#102- Marco Leal (Brazilian UFO researcher) BREAKS DOWN THE BEST SOUTH AMERICAN UFO CASES- Plus Insight on The "Alien Mummies"
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let's explore the unknown together. And with that we're exploring today. Is Marco
Leal, Brazilian UFO researcher, really pivotal pivotal part of the filming of the
movie the documentary James Fox made Moment of contact. Welcome back to Total Disclosure.
Marco it's so good as you. Oh thanks a lot Tyler again to
have me on here. And it is a pleasure to come back to your
very good channel to who we talk about some UFO subject Yeah, the things
that we love, right there's no being better than in my opinion, getting
to sit down and grab a cup of coffee, grab it. You know.
It's it's almost like we're we're sitting together at the table, having dinner,
having having this conversation together. And that's how I like to run the
podcast now, is more like a one on one conversation and I really want
to get your insight on something that I know people in South America. It's
a big topic right now and that is you know, we'll start the show
off of this the Naska mummies, himI Mussan. Now, maybe you can
tell the story to me a little bit better about how it unveiled because it
was at a conference and it was there was people from the Brazilian government there.
Ryan Graves was there, and then Haimi Mussan brought out these mummies,
which we've already seen before like six years ago. I believe they tried to
do the same kind of thing where they presented it. But all of this
is being backed by Gaya. So Gaya is when I started looking at who
put it all together, it's Gaya. So what's your insight on the Nasca
mummies? Are they real? I have a video that we're gonna play,
But can you talk to me about what's going on down in your down in
your world when there's so much happening, like you know, in Peru especially,
we had the Peru on another case in Peru where they you know,
jet packs and the cartels. They said that was the official story or something
like that. So but let's talk about the mummies first. Oh yes,
I heard actually the first time about this movies from like was, like you
said, six to seven years ago, when I had the opportunity to meet
Brian Foster. He was the guy who was investigating this case back in seven
years and he came to Brazil to do a lecture you know, about it
these movies, and I had the opportunity to go to pick up him on
the airport and bring him to the conference and we spoke about it a little
bit. So I remember that time he didn't know for sure if it was
real, you know, he told me that it was like fifty percent could
be real and the other fifty percent could be fake. And he was trying
to get more information and more like more chance to go over and investigate this
case. And then he was telling me that he used to research other kinds
of movies and they had the head you loan, the long heads and a
very big ones, and that was he was telling me that the d n
A of these things was really interested. And we know also that there's a
lot of science science that it is studying. But the movies that we we
saw, like with Jime Mouson, I think I think we need no I
just saw here on the news. And then I had my friend Honey Verney.
He went to Mexico and he participated the congress there. He was there
at that UFO congress. Yes, and Honey Verney, he was in Mexico
City on the congress with Jaime Mauson and other UH authorities there, and he
also spoke a little bit. Actually he had like thirty minutes to speak about
it a little bits our cases here in Brazil, but he only had it
like ten minutes because all the actention was for the movies, right, and
but was actually so there was so much attention on the mummies that he only
got ten minutes to speak, because you know that, I find that to
be crazy. So because what that tells me is that it was unplanned to
the to the people that were the other people that were going to be at
this conference, this UFO conference, they didn't know that this was going to
happen. Yeah, they all were shocked by it too. I mean Ryan
Graves said he didn't know what was going to happen. He left during that
whole thing. So that that's crazy that you say that, because I really
I'm sorry to think now that not a lot of people knew that they were
going to roll those out. Yes, that was a surprise. Uh.
And then also we knew for the Andrea Simondini, she's a very good researcher
here in Argentina country and she was there too to speak about the Argentina cases.
And and also she came a couple of times in Brazil to do a
lecture about her cases. And that's what she said to nobody, Like you
said, nobody knew like all the like what's the news uh for for them?
And Ryan Grady to as you said, And so they didn't have enough
time to present, like their their cases or their knowledge, and I think
actually we need yeah, and I think we need more. He stood an
investigation to prove by design scientific organization, you know that to we like say
that is like one hundred percent real. The moment is it's very interested.
Because I spoke with Brian Foster, He's for sure is more into this,
uh, this kind of subject. But he also said that we need more
investigation, more people to to come and and help. You know, it's
just this and what what do you think, Tyler about it? My opinion
about the mummy? And I think, so my problem here's my because it
doesn't matter what I necessarily think because I I have never seen them touch,
you know, touch them, So what I what I think is different from
what I know. And what I know is that Aimi Moussan has a track
record of cherry picking data. He also has a track record of jumping the
gun a little bit. And I think he is kind of equivalent in my
mind to that of doctor Stephen Greer in the United States. They might have
the best of intentions. They may really want this subject to be disclosed.
They want all the same things that you and I want, but they also
want the money and the lifestyle that they're used to to stay the same.
Yeah, so they do these So these mummies who are presented six years ago,
this isn't new. But but now, but now, himI guy A
TV. And I'm not shaming guy A TV for for funding this, but
there are people that we're supposed to speak about real cases. Now, you
know that you're talking about the people from our that's speaking about the cases in
Argentina, speaking about cases in South America, other cases, real data was
overshadowed by a stunt hold that other that they did not know was happening.
So I think that is that that is very telling in its nature that they
kept this so close to the chest because they knew they're they're capitalizing on,
uh, the reinvigoration of this topic. More and more people are now getting
into it, So why not roll these mummies back out right, try to
see if they can get more people on board with them being and I'm not
saying they're not alien, but what if they're just another human species that we
haven't discovered yet? Yeah, exactly. And I had also I had an
opportunity to meet Jimie Mouse and here in Brazil when he came and he's really
nice guy. He's very good guy. But like you said, I have
the perception too. They need more investigate more things that they share with like
the big audience, because there's some cases they they bring to their show that
wasn't real, you know, because we knew here, Like Virginia was one
of the case. Because they brought a guy like one video that was very
popular here in Brazil that it looks like a guy from the CIA, and
he had information also he had some picture, so they did a really good
movie like video about it. But I was investigating and then I find I
found out with the creator of this video that was a fake, you know,
he was doing like like a fiction yeah, of videos. So and
then they they present it for like like real, for all the big audience.
