EAST COAST UFO SIGHTINGS EXPOSED- with Chrissy Newton

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0:19 Speaker 1: Welcome to Total Disclosure. I shall probably introduce myself and

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0:45 Speaker 1: we have Chrissy Newton joining us and from UFOs and

0:48 Speaker 1: astronomy to ancient civilizations. Her curiosity is as limitless as

0:53 Speaker 1: the universe. By day, i'se owner of Votab Communications and

0:57 Speaker 1: an award winning pr professional with a knack for getting

1:00 Speaker 1: people talking. And by night she hosts and produces the space, science, futurism,

1:05 Speaker 1: and UFO themed video and audio podcasts called Rebellous Rebelliously

1:10 Speaker 1: Curious with Chrissydoton for a science and space news website

1:14 Speaker 1: called The Debrief. We're all familiar with The Debrief here

1:17 Speaker 1: at Total Disclosure, as we use and cite their articles

1:20 Speaker 1: very often. Christy has appeared on History, E Talk, HGTV, newstation,

1:25 Speaker 1: DASH Radio, News Talk ten ten Marketing magazine, and numerous

1:29 Speaker 1: other media outlets, while recently becoming a host of an

1:33 Speaker 1: Alien Encounter's fact or fiction show airing on Discovery Plus

1:37 Speaker 1: and HBO Max. Additionally, she serves as a partner writer

1:40 Speaker 1: and director of the pr for Debrief, The Debrief, and

1:45 Speaker 1: recent winner of the Canadian Podcast Awards for Best Science Series.

1:50 Speaker 1: So we're going to bring in Wow, my computer is

1:54 Speaker 1: literally just something's wrong. That was probably the worst intro

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1:59 Speaker 2: No, well, I wouldn't say it. I just think it's

2:03 Speaker 2: I think maybe what I'm going to do is shorten

2:05 Speaker 2: my intros for people and just be like, this is Chrissy.

2:07 Speaker 2: She just does a lot of things.

2:09 Speaker 1: Well, all the tabs were literally flashing, so I'm like

2:14 Speaker 1: and then it was playing it back in my ear

2:16 Speaker 1: so I was like, oh my god, what is going

2:18 Speaker 1: on right? Like the whole system just like shut down.

2:22 Speaker 1: And it was very, very awkward. So I apologize for

2:25 Speaker 1: that really clunky intro. But we're here, Chrissy. Thank you

2:29 Speaker 1: so much for joining me.

2:31 Speaker 2: Thank you thanks for having me.

2:32 Speaker 1: Ty I got so, do you live in Canada?

2:35 Speaker 2: I do, Yeah, I live in Toronto mainly, but I'm

2:38 Speaker 2: in Los Angeles a lot for work for friends, I

2:41 Speaker 2: also just like I'm in I shouldn't even just say

2:43 Speaker 2: Los Angeles. I'm in the States a lot, traveling. Sometimes

2:47 Speaker 2: I'm out there, like if I'm meeting people, having meetings

2:49 Speaker 2: and just kind of going back and forth a lot,

2:52 Speaker 2: going to conventions if I've sometimes I've spoken at conventions,

2:56 Speaker 2: obviously filming when we did the show, so I've just

2:59 Speaker 2: I spent a lot of time. I'm in the States,

3:00 Speaker 2: but my home I am a Canadian and I live

3:03 Speaker 2: in Toronto, Canada.

3:05 Speaker 1: So everyone always tells me that I sound like I'm

3:08 Speaker 1: from Canada.

3:10 Speaker 2: I don't know what part of Canada, that's the question.

3:12 Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't tell me. They just say that I

3:14 Speaker 1: have a such a like an app and I'm from Boston,

3:17 Speaker 1: so I turn my accent off, and apparently when I

3:22 Speaker 1: do that, I sound Canadian. Get it.

3:25 Speaker 2: That might be like the way when people say, like

3:28 Speaker 2: I say about. I think some people say a boot

3:31 Speaker 2: a boot, but I or sometimes I say about and

3:34 Speaker 2: people laugh. I think there's a lot of other words

3:38 Speaker 2: that we have that roof and rough that's the other

3:41 Speaker 2: one people say, and we say roof. There's just so

3:44 Speaker 2: many of them, but usually people think I'm American. And

3:48 Speaker 2: then when I start talking and I talk for a

3:49 Speaker 2: longer period of time, then usually someone in the States

3:53 Speaker 2: will be like, well, there's the Canadian in you, and

3:55 Speaker 2: then they are to point it out, so you know,

3:57 Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm sorry. It's like there is sorry there

4:01 Speaker 2: you go. Now officially of Canadian on the show. That's

4:05 Speaker 2: the number one is I'm sorry, We're sorry.

4:08 Speaker 1: Sorry.

4:09 Speaker 2: Yeah, I give that that one. Yeah, we get many

4:11 Speaker 2: fun of that one a lot.

4:12 Speaker 1: I like it. I like it. I like it. I

4:14 Speaker 1: deemed it. I like it. So obviously, you know, working

4:19 Speaker 1: with the Debrief, I think you're so your work with

4:23 Speaker 1: the Brief places you at kind of a forefront of

4:26 Speaker 1: UFO journalism. So I just wanted to start it off

4:30 Speaker 1: by saying, you know, how, how have you seen the

4:33 Speaker 1: conversation around UFO's UAPs shift in mainstream media over the

4:37 Speaker 1: past couple of years?

4:39 Speaker 2: For sure, in a couple of years. Well, at first,

4:41 Speaker 2: I would say, like, for sure, the debrief is a

4:43 Speaker 2: forefront in UAP reporting, and I feel very grateful I

4:46 Speaker 2: get to do that with the team. You know, Tim

4:48 Speaker 2: McMillan writes a lot about it, myself and Micah Hanks,

4:51 Speaker 2: we all come at it from different perspectives, which I

4:54 Speaker 2: think is really cool. And we do have mainstream media

4:56 Speaker 2: that follows us, and you know, we're we're a growing outline,

5:00 Speaker 2: but for sure we do talk about the topic a

5:02 Speaker 2: lot more than a lot of mainstream outlets do. But

5:05 Speaker 2: how is the narrative shifted? For sure since twenty seventeen

5:09 Speaker 2: and the article with Leslie Kane and Ralph Blumenthal, the

5:12 Speaker 2: two journalists who wrote that article and really opened up

5:15 Speaker 2: the floodgates on the multiple programs, the program that was

5:19 Speaker 2: going on obviously with Louella Zondo, the twenty two million

5:23 Speaker 2: million blackpop programs that were earmarked, you know, and the

5:27 Speaker 2: funding which was a huge part that Healing Cooper thought

5:30 Speaker 2: was more of the story than the UFO aspect of it,

5:33 Speaker 2: which I think is kind of humorous. But I think

5:36 Speaker 2: that was when the that was the turning point I

5:39 Speaker 2: think in mainstream pop culture where people were like, we're

5:42 Speaker 2: going to take this serious. I think a lot of

5:44 Speaker 2: people forget that The New York Times has been reporting

5:46 Speaker 2: about UFOs from their earlier years, and you know, during

5:50 Speaker 2: the nineteen fifties, they were talking about it a lot,

5:54 Speaker 2: and they were really kind of unbiased as well, and

5:57 Speaker 2: they were sitting in the middle with reporting, and to

5:59 Speaker 2: this they still do as well. Right, it was very

6:03 Speaker 2: balanced reporting, I found and agree depending on who the

6:06 Speaker 2: writer is. We know that there's been tons of negative

6:09 Speaker 2: articles exactly once I could think of one, yes, But

6:14 Speaker 2: outside of him and maybe some other contributors, I do

6:18 Speaker 2: feel that that's kind of balanced reporting.

6:20 Speaker 1: Right.

6:20 Speaker 2: You can't always be positive. You have to show the

6:23 Speaker 2: negatives too, and so you just hope that that writer

6:26 Speaker 2: is not swayed in any degree or compromised in any degree.

6:30 Speaker 2: And if he's not compromised, then he's just trying to

6:32 Speaker 2: base things off what he feels are facts, right, or

6:36 Speaker 2: if he's evidence. But it doesn't mean that we just

6:39 Speaker 2: I don't know if he's compromised, and I think that's

6:43 Speaker 2: I don't even think the point of what we're discussing is.

6:46 Speaker 2: I think that is the mainstream conversation right now. Right,

6:49 Speaker 2: we have a lot of people that are agreeing or

6:51 Speaker 2: disagreeing about UFOs, and we need to do that. We

6:54 Speaker 2: need to have those hard conversations with each other, at

6:57 Speaker 2: least in the mainstream media and within the general public

7:00 Speaker 2: to get to a better idea of what these things are.

7:03 Speaker 2: We can't say yes to everything. We do have to

7:04 Speaker 2: say no too, right, we have to be mindful of both.

7:09 Speaker 1: Sorry, That's what I find so refreshing about Yeah. Did

7:13 Speaker 1: you hear it.

7:15 Speaker 2: About did you?

7:16 Speaker 1: Yeah? I think I just heard it to.

7:19 Speaker 2: Our side, to the dark side, Canadian side.

7:23 Speaker 1: Yeah, which is apparently Donald Trump said it was the

7:26 Speaker 1: fifty first statement. I know you. Oh my god, I

7:31 Speaker 1: know what a troll. He is a god. But I

7:37 Speaker 1: was sorry, I just got off it, okay. But what

7:40 Speaker 1: I find super refreshing about you is you're very data

7:44 Speaker 1: driven and an analytical. What you bring to the table

7:47 Speaker 1: is very analytical. So you know, even in watching your show,

7:53 Speaker 1: your podcast, you're not quick to jump to a story

7:57 Speaker 1: and call it a UFO just just for the sake of,

8:00 Speaker 1: you know, a good story, you know, quote unquote sexy story.

8:05 Speaker 1: If you find, you know pretty easily that it's a satellite,

8:08 Speaker 1: you're gonna come out and say it's a satellite. And

8:10 Speaker 1: I find that approach is definitely needed in this community

8:16 Speaker 1: when you know, people are so quick to share everything

8:19 Speaker 1: that they they that they see or film in the sky.

8:25 Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you. Thank you for seeing that too.

8:27 Speaker 2: I'm like I think for sure. I think we all

8:32 Speaker 2: have a place in this. Like for mine, I liked

8:34 Speaker 2: as a journalistic perspective, that's my job is to be

8:37 Speaker 2: able to get to the facts and then communicate those facts.

8:40 Speaker 2: And there's my cat in the background. There's Isaac.

8:43 Speaker 1: There is yeah, Isaac, my buddy.

8:46 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's so funny. Oh, he wants to get the tree.

8:52 Speaker 2: So you have it when you have cats on on podcasts,

8:54 Speaker 2: as I decide just to pop up and yeah, I

8:57 Speaker 2: think that the journalism side of me wants to be

8:59 Speaker 2: able to tell that's the story accurately with evidence and

9:02 Speaker 2: be able to back with sources because I feel that

9:04 Speaker 2: that is the most legit, and it also gives the

9:06 Speaker 2: ability when sources are on the record, it gives the

9:09 Speaker 2: ability for other people to do their own research and

9:12 Speaker 2: data analysis as well. Right, That's what That's why we

9:15 Speaker 2: source people, so that other outlets and maybe in civilian

9:18 Speaker 2: journalists can go and do their own work and find

9:20 Speaker 2: out more information. And it also just makes it more credible.

9:24 Speaker 2: So I do a here by journalistic standards obviously, like

9:28 Speaker 2: as much as we possibly can, I think that's the

9:31 Speaker 2: best guidelines to go by, especially since I work in

9:34 Speaker 2: news and write about it. And also it's just kind

9:37 Speaker 2: of the way I think. I do truly believe that

9:39 Speaker 2: something's going on, and I believe people, you know, I

9:41 Speaker 2: believe people that have seen something or they've experienced something.

9:45 Speaker 2: It just doesn't know that what they're seeing is always

9:47 Speaker 2: maybe what they think it is. It might not be accurate,

9:49 Speaker 2: and we can prove that it's not, which is like

9:51 Speaker 2: really great for the fact that we want to prove

9:55 Speaker 2: that things are not UFOs, to help us, help us

9:58 Speaker 2: identify that one percent that we still can't explain. And

10:01 Speaker 2: that's the part with thinking that I would like people

10:04 Speaker 2: to maybe reverse a little bit, is to think that

10:07 Speaker 2: let's let's let's try and prove all these things as

10:10 Speaker 2: much as possible so we can look at the less

10:13 Speaker 2: of that one percent to be like that's truly anomaloust

10:16 Speaker 2: and then we have better data sets on it. And

10:18 Speaker 2: to me, that makes uh, it's just to me, it

10:21 Speaker 2: seems a little bit more logical to do it that way.

