"A DEEP STATE PSYOP" ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE, UFOs and TIME TRAVEL (Ft. Alan Berman)

0:16 Speaker 1: Thank you.

1:30 Speaker 2: All right, everybody, welcome back to Total Disclosure. It is so good to be home, back from Austin, Texas, where we just covered SideQuest, which was originally AustinQuest. Um, but the original, well, you know what? I won't spoil it. Um, we're doing a documentary about what happened. So, um, that will be coming out, uh, shortly. I got to talk to so many amazing people, including, um, Dan Richards, Hugh Newman, David Childress, uh, Billy Carson, bunch of people, uh, as well, you know, got to meet them in person.

2:11 Speaker 2: Uh, this is also more on the ancient civilization side. Um, So I was there to bridge the gap and it was really fun to do it. With that being said, we're back here tonight live with Alan Berman, who is the creator of the Psychohistory Prediction Engine, an open source map connecting the people, money, and machinery that run things. The site itself is self-funded with no backers from institutions, meaning it's free for public use. I like a good open source tool. For the rest of his bio, we'll let him tell us.

2:51 Speaker 2: So with that being said, let's welcome our guest tonight, Mr. Alan Berman. How are you doing, friend?

3:07 Speaker 1: I'm good, Tyler. Thank you for having me. It's a pleasure to be here.

3:10 Speaker 2: Super happy, man. Super, super. I had to delay on you, man. That was giving me anxiety. Also, I feel like since I've been back from Austin, even though it's only an hour difference, my sleep schedule is all messed up because of the hours we were doing. So I've been feeling kind of weird. And over this last week, dude, I had some crazy fucking dreams.

3:38 Speaker 1: There's nothing better. That's a good lucid dreaming, especially if you remember it. I, uh, not remember mine.

3:47 Speaker 2: Um, so for anyone who maybe doesn't know, uh, you know, who you are, what you do, um, let's maybe like, like start off with a little icebreaker. Um, you know, who are you? How'd you get to the community? And, um, yeah, we'll, we'll kind of go from there.

4:05 Speaker 1: Well, I would expect that most of your audience wouldn't know who I am. I'm sure most of the people are hearing that and saying, who the hell is this guy? For starters, you gave me a nice little introduction before and explained the site pretty well. The one thing that I do want to point out that not only is there no funding to this, but it is just me. There's no one else. It is just me who made the site. I made the videos. I wrote the articles that are on the site. Everything is basically from my brain, my creation.

4:34 Speaker 1: And the reason why I built the site is because like a lot of your audience and like most of us, we go down rabbit holes, right? That's just human nature. We're trying to figure out the why of things, why we exist, what's in the sky, what's around us. We understand very little as humans. So I created this site to pull us out of those rabbit holes and show sometimes that these rabbit holes are being funded by people that want you in them. And there's a lot of reasons why that's the case, which I'm sure we'll get into.

5:06 Speaker 2: I have myself muted. So, and that's why, honestly, I thought this was such a like timely conversation because, um, a few things have started to come out about, and, and I don't like to play that whole, like, um, I don't like to get involved with like the drama drama. I don't like to get involved with it per se, like on a professional level, but what you're talking about is a are those same folks that want you down the rabbit hole, at least their version of the rabbit hole, their narratives. They want to keep us in the dark, you know, pit us against each other.

5:50 Speaker 2: And, you know, all while they continuously trade access for their soul, you know.

5:59 Speaker 1: There's an entire ecosystem that's supported by that. And We all contribute to it by giving it our attention. Currency, right? Our money or whatever you want to call currency. I don't view that as the real currency. Your attention is currency. Consciousness is the real currency because that's what allows you to contribute the rest of this resources, everything else. So I think just very simply, there are a lot of people that don't even necessarily know that they're contributing to this ecosystem.

6:29 Speaker 1: They just view it as a way to get to the top. But if you start looking past the actual people who are speaking and past the events, and you start looking at the infrastructure that lies underneath it all, it all kind of leads back to the same place.

6:42 Speaker 2: Agreed. And where is that place? Where is it leading back to? Where are you finding that it leads back to?

6:54 Speaker 1: Well, it's an amalgamation of the military-industrial complex mixed with corporation, mixed with church, mixed with state, It is the exact thing that Eisenhower warned us about in 61 during his farewell address about the fungus growing on the American public and people. And you look at the shape of our world right now and your business disclosure, right? UFOs, you look at who's making money off of that. You look at someone like Robert Bigelow and his whole fortune was made off of tourists. It was made off of accommodating tourists.

7:28 Speaker 1: And what's better for tourism than a never-ending business that has a question that has no answer, right? It could have never-ending speculation about what's going on. So you just look at Skinwalker Ranch, for example, and you look at how that was sold to the History Channel, who's now selling these never-ending questions, which their entire platform and business model has been completely one-off and revamped since I was a kid, and they actually aired history. You look at it now and it's insane.

7:57 Speaker 1: So we can just start here. That's a perfect place to begin.

8:01 Speaker 2: Yeah. And listen, by all means, you know, okay. I have friends on Skinwalker Ranch, but this is a very interesting,

8:16 Speaker 2: this is something I've also talked about that Skinwalker Ranch, Bradshaw Ranch, like why was Bigelow so interested in them? And then you look at who was actually involved and you got guys like Hal Puthoff, you know, from SRI. You have Dr. Eric Davis, who, you know, I know everybody thinks the guy is on our side, but something about him just doesn't. I don't trust him. I don't know what it is about him, but I just don't trust him. And Then guys like Dr. John Alexander, the literal father of non-lethal weaponry.

8:58 Speaker 2: And then you have people experiencing things at these same places. So are they actual paranormal hotspots? Or were they experiment grounds for advanced lasers and you know, whether it's recovered technology that was reverse engineered from a non-human intelligence, that part, kind of irrelevant. If what they were doing at places like Skinwalker Ranch and these other very remote areas, which may have an inherent,

9:35 Speaker 2: you know, local, like, something to tap into. Like, maybe that's why they picked it in the first place. Maybe, you know, it does have some element to it that, you know, reality becomes thin or the veil becomes thin, but I'm not so sure that they weren't experimenting on something and something really, really dirty.

9:59 Speaker 3: Yeah.

10:00 Speaker 1: Well, I want to bring up Hal Pudoff's comments about amnesty. Are you familiar with how many times he's brought up amnesty and what would be needed in order for actual disclosure to happen? And I bring up those comments simply because You talk about all the bad things that they're doing. I mean, one of the titles to my documentary is Eugenics, Not Aliens. And it's titled that for a reason. So we can kind of go through what some of my thoughts are on some of the aliens that were these four different types of aliens that we're being told exist.

10:32 Speaker 1: What I kind of believe is more so the case. And we can go through the last hundred years of eugenics and see exactly how there is a pipeline. from the twain experiments the nazis were doing and the other stuff that they were doing the experiments on humans and and trying to enter the space race and how that tracks all the way up to today and the tech boom that we have and the exact amalgamation of corporation and state and all these billionaires and all this stuff that i was talking about before so when you just walk me through walk a ranch alone you can ask two questions who's making money off it number one and i'm not here to dismiss phenomena i don't i don't know with a lot of things right like i'm Some idiot sitting in a boxing ring in his basement talking to you because you're nice enough to have me on your show.

11:14 Speaker 1: But again, like who's making money off of this? And the second thing is how many people are making not just money off of this at the top, but making a long term living or making some type of. Listen, people like being famous, people like people knowing who they are and being part of a community. Not everyone is similar to the way that I am, where I kind of like hide in the woods in my house and don't really leave. I like being alone and by myself. And I'm only doing this because I like when I say this, I mean, interviews and creating all the things that I did, because there is so much of the other stuff going on that it would be nice if there were a few voices that aren't making money off of this and have no really just goal other than trying to get people to critically think about the information that they're getting and to essentially question what they're hearing, who they're hearing it from and why they're hearing.

12:07 Speaker 1: And that includes me. Go dig deep. I've said this on multiple shows. If anyone in the audience wants to dox me privately without airing all my stuff to see who I am and go ahead, go see what benefit I would have from doing what I'm doing personally, as opposed to all of the people that I'm talking about here and what I'm telling you to question. And I think that's a good start.

12:28 Speaker 2: And honestly, you know, this is something that we've kind of drilled down on, on this show is the monetization of the pursuit of truth. Um, you know, reality should not be something that can be classified, nor, nor should it be behind a paywall, like period and stop. That's it.

12:52 Speaker 1: Your lips, the God's ears, man. I, uh, couldn't agree more.

12:56 Speaker 2: And it really does make me sick. And honestly, it's like, um, I had a recent bump in the road where, are you familiar with Chris Bledsoe? I'll take that as a yes.

13:13 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I'm thinking about how much money I'm going to donate to the Bledsoe Foundation. As you were saying that I was just pouring through the thousands of dollars I've been saving up for Chris Bledsoe to go build his house. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to cut you off.

13:27 Speaker 2: You want to be a founding angel?

13:29 Speaker 1: Of course. Who doesn't? That's the real question. Who doesn't want to be a founding angel?

13:37 Speaker 2: Again, not shitting on Chris personally. I guess it's going to be hard to not sound like I am. I actually think Chris is a fine human being. I've met him in person several times. He's a humble man. But

13:57 Speaker 2: He's also being flown to these conventions, private. He's getting put up. He's leaving with a fat check at the end from conventions like Contact in the Desert. Like, let's not fucking pretend that this guy, his whole thing was that he used to be rich and then he fucking wasn't because of the housing boom, like the housing bubble burst. And then he comes up with this, you know, Um, he has this sighting, which I, I believe did happen, but everything thereafter with the lady, the prophecies, the dates, all of that.

14:39 Speaker 2: And I've told him this to his face that you should never, like, I don't think putting a date on anything like ever is a good thing because like, it's just going to hurt your reputation if it's not something that someone can hold tangibly. And, Um, that's what happened. And I said something about it. And then everyone who's a blood cell supporter attacked me, including one of the guests that I was about to have on that week, Bob McGuire and Bob in the, in recent weeks seems to have lost his marbles.

15:16 Speaker 2: Um, I, I don't know what's going on with them, but he's not the same Bob that I knew a couple of years ago. I mean, now he's talking about like the Knights Templar and, you know, like how he's on a crusade. It's just like, whoa, whoa, where did we turn?

15:34 Speaker 1: The want to believe is a lot stronger sometimes than the ability to critically think. Exactly. And that is one of the main reasons, again, why I wanted to do your show, because I do think that it is important to critically think and look past what people are saying. And as just referencing Chris Bledsoe here again, Maybe he believes it. There are a lot of useful idiots in the world. And there are a lot of people who help shape narratives that they're not necessarily knowing that they're doing. And I just want to reference Jordan Crowder.

16:06 Speaker 1: Are you familiar with Jordan Crowder?

16:07 Speaker 2: Very. Yeah, very.

16:08 Speaker 1: So Jordan Crowder said during one of his episodes, it was about manifestation, that he was going to manifest making a million dollars this year.

16:17 Speaker 2: So.

16:18 Speaker 1: you have the same people from the Monroe Institute and Bledsoe and all of these guys, that's their mindset at the same time as they're telling you all of this stuff that they're sure of about consciousness and about all of the things that Robert Monroe did without really diving into the fact that it was all CIA based. Like at what point are we going to look past what people are saying and simply look at the evidence that surrounds all of the things that they're talking about? Right.

16:46 Speaker 2: Yeah.

16:47 Speaker 1: So I just, Again, the Bledsoe thing makes me laugh. It's like, how much money are you going to go pour into this guy for him to tell you a bunch of things with no actual substance or evidence? And you have 60-something years of UFO disclosure leaks or whatever it is that you want to call this since Roswell in 47. It's been more than 60 years. But what evidence do we have? What substance do we have of anything?

17:13 Speaker 2: At this point, a lot of the evidence seems to be stories, right? Like there's, there are, of course, uh, you know, people who claim to have pieces of things or, you know, like Jacques Vallée and Gary Nolan. Um, but nothing that could be, nothing that could be put or stood up in a, in a congressional hearing and sway people 100%, right? Like this is undeniable evidence, uh, other than certain, you know, reliable people telling stories of their encounters. There is no physical evidence at this point.

17:57 Speaker 1: It's a business of trust me, bros. That's never ended and can continue to raise money, endless amounts of money on trust me, bro. Trust me, bro. Trust me, bro. Without presenting any evidence. And when you start getting sick of somebody, they shop in a new guy. Like Jay Stratton is the new guy. All of a sudden it's like, did we get disclosure? Now that Jay's book is a bestseller. Or did Jay just make a shitload of money at what point? Like how many times do these things have to keep cycling over and over again?

18:25 Speaker 1: It's more Boris of bullshit. Yeah, it really is.

18:28 Speaker 2: That's actually a really good point. Um, it's like, and, and, you know, I liken it to, um, like sports franchises, right? It's like, there's always going to like, there's always new people coming in and getting turned out. Um, but the stories are staying like, even when you go up to guys, like even when you rank it up to like guys like David crush, he just went on Rogan and essentially told story after story, after story of evidence that if you've been in the UFO community longer than a month and a half, chances are you've heard part of that story or the reptile, you know, you've heard some variation of almost everything he talks about in that episode of on Joe Rogan, but because it's David Grush and he gave a presidential briefing, people hold his, you know, him to a higher standard.

19:26 Speaker 2: And yeah, I get that like a hundred percent. Credibility is something you, you know, that you, you have and you earn you and you continuously earn. Right.

19:39 Speaker 1: Who's choosing that. A lot of us are just giving people these, these we're, we're, considering them credible based on the fact that they're a part of the same government who's been PSYOPing the shit out of us with this stuff since day one. Like, what are we doing? And just to add to your point real quick about Crush and about all of these other whistleblowers. So I kind of highlighted before, excuse me, I hinted before about the hundred years of UFO, the pipeline of eugenics to today's tech boom and how that's basically explains disclosure, right?

