Inside Alien Abductions: Military & Civilian Parallels w/ Stephen Diener | "Contact in the Desert" Special

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0:22 Speaker 2: Welcome to a special edition of Total Disclosure Podcasts, coming

0:26 Speaker 2: to you directly from Contacting the Desert twenty twenty five

0:30 Speaker 2: Event Horizon, the epicenter of exploration, discovery, and all things otherworldly.

0:36 Speaker 2: I'm super happy to be joined today by hosts of

0:41 Speaker 2: Unidentified Alien Podcasts.

0:43 Speaker 3: Steven, how you doing great? Tyler?

0:46 Speaker 4: Happy to be here with you.

0:46 Speaker 3: Oh man, it's a pleasure.

0:48 Speaker 2: I love when we get to come out to these things.

0:51 Speaker 2: And yeah, of course interviewing people like Pi Robbins, Bassett, Sallas,

0:57 Speaker 2: you know, those interviews are some of my favorite to get.

1:00 Speaker 2: But also bringing the community together in a way, you know, offline,

1:06 Speaker 2: right off the off the platforms like Act, off the

1:09 Speaker 2: platforms like Reddit and and really being able to sit

1:14 Speaker 2: down and collaborate. And you know, today we're going to

1:16 Speaker 2: sit down for a twenty minute exclusive with you. You know,

1:20 Speaker 2: your voice that I think people are going to want

1:23 Speaker 2: to hear, and I think you have something of an

1:26 Speaker 2: exclusive to tell us.

1:28 Speaker 3: Right, So, how how do.

1:33 Speaker 2: You approach the topic of UAPs with your podcast? And

1:39 Speaker 2: you know, quickly, just just to surmize, how did you

1:41 Speaker 2: get into the topic.

1:43 Speaker 1: Yeah, so on both accounts, on the topic itself, is

1:46 Speaker 1: this really something that was always interested in?

1:48 Speaker 4: Well, actually, i'll rephrase that.

1:51 Speaker 1: Up until about fifteen or sixteen, I was terrified quick

1:58 Speaker 1: didn't want anything to do about it.

2:00 Speaker 4: When I would see a face of a gray X

2:04 Speaker 4: files on something like that, I was just like, oh

2:07 Speaker 4: my gosh, get it away from me. This is terrifying.

2:09 Speaker 1: But then something changed around I don't know, maybe like

2:14 Speaker 1: early twenties, somewhere in there, maybe we're about twenty years old,

2:17 Speaker 1: and I really started to get more interested than scared.

2:21 Speaker 1: Instead of laying the imagery scare me, I let the

2:24 Speaker 1: idea fascinate me, and the idea of what if what

2:30 Speaker 1: are all these stories?

2:32 Speaker 4: How come you have the Nasca lines.

2:37 Speaker 1: And then you have the Pyramids and you have all

2:39 Speaker 1: these ancient stories that actually kind of line up with

2:44 Speaker 1: what people are saying now about.

2:46 Speaker 4: Visitors and other lives.

2:47 Speaker 1: So it was round like collage age where I started

2:50 Speaker 1: really questioning all of it. And my first deep dive,

2:55 Speaker 1: well there was two. The first one was the Philadelphia experiment.

2:58 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yea to this day like just really really

3:03 Speaker 4: really fascinates me.

3:05 Speaker 2: I's watch the Unexplained episode on that, and yeah, that

3:12 Speaker 2: one's the one.

3:12 Speaker 1: Then it's it's wilderment.

3:16 Speaker 4: And then Edgar Casey.

3:18 Speaker 1: Edgar Casey is another one where and you talk about

3:21 Speaker 1: ancient Egypt with you know what he says about these things.

3:23 Speaker 1: I com Garrett under the Paw and it's talking about

3:26 Speaker 1: Atlantis and how everything connected.

3:27 Speaker 4: So those two things really.

3:29 Speaker 1: Led me down the rabbit hole, as we say all

3:32 Speaker 1: the time, the bad, the rabbit hole, you know, whatever

3:35 Speaker 1: you want, a cliche you want to use.

3:37 Speaker 4: And then it turned into me watching documentaries and.

3:40 Speaker 1: Shows and the people like you and I have interviewed,

3:43 Speaker 1: like Nick Pope. I would see in these shows and

3:45 Speaker 1: I would be taking notes about what they were saying,

3:48 Speaker 1: and now we're talking to them on our own shows.

3:50 Speaker 4: So it's it's really something. It had a life lost

3:54 Speaker 4: full circle like that sometimes.

3:56 Speaker 1: And when I started UAP almost four years ago in

4:00 Speaker 1: July twenty one, and I never expected it to be.

4:04 Speaker 4: More than just me talking about my favorite.

4:06 Speaker 1: Alien stories, right, and it turned into something that I

4:10 Speaker 1: could have never even planned for, which is just an

4:12 Speaker 1: unbelievable community of people who really like, thoroughly enjoy what

4:17 Speaker 1: I do, what I present, how I present it, which

4:19 Speaker 1: is just here are the details, here's the story. Here's

4:22 Speaker 1: the interview. The question is the answers you You make

4:25 Speaker 1: up your own mind. So it's it's fantastic.

