Congress Briefing PART 2- Dr Eric Davis- Lue Elizondo Avi Loeb & More On The Science Of UAPs & Research

0:00 Speaker 1: Yeah, globe for the Department of Defense, right, anything from

0:18 Speaker 1: UM operations to special LIVESCETS programs and everything else.

0:24 Speaker 2: Christian ben a spirit in.

0:27 Speaker 3: Public engagement, getting the academic community, in the scientific community,

0:33 Speaker 3: everything intelligence community also apply their efforts.

0:38 Speaker 2: And time and talent and resources to this very real route.

0:45 Speaker 4: The next individual is it's Fir Common uh Milk, former

0:51 Speaker 4: senior military officer as well, and it's very senior stafford

0:55 Speaker 4: on the Senate side for the Senate Armament Services community,

1:00 Speaker 4: was instrumental in helping.

1:01 Speaker 3: Get doctor Eric Davis to why classified readings to certain

1:06 Speaker 3: members of Congress.

1:07 Speaker 2: I will say that's not my ways to say.

1:12 Speaker 3: Kirk has been in the shadows for a very long time,

1:14 Speaker 3: and he has been extremely effective in getting this topic

1:18 Speaker 3: at the highest and to the attention of the highest

1:20 Speaker 3: levels of our governments, and that to other administrations as well,

1:26 Speaker 3: not just this one, and the one before the one

1:28 Speaker 3: before that as well. So with that said, there's a

1:32 Speaker 3: whole lot of work and go, and I canst probably

1:34 Speaker 3: half an hour their academic day and their accomplishments, but

1:37 Speaker 3: rather what I'd like to do is spend some of

1:39 Speaker 3: that time instead and allowing them to have a discussion

1:42 Speaker 3: with you here today, some questions. I think Chris Weldon

1:45 Speaker 3: has some presentation like why so I'm going to go

1:49 Speaker 3: to the floor to Chrison Mellon police, welcome.

1:52 Speaker 5: Our new panel.

2:00 Speaker 2: Which like the present, Yeah, it'll come up the MM

2:03 Speaker 2: projectable party.

2:05 Speaker 6: MM I think you live for that.

2:07 Speaker 7: UH over the UH kind of destruction and UH my

2:12 Speaker 7: danks to the to the congressman for taking time out

2:15 Speaker 7: of their busy schedules and be here with us. And

2:18 Speaker 7: everyone else have contributed, especially Jordan Flowers.

2:22 Speaker 8: UH.

2:23 Speaker 7: I just returned from UH South America uh or for

2:27 Speaker 7: about four weeks, and UH promise that I would not

2:31 Speaker 7: work at.

2:32 Speaker 2: Anyth related up the whole time, and got back here

2:37 Speaker 2: and made a quick turn uh all under the weather.

2:40 Speaker 7: It wouldn't have a briefing if it wasn't for UH,

2:43 Speaker 7: for Jordan and UH in his assistance.

2:46 Speaker 5: UH.

2:47 Speaker 2: What I want to talk about, UH is I don't

2:49 Speaker 2: think the public is aware of.

2:51 Speaker 7: The extent of our airspace for her abilities and failures

2:58 Speaker 7: and the degree of which already been exploited and are

3:02 Speaker 7: being exploited today, and the challenge that we face and

3:07 Speaker 7: trying to sort this out. I also want to pivot

3:10 Speaker 7: a little bit based on earlier conversations.

3:14 Speaker 2: I wasn't going to get into this so much.

3:17 Speaker 7: But doctor Lowe talked about spending a million dollars so

3:22 Speaker 7: to adult new sensors and wife information. One of my

3:27 Speaker 7: career frustrations in the intelligence community has been that we.

3:32 Speaker 2: Have incredible sensors.

3:35 Speaker 7: That are far more than a million dollars, and we

3:38 Speaker 7: have a great many of them, and they are collect

3:42 Speaker 7: the information today which is directly impertinent to this topic.

3:48 Speaker 7: But that information is not reaching Congress. It's not reaching

3:51 Speaker 7: the scientific community in many cases, I don't think it's

3:55 Speaker 7: reached Juniero, which is the office that Congress established to

4:00 Speaker 7: study and dialuating this phenomenon.

4:03 Speaker 2: So we could have the first slide plays the system

4:07 Speaker 2: unit the RAM.

4:09 Speaker 7: Yeah, so here's just a little overview of talkinism in

4:13 Speaker 7: the touchdown, which is the word shocking I think is

4:18 Speaker 7: not an exaggeration or hypertal in this case. We really

4:22 Speaker 7: are effectively dated from your standpoint when it comes to

4:26 Speaker 7: these drums. I'll talk in the writer specific examples illustrate

4:32 Speaker 7: that and the UAP.

4:36 Speaker 2: And let me maybe get here.

4:42 Speaker 7: Okay, this is an don't have a straight in front

4:46 Speaker 7: of you, but This is a map of the displays,

4:50 Speaker 7: roughly the coverage provided by something called the solid state

4:54 Speaker 7: phased ray ray or system. These are reportedly the most

4:59 Speaker 7: power fuls on the planet. If there are these civilizations

5:04 Speaker 7: and year by sour systems, they're more likely to do

5:09 Speaker 7: techn these anditters and probably.

5:11 Speaker 2: Anything else in our planet.

5:14 Speaker 7: How many up you guessed if they had a detective

5:20 Speaker 7: and say the last twenty years that have been.

5:23 Speaker 2: Reported to zero zero zero zero, How is it possible?

5:32 Speaker 2: The most powerful reader the writing any about this for years?

5:35 Speaker 2: By the way, recklessly, This is not a new point

5:39 Speaker 2: in trading in Congress.

5:40 Speaker 6: And somebody in.

5:41 Speaker 2: Congress will listen to this if they attention for years,

5:44 Speaker 2: they're purple.

5:45 Speaker 7: Will testify to that in your observices community, like keep

5:48 Speaker 7: going up there ahead every year and say, guys, how come.

5:52 Speaker 2: This second they ever gonn text any wap?

5:53 Speaker 5: How is that possible?

5:55 Speaker 7: These are the most powerful theres on the planet. Look

5:58 Speaker 7: at the area to cover, and oh, by the way,

6:01 Speaker 7: when you look in the area they cover, we keep

6:05 Speaker 7: having reports over and over again from tactical systems and

6:10 Speaker 7: ship's plane.

6:11 Speaker 2: An aircraft in the area is covered by his radar,

6:16 Speaker 2: so each his ships planes flown by.

6:21 Speaker 7: Mister Ryan here and his enable idiator colleagues and others

6:26 Speaker 7: are reporting.

6:27 Speaker 2: Uae UAP hostily in these areas.

6:32 Speaker 5: But somehow these systems never see to see a up

6:38 Speaker 5: How is that possible?

6:40 Speaker 2: How Noid's asking about that? Is this a Chinese balloon

6:44 Speaker 2: situation where all.

6:46 Speaker 7: You need to do is tweet the filters and lo

6:49 Speaker 7: and behold, We're going to breathe in the focus something

6:52 Speaker 7: which is drums or nothing else. They're a vile absolute

6:58 Speaker 7: vile air securities and Indians. We know that in Russia

7:04 Speaker 7: Ukraine today thrones are crossing more cavities in killing more people.

7:10 Speaker 2: Than every weapon system. Right.

7:14 Speaker 7: So this is utterly transform warfare as you know it.

7:20 Speaker 7: Here's a multi billion dollar system, it's up and running.

7:24 Speaker 7: This is the successor of the old ballistic missile early

7:27 Speaker 7: WRINE system.

7:27 Speaker 2: So it's primary launching is the.

7:30 Speaker 7: Detected list of missiles coming over the poles from Russia,

7:33 Speaker 7: China or from our Korea and developed air step solutions.

7:39 Speaker 2: But it also has an issue detecting sea launch cruise

7:41 Speaker 2: missiles and bombers and so forth. So there's a couple.

7:45 Speaker 7: There's one of several possibilities. Either we've spent millions of

7:51 Speaker 7: dollars on a system that's not performing as it should be,

7:56 Speaker 7: or uh, it just you know, they need some tweets

8:01 Speaker 7: and the filters to expand the range of things that

8:04 Speaker 7: reports on a you know, one of the challenges with

8:07 Speaker 7: these systems is to avoid clare right, because they're so powerful,

8:10 Speaker 7: they play so much, they've got to filter it downs.

8:14 Speaker 2: What's being displayed is reasonable and appropriate to the mission.

8:19 Speaker 2: It could be a problem of.

8:20 Speaker 7: That sort, or it's simply so highly classified information is

8:27 Speaker 7: not re genero.

8:29 Speaker 2: I favor the latter. I think that's what's going on.

8:33 Speaker 2: And I think if Igress were to poke hard.

8:37 Speaker 7: On this, maybe get in inspected General will give these

8:41 Speaker 7: possible options or otherwise we'll get to this age they

8:46 Speaker 7: would get some answers.

8:48 Speaker 5: Question, is that data from that system being archived?

8:53 Speaker 2: I believe so.

8:54 Speaker 7: I don't know how far back they go and how

8:57 Speaker 7: how that's a great question. I don't know how far back.

9:00 Speaker 7: And one of the things when you approached Nora about

9:05 Speaker 7: this from the Air Force and you started asking about

9:07 Speaker 7: this data and what are they seeing so right now

9:11 Speaker 7: my understanding is by the way that they don't even tell.

9:15 Speaker 2: Arrow, which was the directors us we appear at for

9:19 Speaker 2: every day.

9:20 Speaker 7: They don't even tell him when they scramble fighter aircraft

9:25 Speaker 7: to conduct intercepts, so they're realy scrambling fighter aircraft.

9:29 Speaker 2: I've talked to an interview on television in Norah.

9:33 Speaker 7: Ad officer told the account of walking into Cheyenne Mountain

9:38 Speaker 7: where he for duty, and everybody was standing on their

9:42 Speaker 7: feet looking at the big screen, and there was a

9:45 Speaker 7: unp coming down from the Arctic on the east coast

9:48 Speaker 7: the United States, and the commander in chief of Nora

9:52 Speaker 7: I said the quote, I want that, and everybody said yes, sir,

9:57 Speaker 7: and they were watching everything we have on the East coast.

10:01 Speaker 7: Couldn't get Europe, couldn't get a radarlock.

10:05 Speaker 2: It disappeared out over in the cellar of a planet.

10:08 Speaker 2: Is that the only time that ever happened?

10:12 Speaker 7: The one time that this nored officer gave this account

10:15 Speaker 7: in the nineteen ninety and the system was much less.

10:18 Speaker 2: People than it is today, and when we've seen fewer things.

10:23 Speaker 7: Than we are today.

10:24 Speaker 2: And if you were in true so we see the airspace,

10:28 Speaker 2: I rather doubt it. This is, by the way, only

10:33 Speaker 2: one of the number of the multi billion dollar systems.

10:37 Speaker 7: They're already employed. They're collecting data that Bear is erecting

10:42 Speaker 7: on this topic. They don't seem to be reporting anything

10:45 Speaker 7: to air, So the air issue to report in your

10:49 Speaker 7: last empori, they said, we don't.

10:52 Speaker 2: Have anything inspects in any Uada space.

10:56 Speaker 7: But they were a forty instances in which ground case

11:00 Speaker 7: orders like civilian airline pilots reported beings far beyond what

11:06 Speaker 7: they called the Carmen line and the hundred thousand feet.

11:09 Speaker 7: It is what they consider outer space for these purposes. Now,

11:14 Speaker 7: there's another system called the ground based Electropical deep space

11:20 Speaker 7: or nay ON system, which is a rate of cameras

11:23 Speaker 7: orcing glow. It does nothing but stare at the nice

11:26 Speaker 7: sky all night long. How about those systems didn't detach

11:32 Speaker 7: with these filots they're talking about. They were looking up saying,

11:36 Speaker 7: I saw these bread lights moving, Etcara Center. Well, there's

11:40 Speaker 7: one of those cameras on top of one of our

11:44 Speaker 7: highest pats and y and it does.

11:46 Speaker 2: Nothing but stare the nice sky, that same nice sky

11:48 Speaker 2: all night long? Did it miss that?

11:51 Speaker 7: It was it a cloudy night? Had any of those

11:55 Speaker 7: cameras ever collected one of these instants? They said they

11:58 Speaker 7: were forty I would think somebody ought to take an

12:03 Speaker 7: inventory and say, you want to know, minch of these

12:06 Speaker 7: surveillance systems is reporting UAP and illventure not and what

12:14 Speaker 7: specifically are they're reported?

12:16 Speaker 2: Take an inventory again, is there is a setting the

12:19 Speaker 2: problem and failure in these systems?

12:22 Speaker 7: The taxpayer is spending billions of dollars other than we

12:25 Speaker 7: would want to know that now interest then we regard

12:28 Speaker 7: from the GI system. I on one occasion at a

12:33 Speaker 7: colleague who is visiting for a sort of routine oversight

12:38 Speaker 7: purpose many years ago, and I said, why you're there,

12:42 Speaker 7: why don't you ask it if they ever seen.

12:44 Speaker 2: An e strange?

12:47 Speaker 7: I didn't want to say why, That's what I was

12:50 Speaker 7: a walled to, and he knew what I was talking about,

12:53 Speaker 7: so he asked the question, and sure, this is a

12:56 Speaker 7: month before on that one occasion when the question was asked,

13:02 Speaker 7: they had indeed collected photographic imagery or was four or

13:07 Speaker 7: five objects moving through the nice sky information traveling in

13:12 Speaker 7: parallel to the Earth Service.

13:15 Speaker 2: I don't know that the question has.

13:16 Speaker 7: Ever been asked since that was probably twenty years ago.

13:21 Speaker 7: I find it part of belief that in all that

13:24 Speaker 7: time that they haven't collected anything relevant to this question,

13:29 Speaker 7: and I don't understand why that data is not getting error.

13:33 Speaker 2: I don't know if anyone.

13:34 Speaker 7: Has again has you've got a checklist and make sure

13:39 Speaker 7: that when Congress issued this directive and said you're going

13:43 Speaker 7: it's a reporting requirement. Now everybody needs to report this stuff.

13:47 Speaker 7: It needs to go to the Air Force and needs

13:48 Speaker 7: to tilt down through the commands. Is anything coming back

13:52 Speaker 7: off from the system that these people even know they're

13:54 Speaker 7: supposed to.

13:55 Speaker 2: Report and is there any reporting of that kind going on?

14:00 Speaker 7: There's another system called the space based infrared system multi

14:06 Speaker 7: billion dollar systems again in the unclassified domain. What I'm

14:10 Speaker 7: talking about here, there's quite a bit you know, additionally

14:15 Speaker 7: that is painful by.

14:16 Speaker 2: The attackerary of is verment.

14:18 Speaker 7: It's a very robus system with satellites and multiple orbits,

14:23 Speaker 7: highly elliptical orbits, geospatial orbits, very high decision.

14:29 Speaker 2: It's looking for infrared and ye kinds of events.

14:34 Speaker 7: As far as I know, they have a decade orford

14:38 Speaker 7: eras zero UAP instance. Okay, maybe nothing happened, maybe they

14:46 Speaker 7: haven't seen anything.

14:47 Speaker 2: But it does make you wonder. In this case, it's

14:51 Speaker 2: particularly strange things.

14:53 Speaker 7: We know there are dozens of not hundreds of UAPs,

14:59 Speaker 7: is happening within the areas that this system is supposed

15:03 Speaker 7: to provide coverage.

15:05 Speaker 2: For example, Beings Tennis incident.

15:08 Speaker 7: Occurred excuse me, almost directly in front of the radar

15:11 Speaker 7: and dew Air Force Base right off the.

15:14 Speaker 5: Coast, and this went on for about a week or so,

15:19 Speaker 5: and you had.

15:19 Speaker 7: Objects zenning from sixty thousand feet and back up.

15:24 Speaker 2: So I don't think anyone.

