TOTAL DISCLOSURE PODCAST LIVE: Featuring SAL AMATO
Sal Amato—a storyteller, media pioneer, actor, producer, novelist, and one of the rare people whose career has spanned the worlds of entertainment, technology, broadcasting, and digital media for nearly five decades.From appearing in films and television shows like My Best Friend's Wedding, While You Were Sleeping, Chicago Fire, and The Big Leap, to becoming one of the earliest innovators in internet radio and streaming technology, Sal has consistently been ahead of the curve.A graduate of the Midwestern School of Broadcasting and one of the youngest performers ever accepted into The Second City, Sal has built a career around understanding people, culture, media, and the hidden forces that shape how we think.Today, he's bringing those experiences into the world of fiction with his novel Hidden Powers: Disclosure From Within—a story that explores influence, power, perception, and the unseen systems operating behind the curtain of modern society.Whether he's producing media, preserving history, writing stories, or challenging conventional narratives, Sal has spent a lifetime asking questions most people never think to ask.
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Speaker 1: Oh boy, does that intro get me fired up every
Speaker 1: single time? Awesome? I love it. Guys. We're here tonight
Speaker 1: for Total Disclosure Live, and Tonight's guest is Sal Almato.
Speaker 1: He is a storyteller, a media pioneer, an actor, a producer, novelist,
Speaker 1: and one of the rare people whose career has sped
Speaker 1: and the worlds of entertainment, technology, broadcasting, and digital media
Speaker 1: for nearly five decades. And from appearing in films and
Speaker 1: television shows like My Best Friend's Wedding While You Were
Speaker 1: Sleeping Chicago Fire the Big Leap to becoming one of
Speaker 1: the earliest innovators in internet, radio and streaming technology, Sal
Speaker 1: has consistently ahead of the curve. You could argue that
Speaker 1: what we're doing here originated with what they did in
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety seven, so today he's bringing those experiences into
Speaker 1: the world of fiction with his novels. It empowers disclosure
Speaker 1: from within a story that explores influence, power, perception, the
Speaker 1: unseen systems operating behind the curtain of modern society. Almost
Speaker 1: like the Wizard of Oz, you peak behind the curtain
Speaker 1: and it's not what you thought. Whether he's producing media
Speaker 1: or preserving history, writing stories, or challenging conventional narratives. Salah
Speaker 1: spent a lifetime asking questions that most of us never
Speaker 1: really think to ask. Please welcome my friend sal Almato
Speaker 1: two total disclosure, MH sad.
Speaker 2: Of course, I feel.
Speaker 1: I want you to feel important than you.
Speaker 2: I appreciate that.
Speaker 1: That's the whole thing, right right. Obviously, you know there's
Speaker 1: a lot going on right now in the world of disclosure.
Speaker 1: We'll get to all that, of course, but can you
Speaker 1: give the audience a little bit of a brief background,
Speaker 1: you know, I know I did the intro and plutched
Speaker 1: on a few things, but a little bit of a
Speaker 1: background on just you know, what your expertise is in
Speaker 1: and how you made your way into the field of
Speaker 1: the unknown.
Speaker 2: Well, I was always curious about and writing was always
Speaker 2: something that was in me, even in grammar school, and
Speaker 2: a teacher would say, okay, we want you know, you
Speaker 2: got to do me one page on Australia, and I'd
Speaker 2: give her forty five pages on Australia. Because you know,
Speaker 2: once you're you know, the creative side kicks in and
Speaker 2: you start writing. You start writing, you keep writing, and
Speaker 2: you keep writing. And by the time I got into
Speaker 2: high school, one of the high schools I went to
Speaker 2: five and it got thrown out of I think three,
Speaker 2: not because I was a bad kid, because I questioned
Speaker 2: the idiots that were in charge of educating us, and
Speaker 2: majority of them they were all making money. I don't
Speaker 2: know how or why, but anyways, my drama teacher nineteen
Speaker 2: eighty two, the only guy was at Whitney Young High
Speaker 2: School in Chicago, Missus Carter, one of the few teachers
Speaker 2: who really cared about us. She was a wonderful soul.
Speaker 2: She had said, Hey, you want you look like a hoodlum.
Speaker 2: They're casting for a movie. You should go audition for it,
Speaker 2: you know. And I had already my mom had My
Speaker 2: mom did jingles, so I had already. Yeah. Could you
Speaker 2: imagine a teacher singing that to a kid today? Oh
Speaker 2: my god. The families were going nuts, Oh my, you
Speaker 2: offended my son. Here we're looking and go yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: I look like yeah. I had like a mustache by
Speaker 2: the time I was in fifth grade. By the time
Speaker 2: I was twelve, the period was coming in. So junior
Speaker 2: junior year in high school, I had a full beard,
Speaker 2: mustache and I was DJing, working night clubs. I looked
Speaker 2: like I was thirty. Nobody knew I was sixteen, So
Speaker 2: I went and auditioned. It was the Getty's Agency. I
Speaker 2: went auditioned for Bad Boys. It was a movie with
Speaker 2: Sean penn Essige Morale, Clancy Brown, Jim Moody, Deeen Fortunado,
Speaker 2: a bunch of other actors who came out of Ali.