So I think I needed to care for a little bit more about it,
you know, because IMI has a big show, right, So and
it's it's on television, correct, Yes, it's he's on TV and he's
presenting these things, and a lot of people in South America look to him
as an expert in the field, and they don't they don't know any better.
So I feel bad. It's like and and same thing with like people
here in the United States, a certain researchers, you know, they get
so caught up in one narrative that they that they can't possibly entertain the idea
of anything else. And when you when you when you get like that that
one track mind, I mean, you've essentially you've you've said you're not a
part of youupology anymore. You're a part of a cult exactly. And I
hate to say that, I really do. I hate to say that.
But so let's let's move past this. Let's move past the mummies. I
think it's you know what, we give it a we give it a So
right now we'll say this to be determined, to be determined. And I
know, so one of the things I really did want to talk to you
tonight about is James's new film. James is doing a new movie. Have
you been working with him at all on the new film? And can you
give us any insight or any exclusives into into what's going on? You know,
don't get yourself in trouble, but can you give us any insider knowledge
or insider scoops on when that might be out? What it might what?
What? What is the project? Oh? That's nice. And I actually
I spoke with James yesterday and he's he was editing the movie, the new
movie, and yeah, he's still and and he wants to finish into maybe
second semester to the livery, you know, and he's worked so hard with
it. And the things that I know that I can say is he went
he spent one month in Washington, d C. And he went to the
Congress and like I knew that, he visited some some politicians by the government
who speaks about it. And his hand to me actually a video that was
kind of funny because like all the the politicians, they were like the highest
ones. They were in the elevator and he was trying to like, hey
guys, please can you tell me like something about it like this? And
then this guy nobody was like silence and the dark closet and he didn't have
the answer, you know. But yeah, but also he I knew that
he interviewed, he had on camera six people there in one month. Was
six people in one month in Washington, DC. Yeah, So would you
say that this is going to be more of a follow up to the phenomenon
where it delves into you know, a lot of different cases rather than just
one like like conduct. Yes, I think he's he's putting all the new
new information that came after the phenomenon, like by the the American aphology and
government, and like he folks also and I think Dave the Grush of course
and testimony and all things like that, you know. And I knew that
he was only the guy who went to the NASA conference and uh, yeah,
he's yeah, you got to ask a question. I said, yes,
And he was only the only like you a full reporter of the subject
that was there that I knew. And he had his name on the least
and he has his connections and and he said to me that when he was
there to go, like he was very hard to get inside of really the
interviewed the conference and and he had opportunity to ask a question to Billy Nelson,
the president of the Yeah, and then and then he basically he had
a very like a little time to to to ask questions. But he did
the best. He couldn't, you know, like he couldn't of course,
you know what you literally get one question? Yeah, I remember you you
he I remember he put out the video and it's like there's a line of
people behind him, all that are also going to ask a question. So
you get one question and then they answer and then you go, you know,
so that's gonna be a that's gonna be a cool moment in the movie.
Hopefully they get to use you know that that that footage. And you
know, because James what I really like about his filmmaking and what you know,
when you were a part of Moment of Contact, I really liked that.
You're you guys are are on camera. You're not behind the camera like
most documentary filmmakers. You're on camera. You're you're your boots on the ground
and you're doing the work. You're putting your life on the line. Like
that moment, that moment in Moment of Contest sounds weird. That moment in
Moments of Contact when you guys are at Eric Lopes's house, Like you don't
get that footage from anybody besides James Fox, mm, you know what I
mean? And mark O Leal because like you found you did all the legwork.
Man. People don't realize, like what you did for that movie,
that movie would not be made without you. Yeah. Thanks, Yeah,
And I have the like the James Fox mind, it's incredible, like putting
all together because James, he he was always because since I met him in
twenty eleven and then he he was in the United States, but we always
were talking about the news of Argina and I was keep going and then I
was updating him and he was telling me he was giving me the support,
like and there's some the way how I had it to go. You know,
he was very very important. Uh, these ten years that we were
working together. And also that you said that we were like on camera.
That's funny because I think in the medium, like we shoot the movie like
in three weeks, and uh, you know one week and a half.
I didn't know that I was I was in the movie because I thought that
I was behind and I thought that the camera guy was like filming, but
I thought that it was only James. Oh, you're surprised. That you
were prised. And then I remember because I have my like very simplest behind
this classic yeah, and I was like, oh my god. And then
Jamie said, oh, maybe it's better, Like I said, oh,
maybe I can change the church. The shirt said, yes, you're gonna
you are in the movie. I said, what, No, I am
in the behind the scenes no, we are like filming. Oh oh my
god, all my like very like simple clothes on me on camera, like
I you're wearing the vest, you know, because like you know, you
need a lot of stuff, Like you know, you're you're, you're,
you're trying to do a lot of things at once, and you know there
assist assist in production and you know, you're making phone calls, like there's
the scene of you at the gas station coordinating, like all right, we're
gonna go to this hotel, Like that's all you dude. That again,
people don't realize, like that is essential, Like you need to have someone
like you, like me, Like someone who likes to make movies needs to
have someone like you who who can be there in the minute making it happen,
you know, you know, because a lot of those moments in moment
of contact, they don't happen without you, Marco. And and I really
like stress that because you pulled that out of your ass. So like getting
those witnesses that hadn't been seen in twenty years, you know, like Carlos
de Susa. That was monumental. And speaking of that, any updates on
the case of Virginia, Oh yes, Actually, like we had the perception
that after the movie came out, like some people from the the hospitals,
doctors they came after they I think were more. They had a more I
think I don't know if the words, sorry about my English, but at
the word courage, courage to yeah, they had more of a they were
they were less afraid because the story was out there, so that yeah,
they had more courage to stand up and come forward. Yeah. And then
the things that was very that was very impressive to me was the doctor who
we were speaking about, Like we had the information that this doctor he was
in the regional hospital back to the January of nineteen ninety six and he was
working there. And then when we went to speak with him, and he
already watched the movie the Moment of Contact, and I thought that he was
only to speak about the strange activity at the hospital, like a lot of
people who worked there was telling us. And then he said, oh,
you know, I'm gonna tell you guys, I saw the video of the
creature because my friend doctor and the he said the name of this doctor he
recorded because he had a camera and was very very fast, like like when
they bring the creature to the hospital, was very quickly, like the creature
stayed very little time inside of the area. And then some doctors could see
the creature. And then this other doctor came with a camera and shoot like
some some minutes of this this creature. And then this doctor ita Uventurelli.
