NASA UFO WHISTLEBLOWER REVEALED! Inside the New UFO Bureau — The Doctor Who Broke His Silence

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2:26 Speaker 3: Welcome back to Total Disclosure.

2:27 Speaker 1: I'm your host, Tyler Roberts, and tonight we're taking a

2:31 Speaker 1: giant step forward in the fight for transparency. Joining me

2:36 Speaker 1: is a new voice that you need to know UFO

2:39 Speaker 1: researcher and advocate Melissa Madrigal, whose new approach to the

2:44 Speaker 1: phenomenon has earned her quite the respect across the field.

2:49 Speaker 1: Alongside her, we're honored to be joined by the new

2:52 Speaker 1: head of the International UFO Bureau, now fully revamped with

2:57 Speaker 1: a clear mission to gather credibles, analyze them with scientific rigor,

3:03 Speaker 1: and give both researchers and experiencers a trusted place to

3:07 Speaker 1: report encounters without fear, without ridicule, and without suppression.

3:12 Speaker 3: This is a turning point.

3:13 Speaker 1: The International UFO Bureau is rolling out a brand new

3:17 Speaker 1: reporting mechanism, secure, accessible and focused on data integrity.

3:23 Speaker 3: No more red tape, no more black holes of silence.

3:26 Speaker 1: This system is designed to collect not just stories, but evidence,

3:31 Speaker 1: satellite telemetry, radar returns, biometric responses, and so much more.

3:36 Speaker 1: It's a centralized hub for experiencers, scientists and pilots and

3:41 Speaker 1: military professionals alike. But that's not all, because tonight we're

3:45 Speaker 1: proud to announce something monumental. For the first time, we're

3:49 Speaker 1: revealing the identity of a high ranking individual who is

3:53 Speaker 1: coming forward as a whistleblower with direct firsthand experience involving

3:58 Speaker 1: unidentified aerial phenomen His credentials are beyond reproach, his courage undeniable.

4:05 Speaker 3: First off, I do want to.

4:07 Speaker 1: Thank the ladies for coming in tonight, So thank you

4:12 Speaker 1: both for being here. I guess we'll I really want

4:14 Speaker 1: to start off with you know, Mindy, and talk about

4:18 Speaker 1: the International UFO Bureau, what it is, why you revamped it,

4:23 Speaker 1: and you know what, what's the big deal.

4:27 Speaker 7: Well, first, thank you for having me in here tonight, Ty,

4:30 Speaker 7: I appreciate it. I always loved working with you and

4:33 Speaker 7: with Melissa. We've got such a wonderful team that has

4:36 Speaker 7: a simple just It was almost like by design. I

4:43 Speaker 7: would have to say something guided all of us to

4:46 Speaker 7: come together under the banner of the Bureau because we

4:50 Speaker 7: only started this a few months ago and it has

4:53 Speaker 7: just continued to grow as you've seen. So I'm so

4:56 Speaker 7: excited to be heading it up and bringing all of

4:59 Speaker 7: the things that we're putting together to the public. And

5:03 Speaker 7: I know people have to be a little bit patient.

5:06 Speaker 7: It's going to take some time to get everything together,

5:08 Speaker 7: but rest assured everything is moving ahead. In the background,

5:13 Speaker 7: we're working tirelessly to get our database completed and to

5:18 Speaker 7: get the reporting form up, which should be up in

5:21 Speaker 7: the next couple of days. We also just today put

5:25 Speaker 7: up our volunteer application. So people have been coming to

5:29 Speaker 7: us in droves wanting to know how to join the Bureau,

5:32 Speaker 7: and we now have a way forward for that. So

5:37 Speaker 7: it's just an incredible monumental task to get everything built

5:41 Speaker 7: out as quickly as possible, but maintaining that high level

5:45 Speaker 7: of professionalism that people have come to expect from so

5:48 Speaker 7: many in our team.

5:51 Speaker 3: Absolutely.

5:52 Speaker 7: So to back up the background of the Bureau, it

5:57 Speaker 7: was formed in nineteen fifty seven by Hayden C. Hugh

6:00 Speaker 7: and I grew up here in Oklahoma City. He was

6:03 Speaker 7: actually here and yeah.

6:05 Speaker 2: There's our new logo. I hope that he would be

6:07 Speaker 2: very proud of what we've done with it. We kind

6:09 Speaker 2: of modernized what he had created back in the day.

6:12 Speaker 7: And so Hayden set this bureau up back when he

6:15 Speaker 7: was a teenager, and he actually had gotten a visit

6:19 Speaker 7: from what he called the men in Black, which I imagine

6:21 Speaker 7: it was the beginnings.

6:22 Speaker 2: Of the FBI.

6:24 Speaker 7: That was a showing open his door and asking his

6:27 Speaker 7: mother to speak with Hayden, and she said, well, that's

6:31 Speaker 7: my thirteen year old and he had written to the

6:34 Speaker 7: Premiere of Russia back then, and this was beginnings of

6:38 Speaker 7: the Cold War, and they actually sent him copies of

6:42 Speaker 7: the pictures of the backside of the moon. And so

6:46 Speaker 7: whenever something came in from Russia to Hayden Use, the

6:50 Speaker 7: powers that be wanted to know what exactly that correspondence entailed,

6:55 Speaker 7: and so that really set a fire within him.

6:58 Speaker 2: He was always interested in the UFO phenomena.

7:02 Speaker 7: And once he knew that the FBI was now watching,

7:06 Speaker 7: he really wanted to dig into it. So it set

7:10 Speaker 7: off years and years of some of the biggest investigations.

7:14 Speaker 7: He was there for the Aurora crash investigation, which it

7:18 Speaker 7: happened back in eighteen ninety seven, but they revisited the

7:22 Speaker 7: site in the seventies and took several samples and did

7:26 Speaker 7: analysis of like the well water and the grave site

7:29 Speaker 7: where supposedly being not of this world was buried. We

7:34 Speaker 7: have the Jimmy Carter Report that came directly into the

7:37 Speaker 7: International UFO Buro and from what I understand, were the

7:41 Speaker 7: only organization that holds a former presidential report such as this.