Speaker 2: Sheedy and I got real close with Sean when we
Speaker 2: were shooting, including Jason Gadriick. Jason's from here in Chicago,
Speaker 2: and Jason moved to the West Coast. You know. The
Speaker 2: story was that Sean said, you know, look, you guys
Speaker 2: should move to California. You'll get more work. And I
Speaker 2: was like, I'm doing good here, man. Thanks well. Jason
Speaker 2: took him up and moved to California within the year,
Speaker 2: and Jason had a pretty decent career out there in Hollywood.
Speaker 2: So from that, I got into radio, get in the broadcasting,
Speaker 2: kept acting, was doing commercials, It was doing radio mixes
Speaker 2: on radio shows, still DJ and my clubs, you know,
Speaker 2: not really getting successful in anything, but being there and
Speaker 2: gathering like a sponge knowledge and knowledge, and got into
Speaker 2: the record industry, record business, and got into the internet.
Speaker 2: Actually by eighty eight, I was online, starting to understand
Speaker 2: technology and how it worked, still writing, still acting through
Speaker 2: all of this, you know, having having the tentacles and
Speaker 2: everything you can because you got to keep the balls
Speaker 2: in the air. You never know what one's going to hit.
Speaker 2: And in the nineties I was a knee deep in technology.
Speaker 2: Want to or with Mark Cuban and lost oh Man,
Speaker 2: good for him, and you know, still trying, still going,
Speaker 2: still trying to, you know, still trying to say. You know,
Speaker 2: you set these goals for yourself, and I'm never happy
Speaker 2: I have ye to me. I feel like I haven't
Speaker 2: gotten where I want to go yet. I haven't gotten
Speaker 2: to that point yet. Beau, you did this, I said, yeah,
Speaker 2: but I didn't get I don't have any satisfaction. It
Speaker 2: looks great for other people, but for me from for
Speaker 2: the way I operate, I'm not happy with any of it.
Speaker 2: I haven't gotten where I want, where I want to go,
Speaker 2: or where I want to be. So I started writing
Speaker 2: again deeply. In twenty twenty four twenty twenty five, wrote
Speaker 2: a show called Baker's and the Birds that's an animated
Speaker 2: that's going to a vertical drama network. Wrote a show
Speaker 2: called The outfit found out that got stolen wound up
Speaker 2: on a network, so I'm reproducing it the way it
Speaker 2: was originally written, and that's going to a vertical drama
Speaker 2: network that's called Joe Caroselli, and it's about a mob
Speaker 2: boss who did twenty years and jail, gets out of jail,
Speaker 2: and he's very bitter, very angry because all the politicians
Speaker 2: that he helped along the way have all had a
Speaker 2: wonderful life. They're getting close to retirement. He's coming out
Speaker 2: of the joint. He's got nothing, so he's in his
Speaker 2: mind they're going to collect. He's going to collect. And
Speaker 2: in the middle of all that, I was writing researching
Speaker 2: hidden Powers, disclosure from within, and that was always my
Speaker 2: baby in my head since I was a kid. You know,
Speaker 2: you're a little younger, mean, But years ago there was
Speaker 2: a movie called Chariots of the Gods.
Speaker 1: Was fine, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Right, the book that became a movie, yeah yeah, And
Speaker 2: I was intrigued. Not only that, but you know, just
Speaker 2: Close Encounters was an amazing story. Contact is one of
Speaker 2: those movies that's still holds up. The scene with Jody
Speaker 2: Foster and her father. I get a tear in my
Speaker 2: eye just think you know, because that's what you hope
Speaker 2: is there, you know. I mean, you know, we were
Speaker 2: talking only about questions and people watching they're curious. I
Speaker 2: just like everybody, I have questions. I'm curious. I have
Speaker 2: a real soft spot about certain things and movies like that.
Speaker 2: You know. Independent State to me was like a bad comedy.
Speaker 2: I mean, it was laugh funny, and I love I
Speaker 2: love Jeff Goldblum. There's nothing to go even and thank
Speaker 2: god it's Friday. He was the best part of the movie.
Speaker 1: I'm actually a huge l Smith fan. I know that's unpopular,
Speaker 1: but he's a great actor.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he does good work. He can't take that away
Speaker 2: from it. I don't have to hump his leg or
Speaker 2: wash right.
Speaker 1: He just has a crazy wife. That's like, yeah, well,
Speaker 1: who knows his son's friends.
Speaker 2: I mean we you know, again, we don't know anything
Speaker 2: about these people. They're all marketed, but I don't know
Speaker 2: that yet. I I know you do good work. Okay,
Speaker 2: that's where it ends, you know, in my life. You know,
Speaker 2: if I never saw another Will Smith movie or another
Speaker 2: Kerry Grant movie, my life will be fine, you know,
Speaker 2: I'll be Okay. These are things that are necessity in
Speaker 2: my life. However, I have myre achievements. I don't worship
Speaker 2: people buy a myre achievements one.
Speaker 1: Of the I'm sorry to interject here, but if I
Speaker 1: feel like, if I don't say it now, I'll probably
Speaker 1: forget it because we're going to get into some deep stuff.
