PART 1-UNVEILING THE UNSEEN: REMOTE VIEWER JOSH MAITLAND SHARES ASTONISHING REMOTE VIEWING CASES

0:05 And this is this is something for anybody who's interested in getting into this.

0:08 If you are interested in remote viewing and interested in remote viewing weird stuff,

0:12 get get some practice before you do ufo wu wu stuff, or you're gonna

0:16 get some jump scares and and maybe some some hitchhiker stuff going on. Energetic

0:20 protection is important when you're doing this kind of stuff. When you're doing uh

0:25 so with remote viewing, time doesn't matter. Like you can you can remote

0:30 view Mars a million years ago. You can remote view million years from now

0:34 or a million years from now. You can you can remote view the magazine

0:38 that's coming out next month, which I did a few weeks ago. Uh

0:43 you know, time, time doesn't matter. Like spin off of Skinwalker Ranch.

0:47 So the episode with Chris Bloodsoe he was sinking had me sinking his own

0:51 brain into the data and Belton and he was calling in these orbs so and

0:57 it was the same same type of yeah, is the same type of thing

1:00 rights he was? It was almost like he was when he was channeling his

1:06 listening words because that order started coach appearing. His brain was in what what

1:11 you could only describe as career meditating. Is this place that I'm at as

1:17 unique at tent not not something that I'm going to be able to recreate,

1:22 like the feeling that like, no, these aren't the Egyptian Pyramids. It

1:25 wasn't the Great Pyramid or anything like that. I was. I was pretty

1:27 I knew it was some kind of different pyramid, but I guess I just

1:30 didn't have the vocabulary or the knowledge too. But when I when I connected

1:37 to that aspect of it, the tic tac itself, I didn't get that

1:41 there was anything alive, like no, no biologicals present within it. I

1:47 did get the sense that it was I think I think the wording I wrote

1:52 was that it was like an AI sentient drone. M all right, and

2:01 we're back to total disclosure of the podcast. Today. We're here with remote

2:07 viewer uh Intuition teacher musician Josh Maitland. I'm so happy to have you on.

2:15 Man, it's been it's been quite a time in the making, but

2:20 here we are here, we are ready to do it. Thank you for

2:23 having me. Dude. I apologize in advance. I got some some dogs

2:27 here that are we're barking in the background, but delivery or something. Yeah,

2:35 So trust me, we do I deal with that all time. Got

2:38 a dog on my own. Uh, he's just not here with me today.

2:43 So again I feel I feel the I feel the the bond. But

2:50 so you know what sparked my interest not just remote viewing from you, but

2:55 you took remote viewing and you kind of made it. Well, let's not

3:01 you don't do like your standard remote viewing. You've taken the process that the

3:08 government and other entities created and now you're doing somewhat of like what I think

3:15 you called it, like cowboy RV right, something to that effect. I'm

3:21 sorry if I'm butchering that, but can you explain first off, what remote

3:28 viewing is, second what and how you got into the process, and we'll

3:34 get into how how your your style is different. Yeah sure, yeah,

3:40 I mean, I mean Cowboy is actually its own, its own kind of

3:44 style of RV. A couple of my buddies actually invented the Cowboy method as

3:50 it's called. But yeah, we we'll get into that part later. So,

3:53 so, for those who don't know, remote viewing is a structured methodology

3:59 for acquiring non local information. So if and and sorry to go right into

4:06 quantum physics and stuff here right away, but you know that by nature information

4:15 you know, is we can entangle with it through certain faculties that that everybody

4:21 has. So your your intuitive operating system, I guess you could call it,

4:28 which consists of effectively the heart, the brain, and the gut,

4:33 which is why people say trust your gut right. And so remote viewing itself

4:40 is as you as you mentioned, it was developed with funding from the from

4:45 the US government at SRI International was the laboratory by help put off Russell Targans

4:55 Swan and and a whole bunch of others too. Effectively, the they just

5:00 they developed this method of tapping into both your your intuitive mind and your logical

5:10 mind at the same time and leveraging kind of one against the other to get

5:15 this non local information. Uh And and in any given remote viewing session,

5:20 you have a target, you're blind to that target. If you're not blind,

5:28 then then it's not considered remote viewing, just just in terms of the

5:32 protocol that that was developed by Ango and SRI. So remote viewing is actually

5:39 a very specific subset of psychic ability generally speaking. So but what being said,

5:46 but with that being said, it is a psychic ability, Yeah,

5:51 it's it's a it's a methodology for leveraging psychic abilities. So you know there's

5:59 there's channel laying and mediumship and all these other kinds of things that that are

6:02 out there too, and remote viewing. It kind of works on the same

6:06 operating system as all of these other types of psychic connection. But yeah,

6:14 the thing that's unique about it really is is the methodology, the process that

6:17 you go through. So it starts off you're given a blind target, and

6:24 once you have that blind target, it's you're given a number. Essentially the

6:28 number represents whatever your target happens to be. So for example, I actually

6:31 did a session the other day where my target was the cover of a magazine

6:36 that a buddy of mine works for, and I got all this stuff about

6:41 plant life and swamp lands and stuff, and it ended up being this this

6:47 flowers orchid flower. So oh no, yeah, that was just like a

6:54 fun session I was doing to kind of trip out my buddy and see if

6:58 I could if I could nail target. So I was like, yeah,

7:00 there's something about I think I wrote the word orchard whereas it's an orchid,

7:05 but I'm not right. But so that's yeah, but that's but it's up

7:12 to the And that's where I think what the government was doing is is I

7:19 mean not to say it's it's it's a I guess it's more it has more

7:26 validity to it, right than if you're if you weren't blind, or if

7:30 you you know, if yeah, because the because the person from what I

7:36 understand about remote viewing, is the person that's remote viewing, right, there's