10:24 Speaker 2: It's not a debunker. It's just someone trying to you know,

10:27 Speaker 2: narrow down to the closest to the truth.

10:29 Speaker 1: Yes, it's it's taking that scientific and journalistic approach where

10:36 Speaker 1: you know where in a while in a field that

10:40 Speaker 1: really doesn't allow as much as for you know, repeatability,

10:46 Speaker 1: and like, I want to prevent concrete evidence, so you

10:50 Speaker 1: have to be even more diligent than someone who's uh,

10:56 Speaker 1: you know, reporting on uh murder cases or whatever it is.

11:00 Speaker 1: I don't know, some more human So I understand that,

11:06 Speaker 1: and I really appreciate that. I think that that we

11:08 Speaker 1: need more like that in the community. So there has

11:12 Speaker 1: been a lot of talk about UAP incursions over a

11:16 Speaker 1: strictly airspace, particularly on my in my area around the

11:21 Speaker 1: East Coast. Are you familiar with what's or how familiar

11:26 Speaker 1: are you with what's going on right now?

11:28 Speaker 2: And do you mean from the drone and the stuff

11:30 Speaker 2: that's going on. Yeah, I'm really you know, I've I've

11:33 Speaker 2: spoken to different sources that would probably be closer to

11:39 Speaker 2: you know, working not I've spoken to many people that

11:42 Speaker 2: have worked in Intel throughout my career, but some of

11:44 Speaker 2: these people, for sure, I've spoken to other pilots, people

11:47 Speaker 2: that have a better idea how to identify these things.

11:51 Speaker 2: So some of them, you know, and are maybe closer

11:53 Speaker 2: to Intel than I am on a daily basis, and

11:56 Speaker 2: they don't even know to some degree. I think that

12:00 Speaker 2: what we need to be mindful of is that a

12:04 Speaker 2: you know, after observing this for like at least a

12:06 Speaker 2: month or the past couple of weeks consistently now within

12:09 Speaker 2: news media, I think we have to be mindful for sure.

12:12 Speaker 2: Some of these drones are people just messing around, right,

12:16 Speaker 2: There's a lot of those coming out and people doing

12:18 Speaker 2: I think there's a promotion once I shared it on

12:20 Speaker 2: my Instagram where it's like there's a drone and it's

12:23 Speaker 2: doing the ludacrous song roll Out. It's like playing it

12:28 Speaker 2: in the background, which is like hilarious because I shared

12:31 Speaker 2: it and somebody was like, is the aliens trying to

12:34 Speaker 2: tell me something? And really what it was was a

12:36 Speaker 2: promo for two DJs that we're like promoting a song

12:40 Speaker 2: and one of their ludicrous remixes, I said, roll Out,

12:44 Speaker 2: And it's hilarious and it's funny in marketing, but it's

12:46 Speaker 2: not helping us trying to figure out what's going on

12:48 Speaker 2: in the drone situation. So we're seeing a lot of

12:51 Speaker 2: like people's own independent drones, private drones, amateur flyers, amateur

12:57 Speaker 2: drone operators. But then we're also seeing like I think

13:01 Speaker 2: you were seeing a lot of these other size of

13:03 Speaker 2: drones out of the size of cars. Right, So there's

13:05 Speaker 2: a few things with that. We know that China recently,

13:09 Speaker 2: I think in January, there's a press release that went

13:11 Speaker 2: out that they do have drones now that are the

13:13 Speaker 2: size of cars. They have a self automated drone right

13:17 Speaker 2: now that does work automously and it doesn't need a pilot,

13:22 Speaker 2: and it's using it for hospital runs and tons of

13:24 Speaker 2: different things, and it can fit one passenger in it,

13:27 Speaker 2: and it has a drone shaped kind of body, the

13:29 Speaker 2: spider legs, and then it has a top. I don't

13:32 Speaker 2: know what the what it would look like in the evening,

13:34 Speaker 2: but I've seen photos of it in the day through

13:37 Speaker 2: some of these media outlets that have covered it. So

13:39 Speaker 2: I've looked at that and said, okay, well, we know

13:41 Speaker 2: China has the ability to have drone size vehicles. Right.

13:46 Speaker 2: The other conversation is, I know there's this huge nuclear

13:50 Speaker 2: conversation right now that's going on, but I believe there's

13:53 Speaker 2: a program called NEST and they look into It's part

13:57 Speaker 2: of a government agency that will go out and if

13:59 Speaker 2: there is something that any nuclear activity, they'll actually run

14:02 Speaker 2: out and go see what it is and obviously try

14:05 Speaker 2: to figure out what is the nuclear activity or what

14:10 Speaker 2: the product might be. So that team has not been

14:13 Speaker 2: called out so far from what we know, so I

14:15 Speaker 2: think we can rest assured that there's nothing nuclear or

14:18 Speaker 2: radioactive within what these drones are looking for. I think

14:22 Speaker 2: that's safe to say. Now. The question is and also

14:26 Speaker 2: now we've had the Department of Defense come forward and

14:28 Speaker 2: say that these drones there's nothing to worry about as

14:31 Speaker 2: a threat. You know, some of these they don't maybe

14:34 Speaker 2: know exactly what they are. Some of them are identifiable

14:36 Speaker 2: as drones, but there is no threat, and I don't

14:39 Speaker 2: think the American public believes that. And there isn't really

14:42 Speaker 2: any solid answers yet from what I know, unless something's

14:46 Speaker 2: come out today and I've just missed it. But from

14:48 Speaker 2: what I know, we don't have solid of why they're here,

14:50 Speaker 2: who are they and what are they If they are

14:52 Speaker 2: looking for something, what are they looking for? And if

14:54 Speaker 2: they're not, what are they spying on? Because it has

14:57 Speaker 2: been over a lot of military installation sites throughout not

15:01 Speaker 2: even not even the Germany, all throughout the US, but

15:07 Speaker 2: Germany and the UK have had the same issue. So

15:10 Speaker 2: if it is a foreign adversary actor, Then the question

15:13 Speaker 2: is who is it. If it is China, then you

15:16 Speaker 2: know they're flying in in air spaces with impunity and

15:20 Speaker 2: that and why are we lighting this happen? And there's

15:23 Speaker 2: two schools of thought of that too. But I'm talking

15:26 Speaker 2: so much, so I'll let you comment.

15:28 Speaker 1: Well, I've been working with different I don't know how much.

15:34 Speaker 1: I don't even want to be that person who says

15:36 Speaker 1: that I don't know how much I can say about

15:40 Speaker 1: what we're working on. But I'm working with a couple

15:43 Speaker 1: few members of Congress and I've contacted all. They have

15:47 Speaker 1: no idea and that scares me that it's kind of

15:53 Speaker 1: It's just it's a little bit unnerving. And you know,

15:57 Speaker 1: one of them sent me a message on signal that

16:01 Speaker 1: about the potential that they're looking for some sort of

16:07 Speaker 1: because I don't know if you heard the story, but

16:09 Speaker 1: in New Jersey some nuclear material came up missing, so

16:14 Speaker 1: you know it's it's what they need to do, yeah, right,

16:18 Speaker 1: radioactive materials.

16:19 Speaker 2: Some sort of program. Nest hasn't been called though, that's

16:22 Speaker 2: not that we know of.

16:24 Speaker 1: Right, right, And I believe Ryan Graves on Joe Rogan

16:27 Speaker 1: even said that he knows the people that if there

16:31 Speaker 1: was something like a nuclear situation, they would have more

16:37 Speaker 1: it would be more ground teams, yes, and he knows

16:40 Speaker 1: the people that would work it, and they're currently not

16:42 Speaker 1: working it. So I think rest is short. I think

16:45 Speaker 1: that that that is a little bit I think that's

16:48 Speaker 1: a little bit fear mongering, I think. But what the

16:51 Speaker 1: problem is is they've given so much room for speculation

16:56 Speaker 1: that theories like this start really airing people, right, And

17:02 Speaker 1: what the White House literally said, like, uh, you know,

17:06 Speaker 1: it's it's nothing, it's they're hot, they're they're they're all

17:09 Speaker 1: federally legally flying, and that is I mean, it's it's

17:15 Speaker 1: it's absolutely false. These things are flying at night. If

17:18 Speaker 1: they're there size of SUVs, they would require a permit

17:23 Speaker 1: from the FAA because it would be a large a large. Uh,

17:28 Speaker 1: it's it's a different classification than just a quad copter, right,

17:32 Speaker 1: and you'd need a special permit to fly it at

17:35 Speaker 1: night over residential areas, even just residential areas, and these

17:39 Speaker 1: things don't have that, and they're continuously seen going out

17:42 Speaker 1: over the ocean. So these are patterns that I'm sure

17:47 Speaker 1: you know are prevalent in this community. The ties between

17:53 Speaker 1: So yeah, how how wide? Why do you think the

17:58 Speaker 1: UFO community has attached to this story and really run

18:04 Speaker 1: with it. Do you think that someone is making you know,

18:09 Speaker 1: is someone is orchestrating that?

18:14 Speaker 2: No? No, no, I don't think there's a conspiracy on it.

18:17 Speaker 2: I think what happened is, you know, I this is

18:20 Speaker 2: the one thing I love about UFOs, and I maybe

18:23 Speaker 2: people realize this or not. When they get into the topic,

18:26 Speaker 2: they instantly get into national defense. Right. Once you like UFOs,

18:30 Speaker 2: you can't help but get into politics and defense or

18:33 Speaker 2: at least defense and understand it at least at least

18:37 Speaker 2: And so I think that ends up happening, is that

18:40 Speaker 2: those two end up colliding. They're colliding with each other

18:42 Speaker 2: more than ever. And it's something I even though I've

18:45 Speaker 2: been in the topic for UFO since I was a

18:47 Speaker 2: little girl, and then now as an adult, I realize,

18:50 Speaker 2: I'm like, God, I love defense information so much, like

18:54 Speaker 2: sometimes I enjoy it more than UFOs, right, you know,

18:58 Speaker 2: because I find it so interesting and I love the

19:00 Speaker 2: conversations about what's going on with China and you know,

19:03 Speaker 2: national extent. Yeah, And so I think we just end

19:07 Speaker 2: up you end up becoming if you become deeply interested

19:10 Speaker 2: in UFOs, I would say, then you automatically fall into

19:13 Speaker 2: those areas and then you start wanting to ask questions,

19:15 Speaker 2: and then you get involved into finding out voye reports

19:20 Speaker 2: or following the facts and the data. So I think

19:23 Speaker 2: it just kind of goes hand in hand, and that's

19:25 Speaker 2: why Arrow in its own way, if people like it

19:28 Speaker 2: or not, it is important because it's helping us find

19:31 Speaker 2: out what these things might be if they're foreign actors,

19:34 Speaker 2: but it's also helping us to find out what we

19:36 Speaker 2: love is UFOs. So if you know, and the one

19:39 Speaker 2: anonymously that we the one anomalist thing that we're trying

19:42 Speaker 2: to figure out is what are these things if they're here,

19:44 Speaker 2: which is true, there's something going on and we just

19:48 Speaker 2: don't know, potentially depending on what narrative believe. But right

19:51 Speaker 2: now in the American government says we know that there's

19:54 Speaker 2: something out there, we just don't know what it is

19:55 Speaker 2: and we're trying to prove them. But as this, as

19:59 Speaker 2: we grow and learn more in this community, the better

20:02 Speaker 2: we get at understanding what is UFO and not. So

20:05 Speaker 2: I think that this is why we're seeing a colliding

20:09 Speaker 2: of worlds coming together, right now and the mainstream media

20:12 Speaker 2: has been talking about UFO since twenty seventeen. So you know,

20:16 Speaker 2: once you get UFOs and sorry, my cat, once you

20:18 Speaker 2: get UFOs and military combining, they're going to collide. And

20:22 Speaker 2: I think that's what we're seeing now. And you're getting

20:24 Speaker 2: the average person now that's like what, Like that's the

20:28 Speaker 2: other thing we're getting all these new people that are like,

20:31 Speaker 2: hold on, is this unidentifying flying objects as aliens? Like

20:34 Speaker 2: we don't know? And it's like, well, this is why

20:36 Speaker 2: we're in this topic because it's finding out if something

20:39 Speaker 2: is what it is and if it is extraterrestrial or

20:42 Speaker 2: interdimensional whatever. That one percent is important, but it's also

20:46 Speaker 2: so important to understand what our adversaries are doing too,

20:50 Speaker 2: and how we have to obviously protect ourselves right, and

20:53 Speaker 2: how we have to work with allies and understanding that

20:55 Speaker 2: you know, those things are they do happen. Unfortunately, people

20:58 Speaker 2: don't always have our best and it's heart, so we

21:01 Speaker 2: do need to be on top of it, and civilians

21:03 Speaker 2: should understand what those things mean. So we've have a

21:06 Speaker 2: better understanding of world issues and national security in general.

