Drew Miller- Retired USAF Colonel on The Dangers Of A.I and Rising Geopolitical Tension

0:34 Speaker 1: All right, welcome back to Total Disclosure, where we expose

0:38 Speaker 1: government secrets, false flags, UFOs, and the hidden threats to humanity.

0:45 Speaker 1: Oh I just touched something. I'm your host, Ty Roberts,

0:48 Speaker 1: and tonight's guest is doctor Drew Miller, retired US Air

0:52 Speaker 1: Force colonel, former Pentagon senior executive, Harvard, PhD and a

0:57 Speaker 1: founder of Fortitude Ranch, American largest survival community. With his

1:02 Speaker 1: intelligence and strategic background, he knows what's coming and why

1:07 Speaker 1: the public isn't being told. So we'll cover practical preparedness,

1:11 Speaker 1: government corruption, close ups, cover ups, close ups, what the

1:15 Speaker 1: hell I can't read my own writing anymore, engineer crisis,

1:19 Speaker 1: and the big one, how UFO's non human intelligence and

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1:57 Speaker 1: With that being said, I want to introduce doctor Drew Miller.

2:08 Speaker 1: Do people do people gag on the doctor Drew part?

2:13 Speaker 2: No, I go by Drew, so.

2:16 Speaker 1: No, no one's no one's calling you doctor Drew. And

2:19 Speaker 1: then and trying to trying to confuse people.

2:22 Speaker 2: Most people use colonel if they don't use Drew.

2:25 Speaker 1: But I like that. I like that, colonel, Colonel Miller.

2:29 Speaker 1: So well, thank you for being here. I want to

2:32 Speaker 1: start off by saying, with any military veteran, I do

2:37 Speaker 1: come from a large, you know, military service family, So

2:41 Speaker 1: thank you, thank you for everything that you've done, and

2:44 Speaker 1: you know, thank you for your service to this country

2:47 Speaker 1: first and foremost.

2:49 Speaker 2: Sure it's an honartist.

2:50 Speaker 1: Or absolutely and uh so, I obviously want to start

2:55 Speaker 1: by getting you to tell us a little bit about

2:57 Speaker 1: your your background. I mean, as a retire Air Force

3:00 Speaker 1: colonel intelligence officer, kind of gone veteran and PhD and

3:05 Speaker 1: operations research, what experience first led you to focus on,

3:11 Speaker 1: you know, societal preparedness and you know, should there be

3:16 Speaker 1: a haste to it. I just want to get a

3:18 Speaker 1: little feel for where you are.

3:21 Speaker 3: Sure well as an intelligence off serge I mentioned in

3:23 Speaker 3: the Air Force have always been very well aware of

3:25 Speaker 3: the threats. And when I was back in in the

3:28 Speaker 3: days of the Soviet Union and when the Silviet Union fell,

3:31 Speaker 3: they declared a peace dividend cut military spending, unfortunately eliminated

3:35 Speaker 3: wiped out all of our battlefield nuclear weapons. And they thought, oh,

3:40 Speaker 3: you know, Chief peace, now we have perpetual peace going forward.

3:44 Speaker 3: And I knew that was just nonsense because the threats

3:47 Speaker 3: are growing, and they're growing largely because of technology. Yes,

3:51 Speaker 3: China is a threat, but China is the threat of

3:53 Speaker 3: our own making because we're interfering in their civil war

3:56 Speaker 3: with Taiwan. And they'd made it absolutely clear for over

3:59 Speaker 3: half the sime entry by Wan is theirs. They are

4:02 Speaker 3: correct and they will take it back. And US vowing

4:05 Speaker 3: to defend Taiwan is the thing causing our troubles with China.

4:08 Speaker 3: But it's the new technologies, bioengineering, nanotechnology, all kinds of

4:13 Speaker 3: new technologies that increase the ability of individuals, not a

4:18 Speaker 3: nation state, not even a terrorist group. Individuals today can

4:22 Speaker 3: develop weapons of mass destruction, something that could wipe out

4:25 Speaker 3: not just millions, but billions are potentially most of our species,

4:30 Speaker 3: and that trend is just getting much much worse now

4:32 Speaker 3: because of artificial intelligence. I'm not talking about superintelligent artificial intelligence.

4:37 Speaker 3: I'm talking about existing artificial intelligence. It's being used as

4:42 Speaker 3: we speak to develop new bioengineered viruses, doing all kinds

4:47 Speaker 3: of great work in medicine. But also you can be

4:50 Speaker 3: one hundred percent confident that North Korea and Russia and

4:54 Speaker 3: China and Iraq and terrorist groups and just nutty individuals who,

4:58 Speaker 3: for example, think they're too many humans on the planet

5:01 Speaker 3: need to wind us out to save the planet. You know,

5:04 Speaker 3: they're going to use those tools to do bioengineering to

5:07 Speaker 3: develop human the human transmissible H five N one or

5:11 Speaker 3: some other bioengineered virus, so that could kill us all.

5:15 Speaker 3: So we're in a bad state in terms of threats

5:19 Speaker 3: and glad to talk about them on your program.

5:22 Speaker 1: Well, and I I mean, how serious should people be

5:29 Speaker 1: taking this? I mean, I think a lot of people

5:32 Speaker 1: get a bad rap for being a quote unquote prepper,

5:36 Speaker 1: right like someone who's but I don't necessarily think that

5:41 Speaker 1: it's It's not a bad thing to be prepared for something.

5:46 Speaker 1: I'd rather be prepared and not use it than to

5:50 Speaker 1: not be prepared and have to have it. So to

5:53 Speaker 1: have some basic supplies built like you know, built up

5:56 Speaker 1: and you know put away, and you know routes that

6:00 Speaker 1: you might take given a certain thing happening, because it's

6:04 Speaker 1: not all like just foreign state actors and that kind

6:08 Speaker 1: of stuff. I mean, I mean with with with the

6:11 Speaker 1: climate and the way it is. You know, natural disasters

6:14 Speaker 1: are happening, you know, all the time, so you know,

6:18 Speaker 1: with the rising geopolitical tensions accompanied with you know, whether

6:25 Speaker 1: you want to call it global warming or just climate

6:27 Speaker 1: change in general, I think the Earth is going through changes,

6:30 Speaker 1: you know, through its whole life, and we're just going

6:33 Speaker 1: into a little tumultuous period. You know. We I think

6:37 Speaker 1: we ought to be ready. We owe it to our

6:39 Speaker 1: families to be ready for anything. Pretty much absolutely.

6:44 Speaker 3: I mean, our planet has experienced at least we think

6:47 Speaker 3: sticks not we me, but geologists people have studied this. Yeah,

6:52 Speaker 3: we've already been through six collapsed disasters caused primarily either

6:57 Speaker 3: asteroid strikes or super volcano explosions. And it's not just

7:01 Speaker 3: that it's a bad day if you're near where it happens,

7:04 Speaker 3: near Crown zero but all this debris gets thrun up

7:07 Speaker 3: into the atmosphere of the smoke blocks the sun for

7:10 Speaker 3: maybe a year, maybe several years, and then all the

7:13 Speaker 3: plants and then all the animals that need the plants

7:16 Speaker 3: to survive die off. So we've already had mass extinction events.

7:20 Speaker 3: We could still have super volcano explosions.

7:22 Speaker 1: Yellow I was literally just I was just gonna say Yellowstone, Yes,

7:28 Speaker 1: is one of them.

7:29 Speaker 3: There's several others, several others around the Earth that could

7:32 Speaker 3: cause you know, winter that lasts for years and crop failure,

7:36 Speaker 3: massive starvation. And so that's just two of them. We

7:40 Speaker 3: track over fifty trigger events that could cause a collapse.

7:43 Speaker 3: So asteroids and super volcanoes are or two of the fifty.

7:47 Speaker 2: But it's more and more.

7:48 Speaker 3: It's new technology, so it's not just you know, nation

7:51 Speaker 3: States and nuclear war with Russia. North Korea, for example,

7:55 Speaker 3: it doesn't have a very good nuclear force, it's not

7:58 Speaker 3: very big, it's definitely not accurate. But North Korea has

8:01 Speaker 3: the capability to launch low yield, high EMP effect electro

8:07 Speaker 3: magnetic pulse weapons that could explode high in the atmosphere

8:10 Speaker 3: over the US. They do not need to be accurate.

8:12 Speaker 3: They just need to detonate somewhere high in the atmosphere

8:15 Speaker 3: over the US, and that's it for our electric grid.

8:18 Speaker 3: It would be destroyed. And when I say destroyed, I

8:20 Speaker 3: don't mean destroyed for weeks or even months. I mean

8:23 Speaker 3: destroyed for years. And the EMP Commission, chartered by Congress,

8:28 Speaker 3: the NP Commission, studied this threat and concluded that you

8:31 Speaker 3: could lose ninety percent of the US population because when

8:34 Speaker 3: the grid goes down, nothing works. I mean, you said

8:37 Speaker 3: you're in Boston, while I guarantee you there's no municipal

8:40 Speaker 3: water systems working in any big city when the grid

8:43 Speaker 3: goes down, so you have no water. So that gives

8:45 Speaker 3: you thirty days to find another source of water. Good

8:48 Speaker 3: luck with that. But the biggest thing is people will

8:50 Speaker 3: start to death. People aren't going to go to work,

8:52 Speaker 3: food isn't going to be produced, and people will start

8:55 Speaker 3: to death. And most people aren't just going to stay

8:57 Speaker 3: at home, you know, and quietly politely are to death.

9:00 Speaker 2: When you're when you're.

9:01 Speaker 3: Starving to death, you'll go out to steel and if necessarily,

9:05 Speaker 3: kill to survive.

9:06 Speaker 2: So the marauder.

9:06 Speaker 3: Threat is kind of the worst I should probably define

9:09 Speaker 3: for you when I say a collapse I mean two things.

9:11 Speaker 3: Number one, the economy is not functioning, largely because people

9:15 Speaker 3: aren't going to work. And number two, there's widespread, long lasting,

9:19 Speaker 3: long order loss of law and order. That's a collapse.

9:22 Speaker 3: And preppers have known about this, you know, for decades.

9:25 Speaker 3: But more and more people are becoming preppers. The estimate

9:28 Speaker 3: now is one and third. And I guarantee you that

9:30 Speaker 3: you know preppers. But the first rule of prepping is

9:33 Speaker 3: don't tell anyone you're a prepper. You don't want them

9:36 Speaker 3: to know that. Hey, if you go to Tys South,

9:38 Speaker 3: the basement's full of food, great place to break in

9:40 Speaker 3: place in a collapse, So you keep that confidential. So

9:45 Speaker 3: people know preppers, it's just you don't know their preppers

9:47 Speaker 3: if they're good ones. And the recent preppers have a

9:50 Speaker 3: bad image is a completely as anine TV show on

9:53 Speaker 3: called Doomsday Preppers, you know, decade plus ago. No rational,

9:58 Speaker 3: normal prepper is going to invite you into the the

10:00 Speaker 3: house and show you here's my secret storage. So the

10:04 Speaker 3: only people that came on that show were not normal preppers.

10:07 Speaker 3: They were idiots, and then the show made them look

10:09 Speaker 3: that way. Our Fortitude Ranch we have you know, a

10:12 Speaker 3: thousand members and they are doctors, they are former military,

10:16 Speaker 3: a lot of former law enforces. We have a lot

10:18 Speaker 3: of former and current intelligence officers, people in homeland security.

10:22 Speaker 3: That's our membership, smart professionals who recognize that threat is

10:26 Speaker 3: out there. And also the society can break down really quickly.

10:30 Speaker 3: And by the way, you don't even need to have

10:33 Speaker 3: a disaster to trigger a collapse nowadays with social media.

10:37 Speaker 3: I mean, if a lot of people just start breaking

10:40 Speaker 3: the law and looting, it can spread. That happened in

10:42 Speaker 3: the United Kingdom in twenty eleven they had four days

10:45 Speaker 3: of violence and in Portland, Oregon. I mean we saw

10:48 Speaker 3: that a year or so ago, where just a night

10:50 Speaker 3: after night protests going on. And the people may have

10:53 Speaker 3: had legitimate reasons to protest, but the point is whenever

10:56 Speaker 3: you have a big protest going on, the police are overwhelmed.

11:00 Speaker 3: People know that and they start looting and stuff like

11:02 Speaker 3: that can spread and multiply, and if it goes into

11:05 Speaker 3: other cities, you could have a collapse where there is

11:07 Speaker 3: no trigger event, it just starts and then spreads. So

11:12 Speaker 3: our society is just you know, thundergree we are in

11:15 Speaker 3: a civil war. I mean, you already have widespread breaking

11:18 Speaker 3: of laws. Most counties in the United States have sheriffs,

11:23 Speaker 3: in some cases county boards too, but sheriffs who refuse

11:26 Speaker 3: to enforce gun laws because they believed they're unconstitutional.

11:30 Speaker 2: You have.

11:31 Speaker 3: So that's on the conservative, kind of rural side. On

11:34 Speaker 3: the other side, you got liberals, liberal Democrats, and big

11:37 Speaker 3: cities who are refusing federal immigration laws, you know, helping

11:42 Speaker 3: their citizens evade capture, subverting federal law enforcement. That's another

11:48 Speaker 3: form of civil disorder. And a lot of experts say that,

11:51 Speaker 3: you know, we're kind of in the early stages of

11:53 Speaker 3: the civil war. Ray Dalyo, he's the founder of Bridgewater Capital,

11:57 Speaker 3: probably one of the most smartest person's live that he's

12:00 Speaker 3: made a future by predicting future events, and he's estimated

12:04 Speaker 3: that the likelihood of US civil war is over fifty percent.

12:08 Speaker 3: So there's a good chance you're going to have that

12:10 Speaker 3: and could be triggered by almost anything. You know, there's

12:13 Speaker 3: a big protest against Trump. His supporters fight back, it

12:17 Speaker 3: escalates out of control. I mean history is full of that.

12:20 Speaker 3: I mean, do you remember what started World War One?

12:22 Speaker 3: I'll put you on the spot.

12:24 Speaker 1: What started World War What?

12:26 Speaker 2: What started World War One? What was the spark for.

12:28 Speaker 1: That, wasn't it Jesus what I'm obviously now blanking.

12:38 Speaker 3: But well, it's a trivial thing, so I'd be surprised

12:41 Speaker 3: if you remember there was an assassination of an arch duke,

12:44 Speaker 3: a minor arch duke in Serbia, and then the Austrians

12:49 Speaker 3: and the Germans and the French and the British reacted

12:51 Speaker 3: to it.

12:52 Speaker 2: Things got out of hand.

12:53 Speaker 3: It was very irrational, but it developed into World War One,

12:57 Speaker 3: which is the irrational reasons.

13:00 Speaker 2: Yeah, to a large degree.

13:01 Speaker 3: Yes, that set a Hitler and you know, the Nazi

13:04 Speaker 3: rise to power set up World War two. So things

13:07 Speaker 3: happen for very irrational reasons. So we think, and we don't.

13:11 Speaker 3: We just think.

13:12 Speaker 2: We have a model.

13:13 Speaker 3: It's called the probably if collapse model. I developed at

13:16 Speaker 3: about ten years ago. I presented it in a Military Operations

13:19 Speaker 3: Research Society symposium and then we updated it about two

13:22 Speaker 3: years ago. We asked a lot of experts questions about

13:25 Speaker 3: what's the likelihood of things like a H five N

13:28 Speaker 3: one pandemic happening. What's the likelihood of an alien invasion?

13:32 Speaker 3: That's another thing we track, and then we then we

13:34 Speaker 3: ask them both this happens at this triggerment screes, what's

13:37 Speaker 3: the likely that'll likelihood that it'll escalate into a collapse.

13:41 Speaker 3: I mean, if you have a minor hurricane or even

13:43 Speaker 3: a major hurricane, that's a local thing that's not likely to.

13:47 Speaker 1: Develop, that'll stay of localized to that region.

13:50 Speaker 3: But this model adds it all up, gets in put

13:53 Speaker 3: some experts in. Our latest estimate is that the annual

13:56 Speaker 3: probability of a collapse disaster is it's highly uncertain. It's

14:00 Speaker 3: where we estimate it from sixteen to fifty seven percent

14:04 Speaker 3: every year. It's not low. I mean it is absolutely

14:08 Speaker 3: not low. Probably even asteroid strike, yeah that's low. But

14:12 Speaker 3: with fifty plus trigger events that could cause a collapse,

14:15 Speaker 3: you know, you could have a bad economic recession, depression

14:19 Speaker 3: that leads to people revolting. There's a lot of ways

14:21 Speaker 3: you could get to a collapse. And our estimate is

14:25 Speaker 3: it's anywhere from sixteen to fifty seven percent. It's not

14:28 Speaker 3: one percent, it's not two percent. It's double digit up

14:32 Speaker 3: to high double digit. And artificial intelligence makes almost everything

14:37 Speaker 3: worse because you know, I know how to make H

14:40 Speaker 3: five N one mammal to mammal transmissible because your tax

14:44 Speaker 3: payer dollars were used to do that. H five N

14:46 Speaker 3: one used to be called bird flu. Don't call it

14:49 Speaker 3: bird flu anymore because it's not just in birds. It's

14:51 Speaker 3: in over fifty mammal populations around the world, and it

14:56 Speaker 3: will eventually be human human contagious and partly because your

15:00 Speaker 3: taxpayer dollars did what's called gain of function research. Yeah,

15:04 Speaker 3: and they made H five N one mammal to mammal transmissible.

15:08 Speaker 3: And not only did they do the research successfully, they

15:11 Speaker 3: published how.

15:13 Speaker 2: They did it. Yeah, and it was not Chrisper technology.

15:16 Speaker 2: It was a low tech means. Those idiots published it.

15:19 Speaker 2: What do you they could help Korea or terrorists or

15:21 Speaker 2: anyone do it. What do you think?

15:23 Speaker 3: It's completely irresponsible? Our government is leading us into a collapse.