7:42 also an observer or someone giving the target. Right, it's up to them

7:48 to decipher. Right, Like if you wrote or orchard and it's an orchid,

7:56 right, they would be able to put that together and be like,

7:58 Okay, there it is, right, Like that's their job. That's their

8:01 part. Your part is just what you did is give get all the information

8:07 onto this to the page. And then yeah, exactly, And and I

8:13 mean, I'm I'm just I'm just like my own guy. So I'm usually

8:16 tasking myself unless i'm jamming on a project with with somebody else, right,

8:20 for most for the most part, if i'm doing you know, little sessions

8:24 like this one just for fun and training kind of thing, I'm setting up

8:28 my own tasking. And and so you know, even even though I knew

8:33 I was so, I wasn't fully blind on this target because I knew I

8:37 was trying to remote view the cover of this magazine. But you know,

8:41 that's that's called that's what I call anyway, categorical front loading. So it's

8:46 like, you know, you're kind of it within some kind of ballpark.

8:48 So it's like saying, uh, the target is a location, you know,

8:52 yeah, exactly, Like it's I mean, the picture on the cover

8:56 of this magazine could have been literally anything, right, Like, yeah,

9:01 there's still an infinite, infinite possibility infinite you know, I mean, it

9:09 doesn't necessarily give you the answer. So I would say that that's you know,

9:13 i'd call it a success. I'd say that that would be successful.

9:18 And you know, I've even talked to you. We were talking about you

9:20 helping me with the movie that I'm making, and yeah, so I mean,

9:26 of course, like you're not going to be blind when doing so.

9:30 So you know, it'll it'll be up to the audience and up to the

9:33 people who are watching to kind of make that, you know, decision for

9:37 themselves if they believe or not. But remote viewing there is a reason the

9:45 government funded it, and there's a reason that the government most likely still operates

9:54 and funds it. So if we can go through a little bit of the

9:58 hiss you mentioned some of the bigger names of remote viewing, remote viewing.

10:05 Why did the government get involved? So, I mean this was back in

10:11 the Cold War era, right when it all started going down. So I

10:16 think I think it was the seventies that SRI really got going on developing the

10:20 program, and I think it ran from nineteen seventy two to nineteen ninety five

10:24 or ninety six, something like that. I am not the biggest remote viewing

10:30 history buff out there. I'm just more of a fan of using it any

10:35 playing with it. But yeah, so, I mean my understanding from talking

10:39 to people who know more about about the history is that, yeah, it

10:45 was it was a Cold War thing. The they American intelligence was under the

10:50 impression that Russian intelligence was developing a psychic spy program of their own, so,

10:56 you know, in Cold War fashion, they needed to develop something and

11:01 make sure that they weren't getting left in the dust. And I think they

11:05 did have a lot of success with that. You know, the program,

11:09 if you look through the Stargate archives and and all the stuff that was declassified

11:13 in the nineties, you know that they've got despite kind of the window dressing

11:18 that kind of says, oh, it wasn't very successful and that's why we

11:20 canceled it like that that that's not the case if you actually look at what's

11:26 there and you talk to some of the people who were involved, and you

11:30 know it's it was. It was very successful. You know, they had

11:33 something. And I'm quoting this from Joe mcmonagall or somebody. I can't remember

11:37 exactly, but I think they said it, Oh he's amazing, he's one

11:41 of the ogs, but he's the real deal. Oh totally. I actually

11:48 ran a target that about Mars that was very I think it was the same

11:54 tasking that he ran back in I want to say, the eighties or something

11:56 once. Yeah, it was. I didn't I didn't get anything. I

12:00 didn't get anything new or exciting beyond what others have gotten in the past.

12:05 And that was a day. I want to talk about that. But so

12:09 as you want to mention this, So the Stargate Project, this is from

12:13 the Wikipedia, so to take it obviously with a grain of salt. Everybody,

12:18 you know, Wikipedia's kind its isssues. So the Stargate Project was a

12:20 secret US Army unit established in seventy eight at Fort Mead, Maryland, so

12:26 literally right right by me. And it was by the DIA, which is

12:31 the Defense Intelligence AG Defense Intelligence Agency, and SRI International, which is a

12:39 California contractor for anyone doesn't know, so to investigate the potential psychic phenomena in

12:46 military and domestic intelligence applications. It ran until nineteen ninety one officially, but

12:54 again, a lot of people, a lot most people say that Avery Chris

13:00 in the Stargate project and that they brought it back online. Well, and

13:03 it never actually went away. I think what I think what happened is and

13:07 this is again just hearsay that that I've I've come across from various people that

13:15 are are kind of more involved and more in tune with with with the details.

13:20 But I mean there's definitely people who did contract work after that, like

13:26 into the two thousands, oh alut terrorism and things like that. So I

13:31 think I think rather than I mean, maybe maybe they do have a program,

13:35 but the name of the project, honestly, yeah, that's how you

13:39 do that. I think it's I think it's really there's no official sanctioning of

13:43 using psychics now, but I think, uh, and I freget where I

13:46 heard this one. But it's something to the effect that individual agents are able

13:52 to gather intelligence in ways that are beneficial to them, and if they're going

13:56 to use this kind of stuff, they're welcome to use it. But it's

14:00 not an officially sanctioned kind of thing. It's not done by you know,

14:03 government staff. I guess you would say it would it would all be done

14:07 through contractors. Presumably I have not done any government work. Let's so let's

14:16 talk about some of the So I mean, I mean, there's been so

14:22 many stories told like on like even when like Joe mc mcmonagall, I think

14:30 he was just on like Danny Jones or or uh the other one, Julian

14:35 Doria. I don't remember which one. I think it was Danny Jones though,

14:39 And I mean they told what they were talking about is a program that

14:45 almost had an it was like ninety nine percent of a success rate. So

14:50 I just don't and I was wrong. It ended actually in ninety five officially,

14:56 and they named it in ninety one our Gate Project. Yeah, so

15:01 there was a few different names. Yeah, there's grill Flam I think was

15:05 another one. Yeah, I mean, the as far as the success rate

15:09 like that that's what I was. That's why I initially brought up Joe.

