Inside the UFO Cover-Up: Gene Sticco & Lue Elizondo’s Secret Talk| Total Disclosure EXCLUSIVE

0:16 Speaker 1: Thank you. All right, everybody.

1:22 Speaker 2: Welcome back to Total Disclosure Live. We're here in studio and we have a good show for you today. Every once in a while, I get this craving to do a show with just the producer and I. Today we get to do that, but it's a little bit more relevant as far as generalities and the overall scheme of the UFO community. So we're going to do a show Before I introduce him and bring producer Gene in, I just wanted to go over, you know, this introduction to set the stage. So for years, the public narrative around UFO disclosure has been fed a very specific storyline.

2:01 Speaker 2: Heroes stepping out of the shadows, you know, breaking through Pentagon red tape and fighting to give people the quote unquote truth. And who are these insiders? Who are these people that all of a sudden want to pursue UFOs?

2:21 Speaker 3: Who are these people who have flooded the zone, increased the noise, and made it so much harder for the signal to be sought out?

2:31 Speaker 1: And while their.

2:33 Speaker 2: Attempts may be genuine, maybe they are continuing their mission that they were given.

2:39 Speaker 3: But today, we're going to get into... some of the.

2:44 Speaker 2: Things that I find very troublesome within the UFO community, specifically certain people in counterintelligence backgrounds who are using the same playbook. It doesn't stop just because someone leaves government service. What happens when counterintelligence officers admit their mission was to infiltrate the UFO community, to shape the narrative, and then key players turn around and rewrite that same history, calling the whistleblowers and other people who are investigating it knuckleheads for having the courage to step forward.

3:23 Speaker 2: And with that, I say, Gene, welcome to the show. Thank you for being here, obviously. I know it doesn't take much to get you here. as you helped me produce the show. But I had been taking a little bit of a break. I was kind of focusing on researching this one thing that I've been, this project that I've been developing. And I checked UFO Twitter or UFOX, whatever it's called now.

4:02 Speaker 3: And who is in the headlines? Gene Sticko.

4:08 Speaker 2: The healthy part of this being some breaks are good. Some breaks are good. Like I feel healthier. Again, it's not that I haven't been doing a lot of like online thing. It's just, I've been out more and doing things. And I think that's a healthy way of just reminding why we do this, right? It's why do we do this? Why are we seeking this truth?

4:37 Speaker 3: And it's to make our everyday lives better, right?

4:41 Speaker 1: Yeah. You know, in a lot of ways, I mean, I've had, I've not had only had this stuff going on the, you know, my shell oil whistleblowing stuff has, has come into the news again. Yeah. With a big court decision there. And, you know, like you said, it gives you a chance to step back for a second. Right. You know, I think I told you something different. Yeah. BBC is doing a documentary on it. I'm going to be featured in that. So, talking to them, reliving some of that stuff, um, and, and telling those stories and, and reliving and recounting and going through that kind of examination on the whistleblower front, the corporate whistleblower front, um, really, you know, gave me a chance to, to re re center, um, you know, the core issues in this, right.

5:37 Speaker 1: Because it's like, you know, yeah, I, I, dabbing, dabbing in and out of just the, the general stuff going on. Right. I've got my own intelligence business network things that, that I'm working on. Yeah. Yeah. Very good. I love that. You know? And so when I step back and look at all that holistically, right. It's like, even to me, I'm like, Oh, it makes sense. Right. Because this is, this is all about, government secrecy, corporate influences, and a public who is potentially, you know, getting, getting harmed or, or it has the potential for them to get harmed in some way.

6:26 Speaker 1: Right. I mean, we can, you know, we can go into all sorts of areas on the, the, the UFO ET side, you know, whatever spectrum of, uh, you know, ufology that you're interested in. Um, But it comes back to one of the core things I talked about when I got into this space is when, number one, it's personal. It is. It's a bit of family legacy, at least for my wife and her dad. It's the people, the generations through the decades who have pursued... this subject and who were ridiculed stigmatized you know if not died.

7:14 Speaker 3: I was gonna say didn't live long enough to see where it could have gone.

7:19 Speaker 1: Yeah um you know those are that's real impact.

7:24 Speaker 2: Really is you know and and with that being said so you you came on the the squad producing pretty early pretty early.

7:41 Speaker 3: Once i started ramping up doing in studio guests at all right yeah i.

7:48 Speaker 1: Mean it's gotta be this year i don't think i was was.

7:52 Speaker 3: Uh yeah yeah that's what i mean yeah yeah so but but but we had known each other for a couple years i'm not quite sure when you told me so i'm i i am segueing um yeah So obviously, your name's been in the news. It's been mentioned by, honestly, one of the people that you've been trying to get to or respond to you has now publicly responded, calling you a quote-unquote knucklehead.

8:20 Speaker 2: Which infuriated me. But we'll get there. Let's start at the beginning.

8:27 Speaker 3: I remember that after a show or it was something, you had told me you were going to meet up with.

8:34 Speaker 4: Lou Elizondo yeah that might have so it might have been because again you know it hasn't been that long fundamentally right we're talking um I sort of jumped onto the scene June 11th.

8:50 Speaker 1: 2025 probably September or so like you had Nat and I over and we did the first first interview that sounds about right you know because it was you were just you just got the studio yeah right so it was like you know you were like oh i'm dying to do it i'm so excited we figured out how close we were and we're like great um and so

9:16 Speaker 1: you know i probably knew that in october i was gonna be um possibly you know having to sit down with lou um probably, you know, late, you know, mid to late September, let's say, because it was a, um, a call, you know, Ivan introduced us over video and he said, I'm going to be there. Yeah. Yeah. So, um, so yeah, I mean, it was probably three, four weeks at least. Um, so probably during that timeframe is when we had sat down and I said to you, yeah, I'm, you know, I'm going to get a chance to hopefully sit down with him.

9:54 Speaker 1: He's going to be, you know, said he's going to be in Boston and if it happens, I'll share what I have and see what comes of it.

10:00 Speaker 2: Yeah so you had told me about that that meetup and then it was kind of shortly after that where I got a message from you um or or you had come to the house and you told me about how the meetup went and some of the things that were spoken about. Now, obviously we're closer than, you know, some of the people that you are in, in the community.

10:34 Speaker 3: So I'm not saying I'm special.

10:36 Speaker 1: In any regard. And yeah, no, absolutely. And yeah, absolutely. You're not special. No, I think, you know, but I think what it was, was that again, you figure it's September, October or June, July, August, September, October, you know, it's like, I'm four months in this space. Right. And, and, and again, I don't know anybody's names, right. It's like hard for people to get their, their minds around, you know, it, it took me forever. You know, when people are like Lou, Alexander, Lou, and you know, it took me forever before I recognize the name or, you know, it took me hearing it a few times.

11:18 Speaker 1: Um, You know, and even then it was like, all I knew was sort of, right, whatever had kind of come up in conversations that, like, I didn't go seeking it out or anything like that. You know, probably until after I spoke with Iman, I was like, all right, well, let me see exactly, you know, what this guy's background is and what it is, you know, he can potentially help with here.

11:41 Speaker 2: I was going to say, it's a good, you know, for you, it's a good network. Like, it checks all the boxes you're looking for.

11:48 Speaker 1: You know what I mean?

11:49 Speaker 3: You're, you're searching for people who can help you with your situation. You are, you're, you, the thing about you is different is like a lot of people want to meet Lou to interview them.

12:00 Speaker 1: Right.

12:00 Speaker 2: Or to talk to them. You're going like, I want to talk to you about this.

12:06 Speaker 1: Right.

12:06 Speaker 3: Like I have this, I need someone to look at it. Yeah.

12:10 Speaker 1: So, you know, I often describe, you know, I had, you know, Fundamental, two fundamental questions of, of everybody up through that point. And it was, do you know a Russian speaking ufologist, physicist, somebody who's into this material who, you know, would be willing to have a look at it? Um, you know, Paul Stonehill's name came up a couple of times and, but we never connected, you know, I never really got a response or, you know, until, um, Later, sort of once I was out there and it came up to his attention afterwards, you know, by that time I was already, you know, pissed off enough with everything that I was like, oh, OK, you know, no, I'm on this now.

12:55 Speaker 1: Never mind. Thanks. Because gave you a shot. Right. Any time prior, any time prior, I'd have handed everything over to somebody.

13:07 Speaker 3: You had said that multiple times to me in the beginning.

13:09 Speaker 1: Yeah. And this is why I'm doing the show.

13:13 Speaker 3: I want to be able to, for whatever credence I hold, whatever credibility I hold, I like to think that I don't fuck people over and, you know, my word is pretty good. You had mentioned all of this stuff to me in conversation and, you know, informatively, like, hey, can I trust this person?

13:35 Speaker 2: Like, what do you think of this person? You were keeping me up to tabs on it. And you gave many people chances in the beginning. before you were.

13:44 Speaker 1: Quote unquote known.

13:46 Speaker 3: And what I found disillusioning was how many people brushed it off.

13:52 Speaker 1: Well, right. Given your background.

13:54 Speaker 3: Yeah.

13:55 Speaker 1: Well, yeah. I mean, so there was a certain level of like, let's say hypocrisy, you know, that I was seeing right off the bat. And I'm like, I don't get, you know, what this is about. It's kind of weird. They're, they're saying, you know, show us what you've got. And it's like, okay, I've got something, right? You're former military.

14:16 Speaker 3: You're former Intel. You worked in oil and gas.

14:22 Speaker 1: I'm a corporate whistleblower by that point. I'm retired doing my opera stuff.

14:29 Speaker 3: You meet every threshold. And this is what was so baffling to me, was you met every bar for what we look for as.

14:41 Speaker 2: UFO researchers and investigators as far as credibility. And I, we've had this conversation on the show many times, what constitutes a credible person, military, you're trained to be an observer, right? You're trained to kind of see through bullshit signal to noise. You know, we give those people more credibility inherently. I know there's like the whole judge don't judge a book by its cover.

15:06 Speaker 1: Right. This is the only time.

15:10 Speaker 2: That I will, probably ever agree with the statement, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, or at least extraordinary people who are putting forth this information.

15:23 Speaker 3: Yeah.

15:24 Speaker 1: Well, you know, I mean, in all the stuff you just said is what I was sitting there and kind of becomes, you know, the benchmark and the unit of measure. And then it's like, okay, well, what's different? What's different is the information I'm bringing forward. did not come out of the U S government. It did not get cleared by anybody. It wasn't reviewed. It, you know, none of those things, it just didn't come out of this official channel. And so as I'm, you know, sifting through and, and, and looking at the, the, the landscape in front of me, you know, that was the number one thing that jumped out.

16:08 Speaker 1: And I was like, Oh, this isn't, this isn't a thing that they're really like actually looking for information that can lead them somewhere. They're slowly releasing information through a predetermined pipeline. And, and that's what this is about, which is like, okay, but then I'm still sitting there, you know, listening to these figures talking about, you know, positioning themselves as champions of all of this. And, you know, we want people to come forward and it's like, well, you want certain people to come forward.

16:51 Speaker 1: Yes. And, and so why do you only want, you know, this isn't a U S exclusive issue. There was again, plenty.

17:01 Speaker 3: Of, that's another angle though. I thought they would be interested in. It proves that this is not just a, not proves, but, Enhances the argument that this is not just a U.S.-based phenomenon.

17:15 Speaker 1: Right. And again, by that time, I was already putting together the paperwork trail to say, hold on, this is... And there were several angles. I'm like, number one, this is pointing right into a bunch of U.S. programs. The programs y'all are talking about, this points directly into them. So there's something there, number one. The second part of that was that it pointed directly into what was being circulated in the intelligence and defense community from Russia about their future plans. Putin using the term, you know, weapons using new physical principles, EMP space weapons, plasma-based weapon systems.

18:08 Speaker 1: And so I was like, well, you know, if you don't already know about something like this, maybe you should. So if, you know, nothing else. And, you know, I sent copies of the book with a cover letter with, you know, briefs attached to it, just saying this is, you know, this is what I'm finding. I think there might be an implication here. You know, just want to see it get in the right hands. Happy to brief everybody and stuff like that. Super pure, open. Right. And, and, and again, you know, it's not like I'm, you know, I'm ready to fly to DC at a moment's notice and come down and brief the president.

18:47 Speaker 1: None of that. Here it is. And, and, and, and that's it. Right. And, but, you know, but then you get no feedback.

18:58 Speaker 3: Right.

18:59 Speaker 1: Is that just a matter of the system? Is that, you know, again, some of these. From. other past experience. And, and again, you know, I worked between corporate world and government and things for a very long time. I figured if nothing else, there's a general letter that gets sent out and says, thank you for sending your materials. They'll be reviewed and, you know, God bless America.

19:32 Speaker 3: Yeah.

19:33 Speaker 1: And, and that would have been good enough. Yeah. That would have been good enough. You would have ended your quest. I would have been like, somebody's got them in the, you know, I will just trust the right people, get them in the right hands. I've done my job. You know? Amen. the alarm.

19:51 Speaker 3: So that doesn't happen.

19:54 Speaker 2: You're met with a lot of pushback from the very people that seem to gain the most from utilizing or

20:08 Speaker 2: valid validating this work.

20:11 Speaker 1: I mean i wouldn't even categorize it as pushback i'd categorize it as much like the fbi visit fishing trips right they seem to want to dive into the well and get the information and see what i had and what i know and then just kind of disappear right and and it was it was essentially a recurring pattern right so so you know which you know i mean that's what i'm saying all of this stuff is stuff that builds one off one one off the other so you know yes i initially had you know was exchanging messages with george right he never answered the question but you know that was happening jim alrock from mufon the mufon investigator he had communicated with him Right.

21:05 Speaker 1: Yeah. You know, then I wound up getting introduced, you know, Ross Goldhart. Right. And Ross continued to, you know, follow up. I mean, I think I talked to him three or four times before we ever, you know, did the interview with him. I communicated, I think, with somebody who was sort of checking the works out, you know, themselves. So, you know, there was some background going on there. I'm like, fantastic. You know, Jesse Michaels. I spoke with him on the phone. Yeah, I never told you that?

21:38 Speaker 3: No.

21:39 Speaker 1: When did you speak to Jesse? Again, within those first two months. Really? Yeah, within the first two, three months.

21:50 Speaker 3: Really?

21:51 Speaker 1: Yeah. We sort of had an introduction. I sent him everything. We got on the phone. He asked about, you know, sitting down you know get me on the show and this and that i was like yeah happy to do you know whatever um and then i spoke and then at that same time gerb reached out and i talked with gerb you know and wait really yeah i can't believe i never told you all this How we've spent countless. I had to have said this. No, because I would have remembered. I mean, so with with both of them, it was, you know, essentially like a one time conversation.

22:35 Speaker 1: You know, by that time, again, I was still putting stuff together. And so, you know, Jesse was like, well, keep, you know, sending me stuff. And, you know, I did it for. And again, you know, I understand you.

22:48 Speaker 3: Get bored easy and you're not you're not drawn in by vanity.

22:53 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, but I also, you know, but I also want to listen. I appreciate when they're like, send it off. So, you know, I mean, I was careful about what I was sending. I wasn't going to, you know, send everything every day or, you know, so maybe every couple of weeks I'd, you know, ping him something. And, you know, did the follow up a couple of times, say, Jesse, you know, is there any more thoughts on doing an interview or anything like that? never you know heard anything back so now fast forward to chris ramsey.

23:27 Speaker 3: I was just gonna say there's a third i'm going for a year.

23:31 Speaker 1: Right so fast forward to chris ramsey where he's sitting now with him and gerb and kazakhstan gets brought up and chris is like yeah there's this guy and you know he said my father-in-law is a jan there's a woman she's an opera singer and their father's a janitor and you know this is that and um And he's like, and then Jesse, you know, gave him the name.

23:53 Speaker 3: He goes, oh, isn't that that Gene Sticko guy?