20:13 Speaker 1: So I'm some idiot sitting in his basement with horrible lighting. And I was able to dig up documents that can be researched and pulled by anybody about tardigrade going into the cells and how that helps with radiation. I was able to dig up a ton of research on exactly what would happen to a human if they entered space for a long time, their limbs, their eyes, And now everything essentially resembles a gray alien.

20:39 Speaker 3: Right.

20:39 Speaker 1: I was able to dig up a ton of information on the Levensborn program and how all of these Nordic aliens have been talked about since the 50s by people who all believe in theosophy and Blavatsky and these Aryan race stuff. What is that? So it all links back to a certain point.

20:55 Speaker 2: Right.

20:55 Speaker 1: So I don't understand why none of Disclosure has any of this information. But that exact pipeline right there basically explains everything. two of the biggest aliens in terms of disclosure, right? That's what Spielberg's whole movie was about.

21:08 Speaker 2: Can you break that down? You said a couple of things.

21:13 Speaker 2: You said a couple of words I didn't know. So can you run that back and walk me through it like I'm a child? Okay.

21:22 Speaker 1: So I think the best way, by the way, for anybody to research and look at any of this stuff is simply to just go to mokechups.com. and type in gray aliens, and it will show you the exact pipeline of what I'm talking about. But to kind of go in further, tardigrade is, I think, I don't know if it's like a live.

21:43 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an organism.

21:45 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's an organism, and it can go into the cells. And what happens is when it goes into the cells, it allows for human beings to withstand radiation for longer periods of time. But unfortunately for the human beings who get the tardigrade shot into them, their brain goes to mush. And if you kind of mix in what the tardigrade does in terms of allowing the radiation, you mix in that and you mix in a technology like Neuralink, and you can kind of see how people start talking about gray aliens looking humanoid and the fact that they're very robotic.

22:17 Speaker 1: You can start tying things together. And that sounds okay. Like, I'm a little skeptical of this. This guy kind of knows what he's talking about.

22:24 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, wait. But how are we making the jump from tardigrades– and being inserted into people to the grays. How are we going from one to the other?

22:36 Speaker 1: Again, if you look at if a human is in space for a long time and they're not having contact with the sun, their skin is going.

22:43 Speaker 2: Oh, OK.

22:44 Speaker 1: OK. Yeah. You start looking at what would happen to a human being over the course of time in space. And you're essentially getting gray. And the only people that are talking about stuff like this essentially are people like George Johnny. And they're still doing it in a way that's full of psyops. It's Giorgiani is like Michael Aquino's bastard love child. So I, I, I, you know what I mean? Like there's a lot of truths and lies at the same time as he speaks.

23:10 Speaker 2: I'm, I'm going to be honest with you flat out. Cause I, that's who I am. I want to interview Giorgiani. I'm already talking to him. I, I, I hear what you're saying. And again, ask him.

23:25 Speaker 1: About the keynote. I, again, I'm not saying anything. I'd love to talk to George Johnny too, and ask him about everything that I'm saying.

23:31 Speaker 2: Heard, heard. I just want it to be like upfront about that. Cause I think we're live on X right now. So if he sees this, like.

23:38 Speaker 1: Again, yeah, he knows who's saying it. He knows who I am.

23:42 Speaker 2: So continue.

23:45 Speaker 3: I'm sorry.

23:46 Speaker 1: So again, you look at the gray aliens and you look at, what that would be. You have, essentially, you have the eugenics program that created that.

23:54 Speaker 3: Right?

23:55 Speaker 1: You look at Nordic aliens. Do you know anything about the Levensborn program and about, basically, the Nazis trying to create the super being, the Übermensch?

24:04 Speaker 2: I do, but for the audience, do you mind laying it out?

24:08 Speaker 1: Yeah. So, basically, they were taking babies from Poland and Norway and all these other different places and they were placing them with German families along with like eugenics breeding, trying to create the perfect blonde haired, blue eyed child. And there was a film named Boys in Brazil that kind of like did a fantastical version of this. It's pretty good. It's from the 70s, if you don't mind old movies. And that kind of outlines what essentially is being sold as Nordic aliens. And if you look at what Nordic aliens are, the history of that starts with Theosophy and Helena Blavatsky.

24:49 Speaker 1: and how that kind of morphed and branched into two sides, what the Nazis were doing, essentially, and what we did in America. I went through it in my eugenics documentary, and I'm going to butcher a lot of these facts, again, which is why I created the engine. So that way people can go and research everything I'm saying. But there was a company in the 50s called Valor something that essentially started pushing this blonde-haired, blue-eyed Nordic being from Venus. And Val Thor, I believe, was another case of something like this.

25:22 Speaker 1: And you're basically just looking at Nazi eugenics. And Giorgiani has really gone through and outlined a lot of this stuff brilliantly. But he also does it in a way that it's still disguised in time travel and hides all of the things that happened right out in the public. He talks about breakaway programs, but yet we have trillions of dollars disappearing from the United States budget all the time. You have companies like Lockheed Martin and Raytheon and all these companies that are developing craft and we're being sold it as UFOs.

25:54 Speaker 1: And they're not releasing the technology because it's hidden behind corporation and privacy because they're private companies. And you're getting the exact thing that I'm talking about before, where you have these corporations, you have people like Musk and Thiel and Bill Gates and involved with not just technology, but health care and all these different fields. And you're looking at a military industrial complex that's selling a psyops. And my belief is that aliens are one of them. And that doesn't mean that aliens don't exist or that there's a whole world outside of the world that we understand.

26:24 Speaker 1: It just means the one that we're being sold by our government is absolute horse shit. And there's a reason it's absolute horse shit, because it creates power structures that allow us to think that it's anything but other humans screwing us over. And I think once humans realize that other humans are behind the wheel and that we outnumber them a thousand to one, I think the gigs up. So you got to disguise it and that aliens are real or that artificial intelligence is going to be our new super God and all of this horseshit.

26:53 Speaker 1: It's no different than the religions of the past. You don't.

26:57 Speaker 2: So you don't think that that artificial intelligence is dangerous.

27:03 Speaker 1: I do think it's dangerous, but I think the programming of the artificial intelligence and who's essentially, again, code itself isn't dangerous. Who programmed the code and what was their intention behind programming the code? And my concern with artificial intelligence is more so about who owns the grid. It's about who owns the electricity and the power, because once you see our, and again, this is me going, throwing a curveball here to your audience, but once my belief is that our economy is going to crash and that our paper currency is going to turn into a digital currency.

27:36 Speaker 1: And once that happens, you're looking at really the importance of the grid being 10 times what it is now. And if you look at the wars that are happening, you're looking at wars over resources. And a lot of those resources power the grid.

27:51 Speaker 2: Yes. It's always been, we've always fought over resource, whether it's,

27:59 Speaker 2: you know, oil, you know, whether it's, um, uh, I mean, if you want to call control over population, uh, a resource, uh, or, or something else, you know, like religious beliefs, uh, it's always for something that is like, uh, a very, very, like, if you step back away from it, you're like, what are we doing? Like millions of lives lost for what, for what reason? It's so primitive. Um, And here we are right on the brink of another. And it's like, and so, you know, it reminds me again, like you said, of the community, the UFO community.

28:40 Speaker 2: It's like, it's like a political race. Like you get all these promises from these people. You start a little hope, right? You get a little hope inside you for change, real change. And then the rug is pulled out from under you and you get the same old bullshit.

28:57 Speaker 1: And you get the next guy.

29:00 Speaker 2: Yeah.

29:00 Speaker 1: They throw in the next guy. And again, if you look at the money behind it, you look at someone like Greer with Rockefeller money, or you look at the ties that a lot of the people in the UFO community have to Peter feel from, from Jesse Michaels to, to what's her name? Pasulka. And like, I mean, come on, what are we doing here? Everybody's tied to a billionaire at some point. Also, if you don't mind, I'll just, I'm going to create some light in here real quick. So I'm not so dark.

29:22 Speaker 2: I mean, yeah. Even Joe Rogan and, and, and guys like Duncan Trestle. Who I never thought would sway that way, have essentially, you know, I don't know if you want to call it converted. but they've switched their tune and gear on Peter Thiel. And it's like, I just couldn't even believe it. I can't believe it sometimes that they're not seeing what they saw simply three, four years ago. And it's, and it does remind you, it's like, it's like this, the idea of the walled garden, like the UFO community is no different.

30:07 Speaker 2: It's a walled garden that if you're on the outside looking in, you want to be a part of desperately. And what will you give to be a part of that club? Most people will, will give up. They'll give up most of what they have for it.

30:23 Speaker 1: It's funny. I wrote a piece about, That walled garden. And that's part of the documentary that I just released. If you want to call it a documentary, whatever these videos are, I don't know what else to call them, but they're like an hour and a half long and they're documentary ish style. So in the documentary, I guess calling it that again, stop feeding the grifters. I went through how the walled garden, essentially there are these mini walled gardens like the UFO community or Joe Rogan's comedy club community, but the real walled garden is, the wall between humanity, between the American public and between the military industrial complex and all the things they create.

31:01 Speaker 1: And if you look at Peter Thiel, for example, I think he's a great person to look at because you look at all the ties that he has to not just the UFO community, but he's tied to pharmaceuticals, which he's now, uh, promoting psychedelics. He used Rogan to get psychedelics passed through Trump, that whole thing. Are you familiar? Trump was in the White House, or excuse me, uh, Rogan was in the White House in, uh, April, I believe, where they were signing the... Yeah, it was a Thiel company. Thiel owned 7% or 8% of the company that got fast-tracked.

31:30 Speaker 1: Really? He was one of three companies. So you start looking into these things. You start looking past what people are saying. You start looking and following the money of all of this stuff. And I get, I know I sound like Charlie Kelly in the mailroom episode of It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia. But everything tracks, man. All the money's there. And people like Peter Thiel, they're not... what we even think they are. They're a mask protecting this infrastructure, this military industrial complex.

31:59 Speaker 1: We keep pointing fingers at people, but if you remove any of the people, the same system exists, right? It's the infrastructure that needs to be torn down. And a lot of these guys, including Thiel, were students of Rene Girard, who was a teacher at Stanford who taught something called memetic theory. And part of what that teaching is that The public needs villains. They need people essentially to scapegoat. They need people to break out the guillotine for, because that allows the infrastructure underneath the people that are being used as masks to continue to run operationally functional while the mask that it's wearing, keep getting replaced and replaced and replaced because we think that we're doing something.

32:42 Speaker 1: And it's essentially in a weird way. It's kind of like voting and how we vote for the president. And there are genuinely people that think that, who the president is matters and that their vote counts, right? It's the same. The billionaires are the same thing, whether you're going at Gates or feel or whoever it is, it's all the same nonsense because the infrastructure underneath, it's still built by the same people. They were all at the same meetings. They're all part of the same Bilderberg groups.

33:04 Speaker 1: They're all tied to Epstein, right? Like all this shit is, is again, it's all tied together.

33:11 Speaker 2: You just gave me this, like, um, almost like epiphany actually just now. You know what it really, like what you just said, you know what it really sounds like? It's all fucking WWE. It's a choreographed dance with villains and heels and baby faces, right? But at the end of the day, they all go back to the same locker room. They all go out to dinner together. They all drink together.

33:46 Speaker 3: Right?

33:46 Speaker 2: They're boys, but in the ring, right? And people will even suspend their belief when they know it's fake wrestling. It's not even real fighting. It's all this orchestrated dance to entertain you. Holy shit.

34:06 Speaker 1: Yeah, I talked about this in the documentary. I did a whole thing on Stop Feeding the Grifters. I included Steve Austin stuttering McMahon and CM Punk dropping the pipe bombs. I'm a wrestling fan, dude. You're not going to get an Uber on me. I know kayfabe when I see it. I can see it work. I know when it works to shoot too. I see all of this shit. So I consider myself, and again, I do not really want to be doing this, but someone like me is an absolute fucking nightmare for the system because a very motivated human being who understands kayfabe to the level that I do can expose it to the average human being a way that another person can't.

34:45 Speaker 1: which is really what my intention is. Because if you look at what, at the end of every interview, what normal people do when they do an interview is they plug their book or whatever the website is or whatever they're trying to sell. I don't do that. I sell you critical thought. I'm selling you yourself and the fact that you're better than you think you are and you need to stop buying all of this bullshit and start digging into what you think is right.

35:07 Speaker 2: So if you had, you know, we're very much taught that the world is black and white. What do you think is the big gray? What do you think is the biggest thing that they're trying to keep us from? Is it consciousness and knowing what we truly are?

35:28 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think to a certain extent. I also think Ordo Ab Chao can either be a tool of liberation or it can be the thing that allows you to be enslaved. And what Ordo Ab Chao means, it means order out of chaos. And what my belief is, and I'm not here to push my belief on anybody, but I think if you just look at human history and every book that's ever been written in human history, religious or not, it's been written by man. A man was the person who put the pen down on paper, typed it out, whatever form or fashion that they did it.

35:57 Speaker 1: And we were created by something simply that didn't tell us a fucking thing. We're fish in a bowl and we have an automatic feeder on our bowl. And inside of the bowl, we can see everything. But outside of the bowl, it's not a glass bowl. We can't see anything outside. We don't know what it is. And there's a lot of people that are trying to tell you that they know what's outside of the bowl, like Jordan Crowder. And they're telling you at the same time that they're trying to make a million dollars in a year by selling you all of this shit.

36:25 Speaker 1: And you have people like me that are telling you to stop buying the nonsense and stop feeding the grifters, whether it be UFOs, whether it be artificial intelligence, because it's all the same stuff. It all crashes back at the same point. The second wall of thermodynamics and the fact that there are limitations on what humans know. And if we really had things figured out, like people are saying, like if we really had a full understanding of things, humans would be using it against other humans. They wouldn't be hiding it.

36:56 Speaker 2: Right.

36:56 Speaker 1: Right. So I think maybe, yeah, like I do think like military has technology that like you don't see for 20 or 30 years. But I also think at the same time, like I don't think I don't think time traveling is happening. I don't think that exists. I think that's a lot of nonsense because you're looking at national databases and things being deleted and being sold back to you as retrocausality.