15:13 I think I think it was him or or one of the other skip Atwater

15:18 or somebody who said that, you know, they had an eighty percent return

15:22 customer rate. So if you got eighty percent return return customer rate, like

15:26 you're doing something right. You don't, you don't get that kind of that

15:31 kind of and that doesn't mean that the hit rate is eighty percent. The

15:33 thing. The thing with remote viewing is like even the pros are are kind

15:37 of at least when it comes to sort of binary choice type yes or no

15:41 stuff, for example, gambling on sports and things like that, you know

15:46 you get you'll hit, Like say, if you if you're hitting sixty percent

15:50 consistently, you're doing good. And then for for targets where you're really just

15:52 trying to get data about something, you know, the eighty percent is reasonable.

15:58 I think for for people who are as in eighty percent of the data

16:03 you pull down. If you're good at this, it's going to be really

16:07 good. You know what, you just made a really good all right.

16:11 I hate to do this too, but I'm gonna, and I think it's

16:14 because you didn't take it I can take all kinds of things. If if

16:19 you brought up the lottery, if there was something to this legitimately, Again,

16:27 you know, I'm not I'm not here to decide if it's real or

16:32 not. I have my belief right, it's I always let the audience determine

16:38 what they believe. I'm here to just facilitate the question. Why isn't every

16:45 psychic rich you talked about sports gambling, gambling in general, Why isn't If

16:51 that's the case, why isn't every single person with these abilities winning jackpot lotteries.

16:59 Well, there's a few. There's a few theories on that, and

17:02 believe me, I have tried it myself. And and something something we all

17:07 run up against when we try to do the lottery is this weird phenomenon where

17:11 you know, say I'm doing a pick three and the winning numbers are three

17:15 four five, I'll get numbers. I'll get like three four six, or

17:21 I'll get like three three six, or it'll be it'll just be off by

17:25 one, or all of them will be off by exactly two, or some

17:30 you know, weird stuff like that where it's like, yeah, you're you're

17:33 on the right track, but no, you're not getting this money, like

17:34 it's so weird, and there's there's a lot of theories around that as to

17:38 whether so. Theory Number one is that you know, it's it's a limiting

17:42 belief on the part of the viewer, where you know, they just don't

17:47 believe that they can actually win the lottery, and for small amounts, Like

17:51 people have won small amounts all over the place. I know lots of them.

17:53 I've I've I've I've hit the pick pick three once or twice, usually

17:59 when I don't act buy a ticket, which which again goes back to this

18:03 weirdness, right, And I can I can send you some stuff. You

18:07 can flash it on the screen some of my hits where it's like my ticket

18:11 and then and then the winning numbers from that date I've recorded. At all

18:14 I've done, I've done, I get like one, I get two out

18:17 of three on the pick three more often than I don't. It's bizarre.

18:22 As far as bigger lotteries, Uh, it almost seems to be like an

18:26 aspect of fate, like if you're not if you're not meant to win millions

18:30 of dollars, you're probably not going to. And I think that may just

18:34 be like a life path kind of thing. Like like, for example,

18:41 one of my buddies, Das Smith, he's he's a great remote viewer and

18:45 like world class, and he he always says, you know, if I

18:48 if I won millions and millions of dollars, I'd never remote view again.

18:52 I'd just be off on a beach somewhere drinking margaritas or whatever. So you

18:56 know, maybe maybe he's meant for to do more than that. I suspect

19:00 he is. Could it be that that phenomena is not allowing it to be

19:11 to be done for selfish reasons? I mean, if we're going if we're

19:17 going down that line, we're crossing it anyway, so there's no you know

19:22 what I mean, if this is real, then you know what's to say?

19:26 What's what's uh? What makes sense or not right? Because I remo

19:34 viewings all one hundred percent legit, right, We're we're down the rabbit hole

19:38 at that point, and I think it is. I think it is legit.

19:42 I think there are people. I've had people like Kim Rhodes on the

19:45 show, you know, another psychic. I've interviewed mediums, psychics, and

19:52 I mean there's there's something there, I know it. I know there are

19:59 some maybe we should talk about that, like the implications, right, Like

20:03 so, so with remote viewing, time doesn't matter, like you can you

20:07 can remote view Mars a million years ago. You can remote view years now

20:12 or a million years from now. You can you can remote view the magazine

20:15 that's coming out next month, which I did a few weeks ago. Uh,

20:21 you know, time, time doesn't matter like it it we get.

20:26 This is what remote viewing is kind of done to me, is it's forced

20:29 me to sort of look down other rabbit holes about you know, some of

20:33 this some of the really deep spiritual concepts and stuff like this idea that there

20:38 is no time, there is only the eternal now, which is this ever

20:44 unfolding fractal hologram or whatever, or you know, the kind of similar idea

20:49 of unity consciousness, that that everything you know is connected. And I and

20:55 I you know, when when you look at how remote viewing works, and

21:00 and I mean I believe it works. Again, I'm not. I'm not

21:03 trying to convince anybody either. It's really the best way to fit to uh

21:07 convince yourself one way or the other is to try it. And I would

21:11 recommend to anybody, you know, if you're if you're skeptical, give it

21:15 a go and then and then see where you land. Yeah, yeah,

21:21 institute you can go to and learn. Yeah, and I've done I've done

21:25 a lot of the Monroe meditations. They're great. Like it the Monroe meditations

21:30 kind of center around by neural beats, and like, I'm a record producer,

21:34 I know lots of lots of lots of tricks about audio. Yeah,

21:38 so so HEMI sinking is is really just taking a dominant frequency on one side

21:47 of the stereo spectrum and another one on the other side and shifting them by