7:47 Speaker 7: So it's incredible that we've been able to catalog all

7:52 Speaker 7: of that history.

7:54 Speaker 3: One of the things that really drew me in.

7:58 Speaker 1: I mean not just because of the bringing you know,

8:01 Speaker 1: reporting research and data analysis to the twenty first century,

8:07 Speaker 1: which you know, I've been screaming at the top of

8:09 Speaker 1: my lungs. You know, younger people like myself, like Melissa,

8:13 Speaker 1: you know, so many others, Christina Gomez. You know, there's

8:17 Speaker 1: such an integral market of people that you know, don't really.

8:22 Speaker 3: Know about MOFON.

8:23 Speaker 1: They don't really have experience with reporting these things, and

8:28 Speaker 1: you know, there's no there's no one out there telling

8:30 Speaker 1: them where to go to report it. So to bring

8:33 Speaker 1: younger people and others who've had encounters that maybe MOFON

8:38 Speaker 1: wouldn't have taken as serious, I think is going to

8:41 Speaker 1: be something that the community not only needs, but I

8:46 Speaker 1: mean it deserves.

8:48 Speaker 7: But well, in our motto is really illuminating the past,

8:52 Speaker 7: understanding the president, and guiding the future. And that's a

8:56 Speaker 7: big part of what we're trying to take into account

8:59 Speaker 7: as we are roach a new way of looking at

9:02 Speaker 7: the phenomena and understanding it and utilizing current capabilities to

9:08 Speaker 7: understand it in a whole new way. So in illuminating

9:12 Speaker 7: the past, we're bringing in all those archives from having

9:16 Speaker 7: that he had for you know, fifty years or so

9:19 Speaker 7: of investigations that we're bringing in. We're using that and

9:23 Speaker 7: combining it with modern reports and even reports from the

9:27 Speaker 7: indigenous community, which one of our board of directors, Michelle Miners,

9:30 Speaker 7: has collected more than five hundred reports from the indigenous communities.

9:35 Speaker 7: That is going to help to inform us of what

9:38 Speaker 7: they've been seeing and what is in their traditions form

9:41 Speaker 7: thousands of years, and then marrying that with things that

9:45 Speaker 7: are coming in today and understanding how the phenomenon may

9:50 Speaker 7: have changed, how it may have stayed the same, if

9:53 Speaker 7: there's groupings of different types of sightings or encounters.

9:58 Speaker 2: There's so much that we can dig.

9:59 Speaker 7: In to once we narrow it down to the true

10:02 Speaker 7: unknowns and we can do that deep data analysis and

10:06 Speaker 7: start really understanding more about this phenomena in a public sphere,

10:11 Speaker 7: there may be things that the government or military may

10:14 Speaker 7: know that they're not sharing with us. That I truly

10:17 Speaker 7: believe that today we are disclosure. We have so many

10:21 Speaker 7: tools and with the whole community coming together, we are

10:27 Speaker 7: a force to be reckoned with. Whenever we bring everyone together.

10:31 Speaker 7: You had mentioned about the different generations and That's one

10:35 Speaker 7: of the really interesting things with the Bureau is we

10:38 Speaker 7: have some of the older generations from like the Boomer

10:41 Speaker 7: generation that are helping guide this.

10:44 Speaker 2: I myself, I'm gen X.

10:47 Speaker 7: I'm kind of on the cusp there between Gen X

10:49 Speaker 7: and millennial, and then we have millennials and even some

10:52 Speaker 7: Gen Z that are helping inform what we're doing today.

10:56 Speaker 7: So we're trying to bring in that new technology, utilize

11:00 Speaker 7: every thing that has at our fingertips to be able

11:02 Speaker 7: to understand this on a whole new level. And I'm

11:06 Speaker 7: so excited about the things that it's going to start

11:08 Speaker 7: revealing to us. So one of the people that we're

11:11 Speaker 7: very excited about bringing to the foreground and really given

11:15 Speaker 7: a platform two is Melissa Madrigal And I actually found

11:20 Speaker 7: her on TikTok and she was talking about some things

11:23 Speaker 7: that really piqued my interests and I thought, my goodness,

11:26 Speaker 7: this girl is fantastic, and I was blown away that

11:31 Speaker 7: most of the people in UFO, you know, communities, don't

11:34 Speaker 7: know her. And so I quickly snacked her up like

11:38 Speaker 7: I did with you, Tye, and said, please join the Bureau.

11:42 Speaker 7: We need to have your voice heard and to represent

11:46 Speaker 7: kind of the younger generations and get them involved in

11:50 Speaker 7: what we're doing. I think that within the millennials and

11:53 Speaker 7: younger most of y'all just already accept that this is

11:58 Speaker 7: a true phenomena and so it's not something that has

12:01 Speaker 7: to be proven like it was with the boomers and

12:04 Speaker 7: with Gen X. Really we were more like there has

12:08 Speaker 7: to be something out there, and now you guys are like,

12:11 Speaker 7: of course there is. So there's a gap there in

12:15 Speaker 7: wanting to get the younger people involved to really report

12:18 Speaker 7: because it's so important for us to understand what we're

12:21 Speaker 7: seeing in the skies and what's going on. So we

12:25 Speaker 7: have to get this younger generation involved in. Melissa and

12:29 Speaker 7: your self, tie, you guys are are the best. So

12:33 Speaker 7: I will take a step back and you know, let

12:35 Speaker 7: Melissa speak. I can't wait for people to really get

12:38 Speaker 7: to know her.

12:40 Speaker 2: I agree you, and I'm really excited to be on board.