23:56 Speaker 1: Right, right. Right. And then he, you know, quickly changed the subject and, you know, sort of pushed on with the rest of, you know, the Kazakhstan part of the story that he was talking about. So, you know, again, all of this is happening here. And there's, you know, these first few months. And so and, you know, again, I've said it before. somebody from coast to coast reached out and said you know um george would like to have you it was like on a wednesday or whatever and they're like george would like to have you on this sunday you know and it was 1 30 a.m local time yeah right and i'm like i i'm not doing that i and and again just reiterated i don't you know i'm happy to pre-record something um but otherwise i'd you know a 20 minute conversation, if he can spare, really all I'm kind of interested in is sort of, you know, does this look like what you saw before?

24:56 Speaker 3: Yeah.

24:57 Speaker 1: Right. And, you know, and, and is there somebody, you know, I should take this to, or that could tell me more about it potentially. Yep. Right. And, and, and again, by not looking to get interviewed.

25:09 Speaker 2: So this rules out the idea you literally turned out because most people are going to say, Well, why didn't you just man.

25:16 Speaker 1: Up and do the interview? Everyone's like, oh my God, coast to coast. All sorts of overnight success stories going on coast to coast.

25:27 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's nationally syndicated.

25:29 Speaker 1: I never fucking heard of it. I didn't know it.

25:34 Speaker 2: But you were like, but it just shows me how real you are. You're like, no, I'm not staying up at 1.30 to get a 20 minute segment with George just to fill some air time.

25:48 Speaker 1: Like that's not what I'm looking for. I'm looking like, right. I, I, I didn't need, you know, it's like, I already told you the story. I'm looking for some feedback. Yes. Right. And, and again, I've, I've been around the block. Yeah. I, you know, here in Boston, every couple of weeks, I'm on Saturday morning radio.

26:10 Speaker 3: Right.

26:10 Speaker 2: I know how you got to bring me one time, man.

26:13 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.

26:13 Speaker 1: Yeah.

26:14 Speaker 3: I want to, I've always wanted to go on a radio show.

26:18 Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay. Oh, if you're good to me, maybe. All right. You know, so, and I know I'm like, I'm like, I can't tell this, you know, this story cannot be told in, in little four minute segments interrupted by commercials, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And, you know, it's not just that I'm not looking to tell the story. I'm looking to find new, Right. Right. I, you know, I'm, it's like, I'm putting this out there because I'm seeing stuff. I see all of these people talking about all of the problems and where do we go and what's hidden and where is it hidden?

27:01 Speaker 1: And I'm like, well, I can tell you, you know, this old Soviet stuff goes right into a Russian patent that is referred into an SAIC patent and that's referred into a Lockheed patent that goes into, you know, maybe that's where to go look.

27:18 Speaker 3: Yeah.

27:19 Speaker 2: And that obviously that, that backs him up too, in the sense that he's been talking about the chain of command with that, that UFO that's being held by Lockheed that they tried to transfer it to Bigelow. Like, Your shit seems to fit this puzzle piece. The guy is notorious for sneaking fucking files out of the.

27:48 Speaker 3: Soviet or crumbling Soviet Union, turning into Russia.

27:52 Speaker 2: He has a scientist on retainer, not a scientist, a military guy.

28:02 Speaker 3: On retainer in Russia, sets them up at an office and everything.

28:06 Speaker 1: Yeah. So the guy was, the guy set up with the office. And you spoke to that guy. Yeah.

28:13 Speaker 3: Yeah.

28:13 Speaker 1: We communicated.

28:15 Speaker 3: I want to, I'm setting the whole stage.

28:17 Speaker 2: I want to go through beat by beat how we get to Elizondo saying, because I want to, there is an importance of what Elizondo says to you.

28:28 Speaker 1: Yeah. So, So, you know, so we reel it back now. Okay. So now, you know, all this, you know, and again, it wasn't, you know, I was doing disclosure tonight.

28:40 Speaker 3: Right.

28:40 Speaker 1: They were, I think that's probably the first sort of interview that we did. Mike disclosure, you know, we spoke during the week, like two days later, he's like, Hey, you know, I remember it was a Saturday. Cause he's like a sign on at like four 45 PM. We go, you know, for five o'clock and, and, and this and that. And I didn't know what to expect. Yeah. So I thought it was like a, you know, I thought it was like a recorded interview, you know, something like that. And I get in there and there's a whole room of people.

29:11 Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, this is something. It was, you know, and it was fun. It was a good environment. I'll give him this.

29:18 Speaker 2: I don't necessarily respect some of the way that they conduct themselves, but.

29:25 Speaker 1: They're, they got a good thing going. Yeah.

29:27 Speaker 3: Like the way that the technical setup.

29:30 Speaker 1: Yeah. I, I, that's my.

29:31 Speaker 3: Yeah.

29:32 Speaker 1: So that was, you know, so I got in there and, and, you know, then yeah, then I just started to kind of signing in the shows because I was like, all right, well, this, you know, we, we spoke for hours afterwards and, you know, in the back chat, um, I was like, all right, I'm going to learn some things here and start getting familiar, um, you know, with, with, with what's going on. Um, and then, yeah, a couple of other, uh, James Falk, You know, a few people. So it wasn't, you know, craziness. It wasn't a media storm.

30:03 Speaker 1: It wasn't anything like that. You know, it was generally people. And then like yourself, who ultimately we, you know, who sort of recognize, all right, the guy's trying to get, you know, the information out there. Tim Ventura, you know, I had to go do that APEC conference. I was like, oh, my God, these people are, you know, I'm sitting there listening to it. And I'm like, oh, my God, I'm so out of my league. you know, sitting here. And it was basically like, you know, I, I just, I'm like, Hey, listen, I'm like little orphan Annie looking for my mom and dad, you know, here's, here's what their work looks like.

30:40 Speaker 1: Has anybody seen it? You know, can anybody, you know, does it look familiar to anybody? And that's like the most I could, you know, offer, offer in, in that format. And then, as I said, it was the, I continued, you know, with my nose down, just kind of trying to figure out these connections to the programs.

31:04 Speaker 3: You're diligently working on the works themselves.

31:10 Speaker 1: Right.

31:10 Speaker 3: Doing what you could in your spare time, but also looking for.

31:14 Speaker 1: But that's a good point. Remember, I had nothing else. I had nothing but time.

31:18 Speaker 3: Right.

31:19 Speaker 1: Right. I mean, I technically retired in 2017. That's a good point. And we were doing the opera company stuff. Um, by, by June is actually, we'd kind of finished up the season. We had done a little residency at a place and, um, you know, it closed all that out. And so I was just kind of kicking back, relaxing. And that's why I was like, all right, well, I got some time now. Let me kind of throw it into this until we decide we want to, you know, fire the opera stuff back up again. And, uh, this is, you know, uh, this has become all encompassing.

31:56 Speaker 1: Um, but yeah, I mean, I've, you know, and there were, there were, you know, long days again, just chasing, you know, I'm, I'm like a bulldog, right. I'm just going to get my teeth into something and I'm going to keep digging and keep trying to figure it out and chewing on it. Um, there was the, you know, the 3.00 AM I wake up with something in my head and I got to go downstairs and sit on the laptop, you know, for an hour or two and you know, coffee and cigarettes and jump back in bed at like 6 a.m. to, you know, sleep a few more hours.

32:32 Speaker 1: So I got nothing but time to work on this. Right.

32:36 Speaker 3: And so jumping a bit, you're working all these angles. You're retired. You need a bone to chew on. You've been given.

32:49 Speaker 1: These amazing opportunities.

32:54 Speaker 2: Documents that you have kind of, for anyone who doesn't know, I don't think anyone watching or who would, hopefully, but if there is someone who is wondering, Gene, his father-in-law, so his wife's father, assembled this, how would you describe it?

33:20 Speaker 5: This It's 12 individual works that collectively make up the physical, mechanical, and consciousness interface elements of a UFO.

33:41 Speaker 3: Yes.

33:42 Speaker 1: I mean, and again, it's not my definition of it. The man literally, I'm looking to get a poster on the wall there, right? Yeah. We made a post that people can't see it, but, you know, I actually had them printed up on like engineering paper. Yeah. If you want to switch over and yeah, there it is. So that's the giant screens off.

34:04 Speaker 3: Right.

34:04 Speaker 1: And that's the definition technology of constructing the saucer UFO. That's the literal translation of the, the, the top line that's, that's up there. So, you know, I mean, it's, it's one of those things you gotta, you gotta believe what it is people write to, you know, to a degree when somebody, you know, when somebody tells you something or, or, you know, they put it down on paper and it's, it's not a situation where like he sent it and was like, Oh, can you, you know, Oh, you're living in the U S can you publish this for me?

34:40 Speaker 1: And, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It was just like, Oh, here's, here's some of my old work. You know, your, our son might be interested in someday.

34:47 Speaker 3: Yes. right?

34:48 Speaker 1: It was like a family heirloom.

34:50 Speaker 3: Yeah. So we meet, yada, yada, yada.

34:57 Speaker 1: You then, oh, is it? Sorry, folks. That's what you get when you start turning cameras.

35:21 Speaker 2: Then we jump forward. So all this is happening. And I wanted to set the stage. All this is happening in the background. And Gene tells me.

35:31 Speaker 3: One day, I am going to meet with Lou Elizondo today.

35:36 Speaker 1: Well, there was just a couple more things. And we'll just touch on all those.

35:39 Speaker 3: Okay.

35:39 Speaker 1: Okay. Okay. So we've got the me trying to get the word out via media.

35:45 Speaker 3: Yep.

35:46 Speaker 1: We had, I dropped a email to Robert Hastings, the author. UFOs and nukes author. Right. So he, long history of Air Force security police, nuke stories. I was like, all right, I was Air Force security police, not a nuke story, but here's something for you. He writes back with, you know, after a few weeks saying. Was he interested? He, yeah, I mean, it was, you know, he was, he had like guests or something. He had something going on. He really couldn't get to it. He eventually gets to it. And his response was, this is way over my head.

36:24 Speaker 1: I sent it to David Grush. So by that time I was like, oh, I had heard David's name, right? Knew he worked in Burleson's office. So I was like, fantastic. Um, I think I'm, you know, again, something probably I mentioned it to Jim Alrec, you know, we were talking all the time at that point. And, um, you know, somebody said to me, Oh, David's the guy. If anyone's going to know something about these, he's the technical guy. He's the guy advising, you know, the Congress on, you know, the technical side of these programs and blah, blah, blah.

37:03 Speaker 1: And, um, Thank you, Vern, dude. You know, my reply to Robert was, you know, thank you very much. You know, here's email address, phone number. Please pass along to David. You know, if he can give me 20 minutes, I can give him sort of my day to drop. And I'm happy to, you know, assist in any way on the things at least that I've found with him. Right?

37:30 Speaker 3: So David Grush, who's arguably... I would say right now, if you.

37:38 Speaker 1: Were to do a listing of.

37:43 Speaker 2: People of importance in the UFO community, Grush is Tom Brady, right? Not to boil it down to something like that, but he seems to be threading the needles where they need to be, right?

38:02 Speaker 3: Right.

38:03 Speaker 1: Or in my analogy, you know. Absolutely. So, you know, again,

38:13 Speaker 1: making the offer, you know, 20 minute conversation, whatever you can spare, just happy to data dump on you or anything like that. And, you know, and so I'm just kind of sitting back and waiting to see, you know, waiting for that to happen. Now I'm noticing that, my web analytics, I'm noticing my, my, uh, X account, you know, the, the weird accounts following, right. I'm looking at the, the weird accounts following you on X on X. Okay. Right. So, you know, I mean, I guess some people look at them as, as bots and things like that.

38:52 Speaker 1: I look at them a little bit differently because again, I come out of the Intel and, you know, um, The Intel community. You're looking at location. Not just, well, yeah, I mean, location, you know, there's, again, my wife's a Russian with an eye, with a, you know, yes, she's an opera singer. She's also a, holds a master's degree in IT engineering, specializing in AI and robotics. Mm-hmm. Right? Yeah, she's very smart. Yeah. And so, you know, between her and other people, we we, we know how to go deep into analytics.

39:30 Speaker 1: And so between both of them, now I'm seeing things that I describe as Intel community adjacent hits and an interest in patterns. Right. You know, most people don't access things from desktops.

39:46 Speaker 3: Right.

39:46 Speaker 1: So you start seeing desktops, accessing things first thing in the morning. You know, the Ashburn, Virginia, Maryland, you know, it's like, okay, there's, there's some eyes on this. Then on a, on a random Saturday morning is the FBI showed up at my house on again, what I call a fishing expedition, which again, no problem with I've talked to anybody anywhere I've you know spent my whole career in this world and in that world you know one of my closest colleagues in a inside shell was the former deputy director of the FBI for the Los Angeles office so I've been around many FBI intel counter intel yes you know over the course of my career so come to you weren't phased by it come to my house all day long it did say something but it said a lot it said an awful lot then.

40:54 Speaker 3: What was their reasoning for showing.

40:56 Speaker 1: Up so the the initial approach was about a private set a private public sector um information network that was stood up, you know, after nine 11 between, for the, you know, between the FBI and critical infrastructure industries. And I was a member of that. Oh, okay. 10 years ago. Okay. Interesting. And now I'm retired. Now you want to come do outreach for, and I wasn't even living in Massachusetts when I was a member, you know, I was a member of something else called the overseas security advisory council.

41:37 Speaker 3: So this wasn't a hostile visit.

41:39 Speaker 1: Which is run by the State Department.

41:40 Speaker 3: No, it's actually more warm and inviting where they can.

41:44 Speaker 1: Well, again, there's two of them. So they do the they do the friendly, engaging guy and the guy who's kind of standing back. But again, I know the guy standing back supposed to be standing back, but I pull him into the conversation, you know, so I'm doing my. Counter. you know, activities as I'm sitting there. Cause I'm, I'm just, you know, so, so, um, curious. Yeah. That's one way as to what they're, they're looking and, and, you know, and then I quickly switched to, you know, so what are you up to now?

42:19 Speaker 1: And I'm like, well, that's why I thought you were here. And I just start blabbing about, you know, what I'm up to now. And they said, Oh, there's a guy in our office and he deals with this stuff. And I was like, Tell him to go grab a six pack of Sam Adams. I get the backyard. I get the table, the grill. I'll fire up some steak tips. We'll smoke cigars, drink Sam Adams. And I'll talk to you about this all day long. I got nothing but time.

42:45 Speaker 3: So you told the FBI pull up and I'll tell you everything.

42:52 Speaker 1: Interesting. So then, so that was July, July. July, August. I think late July. Because it wasn't long after that. Yeah, I remember the visit. I remember you getting the visit. It wasn't long after that that they announced we're going to do a new round of hearings on September 9th, 2025. And George Knapp's going to testify about Russian UFO files he brought back. And Luna... was, you know, going to engage the Russians and wanted to know what the Russians knew and, you know, about UFOs and JFK. And I'm like, wow, that's a fucking coincidence.

43:41 Speaker 1: That's coincidence. You know, I mean, again, maybe I'm like, oh, maybe this stuff was on the agenda. And, you know, I tend not to believe in coincidence. Well, again, again, all things considered. And and I'm like, what the fuck is going on here? And why? And so then it was, you know, after that in September. So now mind you, we go to the September 9th hearing. Right. And the thread three documents are presented.

44:20 Speaker 3: Yeah.

44:21 Speaker 1: And I downloaded them right away. And I don't know. I know I've gone back.

44:27 Speaker 3: After.

44:28 Speaker 1: I have gone back since and I have not been able to find them on the congressional website. Really? I don't know if they're still there. I don't, like I said, I remember I grabbed them from the, from the, you know, from the, the, the, the committee page. Right. They were right there. Right. So that was like the ninth or whatever. So the next week I had gotten something through Hollywood Disclosure Alliance with all of the events. And there was an event in Las Vegas at a library where George Knapp was going to be speaking.