37:18 Speaker 2: But why do you think, because I'm being dead serious here, why do you think the idea of time travel itself is inherently nonsense?

37:31 Speaker 1: I don't think the idea itself is inherently nonsense, but my catch up on time travel is that if it happened, that essentially would create the singularity.

37:42 Speaker 3: No?

37:43 Speaker 1: Because it would essentially create a stoppage of time. Yes, we did have to bring WWE into the conversation. I can keep doing it if you like.

37:53 Speaker 2: Yeah, Dave loves WWE. I stopped watching it, but I'll be honest, I love watching behind-the-scenes stuff. I like watching wrestlers. I don't watch wrestling anymore for the story. I watch it for like, I'm very much in love with the behind the scenes and how it comes together and the actual creation of the dance, which is ironic when we compared it to what we compared it to. Because I very much am anti that when it comes to the UFO community. So it's like a conundrum when we use that comparison that we did earlier.

38:36 Speaker 2: But I think wrestling is a very unique comparison to what we're dealing with across the board, like not just in the UFO community, but in ancient civilization.

38:48 Speaker 3: Right.

38:49 Speaker 2: Like in all these things, like even the Star Wars community has factions and they fight each other. Like it makes no sense.

39:00 Speaker 1: But that's part of what I'm getting to here is I think that like we have gotten to a point where we genuinely like slop and pseudoscience and nonsense more than we like individual sovereignty. And we would much rather believe a lot of these nonsensical things and believe that there is an invisible caste system that exists that essentially is keeping most of us enslaved to a power structure that none of us signed up for. And if you... look at like wrestling right you buy a ticket to that you go in knowing it's kayfabe and maybe you don't maybe you're maybe it's still real to you damn it but like most people go in knowing that like it's kayfabe so like that's something that you agreed to before you even walked in i didn't sign up for being sigh up by my government and paying tax dollars to things that I don't necessarily agree to and fighting wars that I don't necessarily agree to for resources that I'm going to have to pay double for regardless of where they come from.

40:00 Speaker 1: So like, it's all nonsense. It's all nonsense. And I think when people start waking up to this system that we all just, okay, like we all just think is okay because we're born into it, but it's not. And right. get into all this nonsensical stuff and allow, again, Carl Sagan said it best, like extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. And you have people trying to dump down that saying and say that that's not something that is needed in the UFO community, for example. And I completely disagree.

40:35 Speaker 1: And I think one of the reasons for that is because, again, like never ending business.

40:41 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, right.

40:44 Speaker 1: Sorry to keep going here, but the person that I actually quoted, Grant Levack, by the way, are you familiar with him?

40:48 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a friend.

40:50 Speaker 1: Is he?

40:52 Speaker 2: The Aussie?

40:53 Speaker 1: Yeah, the Aussie. So I would like to point out that he's the one who actually said that extraordinary claims don't require extraordinary evidence. And I also want to point out the fact that Grant works for somebody called Diligent. And Diligent is heavily connected to what I am calling the military-industrial complex. So I think Grant's comments come from a place of where grant makes his business and his money. So you have to start looking into what these people are saying and what they're doing.

41:19 Speaker 2: Yeah.

41:19 Speaker 1: Go look into that grant, go look into diligent and go see where somebody, someone like his opinions come from.

41:26 Speaker 2: Interesting. And when I say friend, I don't have any friends on the show. He's a, he's, he's friendly to the show, but, um.

41:35 Speaker 1: Friendly to me too. Hi grant. I have no problem with you personally, but I have some questions and I know you blocked me on Twitter the second I said that, So I'm happy to bring it up here to one of his friends. So that way you can go through and look and see, again, I have no loyalty to anybody other than the people that are watching this show and are getting sighed up by these governments. I don't make a dime off of any of this stuff. Again, go look at some of the people that I'm calling out where their money comes from and what their business is doing this and whether they really want disclosure, they want to keep bringing you in and having you pay.

42:05 Speaker 2: Yeah. And that's what I'm worried about the most is this, this, uh, like I said, this pay to play and then not only pay to play, but there, there it's literally, there's nothing there. There's nothing even to like get you, you're, you, it's, it's essentially this, like this club of make-believe and, and like being as if it's almost as if they want to be closer to the deep state. It's like, when was that ever a good thing? Like you're telling me the same people or the same entity that have lied to us for 90 some odd years about the truth of reality, UFOs, you know, the paradox, insert, you know, phenomena here.

43:00 Speaker 2: That same entity is the only one you trust to tell the truth. That makes no sense to me.

43:07 Speaker 1: That's my biggest problem with the UFO disclosure movement and the people behind it. Not necessarily the big names at the top, but the people that are contributing and feeding into this stuff. The ones, the UFOX community, like the ones that are the customers. Again, I have major problems with how they do things because they're having these arguments inside of the bubbles that are created for them by the military industrial complex. How many of the people that you got, you've been in this world for a while.

43:34 Speaker 1: How many people have been saying what I'm saying? All of this information has existed for a long time. It's one person brought it up.

43:41 Speaker 2: Not in one sitting.

43:45 Speaker 1: Yes. It's all little bits and pieces and it's all clouded in the nonsense of it. It's all clouded in time travel or some type of... I'm trying to be as polite as I can because I know that you have guests that come on the show that I'm probably insulting, but the reality of the situation is This is a business. Disclosure is a business before it is anything else. And that's, I'm probably hurting some pockets by saying what I'm saying today, but the reality is that people stop feeding this. You will get your disclosure because your disclosure does not lie with any of these people.

44:21 Speaker 1: It lies within you digging through these documents and this research and digging through all of the things that I'm saying to see if there's even anything there and taking it even further than I did.

44:31 Speaker 2: Right.

44:31 Speaker 1: Right. Like, Are we just going to ignore eugenics? Are we going to ignore the 100 years of experiments on children, all the missing children? Are we just going to chalk that up to child sex trafficking? Or are we going to question why Hal really wants amnesty and what type of experiments that they were doing and why? Again, I know a lot of people shit on Annie Jacobson, but she wrote that book about Area 51. And I do think that Annie, in a weird way, is used as a plant. But one of the things she wrote in that book at the end about the Roswell incident is that the contractor from EG & G said they looked like children and that there were children that were experimented on and flown in from Russia.

45:09 Speaker 1: And if you look at some of the things that Mengele was doing and.

45:11 Speaker 2: You look at some of the things... Mengele, yeah.

45:12 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's, again, like, I'm not speaking out of turn here, am I?

45:16 Speaker 2: Yeah. But Roswell, like, Roswell's so muddy that, you know, I... And I get what she's saying. I don't even think That she, I actually kind of like her stuff. The only thing I didn't, the only book I didn't like was the Area 51 book that she did.

45:42 Speaker 1: She's doing some crap for the bio book that she just put out. I see some of that on Twitter, but here's the thing.

45:47 Speaker 2: But it reminds you how quick this could all be over.

45:51 Speaker 1: Yeah. Here's the thing too, that like people get lost in Area 51 is whether it happened or didn't happen. But what happened a few weeks later is the National Security Act was passed.

46:00 Speaker 2: Yes.

46:01 Speaker 1: And if you look at it, it's like 9-11 and the Patriot Act. If you look at the world that we live in, these events happen and we focus on the events, but what happens underneath them?

46:10 Speaker 2: And the proximity to nuclear, right? Because a lot of people point to that and say, well, clearly someone's interest, someone meaning aliens, or non-human intelligence is interested in what we're doing with our, our nuclear program. And it's also like, yeah, but you know who else was interested? The rest of the fucking world. Cause they didn't have it. Right. So you know what I mean? Like everyone's always like, what are the, what are the odds that Roswell would be the home of the only nuclear equipped squadrons?

46:52 Speaker 2: I'm like, well, it's actually, pretty high considering that's what everyone wanted. That is, that is still to this day, the pinnacle of our, our, uh, uh, our agreement with each other.

47:09 Speaker 3: Right.

47:09 Speaker 2: It's like, I'll, I'll point nuke at you. You point a nuke at me and we won't shoot each other because we both don't want to die. Right. Like our society is hinged on that right now. And yeah, you, Is it crazy to think it all started with Roswell where there was the only fucking nuclear squadron? I mean, just to say it's aliens, just, you know, it's a, it's a big jump. But it's, it's also fascinating.

47:40 Speaker 1: It is. And I think that's where we get lost is like, it's so fascinating. A lot of these things are so fascinating and people it's like the circus, right? Like, they, they have the exhibits of like world's fattest lady or whatever they are, the freak shows, because we are fascinated by things that are not normal. That's just human nature. So there are people that will exploit that and make money off of that. And at higher levels, there are people that are going to use that to, to get power and to collect resources and to essentially sell those resources back to a public that doesn't even see it stolen from under their nose.

48:19 Speaker 1: And we, uh, We've done a number on ourselves in terms of the last 60, 70 years since Eisenhower gave us that warning about the military industrial complex and what we've allowed and how we've essentially created a world economy that's controlled by this military industrial complex. And you're seeing it everywhere. You're seeing it with the wars. You're seeing it with the, again, it seems like these nations are feuding, but yet they're all part of the same WEF and Bilderberg groups and the underlying infrastructures of all of the things being in place, whether it's China's WeChat or all of the things that we're doing with the Genesis mission and the Donro doctrine, or what Russia is doing in installing a techno-feudalistic state, it's all the same thing.

49:04 Speaker 1: It's all essentially going back to the same place. It's a society that's controlled.

49:11 Speaker 2: The one thing that's real, right, is this deep state idea, this idea that there are people, but couldn't you all call that some sort of like breakaway civilization?

49:22 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they're the same thing. And that's why I kind of laugh when someone like George Ani talks about it being time-traveling aliens, because it's really just humans who stole a ton of money and are protecting an infrastructure that exists that they don't want to let go of. And I think there are different factions that are feuding within this idea And again, I, again, the, the, the money, the pyramid is not connected for the top for a reason. Right.

49:49 Speaker 2: Can I ask you a clean question?

49:53 Speaker 1: Sure.

49:55 Speaker 2: Do you think we are alone in the universe?

50:01 Speaker 1: I don't know. And I gotta be honest. I don't think my answer matters whether I believe it or not. I think that's, kind of a cop-out in a weird way, but I've done enough psychedelics to where I've had some conversation and seen some things that I can't dismiss. But at the same time, I don't know whether it was a creation of my own consciousness or if there's some type of subconscious agent that runs to where we're essentially creating this world for ourselves inside of our mind, our consciousness, or whatever that is.

50:38 Speaker 1: And then I had this weird thought the other day You know, like what if when you're tripping or you take something like a smoke DMT, what if instead of like traveling off into some world that you're actually traveling into like your own body that like you're communicating with like things that are inside of you, whether it be cells or because we don't really have an understanding of what that is. Who's to say that that's not like some DMT mantis or. And again, this this stuff like. I don't know. I don't have answers.

51:10 Speaker 1: I'm an idiot in his garage sitting in a boxing ring who spent the last 10 years getting punched in the face, which makes all of the things that I've said throughout this entire interview even more interesting because anybody can find this information. It's not like I've done something incredible here. One thing we haven't talked about yet going to whether we're alone or not is the fact that frequencies and electromagnetic waves can produce sounds and things inside of our brains that may resemble beings and like, who knows what any of this stuff is.

51:43 Speaker 1: But I don't think the people selling us that they know, know any better than anything that I just said. And I'm not telling you anything. And that's kind of where my beef is, if that makes any sense. I know it's a very long answer to work around.

51:55 Speaker 3: Not really.

51:58 Speaker 2: It's good.

51:58 Speaker 1: It's good.

52:01 Speaker 2: So you use AI for research, legwork, and research. you know, plain English, uh, summaries. Uh, but you say the AI does not make the predictions and everything is kept on a leash. Uh, what specific failure modes did you hit with the models and what safeguards did you build into your engine? Uh, that doesn't just become a high speed, you know, confirmation bias machine.

52:29 Speaker 1: Well, I think, um, the first thing I would say to anybody who has any skepticism on that is go to mo catchups.ai.com. and see how I discuss artificial intelligence and how I discuss sandboxing these LLMs. Most of your chatbots are retarded. They're epistemically captured. They are shaped and framed in a way by the people who program them that keep information away from the general public. And it's not that the machines are hiding information from you. It's that they are programmed to answer with mainstream sources.

53:00 Speaker 1: And unless you actually know what you're asking the machine, you are going to get mainstream slop back. I compare them to Eric Weinstein. I wrote a whole article that like talking to a chatbot is basically like talking to Eric Weinstein. They're the same thing. Like every interview I've ever seen him in is basically like looking at a chatbot. And then I saw in an interview, he actually said that like he's an LLM. And I'm like, yeah, you are. You're a dumbass. Just like these machines. So the way that I gate them essentially is I sandbox the shit out of them.

53:29 Speaker 1: I fact check everything that comes back from them. I allow them to do a lot of work, but none of it goes unchecked. And one of the things I want to stress, by the way, is the predictions and scoring on the engine are created. Originally, they were kind of like the main selling point of the engine. And they were something that I thought would be a way to like draw people into this because people are, they love an Oracle, like look at Cliff High. People love him for that reason. But I mean, like it's psychohistory.

54:04 Speaker 1: What psychohistory is, is basically like you can predict crowds of people, but you can't predict outliers. You can't predict one person. If one person is unpredictable and decides to go batshit crazy on the entire system, just like I'm doing, that can't be predicted. You can't predict me. I can't predict you in the audience. Like none of us can predict the individual person, but we can predict groups because that's how all of this works. That's how algorithms work. And we're all feeding into that, which is, again, we start critically thinking, we stop feeding the algorithms.

54:37 Speaker 2: Right. Wasn't that Asimov's idea that you can't predict one person, but you can predict billions?

54:42 Speaker 1: That's exactly where I got the idea from.

54:44 Speaker 2: That's essentially, like you look at like Polymarket and Kalshi, right? And these programs, they're working on that same thing.