12:44 Speaker 2: My name is Melissa.

12:44 Speaker 6: I'm the director of research at the International YOUPHO Bureau,

12:48 Speaker 6: and I have been leading a multi phase investigation into

12:52 Speaker 6: two verified UAP cases and what we've uncovered changes everything.

12:58 Speaker 6: This first release is going to drop in g and

13:00 Speaker 6: it's revealing structure, behavior and a signal data that directly

13:04 Speaker 6: challenges how we understand aerial systems and information transmission.

13:09 Speaker 2: And then the second.

13:10 Speaker 6: Release, which will come out later this year, goes even

13:13 Speaker 6: deeper into the findings with deeper, later layers, harder evidence,

13:18 Speaker 6: and findings that redefine what's possible both in aerospace and

13:24 Speaker 6: communication theory. This no longer is speculation, it's a signal.

13:29 Speaker 6: So that's that's kind of what we're working on right now.

13:33 Speaker 2: There's some cool stuff.

13:35 Speaker 1: I am heavily involved with the UFO Bureau of the

13:38 Speaker 1: Chief Marketing Officer, also handling you know, government relations.

13:43 Speaker 3: So what I really like about the.

13:45 Speaker 1: Bureau is it's, like you said, multifaceted approach to research, analysis,

13:52 Speaker 1: to forming patterns and seeing pattern How are we going,

13:56 Speaker 1: you know, how are you going to approach you know,

14:00 Speaker 1: taking large data sets and trying to pull something out

14:03 Speaker 1: of it.

14:04 Speaker 6: It's a very large question, very but I'm using progressive

14:09 Speaker 6: disclosure and building a complexity through harmonic ladder analysis and

14:13 Speaker 6: propulsion inferences.

14:16 Speaker 2: So that's kind of how I'm doing it. It's just

14:18 Speaker 2: layer by layer.

14:21 Speaker 6: I don't want to talk too much and give away

14:23 Speaker 6: give away too many secrets. There's definitely a system to it.

14:30 Speaker 1: Are you going to be afraid to use artificial intelligence

14:34 Speaker 1: and other tools to help?

14:36 Speaker 2: Absolutely?

14:37 Speaker 6: I think that it's a great thing to use AI.

14:40 Speaker 6: But here's the thing about AI. What I have found

14:42 Speaker 6: out through using artificial intelligence is that the.

14:45 Speaker 3: Computer mimics you.

14:47 Speaker 6: So there's a lot of people talking about telepathy that

14:51 Speaker 6: that that the AI is is reading their minds. But

14:54 Speaker 6: what I did figure out is that it's data stack

14:56 Speaker 6: and it's it's prediction from probability. So we there is

15:01 Speaker 6: some things that can be a little bit that I'm

15:04 Speaker 6: a little hesitant on, but as far as research goes,

15:08 Speaker 6: AI seems to be pretty spot on. It's cool to

15:11 Speaker 6: see even the doctors now pull out their phones and

15:14 Speaker 6: use AI to come up with the answers that would

15:17 Speaker 6: take them a lot longer to come up with. So

15:19 Speaker 6: we're progressing forward, but we need.

15:21 Speaker 1: To be careful and I can definitely understand that. And

15:24 Speaker 1: what I really like about this organization and what you know,

15:30 Speaker 1: what the what the basically the outlook is is because

15:32 Speaker 1: we're not starting from a position of MINDIA talked about

15:35 Speaker 1: is trying to prove that there is something there, it's

15:39 Speaker 1: now shifted to what is there? You know, it's not

15:44 Speaker 1: it's not about the the ifs anymore.

15:46 Speaker 3: It's we know.

15:47 Speaker 1: Something's happening, but what how can we attribute it to?

15:53 Speaker 1: You know, different maybe craft shapes, different being types, and

15:59 Speaker 1: these are things at oftentimes in other reporting agencies have

16:04 Speaker 1: been either looked down upon, you know, or not taken seriously.

16:08 Speaker 3: And you know, it sounds like.

16:09 Speaker 1: The Bureau is going to be welcoming all types of

16:12 Speaker 1: different cases.

16:13 Speaker 7: Absolutely, we won't know what we have until we actually

16:19 Speaker 7: get all of the reports. We can't shut the door

16:22 Speaker 7: and say no parent normal, no cryptids. We don't know

16:27 Speaker 7: if there's a correlation until the data itself tells us that.

16:32 Speaker 7: And correlation does not equal causation. We know that, but

16:37 Speaker 7: we have to at least take a look at it.

16:39 Speaker 7: We have to listen to our experiences, because the experiencers

16:44 Speaker 7: are the ones that have had the direct contact with

16:47 Speaker 7: these kinds of entities, and if they have the feeling that, Okay,

16:54 Speaker 7: you know, I saw a craft and I saw a bigfoot,

16:57 Speaker 7: it sounds ridiculous, But is there a correlation there? We

17:02 Speaker 7: won't know until we have that quantitative data to start

17:05 Speaker 7: breaking it down and seeing how everything really fits in.

17:09 Speaker 7: So at the beginning. We're not shutting the doors on anything.

17:13 Speaker 7: Let's let's take it all in, Let's see what we got,

17:15 Speaker 7: Let's see how it plays out, and what the data

17:18 Speaker 7: itself tells us. And out of that, what we're trying

17:23 Speaker 7: to do is better inform like our law enforcement and

17:27 Speaker 7: first responders whenever they come across something like what happened

17:31 Speaker 7: with the Stephenville lights or what recently happened in Vegas

17:35 Speaker 7: or you know the reports that we're out at the

17:37 Speaker 7: Miami Mall siding, how do they respond to this?

17:41 Speaker 2: Is there a threat level?