Speaker 1: But isn't it weird? You know our ancestors, and like
Speaker 1: I said, this is a very fitting It's not just
Speaker 1: an out of left field question you're but isn't it fitting?
Speaker 1: Weirdly odd that, like so our ancient cultures are our
Speaker 1: ancestors all the way up through you know, nineteen twenties,
Speaker 1: nineteen thirties, I think was the first. Nineteen thirties I
Speaker 1: think was the first real celebrity someone who transcended. I
Speaker 1: forget what his name is, but he's a musician. You
Speaker 1: ended up going missing actually a in a weird plane
Speaker 1: thing during World War Two. But he But we now
Speaker 1: put actors and actresses, we elevate them to the level
Speaker 1: that our ancestors, like spoke about the gods. Like when
Speaker 1: Justin Bieber walks into a place, like there's people that
Speaker 1: are literally fainting, fainting, well, you know that would happen
Speaker 1: when the pharaohs would walk through Egypt, and you know,
Speaker 1: and and it just it's crazy to me to think
Speaker 1: that that's where our that's where we've gone.
Speaker 2: But think about one that Look you look, if you
Speaker 2: go back into the twenties, right, the silent Stars, silent
Speaker 2: movie films. You got Betty Graybow and you got all
Speaker 2: the stars of Hollywood. And then Sinatra comes along and
Speaker 2: bing crossby the Bobby socks ers in the four you know,
Speaker 2: and they're fainting. Elvis comes along, Jack Barry comes along,
Speaker 2: Bobby Dare you know all these people are all just fainting.
Speaker 2: And and David Casson think about that in the seventies,
Speaker 2: David Cassidy, his fan club is bigger than the Beatles,
Speaker 2: you know. And and when you look back at so people,
Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe it's just a human trait that
Speaker 2: people become enamored with the idea of somebody they know
Speaker 2: nothing about because they're merely entertained by that person.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: And okay, you know, like I tell everybody, that's not me.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't put catch up on my hot dog.
Speaker 2: My best friend does. I'm not gonna hate him for it.
Speaker 2: You know, It's okay, it's just not me. Man. I
Speaker 2: don't get it. I did I you know, especially in
Speaker 2: this industry when I've worked alongside you know, big name
Speaker 2: directors and producers, and I mean even when I was
Speaker 2: djaying to share a good story with you. Walter Pate,
Speaker 2: Walter was a wonderful guy. Walter was such a trip
Speaker 2: and uh here in Chicago, Walter Payton running back for
Speaker 2: the Bears. He also owned a bunch of nightclubs out
Speaker 2: in the northwest suburbs of the city. And I was
Speaker 2: DJing and a club called Safari Club. Walter would come
Speaker 2: in and he said, Man, you got you gotta come
Speaker 2: work for me. Come on by, come work by mean.
Speaker 2: I said, no, Then you guys play way too much
Speaker 2: white music. I was really deep in the house. You know,
Speaker 2: this is the eighties early house and the w bmx
Speaker 2: A right here in Chicago with the Hopis five, the
Speaker 2: HAP mixes that were scary. You know New York. They
Speaker 2: had bls in New York and then they had U
Speaker 2: in Boston. You know, he had some of the greatest
Speaker 2: record guys in the world come out of Boston. Joey Carvello, Uh,
Speaker 2: John Luongo, another phenomenal producer Gary kamand yeah, I mean,
Speaker 2: these guys are all icons in the industry. A lot
Speaker 2: of great people came out of your Neckati Woods too
Speaker 2: in Boston. But here in Chicago, I had, you know,
Speaker 2: you hit, all these celebrities coming in. And then when
Speaker 2: I became a stockbroker, I had Scottie Pippen, bj Armstrong
Speaker 2: or as Grant. They were clients, other people that were clients,
Speaker 2: and I would talk to them just like I would
Speaker 2: talk like Bob Bust. They want my friends, because the
Speaker 2: last thing anybody and the last thing I ever want
Speaker 2: to do, is worship somebody. And it's It's just like
Speaker 2: when I meet somebody, we can either talk like we've
Speaker 2: known each other for thirty years or we can act
Speaker 2: like strangers and just sit real refined with our hands
Speaker 2: folded and scared to death to say anything that might
Speaker 2: be untoured. I was, you know, I'll joke around, and
Speaker 2: even when I work on Chicago Fire, I would bus
Speaker 2: Taylor can these balls? He bust my balls? And then
Speaker 2: you know you'd hear him when you're blocking out a shot,
Speaker 2: you're hearing laughing their ass off while they're getting ready
Speaker 2: to block the shot. You hear them. You know because
Speaker 2: we're miked up and I'm like, did you swear that lineup?
Speaker 2: You're a real asshole, aren't you. You know, we're just
Speaker 2: bullshit with each other because at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: you're just another person. You may. You know, there's things
Speaker 2: that you know, everybody's really good at something, and everybody's
Speaker 2: really stupid. I don't care who they are, you know,
Speaker 2: I guarantee you Albert Einstein could not figure out how
Speaker 2: to transfer three quarter and thumatic tape to to a
Speaker 2: video file, but he can do a hell of a
Speaker 2: lot of shit that I probably could never imagine. So
Speaker 2: everybody's good fun. So everybody's good at something, and there's
Speaker 2: a lot of things I'm really stupid at and that's
Speaker 2: you know, I don't have a monopoly on that, neither
Speaker 2: is anybody else.