45:05 Speaker 1: So I was like, all right, I'll just go there then. I'll just hop on a plane. So myself, Natalia, our friend Arthur Wahlberg.

45:15 Speaker 3: I remember this trip.

45:16 Speaker 1: Right. So we went out there because I was like, I had run the comparison. I'm like, this is my father-in-law stuff is an engineered solution to this. part of what they're talking about here in the thread three work.

45:29 Speaker 3: Right.

45:30 Speaker 1: And I get the video where, you know, now it's funny during that thing, Natalia got up to speak and they cut off questions right before Natalia got to speak. And then, uh, and that's where I met Gino Gentile from Y files and the Jeremy Normie, uh, Nori, the filmmaker, documentary filmmaker. Um, and, uh, and so I was able to grab again, Five seconds with George where I just introduced myself. Shakan said, I, he's like, Oh yeah, the Russian files guy. How you doing?

46:01 Speaker 3: Good.

46:01 Speaker 1: Well, you know, I, the thread three stuff, it's a one for one comparison. He's like, I'd love to see that. Great. And I sent the, again, the, the map I buy it's on the, my ex thing, right. Created a map, paper trail, the paper trail, the paper trail and all the rest of it. And still, You know, and still nothing. Yeah. So now this is mid-September. Now we're getting into October. Now you tell me. On a random Monday. Columbus Day, actually. You tell me, hey, I'm going to meet up with Lou Elizondo.

46:45 Speaker 2: And I remember being like a little bit like, I remember having trepidations. towards it, but ultimately I knew it was going to be either a net positive for you or it was only a good thing for you. But I do remember being a little trepidatious about it. I believe he was in town because he was doing his little.

47:22 Speaker 1: His thing, right? He was in town to film something. Yeah. With some other people. Yeah.

47:29 Speaker 3: So you end up getting connected through his lawyer, Ivan Anil.

47:33 Speaker 1: All right.

47:34 Speaker 3: So set the scene. How do you sit down with Lou?

47:41 Speaker 2: Because you posted a picture on your ex and other places where it's you and Lou sitting side by side. I assume I'd like to, if whatever you want to leave out, That's more than okay.

47:54 Speaker 1: Yeah.

47:54 Speaker 3: But what happened?

47:57 Speaker 2: What led, how did you sit down with him and what did you guys talk about?

48:01 Speaker 1: Yeah. So, I mean, again, we, uh, I met him at his hotel. Um, we sat down at the little, uh, lounge bar area. Um, you know, we're going to have dinner and talk and, you know, probably spent the first hour just going, you know, as veterans do back and forth, you know, where were you? What did you do? Who do you know? Um, you know, there were, there were some, like, I've had the opportunity in my career. Like I worked with some guys who in intelligence and particularly in the UK are like true legends.

48:43 Speaker 1: Right. You know? Um, and you know, he was like, Oh wow. You know, I worked with them and they, you know, the one guy ran this company and, and stuff like that. So we, you know, that was the, the, the majority of it. Um, or that, you know, first hour or so, and again, eating dinner through all that. Um, and then, you know, he's finally like, he goes, yeah. So listen, I haven't said you're a good guy. I haven't, you know, and, and you had something interesting, you know, what is it you got going on?

49:12 Speaker 1: And I took out my phone and I handed them the phone, you know, brought up the slide. I was like, well, I said that now there's 119 pages of these things. So, you know, I'm not going to wait for you to go through them all. But, you know, as he's scrolling through them, I told him the story. And, you know, and he looked up and he goes, and you know what these are.

49:35 Speaker 3: So he's asking you, he's asking. Right. He's not rhetorically saying.

49:42 Speaker 1: Right.

49:43 Speaker 3: He's asking.

49:44 Speaker 1: You know what these are, right? Right. Okay. And I go, I know what they are. Do you know what they are? And he goes, I know what they are. And I was like, well, you know, what are they? And that's when he said, are you willing to get your clearance back and go into a skiff? red flag one that listen again that's got.

50:15 Speaker 2: In your head at least my head bing what do you mean get my clearance back and go into a skiff why why oh.

50:31 Speaker 1: I i mean again because i'm like well there's a there because i'm sitting there for and and i instantly said no and he's like.

50:38 Speaker 2: Really For the viewer that doesn't know, why would you say no? If Elizondo's asking you to get your clearance back, most people are going to be like, well, okay.

50:52 Speaker 1: Why would you say no? So the guttural instinct reaction to the no was that because I know all things die in the skiff.

51:02 Speaker 3: Right?

51:04 Speaker 1: And though... And listen, I'm not going to go so deep psychologically to try and assign intent to the question from his side of it. But again, it's processing this very quickly. And so I kind of knew already when I, when I brought these out, right. And my, my friend, buddy, Mario, you, you know, you got to meet him and talk to him too. Cause he, now he's way into the subject has been into this for forever in a day. He's the one that got me paranoid enough about, you know, dude, you got to just put these out.

51:57 Speaker 1: Don't give them to anybody. They'll kill you, you know, disappear, you know, right. He's given me all that. And I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. People have tried to kill me already. Thanks. I'm, you know, been there, didn't work. That's the least of my worries. Didn't work the first time. So when we, and I think you and I have talked about this, or we talked about it in the interviews, that as I realized these are most likely not the ramblings of a madman, that they have some sort of significance and value in If not to the general academic discourse and ufology, perhaps there's something that's beneficial to mankind in there.

52:49 Speaker 1: And this was the discussion we had because, again, this was him sending these to us for his grandsons. Did he did he want these published? Did he want them in the hands of the United States government? The guy was a diehard communist. Right. Card carrying, you know, Soviet. The family has a long history, you know, medals for labor. And the great the grandfather died in the Battle of Stalingrad. He's a, you know, a national hero. Really? You know, amongst the war dead of. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

53:27 Speaker 2: Yeah, so he was patriotic, but that also goes to show that he kept these because.

53:33 Speaker 1: He was so.

53:34 Speaker 2: And that's another one thing that stuck out to me is that attachment to the Soviet Union.

53:41 Speaker 1: Not to Russia, but the Soviet Union. Yeah, which we discover later on. Grider from X found his old social media, and he's calling Gorbachev a Judas, and... going off about the West and Israel and everything else. So we're like, Oh, okay. This guy did not like Russia. He did not like Putin. He didn't feel comfortable.

54:05 Speaker 2: So his patriotic duty wants this because say you're an American, right? And you're part of this super secretive program.

54:17 Speaker 3: To whatever degree.

54:17 Speaker 1: Right.

54:18 Speaker 3: And you have something, the United States falls.

54:22 Speaker 1: Right. Right. What do you do? Stick it up your bum.

54:27 Speaker 3: Fucking keep that shit as protected as possible.

54:30 Speaker 1: Right. Right.

54:31 Speaker 2: Because when the United States, you know, his idea is when the United States comes back.

54:38 Speaker 3: Right. When the USSR comes back, then we'll resume.

54:42 Speaker 1: Right.

54:43 Speaker 3: But Russia is not that.

54:44 Speaker 1: Right.

54:45 Speaker 3: So he chooses to then keep it with him. Yeah. Because that's the safest.

54:48 Speaker 1: Place at that point.

54:49 Speaker 3: Right.

54:50 Speaker 1: And, you know, I mean, and his girlfriend, you know, again, after we sort of start trying to elicit information from the family and things, you know, the girlfriend's talking about, oh yeah, he was followed by KGB. He was followed by FSB. Um, you know, again, KGB, I know what is FSB is the, uh, what follows the, the, the predecessor of the KGB, the Russian secrets, you know, secret security intelligence service. Okay. Um, So, yeah. So we, you know, so we had this thing now and, and, and so, you know, are we supposed to just keep these for our son as an interesting family heirloom that someday he might find interesting because we were talking about his interest in maybe being an aerospace engineer, but he was also, you know, 12 years old at the time.

55:40 Speaker 1: So, you know, shit changes. Yeah. But we, you know, we, we said, now, if there's something that, of significance in this that helps humanity, we need to put it out there and it needs to be made available. And so, you know, on that question, your camera just went out. Yeah. On that, um, on that question of why'd I say no, because yeah, number one, the skiff is where all things, uh, you know, can, can go to die. And, um, you know, I didn't want to see that happen. Now there's also in that consideration, you know, which again seemed to happen in milliseconds, but I processed a whole shitload of information in my head in that time.

56:30 Speaker 1: There's also that part of me that's like, Oh man, maybe if I do take it back and I do go in there, I'm going to find out exactly what this is. And, and maybe they, you know, maybe they even know who he is and what the program is or, you know, any, any number of things like that, you know, could be possible. And so am I missing the opportunity to just get my answer?

57:02 Speaker 3: Which brings up this, this critical question, trading, being compromised for the sake of, in your access, right?

57:21 Speaker 1: Right. So, I mean, you know, and, and, and again, the number of discussions that Talia and I, you know, had about this and, and I like to, I like to, you know, quote one of my favorite Pink Floyd songs, wish you were here. Right. You know, pardon me.

57:42 Speaker 2: I don't mean to divulge here. Have you ever asked yourself this question? I don't know if you should say this on air. I don't know if you ever have.

57:55 Speaker 3: The trajectory your son took, what he's currently doing, you don't find that interesting that he left it to him? What if he knew that only the younger generation would be able to handle it.

58:16 Speaker 1: There's with an unfiltered look. Yeah.

58:20 Speaker 3: But also have the connections to do something about it.

58:24 Speaker 1: Yeah. And yeah. And, and again, a lot of that, I kind of, I don't want to go on a too. Yeah. I mean, we can get into it a little bit because it is, it's interesting. It is interesting, particularly when, you know, you think about it's, you know, when you kind of think about how the universe organizes itself and whatnot. Right. Um, Because you got to remember, you know, he didn't, my father-in-law didn't know the extent of my background. Right. Natalia at that time didn't really know everything that, you know, subsequently has come forward.

59:02 Speaker 1: And that I've been able to talk about because my own sort of, you know, commitments ended and the, you know, the whistleblowing thing. you know, sort of, sort of took hold, but you know, that, that moment. And like I said, that consideration that we sort of made the family decision that this might be, there might be something more important to hear to disclosure, to humanity, um, So we're going to put it out. Right. And we're going to put it out unfiltered and make it as available as we can make it for that purpose.

59:40 Speaker 1: Because, again, I'm still believing all of these figures are truly searching for the truth and shit like that. Right. And. And that's where I come to that, you know, my my Pink Floyd wish you were here line, you know, where they say. Did you exchange a walk-on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? And I just, that has always, always hit me, right? That's brutal. Did you give up your integrity to be trapped by something else? is essentially what that's saying. What that boils down to, yeah.

1:00:29 Speaker 3: Right?

1:00:30 Speaker 1: Did you give up your role in the fight so that you could have a top position and have the attention and have those things, but you are caged in by that decision? Wow. And which would you rather have? So that idea that Did I miss an opportunity to get all of the answers that we wanted and then just sit back and go back to writing operas and producing shows and doing that stuff? Wild. Did I give all of that up to continue to not know the answer if the answer were truly there? And sort of

1:01:25 Speaker 1: get into all the stuff I've gone through, gone through since then, excuse me, where I'm at today. And, and, you know, realizing these, you know, all of these people are not who they, they claim to be, and they're not motivated in the ways that they like to present themselves. And, and exactly that this is, this is just as dirty a business as, as the oil and gas was. Um, but just, you know, just in a, in a different way, you know, and that's why I say both, you know, both of these experiences are really about, you know, this, this breaking down of, of, of secrecy and things like that.

1:02:06 Speaker 1: And so if I, you know, if I missed that opportunity by saying no, then again, I sort of got to give that up to the universe to be like, because maybe there's a bigger reason, a bigger reason, maybe there's, More to this.

1:02:22 Speaker 2: So, you instinctively say no to Lou. That's not even the interesting part.

1:02:28 Speaker 1: Right.

1:02:31 Speaker 3: So, what happens next?

1:02:35 Speaker 1: Put me there. Yeah, so, I mean, again, we're continuing the discussion, you know, who have I shown him to? Again, just going through the history, right? And so, when he's sort of talking about the the clearance and, and he's like, well, would you still be willing to talk to people, you know, Intel people? And this nice, yes, I'll talk to anybody. I said, listen, I don't need anybody to tell me anything. I can tell them stuff. Right. I can, because like I said, I'm, I'm looking at these things with the eye that, you know, is there something in here about what Russian weapons programs and has that been used?

1:03:11 Speaker 1: And, you know, just kind of, just kind of lay that, you know, and he's showing me on his phone and he's like, you know, I got, you know, he pulled up Tulsi Gabbard's, you know, contact card and, you know, showing how connected he is and shit. And in the course of that, and he's like, what about George Knapp? Have you talked to George Knapp? Oh, let me tell you that fucking.

1:03:30 Speaker 3: Story, which is why I included it already. Right. That everyone had the idea. Right. And so there's a, there's a method to my bad.

1:03:40 Speaker 1: Right. So, you know, he's got, the phone in his hand he showed me you know tulsi gabbard and you know other names and shit like that that are in it and you know what about george and and i'm like well let me tell you that fucking story you know and and again yeah i'm probably more boisterous in when the camera is not on with you know my hand flailing yeah you know he's definitely italian yeah right and um And he's like, what? He goes, he didn't talk. I was like, no. I said, you know, he kind of pinged and took information and I couldn't get an answer out of the guy in this.

1:04:15 Speaker 1: Now, you know, and he's like, he goes, he goes, I'll call him. He goes, George works for me. I'll call him. Do you want me to call him right now? And I was like, no, I don't need you to call him right now. Whoa. Pump the brakes. Right.

1:04:31 Speaker 2: And you had told me this again. I. way before it ever came out.

1:04:39 Speaker 1: Probably not. I'm pretty sure I told you right afterwards because I thought it was a strange thing and I didn't understand the context. You did not, but you did, but.

1:04:51 Speaker 2: You did, but you were like, wait a second.

1:04:54 Speaker 3: This you're like, this happens here.

1:04:59 Speaker 1: Because again, sometimes, you know, in, in, on the law enforcement side of the thing, on the interrogation side of the thing, that's called a spontaneous utterance. When somebody makes a spontaneous utterance, you do not stop them and focus in on zero in on it. You continue to let them talk.

1:05:18 Speaker 3: Yes.

1:05:19 Speaker 1: And you let it go and you come back to it some other time. Yes. And that's exactly. So, you know, and, and that's what for, for, you know, I'll pontificate for a moment if you'll allow. Yes. That's why I say when the people who have wanted to be, who have been critical and say, Oh, we would never say that. And Lou saying, I would never say that. And you know, whatever, which again.

1:05:47 Speaker 3: Which is what happens after, which is right, which.

1:05:49 Speaker 1: Is kind of a weird thing anyway, to, to then feel like you have to say something about it because who the fuck am I?

1:05:56 Speaker 3: Right. If that's the real case, yes.

1:05:59 Speaker 1: But again, I've had almost 30, up to the day of that meeting, I have had almost 30 years between Air Force security and intelligence and international global investigations. I have talked with terrorists i have talked with mafia russian mafia guys i have talked to nigerian militants and yeah been part interrogations i have sat in on kidnapping negotiations and you know i'll remember like you told me about your bad day at the office the other day yeah shut up.

1:06:43 Speaker 3: By the way, apparently I had a great day at the office.

1:06:47 Speaker 1: Right. When I gave him a comparison of one of my days.

1:06:52 Speaker 2: It gave me a little trepidation that you came up with that so quickly. I was like, ah, you painted real hell quickly.

1:06:59 Speaker 1: Right, right. This is a day of hell. There's something wrong with you.

1:07:03 Speaker 3: How quick you pulled that.