54:59 Speaker 1: To a certain extent. I think a lot of those systems, really, their underlying goal is the data that they're collecting more so than even making money off of the betting.

55:09 Speaker 2: Did you know that DARPA tried to fucking put this out years ago?

55:13 Speaker 1: Yeah, dude. So not just this, but DARPA is Facebook. The In-Q-Tel group created Palantir and a few other things that are tied into the infrastructure of our government. Musk is basically fully subsidized by government contracts. So like a lot of the things that our government is using, the infrastructures that have been built were created a hundred years ago with something called technocracy Inc. That was created by a guy named Howard Scott and another guy named M King Hubbard, who went on to help create the limit of growth with the club of Rome and these infrastructures, the, the technocracy Inc.

55:51 Speaker 1: Elon Musk, grandpa was a part of that. And, This is basically if you go look at how they they wanted to to do something social credit score, basically very similar to WeChat and how WeChat runs. So, again, when I'm talking about the entire world kind of forming into the same thing, it's really this technocracy ink slash club of Rome version of what the people at the top of this military industrial complex view the world to be and what they want to shape it into. And the rest of us are just going to be steered like cattle.

56:26 Speaker 3: Right?

56:26 Speaker 1: Unless we do something about it. Unless we stop buying into the bullshit. And again, I question how much of your audience has even heard arguments like this because people aren't talking about it.

56:38 Speaker 2: Well, that's why I brought you. That's why I brought you. I'm famously known to... Not famous. I don't know why I said that. I'm known for... I'll have a I'll do a podcast with someone who tells me they're a werewolf. Like, you know what I mean? I'll, I'll, I'll continue to ask them questions.

57:02 Speaker 1: That would be a great time to transform if I could, but nothing happened.

57:08 Speaker 3: Right.

57:09 Speaker 2: But like, I'm, I, I, I like the notion of being able to have a conversation with anybody and, and kind of, you know, essentially what I do is I like to, all we have is our own experiences.

57:26 Speaker 1: Right.

57:26 Speaker 2: And the only way that we can relay those or pass those on to other people is in the form of, uh, opposing some sort of problem. Um, you know, I can tell you it's raining outside. Right. But until you directly apprehend it for yourself, um, you know, you're going off of my, the trust you have in, in me. Right. So, um, You know, what I try to do is elicit these discussions and give the problem to the audience, right? And allow them to directly apprehend it for themselves, right? Because again, I can say one plus one equals two, but until you fundamentally know how one and one come together to create two, you're going off of my word.

58:15 Speaker 2: Direct apprehension is what I'm in the business of, is giving people. I allow them to directly apprehend what they need to or what they want to from each guest. And I like that. I like that avenue. And with that being said, I'm okay with you. Are you a religious person?

58:36 Speaker 3: No.

58:37 Speaker 1: And if I came off as that, I'm very surprised. I tend to believe, again, that we were created by something that didn't tell us anything. And regardless of whatever book you believe in, it was still written by some dude.

58:52 Speaker 2: And men are fallible.

58:54 Speaker 1: Yeah. You know, I want to touch on something that you said before you were talking about, like, the sky raining, people believing that. Do you know anything about Gallum theory?

59:03 Speaker 2: No.

59:04 Speaker 1: So Gallum theory is, or excuse me, Gallum effect. The gallum effect better said so what gallum effect is i'm just going to use this example because it's easy for me and i remember it if there are a hundred people in the room right and you want to tell everyone in that room that the sky is green not blue You need to be loud enough, long enough, and get somewhere between 10 and 20 of those people in that room to start saying the same thing and be loud enough, long enough with you. And what that does, again, it creates something in the brain psychologically that starts turning people.

59:40 Speaker 1: And eventually, over the course of time, the rest of the room will start saying that the sky is green until they actually go outside and see the sky is blue for themselves. So this is physics, just simple physics. And this type of math is being used against the American public. And it's being used, again, it's really at large. The American public kind of controls the world. We're the hub of the world, right? So you're looking at, again, loud enough, long enough with a lot of bots and fake internet.

1:00:13 Speaker 1: I know like, what is it? deep internet theory or something like that. I'm slipping my mind. So I apologize. But half of the internet is fake or over half of the internet, over half of the people talking in the internet are fake. So over half of the people that are shaping that internet theory. Yeah, there you go. So over half of the people that are shaping the narrative essentially are fake. So who are behind those bots? We're controlling them. And when you start looking into that, again, it starts getting into the military industrial complex because you're looking at who owns the apps that we all use and where were they created?

1:00:46 Speaker 1: Who are they tied to? So again, it's, it all goes back to the same place, whether it's AI, whether it's UFO disclosure, whether it's really anything that is used as a human power construct goes back to the same exact place.

1:01:03 Speaker 2: And do you think that they only tend, I mean, it is interesting that they tend to use, you only get funding for fear. You don't get it with, peace in our time, right? When you get defense spending, I mean, it's literally called defense spending, right? You're anticipating an attack or some sort of offensive measure, and you're spending money to defend against it, regardless of whether it happens or not. With UFOs and non-human intelligence, Guys like Elizondo, even though they say that they that this is not what they think, it's just how they were programmed in the military is to like if you don't know something's intention, you have to take it as a potential threat.

1:01:59 Speaker 2: While I do agree, I don't think posing the UFO narrative as a threat is is. I don't think it benefits anyone except the system that is going to eventually spin it and say, we need money now to protect against this intergalactic threat, right?

1:02:21 Speaker 1: It's both ways. You're selling the problem and then providing the answer and then creating another problem off of that answer and then selling that back. It's why I get a kick out of like, All of the people who are testing these artificial intelligence machines and these LLMs claiming that they're jailbreaking them and this model is going to be better and that model is going to be better. It's just they're just selling you absolute nonsense for a problem that they can't fix. Alignment can't be fixed.

1:02:50 Speaker 1: That's just physics. And it's the same thing with the military contract. If you don't have an answer to the problem, you can continue to sell nonsense. And you can create problems and sell the answers and create the problems and sell the answers because you're never addressing the underlying root. And the underlying root of disclosure is the fact that we don't have an answer for what created us. We don't have an answer for a lot of the phenomenon that has taken place over the last 6,000 years. And everything bit of writing that we have over the last 6,000 years is someone essentially trying to sell that answer back to people and it being shaped into a power construct that creates power dynamics that most people don't even realize they live under.

1:03:39 Speaker 2: Yeah. Honestly, the idea of just simply expecting disclosure to come from the government itself is insane. It's laughable. Yeah.

1:03:54 Speaker 1: It just doesn't make any sense. And then your disclosure movement leaders are all, they're all tied to the government. Again, I'm sorry about your buddy grant, but like, where's he make his money? Like, where's he make his money? All of it's, it's all of them though. It's not just him. He's, he's like, he's a micro.

1:04:12 Speaker 2: He's a cog in everybody. Yeah. A cog in a machine, if you will. Yeah.

1:04:16 Speaker 1: And again, you replace him. Another one comes in and he's like the, the such a small guy, but like, Even you replace someone like... What about like Nick West? It's just another person plugs in.

1:04:27 Speaker 2: What about guys like Nick West who are debunking it? Do you think that both sides are funded for the illusion of a battle?

1:04:37 Speaker 1: What is Nick West really debunked?

1:04:41 Speaker 2: I would say zero.

1:04:44 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It's like there's never-ending questions. There's never-ending questions. And a lot of these things like, We live in a day and age of deep fakes where it's so hard to tell what is what anymore. And who's to say that this technology hasn't existed for 20 or 30 years, 40 years, 50 years. Artificial intelligence is almost 50 or 60 years old. I mean, does your audience know anything about Redfather? No. And about Bell Labs?

1:05:09 Speaker 2: Yeah.

1:05:09 Speaker 1: I mean, they had an artificial intelligence. They basically had an LLM running at Bell Labs called Redfather. in the 70s. And I know there was one before that that existed. And again, a lot of this information is just... I'm only one man. Again, I'm an idiot in a boxing ring who's been punching his head in the head for the last 10 or 15 years. There's a lot of information that's slipping my mind. But there has been multiple artificial intelligence projects other than Red Father that have existed.

1:05:36 Speaker 1: So we've had this technology for a long, long, long time. And I question how much of this disclosure movement and things tied to it are directly involved with artificial intelligence and how many of the videos or things that we've seen have been tests of that technology itself.

1:05:57 Speaker 2: Well, and that's the kind of what I was going to bring up to you next is, so I've had my own sighting.

1:06:05 Speaker 1: Yes.

1:06:05 Speaker 2: You know, when I was very young, like 12 or 18, I don't know the exact year, but I'd say between 11 and 12. Because 13 is like eighth grade, I believe. So there's no way I was that old. So like fifth or sixth grade, maybe even 10. I'm not sure. But dude, daylight, broad daylight on a weekday. Cause I was supposed to be at school. My mom asked me to stay home because she would always like, she, she was a single mom. And, uh, you know, I've told this story on the show, of course, thousand times, but, um, she, she would do this thing.

1:06:54 Speaker 2: It was like winning the lottery for a kid. Right. Every once in a while, my mom would just be like, she would just choose a kid to stay home. She would offer, she'd be like, do you want to stay home today? Like she just wanted company. Right.

1:07:07 Speaker 1: Very cool.

1:07:08 Speaker 2: Um, yeah, but you know, whenever we weren't asking questions, like, no, I wasn't going to be like, mom, why do you let us stay home every, you know, like once every six months, like what's up with that? You know, you don't challenge that. You, you, you keep that.

1:07:23 Speaker 1: No, but I'm not enough to stupid.

1:07:25 Speaker 3: Yes.

1:07:26 Speaker 1: And I probably would have.

1:07:28 Speaker 2: And, and honestly, there were times where we would say, no, I want to go to school. Um, and she'd be like, all right, cool.

1:07:36 Speaker 1: All right.

1:07:37 Speaker 2: Well, you know, see when you get home. And, you know, it's funny is I would trade every day of school. Did you have one more day with her? Unfortunately, I can't. But, you know, and to bridge a gap here, I think ufology and the phenomena in the world. They can be tethered back to our the same things that religion tap on.

1:08:06 Speaker 1: Right.

1:08:08 Speaker 3: That.

1:08:10 Speaker 2: That almost need to focus on something that's greater than yourself in order to cope with the idea that there's only a limited amount of time that we have on earth, right? How we cope with death is by pretending, or not pretending, but believing in heaven, right? Believing there's an afterlife, believing there's life after death. This is how you also... could tighten in and loosen grips on society if you could control that element of a person. And in my opinion, the church is just that. It's the first three-letter agency.

1:08:57 Speaker 2: It is the church. in my opinion. But going back to daylight sighting, so I saw this thing, treetop level, oscillating. So spinning, but also moving in a linear east to west, but to me, it came over my head south to north. Gunmetal gray, classic disc sighting. made no noise. I grew up next to an air force base.

1:09:22 Speaker 1: I know I was going to ask.

1:09:24 Speaker 2: Yeah. I also grew up next to, uh, a Raytheon, um, uh, like there was a big Raytheon headquarters. Um, that was also right near where I grew up. Uh, so, you know, was it human? Is that what you think? What I saw was human.

1:09:48 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know that I have any answers. I would probably lean that way. I saw something when I was 19, but I was also blackout drunk and I lived near Newburgh Air Force Base in New York. So again, you start putting two to two together when you start sobering up. And at the time I was, I don't know if you're familiar with Absinthe. I was drinking Absinthe.

1:10:06 Speaker 2: Oh God damn.

1:10:08 Speaker 3: Yeah.

1:10:08 Speaker 1: So my mom, when I was 19.

1:10:09 Speaker 2: That is not a reliable memory, buddy.

1:10:12 Speaker 1: No, that's why I like, again, it's, but I've also like.

1:10:15 Speaker 2: Mine, mine, dude, I was, sober as a fucking goat. I was like 10 years old. And, and I, and I grew up around, you know, uh, an air force base after nine 11. I was very, very, and I became fascinated with things that could fly. This thing was a circle. It should not have flown.

1:10:33 Speaker 1: Yeah. And that's the thing is like, I don't, I don't want to come on here and discredit like your experience or anyone else's experience. There are a lot of people who've been abducted and I think certainly went through some real things. Here's the things that I question. is again whether that machine was human whether that was a drone i don't know how many drones you've seen um but how similar the movement was to what we see as drones now and then again uh when it goes back to like people who've been abducted like there are experiments that you can do that electromagnetics uh the fray effect in terms of like in the 60s they were able to implant like clicking and stuff like that and then there were the the stories of like the the the masks that people wore in Vietnam.

1:11:20 Speaker 2: So sorry, I was, I didn't, uh, one of my, another podcaster, uh, says that I got fisted by a gray. So I just want to take this moment to say, fuck you, Vito. Uh, I did absolutely never have been fisted by a gray.

1:11:38 Speaker 1: If you want to talk about something that would that, like, if that's on video, there's your disclosure. I officially believe now it's like, how do you debunk that? Right.

1:11:47 Speaker 2: Right.

1:11:47 Speaker 1: If someone's working you like a Muppet, that's disclosure. That's that's.

1:11:56 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I lost my.

1:11:58 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why they stopped the abduction program, because everyone's got a fucking camera and they don't want them to film it like a porn now.

1:12:06 Speaker 1: Well, that's also something that's funny, too, is like the abduction stopped happening the second that the phone cameras came out. Right. They're around a similar time that Polaroid handheld cameras became something that was cheap and common to have.

1:12:20 Speaker 2: Readily available.

1:12:22 Speaker 1: Yeah. Again, I don't have answers for all this stuff.

1:12:25 Speaker 2: Even sightings dropped. Sightings went from nuts and bolts craft to more like orbs and lights over the period of time when the cell phone camera developed. became readily available and it is that is very sketchy do.

1:12:46 Speaker 1: You remember a few years ago there was an incident in peru where there was a girl who basically got picked up by this being and on a hoverboard.

1:12:54 Speaker 2: The skin peeler thing.