21:51 a certain number of hurts, which is the metalment for frequency. So so

21:56 say I've got a hundred hurts over here and a hundred and six hurts over

22:00 here, my brain is going to correct that difference and synchronized to a six

22:07 hurts, which is a theta brainwave state, which is super effective. And

22:14 because remote viewing and psychic stuff all seems to work in those those sort of

22:19 lower bandwidth or rather lower frequency brainwave states. So the states are delta,

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24:08 All right, we're back, we're back, so thank you. So

24:14 what we were getting into is, jeez, god, I lost my train

24:19 of thought, deep deep esoteric meanings. HEMI thinking, yeah, hemy thinking

24:26 for the hurts. Yeah. So there's there's there's some there's some research out

24:32 there about this in student noetic sciences has done a lot of interesting stuff,

24:37 and of course Monroe, as you mentioned, but yeah, I mean I

24:44 saw this thing a little while back where you know that TV psychic Tyler Henry.

24:49 I think, yes, he's everywhere lately. He crushes it, man,

24:55 he's he's I'm pretty sure. But I watched I watched to show with

25:00 him and Steve O from Jackass, and they actually did a they did a

25:06 brain wave measurement both on Tyler and Steve O on the show while he was

25:12 doing the reading. And what they found was that when Tyler was doing the

25:17 reading, he was down in the delta range, which is about four four

25:21 to eight hurts I think, and then he was he was kind of spiking

25:26 in delta and Theta, which is these lower these lower brainwave states where you're

25:30 you know, most people, if you're if you're sinking yourself to delta,

25:34 you're going to fall asleep. Like it's theta theta, the one above.

25:38 Delta is sort of where you're at when you're when you're in a deep transcendental

25:44 meditation. So delta is even lower. That's that's like deep sleep level.

25:48 And if I'm not mistaken, if you remember on see the show it's the

25:56 spinoff of Skinwalker Ranch. So the episode with Chris Bledsoe, he was sinking

26:02 HEMI sinking his own brain into the data and delta and he was calling in

26:07 these orbs. So and it was the same same type of Yeah, it

26:11 was the same type of thing where he was he was it was almost like

26:17 he was when he was channeling these this these orbs. Because then orbs started

26:22 appearing. His brain was in what what you could only describe as a like

26:30 a career meditator. Yeah, like his brain was so delta de yeah,

26:40 so low you and you you understand that a little bit better than I do.

26:45 But exactly what you're saying, so, so not only does it see

26:49 that we can see things past or in the eternal now whatever that is,

26:56 but we could also use it to connect with the phenomenon. Yeah, I

27:07 could see that. I mean like I've had. I've had a few experiences

27:11 with orbs and things. I don't think orbs are craft necessarily, At least

27:18 the ones I've encountered have felt more like almost spirit entities probably than than anything

27:26 that's particularly alien, I guess, to use that word i've had. I've

27:30 heard from other people that think that they're like portals, you know, And

27:34 and I've seen some pictures of orbs where you see see little faces in them

27:40 and stuff like almost like it's like a looking glass, like to another dimension

27:45 and something's checking you out. I mean, anytime I have seen orbs,

27:49 though, I have been likely in a state that is either delta theta kind

27:56 of thing, because the times that it's happened, the first one was before

28:00 I knew anything about about remote viewing or psychic stuff. But I've been a

28:04 musician since I was a kid, and the first time I encountered orbes was

28:10 when I was out in the woods for a week recording music with my band.

28:14 We were doing like a solar powered recording recording session on an island somewhere,

28:18 and and we'd actually written this song that we dedicated to the spirit of

28:23 the lake, which we called Bill Tilden because it was Tilden Lake and like

28:29 the family, the family whose cottage it was like they you know, they

28:33 they're like, yeah, we Bill Tilden, He's the spirit of the lake.

28:36 It's all right. Cool. So so we wrote this song about about

28:38 this, about Bill Tilden and and nature and yeah it was it was just

28:44 called the Ballad of Bill Tilden. But this is this is a crazy story.

28:48 So we we we ended up recording this song all day long and and

28:52 as we were getting into it, there was this thunderstorm just on the off

28:56 on the other side of the lake and uh like deep black clouds, crazy

29:00 lightning everything. But but we were recording on solar power, so if that

29:04 had come over us, we would have been toast right, but it didn't.

29:08 It just kind of held off on this other side of the lake and

29:11 and blasted away as we were as we were recording. So we ended up

29:15 finishing the song, and you know, there was some other weird stuff,

29:19 like we didn't have any lyrics, so one guy just went off in the

29:22 woods, came back with like fully written lyrics, just kind of sat on

29:26 a stump somewhere and it came to him, I guess, and then he

29:30 handed those lyrics off to me, and without ever having seen the lyrics,

29:34 I just put it up in front of myself, stood in front of the

29:37 mic, and sang the song and we I think we can. It just

29:41 came out just it was good from just it was a channeled thing. And

29:45 again before I knew anything about channeling. But at this point, I'm pretty

29:51 certain that any any songwriting processes is channeling. Uh and and really process.

29:57 Yeah, like it's every every good, every five minutes. Right, how

30:02 many how many geniuses? This goes for musicians, this goes for let's just

30:07 say, geniuses in any field. How many times have they said they're they're

30:11 channeling it from somewhere else. It's not that it's almost coming through them,

30:17 it's it's from something else. I literally came up with the through you of

30:26 relativity by doing thought experiments. You had no lab Yeah, that's true.

30:33 Yeah, it's looking crazy that a man was able to put himself in a

30:40 man was able to envision himself at the near the speed of light, right,

30:47 just just traveling through the universe. What does that sound like you?