4:27 Speaker 4: I love it.

4:28 Speaker 3: You recently did an interview with Loue Alizondo. Now I

4:31 Speaker 3: only bring this up because al Zando has been in.

4:34 Speaker 2: The news a lot recently, not something positive. So that

4:39 Speaker 2: interview that you did landed at a pretty weird time.

4:42 Speaker 2: It did so I unfortunately I haven't been able to

4:46 Speaker 2: watch it yet. But didn't Lou address any of the

4:51 Speaker 2: because the way I see it is, if you're if

4:53 Speaker 2: you are going to step in front of Congress and

4:56 Speaker 2: you are going to be representing like a cufo, like

5:00 Speaker 2: a tip, and you know why, why do you think he.

5:03 Speaker 3: Showed that picture?

5:05 Speaker 4: It was the first question I asked. I said, okay, listen.

5:09 Speaker 3: Let's get the elephant out of the room.

5:11 Speaker 1: Exactly what I said. I said, look, Lou, elephant in

5:13 Speaker 1: the room. Let's get this out of the way. We

5:16 Speaker 1: can't pretend like this didn't happen. Why did you show

5:18 Speaker 1: the picture?

5:19 Speaker 4: What happened? Was it just a mistake? You know? What

5:23 Speaker 4: was the situation? And that's what he said. He's like, look,

5:26 Speaker 4: I'm not infallible he's like, I think mistakes like everybody else.

5:29 Speaker 4: And he said the.

5:30 Speaker 1: Way it went down, and this is Blu's version of

5:32 Speaker 1: the story. The way it went down was he was

5:35 Speaker 1: about to go on and I guess it wasn't a

5:39 Speaker 1: congressional hearing. Obviously he was at that one that you

5:42 Speaker 1: and I were about that November of twenty fourth where

5:44 Speaker 1: he was sworn.

5:46 Speaker 4: This was not that.

5:47 Speaker 1: This was more along the lines of a round table discussion.

5:51 Speaker 1: And they asked He's like, they asked me to moderate.

5:54 Speaker 1: Obviy Lob is there, Eric Davis is there amongst others,

5:57 Speaker 1: and they asked me and moderated. He's like, before I

5:59 Speaker 1: go on, I have a pilot friend who I trust

6:03 Speaker 1: come up with me and say I want to look

6:05 Speaker 1: at this and want to show this to you. What

6:08 Speaker 1: do you think. He's like, you know, do you want

6:09 Speaker 1: to show it? See them while you're out there, and

6:12 Speaker 1: he's like, look, it's not vetted.

6:14 Speaker 4: It's not anything that's gone through the process of being

6:17 Speaker 4: debunked or not.

6:18 Speaker 1: He's like, so I trusted the guy, and I decided

6:20 Speaker 1: to show the picture and say this was not vetted.

6:23 Speaker 1: And he kept saying to me when I was talking

6:25 Speaker 1: to him. He's like, maybe I didn't say it enough.

6:27 Speaker 1: He's like, but I kept trying to say, this isn't vented.

6:30 Speaker 1: I was handed this picture. I want to show it.

6:32 Speaker 1: But you and I both know what happens when.

6:34 Speaker 4: You put out a picture of a purported UFO.

6:38 Speaker 1: That's what sticks in people's minds, and they're gonna think

6:40 Speaker 1: you're showing us a picture of UFO and you lie

6:43 Speaker 1: to us, or you misrepresented, or you're just dumb and

6:46 Speaker 1: you didn't know it was fake. So unfortunately, there wasn't

6:51 Speaker 1: a good result at all on what he did.

6:55 Speaker 4: Unfortunately.

6:56 Speaker 3: You know what strikes me the most.

6:59 Speaker 2: About that is you got to know and loot specifically,

7:04 Speaker 2: you have to understand that he has to know that

7:08 Speaker 2: what he puts out is going to be dissected for.

7:13 Speaker 5: Every minute, every second, every word, every annunciation, every picture

7:21 Speaker 5: is going to be analyzed, and it's going to be

7:23 Speaker 5: written over and talked about and analyzed.

7:27 Speaker 3: So to show something.

7:29 Speaker 2: That's not vetted, you know, of course, we're all human

7:33 Speaker 2: and we make mistakes. But I think what most people

7:36 Speaker 2: will agree on is why why make that mistake at

7:40 Speaker 2: that time?

7:40 Speaker 4: Right?

7:41 Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, it's a fair critique. I mean, I would

7:44 Speaker 1: equate loud And I didn't say this to him, but

7:45 Speaker 1: I should have. Maybe I will if I speak to

7:47 Speaker 1: him again enough of time, I would equate ludes to

7:51 Speaker 1: for better or worse, a quarterback of a football team, Like,

7:55 Speaker 1: he's the guy that's out in front of the camera

7:59 Speaker 1: the most. He's the biggest name in this field. Like not,

8:02 Speaker 1: that's just the way it is.

8:04 Speaker 2: You know.

8:04 Speaker 4: We can talk about Ross Colthart, we can talk about Corbelle.

