Inside the Mind of HARVARD ATTORNEY DANNY SHEEHAN-"5 Different ALIEN Civilizations Visiting Earth"-TDP

0:06 Welcome back to Total Disclosure. Everybody. My name is Tyler and I'm the

0:10 host and creator of the program. Today is our season finale episode. We

0:18 have the wonderful and amazing attorney, one of a kind, absolute legend in

0:24 the field, Daniel Sheen, and we are about to have an amazing conversation.

0:31 But before we do that, because it is the season finale, I'm

0:35 going to be taking a break. Season finale is kind of a loose word.

0:39 I guess it's really I'm just taking a month and a half ish break.

0:43 Episodes will come out, but they're going to be omnibus episodes, so

0:47 we won't really be missing any weeks, but some of them will be omnibus

0:51 episodes. And since it's season finale, I thought that we should do a

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1:49 So we've already made the box out to somebody, put a little UFO

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2:04 and we'll be giving away both of those to two people first place, and

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2:13 But before we get Danny in here, I just want to talk a

2:16 little bit about him. So Danny is a constitutional and public interest lawyer.

2:22 He's a public speaker, he's a political activist and educator. Now. Shean

2:25 grew up in New York, Lawrensburg, New York. He attended Northeastern which

2:30 is here in Boston, before transferring to Harvard here in Boston in Cambridge,

2:36 and he graduated in nineteen sixty seven. He attended Harvard Law School, graduating

2:42 in nineteen seventy with a jurist doctor's degree. He was briefly a member of

2:46 the Army ROTC, but resigned. Over his career, Shean's been embarking on

2:53 the biggest and baddest cases. There are the Pentagon Papers, Silk Wood case,

3:00 the Greensboro masker, the La Penske bombings. Just uh, you know,

3:05 he worked on some of the JFK stuff. Uh. He's now involved

3:08 in the UFO world. He represented Louel Azando. UH. He represented uh

3:14 doctor Greer in the Disclosure Project. He has been main counsel for the Disclosure

3:20 Project. So he's seen, heard, and done so much work. And

3:24 as of recently with the new Paradigm Institute in the Romero Institute, he is

3:30 paving the way for a new reality. Give it Up for our season finale

3:36 guest mister Danny. She Danny, welcome to the show. True. Thank

3:51 you, Tim, It's a pleasure to be here. I'm really you you

3:54 know. I said this to you before, and I mean it in no

3:59 joking way. You are among the people that i've you know, when I

4:04 make my top ten lists of people in the field that i'd like to speak

4:10 with. You're always on that top ten list, so I really want to

4:15 just start. I know this is something that you've probably done a million times,

4:18 but for everybody who may not know who you are by now, can

4:24 you give us a background and start by telling us a bit about your background

4:28 how you became involved in legal cases related to both major historical events and UFOs

4:33 and the paranormal, et cetera. Sure, there's two sort of parallel tracks

4:41 time to this that it all started basically when I was at Harvard Law School

4:46 and we began the Harvard Civil Rights LARVA back in nineteen sixty eight, and

4:51 I have initiated a case. One of the things I maintained that the Harvard

4:57 Civil Rights Law Review when we created it was that it to doing just scholarly

5:00 articles. We sent out letters to lawyers all around the country saying if they

5:05 had any really challenging and interesting constitutional law questions, to please forward them to

5:11 our Law Review, and we could gather lots of little eager beavers at Harvard

5:16 Law School and work on these projects. And we actually initiated the case from

5:23 the Harvard Civil Rights lar Review that ended up establishing the right of journalists to

5:27 protect their confidential news sources. And then we went all the way to the

5:30 United States Supreme Court that case that we initiated off the law review. So

5:36 the law firm on Wall Street that represents NBC News came to the law school

5:43 and recruited me because I was the one that had actually initiated the case out

5:48 of our review and I was the one that did all the briefs, and

5:51 so I got recruited by the number one corporate litigation law firm in the world

5:57 at the time on Wall Street. Cahill Gordon signed up Vine, Dell and

6:00 Ole, and I went down to New York right out of Harvard Law School

6:04 and was preparing the briefs not only for the NBC, which was the journalists

6:10 that we were representing, but also for ABC and CBS, and also for

6:15 the New York Times and the Washington Post that were filing amicus briefs. And

6:20 so the bottom line is I got to meet Jim Goddell, who was the

6:24 general counsel for the New York Times, and so that after we won that

6:28 case at the United States Supreme Court level, when the New York Times got

6:35 the Pentagon papers they called us. Actually, I was the one that received

6:42 the call from Jim Goodell to help them deal with the Pentagon Papers. So

6:46 we did the Pentagon Papers case at the k Hill Firm took the New York

6:53 Times account away from Lord, Day and Lord, which was the law firm

6:56 that traditionally represented the New York Times, but they had refused to protect them

7:01 in publishing the Pentagon Papers. In fact, threatened to turn them into the

7:05 FBI if they didn't give them back. So why would they do that?

7:10 Right in the midst of that kind of extraordinarily interesting historical event where we ended

7:15 up getting possession of forty seven volumes of top secret Pentagon report prepared by the

7:21 Rand Corporation, and I was one of the few people, I guess alive

7:26 that's read all forty seven volumes of the Pentagon so that we put together the

7:32 articles to publish in the New York Times. And because of that, I

7:36 ended up establishing a pretty good relationship with investigative journalists. Because we had done

7:43 that original case, and because I became familiar with the details of the Pentagon

7:47 Papers, I began to get an inside look at the national security state that

7:54 was functioning here. In the United States, and I realized that there was

7:59 this dark size to American foreign policy and what it is that they were doing

8:03 in secret that had to do with political assassination programs, heroin smuggling, you

8:09 know, illegal weapons shipments all over the world. I discovered all of these

8:13 things, and then I got recruited out of the Khill firm to when the

8:18 Watergate burglary took place. I got recruited by F. D. Bailey,

8:22 the attorney who represents reptender James McCord, who was the CIA wire tapping specialist

8:28 that got arrested in the Watergate hotel, and I was put in charge of

8:31 trying to figure out why these people were in the Watergate hotel and what they

8:35 were doing, and ended up James McCord is the one that wrote the letter

8:43 to Judge Serrica blowing the whistle on Richard Nixon, right and the Reshunit.

8:48 So I ended up being in this kind of extraordinary set of circumstances right out

8:52 of Harvard Law School at a super at But I ended up I didn't want

8:58 to stay at Bailey's law firm because I realized that the reason that he knew

9:03 what was going on in the Wargate Hotel is because he was on the short

9:07 list of lawyers to represent CIA people who got caught engaged in covert operations stateside.