30:49 To you? That sounds like astro projection, right, that's exactly what non

30:56 local, non local, non physical experience. Yeah, that's uh. And

31:00 and yeah, like Einstein, I've seen some good quotes from him about like

31:04 he's he's in he was into all this stuff, like he was he was

31:07 a believer in the non physical. And I mean he basically helped invent the

31:12 current understanding of quantum physics, right, like right, he's he was deeply

31:18 involved in that. And and yeah, no, no question there. I

31:23 mean just just back just the back to that story though, fish, No,

31:30 no, there was there was more. So we channeled this song,

31:33 we went to we went to we went to, uh play it back.

31:37 It's like, oh, that was a good take, that that one shot

31:40 that I did. Let's let's give it a listen. And as soon as

31:42 I said that, all the lights went out and we were out of power.

31:45 The storm had moved over. It was over top of us now,

31:48 so it was like, okay, well we got battery back up. Let's

31:52 save this thing and shut it down and call it a day. So we

31:55 did. I stuck around for a few more minutes after the other guys kind

32:00 of gone up to the bunkies to sleep, which is about kind of you

32:04 know, three three hundred meters away maybe from the main cabin. And after

32:08 I got everything shut down, I went outside and it was absolute pitch blackness,

32:13 like northern Ontario darkness, like not a star nothing. You couldn't see

32:19 your hand in front of it. So I was like, okay, well,

32:22 I guess I got to find my way to the bunkie in the dark,

32:24 cause I didn't have a flashlight or anything. I didn't I didn't even

32:28 have a cell phone back when this happened. It was so long ago,

32:31 but so I just started kind of wandering and I saw these little little blue

32:36 lights and I was like, oh, they put some they put some trail

32:38 lights in. Okay, well that's that's handy. So I followed the blue

32:42 lights and made my way to the bunkie and my buddy Colin was there,

32:45 and I said, hey, man, when'd you put those lights in?

32:50 And he said, we don't have any lights. So I was like,

32:52 okay, well that's kind of weird. Oh wow, you didn't think much

32:57 of it. So I just went to bed right and and you know,

33:00 the storm had kind of subsided, but there's just all the clouds, and

33:04 maybe an hour or two later we wake up to this like level rain on

33:09 the steel roof of the bunkie and and I sit bolt upright. The song

33:15 from earlier in that day is playing in my head. I hear it clearly,

33:19 and I say, hey, Colin, do you hear the song in

33:22 your head right now? And He's like yep. So that was kind of

33:24 weird. So like and I was just like, we gotta go outside.

33:27 I just just felt really compelled to go outside. So we did, and

33:30 and we we looked out into the darkness of the woods, and you know,

33:35 the rain was coming down, the thunder was was crashing, and you

33:39 know, I'm seeing all these little blue lights again like in the in the

33:43 forest, just kind of blinking in and out of existence, little orbs.

33:46 And so we start we were listening to this song in our head, and

33:52 we're hearing this thunder and seeing the lightning, and we realized that the lightning

33:58 is crashing in the same like tempo as the song. And it was a

34:02 weird song. It was like seven eleven or eight eleven time. It was

34:06 weird kind of prog rock song. So we're tapping away and and like whenever

34:10 the one comes around, boom lightning for like forty five minutes. It was

34:15 crazy, and we weren't on drugs like we like we smoked weed and stuff,

34:20 but like that day we were working, so we weren't. We weren't

34:22 doing anything like that. So, yeah, just just too wild night.

34:28 You didn't have a camera. Yeah, yeah, it uh. Although we

34:31 would hear the music, yeah, true, overlay it and be like,

34:37 dude, it's doing it to the same tempo. Yeah. So that that

34:40 was my first experience with orbs and and and I think it really was in

34:46 part that we had like kind of made this offering to the spirit of the

34:51 place, and at the time it really felt like it was like a nature

34:54 spirit kind of experience, like not any kind of alien UFO stuff. And

35:00 I've I've since tried, and this is now maybe two years ago. I've

35:06 attempted CE five and stuff like that, and I've gotten I've gotten orbs.

35:08 I've I've I had an ORB show up in my room at three am and

35:13 I tried. Yeah, it was it was trippy. It was a little

35:15 orange one. I woke up bolt upright three am and it's like just hovering

35:21 and it kind of went by my head and out the window and sort of

35:23 disappeared as as uh as I was watching it, and it was I was

35:29 just like whoa, And it was an orb orange dispersion blur. No,

35:36 it was it was like this orange orb and it it sort of faded out

35:39 as it went past my head and out the window, and and and so

35:44 and it came it came back I think maybe the next night or two nights

35:47 later. And again like this was this was a time I wasn't doing a

35:52 ton of music, but I was doing tons of remote viewing, lots of

35:55 Monroe meditations like Gateway stuff. So I was I was getting myself into those

36:00 deep data and delta states on the regular. And I think that's I think

36:05 that's where you gotta be. You got to be in that kind of liminal

36:07 state to see some of this stuff. And and uh, I do think

36:12 it is a largely consciousness based phenomena, at least almost. I mean,

36:17 I think everything is consciousness personally. That's that's sort of where my journey has

36:21 led me. The I forget what the name for that belief system is.

36:25 It's like, oh, it's got a there's a whole, there's a there's

36:30 a term for it. But it's escaping me anyway. It doesn't matter labels.

36:34 Yea, I know it is. Yeah, yeah, it's uh,

36:38 it'll it'll come back to because I believe I believe in something similar and yeah,

36:44 yeah, it's it's the unity, the unity consciousness thing, right.

36:45 So yeah, I mean look at look at what we just you know,

36:51 I mean look at look at our universe, look at our like with the

36:57 like some of the pictures that the web's getting. Yeah, and then you

37:01 so you look at the universe on a on a macro scale, and then

37:06 you look at the universe on a micro scale, and you know what it

37:08 will correlation. Yeah, they look the same. So it's like, is

37:15 everything like and we just proved that that trees, plants, they talk to

37:22 each other. Mm hm. So so how how how does that happen?

37:28 How does that happen in a world? Well, you know how it happens.