8:06 Speaker 1: Everybody else, right, and they all are great in their

8:10 Speaker 1: own respect, but he's the guy, Yes, And to your point,

8:17 Speaker 1: when he says something or shows something, it is gonna

8:20 Speaker 1: be critique very much, just like a quarterback at the

8:22 Speaker 1: quarterback is at a nightclub.

8:24 Speaker 4: And his picture sapped the thing with some world who

8:26 Speaker 4: is not his wife.

8:27 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go all over. You know, You're gonna be critique.

8:30 Speaker 1: You're gonna be dissected in the same way.

8:33 Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly right.

8:34 Speaker 1: And so it's it's it's to finish off that analogy there,

8:40 Speaker 1: but so it's it was just unfortunate. And you know,

8:43 Speaker 1: I asked him, I said, do you think you were

8:44 Speaker 1: saying up? And he said, I don't think so. But

8:47 Speaker 1: it's it's not on the wrong possibility. It's like I

8:50 Speaker 1: trusted the guy who gave it to me, So he's like,

8:52 Speaker 1: I don't think he would do that to me.

8:54 Speaker 4: It's like, if I'm not gonna, you know, say that,

8:56 Speaker 4: it's out of the question.

8:58 Speaker 3: And I don't want to keep beating it doors here

9:00 Speaker 3: because we have much more talk about.

9:03 Speaker 2: It's just you know, because then then him and then

9:06 Speaker 2: he leaves the U A P Disclosure front right shortly

9:09 Speaker 2: after right right, matt Ford and Melon stays on.

9:15 Speaker 3: Now. When Alexander left TTSA.

9:17 Speaker 2: Melon left with him, So I mean when Alexander left

9:20 Speaker 2: ttsa Melon went with him. So I mean, I hope

9:24 Speaker 2: that that relationship is still there because I think they're

9:26 Speaker 2: a good team.

9:26 Speaker 1: It is, and he mentioned that too, And this was

9:29 Speaker 1: actually off the area.

9:30 Speaker 4: I ran out of time. We spoke for two hours.

9:33 Speaker 4: We had booked an hour and a half and.

9:35 Speaker 1: Then I ran out of time, but still talked to

9:36 Speaker 1: him after we don't recording, and one of the things

9:38 Speaker 1: that we talked about afterwards that did make the recording

9:42 Speaker 1: was it's all good when it comes to Melon and fo.

9:47 Speaker 4: Yeah, they're all good. The relationship is fine.

9:49 Speaker 1: He's like he's like, literally, dude, I had a time.

9:52 Speaker 1: He's like, I told him.

9:53 Speaker 4: I'm gonna do it for this long. He's like, the

9:55 Speaker 4: time was up on it.

9:56 Speaker 1: He's like, I'm just running out of dand with I

9:58 Speaker 1: think he used the phrase of in the kindle both ends.

10:01 Speaker 1: He's like, I just can't do it anymore. And that's

10:04 Speaker 1: really what it came down to. He's like, Melon didn't

10:06 Speaker 1: want me to leave. He's like, I'm sure the text

10:07 Speaker 1: messages is like no, I'm not allowing you. He's resigning.

10:10 Speaker 1: He's like, but I it's like, I just I can't

10:13 Speaker 1: do it anymore. I have to like cut something out.

10:15 Speaker 1: And this was always the plan was to leave. So again,

10:18 Speaker 1: funny time, kind of like the interview I did with

10:20 Speaker 1: him that was also funny.

10:21 Speaker 2: That right, right, series of unfortunate events. But let's turn

10:25 Speaker 2: the table back to you, and.

10:28 Speaker 3: You know what you've been doing. I think you know

10:31 Speaker 3: the interviews that you put out. They're very well researched

10:35 Speaker 3: and you ask provocative questions, and you know it's not

10:39 Speaker 3: the same old interview, which is what is really what

10:42 Speaker 3: I like in a in a podcast or.

10:43 Speaker 2: A host, you're doing something a little bit unique.

10:48 Speaker 3: So you're you're it's part of the podcast.

10:51 Speaker 2: But it's a subset of it, right, So maybe you

10:54 Speaker 2: want to talk about a little bit of what you've

10:56 Speaker 2: been doing.

10:57 Speaker 4: Yes, so this is the exclusive.

10:59 Speaker 3: Yes ex mousivo, Yes, this is it.

11:04 Speaker 1: So back in November of twenty four, around the time

11:08 Speaker 1: actually that we were at the Congressional hearing, the idea,

11:12 Speaker 1: very very soft pitch was presented to me about doing

11:16 Speaker 1: some type of investigative series tends like a six eight

11:21 Speaker 1: ten episode season on one thing, because as you know,

11:25 Speaker 1: with UAP, it's all about here's the story for that episode.

11:29 Speaker 1: At most of all, we're going to do two parts.

11:30 Speaker 1: I think I've only done one to three part like

11:32 Speaker 1: in the four years I've been doing the show, and

11:34 Speaker 1: then I move on, next story, next guest, whatever it

11:37 Speaker 1: might be. So I was again soft pitch of what

11:42 Speaker 1: do you think about doing something like this? And I

11:44 Speaker 1: was like, you know what, it actually has been something

11:47 Speaker 1: I thought about, but I just don't have the time,

11:50 Speaker 1: is the problem. And then I was like, maybe I do.

