Former USAF Analyst Reveals Ongoing Contact with Non-Human Intelligence| Ft Michaela Fachar

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4:00 Speaker 5: in my top twenty. She is a experiencer and former

4:05 Speaker 5: military veteran and whistleblower. Mikayla Fashar has traveled into Boston

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4:17 Speaker 5: I'm good?

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4:57 Speaker 3: So how is your trip in?

4:58 Speaker 4: It was good? Yeah, yeah, I just flew in from DC.

5:02 Speaker 4: It was a nice trip. Met Jean at the airport.

5:05 Speaker 5: Yeah. He's wonderful, right, yeah, incredible. Uh, former military, so

5:09 Speaker 5: it's easy to acclimate and talk to. And yeah, so

5:14 Speaker 5: our last conversation was.

5:16 Speaker 3: Really, really, really interesting. A lot of people.

5:20 Speaker 5: That was right after the bombing of the or not

5:24 Speaker 5: the bombing, but when the Tesla caught fire outside of

5:29 Speaker 5: Trump Tower in Vegas, the Matthew Livelsburger stuff, and that's

5:34 Speaker 5: kind of how I got to know you through that scenario.

5:39 Speaker 5: So for anyone who doesn't know, or maybe doesn't remember,

5:42 Speaker 5: can you give me just a little bit of an

5:44 Speaker 5: introduction and background on who you are.

5:47 Speaker 4: Sure my name is Mikhaela Fachar. I was an Air

5:52 Speaker 4: Force veteran. I worked in intelligence. I worked in the

5:56 Speaker 4: intelligence community. I've held several civilillion jobs in the IC,

6:02 Speaker 4: which is short for Intelligence community. I was an all

6:05 Speaker 4: source intelligence analyst in the Air Force Reserve. I did

6:09 Speaker 4: a deployment to Aludd Air Base and Cutter and then

6:13 Speaker 4: I've also done a few active duty stints here and there,

6:16 Speaker 4: to include Currentlin Air Force Base in New Mexico where

6:19 Speaker 4: I did counter space intelligence for Air Force Research Laboratory.

6:26 Speaker 5: Wow, so you have I mean, you have quite the

6:29 Speaker 5: quite the background in intelligence and all source is an

6:36 Speaker 5: all source analysts?

6:37 Speaker 4: Yes?

6:38 Speaker 5: Right, So you're you know, collecting data from uh several

6:44 Speaker 5: you know, all sources and kind of whittling it down

6:48 Speaker 5: to a package that you can deliver to someone in

6:51 Speaker 5: the field maybe or your higher ups. Is that kind

6:54 Speaker 5: of how it works? What brought you into the up community?

7:01 Speaker 5: Going from you know, a very young person who seemed

7:08 Speaker 5: to have the world by the by the grips and

7:11 Speaker 5: you could do whatever you wanted.

7:14 Speaker 3: How did you end up here today?

7:17 Speaker 5: Like?

7:17 Speaker 3: How did you get into the UFO world?

7:21 Speaker 5: You know? Is it a sighting or is it something else?

7:23 Speaker 4: After my deployment to Al you Did Air Base in Qatar,

7:27 Speaker 4: I came back I started my first semester at Georgetown

7:31 Speaker 4: University's School of Foreign Service. This was in fall of

7:35 Speaker 4: twenty twenty one. During my time at Georgetown, in these

7:39 Speaker 4: first few months starting there, I started to experience what

7:44 Speaker 4: I could only describe at the time as perhaps some

7:48 Speaker 4: sort of psychotic features or psychosis, and it came in

7:53 Speaker 4: the form of thoughts that were very on the There

8:00 Speaker 4: was nothing to compare to my past like I've never had,

8:02 Speaker 4: like a series of thoughts in epiphanies, rather about human affairs,

8:08 Speaker 4: about where I would go on my trajectory in my future.

8:11 Speaker 4: I worked in national security and I was really I

8:15 Speaker 4: was focused on US China relations. But as I was

8:18 Speaker 4: deciding on what topic I would hype home in on

8:21 Speaker 4: to focus on during Georgetown, and this was on my

8:24 Speaker 4: spare time while I was attending school, I started to

8:28 Speaker 4: experience what people would now I know, experiencers describe in

8:34 Speaker 4: the form of my technology glitching. I had these thoughts

8:39 Speaker 4: about perhaps the world was going to come to an end.

8:42 Speaker 4: I never had this before, and it really started to

8:46 Speaker 4: kick off the second that I was doing research on

8:49 Speaker 4: what China was doing to leap frog the United United

8:52 Speaker 4: States with quantum technology.

8:55 Speaker 3: So that's a lot.

8:58 Speaker 5: How now I'm gonna be the skeptic here. How are

9:02 Speaker 5: we not sure that this is some sort of like

9:08 Speaker 5: you said, psychosis, like actual just mental health breakdown where.

9:14 Speaker 3: Like where drugs involved.

9:17 Speaker 5: You know, how, how are you sure that it wasn't

9:21 Speaker 5: that versus something else?

9:26 Speaker 4: Sure? So I started taking Straterra because I was having

9:30 Speaker 4: trouble focusing when I got back from my deployment. It

9:33 Speaker 4: seemed like I wanted to focus on everything. I can't

9:35 Speaker 4: do that for school. So stra Tara is a non

9:38 Speaker 4: stimulant adderall. Well, it's like adderall, but non stimulant. And

9:42 Speaker 4: I was just transitioning from Adderall, a stimulant, which I

9:47 Speaker 4: was on for a couple of weeks, when I decided

9:49 Speaker 4: I want to do a non stimulant. I don't like

9:51 Speaker 4: how I feel an aaterall. When I started Straterra one week,

9:55 Speaker 4: and that's when things started to accelerate. Suddenly I felt

9:58 Speaker 4: that I didn't need to take Straterra. I stopped cold turkey.

10:02 Speaker 4: But here's the thing. It wasn't my own realization, Like

10:05 Speaker 4: it wasn't my revelation that it was et contact. It

10:09 Speaker 4: was a Friday, and I have to get the date,

10:11 Speaker 4: end of October, October twenty fifth, weekend of twenty twenty one,

10:15 Speaker 4: where I was on my way to school and it

10:18 Speaker 4: was my class that I was going to at nine am,

10:21 Speaker 4: so I was going to Georgetown. I was driving to

10:23 Speaker 4: Georgetown from McLean, Virginia, where I lived, when a series

10:27 Speaker 4: of US government vehicles were getting in front of me

10:33 Speaker 4: and kind of direct. It felt that it was directing me.

10:36 Speaker 4: And I have to describe that more in detail to

10:38 Speaker 4: you because it's not clear cut. It felt they were

10:41 Speaker 4: directing me, and they were, and I started following them,

10:44 Speaker 4: and then I started to have these thoughts in my head.

10:48 Speaker 4: For example, I was driving and making a UI going

10:52 Speaker 4: back from Georgetown, following one of the US government vehicles

10:55 Speaker 4: to Arlington, Virginia, and the thought popped in my head

10:59 Speaker 4: to go fast, and I felt like I had to

11:02 Speaker 4: follow these vehicles because these happened immediately after I started

11:07 Speaker 4: to experience what I felt was the world coming to

11:10 Speaker 4: an end because United States and China would end up

11:13 Speaker 4: a nuclear war. So that epiphany was what really propelled me.

11:19 Speaker 4: Had it been any other day, I would not have

11:21 Speaker 4: felt that this was necessary. I felt in this moment,

11:24 Speaker 4: and I remember thinking about how I was thinking about

11:27 Speaker 4: it or thinking about my decisions. Rather, I felt that

11:31 Speaker 4: in the worst case scenario, I have mental health issues

11:35 Speaker 4: and I can just continue on and go to seek therapy,

11:39 Speaker 4: seek help, go get a diagnosis. But in the small

11:44 Speaker 4: case that I landed on something that we would go

11:47 Speaker 4: to war for some reason, I figured out they're going

11:50 Speaker 4: after quantum technology, that I would at least be able

11:54 Speaker 4: to notify people within the US government, and that maybe

11:57 Speaker 4: they had picked it up. I just want to caveat this.

12:02 Speaker 4: I would need to walk you through this series of

12:05 Speaker 4: things that led me to when I was brought to

12:09 Speaker 4: the hospital.

12:10 Speaker 5: Okay, so are these visions of nuclear war or all

12:16 Speaker 5: out conflict are you? Are you seeing it like a

12:22 Speaker 5: vision or is it a feeling urgency?

12:27 Speaker 4: I felt urgency, like fight or flight kicked in. I

12:32 Speaker 4: felt urgency. So I had worked in the intelligence community.

12:36 Speaker 4: I started reaching out to different people prior to this trip.

12:40 Speaker 4: When I was brought to Virginia Hospital Center, this was

12:44 Speaker 4: where this black program informed me that this is et contact.

12:49 Speaker 4: That's the only time when aliens popped in my mind.

12:53 Speaker 4: I had never thought this was et contact until they

12:55 Speaker 4: showed me depictions. It's not like you sit down and

12:58 Speaker 4: have a direct conversation, because if you have to explain

13:01 Speaker 4: something to someone without using some sort of interpretive kind

13:06 Speaker 4: of symbolism, if you have to sit down and over explain,

13:10 Speaker 4: that person is probably not supposed to be in a

13:12 Speaker 4: certain position.

13:13 Speaker 5: Right.

13:14 Speaker 4: So, in general, like they use symbolism, spiritual symbolism, and

13:19 Speaker 4: then the way that it was described with the symbolism

13:22 Speaker 4: is their extraterrestrials and the only this is a gift.

13:26 Speaker 4: The only way to really figure it all out for

13:31 Speaker 4: myself is through my subconscious and analyzing why it was

13:35 Speaker 4: that I was given this intervention or whatever, and then

13:40 Speaker 4: start to peel away and figure out logically and rationally

13:43 Speaker 4: why would this happen. So it was quite a few

13:46 Speaker 4: years I had to deal with it, go through different

13:50 Speaker 4: steps to do the process of elimination mental health. I

13:54 Speaker 4: went to psychiatry, I went to get a diagnosis. We

13:59 Speaker 4: went through differ from day. First of all, diagnosed me

14:01 Speaker 4: with like a thousand things and then it went away

14:04 Speaker 4: and he said, okay, well maybe it's just PTSD. But

14:08 Speaker 4: here's the thing. What would give me PTSD except for

14:11 Speaker 4: me to have this anomalous experience.

14:14 Speaker 5: I see where you're going to. You did go down

14:18 Speaker 5: the road of I'm having a mental break like you.

14:21 Speaker 5: You tried to figure that out and it wasn't until

14:25 Speaker 5: later on where someone comes into your hospital from a

14:28 Speaker 5: black program, and so I gotta at you. You I

14:34 Speaker 5: have to ask, I wouldn't be doing my job if

14:39 Speaker 5: I didn't. I want to talk about that visit. Okay,

14:46 Speaker 5: first off, how are we not sure that they're doing

14:52 Speaker 5: something like the do you know Richard Benowitt's the story

14:57 Speaker 5: of Benowitt's with Rick Dody so Rick Dody soh Kirtland

15:06 Speaker 5: Air Force Base. By the way, it ties into it

15:09 Speaker 5: because you said you were at Kirtland right after.

15:12 Speaker 3: But I'm saying.

15:14 Speaker 4: I wanted to find to see if they had the

15:17 Speaker 4: UFO program because I started to get really obsessed with

15:21 Speaker 4: figuring out why, like there's some nexus between this and disclosure.

15:25 Speaker 4: So I actually I volunteered. I applied for a summer

15:29 Speaker 4: stint at Kirkland Air Force Base with Air Force Research Laboratory.

15:33 Speaker 5: Can you do me a favor and look up the

15:38 Speaker 5: Paul Benowitt's story and just get me the detail on it.

15:42 Speaker 5: So essentially what happens is Paul Benohitt's he's a calms

15:48 Speaker 5: guy and he's also a UFO researcher. He decides that

15:54 Speaker 5: he's going to monitor the radio and all the you know,

15:59 Speaker 5: the ham radio signals, all the signals.

16:02 Speaker 3: He's pretty good at it too, because he.

16:04 Speaker 5: Picks up on something something that the Air Force did

16:09 Speaker 5: not want him to know. So they dispatched Dody, who

16:12 Speaker 5: was then at that time assigned to os I, so

16:18 Speaker 5: he was essentially tasked with And what they came up

16:24 Speaker 5: with was they told Paul, hey, you saw yep, you

16:29 Speaker 5: I think what you you got his aliens. I think

16:31 Speaker 5: what you came across is extraterrestrial. I think you're onto

16:35 Speaker 5: some And they fed him so much bullshit that he

16:39 Speaker 5: started to think that he was working with the government.

16:41 Speaker 5: Now he ended up killing himself because he was institutionalized.

16:47 Speaker 5: Rick Dody obviously, he says that he had a a

16:55 Speaker 5: relationship with Paul. He he cared for him, but that

17:00 Speaker 5: his boss was they were pressuring him because he did

17:05 Speaker 5: get He did garner access to a black program. It

17:09 Speaker 5: just wasn't alien, it was it was stealth, and he

17:14 Speaker 5: and they wanted to steal, steal, steer him away from

17:17 Speaker 5: that is, do I have that right essentially? And and

17:21 Speaker 5: when did Paul Benowitt's kill himself or commit unlive specifically? Yeah,

17:36 Speaker 5: but that was at Kirtland. And so how are we sure?

17:44 Speaker 3: And again.

17:46 Speaker 5: I asked this because other people will ask if I don't,

17:50 Speaker 5: how are we sure they're not doing something similar?

17:53 Speaker 4: So my process of elimination. I never had another encounter

17:58 Speaker 4: with the US government related to this incident. I was

18:04 Speaker 4: they like, let me go. My initial feeling was, oh wow,

18:09 Speaker 4: like this is a gift and aliens are real. I remember,

18:13 Speaker 4: and I was still inflicted because it was a kind

18:17 Speaker 4: of a stunning experience. I remember calling my childhood friend

18:20 Speaker 4: who I never spoke about extraterrestrials with. I don't care.

18:23 Speaker 4: I didn't care about that, and I said, guess what.

18:25 Speaker 4: The US government brought me to a mental hospital and

18:27 Speaker 4: told me that ET's are real. She's like, she's a pharmacist.

18:30 Speaker 4: She looks, She's like, okay, and what are we taking?

18:34 Speaker 4: And then I realized, I said, oh dang, like they

18:37 Speaker 4: really like that was smart because I realized that I

18:41 Speaker 4: don't sound.

18:42 Speaker 5: Sentence inherently sounds bad.

18:45 Speaker 4: Yeah.

18:46 Speaker 3: I was at a.

18:46 Speaker 5: Mental hospital and the government told me that aliens exist.

18:50 Speaker 5: Doesn't sound like it's inherently conundric. Yeah, and I think

18:55 Speaker 5: I just made up a word conundric.

18:57 Speaker 3: But so, okay, back to you. Tell me, was it

19:04 Speaker 3: men in suits? Bring me back to that moment.

19:10 Speaker 5: What was going through your mind that when they're telling

19:13 Speaker 5: you this stuff, like, bring me back there?

19:15 Speaker 3: What was said?

19:17 Speaker 5: Did they label it extraterrustrial?

19:21 Speaker 4: Then let me go back to the night prior to this.

19:23 Speaker 4: That's when my internet started to glitch out. I was

19:26 Speaker 4: having all these thoughts about like the conscious not conscious,

19:29 Speaker 4: not really consciousness, but quantum physics. And maybe we're not

19:33 Speaker 4: categorizing the war with China correctly, and they're going after

19:37 Speaker 4: quantum technology. We're not prioritizing like it was. I was racing,

19:41 Speaker 4: you understand, Like I'm looking at different data, like different

19:43 Speaker 4: assumptions to try to understand, okay, which like where should

19:47 Speaker 4: I go when I'm with my career so that I

19:49 Speaker 4: can focus on filling in a niche like a niche

19:53 Speaker 4: or niche niche ye, yeah, like exactly. My English is

19:57 Speaker 4: my first language. Sorry, So well, I was trying to

20:00 Speaker 4: figure this out and YouTube. This is when I had

20:04 Speaker 4: some impulsive decision making. I don't watch anything about celebrities

20:08 Speaker 4: or Hollywood or anything like this, but YouTube. There's a

20:10 Speaker 4: video recommended to me, very bizarre considering I don't look

20:13 Speaker 4: at that kind of content. I clicked it immediately. It

20:16 Speaker 4: was almost instinctual. This is when I start to fall

20:19 Speaker 4: into this like psychotic state because it feels so intentional,

20:25 Speaker 4: Like it feels like I'm intentional, but it's not me

20:28 Speaker 4: because I rationally would just not care for like some

20:31 Speaker 4: celebrity video. In this video, I don't even know who

20:34 Speaker 4: this content creator is. He's he was an Asian guy.