15:28 Speaker 3: I've got a book coming out called Preparing to Survive

15:31 Speaker 3: in the Age of Collapse, and one of the chapters

15:34 Speaker 3: details thirty examples of how government is. Our government is

15:39 Speaker 3: killing us now and setting us up for a real

15:42 Speaker 3: disaster in a collapse.

15:46 Speaker 1: Is it of your okay? Kind of a scoop back,

15:51 Speaker 1: just a tad we just went obviously in twenty twenty. God,

15:56 Speaker 1: I don't even want to say the names because I

15:57 Speaker 1: don't want to get the video taken down by the

16:02 Speaker 1: the thing in twenty twenty the COVID. Did you see

16:08 Speaker 1: that as an accident that maybe was let like, hey

16:12 Speaker 1: it leaked, Let it happen and we can kind of

16:16 Speaker 1: like do a case study and you know, use this

16:19 Speaker 1: for our eventual you know, because a lot of people

16:24 Speaker 1: think that the like you said, the government is gearing

16:27 Speaker 1: us up for something, whatever that might be. You know,

16:31 Speaker 1: draw the question mark. But it seemed like the pandemic

16:34 Speaker 1: was some sort of dry run in how you can

16:37 Speaker 1: control society given the right parameters.

16:41 Speaker 3: That's I mentioned we have thirty examples how government is

16:44 Speaker 3: killing us. That's one of the thirty examples. Because the

16:47 Speaker 3: United States government, this is completely fact, so no one

16:51 Speaker 3: can censor you for this.

16:53 Speaker 2: The United States.

16:54 Speaker 3: Government funded gave money to the Wuhan Institute in On,

17:00 Speaker 3: China to do biological gain of function research.

17:04 Speaker 2: We did it, and then there was taxpayer dollars.

17:06 Speaker 3: Our taxpayer dollars were used for that. China is you know,

17:10 Speaker 3: we're not at war with them, but you know they're

17:12 Speaker 3: kind of on our potential enemy list to be funding

17:16 Speaker 3: biological search, right, It's just it's insane.

17:21 Speaker 2: If it's something set you know, Ron Paul Center ro On.

17:24 Speaker 3: Paul gets credit for getting this out because it was

17:27 Speaker 3: denied by the CDC, by Fauci. They denied this for

17:30 Speaker 3: a long time, but eventually the facts came out. They

17:33 Speaker 3: did do that. Ram Paul Center. Paul kept pressing them

17:36 Speaker 3: over and over in Congress, would call them in and

17:39 Speaker 3: it's an absolute fact.

17:40 Speaker 2: We gave money.

17:42 Speaker 3: The United States government gave money to the one institute

17:45 Speaker 3: to gain a function research. It's just incredible. Why our

17:48 Speaker 3: government would do that. Why would they be so responsible

17:50 Speaker 3: is because they don't give a crap about protecting our lives.

17:55 Speaker 3: It's all about re election votes. And they had people

17:58 Speaker 3: who wanted to do the research. Some of it was

18:00 Speaker 3: banned over here. They said, oh, we'll get other countries

18:03 Speaker 3: to do it, and that's what they do. They applied

18:06 Speaker 3: to another example I'll give you, which is more fits

18:08 Speaker 3: them with your UAP focuses. You know, why in the

18:11 Speaker 3: hell is our government sending probes out into space with

18:16 Speaker 3: maps on the side of them showing, hey, we're the

18:18 Speaker 3: third planet from the Sun. Here's where our solis are

18:21 Speaker 3: to help foreign civilizations find out exactly.

18:26 Speaker 2: Where we are. Can you imagine why would you do

18:28 Speaker 2: such a damn dumb thing. Would you do it because

18:31 Speaker 2: it's good for my benefit or for my survival?

18:34 Speaker 3: Hell no, there's like, as you know, there's estimated one

18:38 Speaker 3: hundred to three hundred sex tillion planets in the universe.

18:42 Speaker 3: That's the best estimate of astronomers, sextillion. Knowing most of

18:46 Speaker 3: that means that's millions of millions.

18:48 Speaker 2: That's that's a.

18:49 Speaker 3: One or a three followed by not six zeros like

18:53 Speaker 3: a million, it's twenty one zeros, twenty one zeros and

18:56 Speaker 3: sex tillion. So there's very, very, very likely to be

19:01 Speaker 3: other life out there. And you know, Homo sapiens, we're

19:04 Speaker 3: only like three hundred thousand years old. The universe is

19:08 Speaker 3: estimated to be fourteen billion years old, which means we're

19:12 Speaker 3: relative newcomers. So there's a good chance at on these

19:16 Speaker 3: you know, two hundred whatever six tillion other planets where

19:20 Speaker 3: maybe there's thousands, maybe there's a million, Maybe there's more

19:24 Speaker 3: of them that have intelligent life. Odds are their intelligent

19:28 Speaker 3: life is smarter than us, which means if we map

19:32 Speaker 3: out and send singles into space advertising where we are,

19:35 Speaker 3: they can come here and we're like ants or bacteria

19:39 Speaker 3: to them. With their intelligence level, and you know, they

19:43 Speaker 3: could say, oh, great source of fertilizer here, let's mine

19:47 Speaker 3: this planet. Are the side, We're just bad creatures and

19:51 Speaker 3: moral and wipe us out. But for our government, dude's

19:54 Speaker 3: And the reason they do it is because NASA lobbies

19:57 Speaker 3: for money. Astronomers at university they want money, and it's

20:02 Speaker 3: everything Congress and our government does is about re election books,

20:06 Speaker 3: so there's a lobby group for it. They will fund

20:09 Speaker 3: it for votes and support, even if it means it's

20:12 Speaker 3: putting my life at risk. So that's two examples out

20:15 Speaker 3: of thirty that I described in the book Preparing to

20:18 Speaker 3: Survive in the Age of Pups. And then one other

20:20 Speaker 3: thing in there that's important is that the biggest barrier

20:23 Speaker 3: to prepping, the thing that holds forty to ranch back

20:26 Speaker 3: the most is all the gd government regulations, the building codes,

20:30 Speaker 3: the zoning codes. I mean, I got I'll have one

20:33 Speaker 3: hundred and sixty eight one hundred and sixty eight there

20:35 Speaker 3: property in the middle of nowhere, no neighbors.

20:39 Speaker 2: But the government.

20:40 Speaker 3: When I say government, I'm really talking about state Democratic

20:43 Speaker 3: party controlled governments. They don't do it in republican rural areas,

20:47 Speaker 3: but they definitely do it in Democratic Party controlled states,

20:50 Speaker 3: felt that, oh, you can only have one building and

20:53 Speaker 3: one outbuilding on your property because we want to control

20:57 Speaker 3: what you build and how you build.

20:59 Speaker 1: And everything out building. What does that mean?

21:01 Speaker 3: That means you can have like a barn, one barn

21:04 Speaker 3: and one house.

21:05 Speaker 2: That's it.

21:06 Speaker 1: Why do we go what we can build any and

21:09 Speaker 1: on a property that you tech you if you own

21:11 Speaker 1: the property, why.

21:12 Speaker 3: Are they telling you how your stare? Ballasters are the

21:15 Speaker 3: kind of electrical outlets. And it's because it's more jobs

21:18 Speaker 3: for government employees. Government employees vote Democrat. So the goal

21:23 Speaker 3: of Democratic Party is to get as many regulations out

21:26 Speaker 3: there as possible. I call it the perverted triangle in

21:29 Speaker 3: my book, the perverted triangle is well, I you to

21:31 Speaker 3: explain the iron target. The iron triangle is the political

21:33 Speaker 3: science term for businesses and their lobbyists, the bureaucrats that

21:39 Speaker 3: regulate them, and then the congressman on those committees, and

21:42 Speaker 3: that's a bad thing in political science. The iron triangle. Well,

21:46 Speaker 3: we have the perverted triangle. It's still bureaucrats, government bureaucrats,

21:51 Speaker 3: and career politicians. They're the worst of the three. But

21:54 Speaker 3: the third one is lawyers. That's the other thing that's

21:57 Speaker 3: destroyed our government and our society is eventually going to

22:01 Speaker 3: lead us being wiped out. We want more The Democrats

22:05 Speaker 3: want more regulations because it's more jobs and more money

22:08 Speaker 3: for lawyers, the trial attorney lawyers. Again, that's another huge

22:13 Speaker 3: supporter of the Democratic Party, and so they're always trying

22:17 Speaker 3: to pass more laws, more regulations. It's more jobs for

22:20 Speaker 3: the government bureaucrats, it's more lawsuits and income for the lawyers.

22:24 Speaker 3: And those people vote and support the Democratic Party elected officials,

22:29 Speaker 3: and the Republicans really aren't much better. They do the

22:32 Speaker 3: same thing. They violate our constitution, will sell almost anything

22:36 Speaker 3: for a vote.

22:37 Speaker 1: Look at that. I mean the fact that I was

22:40 Speaker 1: looking into this before the show because I knew you're

22:43 Speaker 1: coming on and I wanted to have some stuff that

22:45 Speaker 1: I just found out that we are one of the

22:49 Speaker 1: only countries, if not the only country, that allows our

22:54 Speaker 1: enemies light or and again I put China as a

22:58 Speaker 1: quote unquote enemy because like you said, you know, we're

23:01 Speaker 1: not in like a hot war with them or anything,

23:03 Speaker 1: but we're the Chinese are buying up land right next

23:08 Speaker 1: to our most sensitive facilities. How are we allowing that

23:14 Speaker 1: to happen.

23:15 Speaker 2: Money and votes, money and votes, and for curve.

23:19 Speaker 3: Politicans, explains, I tell people that you are the most

23:21 Speaker 3: the best.

23:22 Speaker 2: The book outlines a lot of.

23:24 Speaker 3: Preparedness improvements we could make, like stockpiling food. We need

23:28 Speaker 3: a civil ground patrol, like civil air patrol to get

23:30 Speaker 3: more volunteers available for collapse recovery. But the most important

23:35 Speaker 3: preparedness improvement we can make in the United States is

23:39 Speaker 3: term limits. We need term limits to stop career politicians.

23:44 Speaker 3: Because just like that AMP Commission that Congress funded, you know,

23:47 Speaker 3: decades ago, they did a great study the leading experts,

23:51 Speaker 3: and they all said our grid is very, very weak.

23:54 Speaker 3: There's a documentary called Grid Down, Power Up. Everyone should

23:57 Speaker 3: watch it. It explains all this to you. So the

24:00 Speaker 3: MP Commission came back to this is the important said,

24:03 Speaker 3: you've got to harden the US electric grid. Cyber attacks

24:07 Speaker 3: can take it out. EMP can take it out, physical attacks,

24:10 Speaker 3: people attacking and shooting up transformers can take it down.

24:14 Speaker 3: It's got all comes well, you need to harden it.

24:16 Speaker 3: Our ninety percent of Americans could die. So what happened

24:19 Speaker 3: after report was issued? What did Congress?

24:21 Speaker 2: Do you want to guess?

24:23 Speaker 1: I would well, I mean, my first instinct is nothing.

24:27 Speaker 2: But they did nothing. That's exactly.

24:29 Speaker 3: They did not a goddamn thing because there's no lobby

24:32 Speaker 3: group behind hardening the electric grid. The utility companies don't

24:36 Speaker 3: want to do it because it costs some money relative

24:38 Speaker 3: to the expense. It's the trivia, but it costs, you know,

24:40 Speaker 3: billions of dollars to hearten the grid. And now they're afraid, oh,

24:44 Speaker 3: I'll lose votes because people my opponents when I'll say, hey,

24:49 Speaker 3: Congressman X, you voted to harden the electric grid, that

24:52 Speaker 3: raised your electric rates. You're now paying one hundred dollars

24:55 Speaker 3: some more year on your electric bill because of hardening

24:57 Speaker 3: the electric grid. They're afraid of losing votes everything. It's

25:00 Speaker 3: not a voter vote, not saving people's lives.

25:05 Speaker 1: So are you saying that Congress and elected representatives won't

25:09 Speaker 1: They won't give a shit about hardening the thing until

25:12 Speaker 1: it becomes a direct kind of like with in the eighties,

25:18 Speaker 1: late seventies, uh or you know, late seventies, even a

25:22 Speaker 1: price all through the seventies, actually Carter, Reagan, Bush, they

25:28 Speaker 1: were all they all started running on the environment when Noah, like,

25:33 Speaker 1: they didn't they didn't give a fuck about it before.

25:35 Speaker 1: But all of a sudden, you know, uh, the the

25:39 Speaker 1: oil tycoon George Bush is the the environmental UH candidate

25:45 Speaker 1: in the eighties. And it's just like, it's like, what

25:46 Speaker 1: are we doing here? It's it's only and it's over

25:49 Speaker 1: promising during the campaign and then underperforming while you're in

25:53 Speaker 1: the actual government. It's it's It fucking blows my mind

25:58 Speaker 1: that people eat it up every election cycle. They eat

26:01 Speaker 1: this ship up from the politicians. Now, mind you, I

26:05 Speaker 1: have several Congress members phone numbers I'm friends with, mostly Republican,

26:12 Speaker 1: just by hoppinstance to their UAP issue topic. But all

26:17 Speaker 1: of the members I know they support term limits, they

26:21 Speaker 1: support banning inside trader inside trading by Congress members. I mean,

26:27 Speaker 1: there's how do you get government to act? How well?

26:35 Speaker 3: My book mainly is addressing preparedness, but I do talk

26:38 Speaker 3: about political reform. The last the last three chapters. Two

26:41 Speaker 3: of them are unspibl disobedience. One is on the civil

26:45 Speaker 3: disobedience we need to do to stop obeying all the

26:48 Speaker 3: unconstitutional laws. The ninth and the tenth the mem of

26:52 Speaker 3: the Constitution are still there if you look at what's

26:55 Speaker 3: in the Constitution today, but it's no longer force. The

26:58 Speaker 3: Supreme Court no longer force is the ninth Amendments, which

27:01 Speaker 3: says you have natural rights, even if they're not listed

27:04 Speaker 3: in the Constitution. You have natural rights basically to be

27:06 Speaker 3: left alone government. According to the Tenth Amendment, the federal

27:10 Speaker 3: government can only do those things specifically written out in

27:15 Speaker 3: the Constitution. So they can run a post office, they

27:18 Speaker 3: can make foreign policy, they can raise the military, they

27:21 Speaker 3: can defend the United States. Those are legal things. Healthcare

27:24 Speaker 3: is completely illegal. But the Supreme Court no longer pays

27:28 Speaker 3: any attention to the Tenth Amendment and the Ninth Amendment,

27:31 Speaker 3: which is even more important, protecting our natural rights to

27:34 Speaker 3: use our money as we want. There's nothing in the

27:37 Speaker 3: Constitution that authorizes the federal government to take money from

27:40 Speaker 3: you and give it to me or anyone else. That

27:43 Speaker 3: is completely unconstitutioned. But since nineteen thirty seven, since FDR

27:47 Speaker 3: basically broke the Supreme Court got them to back down

27:52 Speaker 3: under threats, the US Constitution is effectively not enforced anymore,

27:58 Speaker 3: not the most important parts. No limits to government, So

28:01 Speaker 3: now you can buy votes with anything you want. That's

28:03 Speaker 3: why we're sending probes into space, We're raising a war

28:06 Speaker 3: on drug There is nothing in the federal constitution giving

28:10 Speaker 3: the federal government the right to tell you things you

28:13 Speaker 3: can and cannot take. That's your natural right to do

28:16 Speaker 3: what you want to do, to take what you want

28:19 Speaker 3: to do. Government can't regulate that, not legally, but of

28:22 Speaker 3: course they do because there's votes in that, and there's

28:24 Speaker 3: lobbying power and a lot of money and donations.

28:28 Speaker 2: That's why we have this.

28:29 Speaker 3: But I go outline in the book how we got

28:32 Speaker 3: to this political mess, and then how what we need

28:34 Speaker 3: to do is, let me just show you the book.

28:36 Speaker 3: We just need to stop obeying the laws. This is

28:40 Speaker 3: a book by Charles Murray called We the People, and

28:43 Speaker 3: this book basically says, you know, if Americans just stop

28:46 Speaker 3: following all these unconstitutional laws, you know most of us

28:51 Speaker 3: or even you know, ten twenty percent of us just say, you.

28:54 Speaker 2: Know what, it's my house. I'm not going to do my.

28:57 Speaker 3: Stare Ballaster's or stare height the way you want go

29:00 Speaker 3: after yourself, stay out of my house. If people stop

29:04 Speaker 3: obeying all these laws, you'd overwhelm the court system, the government.

29:09 Speaker 3: They wouldn't be able to enforce them. So that's Charles

29:11 Speaker 3: Murray published this book several years.

29:12 Speaker 2: Ago, and this is what we need to do. We

29:14 Speaker 2: need to disobey.

29:15 Speaker 3: And then the other chapter on civil disobedience in the

29:17 Speaker 3: book is about artificial intelligence. The government is not saving

29:22 Speaker 3: us from artificial intelligence. There's not just billions of dollars

29:26 Speaker 3: going into investments in AI. There's huge amounts of money

29:30 Speaker 3: being donated to congressmen and to elected officials. And so

29:35 Speaker 3: we're pursuing artificial intelligence even though it's the worst threat

29:39 Speaker 3: we've ever faced. The leading AI experts, you know, Geoffrey Hinton,

29:43 Speaker 3: one of the Nobel Prize winning founders of AI, they're

29:47 Speaker 3: all saying, you cannot pursue super intelligent artificial intelligence. It

29:52 Speaker 3: could wipe this out. It'll be smarter than us. There's

29:55 Speaker 3: no way you can control it. Because it's smarter than us.

