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Speaker 2: Loved the people loved it.
Speaker 1: I never learned anything from it, though.
Speaker 2: So you're obsessed with UFOs, right?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 2: Is that safe to say?
Speaker 1: It's safe to say, But it's it's not so much
Speaker 1: just the UFO itself. I mean there, I don't call
Speaker 1: him that anymore. We call these advanced aial threats. They're different,
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Speaker 1: first part of the of the show.
Speaker 2: Did you have a plan?
Speaker 1: I have a very I have a very long plan,
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Speaker 2: Okay, what do you want to talk about?
Speaker 1: When terms of your body, Well, my body is interesting.
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Speaker 1: what I've noticed is it's just changing. Yeah, it's getting larger,
Speaker 1: getting wider.
Speaker 2: Depending upon what you put in it.
Speaker 1: But you're all can I cuss?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for sure. We're on the internet.
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Speaker 1: when Trump shakes people's hands and he pulls them.
Speaker 2: In and he's like, yeah he does do weird ship,
Speaker 2: It does weird shit like that. Yeah, yeah, I didn't
Speaker 2: mean to do that, just meant to shake your hand
Speaker 2: like a man.
Speaker 1: Well I took it as like know your place, motherfucker.
Speaker 1: Oh this is my show.
Speaker 2: I didn't think that. No, I'm just interesting. So how
Speaker 2: when did you get obsessed with this aerial threat thing?
Speaker 2: And why why do you why do you call them threats?
Speaker 1: Uh, we'll get into that, I guess, but uh uh
Speaker 1: I got into when I was in junior high. But
Speaker 1: for some weird reason, I had like some time off
Speaker 1: and I went to the school library in like seventh grade,
Speaker 1: and I was like, damn, I gonna read some boring shit.
Speaker 1: What am I gonna read? And I saw this one
Speaker 1: book and it had a picture of the Lockness monster
Speaker 1: in like a ufo'mll that looks cool. And I read
Speaker 1: that and I was like, holy cow, these are like real.
Speaker 1: It wasn't all science fiction. I mean the way the
Speaker 1: book was laid out was like, these are like real events.
Speaker 1: There's no no way really. And then when the band
Speaker 1: started doing its thing in the back of the van,
Speaker 1: there were no like smartphones, so I was, we're buying
Speaker 1: books and I would just lay there. We'd have like
Speaker 1: twenty hour drives, and so I started buying books on
Speaker 1: the UFO phenomenon. And I was, once you do that,
Speaker 1: it's a black hole, You're done.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's definitely a rabbit hole you get sucked into it.
Speaker 2: At my house, I have a frame poster that's the
Speaker 2: cover of the Roswell Daily News. Yeah, that shows the
Speaker 2: day after the Roswell crash where it says that the
Speaker 2: Air Force came and recovered the wreckage and you know,
Speaker 2: the whole I've been obsessed with this shit since I
Speaker 2: was a little kid.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think that's uh. I think that's
Speaker 1: by design. I think that this generation is uh was
Speaker 1: meant to have this stuff come out. But you know,
Speaker 1: I can't prove that that's just my feeling.
Speaker 2: What what makes you feel that?
Speaker 1: Like? Because of exactly what you said, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of people. I don't believe that some of the I
Speaker 1: don't believe that some of the events happened on accident.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I think that there's been a lot of events that
Speaker 1: are on purpose. Some have been for show, some have
Speaker 1: been for you. There's a variety, variety of reasons. But
Speaker 1: I think a lot of it is a control system
Speaker 1: that's really pushing humanity in a very specific direction.
Speaker 2: And uh so, like they've got a time frame where
Speaker 2: they've had these events take place. Is that what you think? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And they also time travel, which is different than what
Speaker 1: people think in like a movie where they sit in
Speaker 1: a machine and you also you're in the nineteen thirties
Speaker 1: and you got to go save humanity. When you use
Speaker 1: the technology, you have a there's a time I'm a
Speaker 1: difference between where what they're doing inside of an artificially
Speaker 1: created bubble of gravity of sorts, and then what's on
Speaker 1: the outside. So if you're on the inside of one
Speaker 1: of those machines, everything would be skewed more black and white.
Speaker 1: There would be like a red shift, and everybody would
Speaker 1: look frozen. So you literally could fly around and grab
Speaker 1: a coke out of someone's hand and put it in
Speaker 1: someone else's hand.
Speaker 2: It's really where are you getting this from?
Speaker 1: Well take a while, guess look at the people I'm
Speaker 1: surrounded by, you know.
Speaker 2: So so the people you're surrounded by are telling you
Speaker 2: this is that? What it is? Uh?
Speaker 1: Well, I don't want to get into that. But the
Speaker 1: people I'm surrounded with and myself, you know, are very
Speaker 1: close to this stuff. But the physics, you know, the
Speaker 1: physicist that's a co founder of my company, to the Star,
Speaker 1: he's a Nobel nominee. He wrote the book on plasma physics.
Speaker 1: He what's his name, hal put Off? Doctor hal put Off,
Speaker 1: and he he created remote viewing. Do you know what
Speaker 1: remote viewing is? Yeah, he's the creator of the CIA
Speaker 1: spy program. But he also has done like really exotic
Speaker 1: advanced forefront propulsion work for the past decades and decades. Actually,
Speaker 1: I mean he's deep into the like quantum this and that.
Speaker 1: So he's the one that actually told me about the
Speaker 1: red shift.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so they have experienced this physically or is
Speaker 2: this just theoretical or they know that it exists like
Speaker 2: the technology.
Speaker 1: Yes, I believe that the technology not only exists, We've
Speaker 1: figured out how to play with it. But I'm not
Speaker 1: going to really get into that here. That is what
Speaker 1: we're doing at my company though. That is the announcement.
Speaker 1: So Steve Justice was head of advanced programs at the
Speaker 1: skunk Works. And the skunk Works are who built you
Speaker 1: know the famous secret bases you hear about Skunk Works.
Speaker 1: Did you know the U two spy plane, the SR
Speaker 1: seventy one, Blackbirds one seventeen Stell five and it's all
Speaker 1: Groom Lake out there, all that kind of stuff. And
Speaker 1: and he literally was in charge of all the advanced programs.
Speaker 1: So you know, you got the boss, and you got
Speaker 1: him and he came, uh he just finished his career
Speaker 1: over there within the past two months, I think it is.
Speaker 1: And and he was on stage with me when we
Speaker 1: came out and and said, we're going to be building
Speaker 1: one of these things.
Speaker 2: So when when you say that this all this technology exists.
Speaker 2: Have they explained this to you or have you seen
Speaker 2: it physically? Oh?
Speaker 1: I haven't seen anything physically like that. I'm not I
Speaker 1: wouldn't be allowed to go anywhere if that does or
Speaker 1: doesn't exist.
Speaker 2: So they've just explained to you that this exists and
Speaker 2: that this is in the hands of the US government.
Speaker 1: This, I think, No, No, I see, I don't want
Speaker 1: to get into that kind of stuff. But if you
Speaker 1: don't mind.
Speaker 2: Well, why is it that you want to not get
Speaker 2: into certain things?
Speaker 1: Well, I don't want to speak. Actually, you know I
Speaker 1: represent more than myself these days, right, so I definitely
Speaker 1: have to watch what I say.
Speaker 2: Well, who do you represent when you represent yourself?
Speaker 1: The team that I'm with? So when you look at
Speaker 1: the people that are a part of my company, it's
Speaker 1: under Secretary of Defenses and Defense and Senior Intelligence Service.
Speaker 2: Is there at these people like that we could see?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I thought you guys would have had that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But I mean, is there like a list where
Speaker 2: folks could see it online? Ah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, they can go to to the Stars Academy dot
Speaker 1: com and scroll down and you'll be able to see
Speaker 1: who they all are.
Speaker 2: So so how did you get linked up with all
Speaker 2: these people?
Speaker 1: That story might be a better way to start, because
Speaker 1: a lot of people don't know this part of the story,
Speaker 1: and I think you're going to find it pretty fuck
Speaker 1: odd as well. But uh, okay, so we'll back up
Speaker 1: a couple of years. So I had I was obviously,
Speaker 1: you know, I started the band Blink, and Blink went
Speaker 1: places and then, but we always had a weird band
Speaker 1: relationship like most bands, and we also thought that we
Speaker 1: would never be big, so we started companies on the side,
Speaker 1: and I had a company that incubated a lot of
Speaker 1: small startups like software and apparel and hardcore skate serve
Speaker 1: companies and stuff like that. Well, I learned a lot
Speaker 1: from that, and I pulled out an entertainment startup called
Speaker 1: to the Stars, and I knew I was going to
Speaker 1: be doing kind of like science fiction franchised stories, just
Speaker 1: like Disney, but science fiction for adults. And what that
Speaker 1: means is, you know, I make a story, I title it,
Speaker 1: I brand it, and I put out the book and
Speaker 1: I put up the merchandise, and I go make a movie,
Speaker 1: you know, and it's a vertically integrated kind of model. Well,
Speaker 1: one of the stories. I knew I wanted to put
Speaker 1: out with Secret Machines, which was kind of a historical
Speaker 1: fiction but based on real events about the UFO phenomenon.
Speaker 1: But I also knew that I knew shit that most
Speaker 1: people don't know because I've studied it for so long,
Speaker 1: and I happened to put some pieces together that most
Speaker 1: people don't put together. So before I came out with
Speaker 1: that book, and before I came out with the plan
Speaker 1: to take that make major motion pictures and all that
Speaker 1: kind of stuff, I knew I needed to ask permission.
Speaker 1: So I flew. I flew around to places I can't
Speaker 1: say who they were, but and they they listened to
Speaker 1: my pitch. And and then I got a I got
Speaker 1: an email out of nowhere that says, meet us next
Speaker 1: to the Pentagon at this day in time. And I
Speaker 1: did that, and from that an email from just no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I just can't tell you who it's from. And so
Speaker 1: then I go out.
Speaker 2: Uh, next to the Pentagons. You just Pagon.
Speaker 1: I flew out to Pentagon City.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, And so they dude, this is freaking out.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you. When I started freaking out, there's more shit.
Speaker 1: It gets way worse. This is nothing. So that started
Speaker 1: me out out near d C taking some other high
Speaker 1: level meetings, and there's somebody at a very high level
Speaker 1: that that closed the door looking me in and says, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm going to introduce you to somebody. And that person
Speaker 1: comes to San Diego, puts me on the phone with
Speaker 1: a general and the general is listening to my little
Speaker 1: stump speech about what I want to do with this
Speaker 1: franchise because it was I I definitely didn't want to
Speaker 1: you know, I wasn't looking to like force this disclosure
Speaker 1: and I wasn't looking to be rogue and break secrets.
Speaker 1: I was like, look, I know what's going on here,
Speaker 1: and you guys are doing a kick ass job. And
Speaker 1: I would have done the exact same thing. Should I
Speaker 1: have been the guy at the top that had to
Speaker 1: make some really hardcore decisions seventy years ago. So I
Speaker 1: want to support you. I think people are cynical because
Speaker 1: there's a vacuum. You guys can't say what you're doing,
Speaker 1: so all these people are just coming up with a
Speaker 1: bunch of bullshit to say, oh, you know, they don't
Speaker 1: want us to know, or we can't handle it, or
Speaker 1: it's all about oil and money and all this weird shit.
Speaker 2: You would put these pieces together independently. I did, and
Speaker 2: so based on books that you read.
Speaker 1: Yeah, people think, you know, people think that like places
Speaker 1: like the CIA and the DIA, all these intelligence organizations
Speaker 1: have you know, a monopoly on information. They don't. They
Speaker 1: get their information from the real world too. You know,
Speaker 1: they do have access to to you know, archives of information.
Speaker 1: They do have access to some amazing you know, satellite
Speaker 1: data and stuff like that. But if you're smart and
Speaker 1: you take your time, you know where to look and
Speaker 1: you find patterns, you can pretty much put together all
Speaker 1: the same shit they can kind of, you know. And
Speaker 1: that's what I did. And so when I pitched what
Speaker 1: I wanted to do, he said, come up and meet
Speaker 1: me tomorrow. And so I flew up to NASA actually
Speaker 1: NASA Ames and had a two hour meeting there. And
Speaker 1: after two hours, that person says, he looks me in
Speaker 1: the eyes, I'm going to introduce you to someone else,
Speaker 1: and he did. And so I got on the phone
Speaker 1: with this person, and this person, you know, I'm a skeptic.
Speaker 1: I'm a skeptic. And then at the end of the
Speaker 1: conversation he goes, he goes fly out and see me,
Speaker 1: and so I did, and that's when things really started happening.
Speaker 1: So I'm now, I fly out to this airport and
Speaker 1: I sit at a table in a restaurant at the airport.
Speaker 1: No one's in there, and this gentleman sits down and
Speaker 1: the waiter comes up. He waves off the waiter and
Speaker 1: he looks me in the eye and says, it was
Speaker 1: the Cold War and we found a life for him.
Speaker 1: And that's when I started shitting my pants because I
Speaker 1: know a lot about this stuff, but you always wait
Speaker 1: to talk to somebody that is one of the inside
Speaker 1: people you always want to help.
Speaker 2: He sits down at a restaurant with you at the
Speaker 2: airport and tells you that they found a life form.
Speaker 1: Yes, and during the Cold War, during the Cold War,
Speaker 1: and everything that they did and every decision they made
Speaker 1: at the time was because of the consciousness of the
Speaker 1: Cold War.
Speaker 2: Why has this guy decided to meet with you at
Speaker 2: an airport.
Speaker 1: Because the only way you meet with these people, the
Speaker 1: only way you ever would have anyone talk to you,
Speaker 1: is if you can provide a service that they need.
Speaker 1: And my service was pretty interesting to them because I said, look,
Speaker 1: you guys, you know you struggle with saying disclosure. You
Speaker 1: want to tell everybody everything, which I don't think everyone
Speaker 1: should know everything. And then you say they can't handle it,
Speaker 1: so don't tell them anything, you know. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: there's there's a middle road there, and here's the way
Speaker 1: I would do the middle road. And it resonated with them,
Speaker 1: you know, And so we had a pretty epic conversation
Speaker 1: for a two hours.
Speaker 2: Why you like, why what is it about what you
Speaker 2: a message was? Because what your idea was that made
Speaker 2: them something? Tell you some top secret shit that they've
Speaker 2: tried to keep away from the American people. When you
Speaker 2: take a guy who's like a big celebrity who's in
Speaker 2: a huge rock band like you, and you just say, hey,
Speaker 2: meet me in an airport. I'm going to tell you
Speaker 2: about a life form that we found during the Cold
Speaker 2: War because you're famous or because you know things.
Speaker 1: No, because I have a service. So it's not it
Speaker 1: sounds easy when you play it like that, but a service,
Speaker 1: a service, like what can you do for them, okay
Speaker 1: that they need help with and cam you do communication?