20:37 Speaker 4: He's speaking about the relationship between fans and celebrities and

20:42 Speaker 4: K pop celebrities. What he's describing in this video is

20:47 Speaker 4: basically that fans developed this bizarre relationship with celebrities and

20:52 Speaker 4: that's the K pop stars have to hide their romantic

20:55 Speaker 4: relationships because the fans start threatening them. And I felt

20:59 Speaker 4: that this was very odd because I've witnessed this behavior

21:03 Speaker 4: from people that I went to school with, not maybe

21:06 Speaker 4: in the most intense sense of the word, but I've

21:09 Speaker 4: seen this kind of dynamic and in this video, it

21:13 Speaker 4: would start glitching out and the symbol from signs the G.

21:17 Speaker 4: You know, it looks kind of like a pendulum sort

21:19 Speaker 4: of or keeps popping up on different areas, and that's

21:24 Speaker 4: what was tripping me out. I didn't really care for

21:27 Speaker 4: the video, but that was what was tripping me out.

21:31 Speaker 5: So you're saying on your computer, literally, signs are popping.

21:36 Speaker 4: The G the G, and it looks kind of kind

21:39 Speaker 4: of like a pen. I don't know if it's meant

21:41 Speaker 4: to be a pendulum, but it kind of looks like

21:43 Speaker 4: a pendulum.

21:45 Speaker 3: So huh huh.

21:51 Speaker 5: Hmm.

21:54 Speaker 3: So what happens next?

21:56 Speaker 4: I start, I'm like my hands on desk. I'm like,

21:59 Speaker 4: no way, dude, Like this is not like I'm like,

22:02 Speaker 4: I can't. I already know I'm falling, you know what

22:05 Speaker 4: I'm doing during this time while I'm like, I feel

22:07 Speaker 4: myself kind of losing grip with reality because of this

22:10 Speaker 4: thing going on and this like weird dynamic that I'm

22:14 Speaker 4: I feel like something is like propelling me. I don't

22:16 Speaker 4: feel like it's et or anything like that, but I

22:19 Speaker 4: do feel this is very different. I'm doing math, like

22:24 Speaker 4: basic gre math questions to make sure that I still

22:27 Speaker 4: have my rational mind. I'm still like doing like the

22:30 Speaker 4: gr questions out of Jerry books. So I'm making sure, okay, like,

22:33 Speaker 4: let me make sure I'm still ground in reality while

22:35 Speaker 4: this is going on. That was the night before I

22:39 Speaker 4: was compelled to go or compelled to go to the hospital.

22:44 Speaker 5: Okay, And then we're at the hospital, and tell me

22:49 Speaker 5: about the people that tell you that that come in

22:53 Speaker 5: and tell you this, So how to bring me back

22:57 Speaker 5: in the hospital.

22:58 Speaker 4: I so the last car that brought me to the hospital,

23:03 Speaker 4: and I had never heard of Virginia Hospital Center. I've

23:05 Speaker 4: never been to a hospital like in Virginia and never

23:10 Speaker 4: for it, never been to anywhere for mental health issues.

23:13 Speaker 5: So you that was another Actually I should have asked

23:15 Speaker 5: that sooner. So no prior history of any disassociation or

23:24 Speaker 5: problems with perception of reality, no mental health diagnosis prior

23:29 Speaker 5: to this episode.

23:31 Speaker 4: No, okay, okay, besides getting the straterra, the recent straterra medication.

23:38 Speaker 5: Right right medication, so.

23:42 Speaker 3: You check into the hospital.

23:44 Speaker 4: Well, the last vehicle was not a US government vehicle.

23:48 Speaker 4: And this was a point where I was saying to myself,

23:51 Speaker 4: I don't see the US government vehicle because I'm trying

23:53 Speaker 4: to follow it. But I get stuck at a red

23:56 Speaker 4: light and I'm following it. It goes on the highway.

23:59 Speaker 4: I follow highway and as I'm about to approach Arlington,

24:02 Speaker 4: I said, you know what, like I need to go.

24:04 Speaker 4: I'm going to just go straight to Georgetown. We have

24:06 Speaker 4: free mental health services called CAPS. I'm going to go

24:08 Speaker 4: straight to counseling and get this figured out because I

24:12 Speaker 4: can't afford I'm going to school, very expensive school I

24:15 Speaker 4: can't afford to like, and I have a top secret clearance,

24:18 Speaker 4: right So I just at this point, I'm like, I

24:20 Speaker 4: can't risk having a mental health profile. But I can't

24:24 Speaker 4: risk whatever the whatever I'm doing right now. So I

24:27 Speaker 4: get off the highway. It's Arlington, Virginia. I'm in the

24:30 Speaker 4: left lane so that you can literally go over the

24:32 Speaker 4: bridge and go back, so I can go back towards Georgetown,

24:35 Speaker 4: towards school. And I'm in the left lane, right left

24:40 Speaker 4: can left turn. Only the car in front of me

24:42 Speaker 4: is regular gray, not unmarked, nothing out of the ordinary,

24:46 Speaker 4: just a regular civilian vehicle or p personal vehicle. And

24:50 Speaker 4: the guy has his right blinker on but it's only

24:54 Speaker 4: left turn. And then he puts his hand out the

24:56 Speaker 4: window like this for me and I said, I feel

25:02 Speaker 4: like that he's signaling me. So then I feel again

25:05 Speaker 4: that intense feeling of compulsion to follow him, and I

25:09 Speaker 4: follow him. He turns into a Virginia hospital center, which

25:13 Speaker 4: I didn't even know it was a host I didn't

25:14 Speaker 4: even know where I was going. I thought it was obviously.

25:17 Speaker 4: I felt like, maybe this is a black program or something,

25:21 Speaker 4: but no, they brought me to the hospital. Go in there.

25:24 Speaker 4: I park my vehicle, I leave my phone in the car,

25:26 Speaker 4: and I follow him. He's a black dude, maybe like

25:29 Speaker 4: around my age, black eye with glasses. I follow him

25:32 Speaker 4: to the elevator in it's like the parking lot of

25:35 Speaker 4: the hospital. And while we're waiting for the elevator, I'm

25:39 Speaker 4: kind of standing there trying to play it cool because

25:41 Speaker 4: I thought, oh, like this is some kind of black program.

25:43 Speaker 4: It feels government ish. I had nuclear war feelings. I

25:47 Speaker 4: speak Mandarin. Maybe maybe's I don't know, maybe they're interested

25:50 Speaker 4: in me, but I'm still trying to understand where I'm

25:55 Speaker 4: standing with my perception of reality too.

25:59 Speaker 5: Right, So the whole time you're you're actually having mental breakdown,

26:03 Speaker 5: kind of like you're still you're like grasping on to

26:07 Speaker 5: make sure that you're.

26:08 Speaker 4: I'm contending with Okay, what is the situation I'm in

26:11 Speaker 4: right now?

26:11 Speaker 5: And did he say anything to you?

26:14 Speaker 4: Yeah, he said one thing to me. Well, two things.

26:16 Speaker 4: The first thing is we're waiting for the elevator. He

26:18 Speaker 4: doesn't talk to me. I'm not going to talk to

26:20 Speaker 4: him because I said, you know, I know a thing

26:22 Speaker 4: or two about this, So no, I'm not going to

26:25 Speaker 4: do it.

26:25 Speaker 5: You're not going to open up dialogue.

26:28 Speaker 4: Yeah, because I'm like, I don't know what's going on.

26:30 Speaker 4: And one of the people who's like a normal hospital patient,

26:35 Speaker 4: she has like a baby. She presses the elevator and

26:39 Speaker 4: it's one elevator only can go up from this like

26:43 Speaker 4: parking level, and he says that hey, like he said,

26:48 Speaker 4: look at the arrow. The arrow says it's going down,

26:51 Speaker 4: but you're going up. And I look at it and

26:54 Speaker 4: I realized the arrow is upside down. I said, oh, yeah, huh.

26:58 Speaker 4: And then I don't know what to say, so we've

27:00 Speaker 4: follow him. Doesn't say anything. I follow him to a

27:03 Speaker 4: doctor's office and I'm not sure what they want, but

27:07 Speaker 4: it kind of feels like a test. So he brings

27:10 Speaker 4: me to the orthopedic office, which is not related obviously

27:14 Speaker 4: to mental health. And then he just plops himself right

27:17 Speaker 4: down on the chair and he sits like this, and

27:19 Speaker 4: he looks at me. So I'm like, I look at him.

27:22 Speaker 4: I'm trying to play it cool because I'm like, if

27:24 Speaker 4: i'm I don't want to look crazy, right, I can

27:27 Speaker 4: kind of like stifle it. I'm aware that there's an

27:30 Speaker 4: internal feeling of what this reality is and there's an

27:33 Speaker 4: external I'm not gonna like, I'm gonna keep the line

27:36 Speaker 4: separate so that I don't humiliate myself. And I'm standing there,

27:39 Speaker 4: I'm waiting and waiting line, and he looks at me.

27:41 Speaker 4: He says, are you just gonna wait in line? So

27:44 Speaker 4: then I feel that this is maybe me having to

27:47 Speaker 4: prove something that I'm not gonna wait in line that

27:49 Speaker 4: I know what's going on. I had no idea what

27:51 Speaker 4: was going on. So I just go reach the doors

27:54 Speaker 4: where the private you know, the patient in patient take

27:57 Speaker 4: or intake offices are in the orthopedic surgeon that section.

28:01 Speaker 4: I go all around and I go into the hallway

28:04 Speaker 4: and you know, the front desk where people were waiting

28:07 Speaker 4: wraps around. Yeah, So I just go be lined straight

28:10 Speaker 4: to that and I try to check myself in I

28:14 Speaker 4: play it cool. The woman who's working the front probably

28:18 Speaker 4: admin or an assistant, doesn't act out of the ordinary,

28:22 Speaker 4: doesn't think I'm out of the ordinary because I'm playing

28:24 Speaker 4: it real cool. And she says, oh, she says, uh,

28:28 Speaker 4: who are you here to see? Well, well, you don't

28:31 Speaker 4: know well the others. So so I'm like, Okay, this

28:34 Speaker 4: has to be government. This has to be military maybe, right,

28:37 Speaker 4: But where is like the like the gray area where

28:40 Speaker 4: I can like try to see if it was connected

28:43 Speaker 4: maybe to my service in working one of the three

28:48 Speaker 4: letter agencies. I know a psychiatrists. He's not a psychiatrist,

28:53 Speaker 4: he's a psychologist. I had worked in an office where

28:57 Speaker 4: there was an army psychologist in the offic in the summer.

29:01 Speaker 4: So I name drop him because I'm like, that's the

29:03 Speaker 4: only person I could imagine. Maybe they maybe they have

29:06 Speaker 4: like their connections, because why would a government, if it

29:10 Speaker 4: is government, reach out to me. Nope, they don't have

29:14 Speaker 4: his name there. And I say, I just play along.

29:17 Speaker 4: I say, oh, okay, uh, I must be I must

29:20 Speaker 4: be at the wrong office. I'm gonna have to go check.

29:23 Speaker 4: So I go and I leave the office. I I'm like,

29:28 Speaker 4: I'm like, screw this. Sorry, I don't occurs. I'm like,

29:30 Speaker 4: screw this. I'm not I'm not humiliating myself, you know,

29:33 Speaker 4: like my ego is just like it knows right, Like

29:36 Speaker 4: I'm not a boundaries certain boundaries. So I'm like, now

29:38 Speaker 4: this is like a game. This person they're playing games.

29:42 Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure it's the government and they're playing games,

29:45 Speaker 4: which is really like, you know, it's really irritating me

29:48 Speaker 4: at that point, but I say, you know what, I

29:50 Speaker 4: have no choice. I'm just having mental health issues if

29:54 Speaker 4: anyone asks, because they can do that like kind of

29:56 Speaker 4: thing where they're intentional, but then they can pretend, you know,

29:59 Speaker 4: they do like these kind of game. So I said, okay,

30:01 Speaker 4: I'm just going to be aligned to behavioral Health unit.

30:03 Speaker 4: I go straight to behavioral health. I say, you know what,

30:05 Speaker 4: just check me in. At this point, I don't care.

30:07 Speaker 4: I needed they'll do diagnostic whatever. But I go to

30:11 Speaker 4: the behavioral health unit. I go to the elopement zone,

30:13 Speaker 4: which is like a barricaded door so it's an in

30:16 Speaker 4: it's a like an in house prison for people who

30:20 Speaker 4: are mentally unstable.

30:21 Speaker 5: And yeah, once the door is locked behind you.

30:24 Speaker 4: Yeah, So there was like a phone in front of

30:27 Speaker 4: the door, and I don't know why, my like association

30:31 Speaker 4: keeps like deferring back to government. It looks like a

30:34 Speaker 4: skiff at that time, So I keep flipping right. I'm like,

30:38 Speaker 4: I'm getting mental health. But there's like this association that

30:41 Speaker 4: keeps associating this experience with my time in the skiff.

30:45 Speaker 4: So I pick up the phone.

30:47 Speaker 5: Can you, sorry, can you explain what a skiff is?

30:53 Speaker 5: Just for anyone who doesn't know.

30:55 Speaker 4: It was like a special It's a compartment.

30:57 Speaker 5: Secure, compartmentalized information facility. So uh, it's a place where

31:02 Speaker 5: top secret people go to talk about top secret shit

31:06 Speaker 5: in the open, no technology allowed.

31:09 Speaker 4: God, and we work in them. We just like a

31:12 Speaker 4: nine to five job. We're just being a skiff. And sorry,

31:19 Speaker 4: I just al zero. Someone picks up and is a

31:22 Speaker 4: little confused. She says, uh, hello, I said, hi. I

31:27 Speaker 4: feel like I have to be here. I feel like

31:29 Speaker 4: I have to be seen. And she says, okay, who

31:31 Speaker 4: are you? Said, I'm just someone who walked into the

31:34 Speaker 4: hospital and I need to be seen, And she says, okay,

31:38 Speaker 4: I'm coming right out. One second. She comes right out.

31:40 Speaker 4: She sees me. She walks me to the front desk

31:44 Speaker 4: of the hospital where you initial taken for anything. I think,

31:48 Speaker 4: right when you first walk into an emergency room, and

31:51 Speaker 4: that's where they check me in. And then I go

31:53 Speaker 4: sit down. She goes back into her elopement zone, the

31:58 Speaker 4: ellotement zone, that barricaded area. I'm waiting there and suddenly

32:04 Speaker 4: I hear my name MICHAELA Mikayla. They say Mikayla, and

32:07 Speaker 4: people call me Mikayla. But I still like, look around

32:10 Speaker 4: because it's so frequent. And I look and I see

32:15 Speaker 4: another girl going into the office, into the intake office,

32:20 Speaker 4: and then I hear Mikayla again, and she's walking slow

32:23 Speaker 4: and she looks at me and she like kind of stops,

32:26 Speaker 4: or so it feels like it. But let me just

32:29 Speaker 4: let me just explain this too. We can't land on

32:34 Speaker 4: it being actually all government or it actually just me

32:38 Speaker 4: somehow being able to bypass all of these different processes,

32:42 Speaker 4: you know what I mean. So let me explain to you.

32:44 Speaker 4: It's still up in the air even to this day.

32:47 Speaker 4: Who was part of it? Who wasn't this black program? Okay,

32:52 Speaker 4: And I'll explain. You're to my confirmation for the black

32:55 Speaker 4: program in a little bit. So and the second time

33:01 Speaker 4: the name is called. I look at her. I say, okay,

33:03 Speaker 4: I'm gonna follow her into the office. I follow her,

33:06 Speaker 4: this stranger straight into patient intake and the nurses taking

33:10 Speaker 4: her in. She's sitting across from me, and I'm just

33:13 Speaker 4: sitting on a chair right in front of her. I

33:15 Speaker 4: just plant myself right there, and I'm out of it.

33:19 Speaker 4: I'm like completely like what's going on? But i feel like, okay,

33:22 Speaker 4: I'm just gonna say her. They pretend like I'm not there.