He's also neuro sirurgion eurosurgeon, yeah, neurosurgeon, and he operates on the
brain, yes, exactly if he's very like smart, you know. And
and he we got impressive by his testimony because he you know, now I
am seventy I think seventy one years old. And then and then he said
that they had some pressure pressure back to the nineties this and and he never
revealed this, you know, so there was there was pressure from who to
not from actually from from the doctor area, like because like all the doctors
said, how we cannot prove that this is true. And then maybe because
like it's most city people, most of the people doesn't believe. And then
they they were afraid to they're about their career, you know, the reputations
exactly, yes, and then they were more afraid. Didn't part of the
hospital smell like ammonia for like two weeks? Yeah, yeah, And and
oh my God. Yeah, they didn't think that people would believe them,
Like if they came out and said, what imagine what this case would look
like if the hospital came out and said, listen, we those creatures came
here and confirmed it. Yeah, like back then, you know, that
would have corroborated the girl's testimony, which would have made the military look like
even more idiots. Mm hmm right, but okay, so well whatever,
so the so so the doctor came comes forward or the doctors come forward.
So where is this footage? Yeah? And then this is really interesting because
like we had an information by by the investigation that we knew from that's a
doctor's shoot a video. And then like four months before I met I met
the doctor, the doctor, doctor Italu. We had an information, and
then I went to the doctor's house the family because this doctor he died in
twenty eighteen and the footage it is with his family. And then I went
to speak with his wife and the first time, like she was very nice
with me, like she invited me to go inside of her house and we
spoke for thirty minutes. And the only thing she said that her husband saw
the strange activity by the militaries and then only this and she said about the
video, the footage wasn't true, you know, she said, no,
we don't have this, this has never happened. But and then I was
like, oh really, but we have the information by another doctors who told
us that your husband showed the video to them. And then and then that's
what I came here, because they were very close friends of your husband.
And actually she knows, uh the doctor who who were because this doctors who
saw the video, it is a friend of her too, and uh and
then you know, and then like like she was very nice in and I
remember I left the house. I was like, oh my god, she
doesn't have And I remember I called James because we were James was offering like
two hundred thousand dollars, which is a lot of money in Brazil, you
know, like it's like a one minute that's life changing money to someone in
Brazil. But this woman, this woman was also married to a doctor,
so she doesn't seem like she would need the money exactly. That's what I
did, was the deal. And she said and I remember I was telling,
oh, it's like two hundred thousand, like and then she said,
oh, she laughed and she said oh, that's a great money. But
you know, if I if I have the video, of course I will,
I would share with with you guys, but I don't have it.
So so the first time I remember that was four months before I met I
met uh, doctor Italy. And then like when I met doctor Italy,
and when we spoke for the first time, he told us everything that he
knew when he saw and then the name of the doctor who did the the
recording well, and then he said to us the name of the doctor and
was her husband, and then I I and then I said, oh my
god, a doctor, because I went to her house four months ago and
she said she doesn't have and the doctor Italo said, no, they have.
They have. Because like, uh, yeah, can you send me
the testimony of the doctors so I conclude it in the podcast. Yeah,
for sure. We already translated in English his testimony, you know, and
then I'm gonna send to you send uh and for anyone, for anyone who's
listening right now, you know, we're gonna include right now the doctor's testimony,
and anyone watching, we're gonna include the doctor's testimony right now, real
quick, all right, Marco, that was just a placeholder for me to
remember to put it in there, but all right to continue. Yeah,
and then one part I think was very exciting to us, me and my
my partner researcher friend Jean Marcelo John was that he said to us, no,
she have And then I have another friend which is a doctor. He
also saw the video. But I don't know why they are afraid. You
know, maybe we don't know, like, uh, she just doesn't actually
know. Do you think that maybe she just doesn't actually know where it is
and she is going through things behind your your behind the scenes, like trying
to find it. Yes, Actually, then I remember I called James,
Oh, James, you're not gonna believe this doctor right here he saw that
how do you spell doctor? Can you spell that? Yes? I t
a l o oh okay yeah doc. Yeah. And then I remember I
called James at the time and we did a video call with the doctor.
And then and then he convinced the doctor call her and see if she could
like, uh like speak with us again and maybe he could like say,
hey, please can you show them that the footage? You know, like
we all know everybody in the UFO community knows James is one of the most
persuasive people on the planet. If he asked something like chances are you're gonna
do it? Yeah, He's always gonna do it. That's It's funny because
he got a military ax because I knew military acts for a while for many
years and never like he never would go on camera. And then James was
persisting and said, please just one one meet, one meeting, one meeting,
like I want to talk with him. And then we fell lot insisting
like uh we uh military acts. Uh agreed to to speak with us for
like before he goes on camera for sure, of course. And then and
then I remember James was very like he trusted James, you know, that's
why he came on camera, right and was amazing and powerful, powerful ending.
Yeah, like there are so many things that could have went wrong,
like one thing, one thing goes wrong and and he backs out and that's
it, that's it. Yeah, you know it could have been that quick.
Yes, And that's what I James is. That's the his his personality.
He's incredible. Yeah. And then like he convinced the doctor too,
and then I remember the doctor was talking to the lady and then and then
I'm gonna yeah, I think I can say here this and then like he
sent to me an audio of her like because they spoke privately. And then
and then she said, uh, oh you know Marco already came here to
uh. And then he offered two hundred thousand four for the little movie.
She said little movie. And then and then she laughed a little bit and
she said, oh, you know, actually I don't know where this can
be right now, like I don't know where it is like right now.