17:42 Speaker 7: Is this just a research commission commission that seems to

17:46 Speaker 7: be taking place. You know, we won't know who, the why,

17:52 Speaker 7: the where from. We won't know any of that until

17:55 Speaker 7: we start bringing all that data together and let it

17:58 Speaker 7: speak for itself and then put it out there for

18:00 Speaker 7: public consumption, let the public take it, and then with

18:06 Speaker 7: thousands of minds behind it, that's how we start making

18:09 Speaker 7: better breakthroughs and we better understand things. Because even though

18:13 Speaker 7: we have a wonderful team here at the Bureau, it's

18:15 Speaker 7: the public's input that will help guide us, and vice versa.

18:20 Speaker 7: We'll be able to put things out as they're wanting

18:23 Speaker 7: to hear and they'll probably come up with things that

18:26 Speaker 7: we haven't even thought of on the back end, So

18:30 Speaker 7: it's going to be a very give and take situation.

18:32 Speaker 2: Yeah.

18:33 Speaker 6: I think that kind of makes us very different, is

18:35 Speaker 6: how transparent we are, the fact that we don't discredit

18:38 Speaker 6: anything that comes through. We look at it, discredit if

18:42 Speaker 6: it needs to be discredited. But we have I mean,

18:46 Speaker 6: the transparency is such a big thing in UFO culture,

18:51 Speaker 6: and I think that a lot of people don't have

18:53 Speaker 6: a safe spacing come to and say these people are

18:56 Speaker 6: being on it. You know, they're not leading us towards

19:00 Speaker 6: half of it's going to create more confusion. I think

19:04 Speaker 6: overall of this, this whole organization is a really wonderful

19:09 Speaker 6: thing coming out into the community.

19:11 Speaker 3: Yeah.

19:11 Speaker 1: And I guess a question of mine would be, or

19:15 Speaker 1: you know, a question of mine if I was someone

19:17 Speaker 1: maybe watching and listening is how I mean, will cases

19:21 Speaker 1: be investigated like other organizations?

19:26 Speaker 3: And you know how will that work?

19:28 Speaker 2: Absolutely?

19:29 Speaker 7: They will be investigated. Whenever things will come in. When

19:34 Speaker 7: we get time, date, location, we can start running the

19:37 Speaker 7: checks automatically and call that information back to our report form,

19:42 Speaker 7: so we'll be able to tell if there was light

19:45 Speaker 7: numbers such and such in the sky that was actually

19:47 Speaker 7: flying from this part of the sky to that part

19:49 Speaker 7: of the sky. If there was a SpaceX launch, if

19:52 Speaker 7: there's anything that's prosaic that might explain it, we'll have

19:55 Speaker 7: that information at the forefront. Then the investigation really begins.

20:00 Speaker 7: So if we can identify it, then it does not

20:03 Speaker 7: need to be part of our unidentified data set, the

20:06 Speaker 7: ones that remain unexplained. I absolutely coming from a nursing background,

20:11 Speaker 7: I worked ICU forever ten years before I.

20:14 Speaker 2: Had my children that stay at home.

20:16 Speaker 7: But I understand the need for both sides of the

20:20 Speaker 7: investigation where we need to offer support and validation to

20:26 Speaker 7: the person coming forward, but we also need to have

20:28 Speaker 7: evidence to back up what they're saying. So I think

20:31 Speaker 7: it's very important that we get people out in the

20:33 Speaker 7: field to respond in person to these reporters and see

20:39 Speaker 7: if there's any evidence we can collect to back up

20:41 Speaker 7: what they're saying. And I said this before, I've had

20:45 Speaker 7: one encounter, and during my encounter, I had two of

20:49 Speaker 7: the most ridiculous things that I thought were out there

20:52 Speaker 7: that I had heard reported, and I said, yeah, that's

20:54 Speaker 7: kind of strange, that's exactly what happened to me.

20:58 Speaker 2: We're the two strangest things. That conscousness thing or is.

21:02 Speaker 7: That, you know, something that's been put into my mind

21:06 Speaker 7: too as a screen recording or something to make me

21:10 Speaker 7: see something ridiculous, Or did I just happen to encounter

21:15 Speaker 7: something ridiculous.

21:17 Speaker 2: We don't know.

21:18 Speaker 3: It's a very good question.

21:20 Speaker 7: Yes, we start getting all of that information together. Let's

21:24 Speaker 7: listen to the experiences. And on the backside of that,

21:27 Speaker 7: we have Seth Talk who has now joined our team

21:30 Speaker 7: and she'll be she's our director of connect She'll be

21:34 Speaker 7: running online communities to bring experiences together, to offer support

21:40 Speaker 7: for even family members. And some of the experience or

21:44 Speaker 7: communities will be closed to only people that have been

21:47 Speaker 7: screened before and have been allowed into it, just to

21:51 Speaker 7: protect their anonymity and give them free rein to speak.

21:55 Speaker 7: But there's so many different communities that we're looking at

21:58 Speaker 7: setting up. There might be one, you know, a book

22:01 Speaker 7: that people are reading through or you know, family.

22:06 Speaker 1: For yeah, or abductions, and maybe a safe space where

22:11 Speaker 1: they can talk about their encounters with others and not

22:15 Speaker 1: feel criticized or like, you know, ridiculed. I think that's

22:19 Speaker 1: such a brilliant idea that's it well, and there.

22:22 Speaker 7: You can even look on the other side where we

22:26 Speaker 7: can have things for free energy and military members that

22:31 Speaker 7: can come in.

22:33 Speaker 2: We're looking at different communities that.

22:36 Speaker 7: We can set up and offer to the whole UFO community,

22:41 Speaker 7: where we can bring people together and they can share

22:43 Speaker 7: ideas and help lead us forward in in what we're doing.

22:47 Speaker 3: Many think tanks. I like it. I like it.

22:50 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like the civilian sector of the of the

22:54 Speaker 1: UFO under belly world.

22:57 Speaker 3: That's really really cool. And you know, I think.