33:26 Speaker 4: Who's the nurse and the stranger? And are we aware

33:31 Speaker 4: of hipA violations? Because this was certainly one of them.

33:34 Speaker 4: They just let me do my thing. And I'm sitting

33:38 Speaker 4: there kind of like you know, inside, having like a

33:42 Speaker 4: little bit of like a WTF. But again, I'm not

33:45 Speaker 4: showing it on the surface. I'm just sitting here, like

33:48 Speaker 4: what's going on? They ignore me. She's getting checked, and

33:53 Speaker 4: I have this weird thought pop in my mind about

33:57 Speaker 4: a hall of mirrors, like I'm in some sort of

34:00 Speaker 4: it's like not black mirror, but there's like a mirror,

34:03 Speaker 4: and this is supposed to be some sort of like

34:06 Speaker 4: I'm supposed to understand or interpret this as a mirror

34:09 Speaker 4: of some sorts whatever, and I'm waiting. Then nurse leaves,

34:16 Speaker 4: and I think to myself, there's no way that this

34:19 Speaker 4: is not a government program, because how am I allowed

34:23 Speaker 4: to sit here. So I go straight to the computer

34:28 Speaker 4: where they check them in. The nurse is only one

34:30 Speaker 4: who can use it, and I try to register myself

34:33 Speaker 4: because I think that now they're trying to mess with me,

34:36 Speaker 4: that this is government because I never never a thought

34:40 Speaker 4: crossed my mind I could just like walk around and

34:42 Speaker 4: do whatever I want as a pay, as a potential patient,

34:46 Speaker 4: or just anyone. And while I'm about to check myself in,

34:50 Speaker 4: the nurse comes back in the room. She's like, what

34:52 Speaker 4: are you doing? And I said to her, I said, oh,

34:56 Speaker 4: I'm crazy. I need help. I'm crazy. I just said it.

35:00 Speaker 4: I was like, I'm crazy. I just need help. She's like,

35:02 Speaker 4: you're not supposed to be on there. It's a hip

35:03 Speaker 4: a violation. She says it like this, right. She speaks

35:06 Speaker 4: to me like a mental patient. So I said, okay, cool,

35:10 Speaker 4: this is still weird, right because I was in the

35:12 Speaker 4: room the whole time and they were ignoring me. So

35:14 Speaker 4: then I go, I stand up and I go sit

35:17 Speaker 4: on the chair. She like, whatever, takes care of the

35:20 Speaker 4: lady and lets her go about, lets me still stay there,

35:24 Speaker 4: and then she registers me. And then I'm going in

35:28 Speaker 4: a what are the gurn not a gurney?

35:30 Speaker 5: What a gurny?

35:31 Speaker 4: You know? It's the what's that where they like stretcher?

35:36 Speaker 4: There you go. But I'm not like tied down, right,

35:38 Speaker 4: I'm laying on the stretcher in the er room and

35:41 Speaker 4: they're waiting for a room to open up at this point. Right,

35:43 Speaker 4: So after I checked in get on this stretcher, they

35:46 Speaker 4: wheeled me there and they left me there for like

35:48 Speaker 4: seven hours. And while I'm in there, I'm looking around

35:51 Speaker 4: me and I'm like, I don't know if this is

35:55 Speaker 4: a government program, but I'm thinking to myself, I don't

35:59 Speaker 4: know if I should get out of it, because this

36:01 Speaker 4: is mental health. Like I'm having either government program mental

36:05 Speaker 4: health issue. Regardless of the situation. This experience was giving

36:07 Speaker 4: me mental health issues at that point. So I said,

36:10 Speaker 4: you know what, I'm in the right place. Screw it,

36:12 Speaker 4: I'm just going to stay. And as I'm sitting there,

36:15 Speaker 4: there were these kids, like these younger guys maybe like

36:17 Speaker 4: in twenties, who are walking by me, and they're kind

36:22 Speaker 4: of looking at me and walk by me like quite

36:23 Speaker 4: a few times. And they have logos like you know

36:28 Speaker 4: when you have like the logo fonts and a letter

36:32 Speaker 4: like X is split because it's the style, so it's

36:35 Speaker 4: kind of split. What is that called glitch style? Yeah, logo.

36:40 Speaker 4: What started happening was this person kept walking by and

36:43 Speaker 4: I don't know if he's just walking around the hospital

36:45 Speaker 4: or something. What happened to my perspective, my perception, my

36:49 Speaker 4: visual perception is it wouldn't make out the whole letter anymore.

36:53 Speaker 4: I could only see the parts. I couldn't see the

36:55 Speaker 4: whole letter. Your mind automatically helps you incorporate a whole

37:00 Speaker 4: structure if it's supposed to be a symbol of something,

37:03 Speaker 4: so X being a symbol of the letter. But when

37:05 Speaker 4: it was split in half, I could only see the

37:07 Speaker 4: hals and I couldn't see it. So something started happening

37:10 Speaker 4: to my visual perception. Anyway, I'm sitting there and finally

37:14 Speaker 4: six hours later, I'm having these intense internal experiences which

37:21 Speaker 4: are like mental health experiences. Obviously it's all mental and

37:26 Speaker 4: I finally am checked into the elopement zone. They had

37:28 Speaker 4: made a room for me. While I'm in there, I'm

37:32 Speaker 4: in psychosis, volunteering myself. They give me a time limit.

37:36 Speaker 4: She's like, you have this much time to sign all

37:37 Speaker 4: this paperwork. So as I'm signing it, I really like

37:42 Speaker 4: I can't even focus. At this point, I'm I'm not

37:45 Speaker 4: really sure what time it is. I'm not I'm kind

37:48 Speaker 4: of forgetting where I am, and I'm starting to lose

37:51 Speaker 4: grip with reality. Right, I'm completely losing grip with space time.

37:55 Speaker 4: But I have to sign these fasts. So I sign

37:57 Speaker 4: all the paperwork and then they take it and then

37:59 Speaker 4: they I mean my gown. They take all my stuff

38:01 Speaker 4: and I'm in grippy socks. Right, I'm like, okay, cool,

38:04 Speaker 4: I'm sitting there. As I'm sitting in grippy socks, I'm

38:08 Speaker 4: sitting there. I'm like, I'm like damn. I'm like, I don't.

38:12 Speaker 4: I'm like, I shouldn't have come here, right, because it's

38:15 Speaker 4: been like seven hours at this point. I didn't have

38:17 Speaker 4: my phone the whole time. My husband's off work and

38:21 Speaker 4: I missed him. I'm just thinking I should have just waited,

38:24 Speaker 4: Like why did I I felt like I had to come,

38:27 Speaker 4: But I don't think this is a government program. I

38:29 Speaker 4: think I'm having mental health issues. But now that I

38:32 Speaker 4: recognize it, I should have just went a normal way

38:35 Speaker 4: and not when impatient and I don't have my phone

38:37 Speaker 4: or anything, so I'm sitting there. As I'm sitting there,

38:41 Speaker 4: I started getting these like what you call downloads.

38:44 Speaker 3: So I was going to bring that up earlier.

38:48 Speaker 5: It sounds like something that could have happened as you

38:51 Speaker 5: were beginning some sort of process of what people have

38:55 Speaker 5: referred to in the past as downloads of future possible scenarios.

39:03 Speaker 5: And you're looking into the quantum side of things, and

39:09 Speaker 5: I mean, we if we want to talk about quantum,

39:12 Speaker 5: not to divert your because I want to finish this

39:15 Speaker 5: this story, but you're looking into quantum technology, You're having

39:20 Speaker 5: visions of the of of a possible future. You're you're well,

39:29 Speaker 5: you're having feelings of.

39:32 Speaker 4: The US that Washington d C is not China's figure

39:37 Speaker 4: something out and they're they're not figuring it out right,

39:40 Speaker 4: and that like China, And I don't know why I

39:43 Speaker 4: thought China's quantum technology was going.

39:45 Speaker 3: To right that is surpassing us.

39:50 Speaker 5: So the fact that you're looking into these things, you

39:54 Speaker 5: might have been the right person to get this information

39:57 Speaker 5: to because you do have a top clearance. You do

40:01 Speaker 5: have you know the China background and maybe yeah, maybe

40:07 Speaker 5: so I wanted to say it earlier, but this download idea,

40:14 Speaker 5: it starts to make sense, right. Uh, so we're skipping

40:20 Speaker 5: forward a little bit due to time. You're when you're

40:25 Speaker 5: in the inpatient, when you're in that locked room.

40:31 Speaker 3: To people, is that when the people come.

40:33 Speaker 4: To you, and so I have to call I'm sorry.

40:40 Speaker 4: There's like a bookshelf in the main room. There's like

40:43 Speaker 4: a little playroom. You have coloring pages and stuff like that.

40:46 Speaker 4: That's the main room, not your bedroom. I'm sitting in

40:49 Speaker 4: there and I get this nudge, this compulsion again to

40:54 Speaker 4: grab one of the books. And it's a book called California.

40:57 Speaker 4: It's kind of like humans of California, just everyday photographs

41:01 Speaker 4: of people, like construction workers, things like this. I open,

41:04 Speaker 4: I flipped to a page and the page is of

41:07 Speaker 4: a dark forest and it's like a glow in the

41:10 Speaker 4: dark forest. But the page with the page is talking

41:14 Speaker 4: about is crisper not a crisper gene editing, not talking

41:18 Speaker 4: about anything related, like I don't know why there was

41:20 Speaker 4: a forest, which honestly, like people will do like they'll

41:25 Speaker 4: do things that are unconscious, like they won't be very

41:27 Speaker 4: intentional about everything they do, so it doesn't always mean

41:30 Speaker 4: it's intentional. But I got this idea, this this something

41:36 Speaker 4: came in my mind saying we created you. And I

41:39 Speaker 4: didn't know, but it was the first time I was like,

41:42 Speaker 4: is this like some sort of I entertained extraterrestrial like

41:46 Speaker 4: they genetically edited humanity? I mean, I said, you know,

41:50 Speaker 4: I don't know if it was about me or human

41:52 Speaker 4: race whatever. I just like, I was just I was like, oh,

41:55 Speaker 4: like I threw it aside because I said, I don't

41:57 Speaker 4: need to be crazy anymore. I'm good, Like you know,

41:59 Speaker 4: I just said to get put aside.

42:01 Speaker 5: But this was a voice that was not your own,

42:03 Speaker 5: saying we created you.

42:05 Speaker 4: He's like feminine, very like he created you. But again

42:09 Speaker 4: I'm like, I don't need this right, I'm not trying

42:12 Speaker 4: to be like anywhere cuckoo, Like I just need to

42:14 Speaker 4: figure out this is like a government thing or whatever.

42:17 Speaker 4: While I'm sitting there, there was a doctor, not a doctor,

42:21 Speaker 4: but he he I think he was a worker and

42:24 Speaker 4: he was from Pakistan and he was Muslim. He told

42:27 Speaker 4: me and he asked me. He pulls me aside He's like,

42:30 Speaker 4: I want to ask you a question, and he pulls

42:33 Speaker 4: me aside. He said, I'm the CEO of Google, and

42:40 Speaker 4: I want to see if you're in a government, if

42:43 Speaker 4: you're in an American government position, he said, would you

42:46 Speaker 4: do me favors? If you just use your position to

42:50 Speaker 4: do me some favors.

42:51 Speaker 3: I'm sorry, what yep?

42:56 Speaker 5: Who is the CEO of Google.

42:57 Speaker 4: It's not this guy, it's not him. Listen to the question, right, Like,

43:02 Speaker 4: I want you to a focus on the question. He

43:03 Speaker 4: asked me if I would use my position a position

43:06 Speaker 4: of consequence for the for Americans to do him a favor.

43:12 Speaker 4: It was an ethical question, and I remember being being

43:16 Speaker 4: disgusted because.

43:17 Speaker 5: I said, like he was trying to see if you

43:18 Speaker 5: would still.

43:22 Speaker 4: Commit treason, not necessarily treason. I mean you have the internity.

43:26 Speaker 4: People go in and out different positions in DC, Like

43:29 Speaker 4: you go and work in the United Nations. You could

43:31 Speaker 4: go work for a Lockheed Martin. You could do all

43:33 Speaker 4: these different things, you know. But anyway, so he asked

43:36 Speaker 4: me that question, and I was like appalled because I said, like,

43:40 Speaker 4: I don't now I'm crazy. Now you're questioning my character,

43:42 Speaker 4: Like I don't know what's going on, but it's still

43:45 Speaker 4: now I'm led to believe again this has to be

43:48 Speaker 4: some sort of US government question, because obviously there's only

43:52 Speaker 4: one right answer. So if you're asking me this question,

43:55 Speaker 4: you're not looking for the wrong answer. And anyway, I

43:58 Speaker 4: walked away from him. I said, I'm not interested in this.

44:01 Speaker 4: And then that's when I went back to the library

44:03 Speaker 4: and I picked up a book. It was Ten Principles

44:06 Speaker 4: of Islam and I pick it up and I look

44:08 Speaker 4: at it's like a kid's book. He said, are you

44:10 Speaker 4: interested in Islam? He said, that's my religion, and I said,

44:13 Speaker 4: and I kind of ignored him because I just I

44:18 Speaker 4: want to know what this, what's going on? Right? I

44:20 Speaker 4: don't want to play these like dance around. I don't

44:22 Speaker 4: want to give him more information because I'm like, I

44:24 Speaker 4: don't know, I don't even know. I just grab a book. Anyway,

44:28 Speaker 4: I walked away from him. And then there was another guy.

44:32 Speaker 4: There is a maybe around my age, a black guy,

44:34 Speaker 4: and he sits by me, right, so these people are

44:37 Speaker 4: like engaging with me. This guy sits by me. There's

44:40 Speaker 4: a little desk and there's two chairs. He sits in

44:42 Speaker 4: that chair. He's like, I'm so tired, and he says

44:46 Speaker 4: it to me. He's like, I'm so tired. What do

44:47 Speaker 4: you recommend I do? I'm so tired. And then he

44:50 Speaker 4: keeps lifting his butt cheeks and farting, farting, and like

44:56 Speaker 4: usually like I would be so like I would be

45:00 Speaker 4: like so like I don't know, appalled and so I

45:05 Speaker 4: but I was so out of it at this point

45:07 Speaker 4: because it's like, the mind tricks are crazy right now

45:10 Speaker 4: on top of me having these weird downloads, these all

45:13 Speaker 4: these weird things going on. I've never been in a

45:15 Speaker 4: mental health facility, so that's also new experience. And I

45:21 Speaker 4: remember what I said to him, which is actually kind

45:23 Speaker 4: of funny. You know. I was like, you're not tired

45:26 Speaker 4: your potential energy, You're just you're at your you know,

45:30 Speaker 4: you could be like kinetic if you like really put

45:32 Speaker 4: your mind to it.

45:33 Speaker 3: You know.

45:33 Speaker 4: It was so stupid. I was really out of it.

45:36 Speaker 4: So I'm not just I want you to know that

45:38 Speaker 4: there was a mental health overlap with this, Okay, okay,

45:41 Speaker 4: and anyway, So that was a small interaction and then Friday, Yeah, Friday,

45:48 Speaker 4: I called my husband and then I try to call

45:51 Speaker 4: my dad. They both have eight of five areo codes,

45:53 Speaker 4: which is California, and I'm still obviously in New Arlington, Virginia,

45:57 Speaker 4: and that's causing me to have more distress because I'm

46:00 Speaker 4: I'm sarting to lose track of where i am because

46:02 Speaker 4: I'm having space time, like I'm getting all discombobulated. And

46:05 Speaker 4: because I call them, I'm like, am I in California?

46:07 Speaker 4: Why do they have California numbers? Like things are just

46:10 Speaker 4: like kind of fuzzy for me at this point. Fast

46:13 Speaker 4: forward the next day, So fast forward to that night.

46:16 Speaker 4: My roommate is schizophrenic. I she might be schizophrenic, but

46:21 Speaker 4: she's like talking and I'm I'm getting terrified now when

46:25 Speaker 4: she's talking her sleep. I asked for a room change

46:27 Speaker 4: because when I went to my room to go to

46:28 Speaker 4: sleep and she was like flailing and stuff, I was like,

46:31 Speaker 4: I'm ready to go. I can go home. I think

46:33 Speaker 4: I'm good. I don't want to, you know, be here anymore.

46:37 Speaker 4: They said, no, you can't leave. I said, what do

46:39 Speaker 4: you mean I can't leave this year? You're gonna have

46:40 Speaker 4: to stay overnight And I'm like, okay, I'll stay overnight.