15:25 Speaker 7: Could say, well, they were so small and they were

15:27 Speaker 7: so close to the water. It wasn't what they arranged

15:29 Speaker 7: the radar. These things were very high and this was

15:35 Speaker 7: going on on a sustaining basis.

15:38 Speaker 2: So my suspicion is now, I understand that that data

15:42 Speaker 2: could be highly classified. I could understand why it might

15:46 Speaker 2: not be the call of domain. What I can't understand

15:50 Speaker 2: is why ARROW does not seen to be aware.

15:53 Speaker 7: Of this data, I mean this, and why the appropriate

15:56 Speaker 7: congressional committees do not seem to be aware of informed

16:01 Speaker 7: of this right realistically, expect the me wing to happen

16:05 Speaker 7: because I'm raising this year.

16:07 Speaker 2: No, because I've been doing this for years, but what

16:10 Speaker 2: the heck, we're here mine as well. Try let's go

16:17 Speaker 2: on to the next line.

16:20 Speaker 7: So we have an incredible series of events that had

16:27 Speaker 7: been happening. Our Oden article a year ago to this

16:32 Speaker 7: month called Who's operating the drones plaguing the US military?

16:38 Speaker 7: And it did actually get read by a producer for

16:43 Speaker 7: sixty minutes who subsequently did the piece which featured several

16:49 Speaker 7: four star officers who in fact confirmed what I was discussing.

16:55 Speaker 7: An alleging of the article.

16:58 Speaker 2: With regard to the days the career land of the

17:01 Speaker 2: Air Force Base at Elsbury is truly shocking.

17:05 Speaker 7: Here's the air combat to the end, which is supposed

17:09 Speaker 7: to be protecting these gentlemen. And this is the issue

17:13 Speaker 7: where we're sitting in Capitol Hill, in the White House,

17:17 Speaker 7: in the US government and they can't protect their road airspace,

17:22 Speaker 7: they have to move our cutting edge. You have plenty

17:26 Speaker 7: fighters squading to a dating base from the airports space.

17:31 Speaker 9: And this is going on for they forget how long

17:36 Speaker 9: it was a couple of weeks roughly, and we're talking about.

17:43 Speaker 2: Strange craft right lights.

17:47 Speaker 7: During over the space making it unsafe to fly night

17:52 Speaker 7: after night after night.

17:55 Speaker 2: And to this day we have no idea where they

17:58 Speaker 2: were coming from.

17:59 Speaker 7: We don't know they capabilities felt who was controlling them.

18:03 Speaker 7: And that remains true not just for that base and incident,

18:08 Speaker 7: but for numerous on the bases. So the first incident

18:12 Speaker 7: and the war zone and the rat sores from the

18:15 Speaker 7: LSS topic violated to rigor boarding. Twenty eighteen and one,

18:21 Speaker 7: we've installed a one point five billion dollars anti ballistic

18:27 Speaker 7: missile system and these brightly lit small crafts show up.

18:34 Speaker 2: They go right to the dead missile battery and.

18:37 Speaker 7: There shining bright lights down on it when the photograph,

18:42 Speaker 7: and this happens two nights in a row.

18:44 Speaker 2: So back in twenty eighteen it wasn't as.

18:47 Speaker 7: Apparent as it is now. But obviously those drums could

18:52 Speaker 7: have been weaponized. They could have easily taken in a

18:54 Speaker 7: battery out and dissirated the ballistic missile devent on our

19:00 Speaker 7: leading facilitating the facility. Not to mention the fact I

19:05 Speaker 7: just went to that Google Maps this morning and checked

19:08 Speaker 7: that airbase, and that air base land Landleams of the

19:13 Speaker 7: others has very few harden shelters.

19:18 Speaker 2: So those multi hundred million dollars aircraft that.

19:22 Speaker 7: Are on the runway could easily be destroyed by drones.

19:27 Speaker 7: They're positing what a few thousand bucks Okay, that's how

19:31 Speaker 7: overable we are. Then in twenty nineteen we began to

19:39 Speaker 7: see this activity off the coast of the United States

19:42 Speaker 7: in California, and I'll read a will excerpt from one

19:47 Speaker 7: of those reports.

19:50 Speaker 2: USS Paul Hamilton observed free as.

19:53 Speaker 7: With the post winter pros approximately two hundred yards off

19:57 Speaker 7: the bow port and starboard being they have a on

20:03 Speaker 7: time station or approximately two hours and twenty minutes.

20:08 Speaker 2: So if you if you have children and you have.

20:12 Speaker 7: Drones at home, you know that they usually or have

20:15 Speaker 7: a maximum time of about twenty minutes. These round station

20:20 Speaker 7: for two hours and twenty minutes, sixty eighty miles off

20:24 Speaker 7: the shore and not apparent where they put the launch

20:28 Speaker 7: from what their total twell time was.

20:32 Speaker 2: In the anti UAS systems on the shift were ineffective.

20:37 Speaker 2: They're bringing them down. The first UAS Spotify.

20:40 Speaker 7: Lookouts had two forty observed with a simple white way.

20:46 Speaker 2: They want to report others within five hundred yards. When

20:50 Speaker 2: you bring four and a half the.

20:53 Speaker 7: Four white lights and the frosting redway, they're not trying

20:56 Speaker 7: to be slide, They're not trying to be plant us

21:00 Speaker 7: approximately two hundred yards above the ship.

21:03 Speaker 2: Again, the new bring right around the ship back into

21:06 Speaker 2: work up and down.

21:09 Speaker 7: They went to the bridge of the ship where the

21:12 Speaker 7: powerful search light or photographic device. So they actually have

21:16 Speaker 7: had cases where they go right up to the bridge

21:18 Speaker 7: and ship and shine a bright lighting on the captain

21:21 Speaker 7: of the senior growth.

21:23 Speaker 2: That's how.

21:26 Speaker 7: Over and provocativeness is and that apparently reflects their degree.

21:32 Speaker 2: The comments that we can't inter's up to them and

21:34 Speaker 2: bring them down.

21:36 Speaker 7: Whoever it is is operating. That same year, we began

21:39 Speaker 7: to see them around their power plants in twenty twenty,

21:44 Speaker 7: very strange situation out west. This went on not just

21:50 Speaker 7: for weeks, this went on for months. It wanted to

21:54 Speaker 7: be least densely populated as a slide and kind of

21:58 Speaker 7: shows them maybe it's back Roberbly. The part of the

22:01 Speaker 7: region we're talking about here, Yeah, eastern Colorado and western Oklahoma,

22:09 Speaker 7: so we're talking about farmland. I drove out of Lesgo's

22:13 Speaker 7: Tea Lass winter and drove kind of through the area.

22:16 Speaker 7: It is incredibly sparsely populated. There is very very very

22:24 Speaker 7: little there, and yet these drums were operating in groups clusters,

22:29 Speaker 7: as many as forty drums at a time. They formed

22:33 Speaker 7: a uh. This was so extensive and there was so

22:37 Speaker 7: much eventual furre rags among themers and farmers that they

22:43 Speaker 7: formed a task force involving the FBI, Department of Old

22:48 Speaker 7: in Security, local Wine Enforcement. They deployed a special plane

22:53 Speaker 7: and the government of California authorize it had.

22:56 Speaker 2: Sensors on it.

22:57 Speaker 7: And this continued to occur, and we never found out

23:02 Speaker 7: where these things were coming from us operating them. I

23:05 Speaker 7: called a sheriff there and spoke to him about it

23:09 Speaker 7: and told me the fascinating story.

23:10 Speaker 2: He said he was actually the definitely sheriff. The sheriff

23:13 Speaker 2: was also witnessed.

23:15 Speaker 7: They respond to a call and there were a group

23:18 Speaker 7: of these lights over this farm, and a brighter light

23:24 Speaker 7: came in a larger lay and the smaller lights went

23:27 Speaker 7: inside of it, and it took off in an extreme

23:31 Speaker 7: velocity and passed almost directly over the sheriff and the debut,

23:38 Speaker 7: and he told me, I've never seen anything move that past.

23:41 Speaker 2: He's also in the military reserve, this individual.

23:46 Speaker 7: So in that report, by the way, you called it

23:51 Speaker 7: a ownership, it's not just the story that I happened

23:55 Speaker 7: to hear. If you look at the documentation from art

23:59 Speaker 7: a saw and special engaging yet guys at work you'll

24:02 Speaker 7: see reallydocumentation of other bases.

24:05 Speaker 2: That refers to a motor ship.

24:08 Speaker 7: So this is actually well documented, very strange, and very concerning.

24:16 Speaker 2: We don't know what it's in a regulary airspace and its.

24:20 Speaker 7: Continues often and militarily sensitive areas twenty twenty three.

24:26 Speaker 2: Arizona Test Ranges.

24:28 Speaker 7: You've heard about language, but we do a lot of

24:32 Speaker 7: flying in the Southwest flying conditions or grade.

24:35 Speaker 2: It's a replaced for the Air Force. We have more

24:38 Speaker 2: Air Force base is there and some of.

24:41 Speaker 7: The strange things we're seeing in the number in the

24:46 Speaker 7: rating frequency business is happening is extraordinary. So this includes

24:54 Speaker 7: now your average room is you're strengthed to a flight

24:57 Speaker 7: a four.

24:57 Speaker 2: Hundred and fifty feet. We've got they have threety.

25:01 Speaker 7: Five and have twenty two in this case every fives

25:05 Speaker 7: they're encountering drones at fifteen thousand feet, seventeen thousand feet,

25:11 Speaker 7: thirty five thousand feet going five hundred miles per hour.

25:19 Speaker 2: In restricted military airspace.

25:23 Speaker 7: Meanwhile in an adjacent area, and I included in my

25:26 Speaker 7: parkpoint breathing. You can find videos from the Department of

25:31 Speaker 7: Homeland Security, nine of them about some of the strange

25:35 Speaker 7: things that they're.

25:36 Speaker 2: Seen on the border, very very odd things.

25:41 Speaker 7: Now, this raises a little bit of an issue that

25:44 Speaker 7: I've written about recently, also.

25:47 Speaker 2: With the hope that it might improve some assistance to

25:51 Speaker 2: this task.

25:52 Speaker 7: Force, which is, why is it that Deparment of Homeland

25:55 Speaker 7: Security you can coverish all these videos like A and

26:00 Speaker 7: DRD can't. There was a hearing of poor Congress of

26:06 Speaker 7: here's what mister Ray from the Navy, and he said,

26:08 Speaker 7: I assure you, I'm going to review these videos and

26:12 Speaker 7: make sure that we get out to you in the

26:14 Speaker 7: public everything we can. I think maybe there's been one

26:20 Speaker 7: video in three years since then. When I have looked

26:24 Speaker 7: into this and talked to people at different persons the

26:27 Speaker 7: general government and ERA support.

26:28 Speaker 2: They basically said, nobody feels it's their job.

26:34 Speaker 7: To turn this over into public Nobody wants the Navy

26:37 Speaker 7: effort to submit it from public release. So back in

26:41 Speaker 7: twenty seventeen, I provided three unclassified videos to the New

26:48 Speaker 7: York Times. You've all seen those, gimbal clear, dass right.

26:54 Speaker 2: There are a lot more like that.

26:56 Speaker 7: They just haven't been released because shortly after that created

27:00 Speaker 7: a classification guy, we suddenly said the contradictions the Executive

27:06 Speaker 7: Board or a classification signed by the President, did anything. Essentially,

27:11 Speaker 7: anything happy to do with up is now suddenly listically

27:18 Speaker 7: classified because of my damage a security. Even though those

27:22 Speaker 7: screw videos, the FBI, the Office of Special Investigations there

27:28 Speaker 7: was investigated in find they were classified. Not only did

27:32 Speaker 7: they not damage mass security and they helped nation scurity,

27:35 Speaker 7: they helped raise an awareness for the public hires that

27:39 Speaker 7: we have the air France from here and the.

27:43 Speaker 2: Scientific community is very eager to get more.

27:46 Speaker 7: Of those kinds of videos because they want to train

27:48 Speaker 7: the eye systems, They want to know what it is

27:51 Speaker 7: we're looking for, they want to know the signatures. There's

27:54 Speaker 7: a lot that can contribute to this, but the bureaucracy

27:59 Speaker 7: is not as fun and I think there I couldn't

28:03 Speaker 7: put a number on it, but I believe that if

28:06 Speaker 7: someone were to poke that system and for starting to

28:11 Speaker 7: review that classification guide, if someone were to establish some

28:15 Speaker 7: advocacy for taking that which is truly unclassified. And admittedly

28:23 Speaker 7: absolutely there are many things videos that would be our

28:26 Speaker 7: brogram is classified. Not questioning that, what I am saying

28:30 Speaker 7: is that there are others that fall into this camp

28:33 Speaker 7: that would have value to the public, value in Congress,

28:37 Speaker 7: value to the scientific community.

28:40 Speaker 2: And this is not an expensive proposition.

28:44 Speaker 7: It's just a matter of getting somebody to focus on

28:48 Speaker 7: it and put these through the process. And I think

28:54 Speaker 7: the public not only has a right to know, I

28:57 Speaker 7: think it's beyond that. I think there's a is there's

29:01 Speaker 7: a utilitary function. There's great value in the public milling

29:06 Speaker 7: this information. Value to the scientific community in having this information.

29:13 Speaker 7: I could give the example sometimes of what happened was

29:17 Speaker 7: I promised, I'm going to get off the stage real fast,

29:21 Speaker 7: so I'm sorry. I'm just trying to flow into my

29:24 Speaker 7: own stock here that I get into. But this spotting program,

29:31 Speaker 7: I have no doubt. If they couldn't have kept it secret,

29:34 Speaker 7: the CIA would not have told the very eval the

29:36 Speaker 7: Russians had a satelliteed order, and we wouldn't have had

29:41 Speaker 7: the space program when we did.

29:43 Speaker 2: We wouldn't have gotten the mo MO we did, because

29:46 Speaker 2: the people wouldn't have gotten fired up and said, oh

29:49 Speaker 2: my god, this is not acceptable.

29:51 Speaker 7: That the Russians were ahead of us, and we need

29:52 Speaker 7: that in Congress of Action, and it was, uh, you

29:58 Speaker 7: know it actually ironic. We ended up collaborating with the

30:02 Speaker 7: Russians in space and it actually helped, you know, facilitate

30:05 Speaker 7: some peaceful developments and relations. I think there are a

30:09 Speaker 7: lot of benefits along those lines that they could approve.

30:16 Speaker 2: But he's going to.

30:17 Speaker 10: Take some uh some effort and a part of Congress,

30:25 Speaker 10: I think, to compel this to happen, and it's going

30:29 Speaker 10: to happen.

30:30 Speaker 7: So with that, I will close and thank our impressional

30:34 Speaker 7: sponsors for taking an interest in this and giving us

30:39 Speaker 7: the opportunity to express our concerns and share what the

30:46 Speaker 7: what we've learned us far about this problem.

30:49 Speaker 2: Thank you.

30:51 Speaker 5: Question me up and the stuff that you know, the

30:57 Speaker 5: stuff that you've.

30:58 Speaker 2: Seen, well, there's some that I've seen it and I've

31:02 Speaker 2: asked about in any thing.

31:03 Speaker 7: There's one video I've seen that they're going to declassify, and.

31:11 Speaker 2: I hope that happens. It wasn't for it was it

31:15 Speaker 2: was four K.

31:15 Speaker 7: It was more like what you've seen, you know, is

31:19 Speaker 7: infrared sensor gun camera video along lines of what the

31:23 Speaker 7: New York Times published in the Washington Post subsequently. So

31:29 Speaker 7: it's that kind of video from that sensor system.

31:35 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

31:36 Speaker 2: And by the way, we are at a point now

31:40 Speaker 2: where the arrow has received.

31:46 Speaker 7: Somewhere in the neighborhood of eighteen hundred military reports.

31:54 Speaker 2: Eighteen hundred in just the last few years.

31:59 Speaker 5: I had.

31:59 Speaker 2: Some of those are iPhone videos, So I don't think

32:02 Speaker 2: there's a big sources of that position there. There's there's

32:07 Speaker 2: a idea somewhere from you know, it's like you get

32:11 Speaker 2: the best five and singlers ownership with the video that, uh,

32:15 Speaker 2: there's got to be a number in that mix. They

32:20 Speaker 2: couldn't be the deal.