9:13 And I didn't want to have anything to do with that, and so

9:16 I left and I went back to Harvard. I graduated from Harvard College in

9:20 sixty seven. You know where I studied. I live in Boston. Oh

9:28 yeah, so you know. So the bottom line is I ended up going

9:33 back to Harvard to do a master's degree in comparative social ethics, trying to

9:39 understand why it is that I was functioning on kind of a different wavelength from

9:43 both the law firm where I was and with Bailey's office. The bottom line

9:46 is I ended up getting recruited out of the out of the Harvard Divinity School

9:52 where I was studying, compared to social ethics, I got recruited to become

9:56 legal counsel at the United States Jesuit headquarters that the Jesuit Order in their Social

10:01 Ministry Office, which is their major public policy office, And it was there

10:05 that I was doing. I was the one in charge of drafting public policy

10:11 positions for the largest order in the Catholic Church and the Jesuit order, and

10:16 we had organized a coalition of the top fifty four major religious denominations in the

10:20 United States to organize a major task force in Washington, DC to do public

10:28 policy discussions to try to counter the extreme right wing Christian fundamentalists kind of Christian

10:35 nationalist operations that were going on, to have kind of a progressive, a

10:39 spiritually oriented worldview be reflected in some of the policies. And it was in

10:45 that context that we got to meet Carter, Jimmy Carter, when he was

10:50 running for the presidency in nineteen seventy six. We brought him in to meet

10:56 with all fifty four of the major leaders of the national organist religious organizations,

11:01 and we got him to agree in that meeting that if he were elected,

11:05 that he would in fact issue an executive order cutting off all military funding from

11:11 the United States to any foreign dictator that was systematically involved in violating the human

11:16 rights of his own citizens. And after he did get elected successfully, we

11:22 pressured him and he did cut off the military funding to Anastasio Somosa in Nicaragua,

11:26 and he cut off the military funding to the Shaw of Iran, and

11:31 so both of those governments fell because of their lack of military support from the

11:35 US, and it was there when President when he got elected. As I

11:41 mentioned, the first thing that Jimmy Carter did was he contacted the head of

11:46 the Central Intelligence Agency and demanded that he get briefed in on the UFO issue.

11:52 And that was George H at the time, George and he was the

11:58 head of the CIA under a President Jerald Ford, who took over when Nixon

12:03 was forced to resign over the Watergate scandal. So the bottom line is that

12:09 I was there when President Carter demanded to get briefed in on the UFO issue,

12:15 and the head of the Central Intelligence Agency, George Bush Senior, refused

12:18 to brief in, saying that he had no need to know. And so

12:22 what happened is is President Carter then asked the Congress to investigate this, the

12:31 whole issue of UFOs and what potential connection they might have to any extraterrestrial civilization.

12:39 And I was contacted by the Congressional Research Service Science and Technology Division,

12:43 doctor Marshall Smith, and she asked me to become special counsel to that investigation

12:52 for no great cosmic reason, but she just wanted to know whether, as

12:56 legal counsel of the Jesuit National Headquarters in their social policy offer, whether I

13:01 might be able to get access to the Vatican Archives to determine what information they

13:05 might have they could supplement whatever it is our Congressional Research Service people had.

13:11 That was the way that I got involved professionally with the UFO issue, and

13:15 so as of January of nineteen seventy seven, I ended up being able to

13:20 get access to the classified portions of Project blue Book. This is the over

13:24 seven hundred cases that Project blue Book was not able to even preposterously try to

13:33 explain away. Were these the ones that j Allen Heineck was not getting or

13:41 he was getting those? But what they were doing is every time they had

13:46 a sighting, it was totally impossible to explain away. Where you had dozens

13:50 of highly credible witnesses, We've seen it, they had photographs of them,

13:54 that they had radar sightings and everything. Things that they couldn't explain away.

14:01 They kind of shoveled off into this category of special cases. And there were

14:05 seven hundred of them, and they put them into a classified portion of the

14:09 Project blue Book. And I had asked to be able to get access to

14:13 those as special counsel to the investigation we were doing, and so I ended

14:20 up getting to see actual photographs of active crash retrievals UFO crash retrieval photographs,

14:28 and so when I saw them, I realized what was really going on.

14:33 So we went to the National Council Churches out of Jesuit headquarters and tried to

14:37 get the fifty four major religious denominations here in the United States to set up

14:43 a special task force to try to get out ahead of this issue to really

14:48 formulate policy to deal with an extraterrestrial civilization before it kind of fell upon us,

14:56 and that they just declined to do it at that time in nineteen seven,

15:00 but I had become convinced that it was true from my having seen the

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16:36 the screen. So I began an investigation to determine what it is that was

16:42 really going on, and because of that, I ended up getting retained by

16:48 doctor John mackn Mack at Harvard, who had written a book basically about a

16:56 number of his major interviews with high ranking military officials, enforcement officers, others

17:02 who had had these direct close encounters with UFOs Uh. And he had he

17:07 had attempted to write an article for the New England Journal of Medicine about this

17:12 extraordinary group of people who who you know, certainly was no career builder inside

17:18 the military to report that you'd encountered a UFO. But but the bottom line

17:25 is I ended up representing doctor John Mack in his confrontation with the Harvard faculty

17:30 that occurred in nineteen ninety four. And in that context, I got introduced

17:36 to basically all of the major pulp players in the whole field of UFO studies.

17:41 UH. And I got to meet Bud Hopkins, I got to meet,

17:45 you know, virtually everybody, you know, Dave Jacobs, I got

17:48 to got to meet Santon Friedman, I got to meet, you know,

17:55 all the all the people that were involved in Lynnamolton Howe and See and Career

18:00 and you know, and all of the rest of the people. And so

18:03 I started because I was preparing witnesses to present at Harvard University, UH in

18:08 kind of a grand rounds to this special faculty committee that got put together to

18:15 basically excoriate doctor John for his written book. They thought that this was actually,

18:21 you know, undermining the credibility of Harvard University. They have one of

18:25 their major the chairman of their political psychiatry department, be talking publicly about it.

18:32 And so that the bottom line is I ended up getting to meet everybody

18:36 and interview everybody, and and became legal counsel for the Project for Extraordinary Experience

18:41 Research, and I got fully involved professionally in this. And not only were

18:47 you getting to talk to people like Stan Freeman and uh, you know everybody,

18:53 Jacques Vla again, Stevens, you know all of them, but you

18:59 again to speak them to them as an as a capacity as an attorney.

19:04 So there's a different aspect there. And with the compelling evidence you know that

19:12 you've seen, I mean you're a secondhand witness to a degree yourself. I

19:21 mean you've seen what what you deem as absolutely credible evidence that there are crash

19:26 retrieval programs. And I know that you've been involved with people like louel Zondo

19:32 and the Disclosure project with doctor Greer. I don't I think you've covered enough

19:38 of that where we don't have to dive too much deeper into it. If

19:42 I hear one more person ask you when Lou's book is coming out, I'm

19:47 going to roll my head. It'll come out when it comes out. Everybody,

19:52 It'll come out when it comes out. But I do want to talk

19:56 to you about some of the things that you've disc about, say the galactic

20:04 is there such thing? It was a Reddit question that was actually submitted,

20:10 and I wanted to read a couple of them because there were some of them

20:15 are really really good. So we'll start with We'll start with this one by

20:19 surgeon of Neel four one nine. And if you could prioritize the phenomena down

20:26 to three main facts, what would they be? Well that I guess the

20:33 most important fundamental fact is that that we have now just recently, our human

20:40 scientific community, just in the last twenty years, basically have finally come to

20:45 acknowledge that planets actually exist outside of our solar system. That's a that's a

20:52 huge rubicon that they've crossed. Now. They would never acknowledge that they were

20:57 being dominated by the scientific logical, positivist materialist worldview, and until they actually

21:04 saw them and could actually basically photograph them and a deal, they weren't willing

21:10 to acknowledge that even existed. So that's an extraordinarily important thing that's happened in

21:15 just the last twenty five years or so. Secondly, they've now come to

21:19 realize that there are vastly more stars in our Milky Way galaxy than they had

21:26 thought, and that there are vastly more galaxies in our universe than they had

21:33 previously thought. And this is now because of the Hubble, the Plank telescope,

21:40 and more especially the change the Web telescope is up now, and so

21:44 that you're starting to get acknowledgements that it's absolutely impossible, it's ridiculous for people

21:52 to continue to insist that the likelihood of life elsewhere in the universe is is

22:00 problematic, and so that those those two sets of things are extraordinarily important,

22:04 and now that very importantly. Thirdly, you have extraordinarily high level level of

22:12 military officials, intelligence officials inside the United States government that are coming forward and