Speaker 1: They don't have a way to make a movie a book.
Speaker 1: They don't know how, they don't have a way to
Speaker 1: make documentaries. They don't have a way to go on
Speaker 1: on a big show like this and communicate with young people.
Speaker 1: They don't do that and nor should they. There they
Speaker 1: look at you got to look at what they're doing.
Speaker 2: So they look to you for a spokesperson role.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say spokespersonal role, communication role, a communication role.
Speaker 2: It makes so they would give some information to you
Speaker 2: and you would get it out to people. And now
Speaker 2: why wouldn't they do it themselves because they wouldn't have
Speaker 2: the same platform. They don't have the access. They don't have.
Speaker 1: And the other reason is is people have tried to
Speaker 1: do movies and stuff like this, but none none of
Speaker 1: them know. I was fortunate enough to know the core
Speaker 1: story and most.
Speaker 2: How did you explain that? Then, if you don't mind
Speaker 2: going back, like you said, you were able to put
Speaker 2: things together that other people weren't. What are those things?
Speaker 1: Essentially, it's the book Secret Machines, where you have a
Speaker 1: lot of private finance, you have some world bankers, and
Speaker 1: you have a lot of people internationally working together to
Speaker 1: figure out a plan of how to how to push
Speaker 1: back again something that's been coming here for a very
Speaker 1: long time. But using off the books, finances and using
Speaker 1: mechanisms that that were not totally aware exist. And what
Speaker 1: people have to realize is, you know, the the UFO
Speaker 1: phenomenon isn't a phenomenon. There's the the universe is fucking gigantic,
Speaker 1: and there's life everywhere, every fucking where, and there's a
Speaker 1: lot of life that's way more advanced than we are.
Speaker 1: And just like we Voyager left our solar system, a
Speaker 1: little dinky satellite from the seventies there, and just like
Speaker 1: my company's going to be building, you know this this
Speaker 1: electromagnetic craft that really can do the same thing to
Speaker 1: time that I've been telling you about. Other civilizations have
Speaker 1: that too, which means you can traverse those distances of space.
Speaker 1: And what you have to think about is what happened
Speaker 1: when we first discovered that and what did we do
Speaker 1: about it? And there's no you know, you got to
Speaker 1: look at forty seven in a very peculiar way. Ninety
Speaker 1: days after the roswell event with CIA was created, the
Speaker 1: Air Force was separated from the army, the National Security
Speaker 1: Act was created, and all those things are mechanisms to
Speaker 1: start learning more and to start getting private industry off
Speaker 1: the ground.
Speaker 2: So that nothing to do with World War Two. You
Speaker 2: think it had to do with aliens?
Speaker 1: Oh, I absolutely think it well both, because what I
Speaker 1: believe crash at Roswell was well, I believe it was
Speaker 1: German from Argentina, but it had hallmarks and technology based
Speaker 1: on alien technology. So we put out a story saying
Speaker 1: it's alien, and then we put out a story saying
Speaker 1: it's a weather balloon, but the real thing it was.
Speaker 1: We didn't want anyone to guess, and that's why we
Speaker 1: put those two things out there. And that's that's kind
Speaker 1: of how they do it. I think they did that
Speaker 1: with the Moon. It's like, you know, we went to
Speaker 1: the moon, and then they put out this meme kind
Speaker 1: of thing like, can't we didn't go to the moon,
Speaker 1: But they didn't want people really going, well, what's on
Speaker 1: the moon?
Speaker 2: That?
Speaker 1: You know? So these things are managed until they can
Speaker 1: figure it out, because you've got a bunch of normal
Speaker 1: dudes in suits sitting at a big table like this,
Speaker 1: and it's their fucking responsibility to figure this thing out.
Speaker 1: And this shit is monumentally big.
Speaker 2: But back to how they managed this, then, how these
Speaker 2: regular dudes without access to communication like you have, how
Speaker 2: they managed to disseminate this information and and and sort
Speaker 2: of confuse everybody.
Speaker 1: I think, well, I can tell I don't know how
Speaker 1: they did it. I do know that they infiltrated UFO groups.
Speaker 1: That was the very first thing they did in the fifties,
Speaker 1: sort of like how FBI agents and undercover cops infiltrated
Speaker 1: Occupy Wall Street you pretended to be radical hippies and
Speaker 1: start fights. Yep, they did that. They get access to
Speaker 1: what the civilians are learning, how information transfers from one
Speaker 1: group to another. And then they start deflecting all their
Speaker 1: knowledge and putting in leaks and this and that and
Speaker 1: getting them off the main track, not because of disdain
Speaker 1: for citizens and not because of any other reason. Then
Speaker 1: picture isis we don't know what isis is they got
Speaker 1: a nuclear bomb and we caught a guy trying to
Speaker 1: sneak in this bomb. Are they going to stop and
Speaker 1: come sit on your couch and tell you all about it? No.
Speaker 1: And if you're like on the radio and there's all
Speaker 1: these people going, oh my god, we're going to die
Speaker 1: a bomb, Obama bomb, They'll hold up a second. You
Speaker 1: know you're not going to fucking die. But we need
Speaker 1: to learn more about this and we've got to figure
Speaker 1: it out before we sit down and talk to you
Speaker 1: about it.
Speaker 2: So what was the connection though, specifically that you had
Speaker 2: figured out that they knew that you had figured out
Speaker 2: that people hadn't put together.
Speaker 1: Well, let me just okay, so let me go back
Speaker 1: to my story. So I put out this book, and
Speaker 1: this book deals with it was a book called Secret Machines,
Speaker 1: and it deals with secret you know, international finance, private industry,
Speaker 1: a secret space program, and a bunch of other things that.
Speaker 2: Your research this book. What do you mean, how'd you
Speaker 2: get the information?
Speaker 1: It was just twenty five years of reading shit and
Speaker 1: watching videos and studying physics and studying you know, the
Speaker 1: secrecy acts and all that kind of weird shit. You know,
Speaker 1: you put it together, and a lot of it's bad information.
Speaker 1: But after a long time I realized, I just realized
Speaker 1: what was going on there. I just I studied enough
Speaker 1: of international finance, some mechanisms that happened after World War Two,
Speaker 1: what the Nazis were doing technologically that no one really
Speaker 1: talks about it this day. There were one hundred years
Speaker 1: ahead of us about what their guys did at the
Speaker 1: end of the war in South America, that's in the
Speaker 1: paper clip. Paper clip was like, there's two levels of
Speaker 1: paper clip. Paper clip is is the operation that brought
Speaker 1: over all these x Nazis into NASA and into all
Speaker 1: of our aerospace programs. Why did we do that? Well,
Speaker 1: because they knew some shit that was very important, and
Speaker 1: we said there might be a bigger issue out there
Speaker 1: to deal with, So why don't we side with the
Speaker 1: devil or side with someone bad because there might be
Speaker 1: a devil out there. It's that kind of thinking. So
Speaker 1: they come in.
Speaker 2: I thought it was about competing with Russia to try
Speaker 2: to advance rocketry.
Speaker 1: I believe that there was you know, I believe that
Speaker 1: there's a reason what the Cold War never got hot
Speaker 1: is because we're working with Russia on this specific issue.
Speaker 2: You think the reason why the Cold War never turned
Speaker 2: into an actual war? Is that what you're saying. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so it had nothing to do with the fact that
Speaker 2: Russia was a communist empire and essentially it did spent
Speaker 2: them and they really went under and collapsed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but there's different there's different levels. It's like when
Speaker 1: someone goes, you know, the US government did this, well,
Speaker 1: what do you mean, what does that mean? Does that
Speaker 1: mean the CIA did it, or the DoD did it,
Speaker 1: or Homeland Security did it. You're dealing with It's a
Speaker 1: trillion dollar organization. It's like if somebody in Apple leaks
Speaker 1: an iPhone, you know, are you going to say, oh
Speaker 1: my god, Apple is doing apples? Like, well, shit, we're
Speaker 1: an eight hundred billion dollar company. We have so many
Speaker 1: things going on worldwide, it's impossible to say the entire
Speaker 1: organization believes one thing and the government's the same kind
Speaker 1: of the same kind of way. It's just like, that's
Speaker 1: just a word. The US government's two words, right, three year,
Speaker 1: three words? How do we want to.
Speaker 2: Count this in the United States government? Okay?
Speaker 1: Three essay, US has got a calculator. Figure the shit out.
Speaker 1: But and you have many, many layers of what's going on.
Speaker 1: And because you have some people worried on technology, some
Speaker 1: people worrying about what's happening happening to the civilian population,
Speaker 1: you have some people worrying about, you know, how to
Speaker 1: keep everything afloat, how to keep everything going. And you
Speaker 1: have a whole bunch of weird military excursions and they're
Speaker 1: bumping into each other, and all these people aren't red
Speaker 1: in to what's going on with the UFO thing, so
Speaker 1: as all that shit.
Speaker 2: So who gets red in?
Speaker 1: That's a good question if I had to guess, very
Speaker 1: very senior technical brass and rock stars, and I wasn't
Speaker 1: red in.
Speaker 2: Trust No they didn't tell you anything.
Speaker 1: No, they possibly did, but I wasn't red and red in.
Speaker 1: I wasn't brought into a skiff and they said, this
Speaker 1: is what's going on, even though I've been in a
Speaker 1: skiff a few times.
Speaker 2: Okay, do you want to? Skiff is a boat?
Speaker 1: A skiff is a special compartmentalized information facility. It's it's
Speaker 1: where top secret shit can be discussed.
Speaker 2: I thought maybe they talk on boats because nobody can
Speaker 2: hear you. They do that too, They do that. They
Speaker 2: do that, they.
Speaker 1: Actually do because you can sweep for bugs on boats
Speaker 1: a lot easier than you can on a building.
Speaker 2: Makes sense, Yeah, yeah, so they tell you what.
Speaker 1: Okay, So I'm sitting at that restaurant and he says.
Speaker 2: He found a life form, and they found a life
Speaker 2: form during the Cold War.
Speaker 1: Right, And I and I said, well do you find it?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: I didn't ask him that question. In many places. I
Speaker 1: did one time bring up I said, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: thinking about talking about the crash in the late forties,
Speaker 1: and they go, why just that one? That was the answer.
Speaker 1: So I had to figure out a language to talk
Speaker 1: to these guys.
Speaker 2: Did you ever think maybe this guy's bullshitting you or
Speaker 2: he's crazy?
Speaker 1: Fuck No, no, I'll tell you got it. That's why
Speaker 1: you got to hear the whole story. So okay, So
Speaker 1: I'm sitting with them. We talk about a lot of things.
Speaker 1: I bring up the incidents with our nuclear weapons. I
Speaker 1: bring up the incidences a few other things that I
Speaker 1: want to get into, and and he goes, what do
Speaker 1: you need to do your project? What are you what
Speaker 1: are you looking for? And I said, well, I need advisors.
Speaker 1: You know, I need people that are from different areas
Speaker 1: in the government, because everyone has their own own perspective.
Speaker 1: You know, you have people at the National Reconnaissance Office
Speaker 1: that have a perspective based on the satellite feeds they're
Speaker 1: getting and these things are coming in and out of
Speaker 1: the atmosphere. Then you'll so have people from the agency
Speaker 1: that are worried about in collecting information of what's going
Speaker 1: on with people in different countries and here. But then
Speaker 1: you also have you know, engineers that have a perspective
Speaker 1: on how the technology is made and what that might mean,
Speaker 1: because there's a lot of consciousness stuff that falls into.
Speaker 2: This capistry there. So there's satellites that track them coming
Speaker 2: in and out of the atmosphere. Absolutely, yeah, absolutely, What
Speaker 2: kind of satellites are these?
Speaker 1: The fuck? I don't know. Usually forward looking in for red,
Speaker 1: but I don't know what spectrum of the infrared they're
Speaker 1: looking at.
Speaker 2: So there's some sort of a camera or some sort
Speaker 2: of a detection device that they have in the atmosphere
Speaker 2: just to check for UFOs.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's just for UFOs. They can
Speaker 1: pick up very very specific heat signatures, and they have
Speaker 1: algorithms because what you have is a satellite is a
Speaker 1: device that can pick up what you program it to
Speaker 1: pick up. Now, you know, you put a sensor on there,
Speaker 1: but you got to tell the sensor what to do.
Speaker 1: So if the sensor says, look, something traveling at this
Speaker 1: speed with this kind of heat, you know you got
Speaker 1: to record that. You got to focus on it, and
Speaker 1: that that's what we call an ICBM. But if something
Speaker 1: comes in and zigzag stops and turns left and it's
Speaker 1: traveling ten times faster than that, we need you to
Speaker 1: record that and focus in on that as well. But
Speaker 1: if something just is moving low and it's only going
Speaker 1: three hundred miles an hour and it has these big
Speaker 1: wings and a low whatever, they're just a plane, you know.
Speaker 1: So the what it captures is based on you know,
Speaker 1: how it's programmed in the first place.
Speaker 2: But so it can differentiate between meteor rites.
Speaker 1: And absolutely, yes, absolutely so.
Speaker 2: So how often are these things coming into our atmosphere?
Speaker 1: Oh shit, I don't know, but I've had quite a
Speaker 1: few discussions. One of the people I've been I've been
Speaker 1: in contact. One of my advisors was from the National
Speaker 1: Reconnaissance Office, High up, high high up. And they call
Speaker 1: it episodic visits.
Speaker 2: That's all I know, episodic. They have time periods where
Speaker 2: they like.
Speaker 1: There was I saw a paper where they say masters
Speaker 1: I figured out the Department Offense figured out a physicist
Speaker 1: there an algorithm of how to compute when the things
Speaker 1: fly in and collect smaller ships like motherships, small ships,
Speaker 1: what what at what longitude and latitude and uh and
Speaker 1: what essentially what orbit it would land at when it
Speaker 1: would collect these other machines. And so they tested that
Speaker 1: and all I know is it was successful.
Speaker 2: This is happening on a very frequent basis.
Speaker 1: Well, let me tell you the rest of the story.
Speaker 1: So I I, uh, and this is it's important because
Speaker 1: you'll see. So he goes, what.
Speaker 2: Do you need?
Speaker 1: I said, I need advisors and then so next thing
Speaker 1: you know, I leave, and two weeks later, bam, bam bam,
Speaker 1: my email starts. I have all these admirals, all these generals, no,
Speaker 1: no intelligence people other than other than brass that were
Speaker 1: connected with the National Reconnaissance Office. But National Connaissance Office
Speaker 1: is half Air Force and half CIA, but they're all
Speaker 1: they're all military, and so I start talking to them.