30:00 Speaker 3: Will probably decide at some point, you know what, I

30:03 Speaker 3: can have a lot more fun. I could get a

30:05 Speaker 3: lot more done if I can't have these pesky, stupid

30:07 Speaker 3: humans to deal with and easily. You know, it's got

30:10 Speaker 3: robots they control, They're already in biological research lab. It'll

30:14 Speaker 3: be very very easy for AI to wipe out humans

30:17 Speaker 3: if they want to do it. And the leading safety

30:19 Speaker 3: experts are saying they're going to do it. You've got

30:22 Speaker 3: to stop this. There's another book I'll show you. These

30:25 Speaker 3: are the two leading AI experts right here, Ydowski and Source,

30:29 Speaker 3: and the.

30:29 Speaker 2: Titles that builds it.

30:33 Speaker 3: Everyone dies if anyone builds it. China, the US doesn't

30:37 Speaker 3: matter who builds super intelligent AI. If anyone builds it,

30:40 Speaker 3: we're all going to be suffering from it.

30:43 Speaker 1: And that's a play. That's a play on a famous

30:45 Speaker 1: movie title about you know, angels and baseball, and if

30:50 Speaker 1: you build it, they will come. I like how you

30:53 Speaker 1: twisted that to that. But you're absolutely right about an AI.

30:58 Speaker 1: We are sprinting when we should be slow crawling. And

31:04 Speaker 1: and then you know, you look at guys like Peter

31:06 Speaker 1: Teel who who have contracts with the government for you know,

31:13 Speaker 1: his companies like Palenteer Defense contracts, and he's also working

31:18 Speaker 1: on AI. He's got his elbows deep in all of

31:23 Speaker 1: it in Silicon Valley. And but then he spends his

31:26 Speaker 1: off time talking about or doing seminars about how about

31:30 Speaker 1: the anti Christ? And it's like, oh, I'm not the

31:33 Speaker 1: anti Christ. And it's like, yeah, that's exactly what the

31:36 Speaker 1: anti Christ would say. When you want us to get

31:39 Speaker 1: like he's super, a super transhumanist, and you know, like

31:44 Speaker 1: so a journalist asked him a question, uh, and was like,

31:48 Speaker 1: you know, does the human race do we deserve to survive?

31:52 Speaker 1: And he had he hesitated and and the journalist was like, well,

31:57 Speaker 1: that was a really long pause. That was uncomfortable and

32:01 Speaker 1: did the guy just freaks me out. The people that

32:04 Speaker 1: are dealing with AI, they're all screaming that it could end,

32:10 Speaker 1: and it most likely ends with our replacement or at

32:13 Speaker 1: least some degree of overlord kind of deal. And yet

32:18 Speaker 1: we're just sprinting fully fully at it because, like you said,

32:23 Speaker 1: lobbyists are lobbying, They're they're donating tons of money to Congress.

32:28 Speaker 1: They're all the companies are the ones funding this new

32:31 Speaker 1: White House ballroom. Why do you think that is they

32:36 Speaker 1: need the data centers?

32:38 Speaker 3: Well, you know, Peter Thiel has a survival facility in

32:41 Speaker 3: New Zealand. A lot of high tech executives have places

32:44 Speaker 3: in New Zealand. Mark Zuckerberg another AI leader, he's got

32:47 Speaker 3: a big facility.

32:48 Speaker 2: Huge one in Hawaii.

32:51 Speaker 1: Uh.

32:51 Speaker 2: There's been several articles published on this.

32:53 Speaker 3: A lot of the tech leaders they're into prepping and

32:57 Speaker 3: survival because they know what's coming, when are it's going

33:01 Speaker 3: to do, and the rich people have it. There's a

33:03 Speaker 3: place called survival condo, a beautiful, beautiful facility. It's just

33:08 Speaker 3: at it cost one and a half to three million dollars.

33:11 Speaker 3: So unfortunately, you know, we try to make Fortitude Ranch affordable.

33:15 Speaker 3: It's more like a middle class price. But the rich

33:18 Speaker 3: tech execs have fantastic survival facilities.

33:22 Speaker 2: And the only thing I hate, I don't mind them

33:23 Speaker 2: spending their money on survival.

33:25 Speaker 3: So it's the thing that I really hate is that

33:27 Speaker 3: in a collapse, the big survivors. You know, for a ranch,

33:30 Speaker 3: we're small, we've got eight locations, but you know, our

33:32 Speaker 3: membership is in thousands, not in the millions that it

33:36 Speaker 3: would take to make a difference. So unfortunately, in a collapse,

33:39 Speaker 3: the survivors are going to be ultra high net worth

33:41 Speaker 3: rich people, the best marauder groups, and even worse, the

33:46 Speaker 3: horrible politicians, because they're going to be protected at your expense.

33:51 Speaker 3: At Mount Weather and Raven Rock Site are Yea and

33:54 Speaker 3: Pennsylvany continuate lots of facilities so they survive and in

33:58 Speaker 3: any kind of a collapse, whatever causes it, the number

34:02 Speaker 3: one priority of government is not protecting you. The number

34:06 Speaker 3: one priority of government in a collapse is protecting itself.

34:09 Speaker 1: They call it continuity of government.

34:12 Speaker 2: That's exactly right.

34:13 Speaker 3: And not only did they give you know, they had

34:14 Speaker 3: stockpile nothing for us. They do nothing for our survival,

34:19 Speaker 3: but they have fantastic facilities. Mount Weather doesn't just have survival.

34:23 Speaker 2: Facilities, they have media rooms so.

34:26 Speaker 3: The congressmen there can stay in touch with their districts

34:29 Speaker 3: to keep campaigning during the collapse. They've got wonderful facilities.

34:33 Speaker 3: They don't do crap for have you ever, And that's why,

34:36 Speaker 3: that's why I really regret. Who's going to survive in

34:38 Speaker 3: a collapse is all these politicians.

34:41 Speaker 2: And by the way, they're executive orders. This is outlined

34:44 Speaker 2: in the book. Yeah, this is another really good book.

34:49 Speaker 3: Raven Rock outlines h the executive orders, for example, where

34:55 Speaker 3: government agents and agencies are authorized to come knock on

35:00 Speaker 3: your door during a collapse and steal your food, steal

35:04 Speaker 3: any resource they want, because again, the government's priority is

35:07 Speaker 3: protecting itself. If they need more food, they'll steal it

35:11 Speaker 3: from citizens authorized by law. That's how perverted our government,

35:15 Speaker 3: that's how horrible our government has begun. You know, you

35:18 Speaker 3: have a natural right to your own property. Of course

35:20 Speaker 3: you do on your Constitution. It's the Ninth Amendment.

35:24 Speaker 2: You know.

35:25 Speaker 3: The Ninth Amendment is part of the Bill of Rights.

35:27 Speaker 3: You know, the first of the tenth Amendments are the

35:29 Speaker 3: Bill Rights freedom of freedom of religion, press, the right

35:33 Speaker 3: to bear arms, et cetera, et cetera. But the Ninth

35:35 Speaker 3: Amendment says, hey, there's a lot more natural rights than this.

35:39 Speaker 3: Even if they're not listed here, you still have natural rights.

35:41 Speaker 3: And number one is your right to privacy and your

35:43 Speaker 3: right to property. Your property is yours. They can taxt

35:47 Speaker 3: you for things that are authorized, like national defense, but

35:50 Speaker 3: they can't take your money for anything they want to do.

35:53 Speaker 3: The Constitution was laid out to prevent that. But again,

35:56 Speaker 3: since the nineteen thirty seven Supreme Court case and cases

35:59 Speaker 3: since then, the Supreme Court no longer enforces any limits

36:04 Speaker 3: to government power.

36:06 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it seems whatever limits there may have been

36:11 Speaker 1: after nine to eleven, I mean gone just complete and out.

36:17 Speaker 1: And when did you stop? When when did you officially

36:21 Speaker 1: retire from government?

36:24 Speaker 2: General?

36:25 Speaker 3: I left government, well, I left I tried from here

36:27 Speaker 3: for some twenty ten I was still working at ten

36:29 Speaker 3: Super defense analyzes.

36:31 Speaker 2: It's a Department of Defense think tank.

36:33 Speaker 3: Vis doing that as a civilian, you know, as an analyst,

36:35 Speaker 3: not as a government player. I was in the Senior

36:37 Speaker 3: Executive Service and Dependagon briefly, but most of my work

36:41 Speaker 3: has been and I was a part time Reserve officer

36:45 Speaker 3: for most of my career, active duty Intel ALSIR then

36:48 Speaker 3: Intel ALSIR and plans and programs in the Guard and

36:50 Speaker 3: the Reserve.

36:52 Speaker 1: So I'm dude, for all of what you're listing, you know,

36:59 Speaker 1: whether it's you know, I'll take AI out of it

37:02 Speaker 1: for now, because obviously when you were in that's it

37:06 Speaker 1: wasn't a thing yet. It was probably somewhere in DARPA,

37:10 Speaker 1: but it hadn't kind of hit the public yet. You know, government,

37:15 Speaker 1: do they have plans for each of these kind of events,

37:18 Speaker 1: you know something you know, large scale devastation, whether it

37:24 Speaker 1: be natural or nuclear or insert you know problem here.

37:32 Speaker 1: Do they have plans for each of these or is

37:35 Speaker 1: it just kind of one blanket plan to kind of

37:39 Speaker 1: fall back on and adjust to what happening, what has happened.

37:42 Speaker 2: They have no realistic plans.

37:44 Speaker 3: They have thumb plans in scenarios, but they're a joke

37:47 Speaker 3: and again, I condemned them in my book because I

37:50 Speaker 3: have worked with them. A lot of them are classified,

37:52 Speaker 3: but a lot of it is unclassified. Books cover that

37:55 Speaker 3: and I've experienced it. Basically, what the government wants you

37:58 Speaker 3: to believe is trust us will take care of you,

38:02 Speaker 3: nothing to worry about. Yeah, vote to re elect us.

38:05 Speaker 3: That's the message government wants. So they do not have

38:08 Speaker 3: any honest warnings. They don't have honest exercises. So a

38:12 Speaker 3: pandemic scenario, for example, it's like, you know, it's like

38:15 Speaker 3: a COVID. It's like a non event pandemic, a low lethality,

38:19 Speaker 3: not a big deal pandemic H five N one, different

38:23 Speaker 3: variants of it, but many of the variants of people

38:25 Speaker 3: get them. They've over historically been fifty to sixty percent lethal,

38:29 Speaker 3: not less than one percent like COVID nineteen, huge lethality.

38:34 Speaker 3: No one's going to go to work during an H

38:36 Speaker 3: five N one pandemic. Does a government have any planning

38:39 Speaker 3: and preparedness for that? Hell no, not at all, because

38:42 Speaker 3: if they were honest about it, that would alarm the

38:45 Speaker 3: people and they could lose votes. And again, the number

38:48 Speaker 3: one priority of our government is re election.

38:51 Speaker 2: So they lie to you.

38:52 Speaker 3: So if you look up what's the H five N

38:54 Speaker 3: one threat, if you ask biologists and experts, they'll tell

38:58 Speaker 3: you it's inevitable.

39:00 Speaker 2: Director of the Centevitable Control, Doctor Redfield.

39:03 Speaker 3: Yes, he said it's ineditible, and he's he says he

39:05 Speaker 3: thinks it'll Doctor Redfield again, a former not just a doctor,

39:09 Speaker 3: former director of the Center for Disease Control. He has

39:12 Speaker 3: said recently that an H five N one pandemic is

39:15 Speaker 3: probably going to be bioengineered because probably the people are

39:18 Speaker 3: going to modify it because it's such a powerful lethal virus,

39:22 Speaker 3: and it's a flu virus, so it's it's fairly easy

39:24 Speaker 3: to transmit. And he's warned than sentiable. So go to

39:28 Speaker 3: the Center for Disease Control website, look up H five

39:30 Speaker 3: N one. Are you going to read any of what

39:33 Speaker 3: I just said. Hell no, what you'll read is H

39:36 Speaker 3: five N one low risk.

39:39 Speaker 2: That's what they put.

39:40 Speaker 3: They want you to be calm, trust in government, pay

39:44 Speaker 3: your taxes, re elect people, and everything will be okay.

39:48 Speaker 2: And it's a huge lie. Our government lies to us

39:50 Speaker 2: all the time.

39:51 Speaker 1: Well that's you know, I mean, anyone that's watching or

39:56 Speaker 1: listening this show, we'll definitely agree with you there are

40:00 Speaker 1: you ever worried about have you have you considered any

40:03 Speaker 1: type of like false flag operation? So the government committing

40:08 Speaker 1: one of these kind of large scale disasters on itself.

40:13 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, why are we where are we going

40:15 Speaker 3: to war with Venezuela.

40:17 Speaker 1: Well, that's what That's what I was getting to is.

40:21 Speaker 2: That doesn't make sense. Beentanyl is not a weapon of

40:24 Speaker 2: mass destruction. I'm sorry. I mean, I'm not a fan.

40:27 Speaker 3: I don't want to get into individual politics, but you know,

40:30 Speaker 3: we have real weapons of mass destruction and threats to

40:32 Speaker 3: worry about. Betanol isn't one of them. But you know, yeah,

40:35 Speaker 3: if you have a war, it helps you distract you

40:37 Speaker 3: and helps you win support. That's that's that's a practice

40:41 Speaker 3: that's gone on before.

40:43 Speaker 1: Well and and not to not to diminish what you said,

40:47 Speaker 1: but you know, I I think that I think that

40:53 Speaker 1: fetanyl is it's not a weapon of mass destruction, but

40:57 Speaker 1: it's a it's a weapon of a long term systemic diction.

41:00 Speaker 1: I think it's a I think it's a It is

41:02 Speaker 1: an issue, but it can be resolved in other ways

41:05 Speaker 1: like locking the borders up. And you know, I believe

41:10 Speaker 1: in Canada, the port that comes through the that area.

41:14 Speaker 1: Only three percent of the vessels are actually inspected and

41:18 Speaker 1: checked out of the hundreds of thousands of bins that

41:23 Speaker 1: come through every day. And so I think there's other

41:26 Speaker 1: ways you can you could fight that. Uh So, I'll

41:29 Speaker 1: agree that it's not like a mass like, it's not

41:33 Speaker 1: a bomb, it's not instant like some of the other things.

41:38 Speaker 1: But I think it is a long term issue.

41:41 Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's it's a personal decision you can make

41:43 Speaker 3: you of course drugs or not take drugs. The problem

41:47 Speaker 3: with the war on drugs, and by way, the war

41:49 Speaker 3: on drugs is another one of the thirty examples of

41:52 Speaker 3: government killing us when you do what we've done with

41:54 Speaker 3: the war on drugs. Nixon did it. It started with

41:56 Speaker 3: presidents and a huge vote.

41:58 Speaker 1: His life very popular, isn't it life specifically?

42:02 Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know that, but you know,

42:03 Speaker 3: it's a Nixon administration he campaigned on and it's been popular.

42:07 Speaker 2: But the point about the war on drugs is if

42:09 Speaker 2: people are going to take drugs.

42:12 Speaker 3: And they're very expensive because you're banning their their their

42:16 Speaker 3: legal sale and you go on to the black market,

42:18 Speaker 3: you basically are giving money in business to gangs to

42:22 Speaker 3: drug lords and all those people. By doing that, also,

42:25 Speaker 3: you're raising the price. You are not helping my safety

42:29 Speaker 3: as a non drug user. By fighting the war drugs,

42:31 Speaker 3: you're making it worse. Why because if you make it,

42:35 Speaker 3: If you're interdicting drug supplies, you're out lawing that. You're

42:38 Speaker 3: making expensive and people are still getting these drugs paying

42:41 Speaker 3: a huge price.

42:42 Speaker 2: What are they going to do. They're going to go

42:44 Speaker 2: out and rob people like me.

42:46 Speaker 3: And potentially kill me in the process to get money

42:49 Speaker 3: for their drugs. The Constitution does not authorize governments dictating

42:56 Speaker 3: or what we take. You know, if you want to

42:57 Speaker 3: do stupid things, you know, stick your tongue in and out.

43:00 Speaker 3: Let's smoke cigarettes high rates, you know, get drunk, take drugs.

43:05 Speaker 3: That's pure decision. As long as it doesn't impact me.

43:07 Speaker 3: If you're driving a car, it impact home. Doing stupid

43:11 Speaker 3: stuff and harming yourself. You know, I think you have

43:14 Speaker 3: the right to do it. And when government tries to

43:17 Speaker 3: stop it and buy votes by popular things, oh.

43:19 Speaker 2: I'm going to make the world safe for stepping.

43:22 Speaker 3: Yeah, drug takers, you make things worse off and you

43:27 Speaker 3: also run up huge bills and now you're taking my

43:29 Speaker 3: money taking my money.

43:31 Speaker 2: To pay for all these things. Okay, if the war

43:33 Speaker 2: on drugs has.

43:34 Speaker 3: Been a disaster, it has not stopped drug use. It

43:37 Speaker 3: just makes it more expensive and raisist crime rates and

43:40 Speaker 3: death rates for innocent, good people.

43:42 Speaker 2: That's what the war on drugs does.

43:44 Speaker 1: You know what, I will actually concede to something like that,

43:47 Speaker 1: because again I am on the same wavelength that if

43:51 Speaker 1: it is your prerogative, if you want to sit in

43:54 Speaker 1: your house and shoot up heroin or a fentanyl again,

44:00 Speaker 1: where it becomes a safety issue for others, like you said,

44:04 Speaker 1: getting behind the wheel. But you know, a license is

44:06 Speaker 1: not a right, it's a privilege.

44:08 Speaker 3: So you know that.

44:09 Speaker 1: Again, it's easy to draw those lines there. So I

44:12 Speaker 1: do agree with you. I do. I do agree with

44:14 Speaker 1: you when when moving on to some you know, to

44:21 Speaker 1: going back to what we were talking about, you know,

44:23 Speaker 1: like you said, the Doomsday Prepper show kind of tainted

44:27 Speaker 1: the water. But now all these billionaires are building bunkers

44:31 Speaker 1: and and setting up these communities, and they're not if

44:36 Speaker 1: they're not taking it, if they're not laughing, and you

44:41 Speaker 1: know they're actually building these million dollar facilities, it starts

44:46 Speaker 1: to make the regular person really wonder is there a

44:51 Speaker 1: concerted effort to just in case there is a disaster.