So she was confirmed that this this video exists, you know, because it
was an audio that she sent to the doctor Italo. And then the doctor
itally showed us just to say, oh see they have the footage, you
know. And then and then also we went back to her house and she
was also she was again very nice, and then we spoke for like and
I remember I did a video call with James, and she was very kind
and she gave us like a hard drive from from her husband because he used
to had a hard drive in his office when he was a doctor, and
of course they had a lot of information by his clients, you know.
But also we knew another story that he showed the video inside of his office
to another doctor. So we thought in our mind maybe it could possibly be
on this drive exactly. And then we had a hard time to fix because
it was broke. And then and then it was broken, Yeah, was
broken the hard drive because it was older, was like back to the nineties,
you know, like and then actually the movie that he did was in
a VHS, you know, but he converted cameras yeah, yeah, and
then he converted to a CD like a media because this doctor, which we
we knew when we spoke with a sorcerer who work with him, because he
doesn't want to appear. He's very afraid to come come forth. But he
said no, he showed me the picture that the video on on his laptop
and and he had a CD on his office and but he just the doctor
just a show to his friend. Because this doctor that we were talking,
Yeah, you gotta go back to the house and start hitting eject on all
the CD things. Yeah. And then the he didn't believe at the case
because he he was making fun of the other doctors and then they say,
hey, tonight you're gonna see something, come over here. And then he
never respected That's what he said to us. And and and then he went
to his at least describe the footage. I'm sure you've asked them to describe
what the footage is. So we don't have it yet. Let's hope one
day that we do get it, and and you know what, it might
be as controversial as the mummies. Who knows, right, but who knows?
Can you describe to me what the footage? And then I know you
have a presentation that we want to bring up and get through about some of
the cases in uh, South America in that area, But can you describe
to me what they've told you about this video? What what happens in the
video? Yeah, he said that was very quick possible. Yes, And
then I remember that he said that it was a creature very like skin and
like with some oil over the body, like with like I was a brown
and the eye like he had a big head with my three three things like
hornet. I don't know, how do you guys see the protrusions protrusion exactly?
Yes? And and then also with the other testimony, yes, but
he said that the creature wasn't a bad like of hospital bad and was there
was a lot of doctors around and but when he saw the eye, and
that's what I was like kind of interested because he said the eye for him
was kind of of green. And we know that everybody said that it was
red, right, but like he said, he doesn't know if it because
of the quality of or or if it was the future of the lens of
Yeah, because okay, and I've long held this theory, Marco, and
I want to present this to you because I think it might solve what you're
about to say. Now, we know that a creature, a being who
has red eyes. Do you know when you take a picture or when you
point a camera at a dog and take a picture, there's their eyes are
like yellow. Yeah, it's that same effect. There's a layer that goes
oh it's a tissue that goes over the eye to protect it and it allows
them to see at night better. Now, these creatures, all the testimony
points to that they were uncomfortable in the sun. Yes, they wanted to
be in the shade. So their eyes being red means that would signal to
me that they're from a world where their star is much older and it's much
dimmer, and maybe their planet gets less sunlight than ours, right, and
that's why they developed this this this eye, this this red dark red eye
that has that signature. You know, like cats and dogs and wolves and
all these animals that have adapted to see in nighttime, bears have it,
you know who it could just be a generational uh trait that they have.
Yes, you explain that. Yeah, that's really really nice perception that you
had. You know, that's yeah, we don't know. And they possibly
swim right, yes, they probably Yeah, because when when these creatures appeared,
uh, we believe that they came from the river we call Green River
that it is a long river. And this is matches with the siding the
crash sightings kind of, you know, because like if you go, if
you swim, like this is like this is only like a simple example,
very simple, like they had this river and then like if you swim,
you're gonna appeared in this area in Virginia, you know, but make a
short you can hop in like a hop in the river and then then jump
right at the spot where you know, then the witnesses start seeing them exactly
happens. But then also the video that maybe you guys already saw the doctor
and then he also he he gave because he had a more time and more
times that he saw the video, not only one time, and he said
the creature was like the head was big and like, uh, very different
and big eyes. So the bull this head would be like a large,
large, you know, elongated circular head exactly and then uh, probably three
times bigger of our head. And uh but at the very thing like the
like a long long fingers, you know. And then like I remember,
I think he said three fingers or three fingers the long because there's two testimony
of the doctors and I don't I don't know, I remember that one didn't
see the hand, you know. But he also said the creature was kind
of white already, you know, more like it wasn't too brown anymore,
was kind of already yet. No, it wasn't that it was alive.
But that's really interesting because I remember we showed him remember the Race and Tilly
movie of Roswell in back to the nineties, the Rosewell footage that was a
fake, yeah, Centill the alien autopsy. Yeah, And then I showed
him, oh, this is what looked like said, no, it's not
the same because we thought that we we thought, oh my god, maybe
he saw the same video and he thinks that it is. Yeah, And
then he said, no, it's actually you know what, that is a
very very thank god you said that, because I didn't even think of that.
So you confirmed that he was not shown the race Antilly alien autopsy.