1:07:05 Speaker 1: Right. Because again, it lives with me constantly. So Through those years and through those events, through those decades of me being in this line of work where what you hear and what you recall really matters. Matters has life and death consequences. Matters because that spontaneous utterance somebody makes when they're in the back of your patrol car you know, as an air force cop and you're transporting them and they make a spontaneous utterance, that's, you're going to have to talk about that in front of a judge, right?

1:07:51 Speaker 1: There's, there's real consequence. And, and this was the thing that amused me and, you know, yeah, I guess pissed me off to a degree when, you know it's, it's the questioning, right? So just like being a, you know, professional observer, as I say, I'm a professional listener, but, and, and in my career, in the things that I've done in the places I've been that have not always had the cover of somebody else to come in and save me. Right. Right. The ability to recount and re-communicate and, and, know the difference between what i think i hear what i'm not sure i hear and what i know i hear.

1:08:43 Speaker 2: No you you were adamant about what you heard right and and you told me pretty fresh off the conversation so when i had heard that i went wait a second now the implications of this is, are, because finish what you're going to say.

1:09:05 Speaker 1: Right. I mean, and again, not assigning intent, not assigning meaning to it.

1:09:11 Speaker 3: You don't have to.

1:09:11 Speaker 1: I can. Listen, I can make a structural argument for why that's 100% true statement right even if there's no paycheck in w2 being exchanged structurally there's a there's a very you know strong strong uh uh straw man i can put together yes that that builds a a defensible case.

1:09:38 Speaker 3: And going back to things like what richard dodie did or right what osi did or project mocking uh project mockingbird embedding.

1:09:51 Speaker 2: So who would you go to if you wanted to shape a narrative? Who would you, who's, who would you implore to help you do this? One of the most trusted journalists.

1:10:07 Speaker 1: I mean, again, this was, you know, not my first rodeo. Yeah. Right. What, you know, in.

1:10:14 Speaker 3: My broke the Bob Lazar story.

1:10:17 Speaker 1: Yeah. Right.

1:10:18 Speaker 3: In the 1980s has gone on.

1:10:20 Speaker 2: He's already he was an award winning reporter before that. And let's face it, guys. He had this. It's kind of weird because he's always been adamant that they had the A-tip story before the New York Times, but chose to allow the New York Times.

1:10:45 Speaker 3: To do the story. because it would have far more impact. And he decided that he was close to all SAP.

1:10:53 Speaker 1: Yeah.

1:10:55 Speaker 3: But what if that's not exactly the case?

1:10:59 Speaker 1: I mean, again, and be honest, I've never looked into that chain of events on, on the car.

1:11:03 Speaker 3: No one asked that question. Right.

1:11:05 Speaker 1: But, but what I can tell you is in my own experience and in my own background, I've, I've worked the press. I've done things. through the press to communicate my messages. Yeah. And, and, you know, again, it's, and I would say, you know, online, you know, on a.

1:11:27 Speaker 3: It's also easy cover. Yeah.

1:11:29 Speaker 1: It's a very easy cover. On spaces and things like that, you know, sometimes, you know, you look at the space and sometimes people are like, oh, there's only 25 people in here. And, you know, there's 10, 10 people listening anonymously in the background. I said, well... be honest with you i'm not talking to the 25 people in this room i'm hoping that one person yeah that i this message is really intended for is sitting there in the you know in the back anonymous section anonymous section exactly you need to uh come into focus you're out of focus for some reason nobody touched cameras all right there you go um So, yeah.

1:12:06 Speaker 1: So, I mean, you know, collectively, so the idea of, you know, how the press and and again, I think there was even for myself at that time, plenty of question about this, you know, this disclosure pipeline. Right. How do how do the people that are coming, you know, it's like they're they're walking to the inspector general's office, giving their statement, told what they can say and then, you know, being put on a conference call with Corbella Knapp. to, to, you know, bring the, you know, bring the story public.

1:12:42 Speaker 1: I'm like, how, how does that happen? Why? Because again, every branch of government, right. Has an inspector general's office. Now I got to look, I can't pretend I'm looking at you anymore. If you go, Oh, geez, thanks. That was pretty good. How, you know, every branch has an, it has an inspector general's office, right? The entire federal government has a whistleblower program. It's not exclusive to, to UAPs, 90% of the time it's some boring shit out of the Bureau of Land Management and stuff like that.

1:13:19 Speaker 1: And I'm like, why is this handled so differently? So incredibly differently. And when it comes to... And even other cases... that have bypassed, let's say, the inspector general process and somebody's gone straight to the New York Times to blow the whistle on something. Granted, before the whistleblower processes were all established. But these were the questions that sort of gnawed at me. I'm like, why this? Why is it so different? Why is it run in such a very specific way Um, and, you know, and, and, you know, looking at and, and examining, you know, the terms, I mean, you know, terms like controlled disclosure and disclosure, those are, those are terms of art in the intelligence community, right?

1:14:19 Speaker 1: It wasn't created, you know, for this, it exists. And there's, you know, when you go from controlled trans, you go from controlled disclosure to transition by design and, uh, you know, and, and back in, probably August, September, October last year, I was talking about what transition by design means. And transition by design means you're going to start seeing the embedding of the issue, the normalization of the issue within the government institutions. As it matures, you're going to start seeing our allies mirroring and using similar language and doing similar things.

1:14:59 Speaker 1: That is all indicative that control disclosure has become unmanageable and oversaturated. And they've shifted gears into transition, you know, transition by design. And so I'm talking and then I'm seeing it happen. Right. I'm recognizing nobody's fucking paying attention to anything. You know, I'm talking about never mind anything. Everybody's distracted by whatever the next shiny thing coming out is. Right. Um, so I'm like, nah, this, there's a lot more going on here than anybody is saying in anybody's talking about.

1:15:35 Speaker 1: And then the more I started talking about it, um, the more I started finding people being like, you know, essentially the old, um, the old, oh yeah, you're, uh, you're saying, you're saying the things that I've always been thinking. Yeah. I'm like, well, there you go. That's right. I mean, I used to tell people in travel security briefings that, hold on, I'll get you. My ghost. Yeah. You know, I used to tell people in travel security briefings, right? Everybody, everyone I had to interview after they got violently assaulted and robbed, right?

1:16:22 Speaker 1: They all say the same thing. They're like, man, I knew it was going to happen. I knew it. I had a gut instinct. I knew it. And I'm like, you should have followed that gut instinct. Well, so in the same way in this space, when you have the gut instinct, you know, I'll tell you my first lesson in intelligence. I might've said it before, but it's worth talking about. The guy I was working for was an old Mexico City station chief for the CIA. And he handed me this scenario. He said, you're walking through a wide open field And in the middle of the field, there is an old wooden fence post.

1:17:00 Speaker 1: And on top of that fence post, there is a turtle.

1:17:04 Speaker 2: Right?

1:17:08 Speaker 1: Okay. He said, what are you thinking? Where does your mind go? Why the fuck is that turtle on the fence post? Why is it there? Right? How to get there? How to get there. Right? Pretty much what I was doing. I went right into sort of what I had learned in the Air Force, you know, sort of investigative steps. Right? I need to figure out why, you know, that's weird. I need to figure out why it's there and all the rest of it. Right? And what he said, he goes, he said, you're in a different world now.

1:17:48 Speaker 1: He said, all you have to do now is take note of it and think to yourself, something's fucking wrong. Every step I take from now on needs to be informed by the idea. Something's fucking wrong. Right. But you don't stop. You don't waste time. You have to continue moving on or you're going to blow your cover. You're going to, you know, any of those.

1:18:15 Speaker 2: So you're using these kind of outer, you're, you're going into these, meetings with people like Lou with this mindset of being able to kind of discern when you're being worked.

1:18:36 Speaker 1: And I wouldn't even say I'm going into any of this with that idea, right? I'm not psyching myself up. I'm not like, okay, I gotta look for this i gotta look for.

1:18:48 Speaker 3: That no you're just trained to do these things it's second nature.

1:18:51 Speaker 1: It's instinct now yeah now it's instinct that's how it's.

1:18:56 Speaker 2: A good instinct to do it's a good instinct to have to be able to suss things out like that so when you're hearing him say george works for me

1:19:08 Speaker 2: Do you realize what that inherently would mean?

1:19:14 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, in that moment.

1:19:18 Speaker 3: Not in that moment, but grand picture.

1:19:20 Speaker 1: Well, grand picture. I mean, it just sort of fills the blank in on what I was already describing as the disclosure pipeline. Right.

1:19:31 Speaker 2: But why do you think that George responded differently? calling you a knucklehead why do you think that um so so the you had not mentioned this conversation publicly.

1:19:49 Speaker 1: For a while i i right you know i how did it get to george so i did an interview with patrick from vetted okay right Same thing. Oh, and you gave him a bombshell? No, not even.

1:20:06 Speaker 3: Did he title it Bombshell?

1:20:08 Speaker 1: Ultimately, yeah. No, what, you know, he was... We're friends with Patrick. We were just talking, you know, again, he's interested in my father-in-law's work. Gino from Y-Files sort of stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Our buddy Gino. Because, again, remember, I was supposed to do... the basement back in January. Yeah. But Natalia got suspiciously sick. That's a whole other story. Which I actually have on camera. Yeah.

1:20:38 Speaker 3: From when you told Wenville. So I was thinking about editing it together.

1:20:42 Speaker 1: Yeah.

1:20:42 Speaker 3: Because we even have the footage of it.

1:20:44 Speaker 1: Yeah. In it.

1:20:45 Speaker 3: Yeah.

1:20:45 Speaker 1: And you can share that. I mean, I've shared it. That's why I was waiting to get you okay. Some people were like, you know, I know I shared it in some chats and people were like, oh, is this?

1:20:53 Speaker 3: It's only me filming the phones. It's not like you can see it.

1:20:56 Speaker 1: Yeah. Dead to right. Yeah. Unless you want to share that. Where was I?

1:21:01 Speaker 4: The.

1:21:03 Speaker 1: Fuck. Why did we do this? Why did I do that? Chat, where were we? Where were we? We were at....

1:21:13 Speaker 4: I had.

1:21:14 Speaker 3: The Disclosure Pipeline.

1:21:16 Speaker 1: The Disclosure Pipeline. Jesus Christ. That we got... Oh, vetted. Yeah, vetted. Vetted. So, right. So Gino, Gino, you know, we had already sort of met several times, you know, in person, on the phone, things like that. Leading up to that, I never ended up doing it. But yeah, so he's the one that sort of said to Patrick, oh yeah, you know, you guys. And then I think we did the round table. Yeah, we did the, yeah, we did that. Vito and Joe from UAP reporting center. Yeah. So that's, you know, where sort of that connection came from.

1:21:53 Speaker 1: So we did like, you know, basically like an hour about my father-in-law stuff. And then, you know, as anyone that does these know some of these systems, you got to kind of hang on afterwards for a while while the recordings finish up. And so you just sit in there bullshitting, um, you know, and discussion came around to, you know, sort of, you know, having met Lou and, and I think maybe even the disclosure tonight thing where, you know, I popped on with him during dinner, you know, while we were sitting there and stuff.

1:22:22 Speaker 1: And, um, And again, I said, yeah, thanks for giving me that. And he was like, and he was like, you know, how was I? So good. I said, you know, the only the only strange thing that happened was this statement. He's like, really? I was like, yeah. And I said, but, you know, I just kind of put it in my back pocket and whatnot. And then the next morning he was like, he goes, do you mind getting on again? He goes, I just want to dive into that. I've been thinking about it. And that turned into three hours of.

1:22:54 Speaker 3: Because the implication is massive, massive. So if you don't mind, I.

1:23:03 Speaker 1: Want to play.

1:23:04 Speaker 2: I want to play the video of Jeremy response, Jeremy.

1:23:13 Speaker 3: And by the way, I want to say this real quickly. Is the camera on me? Yeah.

1:23:18 Speaker 1: Jeremy. Jeremy. We've heard many, many things.

1:23:31 Speaker 2: And if you want to go there, we can go there. So don't go calling.

1:23:38 Speaker 3: Out the producer of Total Disclosure and not expecting some kickback. Because Lord knows you do not have a clean background.

1:23:52 Speaker 1: Right. And Lord knows I'm I've been, I'm in the orbit. Um, you want to, one of the other funny things. And again, you can look into this. Anybody else can check. Right. And I'd love somebody to check. I will. All right. Cause this was something that came out of, this is another bombshell that came out of bombshell bombshell that came out of the Lou Elizondo meeting. Okay. So I've, I've, I've never made any, um, There's no, there's no illusions of that. You know, I think Corbett, as I always say, I think he's probably, you know, super sweet guy, you know, probably fun to hang out with, shoot the shit and all the rest of it.

1:24:39 Speaker 1: He's no journalist. You know, if you offered him a beekeeping show on home and garden TV, he would, you know, drop this like a hot potato. He wants to be famous and, you know, have attention and shit. And so during the, when I was sitting there with Lou expressing my, unimpressiveness with him and, and, you know, tell him, I said, I go, you know, one of the cringiest things was like that video of him getting up and hugging you. Like, like he was a bro. And, you know, I said, it just like, I felt the, the uncomfortableness, the tension or the dude, why are you fucking hugging me?

1:25:17 Speaker 1: Kind of, kind of thing. Right.

1:25:19 Speaker 3: You told the truth.

1:25:21 Speaker 1: Right. You told the truth. And, and at that time, the way I always, I was at that hearing. I know. Yeah. My, my first impression of Corbell was that he, he had, he adopted the military veteran avatar, right? Yes. That he got the, he got the high and tight. He got, you know, the, the neatly trimmed beard. He is every. Tattoos on the arm. Well, I mean, he's had those for a while, but, but, but right. But again, when you, when you look at, when you look at his self-branding and the things through the years, you see that.

1:26:00 Speaker 1: You see he tries to- You.

1:26:01 Speaker 3: See in his military, I get it.

1:26:04 Speaker 1: Right, like when he was the fashion photographer, he was cool in the hair and da, da, da, da, da. Now he looks like every veteran-owned coffee company and every veteran-owned CEO of a t-shirt company avatar, right? Yeah. but that's what i'm saying you know i mean he he adopted that operator veteran look and he was wearing you know and then he was wearing all the military t-shirts he had his paris island t-shirt and shit like that right yeah and i said to lou during that meeting i said you know and that's the other thing again it's a little bit of stolen valor he's you know he's he's filling this avatar role like he's an operator and he's an insider and he's doing this and that i said and he's you know and he's got his little backpack is you know duffel bag simulation backpack which we've heard about yeah right he doesn't doesn't leave it alone yeah and that was in did you see the bigfoot video at the dance party no bigfoot did a video and it's like a like i'm dancing with dr phil And he's got all the club going on.

1:27:18 Speaker 1: Gary Nolan's there fucking leading the dancing and shit. I'm sure he is. And Korbel is like sitting in the booth with the bag on his lap.

1:27:26 Speaker 3: That's a.

1:27:27 Speaker 1: And I'm like.

1:27:28 Speaker 3: Shout out Bigfoot. That is a deep cut Easter egg.

1:27:32 Speaker 1: That is super deep cut Easter egg.

1:27:34 Speaker 3: I'm not sure how you know that, but that's a deep cut Easter egg. Because he treats it like it's a nuclear football.

1:27:41 Speaker 1: Right. So this was my whole thing. I'm like, You know, he's this avatar.

1:27:48 Speaker 3: I don't think you could say stolen valor legally.

1:27:51 Speaker 1: Because he's not... No, he's not claiming... Right, correct. Yes, he's not claiming that he is a veteran or whatever. That's why I say he's an avatar.

1:27:59 Speaker 3: But he's networking almost exclusively with. Military insiders right that's his gig.