46:45 Speaker 4: So then I don't stay overnight, or you have to

46:51 Speaker 4: stay in that room sorry. So I go back in

46:53 Speaker 4: the room and there's a bible, Gideon's Bible, and I

46:56 Speaker 4: start reading because I feel like you can't leave the

47:00 Speaker 4: elopement zone when you voluntarily check yourself in if whoever

47:04 Speaker 4: was in charge decided that you're a menace to society.

47:09 Speaker 5: Okay, continue, Yeah, So.

47:11 Speaker 4: I'm in there and I'm starting to I've never opened

47:16 Speaker 4: a Bible before this, and I just open up the

47:19 Speaker 4: Gideon's Bible. It's like right by your bed, and I

47:22 Speaker 4: start like flipping pages and praying, and I feel like

47:24 Speaker 4: this person next to me is suffering from demons, like

47:28 Speaker 4: she's really struggling. And I'm not religious, by the way,

47:31 Speaker 4: at this point, I'm still not religious in that sense,

47:34 Speaker 4: but anyway, like it's not like something that I would

47:36 Speaker 4: be like, oh, you're demonic, you know, never, But this moment,

47:40 Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm in this room, I'm sitting by the light,

47:42 Speaker 4: this small light, and I just feel like I'm like shaking.

47:46 Speaker 4: I'm praying because I'm like, but I'm praying, but it

47:48 Speaker 4: doesn't feel raw, Like I feel like I'm trying to

47:51 Speaker 4: act it out because I'm trying to like make her stop.

47:54 Speaker 4: I don't want her. I don't want to wake up,

47:56 Speaker 4: and I just don't want someone like like standing over me,

47:59 Speaker 4: like ye oh no, I'm like I can't. So I

48:01 Speaker 4: didn't sleep that night. And anyway, I didn't sleep that night.

48:06 Speaker 4: And what's crazy is I mean, it's not that crazy,

48:11 Speaker 4: but I felt it was crazy. Is I was very silent,

48:14 Speaker 4: I was very still, and I was very awake, like

48:17 Speaker 4: I was locked in, you know. I was like laying there,

48:19 Speaker 4: locked in because I'm like, I need to make sure

48:21 Speaker 4: I'm ready for something. She's laying on the other side.

48:26 Speaker 4: She's not looking at me. I would know because I'm

48:29 Speaker 4: making sure she's not focused on me. She says out loud,

48:33 Speaker 4: She's like she's not sleeping, and I'm like freaking out

48:37 Speaker 4: because I'm like, she better not be talking about me

48:39 Speaker 4: right now because I'm done. And she says, you're not

48:43 Speaker 4: she's not sleeping out loud, and I'm like, she's like, well, now,

48:46 Speaker 4: I'm gonna have to be up the rest of the

48:49 Speaker 4: whatever until I'm gone. So I was up all night

48:53 Speaker 4: until like six seven am. I get up, I go

48:57 Speaker 4: into the living room. She's just laying in bed. She

48:59 Speaker 4: was in bed like the whole time, and uh, I

49:02 Speaker 4: go out and living room, meaning like the where the

49:04 Speaker 4: bookshelves are. Yeah, and I'm just like doing whatever. And

49:10 Speaker 4: then I see an older guy, an older guy who's

49:13 Speaker 4: like really smelly. He looks like a veteran and he acts,

49:19 Speaker 4: you know like you you get that vibe. I get

49:21 Speaker 4: that vibe from Gene. You know, you know someone was in. Yeah,

49:24 Speaker 4: he like this guy is like I know he was in,

49:28 Speaker 4: and I say something he's like talking about me or

49:33 Speaker 4: he's talking to someone, but I feel like I have

49:35 Speaker 4: to listen to what he's saying because it could relate

49:38 Speaker 4: to me. And he's basically like this girl needs to

49:41 Speaker 4: mind her business or whatever. I don't know. I'm like, okay,

49:45 Speaker 4: like you're you're you have you're old and you have issues.

49:48 Speaker 4: Like I'm like making you know, I'm young and I'm

49:52 Speaker 4: aware I have issues, so then my awareness can also

49:55 Speaker 4: make sure you're like you're okay. And he just whatever

49:58 Speaker 4: he does, like whatever, talks people, and I'm kind of

50:01 Speaker 4: like sitting there. No one's engaging with me, no one's

50:04 Speaker 4: talking to me, and I'm at this point done. You know.

50:07 Speaker 4: I said I want to go home right now, because

50:09 Speaker 4: I thought this was going to be something that it isn't.

50:13 Speaker 4: And then I start getting really claustrophobic because I think

50:16 Speaker 4: to myself, I actually think that, yeah, I'm having mental issues.

50:24 Speaker 4: And I did think that this was something that wasn't.

50:27 Speaker 4: But now I'm starting to really think about life in

50:30 Speaker 4: general and people around me and people in the public,

50:34 Speaker 4: and I really start to feel that I think we

50:39 Speaker 4: might all be mental patients, like I believe I live

50:42 Speaker 4: in an asylum. And I was truly I was perplexed

50:46 Speaker 4: because I was like, should I like, what's the point

50:48 Speaker 4: of leaving? Because I do think that maybe, like we're

50:51 Speaker 4: all nuts and including myself. So then I start getting

50:55 Speaker 4: claustrophobic and I think to myself, well, I have nowhere

50:59 Speaker 4: to go at the point, and that's when I walk up.

51:04 Speaker 4: I walk into the to the main hallway. I'm pacing,

51:09 Speaker 4: kind of not pacing. I'm walking past the desk where

51:12 Speaker 4: the nurses are and they're reading a magazine or something,

51:14 Speaker 4: and a woman looks up at me, and I'm pretending

51:17 Speaker 4: to like have my clipboard with all like the take

51:20 Speaker 4: forms and stuff. I'm walking towards these escape door, the

51:25 Speaker 4: elopement zone door, elopement door. It has elopement on it,

51:29 Speaker 4: right I walked towards it, and I realized, actually, like

51:32 Speaker 4: there's nowhere to go because I'm starting to feel like,

51:34 Speaker 4: oh my, like I think this is like just all

51:37 Speaker 4: like you know, I think it's all like screwed. And

51:41 Speaker 4: then I dropped before I start flailing, I freak, I

51:43 Speaker 4: throw my clipwork. I'm like, I'm like, I don't care anymore.

51:45 Speaker 4: And I remember this just just came out of me.

51:47 Speaker 4: I was like, I will let you all die. I

51:49 Speaker 4: don't care. I'm done. I don't care. And I just

51:52 Speaker 4: realized that that after that, that that was my nuclear

51:55 Speaker 4: war code. That like kind of right tripped me out

51:57 Speaker 4: because I thought we were going to enter nuclear war.

52:00 Speaker 4: So I storm into my bedroom. I'm screaming, and I'm

52:04 Speaker 4: like crying because I'm like, I'm so like I'm ready

52:07 Speaker 4: to peace out, right. I just like if I just

52:09 Speaker 4: like my soul left and I was gone, I'd be good. Right,

52:11 Speaker 4: Let's go back to space whatever. Not suicidal. I'm just saying,

52:15 Speaker 4: like just to exit the body, you know, And I'm screaming.

52:20 Speaker 4: As I'm screaming, nurse comes in these guys, one of

52:24 Speaker 4: the guys who was walking by me, like they look

52:27 Speaker 4: like they look like kind of like twenty year olds.

52:30 Speaker 4: But they're like they used to be scared. Guy, Like

52:32 Speaker 4: they look like young, like just not in government. They

52:35 Speaker 4: have like a camera and they come in. The nurse

52:38 Speaker 4: plays it cool, just like they played it cool when

52:40 Speaker 4: I first entered the hospital, when I went to the

52:42 Speaker 4: intake room, and remember when I was sitting in front

52:44 Speaker 4: of the stranger and they were just like, yeah, it's

52:46 Speaker 4: business as usual. Nurse pretend it's business as usual. She's like,

52:50 Speaker 4: you're not supposed to be here, she says to them,

52:52 Speaker 4: it's a hospital. I don't even entertain it. At this point,

52:56 Speaker 4: I just drop on the bed and I'm like done.

52:58 Speaker 4: I drop in the bed and I'm like I don't

53:00 Speaker 4: I don't give a fuck anymore. I don't care because

53:03 Speaker 4: it's just too much going on. One of the doctors

53:06 Speaker 4: comes in, like this older lady, and she injects me

53:08 Speaker 4: with something and I knock out, knocked out. I wake

53:11 Speaker 4: up at nighttime, and the reason why I know that

53:13 Speaker 4: is we have a window. It's nighttime and it's dark

53:16 Speaker 4: in my room, and my schizophrenic partner is next to me.

53:19 Speaker 4: She's laying in her bed doing whatever, and I'm looking

53:21 Speaker 4: up there's a projection, like it looks like you know,

53:25 Speaker 4: if you have a projector, like your projector, it looks

53:28 Speaker 4: like you projector is at the screen. But I don't

53:30 Speaker 4: recall having a projector anywhere around me. So I'm looking

53:34 Speaker 4: up and it looks like the screens on the ceiling,

53:36 Speaker 4: and it looks like prison bars, like a jail cell,

53:40 Speaker 4: and behind the jail cell a bunch of green looking

53:44 Speaker 4: stick figure aliens. It's it's animated, so it's like a

53:47 Speaker 4: cartoon like two dimensional. And I'm looking at this like

53:52 Speaker 4: I'm kind of like mellow. I'm mellow because I just

53:57 Speaker 4: woke up from whatever they injected me with and I

54:01 Speaker 4: look at this. They show me they SpongeBob references. They

54:07 Speaker 4: show me what's mister crabs and they said, like they

54:12 Speaker 4: show like money signs, money signs, And then they show

54:15 Speaker 4: him that the aliens disappear. They show him behind this

54:18 Speaker 4: jail cell crying and like it's like he's stuck in jail.

54:23 Speaker 4: That's like the reference, like he's stuck in this jail cell.

54:26 Speaker 4: And then they show me.

54:30 Speaker 3: This.

54:30 Speaker 4: I get this visual pop in my mind, a visual

54:34 Speaker 4: of like sort of like what would be trickled down

54:38 Speaker 4: economics where you have like a pyramidal hierarchy, and then

54:42 Speaker 4: it shows me like like person at the top of

54:44 Speaker 4: the hierarchy with more power and wealth, and it shows

54:48 Speaker 4: it and like shows it like going down the hierarchy,

54:51 Speaker 4: and then I see a big red X in my mind.

54:53 Speaker 4: It's like, no, that's like, that's wrong. And to explain

55:00 Speaker 4: to me that you shouldn't be looking at like things

55:02 Speaker 4: like this, I don't really understand at this point either.

55:05 Speaker 4: But it's in reference to greed. It's in reference to

55:08 Speaker 4: mister Crabs being stuck in a jail cell in this

55:12 Speaker 4: cartoon depiction. It showed me green aliens. I'm like, I

55:15 Speaker 4: don't know what the green aliens are for. And then

55:18 Speaker 4: that's when they show me the green aliens giving me

55:21 Speaker 4: a gold present, a gold present, and then the gift

55:26 Speaker 4: box opens and all these symbols that I've only like

55:29 Speaker 4: thought would be maybe like I don't know anything about

55:32 Speaker 4: the Illuminati at that point, I still don't really know

55:35 Speaker 4: what it is. But besides, like some like shadow Cabal

55:38 Speaker 4: or whatever, but it was the ancient Egyptian ank. They

55:42 Speaker 4: showed me a chakra system, like unlocking all the chakras.

55:47 Speaker 4: They showed me all these spiritual the spiritual imagery of

55:50 Speaker 4: like things that would be in reference to like Holy Grail,

55:53 Speaker 4: I guess, which I still don't really know what that is.

55:56 Speaker 4: And after they would flash me a series of symbols.

56:01 Speaker 4: The jail cell had a door in the back, but

56:04 Speaker 4: it was a door that like went downstairs, and it's like,

56:07 Speaker 4: the only way, the only idea that I got is

56:09 Speaker 4: the only way you get out of the jail, apparently

56:11 Speaker 4: I was in jail is you go downstairs. Meaning you

56:14 Speaker 4: have to investigate yourself to understand why you were, why

56:18 Speaker 4: everything led you to here, and what it is about

56:22 Speaker 4: yourself that might be keeping you in a metaphoric.

56:25 Speaker 6: Jail or something or compartmentalized perhaps perhaps I think if

56:30 Speaker 6: you think about the mind as a penitentiary, right, each

56:37 Speaker 6: thought or each thing locked away, you know, and you

56:43 Speaker 6: need to get.

56:44 Speaker 5: Out of there. I see, I see the metaphork. I mean,

56:47 Speaker 5: I'm sure it could be taken many ways.

56:49 Speaker 4: Then so I go out to the front and there

56:53 Speaker 4: was a black woman, maybe around my age as well,

56:56 Speaker 4: who was sitting there. She was locked in, she was

56:59 Speaker 4: part of the program. She sits there and she's smirking

57:03 Speaker 4: as I go to her and the first time I

57:05 Speaker 4: go to her, it was after the gift box open

57:08 Speaker 4: and she looks at me. She's like, what do you

57:10 Speaker 4: think it is? I said, using terminology.

57:13 Speaker 5: I'm sorry the nurse.

57:15 Speaker 4: No, I don't know if she's a nurse. This is

57:17 Speaker 4: a new lady, a black lady. But she had a

57:20 Speaker 4: BLM bracelet.

57:22 Speaker 5: But she's asking you about what you just saw. Yeah,

57:28 Speaker 5: but she wasn't in that room.

57:30 Speaker 4: No, I have to go out to the front where

57:32 Speaker 4: all the usually where they all are. She's the only

57:35 Speaker 4: one sitting there at that point, they're all.

57:38 Speaker 5: All and she's asking you what you think the present meant?

57:43 Speaker 3: What do you think the present meant?

57:44 Speaker 4: I immediate thought popped in my mind because I worked

57:47 Speaker 4: on you as China thing. Do you know what sesame

57:50 Speaker 4: credit is? It's like a social credit scorre.

57:53 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, with China as Yeah.

57:56 Speaker 4: So I said sesame credit or decentralized sesame credit. That's

58:00 Speaker 4: what I said, because I'm looking at it of like,

58:03 Speaker 4: sorry I'm burping, but I look at it like in

58:06 Speaker 4: terms of, like, from my reference point, decentralized sess me credit.

58:11 Speaker 4: And she says, do you mean like the Black Mirror

58:14 Speaker 4: Likes episode? I keep I keep bubbling. I'm sorry, but.

58:23 Speaker 5: How could why would that be a present? Why would

58:26 Speaker 5: the social credit score be a present? That would be

58:30 Speaker 5: a bad thing.

58:31 Speaker 4: Decentralized good question, because there was a bunch of spiritual imagery, which,

58:37 Speaker 4: by the way, when I went back, that's when the

58:38 Speaker 4: spiritual imagery took root. Well, they showed you, and then

58:42 Speaker 4: I went back, and then she said, what do you

58:43 Speaker 4: think it is? And I'm like, it's not the Illuminati.

58:46 Speaker 4: That was only I don't even know what it is.

58:48 Speaker 4: I thought it was a conspiracy, but I'm like, this

58:51 Speaker 4: is all a conspiracy. I'm like, what the heck is

58:53 Speaker 4: going on? Shit, it might be real. So I say

58:55 Speaker 4: Illuminati and she's like, yeah, here's the thing. TI. I

58:59 Speaker 4: don't know if they're just letting me say what I

59:02 Speaker 4: have to say. Though she did correct me when I

59:05 Speaker 4: when I said decentralized says to me credit, she did

59:07 Speaker 4: correct me and say, like the Likes episode, or at

59:10 Speaker 4: least trying to like use that simile. Whereas for the

59:15 Speaker 4: second time she was like, yeah, Illuminati.

59:18 Speaker 5: Well we know that pop culture and Hollywood have long

59:22 Speaker 5: been showing us things that I won't go down that,

59:28 Speaker 5: but you know, Operation Mockingbird and several others. So I

59:34 Speaker 5: think those are out there to give people frame of

59:39 Speaker 5: reference so that she can say something like that.

59:42 Speaker 3: Like to guide either guide you.

59:44 Speaker 5: Or you know, because like it's not literal. Do you

59:47 Speaker 5: think you accessed another dimension?