22:19 they're providing first hand and secondhand direct information about the existence of a long standing

22:27 crash retrieval UFO crash retrieval program that has been going on now for decades,

22:33 and the assertion that they have actually recovered more than one extraterrestrial non human origin

22:42 spacecraft and that they've recovered bodies in connection with these spacecraft that they've tested and

22:51 have determined that they are non human occupants of these spacecraft. Now that's a

22:57 it should be a headline in the front page are Times. But the bottom

23:03 line is because there's been such an aggressive program that has been mounted by an

23:10 element deep within the national security state of our country to keep this secret,

23:15 and they've mounted this aggressive campaign to embarrass, attack, undermined, ridicule anybody

23:23 who would suggest that this is true. That it's still difficult to get a

23:29 lot of the mainline institutions to come forward and fully acknowledge that this is what's

23:33 happening. But this is where we are now that it's absolutely obvious now that

23:38 not only has our government an element deep within the national security state been actively

23:45 involved in attempting to retrieve UFOs if they fall down from the sky, but

23:51 there appears to be evidence growing evidence that there's been an active campaign to try

23:56 to bring them down so that they can get their hand on them because they

24:00 want to get a hold of the technology that So do you do you do

24:07 you really quickly, just a side note, really quickly, do you believe

24:11 that they are using some form of direct energy weapon to possibly bring these down?

24:17 It's I have to be extremely careful here, because I don't want to

24:21 speculate about this that there's growing there's growing indications that need to be pursued to

24:29 determine whether or not we've crossed that line where rather than just retrieving them,

24:36 if for some happenstance that they haven't crash, if if they are engaged in

24:41 kind of a more aggressive program to try to bring these things down. That's

24:45 that that is such extraordinary additional importance that I need to be extremely careful about

24:49 asserting things until we get more evidence on that. Absolutely, and and and

24:56 that completely makes sense. So yeah, definitely finish up with what you were

25:03 saying. I'm sorry, well direct well, okay, so directed energy weapons

25:10 are I think just they're becoming more in the vernacular. And you know,

25:15 I know you can't say it, but even things like Havana syndrome have been

25:19 now talked about in uh, you know, in the National Security Council,

25:26 and there there's a little bit you know, doctor Gary Nolan's work. I'm

25:30 sure you've talked to him. There is It's it's something that we are growing

25:37 turning our attention to as society, I hope, and I think it's coming

25:42 with the UFO phenomenon as a package deal. But I want to talk to

25:47 you about uh you you you speak about these non human intelligence various five specifically

25:56 with very much conviction. Is there a degree of some sort of galactic federation?

26:06 Sorry a car alarm which just going off? But do you know,

26:12 do you know if there's any coordinated coordination between these five races and that is

26:19 one is dominant and YadA, YadA, YadA, because I think you talked

26:23 about that well, it's extremely interesting question. I know, ty that based

26:29 upon some of my direct, face to face interviews with people who I find

26:33 to be extraordinarily credible, and that I would be convinced that if I were

26:38 to present them in front of a jury, which is what I do,

26:42 you know, and have done over the last fifty years. You know,

26:45 I've done trials in or twenty three different states, you know, in dealing

26:49 with other dimensions of legal issues, you know, all the way from the

26:53 wounded, the occupation to you know, Iran Contra and Karen Sopacas and other

27:00 that people know about. And I know that if I select witnesses whom I'm

27:06 convinced if I placed them in front of a jury and subjected them to direct

27:11 examination and exposed them to any thorough going cross examination that anyone might be able

27:17 to mount against them, that they would convince a jury that they were telling

27:21 the truth, and that they have given me accounts of for example, Barbara

27:27 Lamb, who is an extraordinarily credible personally young woman who's like just now ninety

27:34 years old, who has been interviewing people who have hold sinecere beliefs that they've

27:41 had encounters, face to face encounters with the UFOs and the occupants and have

27:48 described them to her in some detail, and she actually recounted to me that

27:55 she's we are now in possession of audio recordings of her inner years of these

28:00 people. She has now left these with us at the New Paradigm Institute so

28:04 that we can protect these things for the future. So we've been able to

28:08 hear the detailed descriptions of people of having faced to face encounters with the beings.

28:15 And Barbara Lamb herself has told me the story that she was after years

28:22 and years of interviewing all these people, she had never actually had a direct

28:26 encounter with the UFO or any extraterrestrial beings, and so that she was kind

28:30 of longing to get to have such an experience. And one afternoon she came

28:37 into her house or apartment from being out in the garden, and here was

28:41 a UFO person standing right in the middle of her living room. It was

28:45 a reptilian like over six feet tall, almost seven feet tall, you know,

28:52 extraordinarily benign, very very friendly and positive being, just a telepathic The

29:00 communicated to her, Look, you had always wanted to confirm that we were

29:03 real, and so we wanted to make sure that you were affirmed. Is

29:08 your knowledge of it? And she's over there and told me the story,

29:12 you know, and describe the described the being. And it wasn't a question.

29:17 This wasn't a person, This wasn't a human being. This was a

29:21 humanoid reptilian almost to sixty seven feet tall, totally benign, and she described

29:30 the being to me. And another another interview with a fellow who was on

29:37 his deathbed, Ellen Stein, Elbert Stein, whose name was He was a

29:42 clerk typist for Project blue Book for decades and he ended up actually going with

29:49 his commander of Project blue Book the top secret portion of the Project blue Book

29:53 two s four and was actually present during an interview of a live et and

30:00 this was a this was a you know, again between five five feet five

30:06 and a half feet tall. They had them in a blue like a jump

30:10 suit. Uh. So they're obviously recording this well this what I what I

30:15 was saying is that it was in addition to this one particular interview, that

30:21 they had index cards with notes being taken of interviews, a series of interviews

30:27 with this being uh and had notes that were being taken. And so all

30:33 I've said is that in light of the fact that they're clearly doing interviews of

30:36 this being as four, it's completely unimaginable that they wouldn't have recorded them,

30:41 you know, and filmed some of these. Now the particular there's a couple

30:47 of different videos that have been running around of people saying, you know,

30:52 here's a live interview of these. I have not yet confirmed that those are

30:56 real, but I do know from my interview of Albert Uh that that I

31:03 find him to be extraordinarly in credible. He was on his deathbed literally,

31:06 you know, he called me and wanted to convey this information to me before

31:10 he died, and so, and he described the this is a tall,

31:15 bald, large head, you know, the large eyes, the classic tall

31:19 gray gray. So so we know that those are two first hand accounts that

31:25 I have and the and I say, and I've interviewed many many people as

31:30 legal counsel for the Project for Extraordinary Experience Research, you know, have given

31:33 detailed descriptions, uh and uh. For example, one of the one of

31:37 the other one of the other people, Melinda Leslie, who had with one

31:45 of the what they call insectoids. This the the the mantis people. You

31:51 know, we're like almost seven feet tall, very very tall, very very

31:55 skinny, very thin, uh, and that they remind people almost of like

31:59 the praying mantis. Uh. That this is a third a third type.

32:02 And then there of course myriad stories from very credible people about the little tiny,

32:07 short three and a half feet tall grays, that they look just like

32:13 the tall grays, the same eyes, et cetera. You know, So

32:17 that so that you have the you know, the short grays, the tall

32:21 grays, you have the reptilians, and you have the the mantis people.

32:27 Now and then there's this whole array of stories. Billy Meyer being one of

32:31 the major promoters of these, but there's lots of other people who given these

32:37 accounts of encountering beings that look just like us. That and they consistently report

32:45 these beings having come from the Pleiades, the constellation of the Seven Sisters,

32:50 the Pleiades. They come from one of the star systems there and that.