1:28:07 Speaker 1: So there's you know there's a certain you know comfort level that that that comes with that right right you know my my beard and stuff like that right why you know why did i wind up shaping it like that well because number one nothing grew on the side of my cheeks and things like that but we were doing the opera stuff and i'm like what's more dramatic than the handlebar mustache and you know the vincent price kind of you know master of ceremonies you know impresario kind of it's the brand for the opera stuff that you know and it just happens to kind of work too yeah you're the only person my daughter said you know for all the wasted years of me with no facial.

1:28:48 Speaker 3: Hair you're the only person I've ever seen it like.

1:28:51 Speaker 2: It just inherent you know how like some guys in Boston wear scally caps and it like inherently works Yeah. And then I put one on and it makes me look like I'm a little English boy.

1:29:05 Speaker 1: Right. Right. Yeah. Oliver Twist. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah.

1:29:08 Speaker 2: So for some reason, it just works well with you.

1:29:14 Speaker 1: Because that's what when I started, I was like, I just want to go. Yeah. You're a fucking villain. So so I was, you know, going off on similar tangent about the avatar look and everything. I'm like, so tell them to stop wearing fucking military T-shirts at least. if he's going to pretend so that nobody gets confused and shit like that. The next time Korbel was on the next weaponized episode or whatever, he was in a black collared shirt and I've not seen him since wearing the Paris Island or any other kind of military related t-shirt.

1:29:53 Speaker 1: Interesting. Again, coincidence. I don't know. And maybe I'm wrong because again, I don't, like watch everything. I'll have to go back and look. But I was like, yeah, that, that the, the, the Paris Island shirt dissipate. Now, maybe I'm sure we'll bring it back just to spite me now, but. Well, let's see.

1:30:11 Speaker 3: Let's see. Let's, let's play a little of a, you know, like when you talk to your phone and you try to get it to show you ads, like show me a baseball. I need a baseball mitt.

1:30:22 Speaker 2: But yeah, let me play.

1:30:27 Speaker 1: Let me play this. So this is them. This is from your page. And the other thing they should go out online and. You hear that? Yeah, I bet that safe is full of patchouli incense. Yeah, there's nothing in there.

1:30:43 Speaker 3: He he showed us he buried his things in the in the wild and then dug them up and like.

1:30:51 Speaker 1: Bought a three thousand dollar safe.

1:30:52 Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh, my God. Is this on the screen?

1:31:01 Speaker 1: Yeah, I can see. And you know, I was surprised I saw him at contact. He didn't talk to me, but I saw him out of contact. He's like five foot two or some shit. He's like, Hey, Hey. Yeah. Yeah. He's like, he's like tie size.

1:31:12 Speaker 3: Shut up. There's nothing wrong with that. No, but I did.

1:31:17 Speaker 1: Yeah. Anyway.

1:31:18 Speaker 3: So what this is, is this an episode of weaponized?

1:31:22 Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess this is the, this is the new season. They like to call it taking a break, but, Like I said, we're just all part of a reality show and we don't realize it. So this was the kickoff to the new season of the reality show we're all living in and participating in.

1:31:38 Speaker 3: Okay, okay, okay. So, well, okay, welcome back, guys. Here is Jeremy Corbell bringing up. So after you went public, you.

1:31:49 Speaker 2: Did the vetted interview, it gets to George that somehow we can infer whether it was someone like Lou but I haven't seen the clip yet so.

1:32:02 Speaker 6: You know there's these accusations that go out online and I notoriously don't read it and respond to it I don't even give it the time of day but sometimes they grow so I saw that thing about you that you work for Lou Elizondo I mean that's that's ridiculous and I think Lou probably reached out to you right after like I never said that.

1:32:20 Speaker 1: Yeah he says I didn't say it I never said anything of the kind I didn't mention your name to that knucklehead And it's not true, obviously, but things have a way of picking up steam.

1:32:30 Speaker 3: Wait a second.

1:32:32 Speaker 1: They don't actually name you.

1:32:34 Speaker 3: No. They say it's an internet rumor, but they know exactly who started it insinuating you're a knucklehead, you, not the internet.

1:32:48 Speaker 1: So their fans slash apologists instantly start sharing, you know, oh, he's talking about Gene Stiggo. He is disclosed. He's a liar. I've never. And some of them, I laugh. Somebody's like, I never saw one piece of evidence from Gene Stiggo that Luzardo said. Evidence? You never saw one piece of evidence. How? Fuck it. It was like the time I posted something, a comment on Corbell's page. And somebody, you know, called me a grifter. I'm like, I'm not selling t-shirts and $ 12, you know, coffee mugs, motherfucker.

1:33:33 Speaker 3: Yeah. Right.

1:33:34 Speaker 1: How rich evidence you're, you're, you, you, you want to see physical evidence for me. You want to see a transcript or hear a recording from me, you know, in defense of these fucking people. Right. Oh, fuck yourself. Right. Right.

1:33:53 Speaker 3: And, and, There is no paper trail to a conversation.

1:33:59 Speaker 1: So again, you're correct.

1:34:02 Speaker 3: What we're doing is we are taking you at your word and you've established why your word is credible.

1:34:13 Speaker 1: You've established that. You asked the question earlier, right? Why would they even say something? Right.

1:34:19 Speaker 3: Right.

1:34:21 Speaker 2: Why, if guys who, for, by the way, Jerry and I, I'm sorry, I'm getting riled up now. Cause it, for them to have called you this and, and insinuated this in front of, you know, others knowing what we know about them. Like don't fucking start throwing stones. Well, don't cause you're not going to like where it goes.

1:34:47 Speaker 3: Yeah.

1:34:48 Speaker 1: You know, so, and, and, and there's, you know, for me, there was the several aspects of, and I was on a plane, I was on a plane from, uh, coming from Colorado, you know, so I just got airplane wifi to sort of watch this unfold. And so when I hit the ground, you know, you hit it, run it. Yeah. Poor Nathalia, you know, wanted to go home and, and, you know, you're like, um, I've been, yeah. And I'm like, I got some shit to say. I got, I've been, and, and, you know, I went home, I opened a space and, and, and all the rest of it.

1:35:16 Speaker 1: So, You know, that question, why even address it?

1:35:23 Speaker 2: And by the way, Corbell is one of these guys who says, I don't look at social media.

1:35:30 Speaker 1: I don't look at social media. And who am I? Who knows me? So here's the answer. Clearly, by admission by George. We'll break that down next.

1:35:42 Speaker 3: Yeah.

1:35:43 Speaker 1: Right. But just just for that number one, just to answer that core question. Right. Why? Because when containment no longer works, you have to attack credibility. Yes. That is that is the playbook.

1:35:58 Speaker 3: That's actually it's it's literally deaf definition.

1:36:02 Speaker 1: Play definition play definition playbook.

1:36:05 Speaker 3: Like it's it's all the smell.

1:36:06 Speaker 1: So it was it was almost a shot across the bow to an to an extent of. you know, again, the, as, as I've said, you know, you wanted to play the game, I'll play the game. And maybe this was a little, Oh, if you want to play the game now, we're going to show you how the game is played. You know, again, let's do it.

1:36:26 Speaker 3: They certainly have a bigger audience reach, but they don't have a bigger.

1:36:32 Speaker 1: Well, and again, for me, you know, these are all timestamps, right? History, history will flush this all out. Yeah. Undoubtedly.

1:36:42 Speaker 3: Yeah.

1:36:42 Speaker 1: Right? I might not be around to see it, but history will flush it out, right? But, you know, one of my initial, you know, response, again, as I laid out earlier, you know, in our conversation about, you know, listening and that my career always dealt in very real consequences, very real immediate consequences. There weren't any you know, shadow mystery organizations, you know, shit like that. Um, it was real and it was, if there was going to be a consequence, it was real and it was fast. Yeah. Number one.

1:37:25 Speaker 1: And, you know, number two, again, the, you know, the, the knucklehead comment and listen, I've been called, you know, Natalia calls me a lot worse, right? Um, and that's in bed. That's right. Just kidding guys. Well, not really, but,

1:37:43 Speaker 1: You know, it's the idea that don't forget, I am also a veteran. I'm also a disabled veteran. I'm also served in conflict areas through my career, right? I spent my career in service to the country, right? I sacrificed my kids. My older children, my family, you know, I've gone through three wives because of the stress on the family of the things that I was doing in the name of national security and energy security. Yeah.

1:38:29 Speaker 3: It's not conductive to a healthy family environment.

1:38:32 Speaker 1: Not not not at all right it's it's up.

1:38:35 Speaker 3: There with like number one divorce right well i mean you know i just military in general yeah.

1:38:40 Speaker 1: I mean and and again you know having you know the the lives, you know, the life of half truths and half information that, you know, you can, you can only give the, you know, the story I told you about, you know, sort of, you know, a 72 hour period where there's a bombing of a residential compound in a foreign nation. Now I've got a charter aircraft. I've got a, you know, sort visas. I've got, you know, all of these things to do to get people out of a nation, you know, under slipping into turmoil.

1:39:16 Speaker 1: Yeah.

1:39:16 Speaker 3: Right.

1:39:17 Speaker 1: In one part of the country. And, you know, I, I never forget. It was like, I was, I mean, I probably worked 20 hours, you know, the, the first day of it. Um, and then was like heading home and get the phone call about that in another part of the country and the more, let's say stable part of the country, you know, as we're trying to evacuate people, some guy, you know, his daughter is on holiday from university and he brings her over and she's raped and murdered in the bathtub of their house on the second day that she's there.

1:40:01 Speaker 1: And it's like, dude, I'm evacuating the fucking country and, yeah, you're not right there. You don't have to be evacuated, but obviously not a good time to bring your kid over. And now your kid is dead. And I've got to deal with all of that because, you know, if you've never tried to get bodies out of countries, right. A lot of paperwork to say the least. Yeah. Right. And I'm heading now I'm heading home after, you know, having, been out half the night you know the night before working this core issue right finally feel like all right i can go have a decent meal and and try and fucking get some how.

1:40:47 Speaker 3: The fuck do you have a decent meal after that right because that's you compartmentalize it.

1:40:52 Speaker 1: You compartmentalize right i gotta you know i gotta.

1:40:54 Speaker 3: I wouldn't be able to eat for four weeks.

1:40:56 Speaker 1: I gotta i got a wife and and uh and a toddler you know at.

1:41:01 Speaker 2: Home so this establishes not only the fact that Again, you saw these things like you're someone who's been in the trenches of these. God forsaken lands that I've seen real bad days, bad weeks.

1:41:20 Speaker 3: Right.

1:41:21 Speaker 1: And then you got these guys. You know, and again, not to listen, you know, Lou, Dave, they served in war zones and shit like that. And you don't take anything away from that. No, no, no. But on the same token. Let me just finish because on the same token, there is a, there is a, an orchestrated chaos to war.

1:41:43 Speaker 3: Yeah.

1:41:43 Speaker 1: That, that people don't really realize. Yeah. And you know, it's one thing, it's one thing when your job is, you know, go out in the field and talk to people and collect information and you have the full weight and force of the United States army sitting in weight, that's going to send helicopters to get you, uh, you know, if, if, if something goes tits up, right. That's, that's one scenario. There's another scenario to be on your own. Well, you're there under false pretenses. Or you were right.

1:42:18 Speaker 1: You're somewhere or, or you're just, you're just there on your own. And there's, there's no, there's no Calvary coming to rescue you when shit goes tits up. Yeah. And in fact, if they do.

1:42:31 Speaker 3: It's a different game at all for, for, for, For so many reasons. For so many reasons.

1:42:39 Speaker 1: You're not in.

1:42:39 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I wasn't taking away from Lou specifically.

1:42:48 Speaker 2: I know he did a lot of shit and saw a lot of stuff, good and bad, but bad mostly. Anyway, what I was getting to was the guys that have just dismissed your your background and that pisses me off but my question being getting back to all this when Lou says this to you how does he say it does he say it like matter of fact does.

1:43:17 Speaker 1: He say it I mean again just like I demonstrated and and you know the best technical term I can use is spontaneous utterance right so it wasn't a big it wasn't a big dramatized moment it wasn't a big I'm going to tell you the secret. It was in the heat of the exchange.

1:43:40 Speaker 3: He just offered that up.

1:43:42 Speaker 1: It just comes out.

1:43:46 Speaker 3: Do you think that he was trying to show you that he had control?

1:43:49 Speaker 1: Maybe. Again, I don't assign meaning or intent.

1:43:57 Speaker 2: Counterintel, again, is like it's second nature for you. It's also second nature for him. And he's a guy who's gone on record. He's not shy about saying, I am a counter Intel guy who was tasked with a mission and I had to leave my Pentagon job and to complete that mission.

1:44:20 Speaker 3: And, but I, I, I'm, I was asked to apply my skillset.

1:44:24 Speaker 1: Right. He, he's saying everything.

1:44:27 Speaker 3: I was, I was asked to apply my skillset to the UFO community. what do you think that means?

1:44:33 Speaker 1: Right. And, and again, you know, listen, the, the, the best of the best slip up, right. The, the, the best of the best, but he seems to slip up, make a, make a misstep every now and then like showing irrigation circles, whatever, whatever other things there are, you know, stand on their own, you know? So, and, and that's, that's ultimately where I landed on this and, and communicated it that night. Um, I opened up a space and ask me anything space. And I sat there, I said, I'm over there for everybody who had a comment, whoever, everyone who had a smart ass comment theory, here I am.

1:45:19 Speaker 1: Come ask me happy to talk about it. Right. Happy, happy to share it. And, and, you know, precursing it with just like everything, that I laid out, right? So, you know, I don't assign meaning to it. I don't assign intent. I just describe it as, you know, a spontaneous utterance. And, you know, in many ways, and I've talked about it, I don't know how many times for me, no information is bad information, right? And you put stuff in your back pocket and you see, is it a puzzle piece that's missing somewhere down the road?

1:46:07 Speaker 3: Right. Right.

1:46:08 Speaker 1: I have no, whether, you know, I have, if they, they informally, formally W2 is what, I don't know. I don't particularly care because again, structurally there's a, there's an argument, you know, to be made that, that, you know, interpretively. Um, so, you know, but the idea that, you know, worst case, I, I made something up, you know, best case I misheard, right. I'm just laying out why that's not the case, you know, why I am so adamant that that is not the case.

1:46:57 Speaker 3: So you're saying that it was 100% said?

1:47:00 Speaker 1: 100%.

1:47:01 Speaker 3: 100% said.

1:47:03 Speaker 1: He'd have been better served saying, I don't remember saying that, and I don't know, and perhaps Gene misheard me, perhaps. But for him to adamantly say, I did not say that. Again, what George is saying, that I never even brought up your name to him, well, that's not true. That's not true because you asked me if he had seen it. Right. Right. And the public can tell that that's not true because everybody, every interview I have ever done from day one, the first name everybody brings up is George Knapp seeing this.

1:47:49 Speaker 1: Yes. Right. This first one I brought up. So it would only be natural that Lou. sorting through, you know, who should see this and things like that. And then if, you know, if George correctly conveyed the conversation between he and Lou, if Lou said in that conversation, I never even brought your name up to that knucklehead, then that in and of itself is also a lie right so again shows you.

1:48:27 Speaker 3: Kind of exactly the game.

1:48:30 Speaker 1: Right and and you know and and the last piece of this is you know the the the current case that I'm in, you know, I, I provided testimony to that went up to the UK Supreme court. And, and there was even another decision that came out yesterday. That's another sort of shot against shell. And, and, and this thing is, is, um, uh, you know, setting legal, legal, international legal precedents. Right. And again, I'm not, Trying to say that I'm center to all of it and it's all because of me or whatever.

1:49:08 Speaker 1: I provide a testimony that fit along with many of the things that gave direction on where things to look. And this will all work itself out in court. But the idea being that I recalled when I gave that testimony, I was seven, eight years out of the position that I was in that I gave testimony about that testimony was challenged through the entire court system of the United Kingdom. Okay. All the way to the Supreme court where the Supreme court said that is relevant and it's, um, you know, essentially proven because what I said, they found the documents for, and they found everything right.