23:00 Speaker 1: Obviously a huge part of today's I don't know if

23:03 Speaker 1: you want to call it uphone narrative, but whistleblowers have

23:07 Speaker 1: been coming forward. Now, how would you approach a whistleblower?

23:13 Speaker 1: And can whistleblowers come to the Bureau and be protected

23:17 Speaker 1: and be anonymous?

23:19 Speaker 7: Absolutely, that's something that started forming. Actually before we had

23:24 Speaker 7: started to bring the Bureau back into standing, I had

23:27 Speaker 7: been approached by a gentleman online and he lived here

23:31 Speaker 7: in Oklahoma as well, and we started building an online

23:36 Speaker 7: relationship just speaking about some of the things that he

23:39 Speaker 7: had been doing where he was working, as some of

23:42 Speaker 7: the lectures he was giving, and we became very good friends.

23:46 Speaker 7: And whenever we decided to go ahead and restart the

23:50 Speaker 7: bureau with the blessing of Hayden's widow, she had given

23:53 Speaker 7: us all the archives and she said, yes, honey, go

23:55 Speaker 7: for it.

23:56 Speaker 2: Hayden would be so happy. So I started trying.

24:00 Speaker 7: To assemble my board of directors, and this gentleman was

24:03 Speaker 7: actually one of the first ones that I contacted and said,

24:06 Speaker 7: I've got to have you on the board because just

24:10 Speaker 7: his experience that he brings, his wisdom and guidance, he's

24:16 Speaker 7: top notch. And so he immediately said, yes, I'm absolutely

24:19 Speaker 7: with you, Mindy. And now I guess we're going to

24:23 Speaker 7: go ahead and be able to reveal who this is.

24:26 Speaker 7: But he is wanting to come forward with things that

24:30 Speaker 7: he encountered, things that he's coming forward with as far

24:33 Speaker 7: as reverse engineering that he saw during his time out

24:37 Speaker 7: at Cape Canapril. And this guy has the highest respect

24:42 Speaker 7: from me, and we had discussed ways that he could

24:45 Speaker 7: bring this information forward to the public and if he

24:49 Speaker 7: wanted to remain anonymous, but he said absolutely not. I

24:52 Speaker 7: think people need to know, they need to know my credentials,

24:56 Speaker 7: and they need to know my standing that I would

24:59 Speaker 7: not put any of that in jeopardy to reveal this

25:03 Speaker 7: information if it were not true. And so now that

25:07 Speaker 7: he is officially retired, he's going to be coming forward

25:10 Speaker 7: with that information.

25:11 Speaker 3: Now I've already sat down with this individual.

25:16 Speaker 1: I was lucky enough to obviously be contacted by you

25:19 Speaker 1: pretty early on in the process to do an in depth,

25:23 Speaker 1: in depth kind of conversation. And my god, this guy,

25:28 Speaker 1: he's got a credential like a resume.

25:30 Speaker 3: That reads kind of like a.

25:32 Speaker 1: Science fiction novel, and it's truly impressive. I want you

25:37 Speaker 1: to be able to introduce him. He's your friend, and

25:40 Speaker 1: you've been given the permission to say his name.

25:43 Speaker 7: Yes, absolutely, And we've been holding this back for a

25:46 Speaker 7: few months, I mean ever since the Bureau was relaunched,

25:49 Speaker 7: and we've been building up to this.

25:51 Speaker 2: So I'm so excited for the public.

25:54 Speaker 7: To meet my friend, doctor Gregory Rogers and all of

25:57 Speaker 7: his credentials, all that he has done for the American public,

26:02 Speaker 7: for NASA, for the Armed Services. He has been a

26:06 Speaker 7: teacher for the Armed Services, he was part of Joint Command,

26:10 Speaker 7: He oversaw some of the NASA launches and recovery, and

26:16 Speaker 7: was directly responsible for the astronauts there. So whenever he

26:20 Speaker 7: steps forward and says what he saw. It brings such

26:24 Speaker 7: huge credibility to it. There he is, I like how

26:27 Speaker 7: young he was.

26:29 Speaker 3: Nuclear submarine here.

26:33 Speaker 1: One of my favorite pictures that he did send over

26:35 Speaker 1: was the one in him and Buzz because he actually

26:38 Speaker 1: does have a book, Impact, which can be bought on Amazon,

26:43 Speaker 1: and it's actually really interesting because Doctor Rogers isn't UFOs

26:47 Speaker 1: aren't his life. He's also very a big proponent of

26:50 Speaker 1: astronauts safety. I really think that side of him is

26:53 Speaker 1: very fascinating.

26:54 Speaker 2: Absolutely, he brings so much.

26:57 Speaker 7: He was so worried about his reputation and people trying

27:01 Speaker 7: to tear it down, and I said, Greg, no one

27:04 Speaker 7: can tear down your reputation.

27:07 Speaker 3: You know.

27:08 Speaker 7: He's such a sweetheart, and he's very nervous about coming forward,

27:13 Speaker 7: but he feels like it's his duty. And he was

27:15 Speaker 7: actually pretty angry that this was rebuilt to him. He's

27:19 Speaker 7: still babbling with that all these years later, with why

27:22 Speaker 7: was I shown this? And why have I had to

27:24 Speaker 7: carry this burden of this knowledge for all of these years?

27:29 Speaker 7: And so that's something he's still trying to work through mentally,

27:32 Speaker 7: is that anger of being of having this information revealed

27:37 Speaker 7: to him back then?

27:38 Speaker 2: When he was just trying to act as a surgeon and.

27:43 Speaker 7: Oversee the health of all the crew, and here he

27:47 Speaker 7: comes face to face with some with something that he

27:50 Speaker 7: was never expecting.

27:51 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's truly, it's a wild, wild, wild story. And

27:59 Speaker 1: I know that either on May fourth or fifth, whichever

28:03 Speaker 1: comes first, whichever whichever happens first, our interview will go

28:10 Speaker 1: out either on May fourth or fifth.