11:55 Speaker 1: And I thought about it and I thought, okay, what

11:57 Speaker 1: would this be like if I did a whole season something,

12:00 Speaker 1: what would that subject be? And I went through a

12:02 Speaker 1: couple of different ideas in my head, and then January

12:05 Speaker 1: rolls around this year and I have someone reach out

12:09 Speaker 1: to me who you're going to hear in this new series.

12:14 Speaker 4: I can only call them mister Jay.

12:18 Speaker 1: Mister Jay is someone who has never been on any

12:23 Speaker 1: other show. And I'm not saying this and like, you know,

12:25 Speaker 1: to brag, it's not that, and I always want to

12:28 Speaker 1: make that clear because I do not like to brag.

12:32 Speaker 1: I always that somebody who just reached out to me.

12:37 Speaker 1: He's in Europe and he came to me and he's like, look,

12:41 Speaker 1: I really want to.

12:41 Speaker 4: Tell you about my experiences.

12:43 Speaker 1: And I always very I take that what I caution,

12:46 Speaker 1: and I'm not trying to put anybody down. And someone

12:47 Speaker 1: tries to tell me their experiences by all means, I

12:49 Speaker 1: always love reading those messages and I take them seriously.

12:53 Speaker 1: But when someone says I want to talk to you

12:55 Speaker 1: face to face through zoom, that's when I start to say,

13:00 Speaker 1: I don't know what I went for it and I

13:03 Speaker 1: took the chance, and his story led me to say

13:09 Speaker 1: yes to this new venture. His story revolves around his

13:15 Speaker 1: lifelong abductions and unexplained medical conditions resulting from them, so

13:22 Speaker 1: that led me down the path of I need to

13:25 Speaker 1: do this. It's going to be ten episodes a whole season.

13:29 Speaker 1: Ten of its was long, one after the other, one

13:31 Speaker 1: every week. It's not a Netflix bad right, It's more

13:36 Speaker 1: like Manualori and Disney Plus or it's one one after

13:40 Speaker 1: the other, and it's all about for ten episodes, AHI

13:46 Speaker 1: anomalous health incidences or issues, and it covers that phenomenon

13:51 Speaker 1: of people who have implants, abductions, close encounters, and they

13:57 Speaker 1: all have the common thread of having some type of

14:01 Speaker 1: unexplained medical condition documented, not some guy that you'd saying,

14:05 Speaker 1: look at the star, I got it from an alien,

14:08 Speaker 1: And it's we're talking about.

14:09 Speaker 2: More like John Burrows the documented case of health effects

14:14 Speaker 2: after coming in contact.

14:17 Speaker 4: With a correct exactly.

14:19 Speaker 2: Okay, So so it's fair to say that you know

14:24 Speaker 2: you'll be talking about things like Havevana syndrome, Yes, okay.

14:28 Speaker 2: And you know we know that doctor Gary Nolan has

14:32 Speaker 2: been doing a lot of work on that directed energy

14:36 Speaker 2: weapons and not well.

14:37 Speaker 3: Not directed energy weapons specifically.

14:39 Speaker 2: But do you think that there's something to this whole

14:42 Speaker 2: idea that we do have the capabilities that secret technology

14:47 Speaker 2: or secret non lethal technologies that might be also affecting people.

14:53 Speaker 4: Yes, it seems that way.

14:55 Speaker 3: Targeted.

14:55 Speaker 4: It really does this unfortunately, and targeted is the word

14:58 Speaker 4: to use.

14:58 Speaker 1: Actually, I don't know why that is why these people

15:02 Speaker 1: are targeted.

15:02 Speaker 4: Now they give me different reasons why. So maybe that.

15:05 Speaker 1: Has something to do with it, you know, family history

15:08 Speaker 1: or just you know government employees who are targeted, whatever

15:11 Speaker 1: it might be. So it really touches it and brought

15:14 Speaker 1: up manism because it touches on the terrestrial and non

15:18 Speaker 1: terrestrial sides of anomalous health inituences.

15:21 Speaker 4: So that's that's the that's the exclusive. It's called UAP Investigates.

15:26 Speaker 4: I'm super exciting.

15:27 Speaker 3: I'm excited about it.

15:29 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's it's a ton of work. Ten episodes,

15:32 Speaker 4: so that's what we said. Along with ten.

15:34 Speaker 1: Episodes, I have half the season produced, half to.

15:38 Speaker 4: Go, and it's it's gonna come out soon.

15:41 Speaker 1: That first episode is gonna come out soon, So keep

15:43 Speaker 1: you updated online.

15:44 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd love to, Like I said, I'd love to

15:47 Speaker 2: watch it and definitely talk about it.

15:50 Speaker 3: But so, I mean, is this what what you're doing

15:57 Speaker 3: with abduction and that realm?