1:50:03 Speaker 1: And, and, and allowed this, this case to, to go forward. So that was eight years. So imagine if I'm just recalling something, a couple of months, less than six months ago or eight months ago, whatever it is.

1:50:19 Speaker 2: You told me right within maybe hours to a day.

1:50:24 Speaker 3: Yeah.

1:50:25 Speaker 2: So, your memory was that fresh because I knew about this way before it went up.

1:50:33 Speaker 3: And I, the reason, and I want to bring something up.

1:50:38 Speaker 2: Because this is another weird aspect of this. You were pretty friendly with Lou for a while. And then there's, are, have you said this yet? It was just kind of like weird.

1:50:53 Speaker 1: Oh, the breakup text.

1:50:54 Speaker 3: Yeah.

1:50:54 Speaker 1: Have you talked about this? No, I think I mentioned it on Patrick's thing. Are you willing to? Yeah. Okay. I mean, again, I thought.

1:51:05 Speaker 2: The reason I find all of this highly intriguing is the fact that Lou was friendly with you up until a certain point.

1:51:16 Speaker 1: And again, he was useful.

1:51:19 Speaker 3: So....

1:51:21 Speaker 2: That thing about George, we just kind of kept it in our back pocket to, like, watch out for.

1:51:25 Speaker 1: Right. So, listen, I wanted to see what was going to happen. Yeah, we all did. I mean, where we left off with that meeting was he was going down to D.C. He was going to share it with people. He was going to have some conversations. You know, would I be, I think, you know, he's like, can you come down this Thursday? And I'm like, let me know. I'll drive down. You know, I'll drive down, hop on a plane, train, whatever. Whenever somebody's available, if they want to talk, I'm right. nothing ever materialized.

1:51:53 Speaker 1: Right. Um, and yeah, we stayed in, in, you know, generally social contact. He, he, you know, talked about my, um, he was asking me about, cause again, when I met him, I was in the wheelchair, right. Yeah. Wheelchair stuff. So he was asking me about that. He's the one that pointed me in the direction of the leishmaniasis, the virus, go get tested for that. Um, you know, all the steps I, you know, I took and he'd kind of check in, you know, how I was feeling and, I was on a little bit of a medication regimen for a couple of months and, and, and how that was taken, you know, great, but, you know, again, still had the chronic pain and stuff like that.

1:52:30 Speaker 1: So, you know, those, those kinds of things, a little bit of ball busting, you know, old veteran ball busting, you know, and, and yeah, there was, there was the, I'm waiting to see, is he going to be helpful in getting any answers to what's going on? Um, but I was also sort of poking, poking the bear every now and then too, just on things that I became suspicious of. And I wanted to gauge a reaction. I wanted to see, you know, what kind of feedback I got and things like that. So, you know, the, again, the, the disclosure tonight, um, you know, appearance sort of, you know, set off this thing that, you know, I was Lou crew and, and lose team.

1:53:15 Speaker 1: And, um, and then even, um, you know, when this happened, somebody's like, Oh, Jean turned on Lou and this, that I'm like, I never, never portrayed. I was on anybody's team.

1:53:26 Speaker 3: Yeah.

1:53:26 Speaker 1: The fact that there's a team.

1:53:28 Speaker 3: Right.

1:53:29 Speaker 1: That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. I thought we were all on the same team. Yeah. But, but the fact that.

1:53:34 Speaker 2: There's this incessant need to divide, to again, defend your favorite UFO guru and disclosure.

1:53:45 Speaker 3: Tonight's case is, Lou Elizondo.

1:53:47 Speaker 1: Yeah. So, and, and again, that's everybody's got their thing or whatever, but I never, I never saw myself as part of that. I had a mission, um, still on that mission. Um, and, and I was, there's any number of times in when I was regularly doing the sub stack and, and, you know, sort of, walking through findings and, and, and things like that on, on the substat. I always, I always included Lou, always included the criticisms, the suspicions, um, again, try to always keep things very, uh, methodical, you know, following a methodology.

1:54:29 Speaker 1: Um, you know, Ross Coldheart, I've, you know, written things again in the, uh, in the, uh, in an analytical role where, you know, stuff's called into question and stuff. He wrote me one time to correct something, not say he didn't like it or just to, you know, correct, make sure that it read, you know, it didn't, you know, he, he wanted to make sure that the there wasn't a crossover between where he was at at the time. And, you know, it was a couple of words, something like that. And, you know, I'm happy to do that.

1:55:07 Speaker 1: I'm still, chat with them still, you know, on occasion, um, we'll, we'll send them things and ping him on, on, on, on stuff. Um, you know, I can very much separate the idea of having a personal affection, right? Nice guy said, right. Jeremy George saved. Listen, I don't know. I'll fucking sit down with them tomorrow and have beers and, you know, have dinner in this net. None of that's going to change my opinion of you as a professional. Right. None of it's going to change one word of criticism, not one word of accountability and all the rest of it.

1:55:48 Speaker 1: But I'll smoke and joke with you all night long. Right. Right.

1:55:52 Speaker 4: Right.

1:55:52 Speaker 1: I have no issue with any of that. So, yeah. So at some point, I have no idea what it was I said or wrote. And I just got this, you know, from Lou, I understand you have a problem with me. I thought we had the kind of relationship where you would come to me. I only wanted the best for you and your family, you know, best wishes, good luck. And I sat back for a minute. I kind of laughed that I was like, I was like, it struck. My first impression was I'm like, that's emotionally manipulative. Right.

1:56:34 Speaker 1: I'm like, That's.

1:56:36 Speaker 3: Literally reads like a breakup message. Yeah.

1:56:40 Speaker 1: I mean, it was, it wasn't a, um, Hey, I, I heard this. I heard you were talking about this. Um, you know, and I'm concerned you have the wrong impression, right. Or you wrote something and I think you got it wrong.

1:56:59 Speaker 3: Yeah.

1:57:00 Speaker 1: Right. It wasn't anything like, let's correct the record. Oh, Yeah, exactly. Right.

1:57:09 Speaker 1: Or even if it was something, you know, I said or talked about and it's like, oh, you know, why do you have that impression? I'll share with you 100% why I have the impression. Again, it's not that I think you're evil or a bad guy or a horrible person or whatnot. But, you know, things don't add up sometimes. Right? So now you want to have that conversation. Let's have that conversation. So I never responded to it because, again, considering this idea of being a counterintelligence operative, right?

1:57:50 Speaker 1: Because that always has to stay in the back of the mind. I'm like, all right, whatever. You weren't doing anything fucking for me anyway, right? At the end of the day, it's not like you ever... you know, followed me back on X. Right. You know, just gave a follow. not like you ever said, you know, Hey, every, you know, you never gave me a shout out. You never did, you know, anything to, to you. I never got a phone call from anyone who said, hi, well, I talked to Lou Alessandro about the work. I understand you have some questions or can you tell me about it?

1:58:27 Speaker 1: Or, you know, Nothing ever happened. It was, you know, I was collected and being held on to, um, for probably, you know, probably to prevent this kind of stuff. Right. Because there was probably some recognition that, yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm actually like a little bit media savvy and I'm willing to say shit and I've got nothing but time to work on it. And I like to bust balls and I like to push buttons. I like to challenge the status quo. And I like to, to, to rally the public to, you know, a noble cause and all the rest of it.

1:59:06 Speaker 1: And, you know, maybe, maybe that's what it was. Maybe I'm misinterpreting everything. And, you know, so you don't think that.

1:59:18 Speaker 3: So, yeah, Lou breaks up with you.

1:59:21 Speaker 1: Sad, terrible. but then, then the vetted thing, then.

1:59:28 Speaker 2: The vetted thing happens just to lay out the timeline there. So he wasn't even, he had already broke, and I, again, just being kind of funny, he broke up with you and.

1:59:44 Speaker 1: Then you said the stuff and then Yeah. And, and again, I didn't, you know, again, I didn't say it like, Oh, I'm going to, you know, I'm going to get back. It was, it was very much the bullshit with Patrick after we recorded, you know, the core episode and just sort of catching him up on the, you know, who seen it, who said things, what, you know, Oh, what happened during, you know, when you met him, what was that like? And, Oh yeah, this was a weird thing and stuff like that. So I didn't, it wasn't, you know, meant to be a bombshell and it wasn't meant to, because again, I talked about it a ton of times and I know I've talked about it on live streams.

2:00:25 Speaker 1: I know it is out there in other ways. And there's many people that I've told that story to. Right. He just decided to run with it as a, as a headline because I really, you know, until it, until it wasn't a non-event, I kind of just treated it as a, non-event something I got in my back pocket that I'm curious to see, is there ever some sort of more corroboration beyond the, you know, very superficial structural case that one could make to say, well, it might be true or, you know, it is functionally true.

2:01:03 Speaker 3: I think there's a lot of stuff you could point to, to it being somewhat true. So I, aside from the obvious, the obvious being that there's obviously a couple of different scenarios, either lose lying and just continuing to save face everywhere.

2:01:23 Speaker 1: Right.

2:01:24 Speaker 3: Like saying, Oh, I never said that. Right. He already broke up with you. He doesn't need to talk to you.

2:01:31 Speaker 1: I found it interesting. I found it interesting that not only was it, not only was it worth a mention, on the show but that when it happened when you know it came out that it struck something that said oh i need to pick up the phone and call george and and reassure him right right because as they said there's all sorts of shit that's spread around talked about on the internet every.

2:02:04 Speaker 3: Day there's literally spaces all day every day.

2:02:07 Speaker 1: All day every day people say stuff right So what was it then about what nerve did it strike that he felt compelled to pick up the phone and address it? That to me is, is it is in and of itself somewhat telling. Interesting.

2:02:31 Speaker 3: Right.

2:02:31 Speaker 1: To say the least. So it's like I said, if, if, you know, if it were, if it were a secret that, you know, producer gene is gene sticko is infinity disclosed on x right and and or or or that wasn't the case and somebody came and and made that kind of statement and i heard it i'd be like i'd be like oh that's funny you know and then next time i say i'll be like oh did you see the thing or did you hear about it or it'd be like yeah that's weird why would somebody You know, it's like I get these things, you know, people like I'm a I'm a psyop for the oil and gas industry working to disrupt disclosure so that people don't get free energy.

2:03:14 Speaker 1: Yeah. And I'm like, all right, I don't I don't get the path to that. But it's like I didn't pick up the phone to anybody to address it. Yeah, that's so right.

2:03:28 Speaker 3: Right.

2:03:29 Speaker 1: Right.

2:03:30 Speaker 3: I that makes total sense. Because you're like, it's so insignificant.

2:03:37 Speaker 1: So it's obviously not insignificant. So there's some history there. There's some story.

2:03:46 Speaker 3: Well, it's not the first time that I've heard Elizondo making the claim that.

2:03:58 Speaker 1: There's a network. Right. But, you know, but think of it in this term, right? If, if, if, if I called you, if I had, if I had a secret nickname for you, right. If I called you, if I called you the, the, the man child, right. Yeah. Not that I have. Right. But if I was like, well, you know, man, child tie, you know, and that was my thing behind the scenes that I always set. And one day somebody came to you and said, Oh, yeah, if Gene calls you the man-child or whatever, you might kind of laugh about it and be like, oh, that's fucked up.

2:04:32 Speaker 1: I thought he was kind of a friend. You know, why would he say something like that and, you know, criticize me in that way or, you know, whatnot, okay? And so that might happen. And maybe, you know, and maybe you come to me and you say that, right? And you're like, oh, I heard this thing. I'm like, oh, Ty, no, never, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, right? Then sometime later, somebody else comes and says it. I said, oh yeah, I was talking to Gina. He was saying the man child. I wasn't, but he was talking about you.

2:05:00 Speaker 1: You're going to be like, oh, so that motherfucker does say that. Yeah. So that, and then I find out, right. I find out that somebody else from somewhere else told you that I said this thing and I need you to not be mad at me. then i might pick up the phone and be like you know what i heard you so i heard so and so that motherfucker said something i never said anything like that why would i say right right so there there there feels like there's some kind of history there that struck.

2:05:39 Speaker 3: A nerve enough to enough to warrant action right call to.

2:05:45 Speaker 1: Action So either it's a regular occurrence of miscategorizing and talking out of one's ass, or there is such a sensitivity to the nature and structure and entanglement of the relationship that it's on shaky ground or it's in a sensitive place, let's say.

2:06:12 Speaker 3: Yes.

2:06:13 Speaker 1: Right? That's why you pick up the phone. And talk about a rumor because the relationship is in a shaky place to begin with. And this is somehow relevant to the nature of that shakiness. Yeah. Yeah. I couldn't have said that better.

2:06:38 Speaker 2: So I think we've done a good job of explaining start to finish. no speculation, purely, well, a little bit of speculation, but purely what you heard, the timeline of events and why it matters that someone like Lou, who is arguably without Lou, the 2017, that story never.

2:07:18 Speaker 1: No, I disagree.

2:07:20 Speaker 6: But.

2:07:21 Speaker 1: I think there is, again, this path was going to happen in many ways, regardless of who is there. Right? There was going to be a natural... What the hell was the word I used? You know, a natural... capacity that is being exceeded on the secrecy, particularly with better phones, better sensors, more quicker, faster communication. and things like that. The ability to maintain these structures of secrecy as they existed and as they were first probably established back in the 1940s as part of establishing the national security state have reached capacity.

2:08:20 Speaker 1: And so inevitably there was going to have to be, um, a, a movement that began to begin to transition, um, and, and, and, and let's say reformat the information and the flows of information, um, that would need to reshape the narrative, um, all of these things sort of would inevitably have happened. Okay. And, you know, and sometimes it's just luck of the draw of, of who's in the seat. It's like, you know, it's like working at a company and you've got a senior manager and you're like, how did that person ever become a manager?

2:09:06 Speaker 1: Right. How that person like has no leadership skill, no manager. How the fuck did they get that job? Right. And if you start looking back, perhaps at the company itself, you begin to see there were new departments that started. There was natural attrition that happened. There was a new division that was stood up and they just happened to be somebody who had some level of experience in the company. And somebody said, put them in charge.

2:09:41 Speaker 3: Right.

2:09:41 Speaker 1: Right. And that person has not fucked up bad enough to get themselves fired because Um, but they are, um, obviously under any other set of circumstances, probably wouldn't have been the pick for the job. Got it. Right. Understood. You know, they're this close to retirement there, you know, there's all of these factors that, you know, put people in positions, not because they're extraordinary human beings or anything. They just happen to be there at the right time. and the ones whose laps it lands in.

2:10:22 Speaker 1: Understood. So, what does this mean? Like, what was the... Well, so what it means is to say that nothing would happen without these individuals is not necessarily correct. Okay. That there would have been... You know, it's just... So it's like my legacy program spiel, that because of the structures that exist, it appears there's an entity that's called, that's known as the legacy program, but there's, it is highly probable that the legacy program as, you know, if you want to think about it in terms of this, you know, a secret door in the Pentagon basement that opens into the legacy program offices, right?

2:11:11 Speaker 1: That doesn't exist, but there's a, particular set of jobs that exist, that by their nature and by the regulations that the people who sit in those seats have to follow, they will inevitably be led to the same sorts of decisions over and over again, because that's the structure of the thing. So, you know, in any of these cases, you know, and particularly now since I look at disclosure and look at these stories through the commercial lens first, right? That this group of people saw something that posed an opportunity that made it worthwhile for them to leave their jobs and have enough distance and time to and build the public case for the legislative things that needed to be done.

2:12:25 Speaker 1: Okay.

2:12:27 Speaker 2: But the narrative that's been set forth by people like this has been ultimately, and I think this is probably more evidence to suggest that what you're saying might have more validity to it, is the threat narrative. Because you don't get funding with daisies.