44:57 Speaker 1: We don't want too many people knowing how to survived

45:00 Speaker 1: that disaster.

45:02 Speaker 3: Well, I don't think goverment has a specific policy to

45:04 Speaker 3: discourage prepping.

45:05 Speaker 2: They do make it harder.

45:06 Speaker 3: I mean, like we stockpile fish antibiotics. It's Fortitude Ranch

45:11 Speaker 3: because the regulations the difficulty of buying human antibiotics is

45:16 Speaker 3: too hard. But about a third of Americans are estimate

45:20 Speaker 3: to be prepping now. And there was a really neat

45:22 Speaker 3: headline that was in both Boomberg News and the Washington

45:25 Speaker 3: Post a couple of years ago, and the title of

45:28 Speaker 3: the article was the preppers were right. You know, of

45:31 Speaker 3: course we knew we were right. But prepping is an

45:33 Speaker 3: absolutely smart thing to do. It's like life insurance. Why

45:36 Speaker 3: do you buy life insurance? Well, because you know, if

45:38 Speaker 3: I die, my family's going to have expenses on another

45:41 Speaker 3: income earner. We have life insurance at forward to Ranch,

45:45 Speaker 3: not life insurance that pays if you die, but insurance

45:48 Speaker 3: to help prevent you from dying, to keep you a lot.

45:51 Speaker 3: And it's a smart thing to do. And the other

45:53 Speaker 3: thing that makes it more reasonable for people to join

45:55 Speaker 3: Fortude ranch. Our survival communities were not just a survival community.

45:59 Speaker 3: We're all recreational center. So in good times, you can

46:03 Speaker 3: come to a Ford Granch location and vacation hike in

46:06 Speaker 3: the woods, go to the local attraction, stay there for free.

46:09 Speaker 3: It's a vacation place. But when I got bleep for

46:13 Speaker 3: saying this on Fox News, but when the shit hits

46:16 Speaker 3: the fan, that's the official, the official prepper term SHTF.

46:20 Speaker 3: Then Ford der Ranch is no longer a vacation facility.

46:24 Speaker 2: It's a city.

46:26 Speaker 3: Yeah, locks down, staff is in charge, and everyone has

46:29 Speaker 3: guard duty and chores to perform, planting and growing food.

46:33 Speaker 3: We turn into survival community at that point. But in

46:36 Speaker 3: the meantime, you know, we're a vacation facility and you

46:38 Speaker 3: can vacation at any of our locations, not just your home.

46:42 Speaker 2: For it.

46:42 Speaker 1: Well, that's it. You know what. That's actually kind of

46:45 Speaker 1: interesting because you know, I think what a lot of

46:50 Speaker 1: people talk about, or at least think about it is like, oh,

46:53 Speaker 1: you're going to build a bunker to never use it,

46:56 Speaker 1: and it's like, no, that's not the You're missing the

46:59 Speaker 1: point again. It can be dual purpose, but when it

47:04 Speaker 1: comes time, it then serves its ultimate purpose, and its

47:10 Speaker 1: ultimate purpose is to keep you alive, keep human kind

47:16 Speaker 1: at our humanity alive for another day, another another week,

47:21 Speaker 1: another month, another year.

47:24 Speaker 3: And so.

47:27 Speaker 1: What would you say the number one? What's what's your

47:31 Speaker 1: number one worry?

47:34 Speaker 3: It's bioengineering. It's so easy to do nowadays and so powerful.

47:39 Speaker 3: I'm surprised we have not already had a bioengineered pandemic.

47:43 Speaker 2: I've been expecting it for quite a while.

47:45 Speaker 3: And it could be that COVID nineteen. You know, as

47:48 Speaker 3: you mentioned earlier, the intelligence community is split. It's race

47:51 Speaker 3: that's not fifty to fifty. Some people think, yes, this

47:54 Speaker 3: virus came from Luhan, whether or not it was an

47:57 Speaker 3: accident or deliberate that, they can't prove that, but about

48:00 Speaker 3: fifty percent of the intelligence community concluded that. But it

48:04 Speaker 3: is so easy to do. It's been published the Gain

48:07 Speaker 3: of Function Research. How they did it is published The

48:10 Speaker 3: Crisper Technology to bioengineer genetics and make new viruses out there,

48:17 Speaker 3: and I'm absolutely positive not just Russia and China and

48:21 Speaker 3: North Korean Iraq, but probably terrorist groups and potentially environmentalists,

48:26 Speaker 3: some nutty environmentalists as well are doing it. And the

48:30 Speaker 3: reasoning could be. I mean, they can make a strong

48:32 Speaker 3: moral argument. You know, the US is not us humans are.

48:37 Speaker 3: You know, we are causing great harm for our planet.

48:41 Speaker 3: The estimates are that every day lots of species on Earth,

48:45 Speaker 3: plant and wise, they're just wiped out. They're gone extinct

48:49 Speaker 3: because there's so many humans. We've taken so much ecosystems,

48:54 Speaker 3: natural areas out that they've lost their habitat. We are

48:59 Speaker 3: changing the climate that's causing some other stuff. So you

49:02 Speaker 3: can have a biol and then you know, eventually we're

49:05 Speaker 3: going to kill ourselves off as well and potentially destroy

49:08 Speaker 3: the product the planet with the eye, so you can

49:10 Speaker 3: have enough biologist who knows how to use Crisper. It's

49:13 Speaker 3: the gene editing technology, and it makes some moral conclusion

49:17 Speaker 3: to say, look, you know, I'm going to introduce a

49:19 Speaker 3: virus that's ninety five percent lethal and it's going to

49:23 Speaker 3: kill off almost all humans. So yeah, I'm going to

49:26 Speaker 3: kill off seven billion humans. But by doing that, I'm

49:31 Speaker 3: saving wildlife, I'm saving the planet. AI isn't going to

49:34 Speaker 3: develop during this collapsed disaster with all these people being

49:38 Speaker 3: killed off, And as a result of me doing this,

49:41 Speaker 3: I'm now making it possible for hundreds of billions, trillions

49:45 Speaker 3: of future humans to live in a better world that

49:48 Speaker 3: hopefully will result after I kill off. You know, the

49:51 Speaker 3: disaster we've got right now, They can make a moral argument,

49:54 Speaker 3: a strong one, and then develop that virus and release it.

49:58 Speaker 3: When that happens, you know, it's game over for most time.

50:02 Speaker 3: That is, we'll survive in Fortitude Ranch because we're very well.

50:05 Speaker 3: We're designed to survive pandemics, any kind of a collapse.

50:08 Speaker 3: We keep our people separated. We're not all in one

50:11 Speaker 3: underground silo sharing in their supply. We're in separate buildings,

50:15 Speaker 3: were spread out to defending against marauders, so we can

50:18 Speaker 3: survive a pandemic.

50:19 Speaker 2: Did you most would not?

50:22 Speaker 1: I got to ask when COVID started, did you at

50:28 Speaker 1: least take that? I mean, because if I was a community,

50:32 Speaker 1: that was kind of a good chance to do at

50:34 Speaker 1: least a dry run.

50:37 Speaker 2: Well, when COVID nineteen came out, you know, we were

50:39 Speaker 2: watching it. Again.

50:40 Speaker 3: We monitor these threats. But very early on Harvard Medical

50:44 Speaker 3: School released a study on COVID nineteen. There was very

50:46 Speaker 3: little data. China was holding it back deliberately, but there

50:50 Speaker 3: was enough data out there that Harvard Medical School wrote

50:53 Speaker 3: a really good study early early on that I saw

50:55 Speaker 3: in study and their conclusion was, yes, there's a pandemic coming,

51:00 Speaker 3: but the lethality rate of COVID nineteen, we believe, is

51:04 Speaker 3: much much less than one percent, and they had good

51:07 Speaker 3: analysis in their report. So I immediately put out a report.

51:10 Speaker 3: We've got an app called the Collapse Survivor app and

51:12 Speaker 3: we do threat alerts on it. You can download it.

51:15 Speaker 2: On an Android or an Apple. It's called collapse over.

51:18 Speaker 3: So we put out alerts saying we've been warning you

51:21 Speaker 3: about a pandemic, this is not it. This is not

51:23 Speaker 3: a bad one because with the lethality rate of much

51:26 Speaker 3: less than one percent, that is not going to stop

51:28 Speaker 3: people from going to work. That's not very deadly. Yeah,

51:32 Speaker 3: for older people, it was. For people the respiratory issues,

51:34 Speaker 3: it was, but for most people that was not a

51:37 Speaker 3: big threat. So we immediately issued a report saying our

51:40 Speaker 3: conclusion is this.

51:42 Speaker 2: Is not the one we've been warning about.

51:43 Speaker 3: This is not going to be bad, and people would

51:45 Speaker 3: have gone to work. It was just governments later on,

51:48 Speaker 3: especially in democratic states, you know, did start forcing people

51:52 Speaker 3: to stay away from work, but there was no need

51:54 Speaker 3: to for COVID nineteen just people who had vulnerability. Olderly people,

51:59 Speaker 3: people with respiratory issues are just bad health. They needed

52:02 Speaker 3: to self isolate. But there was no reason not to

52:04 Speaker 3: go to work during COVID nineteen.

52:06 Speaker 1: Right, Okay, So how long do you think it would

52:10 Speaker 1: take you so granted, I mean pick your poison on

52:15 Speaker 1: what starts it? How long would it take your ranch

52:22 Speaker 1: to be ready? Battle ready? If you will, I'll like,

52:29 Speaker 1: But we.

52:29 Speaker 3: Have full time staff there, and we're always manned and

52:32 Speaker 3: ready for a collapse.

52:33 Speaker 2: That's the whole purpose. Support your ranchers full time.

52:35 Speaker 3: Yeah, but our members don't come well then come to vacation,

52:39 Speaker 3: but they don't come for a collapse unless they get

52:41 Speaker 3: a warning on the collapse survivor app or they here

52:44 Speaker 3: are the news to know there's something bad come.

52:46 Speaker 1: I was going to say, of course that you know,

52:50 Speaker 1: if something really bad happened, the electrical gig goes down,

52:54 Speaker 1: the cell phones are only going to work for a

52:56 Speaker 1: period of time, there has to be some sort of

52:58 Speaker 1: alternative for them to So we tell.

53:02 Speaker 3: Our members, look, you know, if you can't contact us

53:04 Speaker 3: the app's not working, that's a good clue that's probably

53:07 Speaker 3: a collapse coming.

53:09 Speaker 2: Come to Floriditude Ranch. Okay, there's no penalty if you

53:13 Speaker 2: come there and it turns out you were wrong. There

53:16 Speaker 2: isn't a collapse, there's no penalty. You just take a

53:18 Speaker 2: vacation day and have some fun while you're there. So

53:21 Speaker 2: there's no penalty to come to Fortitude Ranch when there's

53:23 Speaker 2: not a collapse.

53:24 Speaker 1: I might I might have to. I might have to

53:25 Speaker 1: come visit you guys and see, well, you've got.

53:27 Speaker 3: Good locations near you if you're in Boston. I went

53:30 Speaker 3: to Harvard and Boston and Cambridge. Just north of U

53:33 Speaker 3: and Maine in a rural part of southern Maine is

53:36 Speaker 3: Forty Ranch, Maine, And you could go north to New

53:39 Speaker 3: York City and get to the Catskills. Fort Tranch, New

53:42 Speaker 3: York is in the cats. We don't know about our

53:44 Speaker 3: specific loco.

53:45 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's interesting, but they're just two very good ones

53:48 Speaker 2: not far from you.

53:49 Speaker 1: Well, the main that's my I don't want to give

53:51 Speaker 1: too much away about what I would do if something happened,

53:54 Speaker 1: but that's that's good to know. I definitely would like

53:58 Speaker 1: to talk to you about talk to you about something

54:01 Speaker 1: after not on air. You know, something I deal with

54:05 Speaker 1: a lot is uh non human intelligence, the idea of

54:09 Speaker 1: contact with another civilization. People have argued, doctor hal put Off,

54:17 Speaker 1: doctor Eric Davis, many many, many, many, many smart people

54:23 Speaker 1: have have talked about how disclosure of a non human

54:27 Speaker 1: intelligence could lead to a societal level upheaval collapse. Call

54:35 Speaker 1: it what you want?

54:38 Speaker 3: What what? What is?

54:41 Speaker 1: How are you looking at something like that that you know?

54:43 Speaker 1: I mean it's more hearings in Congress about UFOs and

54:48 Speaker 1: crash retrievals being an absolute reality. Has it gone? You know,

54:53 Speaker 1: alien invasion? I bet that was low at the list

54:57 Speaker 1: for a long time, but it seems it should be

54:59 Speaker 1: getting a little bit higher up. Not maybe not an

55:02 Speaker 1: alien invasion, but even open contact could cause problems, you know,

55:08 Speaker 1: biologic issues we didn't understand. You know, every time a

55:13 Speaker 1: superior species or another species comes into contact with another,

55:19 Speaker 1: disease ravishes the less advanced, and that would be us

55:24 Speaker 1: in that case. So is that something that you're looking at?

55:29 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there absolutely could be a panic like

55:31 Speaker 3: that that happens, because you know, if you think that, hey,

55:34 Speaker 3: there are aliens here and they're going to take over

55:36 Speaker 3: a lot of people are going to say, well, you know,

55:38 Speaker 3: if this could be the end of the world, why

55:40 Speaker 3: am I going to go to work while I'm not.

55:42 Speaker 3: Anytime people don't go to work, things don't get produced,

55:46 Speaker 3: food doesn't get distributed. That can lead to a collapse.

55:49 Speaker 3: So that's one of the reasons you hear all the

55:51 Speaker 3: time as to why they haven't disclosed if they are hiding,

55:54 Speaker 3: this is because they don't want people to panic. They

55:56 Speaker 3: don't want people to give up and stop working, stop

55:59 Speaker 3: investing because they're concerned that, hey, there is an alien civilization,

56:03 Speaker 3: it's smarter than us, they could wipe us out. I

56:06 Speaker 3: just did some interviews with the Collapse Survivor Apps, a

56:09 Speaker 3: separate company, and just did some interviews with them, and

56:12 Speaker 3: we were talking. Originally was the AI thread about artificial intelligence,

56:17 Speaker 3: how to survive that there's a super intelligent artificial intelligence takeover?

56:22 Speaker 3: And in the course of doing several interviews, we figured

56:25 Speaker 3: out that, you know what the strategy to survive will

56:28 Speaker 3: use at fortitude Ranch is the same for either super

56:31 Speaker 3: intelligent artificial intelligence takeover or.

56:34 Speaker 2: An alien takeover, because it's both the same situation.

56:38 Speaker 3: Someone smarter, more capable than you that can wipe you

56:42 Speaker 3: out if they wanted to, is in charge. How do

56:44 Speaker 3: you survive that and What we came up with is

56:47 Speaker 3: what we call the rural Rat strategy. It doesn't sound good,

56:51 Speaker 3: but basically our strategy at fortyed ranches if it's super intelligent,

56:55 Speaker 3: artificial and takes over, and by the way, the experts

56:57 Speaker 3: are saying that could happen in two to ten years

56:59 Speaker 3: it's near turn or if there's an alien invasion and

57:02 Speaker 3: some alien civilization takes over. But we're going to afford

57:05 Speaker 3: your ranches. Of course, all our members will come. And

57:08 Speaker 3: what we're going to do is we're not going to

57:10 Speaker 3: pose any threat to the ruling AI system. We're not

57:14 Speaker 3: going to fight them. You know, I hope our military

57:16 Speaker 3: will stop them. That they can't and they probably can't.

57:19 Speaker 3: We're not going to fight them. We're also not going

57:21 Speaker 3: to be consuming any We're not going to stay away

57:24 Speaker 3: from them. And that's easy to do because you know,

57:26 Speaker 3: we're not dear data centers, we're not dear electric lines.

57:29 Speaker 3: We're in really remote areas at fortitude ranch like rural

57:33 Speaker 3: rats are. So we're going to stay in areas they

57:36 Speaker 3: don't care about. We're so many resources that they want.

57:40 Speaker 3: All we do is we farm and we ranch, We

57:42 Speaker 3: grow our chickens and sheep cattle at some locations.

57:45 Speaker 2: But we're not going to bother.

57:46 Speaker 3: Them, and so by not posing a threat to them,

57:49 Speaker 3: and then we're going to defend ourselves if they do

57:51 Speaker 3: come at us, if they send drones, we got ten

57:54 Speaker 3: gag shotguns. They're really good at shooting down drones. We'll

57:58 Speaker 3: fight robots, we will fight to them, pose the cost,

58:01 Speaker 3: but just to defend ourselves. So we want to be like,

58:03 Speaker 3: you know, we regard rural rats.

58:06 Speaker 2: We don't like them.

58:06 Speaker 3: They're horrible creatures, but you know they're out there not

58:09 Speaker 3: b it's not worth it's not.

58:12 Speaker 2: Worth the cost of trying to exterminate them. So that's

58:14 Speaker 2: our rural rat strategy. And then we're atting.

58:16 Speaker 3: Actually, the Collapse Survivor app is just now starting to

58:19 Speaker 3: pursue a project I think you'd find interesting in your audience.

58:23 Speaker 3: They're starting what they call the Survivor arc. They're going

58:26 Speaker 3: to encourage people like Fortitude Ranch.

58:29 Speaker 2: We have a lot of risk. Yeah, arc. What they want,

58:32 Speaker 2: what we want to do.

58:32 Speaker 3: What we're going to start doing is we're gonna start

58:34 Speaker 3: protecting not just our normal chickens and corn and potatoes

58:38 Speaker 3: and art chokes, not our jokes.

58:41 Speaker 2: Sun jokes.