16:01 Speaker 2: Does it give you any didn't give you any hesitation

16:04 Speaker 2: at first? Like when you came into the topic. I

16:08 Speaker 2: know you said you were, you know, a little bit afraid,

16:10 Speaker 2: like when you're younger. I mean, abduction is the most

16:12 Speaker 2: terrifying aspect of this whole thing, that you could take

16:15 Speaker 2: it out of your room, right or taking it up

16:17 Speaker 2: into a craft and wake up.

16:19 Speaker 3: On a table. So does it give you.

16:24 Speaker 2: A little bit of pause when you dive into a

16:26 Speaker 2: subject like this.

16:27 Speaker 4: It does, but for another reason.

16:30 Speaker 1: So I'm not again, I don't see this in like

16:33 Speaker 1: a braggadocious way. I'm not afraid of being an inducted.

16:36 Speaker 1: And what I mean by that is from everything I've

16:39 Speaker 1: come across. Maybe you've noticed the same thing. It feels

16:41 Speaker 1: like people are chosen from a younger age. It doesn't

16:45 Speaker 1: feel like it's going to happen for the first time

16:47 Speaker 1: to a thirty eight, thirty nine years old guy.

16:49 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we're past the abduction beginning point.

16:52 Speaker 4: It seems that way.

16:54 Speaker 3: Here's here's the thing that I've been talking about with

16:56 Speaker 3: other people.

16:58 Speaker 2: Do you think the abduction phenomena has slowed down or

17:00 Speaker 2: do you think it maybe has changed.

17:04 Speaker 4: That's a great question. I don't think it's slowed down.

17:09 Speaker 1: I think and this is just from an observational point

17:12 Speaker 1: of view, I think the conversation around it has changed.

17:16 Speaker 1: To your point, I think there's just so many other

17:19 Speaker 1: things that we talk about or notice or you know,

17:24 Speaker 1: tweet about it or create content about that. The conversation.

17:30 Speaker 1: It's become one conversation point, whereas in some cases before

17:35 Speaker 1: it was like the thing abductions close kinds that they're

17:38 Speaker 1: kind of fire from the sky.

17:39 Speaker 4: At least there are things that was the thing.

17:42 Speaker 1: Now we talk about Ahi, we talked about implants and

17:45 Speaker 1: all these other subjects. So it feels like it's still

17:48 Speaker 1: going on just from what we hear, right, the people

17:51 Speaker 1: we talk to.

17:52 Speaker 4: But I think it's I think you're right. I think

17:53 Speaker 4: it's the conversation.

17:55 Speaker 2: Because I mean, think about it, think about it, past Google, happened.

17:58 Speaker 3: Today, right, what was what would it be like? What

18:01 Speaker 3: would the what would the world?

18:03 Speaker 2: How would the world be impacted a world that is

18:07 Speaker 2: so much more connected in an event like that that

18:10 Speaker 2: got a lot of coverage, or like the phoenix lights

18:13 Speaker 2: something like they do you think?

18:16 Speaker 3: I mean, because it's odd that with the rise in.

18:20 Speaker 2: Technological advancement, the amount of mass slightings has gone or

18:25 Speaker 2: sightings like the phoenix lights like Pascaloula, which has was

18:29 Speaker 2: actually seen by a lot more people than people realize.

18:33 Speaker 2: There's like there's over thirty witnesses to that to to

18:37 Speaker 2: that craft and they all say the same thing. So

18:43 Speaker 2: you know, I don't think it's mass hallucination like others say.

18:46 Speaker 2: I think there is something to alien abduction or abduction

18:50 Speaker 2: at least.

18:52 Speaker 1: I think the one that gets me the most when

18:53 Speaker 1: you talk about that is the aerial school in Zimbabwe.

18:58 Speaker 1: Very much, that way gets me the most. Mid nineties,

19:02 Speaker 1: I believe, right. And for me just just from a I.

19:07 Speaker 4: Look at this from a parent's standpoint of view, two kids,

19:10 Speaker 4: I have two kids, ten and eight. Pretty much the

19:12 Speaker 4: age group of the school children is a bob.

19:15 Speaker 1: When this happened the craft lands, they all see these,

19:19 Speaker 1: you know, aliens come off. They all describe it. And

19:23 Speaker 1: when I look at it from his parents point of view,

19:26 Speaker 1: what I mean by that is it is extremely difficult

19:29 Speaker 1: to get kids to agree on something. And if you're

19:34 Speaker 1: gonna put twenty to thirty school children in a room

19:37 Speaker 1: and say you're all gonna say you saw this, this, this, this,

19:42 Speaker 1: You're gonna draw the same pictures. All your pictures is

19:45 Speaker 1: gonna have this detail, detail that detail. It is impossible. Yes,

19:51 Speaker 1: I agree, impossible, dary impossible, two kids that I have

19:55 Speaker 1: literally impossible. I would be it would be easier for

19:58 Speaker 1: me to create a wormhole and then to get twenty

20:03 Speaker 1: to thirty school children to agree what things saw and

20:09 Speaker 1: to agree what you saw in witnessing a UFO land

20:13 Speaker 1: and aliens come off.

20:14 Speaker 4: It just doesn't happen.