Speaker 1: Right, No, absolutely, And that's a very that was very
Speaker 1: well put. You've spent you spent decades in broadcasting and entertainment,
Speaker 1: technology and digital media today, you know what you're looking
Speaker 1: at the UFO topic, and what do you think the
Speaker 1: biggest mistake people make when trying to separate genuine information
Speaker 1: from manipulation or you know, narrative control.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know. I don't know if you can
Speaker 2: call it a mistake type because people are so used
Speaker 2: to being bullshitted and lied to, right, so you get
Speaker 2: that fatigue factor, people just go okay, another one, Ah, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know. It's like you know, the boy who cried
Speaker 2: wolf over and over and a lot of that could
Speaker 2: you know, could be the manipulation that's planted to get
Speaker 2: to the fatigue factor because you can hide the truth
Speaker 2: and play in sight. I mean, I have the hope
Speaker 2: and the belief just just based on all the bullshitting
Speaker 2: the lines we've seen for two thousand years as a human.
Speaker 2: Governments lie, people lie. There's crackbox, there's lunatics in these
Speaker 2: crazy bastards that make up these insane stories about uap UFO.
Speaker 2: They don't help the cause, they don't help get us
Speaker 2: any closer to the truth because those are the people
Speaker 2: that those who don't want it to be true, or
Speaker 2: the naysayers, they will focus on those lunatics says that
Speaker 2: person was nuts, that was it was swamp gas or something.
Speaker 2: There's genuinely shit out there people have experienced that they
Speaker 2: can't explain. They weren't on DMT, they weren't smoking weed.
Speaker 2: They weren't popping pills, they weren't fling ascid. They were
Speaker 2: just calling about their damn day and some shit happened
Speaker 2: to them that they can't answer. So you can't just
Speaker 2: negate that because you don't want it to be you know,
Speaker 2: I go back to the story of fifty two when
Speaker 2: you know, for two weekends in July there's UFOs all
Speaker 2: over the place and you see tens of thousands of
Speaker 2: people see this ship. The media reports it, the government
Speaker 2: comes back and this is what it was. This is
Speaker 2: what you will print. Okay, both we'll do that, and
Speaker 2: then it's calm. Nobody wants a question that the media
Speaker 2: in what ian.
Speaker 1: Because they want to retain their their their their relationship
Speaker 1: with the White House so that they continue.
Speaker 2: Absolutely power power. It's about power, and you got to
Speaker 2: have access to that power. I don't know how important
Speaker 2: it is they have access to power. That's lying to
Speaker 2: you though, you know what I mean, what do you Okay,
Speaker 2: So you're gonna use me like some pawn. I'm your bitch,
Speaker 2: and you're gonna puke out bullshit to me so I
Speaker 2: can go tell other people bullshit so you can look
Speaker 2: good and it can all be wrong to. I mean,
Speaker 2: we don't know what to believe, we don't know what
Speaker 2: to trust, we don't know who to believe. And everybody
Speaker 2: needs a point of reference in their life to be
Speaker 2: to just say, Okay, that's the direction I should go.
Speaker 2: But people become fanatical. Once it become fanatical, they look
Speaker 2: for people of like minds who share the same ideology
Speaker 2: due to the conditioning that they've had, and then they
Speaker 2: form a bond with each other. You know, just like
Speaker 2: you got Yankees fans and Red Sox fans, comes in
Speaker 2: socks fans. They could both suck ass, but somebody they're
Speaker 2: still going to worship them. They're still going to be
Speaker 2: that's my team, that's my team. And you ask them,
Speaker 2: why is it your team?
Speaker 1: What you know?
Speaker 2: And this is what happens is that they you know,
Speaker 2: especially with the whole UFOL and the conspiracy, all those
Speaker 2: other shits, they get you to root for a team
Speaker 2: that isn't necessarily yours man, because you don't really know
Speaker 2: the truth. There's a lot of manipulation going on. So
Speaker 2: all of that is in my head when I'm writing
Speaker 2: the story. All the friction of the people of regular
Speaker 2: people of military, of religious leaders, the media, and these
Speaker 2: groups of people who all shape how and what we
Speaker 2: think at any give in the moment that the mind
Speaker 2: is the easiest thing to own, and people don't realize
Speaker 2: the powers that are out there trying to control what
Speaker 2: we think. Yeah, it's not by by uh, you know,
Speaker 2: by accident. That everything is so polarized because there is
Speaker 2: a lot of power trying to control it's it's it's
Speaker 2: monopoly on that power.
Speaker 1: Absolutely.
Speaker 2: Do you think that's how I mean, That's how I
Speaker 2: approach writing the book anyways, that's my belief, my thought.
Speaker 2: People may not think that that's fine, but that's how
Speaker 2: I wrote the book.
Speaker 1: Right, and that's fair. So you've seen how narratives are
Speaker 1: built from the inside. Do you think that the UFO
Speaker 1: conversation is being maybe guided organically or are there Do
Speaker 1: you think there are groups actively steering public perception?