32:21 Speaker 7: And beyond that, as I said, I think there's a

32:24 Speaker 7: lot of high caliber sensor data.

32:29 Speaker 2: The American people were in pain for the committee of

32:31 Speaker 2: these sensors. They're out there, many of them, and they're

32:34 Speaker 2: collecting data.

32:36 Speaker 7: Hobby is doctor What was benefited from the data added

32:40 Speaker 7: to with the re editry of the other cellar people,

32:43 Speaker 7: there's a great example of the task fairer one system.

32:46 Speaker 7: They contributed to science in a very meaningful way.

32:51 Speaker 2: I hear you tell you. I think there's a lot

32:53 Speaker 2: more of that kind of thing. They couldn't be made available.

32:56 Speaker 7: If someone did a thorough spend of the censor systems

33:01 Speaker 7: that we have and one they're collecting and took a

33:06 Speaker 7: hard look at the.

33:07 Speaker 2: Classification issues we also had a system.

33:10 Speaker 7: This is UH precedent once where the clayers for both

33:14 Speaker 7: warming some scientists, so that this is classified data relating

33:19 Speaker 7: that scientific problem set and that's conceivably and other it has.

33:24 Speaker 7: But it's problems with that because scientists want to be

33:26 Speaker 7: able to publish it. Of course they want.

33:28 Speaker 2: Their collegies to be able to see everything possible.

33:31 Speaker 7: About the sources. But there were a variety of opportunities

33:34 Speaker 7: I think we're missing. At the same time, there is

33:37 Speaker 7: a huge financial security issue here and we've got stuffed

33:42 Speaker 7: in our skies some of the pig representatilzable surprise that

33:47 Speaker 7: we need to find out about it. You've got these

33:52 Speaker 7: systems at thirty five thousand feet that's a mile higher,

33:55 Speaker 7: and talking about Everest for than five hundred miles an hour.

33:59 Speaker 2: In the student the wan here to space, I would

34:02 Speaker 2: saying no.

34:03 Speaker 3: Wrong, Well, d Chris Justice, if you don't have the

34:17 Speaker 3: advantage of height that you do, so I have to

34:20 Speaker 3: this away.

34:23 Speaker 2: I think Chrismians have a very good point.

34:26 Speaker 3: And the reason why I decided to share this photograph

34:29 Speaker 3: with you take them from a civilian pilot now is

34:32 Speaker 3: because the same challenge is that our pilots and military

34:36 Speaker 3: pilots were facing as to whatever reported, Who's going to

34:40 Speaker 3: analyze it?

34:41 Speaker 2: What do you do with the information?

34:43 Speaker 5: Multiply that for the civilian aviation community, do.

34:47 Speaker 3: The reports to the FAA, the reports more maybe the

34:51 Speaker 3: air Force, the marganization. Who's responsible for getting this information? Again,

34:56 Speaker 3: let me talk about this is not embedded, This was

34:59 Speaker 3: take advices while but once again, you think this information would.

35:05 Speaker 2: Be important for some I need to look at.

35:08 Speaker 3: Certainly someone in the government, certainly some some of our

35:11 Speaker 3: representative are sitting here right this.

35:14 Speaker 2: These are over sense of the military installations. Whose are they?

35:18 Speaker 5: What are their capabilities?

35:19 Speaker 2: What are the intent? Right?

35:22 Speaker 3: But enough to be right now, let's let's let's go

35:24 Speaker 3: on to our second guys were here, Uh mister Kirk McConnell,

35:32 Speaker 3: you say here all day. Once again, these guests services unblievable. Kurt,

35:38 Speaker 3: question is treating that maybe we all script here for

35:40 Speaker 3: a minute. You have a deep expertise and experience with

35:44 Speaker 3: the Center Armed Service as the committee, what is right

35:48 Speaker 3: now the greatest challenge you see for our Congress to

35:54 Speaker 3: tackle this topic on behalf of the American people?

35:57 Speaker 2: What is that you had to narraw down to one

35:59 Speaker 2: and of the three challenges especially.

36:03 Speaker 3: For us here that are sitting with us here today

36:05 Speaker 3: so patiently, what would be in your restaurant of the

36:09 Speaker 3: three greatest challenges facing Congress?

36:11 Speaker 2: Time to stop.

36:14 Speaker 11: Wow, I would speculate, I'm not at a LinkedIn potitional

36:19 Speaker 11: you know you're back there, let's go on.

36:23 Speaker 2: Your blafe or together that.

36:28 Speaker 5: I certainly don't want to speak for Congress. Uh, you know,

36:31 Speaker 5: I I do want to mention that I did serve

36:34 Speaker 5: for seven years as a staff member on Capitol Bill for.

36:39 Speaker 12: Center on Services Committee in both the House and Center

36:41 Speaker 12: of Intelligence committees.

36:43 Speaker 5: I was not in the military. Got that wrong, But

36:48 Speaker 5: so I've been up here a long time, but I

36:51 Speaker 5: had no voting colors.

36:54 Speaker 13: Another, I have feminious respect for the institution, and I

37:01 Speaker 13: intend to reveal sort of inside video baal information.

37:06 Speaker 5: But you know what I would say is, on topic

37:10 Speaker 5: like this, my sense is that Congress needs a lot

37:14 Speaker 5: of confidence to be pushed.

37:16 Speaker 12: Really vigorous to me, and where are they going to

37:20 Speaker 12: give that confidence that there is an absolute assurance that

37:25 Speaker 12: there's some reality peria And I think as much evidence

37:30 Speaker 12: as has been accumulated in the public domain over such

37:34 Speaker 12: a long period of time it is subject to as

37:39 Speaker 12: a question, and we all know how that.

37:41 Speaker 5: Has preceded over period of decades.

37:47 Speaker 12: The key to this, in my opinion, is firsthand sources

37:51 Speaker 12: who can testify to direct.

37:53 Speaker 5: Involvement in this so called legacy program of crash retrievals

38:00 Speaker 5: coroverse engineering.

38:02 Speaker 12: Unfortunately, there are people out there, I believe from many

38:08 Speaker 12: for us, that.

38:10 Speaker 5: Are interested in coming forward and.

38:13 Speaker 3: Telling their story, but they are very much intimidated.

38:17 Speaker 5: And parting about doing that.

38:21 Speaker 12: They're afraid of the consequences, including their own personal safety

38:27 Speaker 12: is but they relate their personal safety.

38:30 Speaker 5: Certainly their career starting with their security appearances, which is

38:34 Speaker 5: the means that they have to have nay of living.

38:38 Speaker 12: And they have observed some folks who have come forward,

38:44 Speaker 12: not to mention you, Lou and Dave.

38:46 Speaker 5: Rush and I have seen.

38:49 Speaker 12: What those folks have gone through, and most of them say, yeah,

38:54 Speaker 12: I'm not doing that.

38:56 Speaker 5: So I think we're sort of inn tough it situation.

39:00 Speaker 5: It's almost like.

39:02 Speaker 12: You know, past twenty two, we need we need more,

39:06 Speaker 12: uh more primary sources. But it's hard to get people

39:12 Speaker 12: with that kind of uh that kind of information to

39:15 Speaker 12: come forward because of the of the fear of retaliation

39:19 Speaker 12: and we need a better whistle glow. Certain that's uh

39:23 Speaker 12: something that I'm sure, as you know, always been discussed

39:26 Speaker 12: in both send.

39:27 Speaker 2: And don't you drawing me something up really tired?

39:31 Speaker 12: Yes, sir, so uh whistle blow of protections is uh

39:38 Speaker 12: and and you know, finding ways that even uh uh

39:42 Speaker 12: uh compensate them if.

39:43 Speaker 5: They do uh have uh negative uh consequences from coming

39:48 Speaker 5: forward uh and so forth. So I I certainly uh,

39:52 Speaker 5: I certainly think this is uh. This is a main

39:55 Speaker 5: a major, a major factor. I would just let should

40:00 Speaker 5: ask the master questom as well.

40:03 Speaker 2: Actually christ it.

40:05 Speaker 14: Yeah, so there was I came preparing the address that

40:09 Speaker 14: issue as well, and yeah, I came compared to contribute

40:15 Speaker 14: what I could into that question as well.

40:19 Speaker 2: But the classified session was canceled.

40:23 Speaker 7: I did due to the sensitivity of the names of

40:27 Speaker 7: the individuals and and so forth.

40:34 Speaker 2: You know, I didn't think it was.

40:36 Speaker 7: Appropriate to these ones I could do in an unclassified setting.

40:40 Speaker 7: If they did reschedule a classified setting, I think I'm

40:45 Speaker 7: really happy to try to provide some some specifics. I

40:50 Speaker 7: publish a Sigma message I received from a very senior

40:55 Speaker 7: government official. He described a specific secretary of the Air

41:00 Speaker 7: Force memorandum. He described a specific recovery site. He described

41:07 Speaker 7: he gained the Air Force aid keeper the program, Uh,

41:14 Speaker 7: nobody can Congress did asked.

41:15 Speaker 2: Me to follow up on that.

41:16 Speaker 7: I have all that information, you know, I was very

41:21 Speaker 7: sure of what I could about that, but I don't

41:25 Speaker 7: know that it would be definitive or need an inclusion.

41:29 Speaker 7: But I do think those names, do you know, privacy

41:34 Speaker 7: concerns of the individuals, and so obviously it's pretty sensitive.

41:37 Speaker 7: So I'm prepared frightnolical with that as I can as well.

41:42 Speaker 7: But in this session I wanted to address some of

41:46 Speaker 7: these other issues would be in classification.

41:49 Speaker 3: You ask a general question to either of you, what

41:51 Speaker 3: are the consequences and either open financial, what are the

41:54 Speaker 3: consequences of Congress not taking national this topic.

41:58 Speaker 2: From a national situation?

42:00 Speaker 8: R H.

42:05 Speaker 12: Well, the you heard doctor Eric Davis expressing expressing his

42:17 Speaker 12: understanding of the state of affairs in.

42:20 Speaker 2: This arena, which namely which which is.

42:24 Speaker 5: That the program, the legacy program called that has has

42:31 Speaker 5: has been sort of stalled that.

42:35 Speaker 2: We're not we're not.

42:37 Speaker 5: Making the best use of allegedly not making the best

42:41 Speaker 5: use of the best minds in the country.

42:45 Speaker 12: The compartmentalization allegedly has prevented the kind of coordination and

42:52 Speaker 12: collaboration between.

42:56 Speaker 5: Scientists to really uh you know, practice very difficulty instead

43:03 Speaker 5: of a physics problem.

43:06 Speaker 15: And UH, and I'm sure that the security element that's

43:11 Speaker 15: had to be applied to this UH to this UH

43:14 Speaker 15: activity has come with.

43:17 Speaker 16: A lot of costs in terms of effectively managing the

43:21 Speaker 16: managing the program.

43:23 Speaker 15: And it is alleged that this even extends within the

43:27 Speaker 15: executive branch.

43:28 Speaker 12: The very senior UH leaders in the executive branch hard

43:33 Speaker 12: aware of this and are not the.

43:37 Speaker 17: You know, managing the So UH, it doesn't it's not

43:42 Speaker 17: a leaf or stretch to to suppose that we're hampering

43:48 Speaker 17: ourselves thensely by this continued.

43:55 Speaker 5: Compartmentation.

43:58 Speaker 12: And certainly Congress does not know whether this activity is

44:03 Speaker 12: being managed appropriately. We don't know if it's got to

44:07 Speaker 12: write a lot of the resources, it's got to write

44:09 Speaker 12: management structure, the writing sentives and so on and so forth.

44:15 Speaker 5: You know, we think our government can work pretty well

44:18 Speaker 5: when we're.

44:18 Speaker 16: When we're managing things according to the rules, and so

44:26 Speaker 16: I think that this is this is a detriment and

44:30 Speaker 16: national security.

44:32 Speaker 5: The lack of oversight and.

44:34 Speaker 12: An awareness it's certainly possible to keep appropriately classifying.

44:39 Speaker 5: Things classified and still have the fact that oversight and

44:44 Speaker 5: management both in the executive.

44:45 Speaker 2: Branching and to speaking of.

44:50 Speaker 3: Giving a national security and secrets classified, we try to

44:55 Speaker 3: completely agree with their own very specific regions why you

44:58 Speaker 3: want to keep certain aspects of the topic classify sources

45:01 Speaker 3: And maybe it's for the capabilities, But.

45:04 Speaker 2: Let me this question, probably for for you, mister Melton,

45:09 Speaker 2: in your opinion, one of its balment.

45:13 Speaker 5: I'm trying to well.

45:18 Speaker 2: Because the fact I'm not hearing it tied up to

45:20 Speaker 2: make up first very man.

45:25 Speaker 3: To casual and too blacks trying to be more formal

45:28 Speaker 3: here at Chris, you're one of the consequences of retro

45:33 Speaker 3: actively classifying information previously unclassified. And are you aware of

45:40 Speaker 3: any specific instative of information or data that.

45:44 Speaker 2: Was what's unclassified that is now classified. Well, as I

45:50 Speaker 2: mentioned earlier, I think there's piles of that stuff.

45:55 Speaker 7: And I think there's so much of it is kind

45:57 Speaker 7: of hurry the engage with the kinds of talk, because

46:01 Speaker 7: my understanding is that they adopted the classification Guide's basically

46:06 Speaker 7: says anything and everything to do in the UAP.

46:10 Speaker 2: Is classified. Herefore now the people have to read the

46:13 Speaker 2: executive or may not be aware.

46:16 Speaker 7: Executive where he says, when in doubt, you should err

46:19 Speaker 7: on the side of going unclassified. It airs you're supposed

46:25 Speaker 7: to err on the side and transparency.

46:28 Speaker 2: And opens to the American people. And we're talking about

46:32 Speaker 2: many of these videos.

46:35 Speaker 7: If eighteen at clear already video is unclassified in twenty seventeen,

46:43 Speaker 7: and we're not talking.

46:44 Speaker 2: About denied area or some other unusual.

46:46 Speaker 7: Exception, how can it be classified two years when you

46:51 Speaker 7: take the same video from the same system in the

46:53 Speaker 7: same area two years later.

46:55 Speaker 2: I don't get it.

46:57 Speaker 7: But that most like what they did, and the ways

47:01 Speaker 7: is typically you know, I argued pre siperiously against the design.

47:05 Speaker 2: I knew some of the.

47:06 Speaker 18: People involved, and trying to make the argument of that, guys,

47:10 Speaker 18: you wouldn't even be here, We wouldn't be having a

47:12 Speaker 18: good discussion if information had.

47:16 Speaker 2: Got into the public domain via Congress and the press.

47:21 Speaker 2: And that's why we made the progress we made the data.

47:25 Speaker 2: Now I didn't want to drop with her and that everything.

47:28 Speaker 2: What do you you know what? I don't get it, so.

47:32 Speaker 7: I can't really gauge the implications. But I didn't think

47:35 Speaker 7: you're negative and I think is is inappropriate.

47:38 Speaker 2: I think it's probably unlawful.

47:42 Speaker 3: My last question here before we move to a very

47:45 Speaker 3: short break from the next panel members of a respectful

47:48 Speaker 3: time of both the professional members and of course our

47:52 Speaker 3: panels as well.

47:54 Speaker 2: This next question goes to you, cur.

47:59 Speaker 3: You mentioned a little bit huscle lowers, and I know

48:01 Speaker 3: that's from my understanding, you don't have to talk about

48:05 Speaker 3: it by that you received classified readings before.

48:08 Speaker 2: On this topic from specific subject matter extroverts and the

48:11 Speaker 2: mir collegies.

48:13 Speaker 3: What can Congress do, specifically, members such as repros and

48:17 Speaker 3: re recol their colleagues.

48:20 Speaker 19: To better protect muscle blowers, consentivize individuals to come forward

48:27 Speaker 19: and provide a minimum unclassified information in a way that

48:32 Speaker 19: they don't have to worry about retribution their careers and

48:36 Speaker 19: perhaps course and classified information in the proper veny.