20:16 Speaker 2: And then the added pressure of how much network coverage,

20:18 Speaker 2: how much coverage it was getting by people like John

20:21 Speaker 2: Matt right.

20:22 Speaker 3: Or that was that the same one.

20:25 Speaker 2: But yeah, so I mean when people when you start

20:28 Speaker 2: putting cameras on kids, right, you're gonna start seeing, You'll

20:31 Speaker 2: start seeing the flaws eat very soon. But there was

20:34 Speaker 2: something that is ever convincing about that story, and I

20:37 Speaker 2: think it is because of their children, and there's that

20:40 Speaker 2: aspect of the innocence and what.

20:42 Speaker 3: What reason would they have to lie?

20:44 Speaker 4: Exactly right?

20:45 Speaker 3: Why would they lie? It just doesn't really make sense.

20:48 Speaker 3: So have you ever seen anything? So I've you wea

20:53 Speaker 3: out of sighting.

20:55 Speaker 1: The only thing that I can say that was close

20:57 Speaker 1: to the sighting because I'm not experiencer and I'm more

21:00 Speaker 1: of it, and that's what I was talking about earlier,

21:02 Speaker 1: like I feel like people are chosen to a certain

21:04 Speaker 1: extent to experience or to be abducted.

21:07 Speaker 3: Even I think so.

21:11 Speaker 1: And I mean when I say to see, I mean

21:13 Speaker 1: I'm talking like orbs coming down and like that type

21:16 Speaker 1: of experience. Maybe maybe it's just stay close encounter, Like

21:18 Speaker 1: I think anybody can see something.

21:20 Speaker 4: Across this whoa what was that?

21:22 Speaker 1: Which is pretty much what happened to me. So the

21:24 Speaker 1: only thing that I can say that I can point

21:26 Speaker 1: to was a couple of years ago. It was at

21:29 Speaker 1: my brother's house in South Florida and we're standing out

21:32 Speaker 1: at this pool at night and we all saw like

21:35 Speaker 1: this little light go. It was a circle, a little

21:38 Speaker 1: orb circle go across the sky going north to south.

21:44 Speaker 4: I was like, oh god, I just look at the satellite.

21:45 Speaker 4: I was telling myself. Is next to me, like like

21:48 Speaker 4: look satellite. And it's like, oh wow, cool, look at that.

21:51 Speaker 1: And we're all standing out there, my my my kids,

21:54 Speaker 1: my brother, his kids, his wife, my wife, and then

21:57 Speaker 1: another one kidding. I'm like, oh, it's supposed to be starling, right,

22:01 Speaker 1: this is really cool, right, And then another one came

22:05 Speaker 1: from east to west.

22:07 Speaker 4: Now it's different directions.

22:09 Speaker 3: Interestact thing right, and then west east and.

22:12 Speaker 1: Then south and north, and it happened for like ten minutes,

22:15 Speaker 1: these little white going orbs, we're.

22:17 Speaker 4: Going across the sky at about that this was storing up.

22:20 Speaker 4: It was about the speed of his satellite. If every

22:22 Speaker 4: single satellite, Oh.

22:23 Speaker 2: Yeah, we saw the last night for like I mean,

22:25 Speaker 2: most of people call me if I was on Facebook, right.

22:30 Speaker 1: Usually it's yeah, so and so you know that speed.

22:34 Speaker 1: It's faster than the airplanes, fashion than the helicopter. But

22:37 Speaker 1: it's a steady light going across the sky. Yeah exactly.

22:42 Speaker 1: And so I'm like, well, it's not a satellite because

22:45 Speaker 1: there would be a lot of st it's playing around

22:46 Speaker 1: right now, back to back, back to back, right, and

22:48 Speaker 1: I thought starlight because those link.

22:50 Speaker 3: Up, and I seen the storyline. I think it looks

22:52 Speaker 3: like a pearl, like a line of pearl exactly.

22:55 Speaker 1: So I don't know what that was. It was all

22:58 Speaker 1: different directions, Like I said, back to act. For about

23:01 Speaker 1: five ten minutes of these Lloyd horbes just went across

23:05 Speaker 1: and they all lasted about I would say maybe thirty

23:09 Speaker 1: seconds to sixty second intervals.

23:12 Speaker 4: So that's mostly Did you checked.

23:14 Speaker 3: For meteor showers?

23:16 Speaker 4: No, But it moving like a meteor.

23:19 Speaker 3: Okay, well yeah I could.

23:21 Speaker 4: But you know, it just it wasn't moving like that.

23:23 Speaker 6: It was forward and it was yeah right, So I mean,

23:27 Speaker 6: if we look at what that's doing, right, so, once

23:30 Speaker 6: north south on's the east west, it's creating what is

23:33 Speaker 6: across right, Yeah, So I want to pull this back.

23:38 Speaker 2: Do you think that there is a connection between, like

23:41 Speaker 2: you said earlier, when our when our ancestors and what

23:45 Speaker 2: ancient civilizations have took long periods of time to.

23:50 Speaker 3: Carve into the rock?