Yes, in the good and then in the interview you can you can see
that we we sent his message and he answered, oh, that's that's really
nice video, but it is not the video that I saw. And then
he's saying and then but you know in the in the footage, so it
just shows the being laying on the on the table, no person. So
and then there's people around. The people that are around are they doctors or
are they are they suits or is there a mix? No, he said
that was a doctor's because the military was very like it was a lot of
confusion, like running, people was running. And then the militaries I think
they were came. Uh they were in the way of the hospital. So
they had this moment I think by themselves also creature the time. That's what
this is before the military even arrived. So there is this moment of panic
in the I think like the military is bring it to the hospital and something
happened that they may be left and they leave a little like some times like
they lived for a while or some doctors inside I did you maybe maybe small
detail like two or three people they leave there to stand, you know,
guard on the phone and that kind of stuff. But so at one point,
what you're saying is mostly the doctors were the only ones that were observing
this being for at least but let's say ten to fifteen minutes. Yes,
yes, And then the thing that when you guys, you're gonna watch this
interview, the whole interview, like I feel this doctor ita he knows more,
and I think he was there with the creature, and he told us
that he just saw the video. But we in our feeling and the things
that are if you guys gonna watch, maybe maybe you guys gonna have the
perception too that he knows more that he was saying. And then also he
said, uh, the doctor that his friend, the doctor did a procedure
and the aliens had they put in something I don't know how to say in
English, but it's like a valve valve valve, like something that connected his
head. It is some procedure that that doctors they used to do in uh
brain surgery, you know, And so like are you talking about like so
they connect these like nodes, so like these wires that have like a sticky
thing on the end and like they like attached to your head that kind of
yeah, in the creatures and yeah, and then he actually he's also I
remember he said, oh, my friend, that was the doctor. He
was asking me if the procedure that I did was was like okay, because
doctor he was the older doctor. Yeah. I was gonna say, do
you think that he's you know, kind of saying kind of being coy and
saying, oh, my friend, but it's really him. He's just he's
just saying my friend so that you won't know it's really him. And he's
seeing how like you know what I mean, he's playing it, not playing
you, but he's telling the story without compromising himself exactly. That's look like
you know because like in the end of the so, do you have the
whole interview? Yes, I have the whole interview, and then okay,
the whole interview yes, and it is I think thirty two minutes in in
English, but at the point, but like in the end, no,
by the I don't know if we have in English this, but the interview
that we put in our channel in the end of the video, he walks
with us inside of the hospital and he was showing us some part inside of
the hospital. And then when we arrived Yeah, and then when we arrived
to a place like back to the hospital. In the back, we could
see a place that they do autopsies. And then you can hear you can
hear his saying, oh there, right there they did the autopsy. So
how he knew it, like if he wasn't there, you know, Yeah,
and then yes, and then you can see the like signing in the
door. I already filmed, like it's a police scientist, like because like
when we have a crime, some autopsies, like it is a place that
works doctors, and these doctors also works sometimes for the police community. Yeah,
so it's it's a conjuncture between the police department and the medical facility.
So when they do medical autopsies there, Yeah, it's I get it.
So what is it like a special loading doc? Yes, yeah, and
it's very interesting, very interesting. And also we are about to uh to
release other like is another testimony for the It is another worker. He's not
a doctor. He was a worker. He worked for thirty one or thirty
two years inside of the hospital and he was there and he saw this strange
activity and and he say, he said to us on the testimony that like,
uh, these days there they closed an area in the hospital for three
days. And uh he saw when the fireman came with a truck and then
they brought like with them like a gauge. But at this gauge had a
kind of blanket in the top i so he couldn't see what they have inside
of the gauge under and they were like running. Yeah, that's another part
of the story that we don't know, like how but it's like a temperature
gauge or like a pressure gauge. I think like a zoo gauge. It's
more like more you know, like it's not like a good stuff because they
thought. We knew that a lot of like when the fireman's because the firemans
they they did the first first capture at January twentieth on like ninety thirty to
ten o'clock in the morning, and they captured this creature. They put it
in a box and they closed the box like a wood box. And then
we knew that they gave this box to the army truck the sergeant and then
they drove. You don't know where they drove that, and the other creature
that it is a potsy they bring inside of this gauge because this worker that
he gave us the testimony, he said he saw the truck by the fireman's
when they they parked in the hospital was running. They were with the police,
some police officers and fired the part and then they they took this gauge
like zoo. Gauge O a cage, not a gauge. Sorry, gauge
is a cage. Yes, sorry, my English like like uh like when
you would okay, okay, now gauge is sorry, no it's okay my
English. No, no, no, no, no, it's okay.
They probably understood from them from you know, from the job. I just
I was laid on that one. Yeah, and then he said that it
was a blanket on the top and so he they couldn't see. So they
brought like inside of in some area of the hospital that nobody could go inside,
and they closed this area. And then uh he heard not not him,
other friend of him was uh near of the place, and he heard
the sergeant of the police officers say if somebody like uh say something like it's
gonna have trouble or something like that. It's gotten getting through, it's gonna
get in trouble. So this is what's another another testimony that we we have.
Maybe maybe I don't know if you have it already, but maybe I
can get a sneak peek at that wink wink. But we'll talk about that
off here. But I want to bring up your your your slide show here
because I want to make sure that we get to it. So what is
this what are we looking at? Because I want to talk about so I
want to transition a little bit, and I want to transition into you know,
other work that you're you're you're doing, because you don't just work in
the Virginia case. Yes, this was actually another case that we were investigating
in our area. Here is kind of it is a city which is like
thirty to forty minutes away driving we call like Hipperotta Tui, and it is
a remote place with like forests, you know, it's like more countryside.
And then this family they had a they have actually they still have like a
range, really nice range when they come to to enjoy the weekend, you
know. And then this this place a lot of people said they had a
sightings of UFOs. And then when we went there to speak with the family
and we spoke with the family who saw the UFOs and other neighbor and they
were all serious people. And uh, and then I just bring this paper
that you guys are seeing. Actually this is ours. For anyone who's listening,
you know, I would transition to either Rumble or YouTube for this segment
of the show, the final segment of the show. It is a very
visual. We have a PowerPoint that is brought up and Marco is going to
go through it. Oh yeah, and this document actually is our It was
a group of air Force, Brazilian Air Force back in nineteen sixty eight.
They had a group inside of the air Force that they investigated UFOs since nineteen
sixty seven, sixty eight, sixty nine. So this is that you got
very far. Yes, and this is like you can read the bulleting bulleting
that's the document and that they used to put in all the cases to this
air force group that they were investigating of UFOs. Okay, they wrote like
the testimonies and the draws of the testimonies and they put it on this uh,
this document and sent to our DC you know, because they were in
formed our government of this the cases because back to the sixties nineties, we
had a bunch of sightings and a lot of people like witnessed in very area
like a remote cities, small cities around the capital of sam Paulo. So
this is a draw that a witness did when they saw this. This like
huge UFO. So this case is from Sauth Paula. Yes, the case
is are around the Paulice state, not the capital. And what is the
what are you guys dubbing the name of this UFO case? Uh? Actually
this case is like UFO over it tat Oh my god. Yeah, so
uh so what what are they basically did? They did the same as the
researcher do to today. We go interview the people. You know, people
can do the draw for us what they saw and then we have like a
document. So, uh why I am showing this because this has happened.