Speaker 2: I think it. I think it's a it's a crapshoop, brother.
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of all of that happening on.
Speaker 2: And I say this to anybody that Napaolina Luna got
Speaker 2: the biggest balls and everybody of anybody in DC because
Speaker 2: she is you know, she's consistently trying she's doing what
Speaker 2: she can to at least get to the truth. That's
Speaker 2: all you want, is the truth. Why would you want
Speaker 2: to base your entire life in existence on a frigging lie.
Speaker 2: Get to the truth so we can move forward and
Speaker 2: make shit better. That's it. That's all you ask for,
Speaker 2: if it's what all you want for your girlfriend, your husband,
Speaker 2: your wife, your kids. Get the truth so I know
Speaker 2: which way to go to make my life better. And
Speaker 2: we can never seem to get to that.
Speaker 1: And it drives me nuts, right, And it's almost like this,
Speaker 1: it's almost like kind of being robbed of because when
Speaker 1: when I stand and this is obviously going to be
Speaker 1: kind of like like cliche, but when I stand on
Speaker 1: the mountaintop and I look out into the horizon, right,
Speaker 1: no one's there with me, and I'm asking myself, what's
Speaker 1: my place in the cosmos? Right? What's my place in
Speaker 1: the universe? What am I here for? To not know
Speaker 1: or to have it been taken? That information taken and
Speaker 1: compartmentalized and hidden away. That affects the way now I know,
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe this isn't a good analogy, but you know,
Speaker 1: this is one of the few subjects that affects every
Speaker 1: single person, no matter what, whether you're rich, poor, you're gay,
Speaker 1: you're you're straight, you're black, you're white, you're Jewish, you're Christian, like,
Speaker 1: it affects everybody the same. So what it really comes
Speaker 1: down to is when you're standing on that mountaintop asking yourself,
Speaker 1: you know, what is my purpose to not have the
Speaker 1: full equation right to know that we're part of something bigger,
Speaker 1: much bigger? I think is a is a crime, that's
Speaker 1: a crime against humanity. And then that's my personal opinion.
Speaker 2: And and here's the other side of the coin where
Speaker 2: you know what you know? Because I look at both
Speaker 2: sides of the coin here with the government and try
Speaker 2: and what if there is no purpose? See, you gotta
Speaker 2: be honest, you can't both. The worst thing you can
Speaker 2: do in your life is bullshit yourself.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: So I look at and go, okay, what is it?
Speaker 2: Record like you I should anything? What What the hell
Speaker 2: am I supposed to do? Here? What it? Or is it? Just?
Speaker 2: Look here? You are good luck. I'll see on the
Speaker 2: other side, get done what you can get done? Or
Speaker 2: you know, is the disclosure thing really so bad that
Speaker 2: it would freak the ship out of people? I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I really don't know that. I don't
Speaker 2: think you can stop. What's that you know what's about
Speaker 2: to happen if it comes out, if it ever comes out.
Speaker 2: But like I said, good or bad, you gotta be honest,
Speaker 2: it could be really bad too. What if we are
Speaker 2: just a bunch of slaves to something, If we were
Speaker 2: just dumped here and we're all part of it, and
Speaker 2: there's a hierarchy, even the slave, even the slaves, even
Speaker 2: those who own us and control us and manipulate us
Speaker 2: our slaves as well, and there's a hierarchy to them.
Speaker 2: I don't know. These are questions. I don't have any answers.
Speaker 2: You don't, None of us have any of these answers.
Speaker 2: It would help if we knew that. Maybe it might
Speaker 2: not help if we knew, because then when we just
Speaker 2: all jump off a bridge and end it, who knows.
Speaker 1: Well that that's an interesting thing. It's an interesting idea.
Speaker 1: Because so I had Rizwan Verk in studio, and I'm
Speaker 1: not sure if you're familiar with you riswan is, but
Speaker 1: he's one of the leading guys right now in simulation
Speaker 1: theory or the simulation hypothesis. And I sat here and
Speaker 1: I asked him and point blank because it really like
Speaker 1: like kind of like what you just said. I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: if if we are in some sort of simulation, right,
Speaker 1: my bills still are coming, do my I still need food,
Speaker 1: The food still tastes, steaks still tastes like steak. What
Speaker 1: does it actually change? All we would know is the
Speaker 1: information that this reality is rendered, you know, And the
Speaker 1: closest analogy would be like a computer rendering out because
Speaker 1: I don't think that it's that simple. I think it's
Speaker 1: much more complex than that if it is a simulation.
Speaker 1: But again, it doesn't it doesn't fundamentally change my life
Speaker 1: so much that I would just jump off a bridge.
Speaker 1: Now do you see what I'm saying?
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean, you know, like I said, it
Speaker 2: could go either way. I think we're always better with
Speaker 2: the truth. I really do. I think, because look, some
Speaker 2: people might not handle it. That's up to them, man,
Speaker 2: that's up the people. You know, that's up to people.
Speaker 2: You got to deal with shit in your life, whether
Speaker 2: you like it or not. Not everybody can deal with it,
Speaker 2: but you can't right now, you know, I quite where
Speaker 2: we're at in life to a pressure cooker. There's so
Speaker 2: much pressure building right now, somehow, some way it's got
Speaker 2: to be let loose or else it's just gonna explode.