37:31 Everything is entangled, that's how it happens. Yeah, And that's because

37:37 I think because you know, it's entangled because it is just one thing.

37:40 Fundamentally, it's having different experience consciousness. Yeah, it's it's one consciousness having

37:47 an infinite number of experiences. So like you know, this this pen has

37:52 consciousness. Like I've I've gone and meditated on rocks and been like, Okay,

37:55 like, what does what's this rock feel like? What does it feel

37:59 like to be a rock? Yeah? And and and and then suddenly I

38:01 just feel this like emotional energetic thing where like everything slows down and it's it's

38:07 a really unique kind of kind of experience. But and and so I mean

38:10 I I project, I project into animals and stuff, like like I saw

38:15 bat one time when I was walking on the trail, and I was like,

38:19 Oh, what would be like to be that bat? And I started

38:21 to you know, I was That's the other thing. If you're going on

38:24 walks regularly, that's a great psychic exercise because you're the locomotion and the exercise

38:30 are gonna are going to put you into at least an alpha, if not

38:34 theta as you're going and you're gonna you're gonna be receptive to stuff. But

38:38 walking meditations are great, highly recommend so walking meditation being that because for me,

38:46 it's it's very hard to quiet my brain. So if I was walking,

38:52 how would I meditate at the same time. Well, I I tend

38:57 to I tend to think that the truditional advice of meditation to quiet your brain

39:05 and shut things out. I think that's bullshit personally. Please, what we'll

39:10 get we'll get controversial here. But what remote viewing is is like an active

39:16 meditation, Like it's the the whole process relies on working with your thoughts and

39:24 impressions, and the tricky bit is separating the noise and the signal. So

39:32 for with remote viewing specifically, you're going after a target, right like you're

39:36 going after specific information about a specific thing that's correlated to your target reference number

39:42 or whatever at the start of your your remote viewing process. And with a

39:46 with a walking meditation, you can kind of do that same sort of active

39:50 meditation like you're as as you're walking, you just you let the thoughts flow

39:54 through. It's it's not such a matter if you want to stop them.

39:58 It's you want to acknowledge them and let them move on, which which I

40:00 think the more seasoned meditators would would kind of tell you. But in remote

40:06 viewing, what you're doing is actually writing down all those impressions, but you're

40:09 trying to categorize them. So you're so say you get a see, you

40:13 get an image. We'll use the flower again as as an example. You

40:16 know, I get, I get this feeling of like actually, the thing

40:21 that came up first for me in that session was a place called flower Pot

40:24 Island. That was the very first impression impression I had on that session.

40:30 And flower Pot Island is an island in the county where this orchid was found.

40:35 Uh. And it has to do with flowers. So that this is

40:38 it like that your your subconscious will throw you these thoughts, but your your

40:44 your goal is remote viewer is to decode what the subconscious is giving you.

40:49 And and there's different ways to do that. So, like in stage stage

40:52 one of remote viewing, you're drawing a little videogram. It's almost like an

40:54 automatic drawing that do too really just to connect to the tar. It's like

41:00 your it's like your dial up to the to the cosmic internet. I sometimes

41:05 explain it as and uh and and so after that ideogram, you kind of

41:08 just you kind of just probe the ideogram and you and you kind of sit

41:12 and you wait, and you observe your own thoughts and you see what comes

41:15 up. And and so generally those first few things that come up that bubble

41:21 up from your subconscious are going to have some usually strong correlation to what your

41:27 actual target is, especially if you can do your initial thoughts are important.

41:31 It is, it's important to grab that initial thought and if it, if

41:35 it comes through as something you can name, you're supposed to write that off

41:38 to the side because often it's not going to be right on. So so

41:43 example, flower pot island, that's not that's not what the target was.

41:46 But but you had a lot of elements of the target contained within that idea.

41:52 So what you're then supposed to do after the ideogram is to go to

41:58 your senses. It's like, what do I see? What colors do I

42:00 see? That's usually what I start with because I'm I'm kind of a visual

42:04 guy. And uh, and then I'll go to audio, like what do

42:07 I hear? And then and you just you jot down those sounds and colors

42:10 and smells, tastes. I was motions are are a big one too.

42:16 I was gonna say, would it be uncommon for you to have smelled flowers?

42:24 Uh? I did not actually cue myself on that target to do the

42:29 smell step. So if you're if you're doing I should have I probably should

42:35 have. It wouldn't be calm, it wouldn't be uncommon if if you're following

42:38 proper structure, like the way it was designed by s R. I,

42:43 you're supposed to go through all the senses, and I I, you know,

42:46 this was just a funsie session, so I was I was a bit

42:51 jamming, you know. Yeah, And uh, and I didn't bother with

42:54 smell. I probably should have because I probably would have gotten flower smells or

42:59 something. I did. I did get like the sense of like wet earth

43:02 and and you know these growing a swamps, So maybe maybe it's a good

43:06 thing I didn't do smells, but I would get swamp smells instead of instead

43:10 of flowers. But it's yeah, so it's uh, you go through your

43:16 sensory stuff and then you kind of you kind of draw Stage three is drawing

43:22 kind of the the key elements that you've kind of pulled out, so so

43:25 as you're doing these sensory stuff, so like maybe I would get I got

43:30 I got agriculture. I got this feeling of like agricultural plant life something.