23:52 Speaker 2: Do you think that we're seeing the same thing that

23:56 Speaker 2: our ancestors and early civilizations saw and the name is

23:59 Speaker 2: simply changed, or do you think we're dealing with a

24:01 Speaker 2: lot of different phenomenon in the world, just not black

24:04 Speaker 2: and white.

24:05 Speaker 1: I think there might be something to that where it

24:08 Speaker 1: might have been the same then, but I think they

24:11 Speaker 1: actually had more encounters. It's more less distraction, of course, yes, right,

24:17 Speaker 1: a deeper personalization with it than we have now. Like

24:21 Speaker 1: right now, that deeper personalization seems to be very limited

24:25 Speaker 1: to like a select few people who say, I've been

24:28 Speaker 1: on the craft, they speak to me, I speak to them.

24:31 Speaker 4: Dark people like that out there, for sure, they're all here. Yeah,

24:34 Speaker 4: that's right, We've been for you, that's right. But it

24:39 Speaker 4: does it does.

24:39 Speaker 1: It seems to be that they have been around longer

24:43 Speaker 1: than we have, and they've been interacting with the human

24:47 Speaker 1: race in different ways past that years.

24:51 Speaker 3: Well, what if what if.

24:54 Speaker 2: I want to play a hypothetical year, what if we

24:57 Speaker 2: find out that they had hand in our creation? Do

25:01 Speaker 2: you think the world would be ready to find out?

25:04 Speaker 2: Like Daddy's Home and I say that, I say, that's

25:08 Speaker 2: a very crude analogy. But you know why you feel

25:13 Speaker 2: like neodograss Ice and.

25:14 Speaker 3: Say, oh why would why would they be interested in humans?

25:18 Speaker 2: I can think of one reason, right, I can think

25:21 Speaker 2: of a couple. Actually, So, what if they had a

25:24 Speaker 2: hand in our creation? And that's the big secret they

25:26 Speaker 2: don't want out because are we ready to really meet

25:28 Speaker 2: our creator?

25:30 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's it's definitely a facet to the conversation,

25:33 Speaker 1: that's no doubt about it. Because you know, one of

25:35 Speaker 1: the things I always talk about when it comes to

25:38 Speaker 1: why the secrecy why do we continue to not dispose us?

25:42 Speaker 4: Would be religion.

25:44 Speaker 1: And if you have a facet to this that says

25:50 Speaker 1: these beings helped to create us or created us their

25:56 Speaker 1: God like whatever that.

25:57 Speaker 4: Might be, that would be real damaging to society. Now,

26:03 Speaker 4: personal belief, I don't believe that.

26:06 Speaker 1: I do believe that there could have been an intervention,

26:10 Speaker 1: Like I think you can have both. Just again, personal belief.

26:13 Speaker 1: I think you could say that God created man in

26:16 Speaker 1: the universe and whatever else is in the universe, and

26:20 Speaker 1: you could also say that some of his creation had

26:24 Speaker 1: a hand in manipulating his creation, the same way we manipulate.

26:28 Speaker 2: Animals or crisper, you know, yeah, I mean these all

26:32 Speaker 2: these new ideas the same way where God to what

26:36 Speaker 2: we assume will be general artificial intelligence exactly right, why

26:40 Speaker 2: we created it?

26:41 Speaker 3: And what if that is our purpose?

26:43 Speaker 2: You know, because like you look at every other animal

26:45 Speaker 2: or be it, you know, insect or just being on

26:51 Speaker 2: this planet, and it seems to have a function in

26:53 Speaker 2: the ecosystem. Humans really don't. They take more than they

26:58 Speaker 2: give to the planet, and we we seem to serve

27:02 Speaker 2: no function except our own, right, And what if our

27:05 Speaker 2: function is then edited to create and to want to

27:10 Speaker 2: innovate and to keep creating and to not be satisfied

27:13 Speaker 2: ever and want that want and want, and that ultimately

27:16 Speaker 2: always leads to artificial intelligence and creating the next form

27:20 Speaker 2: of life. I mean, do you think it's hard because

27:25 Speaker 2: you I don't.

27:26 Speaker 3: You don't want to isolate anyone religiously. But what if

27:32 Speaker 3: what if?

27:33 Speaker 2: I mean, what if God is is just? What if

27:37 Speaker 2: God is everything? What if everything is God? I mean

27:42 Speaker 2: a reason study came out and said that every atom

27:44 Speaker 2: is conscious?

27:45 Speaker 3: What is consciousness?

27:46 Speaker 1: Right?

27:46 Speaker 3: Right? All these questions they fascinate me. So and I

27:49 Speaker 3: know it's a lot of I just hate you with

27:51 Speaker 3: a lot.

27:52 Speaker 2: But I I I really do think that they might

27:58 Speaker 2: have had a hand in our development because there's a

28:02 Speaker 2: lot of things that would it would explain being explained,

28:05 Speaker 2: the jump in our intelligence. There's that the period where

28:09 Speaker 2: our brain doubles cosmically overnight.

28:13 Speaker 3: We went out against.

28:14 Speaker 2: The Neanderthal, which is bigger, faster, stronger, and more equipped

28:19 Speaker 2: to live in a world like it. We shed our pelts,

28:23 Speaker 2: I mean, we shed our fur only to need pelts

28:25 Speaker 2: in the winter.