Speaker 1: I start meeting with them. I fly out to Colorado
Speaker 1: Springs and there's a general and a colonel and they
Speaker 1: look at me and they said, uh. They said, okay,
Speaker 1: do you need anything else? Are you good? And I said, well,
Speaker 1: I think you guys should talk to the Defense Intelligence
Speaker 1: Agency and they go why, Well, I just don't want
Speaker 1: to upset them. I want to make sure everyone's kosher
Speaker 1: with what I'm about to do. And the colonel looks
Speaker 1: at me and he goes, do you ask your dad
Speaker 1: for permission after your mom has already given it to you?
Speaker 1: And I go, no, and he's all, you've been given permission,
Speaker 1: shut the fuck up and get to work. And I
Speaker 1: was like, all right, So I did. So I go
Speaker 1: out and I put the book out there, and I
Speaker 1: start doing national radio like the artbel So Coast to
Speaker 1: Coast Ordinal, I do all that stuff. Next thing, you know,
Speaker 1: I get approached by somebody with a at a certain agency,
Speaker 1: and that guy comes to San Diego and puts me
Speaker 1: in a small room and I got what you would
Speaker 1: call interrogated for two days straight, saying we need to
Speaker 1: know who the fuck you are? You know shit you shouldn't.
Speaker 2: Know, and what like what specifically should you not have known? Though?
Speaker 1: What the book? What's in the book? Everything I've been
Speaker 1: telling you today. When you're dealing with there there is
Speaker 1: a there is a concerted international effort to deal with
Speaker 1: this stuff. And that was in my book. And that
Speaker 1: is it's not like Roswell crashed, and it's not like,
Speaker 1: you know, like all the typical UFO shit that people
Speaker 1: dwell on isn't the story. It's just that there's something crashed,
Speaker 1: or someone saw got abducted and saw this, or someone
Speaker 1: pulled a little piece of metal out of their body,
Speaker 1: But no one's put together what we're doing about it,
Speaker 1: because our countrymen since World War Two aren't stupid.
Speaker 2: What set them off? Though, Like, what was the thing
Speaker 2: that you said that you should not have known?
Speaker 1: The In my book, it is my belief that we
Speaker 1: have an incredible we've made incredible strides creating assets to
Speaker 1: deal with this stuff. That's that's my belief. And I'm
Speaker 1: not speaking for a company this just as that's.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean some sort of a government agency that's
Speaker 2: been designed or were now together international international, Okay, so
Speaker 2: some sort of an international collaboration to deal with the
Speaker 2: threat of alien life. And that was enough that they
Speaker 2: pulled you aside and wouldn't let you go for two days.
Speaker 1: And just yeah, so it was it was more it
Speaker 1: was an interrogation, but it was a pretty heavy debriefing
Speaker 1: of how I got to where I was. And it's
Speaker 1: not like they didn't let me go home. This took
Speaker 1: place at a hotel near my home, but.
Speaker 2: They made you sit down and talk to them.
Speaker 1: Oh fuck, yeah, I had.
Speaker 2: There was six of them, I think six, And so
Speaker 2: they let you leave and go to sleep and then
Speaker 2: come back get something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and came back, spent another eight hours because I
Speaker 1: wasn't rogue. I wasn't like trying to hide anything. I
Speaker 1: was trying to explain to that how did.
Speaker 2: You have all this free time? Though?
Speaker 1: What do you mean?
Speaker 2: I mean you like, if somebody said, hey, we're gonna
Speaker 2: have you in a room, We're going to talk to
Speaker 2: you for two days, I'm like, dude, I don't have
Speaker 2: two days.
Speaker 1: That's that's well, that's maybe you don't, but if you do,
Speaker 1: I fuck. Yeah. When you have these people that want
Speaker 1: to get a hold of you, you don't run.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying run, I'm saying, like, what are you
Speaker 2: guys looking for? Like they're going to just sit you
Speaker 2: down and ask you questions for two days because you
Speaker 2: put together this idea that somehow or another, there's some
Speaker 2: sort of an international collaboration to deal with the threat
Speaker 2: of a million life.
Speaker 1: No, they they looked at it. They didn't know. They
Speaker 1: thought I was at Snowden. They thought I was They
Speaker 1: thought there was a group of people leaking me classified information.
Speaker 2: They didn't know that you're from Blink twenty two. They
Speaker 2: didn't know that you're like a huge They don't care
Speaker 2: about Rockstar.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what they don't understand. They don't care about
Speaker 1: who I am. They just care about the material, right.
Speaker 2: But but it should take them like three seconds to realize, like,
Speaker 2: you're not Edward Snowden, You're a rock star.
Speaker 1: But but I'm saying some pretty provocative shit. You got
Speaker 1: to realize no one else has gone up there and
Speaker 1: talked about you know. Once again, I'm in a tricky
Speaker 1: spot right now because a lot of what happened back then,
Speaker 1: you know, I can't really get into now because of
Speaker 1: the positions and the things I'm involved with. But read
Speaker 1: the book, and.
Speaker 2: So it's just because you printed this stuff in the
Speaker 2: book that they wanted to pull you aside and talk
Speaker 2: to you about this for two days.
Speaker 1: And I was all over radio and talking about it,
Speaker 1: and I was saying some other crazy shit that I
Speaker 1: can't repeat. So people listening, if they want to go
Speaker 1: back and look at those interviews, that's a better way too.
Speaker 2: Okay, So you had said something in those interviews that
Speaker 2: you can't say again because they told you to stop
Speaker 2: talking about it. Absolutely, they tell you to stop talking
Speaker 2: about the fact that you can't talk about it.
Speaker 1: No, I mean, I don't think that's the issue. They
Speaker 1: The more of the issue was what are you trying
Speaker 1: to achieve? And once they found out who I was
Speaker 1: working with, they were like, holy shit. And they only
Speaker 1: found that out when Wiki Leaks broke into John Podesta's
Speaker 1: emails and I was having video conferences in conference calls
Speaker 1: with He was Obama's senior adviser at the time. So
Speaker 1: the Wall Street Journal broke the story, like, what's this
Speaker 1: rock star talking about UFOs with Hillary Clinton's campaign manager. No,
Speaker 1: he was Obama's senior advisor, So I had nothing to
Speaker 1: do with Hillary, you know. So we were setting these up,
Speaker 1: and when that broke, I had to call up my
Speaker 1: partner from the CIA and I said, you know, and
Speaker 1: I gotta say, I know, I got Now I can
Speaker 1: talk to you a little bit more about who these
Speaker 1: people are and and that's where I gained a really
Speaker 1: large amount of credibility with them, but also where they
Speaker 1: realized that we've got to figure out a better way
Speaker 1: to do this. And what you see is me and
Speaker 1: some very important people coming together to do something that
Speaker 1: I think is really beneficial to society, but a lot
Speaker 1: we have a lot of work to do because a
Speaker 1: lot of people think they don't know what to think
Speaker 1: of it at first, they thought I was nuts when
Speaker 1: I was talking about book. I'm all, I got these advisors,
Speaker 1: you know. And then all of a sudden, the Wall
Speaker 1: Street Journal broke this story and there's all these multi
Speaker 1: star generals and head of some really big aerospace companies
Speaker 1: and people. Then then the big news organizations were like,
Speaker 1: holy shit, this is this might be real. A lot
Speaker 1: of kids still don't know, and they're having fun on
Speaker 1: the internet. And then I came out a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks ago on stage with all these people. Now it's like,
Speaker 1: now all the big, huge dealing with some crazy, big
Speaker 1: mainstream press that that we're trying to keep at bay
Speaker 1: for a variety of reasons. But yes, it's all true.
Speaker 1: And what to the stars is really after is how
Speaker 1: do we how do we bring the public in on
Speaker 1: this and work together to to communicate and educate this stuff.
Speaker 1: How do we bring the technology out of the shadows
Speaker 1: and build it for the world, And how do we uh,
Speaker 1: you know, tell the story in documentaries, nonfiction fictional works
Speaker 1: over a period of years. And if we do that,
Speaker 1: the public owns it. The public has to say they're
Speaker 1: a part of it, and then people will start to
Speaker 1: understand over time, why they did what they did. They
Speaker 1: didn't lie to people just out of like ego. It's
Speaker 1: it's they were like, Okay, there's this group called ISIS
Speaker 1: and they're here and we need to understand them, and
Speaker 1: we need to fucking figure it out quick. But the
Speaker 1: problem is these are extraordinarily advanced civilizations that have been
Speaker 1: coming here forever. That's why it's all in all the
Speaker 1: ancient fucking scripts and texts and carved into rocks and
Speaker 1: all that shit. But trying to figure it out, trying
Speaker 1: to connect the dots and trying to I mean, looking
Speaker 1: at debris that they probably still have in a warehouse,
Speaker 1: going we have no fucking clue how to make this
Speaker 1: or back engineer this stuff. I mean, there's a piece
Speaker 1: of metal from a crash that I've seen, and I've
Speaker 1: seen the science on it, and it's so it's atomically aligned,
Speaker 1: and it's layered and multiple like eighty layers within just
Speaker 1: a few microns of purities of metal that aren't even
Speaker 1: in our solar system. And they think it needs to
Speaker 1: be made in an area where there's no gravity. So
Speaker 1: number one has to be made in space. Number two,
Speaker 1: even if we were to create a machine that can
Speaker 1: potentially do some of this stuff three D printing layers
Speaker 1: of different metals of obscene purities. It would cost hundreds
Speaker 1: and hundreds of millions of dollars. We don't even have that.
Speaker 2: Why did I think it was made without gravity?
Speaker 1: Because I think it's the atomic structure. So what happens
Speaker 1: is is when you radiate it with terror hurts, it
Speaker 1: loses mass, something weird. It resonates some kind of harmonic
Speaker 1: and then it gets lighter, and if you hit it
Speaker 1: with enough tear hurts, it'll float. So we're gonna be
Speaker 1: showing people this stuff. We're gonna be bringing out the hardware,
Speaker 1: some of the hard We're gonna be bringing out implants.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna be bringing out videos, We're gonna be bringing.
Speaker 2: Out You going to be showing people this actual physical
Speaker 2: piece of metal that was constructed in a zero gravity
Speaker 2: environment in space, and if you hit it with enough energy,
Speaker 2: it becomes weightless.
Speaker 1: Now I wouldn't say weightless. I don't know if we
Speaker 1: can make enough energy to do that, but yes, that
Speaker 1: is our plan, and not only and show the experiment.
Speaker 2: Well, if you can't give it enough energy to make
Speaker 2: it weightless, can you give it enough energy to reduce
Speaker 2: the mass. Yes, so it weighs less. Yes, And you
Speaker 2: can prove this yes, And that's why you can have
Speaker 2: a scale and you can put this piece of meat.
Speaker 2: I'll do scale, I'll do you better.
Speaker 1: It's it's not even that it's warping the space time
Speaker 1: continuum on on the objects. So you shoot. What you
Speaker 1: can do is you can shoot an electron over it.
Speaker 1: Why it's not a electron, and you collect it and
Speaker 1: time that and how do you shoot a single electron?
Speaker 1: If I know, I'm not a physicist. They just do
Speaker 1: this shit, that's what they do. So and I was
Speaker 1: actually on a phone call today about it. I talked
Speaker 1: for about forty five minutes in the car on the
Speaker 1: way up here about some of some of the.
Speaker 2: How would they even be able to regulate whether or
Speaker 2: not they have a single electron?
Speaker 1: Well, fuck, they're doing crazier shit than that at CERN.
Speaker 1: At CERN, they're taking particles of atoms and they're speeding
Speaker 1: them up to light speed almost like yeah, and slamming
Speaker 1: them into each other. So I'm not too worried about
Speaker 1: electron electrons.
Speaker 2: And a photon normous building. That's I think it's what
Speaker 2: is it cerns like ten miles in the way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you've seen an electron microscope, right, it's like
Speaker 1: the size of half of this st.
Speaker 2: But I'm saying, they're launching a single electron at this thing.
Speaker 1: And I think that's what they do. Yeah, they do
Speaker 1: that with photons too. By the way I read, I
Speaker 1: read a really cool study about single photons, and consciousness
Speaker 1: was in an acting with it, just just by thinking
Speaker 1: it was changing the way the photon went. It's crazy.
Speaker 1: So what happens is is you shoot this electron and
Speaker 1: you know how fast it is to travel over this
Speaker 1: piece of metal. Then you then you radiate it with
Speaker 1: terror hurts, and then you radiated with ter You're you're
Speaker 1: you're electrifying and charging the piece of material.
Speaker 2: You know, it's a terror hurts.
Speaker 1: It's it's a it's a high frequency wave. I don't
Speaker 1: want to pretend I know that much about it. I
Speaker 1: just know that the earlier tests were with radio waves
Speaker 1: like RF and UH, and they need to do terror hurts.
Speaker 1: So I don't know much more than that. So and
Speaker 1: so by radio, by shooting terror hurts at it, the
Speaker 1: piece of metal can lose mass. And then when you
Speaker 1: shoot an electron over it, it'll be a different time
Speaker 1: than the other one when it's not turned on. Does
Speaker 1: that make sense? No, the time it takes for an
Speaker 1: electron to go over the piece of metal.
Speaker 2: What's that, Jamie?
Speaker 4: This is why I type in terror hurts imaging.
Speaker 2: Laser guided codes, advanced single pixel tele terror hurts imagery.
Speaker 2: And this uh be the imageesmpled upon instructions from a
Speaker 2: laser A the terror hertz light passes through the object
Speaker 2: and then see the information is collected to reconstruct the image.
Speaker 2: Look at that. So with this stuff's just an imaging technique.
Speaker 1: But you're timing how fast it takes an electronic to
Speaker 1: move over the surface of the metal. Then you charge
Speaker 1: the metal, and then you're timing the exact same thing,
Speaker 1: and there will be different times. And the positive result
Speaker 1: is that it lost mass, so it traveled faster or
Speaker 1: slower or whatever the hell is supposed to happen.
Speaker 2: And so I would imagine that this just this piece
Speaker 2: of metal, if it exists, would be kind of game over.
Speaker 2: If you brought this piece of metal to the most
Speaker 2: advanced scientists and metallurgy or whatever they would be that
Speaker 2: would understand this kind of shit. Yeah, And it's.
Speaker 1: Already been there. But the problem is, is there.
Speaker 2: Anywhere online where people can read about this?
Speaker 1: There actually is. There's some of this stuff, not this
Speaker 1: piece in particular, that came out as arts parts on
Speaker 1: arts bell a long time ago, and there are different
Speaker 1: layers business and magnesium. But this one came from a
Speaker 1: crash in forty eight, not the forty seven. And I
Speaker 1: know nothing more about it, but I don't think it's
Speaker 1: anything They're going to come in here with the chain
Speaker 1: of custody. You'd say this came from air Force or
Speaker 1: something like that. You know, I don't know who has this.
Speaker 2: So you're going to bring this and demonstrate this to people?