43:36 So I just wrote that down as as as a thing. And then you

43:40 know, on other sessions, you you would kind of go Once you do

43:45 your stage three, then then you kind of figure out Okay, this has

43:51 three different core elements to it. One of them is plant life. One

43:55 of them is like a location that feels like, you know, maybe a

43:59 forest, and then the other the other element is that there's life, uh

44:04 and and the life ended up just being Often it's it's kind of funny when

44:07 I'm doing a target that's a photograph, I'll get a sense of like a

44:09 person, but the person doesn't actually show up in the feedback. So typically

44:15 I attribute that to the photographer. Because if I'm doing a target that's a

44:20 photo, what what I believe you're doing? And there's debate about this and

44:23 really no way to prove it, at least not yet. A lot of

44:27 people think that you are actually going out of the body to to the target

44:31 and picking up that information. The other the other way of looking at that

44:36 is you're going within yourself, and because you know within you the universe is

44:42 folded, you're you're projecting inwards to that element of yourself that is the target

44:47 because everything is everything else, unity, consciousness, all that stuff. Sorry,

44:53 I lost my train of thought a little bit there. We were talking

45:00 consciousness. Yeah, yeah, So in the context of remote viewing, Okay,

45:07 you pick you pick up all kinds of different stuff, and those initial

45:09 impressions are important, and and the whole process is really just uh, it's

45:15 like a puzzle that you're trying to put together. You know, your your

45:20 initial ideogram is like a ZIP file of the target that you've downloaded, and

45:24 the whole remote viewing session is like just pulling files out of that zip and

45:30 and piecing them together into a cohesive image. That's a good visualization, by

45:37 the way. You should if you ever need to visualize, use that,

45:39 because that was really good. I think I used that one in my while.

45:44 And then you're pulling what you need out of it. Yeah, yeah,

45:49 And you do that. You do that by just letting those impressions come

45:52 to you and by queuing yourself. It's all it's and this is this goes

45:54 for all forms of magic. It's it's it's attention plus intention. It's what

46:00 you focus on and what your intention is with what you're focusing on. So

46:02 if you're focusing within and you're focusing on all, right, I want my

46:07 subconscious to go to the target and get target information. I want my subconscious

46:13 to move fifty feet above the target and look down. I want my subconscious

46:16 to tell me what I smell at this target. So you cue yourself with

46:21 these little these little triggers, and that's that's how you end up getting good

46:24 data. Is is that that's kind of what separates the good remote viewers from

46:29 from the not as good remote viewers is the people who really know how to

46:32 cue their stuff and get their subconscious, you know, to dance around the

46:39 target and find all the different bits and pieces. So, okay, so

46:45 the the the the let's let's call this the government. We'll call it the

46:52 government process. Sure, so you just kind of went through the government process,

46:57 right now, How does that differ from what you guys are doing or

47:02 with what your friends invented with cowboys? How is how is it different than

47:08 the not like the the the SRI program, the Monroe stuff. Yeah,

47:15 so it's the difference is there's no prescribed structure. It's it's it's just freestyle

47:22 psychic psychic connection, which is, you know what a lot of psychics do.

47:27 Like I see psychics as as very similar to musicians in the sense that

47:32 every psychic, every remote viewer, has their own kind of style, just

47:36 like every bass player or guitar player or whatever. Right, or singer.

47:38 You know, you've got your own artistic style, You've got your own preferences.

47:42 You know what works for you. You you know, maybe you prefer

47:45 jazz versus versus hip hop or something like that. Right, Psychic stuff is

47:51 very similar. Like the corollaries between music and psychic ability are like I just

47:57 did a whole show on that the other day with somebody, so I could

48:00 talk about that for way too long. But yeah, the the gist of

48:06 Cowboy is like it's you just kind of connect to the target and you let

48:10 those impressions come through and you trust them. The thing is to do a

48:15 cowboy session, You're not going to do very well if you haven't done the

48:20 you know, the the structured remote viewing a bunch because the structure exists for

48:27 a reason. They develop that structure because it works, and they used it

48:31 for many years because it works, and it's it's incredibly useful for training your

48:37 your intuition. I consider remote viewing to almost be like a gym for intuition.

48:45 You follow that structure and you work on your ability to parse this data

48:52 from you know, what's just crap that I'm projecting onto the target from my

48:55 own inner stuff, and what's the actual target because because it's all it's all

49:00 interpreted by your subconscious mind, it's right, you know it's And again this

49:07 goes back to that idea that you know each psychic is is you know,

49:09 has their own style like a musician, because we all know different stuff,

49:14 we've all learned different things, we've all had different experiences in life, and

49:19 when you are pulling in this psychic information, it's you're filtering it through your

49:23 own lens and and the stuff that you're going to jot down is going to

49:28 be unique to you. So if you've got three remote viewers running the same

49:31 target, they're all going to interpret it differently. And there's some weird stuff

49:35 that happens with groups actually, where often when you have a group of say

49:40 three people doing a single target, each of those three people is going to

49:45 get like three different elements and then when you put them together, that's when

49:49 you get the whole picture. So there's some weird stuff that happens when you

49:52 when you work with other people too, but it's it's kind of more effective

49:55 that way. That was actually one of my questions is can a group of

50:01 remote viewers work together? And let's say, let's say I I want to

50:07 use your example earlier of Mars. What did you see? Eventually I want

50:13 to get there, but start. Can remote viewers work together, Yeah,

50:19 totally. There's there's lots of groups that work together on targets. There's there's

50:24 one really cool one called the Future Forecasting Group. I just I just did

50:29 a show with them a couple of days ago. There their world class like

50:32 they do like news predictions and crypto and all. Yeah, and they're pretty

50:38 good, like they're they they nail it, like, they get a lot

50:42 of correct results, a lot of hits. But I mean even back in

50:46 the Stargate program, like they they had a team of remote viewers and and

50:52 the team would work on I mean sometimes you know, you do solo targets,

50:55 but I think they work together a lot too, certainly on operational targets

50:59 as they're called. And uh, I mean I mostly do solo stuff just

51:04 because I don't know a lot of viewers. I know, I know a

51:07 lot of them online. But there was a lot of speculation, and I'm

51:12 just gonna throw this story in here. There was a lot of speculation that

51:16 they use remote viewing to find osamav in laden mhm. I mean a lot

51:22 you could do that. I don't see. There's a reason, yeah,

51:27 a lot of speculation about it that it was done. It was done as

51:35 like a last ditch effort almost they but we won't. I don't want to

51:39 talk about that. You you talked about how you remote viewed Mars. Yeah,

51:47 and you have a similar target to what Joe mcmonagall did. Can you

51:52 explain that whole thing? Because I'm super fascinated with Mars. Yeah, he

51:59 did. He did this back in the eighties or something where he remote viewed

52:02 Mars and uh got you know, these beings and and this civilization. It

52:08 was like I think it was the Sidonia region of Mars specifically exactly. Yeah,