Speaker 1: It's gonna explode. That's catastrophic disclosure.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. And in a lot of this, you know,
Speaker 2: again people pick sides. Whether I don't care what country
Speaker 2: they're in. There you don't know how much you're being manipulated. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, we've we come to we've gotten a point
Speaker 2: now we're idiots are bad and cessantly about shit they
Speaker 2: don't know, and they're regarded as my guy. And you've
Speaker 2: got people who have done, who have I don't even
Speaker 2: necessarily have to like them, but they've achieved phenomenal things
Speaker 2: that are amazing in what their achievement is, and they're
Speaker 2: being ship upon. It's so backwards and so screwed up.
Speaker 2: And that is through the power of media marketing and
Speaker 2: those powers that are fighting to own the minds. And
Speaker 2: when I wrote Hidden Powers Disclosure from within, a lot
Speaker 2: of that goes into that where you know, eventually people
Speaker 2: figure it out that you know, some people figure out
Speaker 2: that okay and being manipulated, and there's other people who
Speaker 2: figure out who refuse to believe it. Like today, you
Speaker 2: can show them something and they won't believe it. They
Speaker 2: just just like again, we go back to a Comes
Speaker 2: fans oxygen. It Comes could be in the World Series
Speaker 2: up for three games to none, and a Socks fan
Speaker 2: will still look at the Cubs fan and say, oh,
Speaker 2: the Cubs still suck. They suck. Well, the Cubs are
Speaker 2: in the World Series. Bro. If the Socks make the
Speaker 2: World Series and there are not three games and none
Speaker 2: and the Cubs aren't in the series, of course, and
Speaker 2: it comes from that, says the White Sox suck, Well,
Speaker 2: how do you say that they're in the World Series?
Speaker 2: They suck. It's like you're arguing with an idiot. You're
Speaker 2: having an idiot's argument. It's just fanaticism. They're fananticism, and
Speaker 2: they become tribal and they height hang with each other
Speaker 2: because ideologically you're never going to get them to change
Speaker 2: their minds. And what people don't realize is that this
Speaker 2: is your life, man. They ain't a game anymore. This
Speaker 2: ain't no football game, no no Australian football, no baseball.
Speaker 2: It's your life man. That's your kids, that's your family,
Speaker 2: and you're picking side for people you don't necessarily know.
Speaker 1: Sad that's not good point. That is a good point.
Speaker 1: And oh man, that's a good point. Well. With that
Speaker 1: being with with that being said, do you if a
Speaker 1: genuine non human intelligence disclosure event happened, say tomorrow, do
Speaker 1: you think that the public would recognize it or would
Speaker 1: it be buried under you know, misinformation competing narratives And
Speaker 1: that's that that bullshit factor you're talking about people just
Speaker 1: being like, Okay, I don't I just don't believe it.
Speaker 2: It was Well, there's gonna be people who don't. They
Speaker 2: may believe that. They don't want to, they don't want
Speaker 2: to go along with it. There may be you know,
Speaker 2: the way I wrote it is the way I wrote
Speaker 2: It's interesting. It was an interesting way. But do I
Speaker 2: think people will accept it? I think if it's done
Speaker 2: on a huge, massive, large scale where there is no look,
Speaker 2: what was it, Snowden, how much shit did that guy disclose?
Speaker 2: Or what was the other guy? All this shit was disclosed.
Speaker 2: This isn't fantasy that these guys dumped and wiki leagues.
Speaker 2: This was all real stuff. Man, and its people didn't
Speaker 2: want to They looked to whoever their team was to
Speaker 2: tell them what to think about what they just saw.
Speaker 2: So they were told what the thing and either believe
Speaker 2: it or not believe it. You know, Oh, it's all
Speaker 2: a lie. Opfully well, Joe ol Berr says, it's all
Speaker 2: a bunch of bullshitts. A Joe knows because Joe Joseph,
Speaker 2: he wash his dishes over there at the pizza place.
Speaker 2: You know. Everybody's a friggin lawyer online. That's why united
Speaker 2: the comments are to have to joy in some of
Speaker 2: these threads that you see and you're on Twitter, because
Speaker 2: everybody knows. Everybody knows everything. Everybody's got the answers. I
Speaker 2: know what that is. I know you don't know shit, man,
Speaker 2: you know exactly what they want you to know. And
Speaker 2: you're debel enough to fall for either side, and the
Speaker 2: truth is somewhere in the middle that you wouldn't recognize
Speaker 2: if it need, Yeah, you can't. I don't know what
Speaker 2: to believe anymore. And do I think people will handle
Speaker 2: I think people can handle it, I really do. I
Speaker 2: take a look at the world right now, brother, it's
Speaker 2: so screwed up. Be ain't doing a real good job
Speaker 2: of making anything work right now. I think maybe here Tyler,
Speaker 2: when I wrote the book and I said this was
Speaker 2: exactly what I said to myself. There's only two ways
Speaker 2: out of this ship for us, all right. One insert
Speaker 2: the deity of your choice comes here and says you people,
Speaker 2: you got it all wrong. This is how you're supposed
Speaker 2: to do it. Or you get some underwater alien life form,
Speaker 2: non interdimensional life form, something from outer space underwater. So
Speaker 2: that's the same thing. Two people have got it all wrong.