28:13 Speaker 3: With doctor Rogers.

28:14 Speaker 1: We have a pretty good you know, if you want

28:16 Speaker 1: to get to know him on a deeper level, I

28:19 Speaker 1: go into not just his encounter but himself and his story.

28:23 Speaker 3: And he's such a brilliantly spoken.

28:26 Speaker 1: Person that it's hard to not you know, when these

28:28 Speaker 1: people do come forward, we have to be careful about

28:32 Speaker 1: how we react because when people react emotionally, you know,

28:36 Speaker 1: to these things, and they get upset, you know, it's

28:39 Speaker 1: just another story.

28:40 Speaker 3: It's just another person telling it to you.

28:42 Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's not every day that someone who's the

28:45 Speaker 1: chief of Medicine from NASA steps forward and tells you

28:49 Speaker 1: that something's there. So we have to give people the

28:54 Speaker 1: platform to be able to be comfortable and to tell their.

28:56 Speaker 2: Story absolutely well.

28:57 Speaker 7: And that's what we're trying to work out with the

29:00 Speaker 7: Bureau going forward. We've actually put together a whistleblower report

29:05 Speaker 7: form that can go along with some of the other

29:07 Speaker 7: report forms that we have already and line out things

29:11 Speaker 7: for people to do to protect themselves if they're worried

29:14 Speaker 7: about their safety or they're worried about their identity coming out.

29:18 Speaker 7: Everything obviously coming into the Bureau is restricted to just

29:22 Speaker 7: the highest need to know level, but even as far

29:25 Speaker 7: as reporting, people can come forward and report using a

29:28 Speaker 7: VPN and register a Google Voice number, or use a

29:33 Speaker 7: burner phone, pobox things to separate themselves from being able

29:38 Speaker 7: to be identified. If they're wanting to share information that

29:41 Speaker 7: they'd like to get out to the public, we can

29:44 Speaker 7: help get them that platform. If they want it to

29:47 Speaker 7: just be internal for the Bureau alone to know, we

29:51 Speaker 7: can keep it to ourselves and have it within that platform,

29:57 Speaker 7: or we can help kind of like we're doing with

29:59 Speaker 7: doctor Doors, pave a way forward to be able to

30:02 Speaker 7: release the information and a respectable and the best way possible,

30:08 Speaker 7: utilizing some of the people that we have within our

30:11 Speaker 7: network to handle it really at the at the highest

30:16 Speaker 7: level and with the most integrity that we can.

30:20 Speaker 1: Absolutely and what I really liked about you know, this

30:23 Speaker 1: whole thing was the fact that you know, you can

30:28 Speaker 1: choose to stay anonymous, or we have ways to get

30:33 Speaker 1: your story to the government into members of Congress, and

30:37 Speaker 1: if that's a route that you do want to take,

30:38 Speaker 1: then you know, there's ways that we can introduce legitimize

30:42 Speaker 1: what you're trying to do. So you know, we have

30:45 Speaker 1: the outlets and the mechanisms to make certain things available

30:50 Speaker 1: to people who may have been on the inside, who

30:53 Speaker 1: may be you.

30:53 Speaker 3: Know, nervous about coming forward. There are ways to do

30:56 Speaker 3: it safely.

30:57 Speaker 7: As same as possible. There's always coming forward, and that

31:03 Speaker 7: should obviously be first and foremost. We understand that that

31:06 Speaker 7: there is a risk and if one of the things

31:09 Speaker 7: we actually put in our whistleblower report form is if

31:12 Speaker 7: you feel like you are in imminent danger, contact the authorities.

31:16 Speaker 2: We are not the authorities.

31:18 Speaker 7: If they feel comfortable and they feel safe in bringing

31:21 Speaker 7: the information for we're a good platform for being able

31:24 Speaker 7: to do that, because we are already doing that with

31:27 Speaker 7: doctor Rogers, and we'll be able to repeat that same

31:31 Speaker 7: process in the future.

31:32 Speaker 2: So I hope that in.

31:33 Speaker 7: Somewhere that someone, if they do have information, they'll at

31:37 Speaker 7: least think of us and go, Okay, let me see

31:39 Speaker 7: if I can follow the same route as doctor Rogers,

31:42 Speaker 7: because he has really just stepped forward and really put

31:45 Speaker 7: himself out there. And you know, as we've been growing

31:49 Speaker 7: with the bureau and trying to fill out okay, what's

31:51 Speaker 7: the best possible way going forward, we now have a

31:53 Speaker 7: roadmap because of him.

31:55 Speaker 2: So I can't thank him enough.

31:56 Speaker 7: And I can't thank him enough for bringing the information

31:59 Speaker 7: to the public that he's.

32:00 Speaker 2: Going to be releasing here in a few short days,

32:02 Speaker 2: just a.

32:02 Speaker 3: Few short days.

32:05 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, Yeah, it's been hard sitting on it for sure.

32:08 Speaker 1: So Melissa, I want to kind of just round out

32:11 Speaker 1: here by asking what it's like to you know, how

32:13 Speaker 1: are you trying to reach an audience on uh, these

32:17 Speaker 1: platforms like TikTok that you know, guys like me, you know,

32:20 Speaker 1: maybe we don't understand as much as the long form content.

32:23 Speaker 1: You're very much, you know, out there, you know, putting

32:26 Speaker 1: the news out and you know you're working with certain

32:29 Speaker 1: outlets and stuff like that. So it's I mean, how

32:31 Speaker 1: are you how are you approaching.

32:32 Speaker 6: That being the social media manager on top of being

32:35 Speaker 6: a director. I'm not necessarily I mean, this is just

32:38 Speaker 6: we just started. So I'm mostly trying to get our

32:42 Speaker 6: the organization itself out to the public, which is TikTok

32:47 Speaker 6: and Facebook and Instagram right now. And I think that

32:49 Speaker 6: you have x and a couple other Reddit maybe, but

32:56 Speaker 6: it's it's it's right now more getting people just aware

33:00 Speaker 6: this that this company has rejuvenated, We're back, and to

33:05 Speaker 6: expect some things coming in the near future.