21:11 Speaker 1: You know, right, especially because we know and so if

21:15 Speaker 1: we take on if the If we take the evidence

21:20 Speaker 1: that we have gotten to date, I think it does

21:26 Speaker 1: suggest and point to the fact that crash retrievals are

21:30 Speaker 1: they exist, They exist. There's some sort of program. I

21:35 Speaker 1: don't know exactly the name of it. I don't know

21:37 Speaker 1: if it's out of Lockheed, or if it's you know, uh,

21:41 Speaker 1: north of Grebman, or a combination of both. But it's

21:44 Speaker 1: safe to say that crash retrievals most likely are are

21:49 Speaker 1: our thing, and they're not just happening in the United States,

21:53 Speaker 1: you know, uh, China, Russia, those would be I would

21:58 Speaker 1: assume that that Russia especially has some sort of program

22:06 Speaker 1: that's similar. And if they are working on the city.

22:10 Speaker 1: If there is, like Grush said, a Cold War to

22:13 Speaker 1: kind of back engineer these these technologies, then you bet

22:17 Speaker 1: your bottom dollar we'll talk about defense, right Oh yeah,

22:20 Speaker 1: because I mean it gets, it gets, it gets real

22:25 Speaker 1: very fast, very quickly. If there is a breakthrough from

22:30 Speaker 1: an adversary, oh because and that I don't think it's

22:34 Speaker 1: happened yet, because if it had, we'd see it. Well.

22:38 Speaker 2: We know that drone supremacy in China, right, they have

22:41 Speaker 2: it like they're number one in any drone maybe.

22:43 Speaker 1: Even in our country. Yeah, I have a Chinese DGI

22:47 Speaker 1: drone dude nicely, so you know what I mean, Like,

22:51 Speaker 1: it's just that's the best drone.

22:54 Speaker 2: Well, and it's not we don't know if it's China,

22:56 Speaker 2: and let's hope it's not a foreign adversary looking at

22:59 Speaker 2: our nuclear install you know, or any type of warfare,

23:03 Speaker 2: because that's petrifying. So let's just hope that, right, I'd

23:07 Speaker 2: rather it be aliens, Let's right. I think we'd all

23:11 Speaker 2: rather that rather than looking at maybe a potential you know,

23:16 Speaker 2: war in the next coming years. And let's hope that

23:19 Speaker 2: doesn't happen.

23:20 Speaker 1: Right.

23:21 Speaker 2: So with that said, we do know that China has

23:25 Speaker 2: drones that have trans medium type of capabilities. We know

23:28 Speaker 2: that they can fly into the water and out of

23:30 Speaker 2: the water and in the water, into the atmosphere. We

23:33 Speaker 2: haven't seen them go to space yet, but we know

23:35 Speaker 2: they can do at least three of those things. They

23:37 Speaker 2: can do two of them, and we didn't have any

23:39 Speaker 2: technology that we know of. DARPA might and we just

23:42 Speaker 2: haven't publicized it, but we know China has shown us

23:44 Speaker 2: that China has drones that are the size of cars

23:47 Speaker 2: that are flying around like we know that this is possible,

23:50 Speaker 2: and we know that technology exists. Now, the other thing

23:53 Speaker 2: to think of is that if China has the size

23:55 Speaker 2: of drone cars flying around, well we probably do two. Right,

24:00 Speaker 2: you wouldn't be out too far off that type of technology.

24:03 Speaker 2: So it is if it's not a foreign advisary, let's

24:05 Speaker 2: hope it is. Only there's a government activity. The question

24:09 Speaker 2: is again, why are they doing it? And and if

24:12 Speaker 2: if they're looking for something, what are they looking for?

24:15 Speaker 2: And what are they observing? Because they are observing, that's

24:18 Speaker 2: for sure.

24:19 Speaker 1: Right, that was gonna be my next my next kind

24:23 Speaker 1: of question. But so I'll move on and I agree.

24:28 Speaker 1: So the connection between but UFOs and you know, nuclear

24:31 Speaker 1: weapons or facilities, it goes back decades and with incidents

24:37 Speaker 1: like the Malmstream incident in nineteen sixty seven, uh, with

24:41 Speaker 1: my you know, which involved my good friend Bob Sallas.

24:46 Speaker 1: That has been a case that's been on my mind

24:49 Speaker 1: very head. Just it's at the forefront of my mind lately.

24:54 Speaker 1: In your research, what do you make of the persistent

24:58 Speaker 1: link between you AP and nuclear technology.

25:02 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great question. I don't know why UAPs

25:06 Speaker 2: are doing that. We just know that they're observing. They haven't,

25:09 Speaker 2: as Luella Zonda has said, they haven't stopped a war,

25:11 Speaker 2: created a war in any of that regard. There's something

25:15 Speaker 2: that I did an interview with. It was last year,

25:18 Speaker 2: but a year ago I think this time. It was

25:19 Speaker 2: with Larry Hancock who was doing YEAH and he was

25:23 Speaker 2: part of the SEU, the Scientific Coalition of UAP studies,

25:26 Speaker 2: and he has released two papers along with Joshua Pearson

25:30 Speaker 2: that talks about intentions reports, and he looks at the

25:33 Speaker 2: industrial military complex. I believe it was between the I

25:37 Speaker 2: think it's a twenty thirty year span during the Cold War,

25:40 Speaker 2: probably just before it and I think just after too,

25:43 Speaker 2: for a period of time, and they analyze the data

25:48 Speaker 2: that comes through for military complexes and what UFOs were observing,

25:53 Speaker 2: and some of the things that they realized but then

25:55 Speaker 2: they were reserving, is that they would always go back

25:58 Speaker 2: when they were looking at and I'm saying around BCI missiles,

26:03 Speaker 2: ic ICBM, thank you Gosh, Dyslexia here missiles they were

26:09 Speaker 2: looking at. They were very interested in that any type

26:11 Speaker 2: of nuclear activity. But what they realized is that once

26:14 Speaker 2: they were observed for a period of time, the UAP

26:17 Speaker 2: would never go back to that installation ever again, which

26:21 Speaker 2: is yeah, So they and they noticed that over that

26:25 Speaker 2: theory or expand that they would see them, you know,

26:28 Speaker 2: looking around for let's say a couple months or a

26:30 Speaker 2: couple of weeks, and they would have multiple UFO sightings

26:33 Speaker 2: in one region and then it would just automatically stop

26:36 Speaker 2: and it would never happen again. So there's something to

26:39 Speaker 2: say about that correlation, and why are they not coming back?

26:42 Speaker 2: Did they get all of their data? What were they collecting?

26:46 Speaker 2: Why has it always been across segments across the states,

26:50 Speaker 2: And then they just looked at I believe, at shapes

26:51 Speaker 2: and other things that were consistency around those those area

26:55 Speaker 2: as well. And then what hasn't been released yet I

26:58 Speaker 2: think is that was a report on correlations and data,

27:01 Speaker 2: and there's there's obviously a lot more. It was about

27:03 Speaker 2: a year ago. I did that interview, so if anyone's interested,

27:06 Speaker 2: they can pop on my channel and watch it. Larry

27:08 Speaker 2: Hancock is just an amazing marketer and data analysis and

27:12 Speaker 2: does amazing data analysis and he really breaks down, like

27:17 Speaker 2: you know, and then he decides that later on in

27:19 Speaker 2: a paper and we talk about it kind of loosely

27:22 Speaker 2: about why they're doing in an attentions report after looking

27:26 Speaker 2: at that data and then saying maybe what were their

27:28 Speaker 2: intentions of why they were doing it. So that's something

27:31 Speaker 2: we maybe should be looking forward to coming out sooner

27:34 Speaker 2: then later. But it's super interesting. That's for sure, very interesting.

27:38 Speaker 2: I just actually it is right, and I and the

27:40 Speaker 2: paper people can find online as well and they can

27:43 Speaker 2: look it up and they look up Larry Hancock's work.

27:47 Speaker 2: But yeah, it's it's for sure is intriguing, and there's

27:51 Speaker 2: it is. It's it always goes back to nuclear all

27:54 Speaker 2: the time, all the time. I just and I also

27:56 Speaker 2: think the other big thing is that, you know, the

27:59 Speaker 2: past or two has been filled with things flying in

28:02 Speaker 2: our air spaces that we're not controlling, and I have

28:06 Speaker 2: a lot of concerns about that, even as a Canadian.

28:08 Speaker 2: You know, we've had it here over the Yukon. We've

28:11 Speaker 2: had Chinese blues say that, you know, Chinese blames. There's

28:14 Speaker 2: been Daniel Otis covered it really well at CTV here

28:18 Speaker 2: where we've had things that were shot down and they

28:20 Speaker 2: just released those images earlier this year. Kind of looks

28:22 Speaker 2: like a pac Man, funniest little UFO ever by our

28:26 Speaker 2: big UFO, but they didn't release all the information about

28:30 Speaker 2: what it was, right, they just shot it down and

28:32 Speaker 2: showed an image. So we're waiting on more and FO

28:35 Speaker 2: about that. And then there was also like, so we

28:38 Speaker 2: just we have all these things flying in impunity in

28:40 Speaker 2: our airspace and it's like, why is this happening to us?

28:43 Speaker 2: And why is intelligence not saying more about it? And

28:47 Speaker 2: are is American and Canadian intelligence that incompetent to be

28:51 Speaker 2: able to be able to handle these things? And if

28:54 Speaker 2: that's the case, then we need to start having really

28:56 Speaker 2: really hard conversations within government about people's ability and start

29:00 Speaker 2: hiring the right people that know how to be more

29:02 Speaker 2: competent in those spaces. And hey, I am not an

29:05 Speaker 2: intelligence person in that I'm only speaking from maybe what

29:09 Speaker 2: I'm seeing, and maybe I'm totally off base, which could

29:12 Speaker 2: be possible, but I think there are some concerns now,

29:15 Speaker 2: at least with these two major incidences that could be

29:19 Speaker 2: both foreign adversaries, and if they're both China, we need

29:23 Speaker 2: to start having some hard conversations.

29:25 Speaker 1: Yeah, right, because I mean there's got to be some

29:30 Speaker 1: sort of either there, Like you said, absolutely incompetent, because

29:36 Speaker 1: if these are truly just drones. Right, Let's say they're

29:41 Speaker 1: just drones, like truly man made drones and we can't

29:46 Speaker 1: track them. We're that we have what the richest, biggest,

29:54 Speaker 1: most advanced military the world has ever seen, and we

29:58 Speaker 1: can't track some drones. How How yeah, and and so that,

30:05 Speaker 1: like you said, it scares me. So if it's so,

30:07 Speaker 1: no matter what the outcome is, I think we have

30:12 Speaker 1: a lot of question, like big hard questions to answer

30:16 Speaker 1: because it's either that it's either one of our programs

30:21 Speaker 1: and it's black, in which case we do need to talk,

30:24 Speaker 1: right because where you know, it's where's the oversight? You're

30:27 Speaker 1: flying these things over residential areas? Yeah, flying these things

30:30 Speaker 1: over our sovereign borders? So why why are you doing that?

30:35 Speaker 1: And number three other Right, So, no matter what way,

30:40 Speaker 1: uh it, we have like they need to level with

30:44 Speaker 1: the American people and in doing so, the citizens of

30:48 Speaker 1: the world.

30:49 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I think so too. We're having sightings now

30:52 Speaker 2: in Toronto. Apparently there's been drone sightings that people are reporting. Yesterday,

30:56 Speaker 2: I was reporting that on my Instagram and on my

30:58 Speaker 2: on my ex there's videos. So I've been looking into

31:02 Speaker 2: it and I just said, is anybody that knows I'm

31:04 Speaker 2: in this space in Canada. If you see a drone,

31:06 Speaker 2: call me in a Toronto. I'll be driving over there

31:08 Speaker 2: in the next minute to go look at it with you, right, Yeah,

31:12 Speaker 2: so I can take some footage of it and see

31:14 Speaker 2: it for myself too. I think the big thing though,

31:17 Speaker 2: Tim McMillan from the debrief made a really great comment

31:20 Speaker 2: when we were talking about this as a group, and

31:23 Speaker 2: this is something to be mindful of that. You know,

31:25 Speaker 2: counterintelligence obviously is a real thing, and there are tactics

31:30 Speaker 2: that you can do in counterintelligence, and there's always reasons

31:32 Speaker 2: for things. So I do truly believe that the intelligence

31:35 Speaker 2: community does know what's going on. They're just not saying

31:38 Speaker 2: what it is, and they're doing a poor job communicating.