Speaker 2: We gave you everything you needed and you're still screwed up.
Speaker 2: So that would become your point of reference for how
Speaker 2: to go forward, you know, but it has to happen
Speaker 2: on a massive scale in order to get everybody to
Speaker 2: believe it. It really does, you know, it would have
Speaker 2: to happen simultaneously around the world like.
Speaker 1: That, Well what okay? And do you think that that
Speaker 1: would be because that could be how a non human
Speaker 1: intelligence does connect with every single person all at once.
Speaker 1: So it's like you almost you almost piggy piggyback, not piggyback,
Speaker 1: but leapfrog the media and any third party, right, well,
Speaker 1: you just beam it right into their heads or you know,
Speaker 1: show up to them as God of Choice or someone
Speaker 1: that's close to them that's died, and like have them
Speaker 1: walk up to them personally, and everyone's seeing it all
Speaker 1: at once. Everyone's like, I've thought about this, and you know,
Speaker 1: would that be the way? Would that be the only
Speaker 1: way that this could be done?
Speaker 2: And you know that's a possibility. My thought is, all
Speaker 2: the search engines, all the social media, they all have
Speaker 2: suppressions that would suppress as much of it as you can.
Speaker 2: So but if you flood and you're using la grains
Speaker 2: relays and using all these little back doors to the
Speaker 2: satellites to get into all these other places around the
Speaker 2: world that can get the information out, go around the algorithm,
Speaker 2: trip trip the algorithms, or just literally bull a shit
Speaker 2: out of the algorithm to where it can no longer
Speaker 2: suppress the realities that are being pushed through. That's and
Speaker 2: it happens simultaneously. Look, it's gonna be a major technological event.
Speaker 2: Somebody is gonna do a drop up. Someone's going to
Speaker 2: do a massive drop eventually on whatever does exist. And
Speaker 2: as sure as I am that within ten years, people
Speaker 2: will be worshiping some AI actor. He'll have ten million followers.
Speaker 2: He won't even be real. People will be following that person.
Speaker 2: He'll be They'll be you know, there's an IMDb database.
Speaker 2: They will be an AI dB database. Oh AI actors
Speaker 2: that people are also think are the ship. He's the best.
Speaker 2: I love him, I love her. It's not a he,
Speaker 2: it's not a she. It's a freaking thick mint of
Speaker 2: someone's imagination. But people, in their quest to be entertained,
Speaker 2: will they get a kick out of it, and they'll
Speaker 2: follow these future stars, you know, ten years down the line.
Speaker 2: It's gonna happen. Not just but it's the natural progression
Speaker 2: of people in the technology industry who have ideas. It's always, hey,
Speaker 2: we can do that, just like a dress part. Okay,
Speaker 2: we can do it. But should we do it? Always
Speaker 2: the question?
Speaker 1: And that's the scariest thing right now for me with AI.
Speaker 2: Yeah it's brother ed.
Speaker 1: Sorry, yeah, no one is stopping to ask should we?
Speaker 2: But then where is it? Where is where do you stop? See? Everybody,
Speaker 2: it's who's going to make that judgment? We we usually
Speaker 2: we know what we do. We take a big ship
Speaker 2: in the living room, right and then we all look
Speaker 2: around at each other and go, what does that smell?
Speaker 2: We're shocked that it smells in the living I know
Speaker 2: it's a horrible analogy, but that's really what happens is
Speaker 2: we make a big mess and then nobody wants to
Speaker 2: accept responsibility. Say, then we start implementing stupid ideas and
Speaker 2: policies that don't fix the problem. They just master the
Speaker 2: problem so we can move forward. So then everything gets
Speaker 2: built on a pile of bullshit. Everything is everything from
Speaker 2: that point on, we move forward with more bullshit, and
Speaker 2: the festering, heaping pile that created the problem is still
Speaker 2: underneath sticking up the room.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and AI.
Speaker 2: AI is such a double it's so wonderful, it's so
Speaker 2: amazing what you can do with AI. But and I
Speaker 2: always go back to this. You know, a gun. You
Speaker 2: take a gun, you put it on your desk, it
Speaker 2: will sit there for a million years. You put a
Speaker 2: human in the room, all bets are off. Once they're
Speaker 2: humans in the room. The gun ain't gonna do anything.
Speaker 2: It's not about it's the human. And the same thing
Speaker 2: with AI. If they didn't bastardize AI's uses, my god,
Speaker 2: the ship, we could accomplish.
Speaker 1: And that's a very very good and nuanced point to that.
Speaker 1: Because they're programming of the AI. You know, like at
Speaker 1: the beginning, when it was like they'd be like show
Speaker 1: you know, show me a picture of like a World
Speaker 1: War two battle and it would have like Chinese women soldiers,
Speaker 1: and it was like, wait a second, that, no, that's
Speaker 1: not like d I can't be used in this situation.