59:51 Speaker 4: I don't. It depends what you mean by that. I

59:54 Speaker 4: don't know. I think there's like like I mean, like

59:58 Speaker 4: I don't know, multi dimensional, Like there's higher dimensional understanding

1:00:02 Speaker 4: of things, and then there's lower dimensional understanding of things,

1:00:06 Speaker 4: of the nature of things, and we choose whether we

1:00:09 Speaker 4: want to hold on to lower dimensional interpretations or the

1:00:12 Speaker 4: higher dimensional ones, like for instance, like in relation to

1:00:18 Speaker 4: maybe like certain issues that are contentious in the public

1:00:22 Speaker 4: might have more higher dimensional details that warrant to have

1:00:29 Speaker 4: elicit that kind of emotional response. But we all have

1:00:32 Speaker 4: an emotional response or reaction anyway, regardless of whether we

1:00:36 Speaker 4: have that access to that other information or even have

1:00:39 Speaker 4: sought out that information, you know what I mean. So

1:00:42 Speaker 4: I think that like it's a it's dependent on what

1:00:45 Speaker 4: we're discussion, Like what our discussion is on.

1:00:47 Speaker 5: When you check into a mental facility, is your top

1:00:56 Speaker 5: secret clearance? Whoever there's that stuff, does that get flagged

1:01:04 Speaker 5: right away?

1:01:05 Speaker 4: No, because I didn't report it because when I found

1:01:08 Speaker 4: out it was US government, I'm like, I'm not reporting it.

1:01:11 Speaker 4: It's only gonna hurt me, and no one's gonna believe

1:01:14 Speaker 4: that I was brought there by the US government.

1:01:16 Speaker 5: So you think that these vehicles essentially guided you in

1:01:25 Speaker 5: some form or fashion for lack of a better term,

1:01:29 Speaker 5: to this site that is a mental facility, maybe more,

1:01:37 Speaker 5: And that's where you got the confirmation that what you

1:01:42 Speaker 5: were experiencing was a not normal but be something that

1:01:49 Speaker 5: they are They know, they know it happens to people,

1:01:53 Speaker 5: and they are monitoring those people.

1:01:57 Speaker 4: So I don't know the details.

1:01:59 Speaker 5: I'm but is that a fair assessment?

1:02:03 Speaker 3: Sure?

1:02:03 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I would probably like check in on

1:02:07 Speaker 4: me after that, right, I mean do it?

1:02:13 Speaker 3: When do you leave the hospital?

1:02:15 Speaker 4: So I got into an argument that was Sorry, I

1:02:20 Speaker 4: got into argument when they told me to stay Friday

1:02:23 Speaker 4: with Health and Human Services because I said to them,

1:02:26 Speaker 4: I said, if I'm having mental health issues, why are

1:02:31 Speaker 4: you giving me a time limit to sign form intake

1:02:33 Speaker 4: forms and then not letting me know, Hey, guess what

1:02:37 Speaker 4: the way you came in voluntarily. That doesn't work going

1:02:39 Speaker 4: out because my decision making would be a lot different.

1:02:44 Speaker 4: So I got into an argument with him. The reason

1:02:46 Speaker 4: why is health in human services. They had like the

1:02:48 Speaker 4: bulky laptop. They said, well, you're gonna have to ask

1:02:50 Speaker 4: because the doctor left already, and the doctor is the

1:02:53 Speaker 4: one who has to let you go, and he deemed

1:02:55 Speaker 4: you a threat whatever menace to society, a threat to society.

1:02:59 Speaker 4: So then I'm looking at the I'm talking to guy

1:03:02 Speaker 4: and I'm like saying to him, I said, he said,

1:03:04 Speaker 4: you have two choices. You can volunteer to stay until

1:03:06 Speaker 4: tomorrow when the doctor comes back, or you can volunteer.

1:03:10 Speaker 4: You could be forced to stay here until Monday, and

1:03:13 Speaker 4: then you have to have it in court. You have

1:03:15 Speaker 4: to get a lawyer in court, and it's in the

1:03:17 Speaker 4: hospital court and they have to determine whether you can go.

1:03:21 Speaker 4: And I said to him, I said, I said, well,

1:03:23 Speaker 4: you're not really giving me a choice, right because it's

1:03:25 Speaker 4: not volunteering until tomorrow. Like I'm not I'm volunteering right now,

1:03:29 Speaker 4: Like that's not a voluntary act. He's like, no, we're

1:03:32 Speaker 4: gonna call it it's like volunteer. And I said, stop

1:03:34 Speaker 4: saying that. I say, you know what, I said, I'm

1:03:36 Speaker 4: gonna like no, because I don't want to like be

1:03:38 Speaker 4: forced like words like, I'm like, this is not a

1:03:40 Speaker 4: voluntary situation. And the fact that he said it means

1:03:43 Speaker 4: it's a sop. He's not just pulling it out. Someone said, oh,

1:03:47 Speaker 4: it's voluntary if we force him to stay until when

1:03:50 Speaker 4: a doctor sees him.

1:03:51 Speaker 3: Got it, you know?

1:03:52 Speaker 4: So I'm like, you know, I'm gonna get a lawyer whatever,

1:03:55 Speaker 4: Like I got it when I got a lawyer, and

1:03:57 Speaker 4: Monday was in the court and then Monday was when

1:03:59 Speaker 4: I checked out.

1:04:00 Speaker 3: So what do you go back to your job? Do

1:04:11 Speaker 3: you what happened?

1:04:13 Speaker 5: So what happens next? I mean, do you is the

1:04:17 Speaker 5: contact continuing? Are the the the thoughts, the intrusive thoughts

1:04:24 Speaker 5: still happening.

1:04:26 Speaker 4: So right before I checked out, my attention and the

1:04:30 Speaker 4: reason why I say my attention, it wasn't something that

1:04:33 Speaker 4: I would have looked at because I was just ready

1:04:35 Speaker 4: to get out. But something brought my attention to the table.

1:04:39 Speaker 4: There was a brand new book, The Alchemist by Paulo Coelo.

1:04:42 Speaker 4: You know that book.

1:04:43 Speaker 5: I do not.

1:04:44 Speaker 4: It's a it's a it's a it's a book.

1:04:46 Speaker 5: On purpose, The Alchemist.

1:04:49 Speaker 4: It's a book on purpose. Paulo Coelo and my felt

1:04:54 Speaker 4: compuls the compulsion again pick up the book and take it.

1:04:58 Speaker 4: And as I was taking I read a little bit

1:04:59 Speaker 4: of it. When I was checked out of the hospital,

1:05:02 Speaker 4: I forgot. I said, oh wait, I took your book

1:05:04 Speaker 4: by accident. They said, no, you can keep it. I

1:05:07 Speaker 4: was like, okay, okay, I finished it. It's a good book.

1:05:10 Speaker 4: I mean a lot of people you should read it.

1:05:12 Speaker 3: I will, I will.

1:05:16 Speaker 5: So where do you go from now? Where do you

1:05:20 Speaker 5: go from there? Because do you go back to work

1:05:23 Speaker 5: like I go back to school.

1:05:24 Speaker 3: You back to school. Your top security clearance is still intact.

1:05:30 Speaker 5: And no one knows, okay.

1:05:33 Speaker 4: Except my husband and my father, my mom and my

1:05:36 Speaker 4: friend who I told you know they were in the hospital.

1:05:40 Speaker 4: The aliens they made the aliens. Gosh, but I don't

1:05:42 Speaker 4: think they were really. It was like a NDA. You

1:05:44 Speaker 4: didn't have to go shush. I went straight to my

1:05:46 Speaker 4: best my childhood friend. I said, guess what just happened?

1:05:49 Speaker 4: And that's when I realized, oh, good to know, because

1:05:52 Speaker 4: I saw how it looked. I saw her reaction, and

1:05:54 Speaker 4: then I realized, yeah, this is not something it only

1:05:57 Speaker 4: hurts me. Whoever designed this new very well that what

1:06:04 Speaker 4: they were telling me, and the whole, the whole of

1:06:07 Speaker 4: the context would be at my expense, my reputational expense,

1:06:14 Speaker 4: and still give that kind of plausible deniability. However, I

1:06:18 Speaker 4: think there's a caveat. I think that there's a certain

1:06:21 Speaker 4: element of this that ties into disclosure. I mean, this

1:06:25 Speaker 4: is all tied to disclosure in my opinion, when you

1:06:28 Speaker 4: show me extraterrestrials and I'm in the US government and

1:06:31 Speaker 4: then I have this intense, continuous, intense et contact that

1:06:35 Speaker 4: changes my whole life course. And then I find Angulie

1:06:39 Speaker 4: and I find John Ramirez, and then I see there's

1:06:42 Speaker 4: like this like push pull. There's people who are experiencers,

1:06:46 Speaker 4: and I see there's some other controlled element to it.

1:06:49 Speaker 4: And I don't think it's like a good or evil

1:06:51 Speaker 4: by the way thing, I'm not saying that. I'm saying

1:06:54 Speaker 4: that we just have different intentions.

1:06:57 Speaker 5: John Ramirez former CIA, very interesting person, someone I'd love

1:07:05 Speaker 5: to have in that chair.

1:07:07 Speaker 3: And then and Jolly was former.

1:07:13 Speaker 4: Systems Marine Corps d I.

1:07:15 Speaker 3: A D I A Yeah, d I A.

1:07:17 Speaker 5: I was looking for the government part. Both really well

1:07:22 Speaker 5: respected and Jolly's case is a little murky. I I

1:07:30 Speaker 5: think in terms of public perception but okay, so you

1:07:35 Speaker 5: gravitate towards them.

1:07:37 Speaker 3: I want to talk.

1:07:37 Speaker 5: About the the livel Livells Burger stuff. What what specifically

1:07:45 Speaker 5: led that led you to conclude that Lovell's burger was

1:07:50 Speaker 5: alive rather than rather than concluding the explosion was a

1:07:57 Speaker 5: false flag with some sort of like substitute.

1:08:01 Speaker 4: In that specific moment when I blew the whistle, it

1:08:05 Speaker 4: was just all uncertainty. The last thing we had, that

1:08:08 Speaker 4: cyber truck bombing. We had some weird the quick footage

1:08:12 Speaker 4: that the media at mainstream media gave us. We had

1:08:16 Speaker 4: his alleged what is it whistleblowing email that he sent

1:08:21 Speaker 4: to Sam Shoemate, and I was listening. You know, I

1:08:26 Speaker 4: didn't care about the cyber truck bombing. I heard about

1:08:28 Speaker 4: it a couple of days prior. But for some reason, when

1:08:31 Speaker 4: I was driving back from Washington, I was in Washington,

1:08:34 Speaker 4: d C. See my mom, like McLean. My mom lives there,

1:08:36 Speaker 4: so I was seeing her. We drove back after that

1:08:40 Speaker 4: New Year's and during the drive back, I listened to

1:08:43 Speaker 4: Sam Shoemate's I guess testimony what is it called testimony

1:08:47 Speaker 4: interview that he had with Sean Ryche. And when I

1:08:50 Speaker 4: heard the email. That's when something like that compulsory feeling

1:08:55 Speaker 4: kicked in because of what he said about Afghanistan and

1:09:01 Speaker 4: like the blending of like you know that we have

1:09:03 Speaker 4: joint task forces, we have interagency relationships missions things like this.

1:09:10 Speaker 4: His whistleboard email alleged that there were crimes against humanity

1:09:14 Speaker 4: in Afghanistan, the United Nations tried covering it, and.

1:09:19 Speaker 5: Then he just casually includes UFO and UAP stuff at

1:09:26 Speaker 5: the end. And it's talking about because at the time

1:09:29 Speaker 5: that New Jersey drone situation was happening, and he was

1:09:33 Speaker 5: saying that they were Chinese, that it was Chinese, right,

1:09:39 Speaker 5: I believe.

1:09:40 Speaker 4: So the core of his message was so similar to

1:09:43 Speaker 4: what I had initially experienced right when I had this,

1:09:47 Speaker 4: Like I'm like with the US government has a relation

1:09:49 Speaker 4: with this hospital, they disclosure and like something, you know,

1:09:53 Speaker 4: whatever I had happened, which the public is just doesn't know,

1:09:58 Speaker 4: and I like they still have a hard time understanding that,

1:10:03 Speaker 4: like their idea of like how dynamics are or like

1:10:06 Speaker 4: very and it's not always nefarious, it's just like very

1:10:10 Speaker 4: more much more complex, you know, Like I'm saying, like

1:10:12 Speaker 4: for example, the Operation Mockingbird, we're starting to get to

1:10:16 Speaker 4: know that. But I just feel like now MAGA is

1:10:21 Speaker 4: finally catching up that people are pay for play influencers.

1:10:25 Speaker 4: I'm like, y'all didn't think that they were going to

1:10:27 Speaker 4: get ahead of this, Like I mean, come on, like

1:10:29 Speaker 4: I mean like I seem to be figuring things.

1:10:33 Speaker 5: Out quicker and but die hard.

1:10:35 Speaker 4: Like I'm not saying that as like in an ego

1:10:37 Speaker 4: or anything. It's just because of what I had experienced personally.

1:10:40 Speaker 4: Like if I wasn't for that, I would be I

1:10:43 Speaker 4: probably would be just out working somewhere, you know, I

1:10:46 Speaker 4: wouldn't be focused on any of this.

1:10:47 Speaker 5: But in the loyal the people you thought were most

1:10:52 Speaker 5: like MAGA loyal, like Tucker Carlson, Marjorie Taylor Green, you know,

1:10:59 Speaker 5: Making Kelly, all.

1:11:01 Speaker 3: Those people have seemingly.

1:11:07 Speaker 5: Walked back their support for the current setup of that

1:11:13 Speaker 5: that they that administration.

1:11:18 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that we take for granted and I

1:11:21 Speaker 4: just like to give them like some not I don't know.

1:11:26 Speaker 4: I guess I don't know credit because I don't know

1:11:29 Speaker 4: what at what cost they backtracked. I mean, they gained

1:11:32 Speaker 4: an audience because there's like a fracture, But like you

1:11:35 Speaker 4: have a bigger pool of audience for like not backtracking

1:11:39 Speaker 4: from certain things. I just think that a lot of

1:11:41 Speaker 4: people take for granted why they are something, maybe politically,

1:11:47 Speaker 4: why they're something here, Like I don't think I think

1:11:49 Speaker 4: that like through like your own realization of your they decided,

1:11:53 Speaker 4: Oh wait, I didn't know it was gonna be this, this, this,

1:11:56 Speaker 4: or like you know, maybe I'm just like staunchly this.

1:11:59 Speaker 4: So I'm not kind of like comment on that, because

1:12:01 Speaker 4: I I understand like from an individual perspective, right, we're

1:12:06 Speaker 4: not all like on the same team maybe for the

1:12:09 Speaker 4: exact same thing. We're not copy and paste. We all

1:12:11 Speaker 4: have our own individual preferences and understandings.

1:12:15 Speaker 3: Have you ever.

1:12:18 Speaker 5: Have you ever experienced a Have you ever experienced a

1:12:26 Speaker 5: being or something that was like more physical grace.

1:12:31 Speaker 4: I woke up like a half a year later in

1:12:34 Speaker 4: at three am, just in my own bed, and I

1:12:37 Speaker 4: saw like the little like they kind of looked like invaderism.

1:12:41 Speaker 4: They kind of looked like it a little bit, and

1:12:43 Speaker 4: it was kind of almost looking like a projection into

1:12:47 Speaker 4: my room, but it was around my bed. And when

1:12:51 Speaker 4: I saw them, I was terrified. I started like screaming,

1:12:54 Speaker 4: but I couldn't move, and I tried like covering my eyes.

1:12:59 Speaker 4: They flag a nuclear war mushroom cloud and then started

1:13:03 Speaker 4: zapping me in brutal pain like electric It felt like

1:13:05 Speaker 4: electric shocks after they showed me the image of nuclear war.

1:13:11 Speaker 5: And then again they're showing you catastrophe just like the

1:13:16 Speaker 5: other thing.

1:13:20 Speaker 3: What do you make of that?

1:13:26 Speaker 5: Given our given what you know, like your your background training,

1:13:33 Speaker 5: where the geopolitical framework is right now they're trying to

1:13:39 Speaker 5: warn you.

1:13:40 Speaker 4: It seems I think that they have possible, like more

1:13:51 Speaker 4: control over the.

1:13:52 Speaker 5: World than we have the being the visitors.