31:42 Speaker 2: But there is a tactic in intelligence that you use,

31:45 Speaker 2: and I believe it's been used in two previous wars

31:47 Speaker 2: where you have your foreign adversary, you know that they're

31:50 Speaker 2: coming into your airspaces, or they're analyzing a specific region

31:55 Speaker 2: for data information that they're trying to collect, So they

31:59 Speaker 2: end up, you know, observing something for a long period

32:01 Speaker 2: of time, and and so we're looking at them and

32:04 Speaker 2: we let them observe it so that we can data

32:07 Speaker 2: collect on them, so then we learn more intel. It's

32:10 Speaker 2: you know, let's sit back, relax, let's see what they're doing,

32:14 Speaker 2: because we didn't know that they were going to go

32:15 Speaker 2: do this, so now we're going to go let them

32:17 Speaker 2: look at it. Well, now we're learning their intentions just

32:20 Speaker 2: as much as we're learning their intentions and what they're

32:22 Speaker 2: caring to observe. So we're observing them, well they're observing us.

32:26 Speaker 2: So it's a great it's a great technique to use

32:30 Speaker 2: for counterintelligence. So maybe that's something that we're doing too,

32:33 Speaker 2: and the government's just not saying that for the fact

32:36 Speaker 2: that they don't want that to be known that the

32:38 Speaker 2: foreign adversary because media would spread that wildfire, and obviously

32:42 Speaker 2: foreign adversaries watch American television very closely to see what

32:46 Speaker 2: kind of propaganda has been either propagated to us or

32:49 Speaker 2: to them, so that that could be a possibility and

32:53 Speaker 2: there might be reasons, and you know what, that would

32:55 Speaker 2: be great. If that's the case, then maybe we are

32:58 Speaker 2: doing our job then. But I think at this point,

33:01 Speaker 2: at some point in time, if it's not now, if

33:05 Speaker 2: it decides to stop an operation for US learning intel,

33:08 Speaker 2: then I would hope in the next year or two

33:10 Speaker 2: they give us an idea of what the heck was

33:12 Speaker 2: going on. They can't not tell us, you know, they can,

33:15 Speaker 2: but you know, you can't keep doing that to the

33:18 Speaker 2: American public because or the Canadian public, or anyone in

33:21 Speaker 2: North America, let's just say, or are between our two countries,

33:24 Speaker 2: right even in Mexico. But they should be mindful that

33:27 Speaker 2: because people are going to stop trusting the government, and

33:30 Speaker 2: they already don't trust them. You're just going to say, yeah,

33:33 Speaker 2: you're just going to keep fueling that that and we

33:36 Speaker 2: don't want that anymore. Nobody does.

33:38 Speaker 1: Nobody does. And it's it's it's I'm just we're over it.

33:41 Speaker 1: We're over the eyes, and it's I've been talking about

33:47 Speaker 1: this lately. Did you watch James Fox's new film. I

33:50 Speaker 1: haven't watched it yet. I know what it's about. I know,

33:53 Speaker 1: I've I know a lot of those key players. I

33:55 Speaker 1: think we've seen a lot of the other interviews that

33:57 Speaker 1: have come out before the film.

33:58 Speaker 2: But yes, we do. I do know for sure, loosely

34:01 Speaker 2: what it's about.

34:02 Speaker 1: Okay, So how put Up made a comment in the

34:06 Speaker 1: film and it ties back to other other comments he's

34:11 Speaker 1: made in the past. Uh, specifically at the Soul Conference,

34:16 Speaker 1: the first one. I don't know if you remember that

34:17 Speaker 1: first one there? Oh you were there? Okay, even better?

34:23 Speaker 1: Did you watch him speak?

34:25 Speaker 2: I did. I met him actually, very lovely, man, I

34:28 Speaker 2: met him very quickly.

34:30 Speaker 1: Okay, interesting. Well, so he openly admits to being part

34:34 Speaker 1: of this group, this this uh think tank in Washington,

34:38 Speaker 1: d C. And when he got there, he looks around

34:41 Speaker 1: he sees that it's made up of businessmen from corporations,

34:48 Speaker 1: intelligence community officials, high ranking military, and other people like himself.

34:54 Speaker 1: So h. Ultimately, they come to this conclusion I'm gonna

34:58 Speaker 1: skip of ray wa. They come to the conclusion that

35:02 Speaker 1: disclosure is not sustainable, and they cite some reasons. Those

35:07 Speaker 1: reasons being that Company A might get mad that they

35:10 Speaker 1: had that Company B had access to meta materials. Then

35:16 Speaker 1: Company A wasn't, so Company B excelled, right, So then

35:20 Speaker 1: they sue Company B and the government. Uh. They talk about,

35:25 Speaker 1: you know, collapse of sovereign borders economies, and like, I'm sorry,

35:32 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but that doesn't matter to me. I mean,

35:36 Speaker 1: you made the bed, lie in it, now it's time

35:39 Speaker 1: to lie in it. And I just don't think that

35:41 Speaker 1: you can pigeonhole this type of information. It's it's almost

35:45 Speaker 1: like you're going to hide that snakes exist. Right.

35:53 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that there is a lot of information

35:57 Speaker 2: that has not obviously been put forward. The question is

36:00 Speaker 2: is what is accurate and what's not? You know, disinformation

36:03 Speaker 2: is a real thing. We do forget. I think sometimes

36:07 Speaker 2: that And I'm not saying that what louel A Zondo

36:09 Speaker 2: and David Grush are saying is not accurate. We you know,

36:12 Speaker 2: we broke that story with David Grush at the debrief

36:15 Speaker 2: with Leslie Canaan Ralph Blumenthal. So it's not saying that

36:19 Speaker 2: those sources aren't accurate or what he's saying is not accurate,

36:23 Speaker 2: but the narrative has been consistent in UFO lore for

36:27 Speaker 2: a very long time. Richard Dodey said the same things,

36:30 Speaker 2: and he did a disinformation campaign a Linda mownenhow and

36:33 Speaker 2: Paul Benowitz, and he was saying very similar things in

36:36 Speaker 2: documents that David Grush and louel A Zondu were claiming. So,

36:40 Speaker 2: you know, that's one of the first incidents, and that's

36:42 Speaker 2: why it's so important because you know, let's, for example,

36:46 Speaker 2: someone in the former White House employee told me the

36:48 Speaker 2: best disinformation is ninety percent real and ten percent fake. Right,

36:53 Speaker 2: So the question is with Richard Doty, was that ninety

36:57 Speaker 2: percent actually real and and some of it was? And

37:01 Speaker 2: then he said it was he lied and said it

37:03 Speaker 2: was fake and all of it was fake and maybe

37:05 Speaker 2: some of it was real, and then the question interviewed, well, right,

37:09 Speaker 2: and maybe the question is that maybe none of it is.

37:11 Speaker 2: And so there's a lot of little moments in UFO

37:18 Speaker 2: lore that we have to go. We've told this story

37:20 Speaker 2: twenty different ways backwards, so we know that it's just

37:24 Speaker 2: kind of resurgenced itself every couple of years. Now. We

37:27 Speaker 2: just need the paperwork to show the facts, and we

37:30 Speaker 2: need to see the evidence. And that's what people are wanting,

37:32 Speaker 2: you know, they want to see the craft, They want

37:34 Speaker 2: to see the photos, they want to see better videos.

37:37 Speaker 2: You know, that's what they want. And if you're saying

37:40 Speaker 2: that they walk among us, we need to be able

37:42 Speaker 2: to see some solid evidence about that. You can say

37:45 Speaker 2: that there's craft retrievals and that might there's more evidence

37:48 Speaker 2: to point to that, I would say than there is

37:51 Speaker 2: that they walk among us and that they're cohooting and

37:54 Speaker 2: working with the American government, and that they're working around

37:57 Speaker 2: the world. You know, that's a hard stretch. We've heard

38:00 Speaker 2: that in many different lore But again, if that is

38:03 Speaker 2: the case, then we need to start seeing that evidence.

38:05 Speaker 2: And I think if it is the case, no one's

38:08 Speaker 2: going to stop. At this point, we're having a conversation

38:11 Speaker 2: about it. It will it will one day, one day,

38:15 Speaker 2: have to because no one, no one's going to stop this.

38:18 Speaker 2: It's going to keep going. It's just going to get

38:20 Speaker 2: bigger and bigger, and so they have no choice but

38:22 Speaker 2: to do some for some type of disclosure at some point.

38:25 Speaker 2: I just we're not sure we're living in it. But

38:27 Speaker 2: what is that bigger disclosure going to look like? Well,

38:29 Speaker 2: I think we'll see.

38:31 Speaker 1: Do you think that that we've been put on a

38:38 Speaker 1: d OD approved disclosure timeline of some sort. I hear

38:43 Speaker 1: there's yeah, possibility.

38:45 Speaker 2: Well, I hear this timeline conversation all the time. I've

38:49 Speaker 2: heard it from experiencers, I've heard it from the science community.

38:52 Speaker 2: I've heard it all over the place. I don't know

38:55 Speaker 2: if there's a timeline, you know, I don't know what

38:57 Speaker 2: the I sorry, I know that there is conversation of

38:59 Speaker 2: it timeline. I just don't know what that timeline is,

39:03 Speaker 2: and if there is, then it's going to show itself

39:06 Speaker 2: at some point in time. Right we'll be living in

39:09 Speaker 2: it and part of it. I just hope that it's

39:11 Speaker 2: a narrative that at least is a peaceful one in

39:15 Speaker 2: the end of it, because the stuff that I'm hearing

39:16 Speaker 2: is not that positive. Unfortunately, everything I'm hearing is negative.

39:21 Speaker 2: So I don't want that to be the case for

39:24 Speaker 2: all of us. Because put it this way, I'm a millennial.

39:27 Speaker 2: I'm not sure how we'll do our tie, but you know,

39:29 Speaker 2: I'm with you. Yeah, I'm so tired of going through

39:33 Speaker 2: so many different things. And I know obviously our generations

39:36 Speaker 2: like World War two and World War One have gone

39:38 Speaker 2: through harder things than we have, but we've gone through

39:40 Speaker 2: a lot of psychological stuff within our generation that's being

39:45 Speaker 2: consistent with wars, pandemics, economic crisises, three wars. I think

39:50 Speaker 2: it's time that now it's like, we can't can't keep

39:54 Speaker 2: going like this, So I'm just hoping that there's some

39:57 Speaker 2: more optimism in the end and bridging that. The only

40:01 Speaker 2: way that we will probably be more optimistic is through

40:04 Speaker 2: science and technology. Advancements and like focusing on edge science

40:08 Speaker 2: because it will help prove humanities issues and challenges and

40:11 Speaker 2: work on solving those. So we need to really think

40:14 Speaker 2: about funding it and how that's kind of like our

40:17 Speaker 2: shining beacon right now. I think in optimism and that

40:20 Speaker 2: will help us prove UAP as well and what's going on.

40:23 Speaker 2: So I think we just need to lean and you know,

40:25 Speaker 2: lean into edge science in frontier science more than ever

40:29 Speaker 2: now to be able to help shine some lights on

40:31 Speaker 2: what's going on and give some optimism rather than maybe

40:34 Speaker 2: some world's conflict that's happening right now.

40:38 Speaker 1: Okay, that's yeah. I couldn't have said that better myself.

40:42 Speaker 2: Thank you.

40:44 Speaker 1: Someone like you. I mean, how did you get into

40:50 Speaker 1: such a topic? Did you have your own experience, your

40:54 Speaker 1: own you know, citing, How did this career kind of

41:01 Speaker 1: unfold for you?

41:02 Speaker 2: Yeah? When I was a little girl, my dad showed

41:05 Speaker 2: me a photo that he took of a UFO with

41:07 Speaker 2: a group of people, and it's like a we have

41:10 Speaker 2: My dad still has it. He has it like in

41:12 Speaker 2: his safe and stuff at his house and it's a

41:14 Speaker 2: negative too, and I'm going to blow it up one day.

41:17 Speaker 2: He's got to bring it out. I keep telling him

41:18 Speaker 2: to do it, and he's just like, I'll do it

41:19 Speaker 2: this winter, and I was like, bring it out, so

41:21 Speaker 2: I want to. He's given me some other stuff that

41:23 Speaker 2: I have that has been passed down. He's been collecting

41:28 Speaker 2: things throughout his life, so I have some of those.

41:30 Speaker 2: I just don't have that. Yeah, I just don't have

41:31 Speaker 2: that photo. So I want to blow it up and

41:33 Speaker 2: put it as an art piece in my house, to

41:35 Speaker 2: be honest. But that's really what started me in the

41:37 Speaker 2: topic was just seeing that photo and you know, being

41:41 Speaker 2: so close to both my parents and my dad and

41:43 Speaker 2: listening to him talk about it and just really intrigued

41:46 Speaker 2: into UFOs and then anomalist things and scared of them,

41:51 Speaker 2: but also like super intrigued. So that's where it all

41:54 Speaker 2: started for me, and then just kind of seeking it out.