Uh when the air force was investigating in the same city as the family leaves,
you know that we went and they saw this strange activity. Okay,
I'm gonna I'm gonna hear change next just a moment. I don't know if
you can I don't know if it changed for you, it just changed yep
to now now this is a real picture. This is now what I'm seeing
is a real picture of a of a what seems to be a housing structure,
housing structures next to each other. And then in the in the middle
of the picture is a disc or some sat disc. In the background there
seems to be like a big telephone or maybe maybe like an airplane tower.
Perfect, yes, and uh. And then this picture actually was taken.
So this is two thousands, two thousand and one. And the guy didn't
have a jiji how he had remember they called that camera this this is a
perfect picture. Yeah, well they got this guy. He was about to
go to work and then he was like in the morning, I think nine
in the morning or eight in the morning. And then he came out to
his house and then he saw this UFO that was overing and if he went
there, yeah, I was wover in there like uh. And then he
he had a time to go back to his house inside and he yet the
camera came out and the UFO was over in there there, and then he
could took the picture. You know, so there how long do you think
this ufo was hovering there, he said after he took the picture, maybe
more one minute, one minutes and a half, like disappeared. So I
would say maybe you know, by the time he sees it, but to
the time it's gone maybe six minutes yet five five to six minutes probably,
but because he only noticed it, he only noticed it as he came outside.
Who knows how long it was there before. Yeah, and this picture,
it is in the same city that's happened, this strange activity of like
uffos, you know, and this picture the guy remember that's what he didn't
know like if if he got the picture. So when he revealed you know,
on the oh yeah, because remember people you don't know with those old
Kodak cameras, you don't know if you got the picture to you go get
it developed. There's no there's no there's no digital screen playback. Yeah.
And uh and then this film that we had it, uh we anti too
a specialists and they say that wasn't a fake or you know, there's no
tampering, no nothing, yeah, no nothing. And the guy who was
a police officer, he was very serious guy. I remember, and this
city is like thirty to forty minutes from my city, you know, and
and and we have this activity. But this picture was in two thousand and
one. Yeah, that I happened and then happened in two thousand and one
in sal Paolo State, So I'm gonna call it the sal Polo State UFO.
Yeah, witness, the witness is a police officer. There's no there's
there's no evidence of tampering. And this happened. This is happening in an
area that has already had documented high strangeness going on. Yeah, and then,
uh, what does he say because obviously a picture, you know,
even with our best cameras now we would be able to get a good picture.
Uh, his eyes were probably a better like exactly, his eyes are
better. So how did he describe this craft from his eyesight? He said
that it was very dark and the perception that he had a do you know
when you have a head a cowboy head? Yes, but it was like
do you know when he uh, it was shaped like a cowboy hat.
Yeah, but it was like how do I say when you turn? Turn?
It was inverted? Yeah, inverted exactly, that's the word. Yeah,
it was inverted. And then he said that went over and it was
like it was like like do a little movement, and he said also the
things that I remember he said that it was really interested that he said that
for him was look like if the like the object was in the water,
like you know, like as if it was in the water. Yeah,
it looks like it was and weaving. Yeah. So did he did he
hear anything? Did he low electrical home? Did he hear any noise?
No, he said, because what he said, Oh I don't. I
didn't hear anything, but I don't know if he had a noise because I
was kind of far away from like, you know, it wasn't too far.
But he said he couldn't rehear any noise. But when he's seen,
he's he was he there when it took off, Yes, he was there.
He he already took some pictures. I think this picture was the best
one because the other one was shakeed, you know. And then he he
saw when this flew like very easily. If it took off and like you
know, blasted off or it just upwards. You know that with no discernible
means of propulsion, that's a big deal. And I remember when he saw
like when took off, that's what he said, was wasn't too fast but
it was looked like he was inside of a water like you know. So
but but it took off and no discernible means of propulsion, no fire,
no nothing like that. No, he said, just wan like yeah,
and this was really serious guy, you know, very serious. He has
a lot to lose by coming the police officer. And also he want he
didn't want to he like his his face on camera or anything. He's just
yeah. Actually he didn't give a a interview because he didn't want any camera.
He just he just recorded like audio. Like two thousand and three,
I think we found him like when we knew about him, you know.
And and also so the same city in twenty fifteen, we went back and
I think this light already changed for you, right yep. Change. Yeah.
So this family right here, you can see the couple. So this
couple, we were in their ranch and that's what happened. They were there
with her daughter and then they saw like a strange, strange lights in the
sky. And this is kind of actually this is a video, but I'm
not gonna put in here because it's in Portuguese. They are doing their testimonid
and this is the view video that I'm gonna show you and and then actually
pay attention that the lights in the sky. You're gonna have the perception that
some maybe maybe uh like little balls is gonna come out from the the biggest
light. Let me put in okay, h m hm hm hm okay.
So this thing is, this thing is hovering there. I wish anyone who's
listening needs to be watching this. There's no other way to describe this.
See the other one already came one, and now the second one came out
another light. Yeah, and it's like it's like a it's like you can
see the depth and the shadow of it. Now I'm gonna send you the
Regional ship. No fuck, why did I that's crazy. For anyone listening,
you need to watch this. I'm gonna I'm gonna send you the regional
one. Yes, please, because I would love to overlay it on this.
This is remarkable. Mm hmmmmmmmm. She said, that's what I saw
yesterday over and next to the tree. So now it's just a fading ball.
It's like a ball of light that's kind of fading out, but there
like luxiers like than like turn it off like the light you know that's dan
I mean, yeah, yeah, because I mean that is that I for
a moment I thought that that was a metallic craft. It looks yeah,
it looks like it's a metallic craft with depth at one point. And then
but also it could just be the quality of the video. I'm not sure.