1:13:56 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's like sometimes it's in visible hand

1:14:00 Speaker 4: like God. I I God is the only thing that

1:14:03 Speaker 4: gets me through everything. And my faith in God got

1:14:06 Speaker 4: stronger because I'm unwaverable when it comes to what my

1:14:10 Speaker 4: values are, right, I don't care what people say, and

1:14:13 Speaker 4: I don't care if like anyone like I'm just unwaverable.

1:14:16 Speaker 4: So my faith in God is a lot stronger. Gods

1:14:18 Speaker 4: stronger than them. And however, I do believe that they

1:14:25 Speaker 4: have and they intervene in subtle ways that we might

1:14:30 Speaker 4: not even perceive. And they also have a I believe

1:14:34 Speaker 4: that they do have a huge hand in like creativity,

1:14:37 Speaker 4: not not fully God. That's I still I'm I want

1:14:40 Speaker 4: to speak to religious or like a non like easy audience.

1:14:44 Speaker 4: I'm not saying it's not God. Creativity comes from God, right,

1:14:48 Speaker 4: because it's like from your soul. But I do think

1:14:50 Speaker 4: that there's some kind of role that they play as

1:14:53 Speaker 4: like a muse. I think that's the way that I

1:14:57 Speaker 4: want to Yeah, amuse.

1:15:00 Speaker 5: It's interesting that you brought that up. You spoke about

1:15:05 Speaker 5: this feeling right like this, Uh do you think that

1:15:12 Speaker 5: you were targeted with some sort of directed energy weapon?

1:15:15 Speaker 3: You said you were describing me.

1:15:16 Speaker 5: I can't remember what it was, but you were describing

1:15:19 Speaker 5: how it felt like your insides were burning.

1:15:22 Speaker 4: Like they were twisting my intestines. It was really painful, right,

1:15:26 Speaker 4: I've only had this kind of feeling I hate. It

1:15:28 Speaker 4: is like when you pull your muscle and your abdomen,

1:15:31 Speaker 4: that awful feeling. That's what it felt like. It was

1:15:34 Speaker 4: really like bad. That started in like February March of

1:15:39 Speaker 4: twenty twenty three, and I had actually had my It

1:15:43 Speaker 4: started while I was in uniform during a drill weekend

1:15:46 Speaker 4: where I started hearing their voice hallucination hall auditory hallucinations.

1:15:51 Speaker 4: But it was intentional because at that point I had

1:15:53 Speaker 4: seen the ETS. I was told about ETS, but from

1:15:56 Speaker 4: an outsider, I'm having schitz of whatever, schizophrenias like whatever

1:16:00 Speaker 4: you name it. But the voices were telling me you're

1:16:03 Speaker 4: not supposed to be doing You're not supposed to be

1:16:05 Speaker 4: in uniform. You're not supposed to be doing this. It's

1:16:07 Speaker 4: not your job. You're supposed to be doing something else.

1:16:10 Speaker 4: At that point, I'm thinking, you just showed me nuclear war,

1:16:12 Speaker 4: Like what do you I'm like, I mean, I'm not

1:16:15 Speaker 4: good at my Mandarin's not good, but I feel that

1:16:19 Speaker 4: I have a good grasp of US China relations like

1:16:23 Speaker 4: it should be here, you know.

1:16:24 Speaker 5: And why do you think, Well, I'll get there in

1:16:27 Speaker 5: a minute. Have you submitted any formal whistleblower uh like

1:16:33 Speaker 5: testimony to the Intelligence community inspector General And if not, what,

1:16:40 Speaker 5: what what would prevent you from doing so?

1:16:42 Speaker 4: No? Why because it was it was compulsive. I was

1:16:48 Speaker 4: impulsive when I did it. On next it was during

1:16:51 Speaker 4: the Sean Ryan they were talking on whatever.

1:16:55 Speaker 5: Yeah, you were a little frustrated with the lack of answers.

1:17:00 Speaker 5: You were getting back right because you felt you had something.

1:17:04 Speaker 4: No, because it's not personal to me, But I was

1:17:06 Speaker 4: worried about. I was just like, you know what, I

1:17:08 Speaker 4: think my thinks alive. So I don't, I'm not. I'm

1:17:12 Speaker 4: not sure. Like at the time, we didn't know, and

1:17:15 Speaker 4: I'm like, why don't we assume right?

1:17:17 Speaker 7: Why why do we just like ooh ufo shining me

1:17:21 Speaker 7: up like I'm like bro, like a Green Beret who

1:17:23 Speaker 7: was about to retire, like either had a mental break

1:17:26 Speaker 7: or something else.

1:17:28 Speaker 4: And he referenced something that's factually the United Nations looked

1:17:32 Speaker 4: into allegations of the United States war crimes in Afghanistan,

1:17:36 Speaker 4: and I looked at the report. It was civilian facilities

1:17:40 Speaker 4: or like they were they were used to manufacture drugs.

1:17:42 Speaker 4: The majority of them were civilians.

1:17:45 Speaker 5: Do you think something similar happened to him that happened

1:17:48 Speaker 5: to you.

1:17:49 Speaker 4: I don't. I don't know, and you know, like I'm

1:17:53 Speaker 4: I don't know. I just who knows? They the wife.

1:17:57 Speaker 4: I listened to his wife's testimony. She the one who's

1:18:00 Speaker 4: going to know, okay, and if anyone, I mean she,

1:18:03 Speaker 4: you know, the fair enough, fair enough, I respect the family.

1:18:06 Speaker 4: I deleted my ex because I got like twenty thousand

1:18:08 Speaker 4: followers and it felt like I know. One followed up

1:18:13 Speaker 4: with my whistleblower complaint Tim tim Burchett, Yep, his office

1:18:18 Speaker 4: reached out and then I said, Hey, when do you

1:18:21 Speaker 4: want to get the information? Look like, let me Can

1:18:24 Speaker 4: I just say something really quick like when I say

1:18:27 Speaker 4: I blew the whistle, I'm saying that this is these

1:18:30 Speaker 4: are things that happened when I was deployed, and I

1:18:32 Speaker 4: can give the people who have a need to know

1:18:35 Speaker 4: the actual dates. I can give you my team members,

1:18:37 Speaker 4: I can give you the office, it's where it is located,

1:18:40 Speaker 4: as far as a few of the things that I

1:18:42 Speaker 4: saw during my deployment. So you're paradoxical with.

1:18:45 Speaker 5: What you're talking about. When you're you're not talking about

1:18:48 Speaker 5: UFO whistle blowing, you're talking about crimes whistle blowing.

1:18:53 Speaker 4: I'm talking about there's something that doesn't add up in

1:18:57 Speaker 4: our American foreign policy and the US military. And what

1:19:01 Speaker 4: I what I said was that one thing we couldn't

1:19:03 Speaker 4: report on a surface to airfire because the CIA said

1:19:07 Speaker 4: don't report it, but the pilot reported it. So why

1:19:10 Speaker 4: would the pilot report it? But the CIA is someone

1:19:12 Speaker 4: in the middleman who doesn't have his life on the line.

1:19:15 Speaker 4: Why does he get to decide and why is he

1:19:17 Speaker 4: coming to an E four at the time to tell

1:19:20 Speaker 4: me not to report it. I said, that doesn't make

1:19:23 Speaker 4: any sense. But you know, I didn't even think anything

1:19:25 Speaker 4: of it until that moment because when I saw that

1:19:28 Speaker 4: the Green beret, I was taking the assumption that he

1:19:31 Speaker 4: was blowing the whistle. I said, you know, there's something

1:19:33 Speaker 4: wrong here, right, like, I'm gonna now these things seem

1:19:36 Speaker 4: like I need to maybe at least show that we're

1:19:39 Speaker 4: not like that. There is a factually like paradoxical.

1:19:44 Speaker 3: We're not squeaky clean.

1:19:46 Speaker 4: I don't know if it's not squeaky clean, but it

1:19:50 Speaker 4: could just be bureaucracy. It could be just someone was like, yeah,

1:19:53 Speaker 4: you know what, like let's intervene here. And I'm like, well,

1:19:55 Speaker 4: your pilot should know that, hey, if you try to

1:19:58 Speaker 4: report something to look because we're not reporting it like you,

1:20:02 Speaker 4: you should have the people whose lives are on the

1:20:04 Speaker 4: line actually have that information. Anyway, didn't think much. That's

1:20:08 Speaker 4: what I The one thing I blew the whistle. The

1:20:10 Speaker 4: other thing was oh yeah, uh, well that that was

1:20:14 Speaker 4: a blue and blue Actually blue and blue means like

1:20:17 Speaker 4: it was a frontlire. Yeah, so that was that was

1:20:20 Speaker 4: the thing that was when the CIA said don't report

1:20:24 Speaker 4: it and the.

1:20:25 Speaker 5: Other thing because they didn't want the embarrassment for Blue

1:20:27 Speaker 5: on Blue.

1:20:28 Speaker 4: Well, there's many reasons. I don't know. It could be there,

1:20:31 Speaker 4: it could be it could be dangerous. Maybe they have

1:20:33 Speaker 4: other people in an area and they couldn't put it out.

1:20:35 Speaker 4: I don't know, but I just I just thought, like

1:20:38 Speaker 4: a pilot who is the who survived, I thought he

1:20:43 Speaker 4: would know all this stuff, you know, I thought you

1:20:44 Speaker 4: would brief him. He would be privy to knowing what

1:20:48 Speaker 4: is at stake with what mission he was flying. Okay,

1:20:51 Speaker 4: so that's one the two we had UFOs. We had UAPs,

1:20:55 Speaker 4: and we weren't reporting them because when I tell you like,

1:20:59 Speaker 4: it's not in a like when I tell you it's unintentional.

1:21:03 Speaker 4: It's almost like we're kind of just going with the

1:21:05 Speaker 4: flow with some things. And this was one of them.

1:21:07 Speaker 4: I remember. We got like UAP reports. So I process

1:21:10 Speaker 4: mission reports, which are sorties. Every time a pilot goes

1:21:13 Speaker 4: and comes back, he debriefs with his aircrew until puts

1:21:17 Speaker 4: it in a mission report, puts it into the database

1:21:19 Speaker 4: called kessel run, and then I Q see them and

1:21:24 Speaker 4: then I finalize them. I take significant activities, which are

1:21:28 Speaker 4: events that happened during their flight. So like, uh uh,

1:21:32 Speaker 4: it could be like an interception like with a fighter,

1:21:36 Speaker 4: which just me interception could literally mean a sue just

1:21:39 Speaker 4: like came up and like looked at them. It doesn't

1:21:42 Speaker 4: mean they came right in front of them, but that's

1:21:44 Speaker 4: something we report. We report UAVs unmanned aerial vehicles, so

1:21:49 Speaker 4: like if we see them guard calls, if you get

1:21:53 Speaker 4: too close to a border of a Iran or something,

1:21:56 Speaker 4: you're like they're like stay away from the border, you know,

1:21:59 Speaker 4: like that, We report how many of those we get

1:22:01 Speaker 4: and stuff. And we got quite a few mission reports

1:22:07 Speaker 4: that had UFOs, and they were called different things unknown bogie,

1:22:13 Speaker 4: uap UFO, like U Vietna. I don't know, there's there's

1:22:18 Speaker 4: a B in one of the acronyms. I don't know

1:22:19 Speaker 4: what it's called. Anyway, they had different names, and they're

1:22:22 Speaker 4: all coming from like distinctly like task forces in like

1:22:26 Speaker 4: areas like I like mostly I think more of like

1:22:30 Speaker 4: around rock and stuff. Anyway, I'm not gonna go too

1:22:33 Speaker 4: much into it because I'm like I just yeah, I

1:22:36 Speaker 4: get right, and yeah, So we didn't have we weren't

1:22:41 Speaker 4: reporting it I remember thinking to myself and I wasn't married,

1:22:44 Speaker 4: Like I wasn't married to any idea of it. I said,

1:22:47 Speaker 4: we should report things that we don't know, right we

1:22:49 Speaker 4: should just be like, I don't know, even if we

1:22:51 Speaker 4: don't know, just let people know there's something we don't know.

1:22:53 Speaker 4: And we need to make sure like you guys are

1:22:55 Speaker 4: aware of it, because if you see it and you

1:22:57 Speaker 4: don't know, then we all don't know, right, Like then

1:23:00 Speaker 4: we can all like get on that page. But we're

1:23:03 Speaker 4: not reporting it because we're just like we don't have

1:23:05 Speaker 4: we don't know what it is, and we don't have

1:23:06 Speaker 4: a framework, we don't have a point of reference. The

1:23:09 Speaker 4: standard operating Procedure doesn't say it. And I remember we

1:23:13 Speaker 4: got like like quite a few per week, like it

1:23:15 Speaker 4: was real consistent. And I said to myself, I said,

1:23:19 Speaker 4: I'm gonna go on Jaywicks. You know jicks?

1:23:21 Speaker 3: Yah, I do.

1:23:23 Speaker 4: I don't know what the acronym is. I don't know

1:23:25 Speaker 4: that it's when you have a top secret SCI clearance,

1:23:30 Speaker 4: which is what I had, and a lot of people

1:23:32 Speaker 4: have intelligence community, you have access to jaywix. It's just

1:23:36 Speaker 4: it's like having internet. It's just having internet. We have

1:23:39 Speaker 4: our own form of Google. It's not Google.

1:23:42 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's an intron net. Yeah, it's a it's not

1:23:45 Speaker 5: an Internet, it's an intron net. So it's a searchable

1:23:48 Speaker 5: database for that's in data set.

1:23:53 Speaker 4: As long as you have a clearance, you get that

1:23:55 Speaker 4: credential and you're good to go and you can look

1:23:58 Speaker 4: up videos and all these different thing. So I would

1:24:00 Speaker 4: type in uphone just try like I literally just a

1:24:02 Speaker 4: broad regular search UFO orl rep.

1:24:06 Speaker 5: Luna just made a call for how many videos?

1:24:10 Speaker 3: Was it?

1:24:13 Speaker 5: Forty six videos by name from these servers?

1:24:19 Speaker 4: Yeah, we have a lot. I mean we had enough.

1:24:21 Speaker 5: Did you ever see anything that would like not.

1:24:24 Speaker 4: In detail, not like anything the public hasn't seen, Like

1:24:27 Speaker 4: they're all pretty much like similar, the really quick, the

1:24:31 Speaker 4: wild one that I saw that I ended up seeing.

1:24:33 Speaker 4: Fox News has a photo of I don't know if

1:24:35 Speaker 4: the video is public was mozwell orb That was crazy.

1:24:39 Speaker 4: I saw the video and I was like, this is it?

1:24:42 Speaker 5: Was?

1:24:43 Speaker 4: It was you're zoomed in on the house. If you

1:24:45 Speaker 4: look at the photo, you're zoomed in. We do pattern

1:24:47 Speaker 4: of life analysis, so if there's like a potential like

1:24:50 Speaker 4: target of interest, not a target meaning you're gonna but

1:24:53 Speaker 4: you want to stalk them. We have a reapers that

1:24:56 Speaker 4: will hover which are unmanned.

1:24:59 Speaker 5: Uh yeah, you they're the m M nine right.

1:25:05 Speaker 4: I don't know, I'm awful. I don't remember anything, right,

1:25:08 Speaker 4: one of m Q nine and stuff.

1:25:09 Speaker 5: So Q nine and r Q four and stuff.

1:25:13 Speaker 4: Okay, so here let me tell you really quick. So

1:25:16 Speaker 4: the orbit comes out. It's not orbit's like a metal sphirit.

1:25:19 Speaker 4: It comes very slowly in front of the camera. And

1:25:21 Speaker 4: that's when I felt that this is something that seems

1:25:23 Speaker 4: to be like it wants to like be.

1:25:25 Speaker 5: Acknowledged, so I wanted to be seen.

1:25:28 Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's what I blew the whistle on right, Like,

1:25:30 Speaker 4: I'm just like these there's a myriad of things I've

1:25:32 Speaker 4: experienced that I didn't think had any value.

1:25:35 Speaker 5: Our government is classifying these into a classified server, most

1:25:42 Speaker 5: likely because of.

1:25:45 Speaker 4: All of our mission reports are classified.

1:25:47 Speaker 5: Right, But you know, like location and the asset collection,

1:25:52 Speaker 5: it's not the actual uh UAV that's classified.

1:25:57 Speaker 4: But no, it's it's it's the you have the its

1:26:00 Speaker 4: information on the radio, so they have to go through

1:26:02 Speaker 4: a clearance process.

1:26:03 Speaker 3: So that essentially what.