48:40 Speaker 2: What what can Congress do to.

48:45 Speaker 3: Help improve that flow of information and minimize their prizes

48:49 Speaker 3: that some of us.

48:49 Speaker 2: Have have faced in the past.

48:54 Speaker 5: I would I have the first life to say that that.

49:00 Speaker 12: There is an option, like people who do come forward

49:04 Speaker 12: and want to talk to.

49:07 Speaker 5: Committees in Congress don't have to go public.

49:12 Speaker 12: They can and have come to the Armed Services Committees,

49:18 Speaker 12: the Intelligence committees, and in inconfidence on a classified basis

49:27 Speaker 12: have related what they know and what their experiences.

49:30 Speaker 2: Can the members who have who have.

49:37 Speaker 12: Perceived that kind of of stores and accounts and witness

49:43 Speaker 12: statements haven't protected.

49:46 Speaker 5: The identity of such people and they have they have

49:53 Speaker 5: thereby and retirement then did.

49:57 Speaker 20: The negative side of that is that the members uh

50:02 Speaker 20: can't go around and tell their colleagues, uh what they what.

50:08 Speaker 12: They have learned, because that's that risks the identity of

50:13 Speaker 12: people that have come forward in the continent. And therefore

50:17 Speaker 12: it doesn't it doesn't empower members to then uh proselytize

50:23 Speaker 12: and get everyone geared up to really make this wrong

50:29 Speaker 12: investigatory clutch, but it is it.

50:33 Speaker 5: Is an option, uh, for for people to consider.

50:38 Speaker 12: I would also say that you have a gentleman here

50:43 Speaker 12: in an audience who has.

50:47 Speaker 5: Conducted legal history of people who come forward to make

50:56 Speaker 5: classify statements to Congress for a long period of time, and.

51:04 Speaker 12: He tells me that he can't find an instance where

51:08 Speaker 12: someone coming forward and giving the classified information to Congress

51:13 Speaker 12: without sort of.

51:14 Speaker 2: Formal permission from me taking the branch.

51:18 Speaker 5: That there's never been. I hope I'm getting this right.

51:21 Speaker 5: There's never been an indictment or much less prosecution for

51:26 Speaker 5: doing that.

51:28 Speaker 12: Now, I certainly I'm a lawyer, and I certainly don't

51:32 Speaker 12: want to encourage people to to sort of break the

51:36 Speaker 12: rules as they see as they understand them and what

51:39 Speaker 12: they're bound to by agreements that they sawn.

51:44 Speaker 5: But it is at least something to think about and

51:51 Speaker 5: potentially hacked on. It obviously takes a lot of courage

51:55 Speaker 5: to do that.

51:58 Speaker 7: I just say that it will good to not sector

52:00 Speaker 7: or our panels coming to an end, and I didn't

52:03 Speaker 7: want to make.

52:04 Speaker 2: It, I'm sure. Instrument only have to wich is that

52:07 Speaker 2: we have two different issues here.

52:09 Speaker 7: We have up objects that were observing in play active

52:16 Speaker 7: around a military solicitor. We have an issue of possible

52:21 Speaker 7: recovery of UT materials. These two issues of a public

52:26 Speaker 7: mind are funded. It's entirely impossible that we might not

52:30 Speaker 7: have recovered materials. But you may bear very real and

52:34 Speaker 7: here addressing and its encouraging issue. And I have a

52:38 Speaker 7: concern that if that issue is not in some way

52:43 Speaker 7: validated or address, it runs the risk of discrediting the

52:47 Speaker 7: entire topic. And we've made enormous progress. Nothing happened essentially

52:54 Speaker 7: from Google Gage until twenty seventeen, and I fear that

53:00 Speaker 7: if there is in some effective way of addressing this,

53:05 Speaker 7: it will be run risk of a major setback.

53:08 Speaker 2: I don't know how secure Hero is in the Walker room.

53:12 Speaker 7: Not seeing interest on the part of the chairman of

53:15 Speaker 7: the committees that fund it on your arm services and

53:19 Speaker 7: intelligence ems.

53:20 Speaker 21: They don't seem to be.

53:22 Speaker 7: Engaged or supportive at this point for defensive props. So

53:26 Speaker 7: I think we're in a similar tanguous ground hurt point.

53:29 Speaker 7: I think It's probably a better position to address this

53:31 Speaker 7: than me. But I think that the second day involvesment

53:35 Speaker 7: is worrying from it. Then how do you manage that

53:38 Speaker 7: it deals with that. It's such a transformational issue that

53:45 Speaker 7: it cannot be a press release that comes out from

53:48 Speaker 7: a you know, from Congress some afternoon at Friday afternoon

53:54 Speaker 7: or something.

53:55 Speaker 2: It's a literally cosmic issue that runs the risk of

54:03 Speaker 2: how they are terrifying tens of billions hides of blions

54:07 Speaker 2: of people.

54:07 Speaker 7: Right, So it's a very complex and related set of issues,

54:13 Speaker 7: and I think we and whoever in Congress is writing

54:19 Speaker 7: oversight of this, I really needs to think through how

54:22 Speaker 7: to handle two of those things, and our foundation obviously

54:28 Speaker 7: wants to help if we can, but if I don't

54:33 Speaker 7: think it's a tough challenge.

54:34 Speaker 2: For members were very, very busy people with a lot

54:38 Speaker 2: on their place in the complex room.

54:40 Speaker 5: I'm gonna make an exception.

54:42 Speaker 2: I'm gonna continuous conversations. There's a question I would ask

54:45 Speaker 2: user inportant relationship.

54:46 Speaker 5: With their actions, he's going to hurt well. I wanted

54:49 Speaker 5: to get to.

54:50 Speaker 22: The questions and actually ask them about with the little protections.

54:54 Speaker 5: And I am by no means an.

54:57 Speaker 12: Expert or even really in convers uh on the topic

55:02 Speaker 12: of whistle lower protections.

55:05 Speaker 5: But you know, applying to common sense can understand. You know,

55:11 Speaker 5: you need to you need to have h we need

55:15 Speaker 5: to have a legislation that it really is strong.

55:20 Speaker 6: Uh.

55:21 Speaker 5: You know there's a long record of whistle blowers despite

55:26 Speaker 5: whistle lower protections in the law.

55:28 Speaker 15: Uh, they get to ever talking agains and they they

55:34 Speaker 15: lose their jobs, they lose their careers.

55:37 Speaker 23: And.

55:39 Speaker 5: Uh it happens with enough regularity that no one could

55:43 Speaker 5: blame people for not wanting not wanting your business. So

55:48 Speaker 5: the legislation would need to be would need to be

55:51 Speaker 5: very robust, and I think it would need.

55:53 Speaker 22: To include things like restitution, the possibility of of of

56:00 Speaker 22: uh the government making good on the loss of loss

56:05 Speaker 22: of their.

56:06 Speaker 16: Career, loss of security clearances if if it comes to that,

56:10 Speaker 16: and UH and and making uh you know, making making

56:14 Speaker 16: sure that.

56:16 Speaker 5: That people are not going to you know, suffer these consequences.

56:25 Speaker 24: Even though the loss said that they should never have

56:28 Speaker 24: suffered consequences. You got you got clean up the mess,

56:31 Speaker 24: uh that it depends to happen. So anyway, I H

56:38 Speaker 24: I don't know myself for those so well.

56:40 Speaker 3: Last question I alway said before we can break the

56:43 Speaker 3: ruder real quick and actually very quickly is try to.

56:46 Speaker 2: Pretende questions, but try to keep the succeeds to begin

56:50 Speaker 2: for both you and I think this is part of

56:54 Speaker 2: the challenge of conversations. Okay, so you have we all

56:57 Speaker 2: want to technical security.

56:59 Speaker 5: How do you.

56:59 Speaker 3: Separate protecting blue force technologies perhaps perhaps hypothetically gained from

57:06 Speaker 3: the insights of UAP recovery programs, but at the same

57:11 Speaker 3: time letting with the American people about the reality, the fundamental.

57:15 Speaker 2: Reality that we aim.

57:17 Speaker 3: We do not have any current understanding whatever you inter

57:19 Speaker 3: shy right, are us are to mean awareness? For you know,

57:22 Speaker 3: I could beat site measure and true that there maybe

57:25 Speaker 3: technologies that are not from us, and that warrant further investigation.

57:32 Speaker 3: Again at the same time, protecting if we have any

57:35 Speaker 3: technologies hypothetically that have been developed as a.

57:39 Speaker 5: Result well Blue.

57:42 Speaker 25: You know, we heard from doctor Davis and many others

57:47 Speaker 25: who believe that we haven't.

57:48 Speaker 5: Madeenance progress.

57:51 Speaker 2: With respect to.

57:52 Speaker 25: Deciphering what the physics are behind an ax on in

57:57 Speaker 25: these crafts that are coming here. At the same time,

58:01 Speaker 25: I mean, we don't really know that that's true.

58:04 Speaker 5: We haven't any proms.

58:05 Speaker 12: Maybe we make great environments and and that we have

58:09 Speaker 12: stuff ourselves that could be it couldn't be pretty morals, right.

58:16 Speaker 5: And certainly there can be absolutely vital reasons for protecting

58:23 Speaker 5: that kind of information.

58:26 Speaker 12: I mean, one thought that is across my mind is,

58:31 Speaker 12: you know, people say, you know, the the United States

58:33 Speaker 12: government has been into this.

58:35 Speaker 5: Why in the world wouldn't the government have.

58:39 Speaker 12: Made these kinds of the technologies known for the betterment

58:42 Speaker 12: of our citizens.

58:44 Speaker 5: And remain in cond And you know, one thought is like,

58:48 Speaker 5: what if once you understand the science, what if the engineering.

58:53 Speaker 5: I know, Eric Davis thinks that we're you know, we're

58:57 Speaker 5: maybe a thousand years from being able to do this.

59:00 Speaker 5: But but what if that's what if it's not true?

59:03 Speaker 12: And what what Either the government is on the horns

59:05 Speaker 12: of a dilemma, like it's got energy sources that might

59:09 Speaker 12: be an.

59:09 Speaker 25: Absolutely boons of mankind, but it also is looking at

59:12 Speaker 25: the weaponization of that and it's terrifying.

59:17 Speaker 12: And so you know, geez, there are a way that

59:19 Speaker 12: you can exploit that for your own benefit militarily.

59:22 Speaker 5: But keeping this uh uh, keeping this thing somehow this

59:27 Speaker 5: genie bottled up.

59:29 Speaker 12: Where it's done come into the hands of a of

59:33 Speaker 12: a North koreandictator. So I don't have answers, I h Lou,

59:40 Speaker 12: I think, I think you've got to deal with this, uh,

59:44 Speaker 12: this range of of of possibilities.

59:49 Speaker 5: But the first thing you got to do is understand it,

59:51 Speaker 5: like we have to. We have to understand what the

59:53 Speaker 5: government knows.

59:55 Speaker 12: And until we do, it's gonna be hard to develop

59:58 Speaker 12: a rational strategy from.

1:00:00 Speaker 5: And I don't know, Christo, I.

1:00:05 Speaker 2: Don't think I didn't imagine.

1:00:09 Speaker 23: That much.

1:00:11 Speaker 5: A rate.

1:00:13 Speaker 2: Had eager to get off the stage a three minutes,

1:00:18 Speaker 2: thank you very much for we don't.

1:00:44 Speaker 26: Resist, as.

1:01:01 Speaker 5: Rich waits yeah at seats.

1:01:50 Speaker 6: Both weeh.

1:02:08 Speaker 11: Anybody who's standing up these take your seats unless you

1:02:13 Speaker 11: are a part of.

1:02:19 Speaker 2: So f folks.

1:02:20 Speaker 3: UH, let me first extend my sincere appreciation and thank

1:02:24 Speaker 3: you for going patience.

1:02:26 Speaker 5: As you can see, we could probably.

1:02:27 Speaker 3: Stay all day with just one channelist alone, lots of discussion.

1:02:31 Speaker 3: We are barely discussed from the service here. The next

1:02:36 Speaker 3: discussion is really gonna be part of a scientific discussion.

1:02:40 Speaker 3: So the two bands you have here are experts in

1:02:43 Speaker 3: their own fields uh and and recognize as a as

1:02:48 Speaker 3: a vobal leader in their particular expertise. So what I'd

1:02:52 Speaker 3: like to do versus introduce miss Anna bringing s to

1:02:56 Speaker 3: s founding partner at American d Tech former SBA and

1:03:01 Speaker 3: a nation advisor.

1:03:02 Speaker 2: For Kaufmann and pompin development and on the UN Advisory Board.

1:03:08 Speaker 3: But what you may not know is that this ready

1:03:13 Speaker 3: ass is deeply involved with the National Science Foundation, and

1:03:19 Speaker 3: that involvement really includes looking as pioneering new ways to

1:03:25 Speaker 3: invest American talents and scientific talents into new and emerging

1:03:31 Speaker 3: areas of science. Right where do we where do we

1:03:35 Speaker 3: decide to put our money in our effort in the

1:03:37 Speaker 3: next twenty years? Where do we get that we turn

1:03:40 Speaker 3: of investment. What does that look like, right? And how

1:03:43 Speaker 3: do we how do we force ourselves and at outside

1:03:45 Speaker 3: of the box to be creative. Don't invent tomorrow and technology,

1:03:51 Speaker 3: invent the technology after tomorrow. And is that type of

1:03:56 Speaker 3: creative thinking that has traditionally kept this country ahead of

1:04:01 Speaker 3: everybody else? And I asked you too, when she when

1:04:05 Speaker 3: she speaks, this is what she has to say, because

1:04:10 Speaker 3: this is, in my opinion, this is the danger, not

1:04:13 Speaker 3: just in this topic, but any topic requiring innovation. If

1:04:17 Speaker 3: you don't innovate a Saturday, if you don't Saturday and perish.

1:04:19 Speaker 3: That's just a bottom line right in the competitive order.

1:04:24 Speaker 2: The next individual is a.

1:04:26 Speaker 5: Colleague of friend mine, mister Mike.

1:04:28 Speaker 2: Golden, Mister Mike Buld.

1:04:30 Speaker 3: He is President the SILA and International Space Red Wire,

1:04:36 Speaker 3: Member of the NASA Gap Independent SITEAM, Former NASA Associate

1:04:41 Speaker 3: Administrator for Space Policy and purshase form, an Acting Associate

1:04:45 Speaker 3: Administrator for the Office of International and intur Agency Relations,

1:04:49 Speaker 3: and Senior Advisor to the Administrator for International Animal Pairs.

1:04:54 Speaker 3: Former Vice president for Civil Space at max Art Technologies,

1:04:58 Speaker 3: Farmer director of EC Operation into the Business Growth. I

1:05:01 Speaker 3: think at Aerospace, I remember that organ somewhere else and

1:05:05 Speaker 3: that involved them the last reserve, not least as a

1:05:10 Speaker 3: member of NASSA. And I pract to say, a mission

1:05:14 Speaker 3: manager with the Artist games that I've got two.

1:05:19 Speaker 11: Things bongs for the forum, so I want to make

1:05:21 Speaker 11: sure that I'm recovering attorney.

1:05:23 Speaker 5: They would let me close to the priory mission. So

1:05:26 Speaker 5: I was the architect of the Artist of course.

1:05:27 Speaker 11: However, the local partnership is in the four countries exploring

1:05:31 Speaker 11: the wars and gill.

1:05:33 Speaker 2: Excellent and that's it right explored, explored its barns and

1:05:38 Speaker 2: you there is a cyth. There was an estate done that.

1:05:45 Speaker 3: The future of man, man our species, it's not here.

1:05:50 Speaker 3: In fact, if you were to look at the financial opportunities,

1:05:54 Speaker 3: it was estimated that at one times attends eighteenth eighteen.

1:05:58 Speaker 2: Power of money. Is this this world has ever been

1:06:03 Speaker 2: called in all its time as a modern civilization.