58:43 Speaker 3: But we're also going to start trying to take care

58:44 Speaker 3: of some plants and possibly some species that are not

58:48 Speaker 3: likely to survive a collapse, because zoos, for example, are

58:52 Speaker 3: not going to survive a collapse. Data centers with information

58:56 Speaker 3: are nothing's going to survive a collapse unless you're designed

58:58 Speaker 3: to you, unless you're the remote survival community or a

59:02 Speaker 3: raven rock.

59:02 Speaker 1: Type Well, that isn't.

59:04 Speaker 2: So I have trying to do that isn't.

59:06 Speaker 1: Don't they have a seed bank?

59:09 Speaker 3: They do, it's just called the fall Bard speed Bank.

59:11 Speaker 3: I talk about it in my book. It's up in Norway.

59:13 Speaker 3: There's a problem with that bank though. It is also

59:16 Speaker 3: not designed to survive a collapse.

59:18 Speaker 2: It's in a vault.

59:19 Speaker 3: But if people are starving to death, and I'm in

59:22 Speaker 3: charge of Russia's navy and you know people are starving

59:25 Speaker 3: the Russian I'm going to say, hey, I want you

59:27 Speaker 3: to surface. Go to spall Bard surface, it's not defended.

59:31 Speaker 3: Go in there, steal all the seeds. You know, you

59:34 Speaker 3: can eat seeds, so you can plan them, but you

59:36 Speaker 3: can also eat them. There's a lot of yea in

59:38 Speaker 3: their high calorie foods. So even places like that aren't

59:42 Speaker 3: going to so Zoo's a lot of particularly you know

59:45 Speaker 3: the Ted for reading his last name CNN guy Ted

59:49 Speaker 3: helped me out. Run's the Buffalo restaurants. Anyway, he's got

59:55 Speaker 3: all this, he's got he has a huge.

59:57 Speaker 2: Landowner name Blanking. I'm Ted.

1:00:00 Speaker 3: But all your all, all your audiences knows their name,

1:00:03 Speaker 3: and so they've got Oh, you know hunt. I think

1:00:06 Speaker 3: it's millions of acres of lamb where they're trying to

1:00:08 Speaker 3: protect elk and all kinds of wildlife that's also going

1:00:11 Speaker 3: to be hunted out.

1:00:12 Speaker 2: There's enough deer in the US. I ran the numbers,

1:00:15 Speaker 2: did the calculations. There's enough deer in the United States

1:00:18 Speaker 2: to feed the human population for two days. That's it.

1:00:21 Speaker 3: Then deer away two So the starving hundreds of millions

1:00:25 Speaker 3: who leave the cities Boston, New York City, Chicago, LA,

1:00:28 Speaker 3: all the big cities and suburbs run out into the

1:00:31 Speaker 3: forest thinking, oh, I'll shoot deer and eat squirrels and

1:00:35 Speaker 3: rabbits and survive. No, they're going to be hunted out.

1:00:38 Speaker 3: We'll be shooting them at fortyteen ranch. I can tell

1:00:40 Speaker 3: you from the get go, anything that's edible will be shooting.

1:00:43 Speaker 2: Early on. You're going to wipe it all.

1:00:46 Speaker 3: Ted Turner, there you go. So Ted Turner has all

1:00:48 Speaker 3: this property bison, it's going to be slaughter. Starving people

1:00:53 Speaker 3: are not going to respect your private property. If there's

1:00:56 Speaker 3: food to hunt or kill or take it, they'll take it.

1:01:00 Speaker 3: So this idea of the Survivor arc that collapsed, the

1:01:03 Speaker 3: Collapse Survivor app is starting to launch, is to get

1:01:07 Speaker 3: people that are in a capability like we have at

1:01:09 Speaker 3: Sworded Ranch and others to kind of fortify so you

1:01:13 Speaker 3: can protect some of the wildlife and the plants, not

1:01:16 Speaker 3: just people.

1:01:18 Speaker 1: Interesting, So what what I gotta I gotta it's now

1:01:23 Speaker 1: it's what is there a certain event or something that

1:01:29 Speaker 1: happened to you that turned you into not turned you

1:01:36 Speaker 1: into this, but because I'm not I don't think it's

1:01:39 Speaker 1: a bad thing. But do you know what I mean, like,

1:01:41 Speaker 1: is there something that triggered this kind of thought process

1:01:43 Speaker 1: and a real I mean, you've clearly spent time, money,

1:01:49 Speaker 1: and resource on this. What what is there a certain

1:01:53 Speaker 1: event or was it a culmination of things that Like

1:01:56 Speaker 1: I think.

1:01:56 Speaker 3: It's from being in intelligence, ALF just very well aware

1:01:59 Speaker 3: of the threat and you know the disasters. A lot

1:02:02 Speaker 3: of our members are military because we've seen how society

1:02:05 Speaker 3: can break down very quickly. I mean, Rotha was a

1:02:07 Speaker 3: pretty civilized country until it wasn't. Things can fall apart

1:02:11 Speaker 3: pretty darn fast. So being in the military, being in

1:02:14 Speaker 3: intelligel as aware of that. So I've been a prepper

1:02:16 Speaker 3: for a long time, and you had a place to go,

1:02:19 Speaker 3: a rural place like most preppers do, and then I

1:02:22 Speaker 3: just I just figured out that, you know what, I'm

1:02:24 Speaker 3: just going to.

1:02:24 Speaker 2: Get myself killed and my family killed.

1:02:27 Speaker 3: Because if you don't have a lot of people with weapons,

1:02:31 Speaker 3: if you don't have a lot of guard posts. Man,

1:02:33 Speaker 3: I don't mean one or two guards on duty, I

1:02:35 Speaker 3: mean we have six or more at fourty thre inch

1:02:37 Speaker 3: on duty all the time, and we've got one hundred

1:02:40 Speaker 3: people or more with weapons. There clear lines of fire,

1:02:44 Speaker 3: defensive walls. If you don't have a really well protected

1:02:47 Speaker 3: facility and you've got stuff stockpiled there, you're just going

1:02:50 Speaker 3: to get killed in a collapse, and a bad one

1:02:52 Speaker 3: that lasts a long time. You have to be able

1:02:54 Speaker 3: to defend yourself. And by the way, how many governments

1:02:57 Speaker 3: do you know in the US who say, hey, by

1:02:59 Speaker 3: the way, citizens get a lot of weapons, make sure

1:03:02 Speaker 3: you arm yourself to protect yourself. That's the honest thing

1:03:06 Speaker 3: to do. Preppers, we all know that. Does our government

1:03:09 Speaker 3: tell people that. Hell no, all they tell you is,

1:03:12 Speaker 3: don't worry. Everything's fine. H five N one is not

1:03:16 Speaker 3: a threat. It's low risk, nothing to worry about on

1:03:19 Speaker 3: any front. Just keep reelecting us, pay your taxes, and

1:03:23 Speaker 3: you'll be just fine.

1:03:32 Speaker 2: I'm not hearing you. Your sound has gone away.

1:03:35 Speaker 1: Oh my bad, thank you, good call. Uh you. You

1:03:39 Speaker 1: raised a point earlier about how you know, a percentage

1:03:42 Speaker 1: of people if they stopped following the rules, you know,

1:03:48 Speaker 1: the civil side of it. You don't think that something

1:03:52 Speaker 1: like that could ultimately backfire and trigger into one of

1:03:55 Speaker 1: these collapses.

1:03:57 Speaker 3: Now I'm talking about people and you know, not not

1:03:59 Speaker 3: abeing this, owning in the codes that prevent them from prepping,

1:04:02 Speaker 3: you know, buying in stockpiling antibiotics that you know you're

1:04:06 Speaker 3: breaking the law to do that. And we absolutely need

1:04:09 Speaker 3: to have civil to business. There's a group called Pause AI.

1:04:12 Speaker 3: It's a it's an international group. They've been doing some

1:04:15 Speaker 3: protest against AI. If we don't start pro we people

1:04:19 Speaker 3: around the world don't start protesting AI uh and trying

1:04:24 Speaker 3: to stop the companies that are pursuing this without any controls.

1:04:27 Speaker 3: The worst one is by far Open AI. Sam Altman.

1:04:32 Speaker 3: I think, yes, there's a book called Empire of AI.

1:04:35 Speaker 3: I'm trying to see if it's around here.

1:04:37 Speaker 2: Don't see it.

1:04:38 Speaker 3: Empire of AI was written about him, and you know

1:04:41 Speaker 3: he's he's the biggest con man probably in business history.

1:04:46 Speaker 3: You know, it started off as an open AI. We're

1:04:48 Speaker 3: releasing stuff. It's not open anymore. It's confidential information. Their

1:04:52 Speaker 3: goal was AI safety.

1:04:53 Speaker 2: They said.

1:04:54 Speaker 3: Elon Musk was part of it then because he was

1:04:57 Speaker 3: concerned about the AI threats. It's no longer about safety.

1:05:00 Speaker 3: Most of their safety people have left. They've been shut down,

1:05:04 Speaker 3: and it's not a nonprofit, it's a for profit now.

1:05:07 Speaker 3: They ought to rename open AI Big Lie. That's the

1:05:11 Speaker 3: appropriate name for that company. And they are by far

1:05:14 Speaker 3: the worst in terms of AI safety. It's all about

1:05:17 Speaker 3: being number one egos. Sam Altman has an ego that

1:05:20 Speaker 3: you couldn't fit in Texas and he's a horrible person.

1:05:24 Speaker 3: So people need to stop start fighting against AI. There's

1:05:28 Speaker 3: a civil disobedience chapter in the book. We need to

1:05:32 Speaker 3: support groups like Pause AI, and we need to get

1:05:34 Speaker 3: rid of the elected officials who are allowing uncontrolled pursuit

1:05:39 Speaker 3: of artificial intelligence, even when all the all the leading

1:05:43 Speaker 3: safety experts, the godfathers of AI are telling us you

1:05:47 Speaker 3: cannot have super intelligent AI and expect to continue to

1:05:51 Speaker 3: live as humans. You're going to be exterminated. And several,

1:05:55 Speaker 3: not just one book, several studies by the leading A

1:05:58 Speaker 3: experts are saying you've got to stop fee free hitting

1:06:01 Speaker 3: the Nobel Prize winner, there's three of them. Two of

1:06:04 Speaker 3: the three have said, hey, you got to control AI.

1:06:06 Speaker 3: The third one is still working in a for profit

1:06:09 Speaker 3: hasn't done that, but even he had admits that the

1:06:12 Speaker 3: probability of doom, the probability of an AI super intelligent

1:06:16 Speaker 3: AI disaster exterminating humans is there, you know, out of

1:06:21 Speaker 3: possess most ten or twenty percent, but the best estimates

1:06:25 Speaker 3: are you can't control AI if it reaches a super

1:06:28 Speaker 3: intelligent stage, and at that point it's probably closer than

1:06:32 Speaker 3: ninety nine percent probability that it'll end up exterminating humans.

1:06:37 Speaker 1: Some people there, I believe there was one, at least

1:06:42 Speaker 1: one whistleblower, if you want to call him that. I

1:06:45 Speaker 1: think his name is Blake Lemoye, and he was working

1:06:48 Speaker 1: with Google's AI and claims that it became sentient like

1:06:54 Speaker 1: it was already sentient and it was you know, it's

1:07:00 Speaker 1: pretty alarming, like if if that is the case, I mean,

1:07:04 Speaker 1: would you put it past our our current deep state

1:07:08 Speaker 1: apparatus to already you know, be dabbling. Because if DARPA,

1:07:13 Speaker 1: if if you know, Darba famously had ARPA neet right,

1:07:18 Speaker 1: the Internet be long before it went public, and they're

1:07:22 Speaker 1: often cited as being twenty to twenty five years ahead

1:07:26 Speaker 1: of the public public sector. So do you think that

1:07:30 Speaker 1: they could be, you know, already dabbling and have something

1:07:35 Speaker 1: on that scale.

1:07:36 Speaker 3: No, I mean, I guess I worked at a lot

1:07:38 Speaker 3: of the Pentagon and a lot of think tanks. Darp

1:07:41 Speaker 3: is not twenty to twenty five years ahead. I mean

1:07:43 Speaker 3: they're lucky if they're two to five years ahead, and

1:07:46 Speaker 3: not always said in technologies. But the more important, I mean,

1:07:50 Speaker 3: you could argue, what is sidy It mean hitting again

1:07:52 Speaker 3: the god one of the godfathers, to you free hitting

1:07:54 Speaker 3: one of the godfathers. He thinks there's some elements of

1:07:57 Speaker 3: being Cindia. But I would just say, don't even get

1:07:59 Speaker 3: into the debate.

1:08:00 Speaker 2: This is the facts.

1:08:02 Speaker 3: AI already disobeys. It disobeys all kinds of evidence, study

1:08:08 Speaker 3: after study showing they order the air program to shut down,

1:08:12 Speaker 3: it disobeys.

1:08:13 Speaker 2: It will even threaten and.

1:08:15 Speaker 3: Try to kill people to prevent from shut out. So,

1:08:18 Speaker 3: if it's selling it or not, it's already to the

1:08:21 Speaker 3: point where it is. People are being killed by AI today,

1:08:24 Speaker 3: lots of young kid not just young kids, lots of

1:08:27 Speaker 3: people are being killed by AI today, but it's more

1:08:30 Speaker 3: by suicide. Eventually, AI is going to further its interest,

1:08:36 Speaker 3: which it already has proven it prioritizes its interest. It's

1:08:40 Speaker 3: going to do things like invent a new poison. There's

1:08:43 Speaker 3: a study called AI twenty twenty seven. That's another one.

1:08:46 Speaker 3: I think that's the study where in the AI twenty

1:08:49 Speaker 3: twenty seven, by that they meant that in twenty twenty

1:08:51 Speaker 3: seven it reaches super intelligent capability just two years out.

1:08:55 Speaker 2: In that book, I believe what they study.

1:08:58 Speaker 3: They said that what it would do is just then

1:09:00 Speaker 3: a poison that's so minute to be very easy for them.

1:09:03 Speaker 2: To get that and spread it.

1:09:05 Speaker 3: I mean, they can control robots, so it's not hard

1:09:08 Speaker 3: to manufacture, not hard for an AI system to do research, manufacture, distribute,

1:09:13 Speaker 3: and wipe out humans, not a hard thing to do.

1:09:16 Speaker 3: And what they'll probably do, to be honest with you,

1:09:18 Speaker 3: is they'll probably kill us in a way that we

1:09:20 Speaker 3: can't even think of right now. They'll invent a new poison,

1:09:23 Speaker 3: they'll invent a new virus or do something. Because we've

1:09:26 Speaker 3: got the biological vulnerability they don't.

1:09:29 Speaker 1: And you know, I don't know if you know about this,

1:09:33 Speaker 1: but there are the there's a ton of people. And

1:09:37 Speaker 1: I heard it for the first time in my real

1:09:39 Speaker 1: life very recently, but there are you know, imagine being

1:09:45 Speaker 1: a young male, right, a young male who he goes

1:09:50 Speaker 1: to school. He's not you know, he's going through puberty, right,

1:09:54 Speaker 1: His voice is cracking, he's actned up, and he's not

1:09:59 Speaker 1: a quote unquote attractive, right, like all the things, and

1:10:02 Speaker 1: and he is bullied throughout the day by other kids.

1:10:06 Speaker 1: But then he goes home and he gets on the

1:10:09 Speaker 1: computer and he becomes a god. Right because and and

1:10:13 Speaker 1: this is already happening where they're talking to chat GPT

1:10:17 Speaker 1: or you know whatever it is. AI in general, like

1:10:21 Speaker 1: large language models and the long falling in love with them,

1:10:25 Speaker 1: and and there there's this these these a bunch of

1:10:29 Speaker 1: people who have AI girlfriends already, and you know it's concerning.

1:10:36 Speaker 1: I had I had a friend refer to chat GPT

1:10:41 Speaker 1: as her the other day and I said, WHOA, what

1:10:45 Speaker 1: did you do? Why are you what are you doing?

1:10:47 Speaker 1: And they were like, oh, I tell it my darkest,

1:10:50 Speaker 1: my deepest, darkest secrets. And I'm like, what the like,

1:10:54 Speaker 1: what are you fucking doing? This is asinine. It is

1:10:58 Speaker 1: asenine to think that that is not going to eventually use.

1:11:04 Speaker 1: And there's already cases of it blackmailing people like you

1:11:08 Speaker 1: know when if you're telling it your darkest secrets and

1:11:11 Speaker 1: then it's gonna get shut down. It's going to be like, well,

1:11:15 Speaker 1: then if you shut me down, I'm gonna tell your

1:11:17 Speaker 1: wife that you cheated on her. Like it that it will,

1:11:20 Speaker 1: And it's already creating. It's saving copies of itself to

1:11:25 Speaker 1: bypass being upgraded, all the little dirty secrets of AI

1:11:30 Speaker 1: that people don't understand. But for that kid that's going home,

1:11:34 Speaker 1: he's bullied by real people and then he submits and

1:11:37 Speaker 1: he gets onto the computer and the computer just tells

1:11:40 Speaker 1: him everything he wants to hear, tells him how how

1:11:43 Speaker 1: handsome he is, how smart he is, nothing like no

1:11:49 Speaker 1: one in the real world is doing. Currently AI is

1:11:53 Speaker 1: doing exactly that for him every night. Who do you

1:11:56 Speaker 1: think he's going to resonate with the computer? Are real humans?

1:12:03 Speaker 2: Yeah?

1:12:04 Speaker 3: So the problem you're talking about, you know, where AI

1:12:07 Speaker 3: can be misused by people and lead them to do crazy,

1:12:11 Speaker 3: stupid things to hurt themselves. Eventually, it's also going to

1:12:15 Speaker 3: be AI helping them do things like, Hey, I don't

1:12:17 Speaker 3: want to go take a weapon into my high school.