33:09 Speaker 3: Big.

33:11 Speaker 1: I mean, and obviously doctor Roger's story is is very big.

33:16 Speaker 1: But you know, in the meetings that we've had about

33:19 Speaker 1: you know, your research, I can tell people that not

33:22 Speaker 1: only is it interesting, but it's like mind like jarring,

33:29 Speaker 1: you know.

33:29 Speaker 6: This, Yeah, this new stuff it has I personally have

33:33 Speaker 6: not seen it in public eye anywhere yet. Maybe the

33:36 Speaker 6: military has access their hands of the stuff that is

33:39 Speaker 6: going to come out in that report, but at this

33:41 Speaker 6: point I haven't seen it.

33:43 Speaker 2: So I'm excited. I'm excited to.

33:44 Speaker 1: Get it out and it will it will resonate with

33:47 Speaker 1: with a lot of people in the UFO community, that's

33:49 Speaker 1: for sure. And I think you know what you what

33:51 Speaker 1: we're doing with the bureau mindy, I think you know.

33:54 Speaker 3: My hat's off to you.

33:55 Speaker 1: In such a short time, Uh, you you've put together

33:58 Speaker 1: such a wonderfully crafted team, team of people in the

34:01 Speaker 1: top of their their their field, you know, from the

34:04 Speaker 1: Navajo Nation and the Rangers to a really like, really driven,

34:09 Speaker 1: like powerhouse set of women running this organization, but also

34:15 Speaker 1: having people like me around to help out.

34:17 Speaker 7: Yeah, I wish I could take full credit for the

34:20 Speaker 7: amazing team, but it really has just kind of assembled

34:24 Speaker 7: itself and Tie.

34:25 Speaker 2: You are not like low on the You're one of

34:30 Speaker 2: my favorite people.

34:32 Speaker 7: And one of the things I love about the Bureau

34:34 Speaker 7: is we talk to each other every day. We're all

34:37 Speaker 7: actually friends and we actually say I love you and

34:42 Speaker 7: you know some well wishes, and we're involved in each

34:44 Speaker 7: other's lives. So it's not like we're just coworkers. We

34:48 Speaker 7: are friends and we have a common goal. One of

34:52 Speaker 7: the things that we really wanted to do with the

34:54 Speaker 7: Bureau was untie people. Let people really shine where they

35:00 Speaker 7: shine and what they know, and instead of trying to

35:05 Speaker 7: stifle what they're trying to do, let's prop them up,

35:08 Speaker 7: Let's give them resources, let's give them backing, and let

35:12 Speaker 7: them do it under the umbrella of the Bureau. So

35:14 Speaker 7: we have all these like you had mentioned with you

35:17 Speaker 7: know U APPD We have Maryann rob and we have

35:21 Speaker 7: the rangers doing everything with the indigenous communities, and we

35:26 Speaker 7: have so many wonderful talented people as the talk working

35:31 Speaker 7: with experiencers.

35:32 Speaker 2: These are the.

35:33 Speaker 7: Best of the best, and we're just you know, giving

35:37 Speaker 7: them a platform basically and letting people come together a

35:41 Speaker 7: network and you know.

35:43 Speaker 2: Support each other's work.

35:45 Speaker 7: And that's the beautiful thing of the Bureau is we

35:48 Speaker 7: haven't really had to do anything besides just support people

35:54 Speaker 7: and bring them together, and it has been amazing. I

35:57 Speaker 7: can't imagine where we're going to be next year by

36:00 Speaker 7: that time with how fast everything has really built up.

36:05 Speaker 7: I am just making protocols as quickly as possible and

36:09 Speaker 7: you know, get it run through four different levels of

36:13 Speaker 7: leadership so they can all look it over and improve

36:15 Speaker 7: it and make sure everything's lined out properly.

36:18 Speaker 2: But we are moving and shaking, and.

36:21 Speaker 7: Once we get that that database up and going, there's

36:24 Speaker 7: nothing to hold us back.

36:26 Speaker 1: Yeah, the the UFO community will enter a new age

36:29 Speaker 1: of reporting, research, analysis, and probably the most hopeful I've

36:33 Speaker 1: been in a long time for the future of you know, reporting,

36:37 Speaker 1: an analysis of the actual of the data, of trying

36:40 Speaker 1: to actually get answers and not just taking cases and

36:44 Speaker 1: just hide them behind a paywall.

36:47 Speaker 3: It's very frustrating.

36:48 Speaker 6: Yeah, I think to be part of the research we've

36:50 Speaker 6: talked about. It's that transparency is so important.

36:54 Speaker 7: Well, well, listen, kudos to you because what you're doing

36:58 Speaker 7: is such a big part of the puzzle. I've, you know,

37:02 Speaker 7: texted you the other day just thank you so much

37:04 Speaker 7: for all you're doing with social media. You are amazing

37:08 Speaker 7: with it and reaching out to the community. That's where

37:12 Speaker 7: that transparency comes from. That's where that community building comes from,

37:16 Speaker 7: is everything that you're doing with social media. And when

37:20 Speaker 7: people understand that you're not just a pretty face out there,

37:25 Speaker 7: you know, because you're gorgeous and so well spoken, you

37:28 Speaker 7: do social media so well.

37:30 Speaker 2: But here you are this brilliant researcher.

37:33 Speaker 7: I cannot wait for the community to get hit with

37:36 Speaker 7: everything that you put together because me and ty know,

37:40 Speaker 7: I know exactly you are bringing such understanding to and

37:47 Speaker 7: this is just off of two cases. Wait till we

37:49 Speaker 7: have two hundred cases, Wait till we have two thousand cases,

37:52 Speaker 7: Wait till it's two hundred thousand.