1:06:07 Speaker 3: Multiply that by factor of eighteen and that's the value

1:06:10 Speaker 3: of resources.

1:06:11 Speaker 2: And why within the inner asteroid belom resources. So the

1:06:17 Speaker 2: future is there.

1:06:19 Speaker 3: As a microbiologist immunologist, there's form primary director for all

1:06:23 Speaker 3: life systems that you know, and that's to expand. If

1:06:26 Speaker 3: you'll expand, and you will perish. In fact, you can

1:06:29 Speaker 3: look at a bee tradition. If you let the right

1:06:31 Speaker 3: amount of nutrients battery, you will do the same. Take

1:06:34 Speaker 3: a plant, give it nutrients and water, it will grow

1:06:37 Speaker 3: and take over. That is the primary director of all

1:06:40 Speaker 3: life and we are no exception to that.

1:06:43 Speaker 2: So keep that in mind.

1:06:44 Speaker 3: Is these individuals are going to talk to you about

1:06:49 Speaker 3: the importans of this topic, the way you can talk,

1:06:51 Speaker 3: and how it relates to the scientific community, and why

1:06:55 Speaker 3: you say that you have a presentation for turnover verle

1:07:00 Speaker 3: who are two guests or system guests.

1:07:05 Speaker 2: And your appreciation doesn't do these questions answers.

1:07:11 Speaker 5: Okay, why come on up and those thank yeah, yeah great.

1:07:19 Speaker 11: In terms of expansion, I can tell you my doctor says,

1:07:21 Speaker 11: I'm expanding far too much.

1:07:23 Speaker 5: You too, man, a fut of trouble.

1:07:26 Speaker 11: Thank you so much for you, not only for tab

1:07:28 Speaker 11: for all you have done to wish you are a hero,

1:07:32 Speaker 11: as well as the congressman and many others in this room,

1:07:36 Speaker 11: a journalist and the scientists and the advocates violence.

1:07:40 Speaker 5: It's just an honor to be or. I appreciate what

1:07:42 Speaker 5: everyone has done.

1:07:43 Speaker 11: Also, Thanky, Redwater directors, let me out of the meeting

1:07:46 Speaker 11: early though it was a wonderful discussion.

1:07:48 Speaker 5: I think this is going to be a lot more exciting.

1:07:50 Speaker 23: If I could point you to my opening slide that

1:07:53 Speaker 23: is actually an image taken by the Blue Ghost under

1:07:55 Speaker 23: Lander with red Wire Argus cameras.

1:07:58 Speaker 11: I'm going to get in why that is such an

1:07:59 Speaker 11: extort our imagy in a moment, But before we get there,

1:08:03 Speaker 11: we were having a discussion about substances and what these

1:08:09 Speaker 11: new substances with like new materials, what do PED technology

1:08:12 Speaker 11: would be And I've been given the challenging if not

1:08:15 Speaker 11: an end to be able to task and saying how

1:08:17 Speaker 11: could UAP technology impact innovation without knowing quite with that

1:08:22 Speaker 11: and UAP technology is even.

1:08:25 Speaker 5: Fundamentally so what I'd like to try and.

1:08:27 Speaker 11: Me today is give you an example of how micro

1:08:31 Speaker 11: gravity is impact and innovation and really almost every industrial

1:08:37 Speaker 11: field and how that would be transformative. I don't know

1:08:41 Speaker 11: if Ectra trustrial civilizations we're using this, I think they

1:08:44 Speaker 11: likely would be, but I think this is an example

1:08:46 Speaker 11: of how a fundamental ship and technology change everything.

1:08:50 Speaker 23: Our company, red Wire has been conducting experiments on the

1:08:53 Speaker 23: International Space Station on the Space Show for literally decades.

1:08:57 Speaker 5: Can we have a lot of hundreds of experiments of

1:09:00 Speaker 5: in the past thirty five tiers.

1:09:01 Speaker 11: We have a lot of experiments acting on the International

1:09:04 Speaker 11: Space Station right now, more than any other company agency.

1:09:07 Speaker 5: Senator John Lennon putting one of our experiments there.

1:09:10 Speaker 11: The first one I'd like to show you is the

1:09:13 Speaker 11: biofabrication facility of THEFF where grated apt said, red wires

1:09:18 Speaker 11: you can play video please. This is why I'm waighing

1:09:21 Speaker 11: over four hundred pounds payloaded rot table at our facility

1:09:25 Speaker 11: in Greenville, Indiana. Much easier to handle in orbit that

1:09:29 Speaker 11: an astronaut and a cuffs fan working very quickly on

1:09:32 Speaker 11: a coffee at twenty time speed. But he's installing what

1:09:36 Speaker 11: is a biofabrication unit, and that system has allowed us

1:09:43 Speaker 11: to manufacture human tissue in space. It resulted in the

1:09:49 Speaker 11: first human niscus being printed in space. Who needs a

1:09:54 Speaker 11: meniscus probably used two exact This is the impact of microgravity.

1:10:01 Speaker 11: And if you try to create that meniscus on Earth

1:10:04 Speaker 11: and get a recovery attorney.

1:10:05 Speaker 5: So I'm gonna put it simply, it squishes. You couldn't

1:10:08 Speaker 5: do that.

1:10:09 Speaker 11: Your gravity environment's not space per se. It's the lack

1:10:12 Speaker 11: of gravity that allows you to do these incredible things.

1:10:17 Speaker 11: Subsequent to the success we had with the meniscus, we

1:10:20 Speaker 11: printed live cardiovascular tissue.

1:10:24 Speaker 5: And we brought it back from the International Space Station.

1:10:28 Speaker 11: Still lot think what this could mean for people suffering

1:10:32 Speaker 11: from purpsease, the creation of heart patches, and of course

1:10:36 Speaker 11: the goal of all of us is.

1:10:38 Speaker 5: Ultimately to create whole organs in the space.

1:10:42 Speaker 11: How many of us have had franks relatives die while

1:10:45 Speaker 11: waiting on organ donation list.

1:10:48 Speaker 5: This could change all of that.

1:10:51 Speaker 11: Additionally, because we would be using your own stem cells

1:10:53 Speaker 11: to create the tissue the organs, we would avoid the

1:10:57 Speaker 11: dangerous and expensive anti rejection therapies that you go through.

1:11:02 Speaker 11: So we see how to make gravity to get dramatic

1:11:04 Speaker 11: impacts in terms of life sciences. Also pharmaceuticals, red Wire

1:11:10 Speaker 11: has flown twenty eight pill boxes.

1:11:13 Speaker 5: These are systems where we take barmal suiticles drugs fly

1:11:16 Speaker 5: the sea crystals.

1:11:18 Speaker 11: And sea crystals, by the way, the like salur doors

1:11:20 Speaker 11: starting in they're what the drugs are made at.

1:11:23 Speaker 5: And when you create sea crystals and like the gravity.

1:11:27 Speaker 11: They're larger, more uniform, and that results in drugs with

1:11:32 Speaker 11: better efficacy, better wage, fewer side rests.

1:11:36 Speaker 5: Here is an example that is very near and dear

1:11:39 Speaker 5: to my heart. Insulin.

1:11:40 Speaker 11: We partner with Eli Lilly with blue insulin. Over on

1:11:44 Speaker 11: the left side of that, that's when insolent sea crystals

1:11:47 Speaker 11: look like.

1:11:47 Speaker 5: In your great dinner. Over on the right side, that's

1:11:50 Speaker 5: what insulin looks like in space. The sea crystals.

1:11:54 Speaker 11: Again, I'm gonna demus and biologies of high school student.

1:11:57 Speaker 11: Even I can tell the difference.

1:11:59 Speaker 5: That's when you one and the other.

1:12:01 Speaker 11: And because of those margin or beautiful pistols, you could

1:12:05 Speaker 11: have a version of insmin.

1:12:06 Speaker 5: We've seen versions of cancer treatment.

1:12:08 Speaker 11: Drugs that whereas you have to move from chemotherapy that

1:12:11 Speaker 11: will be executive again long painful, you can potentially get

1:12:15 Speaker 11: to a version of the drug of where it could

1:12:17 Speaker 11: be administrative world. So a tremendous difference here relative to

1:12:21 Speaker 11: the pharmaceutical sceptor. And by the way, it's not just

1:12:25 Speaker 11: us gonna know this is China and the Chinese after

1:12:27 Speaker 11: space station.

1:12:28 Speaker 5: They're going after the same research.

1:12:31 Speaker 11: So it's kind of congressmount of the vegans would look

1:12:33 Speaker 11: at the International Space Station place in the commercial space station.

1:12:36 Speaker 11: This revolution with biotech microgravity is going to happen. The

1:12:41 Speaker 11: only question is it going to happen here reworld? Where

1:12:45 Speaker 11: is going to be happening in China? And I do

1:12:47 Speaker 11: not want to be buying my next generation pharmaceuticals and

1:12:50 Speaker 11: drugs from the Chinese. So we need to continue to

1:12:53 Speaker 11: support this in great new developments. But this is just

1:12:57 Speaker 11: life sciences biotech. You get micrograp will impact semi conductors

1:13:01 Speaker 11: the same principles.

1:13:02 Speaker 5: Newform crystals in space. You can create new.

1:13:04 Speaker 23: Types of semit deductors that are more power we're tolerant

1:13:08 Speaker 23: of heat.

1:13:09 Speaker 5: Agriculture, you can create seeds, new types of plants that

1:13:14 Speaker 5: can flourish in the desert. We have a green ass

1:13:17 Speaker 5: that were flying in space. Look you have any of

1:13:19 Speaker 5: that efforts, you see that there.

1:13:22 Speaker 11: We've also had systems with those called ze land fiber,

1:13:24 Speaker 11: where it's a new type of fiber opted that can

1:13:27 Speaker 11: be incredibly more powerful. Again, every aspect of our technological

1:13:31 Speaker 11: society couldn't be changed by this.

1:13:34 Speaker 5: In the nations, the something that UAP are using this

1:13:37 Speaker 5: new substances that there using. I don't know perhaps, but

1:13:40 Speaker 5: you see how this field will revolutionize everything.

1:13:46 Speaker 11: And I believe in the future leaders in minrography will

1:13:49 Speaker 11: not only be leaders in economics, but in national security

1:13:54 Speaker 11: as well.

1:13:54 Speaker 5: As a matter of fact that a business the customer

1:13:57 Speaker 5: for that was the Uniform.

1:13:58 Speaker 11: Services University because the number one injury or a menimal

1:14:02 Speaker 11: men uniform are meniscus teams. Now would like to talk

1:14:06 Speaker 11: about who wants to see some unclassified data? Right, let's

1:14:10 Speaker 11: talk about some imagery that we're getting for NASA. As

1:14:13 Speaker 11: we mentioned, I was proud to be a member of

1:14:15 Speaker 11: NASA's UAP in Depends study team. We had some very

1:14:19 Speaker 11: common sense recommendations. One of which that I testified here

1:14:23 Speaker 11: in the house not too long ago, alongside the great

1:14:26 Speaker 11: Loue Alsano and others, was that we need to go

1:14:30 Speaker 11: into the NASA archives, get the imagery, review.

1:14:33 Speaker 5: It, make it public, and look at what we've got.

1:14:37 Speaker 5: This is an example that hit the internet not too

1:14:39 Speaker 5: long ago.

1:14:40 Speaker 2: Is it taic attack?

1:14:41 Speaker 5: It's on Mars.

1:14:43 Speaker 2: I don't know.

1:14:44 Speaker 11: I'm not qualified to say, but someone should be looking

1:14:47 Speaker 11: at it, and we should be clefting and calling the data.

1:14:50 Speaker 11: Here's what it's even more interesting to me. Lunar for

1:14:54 Speaker 11: rising love.

1:14:56 Speaker 5: This is a phenomena that we first saw with the

1:14:58 Speaker 5: surveyor systems. This is name a glow that we're seeing

1:15:03 Speaker 5: on the horizon of the Moon.

1:15:06 Speaker 11: We saw in the watic surveyors and what you see

1:15:09 Speaker 11: and the other lapt aside are sketches that Apollo astronauts

1:15:12 Speaker 11: made of this phenomena, A glowing dome, streets of light

1:15:17 Speaker 11: shooting it out from the lunar surface.

1:15:20 Speaker 5: Pretty extraordinary.

1:15:22 Speaker 27: And then most recently, this is my cover slide with

1:15:26 Speaker 27: the Blue Boat System, which is Nancy's commercial with the

1:15:29 Speaker 27: Payload Services clips, a wonderful public private partnership.

1:15:34 Speaker 2: To each Moon.

1:15:35 Speaker 11: With red wire artist cameras, we took this image of

1:15:38 Speaker 11: the lunar horizon globe. What you might hear if you

1:15:44 Speaker 11: go on a NASCAD website or talk to the sun

1:15:46 Speaker 11: in the scientific community is that this effect is from

1:15:51 Speaker 11: dust that has been electrostatically charged and then lavitated to

1:15:57 Speaker 11: create this impact. And I would get and I'm not

1:16:00 Speaker 11: saying one way or the other, but doctor I should

1:16:04 Speaker 11: go back in credit doctor man Chest, I'm I'm gonna

1:16:11 Speaker 11: mess up his name.

1:16:12 Speaker 5: I apologize to the slies. But a wonderful professors associated

1:16:16 Speaker 5: with you the disclosure fun and doing work on the stocking.

1:16:19 Speaker 11: Finally, these slides and I can tell you NASA's own

1:16:23 Speaker 11: research lading other systems is putting some big question marks

1:16:28 Speaker 11: as to even.

1:16:29 Speaker 28: If there is enough dust creating as event which looks unlikely,

1:16:33 Speaker 28: and that it dust could be electrostatically charged to cause

1:16:37 Speaker 28: what I mean looks like the second sunrise and.

1:16:40 Speaker 11: That's not the sun by the way, it's below the horizon.

1:16:44 Speaker 11: I mean that is an extraordinary and by the way,

1:16:48 Speaker 11: when I first saw this, pictures like stat al she

1:16:52 Speaker 11: on the moon and what you're seeing is light refraction occurring.

1:16:58 Speaker 5: Due to I don't know, so.

1:17:01 Speaker 12: I don't know what this is.

1:17:03 Speaker 11: Is it a dome't Is it some type of the

1:17:05 Speaker 11: natural phenomena that we don't understand or are a layer of,

1:17:09 Speaker 11: or'll tell you definitely.

1:17:11 Speaker 5: It's an unidentified anomal spin on Bears movie and Bears understandable.

1:17:18 Speaker 5: And this is a good example too of even.

1:17:21 Speaker 11: If it's a natural or rosic phenomena, there's something extraordinary

1:17:25 Speaker 11: current we should be doing as we should be studying

1:17:29 Speaker 11: it and understanding.

1:17:31 Speaker 5: And I'm your chance that does try to out to

1:17:33 Speaker 5: be something extraordinary. I mean, we need to know what

1:17:37 Speaker 5: is current here.

1:17:39 Speaker 11: Additionally, there's another shot probably available from the NASA of archives.

1:17:46 Speaker 11: You've seen some injugy of the triangular uads in the past.

1:17:52 Speaker 5: What's that de breathe.

1:17:56 Speaker 11: Saturdays, that's app seventeen the other picture images from acidity.

1:18:03 Speaker 21: A few of us saw something like that last Friday.

1:18:07 Speaker 5: Extraordinary facts free clans. What is it? I don't know,

1:18:15 Speaker 5: you know, honestly, you know what does? Why are we

1:18:18 Speaker 5: not investigating?

1:18:20 Speaker 11: And what I would ask of our great members of

1:18:22 Speaker 11: Congress here is, again, with relatively little effort and money

1:18:29 Speaker 11: you should be leveraging, aim.

1:18:31 Speaker 5: To go into the NASA archives.

1:18:33 Speaker 11: So much of them is been digitized more every day,

1:18:36 Speaker 11: and conductor of you of what's giving over? We spend

1:18:40 Speaker 11: so much time here it just applied me so talking

1:18:43 Speaker 11: about classified material, what's being hidden? Yet there is a

1:18:47 Speaker 11: treasure trove of data that, if not a smoking gun,

1:18:52 Speaker 11: certainly is fascinating and worth looking.