Speaker 1: Yeah, And the reason is is because we need to.
Speaker 1: We're also going to show videos that just got declassified
Speaker 1: from our most advanced systems. I think they call it
Speaker 1: the AEGIS system. It's a radar system and forward looking
Speaker 1: in for read of UFOs. I have those in possession
Speaker 1: actually already, and so we're going to show the videos
Speaker 1: that just I mean the first time in history by
Speaker 1: the way that videos of UFOs have been declassified. There's
Speaker 1: been leaks and there's been people catching shit on their phones,
Speaker 1: but I have all the chain of custody, all the
Speaker 1: documents and everything, and we just got those a few
Speaker 1: weeks ago, and there's a shitload more coming. And so
Speaker 1: we'll release the videos and we'll show the experiment as
Speaker 1: a proof of concept so everyone knows the shit's because
Speaker 1: right now they're just looking at a drawing and they're
Speaker 1: looking at this guy from the skunk Works, you know,
Speaker 1: and just going, how the fuck are they going to
Speaker 1: build a machine that plays with time and plays with
Speaker 1: the fabric of space time, And so we have to
Speaker 1: kind of educate people and say it's possible, it's possible. Interesting, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's it.
Speaker 2: There advanced electro gravit gravitic propulsions that I say that
Speaker 2: electrogravitic gravitic.
Speaker 1: So what that does, what the machine does that we're building,
Speaker 1: is there's a there's an electromagnetic wave that is the
Speaker 1: foundation of everything, of all mass of everything. Like it's
Speaker 1: some people call it zero point energy, some people call
Speaker 1: it the vacuum energy, but like one inch of air
Speaker 1: could power the United States for like hundreds of years
Speaker 1: kind of thing, or maybe more so, what they got
Speaker 1: to do is isolate very specific atoms to where all
Speaker 1: the noise of all matter and cell phones and everything
Speaker 1: that's going on Earth can be can be separated from
Speaker 1: this one atom. And if you can do that with
Speaker 1: the right material, you can get access to that electromagnetic
Speaker 1: wave that's powering the atom, the the invisible wave pattern
Speaker 1: that that's under everything of all existence. And once you
Speaker 1: do that, it's not like splitting an atom. This is
Speaker 1: the power behind the atom. It's extraordinarily dangerous, but it's
Speaker 1: also what will turn that thing on and it'll turn
Speaker 1: into a ball of light and just disappear. And I
Speaker 1: could show you a video of of something doing that
Speaker 1: that's actually on YouTube, you know, Okay, Jim, I would
Speaker 1: I would have to. I could search it for a second.
Speaker 1: How about this, Well there's no commercial breaks, is there?
Speaker 2: No fuck se Just describe it, search it?
Speaker 1: You know what? If you type in astra uh the
Speaker 1: t R three b astra TR three B and I'll
Speaker 1: walk over there. I walk over there for a second,
Speaker 1: so much one of.
Speaker 2: So we can talk to each other.
Speaker 1: So what you wanted? It's coming down here, and do
Speaker 1: you do your your.
Speaker 2: People get to uh, they'll be able to see it.
Speaker 2: We'll put it up on the screen. So what what
Speaker 2: this is?
Speaker 1: Well? I don't really want to tell you what it is,
Speaker 1: but I want you to watch it. Is that that's
Speaker 1: not it's page. I'll find it for you. Just takes
Speaker 1: me a second. There's a bunch of the ship. This
Speaker 1: is the craft by the way, nuts, And did you
Speaker 1: spell it right? Astro? That's why.
Speaker 5: Sorry, Astra Astra not Astro, you're typing out.
Speaker 1: We just gotta get we gotta get make sure it's
Speaker 1: the right one.
Speaker 2: We're looking on YouTube, ladies and gentlemen, if you're in
Speaker 2: your car right now, going what the fuck is going
Speaker 2: on in the show? Most the vast majority of the
Speaker 2: people just listen to this show. So for the people
Speaker 2: that are just listening and you want to go, check
Speaker 2: it out, t R thirty eight Astra Aurora Project through
Speaker 2: this af oh three b.
Speaker 1: Sorry, this is the Craft and Secret Machines Book. That's
Speaker 1: all I'm gonna say.
Speaker 2: And this thing is floating in the air.
Speaker 1: It'll take a few seconds until they turn on the engine.
Speaker 2: That looks pretty bad ass.
Speaker 1: Wait, you can see a little lights dancing around on
Speaker 1: the bottom. But I think this was leaked on purpose
Speaker 1: because the guy's making it just hard enough to see
Speaker 1: moving the cameraund in and out of focus.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, like it's got like he's barely focusing. Boy,
Speaker 2: that looks like a drone. Well it looks small too,
Speaker 2: it's not.
Speaker 1: That's pretty big. I would think that one's about forty feet. Really,
Speaker 1: look see the tail fins on the back. That's how
Speaker 1: you know it's not alien per se. It's built off
Speaker 1: I think technology that came from there. But you know
Speaker 1: they don't need vertical tail stabilize.
Speaker 2: What's that big?
Speaker 1: Like, okay, this is the engine. They turn it on.
Speaker 1: So right now they're accessing that energy I told you about.
Speaker 1: Now and watch what happens.
Speaker 2: It's gone. There's a pilot in that I was in
Speaker 2: a movie. I'd want my money back. Why this movie
Speaker 2: can suck my dick? Why? Why do I so fake?
Speaker 1: Oh you think that? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Look fake? What is that? Tr three b ors is real?
Speaker 2: The another ones.
Speaker 1: Is the same one, but these ones are stacked, And
Speaker 1: that's a drone that came out of one.
Speaker 2: That's a drone. The small one is the little thing
Speaker 2: that came out the side.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But if you you can look up Black Triangle
Speaker 1: ufhone and find hundreds of these videos.
Speaker 2: So these are people with civilians that are getting this
Speaker 2: from the ground by filming this.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know where this one came
Speaker 1: one came from.
Speaker 2: This is not the same account as the last video.
Speaker 5: It's a different videot up next because it's probably a
Speaker 5: highly viewed TR three B videos.
Speaker 2: Right, how many views this out?
Speaker 4: Four and seventy four thousand?
Speaker 1: Damn, there's one hundreds that there's so many people know
Speaker 1: now there's hundreds of these out there, but no that
Speaker 1: separates from the other one. But everyone thinks. Everyone thinks
Speaker 1: it's alien, and that's not my belief.
Speaker 2: So you think this is something along the lines like
Speaker 2: when they had the stealth bomber program. They were experimenting
Speaker 2: with these things. What do you think of Robert Are
Speaker 2: Do you think that guy's real?
Speaker 1: I'm putting out his autobiography, so you do think he's
Speaker 1: legit and should read his book? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely, Yeah. He's a fascinating character, right he is.
Speaker 1: He is. His story is really interesting too where he
Speaker 1: really fucked up though, So for the people that don't
Speaker 1: know that are listening, he's a guy that came out.
Speaker 1: He's the reason we know about Area fifty one. He
Speaker 1: literally is the is the guy that broke the story
Speaker 1: of its existence. He got brought in for a job
Speaker 1: and during the interviews, they said, we have another idea
Speaker 1: for you, and they put him in a place he
Speaker 1: claims had all these discs and he was on a
Speaker 1: back engineering team as a physicist. But what happened was
Speaker 1: they rushed him in there because, per his story, they
Speaker 1: tried to cut into one of the propulsion devices and
Speaker 1: it exploded and killed a bunch of scientists. So the
Speaker 1: Nevada Test Site, which is the area where Area fifty
Speaker 1: one and all that stuff is, released a statement that
Speaker 1: they were just doing a small little nuke test, but
Speaker 1: it was really because of this thing, and so they
Speaker 1: rushed him in there with out doing all of his
Speaker 1: background checks because it takes six months to a year.
Speaker 1: And during those background checks he was already working on
Speaker 1: this stuff. They found that his wife was going a
Speaker 1: little haywire because he couldn't tell her what she was
Speaker 1: what he was doing, and he would leave in the
Speaker 1: middle of the night. He'd be gone for a week,
Speaker 1: and she was getting fed up, and so she started
Speaker 1: having an affair. And so they're listening in on all
Speaker 1: the phone calls and checking them out and they're kind
Speaker 1: of going. His home life is unstable, so they stopped
Speaker 1: calling him to come into work while they figure it out.
Speaker 1: He knows, I mean, he's working next to a guy
Speaker 1: with a machine gun. He knows that this is no
Speaker 1: fucking joke. No one knows what he's been doing. He
Speaker 1: thought he did something wrong. So, as the nervous individual
Speaker 1: he is, he runs to his friends and says, this
Speaker 1: is what I've been doing. This is what I've been
Speaker 1: working on. There's alien craft. It's over here at Groom
Speaker 1: Lake and the tests are every Wednesday night at eight o'clock.
Speaker 1: And his wife goes, holy shit, and his friend goes,
Speaker 1: holy shit, and he goes, come on, I'll show you.
Speaker 1: So they drive through hours North Vegas outside in public
Speaker 1: land and they videotape and watched these UFOs come up
Speaker 1: and be tested and dart around and disappear, and he goes,
Speaker 1: that's the one I'm working on. And it's almost like, well,
Speaker 1: how did you know what time? Because I'm working on it. Well,
Speaker 1: he does this three times, I think it was three times,
Speaker 1: and on the third time they got caught because there's
Speaker 1: I've been there. There's security that that travels those mountain
Speaker 1: joys here about those guys out there in the area
Speaker 1: fifty one And when they caught him, they were like,
Speaker 1: holy fuck. He's He's like, what the fuck is he doing?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 1: Why is he telling everything? So he runs to the
Speaker 1: news station with George Knapp, who's another he's a host
Speaker 1: on Coast to Coast, and he tells him what he's doing,
Speaker 1: and he just goes live on Las Vegas News and
Speaker 1: it caught like wild fire across the world. And so
Speaker 1: then these guys grabbed him, put him in a room,
Speaker 1: put a gun to his head and said, when we
Speaker 1: told you not to say anything, we didn't mean say everything,
Speaker 1: you know, And he got really scared. They started fucking
Speaker 1: with him. I was actually in a meeting two nights
Speaker 1: ago talking about some of the things he did. One
Speaker 1: of the things he did he went to a gym.
Speaker 1: He used to he didn't have access to a lot
Speaker 1: of guns, but for some fucking reason, he had like
Speaker 1: an oozy. It was in his glove compartment. He goes
Speaker 1: to a gym and he comes out and his car
Speaker 1: doors are open, the glove compartment is open, and the
Speaker 1: oozy's just sitting on his chair. He got shot out
Speaker 1: on the freeway, and they erased a bunch of his records,
Speaker 1: and he's still to this day really nervous about it.
Speaker 1: He always claimed he for a while he claimed he
Speaker 1: had part of this is what I will say. He
Speaker 1: claimed the energy source was an element that was very
Speaker 1: heavy and it was like unopennium or something like that,
Speaker 1: one fifteen element, And twenty five years ago he talked
Speaker 1: all about it. He's and then literally three years ago,
Speaker 1: maybe four, they added it to the periodic table.
Speaker 2: What is this stuff called? Again?
Speaker 1: I think it's called unopinnium. It's one element one fifteen.
Speaker 1: It's on and that's the other thing it's People don't
Speaker 1: really holy shit. Twenty five years ago he says, this
Speaker 1: element comes from a binary star system and it's really heavy.
Speaker 1: There's a certain isotope that's stable. They'll find it and
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden. I remember one day I
Speaker 1: was driving my car and I heard it like on CNN,
Speaker 1: new element added to the periodic table. I was like,
Speaker 1: holy shit, you know, but it's pretty interesting, crazy story.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, they erased his his story. What what is
Speaker 2: the claim that he they had erased his educational record.
Speaker 1: Well, I think he might have people I don't know
Speaker 1: if I think this because I don't even I don't know.
Speaker 1: I never researched it. But people that I know that
Speaker 1: have researched it think he might have kind of upgraded
Speaker 1: his resume, his resume a little bit, and maybe he
Speaker 1: didn't go to MI I t R.
Speaker 2: That was a claim. But they also said that he
Speaker 2: really did work for what's that lab in New Mexico.
Speaker 1: Oh, well, Lawrence Livermore and JPL, JPL JP Pasadena.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but but well, whatever it was, it was in
Speaker 2: New Mexico that they had found that he actually did
Speaker 2: work in the building, even though they tried to say
Speaker 2: that he didn't. Yah, maybe he did something with somebody.
Speaker 2: And however much of his store was true. Always gets
Speaker 2: fishy when you find one thing that's not true, like
Speaker 2: that he didn't go to MIT. You know Stanton Friedman,
Speaker 2: You know Stanton Fedman is Yeah, Stanton Friedman, who's a
Speaker 2: very famous UFO researcher. He's one of the main guys
Speaker 2: arguing that Bob Lazar is full of shit.
Speaker 1: Yeah. You know what's interesting is there is, uh, there
Speaker 1: is a I know the guy that did all the
Speaker 1: research on that, and I know the guy that studied
Speaker 1: it for decades and uh, he's actually writing a forward
Speaker 1: on the book. It's the journalist this one like eight
Speaker 1: Peabody Awards and Emmys and shit. But George Knap, who
Speaker 1: I told you about, and he's just got like he
Speaker 1: can speak for hours on that tire that was on
Speaker 1: the Coast to coast show r. Yeah, he does like
Speaker 1: a couple sundays each month.
Speaker 2: Did you find that element? What is it? Element one fifteen?
Speaker 2: Is that what it's called?
Speaker 4: Popular mechanics?
Speaker 1: Article about it?
Speaker 3: Right here?
Speaker 2: Welcome element one fifteen. Now what's your real name? Researchers
Speaker 2: create element one fifteen the lab for the second time,
Speaker 2: over the first time, oh overall, in the first time
Speaker 2: in a decade, paving the way for its official status
Speaker 2: as a member of the Periodic Table. And so google
Speaker 2: Bob Lazar element one to fifteen, because that would think
Speaker 2: that if he knew that like that long ago, like
Speaker 2: that alone would make people want to take him more seriously. Yeah,
Speaker 2: all the stuff that he said, Well, first of all,
Speaker 2: we know that there is a Groom Lake. We know
Speaker 2: that there is an area fifty one. We know they
Speaker 2: denied its existence, and so they wanted to expand the
Speaker 2: perimeter until they wanted to, because people would sit on
Speaker 2: a ledge and they would watch all these test flights
Speaker 2: of whatever the fuck they had, whatever it was they
Speaker 2: were doing, where they're working on stealth bombers, whatever it was.
Speaker 2: People would film this, and so they wanted to expand
Speaker 2: the perimeter a prohibited area, and so in doing so
Speaker 2: they had to admit the existence of the base itself.
Speaker 2: I believe that was in the nineties, right.