41:57 Speaker 2: I made a real commitment to myself when I was

42:00 Speaker 2: twenty five. I'm aging myself now to make a commitment

42:08 Speaker 2: to like actually know go deeper and to know who

42:12 Speaker 2: these players are. So I started going to like go

42:15 Speaker 2: into the UFO Congress, Alejandro's Rojas's Compress, UFO International EUFO Congress,

42:21 Speaker 2: and went there. I met people and just like was listening,

42:24 Speaker 2: and went on crop circle tours and into London, England. Yeah,

42:28 Speaker 2: and just did all these things that I could get

42:30 Speaker 2: closest to the phenomenon where it was like tangible for me,

42:35 Speaker 2: and met people like Gary King, who are an amazing

42:37 Speaker 2: crop circle researcher down there and learned a lot from him,

42:40 Speaker 2: and spent about four or five days with him, jumping

42:43 Speaker 2: to prop circle to crop circle to learn about them.

42:45 Speaker 2: I don't know how much I know if they're real,

42:47 Speaker 2: but I they're beautiful pieces of artwork. That's what I

42:50 Speaker 2: always tell people, like they're they're stunning. And it's such

42:52 Speaker 2: a cool experience to be in, and and there's just

42:56 Speaker 2: there's there's so much to learn and experience. And I've

42:59 Speaker 2: always been very inquisitive and also just love things around

43:03 Speaker 2: philosophy and history. So it's just it all collides. UFOs

43:07 Speaker 2: have everything. They've got it all. They've got drama, uh, mystery, politics, science, philosophy, history,

43:16 Speaker 2: it's it's got everything, community, storytelling, entertainment like and drama.

43:25 Speaker 2: Now I think there's more. It's funny. I don't even watch,

43:29 Speaker 2: you know, drama entertainment shows. There's more drama in the

43:32 Speaker 2: UFO community than there are in the TV shows I watch.

43:35 Speaker 2: I watch that stuff and so and even in my

43:38 Speaker 2: personal life, I don't even have that compared to all

43:40 Speaker 2: the stuff I see in the UFO space. So I

43:43 Speaker 2: always laugh because I'm like, people are like UFOs. I'm like,

43:45 Speaker 2: if you like drama and interpersonal conflicts, join the UFO community.

43:51 Speaker 2: We want you, Yeah, because there's lots of that, There's

43:55 Speaker 2: tons of it, but the yeah, that's really what you're

44:00 Speaker 2: me towards. It was not just not the drama, but

44:02 Speaker 2: really just all the other things that I enjoy and

44:05 Speaker 2: just finding that the people that are in the space,

44:09 Speaker 2: not all of them, but some of them have a

44:11 Speaker 2: lot of pillars that are common. I think it's truth

44:14 Speaker 2: and transparency they really enjoy and want, and a form

44:19 Speaker 2: of community to around that space or connection I'll say,

44:23 Speaker 2: maybe not community, but connection. People like to connect on

44:26 Speaker 2: this topic and they like to share ideas. You have

44:29 Speaker 2: to be kind of a little bit of a spy

44:33 Speaker 2: in this topic. And yeah, and you also really want

44:36 Speaker 2: you like truth and transparency. And I very much relate

44:40 Speaker 2: to those people in my life. Those are my friends

44:43 Speaker 2: in my life. My people in my general circles are

44:45 Speaker 2: people that I trust in, people that really care deeply

44:48 Speaker 2: about the truth, and they care deeply about being transparent.

44:52 Speaker 2: And so I think that that's other reasons why innately

44:54 Speaker 2: I'm probably in this topic as well.

44:56 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that you know, what I find

45:01 Speaker 1: really really unique about the UFO topics specifically, is that

45:09 Speaker 1: not all I mean, we see it in we see

45:11 Speaker 1: it even in government. Right, it's bipartisan for the most part.

45:14 Speaker 1: It's it's one of the only topics, if not the

45:17 Speaker 1: only topic that you'll see AOC and Nancy makes in

45:22 Speaker 1: the same room, right, agreeing, right, And and that's crazy

45:27 Speaker 1: to me, But on a fundamental level, when you actually

45:30 Speaker 1: start thinking about it, UFOs, right, even though the U

45:34 Speaker 1: does stand for unidentified, most people tend to think that

45:39 Speaker 1: they're they're they're piloted by a non human intelligence. So

45:44 Speaker 1: what that does is when we start talking about UFOs

45:49 Speaker 1: and extraterrestrials, non human intelligence, it it transcends us, transcends

45:56 Speaker 1: the conversation from a white person talking to a black

46:01 Speaker 1: person or a straight person talking to a trans person.

46:08 Speaker 1: It transcends that into humanity talking about a non human intelligence. Right,

46:16 Speaker 1: So it puts us all on equal footing if you

46:20 Speaker 1: in a way, and I find that to be unique.

46:24 Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent. I agree with that. We don't

46:25 Speaker 2: talk about ourselves. We talk about the topic exactly. Yeah,

46:30 Speaker 2: and I yeah, and I think that that's wonderful. People

46:33 Speaker 2: get together and they just share information and they might

46:35 Speaker 2: talk about their experience adjacent to the topic, but they

46:39 Speaker 2: ask questions and then they share information. And then we

46:43 Speaker 2: exchange experiences too, if people have had them, and then

46:46 Speaker 2: you're listening to them. So there's that. But yeah, we

46:49 Speaker 2: do talk more about the topic or we talk about history,

46:52 Speaker 2: and we want to exchange information and ideas, and I

46:55 Speaker 2: think that's really fun. And then there's you know, every

46:57 Speaker 2: time I've gone to a conference, if I've spoken at

46:59 Speaker 2: it or have just attended, you know, it's after in

47:02 Speaker 2: the hotel and everybody's like hanging out until like two

47:05 Speaker 2: am or like eleven o'clock twelve o'clock a night, having

47:07 Speaker 2: a drink and just connecting. And that's the other part,

47:10 Speaker 2: Like there is that connection point to that some of

47:13 Speaker 2: my closest friends now, outside of like my friends in Toronto,

47:17 Speaker 2: I've met some really amazing academics that I probably thought

47:21 Speaker 2: i'd never have in my life, you know, and they

47:24 Speaker 2: are someone that I can call and chat with and

47:27 Speaker 2: just talk about this topic with and have different perspectives.

47:30 Speaker 2: They might be anthropologists, they could be, you know, someone

47:34 Speaker 2: work in science and technology. Some are neurologists, so I

47:37 Speaker 2: can have those conversations with them. And for a woman

47:40 Speaker 2: that's in journalism and started in communications and public relations.

47:46 Speaker 2: It's not that I don't think that I'm smart enough

47:48 Speaker 2: to o those conversations. It's not that at all. It's

47:50 Speaker 2: just that the science communities, I think are really great

47:53 Speaker 2: because in the UFO space, are great because people are

47:55 Speaker 2: always open to have those conversations. Right. That's how you learn,

47:59 Speaker 2: that's how you connect, that's how you exchange information and

48:02 Speaker 2: you grow better. And there's for sure people can be

48:04 Speaker 2: snobs in certain aspects, but I find that the science community,

48:08 Speaker 2: compared to like finance and other communities and other industries,

48:13 Speaker 2: are very open to have time and spend time and

48:16 Speaker 2: to learn and to connect, especially within this area of

48:19 Speaker 2: the topic. So that's it, and I just feel very

48:22 Speaker 2: grateful that I get to have these conversations with people

48:25 Speaker 2: that are brighter than I am, and I learned so much. Yeah,

48:28 Speaker 2: and I learned so much from them every day, and

48:31 Speaker 2: I feel very grateful because I think at the end

48:34 Speaker 2: of my life, I'm feeling going to probably feel my

48:36 Speaker 2: brain will feel very fulfilled with all different types of

48:40 Speaker 2: knowledge that I've been able to collect because of these people.

48:42 Speaker 2: So yeah, very techful for them. Yeah.

48:45 Speaker 1: Sometimes I you know, I was even telling this to

48:48 Speaker 1: someone the other night. Sometimes I like, I have to

48:51 Speaker 1: pinch myself because of the people I can literally just

48:55 Speaker 1: call and next thing, you know, two hours have gone by,

49:00 Speaker 1: and you know, these are some of the people that

49:02 Speaker 1: I've I looked up to for maybe since ever, you know,

49:09 Speaker 1: and now I get to work with them, and it's

49:13 Speaker 1: just it's really been amazing. And so I get that

49:17 Speaker 1: not quite on that level. I don't have anthropologists contacts

49:20 Speaker 1: that would be awesome, but.

49:21 Speaker 2: A hearing, I've got tons that you can talk to.

49:24 Speaker 1: Oh, I love that. I would love someone I really

49:27 Speaker 1: really like I. In your bio you You're you said

49:31 Speaker 1: you were interested in like ancient civilizations. That is a

49:35 Speaker 1: conversation that I can't get enough of lately. So it's

49:39 Speaker 1: it Maybe next time we can get into that. But

49:46 Speaker 1: in You've covered plenty of high level discussions about u aps,

49:50 Speaker 1: uh what's one event or development in the last you know,

49:54 Speaker 1: year two years that you think has it maybe received

49:57 Speaker 1: the attention it deserves.

50:00 Speaker 2: Oh geez, Oh, it's a hard one. I know that's

50:06 Speaker 2: a hard one because I think that they if it's

50:09 Speaker 2: like for sure, there's probably cases I haven't even heard

50:11 Speaker 2: of that need attention, which would write sense. I don't

50:15 Speaker 2: really know, you know, I do. The first thing that

50:18 Speaker 2: comes to my mind, and I think a lot of

50:20 Speaker 2: people obviously know of the UFO community and maybe more

50:23 Speaker 2: from a mainstream perspective was the movie Aerial Phenomenon by

50:28 Speaker 2: Ranald Nickerson about the kids that were in Zimbabwe bob Oh.

50:34 Speaker 2: I think that had like a really big time within

50:37 Speaker 2: the UAP space, but I feel that the mainstream did

50:40 Speaker 2: not pick it up as much as they possibly could,

50:42 Speaker 2: and I feel that that really needs a resurgence in

50:46 Speaker 2: it because Reynald did a fabulous job. Ryald Nickerson is

50:49 Speaker 2: one of the best directors, if not the best, I

50:52 Speaker 2: will say actually in this space. He knows how to storytell.

50:56 Speaker 2: His cinematography and his editing is unbelievably beautiful, and he

51:02 Speaker 2: really captured historic and historical moment and he fact checked

51:06 Speaker 2: it and I you know, I've spoken to Rental on

51:08 Speaker 2: length about this, and he did his due diligence, and

51:12 Speaker 2: he also wasn't saying narratives that weren't correct. You know,

51:16 Speaker 2: he was trying, he was he was literally using every

51:20 Speaker 2: resource that he had and told the story beautifully. So

51:23 Speaker 2: I think that Ariel needs to have another resurgence again

51:27 Speaker 2: in this space, and I think it will. You know,

51:29 Speaker 2: I think it will become a cult classic. It's had

51:32 Speaker 2: its like moment that lifted up and then it's kind

51:34 Speaker 2: of just you know, stayed as a as a one

51:37 Speaker 2: of the best films in the UAP space, if not

51:40 Speaker 2: I feel the best. But in the mainstream it we're

51:44 Speaker 2: just not ready yet, I think, or they're not ready yet,

51:46 Speaker 2: and it will have this massive resurgence at one point

51:49 Speaker 2: in time where people will look back and go, this

51:52 Speaker 2: is what this was actually going on and we knew

51:54 Speaker 2: it was, and people will rush to that film, you know,

51:57 Speaker 2: like for example, remember Donnie Darko not saying comparative, but

52:01 Speaker 2: you know, Donny Darko is like a cult film, right,

52:03 Speaker 2: cult classic, cult classes and now it's like totally revered

52:06 Speaker 2: and people love it and people watch it probably more

52:09 Speaker 2: now than they did when it first came out.

52:11 Speaker 1: So when it first came out it was actually a flop,

52:14 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure.

52:15 Speaker 2: And Ariel didn't flop. I won't say it flopped at all,

52:18 Speaker 2: But I'm meaning like it will have its resurgence one

52:21 Speaker 2: day where people will go back and there will be

52:23 Speaker 2: this whole new generation ner group of people that will

52:26 Speaker 2: somebody will find it and spark it.

52:28 Speaker 1: You know, well that that that's actually kind of a

52:32 Speaker 1: good segue because it's a question I wanted to ask,

52:36 Speaker 1: especially from someone in journalism and who does actually research cases.