1:18:55 Speaker 5: At and applying the scientific men to. And these images

1:18:59 Speaker 5: that you're year in.

1:19:00 Speaker 11: Years more, I'm not any more of potentially stone nge

1:19:07 Speaker 11: strain structures on.

1:19:11 Speaker 5: Literre anomalies that look like whos animals. I'm not saying

1:19:15 Speaker 5: necessarily all of these have extraordinary explanations. Maybe some of

1:19:19 Speaker 5: them don't, maybe some of them do.

1:19:21 Speaker 11: But it's certainly this work of the effort to investigate,

1:19:25 Speaker 11: and we're not doing that right now. Why because of

1:19:29 Speaker 11: the stinuma, this pernicious stigma that prevents us from passing it.

1:19:34 Speaker 11: And certain that's where we're going to need your help.

1:19:36 Speaker 5: That if I have any friends and as they are

1:19:38 Speaker 5: interested in this thought, ask me going through delto. But

1:19:42 Speaker 5: they need top over.

1:19:43 Speaker 11: And that's why I'm so grateful to Wan talk more

1:19:47 Speaker 11: about what we're doing. You can ask the mystery or

1:19:49 Speaker 11: coming in and this is any cost a lot of money.

1:19:52 Speaker 11: This could be done for a very low time, very

1:19:55 Speaker 11: laborative get the results could be extraordinary. Finally, is when

1:20:00 Speaker 11: we get back to technology, I just wanted to levels

1:20:02 Speaker 11: it relative to what it takes to travel in space

1:20:05 Speaker 11: three days to the moon, seven to ten months of Mars.

1:20:09 Speaker 5: I can tell you've exploded your radiation very matrip quite dangerous, challenging.

1:20:14 Speaker 11: Seventy seventy thousand years to box in the spinistory our

1:20:19 Speaker 11: closest star, I mean that's worse than the place ninety

1:20:22 Speaker 11: That is rough.

1:20:24 Speaker 5: And then one point seven million.

1:20:27 Speaker 11: Years to get to where we've seen some bio Steuss

1:20:31 Speaker 11: truly going to explore space, We're going to need some

1:20:35 Speaker 11: m technology and you're where he.

1:20:37 Speaker 5: Spent some time discussing the al Hubery warp drive. This

1:20:42 Speaker 5: was a Mexican physicist.

1:20:43 Speaker 11: He did the initial work proving that within demonstrating science

1:20:48 Speaker 11: and for an our days here, but this is non

1:20:50 Speaker 11: extraordinary science that a warp drive could exist.

1:20:54 Speaker 5: The challenge for Aldby's.

1:20:56 Speaker 11: Warp drive is that we're required, Luckily, the mass of

1:21:00 Speaker 11: Jupiter converted into energy to operating. I mean I had

1:21:04 Speaker 11: a Chevy suburban and that was not too efficient. This

1:21:08 Speaker 11: even more difficulty, but of scientists and ads then asking

1:21:13 Speaker 11: he works.

1:21:14 Speaker 5: Tweets basically the architecture.

1:21:18 Speaker 11: And perhaps a thousand ways to get that downs of

1:21:21 Speaker 11: the work, the massive, the ew you.

1:21:23 Speaker 5: Know something that we could work. So these are the

1:21:27 Speaker 5: kinds of technologies that if there.

1:21:29 Speaker 11: Is a gravitic system or some kind of extraordinary technology,

1:21:33 Speaker 11: we must have it in order.

1:21:34 Speaker 5: To traverse those distances and have America and our international

1:21:38 Speaker 5: partners lead in space.

1:21:40 Speaker 11: As additionally energy, I mean, if we are sitting on

1:21:45 Speaker 11: extraordinary technologies, you are point energy.

1:21:47 Speaker 5: The casting are effects we discussed.

1:21:50 Speaker 2: I think it was a good we could do in.

1:21:52 Speaker 23: Terms of saving the environments, improving the economy, creating a

1:21:56 Speaker 23: post Steerski Society.

1:21:59 Speaker 5: It would be ordinary, it would be wonderful. And let

1:22:02 Speaker 5: me just end by saying the reverse of that is,

1:22:06 Speaker 5: we do not want to fall behind China relative leveraging

1:22:11 Speaker 5: explordary technology. I don't know if they're mainly intact out

1:22:16 Speaker 5: there there, maybe there might not be. But can we

1:22:19 Speaker 5: risk falling behind the Chinese reverse engineering if there is

1:22:24 Speaker 5: such a technology. And this is a again where the

1:22:26 Speaker 5: stigma is so pridicious. But I'm sure China has it's

1:22:30 Speaker 5: dopel issials.

1:22:32 Speaker 11: Working on this twenty four seven wordinated whereas us it's

1:22:38 Speaker 11: separating as compartmentalized.

1:22:40 Speaker 5: Is not it team working on it, it's now networking

1:22:42 Speaker 5: on it.

1:22:43 Speaker 11: No, we cannot risk losing communist China because we can't

1:22:50 Speaker 11: take this issue seriously.

1:22:53 Speaker 5: We must not let a lap of vision turn into a.

1:22:58 Speaker 2: Lab for you.

1:23:07 Speaker 3: All right, welcome for the representation folks again times of

1:23:11 Speaker 3: the s and so I'm going to make these sixteen

1:23:14 Speaker 3: as possible if yeah, absolutely.

1:23:19 Speaker 2: Questions actually about that, so at least that does work.

1:23:22 Speaker 8: Well, I just wanted to say I really appreciate my

1:23:25 Speaker 8: all the work you've done microgravity and certainly for you know,

1:23:29 Speaker 8: any of these craft that are both you know, that

1:23:31 Speaker 8: are in space above the MONTRM. They have that access

1:23:35 Speaker 8: to microgravity should they choose to use it. At art

1:23:38 Speaker 8: firm American Deep Tech, we're very focused on a number

1:23:41 Speaker 8: of various of deep technology, including space tech.

1:23:44 Speaker 2: Energy.

1:23:45 Speaker 8: Energy is by in clearly one of our co founder's

1:23:47 Speaker 8: cap with the SPARE and they believe they identified by

1:23:50 Speaker 8: cancer kill switch and I know you've work together. We're

1:23:53 Speaker 8: talking yeah, cancer kill switch in microgravity. So just you know,

1:23:58 Speaker 8: for pharmaceuticals that access us to micro gravity, you see

1:24:02 Speaker 8: aging within nine days and that take a year terrestrially

1:24:06 Speaker 8: for two or of that ability to speed.

1:24:08 Speaker 21: Up net iteration on drug development is very important.

1:24:13 Speaker 8: So we've got some really interesting people that we work with,

1:24:16 Speaker 8: a CTO coming out of NASA, a branch chief coming

1:24:21 Speaker 8: out of Space Sport, some very high growth entrepreneurs. We

1:24:24 Speaker 8: also work with some leaders you know as our advisors

1:24:27 Speaker 8: and venture partners in.

1:24:29 Speaker 21: The UAP space because we see the keys you know,

1:24:32 Speaker 21: of these.

1:24:32 Speaker 8: Areas of technology to drive that abundance, that competitive advantage

1:24:37 Speaker 8: you know, and just societal benefits.

1:24:39 Speaker 21: So people like we're you know, fortunate to.

1:24:41 Speaker 8: Have as an advisor help putof and also to work

1:24:45 Speaker 8: with people like Julia moss Bridge and Bland.

1:24:49 Speaker 21: Graves and Diane than Causin.

1:24:52 Speaker 8: So I know that they are active in so many

1:24:54 Speaker 8: areas of technology but also in up and so how

1:24:58 Speaker 8: did we come in my former roles which which I

1:25:01 Speaker 8: thank you so much for that kind introduction, which I've completed,

1:25:05 Speaker 8: my roles in the US government where I was the

1:25:08 Speaker 8: co chair alongside NASA of the US Space Economy Interagency

1:25:12 Speaker 8: Working Group. We worked with Exceptional Innovation Forward UAP Forward

1:25:18 Speaker 8: and open leaders across the interagency and those meetings are public,

1:25:23 Speaker 8: they're available online.

1:25:24 Speaker 21: US Space Destructor's.

1:25:25 Speaker 8: Day, and that was a day of about you know,

1:25:29 Speaker 8: ten sometimes twelve hours of presentations on in space biotechnology,

1:25:34 Speaker 8: in space, stemic conductors, US launch also UAP also Advanced Consciousness,

1:25:42 Speaker 8: AI communications and satellites. So there was actually interagency leadership

1:25:49 Speaker 8: that HOCO hosted this UAP leading content from NASA, Space Force, d.

1:25:59 Speaker 21: DHAHS, Air Force. These were all very senior people NSF

1:26:04 Speaker 21: and SBA.

1:26:05 Speaker 8: So while I would say that in years past, before

1:26:09 Speaker 8: this great movement for its transparency and gratitude for those

1:26:12 Speaker 8: in the room, what really led that, you know, since

1:26:15 Speaker 8: the twenty seven timeframe and before time has changed, and

1:26:20 Speaker 8: innovation is not about unfortunately because we want everybody to

1:26:25 Speaker 8: come along.

1:26:26 Speaker 21: You know, we appreciate you know those great once you

1:26:29 Speaker 21: get beyond fifty percent.

1:26:31 Speaker 8: Innovation and science are not about a consensus. This isn't

1:26:34 Speaker 8: we don't wait to get to fifty one percent. This

1:26:37 Speaker 8: is the leaders are doing this. The fast followers are

1:26:43 Speaker 8: also doing this. And the reasons why they're doing this

1:26:48 Speaker 8: is because they're sitting in rooms groups of people. We

1:26:51 Speaker 8: had an extended electrodynamics group of leaders from across the

1:26:56 Speaker 8: interagency and also the private sector, and they were working

1:27:00 Speaker 8: on advanced energy, they were working on advanced communications. They

1:27:05 Speaker 8: are funded entrepreneurs well at NSF Public Awards, we funded

1:27:10 Speaker 8: and I funded companies working on what the entrepreneurs later

1:27:15 Speaker 8: described as UP adjacent or UAP inspired technologies.

1:27:21 Speaker 21: One of those actually multiple of those people have spoken.

1:27:24 Speaker 8: Having worked on programs that they can't go into great

1:27:28 Speaker 8: tech about, but certainly others are undertaking that private sector

1:27:32 Speaker 8: research where it's not about being classified first.

1:27:37 Speaker 21: And this but the point on how do you how.

1:27:42 Speaker 8: Do you get your communications back and forth to Mars,

1:27:45 Speaker 8: you know, without dealing with the forty minute latency?

1:27:49 Speaker 21: How do you do that, and are what are the

1:27:51 Speaker 21: approaches for breaking those barriers?

1:27:54 Speaker 8: How do you achieve this energy funds and not more

1:27:57 Speaker 8: efficient launch capability. So it was these conversations on what

1:28:02 Speaker 8: could be achieved and what's already been in some cases

1:28:04 Speaker 8: declassify in terms of work and outcomes or was never classified.

1:28:10 Speaker 8: Really led to conversations where we invited in experts who

1:28:14 Speaker 8: then said, do you want my sended electro dynamics presentation?

1:28:19 Speaker 21: You want my UAP presentation? We said, you know, we'd like.

1:28:22 Speaker 8: Both of those, and so that what that led to

1:28:26 Speaker 8: was receiving that tremendous presentation from how from Charles Chaser,

1:28:31 Speaker 8: from others and saying.

1:28:33 Speaker 21: Actually, can can you give this to more people?

1:28:38 Speaker 8: And so they gave that those types of presentations to

1:28:42 Speaker 8: hundreds of people.

1:28:44 Speaker 21: And what we've found with those entrepreneurs.

1:28:46 Speaker 8: Was this was the highest level of engagement we ever

1:28:49 Speaker 8: gotten any field of science or technology.

1:28:52 Speaker 21: I've seen people in the audience who are part of

1:28:53 Speaker 21: it shaking their heads yes.

1:28:55 Speaker 8: So the entrepreneurs were so eager in scientists to engage

1:29:00 Speaker 8: in the UAP science and technology, and as a frame

1:29:04 Speaker 8: of reference when we talk about disruptive technology, I've worked

1:29:07 Speaker 8: with a few of them, because I've had the opportunity

1:29:09 Speaker 8: to fund around four hundred companies to work with thousands

1:29:13 Speaker 8: of entrepreneurs. Those companies from just a quarter billion a

1:29:17 Speaker 8: quarter billion plus put out have gone on to raise

1:29:20 Speaker 8: eight point.

1:29:20 Speaker 21: Five billion following financing and.

1:29:23 Speaker 8: Seventeen point five billion into marketcap just in the early years.

1:29:27 Speaker 8: That's coming out of a place that the program, who

1:29:30 Speaker 8: is not the UAP program, but a program it is

1:29:34 Speaker 8: catalyzed well over three hundred and fifty billion dollars.

1:29:37 Speaker 21: You know, from well less than twenty probably felve billion

1:29:40 Speaker 21: to put out over several decades.

1:29:42 Speaker 8: So these entrepreneurs, oftentimes these highest growth ones, regardless of

1:29:48 Speaker 8: what they're working, and it can be batteries they're told.

1:29:52 Speaker 21: Never gonna work.

1:29:52 Speaker 8: I mean, we all have batteries, right, People will say

1:29:55 Speaker 8: a higher performing battery, here's why it's.

1:29:57 Speaker 2: Not gonna work.

1:29:57 Speaker 8: So these entrepreneurs are used to being old no and

1:30:00 Speaker 8: why not, and they still build things. And what's happening today,

1:30:05 Speaker 8: not just in America but around the world is the

1:30:07 Speaker 8: first time I saw all these experiences was overseas. Is

1:30:11 Speaker 8: people are seeing ultra advanced craft that are higher performing

1:30:16 Speaker 8: and for people that are building the highest performing craft

1:30:20 Speaker 8: and the highest performing energy.

1:30:22 Speaker 21: They are not trying to unsee what they have seen,

1:30:25 Speaker 21: you know, and they've caught on a wide range of sensors.

1:30:29 Speaker 8: There's the classified sensors and then there's the sensors like this.

1:30:33 Speaker 8: We have imagery, you know, on our phones from going

1:30:37 Speaker 8: out and seeing things. So I think that the impetus

1:30:42 Speaker 8: to build things is what's driving us and what would

1:30:46 Speaker 8: be the right levels to.

1:30:48 Speaker 21: Really go after this?

1:30:50 Speaker 8: You know, this is something that a few of us

1:30:51 Speaker 8: have spoken about. But my backrounds also as a strategist,

1:30:55 Speaker 8: so we do a lot of strategy now and I

1:30:58 Speaker 8: used to be a PCG. And the question of if

1:31:02 Speaker 8: you're building the highest performing systems, what type of resources.

1:31:08 Speaker 21: Would you put in place?

1:31:09 Speaker 8: So if we look at you know, and I'm sharing

1:31:12 Speaker 8: kind of casually Google numbers.

1:31:14 Speaker 21: So we can get to better definition. But how much

1:31:18 Speaker 21: money went into the iss our long term in space laboratory.

1:31:23 Speaker 8: Some of the numbers online say that it was well

1:31:25 Speaker 8: over seventy billion for the US part of that, and

1:31:29 Speaker 8: that with other nations contributions it might be one fifty billion.

1:31:34 Speaker 21: What was the cost of the Apollo program that was

1:31:38 Speaker 21: twenty six billion?