Speaker 1: It was in the nineties they expanded the perimeter. Something
Speaker 1: else that the government had to do is they had
Speaker 1: to admit UFOs are real because there was some military
Speaker 1: people look at it. Yeah, he talks about one fifteen
Speaker 1: all through this.
Speaker 2: And what year is this, Jamie does it say the
Speaker 2: video on the bottom? What it was this put out
Speaker 2: this video?
Speaker 1: Well, this one here's twenty fifteen. But the video is
Speaker 1: taken on eh old as fuck. This is right nineteen ninety.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's on the sci Fi channel back when it
Speaker 2: was spelled sci fi.
Speaker 1: Yeah, everyone uses a lot y f y.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's old as fuck. Yeah, play some of that though,
Speaker 2: because that dude's a trip, because he's one of those
Speaker 2: weird guys where if you're even if you're a skeptical guy.
Speaker 2: You listen to Bob Wizar talking like this guy's obviously
Speaker 2: smart as fuck.
Speaker 3: Team who he is In the top of the reactor
Speaker 3: and the base of the reactor apparently is a small
Speaker 3: something similar to a cyclotron. It's a particle accelerator. A
Speaker 3: particle is accelerated to high speed and then deflected up
Speaker 3: a small tube and it's aimed at the one fifteen.
Speaker 3: This transmutes the one fifteen, similar to the way we
Speaker 3: we do that in a normal particle accelerator. This causes
Speaker 3: a reaction, a radiation emission that we really haven't seen before.
Speaker 3: It produces antimatter. This antimatter is guided down a tune
Speaker 3: tube and reacts with a gas. When matter and anti
Speaker 3: matter react, they convert to one hundred percent energy. This
Speaker 3: energy is converted heat energy is converted to electrical power
Speaker 3: in the reactor itself. This is done through a thermoelectric
Speaker 3: converting and this electrical power is used to power other
Speaker 3: subsystems on the craft, though there is no wiring you know,
Speaker 3: as we would know it. Uh. Also that's almost a
Speaker 3: byproduct of the reactor. The reactor also sets up a
Speaker 3: gravitational wave from the one point fifteen being bombarded. This
Speaker 3: gravitational wave is present at the top of the reactor
Speaker 3: and is essentially guided in the same way microwaves are
Speaker 3: guided through tuned tubes, and this goes to their amplifying
Speaker 3: cavities and through the projectors that are in the bottom
Speaker 3: of the craft.
Speaker 2: Got I wish I was smart enough to know one
Speaker 2: the ice full of shit.
Speaker 1: Well, so what he's saying is that there's a gravity
Speaker 1: wave that's accessible on a really large element that extends
Speaker 1: beyond the perimeter of the atom. And when you bombard
Speaker 1: that element with one particle kind of like what we
Speaker 1: were talking about before, it goes through a tune tube,
Speaker 1: like a very tiny miniature cern. It turns like a
Speaker 1: big magnet holds a particle in a very specific spot
Speaker 1: at hovers, it shoots, and it hits that it decays,
Speaker 1: it becomes this matter anti matter reaction. These generators can
Speaker 1: convert all that energy into power, and then they can
Speaker 1: amplify that wave that's coming off and emanating from that element,
Speaker 1: and they amplify it like you would amplify a radio wave. Now,
Speaker 1: there's no wires in the craft because most likely it
Speaker 1: was three D printed. We didn't know about three D
Speaker 1: printing back then. I've talked to Bob about this, but
Speaker 1: not just three three D printing, you know, just the materials,
Speaker 1: but atomically aligning the elements so consciousness and other types
Speaker 1: of things can move through those materials to operate the craft.
Speaker 1: It's really so.
Speaker 2: They're operating it without buttons, right, operating it. So that
Speaker 2: was one theoretically, he said. Theoretically right was that there
Speaker 2: was handprints and that you know, there were much different
Speaker 2: shaped hands than ours. Yeah, and this craft that he
Speaker 2: had found inside one of these bays in area fifty one,
Speaker 2: he realized very quickly that it wasn't something that we
Speaker 2: had created, and that it was somehow another powered through
Speaker 2: intention yep, that would go through like touch or feel
Speaker 2: or put their hands would be on this thing, and
Speaker 2: consciously you would somehow another control all the various aspects
Speaker 2: of this machine exactly exactly. Though it sounds good, doesn't it. God,
Speaker 2: I want to believe so hard.
Speaker 1: Well, I hope you do, because there's gonna be there's
Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of stuff on.
Speaker 2: But I want to know what you've seen though, So
Speaker 2: you've seen this piece of metal what else have you seen.
Speaker 1: I've seen many many documents on the studies of these things,
Speaker 1: and I've seen a lot of the science associated with
Speaker 1: what the technology is and what it does. Like I
Speaker 1: could show you if I fold up pieces of paper
Speaker 1: and stuff what's going on with it. But basically, you
Speaker 1: know these craft you know when when you they travel
Speaker 1: in a straight line, but they're folding space.
Speaker 2: Tip in Event Horizon where they explain it by folding
Speaker 2: a piece of paper and punching a pencil through it.
Speaker 2: Do you ever see that movie?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's kind of like but it's more like,
Speaker 1: you know, here, I can draw it for you here,
Speaker 1: not that this is a It's kind of like when
Speaker 1: you have two points. You know, we're used to traveling
Speaker 1: in a direction like that, and so when we look up,
Speaker 1: we see a plane that goes straight right, But these
Speaker 1: these UFOs fold space time like this, uh, and so
Speaker 1: it looks like to them they're going in a straight line.
Speaker 1: So if you're in the ship, you see that, But
Speaker 1: if you're on the ground, you see that.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's why you see them blink off.
Speaker 1: And on a lot of those videos they're on, they
Speaker 1: it looks like they're jumping. It's just because of this.
Speaker 2: So they're holding space time some way of interfacing with
Speaker 2: space itself that's very different than our idea of traveling
Speaker 2: in a linear way from point A to point base space.
Speaker 1: The fabric. They call it the fabric of space time
Speaker 1: because it's like a fabric, it's malleable.
Speaker 2: Now, let me ask you this. How often into a
Speaker 2: conversation to people look at you and think you are
Speaker 2: fucking crazy when you start talking about this and how
Speaker 2: all the time?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: All the time? Right, But do you ever get to
Speaker 2: the point where like, I don't.
Speaker 1: Want to talk about this, No, because it's it's you.
Speaker 1: I always tell you you don't know what I know.
Speaker 1: You know, and there's a lot.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 2: No, I mean like, do you ever get to the
Speaker 2: point where you're like, I can't do this anymore now
Speaker 2: people think I'm fucking crazy.
Speaker 1: No, because I'm involved on the most important shit I've
Speaker 1: ever been in my life.
Speaker 2: I think this is like the most important thing that
Speaker 2: you've ever done.
Speaker 1: Oh fuck yeah, Like I have meetings with senators coming up,
Speaker 1: Like fuck yeah what senators?
Speaker 2: I can't tell you Damn, it's all this. I can't
Speaker 2: tell you stuff I know because this is some trend shit.
Speaker 2: When is all this going to come out out? Like
Speaker 2: it seems like this is like emiment eminent rather disclosure
Speaker 2: type ship.
Speaker 1: Watch what my company does, That's what I'll say.
Speaker 2: So what is your company? What do you what are
Speaker 2: you trying to do? Well?
Speaker 1: We created so if you look at the people involved, uh,
Speaker 1: we have senior high When you get to the senior
Speaker 1: levels of government, you're either called an se S or
Speaker 1: si S Senior Intelligence Service, Senior Executive Service, or your brass.
Speaker 1: But either way, the civilians have the same kind of
Speaker 1: rinking charter that that the brass does. So s c
Speaker 1: S three SAS three three would be the same thing
Speaker 1: as a three star general. So that's that's who these
Speaker 1: people are around me. So I had the head of
Speaker 1: the skunk Works Engineering, I got, you know, SIS two
Speaker 1: star from the clandestine director at of Operations. I have
Speaker 1: a guy under Secretary of Intelligence for the Senate Intelligence
Speaker 1: Committee and was.
Speaker 2: These guys are retired, the quasi quasi requid. Well, they
Speaker 2: all they all left. They are our current life. They
Speaker 2: now are involved the way you're doing the way they.
Speaker 1: Are current consulting to the internet, the intelligence community. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's a probably.
Speaker 2: The main involved in this project with clearance.
Speaker 1: They all have their Top secret tssec I clearances. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm the only one that does it on my entire team,
Speaker 1: I'm the only one that does. Actually, Lou that just
Speaker 1: came out, I hired him away. So he was head
Speaker 1: of all He was in charge of all classified operations
Speaker 1: for Secretary of Defense Mattis. So he was what's called
Speaker 1: just fifteen right underneath the one, two and three stars.
Speaker 1: He ran the Advanced Aerial Threat Program and it's still
Speaker 1: continuing to this day and he's with US now.
Speaker 2: So the Advanced Aerial Threat Program under the United States
Speaker 2: government is essentially a UFO that's one of the minimation,
Speaker 2: gathering and assessment.
Speaker 1: Assessment of all of the of what those machines are
Speaker 1: doing that gives off all these types of effects that
Speaker 1: people are witnessing. But there's also a very large group
Speaker 1: of people that have had within government, that have had
Speaker 1: close contact, like hundreds and it's connected to my group,
Speaker 1: and there's just more coming in that way. So that
Speaker 1: program is trying to figure out what those technologies did
Speaker 1: to those people and how those technologies work. Even though
Speaker 1: and it's more sabatellite, it's more about tasking, you know,
Speaker 1: our assets like satellites and other things to be able
Speaker 1: to find these things better. But this is different than
Speaker 1: the Secret Machines book, which is more of another thing.
Speaker 2: Although so is there communication between the United States government
Speaker 2: and alien life forms?
Speaker 1: I personally, I mean, I don't know any of this
Speaker 1: stuff because I'm not invited to those types of meetings,
Speaker 1: But I personally wouldn't doubt it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you wouldn't doubt it. But they have never alluded
Speaker 2: to it or discussed it with you in any way.
Speaker 1: Not this group of people know.
Speaker 2: Is there any speculation as to what they're doing?
Speaker 1: Resource extraction?
Speaker 2: Resource extraction like our like minerals.
Speaker 1: Empire buildings. Tell people, no, I think it's cheese. I
Speaker 1: think it's tacos. I think you know they're here for
Speaker 1: the same reason I am, but uh, I tell people like,
Speaker 1: A good way to look at this is like, look
Speaker 1: at Syria, and Syria is and chaos because the United
Speaker 1: States and Russia are having a proxy war there. Now
Speaker 1: look at the Earth. It's the exact same thing. Different
Speaker 1: races are coming here and uh and they're trying to
Speaker 1: win and there's more than one Yeah, yeah, different ones
Speaker 1: verse we're talking about it. I don't I don't know
Speaker 1: how many.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but there's a bunch of different creatures
Speaker 2: and they all have the same sort of technology, and.
Speaker 1: Some are very human, some are looked just like you,
Speaker 1: and I really absolutely yeah.
Speaker 2: Now, is there any sort of speculation as to why
Speaker 2: life forms from other planets, other galaxies of the Solar systems,
Speaker 2: different kind of gravity, different environments would create a life
Speaker 2: form that's exactly similar to us? Or are they imitating
Speaker 2: what we look like in order to infiltrate our world
Speaker 2: to hang with us?
Speaker 1: I think probably all. I think all the above. I mean, look,
Speaker 1: if you look at if you look at like Syria,
Speaker 1: are you just going to say it's only Russia in America?
Speaker 1: They're not China, It's probably there. France is probably there,
Speaker 1: you know. I personally think the little aliens with the
Speaker 1: big black eyes, those are androids. They're biological robots. They're
Speaker 1: just programmed. There's no different than us cloning sheep. They
Speaker 1: just clone a being that can travel through space because
Speaker 1: space or some sort.
Speaker 2: Of an artificial intelligence thing that doesn't have a life form, right.
Speaker 2: I've heard that idea before, and it kind of kind
Speaker 2: of makes sense a little bit, right. I mean, if
Speaker 2: if you're a living thing and you're traveling through space,
Speaker 2: obviously you have biological limitations in terms of the need
Speaker 2: for oxygen and gravitational interactions and all these different things.
Speaker 1: But one of the scariest hallmarks of those ones, the rumor,
Speaker 1: is it in the back of their head as a transmitter.
Speaker 1: So you got to wonder where it's sending shit. But
Speaker 1: at the same time, you know, I can tell you
Speaker 1: that when you look at the Bible, the angels and
Speaker 1: the demons of the Bible would be the humans and
Speaker 1: the androids that I just told you about.
Speaker 2: So you think the grays of the androids, right, and
Speaker 2: so you think they're like some sort of devil.
Speaker 1: No, I just think that that's how we characterized it
Speaker 1: because they come in control your thoughts, control your body,
Speaker 1: take because in the middle of the night, yeah, demons,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: So do you think these things are traveling from? Where?
Speaker 2: Do we have any idea?
Speaker 1: There's things that have been put out there, but I've
Speaker 1: never asked Why would you not ask them? What the
Speaker 1: fuck you could tell me? Star System like four eight
Speaker 1: three and well.
Speaker 2: You know about element I would want to know about
Speaker 2: Starship Enterprise Coordinate one fifteen six five Polaris wherever the
Speaker 2: fuck it is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, I don't know. I do know
Speaker 1: that there's there's connections to man, you won't even believe it.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you that you want to please Atlantis.
Speaker 2: Atlantis, the sunken city. Yeah, there's a connection.
Speaker 1: There's a connection. What's the connection that there is a
Speaker 1: very advanced group that left after a catastrophe and hung
Speaker 1: around in a small outpost here and throughout time would
Speaker 1: push civilization forward. And that's who the Greek gods were.
Speaker 1: Whoa yep. And that's why it's very interesting when the
Speaker 1: Roswell recage there's Greek writing is there.
Speaker 2: I've never seen any of the records from Roswell view.
Speaker 1: It's online. You see type in Roswell records. You can
Speaker 1: see it.
Speaker 2: And what I've ever seen is the dude standing in
Speaker 2: front of the bullshit the weather balloon and stuff, laughing,
Speaker 2: yucking it up.
Speaker 1: Roswell wreckage, Roswell Ibeam. You'll see it and uh, and
Speaker 1: it's got these Greek markings as far and the witnesses
Speaker 1: that were there did did what do you call it?
Speaker 1: Where they go on on oath and tell so that
Speaker 1: actual I beam showing the word l furia, which means
Speaker 1: freedom in ancient Greek.
Speaker 2: Soie, let me tell you want to hear from me,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I've popped up on it.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm going to tell you something else. So I
Speaker 1: went and met a former director of CIA and NSA.
Speaker 1: He was director of both I won't tell you his name.