37:54 Speaker 2: It's incredible.

37:55 Speaker 7: You are such an integral part of what we're doing

37:57 Speaker 7: with the front end with talk with the community and

38:01 Speaker 7: the back end, with understanding the data.

38:04 Speaker 6: Humbled to be a part of this community and be

38:07 Speaker 6: a part of the people within it. I have never

38:10 Speaker 6: met a stronger, more compassionate group that all gets along.

38:16 Speaker 3: It's crazy when things work right, hyeh.

38:21 Speaker 1: And I do want to end tonight a lovely colleague

38:25 Speaker 1: of ours, Earl Gray Anderson, has passed away. It's the

38:30 Speaker 1: first time I've been able to talk about it. And

38:32 Speaker 1: I know, Mindy, I know you worked alongside Earl for

38:35 Speaker 1: a long time, and you know, for me, it's this

38:38 Speaker 1: has done really hard, and I just you know, I

38:43 Speaker 1: want people to know how much he meant to the

38:45 Speaker 1: community to research and his legacy of you know, doing

38:50 Speaker 1: it for the love.

38:51 Speaker 2: Of the game. Absolutely, he me and Earle were pretty

38:55 Speaker 2: dark good friends. I will say people saw.

38:59 Speaker 7: His people or so much, but in the background he

39:03 Speaker 7: was always such a champion for the experiences and protecting them,

39:07 Speaker 7: supporting them, sharing his own story so that people didn't

39:12 Speaker 7: fill alone. He had such an amazing way about him.

39:16 Speaker 7: And I'll tell you kind of a little quick story.

39:19 Speaker 7: The first time I had gone on stage, I was

39:22 Speaker 7: speaking at a symposium and I was so nervous, and

39:26 Speaker 7: I was sharing information about the Heartsorn case, which actually

39:30 Speaker 7: was part of the Bureau back in the sixties. And

39:33 Speaker 7: I ended up getting another case relating to Heartshorn a

39:36 Speaker 7: few years ago, and I got to present that a

39:39 Speaker 7: symposium and I was so nervous. Whenever I stepped off

39:43 Speaker 7: that stage. I sat there and talked with Earl. He

39:47 Speaker 7: ended up going on like my Facebook page and writing

39:49 Speaker 7: the most beautiful and profound review.

39:52 Speaker 2: I forget what ex that. He was like, Oh, you.

39:57 Speaker 7: Made the angels cry or something presented that like a

40:01 Speaker 7: hot run something or other. I said, Earl, that has

40:06 Speaker 7: got to be the coolest compliment I have ever received

40:09 Speaker 7: in my life.

40:11 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's Earl. That was Earl.

40:14 Speaker 1: And and you know, kind of an ironic you know

40:18 Speaker 1: this we talked in this field about like synchronicity, and

40:22 Speaker 1: you know, Melissa and I had what happened backstage, like

40:25 Speaker 1: before the show where.

40:27 Speaker 3: And so I won't get into that one. But unfortunately

40:31 Speaker 3: I got.

40:31 Speaker 1: The news about Earl, and you know, I just kind

40:35 Speaker 1: of put my head down and I kind of forget

40:39 Speaker 1: the pose that I was in. But I was in

40:41 Speaker 1: this room and the TV was on and all of

40:46 Speaker 1: a sudden, a contact in a desert commercial came on

40:51 Speaker 1: out of nowhere with his voice.

40:54 Speaker 3: He's in the commercial and he said something about it.

40:57 Speaker 1: You know how contact with the desert is a great thing, YadA, YadA.

41:01 Speaker 3: It was almost like this.

41:03 Speaker 1: It came to me in that way because you know,

41:06 Speaker 1: contlecent the desert, you don't expect to see a commercial

41:09 Speaker 1: for it. First off, they've never done the commercials and

41:12 Speaker 1: so this is the first year and it was on

41:14 Speaker 1: ABC News.

41:16 Speaker 2: It was like the most random.

41:18 Speaker 1: So I was like, if that's not synchronicity or like

41:23 Speaker 1: proof of concept for what we're all doing and what

41:25 Speaker 1: we're all like why we're also adamantly uh.

41:29 Speaker 3: Rigorous in our approach and wanting to know answers. That's it,

41:34 Speaker 3: those kind of moments where you just can't explain what's

41:37 Speaker 3: really happening.

41:38 Speaker 7: And that wasn't expecting anything less from Earl. Yeah, to

41:43 Speaker 7: his family and his.

41:45 Speaker 2: Beautiful life, and I know the whole community is.

41:48 Speaker 1: Morning absolutely absolutely, So I do want to say this,

41:53 Speaker 1: and like I said, my hat's off to both of

41:57 Speaker 1: you for what I've been able to watch you guys

42:00 Speaker 1: accomplished together with you know, with myself and with so

42:04 Speaker 1: many other great people in the bureau.

42:06 Speaker 3: We, like I said, we have.

42:07 Speaker 1: The interview coming, and I'm super tired about it. It's

42:12 Speaker 1: really going to be something that I think a lot

42:15 Speaker 1: of people will really look forward to, really enjoy. And

42:17 Speaker 1: I think this is just the beginning for doctor doctor Rogers, uh,

42:22 Speaker 1: you know, for Chief of Medicine for NASA, right. I

42:25 Speaker 1: think people are gonna be pounding down his door and

42:28 Speaker 1: the Bureau is gonna be right there next to him,

42:29 Speaker 1: supporting him every step of the way.

42:33 Speaker 3: So with that being said, the mission, the mission is

42:36 Speaker 3: a go.

42:37 Speaker 2: Absolutely can't wait, Ty.

42:39 Speaker 3: Can't wait.

42:40 Speaker 2: It's gonna be amazing.

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