52:13 and and you know there's pyramids and stuff. And I got all I

52:17 got kind of all the same stuff and and and again, what did it

52:21 look like? Did it looks it's not red? Well, the the the

52:29 uh the impression that I got and wrote down was Sedona Arizona, which rhymes

52:36 with Sidonia, and and it was and there's the redness and and I did

52:40 I did get like not like red red, but like kind of kind of

52:45 again like Arizona desert kind of kind of yeah, yeah, it wasn't.

52:52 It wasn't like pure red. I don't know if I have the session handy,

52:55 I probably don't, but it's uh, just again this is from memory,

53:00 but I I, uh, I did get didn't get a being.

53:02 I did see this. Uh it almost looked like a gray but it was

53:07 more white skinned and the eyes weren't like the black eyes. It was like

53:13 more human like eyes, and and I kind of got the feeling that it

53:15 was kind of aware that I was looking at it, not not in like

53:21 a spooky weird way or anything, just kind of like, oh, hey,

53:22 what's going on? And and like check this out because there was something

53:27 going on at the site that was like, again I didn't have a great

53:30 breakthrough on this, but there was this feeling of like watching this like once

53:36 in a lifetime occurrence or something. And you know, it was like there

53:39 was like a big light over top of a pyramid which I which I drew,

53:45 and again like I had no idea what I was actually looking at at

53:49 this time. I thought I was still like in in Arizona somewhere or or

53:53 not. I didn't think that was there, but that was that was the

53:55 feeling. It wasn't to me. I wasn't like, oh, I'm I'm

53:59 in space, I'm in I'm on Mars right now. Like it didn't feel

54:01 anything completely out of the ordinary, other than the fact that it was like

54:07 this feeling of like, Wow, this is really unique. This this place

54:10 that I'm at is unique and and not not something that I'm going to be

54:15 able to recreate, you know, elsewhere or otherwise with you know, I

54:21 can't go to Mars a million years ago physically, so maybe that's all it

54:24 was. But yeah, it was it was an interesting target, and yeah,

54:29 the Pyramids stuff came through pretty clearly. I did get like the feeling

54:34 that like, no, these aren't like the Egyptian Pyramids. It wasn't the

54:37 Great Pyramid anything like that. I was. I was pretty I knew it

54:40 was some kind of different pyramid, but I guess I just didn't have the

54:45 vocabulary or the knowledge to break through on that one and be like, oh,

54:50 yeah, it's Mars because I didn't even realize I was doing like a

54:52 woo woo outer space target. I just it was just something I pulled out

54:57 of my my blind target pool that I had set up myself. And I

55:01 do have some weird ones in there because I like checking that kind of stuff

55:04 out because it's interesting. But yeah, I had a much better session on

55:07 the tic TAC than I did on Mars. Yeah, well it's the one

55:12 to wrap up on. Was your session with the tic Tac, because not

55:16 only is it so spot on, but I have a close relationship with Kevin

55:24 Day, PJ. Hughes uh In, a couple other guys from the Nimets.

55:30 All right, I don't have it handy, I'm gonna do it in

55:34 editing. Yeah, sure, actually start So why why did was was the

55:39 Nimets part of this blind pool you set up for yourself? Yeah? Yeah,

55:45 so the the there's a I have a few kind of classic cases in

55:49 there. Not all of them have come up yet. I've done the Phoenix

55:54 Lights too, I had. That was another interesting one that I was tasked

55:58 on. I was tasked on that one probably too early in my remote viewing

56:02 career. And this is this is something for anybody who's interested in getting into

56:06 this. If you are interested in remote viewing and interested in remote viewing weird

56:10 stuff, get get some practice before you do ufo wo wu stuff, or

56:17 you're gonna get some jump scares and maybe some some hitchhiker stuff going on.

56:22 Energetic protection is important when you're doing this kind of stuff, when you're doing

56:27 uh, targets that are potentially unsafe in the sense of unsafe in the sense

56:34 that it's like you don't know what it is, or it could be weird

56:37 stuff, or it could be scary stuff that you're there. Yeah, yeah,

56:43 you know, I'm good with it. Like I grew up in a

56:47 house on a street that was haunted as hell, and like I had ghosts

56:53 jumping out at me in the middle of the night when I was a kid

56:55 all the time. My brother did too. We slept in the basement and

57:00 our street was had a church on it, which in Canada means it was

57:05 stolen a bigenous land. And there's probably some restless spirits under that under the

57:10 ground there where we were sleeping that wanted to mess with us or were mad

57:15 or whatever. But you know, I've had lots of stuff like that in

57:19 my history, and so I was I was open to that kind of stuff

57:22 and it didn't really freak me out that much. But if you're if you're

57:25 coming in fresh to this, like do basic targets like photo targets like predict

57:31 the news for your local paper, you know, stuff like that like that

57:36 that is kind of repeatable. Don't jump into Phoenix lights, No, don't

57:42 dive into the WU right away. Okay, lesson like that. It's like,

57:47 so, the analogy I would use is like, you're not going to

57:51 try and bench press three hundred pounds your first day in the gym, right,

57:54 You're gonna You're gonna work your way up to that kind of visualization again.

58:00 Yeah, great us, Yes, with the tack, I got all

58:02 that kind of fun stuff next and next set and secret and segment and sett