2:12:45 Speaker 1: Right. You get it with scaredom. Well, you fear. Right. Listen, you know, I've, I've, I read every, we don't know what these are. They're a threat, right?

2:12:56 Speaker 3: They must be a threat because they're unknown, unknown, therefore threat.

2:13:01 Speaker 1: So I've read every, which I don't annual green. Yeah. So every year, the director of national intelligence, uh, publishes a public version of the national threat.

2:13:18 Speaker 3: Assessment okay so what are classified version.

2:13:22 Speaker 1: Of it an unclassified version right and it you know very much speaks to you know geopolitics and you know economics and um you know as well as let's say you know conventional warfare and adversarial relationships with with nations and things like that you know never not in one of those reports, does it address, you know, unattributed aerial phenomenon or, you know, UAP specifically? There's no language like that anywhere in there. Now, the counter to that is FEMA, which again, through my career, I've done a lot of training and have a lot of FEMA certifications on the national response framework and how different major disasters are handled and managed, and I have qualifications in that field as well.

2:14:18 Speaker 1: But, you know, FEMA speaks in terms of all hazards. So they'll have, you know, very specific things, and then they'll have things, you know, that just sort of talk about the all hazards approach to it, which could include anything. You know, people were going all gaga the last couple of weeks about the contingency plan for an alien invasion or alien contact and, and, and diving into that. And I was on the other night with, uh, with astral and UFOs around the world. And, uh, uh, I don't know, Dr. Dan might've been on that one.

2:14:55 Speaker 1: And, um, and I brought up, and I brought up, you know, the CDC center for disease control has a zombie apocalypse response plan.

2:15:08 Speaker 3: Yeah, but wasn't, so wasn't that, isn't that stuff more like war game stuff though?

2:15:13 Speaker 1: So the zombie response plan was created as part of a training exercise to demonstrate the all hazards approach to response that you can fit in it. So the idea that.

2:15:28 Speaker 3: But there is a plan nonetheless.

2:15:30 Speaker 1: Right.

2:15:30 Speaker 2: It's not like it's, it's, it's, you, that whole- training is to take it.

2:15:38 Speaker 1: As a real world scenario but but the idea that you know the relationship that because they you know and if i wanted they created a cover.

2:15:48 Speaker 3: And if i was to say if i wanted a zombie apocalypse plan i would hide it under one of these trainings right.

2:15:56 Speaker 1: Right exactly i mean we legitimately have a zombie response plan yeah so you know in the same way That's what I'm saying to to give any credence or significance to the idea that there is a, you know, non, you know, NHI related contingency plan that exists. You know, the fact of the matter, it's it's it's a non event. It's a distraction. It is, you know. the government will measure all sorts of, you know, ridiculous and fun things to keep the exercise fun. I used to sit, you know, I used to sit down on oil response exercises.

2:16:32 Speaker 1: We would have joint, um, you know, joint exercises, industry, coast guard contractors, you know, actually putting boats in the water and booms out simulated oil spills. And, um, at one point, like I had to play the press, right. And we were down in Florida, uh, And they were like, yeah, just, you know, say something like you represent the mega yacht community, you know, because that's where we were in Florida, mega yachts and this and that. They're like, so, you know, just pose a question to the command staff, you know, during this press conference about the thing.

2:17:07 Speaker 3: Right.

2:17:07 Speaker 1: And so I was like, I was like, you're like role playing.

2:17:10 Speaker 6: Yeah.

2:17:11 Speaker 1: Yeah. It's, you know, full scale. There's boats in the waters, you know, everything like that. That's cool.

2:17:16 Speaker 3: Right.

2:17:17 Speaker 1: So, you know, And they just grabbed me and were like, oh, you know, you want to play a reporter? I was like, yeah. So mega yachts. Okay, great. So I raised my hand and I'm like, yes, Thurston Howell III for Mega Yachting Times. Can you, you know, what do you think? Tell me you used that real name. I did. Some random weird name. Thurston Howell. That's from Gilligan's Island. You took the role of Sirius, right?

2:17:37 Speaker 3: Yeah.

2:17:37 Speaker 1: That's Gilligan's Island. Thurston Howell III. That's the millionaire name. I'm not.

2:17:42 Speaker 3: It was before my time.

2:17:44 Speaker 1: I knew it. It worked for the audience in the room.

2:17:47 Speaker 3: Yeah.

2:17:47 Speaker 1: But, you know, yeah, just, through you know we had a good so but you know but again it was you know having fun in an exercise format right that's what you do it it you know lightens the mood it gets you through the.

2:18:01 Speaker 2: Day um yeah you're playing make believe in a real world scenario like you got to do it but it's like.

2:18:08 Speaker 1: We don't have to be miserable. Right.

2:18:10 Speaker 3: That if we're getting paid, honestly, that would be fun to me.

2:18:14 Speaker 1: Yeah.

2:18:14 Speaker 2: Getting paid to do like a real world scenarios like that.

2:18:18 Speaker 1: I would love to do that. Yeah. Like, Oh my God. So, you know, but that's what I'm saying. So when people sort of went all Gaga over the idea that there's an NHI contact plan and I'm like, yeah, it was probably like some communications people being like, what's the most impossible situation we could ever have to do. Cause if you figure that plan out, right. anything up to NHI contact becomes a cakewalk.

2:18:42 Speaker 3: Yeah.

2:18:43 Speaker 1: Right.

2:18:43 Speaker 3: Or at least something that we have a.

2:18:45 Speaker 1: Right. That's what I say. Structural.

2:18:48 Speaker 3: Right.

2:18:49 Speaker 1: Like if you go out, you know, if you go out, if you go out on a date, you know, if you go out on a blind date, assuming that you're going to be ax murdered by morning and you're not ax murdered by morning, but she picked her nose through dinner, you're going to be like, yeah, I guess it was a pretty good date. I didn't get ax murdered. There we go.

2:19:07 Speaker 3: Right.

2:19:08 Speaker 1: It's all perspective. You're running off too.

2:19:18 Speaker 3: You're good at showing perspective. Kind of wrapping this part of it up, I simply want to ask this.

2:19:30 Speaker 6: Do you.

2:19:38 Speaker 1: Find it.

2:19:40 Speaker 3: Now let's say it's true.

2:19:43 Speaker 6: Right?

2:19:44 Speaker 3: Let's act on the idea that it is in fact true that there is this controlled element to the UFO narrative.

2:20:01 Speaker 1: The disclosure pipeline.

2:20:03 Speaker 3: The disclosure pipeline, as you've called it. And as I think others have called it. Elizondo, Leslie Keene, this guy John Ramirez, Chris Bledsoe, they've all started talking. They've all made reference to 2027. Lou even has, I believe, an underground bunker. Right? What do you think that says about this whole 2027 thing?

2:20:37 Speaker 1: I don't don't think it says anything about it yet what do you mean.

2:20:45 Speaker 3: He guys got a bunker and and leslie keen has said we should probably know how to farm all right that was her quote that we might need we might need to know how to farm.

2:20:57 Speaker 1: In 2027 or after 2027 she i believe.

2:21:00 Speaker 3: The real quote was that the technology that we have today we should be taking for granted.

2:21:06 Speaker 1: Um probably true yeah probably true.

2:21:08 Speaker 2: Because we might need to learn how to farm after 2027, something like that. John Ramirez, as alluded, he was former CIA, alluded to the fact that he had heard the 2027 date thrown around for something.

2:21:22 Speaker 3: Maybe coming to Earth. Elizondo, several references to 2027 about needing hold your family, shit like that. So should we be like, is there some, because I've asked you many questions in the, in the, the very, very recent past. I've, I've talked to you about gag continuation of government before it went Gaga. And I've talked to you about other things and response.

2:22:01 Speaker 1: Yeah.

2:22:02 Speaker 3: There's a reason I've been asking is because I see something happening and I'm, I'm not being, like a prepper or anything like that. I'm just doing what you kind of taught.

2:22:12 Speaker 1: Observe.

2:22:13 Speaker 3: See trends. And what I see is people in the know prepping for something.

2:22:23 Speaker 1: So outside of... Because you wouldn't want to.

2:22:27 Speaker 3: Sorry, I don't mean to cut it off.

2:22:29 Speaker 2: But you wouldn't want to alert the masses because you need them to keep doing the work up until the moment.

2:22:38 Speaker 1: Right?

2:22:38 Speaker 2: Because they're already written off at this time. But we're not going to tell you now. Why would we tell you ever?

2:22:46 Speaker 1: Right?

2:22:46 Speaker 3: It would simply cause panic.

2:22:50 Speaker 1: So why are they telling us now?

2:22:52 Speaker 2: I think they have to in order to justify it. But they're hiding the signal. Cranking the noise.

2:23:04 Speaker 1: So aside from Elizondo... saying, I don't know if he said it, saying he has a bunker. I don't know where that came from. I don't know. Jamie, pull it up.

2:23:16 Speaker 3: Jamie, pull it up.

2:23:19 Speaker 1: I think Elizondo has alluded to the fact. I could be wrong. Zuckerberg's got a bunker.

2:23:27 Speaker 3: The billionaires all are investing in these bunkers. That's a fun thing to do. It is fun. If I had the money, I would fucking build a bunker.

2:23:38 Speaker 1: I'd build a bunker just for shits and giggles.

2:23:40 Speaker 3: Yeah. I would do the podcast from it.

2:23:43 Speaker 6: Yeah.

2:23:43 Speaker 1: It would get used.

2:23:45 Speaker 3: Right. It would get used.

2:23:46 Speaker 1: So, again, they're talking about this, right? But their movements behind the scenes are setting for it. Indicate anything other, right? I don't see David Grush, Carl Nell, Sean Kirkpatrick, Jay Stratton, Gary Nolan. I haven't found them pulling permits to build greenhouses. I haven't found them pulling permits to dig a new well.

2:24:35 Speaker 1: They've all started tech companies.

2:24:37 Speaker 3: Will you let me know if they start pulling green houses?

2:24:41 Speaker 1: Hell no. I'm not telling anybody. The fuck, man. I thought we were closer than that.

2:24:46 Speaker 3: Right.

2:24:47 Speaker 1: Now, believe me, I got a plan. I get my own zombie apocalypse plan.

2:24:52 Speaker 3: So I just need to show up to your house.

2:24:55 Speaker 1: Or I'll pick you up on the way. Okay. Sounds good. So, you know, again, it's a it makes a, it makes a headline. It gives a sense of control. Yeah. Right. It's embedding fear and uncertainty. And it is, you know, it's there. They're trying to help me. They're trying to listen. I just put it this way.

2:25:21 Speaker 3: Right.

2:25:21 Speaker 1: But what if.

2:25:22 Speaker 3: That's just alien contact and they have the bunker because shit might get.

2:25:26 Speaker 1: What if my sister had balls? Right.

2:25:29 Speaker 3: You know, it's... Well, she would be a man, I guess, today.

2:25:34 Speaker 1: She'd be my brother, right? Yeah, she'd be your brother. That was my father's old question. Yeah, well, if my sister had balls, would she be my brother? Today, yes.

2:25:43 Speaker 6: The.

2:25:45 Speaker 1: Again, barring any real movement that I would see anywhere in any number of the things that I watch... from the government, right? Nothing supports any sort of actions, you know, along along. Well, listen, if there's some mega world ending catastrophe, right. I am happy to stay on the surface and be done with it at that point, because I, you.

2:26:19 Speaker 3: Know, I can't see, right.

2:26:21 Speaker 1: I don't want to go into a bunker and stay down there for four days. four days, four months, four years and come out to a fucking hole to worry about trying to rebuild, you know, a new world and all the rest of it. I will. But for me, I want to, I'll take that. Yeah. Good for you. Go for it. You know, I want to be a part of like, like I would, I'm young. You're going to start your own faction and you know, your own warlord business and everything. You know, there's a lot of infrastructure you need to do that when you emerge.

2:26:53 Speaker 3: Yeah.

2:26:54 Speaker 1: If you emerge. If you emerge, that's a big thing. Because once the water starts pouring in, you just might have built yourself a $ 2. 5 million coffin. That's equally as.

2:27:03 Speaker 3: Valid a thing.

2:27:04 Speaker 1: If I get rich, I want to put a bunker inside of a mountain. Inside of a boat.

2:27:07 Speaker 3: A bunker inside a mountain, inside a boat. What?

2:27:23 Speaker 1: Inside an airplane. Well, inside an intergalactic ship. Yeah, essentially.

2:27:30 Speaker 3: OK, but.

2:27:34 Speaker 1: Moving on a little bit. Well, I mean, just, to you know let's just you know put a pin in that that you know yeah I don't there's nothing that.

2:27:44 Speaker 3: I see you don't think 2027 is anything special I listen just another date in.

2:27:48 Speaker 1: The book whatever it is we will see nobody's been right about anything yet at the last at my last count which I literally counted right I actually did the math and put in the time because I have nothing else to do at the, at the last blood. So

2:28:10 Speaker 1: prediction thing.

2:28:12 Speaker 3: Yeah.

2:28:13 Speaker 1: In my lifetime, that was the 174th time that the world was going to end some big mega shift in life. That was, that's 107. So the 2027 prediction, I'm going to chalk that up. I'm going to say that's, Now, 175 times in my life that the world was going to end or there was going to be some cataclysmic event or whatnot. Still here so far. It sounds a lot like the other 174 times. So, you know, and the fact of the matter is there's nothing I can do about it. So, you know, whatever. What if it's A.I.?

2:29:00 Speaker 1: What if it's AI?

2:29:01 Speaker 3: I don't know. That could be crazy. That could be crazy.

2:29:09 Speaker 1: Anything could be crazy. What if it's Jesus comes back and raises the dead? Gene, I'm being serious. I am too. I have just as much evidence for that as you have of it's going to be an AI takeover as it's going to be an alien invasion.

2:29:26 Speaker 3: You have all the creators of AI saying that it could be responsible for the end of humanity in three to seven years. I don't see the people of Jesus.

2:29:40 Speaker 1: Okay, maybe that's not true. All right.

2:29:43 Speaker 3: Maybe that's not true.

2:29:44 Speaker 1: A lot of similar themes aren't there if we put our minds to it. Yeah. They're always. A lot of rebranding. They're always practicing end of world. Of the apocalyptic vision. Right. A lot of rebranding that goes on.

2:29:59 Speaker 2: It's the Silicon Valley version. You don't think guys like Peter Thiel, they don't give you the creeps?

2:30:09 Speaker 1: And you know what's weird?

2:30:10 Speaker 3: Nope.

2:30:11 Speaker 1: You know what's weird? Clowns. No.

2:30:18 Speaker 2: There was a beautiful episode that Jesse did reuniting Mario Woods. And listen, let me say this from the top. Mario's a good friend of mine. I think I've talked to you about him many times.

2:30:37 Speaker 1: Yeah, we talked about doing a little thing. Yeah.

2:30:40 Speaker 2: Mario is one of my good pals. I texted him. I, we cried together. Like he has been, he, he more than anyone.

2:30:54 Speaker 3: More than anyone that I've met deserves it more. Yeah.

2:31:04 Speaker 1: I mean, that was, but, but, but.

2:31:08 Speaker 2: Many people, have looked for Michael Johnson. Many people.

2:31:16 Speaker 1: And then Jesse finds him. And I'm not saying that there's any... Right. Resources.

2:31:23 Speaker 2: The guy that has Palantir, the owner of Palantir as a resource, finds him.

2:31:30 Speaker 1: And then has this auspicious....

2:31:33 Speaker 3: We hired a recruiter to find Michael Johnson.

2:31:38 Speaker 1: A recruiter? Yeah. I mean, listen, whatever, whatever works, right. Whatever the story is. He said he found him within a week. Yeah. I mean, I'll, I'll, you know, I'll say this, that I think that was the, the, what they did for those guys was just a class act all the way around.