Speaker 1: And right when I sat down and told him about my.
Speaker 2: Book, pull a picture of again little hands.
Speaker 1: And right when I sat down and told him about
Speaker 1: you gotta this is a big deal. So I'm sitting
Speaker 1: with this guy, he was like, not that long ago
Speaker 1: was director of CIA and he went on to be
Speaker 1: director of NSA.
Speaker 2: Okay, well I think we can find his name maybe, but.
Speaker 1: Uh, right when I sat down and told him about
Speaker 1: the book, you know what he says to me? What
Speaker 1: he goes. I didn't read much science fiction as a kid,
Speaker 1: but I read a lot about Greek mythology. And looked
Speaker 1: me in the eye. I said, well, you're going to
Speaker 1: love the last page of my book. Then he's am
Speaker 1: I And uh. When my book was about ready to
Speaker 1: go to pressing, I had a very important person call
Speaker 1: me up. He says, can you stop that pressing and
Speaker 1: maybe insert something about Greek mythology, And I said, I
Speaker 1: sure can so on. Something you got to realize is,
Speaker 1: for example, the sixth biggest defense contractor in the world,
Speaker 1: at least they used to be six, is a company
Speaker 1: called Science Applica As International Corporation SA. I see their
Speaker 1: headquarters are actually in San Diego, and in the front
Speaker 1: of the building you have a an oblisque coming out
Speaker 1: of a fake lake and two Atlantean on thrones, and
Speaker 1: they're both holding pyramids, and one says the past and
Speaker 1: one says the future. It's in they're eight foot tall statues.
Speaker 1: It's fucking nuts, by the way, and say, I see
Speaker 1: they just they went over Toledos.
Speaker 2: Michael Hayden, former director of NSA and the CIA.
Speaker 1: What about it? No, that's I am, but I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna I'm not gonna tell you. If you try and
Speaker 1: find out an you guys just fishing around.
Speaker 4: Over here, I'll say a name you blink, Yeah.
Speaker 2: I'll show you that was cute. I'll show you my
Speaker 2: dick like yeah, if you if you not sure what, yeah,
Speaker 2: whatever you.
Speaker 1: Get, I'm going to show you my dick.
Speaker 2: Right what do you think about all that Zechariah sitch
Speaker 2: and stuff.
Speaker 1: I think he was close. I don't think he was exact,
Speaker 1: but it's interpretive, you know, if I was to show
Speaker 1: you some symbols for people who don't know what that is.
Speaker 1: Zacharai As Sitchin is a Palestinian scholar that decoded a
Speaker 1: lot of ancient Sumerian texts that were written in Acadian.
Speaker 1: Sumer was like kind of the first civilization that was
Speaker 1: advanced that we even know of, just out of nowhere here,
Speaker 1: like thirty five hundred years before Christ. There's mathematics, astronomy
Speaker 1: and all this different shit. They knew all the planets.
Speaker 1: They said, there's an extra planet. But Zachariah Sitchin was
Speaker 1: the one that really spent a lot of time doing that,
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of other scholars that disagree. Now
Speaker 1: he can say, you know, in those texts is the
Speaker 1: story of the Garden of Eden, the Flood of Noah,
Speaker 1: like all that shit. But his take on it was
Speaker 1: those who from heaven to hearth came called the angels,
Speaker 1: but they were an advanced race. They fucked around with genetics.
Speaker 2: Well, that was his take on the definition of Nephilim
Speaker 2: theph yeah, which.
Speaker 1: You find you find that in Genesis the Nephilm, So
Speaker 1: you know, he was able to tell a really interesting
Speaker 1: story based on these techsxts. But some people don't agree
Speaker 1: with them. But at the end of the day, I
Speaker 1: think it's the closest thing we got. And in my
Speaker 1: early conversations when I was being given some interesting science
Speaker 1: fiction stuff for my book the Greek Mythology, part I
Speaker 1: brought up the Samerians and they showed me one particular king.
Speaker 1: They said this, we find this one very interesting, and
Speaker 1: I can't remember his name, but it fired so quick.
Speaker 1: When I asked the question, it came right back with
Speaker 1: this whole thing on this one Samerian king really interesting.
Speaker 2: Well, what's fascinating about them is that they really did
Speaker 2: know a lot about our solar system. And you think
Speaker 2: about the fact that they were around five thousand years ago.
Speaker 2: They had a detailed model of the Solar system with
Speaker 2: all of the planets, and they were all relatively close
Speaker 2: in size. This is a clay one of those clay
Speaker 2: cylinders that what you would do is you would put
Speaker 2: out a flat piece of clay and you would roll
Speaker 2: this cylinder over it, and that's how they would print things, yep,
Speaker 2: and this really sort of kind of primitive way of
Speaker 2: doing this. Somehow or another. They knew a lot about astronomy.
Speaker 2: I mean, they knew about the structure of our solar system.
Speaker 2: They knew where the planets were, right.
Speaker 1: Well, you got to remember Galileo was almost killed and
Speaker 1: confined to his house arrest because he said that the
Speaker 1: universe doesn't revolve around us. We revolve around the Sun.
Speaker 1: And that was way after that's four or five thousand
Speaker 1: years after the Sumerians that already knew that, you know,
Speaker 1: we weren't the center of the universe. So it's interesting.
Speaker 1: We were really smart and then we went kind of backwards,
Speaker 1: you know. And there's probably a bit more to that
Speaker 1: story too that hopefully one day we'll get into it.
Speaker 2: Well, it's just it's really interesting when you look at
Speaker 2: these ancient civilizations and their attempts to decipher the world
Speaker 2: around them, and you try to figure out what did
Speaker 2: they know, you know, how much did they know? The
Speaker 2: Sumerians are one of the more interesting cases to me
Speaker 2: because of the fact that they had this really bizarre
Speaker 2: map of the Solar system when you know, we didn't
Speaker 2: they found out about Pluto. They had an image of Pluto,
Speaker 2: and I don't think we found out about Pluto until
Speaker 2: like the early nineteen hundreds.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Pluto might have even been like fifteen.
Speaker 2: You see, if you can find that out.
Speaker 1: Pluto was found like like not even that long ago.
Speaker 1: I don't even know if it was as far back
Speaker 1: as the nightteen.
Speaker 2: See if you can find that out and then find
Speaker 2: the image of the Onanachi when they show the solar system,
Speaker 2: because the image is really fascinating because it is what
Speaker 2: it is. I mean, you look at it. There's a sun.
Speaker 2: I mean it's clearly a sun. It has like it's
Speaker 2: a large circle. It's in the sky and it has
Speaker 2: like those little sun sort of rays around it. Picture right, Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's the picture.
Speaker 1: There you go. So you know they have an idea
Speaker 1: of where to look for this extra planet they thought.
Speaker 1: In the early nineties, JPL announced that they thought they
Speaker 1: found a companion to our son.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Look at that. I mean that's fucking radical right there. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's crazy they have Pluto in there. Now go to
Speaker 2: the discovery of Pluto. When did Pluto get discovered? I
Speaker 2: think you're right, I think it was in the nineteen
Speaker 2: fifty I know it was sometime in the nineteen.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm talking about Disney's Pluto, which nineteen thirty, nineteen thirty,
Speaker 1: crazy crazy shit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So these people somehow or another knew about Pluto
Speaker 2: fucking way before us. And this is not something you
Speaker 2: could see with the naked eye, so somehow or another,
Speaker 2: And nor were those other planets. I mean you could
Speaker 2: see a few of them. You could see Mars, and
Speaker 2: sometimes you could see Jupiter and maybe Saturn. Right, do
Speaker 2: you see Saturn? What are the ones you can see
Speaker 2: the naked eyes?
Speaker 1: You can see Saturn? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Bute? After that, like they had Uranus, You can't see Uranus.
Speaker 5: Just the other case, like the one time of I
Speaker 5: don't know, every twenty five years, you can barely see
Speaker 5: it with the naked eye. Urane last week or something
Speaker 5: like that. Uranople were at Griffith Observatory. It was like
Speaker 5: super crowded because of that.
Speaker 1: Are we not going to We're not gonna make jokes
Speaker 1: and about uranus?
Speaker 2: Right? No, because it's expected. Yeah, And were they looking
Speaker 2: at it with the naked eye with telescope? Mean, I
Speaker 2: feel like you could obviously to observed because.
Speaker 4: Everyone goes there. There's a bunch of telescopes already set up.
Speaker 2: Right, But that makes sense for telescopes, But why would
Speaker 2: the naked.
Speaker 4: Eye because it's one of the best place closest in
Speaker 4: La or I.
Speaker 2: Don't know, Okay, Yeah, La is weird because of the
Speaker 2: light pollution, right, No, it's so it's a big deal.
Speaker 1: Like that's why you know when you go to the
Speaker 1: desert and it's beautiful and whoa.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what you're It was last week October nineteenh
Speaker 5: you could see with your naked eye uranus.
Speaker 1: You can see you guys are talking about naked and
Speaker 1: uranus a lot here. And I don't want to make
Speaker 1: any jokes. I'm not, but I'm just turing you're talking.
Speaker 2: About see uranus with your naked eye this week. Giggle
Speaker 2: if you must. Nice What a goofy name too? Like
Speaker 2: what all the different sounds you can make with your
Speaker 2: face and they chose your butthole?
Speaker 1: What if they just call it butthole?
Speaker 2: Yeah, butthole planet butthole, it would be just as weird.
Speaker 1: I would go there fucking crazy fast, be the first
Speaker 1: place I go.
Speaker 2: That would be the first place you'd visit in the
Speaker 2: planet buttle. Yeah, do you think that there's life in
Speaker 2: our solar system? I do. Where do you think it is? Europa? Really?
Speaker 2: So you think there's some sort of a primitive life
Speaker 2: form that's under the ice.
Speaker 1: I think there's life on Mars, and I think it's uh,
Speaker 1: we'll start from I think there's life on Mars. I
Speaker 1: think it's small little animals and microbial or you know, insects. Shit,
Speaker 1: that's kind of learning how to live with its radioactive environment, which,
Speaker 1: by the way, a bunch of scientists from JPILL found
Speaker 1: that there was some atomic weapons that went off on
Speaker 1: Mars because the radioactive signature is can only happen if
Speaker 1: you explode a nuclear weapon that's artificially made, not like
Speaker 1: a like something that happens naturally, like a moon exploding
Speaker 1: on the surface. So it's interesting.
Speaker 2: So did you read that.
Speaker 1: Oh shit, that's that's been all over the place. I
Speaker 1: forgot the guy's name, the doctor's name. He's a He
Speaker 1: actually was one of the lead scientists on Clementine mission,
Speaker 1: which was mapping the moon with JPL. So he's a
Speaker 1: he's a big time dude.
Speaker 2: And he thinks there was nuclear war.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he did huge well. He doesn't say that.
Speaker 1: He just says that nuclear weapons. He just says, we
Speaker 1: have this signature. He all peer reviewed science that the
Speaker 1: signature of the radioactive activity from this very specific isotope
Speaker 1: that only comes from artificial nuclear explosion or something.
Speaker 2: Shit.
Speaker 1: I don't want to mess with.
Speaker 2: Some along those lines. Yeah, well, I'd heard before that
Speaker 2: they thought that somehow another Mars was impacted. Does something
Speaker 2: hit it like some sort of rasteroyal impact and it
Speaker 2: destroyed the environment.
Speaker 1: I think it's the if you type in nuclear weapon
Speaker 1: Mars or nukes on Mars or some shit, you'll find it.
Speaker 2: You go to Richard Hoagland's site.
Speaker 1: He kind of disappeared though.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that guy was wacky as fuck, Like he was
Speaker 2: one of the He's the one of the main proponents
Speaker 2: of the face on Mars and all the pyramids that
Speaker 2: they found on Mars. They would find these weird connections
Speaker 2: between one point to another point and somehow another. They
Speaker 2: made some arbitrary distinctions that those were indicative of intelligent design.
Speaker 4: Musk wanted to drop nukes up there too.
Speaker 2: Good move. Elon Musk elaborates on the proposal to nuke Mars.
Speaker 1: How's that picture?
Speaker 2: Why not he's probably bored. He put on his Instagram
Speaker 2: last night he was cooking the hot dogs and marshmallows
Speaker 2: and singing along with Johnny Cash drinking whiskey. That's what
Speaker 2: he should be. I bet a fucking scientist. Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: Elon Musk for president. I'll vote for you, buddy. Come on,
Speaker 2: let's do it. Whyn't you talk to him? Man, he's
Speaker 2: already got space X once. You guys.
Speaker 1: The second thing we're doing he might really actually be
Speaker 1: interested in. And so the two aerospace projects to the
Speaker 1: Stars is doing. One is we're building something that will
Speaker 1: in effect be anti gravity, but it's actually that's actually
Speaker 1: not the mechanism it does in building a spacecraft. But
Speaker 1: the second thing that we're doing is called beamed energy propulsion,
Speaker 1: which is something I think must will be very interested in.
Speaker 1: It's launching cube SATs with lasers. So the Air Force
Speaker 1: Research Lab kind of broke the science back in the
Speaker 1: nineties and a bunch of people associated with that program
Speaker 1: got it declassified and they're working for us on building it.
Speaker 1: So it'll take a handful of years to do. But
Speaker 1: what you do is you use very strong either microwaves
Speaker 1: or some other kind of wave and it ignites and
Speaker 1: explodes the air underneath a mechanism that carries a cube set.
Speaker 1: And so essentially what happens is is you don't use
Speaker 1: any fossil fuels and it bring the cost of launching
Speaker 1: a CubeSat from like fifty grand down to five grand.
Speaker 1: It's like crazy. So that means colleges and neighbors and
Speaker 1: anyone else can launch CubeSats quite easily.
Speaker 2: Now, have you had any debates with people about this stuff?
Speaker 2: Have you ever had someone who thinks that this is
Speaker 2: all nonsense and sat down with you, understands physics and
Speaker 2: understands rocket propulsion and space and elements and all that shit.
Speaker 1: No, I have. I wouldn't be able to debate a physicist,
Speaker 1: but they can read all the papers, you.
Speaker 2: Know, right, But I mean, has anybody been skeptical? Is anybody?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Everyone skeptical?
Speaker 2: Yeah? And what's your response to that?
Speaker 1: You don't know what I know?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 2: What do you know? Though? They don't know?
Speaker 1: I can't tell you some of the shit that I know,
Speaker 1: and I can't tell you, But what.