1:26:08 Speaker 4: The Foreign Disclosure officer, But that would be for FTO

1:26:10 Speaker 4: and then probably PA for going public right public?

1:26:16 Speaker 5: What what do you make of things like Trump's recent

1:26:22 Speaker 5: proclamation of declassifying the quote unquote alien and UFO files

1:26:30 Speaker 5: is there? You know, do you think that this is

1:26:33 Speaker 5: something they'll go through with.

1:26:35 Speaker 4: If he feels like it's the right thing to do.

1:26:38 Speaker 4: I think so, I mean, would it be everything? No?

1:26:42 Speaker 4: And you know, I think the point of disclosure well not.

1:26:45 Speaker 4: I don't know the government, but I'll tell you the

1:26:47 Speaker 4: point of like why if you you can just look

1:26:50 Speaker 4: at it in terms of being a higher being? Okay,

1:26:52 Speaker 4: if you had like a young civilization, right, if they

1:26:56 Speaker 4: needed to be developed, right, and they're still like more

1:26:59 Speaker 4: like in the evolutionary scale beforehand, why why would you

1:27:06 Speaker 4: And you want them to be individually, right, you have

1:27:08 Speaker 4: to have them individually. They grow individually, You don't grow

1:27:11 Speaker 4: as collective. You your cells are changing for yourself, not

1:27:15 Speaker 4: for anyone else, right, So why would you have it

1:27:18 Speaker 4: so that they would continue to appeal to an authority?

1:27:21 Speaker 4: You want them to have more self determination individually? So

1:27:25 Speaker 4: like there, it's not just like, oh, like the government

1:27:28 Speaker 4: has to do it. I mean it wouldn't be logical.

1:27:30 Speaker 4: I mean I look at it just from like working

1:27:33 Speaker 4: with children. You don't just like make it like I mean,

1:27:36 Speaker 4: you want obedience, but let's say you have people who

1:27:38 Speaker 4: are adults. Right, you don't just do it like this,

1:27:41 Speaker 4: right you you have to have a little bit of

1:27:44 Speaker 4: hands on, hands off. But I mean, I don't I

1:27:47 Speaker 4: can't go into the weeds. I don't know. I'm speculating,

1:27:49 Speaker 4: but I'm telling you from the ET contact I have,

1:27:52 Speaker 4: it's hands on, hands off. It's not about like appealing

1:27:55 Speaker 4: to the government.

1:27:55 Speaker 3: Do you think that the.

1:27:59 Speaker 5: I don't like to say extraterrestrial or alien, but because you.

1:28:04 Speaker 3: Say it, do you think that.

1:28:07 Speaker 5: There are ets that are control because we think we're

1:28:13 Speaker 5: in control of disclosure, do you think that we might

1:28:18 Speaker 5: not be and that they are actually in control of

1:28:22 Speaker 5: whether the information is disclosed to the public. Like DoD

1:28:25 Speaker 5: they have the did they have the ultimate.

1:28:27 Speaker 4: Say, they have a broader they have more macro level perspective.

1:28:31 Speaker 4: They would, right, they would have a more macro level perspective, right,

1:28:35 Speaker 4: I mean, like it would be crazy if you think that,

1:28:37 Speaker 4: like you know, it would be crazy. Like I mean,

1:28:40 Speaker 4: like look at Builder Bird group they make they have

1:28:44 Speaker 4: a lot of money, they have mass a lot of wealth.

1:28:46 Speaker 4: They have a power, but they do have responsibility whether

1:28:50 Speaker 4: we agree with how the things were going or not.

1:28:52 Speaker 4: That's what came to be. I mean the same would

1:28:55 Speaker 4: go for like obviously, and I think they're ultra dimensional.

1:28:58 Speaker 4: I think extra trust ultra dimensional, but I do call

1:29:02 Speaker 4: them extraterrestrial, and then they are like I definitely do

1:29:06 Speaker 4: think that they are doing it both ways. However, I

1:29:09 Speaker 4: want to caveat this not to go because there's a

1:29:13 Speaker 4: difference between doing something and going against the will of individuals.

1:29:19 Speaker 4: You don't go, you don't do it at the expense

1:29:21 Speaker 4: of individuals. That's not what they're doing I think at scale.

1:29:26 Speaker 4: But that being said, I do think that they do

1:29:28 Speaker 4: it to certain people. Can you explain that because we're

1:29:32 Speaker 4: individuals and we're a collective, the human race, right, individuals

1:29:36 Speaker 4: and a collective. We have to distinguish between this like

1:29:40 Speaker 4: when you describe extraterrestrial ultradimensional contact or like, rather that

1:29:45 Speaker 4: they would be kind of guiding human affairs, would you

1:29:49 Speaker 4: do you mean it to be like that? They're very

1:29:51 Speaker 4: top down with it.

1:29:52 Speaker 5: But they have they infiltrated our government? Are they are they?

1:29:56 Speaker 5: Do you think that they are working with our government?

1:30:00 Speaker 4: It depends who you're speaking of, because, like we talked

1:30:02 Speaker 4: about the government, but it's very much comprised of individuals.

1:30:07 Speaker 5: Yeah, the government organizations.

1:30:08 Speaker 4: Different interests, different interests, so that that's specificity.

1:30:15 Speaker 5: Do you think there's any faction in our government, whether

1:30:20 Speaker 5: it's black programs or not, on acknowledge programs or not.

1:30:29 Speaker 5: Is it plausible that there might be some sort of

1:30:34 Speaker 5: working relationship between NHI and human beings?

1:30:43 Speaker 3: Plausible?

1:30:44 Speaker 4: Yeah. You know, the former I think chief of ARISPEC,

1:30:51 Speaker 4: I'm he even stated he said he worked at the

1:30:56 Speaker 4: highest level Unit what was it, Unit eighty one or

1:30:59 Speaker 4: something in Israel. He came out in December twenty twenty

1:31:02 Speaker 4: and stated that they're working with extraterrestrials. He's a significant

1:31:07 Speaker 4: figure because he worked on their S and T program

1:31:09 Speaker 4: Science and technology for the IDF. He came out in

1:31:13 Speaker 4: December twenty twenty stating that, oh, they're working US government,

1:31:16 Speaker 4: Israel government, and I think world governments are working with ets.

1:31:20 Speaker 5: And he said specifically Trump knows about it.

1:31:23 Speaker 4: And then he said Trump knows about.

1:31:24 Speaker 3: It, so.

1:31:27 Speaker 5: And that galactic federation idea comes back up, right, He

1:31:30 Speaker 5: stated that, yeah, so and again, like you said, this

1:31:33 Speaker 5: is the Israeli.

1:31:36 Speaker 3: Defense minister or whatever. You know. This isn't just some.

1:31:42 Speaker 5: Random Joe blow.

1:31:45 Speaker 3: So it raises questions.

1:31:49 Speaker 5: Right for me, I think the culmination of all of

1:31:55 Speaker 5: these like high level people coming out and kind of

1:31:59 Speaker 5: getting on board, I think the cats out of the bag.

1:32:03 Speaker 5: Do you think that we are in some sort of

1:32:05 Speaker 5: controlled disclosure that there might be something where there's a

1:32:09 Speaker 5: ticking clock?

1:32:12 Speaker 4: Uh? Yeah? And here so can I can I reference this?

1:32:16 Speaker 4: This is part of this is my ety contact led

1:32:19 Speaker 4: me to read like evaluating my priorities. I was in

1:32:23 Speaker 4: Georgetown University School of Foreign Service and you as China

1:32:28 Speaker 4: going to war with each other? Do you think that

1:32:30 Speaker 4: people in the Congo want to be part of nuclear

1:32:32 Speaker 4: war after they're being tormented in East Congo? Children bashed heads.

1:32:37 Speaker 4: I don't know what I can say. I'm gonna be careful,

1:32:39 Speaker 4: women great like all this, all this, and then focus

1:32:42 Speaker 4: Congo is out there, Papi O'Ryan is building schools.

1:32:48 Speaker 5: So they don't want nuclear.

1:32:50 Speaker 4: War and they're they're going through the worst thing today. Sorry,

1:32:55 Speaker 4: So so my question is this, are we all on war?

1:33:01 Speaker 4: And do they have a voice the people who are

1:33:04 Speaker 4: really collectively suffering the most collectively I'm not saying individually

1:33:08 Speaker 4: because we have awful things happening here too, right in

1:33:11 Speaker 4: our neighborhoods, but collectively when I look at it from

1:33:15 Speaker 4: geopolitical which disclosure seems to be a very from the government,

1:33:19 Speaker 4: very geopolitically related and political right, more macro level of analysis,

1:33:26 Speaker 4: building schools. I just was in December with machine gun

1:33:31 Speaker 4: preacher Sam Childers. Sam Childers, he rescues child rebel soldiers.

1:33:37 Speaker 4: He from not just like, oh, we're gonna just do

1:33:39 Speaker 4: LGBTQ in a country where it's not allowed and we

1:33:42 Speaker 4: spend a bunch of tax pay dollars. There no a

1:33:45 Speaker 4: to z rescues children from the bush. They don't have

1:33:48 Speaker 4: parents because it's strict right, He's not taking them from

1:33:50 Speaker 4: parents unless temporarily they have some sort of disability and

1:33:55 Speaker 4: the mom is begging them to get the kid help, right, right,

1:33:59 Speaker 4: They need approval from the government they're working, but agency

1:34:03 Speaker 4: getting them jobs when they grow up, or sending them

1:34:06 Speaker 4: to university. Some of them work in the South student government.

1:34:09 Speaker 4: These things wouldn't be happening God, if God, if there was,

1:34:14 Speaker 4: if God was like there's nuclear war, right, if God

1:34:16 Speaker 4: was going to be like there's nuclear war. So if

1:34:17 Speaker 4: there's gonna be nuclear wars, not of God.

1:34:21 Speaker 5: So it's of something else, whatever.

1:34:25 Speaker 4: You want to call it. But God seems to be

1:34:27 Speaker 4: working towards the future, a positive future in these case,

1:34:32 Speaker 4: in these places. But it's just not on the news.

1:34:36 Speaker 4: It's just not a topic of interest for people. It's

1:34:39 Speaker 4: not a conversation.

1:34:41 Speaker 5: How can people I'll put the link for they have

1:34:45 Speaker 5: a website, I'm sure.

1:34:46 Speaker 4: Right focus Congo and I give you the video.

1:34:50 Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll put the that in the description below. It's

1:34:53 Speaker 5: an organization that I would love to you know, the show.

1:34:58 Speaker 5: We could donate some money and you know, play our

1:35:02 Speaker 5: part the best we can and to everyone who's involved

1:35:06 Speaker 5: in that. And with yourself, like even with yourself, I

1:35:09 Speaker 5: saw you over there doing your thing. That reminds me

1:35:15 Speaker 5: that there is tangible good in this world. But you

1:35:21 Speaker 5: look at something like the Epstein files proves to me

1:35:27 Speaker 5: that there's tangible evil. So just like there's probably good ET,

1:35:37 Speaker 5: do you suscept do you suspect that there's indifferent or

1:35:42 Speaker 5: malevolent et? And maybe this is what our ancestors called

1:35:47 Speaker 5: demons or.

1:35:49 Speaker 3: Gods.

1:35:51 Speaker 4: I think it's up to interpretation. Also, even just so broadly.

1:35:56 Speaker 4: I say, mind's good, but guess what, like what would

1:36:01 Speaker 4: I let them do it? Only me letting them use

1:36:05 Speaker 4: me to do some bad? Then it's bad. Was it

1:36:08 Speaker 4: all great? No, it was like torture when I told

1:36:11 Speaker 4: you when I was electric chucks and fight or flight

1:36:14 Speaker 4: mode kicked up and all these different things going on.

1:36:17 Speaker 4: But like just a whole experience is just obviously traumatic.

1:36:20 Speaker 4: They certainly can recognize that. I think. I think it's

1:36:24 Speaker 4: like objectively like horrific. They can just you can measure

1:36:28 Speaker 4: it like people are not happy when they're in like

1:36:30 Speaker 4: psychosis and things like that. But I think it's up

1:36:34 Speaker 4: to interpretation. It really is. It's all good and evil.

1:36:38 Speaker 4: I think the spiritual warfare is the best way to

1:36:40 Speaker 4: describe it. Whether it's et ultradimensional gin, the angels, deeming,

1:36:45 Speaker 4: all of that I think is accurate.

1:36:50 Speaker 5: Where do you see disclosure in the next do you

1:37:00 Speaker 5: do you think the world is ready for disclosure?

1:37:03 Speaker 4: I think the they're the way early adopters, the way

1:37:07 Speaker 4: technology works. There's really adopters the critical point all that

1:37:11 Speaker 4: stuff whatever, I don't know. I think that the experiencers

1:37:16 Speaker 4: are the fundamental part of the equation. The connecting node

1:37:20 Speaker 4: I think the government and the UAPs and that is

1:37:22 Speaker 4: imperative because it's unveiling things that the public was not

1:37:28 Speaker 4: previously privy to. Privy gets to be exposed to this.

1:37:33 Speaker 4: And I'm not really involved in I'm not a UFO

1:37:36 Speaker 4: researcher at all. Like I just speak to other experiencers

1:37:39 Speaker 4: and like here and there. I'm focused on this and

1:37:42 Speaker 4: I'm in school right now for optitionery, hopefully to open

1:37:46 Speaker 4: a business with my mom and then be able to

1:37:48 Speaker 4: do like more of this. And but I think it's

1:37:52 Speaker 4: all connected. I'm not in charge of it. I can't

1:37:55 Speaker 4: really speak to what their plan is with the government that,

1:37:59 Speaker 4: but I think that just bringing light to it is

1:38:03 Speaker 4: all positive.

1:38:05 Speaker 3: How have you have your experiences with.

1:38:13 Speaker 5: ET continued like to this day?

1:38:17 Speaker 4: Yeah?

1:38:18 Speaker 5: Can you we're right around wrapped. Uh, we we have

1:38:25 Speaker 5: a few minutes, but can you tell me what is

1:38:33 Speaker 5: continuing to happen? Give me a summary of of uh,

1:38:39 Speaker 5: you know, maybe one of your most recent.

1:38:41 Speaker 4: Experiences tacktile sensations. I see movement. It looks like you

1:38:47 Speaker 4: know when gas like or heat on pavement hot you

1:38:50 Speaker 4: see like that, but it has it has outline like

1:38:53 Speaker 4: I see it moving around, not all the time, many

1:38:59 Speaker 4: different like.

1:39:00 Speaker 5: Things, but any like.

1:39:04 Speaker 4: Visitations, guidance, like sometimes guidance, but I can decide whether

1:39:09 Speaker 4: I want to, Like it's not like you do this okay,

1:39:12 Speaker 4: Like I'm just like a puppet, right Like There'll be

1:39:15 Speaker 4: like some ideas and things and I'm like, oh that's

1:39:18 Speaker 4: interesting and then you know, I can toss it aside

1:39:20 Speaker 4: or I can like.

1:39:22 Speaker 5: Use it.

1:39:23 Speaker 4: I'm like, oh that's a good idea. But they're like this,

1:39:25 Speaker 4: I can tell like when it's THEMB and when it's me.

1:39:28 Speaker 4: But it's not like something that is my who I

1:39:32 Speaker 4: am is is fundamental because you ask someone else who's

1:39:36 Speaker 4: an experiencer, they're going to tell you like like I

1:39:38 Speaker 4: they're they're all evil, all of them are evil, right Like,

1:39:42 Speaker 4: I mean, it's it's a sub one subjective. It's different

1:39:45 Speaker 4: for each individual who has it. And then me like,

1:39:49 Speaker 4: I'm not like I don't need to, like I'm not

1:39:52 Speaker 4: really interested in speaking about every day. However, I like

1:39:55 Speaker 4: to speak to people who ask me questions like you,

1:39:57 Speaker 4: I'm really honored to be here. I'm really glad I'm here.

1:39:59 Speaker 4: Actually really was the most comfortable on your podcast out

1:40:04 Speaker 4: of all of the podcasts that I've been on last

1:40:06 Speaker 4: year and now that I'm yere apart far from it,

1:40:10 Speaker 4: I looked back at ours, I was like, yeah, that

1:40:12 Speaker 4: was the one. Yeah, Tye was the real There was not.