52:41 Speaker 1: Do you think that in the future, with the advancements

52:45 Speaker 1: in AI, you know, photography, manipulation, video manipulation, do you

52:52 Speaker 1: think that's some of these older cases like Malmstrom Zimbabwe,

52:57 Speaker 1: the older cases with the photos that you know, what,

53:00 Speaker 1: the videos, do you think those will become more revered

53:05 Speaker 1: because that that wasn't it wasn't a thing yet, right,

53:11 Speaker 1: it was, it was not a technology that you know,

53:15 Speaker 1: was around. Therefore, you know, those pictures, those documents, those

53:20 Speaker 1: videos become much more valuable and intriguing because of the

53:26 Speaker 1: swath of you know, hoaxes and CGI that are on

53:33 Speaker 1: the internet now.

53:34 Speaker 2: And yeah, oh for sure, I think that one hundred percent.

53:37 Speaker 2: I would say that more than likely will be able

53:40 Speaker 2: to probably prove a lot of things that were not

53:42 Speaker 2: u AP and or were or sorry that are not

53:45 Speaker 2: you or we thought we're u AP and not. Probably

53:49 Speaker 2: more likely we'll be able to say narrow in on

53:52 Speaker 2: it and be like this was this, or be able

53:54 Speaker 2: to analyze stuff a little bit better. So I feel that,

53:57 Speaker 2: but there will be cases that we will for sure

54:00 Speaker 2: look back that will be revered for a very long time,

54:02 Speaker 2: especially the ones that have a crap load of evidence

54:05 Speaker 2: that goes around it right from people. It could be

54:09 Speaker 2: from material, it could be from media clippings, it could

54:13 Speaker 2: be from video, can be testimony, it can be all

54:15 Speaker 2: of those things. And if we have a lot of it,

54:17 Speaker 2: then we'll be able to really look back and analyze

54:20 Speaker 2: it more. But you know, I do look forward to

54:22 Speaker 2: the time when AI is like super advanced where we're

54:25 Speaker 2: able to do that type of processing, like it's going

54:30 Speaker 2: to be pretty wild. And let's be honest, maybe they're

54:32 Speaker 2: doing it now in the government, we just don't know,

54:34 Speaker 2: like they're doing some form of AI and cross collection

54:37 Speaker 2: of data and analyzing. How could they not be.

54:40 Speaker 1: I feel like if they aren't, I'd be upset.

54:43 Speaker 2: Well, And if they're not doing it for UFOs yet,

54:45 Speaker 2: it is because they're too busy, you know, worried about

54:47 Speaker 2: other things that they're focusing on doing data analysts and analysis.

54:52 Speaker 2: So that's one thing for sure. So and they'll maybe

54:55 Speaker 2: moving on to UFOs in a few years. But I

54:59 Speaker 2: feel that errow it is probably using AI to some degree.

55:02 Speaker 2: And obviously tech and the other partners that are looking

55:06 Speaker 2: into this with AERO are probably doing the same thing.

55:08 Speaker 2: Why wouldn't they be use the technology you have?

55:11 Speaker 1: Yeah, right, there's often there's there often often there's often

55:16 Speaker 1: speculation that nations other than the US might lead UFO disclosure.

55:22 Speaker 1: So with growing transparency from countries like you know, Brazil, Mexico, Japan,

55:27 Speaker 1: do you think another country could outpace the US and

55:30 Speaker 1: revealing critical UAP data.

55:33 Speaker 2: That's a great question right now, I'm going to say no,

55:37 Speaker 2: doesn't mean that they can't, Like, let's be honest, right,

55:40 Speaker 2: anybody could. It just depends on what evidence they have

55:43 Speaker 2: and what are they going to bring forward if they

55:45 Speaker 2: have a craft that they're pulling out, and you know,

55:47 Speaker 2: and like so who says they can't do it? That's

55:51 Speaker 2: for sure, So yes, potentially, but more than likely. I

55:55 Speaker 2: think that, you know, a lot of the UFO records

55:58 Speaker 2: have been released around the world and internationally already, and

56:01 Speaker 2: those have become available for people to look at that data,

56:04 Speaker 2: and they still haven't done it yet, And everybody keeps

56:06 Speaker 2: looking at the States, and the States has not released

56:09 Speaker 2: all of its UFO information. Canada has released a whole bunch,

56:13 Speaker 2: so I think that they're still looking for the States

56:16 Speaker 2: that has more of that intel and know what's going on.

56:20 Speaker 2: I think, you know, I think they are waiting for that,

56:23 Speaker 2: but it doesn't mean you know, they tried to do

56:25 Speaker 2: it with the mummies in Peru and you know, and unfortunately,

56:28 Speaker 2: you know, I don't really think that that was accurate information, right, Yeah,

56:33 Speaker 2: And the more that that is done, the more people

56:36 Speaker 2: will stop looking at this topic, and the more that

56:39 Speaker 2: people won't take specific countries seriously when they if they

56:42 Speaker 2: do come out and say that they have something, they

56:45 Speaker 2: might not believe it because they're calling wolf. So I

56:48 Speaker 2: think that the States the only reason why. And China

56:52 Speaker 2: we just have to be mindful about because everybody's great

56:55 Speaker 2: at serving propaganda up so we can't just be like,

56:59 Speaker 2: oh oh, my gosh, China has come forward and said something.

57:02 Speaker 2: It's like, well, no, we have to see if this

57:03 Speaker 2: is propaganda first before anything. And I don't know. With Russia,

57:07 Speaker 2: maybe they would, but I am not too concerned technologically

57:10 Speaker 2: with Russia. I'm more concerned with China.

57:13 Speaker 1: Right right, Yeah, I did you see that thing about

57:17 Speaker 1: the cancer vaccine?

57:21 Speaker 2: No?

57:22 Speaker 1: No, yeah, Russia is claiming to have some sort of

57:29 Speaker 1: m r n A you know, uh, cancer vaccine that

57:33 Speaker 1: they're gonna be. Yeah. I wish Jamie pull it up. Sorry,

57:38 Speaker 1: I don't have a Jamie damn it, right, goddamn, I'm

57:42 Speaker 1: not Joe Rogan pull it up. Yeah, one day, one

57:48 Speaker 1: day exactly. Uh yeah, it's it's I'm still kind of

57:53 Speaker 1: like trying to find but it is being reported by

57:56 Speaker 1: mainstream media as well.

57:59 Speaker 2: That might be, I might be propaganda.

58:02 Speaker 1: That's what I was thinking, right, That's what I was thinking.

58:06 Speaker 1: But they're they're this. I'm just I mad.

58:10 Speaker 2: You see the Peer reviewed journal on that one.

58:12 Speaker 1: Right, But imagine yeah, no, just imagine for a second

58:17 Speaker 1: that somehow some Russian scientists cracked it.

58:22 Speaker 2: Right.

58:23 Speaker 1: Obviously Putin will take like inevitably use that as propaganda,

58:29 Speaker 1: no matter what, Right, uh, and try to make himself

58:33 Speaker 1: look better. Uh, what if he gives it to the

58:36 Speaker 1: What if it works and he gives it to the world.

58:39 Speaker 1: I mean, they're gonna have a hard time. They're gonna

58:41 Speaker 1: have a real hard time pushing that narrative if he

58:46 Speaker 1: cures cancer.

58:47 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah, like I'd be wild. Yeah, I Well,

58:52 Speaker 2: I don't know how much money Russia would make from that.

58:54 Speaker 1: A lot.

58:56 Speaker 2: Well, they're saying they're gonna give it away for a

58:57 Speaker 2: free Yeah, that's propaganda problem. Yeah, pudding has never been

59:03 Speaker 2: that nice. Why would you be this nice? Also, he

59:07 Speaker 2: said the same thing about the COVID vaccine, that they

59:09 Speaker 2: had this unbelievable vaccine too, but I don't think it

59:12 Speaker 2: was working very well in the beginning. So who knows.

59:17 Speaker 2: Maybe they do, but I I just don't don't buy it.

59:23 Speaker 2: I hope they Let's be honest though, For cancer research

59:26 Speaker 2: and everything else, I hope that's the truth, you know.

59:28 Speaker 2: I hope that we get to that point, because you

59:31 Speaker 2: do need to be able, you know, to be able.

59:34 Speaker 2: Vaccines and other things are advancing so quickly because it

59:38 Speaker 2: is helping us with certain diseases and prevention of certain diseases,

59:43 Speaker 2: and things, and it's really important. We do need that.

59:45 Speaker 2: The more that we advance, the more people we have

59:47 Speaker 2: on the planet, because there's a lot of us here,

59:49 Speaker 2: really a lot. I think it's like a million of us.

59:52 Speaker 2: That's a lot of people, it.

59:53 Speaker 1: Is, it is eight billion. Yeah, and that you know,

59:58 Speaker 1: I only bring that up because, like I said, you know,

1:00:02 Speaker 1: could this be something reverse engineered? You know, got got

1:00:06 Speaker 1: not reverse engineer. Maybe that's you know, kind of pulling

1:00:09 Speaker 1: too hard at the conspiracy tug. But it just that's

1:00:15 Speaker 1: where I'm you know, going with that whole thing, like

1:00:19 Speaker 1: off another country. Where to come out in uh, reveal

1:00:23 Speaker 1: something as big as it is right the UAP issue.

1:00:27 Speaker 1: You know, would the US come to their aid and say,

1:00:32 Speaker 1: you know what, it's time, clearly it's time, or would

1:00:36 Speaker 1: they try to say we don't know what they're talking about?

1:00:39 Speaker 1: This is absolutely nonsense in a world where you know,

1:00:43 Speaker 1: people are very divided. I think I think we're gonna

1:00:47 Speaker 1: have a tough time with disclosure no matter what.

1:00:50 Speaker 2: Oh I think, Yeah, I I I don't think we're ready,

1:00:53 Speaker 2: you know, like I think some people are ready. Don't

1:00:56 Speaker 2: get me wrong, I think you don't already of us. Yeah,

1:00:58 Speaker 2: but I don't think the global you know, I don't

1:01:01 Speaker 2: think the global world is ready for it. I think

1:01:04 Speaker 2: that well, first of all, maybe we're ready to have

1:01:08 Speaker 2: the conversation, but once we're told that, I think it

1:01:14 Speaker 2: will be First of all, I don't think people will

1:01:16 Speaker 2: believe we have I call this a pandemic of not

1:01:19 Speaker 2: believing that we live in right now. It's not a

1:01:23 Speaker 2: pandemic of certain things. It's people not believing each other.

1:01:26 Speaker 2: I truly believe that we see it all right, right,

1:01:30 Speaker 2: We see it all the time, and people don't believe

1:01:31 Speaker 2: each other and for many things that have happened to

1:01:33 Speaker 2: them or experiences. So that's an issue. And also I

1:01:38 Speaker 2: just don't think, for example, that we look at COVID,

1:01:40 Speaker 2: everybody was buying toilet paper, Like they freaked out and

1:01:42 Speaker 2: bought toilet paper when we found out we had a pandemic.

1:01:45 Speaker 2: So why the heck are we going to be ready

1:01:47 Speaker 2: when we say that, you know, extraterrestrials here and they'll

1:01:50 Speaker 2: walk among us. People are going to be like what,

1:01:51 Speaker 2: Like they're going to start looking for them, and like

1:01:54 Speaker 2: people are going to go I think they're not. They're

1:01:56 Speaker 2: going to lose their bananas. A very big chunk of people.

1:01:58 Speaker 2: If we can't handle COVID, how the heck are we

1:02:00 Speaker 2: going to handle UFOs or something interdimensional that we can't explain.

1:02:06 Speaker 2: It's about how they go about doing disclosure. I think if,

1:02:10 Speaker 2: for example, if we say we find something, which would

1:02:13 Speaker 2: be more than likely the James Webb telescope is like, hey,

1:02:16 Speaker 2: we found something, and it's really far away from us,

1:02:19 Speaker 2: so don't worry. No, they can't, probably won't get here.

1:02:22 Speaker 2: Maybe they have, We're not too sure, but we know

1:02:24 Speaker 2: that they're really far away, so there's no way in

1:02:27 Speaker 2: this generation that they're ever going to hurt you. Then

1:02:30 Speaker 2: would be like, okay, cool, let's find out who they are.

1:02:33 Speaker 2: Let's send probes there, let's send communications. You know, you

1:02:36 Speaker 2: can see all these people making all their homemade devices

1:02:38 Speaker 2: trying to you know, communicate to like some other Oh

1:02:41 Speaker 2: no phone, oh civilization. So I think that won't cause pandemonium.

1:02:46 Speaker 2: But saying that they're here, or that they've always been

1:02:49 Speaker 2: here and that we don't know what they are and

1:02:51 Speaker 2: we don't know how to protect you to any type

1:02:53 Speaker 2: of that wording is going to scare the crap out

1:02:55 Speaker 2: of people. And if we again, they're probably going to

1:02:57 Speaker 2: start builing toilet paper, you know.