2:31:55 Speaker 3: Again, let me say this again. I, I cried during that episode.

2:32:02 Speaker 1: No, I did too.

2:32:02 Speaker 3: And called Mario and was like, like, Oh dude, from the very first time I interviewed him, At the end of the interview, you always say, hey, do you have anything to plug?

2:32:13 Speaker 2: All he would say is, help me find Michael Johnson. That's all he would ever say. Never wanted money, never wanted anything. Just help me find Michael Johnson. And he's asked Arrow.

2:32:24 Speaker 3: He asked, I can.

2:32:27 Speaker 2: Absolutely back it up that he, Elizondo, Elizondo got him on his TV show with the promise, quote unquote, that he would help him find Michael Johnson. Because if anyone could, it would be Elizondo. Elizondo never even looked, apparently.

2:32:48 Speaker 1: Well, like I said, class act all the way, what they did for those guys. Yeah, it was beautiful.

2:32:53 Speaker 3: And Michael is exactly who I wanted him to be. Just the exact opposite of... Because a lot of people.

2:33:05 Speaker 3: He's just the exact Michael Johnson that I was hoping for. Right. he's this charismatic like classic.

2:33:13 Speaker 1: I i mean again everything everything about their interaction about that piece again being an air force cop myself right super super authentic super right on point every word yeah every word every phrase the the interactions like you know um again i maybe it was Astro, you know, one of the shows of the past couple of days I was sitting on, they were talking about, oh, you know, I was a little suspicious, you know, because he's, or, you know, or people were saying, well, you know, he didn't seem to know who Mario Woods was at first.

2:33:49 Speaker 1: And I'll tell you, it's funny. And I explained to them, I said, because he doesn't know him as Mario. He knows him as Woods, right? I said, there are guys like to this day, I still don't really know their first name. or, you know, somebody has to say their last name for me to know who they're talking about. Yeah. And, and nevermind, like that's a huge unit, you know, up where they work and stuff like that. But, you know, when, when I was watching it raw, you know, first time at the premiere and he's like, hi, I'm calling, you know, a guy named Mario woods.

2:34:21 Speaker 1: And I even said to myself, no, you don't say that. You should have said to him, do you remember, you know, staff Sergeant woods, whatever his rank was, you know, Do you remember, did you work with a guy, you know, last name Woods? It probably would have fucking clicked right away. Right. You know, but you said Mario and he's probably like, who the fuck Mario? I don't know no Mario. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

2:34:48 Speaker 2: But I also want people to take into consideration that they only were partnered up for a very short time. Like on, like partnered up Meaning working together specifically.

2:35:04 Speaker 1: Yeah. You know, they were partnered for a short time.

2:35:07 Speaker 3: So this guy clearly had a bunch of memory from Ellsworth and Mario had a completely separate memory of Ellsworth.

2:35:16 Speaker 1: They went, they had paths that were. Because you're not partners like, you know, it's not like chips, right? You work with the same person every day. Yeah.

2:35:23 Speaker 3: Right.

2:35:24 Speaker 2: The guy was, they even mentioned it. So Michael was filling in for vacation.

2:35:29 Speaker 3: Yeah.

2:35:29 Speaker 6: Yeah.

2:35:30 Speaker 3: Because Michael, because Mario's partner.

2:35:33 Speaker 1: Your camera went out. Yeah. Mario's partner turned down for vacation. Right. So they spun Michael Johnson up to be his partner. They just moved somebody from another.

2:35:42 Speaker 3: Yeah.

2:35:43 Speaker 1: That's what I said. Even the squadrons I was in, you know, a couple of them was, you know, maybe 200 people. You know, very, very small. And, you know, I knew everybody I worked with on my shift. I knew the guys who lived in the dorms. who were on another shift. And unless, you know, if you were a married airman first class that, you know, lived in base housing with your wife and kid, and you were on another shift, I probably didn't know you other than just in passing, you know, if I happen to relieve you off a post, because we just kind of, you know, hand over, do, you know, hand over the post things and then fuck off right away to, you know, to go home.

2:36:28 Speaker 1: We're not hanging out there um, socializing, you know, or if you happen to be in a training class together that, you know, lasts any, you know, uh, any number of days, you know, four or five days, maybe, uh, you know, you meet up there. So yeah, the idea, I mean, you're, you're not working with the same person every time. Like I had people, I remember there was a tech Sergeant on the law enforcement side at Dover. There was a gate that, um, entry control gate, I'd have to work that would close. If I, we, if we were on the afternoon shift, the gate would close at 4 PM.

2:37:03 Speaker 1: So like from two to 4 PM, I would be on the gate, you know, processing traffic. And then at 4 PM I would become, you know, police to alpha. And it was like that stat, you know, the tech Sergeant who, you know, had the patrol car and I would ride with him. I would be his alpha, his partner, you know, for that day. Um, And there was one guy in particular who hated riding with me.

2:37:27 Speaker 3: Because amen to that.

2:37:30 Speaker 1: Guy like literally as soon as we sat in the car like he would you know two hours nothing would happen I would sit in the car and we would have calls non-stop the rest of the shift oh you were like a bad luck yeah it's only you know 11 a.m. 11 o'clock at night or 1 a.m. in the morning doing paperwork on a drunk driver or some shit and i'd get in the car and he'd be like i fucking hate riding with you i don't and i'm like what i said you're a magnet for fucking shit right like a magnet for trouble and shit like that um.

2:38:04 Speaker 3: That's hilarious yeah But we're going to take a 90-second break real quick.

2:38:15 Speaker 1: I'm just going to use the bathroom.

2:38:17 Speaker 3: We'll come back.

2:38:18 Speaker 2: We'll talk about mics, whistling mics coming out, party. But we'll talk about that real quick.

2:38:29 Speaker 1: Wrap it up. Call it a night. All right?

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2:40:47 Speaker 3: So we're back. We're back for the break. So, Gene, what happened recently?

2:40:58 Speaker 2: So an article came out, I believe Total Disclosure even mentioned in the article I read because of my interview with Tim Phillips.

2:41:07 Speaker 3: That's actually how I met Whistling Mike. So Whistling Mike.

2:41:11 Speaker 2: Even though he had kind of pseudo come out prior to His full name now is out. And there's going to be this demonstration in Colorado next month that we're going to be at. So can you tell us what happened? How did this unfold?

2:41:31 Speaker 1: Yeah. So, you know, as Mike's talked about when he was here in the interview and, you know, in all the interviews that he does, you know, he talks about that, you know, he essentially developed a system to identify people Some of these more unique drones that are displaying, let's say, anti-gravitic properties and whatnot. And, you know, he's spent the last three, four years trying to work with the government to establish a contract to bring this technology forward and put it in the hands of warfighters and public safety officials and the rest.

2:42:14 Speaker 1: he's, you know, not only had the runaround, but, you know, essentially, and these are my words, you know, not his, this is my characterization. But, you know, essentially it's like, well, go hire a lobbyist and have a lobbyist bring it to us. Because if we do, if we don't go that route and a lobbyist for, you know, one of the big donors finds out, then, you know, we might not get our, our money from the, you know, from those companies that the lobbyist gets it from, you know, that's just the way it goes.

2:42:51 Speaker 1: So, you know, and Mike has spent a small fortune, quite a fortune on development already. And, you know, it's, it's like anything, listen, I went through it with, you know, with, with immigration, you know, when we had some immigration hiccups and issues and trying to get ahold of somebody and, and work through it. And, you know, the answer is we'll go hire a lawyer. Right. And I'm like, no, no, I should not. I should not be frustrated, coerced or otherwise put under duress to have to go hire a lawyer to petition my government.

2:43:32 Speaker 1: Right. To, to take advantage of a service that is available to me. you know, that is supposed to be available to me that I'm paying for. Nevertheless, when it comes to the immigration stuff, I'm paying for that anyway. Right. I shouldn't have to go through a lawyer to get an answer. And so, you know, I think similarly, Mike's, you know, it's somewhat a moral stand to say, no, I shouldn't have to, you know, pay a lobbyist to get a signature on a piece of paper that from the same people that I'm already talking to from the same people he's already been in the room with.

2:44:13 Speaker 1: Right. It's like, you know, you're sitting here right now. Here's the piece of paper, sign it. No, go spend a million dollars on a lobbyist who's going to bring it to me and then I'll sign it. Yeah. Right.

2:44:26 Speaker 3: Right.

2:44:26 Speaker 1: Sorry. That's not how this works. Right. So, um, yeah. So essentially, uh, uh, Ben, you know, that, that wrote this article, I guess he had reached out to Mike, um, about what was, what had happened with this Colorado drone, um, event, you know, that was back, God, I think in the early two thousands, uh, he was aware of this piece of material, this rock, which again, let's clarify.

2:44:54 Speaker 3: I was, I was, I was going to say, I had to clarify this in one of Astral's things. Yeah.

2:44:59 Speaker 2: Cause I was under the impression and now, I'm going to be the person that doesn't know.

2:45:06 Speaker 1: You be the person that knows.

2:45:09 Speaker 3: What's photographed here right now and on screen is a piece of the same material that Mike reverse-engineered.

2:45:24 Speaker 2: And figured out what the composition was. And then he found a way to detect it.

2:45:30 Speaker 3: And this is a piece that he detected and found that it was made up.

2:45:34 Speaker 2: This is the same material. This is the, this is not what came off the craft that night.

2:45:38 Speaker 1: Correct. This is the raw material in which contains the secret sauce, let's say. And it comes from a very specific place. And so that was why he mined it and brought it in. Right. Was because it is part of the larger picture of the materials that make up the panel that he recovered. Right. So you have the panel and then he went and found the raw materials, you know, to make it. Mm hmm. So, you know, it's like.

2:46:25 Speaker 3: So this is a representation of, again, I think people are confusing that this is.

2:46:31 Speaker 1: Yeah, like that came off of the craft. Yeah. And that's what dropped down. And some people are like, oh, it's slag. It's this and that there, you know, and again, there's some some elements of things that, you know, again, when it comes to the slag. Yes, it does drop off and sort of, you know, do that. But this picture in particular. is the raw material, or I should say it contains the raw materials, some of them, that are used in manufacturing the panel that he recovered. So people trying to sit there and, you know, guess the rock.

2:47:20 Speaker 1: or be like well is there a lava field and you know he said the other night he's like you know it's a lava rock right they're like and he's like so obviously i didn't get it in wichita kansas you know so.

2:47:35 Speaker 2: So yeah this is a piece that was retrieved so What is going on next? So this article comes out. It refers to a demonstration that's happening next month. What is that demonstration?

2:47:47 Speaker 3: Yeah.

2:47:47 Speaker 1: So what Mike wants to do is essentially give a public version of the briefing that he gave in the skiff and bring the the the data and the materials forward. You know, it's basically intended as a, you know, more of a press event. I'm assisting by providing an intelligence briefing that essentially is targeting owners, operators of critical infrastructure, major facilities, places that could benefit from the type of technology that Mike is bringing forward, right? If the government doesn't want the detection capability, then perhaps industry wants it so that industry can can um better prepare for an unattributed unidentified uh aerial uh object that uh you know until they can determine you know if it poses a threat um you know we did you know for radio show earlier i was talking about it's just amazing you know here we are right 25 years from 9-11 and we're still talking about our ability to detect things in the sky And not only detect things in the sky, but actually counter those things.

2:49:09 Speaker 1: Yes. And so the idea being that, you know, right now, if you run an oil and gas plant, if you're responsible for a major electrical substation, a pipeline in the middle of nowhere, whatever, you do not have the capacity to identify if there is any kind of, you know, potential aerial threat to that resource and asset. Right. Right. And what we're saying is if we can help get this into their hands that they can identify it, then sometimes seconds and minutes in these industries matter. You can say, I can shut off this flow.

2:49:50 Speaker 1: I can transfer power here. There's a number. I can evacuate people. So we're talking about. you know, continuity of public services, continuity of transportation, transmission, oil and gas, any number of things that affect our daily lives as the public, right? And the owner operator's ability to do something to mitigate or minimize potential harm and damage to that Because right now without that detection, you know, essentially it's, it's luck of the draw, whether anyone cites it to begin with. And even if you cite it, how long does, is it going to take to get a authority out there with the capability to, to counter whatever the object is, right.

2:50:46 Speaker 1: To, to knock it down, take it down, you know, whatever, whatever it is, they're putting in a giant net, you know, and, and swoop it up, whatever the solution is, um, that is critical time. And seconds matter. Seconds matter. Absolutely. And so this is what we're, you know, this is what we're talking about. No, we're, you know, it's not about, it's not about countering these. It's about early detection that allows people in critical positions to make informed decisions to, to know what kind of risk that they're taking.

2:51:24 Speaker 1: in order to preserve, like I said, a lot of the essential services that we rely on as a public. And I think that by addressing this at the owner-operator level and helping them get their minds around it, that it's, you know, for anyone that doesn't, that it's real, and to perhaps enlighten them in a way that, the trust me bro that they're getting from the state police or County sheriff might not be the best strategy. And, you know, if we can get their minds around that and we can get their minds focused on getting some detection, an early warning, then perhaps, you know, they are better positioned to have discussions at state legislative level, levels like our friend Joe Hawks are down in Connecticut.

2:52:24 Speaker 1: Absolutely. And what he's trying to do. Absolutely. You know, I'd love to, I'd love to bring him out there, you know, for, you know, for this. So, so he can hear it and bring it back to the Connecticut state legislature. But to, you know, these owner operators, when they pick up the phone at the state and federal level, the politicians answer. And when they say, listen, I'm concerned about this. And, you know, here's the information I received from this briefing. What are you doing about it? They can make better informed decisions.

2:53:01 Speaker 3: So are these things being made out of advanced materials or are they using it as propulsion?

2:53:09 Speaker 1: I'll leave that to Mike. Yeah, that's his area of expertise. I don't want to I don't want to murky it up or, you know.

2:53:17 Speaker 3: Well, I'll be there.

2:53:18 Speaker 1: You'll be there.

2:53:20 Speaker 3: We're going to be covering it. It's going to be really fun. It's going to be really fun.

2:53:27 Speaker 1: Registrations for people. Yeah, uncontrolled. So I'm helping sponsor it a bit. I'm hosting the registration page. But we set up the domain uncontrolled skies dot com. That's uncontrolled skies dot com. There's a registration, there's a registration there. Again, you know, just so people have realistic expectations, right? This is a briefing intended for public safety, critical infrastructure, large facility operators, you know, politicians, you know, at the local level, mayors, city council, that have these facilities in their state legislature.

2:54:18 Speaker 1: This isn't, this isn't woo. It's not a fan day. It's not a convention, you know, mini contact, you know, in the desert day, things like that. We've set up two briefing, you know, two public briefings essentially. And again, everybody has to register whether you're press or you're with the public. There is limited space and we want to make sure that, um, the, you know, people who are, you know, need to be there, need to be there, are there. Yeah, exactly. So we want to ensure that that's why registration is required.

2:54:53 Speaker 1: Um, and then we're also looking at a, uh, if the interest is there, we'll, you know, do a evening event, you know, briefing plus, you know, something a little more social, um, let's say, which will be like a, a ticketed event. And we'll, um, you know, we'll work out the details of that again as, uh, as the seats fill up in the sessions and see who wants to, you know, sort of have expanded one-on-one conversations in a social setting, let's say. Yeah, absolutely.

2:55:25 Speaker 2: And I can't wait for it because I'm going in it with a certain angle, you know, so I can't, I can't wait.

2:55:35 Speaker 1: I can't wait.

2:55:37 Speaker 2: Thank you everyone for showing up tonight. we are going to try to do one of these. I like these producer episodes. It just lets us kind of like kick back.

2:55:47 Speaker 1: You know? Oh, shit. I mean, it's basically what shit we talk about anyway. Yeah. It's just recording it. We're just broadcasting the conversation. All right, guys. UFO talk. All you done for the night?