28:27 Speaker 3: It's just all these questions. That's what gets me up

28:30 Speaker 3: in the morning.

28:31 Speaker 4: Yeah, and it does. The theory makes sense. Now, can

28:34 Speaker 4: we say it's true? We have no idea.

28:36 Speaker 3: The sun burns us. The very thing that gives us

28:40 Speaker 3: life burns us.

28:42 Speaker 2: It doesn't burn anything else except California.

28:46 Speaker 1: Right, But are we talking about a theory of you know,

28:54 Speaker 1: like the movie Prometheus.

28:56 Speaker 4: You know that that has.

28:59 Speaker 1: Always made to me again, if you want to, you know,

29:03 Speaker 1: subscribe to God created all of these things, which I do.

29:07 Speaker 4: Then pay God created tigers and created bodings, may created

29:10 Speaker 4: a like right, you know what I mean. So it's

29:12 Speaker 4: very possible that if there's other creation out there.

29:15 Speaker 3: That are playing that role of what we did with

29:18 Speaker 3: that exactly. So that's a very interesting notion notion.

29:23 Speaker 2: I really, I really want to say thank you for

29:26 Speaker 2: for sitting down with me, and I know, you know,

29:29 Speaker 2: taking time out of your schedule is we're all very

29:32 Speaker 2: busy here, but you're.

29:34 Speaker 3: Always a pleasure to talk to you. I really, I

29:36 Speaker 3: really cannot wait to see. So what is it?

29:39 Speaker 2: So? How can people where can people watch this series

29:43 Speaker 2: when it comes out?

29:44 Speaker 3: And how can people find you if they don't know already?

29:46 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gonna be so it's gonna be up Investigates.

29:49 Speaker 1: So it's going to be an offshoot of UAP. You'll

29:52 Speaker 1: be able to It's gonna be.

29:54 Speaker 4: Kind of weird. It's going to have it's a separate

29:56 Speaker 4: feed but also be connected to U A P. So yeah,

30:00 Speaker 4: i'll have you know, I'll alright.

30:01 Speaker 1: Details there, but it's gonna come soon. And like I said,

30:04 Speaker 1: ten episode season, I hope to be able to do

30:07 Speaker 1: the second season on a different subject, possibly something we

30:10 Speaker 1: were just talking about actually speaking of theologians and things

30:13 Speaker 1: like that.

30:14 Speaker 4: That's camp and lute.

30:17 Speaker 3: Oh.

30:18 Speaker 1: But as far as this first season, Hi and almost

30:20 Speaker 1: health instances. We spoken to Jason Sands, louebl Zondo is

30:26 Speaker 1: a part of it. Linda Thompson, who some people might know.

30:31 Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, she's a wealth of knowledge. Yeah, wait until

30:35 Speaker 2: from a research standpoint or from like an experience or experience.

30:39 Speaker 1: It got to a point where she actually said to

30:41 Speaker 1: me we recorded a few weeks ago, and she's like,

30:45 Speaker 1: I can't talk about that.

30:47 Speaker 4: I said, really, it's like, yeah, I don't. I don't

30:49 Speaker 4: want to talk about that.

30:50 Speaker 1: And I got it got to the point where and

30:53 Speaker 1: I haven't told anybody this yet. Actually, after I was done,

30:56 Speaker 1: my wife text me, she's like, oh, how did your

30:58 Speaker 1: interview go? I was like, I don't even know how

31:01 Speaker 1: to explain it. I'm like sitting here, I'm like I

31:03 Speaker 1: need a break to outside and walk around for like

31:05 Speaker 1: ten fifteen minutes, so she's a part of it. There's

31:08 Speaker 1: there's a lot of people in this who have been

31:09 Speaker 1: able to speak to Jeff Lusa Telly, who's.

31:11 Speaker 3: Kind I just I literally just talked to him today.

31:15 Speaker 1: Great guy. He had the red Cube incidents at Vandenberg.

31:18 Speaker 4: Airport, base them on to talk about it. Yeah, and

31:21 Speaker 4: he has.

31:22 Speaker 1: His own personal story of an orbit counter and friends

31:25 Speaker 1: who have encounters like him.

31:27 Speaker 4: So it all connects. It's all gonna be within the

31:30 Speaker 4: ten episodes.

31:31 Speaker 1: Like I mentioned mister Jay, who is the inspiration to

31:33 Speaker 1: even do this this subject to begin with. So there's

31:37 Speaker 1: a lot of incredible detail and stories and it all

31:41 Speaker 1: comes together. You gotta hear some familiar names and some

31:45 Speaker 1: familiar details.

31:46 Speaker 4: Mixed in with new names and new details.

31:49 Speaker 2: Great, he investigates, Well, I'll put a little I'll put

31:51 Speaker 2: a link or QR code right here for anyone and

31:55 Speaker 2: we'll bring you right to his page.

31:57 Speaker 3: Steve, thank you so much for doing this.

31:59 Speaker 4: Next tell I really enjoyed this.

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