1:03:00 Speaker 1: Like, that's so funny that you can't, because you're right.

1:03:03 Speaker 1: They would. They would like toilet paper is the first

1:03:06 Speaker 1: thing to go every time.

1:03:07 Speaker 2: Just stock up on TP and you'll be fine. But

1:03:10 Speaker 2: I think that that's like we've seen that, right, and again,

1:03:13 Speaker 2: I do think that a population of the world, like

1:03:17 Speaker 2: the religious communities, I don't think they're going to go

1:03:19 Speaker 2: haywire because it's very embedded.

1:03:21 Speaker 1: I think they're the best prepared.

1:03:23 Speaker 2: Yeah, they are the best prepared. So because they already

1:03:25 Speaker 2: believe in the Catholic religions already believe in angels and demons,

1:03:30 Speaker 2: so non biding definition are non human right right, nhis

1:03:36 Speaker 2: and so right, so that I think they're prepared for

1:03:40 Speaker 2: I don't think we need to worry about those communities.

1:03:42 Speaker 2: I think it's the average person being like, oh my god,

1:03:45 Speaker 2: how do I protect my family? What does this mean

1:03:47 Speaker 2: to me now? In the world. I think that people

1:03:50 Speaker 2: will have a hard time with it. I don't think

1:03:53 Speaker 2: they're I just I don't know if we're fully equipped

1:03:56 Speaker 2: yet mentally to deal with it, because we couldn't fully

1:03:59 Speaker 2: equip mentally deal with a pandemic. I don't I just

1:04:03 Speaker 2: maybe it's a bad comparison, but I just don't know.

1:04:05 Speaker 1: It's no, it's not. It's because it's it's something that

1:04:10 Speaker 1: it it COVID, right at one point in the beginning,

1:04:15 Speaker 1: when people really didn't know what was going on, like truly,

1:04:20 Speaker 1: it was this invisible disease that could get you right,

1:04:24 Speaker 1: or or it was this invisible infection that could be

1:04:27 Speaker 1: anywhere it could it could get you right. And and

1:04:32 Speaker 1: I it's it is a good comparison because it didn't

1:04:38 Speaker 1: matter if you were black, white, straight, gay, green, blue, yellow,

1:04:44 Speaker 1: didn't matter, rich, poor, nothing COVID affected everyone at that

1:04:49 Speaker 1: time the same, Right, That's how we were looking at it,

1:04:51 Speaker 1: and this one too. Obviously there's more nuance to both,

1:04:56 Speaker 1: and obviously there's there's a lot more than just what

1:04:59 Speaker 1: I said on the surface. But for the most part,

1:05:02 Speaker 1: I tend to think that you are you're right, and

1:05:05 Speaker 1: that that kind of disappoints me because any disclosure would

1:05:10 Speaker 1: then become catastrophic.

1:05:13 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't want it to be catastrophic. I

1:05:15 Speaker 2: just think that it would take a long time for

1:05:17 Speaker 2: people to adjust. I think off the hot people will

1:05:20 Speaker 2: be like they either won't believe it, and then some

1:05:22 Speaker 2: people will freak out, right.

1:05:24 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, so did this happen to you? It?

1:05:27 Speaker 2: A lot of people didn't believe it either, and a

1:05:28 Speaker 2: lot of people freaked out.

1:05:30 Speaker 1: I know you, yeah, and that's what I mean. So

1:05:32 Speaker 1: did you did because you've been engulfed in this information

1:05:36 Speaker 1: for so long? Did you ever kind of have like

1:05:40 Speaker 1: existential like almost too much.

1:05:44 Speaker 2: All the time?

1:05:45 Speaker 1: Yeah?

1:05:45 Speaker 2: Right, I go through my own I always say, like

1:05:48 Speaker 2: I've been in this topic. That's why I don't think

1:05:49 Speaker 2: we're ready. It's not because my experiences is what everyone's

1:05:54 Speaker 2: going to experience. We'll experience different things based on our

1:05:58 Speaker 2: experiences in life and how our brains operate and how

1:06:01 Speaker 2: they're programmed. But I will say from knowing my example

1:06:06 Speaker 2: of my life and being experiencing this topic forever always

1:06:11 Speaker 2: thinking that UFOs were real, never thinking that they weren't real.

1:06:15 Speaker 2: Growing up right, I never really questioned that narrative. If anything,

1:06:19 Speaker 2: I just wanted to know what they were, right. I

1:06:22 Speaker 2: never was like, well, this isn't real. So I've always

1:06:25 Speaker 2: lived in the space that they were real. Now learning

1:06:29 Speaker 2: new information, I have paradigm shifts, especially the David Gress information.

1:06:34 Speaker 2: When that came out, I went Okay, if this is

1:06:37 Speaker 2: part of a confirmation to some degree, then what about

1:06:42 Speaker 2: Debbie down the street? You know that was a real

1:06:44 Speaker 2: concern for me. I was like, you know, I was

1:06:46 Speaker 2: worried when we released that article a little bit, you know,

1:06:49 Speaker 2: what she might do or what she would think, and

1:06:52 Speaker 2: how would it would affect her. You know, that was

1:06:55 Speaker 2: a real concern for me because I was also having

1:06:58 Speaker 2: a hard time at moments jesting information and really truly

1:07:02 Speaker 2: being like if this is like this is all accurate,

1:07:05 Speaker 2: Like why am I working? Why am I not on

1:07:08 Speaker 2: a beach? Like like reality is not real, like everything

1:07:14 Speaker 2: you've told me, and knowing that that could already be

1:07:17 Speaker 2: a possibility being in this space consistently, it was a weird.

1:07:23 Speaker 2: If it was a confirmation to some degree. I'm not

1:07:25 Speaker 2: saying it's fully all accurate with David Grush said, but

1:07:28 Speaker 2: you know it's it made me think, and for sure

1:07:31 Speaker 2: a good couple of weeks I was sitting there turning

1:07:33 Speaker 2: my wheels so I do go through my own mini

1:07:35 Speaker 2: paradigm shifts, already being in a space of thinking that

1:07:39 Speaker 2: this stuff is true, right, and what is the person

1:07:43 Speaker 2: down the street going to do when they've never ever

1:07:46 Speaker 2: thought about this topic their entire life, and or they

1:07:49 Speaker 2: just thought about it and said, oh, it's hogwash and yeah,

1:07:53 Speaker 2: and then there's all that day and there's all this

1:07:55 Speaker 2: evidence in proof and all these things come forward, and

1:07:57 Speaker 2: they go, oh my gosh, what are are they going

1:08:01 Speaker 2: to look back and be like, was everything I told

1:08:03 Speaker 2: a lie? Like what I what? Was I believing my

1:08:05 Speaker 2: whole life? And some people might be like, sure, whatever,

1:08:08 Speaker 2: like I'm not surprised and move on. But I think

1:08:10 Speaker 2: there will be a segment of the population that's going

1:08:12 Speaker 2: to have some existential crisis to some degree. Yeah, but

1:08:16 Speaker 2: we all go through them. I think at some point,

1:08:18 Speaker 2: have you.

1:08:19 Speaker 1: Tyler, Oh my god, almost three times a week? Yeah enough, literally,

1:08:24 Speaker 1: like three times a week. I'm like, what the fuck Jesus,

1:08:29 Speaker 1: It's true. And so you almost feel like you're like

1:08:34 Speaker 1: sometimes I feel like I am outside of the matrix

1:08:38 Speaker 1: a little, like like I'm a little bit more removed

1:08:41 Speaker 1: than average Joe. Right, yeah, you are as well. So

1:08:45 Speaker 1: it's almost like you watch everyone just live in their

1:08:47 Speaker 1: lives and you're like, you guys don't know, Like, what

1:08:52 Speaker 1: do you guys doing?

1:08:53 Speaker 2: I don't know? Right, A lot of people don't care

1:08:57 Speaker 2: and that's the thing again, like they don't belie even

1:09:00 Speaker 2: they don't care. And I think again, those are like

1:09:02 Speaker 2: kind of pandemics that we have. We need to really

1:09:05 Speaker 2: start caring about each other, and we really need to

1:09:07 Speaker 2: start like believing people and then maybe we'll start to

1:09:11 Speaker 2: find some truths and things, because most people just walk

1:09:14 Speaker 2: day to day and I think this is really sad,

1:09:17 Speaker 2: and it's I see it both in Canada and the

1:09:19 Speaker 2: States and around the world. You know, people don't really

1:09:21 Speaker 2: care about each other. Unfortunately, They just they care about

1:09:25 Speaker 2: their family and their friends, and they don't really care

1:09:27 Speaker 2: about anything else. And hey, you know, like sometimes people

1:09:32 Speaker 2: have different struggles that they obviously need to worry about first.

1:09:35 Speaker 2: In real life Maslow's hierarchy of needs, there's some people

1:09:39 Speaker 2: that are just unfortunately just trying to build a foundation

1:09:43 Speaker 2: in a base and get by and are working for

1:09:45 Speaker 2: jobs and have to pay, if you know, have to

1:09:47 Speaker 2: put food on the table, and thinking about anything else

1:09:50 Speaker 2: except for surviving. Is real. We see them developing nations

1:09:53 Speaker 2: everywhere else. They don't have time to think bigger because

1:09:57 Speaker 2: they're too worried about surviving. And so once you thankfully,

1:10:00 Speaker 2: if you're privileged enough, depending on where you sit on

1:10:03 Speaker 2: this high hierarchy of Maslow's needs. If you're lucky enough

1:10:08 Speaker 2: that you get to focus on, you know, thinking about

1:10:11 Speaker 2: ideas and be comfortable and have a roof over your head,

1:10:14 Speaker 2: and you have the basic needs and you have rich

1:10:17 Speaker 2: have you have hit somewhat of that higher Maslow higher

1:10:21 Speaker 2: career of needs. You're very privileged and you're very lucky,

1:10:24 Speaker 2: so you get to think about these ideas more because

1:10:26 Speaker 2: you're not in survival. So we have to be thankful

1:10:30 Speaker 2: that the people that do get to think about these

1:10:32 Speaker 2: and not saying that people that are still working don't

1:10:35 Speaker 2: get to have bright ideas. It's just the conversation of

1:10:37 Speaker 2: how much time do you get to spend thinking about

1:10:40 Speaker 2: things right.

1:10:41 Speaker 1: Right when you when you're struggling to get rent paid.

1:10:45 Speaker 1: UFOs aren't really in a luxury, you know, a luxury

1:10:49 Speaker 1: you can afford to.

1:10:50 Speaker 2: Right, And doesn't get me wrong, there's probably a group

1:10:53 Speaker 2: of people, for sure that still love the topic even

1:10:55 Speaker 2: though and they're trying to learn more, and they're also

1:10:58 Speaker 2: like that is totally possible too. More majority of people

1:11:02 Speaker 2: are probably not always focused on that topic because they're

1:11:04 Speaker 2: just trying to focus on other needs. That they need

1:11:06 Speaker 2: to meet first, which is totally fair and understandable, and

1:11:09 Speaker 2: I get it, like and and also and some people

1:11:13 Speaker 2: just don't care, Like that's the point and that's the truth,

1:11:17 Speaker 2: and they don't And you know what, that's okay too,

1:11:19 Speaker 2: Like we can't about everything every moment of the day,

1:11:22 Speaker 2: but at least what we can do is care about

1:11:24 Speaker 2: each other and and and believe people when they say things.

1:11:30 Speaker 1: Remember, I believe I believe it was the Grush hearing

1:11:34 Speaker 1: that was also taking place. I don't know if you remember,

1:11:37 Speaker 1: but it was taking place during the same time that

1:11:39 Speaker 1: the Johnny Depp and Johnny Depp her trial was taking place.

1:11:43 Speaker 1: Which one do you think got more coverage?

1:11:45 Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, Johnny Depp and Amber of course.

1:11:49 Speaker 1: And that's that is the other flip side.

1:11:52 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was an unfortunate time.

1:11:54 Speaker 1: It's very very unfortunate.

1:11:56 Speaker 2: And I think it really was just it, you know,

1:11:59 Speaker 2: at high related abusive relationships, and that's important for people

1:12:03 Speaker 2: to see because both people were abusive, right. I think

1:12:07 Speaker 2: what we saw there was that people favor Johnny Depp

1:12:09 Speaker 2: because he had good pr but really those were both

1:12:12 Speaker 2: very abusive people abusing each other.

1:12:14 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's and that's god.

1:12:17 Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's another show.