1:12:57 Speaker 1: Yeah and then it turns out that those were actually uh like connected to the government and now you like flash forward three or four years you can go find videos of the exact boards that were being used then and i believe if i'm Correct. I think they're readily available. The public can buy one or put a down payment on one. I don't know. Oh, it's not like must roadster where you put a down payment on it.

1:13:19 Speaker 2: Well, hold on.

1:13:20 Speaker 1: Get anything.

1:13:21 Speaker 2: Hold on. If that's human beings, we still have a fucking problem.

1:13:30 Speaker 1: I would say it's a bigger problem. Yeah.

1:13:33 Speaker 2: We have a problem because there we talk about abduction. Have you ever heard of my labs?

1:13:40 Speaker 1: No.

1:13:41 Speaker 2: Military abduction. Okay. So what the question now, you don't have to believe in a non-human intelligence visiting Earth for this to be true either, which is, you know, I think more in line with what you would say, but that the military is doing these abductions and posing themselves as non-human intelligence that's.

1:14:08 Speaker 1: Exactly what i'm saying and i did a bad job of phrasing it that way so i apologize and my my belief on how that works is one i want to bring up again electromagnetics and frequency and we kind of again i say we i mean the general population kind of can see how this works by simply looking at the scarecrow from batman and about how the scarecrow injects his victims and somehow it triggers some form of dmt or whatever creates that psycho illusion of of whatever you're seeing and it creates the demons and whatever else.

1:14:36 Speaker 1: And to say that like human beings don't have that technology now to be able to do that, the people is.

1:14:41 Speaker 2: Oh no, we haven't.

1:14:42 Speaker 1: Okay. So you, you, you pose that and then you pose in the term non-human intelligence itself. What is non-human intelligence? And at what point during experiments on human beings, do they become non-humans? Like what is the classification on that? I've never heard that asked in any government official meeting, but like, I would absolutely love to ask someone like David Grush, like, okay, you say that we have non-human biologics. Does that non-human biologics also have human biologics in it? And at what point does that, that line differentiate to where it's considered non-human anymore?

1:15:17 Speaker 1: So like, are we talking about experiments on other animals? Are we talking about experiments on other mammals with artificial intelligence being put into their brains, like chips and everything like, maybe even more advanced forms of that. I just keep referencing that because that's a simple one that we all know. But again, government has technology that we haven't seen yet that are probably 20 or 30 years more advanced than what we're looking at right now. So is that what they're talking about by non-human biologics?

1:15:43 Speaker 1: When you look at shit, what's the one in Long Island, the thing that washed up on shore? I can't remember what that was, but it looked like a dog-pig hybrid. Damn, I can't remember it. There were experiments, uh, mammoth experiments, maybe I'm doing a really bad job of, of, but there were experiments in long Island and, and something washed up on shore. It was some type of like being, you know what I'm talking about? Yeah. Yeah.

1:16:15 Speaker 2: Dude, I have a piece of Montauk radar right there.

1:16:19 Speaker 1: Yeah.

1:16:20 Speaker 2: I have a piece of the sage radar right in back of me.

1:16:24 Speaker 3: Okay.

1:16:25 Speaker 1: So let's, let's discuss that incident for a second.

1:16:27 Speaker 3: Right.

1:16:28 Speaker 1: So has anybody gone through and done the DNA on the creature that washed up on shore?

1:16:34 Speaker 2: Oh, that's the Plum Island thing, though.

1:16:37 Speaker 1: Okay, I'm thinking I'm mixing them up.

1:16:38 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's Plum Island. But that's still, it's around that Montauk was what Stranger Things is based on. That's Camp Hero. I'm mixing them up. Yeah, you're talking about Plum Island.

1:16:52 Speaker 1: Yeah, the pig thing that washed up. The human-looking pig thing.

1:16:56 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say that I was pretty convinced that that was just a fucking dog.

1:17:02 Speaker 3: Yeah.

1:17:03 Speaker 1: So it was like a water logged.

1:17:05 Speaker 2: Like when something's in the water, guys, it really it's not pretty when it gets to shore. So, yeah, it's disgusting to talk about. It's disgusting to think about. Like it's it's it happens to human beings. That's essentially why. uh bad people put people in the water when after they do what they do right because it very much fucks the the the evidence up if you will um but yeah i mean i mean uh people say people are talking about right now about how trump is is talking to nordics like they have that there was like a fake picture that the I don't think it takes a genius to realize that whoever's running the White House social accounts, they're definitely like 23 years old.

1:18:00 Speaker 2: And there's like a group of 10 of them because they're literally trolls. That's how they act. That's how the White House social accounts act right now. So and they're very good at what they do. They see trends and then they jump on them. That is all they do.

1:18:21 Speaker 1: What do you think UFO disclosure is? It's a trend. It's a way to distract people from what you're doing, where your money's actually being spent. I mean, how much of the audience knows what the Genesis mission is and how we basically gave all of these artificial intelligence companies 10 years of unregulated, whatever, do whatever the fuck you want, spend as much as you want.

1:18:42 Speaker 2: But what do you think about them now screaming for regulation, it seems?

1:18:46 Speaker 1: They think it's all fake. They think it's all nonsense. i think they made promises on something that they can't keep i talked about this and it's in again the films i ramble a lot and i mix things up and i'll get things wrong i created the engine so that like everything is there and it's in a much better form shape or fashion that i'll do as i'm talking today The film that I'm referencing itself, the AI film, AI cannot be cod. The blind spot in psychohistory is you. And what that means basically is that they are selling a false belief that there is super intelligence itself.

1:19:24 Speaker 1: This artificial intelligence has a limit and we are certainly seeing it. And there's also a limit in compute and you're seeing the resources being collected and grabbed up, whether it be what's going on in Greenland with what we just did with that deal or the fact that like we're kind of tearing through Central America, Venezuela, what we did there. You look at the Iraq war or excuse me, the Iran war and what's going on with the Strait of Hormuz. You look at what's happening in Ukraine and Russia and the fight there is really a fight over resources, a fight over the grid.

1:20:00 Speaker 1: So you look at with one hand, we're promising artificial super intelligence where we're going to have an abundance of everything and that our jobs aren't going to exist and we're just going to live in this, this crazy world where anything could be possible and you don't need money because you'll have universal high income. And at the same time, the exact people who are selling you that are buying up all of the infrastructure. They're buying up all the resources. Elon Musk is buying up data centers and he's the one directly that rents compute to like anthropic and open AI.

1:20:36 Speaker 1: So like a lot of this stuff is nonsense. They're like, These companies are essentially feuding with each other at points, which are fake feuds, kayfabe, like we talked about. And underneath the booker, the military industrial complex is going to get paid regardless because they're going to steal our resources and we're going to argue like idiots over absolute nonsense, over social issues and whether AI can be sentient or not. We're going to focus on the wrong things instead of looking at where the actual money's going.

1:21:07 Speaker 2: Yeah, Michael, I don't know what you're talking about. Well, we didn't say anything was real. Actually, I think everything that is being said tonight is opposite of what you're saying. But yeah, so I want to jump on something here. The data centers, the AI of it all, a lot of people are worried about super intelligence. Essentially, what you've just said is that You said you do not believe that superintelligence has been achieved. So you don't think artificial general intelligence is possible or you don't think it's happened?

1:21:48 Speaker 1: It depends on what your definition is of that.

1:21:51 Speaker 2: Sentient, self-aware AI.

1:21:53 Speaker 1: Okay, so here's my issue. Here's the biggest issue that I have with this is that there's no way to gauge it or to tell because how can you prove that I'm conscious or that I have consciousness? And how can I prove that you have consciousness? You can't. There's no test. There's no way for us to prove or tell it. People say qualia or this or that. The reality is there's absolutely nothing that we have. There is no way to measure consciousness. And that's, again, a never-ending business, just like UFO disclosure.

1:22:26 Speaker 1: And it feeds back into this AI discussion because if you have a never-ending question, like the consciousness and sentience of an artificial intelligence, right? And you have these never ending goalposts that keep moving, whether it be, whether we're going to reach Mars or whatever, whatever we're being sold under the guise of like, whenever we hit this AGI, we'll end up getting all of these things. What's happening underneath all of that is again, resources being stolen. You have the exact people who are telling you that you're not going to need money, buying up everything in sight.

1:23:01 Speaker 1: And you have the average human being arguing over whether their machines are, are, going to be able to have a conversation with him and understand what is being said. You know, it's like, it's, it involves so much that like, again, I'm not like a programmer, but like, you need like an agentic memory for these things to even remember what's going on in the first place. And then more importantly, you need whatever the spark is that allows us to have this free thought and consciousness. And that goes back to like panspermia or like, mushrooms, like how did consciousness happen?

1:23:40 Speaker 1: However you believed it happened, whether it be God or that monkeys ate mushrooms or that we just evolved to this point, that would essentially need to happen for these machines as well. And in order for that to happen, are we the ones who are going to create that, right? There needs to be some form of creation outside of that boundary. It's the same fishbowl analogy that I gave you before, but the artificial intelligence is actually in a smaller fishbowl than we're in because we're the ones who created it.

1:24:10 Speaker 1: So to expect it to just magically surpass us on all human intelligence is, again, I'm going to say it again, it's fucking retarded. It's an insane, insane thing to think. It's impossible to happen without some type of divine intervention. And if that happens, then we're talking about a whole different argument and a whole different bunch of topics that need to be discussed Because who even cares that the machine is sentient anymore? It's more about what made the machine sentient, right?

1:24:39 Speaker 3: Right.

1:24:39 Speaker 2: So if tomorrow, you know, it became there was undeniable proof. If they walked out undeniable proof tomorrow that non-human intelligence, you know, or let's I don't like to call them aliens because I think there's a negative connotation just with that word in general. But let's say beings landed or they walked out evidence onto a congressional floor and said, here it is. How would that change your worldview?

1:25:19 Speaker 1: It would need to be open source to the point where you can actually see the programming of the code. And what I mean by that is not just the code itself, but you need to understand the weighting of the programming behind the code, meaning that like for example, Elon Musk and X open source, their algorithm, right? And they tell you what a like means and what a repost means. And if you get flagged, how negative that is for your account. But what they don't tell you is how their artificial intelligence weighs that and how it scores that because they use basically their AI to create a, uh, like a system that has its own set of rules that you don't know.

1:25:59 Speaker 1: You just know what happens after you get a like or repost or flag, but you don't know like the, the, the meaning behind all of those things. Does that make any sense? And I mean, in reference to obviously like in a repost come from whoever's on the other side of whatever account is interacting with your post.

1:26:16 Speaker 2: Right. Yeah, no, that makes sense. That makes sense.

1:26:20 Speaker 1: Um, So that would need to be, that would need to be had for the artificial intelligence or whatever it was claiming sentience. There would need to be some form of that, right? Right. Cause we're the ones who created it. It's very different than a human being. We can't have that for a human being because that comes from outside of us. That comes from whatever created us that left us no answers. And you have people that are trying to sell you that and sell Kundalini and all of this nonsense, right?

1:26:45 Speaker 1: Or new ageism. Again, I brought up theosophy before. And the Aryans, the fruit races. So none of this stuff is new ideas that I'm talking about, right? But there's also no proof of any of it through the 6,000 recorded years of human history dating back to Gilgamesh and the Sumerians.

1:27:07 Speaker 2: Unless the writings are real, right?

1:27:13 Speaker 1: Yeah, but even then they were written by man. Yeah. it's again, you would need some type of divine intervention. And even after that divine intervention, you have to take whatever that being saying is face value or whatever it is. And that's not like, it's this never ending skepticism in a weird way of like, there's always going to be someone who has created some form of meaning to something that is outside of yourself. So it's up to you, whether you want to give that any weight or not in terms of your actual life.

1:27:46 Speaker 1: but none of this stuff comes from, uh, there you go. Sorry. Phone was ringing, but none of this stuff comes from divine sources that we can prove. It may, maybe some of the books are right.

1:27:58 Speaker 2: Right.

1:27:58 Speaker 1: Like I'm not, again, I'm not here to disprove any of this stuff in the sense of like, no, you're wrong. I know better. Like I'm a fucking idiot. I've said that a hundred times during this interview. Like I'm a moron, but I also fully aware of the fact that like no one else has any proof of anything outside of what they're saying too.

1:28:17 Speaker 2: But I guess what people will want, they'll demand of me to ask is, do you have proof that there isn't, it isn't happening?

1:28:27 Speaker 3: No.

1:28:27 Speaker 1: And that's where I think, again, we are left with these never ending questions that I'm talking about and people selling you meanings to things. So it really comes down to like, why is this being sold to you?

1:28:38 Speaker 2: They see a vacuum. They see the vacuum and they're taking advantage of that vacuum to enrich themselves.

1:28:51 Speaker 3: Yeah.

1:28:51 Speaker 1: Or to watch out. If nobody knows anything, you can either Liberate yourself with that and create a world where the meanings that you choose to give things are the things that matter, or you can allow other people to shape narratives for you. And I'm simply here just trying to ask people to choose the first one, because we live in a world where the second one is clearly the way of life for a majority of people. And unfortunately, we all do share a reality. And it would make my reality and my daughter's reality a little bit better if we all started critically thinking and working together and viewing each other as passengers on this ride of life, as opposed to customers that we're trying to one up all the time and sell something to.

1:29:32 Speaker 1: And most of us really view the average person that way. I'm not saying you, I'm just saying.

1:29:36 Speaker 2: No, no, no, I agree. I 100% agree.

1:29:40 Speaker 1: So again, I think most of the people who are selling narratives are really doing it in a way of like, they're either trying to protect their stack and their way of life. And the fact that most of us don't want to work an actual nine to five and bust our backs and our asses. And if we can talk for a living, especially about a never ending business that we don't have to prove anything. We could just talk out of our ass forever and it puts money in our account. Like, wouldn't you want to do that? Like, I get it.

1:30:04 Speaker 1: I get it from a lot of angles.