1:31:39 Speaker 8: You know, you know, from the sixties to the seventies,

1:31:43 Speaker 8: some estimates put that inflation adjusted well well over two

1:31:47 Speaker 8: hundred perhaps two hundred and fifty billion dollars. So if

1:31:51 Speaker 8: you were to ask me today, what is the right

1:31:54 Speaker 8: amount of money to be investing in these ultra high

1:31:58 Speaker 8: performing technologies they've meant hat and style projects, it's well

1:32:02 Speaker 8: into the hundreds of billions of dollars. That's the right

1:32:06 Speaker 8: answer today. Whether the US makes that investment or whether

1:32:10 Speaker 8: somebody else does. We are talking about advantage for multi

1:32:15 Speaker 8: trillion dollar markets, So some would say, perhaps we made

1:32:20 Speaker 8: the right investments over time, that we've invested those tens

1:32:23 Speaker 8: of billions in those hundreds of billions, And if we have,

1:32:27 Speaker 8: how do we celebrate the accomplishments it might come out

1:32:31 Speaker 8: of those programs. How do we give the recognition to

1:32:34 Speaker 8: those scientists, those people who have served, who perhaps have

1:32:37 Speaker 8: not been able to speak.

1:32:39 Speaker 21: About their work. How do we derive value from that?

1:32:43 Speaker 8: How do we say these pieces that might have been

1:32:46 Speaker 8: constrained because you didn't have access to the tools everybody

1:32:49 Speaker 8: else has access to an outside and the collaboration, how

1:32:53 Speaker 8: can we bring the pieces in a way that is

1:32:55 Speaker 8: respectful to national security and increase the resilience and in abundance.

1:33:02 Speaker 21: And I am concerned.

1:33:04 Speaker 8: I mean, I appreciate, I think many of us want transparency,

1:33:08 Speaker 8: but also how do we make that to the people

1:33:11 Speaker 8: who may have worked in this want to come forward,

1:33:13 Speaker 8: you know, so if we're offering them, oh, you built something,

1:33:16 Speaker 8: you've given resources, and here's some punishment, but that's going

1:33:20 Speaker 8: to be hard to get the technology out, you know.

1:33:22 Speaker 8: And there's lots of ways that it would be brought

1:33:25 Speaker 8: fully important. I could be anonymized to a centralized clearinghouse.

1:33:29 Speaker 8: If there's valuable technology there that can help people in

1:33:33 Speaker 8: the United States and around the world, Let's celebrate what's

1:33:35 Speaker 8: been built, and let's build the gaps that are there.

1:33:38 Speaker 21: So we see tremendous opportunity.

1:33:42 Speaker 8: The races on some would say those are exceptionally large programs.

1:33:48 Speaker 8: Many of us have seen these, this wide range of phenomena,

1:33:53 Speaker 8: be they craft, be they orbs. These the reason it matters.

1:33:57 Speaker 8: So sometimes the first time you see this phenomenon, it's

1:34:00 Speaker 8: a point of interest and you say, wow, you know,

1:34:03 Speaker 8: I kind of thought there was a light blok plant,

1:34:05 Speaker 8: whether it's life blok planet or advanced terrestrial technology.

1:34:09 Speaker 21: But you think, well, okay, interesting, now back to her

1:34:12 Speaker 21: to day to day.

1:34:13 Speaker 5: What do we do with this?

1:34:15 Speaker 21: And so a number of us came to because.

1:34:17 Speaker 8: Our core roles were advanced energy, advanced computation, advanced biology.

1:34:22 Speaker 21: The answer was people who.

1:34:24 Speaker 8: Are working in their core field of biotechnology quantum that

1:34:28 Speaker 8: they're seeing some of the potential pass forward through this

1:34:32 Speaker 8: UAP and g S and technology.

1:34:34 Speaker 21: Can we classify it today?

1:34:37 Speaker 2: I don't know how.

1:34:38 Speaker 21: I mean, there are parts that we can say stay

1:34:40 Speaker 21: away from this due to this risk.

1:34:43 Speaker 8: But the challenge on some of this is if you're

1:34:45 Speaker 8: to say, well, classify you a technology, you just got

1:34:49 Speaker 8: to stop working on it. For people that are familiar

1:34:52 Speaker 8: with the science and the technology, there are elements of

1:34:55 Speaker 8: this that are relevant.

1:34:56 Speaker 21: To quantum and quantum entanglement. So what does that mean

1:35:00 Speaker 21: for our national posture?

1:35:02 Speaker 8: Unquantum AI is interwoven with us. You talk about micro

1:35:06 Speaker 8: gravity and advanced materials. So do we just not do

1:35:10 Speaker 8: starting liring or advancement of certain materials because they've been

1:35:14 Speaker 8: found into crash retrieval. We are not able to walk

1:35:18 Speaker 8: back because this is so interwoven. So saying that UAP

1:35:23 Speaker 8: is off limits, that's like saying let's go home. Let's say,

1:35:26 Speaker 8: you know, maybe can we still use fire? You know,

1:35:28 Speaker 8: maybe maybe you know, let's look get into it. You know,

1:35:30 Speaker 8: can you still use rocks?

1:35:32 Speaker 21: So many of the fields of technology would be off limits.

1:35:35 Speaker 5: So honestly, we don't.

1:35:37 Speaker 21: Know how to to you know, this idea, We don't

1:35:40 Speaker 21: Once you're in that, you don't even know. It's like, thanks,

1:35:42 Speaker 21: stop using math.

1:35:43 Speaker 8: So the entrepreneurs are getting inspired, they're seeing things, and

1:35:48 Speaker 8: so this is kind of humorous to scientists.

1:35:51 Speaker 5: So we both.

1:35:51 Speaker 8: Appreciate that people are talking about crash retrievals and reverse engineering.

1:35:56 Speaker 21: Are there crash retrievals? Well, are there crashes? I mean

1:35:59 Speaker 21: they're deer retrievals where I live.

1:36:01 Speaker 8: I mean, a crash seems a lot more interesting than

1:36:04 Speaker 8: a deer to pick up. And anybody who knows an

1:36:07 Speaker 8: engineer says, the first time you see anything of interest,

1:36:11 Speaker 8: we were certainly in our reverse engineering. So, whether that

1:36:13 Speaker 8: happens inside government programs or whether it happens out in

1:36:16 Speaker 8: the streets, Americans and people around the world are seeing

1:36:20 Speaker 8: this phenomena, and those that build things are saying, you know,

1:36:25 Speaker 8: what would be build together? So we see these on

1:36:29 Speaker 8: a number of occasions, we've brought some high ranking scientists

1:36:32 Speaker 8: down to folks who are evil in spots where they

1:36:36 Speaker 8: show up more frequently. And it's worth noting that there

1:36:40 Speaker 8: are people a number of groups of people who.

1:36:43 Speaker 21: Are currently pulling in or attracting craft, you know, and

1:36:48 Speaker 21: other phenomena, and some people just happen to see them.

1:36:51 Speaker 21: I'm looking right at eer, and you saw a lot

1:36:53 Speaker 21: of these.

1:36:54 Speaker 8: But so there are people that have seen these infrequently.

1:36:56 Speaker 8: There are people who have seen these on a day

1:36:59 Speaker 8: to day base, says when we've spoken with scientists, you know,

1:37:02 Speaker 8: over the past year or two, and so this is

1:37:04 Speaker 8: coming out of places that someone would see as the

1:37:07 Speaker 8: scientific establishment.

1:37:08 Speaker 21: And ken, can we talk about this?

1:37:10 Speaker 15: Can we not?

1:37:11 Speaker 8: You know? And some of these conversations hadn't taken places

1:37:13 Speaker 8: openly when they did.

1:37:15 Speaker 21: What we found was when we go into.

1:37:17 Speaker 8: Rooms and we talked with people who are innovators, they're

1:37:20 Speaker 8: usually it's usually thirty to fifty percent of people will

1:37:25 Speaker 8: share that they've.

1:37:27 Speaker 21: Seen our experience and almostm o'hen.

1:37:29 Speaker 8: And sometimes they say, oh, no, I haven't seen you again,

1:37:31 Speaker 8: and then they say, well, you know, I did see

1:37:33 Speaker 8: this order over a football field, and you know, it

1:37:35 Speaker 8: was huge, and then so people have seen things and

1:37:39 Speaker 8: we had to have the conversation with leaders in science

1:37:42 Speaker 8: where we say, by the way times have changed, there's

1:37:45 Speaker 8: all this.

1:37:45 Speaker 21: Great work that's been done towards disclosure.

1:37:48 Speaker 8: And when we started talking to people about it, where

1:37:50 Speaker 8: we might have thought it was one in twenty or

1:37:52 Speaker 8: one in one hundred, seems like it's more like one

1:37:55 Speaker 8: in three or two and three or maybe three and

1:37:57 Speaker 8: three and through three people aren't talking about it, and

1:38:01 Speaker 8: so that so we've had the conversation, which is it

1:38:04 Speaker 8: is not credible or viable to act.

1:38:08 Speaker 21: Like this isn't going on. So it's a little We

1:38:11 Speaker 21: use the analogy that it's a little bit like whale watching.

1:38:14 Speaker 8: It's both normal to if you live by the coast

1:38:17 Speaker 8: online cert but if you live by the coast and

1:38:19 Speaker 8: you have access to get out of.

1:38:21 Speaker 21: The water, you know, there's a percentage of people who

1:38:23 Speaker 21: would have seen whales, there's a percentage who have it.

1:38:26 Speaker 21: It's normal both.

1:38:27 Speaker 8: Ways, and the way to feel like it special or

1:38:30 Speaker 8: not special, you know, regardless, but it's aubiquitous.

1:38:33 Speaker 21: So if you can't go in front of a room

1:38:36 Speaker 21: of people, you know if you've seen that.

1:38:39 Speaker 8: And it's incredible, And if you have you say, some

1:38:42 Speaker 8: people are just saying this they know so it be credible.

1:38:45 Speaker 21: You do need to acknowledge it out there.

1:38:47 Speaker 8: There's so much data, there's so much people have on

1:38:50 Speaker 8: their iPhones. You know, there's so many people who will

1:38:53 Speaker 8: speak to.

1:38:53 Speaker 21: The programs on the high side there end.

1:38:56 Speaker 8: But the low side, you know, is not waiting for agreements.

1:39:00 Speaker 8: They're not the fortune one. The US government can lead this.

1:39:05 Speaker 8: We can try to figure out what benefit we have

1:39:07 Speaker 8: from the great work people in this country and perhaps

1:39:09 Speaker 8: around the world have done, or people are ready to

1:39:12 Speaker 8: move forward. And when I was in government, I used

1:39:16 Speaker 8: to receive proposals without going.

1:39:19 Speaker 21: In the details in any of them.

1:39:21 Speaker 8: You know, in various fields of technology where people think

1:39:23 Speaker 8: they were the one rest say any idea.

1:39:26 Speaker 21: You have, believe dozens of people are working at the

1:39:28 Speaker 21: same time.

1:39:29 Speaker 8: So this is something that right now people in this country,

1:39:33 Speaker 8: around the world, there are so many people that are

1:39:37 Speaker 8: being here to build us and a number of them

1:39:39 Speaker 8: are already building.

1:39:40 Speaker 5: These things up.

1:39:41 Speaker 21: So just because you don't see it doesn't.

1:39:43 Speaker 8: Mean that it isn't happening all over the place, both

1:39:46 Speaker 8: in this country and abroad.

1:39:48 Speaker 21: So if we need to leave. If we want to leave,

1:39:50 Speaker 21: need to be active. So I'm looking.

1:39:53 Speaker 8: We always listen with respects and innovators and entrepreneurs, and

1:39:57 Speaker 8: I want to thank so many of you for sharing

1:40:00 Speaker 8: what you've seen.

1:40:01 Speaker 21: Uh, there is an opportunity. I expect more scientists.

1:40:04 Speaker 8: They're going to be engaging directly with the phenomena and

1:40:07 Speaker 8: as scientists, they're going to be doing experiment and methods.

1:40:11 Speaker 21: Okay, So you want to talk about something that people

1:40:13 Speaker 21: talk even less about the U A pece.

1:40:17 Speaker 8: So the thing that was even more of a third

1:40:19 Speaker 8: rail than UA pece is the sources of methods for someone.

1:40:23 Speaker 5: So as you're hearing.

1:40:24 Speaker 8: About there's a number of teams that are working columnists

1:40:27 Speaker 8: phenomena and they're talking about all these different things.

1:40:29 Speaker 21: Some of them have these, okay, ultra exotic protocols. And

1:40:33 Speaker 21: then one of the one of the.

1:40:34 Speaker 8: Groups that we want to visit with some scientists, their

1:40:38 Speaker 8: protocol was prayer.

1:40:42 Speaker 21: And it was not some exotic thing, but was the

1:40:44 Speaker 21: our Father the Hill Mary, you know, conversation.

1:40:47 Speaker 8: And I'm not trying to constrain it to any any

1:40:50 Speaker 8: denomination or any bath or lack thereof, because I think

1:40:54 Speaker 8: one of the hesitancies people have is they don't they

1:40:57 Speaker 8: want this to be for everybody and not not to

1:41:00 Speaker 8: be specific or linked to one thing, but source.

1:41:03 Speaker 5: And the methods.

1:41:03 Speaker 21: When we're talking science, there are people through.

1:41:06 Speaker 8: Meditation or very you know, day by day prayer calling

1:41:10 Speaker 8: in these craft you know, in these works.

1:41:13 Speaker 21: So it's science. Let's talk about what it is and

1:41:15 Speaker 21: then assess it.

1:41:18 Speaker 5: Well, thank you, my keys.

1:41:26 Speaker 3: Question actually is to you again. So that was a

1:41:30 Speaker 3: recent statement by a government official and it kind of

1:41:32 Speaker 3: went a notice. I think it was a few weeks

1:41:34 Speaker 3: ago where they said, you're now laid space time. We

1:41:37 Speaker 3: have the leaves many of the space time so ill

1:41:40 Speaker 3: that that.

1:41:40 Speaker 2: Haven't seen in for a moment. That was an official

1:41:42 Speaker 2: statement by the US government representative. Elaborate on that.

1:41:48 Speaker 21: Well, there's certainly been publicly visible funding that has gone

1:41:52 Speaker 21: into that.

1:41:53 Speaker 8: And I'll say a couple of things before I would say,

1:41:56 Speaker 8: there's a much better expert in the audience door, Julia

1:42:00 Speaker 8: lost Bridge in terms of space time work.

1:42:04 Speaker 21: Also, that's something that doctor help could talk with.

1:42:07 Speaker 8: Space time metric engineering has been very active and so

1:42:10 Speaker 8: there's been plenty of work on that and there's a

1:42:15 Speaker 8: lot that's.

1:42:17 Speaker 21: Going on.

1:42:19 Speaker 2: The National Science Foundation has oh sorry, just.

1:42:22 Speaker 21: One quick things to say. But by the way, we

1:42:26 Speaker 21: also a few of.

1:42:27 Speaker 8: Us were also maybe several of us in the room

1:42:30 Speaker 8: about over a year ago, were on the National Mall

1:42:34 Speaker 8: at the National Academy of Sciences where it was National

1:42:37 Speaker 8: Space Week and there were some presenters from around the world.

1:42:41 Speaker 21: And that also included a representative from the.

1:42:45 Speaker 29: Chinese government prisoner the season day and the presentation that

1:42:50 Speaker 29: they were putting up included requests for we want to

1:42:55 Speaker 29: work with people on I believe it was space time,

1:42:58 Speaker 29: metric engineering, it was gravitational control, and it was also

1:43:03 Speaker 29: ailing like planet amongst other things like renewaballs.

1:43:08 Speaker 8: So the Chinese are literally coming down to the National

1:43:12 Speaker 8: ball and say, hi, come.

1:43:13 Speaker 21: Talk to us about this, you know, and so.

1:43:17 Speaker 5: Come on seriously.

1:43:19 Speaker 8: Another thing that they said, by the way, you know,

1:43:21 Speaker 8: in terms of many of us have been advocating for

1:43:25 Speaker 8: much higher levels of capital to go into innovation and

1:43:29 Speaker 8: also in space and prastructure, which does not have access

1:43:33 Speaker 8: to the terrestrial.

1:43:34 Speaker 21: Financial tools like debt.

1:43:37 Speaker 8: So if you buy a house, most people are making

1:43:39 Speaker 8: a smaller down payment twenty percent, five percent whatever they

1:43:43 Speaker 8: can do. More of a minimum is space is typically

1:43:46 Speaker 8: you've got to fund all of the money up front,

1:43:48 Speaker 8: can you you're not going to build a.