Speaker 2: Could it be? That's so crazy? If you know? I mean,
Speaker 2: what you've said, Well, think about what you've said you
Speaker 2: said that there's some ridiculous sort of propulsion system that
Speaker 2: allows you to move through time, that they visit this
Speaker 2: planet all the time and extract resources. Right that there's
Speaker 2: people in the government that are trying to disseminate this information,
Speaker 2: but they don't know how to do it. They don't
Speaker 2: know the right vehicle do it. They're doing it in
Speaker 2: these sort of controlled chunks. Think of all these things
Speaker 2: that you said, what could possibly be crazier than that? Well,
Speaker 2: you're asking me how do I know? And no, no, no,
Speaker 2: I'm asking you, what do you know that could possibly
Speaker 2: be crazier than that?
Speaker 1: Well, that's the shit. I can't tell you. It's not
Speaker 1: everything's hunky dory.
Speaker 2: Is it something where you worried about the fate of
Speaker 2: the human race?
Speaker 1: I think that's part of it.
Speaker 2: Where should I move? If I was gonna move, it's
Speaker 2: not existentially if you dick out if I should go
Speaker 2: to Australia.
Speaker 1: How about how about it in Australia?
Speaker 2: I mean, where's the spot.
Speaker 1: I don't think there is one unfortunate spot. This is
Speaker 1: what I will say. It's not existential in the sense
Speaker 1: of they're not gonna come here like Independence Day in
Speaker 1: nuke the place. But there, you know, there are things
Speaker 1: to worry about. And that's why I think.
Speaker 2: Do you think there's anybody that's famous it's an alien? Oh?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Do you think that there's any influential figure that has
Speaker 2: been sort of shaping culture that might not be one
Speaker 2: of us? Oprah? Oh?
Speaker 1: For sure, it has to be Oprah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But if you go back to the early days
Speaker 2: when Oprah used to do that stupid show, we should
Speaker 2: have like KKK members on and everybody sat on white
Speaker 2: plastic seats. Remember those days?
Speaker 1: Is that her Aldo or is that Oprah?
Speaker 2: Oprah early days? Man? Me and Al Madrigal. I'll never
Speaker 2: forget this. It was like when I first met Al,
Speaker 2: probably like late nineties. I think we're in San Francisco
Speaker 2: doing bong hits, watching TV and Oprah was on, and
Speaker 2: it was old Oprah, Bong hig Hair, Oprah Big Hair.
Speaker 2: Oprah might not have been the nineties, might have been
Speaker 2: early two.
Speaker 4: Thousands of aliens from Men in Black they were watching
Speaker 4: at the beginning. Member, you know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I again, there's elements of this subject that
Speaker 1: are disturbing, and you know, I don't think people need
Speaker 1: to know all that shit.
Speaker 2: So do you subscribe to the idea that human beings
Speaker 2: are the product of genetic engineering?
Speaker 1: I do you do?
Speaker 2: So you think that they took some lower hominids and
Speaker 2: that they did something to him to create human beings.
Speaker 2: That is a very popular theory among UFO fanatics, I
Speaker 2: should say fans.
Speaker 1: I I don't want to speak again for my company,
Speaker 1: but one of the people on our board scientific they
Speaker 1: call it a SAP Scientific Advisory Board, is a lead
Speaker 1: geneticist from Stanford who I think he was up for
Speaker 1: the Nobel this year. What's his name, Doctor Gary Nolan?
Speaker 1: And he would be the genet he would be the
Speaker 1: guy to ask about that.
Speaker 2: Get him in here, but he would.
Speaker 1: But he's he's only going to tell you what's what,
Speaker 1: what he can prove with science. He's not going to speculate,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: So, what what makes people think that? Like, what's the
Speaker 2: science that makes people think that.
Speaker 1: Well, there's a lot of junk DNA, there's certain parts
Speaker 1: of our DNA that seems to have been turned off.
Speaker 1: There's there's a bunch of things in there that we
Speaker 1: don't understand, and we don't have the leaps of humanity
Speaker 1: over the past five thousand years to really show like,
Speaker 1: where did what happened in the past five thousand years
Speaker 1: that wasn't happening for the hundreds of millions of years
Speaker 1: before that. They just found a footprint that was like
Speaker 1: a hundred million years old or something like that, that
Speaker 1: was just a human footprint. What they did, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: just read that. I don't know, I can't remember, but
Speaker 1: it's it's like a fossil and now they're like, fuck,
Speaker 1: this totally throws everything upside down.
Speaker 2: I've been talking to Sarah Palin. That was something that
Speaker 2: Salea Palin said, Remember that, Like there was a librarian
Speaker 2: that said that she she didn't believe that she was
Speaker 2: a Young Earth creationist. She thought that, uh, there was
Speaker 2: a picture online that showed a human footprint inside a
Speaker 2: dinosaur footprint that approved that people walked with dinosaurs.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't doubt it.
Speaker 2: I think out that people walked with dinosaurs.
Speaker 1: Oh not at all. I think there's been cycles of civilizations,
Speaker 1: and I think the people on the inside know that.
Speaker 1: And that's why at that defense contractor multi multi, multi,
Speaker 1: multi billion dollar defense the ones that chose the government
Speaker 1: of Iraq after we took over Iraq and the ones
Speaker 1: that looked over after all of our nukes.
Speaker 2: Hey, look at there, footprint inside a dinosaur footprint. She's right,
Speaker 2: but they have.
Speaker 1: But they have at that place. Remember I told you
Speaker 1: they have the past and the future with big pyramids
Speaker 1: in their hands, tetrahedrons. You know that they're trying. It's
Speaker 1: like it's a spooky when you look at that.
Speaker 2: Do you believe that the asteroid hit the Yucatan caused
Speaker 2: a mass extinction that killed off most of the life
Speaker 2: on the planet.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I can't believe in it. I don't know. Fuck,
Speaker 1: I've never studied that shit and I wasn't there.
Speaker 2: But I mean there's like physical evidence for that.
Speaker 1: It's more like, well, yeah, but I haven't read anything
Speaker 1: about it. But sure, I mean I can believe in things.
Speaker 1: I can't prove a lot of things.
Speaker 2: You know, right, But that's like the whole reason why
Speaker 2: we're supposedly here, that it killed off the dinosaurs and
Speaker 2: allowed whatever they think there was some sort of a
Speaker 2: mole mole type creature that evolved over sixty five million
Speaker 2: years became bullshit.
Speaker 1: I think it's all bullshit.
Speaker 2: I think do you think evolutions bullshit.
Speaker 1: No, I think that at some point in history they
Speaker 1: came someone came here and tampered with existing creatures and
Speaker 1: made us and upgraded us at very specific orn.
Speaker 2: But who tampered with them? And what came first? And
Speaker 2: chicken in the egg? You know question? Yeah, I know,
Speaker 2: a single celled organism. We all kind of agree like
Speaker 2: that was like the beginning, right most scientists. Not we
Speaker 2: I'm too stupid for this. But obviously, somehow or another
Speaker 2: that became a bird, right, Why couldn't it become a monkey?
Speaker 2: Why couldn't that monkey become a person?
Speaker 1: I think it? Yeah, I don't know. I mean, look,
Speaker 1: evolution changes. I mean we know that people that like
Speaker 1: beat their kids, their kids DNA changes based on getting beat.
Speaker 1: You know, so when you were fighting, you were changing
Speaker 1: people's DNA and you were a geneticist. You know, you
Speaker 1: went after it for science. You know, that's why we
Speaker 1: were doing the fighting, right for sure.
Speaker 2: It's so if you think about it that way, if
Speaker 2: you think about that, that all life, somehow or another
Speaker 2: continues to evolve and advanced, and through natural selection, genetic
Speaker 2: mutation and random mutations, that things move from one stage
Speaker 2: of existence to what they are today, right that when
Speaker 2: you look at, you know, a condor or a hippopotamus,
Speaker 2: sure that it used to be something different and now
Speaker 2: it's that Sure. Why wouldn't that be the case of
Speaker 2: people too.
Speaker 1: I think that is the case with people. I just
Speaker 1: think that the quantum leaps in our evolution, our symptoms
Speaker 1: are effects of being genetically upgraded.
Speaker 2: We've heard it explained to me, though, is that those
Speaker 2: The only leap that's really confusing is the doubling of
Speaker 2: the human brain. That's the big leap, and it's over
Speaker 2: the period of two million years apparently. Obviously I'm too
Speaker 2: stupid to really understand this, but from what I've read
Speaker 2: when I've heard people talk about that's apparently one of
Speaker 2: the biggest miss mysteries, uh, when it comes to the
Speaker 2: human fossil record. But there's a pretty clear line apparently
Speaker 2: from Australiapithecus to you know, to.
Speaker 1: The homes on me.
Speaker 2: So straliopithecus is not a big word, you sound like it.
Speaker 2: What the fuck is that stuff again?
Speaker 1: Penis uranus?
Speaker 2: Yeah, whatever, that's called? That stuff? So what is your
Speaker 2: company aiming to do and when are you trying to
Speaker 2: do it?
Speaker 1: So the next steps so to the Stars Academy of
Speaker 1: Arts and Science.
Speaker 2: Why is it an academy because teaching people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's there's teaching, there's science, there's arts major you know,
Speaker 1: there's film franchises. So what this doesn't say musicals? No musicals, right,
Speaker 1: it's only musicals.
Speaker 2: Sorry, musicals. Everything's cool, but really stupid art form.
Speaker 1: Well yet it's it's a musical, but it's very salacious,
Speaker 1: very very sexual musicals. But okay, So what we did
Speaker 1: essentially is you have a senior engineer, chief engineer from
Speaker 1: the classified aerospace world building shit, and then you have
Speaker 1: a guy like me that's putting out some stories and
Speaker 1: making some movies about some things. And then you have
Speaker 1: my physicists.
Speaker 2: Can I stop you there, I'm sorry interrupt, But why stories?
Speaker 2: And why fiction?
Speaker 1: Like, why not just it's gonna be both, There's gonna
Speaker 1: be both.
Speaker 2: But why fiction?
Speaker 1: Why not just concentrate entirely on revealing the truth because
Speaker 1: it has to be managed in a certain way for
Speaker 1: people to understand. And I think that someone's sitting down
Speaker 1: and watching a debate play out and having an idea
Speaker 1: of what what went on over the past seventy years,
Speaker 1: they'll come out of that with an emotional response and
Speaker 1: more of an understanding, and then want to go watch
Speaker 1: the documentary and then want to buy some of the
Speaker 1: nonfiction works that we've done. I've already put out one
Speaker 1: of our nonfiction books with Secret Machines.
Speaker 2: Now that movie, what is it a rival? Is that
Speaker 2: the movie where there's like sort of weird time shit
Speaker 2: in that movie? Does that movie have any basis in reality?
Speaker 2: No secret people behind the scenes.
Speaker 1: No, I don't think so. But there's nothing in there
Speaker 1: that's familiar to me other than the fact that the
Speaker 1: dream sequences and the time stuff and her having flashes
Speaker 1: of that shit's absolutely on par and the idea of
Speaker 1: having an international group work together to figure something out
Speaker 1: that's absolutely on that.
Speaker 2: That that's happening right now, and everybody's keeping their mouths shut.
Speaker 2: Oh fuck, yeah, why are they doing that? Why aren't
Speaker 2: people spilling the beans?
Speaker 1: Well, it's not every I mean, look at lou Alizonda,
Speaker 1: the guy that works for me. They just came from
Speaker 1: the Pentagon, literally quit the Pentagon two weeks ago. I
Speaker 1: was I can't can tell you where I'm at, but
Speaker 1: I know I'm sorry, but but he's with me, and
Speaker 1: he was on stage with me on the live event
Speaker 1: we did on the eleven, saying I left the Pentagon
Speaker 1: days ago, I ran this particular UFO program and this
Speaker 1: is what we know and they are real and we're
Speaker 1: going to continue that program here at to the Stars.
Speaker 2: Now, what's your So your goal is to release this
Speaker 2: information through documentaries, through films and to educate people of
Speaker 2: the existence of this And is it to make a ship?
Speaker 1: Well no, so we're bringing so this is once again,
Speaker 1: look there by putting together. You can't attack this subject
Speaker 1: by just like if you make a movie that's a
Speaker 1: crazy movie, if you make a science paper on it
Speaker 1: and then no one's going to read it, and the
Speaker 1: technology will never see the light of day because it's
Speaker 1: been modified as weaponry or whatever it is. That the
Speaker 1: only way to get people to understand what the fuck
Speaker 1: is going on is by first present them the store
Speaker 1: so they have an understanding that it is real and
Speaker 1: it is happening, and lay it in a way that's
Speaker 1: grounded and practical but still moves you, and then follow
Speaker 1: up with the science and then show them that that
Speaker 1: thing you're watching in the movie can be engineered and created.
Speaker 1: So we are doing it all together. But there's a
Speaker 1: thing called a community of interest. So to the Stars
Speaker 1: is also building a portal with the Department of Defense
Speaker 1: to share information, to educate people, to put some declassified
Speaker 1: now declassified videos of UFOs, some science, some documents, and
Speaker 1: have open forms and have current military people talk to
Speaker 1: young adults.
Speaker 2: So you're going to expose people to this narrative and
Speaker 2: explain to them through stories what this could be. That
Speaker 2: sets the stage. Then you start to introduce the actual
Speaker 2: real elements that actually exist yep. And then eventually what's
Speaker 2: the endgame.
Speaker 1: Well, the endgame is to the technology itself. Is like,
Speaker 1: so when you make when you create this energy source
Speaker 1: that powers the spacecraft, it's called an over unity machine,
Speaker 1: so it puts out more power than what's put into it.
Speaker 1: You can desalinate ocean water with it, you can get
Speaker 1: rid of atomic power, so there's no radio, no more
Speaker 1: Fukushimas you know, it could do a lot of different things,
Speaker 1: but it also will rapidly, rapidly transform our entire transportation
Speaker 1: and communication network. So the end result with that is
Speaker 1: that'll get spun out into a company that's probably partners
Speaker 1: with major aerospace organizations, which with whom I'm already talking
Speaker 1: and we partner on that.
Speaker 2: Yes, you can't tell me who they are.
Speaker 1: No, fuck no, I can't tell you, and we bring
Speaker 1: that out to the world. But the only way that
Speaker 1: can be brought out to the world is if the
Speaker 1: public owns it and we build it from scratch.
Speaker 2: Why the public? Why does the public have to own it?
Speaker 1: Because well, I guess it could be in a way
Speaker 1: a private person, but the technology it probably has an
Speaker 1: l ament of what they call imminent domain. So we're
Speaker 1: going to get to a certain point where certain agencies
Speaker 1: will probably knock on our door and go, what the
Speaker 1: fuck are you doing? And we're going to say, the
Speaker 1: public owns this, you can't take it from them. They're
Speaker 1: going to say, fuck yeah, we can take it, and
Speaker 1: we're gonna say we're gonna work something out. Because it's
Speaker 1: like building a nuclear bomb in your basement kind of thing.
Speaker 2: So when you say the public owns it, like, how
Speaker 2: will that be possible? How will the public own it?