1:12:19 Speaker 1: But d yeah, David Grush is on the stand, right

1:12:23 Speaker 1: on the stand, given taken an oath and saying things

1:12:27 Speaker 1: that people need to hear, and they were not tuned

1:12:31 Speaker 1: in in it now, you know. And then the descretic

1:12:34 Speaker 1: campaign that came after leaking his PTSD. I mean, god

1:12:38 Speaker 1: forbid someone who was in a combat zone has has

1:12:41 Speaker 1: a little trouble, you know, right, It's just it was,

1:12:45 Speaker 1: it was terrible. It was the David Grush thing really

1:12:49 Speaker 1: upset me because you saw how quick the channel could

1:12:54 Speaker 1: be changed, right, how fast? Because people like to say, oh,

1:12:58 Speaker 1: the tooth Piaze can't go back in the ball. You're

1:13:00 Speaker 1: damn you're out of your mind. If you don't think

1:13:03 Speaker 1: they can, they can. They will fight tooth and nail

1:13:08 Speaker 1: to keep this secret as long as possible.

1:13:11 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so for sure.

1:13:14 Speaker 1: Uh and and and it sucks, but it is what

1:13:17 Speaker 1: it is. And so we're kind of winding down. But

1:13:25 Speaker 1: if I want to ask you if these UAP incursions

1:13:28 Speaker 1: represent something non human, Oh, well, how do you think

1:13:33 Speaker 1: the global society, governments, and media would react to definitive proof?

1:13:40 Speaker 1: Kind of we kind of just talked about that. That

1:13:42 Speaker 1: was my final question, I think we already kind of

1:13:44 Speaker 1: answered that.

1:13:45 Speaker 2: Yeah, did just answered that I think we did. Yeah.

1:13:49 Speaker 2: I will say that one thing I think is important,

1:13:51 Speaker 2: and we've brought this up a couple of times throughout

1:13:53 Speaker 2: the years, and Li Spiegel and Jack Vella have worked

1:13:57 Speaker 2: on this is trying to get this topic into the

1:13:59 Speaker 2: United Names. I think that if that does happen, I

1:14:03 Speaker 2: would hope that the United Nations would start up, stand

1:14:06 Speaker 2: up and create a playbook about how to communicate to

1:14:09 Speaker 2: the public about these issues, along with then creating protocol

1:14:12 Speaker 2: and how to talk to something that's an NHI, and

1:14:15 Speaker 2: then how do we collect data and share data around

1:14:18 Speaker 2: the world and analyze it together. So I think that

1:14:21 Speaker 2: would be next step where we'd have to look at

1:14:23 Speaker 2: government agencies and organizations to be able to step forward

1:14:27 Speaker 2: and start creating plans that are international right, right, right,

1:14:30 Speaker 2: country based right.

1:14:33 Speaker 1: So, do you think that there is you know, finally,

1:14:36 Speaker 1: because I guess this is where that question heads is,

1:14:41 Speaker 1: do you think that there could be potentially some sort

1:14:46 Speaker 1: of because like you said earlier, we know the case

1:14:50 Speaker 1: in Malmstrom where they turned off the nuclear weapons. There

1:14:55 Speaker 1: was a case in Russia with that George knapp uncompored.

1:14:58 Speaker 1: After the fall Soviet Union and the KGB released certain files.

1:15:02 Speaker 1: There was an incident at a I think it was

1:15:05 Speaker 1: a Ukrainian actually facility where they turned the weapons on. Ultimately,

1:15:12 Speaker 1: nothing happened in either case, the weapons weren't even damaged,

1:15:18 Speaker 1: but they were taken apart inspected. There's other cases like

1:15:22 Speaker 1: Bob Jacobs where he watched he was recording and of

1:15:27 Speaker 1: a dummy warhead. UFO comes at a screen, kind of

1:15:31 Speaker 1: hits it with a beam, hits it with another beam

1:15:33 Speaker 1: because there's a three sixty around it. Uh, they tumbles

1:15:36 Speaker 1: out of the sky. Do you think there's some sort

1:15:38 Speaker 1: of global monitoring system where there? I don't know.

1:15:43 Speaker 2: You don't know if there is. I would imagine that.

1:15:46 Speaker 2: I don't know if there's global, but I know that

1:15:47 Speaker 2: we have monitoring systems obviously within our own airspaces in

1:15:50 Speaker 2: North America right we're consistently monitoring that. But I don't

1:15:54 Speaker 2: know if there's I don't think there's global sharing. I

1:15:58 Speaker 2: think we're globally tapped in to all different satellites that

1:16:01 Speaker 2: are obviously floating around, and so we're able to see

1:16:07 Speaker 2: what's happening globally. Even though we're you know, they might

1:16:10 Speaker 2: be North American satellites. So yes, there are global tracking

1:16:14 Speaker 2: systems to some degree, but are they working together globally?

1:16:18 Speaker 2: I think that data of information is very privy to

1:16:21 Speaker 2: their own country that's there. Unless you're an adversary, then

1:16:24 Speaker 2: you'll share that information or sorry you're unless you're an ally,

1:16:27 Speaker 2: then you would share that information potentially with your other allies.

1:16:31 Speaker 2: But I think it's really all of that information really

1:16:34 Speaker 2: stands between their own everyone's country, and maybe not every

1:16:38 Speaker 2: country really does it right because they don't have a

1:16:40 Speaker 2: defense budget. You know, We've got small little countries that

1:16:44 Speaker 2: have a very tiny, tiny military because they have no

1:16:48 Speaker 2: need for it.

1:16:48 Speaker 3: Right right, Well, I meant from internal complex not massive wars, right,

1:16:56 Speaker 3: So I meant from the UFO perspective that they, oh,

1:17:01 Speaker 3: they do monitoring our I don't globally.

1:17:05 Speaker 2: I don't know.

1:17:05 Speaker 1: Probably this is not the United States.

1:17:08 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would imagine for sure if they are here,

1:17:11 Speaker 2: like if that if we're saying that hypothesis is accurate

1:17:15 Speaker 2: and they are here, and for sure they would be

1:17:17 Speaker 2: watching us globally. I wouldn't see why they wouldn't we

1:17:19 Speaker 2: watch everybody globally. Why wouldn't they watching us, right, so uh,

1:17:23 Speaker 2: you know, same the same we would imagine. So yeah,

1:17:27 Speaker 2: I just we have to. I think the question is

1:17:29 Speaker 2: to find out, like, you know, if they are here,

1:17:32 Speaker 2: why they're here, how long have they been here? Have

1:17:34 Speaker 2: they been here forever? And what are the next steps

1:17:38 Speaker 2: that we do to be able to integrate this into

1:17:40 Speaker 2: society so that it's normalized and we move on and

1:17:43 Speaker 2: we have a better uh a better understanding of who

1:17:47 Speaker 2: we are and what's going on in the universe, right,

1:17:50 Speaker 2: I just because I don't know what's going on if they.

1:17:54 Speaker 1: If they had true if they've been around forever, which

1:17:57 Speaker 1: is something that I really do think is more of

1:18:01 Speaker 1: the truth because I mean you look throughout history and

1:18:05 Speaker 1: the stories and religious texts and various other uh uh,

1:18:13 Speaker 1: I don't know how you want to call it stories

1:18:16 Speaker 1: from the past. Imagine what we can learn, right, because

1:18:21 Speaker 1: we're species that doesn't really know our origin story to

1:18:24 Speaker 1: the fullest degree. So you know, if if disclosure did

1:18:29 Speaker 1: happen and we were able to, you know, uh, one

1:18:33 Speaker 1: day find all these answers, I think that would be

1:18:37 Speaker 1: just just just absolutely amazing. And that's what that's why

1:18:41 Speaker 1: I think the cover up aggravates me. It's like, what

1:18:45 Speaker 1: are we not? What could we learn? How could we advance?

1:18:49 Speaker 1: How could we you know, solve some of our own

1:18:52 Speaker 1: issues on this earth if given the chance by this

1:18:58 Speaker 1: you know, disclosure process. But it seems to be being

1:19:02 Speaker 1: pigeon heeled over greed and that that frustrates me, right.

1:19:07 Speaker 2: So mensely mentally. I wish we weren't a very greedy world.

1:19:12 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and yeah, yeah, we're just it seems that

1:19:18 Speaker 1: it seems that the secret's being kept. And I don't

1:19:21 Speaker 1: know if you if it's a crime against humanity or not.

1:19:24 Speaker 1: It sounds because it almost sounds like it is to

1:19:27 Speaker 1: keep this from us.

1:19:28 Speaker 2: Well I think so, yeah, if there's information that we

1:19:31 Speaker 2: need to know that's going to help us and it's

1:19:33 Speaker 2: going to help society, then yeah, it is a crime

1:19:35 Speaker 2: for sure, because you're hiding evolution, right, our evolution.

1:19:40 Speaker 1: Right? And uh like it did that. So that's what

1:19:45 Speaker 1: I talked about earlier, is like you can't hide that

1:19:48 Speaker 1: a snake exists right now, like it's part of nature.

1:19:52 Speaker 1: If you want to call it that, you can't, Like

1:19:55 Speaker 1: you don't have to show me, You don't have to

1:19:57 Speaker 1: show me, Like I know, there's things that need to

1:19:59 Speaker 1: be secret, right for national security reasons, like you can

1:20:03 Speaker 1: keep your secrets, your sources, keep them protected, your methods,

1:20:07 Speaker 1: keep them under wraps, right, do all that stuff. But

1:20:10 Speaker 1: I do do think that we could be given some

1:20:14 Speaker 1: more of these high res videos that are spoken about

1:20:17 Speaker 1: by people like Elizondo, and I do think that we

1:20:20 Speaker 1: can handle it. I know that you said that you might,

1:20:23 Speaker 1: you know, think that disclosure might be, like you said,

1:20:27 Speaker 1: a little chaotic, but I think it's it's happening.

1:20:32 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think. I think I think we're living through

1:20:34 Speaker 2: a form of discolosion closure where like you know, step

1:20:36 Speaker 2: one at have probably like multiple steps, yeah, right, like

1:20:40 Speaker 2: it is a disclosure. I can't say it's not right,

1:20:43 Speaker 2: but yeah, multiple I think we're where we will see

1:20:46 Speaker 2: multiple evolutions of what disclosure looks like.

1:20:49 Speaker 1: Right, So, what's what what is next for Chrissy and

1:20:54 Speaker 1: what you know, what what are you doing right now?

1:20:57 Speaker 1: What's what's on the horizon? You know?

1:21:00 Speaker 2: Yeah, I like right now, it's just a lot of

1:21:02 Speaker 2: writing with the debrief. I released an article recently that

1:21:06 Speaker 2: was about an interagency meeting with the National Science Foundation,

1:21:10 Speaker 2: and so that was the first time that they've had

1:21:12 Speaker 2: a meeting. Yeah, that was about edge technologies or disruptive

1:21:16 Speaker 2: technologies and ed science or frontier science if you want

1:21:19 Speaker 2: to call it. And UFOs were at the table. So

1:21:21 Speaker 2: there was a lot of really really smarter minds in

1:21:24 Speaker 2: that meeting, and I luckily was the first person to

1:21:27 Speaker 2: be able to write about it and get that meeting

1:21:29 Speaker 2: forward and publish that yesterday. So it's done fairly well

1:21:33 Speaker 2: in different spaces within edge technology and communities, and it's

1:21:37 Speaker 2: something that's been the first time it's ever been hosted

1:21:39 Speaker 2: by the National Science Foundation, So very excited. I got

1:21:43 Speaker 2: to report on that, more reporting, more podcasting, and you know,

1:21:47 Speaker 2: and then taking a break finally on Monday.

1:21:51 Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll definitely be joining you there because the holiday

1:21:56 Speaker 1: season is it's already stressful enough, you know, so I

1:22:01 Speaker 1: try not to do too much. But this was really,

1:22:04 Speaker 1: really fun. I really appreciate you coming on and talking

1:22:07 Speaker 1: with me. You know. So, where can people follow you on?

1:22:12 Speaker 1: Uh X? I always go to call it Twitter.

1:22:15 Speaker 2: I still call it Twitter.

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1:22:31 Speaker 2: all my body of work, they can go to Christynewton

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1:22:35 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I have those links in the description below

1:22:38 Speaker 1: for anyone that is interested. Christy, thank you for all

1:22:41 Speaker 1: you do for the UFO community. Your your analytical drive,

1:22:46 Speaker 1: your your quest for truth is something that is uh enviable, envious,

1:22:52 Speaker 1: I guess, and we definitely need. Like I said, we

1:22:55 Speaker 1: definitely need more more people like you that, you know,

1:23:00 Speaker 1: willing to sift through all the noise to kind of

1:23:03 Speaker 1: get us to the truth. Thank you so much.

1:23:07 Speaker 2: I appreciate that. It was great talking with you too.

1:23:10 Speaker 1: And I hope to have many more. So have a happy,

1:23:13 Speaker 1: happy holiday season and a great new year and we'll

1:23:16 Speaker 1: talk soon.

1:23:17 Speaker 2: That sounds good. Happy holidays, all right.

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