32:53 And all I'm saying is that that that one is so uh it can if

32:58 you can imagine, it's harder believes, right, because that means that these

33:04 are like humans. These are like human beings. They look just exactly like

33:08 us, you know, except that they have larger ear lobes apparently, and

33:13 other things. But but this is a fifth particular species which is not a

33:19 non human species, but these others are non human and so that we have

33:24 a detailed accounts of these and that what we're doing at the New Paradigm Institute

33:29 is investigating all of this, trying to figure out, you know, how

33:32 to establish the information so that regular people who are just coming into contact with

33:37 this whole field can have credible information and knowledge about these things. And that

33:45 So that's one of the other areas of the many, Like we have eight

33:47 different major areas that the New Paradigm Institute is working on. You know,

33:52 we're we're working on the legislation. We've been deeply involved in working with the

33:57 legislation that's been passed by the United States and we're recently by the House a

34:01 smaller version of it. We're working on having a second iteration of the Schumer

34:07 Rounds Bill drafted in the United States Senate. You know, we're working on

34:13 the legislation now to have much much muscled up witness protection uh a U f

34:20 O U A P witness protection legislation, right. You know. We're also

34:24 we'll be representing individual whistleblowers uh to bring them forward to testify in front of

34:30 Congress and other places, you know. And we're working on trying to design

34:35 an entire new paradigm integrate the reality of this information into our human world views,

34:43 so that we can help help the institutions of our of our world religious

34:47 institutions, political institutions, economic institutions, social cultural institutions integrate this kind of

34:54 extraordinary new reality. Uh. And so we've set up an entire institute to

35:00 do this in Washington, d C. We're virtually the only civilian or non

35:06 government group uh inside the federal enclave right on Capitol Hill. Uh. You

35:12 know, our offices are immediately next door to the United States Supreme Court,

35:15 UH, and the United States Senate building that houses the Senate Intelligence Committee.

35:21 Uh. You know, so we can walk right out our door in uh

35:23 and meet with the Senate staff and the House staff. So we're definitely Yeah.

35:29 So that that that allows you that to that that that networking and that

35:32 you know, it kind of affords you heard challenges uh and all that.

35:42 And I did want to ask you, so there's somebody came out recently,

35:46 uh And I wasn't going to ask this, but you brought up whistleblowers and

35:53 have you I just can you can you answer this with just a yes or

35:58 no? Do you know who Jason Sands is? And have you spoken to

36:01 him? Yeah? I should I shouldn't really be discussing anymore. Yeah,

36:07 okay, is that something that often we made some references, but it's not

36:12 appropriate for us to talk about, you know, which whistleblowers were talking to

36:15 until they've become public and we've officially represented them. Okay, Yeah, because

36:21 uh, it's something that just you know, came out recently in a really

36:27 weird way, and uh, you know, just kind of looking for some

36:30 clarification on it, because you know, we I I am definitely on the

36:37 side of a controlled disclosure, And I think what you're doing with the deep

36:43 with with this, I mean, maybe it wasn't always going to pass the

36:46 first time. Maybe we always kind of knew that, uh, but that

36:52 that was never going to not be something that was going to come up again

36:57 and again and again, because you know, once it was introduced, it's

37:00 introduced, and you have people like yourself backing the fight and organizing citizens all

37:07 around the world, and I think it's absolutely amazing what you're doing. So

37:15 with that being said, you know, how do you think that the how

37:22 do you think that religion ties into the phenomena and how people because you talk

37:29 about a chaos catastrophic disclosure, and you know, a possible event that could

37:37 occur that we have no control over and causes a catastrophic disclosure, Now do

37:45 you think religion would have a part to play in that? Very much so

37:49 the people, you know, without being patronizing about the law, you know,

37:55 I mean, the fact is that ninety nine percent of the people don't

38:00 really have a clear understanding of what religion is really all about. Uh,

38:05 you know, it's it's a whole kind of uh collection of mythology and fantasy

38:09 and fiction and and and but very important dimensions of reality. But the Latin

38:16 root for religion religari, means to relink, relink uh. And in the

38:22 the that's what's happened is when as uh, the intellect has evolved intellectus,

38:30 the Latin root of which is to be able to distinguish the difference between the

38:34 evolution of the intellect in our human species has caused us to separate ourselves out

38:40 from the rest of reality that we have We have seen ourselves in dialectical relationship

38:47 with other aspects of reality. The intellect the ability to distinguish the difference between

38:53 and to make rational connections between particular points. But the flip side of the

39:00 evolution of the intellect has been this, this kind of onset of an extraordinary

39:06 experience of alienation on the part of our our sense of our self from the

39:12 rest of reality. Religion is to relink us back to an integrated experiential encounter

39:22 with all the rest of reality and uh. And that's what the major religious

39:29 institutions have not in fact shared systematically shared with the regular lay people, what

39:36 we really understand about our human family, the kind of capacities that we have

39:40 the the abilities that we have the access to extraordinary faculties that we have of

39:49 of for example, uh telepathy, telepathic communication, UH, psychic abilities,

39:58 Uh, the teleportation. You know, there's all kinds of you know,

40:04 astral travel. There's all kinds of extraordinary capacities that are referred to and even

40:08 in Christian traditions as the talents. In the Eastern religions, they're referred to

40:15 as sida, you know, the ability to levitate, for example, the

40:20 ability to transmute matter. There are these capacities that our human species has that

40:27 have been kept secret basically by a lot of the major religious institutions. Is

40:31 going to be extraordinarily important that they come forward and start to disclose themselves knowledge

40:38 that they have about the capacities of our human family, so that we cannot

40:44 feel so completely estranged from some of the faculties that are displayed by some of

40:49 the extraterrestrial beings. You know that when extraterrestrial beings come and levitate and lift

40:54 people up out of their beds and carry them up through the walls of their

40:59 home into thefo that people are flabbergacid, and they tend to start thinking of

41:04 these beings that well, they must be some kind of spiritual beings, they

41:07 must be kind of angels. There's this whole category that people have for those

41:13 kind of capacities that are fundamentally separate and distinct from our human capacities, and

41:17 that's just simply not true. And so that I think that the whole realm

41:24 of religion. For example, the Catholic Church has issued an official statement as

41:30 of November tenth of two thousand and nine stating that in light of the discovery

41:37 of more and more of these new exo planets, it's now become clear that

41:42 much earlier than had previously been anticipated, we are going to discover that there's

41:47 life, intelligent life, or they said, life elsewhere in the universe.

41:52 And therefore the time is a rock rye for us to begin a serious conversation

41:58 of the profound philosophical and theological implications in questions that are opposed to our human

42:04 family by the discovery of life elsewhere in the universe. All this is completely

42:07 true, and that this has to do with our place in the universe,

42:12 how we fit into the cosmic scheme of things. Uh. And these are

42:15 these are extraordinarily important conversations that we need to start having now before we are

42:22 kind of confronted by the existence of an extraterrestrial civilization that is that we're not

42:29 prepared for. That's that's the process our institute is engaged in working on that,

42:35 right And do you think that do you Now? A lot of people

42:37 are citing that eminent domain would be the main component that keeps this thing not

42:49 passable in its full full capacity, People like Brandon Fugel who own places like

42:55 Skinwalk a ranch, Jacques prol At who owns very as samples, Gary Nolan,

43:02 Right, so you know they're worried about where does the lion and the

43:07 sand, you know, because the you know, the government would would you

43:12 know, have control over it if they if they absolutely want to do,

43:15 and they would be able to control what the fair fair market value is based

43:21 on the based on that, So what what are the how do we navigate

43:28 this and make it so that we meet halfway? If I don't, I

43:34 don't think halfway is a good a good idea, you know, I mean

43:37 that it's it's like saying, you know, we kidnapped three of your children.