But then now that I'm looking at it again, I can see with
distinct balls of light, like multiple balls of light eventually morphed into one big
ball of light. So it's it's pretty remarkable no matter what way it well
way a go that that that that was insane, insane. Yeah, And
then I remember we went to uh uh the in the area. We knew
that I had like a small airport, so and then we went there and
then we bring this video and we showed like some pilots and see, oh
do you have an explain like explanation I like for for this. And then
this guy's what and I remember one guy, oh my god, what is
this? This is uh? This is what? Uh when happened, they
were very curious about it, and then they didn't know what was So where
where is this taking place? This is in Tattoo City, between Tattoo and
Ipero. It's like, uh, it's kind of small city. It is
in the like a countryside, see, very like small city and and uh
there's a lot of mountains and uh like a jungle, you know. Okay,
and what and that's in what country? In a St. Pauli State?
So again this is sau Paulo State. Yeah, it's like thirty to
forty minutes from from my city here driving. Oh my god, So this
is becoming a hotspot. Yeah, it was a hotspot because what year is
this from? Uh? This is from two thousand and eighty twenty fifteenth.
This uh, this video actually we had two videos. The other one I
didn't find here because it was the older one that are the couple, like
the parents of the lady. They they saw like forty four five UFOs overing
and next time I can, I'm gonna see if I can find here,
then I send to you. But we thought that it was airplane. But
the way that they were overing, like the airplanes like couldn't be airplanes because
they were over in kind of overing, you know, Yeah, they were
it's crazy static and we know airplanes, so they would fall out of the
sky if they did such things. Yeah, that's what I showed. These
things right here, this one because this is back to the sixty in the
same city, so we knew that the Air Force went there to investigate these
strange sightings back to the end of the sixties. And then we had this
another picture in the same city into thousand and one and and then two thousand
and fifteen and two thousand and seventeen with this family right here. Here's your
vest. You that's your you love that vest. Yeah, that was that
the whole Yeah, okay, yeah, that's that's remarkable. That's it.
Like, so those are two cases that happened in the same area, yeah,
fourteen years apart. Actually there's more more cases. Just put it the
some examples here of it, you know, right, So this area would
you consider it a hot spot for UFOs? Yeah? This other place right
here, just the last one to I show you is a bit wibi.
It is like a beach place. You know, it's a very Actually this
city that I met James Fox, You're gonna bring me there, right because
that looks beautiful. Yeah, And and these places is unbelievable there, like
the hot spot. There's so many stories in the city, you know of
Peruiby and uh, there's like there's a bunch of cases. And then we
were investigated a really strange case in two thousand and eight when when like in
a in a neighborhood that we call by San Jose, like a neighborhood.
It's like also it's like a remote neighborhood in Peruiby, Like there's some people
saw some strange lights and and and the lights of the houses came out,
like turn it off all the lights. So when this craft went by,
all the lights and in their house and and and that stuff went out,
Yeah, when out, Oh shit. And then like the dogs and the
animals around like this neighborhood was like bite, like they were doing stranger noises
like howling and maybe crying. So this this UFO was hovering this neighborhood.
And then and then these dogs was like crying and doing some noises. And
and then I remember that we interviewed one person which lived in the neighborhood and
he said he thought that somebody was like robing his car, like was like
steal in his car. And he came out. This was around twelve thirty
at night, you know, and it was like midnight, like twelve thirty.
And then when he came out to see his car if it was okay.
He saw this light in the same street of his house, and and
the light went out very fast, and then he said to us, he
was like, oh, I remember that night. I drink a little bit,
and I didn't know if I was kind of drunk because I saw that
that thing. And then I went I went back to my house and I
slept, you know, like and then I went to sleeping. And then
the next day, like I I went outside and then I saw because they
had a field with like a big plant, like two meters and a half
of big plants. And then I'm gonna show yeah, so can you see
the house right here, like back to the so this house right here,
the lady she said that she saw like a strange light come reflecting in her
window. And because her rooms was in the first floor, so you could
see. She said that she could see the lights was reflecting in his in
her room, but she was afraid and she didn't open the window. And
then this UFO like left took took it off very fast. And then the
next day they they found they found out that the feud was let me show
you here. Remember when you change remember yep, I can hear you?
Oh no, so so there was there was there was crop circles. Yes,
looked like a crop circle, but we knew, uh like that this
UFO he came like sound and then maybe he uh he how do I see
he scan you know, he's scanned something right there, and then he flew
out again and then he left. This was so the UFO leaves this.
Guys. You gotta see this. I mean, this is it doesn't look
like a crop circle like you normally see, but it looks like something like
like like flew down and I don't even know how to describe it, just
basically flattened a portion of land. Uh and then maybe he took back off
or you know, like I said, like or like Marco said, was
scanning it and the process of scanning it flattened it like that. Did anyone
do any tests? Uh? He has. Actually when we arrived there,
we were uh talking with the locals area and then they said that they they
saw these strange lights. Sorry, did you take this picture? Yes?
We did, and I was here too with my partner. Wow, that
is so much bigger than I thought it was. Yeah, this is very
big, and yeah it was a big feud. Uh and uh, this
ship and we had the Geiger, but we no no radiation nothing, you
know, because we we did the the Geiger at the place. But what
we found really strange was the some plants they had. This. Can you
see that's what's burned. Yeah. So they're like severely burned at the tips.
So my friend here, he's a teacher, he's a biology teacher,
and he brought this these plants to his another teacher and then they said this
was a burn by a hundred one hundred. I don't know how to explain,
like that was burned with something that was very hot, that was so
hot that yeah, it was you know, it's it doesn't even make sense.
And then uh, so this is what's really weird because we had these
look like charred. The top one especially, you can see like the layering
of the of the the degree that it took the heat, the way it
shriveled up. And then the next one, I mean the next one right
on the top, it's just black. Yeah, and the other ones wasn't
like that's just some some plants. You know. This is another picture of
the Yeah, that's because when you guys are standing in it, oh,
my god, like it made it so much like that is a big,
big, big area of land that is flapped. Yes, and and then
so we started to research like in this area. And I remember like two
to three days later because there's a local newspaper and the local newspaper receive a
picture from a local that leave it. Yeah. And then and then so
the so does newspaper. They receive a picture from another guy that leave it
in a near to this area. And then he took the other picture right
here off something that was over the sky, you know. And then this
was in the same night. Actually, So I like how there's so you
have the original, then you have in an alpha mode. So what people
don't know is that you can put a picture into something like an editing software,
and then you can do this mode where you go into alpha mode where
it takes it basically just shows you the shape you have that plus another I
don't know what that is. What is that third? The gray one?