1:43:51 Speaker 21: Hospital for the individual patient. You need to have the

1:43:53 Speaker 21: financial model. So anyways, when I was trying to figure

1:43:56 Speaker 21: out what was the space.

1:43:57 Speaker 8: Budget for China, wouldn't tell me, but the gentleman did

1:44:01 Speaker 8: look at me and Susdain, you know, he's talking to

1:44:03 Speaker 8: all of you. He said, when we look at putting

1:44:07 Speaker 8: up a space station, we view that does that cost

1:44:10 Speaker 8: us the amount of money as putting down a couple

1:44:13 Speaker 8: of kilometers of meatroup Basically, we're gonna.

1:44:16 Speaker 21: Do that all day, every day.

1:44:19 Speaker 8: So if we can't figure out how to make the

1:44:21 Speaker 8: investments to win in these parents for national markets, for abundance,

1:44:27 Speaker 8: for societal benefits, and for economic growth and gain, we're

1:44:31 Speaker 8: going to be left behind.

1:44:32 Speaker 21: So this is so the people that are moving forward

1:44:35 Speaker 21: are moving forward.

1:44:35 Speaker 8: You really hope that the US government, the fortune one,

1:44:40 Speaker 8: you know, is able to share some of the great

1:44:42 Speaker 8: work that's been done, you know, previously across all these fields.

1:44:45 Speaker 8: But the private sectors moving forward.

1:44:49 Speaker 2: Folks, We're gonna have Temple two very quick questions. We're

1:44:52 Speaker 2: already way over our time.

1:44:53 Speaker 3: We have to unfortunately, throwing this room back over, folks,

1:44:57 Speaker 3: and I've got two million affords that you want to

1:44:59 Speaker 3: get as you can. We're not going to have time

1:45:02 Speaker 3: to open up right now for public questions. I have

1:45:06 Speaker 3: get to this real quick, and we could our guests

1:45:08 Speaker 3: with the answer SUC seemed as possible.

1:45:12 Speaker 2: Before we actually a hid to the other group. Let

1:45:16 Speaker 2: me starve with you, Anna. The National Science Foundation has

1:45:21 Speaker 2: been fundamental pillar.

1:45:22 Speaker 3: Of some of Americas of revolutionary technology and concepts for

1:45:26 Speaker 3: many decades. How can the NSF help the government now

1:45:31 Speaker 3: conserving the topic of UAPs.

1:45:34 Speaker 8: Well, I guess one of the things that's just publicly

1:45:36 Speaker 8: visible is that we have been when I was formerly

1:45:40 Speaker 8: an NSF, I would just say that there's lots of publicly.

1:45:43 Speaker 21: Visible content of us being very forward on.

1:45:47 Speaker 8: The topic, listening to innovators, working with strong colleagues from across.

1:45:52 Speaker 21: The inter agency.

1:45:53 Speaker 8: So I think that NSF has shown in NSF leadership

1:45:58 Speaker 8: has also just been extremely support So I just want

1:46:00 Speaker 8: to beta clear.

1:46:01 Speaker 21: I left the government because I'm excited about.

1:46:04 Speaker 8: Building things in the private sector, and I've only ever

1:46:06 Speaker 8: received the greatest support in collaboration from my intur.

1:46:09 Speaker 21: Agency colleagues and from the agency which I worked.

1:46:13 Speaker 8: Who were extremely forward on all areas of innovation, but

1:46:16 Speaker 8: certainly UAP bits within that, including are publicly visible awards

1:46:21 Speaker 8: that were made to fund UAP science.

1:46:24 Speaker 21: There's plenty.

1:46:24 Speaker 8: There's great people that are highly supportive, particularly over the day.

1:46:29 Speaker 2: Excellent, very encouraging.

1:46:30 Speaker 5: Thank you, Mike.

1:46:33 Speaker 3: Last question, you were all the nasty UAP independent Study team.

1:46:38 Speaker 3: My question for you is what were the recommendations.

1:46:41 Speaker 2: Of the NASA UAP and the study team and how.

1:46:45 Speaker 3: Those recommendations, How should those recommendations be implemented?

1:46:51 Speaker 11: Was the time we make the best question, Although two

1:46:54 Speaker 11: of those recommendations we already discussed going to the NASA.

1:46:59 Speaker 5: Archives with an mL system to get the day.

1:47:02 Speaker 11: Just a few examples of which we were able to

1:47:05 Speaker 11: show today, which could be quite sure I canna up

1:47:08 Speaker 11: in their companies and we even volunteer to do that

1:47:11 Speaker 11: work for an ass. But the second one, and I

1:47:13 Speaker 11: really appreciate me showing that photo which was taken by

1:47:16 Speaker 11: a commercial model. And one of the great disappointments I

1:47:19 Speaker 11: had when I was on the.

1:47:20 Speaker 2: U Indian Study teen was I.

1:47:22 Speaker 5: Was asking the VA how many reports bett for commercial files?

1:47:26 Speaker 5: Are those reports the MARTI? How are we keeping track

1:47:29 Speaker 5: of that?

1:47:30 Speaker 30: And I got confusion, confusion and no straight answers, and

1:47:35 Speaker 30: here are like to give credit to raise again were

1:47:39 Speaker 30: suggesting that we leverage masses AVIA Nation.

1:47:43 Speaker 5: And Safety RECORDINGSSRS.

1:47:45 Speaker 11: There's an operating for decades, has hundreds of thousands of

1:47:49 Speaker 11: cases and this is a confidential system where files crew

1:47:54 Speaker 11: can call.

1:47:54 Speaker 5: In about safety anomalies that they experienced.

1:47:58 Speaker 11: It's worked anomally. We should be leveraging this system for

1:48:03 Speaker 11: the recording of the WIT. It can be quickly, it

1:48:06 Speaker 11: could be time efficiently, and the amount of the data

1:48:10 Speaker 11: that we will receive would be amazing.

1:48:13 Speaker 5: Additionally, the relagis that I show you.

1:48:16 Speaker 23: Was from MO to the commercially endable and service program.

1:48:18 Speaker 23: Public private partnerships have driven all of this. I'm so

1:48:21 Speaker 23: excited for the democratization of space and the data that

1:48:26 Speaker 23: we look out on that this was just one example

1:48:29 Speaker 23: of today.

1:48:30 Speaker 11: As space that floraging right a whur other companies move forward,

1:48:33 Speaker 11: all of our own canvas, all with drawn systems. We're

1:48:36 Speaker 11: going to get a lot more data, but ASK still.

1:48:40 Speaker 5: Holds on to a lot of it.

1:48:41 Speaker 11: So for example, what I presented, we need draw data,

1:48:45 Speaker 11: we need timestamps, we need.

1:48:47 Speaker 5: Data in a format we can do true after that research.

1:48:51 Speaker 5: So we were just to do those two things, and

1:48:55 Speaker 5: again do we support the conress.

1:48:57 Speaker 11: I think to push that I can ask a tremendously

1:49:01 Speaker 11: important role, and particularly the aviation.

1:49:03 Speaker 5: Community and inhich is based community.

1:49:06 Speaker 11: The amount of data we get I think completely shift

1:49:09 Speaker 11: lovelessimphistication on this topic.

1:49:11 Speaker 21: And I think there's also probably about twenty or three

1:49:15 Speaker 21: hours of.

1:49:15 Speaker 8: Some of that forward interagency content in Space Instructure's Day

1:49:21 Speaker 8: in the Eposystem of the Futures podcasting. You have Diane

1:49:25 Speaker 8: in the room here today, So thank you Diane for

1:49:27 Speaker 8: helping get that information on.

1:49:28 Speaker 11: Brother saying less optimistic than an on a relative adoption

1:49:33 Speaker 11: in government.

1:49:34 Speaker 5: As I've said.

1:49:35 Speaker 11: During my testimony that particularly academic members of the nasty

1:49:39 Speaker 11: up invented stetting team threat right threat, not for saying

1:49:44 Speaker 11: you wing youre.

1:49:45 Speaker 5: Real, but for just having the temerity of even reviewing

1:49:49 Speaker 5: the topic. You can't pay science in that environment. And

1:49:53 Speaker 5: part of the reason I calling commers to help is

1:49:55 Speaker 5: there's still a great.

1:49:56 Speaker 23: Deal askesis even just a NASCA and careers to get

1:50:00 Speaker 23: in and just grabut again in.

1:50:02 Speaker 5: May the research for it.

1:50:03 Speaker 11: So I think it's incumbent to all of us to

1:50:06 Speaker 11: push the real science, the jetive science, overcome that STATEMA.

1:50:10 Speaker 5: Let's get the data. Because of our comedy our national security, maybe.

1:50:14 Speaker 8: Candy and I think you contributed so much. What I

1:50:17 Speaker 8: would say is some of the things that you experienced,

1:50:21 Speaker 8: you know, or that Lou you know, and Chris and

1:50:24 Speaker 8: others experience, there's.

1:50:26 Speaker 21: That body of having it able to point to those leaders.

1:50:29 Speaker 8: So we have the advantage of being able to point

1:50:32 Speaker 8: to your study, you know, into this private work, so

1:50:36 Speaker 8: you know. And again I think there's the opportunity for

1:50:38 Speaker 8: the government, but I would.

1:50:40 Speaker 21: Say that it's not. There are industries that.

1:50:43 Speaker 8: Move forward that are not awarded by the government. But

1:50:47 Speaker 8: I think just to be something very important that came out.

1:50:51 Speaker 21: Sometimes when we say, oh, you ap.

1:50:53 Speaker 8: This, you ap that there's gonna be some great technologies

1:50:56 Speaker 8: that come out of that, that is very fluffy, you know,

1:50:59 Speaker 8: and who cares.

1:51:00 Speaker 2: So I think.

1:51:02 Speaker 21: Something that I got.

1:51:04 Speaker 8: Briefed on in an unclassified just informal no classification level

1:51:09 Speaker 8: environment and both in personal capacity, but then I later

1:51:13 Speaker 8: brought that person into brief others in the agency, is

1:51:17 Speaker 8: there real and meaningful technologies that have come from these programs.

1:51:22 Speaker 8: And I think with a lot of information you're going

1:51:24 Speaker 8: to see that you know, the story about it has

1:51:27 Speaker 8: been in the internet for decades perhaps, so what I

1:51:32 Speaker 8: have though from a very credible source was that yes,

1:51:37 Speaker 8: there are people who say that this came out of

1:51:41 Speaker 8: doing programs when we.

1:51:42 Speaker 21: Talk about lasers and semi conductors, and that was so important.

1:51:46 Speaker 21: You know, semi conductors the top ten companies.

1:51:49 Speaker 8: Today, a spinnix point five trillion dollar industry that we

1:51:54 Speaker 8: all benefit from and underpins our global economy. That is something,

1:52:00 Speaker 8: and it's not just oh, maybe we'll get something, it's

1:52:02 Speaker 8: that they're tremendous people. You've build things you'll bolt be

1:52:06 Speaker 8: classified and unclassified environments. And that's been put out by

1:52:10 Speaker 8: so many authors, from people in the news, but somewhere

1:52:13 Speaker 8: for in environment that we can say this has taken seriously,

1:52:16 Speaker 8: and those people have told the government, yes, there's been

1:52:19 Speaker 8: real advantage on some of the most important core technologies

1:52:23 Speaker 8: from coming from crash for fuel.

1:52:25 Speaker 11: And I think to get the governmentained seriously, we need

1:52:28 Speaker 11: to engage in l We've got to get outside of

1:52:31 Speaker 11: the UAP bubble.

1:52:32 Speaker 5: And Dan Farret a tremendous movie engage disclosure. It's blue

1:52:36 Speaker 5: story in any story belof j. Strattony. If we can

1:52:41 Speaker 5: touch the public, if we can get them engage, we

1:52:43 Speaker 5: can get the same information that we just saw. I

1:52:47 Speaker 5: think that would be completely transformed.

1:52:50 Speaker 3: Well, let me since time is up. Yes, and first

1:52:52 Speaker 3: of all, thank you since hearing your participating.

1:52:56 Speaker 2: It was a fantastic conversation.

1:52:58 Speaker 3: Let me leave a couple of bunks here by name

1:53:00 Speaker 3: before we say a final farewell. One recommendation we made

1:53:04 Speaker 3: to Congress is the generation of a national intelligence strategy

1:53:08 Speaker 3: that would be promulgated on an angle basis, because I'd

1:53:11 Speaker 3: be view for a lot of our parts, this is

1:53:14 Speaker 3: going to be a perfected right and then right on

1:53:17 Speaker 3: the heels of that, a national strategy every year, annual

1:53:20 Speaker 3: strategy on UAP and drone. Basically, any untributed.

1:53:24 Speaker 5: Objects that are disguise, we.

1:53:25 Speaker 2: Should have a strategy for it. Because we're seeing the

1:53:30 Speaker 2: combat field and even the streets of New York.

1:53:33 Speaker 3: We're seeing technologies that we can't really explain and frankly,

1:53:37 Speaker 3: could be used.

1:53:37 Speaker 2: Against us in very efforts if we don't get a handle.

1:53:40 Speaker 8: On in.

1:53:42 Speaker 3: Two what I'd like to do is propose and hopefully

1:53:45 Speaker 3: Congress as someone will be open to this.

1:53:47 Speaker 2: That we should form at this every year for the

1:53:50 Speaker 2: American public.

1:53:51 Speaker 5: And for the media.

1:53:51 Speaker 3: Allow Congress to get to the bottom of things and

1:53:55 Speaker 3: ask the questions that they normally wouldn't be able to

1:53:57 Speaker 3: catch and bring in the department.

1:53:59 Speaker 2: Because an intelligence community, Department of Defense.

1:54:02 Speaker 3: That mean them all here, why not right, sitting down

1:54:04 Speaker 3: here in front of American people, by well, look at

1:54:07 Speaker 3: your pay their their paychecks.

1:54:09 Speaker 31: Anyways, right, always some answers and they o Congress and answers.

1:54:14 Speaker 31: I would also say, niece, let your members of Congress

1:54:17 Speaker 31: know that you support this. If you like what Representative

1:54:20 Speaker 31: Earlson and Representative Lunda Orshett and others have done here today,

1:54:25 Speaker 31: let them know, right, payde to hear this and so

1:54:27 Speaker 31: other members of Congress you can see this as a hey,

1:54:31 Speaker 31: that works right, tell them that and you hear that

1:54:35 Speaker 31: feedback unless you don't want to say that, but that

1:54:41 Speaker 31: wopmights be guess.

1:54:42 Speaker 2: And the last, but not least, I would think specific

1:54:45 Speaker 2: if they are members of Congress, because at the end

1:54:48 Speaker 2: of the day that you're representatives, they represent this country.

1:54:51 Speaker 2: They are very much part of this country, and they

1:54:54 Speaker 2: are the reasons why you are all here today and

1:54:56 Speaker 2: you're here. They have facilitated this. They have spaunsored for this.

1:55:00 Speaker 2: They have gone another way to put.

1:55:02 Speaker 3: Their political careers potention. Jeffrey, for you having this conversation

1:55:07 Speaker 3: for you, so if you appreciate this, let it know.

1:55:14 Speaker 3: The last but at least thank you to everyone of

1:55:16 Speaker 3: you again, our friends and the media, the folks that

1:55:19 Speaker 3: came over here, some cases came from across the world

1:55:23 Speaker 3: and travel here very long distance to be with us

1:55:27 Speaker 3: here today. Thank you very much. It's very gul and

1:55:31 Speaker 3: we're on here's name better. So that's those people. Rum

1:55:35 Speaker 3: applause for it after.

1:55:41 Speaker 5: What we do want to happen.

1:55:49 Speaker 2: Abe for yourself, no further than you. This meeting is

1:55:54 Speaker 2: then and and and and and and and and and

1:55:57 Speaker 2: and and and and and and and in education, in.

1:56:16 Speaker 5: An intent

1:56:33 Speaker 2: And int