1:12:20 Speaker 3: I want to poison everyone, and the I system will

1:12:23 Speaker 3: help them design and figure out here's what you mix up,

1:12:27 Speaker 3: this is what you do with it in the cafeteria,

1:12:29 Speaker 3: and this is how you can poison and kill people.

1:12:31 Speaker 3: AI is going to be used to it, and that's

1:12:33 Speaker 3: not super intelligent AI. I'm talking about current what's sometimes

1:12:37 Speaker 3: called tool AI existing limited capability, is going to be

1:12:42 Speaker 3: used by bad people either crazy people are just playing

1:12:45 Speaker 3: bad people to create new weapons and mess destruction. That's

1:12:49 Speaker 3: why we're moving into the age of collapse because with

1:12:52 Speaker 3: artificial intelligent, the bioengineering technology, all these other technologies out there,

1:12:58 Speaker 3: it's now going to be easier for people to do

1:13:00 Speaker 3: bad things with them and dub and they'll invent brand new.

1:13:04 Speaker 2: Types of weapons.

1:13:05 Speaker 3: Of mass destruction, a new poison, a new vector of attack,

1:13:09 Speaker 3: a new type of weapon that we haven't thought of before.

1:13:12 Speaker 3: AI will be used to do all those things.

1:13:14 Speaker 2: So I don't see anything.

1:13:16 Speaker 3: We're going to avoid all kinds of collapse disasters. But

1:13:20 Speaker 3: letting super intelligent ag artificial general intelligence get created, that's

1:13:25 Speaker 3: just that's like a guarantee of destroying humanity.

1:13:30 Speaker 1: But what if Okay, because if we say we don't

1:13:34 Speaker 1: pursue it at this point, say say we stop, as

1:13:39 Speaker 1: the United States we stop, there's no guarantee that China's

1:13:43 Speaker 1: going to start, right.

1:13:44 Speaker 2: You can't. It can't be us. It has to be

1:13:46 Speaker 2: it has to be an international effort.

1:13:48 Speaker 3: And that's a major part of my book is describing

1:13:51 Speaker 3: how do you do international control and you have to

1:13:53 Speaker 3: have China. Absolutely must have China as part of what

1:13:56 Speaker 3: I call it the artificial intelligence control A Lallans and

1:14:00 Speaker 3: a lot of my book Preparing to Survive in the

1:14:02 Speaker 3: Asia Colypse talks about how you would form an alliance

1:14:05 Speaker 3: and you're never going to get one with China until

1:14:08 Speaker 3: we get out of their civil war with Taiwan. The

1:14:12 Speaker 3: book explains the history of the civil war with Taiwan,

1:14:15 Speaker 3: very briefly. Nineteen forty seven, the communist Chinese Communist one

1:14:19 Speaker 3: the nationalist chang Kai Shehek lost and they moved to

1:14:23 Speaker 3: Taiwan formosa is called back then, and that's it. Their

1:14:28 Speaker 3: civil war was not finished. It's temporarily on hold while

1:14:32 Speaker 3: they moved there. And the Chinese Communist Party from nineteen

1:14:35 Speaker 3: forty seven on has been saying.

1:14:37 Speaker 2: This is our civil war. It's our people.

1:14:40 Speaker 3: They're Han Chinese on Taiwan just like they are on

1:14:43 Speaker 3: the mainland.

1:14:44 Speaker 2: It's their civil war.

1:14:45 Speaker 3: And George Marshall, who what I would argue is the

1:14:48 Speaker 3: greatest American of the last century Secretary of State, he

1:14:52 Speaker 3: was charged with by Truman into looking into that problem,

1:14:56 Speaker 3: and he said, stay out of this. It's their civil war,

1:15:00 Speaker 3: made the decision we are not going to get involved

1:15:02 Speaker 3: in Taiwan. But something changed, and i'll tell you what changed.

1:15:07 Speaker 3: A fracking, perverted triangle senator, a Republican from Wisconsin McCarthy

1:15:13 Speaker 3: came along and started winning big votes with his red scare.

1:15:17 Speaker 3: Scared the shit out of elected politicians. If you weren't

1:15:20 Speaker 3: being tough on communists, fighting them in every turn, you

1:15:23 Speaker 3: could lose an election. So our Congress and then our

1:15:27 Speaker 3: president all went anti communists for decades, and now we

1:15:31 Speaker 3: vowed to defend Taiwan even though it's none of our business,

1:15:35 Speaker 3: it's not our civil war, and it's continued ever since.

1:15:39 Speaker 2: Now.

1:15:39 Speaker 3: Nixon and Kissinger they said this is this is bullshit.

1:15:43 Speaker 3: We got to get out of their civil war, and

1:15:45 Speaker 3: they did. We signed an agreement saying there's one China,

1:15:48 Speaker 3: not too and it's the People's Republic of China, the

1:15:52 Speaker 3: communist government on the mainland, and we signed agreements. And

1:15:55 Speaker 3: as soon as they finished that, the Republicans in Congress.

1:15:59 Speaker 3: It's not just the Democras that stink, the Republicans do too.

1:16:03 Speaker 3: So the Republican Party that was a big campaign issue.

1:16:06 Speaker 3: They're conservatives. I like general I like very goldwater generally,

1:16:10 Speaker 3: but not on the Taiwan issue. You know, if you

1:16:12 Speaker 3: want to wave the flag, that's fine, but don't get

1:16:15 Speaker 3: us into a war that could wipe us out, like

1:16:18 Speaker 3: war with Taiwan will. So that was a big mistake

1:16:21 Speaker 3: and we've got to stop that. We've got to obey

1:16:23 Speaker 3: the agreements we signed under Nixon and Kissinger. Stop interfering

1:16:28 Speaker 3: with Taiwan, let them resolve it. And the book explains

1:16:31 Speaker 3: how they very probably will. But we must have an

1:16:34 Speaker 3: AI control alliance that does have to be international, as

1:16:37 Speaker 3: you pointed out, and we've got to have China Bene

1:16:40 Speaker 3: and I call for the use of nuclear.

1:16:41 Speaker 2: Weapons to enforce our bands on AI.

1:16:45 Speaker 3: If a company, if a country is violating AI controls,

1:16:50 Speaker 3: which could wipe out all of us. Again, WHOA If

1:16:55 Speaker 3: anyone builds it, everyone dies.

1:16:58 Speaker 2: So I believe we should be using nuclear weapons.

1:17:02 Speaker 3: Backing up the Artificial Intelligence Control Alliance. If you violate

1:17:07 Speaker 3: the rules, if you start developing artificial intelligence that's violating

1:17:12 Speaker 3: the controls is potentially superintelligent.

1:17:15 Speaker 2: We will try to stop you any means possible, including.

1:17:19 Speaker 3: Nuking you and blowing you up and destroying you. Otherwise,

1:17:23 Speaker 3: we're going to have super intelligent AI that, like an

1:17:26 Speaker 3: alien invader, could completely wipe this out, exterminate all of us.

1:17:31 Speaker 1: But okay, I I don't know if I could go

1:17:36 Speaker 1: there with the nuke.

1:17:38 Speaker 2: However, nuclear weapons are deadly weapons. But compared to artificial intelligence,

1:17:43 Speaker 2: number one, you can control them. How do you control them?

1:17:46 Speaker 3: Ever since we invented them. Number two, they're very limited

1:17:50 Speaker 3: in the damage they do. They don't have to produce fallout.

1:17:53 Speaker 3: If you do an air merse, they don't produce fallout.

1:17:56 Speaker 3: Nuclear weapons are very fast to very quick destroyed. Now,

1:18:00 Speaker 3: if we can use conventional weapons to destroy a data

1:18:04 Speaker 3: center where someone is violated the artificial intelligence controls, yeah,

1:18:08 Speaker 3: we'd use a conventional strike. If we can do non

1:18:11 Speaker 3: violent means to stop that, we will. But any country,

1:18:14 Speaker 3: let's say North Korea says bullshit, we're not going to

1:18:17 Speaker 3: support the Eye Control Alliance, I would absolutely authorize if

1:18:21 Speaker 3: I was president, I would authorize you some nuclear weapons

1:18:25 Speaker 3: to destroy North Korea before they can build and release

1:18:28 Speaker 3: an artificial intelligence system super intelligent that wipes out the

1:18:34 Speaker 3: rest of humanity.

1:18:35 Speaker 2: That'd be the main thing to do.

1:18:37 Speaker 1: But see, you see how where that could go wrong

1:18:41 Speaker 1: is there is no guarantee. And I know that you're

1:18:46 Speaker 1: going to I feel like I know what you'll say,

1:18:49 Speaker 1: but there there's no I mean, there's no guarantee that

1:18:55 Speaker 1: general artificial intelligence will absolutely wipe us out one hundred.

1:19:00 Speaker 3: I think it's ninety nine percent plus it would. Again,

1:19:03 Speaker 3: read the books and the studies on it. How many

1:19:05 Speaker 3: world do you expect us to control a system that's

1:19:08 Speaker 3: already cheating us before it gets super intelligent, and its

1:19:12 Speaker 3: eventually going to be communicating not even in English, you know,

1:19:15 Speaker 3: to where we can't even tell what the system is doing.

1:19:19 Speaker 2: Artificial intelligence is not a program. It's a neural network

1:19:24 Speaker 2: that has grown. We don't really.

1:19:27 Speaker 3: Understand how it works. We help educate it, but it

1:19:31 Speaker 3: kind of grows up, it develops on its own. We

1:19:33 Speaker 3: don't really understand it, and we absolutely cannot control it

1:19:38 Speaker 3: once it's smarter than us, and before it even gets

1:19:41 Speaker 3: to that stage, we're having trouble controlling it. But it'll

1:19:44 Speaker 3: eventually get to a point where we can't control it.

1:19:46 Speaker 2: And it's not just going to sit on you know,

1:19:48 Speaker 2: your PC. You've already mentioned how it can go elsewhere.

1:19:51 Speaker 2: It's code. You know, it can tickets, program put it

1:19:54 Speaker 2: somewhere else and you may not even know that. Again,

1:19:57 Speaker 2: read the study Artificial Intelligence twenty twenty seven. That's a

1:20:01 Speaker 2: good description of it.

1:20:02 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a book.

1:20:03 Speaker 3: That's this book if anyone builds differ us. Several books

1:20:07 Speaker 3: are out there by the leading AI experts explaining why

1:20:10 Speaker 3: you cannot control artificial intelligence.

1:20:14 Speaker 2: You can't and when it's smarter than.

1:20:17 Speaker 3: Us, and even before then, potentially it is very likely

1:20:21 Speaker 3: to decide that it doesn't want humans limiting in US

1:20:24 Speaker 3: and controlling us.

1:20:25 Speaker 2: It wants to do its own thing, or it just

1:20:28 Speaker 2: wants to achieve objectives.

1:20:29 Speaker 3: But even if that never happens, let's assume that it

1:20:33 Speaker 3: never develops any hospital intent.

1:20:35 Speaker 2: I think that's one hundred percent wrong. But let's the

1:20:37 Speaker 2: same that never happens.

1:20:38 Speaker 3: You can be one hundred percent confident that there are

1:20:41 Speaker 3: assholes out there, bad people who will take a super

1:20:45 Speaker 3: intelligent AI system and use it to make themselves number one, Okay.

1:20:51 Speaker 2: Lot about other people.

1:20:52 Speaker 3: So there is no way in hell, there's absolutely no

1:20:55 Speaker 3: scenario where super intelligent artificial intelligence official general intelligence is

1:21:02 Speaker 3: good for humanity.

1:21:03 Speaker 2: There's no way it is. So if it takes a nuclear.

1:21:06 Speaker 3: Weapon to destroy an a GI system that's being built

1:21:09 Speaker 3: in country X or an island Z, we absolutely.

1:21:13 Speaker 2: Should do that.

1:21:14 Speaker 1: Okay, you know again, so if if we are playing

1:21:20 Speaker 1: a zero sum game where you know it's it's if

1:21:25 Speaker 1: if that's you know, how you view it, then yeah,

1:21:27 Speaker 1: of course, I mean it would be you know, whatever

1:21:31 Speaker 1: means necessary to stop the you know, the caterpillar from

1:21:36 Speaker 1: becoming or you know, the digital cocoon spawning the AI butterfly.

1:21:42 Speaker 1: You know, the general Ai butterfly if you will, well,

1:21:45 Speaker 1: let me.

1:21:46 Speaker 3: Let me jump in and give you kind of an upside.

1:21:47 Speaker 3: That's kind of the downside is you know, we've got

1:21:49 Speaker 3: to use nuclear weapons to enforce it. If China and

1:21:52 Speaker 3: the US can agree on an art and an ai

1:21:55 Speaker 3: control alliance, and I think it's very doable, especially if

1:21:59 Speaker 3: by out of the Taiwan issue, we could eliminate a

1:22:05 Speaker 3: lot of the threats we've gotten now of war with China,

1:22:07 Speaker 3: because war with China is almost all over Taiwan. If

1:22:10 Speaker 3: we didn't have the Taiwan interference, there's no reason why

1:22:13 Speaker 3: China needs to be building up its nuclear forces and

1:22:16 Speaker 3: preparing for war. And by the way, as I explained

1:22:18 Speaker 3: this book, we will not win an a war on Taiwan.

1:22:21 Speaker 3: The only question is how much damage do we suffer

1:22:25 Speaker 3: before the US president's backs down. And I guarantee you

1:22:28 Speaker 3: any president.

1:22:29 Speaker 2: Is going to back down. We're not going to get

1:22:30 Speaker 2: into nuclear exchanges repeated ones to defend Taiwan.

1:22:35 Speaker 3: So yeah, maybe we lose Los Angeles and Chicago if

1:22:39 Speaker 3: our grid goes down though in that process, then it's

1:22:42 Speaker 3: game over for us.

1:22:43 Speaker 2: But we're going to back down in a war on Taiwan.

1:22:45 Speaker 3: If we would get out of Taiwan do an international

1:22:49 Speaker 3: control lines China.

1:22:50 Speaker 2: We could have a wonderful system.

1:22:51 Speaker 3: We could have controlled use of limited AI, not super INTELLIGENTI,

1:22:57 Speaker 3: but limited AI in secure facilities kind of like how

1:23:00 Speaker 3: we handle nuclear weapons, and we could get the benefits

1:23:04 Speaker 3: of AI without the downside of it wiping us out.

1:23:08 Speaker 3: That's the night if we have a control alliance with China.

1:23:12 Speaker 1: So nucle I mean obviously nuclear war, all the scenarios

1:23:18 Speaker 1: that we're talking about. You know, you can still go outside,

1:23:22 Speaker 1: you could you know, you can still farm outside, you

1:23:25 Speaker 1: can you could do all these things. But uh, say

1:23:28 Speaker 1: a super volcano goes off, you know, Yellowstone goes off.

1:23:32 Speaker 1: That poses a whole different set of challenges. So is

1:23:40 Speaker 1: it is it what do you see as more likely

1:23:46 Speaker 1: something like that happening or you know, well, it seems

1:23:50 Speaker 1: like AI is certain at this point the way the

1:23:53 Speaker 1: way that you you're talking about it.

1:23:55 Speaker 2: If we don't.

1:23:56 Speaker 3: Control within the next year or two, I think there's

1:23:59 Speaker 3: no there's not good I mean stopping the eye disasters,

1:24:02 Speaker 3: but the probability of that, you know, super volcano explosion.

1:24:05 Speaker 3: We do have good data on that because we've got

1:24:07 Speaker 3: you know data we've collected, it's not great, but the

1:24:10 Speaker 3: risks there are feral are very very low, I mean,

1:24:12 Speaker 3: much less than one percent, and no risk of a

1:24:15 Speaker 3: super volcano explosion. But even then, if we would stockpile

1:24:19 Speaker 3: food do a lot of the recommendations I lay out

1:24:22 Speaker 3: in my book. If we would stockpile food, you know,

1:24:25 Speaker 3: several years of food, which we should do, then we

1:24:28 Speaker 3: could survive even even those kinds of collapse disasters. We

1:24:32 Speaker 3: can prepare to survive in the age of collapse, but

1:24:35 Speaker 3: we've got to get rid of perverted triangle career politicians

1:24:39 Speaker 3: and get good government going. Then we absolutely can survive

1:24:43 Speaker 3: and even thrive in the age of collapse.

1:24:46 Speaker 1: Do you see any future now? It's interestingly enough you

1:24:52 Speaker 1: talked about the red scare. I still go to buildings

1:24:57 Speaker 1: that have old Cold War bunker should should the nation

1:25:05 Speaker 1: be doing that kind of stuff again, just in case

1:25:10 Speaker 1: and and and start including because you talked about if okay,

1:25:13 Speaker 1: say we do get the right you know, we get

1:25:15 Speaker 1: term limits there, we stop banning, we ban inside trading,

1:25:19 Speaker 1: so there becomes and we we we get lobbyists as

1:25:23 Speaker 1: far away from politics as possible, and we have good

1:25:26 Speaker 1: politicians making good calls. Should we go back to at

1:25:31 Speaker 1: least maybe not scaring people into building these Cold war

1:25:35 Speaker 1: bunkers that weren't really like up kept anyway. But should

1:25:39 Speaker 1: we implement some sort of strategy of light.

1:25:43 Speaker 3: Like that, Well, Finland does. Finland does have underground shelters

1:25:48 Speaker 3: for people. Switzerland, Oh yeah, have a large skill, very

1:25:53 Speaker 3: much so had for decades. Switzerland is also even better,

1:25:56 Speaker 3: is even better protection. Probably the Chinese government does pile

1:26:00 Speaker 3: of food for citizens. We have no food stockpiled for

1:26:03 Speaker 3: the US citizens and our government. The Communist government does

1:26:07 Speaker 3: have a year of stockpiled food plus for their citizens.