Yeah, the gray one is another future that we put it. Like you
said, it's like some some app like program that we use to see what
may maybe we can see behind the light, you know. Yeah, So
that's that's often what you're looking for in these alpha modeses or these these these
frames, is is what's beyond the light? And in the bottom picture,
I mean it looks that it looks like your typical flying saucer, but it
looks like a ball of light in the camera. So Marco, thank you
for showing us that evidence like so that there's so much evidence for for that.
That was That was amazing. That was really cool. Insight into some
of the cases that you've been looking into in your area. And uh,
some updates on the virgin your case and what James is doing, uh with
this new film. What you're being you know, what you're involved in.
You know you're you've been doing the You've been traveling a lot yourself. What
do you have in the works going on? Yes? Here now we are
working. We're still working on Virginia case. We went there I think two
months ago to to investigate more information. We know that more people know about
it, but actually I am studying and I am searching about Colaris that we
call Opera San Prato that have it is once I think the biggest case in
Brazil. Operation at Operation Plant though right, yes, Operation Plate. Yeah,
I would love for you to come back with the presentation on that case,
for sure, I will. And there's some other cases too. You
know, there's a bunch of cases that we were investigating, but most of
it we had a like explanation for it. Is not like you were full,
but there's explanation. Yeah, there's a small percent of the cases that
we can we we don't we don't have an explanation, you know. Yeah,
and I think that's that's but but that's normal. That's that's typical for
uh eupology. Right, So you have you know, you're you have one
hundred percent of cases. Ninety seven percent are prosaic, three percent are interesting,
but one percent are worth going deeper into. So I you know,
that's just the way it is. And dude, you you just you you
kill it with your research and and uh you do a lot of talks,
a lot of lectures, a lot of conferences. Are you appearing at anything
coming up? Yes, we are. We are having another project about another
documentary that we're gonna show some cases. Uh. Like of course we had
an influence influence of the influencer of James Fox because uh, it was a
school for us, you know, yeah, and then and then now we
wanna, we wanna recording these cases with the witness to show the people that
there's many more things that is going on and a lot of people doesn't know.
And maybe when the biggie media covered this case always they they make fun
of it and they of course they never go into the cases. You know,
and this is why do you think that is when the United States is
having congressional hearings and all that, why is your country still not taking this
seriously? Do you think it's because of cases like Virginia Operation Plate Thou And
you know, because because a lot of people know that or think that,
you know, people in UFO community think that down in South America, Brazil
like that. You guys are very open that your military is very open,
but you don't see it that way. Yes, Actually, like our media
right now, like scenes maybe the fifteen years, they make more fun of
the subjects. There's some channels which you respect and they going through to some
cases, but at the most of it they make up fun. And then
actually we had a look by our militaries because like we had to release it
around eleven to twelve thousand pages of secret documents that we had a like in
the organization of the government that are about UFO. So we did, like
we had like a small organization that ask for the government to release some documents
that we know that they have. We got it already around to eleven to
two thousand pages of it, and then every Brazilian on everyone can go to
the National Library in our DC and then looking for in the library and then
they're gonna bring to you to you take a look. So there's so many
cases, so many reports by the pilots, air force pilots, civil pilots.
You know, yeah, it's really interested. But I don't know why
they still make fun of it, you know. Uh, And I know
that, yeah, I know, I because they're they're told to. Yeah,
you know, like what do you think about all the David Rush stuff
exactly? We know, like what with with all the credibility that we have
going on in in in DFO whistle blower stuff right now, Like it's only
a matter of time, Marco, It's only a matter of time till this
till the last last domino falls and disclosure happens. And you know, your
partner is huge, so uh, I always want to say thank you for
being on the show. And we always look forward to having you back on
and you know, give James our best and you know, tell him that
we would love to have him on the show as soon as possible. Yes,
for sure, he he wants to come, and he's gonna be available
I think the next month or and then for sure he's gonna come on on
your show. And I want to thank you for the opportunity again in your
audience. Uh, and I want to say I'm sorry by my English.
I'm learning and you know they're more mad at me all the time. No,
yea, yeah, they stay mad at me. But thanks a lot
to you guys. Yeah, Marco, you have your own channel. Uh,
you have your own Instagram, So I'll include all your links in the
description below. But on Twitter, Twitter or X I can't get I can't
call it X. I don't know why Twitter, you're at Marco leal u
aps or Marc o leal u a P. And then on Instagram, Uh,
you have what is it? Uh at what does it say? Yeah
at Leo Marco? Okay? Well yeah, that all those of me in
the description below for everybody, and uh, thank you everyone who watched and
tuned in, who tuned in, Uh, whether you're watching or listening.
It was an amazing conversation. Thank you so much, Marco. You are
truly a great researcher and a great asset to the field of viefology. And
you know, we we we we look forward to keep exploring the unknown.
Uh together and you know, together, together we we we will get this
done and get disclosure. You know, uh, we're gonna run the ball
into the end zone together. Yes, thanks a lot, and congratulations for
your your work too on the UFO subject. Yesterday I watched it. Your
your video was amazing. Thanks, thank you, and we are waiting for
your the next news from your researcher too. Yeah, he's the insider.
Is going to be shutting in a lot of a lot of information coming very
very very very soon. And it's uh, some of the stuff that I've
been shown is is is just downright scary stuff. So you know, I
I I can't wait to show you and uh you'll be the first to see
it. So thank you so much, Marco. Oh, thank you,
and I want to call you now to come to my channel to to you,
yeah, speak a little bit about it, your research and the UFOs
in the US. That is amazing. You know, yeah, I would
absolutely love to do that. Let's set that up. Yeah, all right,
so stick around after the credits roll and we'll talk for like two seconds
before we get to go. Uh. And then to everyone who listened,
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