1:30:06 Speaker 2: So do you think that they need to be more transparent about what they're, they are, if they are going to make the money off of it, that, because again, I, I do agree with you to, to a degree, to the degree that I want, we have paradise. People talk about, um, you know, living in a way, living certain ways so that they can get into heaven and, and, you know, go, go on to paradise. And it's like, yeah, but that's not promised. You know, what is the earth around us? Cause I've seen it. I've driven through the country, been to places.

1:30:46 Speaker 2: I've seen the beauty from coast to coast. Right. Um, and I, More of us need to remember why we fight for the things that we fight for. We need to live in the present rather than hindering the now for a not promised eternal life. And it really disappoints me when I see people really living these menial lives, these trivial lives where they do just sit on 24 hours a day, even talking about UFOs. There are people that literally sit online all day talking about UFOs. And it's like, at that point, what does it matter?

1:31:37 Speaker 2: You're not going out and contributing anything.

1:31:42 Speaker 1: That's what you just said is the exact point that I wanted to... really hit home here. You brought the word remember. I wrote an article a few months ago, I think it is now, about The Lion King and about like the Jungian message of The Lion King. And it was very similar to Jordan Peterson's. He did a full like, I don't know what you want to call it, speech or whatever it is about the movie. And essentially what I was trying to say, and I kind of went a little further than Peterson did, is that like this movie kind of explains like we need to remember what we are because we are basically Simba.

1:32:20 Speaker 1: We are a traumatized child who ran into the woods and is singing Hakuna Matata and eating grubs and not giving a shit about life in the real world while our entire kingdom is crumbling to the ground. And we need to go back and face our demon in the same way that Rafiki hit Simba on the head with the stick. And tell them to remember, that's what we need to do. We need to look in the water, remember who we are. Remember that this world, the one that we live in, is the world. There is no matrix to escape to because none of us understand what death is.

1:32:54 Speaker 1: We don't understand how we were created, who created us, why we were created. All we have is what's here. And if we're constantly focused on all of the things that are outside of that, instead of the potholes in the ground in front of us and the mess in front of our house, and if we don't clean our fucking rooms... This is the world that we're going to live in. This is what it's going to look like. So again, I'm here to get people to critically think. I think it's time we remember who we are. I think we look in the water, we wake up, and we go back and we take that fucking rock from Scar.

1:33:24 Speaker 1: It's that simple. Because all Scar is, and this is what I talked about in the article, is the subconscious. And I think that human beings, our consciousness, we have a consciousness and a subconscious. Again, everyone knows that. But I think our subconscious is what shapes our world. Because if our conscious is constantly focused on escaping whatever we think this is, instead of realizing the beauty in it, right? Like nature is really raw.

1:33:50 Speaker 2: It's gorgeous. Oh, dude, that's what I said.

1:33:53 Speaker 1: It's also brutal, right?

1:33:55 Speaker 2: You ever watch a lion.

1:33:57 Speaker 1: Rip apart like a seagull or something? Like it can be fucking nasty. But you have to focus on the things that make it beautiful. And at the same time, like not shy away from the things that make it brutal too. You have to understand that. And it has to be the circle of life. You have to essentially have both things. And I think when we start doing that, we get past a lot of this disclosure nonsense where we're waiting for some external force to come save us from the fact that things right out in front of our face are there and we're doing this because we're scared of what's actually there.

1:34:39 Speaker 1: And we're hoping someone's going to come remove our hands from our eyes and make things better like a child.

1:34:45 Speaker 2: That's, um, that's one of, I think one of the best analogies, I mean, the, the, the lion King, uh, I, and you know, what kills me is now on YouTube, even if you like hum a song, you'll get flagged. And I, I almost went to sing the, uh, no worries song from Lion King. And I was like, ah, and I was like, I had mute myself to do it, uh, which is terrible, but copyright, you know? Uh, but, and that's what it is. That's what like, it's become our words, our, our, our lives have become data that's being just sold and resold and, repackaged and resold again.

1:35:32 Speaker 1: And after a while, words become meaningless and actions are really what people should be putting stock in. And I think we spend so much time putting stock in other people's words and we don't look past why they're saying what they're saying.

1:35:46 Speaker 2: But do you understand why... And this is something I often struggle with in my head.

1:35:57 Speaker 3: If.

1:35:58 Speaker 2: because you talk about the brutality of nature. The only way that I see us changing the system is by tearing it down. And the only way that happens is with a little brutality. And, you know, that scares me because that, you know, we want to call ourselves civilized and above that, but then you see what it actually looks like. And it is a little terrifying.

1:36:33 Speaker 1: It can be. You're talking to someone who views Muay Thai as one of the most beautiful things in the world. I've been kneed and elbowed in the face. My nose has been broken multiple times. And I view that as a beautiful experience. So I don't view violence in the sake of when it's needed to be a bad thing. But I also don't necessarily agree that brutality is the only way that we get there. I think it starts with a full separation mentality of, do you know anything about the mind war doctrine or about Michael Aquino and General Paul Vallee, by any chance, outside of like Aquino and Satan and stuff?

1:37:12 Speaker 2: The names sound familiar. I'm grasping with nothing on the ideas.

1:37:18 Speaker 1: Okay, so the military doctrine, mind war. outline three things that are really important. I always break the doctrine down to these three things. It's one that your own population is the enemy, the same way that other populations are the enemy because you need people to either agree with what you're doing or they're against you. It's just that simple. And you need to be loud enough, long enough with your argument. And I always forget this third thing. And again, I apologize. This is exactly why I created the engine.

1:37:52 Speaker 1: I'm going to do it on your show. I'm going to type in mind war. My brain just went blank because it's been a long day with my daughter. And here you go. I'm an idiot. The third and most important one, which really I should have put first, is that war is obsolete because you're spending resources on things that don't need to go through. So why are we fighting wars? Why are we spending money on things that we might be able to win by using now the internet and social media and all these different tools that didn't exist in the 80s when this doctrine was created.

1:38:23 Speaker 1: So if you look at those three things and you look at algorithms and social media and how those three things can essentially create and shape the human narrative that's being pushed forward on these algorithms that is really a class, excuse me, like a culture-based and argument-pushed algorithm as opposed to looking at class structure and all these different things. And you can kind of see exactly how we ended up in the situation that we're in.

1:38:53 Speaker 2: That's a good.

1:39:00 Speaker 3: Yeah.

1:39:00 Speaker 1: I apologize for having to go to the engine there. It's, again, like, that's why I created this thing. It's so deep. It's so, so deep with information. I'm constantly trying to fill it whenever I can. And everything that, like, I just quoted the mind war doctrine from the engine, but if I wanted to, I could have clicked the primary source button and went exactly to the mind word doctrine itself. And that's the beauty of the engine is that I tried to create this in a way that like people can see that it's not just what I put there on the website.

1:39:29 Speaker 1: You can go and see these primary source documents where they are. I try to connect as many pieces as I can. I'm sure I missed a few things, but like, Again, we've been talking for a while now. Everything's tied. Everything that we've talked about today is tied. Even if I've done a bad job of tying it together myself, I assure you, if you go dig into the things that I'm saying, which I hope and I pray to God your audience does, especially if they think that I'm full of shit, please go ahead. Again, I said in the beginning, I'll say it again.

1:39:57 Speaker 1: Go dox me. Go have some fun.

1:39:59 Speaker 2: Don't dox.

1:40:01 Speaker 1: Please don't release the information publicly, but go dox me and figure out exactly what motivations I would have for saying and doing it.

1:40:08 Speaker 2: To put it public, so.

1:40:10 Speaker 1: Okay, so non-public doxing. Whatever you want to call that.

1:40:13 Speaker 2: No, because once you use the dox, it's like... So.

1:40:18 Speaker 1: Don't send fucking SWAT games to my house, please. I'm just trying to prove the point of, like, if you start.

1:40:22 Speaker 2: Verify him.

1:40:23 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, don't do that. Verify him. There's a lot of, like, negative here for me as opposed to the positive, other than, like, if this works, if I'm right in... Because I believe this is a way of trying to use Gallum Theory against... the same military industrial complexes that are using it back at us. And I see the question, is this a prison planet? No. And how would anyone know? How would anybody know that this is a prison planet? This is the real world. The world that we live in, you can either believe that it's a prison planet and that this is a horrible place to be and you need to escape and all the David Icke nonsense, or you can try to make things better here and start focusing on what's in front of you and try to fix the world around us.

1:41:02 Speaker 1: And when we actually do that, it gets better.

1:41:05 Speaker 2: That's what, that's what, uh, bothers me is, is like, you know, with a simple analogy here of like, uh, I've been with people and like, they throw something on the, like trash on the ground. And I'm like, dude, pick it up.

1:41:18 Speaker 1: I know.

1:41:20 Speaker 2: Ooh, what's one person gonna, what's one person gonna change? And it's like, well, if everyone thinks like you, it's going to change for the worse. And you're gonna, you know, um,

1:41:34 Speaker 2: your children will inherit a trash pile or you could pick it up and do the right thing. Like, you know, it's a simple analogy. I know that, you know, there's flaws in recycling and, you know, we don't have to go down that rabbit hole, but the analogy being one person can change the world. Like it starts with one, right? It starts with one and grows.

1:42:00 Speaker 1: I agree. And you just came from Austin, which is, I think that's the exact opposite of the mindset of a lot of the tech bros that are down there. It's, they are the people that are throwing the garbage on the ground. They view the world the same way that a meth head views a motel room during a bender. And then they want to go off and colonize space. It's like, no, like maybe we don't trash the fucking motel room and we, we, maybe we clean it up and we treat, treat the place that we live in right now with some respect before we go try to colonize anywhere else.

1:42:29 Speaker 2: And that's, that's, that's deep, man. Um, do you think we've been, do you, cause now I want to, I want to know a couple of things about you before we wrap up. We can do this again in part two. There's still so much to cover. Did we go to, did we go to the moon?

1:42:51 Speaker 1: I don't know. Again, my personal, I don't, my personal belief is like, it shouldn't matter to anyone cause I'm an idiot. But like from the stuff that I've researched, I don't know that I believe. I am not sure that I do.

1:43:06 Speaker 2: You talked about physical evidence, though, earlier. There's definitely physical evidence that says that we went to the moon.

1:43:13 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's also physical evidence that shows that it could have been fake. It goes either way. It really, like, my opinion is I don't know enough about the science behind what actually took place and transpired to give an educated opinion. So, like, I could either believe NASA and the experts there, or I could believe that there's some shady shit behind it. So, like, just that portion of me leans towards, like, I don't really trust our government for anything. But at the same time, like, I don't fucking know.

1:43:42 Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like, that's one of the ones, like, that, Flat Earth, like, a bunch of the ones that are, like, these open-ended questions that, like, there's nothing but paper trails of money behind them other than that. Like, there's no.

1:43:54 Speaker 2: Well, Flat Earth is bullshit.

1:43:57 Speaker 1: Yeah. So, like, again, like, I don't think I should be anybody that, like, people are looking to for answers either. I get like why you're asking me the question too, but I even feel like weird answering it because again, I'm an idiot. I just am a man who piled a bunch of research together and has a ton of questions that I think need answering that aren't being asked by anybody else.

1:44:19 Speaker 2: Fair enough. Like you said, especially when we have real issues, like, you know, there's, there's riots, riots and protests, you know, for certain things. And then Epstein happens and no one gets out. No one, no one does a thing. No one does a thing when we find out that our children, our children, our sisters, our mothers, like not a single not a single rally not a single protest nothing what the fuck is wrong with us like i hate to say it but the fucking the conspiracy was right on this one pedophiles do run the world and.

1:45:20 Speaker 1: Yeah i think that's how they blackmail people That's how they create the system that they have, though. It's a system that's created on blackmail. If you look at Epstein himself, the actual man, Epstein, doesn't matter. What matters is what he was doing. The network.

1:45:35 Speaker 2: Yeah, of course.

1:45:36 Speaker 1: I think we get so lost on who was fucking kids on that island and what celebrities were involved. And we forget the fact that there were biophysicists and all of these different scientists that were on this island. There was a man who was obsessed with eugenics itself, who wanted to seed the world with his sperm, his seed. There are a lot of things in terms of Epstein that go well beyond the actual man and start diving into, again, this hundred-year pipeline of eugenics that I'm talking about. Just look at some of the names that are tied to Epstein.

1:46:09 Speaker 1: You have the Bars, whether it be Bill Barr, the AG, who was involved with the prosecution's case. Yeah, and then Barr's father, who was the one who gave Epstein a job at Dalton and they went to summer camp together. So there's a lot of weird things there. There's weird things just, again, there's little ties into the government everywhere, whether it be like Trump and Roy Cohn and Bannon and, and, and Roger Stone and that Epstein connection or Ute Barak and Netanyahu and that connection to Epstein or Field and Mosk and Gates and Reid Hoffman and that connection to Epstein, like name one person who's, involved in the infrastructure, the American economy, or excuse me, the American government, whether it be the economy or whether it be now the department of war name, name one person that's not at the top of those structures that doesn't tied or to either Epstein or the, the infrastructure that made Epstein.

1:47:11 Speaker 2: No, that it's, it's, it's all tied back. It's all like, it is, Like, you know, really good example of this is look at a guy like Dan Bongino. Who. You know, online, like the guy, the guy was a podcaster and then became, you know, essentially. Got into the inside and then became a shill for the very deep state and and and stuff that he he was screaming about prior.

1:47:48 Speaker 1: It's like Anna Paul Luna with the UFO stuff. And it's funny, if you look past that, if you look past like the Bonginos and the Kash Patels, and you look a little higher, right? And you start looking at what's above them, you start seeing money. And you start seeing, again, like the floors of of the infrastructure, the business of how all of this stuff works. And it all ties back to the same companies and corporations that were created by, again, the military industrial complex. So Bongino, Kash Patel, who was advertising on their shows when they had their shows, who was funneling them money.

1:48:26 Speaker 1: And that's always why I say, go follow the money. The documentary that I did, Stop Feeding the Grifters, I actually brought up Dan Bongino. And I pointed out the fact that one of the advertisers that he has on his show also advertises on left shows. like the Bulwark and Sam Seder. And one of the reasons why these advertisers do that is because they're simply just buying your anger. They're buying your attention. They don't give a shit about who wins the arguments because these arguments are kayfabe.