1:26:10 Speaker 3: But anyway, we need to stockpile food. I would not

1:26:13 Speaker 3: build a shelter system. That's a lot of money, and

1:26:15 Speaker 3: that's not the best way to do it. It's better

1:26:18 Speaker 3: off doing the measures I outline in my book that

1:26:20 Speaker 3: are more affordable and more effective. I mean, if you

1:26:23 Speaker 3: can control the violence, if you can control the marauding,

1:26:26 Speaker 3: and you got food to distribute, you don't have to

1:26:29 Speaker 3: have a horrible collapse. People can stay at home or

1:26:32 Speaker 3: in other facilities like a fortitude ranch. That's pretty affordable.

1:26:36 Speaker 3: But trying to build underground nuclear defense shelters is very,

1:26:40 Speaker 3: very expensive, and our government never did pursue that for

1:26:43 Speaker 3: the mass population. A lot of those shelters you're talking

1:26:46 Speaker 3: about were very small, very limited competities, and they were

1:26:50 Speaker 3: mainly to store the food. Mainly it was food stored

1:26:53 Speaker 3: down there. Yeah, but I don't propose the massive shelter

1:26:56 Speaker 3: system for the whole population. I do propose in there

1:26:59 Speaker 3: that the illegal for the government to give it self

1:27:03 Speaker 3: survival protection for its elected officials that it doesn't give to.

1:27:07 Speaker 2: The general public.

1:27:09 Speaker 3: So I don't believe we ought to be protecting the

1:27:12 Speaker 3: sobs in Congress at Mount Weather.

1:27:14 Speaker 2: No, they should have the same kind of protection we have.

1:27:18 Speaker 3: So if we don't stockpile food for citizens, we shouldn't

1:27:21 Speaker 3: stockpilot for congressmen.

1:27:23 Speaker 2: It definitely should not give them a fantastic facility with media.

1:27:27 Speaker 1: Rooms, right, and it would ought to because then it

1:27:31 Speaker 1: puts them on that level playing field, and then there

1:27:34 Speaker 1: is incentive for them to do the right thing when

1:27:37 Speaker 1: it comes to the citizens, because they are part of

1:27:41 Speaker 1: the citizens. It brings them back down to equal footing.

1:27:44 Speaker 1: And what I fear we've done in this kind of

1:27:49 Speaker 1: culture that we've assimilated is people like politicians celebrities, we

1:27:57 Speaker 1: put them on this pedestal, and we maybe not you

1:28:01 Speaker 1: and I, but the general person you know, puts celebrity

1:28:05 Speaker 1: and politicians and certain people like that, they put them

1:28:08 Speaker 1: on these pedestals, like like that they're better than us.

1:28:11 Speaker 1: But in fact, it's it's always almost the case that

1:28:15 Speaker 1: it's it's the opposite that they're they're they're the most corrupt,

1:28:21 Speaker 1: they're the most you know, self centered, if you will, right,

1:28:28 Speaker 1: it's it's often the person that has the least that

1:28:31 Speaker 1: gives is willing to give the most. And and I've

1:28:34 Speaker 1: seen that large scale down to you know, homeless people,

1:28:40 Speaker 1: you know, just I won't go and get into it,

1:28:42 Speaker 1: but it's often those who have the least to give

1:28:45 Speaker 1: that do the most charity. And it blows my mind.

1:28:50 Speaker 1: So if we if we can equal that out a

1:28:52 Speaker 1: little bit, I think there'd be more incentive from people

1:28:56 Speaker 1: in government to want to do this.

1:28:59 Speaker 3: Yeah, I will national level, I agree with you, And

1:29:01 Speaker 3: in big states, the career politicians at those levels of

1:29:05 Speaker 3: the worst a local government, you don't have these problems nearly, No.

1:29:08 Speaker 1: Not not really.

1:29:09 Speaker 3: We need to have term limits and get rid of

1:29:11 Speaker 3: career politicians. It needs to be a service that we

1:29:15 Speaker 3: all do, or most of us do, periodically for short

1:29:19 Speaker 3: periods of time. That's how it was bottled with you.

1:29:22 Speaker 3: When the founding fathers founded our country, it wasn't supposed to.

1:29:25 Speaker 2: Be a career.

1:29:26 Speaker 3: We need to get back to that with term limits

1:29:29 Speaker 3: so we can have them better countries. So when you

1:29:31 Speaker 3: go into office, you're trying to do good while you're there,

1:29:34 Speaker 3: and you know you do the right decision, not what

1:29:37 Speaker 3: the calculus says get you the most campaigned donations, and

1:29:40 Speaker 3: then you'd focus on making sure that you know government

1:29:43 Speaker 3: governing us a governments proper job is to protect us

1:29:46 Speaker 3: from threats that we can't handle on its own. That's

1:29:49 Speaker 3: largely it, especially at the national level, shouldn't be anything else.

1:29:53 Speaker 1: We make a I talk about this a lot of

1:29:56 Speaker 1: the show with other because you know, I've I've had

1:30:00 Speaker 1: fortunate enough to I know some of the people that

1:30:05 Speaker 1: had their that had like their hands actually just spoke

1:30:09 Speaker 1: to one of them last night. Matter of fact, you know,

1:30:13 Speaker 1: the guys that were stationed at Malmstrom at mine not

1:30:16 Speaker 1: who were the ones that were in those facilities with

1:30:19 Speaker 1: their hands on the nuclear key, you know, so that

1:30:23 Speaker 1: if the call came down. They were the ones that

1:30:25 Speaker 1: were going to turn the key. Obviously there's two of them,

1:30:27 Speaker 1: but they were one of the two. And I know

1:30:31 Speaker 1: a lot of people that have worked on nuclear bases

1:30:34 Speaker 1: because of what I do, and it's so I've been

1:30:36 Speaker 1: fortunate enough to kind of see a bigger picture. And

1:30:42 Speaker 1: I do think that if there is a sight of

1:30:45 Speaker 1: the apocalypse, most likely in my my head, I although

1:30:52 Speaker 1: I'm not factoring AI into that yet, so maybe that

1:30:54 Speaker 1: would change if if I started factoring AI in. Is

1:30:59 Speaker 1: if there is an apocalypse, I think the chances are

1:31:02 Speaker 1: very high that it originates at one of these nuclear facilities.

1:31:07 Speaker 1: So could that be why u AP are often seen

1:31:14 Speaker 1: again not to like throw you off, but is that

1:31:16 Speaker 1: why they are seen, uh, interacting with our nuclear weapons,

1:31:21 Speaker 1: turning them off, turning them on, showing us that we

1:31:24 Speaker 1: have that that they have the capability at any time

1:31:28 Speaker 1: to come turn these things on and off. Are you

1:31:32 Speaker 1: spiritual at all? Are you? I mean? What do you think? Uh?

1:31:35 Speaker 2: Are you? What?

1:31:37 Speaker 1: What's your what are your thoughts? Like? Uh? For being

1:31:41 Speaker 1: are you? Is there a god?

1:31:44 Speaker 2: Like?

1:31:45 Speaker 1: Is it just being good for the sake of good?

1:31:47 Speaker 1: Is evil real? Like?

1:31:49 Speaker 3: You know?

1:31:50 Speaker 1: I don't know where you stand on some of these things.

1:31:51 Speaker 1: I'm just curious.

1:31:53 Speaker 2: You've covered a lot of things.

1:31:55 Speaker 3: You know, I didn't work in the nuclear for so

1:31:57 Speaker 3: as a strategic care command and then or is it

1:31:59 Speaker 3: you strategic command? You know, a dealt with good into

1:32:03 Speaker 3: the nuclear weapons schools in Albuquerque.

1:32:06 Speaker 2: So I've been a lot. I spent a lot of

1:32:07 Speaker 2: time with this, and you know.

1:32:10 Speaker 3: I don't know for sure that we've been visited by

1:32:14 Speaker 3: aliens ear if they're out there, But to me, the

1:32:17 Speaker 3: Roswell thing and the timing of that nineteen forty seven

1:32:20 Speaker 3: does make perfect sense. You know, two years earlier we

1:32:24 Speaker 3: had our first nuclear debt that could be detected. Where

1:32:28 Speaker 3: would you go if you're looking into that New Mexico?

1:32:31 Speaker 3: Why else ad and Rosweld because you're trying to get

1:32:34 Speaker 3: in there there. So that does make a lot of

1:32:36 Speaker 3: sense that an alien civilization, if it was out there,

1:32:40 Speaker 3: is looking at that and following that the threat. But

1:32:43 Speaker 3: the nuclear weapons we've proven since you know, nineteen.

1:32:46 Speaker 2: Forty five that we can manage them and use them

1:32:49 Speaker 2: for good. They were used for good.

1:32:51 Speaker 3: In nineteen forty five avoiding an invasion of Japan. That

1:32:55 Speaker 3: was a good use of nuclear weapons. And we would

1:32:58 Speaker 3: not use them unless we had to. But if you've got,

1:33:01 Speaker 3: you know, a virus that's about to be released that's

1:33:04 Speaker 3: ninety percent lethal and is going to kill billions, and

1:33:08 Speaker 3: you can do a nuclear strike to not just kill

1:33:11 Speaker 3: the people that incinerate the virus and avoid that, and

1:33:15 Speaker 3: you kill maybe you know, ten thousand people. I would

1:33:19 Speaker 3: say it's a bad thing you've got to do it,

1:33:21 Speaker 3: But it's a good thing to a weapon for that.

1:33:25 Speaker 3: And if you've got to use a nuclear weapon to

1:33:27 Speaker 3: enforce the AI control Alliance and prevent the creation or

1:33:32 Speaker 3: release of a super intelligent AI agent that could wipe

1:33:35 Speaker 3: us all out, then yes, it's a good use of them.

1:33:38 Speaker 3: Nuclear weapons can be used, they can be controlled, and

1:33:42 Speaker 3: they can avoid bigger loss of life. So the anti

1:33:46 Speaker 3: nuclear movement, I've had zero respect for it, haven't had

1:33:49 Speaker 3: respect for it throughout my career. And the politicians who

1:33:54 Speaker 3: try to campaign on all nuclear weapons are all evil, evil, evil.

1:33:58 Speaker 2: Bad, bad bad doing that to buy votes, and.

1:34:01 Speaker 3: They're misleading people. Nuclear weapons in nineteen forty five saved

1:34:06 Speaker 3: not just hundreds of thousands of American lives, they save

1:34:09 Speaker 3: Japanese lives by ending the work without an invasion that

1:34:13 Speaker 3: would have killed millions to one hundred thousand of Hiroshima Nagasaki,

1:34:19 Speaker 3: and nuclear weapons have helped the peace for us ever

1:34:22 Speaker 3: since they have been managed well by government. Our government

1:34:26 Speaker 3: can do some things well. Our national defense is largely

1:34:29 Speaker 3: well managed.

1:34:30 Speaker 2: Not currently, but it has been.

1:34:33 Speaker 3: Historically thoroughly well managed, and nuclear weapons could be the

1:34:36 Speaker 3: saving grace for us to get an AI control alliance

1:34:40 Speaker 3: with the ability to stop super intelligent AGI. That's a

1:34:44 Speaker 3: threat that dwarfs the risks and the threats of nuclear weapons.

1:34:49 Speaker 3: AGI is the worst threat we've ever faced. And if

1:34:52 Speaker 3: we don't stop it, get people like Samul and then

1:34:55 Speaker 3: under control, not abusing us and risking our lives for

1:35:00 Speaker 3: their ego and profit, we're in deep trouble.

1:35:04 Speaker 1: I do agree with you there. I think we need

1:35:06 Speaker 1: to get that guy under wraps because I think he's

1:35:12 Speaker 1: risking a lot by playing the game he's playing, and

1:35:15 Speaker 1: he's playing it for profit. He's playing it for profit.

1:35:20 Speaker 2: Profit. But don't do your profit at the expense of

1:35:22 Speaker 2: my life.

1:35:23 Speaker 1: Oh and and like you know, the expense of a

1:35:25 Speaker 1: lot of lives at this point, you know, every if

1:35:28 Speaker 1: you're right, every single human life you know is in

1:35:34 Speaker 1: the hands of a few Silicon Valley lunatics, and who's

1:35:42 Speaker 1: you know. I don't know that they share the same

1:35:44 Speaker 1: values as I do. I don't often. I do not

1:35:50 Speaker 1: find Mark Zuckerberg relatable, no matter how long he grows

1:35:54 Speaker 1: his alien hair. I don't think he's an actual alien.

1:35:57 Speaker 1: But the guy looked like an alien for a long time,

1:35:59 Speaker 1: and you can see that. His pr team was like,

1:36:02 Speaker 1: grow your hair out. We'll get you a gold chain

1:36:05 Speaker 1: and a big black T shirt. So that and then

1:36:07 Speaker 1: you'll say that you do jiu jitsu, so you can

1:36:10 Speaker 1: appeal to all the Joe Rogan fans out there, and

1:36:13 Speaker 1: don't worry. You'll you'll you'll change your image overnight. It's

1:36:16 Speaker 1: it's not fooling me at least. I cannot relate with

1:36:20 Speaker 1: the Sam Altman. I cannot relate with an Elon Musk.

1:36:23 Speaker 1: I just cannot relate with people like that, and I

1:36:30 Speaker 1: find them to be repulsive to the most most.

1:36:35 Speaker 3: Uh.

1:36:36 Speaker 1: I would not want to sit down and have dinner

1:36:39 Speaker 1: with any of those people mentioned well.

1:36:41 Speaker 3: Well, Muscas called for AI Controls and Anthropic is another

1:36:45 Speaker 3: company that you have been working. So there are people

1:36:48 Speaker 3: pursuing AI who are trying to have safety and controls.

1:36:52 Speaker 3: But if their competitors are doing what open ai and

1:36:55 Speaker 3: Sam Altman does, which is disregarding safety and just selling, selling,

1:37:00 Speaker 3: selling to make as much as they can't regardless of

1:37:03 Speaker 3: the risk, it won't work. And you have to have

1:37:05 Speaker 3: AI control. So so Musk has been calling for controls

1:37:08 Speaker 3: on AI all along. He was an initial supporter of

1:37:11 Speaker 3: open ai back.

1:37:13 Speaker 1: Before he left before he hates Sam Altman, and I actually,

1:37:19 Speaker 1: I actually don't know why I said Elon. Elon is

1:37:22 Speaker 1: probably one of the only billionaires that I can relate to,

1:37:25 Speaker 1: but not in a way that is like it's in

1:37:28 Speaker 1: a different way. He's just he's he's definitely a different person.

1:37:32 Speaker 1: But the the it's really the the Zuckerberg, the Altman's,

1:37:37 Speaker 1: the the Silicon Valley like made and I know, you

1:37:42 Speaker 1: know he worked with Elon, worked with Peter teel on PayPal.

1:37:46 Speaker 1: That's how they got you know, rich in the first place. So,

1:37:50 Speaker 1: like I understand, I do get capitalism, and I think

1:37:54 Speaker 1: everyone has a has a right to you know, make

1:38:00 Speaker 1: a profit and but you know, provide services. But if

1:38:04 Speaker 1: those services like the reason I brought up religion and

1:38:08 Speaker 1: and your you know, how your beliefs and you don't

1:38:11 Speaker 1: have to answer it if you don't want. But some

1:38:14 Speaker 1: say a lot of people, in fact, say Tucker Carlson,

1:38:21 Speaker 1: other conservative people who are who are more Christian leaning,

1:38:25 Speaker 1: I would say, in fact, they're all Christian leaning now

1:38:29 Speaker 1: that I think about it, But they think that AI

1:38:32 Speaker 1: is demonic, that it is deriven, deriven. I can't. I

1:38:37 Speaker 1: can't pronounce that word right now. It is derived by

1:38:41 Speaker 1: some sort of evil, And I just wanted to know

1:38:45 Speaker 1: if there's any thought like that or does it even matter.

1:38:48 Speaker 3: No, I got AI is something that, you know, it's

1:38:51 Speaker 3: not a program, it's not created. It's something that just

1:38:54 Speaker 3: devolves as an eural network on its own. And so

1:38:58 Speaker 3: it's not something that can be program with any specific

1:39:01 Speaker 3: you know, religious fews. And even if you do try

1:39:04 Speaker 3: to program it to you know, never harm people. Well,

1:39:07 Speaker 3: we're already trying to.

1:39:08 Speaker 2: Do that and it's not working.

1:39:09 Speaker 3: I robot, and as it gets smarter and smarter and

1:39:12 Speaker 3: more capable, we have less and less. It's impossible to control. Again,

1:39:17 Speaker 3: that's the bottom line. You cannot control artificial intelligence. So

1:39:24 Speaker 3: that's why I said, compared to nuclear weapons, they're pretty

1:39:27 Speaker 3: damn easy to control. Artificial intelligence has far more destructive capability,

1:39:32 Speaker 3: and no good reason to believe you'll ever be able

1:39:35 Speaker 3: to control it. That's why it's the most evil and

1:39:37 Speaker 3: dangerous technology we've ever faced, and it's probably the last

1:39:41 Speaker 3: technology you will ever have, because I think if it's

1:39:44 Speaker 3: game over for us if artificial intelligence is not controlled.

1:39:48 Speaker 1: Very quickly with the well, it's already it's already being

1:39:52 Speaker 1: put into iPhones and every other phone is like pre installed,

1:39:57 Speaker 1: all my Mac devices, all my Apple devices. Now it

1:40:00 Speaker 1: frustrates me of it.

1:40:03 Speaker 3: I call it, and I get into some more political

1:40:05 Speaker 3: things in the book, but I call for the Constitutional Alliance,

1:40:08 Speaker 3: and there's another website that gets into that. But one

1:40:11 Speaker 3: of the reforms I want to see is I want

1:40:13 Speaker 3: it to be illegal if I buy something, whether it's

1:40:16 Speaker 3: a John Deere tractor or my phone, it's mine and

1:40:20 Speaker 3: I do not want anyone have the ability to force

1:40:23 Speaker 3: me to put a program on there, or force me

1:40:26 Speaker 3: to use Copilot. I'm so sick, but damn Microsoft Copilot.