43:42 You know you can have one of them back. You know that that's

43:45 not where we're going, you know, on this thing, it's got to

43:47 be all or nothing. This is not, uh, the the access to

43:52 knowledge that there exists an entire extraterrestrial civilization, sentient, highly intelligent, and

44:00 highly technologically developed civilization of non human beings and that they're coming and going from

44:06 our planet is not a piece of information that anybody has the right to seize

44:12 and claim and keep secret from everybody else and then try to exploit it to

44:16 make a personal profit for themselves. Like what we're going to copyright the fact

44:22 that we know that there's an extraterrestrial civilization and anybody, anybody who's going to

44:27 try to utilize the information or get access to the information has to pay for

44:30 that. That's like selling stars. That's rights. So that in the bottom

44:38 line is that it's true that a major source of the resistance in our real

44:45 world as the way that they deal with giving campaign contributions to people and threatening

44:50 to withhold the campaign contributions. The private aerospace corporations A Lackey, Martin,

44:55 Radious Technology and some others who actually have gotten access to or are attempting to

45:02 get access to some of this technology from the UFOs so that they can patent

45:07 it and own it, and that they can you know, own it,

45:12 the shareholders can own it into the future, so that anybody who wants to

45:15 get access to the information has to pay them. They have a very high

45:22 motive to try to keep this secret. Now that's one whole element, but

45:28 it's a very effective element, and very importantly. They have untourd amounts of

45:34 influence on you know, Michael Turner, for example, who is the Chairman

45:37 of the House Intelligence Committee, and they have extraordinary influence over over Michael Roberts,

45:45 who is the Chairman of the House Chairman of the House Armed Services Committee.

45:50 Both of them come from districts where there's a heavy dominant influence by these

45:54 private aerospace corporations in our major campaign configutors to those people. That's rather a

46:00 mundane dimension of this, but it's highly important. There's another element, however,

46:06 which is the national security state people. The national security state people have

46:12 an interest in securing and maintaining the secrecy over this whole realm because they want

46:20 to be able to develop weapons and to utilize the technology for a weaponry to

46:28 establish dominion over all the rest of the other nation states on the plan.

46:34 That's an terbly low businessation, but that's the job. Unfortunately inside a national

46:40 security state such as our country, they've been assigned that task and so they're

46:45 pursuing that task diligently and they're working over time to try to keep this secret

46:51 so they can have a unique military advantage over there what they view as their

46:54 potential adversaries of China and Russia, primarily the nation states that are opposing a

47:02 particular economic system that we have in the West, you know. And so

47:07 this is these are extremely low consciousness kind of motivations that are going on,

47:12 but they're completely understandable in our world. And what we need to do at

47:15 the New Paradigm Institute is we need to kind of mobilize the citizenry not only

47:21 inside our country but around the world to be able to lift our whole human

47:25 family to the higher angels of our nature, to really try to be more

47:30 interested in establishing productive and positive and cooperative relationship with the people of this extraterrestrial

47:37 civilization rather than trying to figure out how to seize their technology and make weapons

47:44 out of it. Yeah, because and that's the problem and this world is

47:50 and that's why you know, I know, as an attorney. So you've

47:55 represented luel Zondo and I'm not sure if you still represent doctor Greer, but

48:02 they both kind of there's there there. Their narratives are different. The Louel

48:13 Zondo uh is from the national He looks at it as from the national security

48:16 standpoint, whereas doctor Greer thinks that, you know, it's at all peaceful

48:22 and we need to join the cosmic brotherhood. What is your take on on

48:30 that situation. I mean, we know that flowers, daisies and all that's

48:35 not going to get us defense funding and funding that we need for these programs,

48:40 but we also need to be able to oversee these programs and know they

48:44 exist well well, the I mean, the fact of the matter is that

48:51 both Louellasondo and doctor Greer both agree to a substantial degree of wanting to have

48:59 more disclosure. And so part of my job is not just with regard to

49:05 those two individuals, but everybody is to try to get everybody to yes on

49:08 this thing, saying look at that. The fact is the United States Congress

49:13 is being lied to, you know, by an element of the national security

49:16 state that not only are they concealing the information from them, they're actively lying

49:22 to the United States Congress. They're refusing to be presidents of the United States

49:25 about this information. You know that that is completely unconstitutional, is completely violative

49:31 of the most fundamental standards of democracy in our country. And I know that

49:37 there's a lot of people who believe that a genuine belief in democracy is somehow

49:42 idealistic and unrealistic and kind of I guess that they consider it foolish. But

49:52 the bottom line is, I don't believe that it's foolish. I believe that

49:54 that the future of our human family is rooted in the ability to have more

49:59 and more democracy. Uh. And that I believe that therefore, as Madison

50:04 has pointed out, so that that a you know, a democracy, an

50:07 essential aspect of is the knowledge on the part of the people to be able

50:12 to self govern. So we have a need to know this information. Uh.

50:15 And And the bottom line is, both lou Alessondo and doctor Dreer and

50:20 virtually everybody else that we work with in this field, including Dave grush uh

50:25 in the and others, you know, they share a desire to get more

50:30 and more information out to the people and to get Congress fully briefed in on

50:35 what's going on. So there's a level, a very important level of agreement

50:40 that the fact that the people may interpret this differently and to place different emphasis

50:45 on it. For example, Lou Alessando is his entire career has been inside

50:51 the National Security State infrastructure, UH and he's been raised and trained to believe

50:55 that any any vehicle coming into American airspace, as they refer to an American

51:02 airspace, you know, without the authority and subject to the military directions of

51:08 our United States National Security State, you know, is somehow intrinsically a threat.

51:13 You know. But Lou goes at great length to point out that he

51:15 doesn't mean that it's like like they're threatening us or they're they've done anything to

51:20 hurt us. But it's clear that if in fact, you have the evidence

51:23 that we clearly have now that UFOs are flying over the top of our nuclear

51:29 weapons nuclear missile sites and shutting off nuclear missiles, that they're able to rise

51:35 up out of the ocean and shut down our largest nuclear aircraft carriers, completely

51:40 shut off all their propulsion systems, shut off all their electric communications systems,

51:45 so that they're basically dead in the water. You know that this is anybody

51:49 who's been raised inside the National security State is going to experience that as a

51:54 threat. But the problem is is that any these people, uh, the

52:00 inside the National Curtis State view any effort to impede our ability from the United

52:07 States to establish full military spectrum dominance over the whole planet is a threat.

52:14 You know. Now that's that's a particular worldview, uh, and that people

52:17 who come from that particular worldview are obviously going to be viewed by people like

52:22 doctor Greer as being excessive, uh and that they're they're distortive of this whole

52:29 issue. Uh. And on the other hand, people like like uh like

52:36 Luela Zondo and others who are inside the National Curity State, they look at

52:38 people like doctor Greer and others who maybe they perceived to be over idealistic about

52:46 the necessarily benign nature of people that are an extraterrestal civilization that has been here

52:54 for decades uh and has not, in fact, you know, tried to

52:58 dominate us as not tried to take us over in any kind of direct way

53:01 that anyone can tell that military people view that as being pollyannash in naive and

53:09 so that they perceived each other different people, not just these two individuals,

53:15 but different people from different walks of life view this issue differently. Now I've

53:21 delivered entire lectures on this about how people from their own particular worldview perceive this

53:28 particular phenomenon and it's unique to their own worldview. But we're trying to do

53:34 at the New Paradigm Institute is to develop a new paradigm worldview that can see

53:38 everything very realistically, very practically, very pragmatically, but at the same time

53:45 maintain our sense of optimism and our sense of idealism about being able to establish

53:52 a positive and constructive and mutually beneficial relationship with the members of the extraterrestrial civilization.