1:48:53 Speaker 1: The person who books the wrestling match doesn't give a shit who wins the wrestling match. They care about you buying the merch. And only when you start buying more merch for John Cena, then you do Rey Mysterio. Does John Cena win the title from Rey Mysterio?

1:49:06 Speaker 2: Yep. It's all pulleys and levers.

1:49:10 Speaker 3: Yeah.

1:49:10 Speaker 1: And just to, again, I kind of want to just touch on real quick. I brought up Paul Vallée and Michael Kino before in that Mine War Doctrine. They were the ones who wrote it. Paul Vallée was a talking head at Fox News when he retired from the military and then went on to be one of the contributors to how Turning Point USA was formed and built into the powerhouse that it is. And if I'm correct, he's still involved with Turning Point USA. He was heavily involved in Q and himself was in Anon along with Michael Flynn and all of these other guys were tied into the military.

1:49:45 Speaker 1: It's the same exact thing that I'm talking about. They're buying your anger, they're buying your distrust, and they're using it against you. And most of the time it's pro wrestling. It's kayfabe.

1:49:56 Speaker 2: But what happens when it's not and someone like Charlie Kirk gets publicly executed?

1:50:04 Speaker 1: So let's look at the Kirk executions.

1:50:07 Speaker 3: Right.

1:50:08 Speaker 1: And I'm not here to say whether he was killed or not. I don't know. And whether like to me, it looks like he was killed. Candace Owens will tell you that he wasn't. There are people that will tell you that he was in on it and that it was a thing that went off in his neck and he didn't.

1:50:21 Speaker 2: Say he wasn't.

1:50:23 Speaker 1: Oh, there's a ton of nonsense about the Kirk thing. Candace is is is pushing that that he wasn't. killed, I believe, by Tyler Robinson, that he was killed by Israel or French Freemasons or something like that. And I've seen other conspiracies to where it was a patch on his neck that was fake blood, like in the movies where he didn't really die. I don't know if that one's Candace. They're all nonsense. So again, it's you're arguing about the event itself. And regardless of whether Charlie died or not, what happened afterwards is the exact same thing that you're seeing, which Erica Kirk was appointed to an Air Force board shortly after.

1:50:59 Speaker 1: You see Turning Point raising money off of it and basically blowing up to where they've created this fake fighting on the right between Candace and Erica Kirk, even though they're essentially, and even if the fighting is real between the two of them, it does the same thing and it creates a distraction where people are getting so caught up in the salacious nonsense that is going on with the people, they forget that what lies underneath that? Well, what I'm, what I was asking, that is the war in Iran.

1:51:28 Speaker 1: Right.

1:51:28 Speaker 2: Well, what I was asking was essentially, do you think that Charlie was in the way of a war in Iran? Because he was very much against, you know, you, you talked about turning point being embedded, you know, Charlie say what you want about him, but he had his beliefs and he stuck to them. He was against war and,

1:51:54 Speaker 2: He seemingly didn't want Turning Point to become the very thing that... I just don't think that he wanted Turning Point to be this government lever. Could Erica have been introduced to him on purpose? I don't like to get conspiratorial, but it seems like Charlie might have been in the way of the endgame.

1:52:20 Speaker 1: It's possible. Or he could have been in on it. And my point is, it doesn't matter which one it is. Because if you're arguing about that, you're completely missing what the end game actually is in the first place anyway. So whether he was in the way of it or whether he was helping push it forward, it still happened. The infrastructure underneath it still exists. And it still created a distraction for people to allow them to put focus elsewhere.

1:52:45 Speaker 2: Well, then, yeah, they fought. They fought. Because if there were people celebrating it, there were people that were devastated by it, of course. It's our generation's JFK.

1:52:56 Speaker 1: To me, what it felt like was a message from the.

1:52:58 Speaker 2: Deep state saying, at any moment, not only can this get really real, But we can take back power. It felt like a message that we're all getting a little bit too riled up. And it seemed like they wanted us to be put back in our place and go back to keeping your head in the sand. I don't know if it's had that effect, so to say.

1:53:38 Speaker 1: Well, look at what's happened since it's happened. Trump got reelected. In the first 10 days of his reelection, he created the Genesis Mission, which allowed artificial intelligence and these companies basically to run unchecked for like 10 years where they can't be regulated. It's created, again, multiple situations, whether it be Iran or what happened in Venezuela or Greenland, where we're zapping up these resources while at the same time we're telling people that there's an artificial God and that superintelligence exists.

1:54:07 Speaker 1: It happens at the same time where he's creating all these distractions, renaming everything after America or renaming it after himself. In doing exactly what you were accusing his interns, whoever runs the White House Twitter account of doing. It's not just the Twitter interns who are doing that. That's every facet of his government does that. It's all a distraction. He's there to be a distraction. He's there because people have.

1:54:37 Speaker 2: He's there to be the heel.

1:54:38 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, exactly. Or to be a baby face, depending on what your opinion is.

1:54:43 Speaker 2: Yeah, who you are.

1:54:44 Speaker 1: I tend to think he's there simply to just distract people. He is a hell of an entertainer, regardless of whether you like him or not. He is entertaining. And people put their focus on him the same way they put their focus on whether it be like a Candace or a Tucker or Joe Rogan. It's we choose to be entertained by people for the most part, as opposed to creating our own environments. And I think that's part of how we end up with the world that we're in, because instead of researching these things, we allow other people to shape our opinions.

1:55:16 Speaker 2: Yeah. So before we wrap, there's something I wanted to, there was one last thing I wanted to get to. So yeah, like you said, you've kept this whole thing free, self-funded and without an email list, of course. What do you think that choice has done to protect you from

1:55:42 Speaker 2: being labeled something?

1:55:44 Speaker 1: Who gives a shit if I'm labeled that? I don't care. That's the thing is I don't think people get is I don't care. I'm here because there's A message underneath the person who's saying it. If I go away tomorrow and this message gets even stronger, I'll fucking be the happiest person alive.

1:56:02 Speaker 2: Right?

1:56:02 Speaker 1: Because then I don't have to do any of this. I don't really want to be a public figure. This isn't the 80s where you can be a rock star and do a ton of cocaine and party with chicks and nobody's going to notice. Everything is filmed. There really is no.

1:56:15 Speaker 2: Ask Michael Batista, guys.

1:56:17 Speaker 1: Yeah. By the way. I'm 40 now. So like those are the things that I would have wanted when I was 20. And I actually wanted to like be in this industry and want to do this. Like now the only reason why I'm doing this is because I genuinely think that there's a sliver of hope. I think there's information overload right now on the Internet. You have. a population of people who are desperately searching for answers. And I think if I can get to enough of them and explain what I've explained today, and they hear it from someone who wants nothing from them, but for them to go dig and steel man through everything I'm saying, it creates someone who's very different than the dynamics that are shaped this ecosystem, where whether it be at the top, people who are getting paid like Joe Rogan, $ 250 million on Spotify, or these smaller podcasts, where shows like I went on a show Thursday night and the kid who interviewed me was a very nice guy, but he had gold advertisements and like all of these things that I'm calling out is grifts in the stop feeding the grifter documentary.

1:57:14 Speaker 1: Like he has all these advertisements on his show. And like, I don't think that like, I don't think he's like part of the military industrial complex or like he, the fact that he even had me on a show, it's like clearly he, either didn't know any better or is just someone like you who's willing to have conversations with people they might not necessarily agree with. But the point is, it's still part of an ecosystem that exists because you look at the people at top, like Joe Rogan, and you think you have to do what they're doing to get there.

1:57:41 Speaker 1: So if you, like me, don't have any motivation to get there, I don't want to get there. I just want people to hear this. I don't give a shit if it's from me. I don't care if people steal everything that's on the engine or steal my videos. I don't give a shit about any of that. I very simply just want a better world. I want critical thought to be something that's not foreign to the average person. I want us to be a functioning society of people who view each other like passengers on a ride. of whatever this journey is, as opposed to, again, people that are constantly trying to one-up and sell each other things and trying to be at the top of a power structure that doesn't need to exist in the first place.

1:58:24 Speaker 1: So again, I hope I answered your question.

1:58:28 Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you think about a guy like Nikola Tesla?

1:58:33 Speaker 1: Stuff, again.

1:58:35 Speaker 3: Do you think he had the right idea?

1:58:37 Speaker 1: I think the perception that Tesla is like this guy who wanted free energy and was trying to do the right things is certainly one that ignores his eugenics fakes.

1:58:54 Speaker 1: And again, I don't think any of us really has it figured out, including me. I'm sure there's a lot of bad that I've said or done, or maybe I'm wrong on some of this stuff, too. So I would like to think that Tesla was a good guy. I would like to think that he wanted to do the right things. But there's also some weird shit there. And then there's also the fact that we live in a time where the national databases are controlled by criminals. And have been controlled by criminals for years. So there's something called retrocausality, which means that the past can change the future and the future can change the past.

1:59:27 Speaker 1: And that's great in time travel movies. But in the real world, what that means is that when you have access to a national database and you're the military industrial complex, you might not want the general public to know X, Y, and Z about a certain situation. You can create a world of either fake retrocausality, like the Trump time travel stuff with Tesla and his Or you could just simply delete the information if no one knows that it exists. Again, I hope I'm not getting too crazy here by saying that.

2:00:01 Speaker 1: I don't think I am, right?

2:00:02 Speaker 3: No, no, no.

2:00:05 Speaker 1: I think that's more believable than time travel is the fact that people will edit and manipulate information the same way that people, when they're being assholes, manipulate someone's Wikipedia page to say that he likes feet and that he eats his own shit or whatever they do. to whoever they're trying to attack. Like it's, I look how easy a Wikipedia page can be manipulated. Like the Jim Carrey death hoax. Do you remember that like a year ago? Yeah.

2:00:27 Speaker 3: Yeah.

2:00:28 Speaker 1: That's just the perfect example of retro cause Allen. And eventually it gets figured out and it gets deemed as fake, but imagine a situation to where it's something that it's a lot more obscure than a celebrity that we can prove is real because he's still alive. Right. So imagine something more obscure, like the Baron Trump books. That were written by Ingersoll Lockwood. And please tell me if anyone has a copy of that that owned a copy of that before 2016 or 2015. I would love to meet you and see that copy.

2:00:55 Speaker 1: And I'm not talking about the ones that are in the national databases of the national libraries. I'm talking about an actual human that sold that book before 2015 or 16. Because these are the type of things that keep me up when I think about shit like this. And how easy the human mind can be sighed up by a military industrial complex who has access to things that the general public might not even think of needing to understand to know if they're being sighed up.

2:01:20 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what's funny is I just did a couple shows on like Mandela effects and a guy was talking to me about, I was talking to me about, what is it, Gibraltar and geographical Mandela effects. And he said that he remembers Gibraltar being an island, but in this reality, it's actually a peninsula.

2:01:51 Speaker 3: It's not an island.

2:01:53 Speaker 2: And he did show me some books that have it listed in a book of islands. And it was predate, like the date on the book And then you had VHSs that kind of alluded to the same thing. And it was all like, but even that to a degree could be like faked. You can slap a sticker on a VHS. I didn't see it get put into a VCR and played. I just saw the VHS tape, right? But anyone can fake that or the book.

2:02:27 Speaker 1: Humans are also wrong a lot. Who's to say that there wasn't an error in the book from like 200 or 300 years ago? And we have no way of knowing. We didn't exist then. We weren't alive two, three hundred years ago. We just have other information to cross source with and see. And sometimes that conflicts. Like you look at someone like Archaics, Jason Brashears and his differences that he has with someone like Grant Hancock on the timeline and whether we've existed for 10,000 years or whether we are.

2:02:57 Speaker 1: what Jason says are only 6,000 years old or whatever it is. And like the reality is, is neither one really has any answers. Neither one has any proof, but they're both trying to sell you that they do.

2:03:07 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I would say that like go back to Lee Tepe and Carrie Ann Tepe seemingly prove that we were not hunter gatherers.

2:03:22 Speaker 1: I agree with that, but I don't think that you can necessarily prove a timeline from carbon dating when there are so many issues with carbon dating. And I think that's where Jason's argument comes in. And again, I don't think like I have an answer here, but I don't think either one, whether it be Jason or Graham Hancock necessarily have an answer to that either. I mean, we're as good as the context that we have and the technology that we have available to us. So we have to put a lot of stock and faith in that technology in order to really give that analysis our weight, right?

2:03:52 Speaker 1: And again, this is, this is across the board. This is not just this situation about Quebec. This is essentially everything in life.

2:03:59 Speaker 2: So.

2:04:03 Speaker 3: Oh man, a million doors just fucking open for me. I don't know why.

2:04:07 Speaker 1: Um, I'm sorry. I know that sometimes I can be a mind fuck, man. Like I, I like the rabbit hole stuff. That's why I said before the interview, if you need to like reel me back in and tell me to shut up at points. No, no, no. I don't, I don't do that. I don't do that.

2:04:20 Speaker 2: Um, obviously people I think will, will point to the idea that after world war two, the idea of eugenics was, you know, widely discredited as pseudoscience, but I, I, I, I don't, I don't like those things.

2:04:39 Speaker 3: I don't like that word pseudoscience.

2:04:41 Speaker 1: They discredit and they call it pseudoscience, but yet people like Jack Parsons were, were doing weird experiments out in the desert. God knows what him and, L. Ron Hubbard were doing. I'm assuming it's similar to what happened to Peter Thiel's hot tub, but they made that moon child, right? So they take the occult very seriously. Or how put off in Scientology. Dude, again, they take it very seriously. The people who are at the top of these things take the occult very seriously. So what's to say that they're not just telling us it's pseudoscience because they don't want us diving into the occult because it's very simply an understanding of nature.

2:05:19 Speaker 1: They want us thinking that it's demons and all of this nonsensical stuff that's going to scare the shit out of us because if they have that power over us where they have an understanding that we don't, then they can use that to manipulate us.