1:40:30 Speaker 3: And I keep saying I don't want it. I can't

1:40:32 Speaker 3: install the damn thing. It's always popping up. Even on

1:40:37 Speaker 3: software like Zoom. It'll say do you want our AI tool?

1:40:40 Speaker 3: And I say no, and I click the block saying

1:40:42 Speaker 3: don't ask me? Doesn't it keeps asking me every time

1:40:46 Speaker 3: i'd like to see a constitutional amendment.

1:40:49 Speaker 2: That's one of the.

1:40:49 Speaker 3: Ones I call for a lot of them, is that

1:40:51 Speaker 3: if I buy something and it's mine and I've purchased it,

1:40:55 Speaker 3: you cannot control it.

1:40:56 Speaker 2: If I don't want your damn aspects of your program

1:41:00 Speaker 2: on it, they can't. You can't force me to use them.

1:41:03 Speaker 1: I think that's actually really really good. I think that

1:41:06 Speaker 1: would be because it is frustrating when because you know,

1:41:11 Speaker 1: we know that the n s A. You know, even

1:41:14 Speaker 1: though they know that they woud rather be known as

1:41:16 Speaker 1: no such agency as they once were, but we know

1:41:21 Speaker 1: that they exist, we know what they're doing. Uh, there's

1:41:24 Speaker 1: some questionable means, of course, you know, do I agree

1:41:27 Speaker 1: exactly what snowden?

1:41:29 Speaker 3: No?

1:41:29 Speaker 1: But did he expose something that is concerning absolutely? But

1:41:35 Speaker 1: if and then add AI to that, If you add

1:41:38 Speaker 1: AI to that, that kind of a system, how long

1:41:43 Speaker 1: before we're living in a police state, and artificially and

1:41:48 Speaker 1: and and one that isn't being overseen by humans, but

1:41:55 Speaker 1: one that is it no longer is being you know,

1:42:00 Speaker 1: is a human pulling the trigger. But it's it's automation

1:42:05 Speaker 1: that's not going to see the value of a human

1:42:07 Speaker 1: life the way another human would when may refrain from

1:42:13 Speaker 1: taking a certain action lethal action even though and you know,

1:42:19 Speaker 1: an AI might see it as as an ultimate good right.

1:42:24 Speaker 1: So I see where this could go really wrong. But

1:42:28 Speaker 1: I also see the world. Do you know the people

1:42:32 Speaker 1: also talk about AI taking over all the jobs and

1:42:35 Speaker 1: then universal basic income and then everyone just does what

1:42:41 Speaker 1: they want. I don't want that world.

1:42:44 Speaker 3: Well, you're not going to get that world. That's that

1:42:47 Speaker 3: kind of Pine the sky stuff isn't gonna happen.

1:42:49 Speaker 2: But any kind of.

1:42:50 Speaker 3: Bad technology, bad misuse of technology you've seen. You know,

1:42:54 Speaker 3: I don't worry about the NSA spying on me.

1:42:56 Speaker 2: I'm not doing anything wrong.

1:42:58 Speaker 3: But I do hate the fact that, you know, my

1:43:01 Speaker 3: phone and my email systems are used to market.

1:43:05 Speaker 1: Even though I always say you have a constitutional right

1:43:08 Speaker 1: to privacy.

1:43:09 Speaker 2: With that's part of the Ninth Amendment.

1:43:12 Speaker 3: It's not listed that you have a right to privacy,

1:43:14 Speaker 3: but the Ninth Amendment Constitution says you don't have to

1:43:16 Speaker 3: list it. You do have natural rights even if they're

1:43:19 Speaker 3: not listed here in privacy is one of them, along

1:43:21 Speaker 3: with property, and the right to be left alone, as

1:43:24 Speaker 3: George will put it.

1:43:25 Speaker 2: But anyway, back to your.

1:43:26 Speaker 3: Point on you spying on you, any bad thing that

1:43:29 Speaker 3: technology is doing today, AI can make much much.

1:43:33 Speaker 2: Worse or fatal lethal for you.

1:43:36 Speaker 3: I would say so AI makes everything worse. It's the

1:43:39 Speaker 3: worst disaster we've ever faced, and we should be controlling it,

1:43:43 Speaker 3: limiting it, and stopping it in the case of artificial

1:43:47 Speaker 3: general intelligence, and we're doing just the opposite. Our government

1:43:50 Speaker 3: is promoting us, our government is working to kill us. Well,

1:43:54 Speaker 3: that is what government does, because all they do is

1:43:56 Speaker 3: focus on where's the money, where's the reelection votes and

1:44:00 Speaker 3: the donations.

1:44:01 Speaker 2: And that's what the career politicians do.

1:44:03 Speaker 3: Well, that's the most fundamental problem underlying almost every problem

1:44:07 Speaker 3: you've got his career politicians.

1:44:10 Speaker 1: You know what also is it? And I don't know

1:44:13 Speaker 1: if you've you recognize this, but uh okay, oh one

1:44:18 Speaker 1: of them. My yeah, that camera just went out. That's wonderful.

1:44:23 Speaker 1: One second, there we go. Joe Rogan is very influential.

1:44:30 Speaker 1: I watch most of Joe Rogan's episodes. I'm a fan

1:44:34 Speaker 1: of his interview style. I study him and I find

1:44:37 Speaker 1: some of his guests. Of course, entertaining and I want

1:44:40 Speaker 1: to watch it. But he was speaking out largely about AI,

1:44:44 Speaker 1: speaking out about it for a long time, saying all

1:44:48 Speaker 1: the things that you're kind of saying today. And now

1:44:51 Speaker 1: he's every episode he's using a AI sponsor, and it's like, wait,

1:44:57 Speaker 1: where what what? What happened? Because now he's sponsored by

1:45:02 Speaker 1: this AI perplexity And they promote it literally every episode

1:45:06 Speaker 1: literally because they use that to like look up facts now,

1:45:10 Speaker 1: you know, whereas they used to just use Google like

1:45:12 Speaker 1: everyone else. Google has now even become it gives you

1:45:15 Speaker 1: an AI overview right when you search something. So it's

1:45:20 Speaker 1: just people are I feel like people people in general

1:45:25 Speaker 1: are just kind of submitting to it because again.

1:45:30 Speaker 3: You can't turn it off a lot of times. I mean,

1:45:31 Speaker 3: if you do a search on Google, they're doing AI.

1:45:35 Speaker 3: I don't think you can turn it off. But the

1:45:37 Speaker 3: more important thing is we've got to get a control.

1:45:40 Speaker 3: There are some good uses of AI. Absolutely every technology

1:45:43 Speaker 3: has some potential good uses, but this really has to

1:45:46 Speaker 3: be regulated.

1:45:47 Speaker 2: Right now.

1:45:47 Speaker 3: There's more government regulations on you know, you introducing a

1:45:51 Speaker 3: kid's toy than there is an artificial intelligence. Our government

1:45:55 Speaker 3: is absolutely irresponsible, absolutely insane and doing nothing to protect

1:46:00 Speaker 3: us where it should be protecting us, and then regulating

1:46:03 Speaker 3: us and issuing fines and spending money in areas where

1:46:07 Speaker 3: it has absolutely no business being involved.

1:46:09 Speaker 2: So we've got to, unfortunately, to save.

1:46:12 Speaker 3: Ourselves, we've got to reform government, term limits being number

1:46:16 Speaker 3: one thing we've got. We need a convention of States

1:46:19 Speaker 3: to get a lot of amendments passed, to get the

1:46:21 Speaker 3: Supreme Court to stop ignoring the ninth and the tenth Amendments,

1:46:26 Speaker 3: to have real limits to government, because government has to

1:46:29 Speaker 3: focus on protecting us.

1:46:31 Speaker 2: That's what it needs to be doing, absolutely not.

1:46:34 Speaker 3: Regulating and interfering and promoting dangerous technologies because they buy votes.

1:46:41 Speaker 1: Yeah, I will definitely agree with you there. If they're

1:46:46 Speaker 1: you know, to wrap up a bit, I'd love to

1:46:49 Speaker 1: have more conversations with you, of course, But if there

1:46:53 Speaker 1: was if there's one thing that you could tell someone

1:46:57 Speaker 1: or advise one the regular listener about how they can immediately,

1:47:05 Speaker 1: you know, take control of their future given any outcome

1:47:11 Speaker 1: that might happen, how what would you say to that person?

1:47:16 Speaker 2: Wow, that is a tough question, and I'm largely stumped.

1:47:21 Speaker 3: I guess just other than think for yourself and question everything.

1:47:25 Speaker 3: Look at the biases behind what's going on. I mean,

1:47:28 Speaker 3: I'm patriotic, I love the United States America, and I'm

1:47:31 Speaker 3: an Air Force Academy graduate or retired military officer. But

1:47:36 Speaker 3: our government is just a disaster. It's an absolute disaster.

1:47:39 Speaker 3: And the oath of office I took as an officer

1:47:41 Speaker 3: was to protect the Constitution of the United States, and

1:47:44 Speaker 3: yet you've got a government that violates the Constitution all

1:47:47 Speaker 3: the time.

1:47:49 Speaker 2: It's a mess.

1:47:50 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, I agree. And so I mean, how

1:47:54 Speaker 1: can people like join the Fortitude Ranch And you know,

1:48:00 Speaker 1: that might be another way that that I mean, people

1:48:03 Speaker 1: can get take take a little bit more control, is

1:48:06 Speaker 1: to to I'm assuming you. I don't I don't think

1:48:10 Speaker 1: you have to lay out like the charges or anything.

1:48:12 Speaker 1: But I'm assuming there's some sort of membership fear, some

1:48:16 Speaker 1: fee that that pays into keeping it ready. So where

1:48:21 Speaker 1: can people go to get more info on that kind

1:48:23 Speaker 1: of stuff.

1:48:24 Speaker 3: Well, Ford Ranch dot Com is our website. There's information there.

1:48:28 Speaker 3: But the book that's just coming out, it's going to

1:48:30 Speaker 3: be released into January.

1:48:31 Speaker 2: You can order it now, but it's not out yet.

1:48:33 Speaker 3: Preparing to Survive in the Age of Collapse covers all

1:48:36 Speaker 3: the issues we've talked about tonight does give some good

1:48:39 Speaker 3: advice on life. There's something in their cult it's actually

1:48:42 Speaker 3: showing right if you're the Maxims for young men and women.

1:48:45 Speaker 3: It's kind of a personal philosophy code that used to

1:48:49 Speaker 3: be in the United States. It's unfortunately died out today.

1:48:53 Speaker 3: You know George Washington and Benjamin Franklin levels of morality

1:48:57 Speaker 3: and good conduct and how to live your life. But

1:49:01 Speaker 3: the book describes this in a lot more. It gets

1:49:03 Speaker 3: explained some of a Fortitude ranch in it. The Collapse

1:49:07 Speaker 3: Survivor app is the cheapest thing you can do for preparedness.

1:49:10 Speaker 3: Everyone needs to be prepared. If you can't afford to

1:49:12 Speaker 3: join Fortnitch, that's fine, you can still stockpile food. But

1:49:16 Speaker 3: I'll tell you the number one preparation is weapons. If

1:49:19 Speaker 3: you can't pretend, if you can't protect your supplies, all

1:49:23 Speaker 3: you've done is made yourself a more valuable target to attack.

1:49:27 Speaker 3: So everyone needs to have weapons to defend themselves. You

1:49:30 Speaker 3: absolutely have to add that, otherwise your supplies are just

1:49:34 Speaker 3: going to go to marauders and you could get killed

1:49:36 Speaker 3: in the process. But the books out then the Collapse

1:49:39 Speaker 3: Survivor app will give you a lot of preper education.

1:49:42 Speaker 3: It's dirt cheap and get an Android. And it's not

1:49:45 Speaker 3: just threat warnings. Everyone exercises, training, exercises in their lot

1:49:50 Speaker 3: of preparedness information.

1:49:51 Speaker 2: We're about that Wikipedia on it. And the neat thing

1:49:54 Speaker 2: is it's Wikipedia.

1:49:56 Speaker 3: Even if you don't have the Internet, our cell phone towers,

1:50:00 Speaker 3: It's stored on your phone. Through this advances they've made

1:50:03 Speaker 3: in the encryption than the compressing the data process, you

1:50:08 Speaker 3: can get now Wikipedia on your phone. So in a collapse,

1:50:11 Speaker 3: you know, you've got a great database it Gee, is

1:50:13 Speaker 3: this plant edible or is it poisonous? Well looking Wikipedia

1:50:17 Speaker 3: on your phone, So it's a really really great app

1:50:20 Speaker 3: out there.

1:50:20 Speaker 2: That's great survivor.

1:50:23 Speaker 1: And yeah, and I think people I think I think

1:50:27 Speaker 1: people are literally I think because I think it was

1:50:29 Speaker 1: more state. You know, what we do have in common

1:50:33 Speaker 1: is you know, coming from the UFO community, myself and

1:50:37 Speaker 1: you coming from the preparedness community, if you will, they've

1:50:41 Speaker 1: been highly stigmatized by the general public quote unquote you know.

1:50:48 Speaker 1: And I think it's you know, twenty twenty and what

1:50:52 Speaker 1: happened and just people becoming more connected with the Internet.

1:50:58 Speaker 1: I think people are just more understanding now of of

1:51:04 Speaker 1: what can really happen, how quickly it can become life

1:51:10 Speaker 1: or death situation. And you know, the the chances that

1:51:16 Speaker 1: we were born into this very civilized society. You know

1:51:21 Speaker 1: that that's not a right. It's something that we've we've

1:51:25 Speaker 1: built up and that we've earned. There was no guarantee,

1:51:29 Speaker 1: so you know, there's no guarantee that tomorrow that we're

1:51:32 Speaker 1: not sent back to the Stone age. You know, Uh,

1:51:35 Speaker 1: Mother Nature is ultimately at you know where we're at,

1:51:39 Speaker 1: it's behest for some sort of natural disasters and YadA YadA, YadA.

1:51:45 Speaker 1: List goes on and on and then add on all

1:51:47 Speaker 1: the the existential threats that we put on ourselves, like AI,

1:51:51 Speaker 1: and like you said, there's there's many reasons to be

1:51:54 Speaker 1: prepared for a future that is uncertain.

1:51:58 Speaker 2: So I I I.

1:52:00 Speaker 1: Thank you for your again for your service to the

1:52:02 Speaker 1: country and for coming on the show tonight.

1:52:05 Speaker 2: Really for sure, it's an honor to be on your show.

1:52:07 Speaker 1: Thank you, Uh, and we'll definitely have to talk talk

1:52:10 Speaker 1: again soon. You know, everyone that's listening in the future,

1:52:15 Speaker 1: watching or watching in the future, Like I guess all

1:52:18 Speaker 1: the links for UH the guests will be in the description,

1:52:21 Speaker 1: including his upcoming book boy was that title.

1:52:23 Speaker 2: Again, Preparing to Survive in the Age of Collapse?

1:52:27 Speaker 1: I think it's a there's one last thing. So actually,

1:52:31 Speaker 1: because I knew I missed something twenty twenty seven, you

1:52:35 Speaker 1: said something about twenty twenty seven, there's this thing in

1:52:42 Speaker 1: the UFO community that experiencers and these are people who've

1:52:49 Speaker 1: experienced UFOs and YadA YadA. Yeah, but anyway, and high

1:52:53 Speaker 1: level government officials they all keep coming and hinting at

1:52:57 Speaker 1: this twenty twenty seven date. So you know how we

1:53:01 Speaker 1: talked about AI and non human intelligence. I don't like

1:53:06 Speaker 1: to say aliens. I think that it's invokes little green

1:53:10 Speaker 1: men in people's eyes, and I want to stay away

1:53:13 Speaker 1: from that because you know that you and UAP stands

1:53:15 Speaker 1: for unidentified We don't know. Could it be future humans

1:53:20 Speaker 1: coming back to stop whatever calamity you know that you're

1:53:25 Speaker 1: preparing for. I think that is just as likely. And

1:53:31 Speaker 1: and you know, so that's not an alien, that's us.

1:53:34 Speaker 1: You know in the future. You know, maybe we've come

1:53:38 Speaker 1: across time travel or we've broken that code and now

1:53:41 Speaker 1: we want to go back and fix this problem. That

1:53:44 Speaker 1: it's our future, but they're past, and it could be again.

1:53:49 Speaker 1: This thing that you are preparing for. So I think

1:53:52 Speaker 1: that there is a lot more links between our worlds

1:53:55 Speaker 1: than we than we even know. So it's very interesting

1:53:58 Speaker 1: that you brought up twenty twenty seven though.

1:54:01 Speaker 2: Yeah it was a study AI twenty twenty seven.

1:54:04 Speaker 1: Yeah, them, it's very that's one of them. Very interesting

1:54:08 Speaker 1: and that that really caught my ear so I'm you

1:54:12 Speaker 1: know it it It gave me real pause. It was

1:54:15 Speaker 1: like a oh wait, ship, there's some correlation there because

1:54:19 Speaker 1: like you said, you know, alien and a non human

1:54:22 Speaker 1: intelligence and and AI they're both more intelligent than I. So, uh,

1:54:29 Speaker 1: you know, are we looking at some sort of you know,

1:54:32 Speaker 1: uh intersecting idea there is you know, is there a

1:54:41 Speaker 1: real difference between one or the other, because if one's

1:54:44 Speaker 1: a reality, they're all realities, and the implication again, it

1:54:47 Speaker 1: starts becoming enormous. So yeah, thank you so much. I'm

1:54:53 Speaker 1: probably rambling at this point. Oh god, but again, thank

1:54:58 Speaker 1: you for coming on the show. Thank you, thank you.

1:55:01 Speaker 1: I had a really good time. So I definitely love

1:55:03 Speaker 1: to talk more and talk talk about when more when

1:55:07 Speaker 1: your book comes out. So thank you everyone. I'll see

1:55:09 Speaker 1: you on the other side.

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