1:40:16 Speaker 4: I'm not saying they're not really really. I love everyone

1:40:19 Speaker 4: I met, Tony, I met you, fol good Morning Foe,

1:40:22 Speaker 4: incredible people and Nino, but the boxer he well, it

1:40:27 Speaker 4: was not from my experience but other things. But I

1:40:29 Speaker 4: felt I was like ty Is. I liked how I felt,

1:40:33 Speaker 4: and I liked how I was. I was just like

1:40:35 Speaker 4: feeling very like raw and authentic. And I was kind

1:40:38 Speaker 4: of venting to you at that point because I was like,

1:40:40 Speaker 4: where the heck is Congress. Tim burch is posting his

1:40:43 Speaker 4: stay He's like, that's a good steak. I was like, bro,

1:40:46 Speaker 4: Like Matt Lovelsburg like, it's a shitty steak. It's not

1:40:50 Speaker 4: that great. It was not that great, and we didn't

1:40:53 Speaker 4: know what was going on. Matt Lovelsburg. I'm sorry, but

1:40:55 Speaker 4: I'm sure you make better steaks than that.

1:40:57 Speaker 7: Yeah.

1:40:58 Speaker 4: Not for the not for the time.

1:41:01 Speaker 5: We're making in routs with other members as well. We

1:41:04 Speaker 5: want to we have a big plans going forward with

1:41:09 Speaker 5: other people that are more local to New England. So

1:41:13 Speaker 5: I really can't wait to uh, you know, just jump

1:41:17 Speaker 5: into that and see where it goes.

1:41:20 Speaker 3: But do.

1:41:26 Speaker 5: You talk to experiencers that have been claimed or have

1:41:30 Speaker 5: claimed abduction?

1:41:34 Speaker 3: What do you think of abduction?

1:41:36 Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't know what they're what their

1:41:40 Speaker 4: meaning is, because I don't know if it projects in

1:41:42 Speaker 4: and it can make your I don't know. Because Angelie's

1:41:44 Speaker 4: experience and I out of all the people, John Ramirez

1:41:49 Speaker 4: Angelie like, if you would have asked me my opinion,

1:41:52 Speaker 4: I say, I know she's an experiencer. I know for

1:41:55 Speaker 4: a fact. I know that John Ramurez is for a

1:41:58 Speaker 4: fact after I had a conversation with him and I

1:42:00 Speaker 4: had my experience as a reference point. I'm not listening

1:42:03 Speaker 4: to them like I'm running with it. I have my experience,

1:42:06 Speaker 4: so I use that point of reference. Willie Striver is

1:42:09 Speaker 4: one hundred percent experiencer. Yeah, I can't think.

1:42:12 Speaker 5: Oh.

1:42:12 Speaker 4: Oh, Shane Frakes, Oh he Shane. Yeah, Shane Frakes is

1:42:16 Speaker 4: a major experiencer. Like the insights quite interesting, the insights

1:42:22 Speaker 4: that he had. It's through the it's through what they

1:42:24 Speaker 4: their insights and you see through their realizations. You see

1:42:27 Speaker 4: the way that anyway, So like that's what they saw.

1:42:31 Speaker 4: And then Jason sands, I think he is one, but

1:42:38 Speaker 4: I don't know. I like, I can't speak to the

1:42:41 Speaker 4: interpretive part of it. I think he's an experiencer. Okay,

1:42:47 Speaker 4: I think so, But I'm just saying I'm like that

1:42:50 Speaker 4: those are people, and the reason why is because I

1:42:52 Speaker 4: heard them speak about their things, and I have my

1:42:55 Speaker 4: point of reference in terms of their characters.

1:42:58 Speaker 5: You know, you think he's fighting their character. You think

1:43:02 Speaker 5: he's killing blue aliens.

1:43:05 Speaker 4: So I said an interpretation, And that's the thing where

1:43:08 Speaker 4: I'm like not gonna comment on. But when it comes

1:43:11 Speaker 4: to the character, I look at people's character to determine

1:43:16 Speaker 4: whether they're interpreting things. Yeah, whether they're interpreting it the

1:43:19 Speaker 4: way that it's supposed to be or way that it

1:43:22 Speaker 4: actually is. It's subjective. I don't know.

1:43:26 Speaker 5: What do you think is happening out there at Groom Lake.

1:43:29 Speaker 4: I don't know. Like, I'll only give you my opinion,

1:43:35 Speaker 4: and then like I look at character before I make

1:43:38 Speaker 4: other determinations, Like I think is experience, whether they interpret

1:43:41 Speaker 4: it the way that it actually is, I don't know.

1:43:43 Speaker 4: I'm not going to comment on that.

1:43:44 Speaker 5: Do you believe.

1:43:45 Speaker 3: Do you believe bab Lazar? For instance?

1:43:49 Speaker 5: Like, did you have you seen that movie that just

1:43:51 Speaker 5: came out? As for the Bob Blazar story, Well maybe

1:43:56 Speaker 5: I'll rent it for you tonight and you can watch it.

1:43:59 Speaker 3: It's I mean.

1:44:01 Speaker 4: Can I be honest, I just don't want to.

1:44:03 Speaker 5: Oh, I'm not interested.

1:44:05 Speaker 4: Really, I really like when I tell you, like, as

1:44:08 Speaker 4: far as my experience and stuff, I'm not interested in

1:44:11 Speaker 4: Like the U I watched a few when I was

1:44:13 Speaker 4: like really trying to figure it out.

1:44:15 Speaker 5: That kind of makes me like you more. Really, I'm

1:44:18 Speaker 5: just not He're just not interested in any of that.

1:44:20 Speaker 5: Other ship seems fun, he got, I know, but here's

1:44:26 Speaker 5: my thing. I might have to cut this out, So

1:44:29 Speaker 5: hit me with a timer marker.

1:44:34 Speaker 7: He goes on.

1:44:34 Speaker 5: Rogan twice, right, the biggest arguably, actually not even arguably.

1:44:41 Speaker 5: It's the biggest podcast period, it's the biggest stage period

1:44:47 Speaker 5: and he he crumbles both times.

1:44:53 Speaker 4: Really, I didn't watch the whole thing. I just saw a.

1:44:54 Speaker 5: Clip of accidentally gets too drunk the second time and

1:44:57 Speaker 5: the first time. I don't know if you remember, but

1:45:00 Speaker 5: he Jeremy was like, oh he's got a headache, he's

1:45:04 Speaker 5: got a headache, he's nervous, and then I fed a

1:45:06 Speaker 5: McDonald's and and he's he's he really doesn't feel well.

1:45:11 Speaker 5: And it's like both times he went on Rogan, he

1:45:14 Speaker 5: just seems to like crumble and it's like, ok, I.

1:45:18 Speaker 4: Think bablosar like he's like, you're not putting this in right,

1:45:25 Speaker 4: You're gonna cut it?

1:45:25 Speaker 5: Like yeah, he.

1:45:27 Speaker 4: Might Okay, fuck it, he might be getting it. Bablas

1:45:31 Speaker 4: are baba's are you Like? I feel like he's getting

1:45:34 Speaker 4: slapped around, like I think they do whatever they want.

1:45:36 Speaker 4: Tom No is it like I think he's letting it

1:45:38 Speaker 4: to a lot of external things. If Jerreman, if Jeremy Crow,

1:45:41 Speaker 4: no one's speaking for me right, Like I'm not going

1:45:43 Speaker 4: on a show and Jeremy's gonna be like my Timmy hurts.

1:45:45 Speaker 4: I was like fucking like, tuck that pussy away, like

1:45:48 Speaker 4: I'm good, like dude, like no, seriously, like, don't make

1:45:54 Speaker 4: me sound like that, because I'm gonna tell you to

1:45:56 Speaker 4: stop it. You like you know, I'm gonna stand up

1:45:58 Speaker 4: for myself. So when and when I see someone being

1:46:01 Speaker 4: spoken for on Behalf, I'm like, who, like you likeded

1:46:04 Speaker 4: your speech? So I think he's getting ragged a little

1:46:07 Speaker 4: bit if you think he's crumbling, I didn't watch the

1:46:09 Speaker 4: whole thing, and going based on what you said, he's

1:46:12 Speaker 4: a lot of it's letting other people make decisions.

1:46:14 Speaker 3: So I agree.

1:46:15 Speaker 5: I think Bob's actually quite a genuine man like in hisself,

1:46:20 Speaker 5: but he's you can clearly see that he's being used

1:46:24 Speaker 5: in some sort of endeavor by the UFO researchers. He's

1:46:31 Speaker 5: he's making appearances on four shows. One of them was

1:46:36 Speaker 5: Rogan Weaponized with Corbella and Knapp, Area fifty two at

1:46:42 Speaker 5: Chris Ramsey and American Alchemy with Jesse Michaels.

1:46:47 Speaker 3: That's the only.

1:46:48 Speaker 5: Podcast that he's doing, and they have all so Bob

1:46:54 Speaker 5: Bazaar did the live show with Ramsey and Jesse, and

1:46:57 Speaker 5: Jesse is really connect to with Rogan. So it's just

1:47:01 Speaker 5: an echo chamber and corbell and Napp with Rogan, they're

1:47:05 Speaker 5: always on.

1:47:06 Speaker 3: It's just so it's it is interesting.

1:47:09 Speaker 5: I'll put this as a member's only part. But yeah, back.

1:47:14 Speaker 4: When I run for when I run for president, you're

1:47:17 Speaker 4: gonna have to get room. That's locker room. Yeah, I'm

1:47:24 Speaker 4: just kidding.

1:47:26 Speaker 5: Is there any question that this is gonna.

1:47:29 Speaker 4: Be clipped and somebody, it's gonna be all over oman

1:47:32 Speaker 4: to be a world star. World star.

1:47:35 Speaker 5: Is you said you had ongoing contact, right, it's continuing

1:47:41 Speaker 5: to happen. Are they still showing you or are you

1:47:46 Speaker 5: still getting implications of conflict?

1:47:51 Speaker 4: No? But I'm more like in tune with like the

1:47:55 Speaker 4: humanitarian crisis, like what's happening all over the world here.

1:48:00 Speaker 4: I'm like, once I get everything going, I have already

1:48:04 Speaker 4: have contact with people who were counter child trafficking. I'm

1:48:08 Speaker 4: going to get that going and Fayeville Fort Fayville, North Carolina,

1:48:11 Speaker 4: where I live. But but right now, my priorities focus

1:48:14 Speaker 4: Congo because they're resting children for war and every day

1:48:18 Speaker 4: it's not on news villages or just getting burned down

1:48:21 Speaker 4: and stuff. But that's what I'm working on, and ET

1:48:25 Speaker 4: contact helps me.

1:48:27 Speaker 5: Just so you're just kind of rolling, chilling.

1:48:30 Speaker 4: I'm chilling with it.

1:48:31 Speaker 5: You're rolling with it, and and you've almost embraced it

1:48:35 Speaker 5: as part of your life.

1:48:37 Speaker 4: It's just what it is.

1:48:38 Speaker 5: No choice.

1:48:41 Speaker 4: Don't don't read into that. When I say no choice,

1:48:43 Speaker 4: people read into it, and then I get it. I mean,

1:48:47 Speaker 4: like just whatever, So what's next for you?

1:48:51 Speaker 3: More Congo stuff? Of course?

1:48:53 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm gonna go there. Uh sometimes this year I

1:48:56 Speaker 4: just want to get that's like operational security because it's

1:48:59 Speaker 4: dangerous going there. Sometime this year I get to see

1:49:02 Speaker 4: the work. That's the great work they're doing schools. Really,

1:49:05 Speaker 4: it's like incredible. And then I'm going back to Angels

1:49:10 Speaker 4: of East Africa with the sam Children's machine Gun preacher

1:49:13 Speaker 4: his team. His CEO is Evelina. She's my friend. And

1:49:17 Speaker 4: I'll be there in December again and finishing my opticianery program.

1:49:23 Speaker 4: So it's trade school to fix glasses, to start an

1:49:26 Speaker 4: optical in Southern Pines, North Carolina, interesting and serving the

1:49:31 Speaker 4: veteran community. My mom is an experienced master optician, well

1:49:35 Speaker 4: almost a master optician.

1:49:36 Speaker 5: So what does she say about all this experience or stuff?

1:49:40 Speaker 4: She didn't She didn't. I don't talk about it no reason.

1:49:45 Speaker 4: It's just me talking at you and you don't have

1:49:47 Speaker 4: any reference point unless you are an experiencer or you're curious.

1:49:51 Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't want to sit here and just.

1:49:56 Speaker 3: Yeah, I get it.

1:49:57 Speaker 5: So this is a copy of Infinity Disclosed, and this

1:50:03 Speaker 5: is a UFO patch and some stickers for the studio.

1:50:07 Speaker 4: That we want to give you that awesome.

1:50:09 Speaker 5: Yeah, the authors right there.

1:50:11 Speaker 3: You can sign that for you.

1:50:13 Speaker 4: I want to get this signed.

1:50:15 Speaker 5: Thank you Jeane, and we will. This has been super fun.

1:50:20 Speaker 5: I'd love to have you back. We're going to do

1:50:22 Speaker 5: some more filming, uh you know, before you leave. But

1:50:27 Speaker 5: this is the This was really great. This was good

1:50:29 Speaker 5: to get the uh you know that whole story. Is

1:50:32 Speaker 5: there any question I didn't ask that you want to ask,

1:50:37 Speaker 5: or that more people should ask?

1:50:39 Speaker 3: What are we missing?

1:50:43 Speaker 4: It's a like, oh sorry, I keep hitting the mic.

1:50:47 Speaker 4: It's a strong emphasis on like metacognition and really like

1:50:51 Speaker 4: thinking about thinking and awareness. Like I said, like the

1:50:55 Speaker 4: way that Shane Frakes really lays it out there is

1:50:59 Speaker 4: on par with what my my internal experiences and has

1:51:02 Speaker 4: been since I initiated contact. I wasn't like a drone beforehand.

1:51:07 Speaker 4: I would study and analyze myself, but it accelerated it, right,

1:51:12 Speaker 4: being an experiencer.

1:51:13 Speaker 5: So what would you say to someone who's having experiences

1:51:18 Speaker 5: and doesn't understand what to do? What would you what

1:51:22 Speaker 5: would your advice be for them?

1:51:26 Speaker 4: Still get mental health help. I think it's like important,

1:51:30 Speaker 4: it's still helpful to speak to a therapist because you're

1:51:33 Speaker 4: working through it and be cautious like I was be

1:51:37 Speaker 4: cautious about just diagnosing yourself of whether it is or not,

1:51:41 Speaker 4: you know, like in the beginning, actually, you know what,

1:51:45 Speaker 4: do what you want to do. I'm not going to

1:51:47 Speaker 4: say don't do it, because I feel like that's like

1:51:49 Speaker 4: super programmat like I'm trying to like cover my docks.

1:51:51 Speaker 4: So no one like sues me. Just do what you

1:51:53 Speaker 4: feel is right and then like get help. And it's

1:51:57 Speaker 4: not discounting, and don't don't be scared of and you

1:52:01 Speaker 4: shouldn't be. In general, I think we're scared of admitting

1:52:03 Speaker 4: that we had mental health issues or that we had them.

1:52:07 Speaker 4: Don't hide that. There's no point. It's an overlapping experience.

1:52:11 Speaker 4: Think about every single experience you have is mental And

1:52:13 Speaker 4: if you have something that is sudden and definitely stands

1:52:16 Speaker 4: out right, it's anomalist. It might be a little bit traumatic, right,

1:52:20 Speaker 4: So then okay, so then it has okay, who cares?

1:52:24 Speaker 4: So we just you know, I know there are people

1:52:26 Speaker 4: in the community I suspect and they say their experiences

1:52:29 Speaker 4: I suspect their experiences. They exhibit behaviors that normal person

1:52:34 Speaker 4: would say is bizarre. Like my behavior was in certain

1:52:38 Speaker 4: parts of my experience just.

1:52:41 Speaker 5: Part of it, right right, Well, this has been so fantastic.

1:52:47 Speaker 3: Thank you so much for coming out here.

1:52:50 Speaker 5: Where can people follow what you're doing?

1:52:54 Speaker 4: My first and last name at Michela Fachar on TikTok,

1:52:58 Speaker 4: Instagram and x My social media is the best place.

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1:54:00 Speaker 3: Must be the season of the week. Must be the season,

1:54:07 Speaker 3: not the week.

1:54:10 Speaker 2: Must be the season.

1:54:12 Speaker 3: Up the bitch.

1:54:24 Speaker 2: I'm when I look over my shoulder, what do you

1:54:30 Speaker 2: think I see some of the cats, looking over his

1:54:41 Speaker 2: shoulder at me.