54:00 Now, we don't know yet exactly what to one of your questions.

54:05 We don't know yet exactly what the relationship is among these different species. We

54:09 don't know yet whether they have some sort of a galactic federation of some sort,

54:15 what kind of degree of cooperation they have with each other. But we

54:19 do know that they've been coming and going virtually members of at least four of

54:24 these different species, and perhaps a fifth, this more human element. We

54:30 know that. We just don't know yet, you know, what their relationship

54:35 is with each other? And we don't know to what degree any aspect of

54:38 our national security state has established communications with them and worked out any kind of

54:45 either de facto or the jura you know, treaty relationships with them, or

54:52 we don't know. We don't know. That's that's one of the important roles

54:55 of the New Paradigm Institute that we've conducted major invest netigations. Our major the

55:04 Romero Institute, which is the five oh one C three mothership of our New

55:08 Paradigm Institute, we conducted major investigations in the past. In your own contract

55:15 case. We're the ones that uncovered the weapons smuggling, the drug smuggling,

55:19 the violations of the All Amendment. We're the ones that investigated the secret shipping

55:23 of nuclear weapons materials to Israel out of the Kermigie Nuclear facility. You know,

55:29 we've conducted these investigations over the past fifty years that have put us in

55:34 a position of being able to help make this information available to our people so

55:37 we can make public policy decisions. And that's what we're engaged in here.

55:42 We're trying to find out what it is that's going on. We may be

55:45 viewed by some people inside the National Security state bureaucracy as adversaries because they view

55:52 the efforts on the part of the American people to find out about what's going

55:55 on as adverse to their interests. Right. But we've conducted ourselves completely lawfully

56:05 within all the normal restrictions with regard to national security information. And we're intending

56:10 to get this information first to Congress so Congress can make fundamental decisions as our

56:15 elected representatives, and then to have Congress be able to make the decisions as

56:21 to how much of this information should be and needs to be made available as

56:25 soon as possible to our people of the world, while we at the same

56:30 time adjust our major institutions and start to prepare our institutions to be able to

56:36 integrate this information in as smooth a way as we can. Right. And

56:40 I think that's something that you're doing really well, as you know, with

56:46 what's going on right now. I really just it's something that's going to have

56:55 to come up eventually, and you know, whether it's post admittance of that

57:02 there is a non human intelligence. But going back to uh, you know,

57:09 one of your first cases with John mac he was researching abductions, alien

57:15 abductions and contactees. So when we get to that question of the abductions,

57:22 how do you how do you foriresee that. I don't I know, you

57:25 don't like to speculate, but I mean, that's gonna be a tough one

57:30 for any president. And and it sounds like in previous interviews that you are

57:35 pretty sure that Biden will get a second term and that will be the disclosure

57:40 year or or disclosure camp campaign, and that that's second term. That's right,

57:49 that's true. I believe that's true. Well, I believe that this

57:52 is the first one of the major issues that we need to come to grips

57:54 with. You know that whatever people may think about our institute and what we've

58:00 done over the last fifty years, is that there's no question whatsoever about our

58:05 support for individual human dignity and human rights. I mean, we are major

58:09 human rights advocates, you know, and if defended and represented people for decades

58:15 now in protecting fundamental rights. And to say, I was the co founder

58:19 of the Harvard Civil Rights Large Law School. So we are our advocates of

58:24 the rights of individual people not to be subjected to involuntary abduction and certainly not

58:31 involuntary surge injuries. You know, where women have their eggs removed and involuntarily

58:39 subjecting their eggs to cross fertilization. You know, that's a discussion, a

58:45 clear discussion that we have to have face to face with members of this extraterrestrial

58:50 civilization. You know, it's one of those kind of tough discussions we have

58:53 to have with them, you know, the in we intend to have that

58:59 conversation with them. It's not that they don't know that we don't agree with

59:02 that, uh, you know, but you know, you hear it over

59:06 and over and over again. You know, it's like the apes objecting to

59:08 the fact that you know that we capture them, and that we inter breed

59:13 chimpanzees and that we you know, we treat them like bab animals, you

59:16 know. The the and given the fact that these extraterrestal civilizations appear to be

59:22 so much more advanced than we are technologically, that they may in fact be

59:27 less than entirely sensitive about our rights, uh uh, and that we need

59:32 to we need to have the new paradigm, has to has to be able

59:37 to get them to agree to grant greater degrees of liberty and judgment over our

59:44 own bodies. But the fact is there may well be a lot of people

59:49 who would be perfectly willing to make their sperm available and make their egg cells

59:54 available to to have them be you know, doing interbreeding to develop a hybrid

1:00:00 race or species rather uh, you know, so that that's something that people

1:00:05 ought to talk about. Hey, you don't have to you don't have to

1:00:08 go beating people up and taking taking these things involuntarily. If there are people

1:00:13 who may be willing to cooperate. Now that that's a that's a program that

1:00:19 would have to be very carefully studied from the point of view of human rights

1:00:22 and dignity. And and we're going to have to come to grips with the

1:00:27 fact that the that there's there's going to be a good deal of kind of

1:00:31 uh, not just racism, but species new species. People are going to

1:00:40 people are going to be upset about the whole idea of cross breeding with an

1:00:45 extraterrestrial civil That not so much the people that are potentially from the Pleiades that

1:00:51 look like us, just like us. But you know, but when you're

1:00:55 talking about breeding, uh, interbreeding with reptilians or insectoids or the you know,

1:01:01 the tall and short grades, you know, people are going to get,

1:01:06 you know, really antsy about that. And I'm going to be clear,

1:01:10 it's not just antsy about that. People are going to be totally traumatized

1:01:15 by that. And so we have to have intelligent, careful, thoughtful discussions

1:01:20 about all of this. That's another job of the New Paradigm Institute is to

1:01:24 slow everybody down, to calm down about these things. Let's have careful,

1:01:29 thoughtful discussions about all of this and try to figure out principles and policies that

1:01:37 we want to have implemented with regard to our relationship with the extraterrestrials of all

1:01:43 the different species. But that's not happening right now because you have an element

1:01:47 in the National security state that just flat out says, no, there's no

1:01:51 such thing. It's just all untrue. It's just a big fat lie,

1:01:54 you know. And the bottom line is we have to get past that and

1:01:59 ask the stage that we're at right now. We're in the process of crossing

1:02:01 that line to get all of our major institutions to become honest about this and

1:02:08 acknowledge that this is going on, so that we can get our people to

1:02:12 move into this kind of serious discussion about the profound philosophical, theological, sociological,

1:02:19 psychological issues that need to get resolved, and we're working on that at

1:02:23 the institute. We have we have over thirty five major academics now professors at

1:02:31 major universities and all kinds. They're working with us. I did want to

1:02:37 talk about that. So you're offering So are these courses accredited? Yes,

1:02:44 that's that's a separate thing, the offering of coals. That's a separate thing

1:02:50 that we're offering accredited courses in a master's degree program and a PhD program in

1:02:58 and extraterrestrial studies. But in addition to that we have the actual thirty five,

1:03:04 we'll have more than that eventually, people who are professional academics, who

1:03:08 are you, For example, this is being coordinated the thirty five people that

1:03:15 are professors at various universities across the country are being coordinated by a professor in

1:03:20 the philosophy department at Ohio State University that we're coordinating them to write white papers,

1:03:25 to do analysis of all of these things for us and with US,

1:03:30 and a number of these people are going to be teaching courses through our new

1:03:36 Paradigm Institute that are going to be addressing a lot of these things. It's

1:03:42 because the government isn't doing it. You know, we'd be delighted to have

1:03:45 the government and the universities working together on this, but they're not. The

1:03:51 major institutions at the universities are still under the influence of a seventy year long

1:03:59 propaganda campaign has been waged secretly by the Defense Department and the Central Intelligence Agency

1:04:05 to deter anyone from taking the subject seriously. Uh So we have to learn

1:04:11 the process trying to overcome that with individual faculty members who are willing to come

1:04:15 forward and teach these courses, and they will, but they're also working at

1:04:19 trying to persuade their faculty and their administrations at these universities to allow courses to

1:04:28 begin. And now that they that we've come to realize that there's an extraterrestrial

1:04:32 civilization, you know that we've got to come to grips with the details about

1:04:36 this. So that's we're hoping that that the official the official institutions are going

1:04:44 to move into doing their work, but we can't sit and wait for them.