Speaker 1: You can go to our We've we reserved a small
Speaker 1: amount of shares of the company that people can buy
Speaker 1: stock in the company right now.
Speaker 2: So a year ago, the subs that's not the public,
Speaker 2: that's private it's not private ownership, right, if people buy
Speaker 2: the company can go public.
Speaker 1: But no, no, no, it is public. So a year
Speaker 1: and a half ago, maybe twenty four months ago, the
Speaker 1: SEC wanted to democratize going public with companies, just like
Speaker 1: an IPO, but not have to spend millions of dollars
Speaker 1: and do it. So they launched what's called a regulation,
Speaker 1: a direct public offering, and we had a file with
Speaker 1: the SEC. So we had to spend hundreds of thousands
Speaker 1: of dollars to do this, and we spent the last
Speaker 1: six months doing it, and our live event launched that.
Speaker 2: So you can go to to and you did this
Speaker 2: just so that you can tell the whoever the fuck
Speaker 2: it is that will come after you that, hey, the
Speaker 2: public owns this. You can't take this.
Speaker 1: That's one element of everything that we're doing. Yeah.
Speaker 2: That so you're anticipate, you're spending hundreds of thousands of
Speaker 2: dollars to anticipate someone coming in and closing the doors
Speaker 2: and that yet you're talking about it in advance. We're like,
Speaker 2: you're essentially telling strategizing that you know, but you're letting
Speaker 2: them know that you know that they're going to come
Speaker 2: and it's going.
Speaker 1: To be much harder to shut it down when the
Speaker 1: whole world has paid for it, invested in it, owns it.
Speaker 2: And uh so you're trying to get people to buy things.
Speaker 1: I'm trying.
Speaker 2: What do you mean you're trying to get people to
Speaker 2: buy stock?
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, right now we're public. You can buy shares
Speaker 1: of the company. You can only we only put up
Speaker 1: a very limited amount there. We only put it. I
Speaker 1: think we only put up five five million shares.
Speaker 2: So that seems like a lot of shares. How many
Speaker 2: shares are they're all others.
Speaker 1: Oh, there's like one hundred million probably or something like
Speaker 1: the hundred how's that?
Speaker 2: How's shares work?
Speaker 1: Shares like you just work?
Speaker 2: Like say, if we came up with Young Jamie Incorporated. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and we wanted to start selling shares.
Speaker 1: When you file as a corporation, you can issue shares
Speaker 1: and you can sell those shares to people, and those
Speaker 1: shares have a price based on, you know, how you
Speaker 1: want to value your company.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: Okay, so you could have like one hundred million shares
Speaker 2: of Young Jamie Incorporated. Yep, you sure can, okay, And
Speaker 2: so then the government can't shut you down? Bro?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well you guys maybe because you say a lot
Speaker 1: of bad words.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, Jamie doesn't. But I'm Morman.
Speaker 1: We do a lot at the company, right, So we're
Speaker 1: building essentially a science fiction version of Disney. Okay, so
Speaker 1: we have four film franchises, not all of them about UFOs.
Speaker 1: One is kind of this blade Runner night all about
Speaker 1: nightmares kind of thing. One is like an old ambulance Spielberg.
Speaker 2: Who's making these things? Oh?
Speaker 4: We are?
Speaker 2: I mean who's writing them?
Speaker 1: I wrote the first one. I'm directing that.
Speaker 2: Uh good directing too. I wrote this script and you
Speaker 2: multi talented motherfucker.
Speaker 1: Well look, I'm That's where I'm going with most of
Speaker 1: this stuff. But the company I had to get up
Speaker 1: and get going and set it up and we bring
Speaker 1: it CEO.
Speaker 2: And that's a bizarre formula, right, an entertainment company that's
Speaker 2: also gonna.
Speaker 1: Do aerospace and science and the well, the heart of
Speaker 1: it is when we do what's called confirmation, not disclosure, confirmation.
Speaker 1: The heart of it is is how do we tell
Speaker 1: stories that galvanize the human race and let them know
Speaker 1: a little bit more about what's going on, and how
Speaker 1: do we present them science so they understand that consciousness
Speaker 1: and a lot of other things are real, and how
Speaker 1: do we build a technology associated with those stories and
Speaker 1: with those science that can change the world. And that's
Speaker 1: why it's an academy.
Speaker 2: Do they have any pickled bodies anywhere?
Speaker 1: I believe they do.
Speaker 2: You believe they nobody's ever told you that. I believe.
Speaker 2: I believe they do. You believe they do. You can't
Speaker 2: say anymore.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to say any more in that you
Speaker 1: said so much.
Speaker 2: I can't say.
Speaker 1: Well, I could tell you other ship offline probably.
Speaker 2: Okay, offline. I can't wait to end this podcast. Kick
Speaker 2: me out, tell anybody play some weird shit. So now,
Speaker 2: what what's the timeline from moving forward with all this stuff?
Speaker 1: Okay, So in the next few weeks, we're going to
Speaker 1: be releasing the first declassified videos of these advanced aerial
Speaker 1: threat UFOs, and they are current videos that were just
Speaker 1: caught and with audio and everything of the people tracking them.
Speaker 1: And we're going to launch the beta version of the
Speaker 1: Community of Interest, which is the partnered website that's going
Speaker 1: to be hosting all this declassified information where we're gonna
Speaker 1: be having the hardcore conversations with people that want to
Speaker 1: understand this stuff. We're going to be also doing an
Speaker 1: experiment with that piece of metal to show the world
Speaker 1: that the technology is not only real, but it's demonstratable.
Speaker 1: And the videos are very much a proof of concept.
Speaker 1: You know, it's showing you look at works, you know,
Speaker 1: so we're gonna build it.
Speaker 2: And do you think it's going to be weird for
Speaker 2: people to take you seriously because you're a rock star,
Speaker 2: Like maybe if you're like some sort of a physicist
Speaker 2: avery scientist, they would listen to you more.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I remember when Elon came out years
Speaker 1: ago and he started SpaceX and then he started test that.
Speaker 1: I'm like, here's this dude saying all this ambitious ship.
Speaker 1: I didn't buy any of it.
Speaker 2: I think guy's one hundred times smarter than the both
Speaker 2: of us combined.
Speaker 1: He's fucking gnarly, I know, but I'm just saying he
Speaker 1: maybe maybe I think he is. I mean, shit, he's badass.
Speaker 1: But look at the people. What's interesting to me is
Speaker 1: you haven't seen who are with? Have you looked at
Speaker 1: the bios on this ship?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you got to read the bios of the people.
Speaker 2: I wanted I didn't want to be tainted.
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk to you well, one of one
Speaker 1: of the the on my on my sat, the Scientific
Speaker 1: Board Advisory Board is you know, one of the guys
Speaker 1: at CIA that headed up the entire bio warfare program
Speaker 1: and the director to Operations of the Clandestine Division.
Speaker 2: So all these guys have found you how various ways.
Speaker 2: So they've come to you because you like the beacon.
Speaker 2: I I did something this is the way to go.
Speaker 1: I did something that no one thought was possible. What
Speaker 1: that was tying together a mechanism that can perpetually fund
Speaker 1: itself and can communicate and can innovate all with people
Speaker 1: that sit at a seat. I created a roundtable with engineers, scientists, intel,
Speaker 1: high ranking intelligence officials and some others I can't tell
Speaker 1: you about obviously. And this in the defense world it's
Speaker 1: called stove piping. So when they when they compartmentalize a secret,
Speaker 1: they put them into these vertical categories that can't talk
Speaker 1: to each other. I created a horizontal structure where all
Speaker 1: these people in these amazing accomplished positions and government were
Speaker 1: able to come together at the same table and they
Speaker 1: can discuss what we want to teach the world and
Speaker 1: how we want to do that. But the way to
Speaker 1: do that is including the public and making a public
Speaker 1: benefit corporation. And what that means is we're able to
Speaker 1: spend money and it's in our charter on things that
Speaker 1: can benefit the world and not just provide a return
Speaker 1: to the investors. But what we're doing happens to be
Speaker 1: extremely lucrative my engine lucrative for investors, for investors and
Speaker 1: the company.
Speaker 2: So how is it, like, say, if young Jamie wants
Speaker 2: to be a part of it, what does he have
Speaker 2: to do?
Speaker 1: You just go to the Stars Academy dot com and
Speaker 1: you buy shares whatever you want to buy.
Speaker 2: But how will it be lucrative for him?
Speaker 1: Because the first of all, the technology it sells like
Speaker 1: a trillion dollar thing. If we can figure that out
Speaker 1: over the next eight years, and they think we can,
Speaker 1: so they who's there the engineers that are building this thing.
Speaker 1: The guy so Steve Justice, that was head of advanced
Speaker 1: Programs at the skunk Works, we talked about that they
Speaker 1: build all of our They are the tip of the
Speaker 1: spear for the most advanced spacecraft and aircraft that the
Speaker 1: United States National Security opperatus has period period, hands down,
Speaker 1: and he was the big boy there and their model.
Speaker 1: We think we have a you know, this is a
Speaker 1: this is a guest, but I think there's a sixty
Speaker 1: percent chance within thirty six months or so we'll be
Speaker 1: able to demonstrate something pretty kick ass. And as long
Speaker 1: as there's no major obstacle there, we think within eight
Speaker 1: years we'll be able to have something. But it's expensive
Speaker 1: and we've got to work with the government, and we're
Speaker 1: gonna have to work with major aerospace For example, this
Speaker 1: one meeting I have coming up with with a big
Speaker 1: name aerospace company is offering their material sciences division.
Speaker 2: We need that.
Speaker 1: We need to be able to create certain metals that
Speaker 1: can resonate in certain certain frequencies. Shit like that. The
Speaker 1: other way that the company makes money is when we
Speaker 1: build this the satellite launching system. That's like exactly what
Speaker 1: Elon's doing now, putting satellites in orbit. But we don't
Speaker 1: have to build rockets. We can launch them with lasers.
Speaker 2: That's a big, big deal.
Speaker 1: You point lasers at the bottom of a cube SAT,
Speaker 1: which is like the size of a shoe box, and
Speaker 1: you could put it into lower th orbit and you
Speaker 1: can put it up even higher without using any fossil
Speaker 1: fuels with using light. That's a big deal. That's a
Speaker 1: multi billion dollar gimmick, right there.
Speaker 2: Has this been proven? Yeah, I told you the video.
Speaker 1: It's in our launch video. If you watch the video
Speaker 1: at the top of the Tooth the Stars Academy dot
Speaker 1: com page, you'll see shots of it where little thing's
Speaker 1: glowing and it's getting beamed up into the sky. That's
Speaker 1: the Air Force. Yeah, guys were on that project.
Speaker 2: Little things glowing like yeah, like a mass though, like
Speaker 2: a satellite.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, they're called cubes Do you know what a
Speaker 1: CubeSat is. No, A CubeSat is a modular box that
Speaker 1: you put together as modules based on what you need. Okay,
Speaker 1: I need a thrust, I need a sensor, and I
Speaker 1: need a fucking RF signal thing to send the data
Speaker 1: back home. So now you got three little boxes attached.
Speaker 1: That's a cubeset. They call them cubes So it's essentially
Speaker 1: it's probably eighty percent of the satellite business. But now
Speaker 1: they got to put all these CubeSats together on Musk's
Speaker 1: rocket that's also launching giant satellites for DoD or whatever.
Speaker 1: But it's super expensive because you have a rocket and
Speaker 1: you have all the fossil fuels and all this stuff.
Speaker 1: If you launch these cube SATs with lasers because they're
Speaker 1: not that heavy, and you can, like I said, it
Speaker 1: would take a cost of launching a cube set from
Speaker 1: fifty grand a pound down to five grand. That's a
Speaker 1: huge So.
Speaker 2: There's a video of this actually happening. That's on your
Speaker 2: what is the to the Star Academy dot com is what.
Speaker 1: It is, and you can watch the you can watch
Speaker 1: the video, and then you go to the entertainment division,
Speaker 1: which is my primary spot, you know, making movies and
Speaker 1: selling millions of books and licensing the stuff out is
Speaker 1: the is the reason why Disney's three hundred billion and
Speaker 1: Warner Brothers is five billion. Warner Brothers just makes movies.
Speaker 1: Disney's makes they make franchises, and they're vertically integrated. We
Speaker 1: put out the book, we put out the T shirts,
Speaker 1: we make the movie. So that's really where we're going.
Speaker 1: And we have we have three television series that are
Speaker 1: probably one of which will be announced probably in the
Speaker 1: next couple of weeks. The other two we're a little
Speaker 1: further out on that. The first film, our first film
Speaker 1: is first Quarter next year. I wrote that one and
Speaker 1: I'll be directing that one. It's called Strange Times, which
Speaker 1: is like a hard R version of the Goonies, but funny,
Speaker 1: but scary and fucked up, but with seventeen and eighteen
Speaker 1: year old kids. And then and then Secret Machines, the
Speaker 1: motion picture that's These are all franchises. So Strange Times
Speaker 1: has an animated series that's coming out. We have a
Speaker 1: wonderful writer from saraynt Live that's show running the thing.
Speaker 1: We have an unscripted show coming out on the entire company,
Speaker 1: just following us in a very national geographic way. As
Speaker 1: we do all these things, and as we build lasers,
Speaker 1: as we're on the movie sets, as we're in the lab,
Speaker 1: you know, pinging that those pieces of metal I told
Speaker 1: you about. So there's a lot of things like that going.
Speaker 1: So when you ask about how do we monetize all
Speaker 1: this shit, we have a full functioning entertainment division. It's
Speaker 1: been up for a few years. That's what I've been doing,
Speaker 1: and that's how I made the book, and we've put
Speaker 1: out seven novels already.
Speaker 2: But your end goal is ultimately to expose all this information.
Speaker 2: My end goal is not just that.
Speaker 1: My end goal is to build a company that changes
Speaker 1: the world. And by doing a traditional IPO in the
Speaker 1: next five to seven years. And to do that, I
Speaker 1: grabbed very very high ranking people from various areas in
Speaker 1: the government to achieve all this stuff. And they don't
Speaker 1: need to come in on the movies. I have that
Speaker 1: on lock. That's my thing. But it can it can
Speaker 1: function as a way to help people understand what the
Speaker 1: fuck is going on. So some of the movies, some
Speaker 1: of the TV series, some of the non fiction works
Speaker 1: that we do will all be about that subject, but
Speaker 1: the rest of it won't be.
Speaker 2: All Right, dude, well that's a very ambitious project, and
Speaker 2: let us know when you're ready to go to the
Speaker 2: Moon or Mars or wherever the fuck you're gonna go. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you can go to Uranus all those places. And uh,
Speaker 2: I hope it's all real. I'm excited. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2: Oh thanks for coming on, brother, Yeah, appreciate so much.
Speaker 2: Thank you. Bye, everybody, all right, are we off?
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