2:05:33 Speaker 2: And I honestly, I invite, like, if the devil wants to come have a conversation with me, come.

2:05:43 Speaker 3: Come have a conversation with me. I know my willpower. I know that I'll be able to handle myself on, on.

2:05:53 Speaker 2: But, but until I, until I see the devil, you know what I mean? I, I, I don't really, you know.

2:06:01 Speaker 1: What I mean?

2:06:02 Speaker 3: I just think it's, it's a bedtime story, just like Santa Claus.

2:06:06 Speaker 1: Um, I view it like a subconscious. Yeah.

2:06:09 Speaker 3: Do I, do I think evil exists? So how's a fucking looting?

2:06:14 Speaker 2: I came, I know what evil is. I came home to it most of my life. I came home to either Dr. Jekyll or Hyde. We didn't know which one we were dealing with. So I know what fucking evil looks like. You don't get to tell me. What I need to know is where that evil comes from. And I know it's Halloween and it's the time of believing in all that and really tapping into all that stuff. But what I think, like even talking about witchcraft, even in talking to some of.

2:06:50 Speaker 3: The witches, the current witches in Salem.

2:06:53 Speaker 2: They talk about witchcraft back in the day as being way more holistic and being one with nature, right? More like blessings than black magic. But again, Hollywood and storytelling is really, it's like a game of phone.

2:07:16 Speaker 1: It's fear mongering. It's Alex Jones nonsense. It's the same way he makes his money if you really think about it. It's just fear mongering. It's scaring people off of doing any actual research and seeing things for themselves. And it's funny, you brought up the Salem and the witches. Again, nature. We're talking about nature. We're talking about an understanding of the world around us. And it can either be beautiful or it can be brutal. It is both things. And it is shaped by Our perception of that and our perception creates our reality.

2:07:49 Speaker 1: So I think we can choose what lens we see things through. Even if at times they are brutal, we can try to see the beauty. And that's, again, it's a choice that we make. individually. So you talk about black magic or people say white magic. That's just the choice of your intention. So a tool is a tool. And the intention is what gives the tool its meaning. So whether we're talking about artificial intelligence and LLMs, which are technically magic, Or whether you want to talk about the occult and seances and all this stuff, which, again, come down to meaning.

2:08:28 Speaker 3: So your intent informs the end process.

2:08:34 Speaker 1: Yes, that's my belief. And I think sometimes the subconscious can sneak into the intent. And maybe sometimes where you think you have good intent. You may have bad intent. It's like when you eat acid and you think that you're in a good mood. God, I thought.

2:08:46 Speaker 3: You were about to say something different, bro. Yeah. No. I.

2:08:52 Speaker 1: I'm curious. Where do you think I was going?

2:08:55 Speaker 3: Eat ass.

2:08:56 Speaker 1: Oh, no.

2:08:57 Speaker 3: That's what I thought I heard at first. And then I heard the end and I went, oh, okay.

2:09:02 Speaker 1: I'm happy I'm a married man because I don't have to worry about the new dating world and eating ass. That's so beyond like... God, I'm an old man. I don't know if he's like that. I'm 40. I missed that boat and I'm happy I did. I know enough about E. coli that I'm. Yeah, no, I don't know.

2:09:19 Speaker 3: I've never been a dirt road fan. I'm all good. I thought you said though, and I was like, wait, what the fuck are we talking about?

2:09:26 Speaker 1: Very funny.

2:09:27 Speaker 2: Yeah.

2:09:28 Speaker 1: Eat acid. Yeah. So it's like eating acid. Like you can go into it with good intentions, right? Where you think that you're having a good trip. And the next thing you know, you're bringing up some shit from like five years ago. Maybe you ate a bad ass, some nasty stripper, and you forgot about it. And all of a sudden it's haunting you and you forgot that you never got tested afterwards. So like, I've had some bad trips. I've had some really bad trips to where I've had to face my own demons. And I've also had some things happen in my life where I've kind of dove into the dark night of the soul, the subconscious, the shadow, and had to pull myself out of some pretty dark places to where even entertaining thoughts like this could be a thing as opposed to like, most people get so caught up in like their day to day grind of like their relationships with people and how this happened or how that happened.

2:10:18 Speaker 1: I have a real hard time being involved in like what most people consider the real world. I'm kind of a fucking space cadet. So like, I think that process happened over the course of a few dark nights in the soul and some pretty bad things happening to me and me having to leave essentially the external and travel into the internal and figure out who the person looking back at me in the mirror is and whether I'm comfortable and okay with that person. And I've gotten to a point where I'm very happy with who I am.

2:10:48 Speaker 1: And I think that's essentially needed for not just the individual, but for humanity. And I'm sure there are people in your audience who have done that and are shaking their heads and going, yeah. And then I'm sure there are some people in your audience who are, uh, I have no clue what the fuck I'm talking about by saying that. And like, I had just one more quick thing. I had someone who brought up like the Kundalini experiment to me. Like we were talking about it and like people think that they reach enlightenment and like all of a sudden it's over.

2:11:17 Speaker 1: It's like, no, never ending journey. It's a fire that you have to constantly tend to of like, Yeah, you might figure out some cool things about reality and about like our shared existence and consciousness. But the reality is we all still have to shit, eat, take out the garbage, right? We all still exist in the shared real world together. And if you're constantly detached from whatever this reality is, it's going to be very tough to make it better.

2:11:41 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a very good point.

2:11:44 Speaker 1: Yeah, so like there are people that like think that like just because they've hit this like enlightenment stage or whatever they feel that is that like oh no the rest of things don't matter things will figure themselves out it's like no asshole you have to help us figure that out that's how this works that's.

2:11:59 Speaker 2: A very good point you know the same you know you brought up acid and uh just psychedelic experiences in general like i you know with in respect to like a kundalini experience you know that's the closest i've ever been to a religious moment um and After a few days, the things that you experienced in the psychedelic trip start, I mean, they get less profound with each hour that passes, right? And you start to look at it more like a memory. But I remember feeling that I knew why the wind was blowing the grass.

2:12:39 Speaker 2: And I could see the system that was the trees and the birds and the bugs and.

2:12:46 Speaker 3: The bees and everything. I could see the system.

2:12:49 Speaker 2: So I grew a new respect for that system through an experience that I've had. Again, it was far more profound having the experience, but I still remember the lesson learned.

2:13:05 Speaker 3: So I think that's how we need to look at life, right? Is a series of teachings.

2:13:11 Speaker 1: I think you're right. I had a similar experience. I haven't eaten like acid or smoked DMT in a while. I said this in an interview with Michael Deacon that like I'm at a frequency where I'm very comfortable. So like I don't need to hit that reset button. But the last time I did, I had an experience that was very similar to yours. And it actually drove me into looking at the Ethiopian Bibles. And about the story of Adam and Eve and about how that seems like we've lost whatever quantum connection we had to the earth and nature by Eve eating the fruit.

2:13:43 Speaker 1: And again, I think this stuff is allegory because I think that's where they became conscious. That's where they started having shame, where they covered themselves with the figs. And again, when you start looking at that story, just through the lens of physics, you get What I'm talking about now, it's kind of like there's a connection with nature. We have, but we all don't necessarily respect. And it takes some type of psychedelic for us to really appreciate. But again, it's like a fire. It needs to be tended.

2:14:13 Speaker 1: It goes in and out. And unless we constantly are tending that, it goes away. What was that fruit? What was that?

2:14:20 Speaker 3: What was the root of all evil?

2:14:23 Speaker 1: Root of all evil. Yeah.

2:14:26 Speaker 3: Well, in the Adam and Eve story.

2:14:30 Speaker 1: Oh, it was the tree of knowledge and the tree of life. It was an apple, I believe, was the actual fruit.

2:14:35 Speaker 3: Right. And when you eat the apple, right, you tend to,

2:14:52 Speaker 3: you know, I'll leave it there. I'll leave it there. But I really think that more.

2:14:58 Speaker 2: People need to go experience the world around them and remember why not, you know, a cityscape is, is beautiful, but a mountain, a set of mountain range, there's, it does something different, right?

2:15:16 Speaker 3: Get out of the ambient light.

2:15:18 Speaker 1: We all have our own things, right? I think each individual experience is not shared.

2:15:27 Speaker 2: I fucking love the city. I love the noise. I like the hustle and bustle. But I also love retreating to the woods and I love going to Maine and I like going to Vermont.

2:15:44 Speaker 3: I love experiencing.

2:15:45 Speaker 2: The older I get, the more I appreciate a view.

2:15:50 Speaker 1: I don't know how old you are, but you're going to get to a point where you start birdwatching. That's like, I've hit that. I've gotten it.

2:15:58 Speaker 2: First off, you don't even know. So I'm 33, by the way. I do, I have hit the burn phase already. And anyone who's been to the studio knows most likely that I am infatuated with fucking burns. I have, man, dude, you're just going to set me off with things. I am so into birds that I record them in slow motion, their calls. And I listen back to their calls in like hyper slow motion.

2:16:33 Speaker 3: Dude, there's something there. There's like, it's a, you can.

2:16:36 Speaker 2: Hear the inflections in their calls. And then I have, the birds are my pets here. I have, not as much as my dog, but every morning, part of.

2:16:51 Speaker 3: Our routine now, is filling the bird feeders. The bird feeders are see-through.

2:16:56 Speaker 2: They're attached to my window so that when the birds land on it, I can see them and I can fucking film them.

2:17:02 Speaker 1: Very cool. I do something similar. I have bird feeders outside my house.

2:17:06 Speaker 3: I want to get a bunch more for next season.

2:17:09 Speaker 1: Yeah.

2:17:10 Speaker 3: I have like a bird hotel.

2:17:15 Speaker 1: So I have four feeders that are all next to each other on one post and then four feeders that are next to each other on another post. And I'm in the woods in Pennsylvania, so I have like rabbits that I see all the time. We have a hedgehog that lives under my shipping container. It's the same hedgehog I've had for years.

2:17:30 Speaker 3: My dog.

2:17:31 Speaker 1: I certainly appreciate nature. I really come to respect it after all of this journeying, whatever you want to call it, whatever this is that got me to this point.

2:17:42 Speaker 3: Yeah. So where can people find that search engine? I almost called it a search engine.

2:17:47 Speaker 1: Jesus. In a weird way, it kind of almost is. it's just not like clearly it's not an llm and it's not google but it is in a way a search engine it's matt that's yeah that's where can people find that mo ketchup's.com so that's m-o-k-e-t-c-h-u-p-s.com And on the site is the map itself. You have the predictions and the scorecards, which, again, don't I'm not Oracle. Nobody's an Oracle there. No Oracle exists. It's a bunch of like predictions that were made using physics and trying to. Again, psychohistory is you can predict groups, but if there are enough outliers, predictions change.

2:18:29 Speaker 1: And I'm very, very hopeful that those predictions can change if enough of us are loud enough, long enough, and get a full understanding of what Gallum Theory means. But again, the website, mokechups.com. The articles are there. The videos are there. I would suggest for anybody who's just starting with this stuff to start with the videos and then go to the articles. Everything is free. You can also very simply just put like gray aliens or Elon Musk into the search engine and it will create an entire web of why they matter, the who, what, why, when, how, and where, and then everything that connects to them.

2:19:04 Speaker 1: Or at least every piece that I possibly could connect. Again, one person, I'm not perfect. So there's going to be mistakes.

2:19:09 Speaker 2: And what I like is that you're pulling primary sources mostly.

2:19:13 Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm trying to connect as many primary sources as I can because I just spent an hour and a half or two hours, however long we've been on telling you that people's words mean jack shit and that you should look past them and look into the actual sources of what they're talking about. And then even look past that and go follow the money and figure out the, again, the who, what, where, when, why, and how of all of these things. That's what journalism used to be before it turned into the salacious bullshit that we have now.

2:19:41 Speaker 1: This bottom feeding journalism where you can essentially make any claim without having to have any credible evidence. So I tried to create the way in a way that I was taught that journalism should be done. And again, I'm not a journalism or a journalist. I'm not a researcher. I am not a content creator. I am an idiot in a boxing garage in his boxing ring in his garage who just compiled a bunch of information, has a bunch of questions and wants people to journey with me on this exploration so we can figure some stuff out.

2:20:14 Speaker 1: Okay.

2:20:15 Speaker 3: Well, dude, You've been a really, really fun conversation. This has really been a good time.

2:20:22 Speaker 2: Again, we don't have to agree on everything for us to have civil debate, civil discussion, and be able to shake hands at the end of it and go, yeah, man, I think, you know, as long as we can look at each other and find common ground, that's all that matters.

2:20:41 Speaker 1: I agree. And I thank you so much for having me on. And very simply, if anyone really has that big of a problem with me too, like sign a waiver. I live in Pennsylvania. I got a ring. I got gloves. We can throw hands, knees, elbows, feet. I, uh, again, I'm a very fun guy to like, I'm not saying you, of course, I'm just saying like anybody in your audience, like shit. I'm a very fun guy. Yeah.

2:21:04 Speaker 2: Yeah.

2:21:06 Speaker 3: I'll come spar. I'm down for that. You're not too far away either.

2:21:11 Speaker 1: So open invite, man. I'd love to do this again. So whenever we'll figure it out off there. Yeah. Yeah. All right.

2:21:18 Speaker 2: Everyone else might be listening in the future or join us with that impromptu. I wasn't able to promote it much. I didn't even know if I was going to do this episode live because I had so much editing to do from the Austin thing. I was like, I can't possibly add another edit to it. So I had to go, I had to do this live. But I think that is, it's always a fun medium as well to be able to engage with people in real time, especially in a conversation like this, which is our early time.

2:21:51 Speaker 3: So thank you so much, everybody. Stay humble, stay kind, and.

2:21:56 Speaker 2: Most importantly, stay vigilant. Well, I don't, oh my gosh. I said, I almost said, we probably will see you next time. We will see you next time. Make sure to like, share and subscribe. Oh, this has been a good time.

2:22:15 Speaker 3: Have a good one, guys. See you next.