1:04:47 We have to have an institute such as the New Paradigm Institute, that

1:04:51 people can contact by simply New Paradigm Institute dot org as simple as that New

1:04:58 Paradigm Institute bat or or and come to our website. We're building a major

1:05:01 website that's going to be able to interact with all four hundred and thirty five

1:05:06 congressional districts. UH that we're going to be able to We're going to be

1:05:11 able to work with them, uh and go back and forth and give them

1:05:15 the information that they that they need to they need to have UH in order

1:05:19 to uh to share their information their local newspapers, their local cable television stations,

1:05:26 go to their local Quantas clubs and their American Legion clubs and talk about

1:05:30 this. UH. You know that we've got we've got to do this.

1:05:34 We've we've got to we've got to have this be a common conversation that our

1:05:39 people have to be comfortable engaging in so that, you know, over the

1:05:43 next you know, next six to ten year period, you know, we're

1:05:47 going to go through this process of integrating all of this information into our human

1:05:53 culture. UH. And that we need to get the institutions involved in this

1:05:57 to to but otherwise, the citizens are going to have to do this ourselves.

1:06:01 We cannot wait around for them to do this. Well that you know,

1:06:06 we have about ten minutes or a little less than ten minutes left.

1:06:12 So with that exact notion is a good segue. How do I mean,

1:06:18 how do you see the relationship between the scientific community and UFO research evolving?

1:06:25 Are there particular areas where you think collaboration and just openness could be improved.

1:06:34 Oh yeah, it's just that we have to get past this thing. I

1:06:38 know that the university professors spent an awful lot of time organizing to get permission

1:06:45 to privately patent technologies that they develop, even with government grants going to the

1:06:51 universities to do research in particular areas, and that the university professors have secured

1:06:58 the right to to secure patents, privately owned patents on certain technologies that they

1:07:04 developed. We have to deal with that that. I don't think that's a

1:07:09 good idea, as I've pointed out that you know that, But I think

1:07:14 people in the scientific community have been closed out of this whole thing. The

1:07:17 vast majority of the leading experts of the world and in all of these areas

1:07:23 that are so important to do an analysis of this stuff, have been shut

1:07:27 out of this whole program. You know, you have, but you have

1:07:30 people that are just like mechanical engineers that are being brought in to look at

1:07:34 these craft and try to figure out how other technology works so they can try

1:07:39 to duplicate the propulsion systems or to utilize them for propelling nuclear missiles, you

1:07:45 know, at at light speed into other people's countries. You know, but

1:07:50 you don't have. You don't have the philosophers, you don't have the theologians,

1:07:54 you don't have the social psychiatrists, you don't have the economists, the

1:07:59 economics people. You don't have any of these experts yet applying their skills and

1:08:03 trying to address the issues that need to get done. So what we're doing

1:08:08 is we're recruiting them into the new Paradigm Institute to work with us and ideally

1:08:13 be able to persuade the government institutions to start taking in this information and then

1:08:18 taking over the process so that we have a government run but privately overseen and

1:08:28 regulated process by means of which we integrate all of this information into the various

1:08:34 institutional realms of our human family. That's what's going on right now, right

1:08:42 So some final final thoughts looking back at your career, including your work on

1:08:51 Watergate, the UFO phenomena at all related phenomena. What do you consider to

1:08:59 be the most significant contributions to public knowledge and government accountability? Well, that

1:09:10 that we've well, first of all, I think that the the securing of

1:09:15 the right of investigative journalists to protect their continential news sources was an extraordinarily important

1:09:21 step because then you can get insiders to come forward and share the information of

1:09:29 the journalists who can responsibly convey this information to the people and exercise independent judgment

1:09:34 from the national security state people over what information needs to be shared with people.

1:09:41 I think that was extremely important. I think that the I think that

1:09:45 the stopping of the secret shipping of a nuclear weapons material by the United States

1:09:50 Central Intelligence Agency to different fascist countries from South Africa, you know, to

1:09:59 Iran Shaw you know, and also to some other countries like Israel. You

1:10:04 know, that that effort that we did to stop the smuggling of the ninety

1:10:11 eight percent through bomb grade plutonium that was in the one reprocessing plant in the

1:10:15 world for spent nuclear materials was an important step that we took. I think

1:10:20 that are revealing to people the fact that the Central Intelligence Agency and in the

1:10:27 Joint Special Operations Command of the United States Pentagon was openly defying the Congress when

1:10:32 Congress prohibited them from providing weapons to the right wing, you know, fascist

1:10:36 government of Anastasio Simosa in exile, you know, to try to overthrow the

1:10:42 elected government eventually of the Sandinistas in Nicarago. Is an important revelation. But

1:10:48 this but all of that pales in the face of what it is that we're

1:10:54 doing now. All of those activities that were basic training for us to be

1:10:59 able to effe actively do. What we're doing right now is to try to

1:11:02 usher in an entire new era for our entire human family of realizing that we

1:11:10 are part of a galactic civilization and moving to preserve our integrity as a species,

1:11:16 moving to protect some of the most fundamental values of human rights and individual

1:11:23 liberties that are extraordinarily important to all of us in the face of a galactic

1:11:28 civilization that may not at this point place a high enough value on those aspects

1:11:35 of individual liberty. These are things that we have to be able to do,

1:11:41 and to the extent of which our government is declining to do those things

1:11:44 at the present time. As our other governments around grew we need to do

1:11:48 this as private citizens. And that's why we've established a new Paradigm Institute as

1:11:53 a place for everybody to come together, people like Stephen Greer, people like

1:12:00 al Azando, people like uh, you know, doctor John Mack, other

1:12:03 people that that normally don't agree with each other, at the point where now

1:12:08 we have we have Matt Gates sitting down with Alexandria Casio Cortes and virtually agree,

1:12:15 agreeing that they are demanding together that Congress be briefed in on this.

1:12:21 Uh. And we have the House and the Senate that don't always see eye

1:12:25 to eye, especially when they're under the control of different political parties. Now

1:12:29 we have them cooperating together. Uh. And so that's what we're doing.

1:12:33 We're trying to We're trying to establish a paradigm pursue to which people that are

1:12:39 normally in disagreement with each other can come to an agreement around this extraordinary moment

1:12:45 where we are encountering an extraterrestrial civilization and to figure out how we can at

1:12:51 one at the same time establish a positive and constructive and mutually beneficial relationship with

1:12:58 this civilization, but at the same time preserve the unique rights that we think

1:13:03 we have as human beings. Even if we may not be as technologically developed

1:13:09 as they are, even if we may not be as intelligent as they are,

1:13:14 even if we may not be as spiritually evolved as they are, you

1:13:16 know that we still have a right and to make our own decisions. We

1:13:21 have a right to govern our own planet. But we have to be also

1:13:26 a cognizant of the fact we cannot take steps that will destroy the life generating

1:13:33 capacity of our own planet. We can't do that, And that's why they're

1:13:39 displaying such interest and concern about our nuclear weapons program. Yeah, I was

1:13:46 going to ask earlier. There's clearly a relationship between the nuclear capabilities of human

1:13:54 beings and the UFO phenomena and their occupants. You know, the cases like

1:14:00 the Robert Sallas case, uh and I believe it was Malstrom and then yeah,

1:14:09 even even the guy that saved the Russian, the Russian UH operator who

1:14:15 basically you know, thwarted world what would be World War three and the destruction

1:14:21 of everything by not you know, uh, pulling the trigger. There's clearly,

1:14:29 like we need with with a I and and everything that's developing. There

1:14:34 is an ongoing fear of of of such thing as a false flag operation,

1:14:40 and it really does worry me, and and hopefully in our next conversation we

1:14:45 can maybe talk and expand upon that further. But well, let's let's not

1:14:49 jump over that one. Let's not jump over that one that you know that

1:14:53 we can go into another five minutes. The the the the false flag operation

1:14:59 stuff the doctor Gur talks about and stuff is a whole separate category. You

1:15:03 know that the fact that the UFO people are shutting off our nuclear weapons are

1:15:12 demonstrating to the Soviet Union they can turn them on or off at will.

1:15:16 The fact that they can paralyze our most powerful nuclear aircraft carriers, let's see,

1:15:21 you know, these are all things to demonstrate that they have these capabilities.

1:15:26 But it's perfectly clear from the conversations that people have had with the occupants

1:15:31 of these craft over seventy years now that they are extraordinarily currented that we as

1:15:40 a human species, ourselves are going to stumble into a thermal nuclear exchange which

1:15:45 is going to potentially terminate the capacity of our planet to just state life.

1:15:51 You know that this our planet is one of the comparatively rare planets inside the

1:15:56 galaxy that is capable of actually just skating life. Uh. And that this

1:16:00 is not something that we are at liberty to destroy. This is a resource

1:16:04 that exists inside the galaxy among and it's not the only planet obviously, because

1:16:10 there are other planets that have obviously just stated life. That there's non human

1:16:14 life that we're encountering. But the Bodom is rare enough. They're rare enough

1:16:19 to be protected, that's right. And and they're and they're going to do

1:16:26 that they you know, and that that we don't want them to have to

1:16:29 intervene, you know, aggressively and involuntarily uh, to to stop us from

1:16:34 from doing this. But uh, in any event, it has to be

1:16:39 stopped. We cannot be allowed to exercise the liberty of destroying our own our

1:16:45 own planet. Uh. And it's life just stating capacity. Because just because

1:16:49 we happen to be a species on this planet, you know that the other

1:16:54 the other species are going to potentially intervene to stop this, I hope if

1:17:00 we if we don't do it ourselves. Uh. And the same thing is

1:17:02 true with the conmination. They're constantly talking to people about we have to stop

1:17:06 contaminating our planet. That we're pouring these fossil pools and fumes into our planet,

1:17:12 contaminating our oceans. You know that we're we're threatening the the ecosystems of

1:17:17 our entire planet that are integral to just dating life. You know. So

1:17:23 that these two issues of nuclear weapons that we have in the threat of thermonuclear

1:17:28 holocausts and the the the thread of global climate change, massive damage that we're

1:17:32 doing through our own ecosystem through polluting it. These are two things that have

1:17:36 been consistently discussed by the people who have had encounters close encounters with the occupants

1:17:44 of these of these vehicles. Uh. And that and that that I don't

1:17:48 think that we should you know, this this thing that you mentioned, the

1:17:51 false flag and I do not believe even though our people, our human beings

1:17:57 are capable of making very bad judgments, such as the development of thermonuclear weapons

1:18:03 and the spreading of thermonuclear weapons around the world. You know that this is

1:18:09 a bad idea, you know. But the bottom line is is that even

1:18:13 though they have the capacity and they've contemplated, you know, doing a false

1:18:19 flag operation by capturing the technology the UFOs and pretending that were being invaded by

1:18:26 a UFO invasion in order to justify massive military spending. You know, this

1:18:31 is something doctor Grew talks about extensively, But that is speculative. And you

1:18:38 I mean, I know, I know more than anybody that he knows.

1:18:43 Is I was general counsel to Disposure Project for two years that I know all

1:18:47 about this. I do not believe that that is what they're planning to do.

1:18:51 I believe that there's an awful lot of things that the National Securities Date

1:18:56 are planning to do that we want to stop them from doing. But just

1:18:59 because they've entertained that and have thought about that, doesn't mean they're going to

1:19:03 do it. Uh. And and I can fully appreciate why why doctor Gier

1:19:09 is concerned about that. The mere fact that they're even thinking about that,

1:19:12 you know, it's enough to frighten uh. And they may justify overreacting to

1:19:16 try to stop them from doing anything like that. And uh and uh.

1:19:20 But and I do realize that people deep inside the National Security State have ideas

1:19:26 that strike me as rather stunning and and surprising. Uh. You know that

1:19:32 that, for example, their belief that they're entitled to, you know,

1:19:35 established full military spectrum dominance over the entire planet. You know, I think

1:19:41 that's a really terrible idea, you know, and it's and it's a it's

1:19:45 one that is intrinsically unstable that you can't you can't insist upon having that authority

1:19:50 yourself and not expect other nation states like Russia or China, or even India

1:19:56 or others to think that they're entitled to the same kind of motivation that we've

1:20:00 got to stop that step back. And I believe that this issue differently than

1:20:05 than President Reagan referred to it when he was at the United Nations when he

1:20:10 said that, you know, he often reflects upon the fact that, you

1:20:13 know, that we might all come together if we faced a common threat from

1:20:17 an extraterrustrial civilization. You know, I think it's the opposite of that.

1:20:21 I think that faced with the opportunity to have a cooperative and prosperous relationship with

1:20:29 an extraterrestrial civilization, this ought to bring us all together. This ought to

1:20:32 bring us all together not out of fear, but out of a positive,

1:20:38 upward, positive forward motivation to work together as a species to protect ourselves and

1:20:45 to protect our human rights and to protect our values. You know, in

1:20:48 establishing a concrete and constructive relationship with this other civilization. That's what I that's

1:20:55 what I think we really that's why I work together. I don't view it

1:20:59 as contradictory to represent to have represented the Disclosure project with doctor Time represent Luella

1:21:09 Zondo, because I believe that they have at least a degree of common interest

1:21:13 in getting more and more information put forward. In that they may want to

1:21:16 put their respective spins on whether whether you know the whether it's a threat or

1:21:20 whether it's a benign that's fine, that's what public discourse is all about.

1:21:27 But we at the New Paradigm Institute are in dialogue with everybody, everybody who

1:21:31 holds whatever view they have about this, to bring us all together to sit

1:21:35 in council and to develop a new paradigm that respects everybody's world views and takes

1:21:42 them into account while we prepare for this extraordinary step into the future. Because

1:21:47 I sincerely believe that that all time will be marked from this point forward with

1:21:54 a predisclosure and post disclosure. You know that that's going to be, that's

1:21:58 going to like BC in A I was literally just gonna say that a d

1:22:04 you know not you know, Richard Dolan and uh to write that book a

1:22:10 d after disclosure. I think that will would be something that a younger generation

1:22:15 would be open to and very much receptive to. It's already been changed a

1:22:19 couple of times, so UH findal thoughts. Is there anything else that you'd

1:22:25 like to share with our listeners about your work cases that you're involved in or

1:22:30 the broader implications of the UFO and paranormal research, as well as where people

1:22:34 can find you. Yeah, the people just need to get ahold of New

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