Speaker 2: So it was it was like the unfiltered search results
Speaker 2: you used to get Lecos or Alta Vista in ninety
Speaker 2: seven ninety eight. You'd search for a green tent and
Speaker 2: you would get everything that had nothing to do with
Speaker 2: the green tent. You know, before they started fining tuning
Speaker 2: the search engines and the metadata and creating the score
Speaker 2: is creating the system for the algorithms and know where
Speaker 2: to direct you to. Yes, exactly what you were saying,
Speaker 2: same thing?
Speaker 1: Do you think that ai? Now I don't know if
Speaker 1: you I mean you told me backstage that you know
Speaker 1: the story of like the Zacharaisichen and or maybe that
Speaker 1: was maybe that was live, I can't remember. But Chariot
Speaker 1: of the Gods, the idea of Chariot of the Gods.
Speaker 1: So the come here they create humans because the the race,
Speaker 1: the be the beings of the on that were uh,
Speaker 1: the workers rebelled. They didn't want the conditions were bad.
Speaker 2: So the.
Speaker 1: Exactly so they take some of that they take some
Speaker 1: of their own DNA and they find primate primates, the
Speaker 1: closest thing to to them that they could research or
Speaker 1: or hybridize. And then you know, thus comes the human
Speaker 1: or the hominid. And we are only we. Our only
Speaker 1: purpose is this non stop working, this non stop creation,
Speaker 1: this non stop thirst for more, This this notion that
Speaker 1: we never stop to ask ourselves. Should we write, we
Speaker 1: just everything else on this planet. Sal hear me out
Speaker 1: on this. If the worms go extinct tomorrow, we're fucked.
Speaker 1: If the bees go extinct tomorrow, we're fucked. Everything else
Speaker 1: in this world seems to be part of this beautiful ecosystem,
Speaker 1: this perfectly balanced controlled environment. There's hundreds and hundreds of
Speaker 1: millions of them across the globe, and you take one
Speaker 1: thing out and it focks at all. But then you
Speaker 1: have humans. We take more than we give. They tell us,
Speaker 1: we stood up only to have back pain and get
Speaker 1: burned by the very thing that gives everything life. Right. Also,
Speaker 1: we shed our fur to need pelts and coats in
Speaker 1: the winter. Our biological clock is more in tuned with
Speaker 1: Mars than it is of Earth. We don't seem to
Speaker 1: fit the bill for any ecosystem on this planet? Are
Speaker 1: we theis?
Speaker 2: And you can you could go in eight different directions
Speaker 2: out of that one and not be wrong and not
Speaker 2: be right.
Speaker 1: But do you take any stock into the Aanaki story.
Speaker 2: Here's the way I look at it, and I always go.
Speaker 2: If it's say it's the year fifteen, and you get
Speaker 2: t Bow the Magnificent and his Peasant from that movie
Speaker 2: Just Visiting with Christina aguile a Christina Apple game, right,
Speaker 2: so it's, oh, dude, if you ever get a chance,
Speaker 2: watch just you if you haven't seen Just Visiting. It
Speaker 2: was one of those movies that got lost in two
Speaker 2: thousand and one. It's hilarious. Okay, So now you know
Speaker 2: the years like fourteen whatever it is, and imagine just
Speaker 2: a man, I don't care a lamp, right, and fourteen
Speaker 2: eighty seven people look at that, they're looking at to say,
Speaker 2: what the hell is it? What is it? I don't
Speaker 2: know what. They didn't have the knowledge, you know, what
Speaker 2: the hell they were looking at back then, especially, and
Speaker 2: if you go back to ten thousand years Dianaki, who knows,
Speaker 2: it could have just been a bunch of tall dudes.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I wasn't there. We can speculate all
Speaker 2: day long. I would love to know, honestly, I would
Speaker 2: nobody would love to know half this shit more than me,
Speaker 2: just just for the hell of it, Because as I think,
Speaker 2: it's a you know, at least you get to the
Speaker 2: bottom of things, do I. I don't know what to
Speaker 2: make of that one. I just like I don't know
Speaker 2: what to make of even even after the Ana Mackey.
Speaker 2: You know, it just seems like we are forever slaves
Speaker 2: to something and a belief system has always been put
Speaker 2: in place, you know, every time we watch movies, like
Speaker 2: when you watch a movie about disclosure or contact or
Speaker 2: the alien becomes present, you never asked them. Okay, so
Speaker 2: how does your society work? Do you guys get here's
Speaker 2: me my question. You guys go to the bathroom? Okay,
Speaker 2: what do you eat? You know, what do you eat?
Speaker 2: Do you eat anything over there? Do you sleep? Is
Speaker 2: money important? You know? Like that line in uh in
Speaker 2: It's a Wonderful Life with mclarence the Angel least says
Speaker 2: you know money and James James Stewart's as well comes
Speaker 2: down comes in pretty handy down your bubb You know,
Speaker 2: do you need money? Do you people compete? Is there
Speaker 2: competition where you come from. How do is it or
Speaker 2: is it a sharing society where even those who uh
Speaker 2: you know who are gifted with a broader for lack
Speaker 2: of a better word, intelligence, do you all just contribute
Speaker 2: to the betterment of your culture? Whereas here it's I
Speaker 2: don't know. People want to ship all over the United
Speaker 2: States and how bad the planet is, how bad the
Speaker 2: country is. Where do you think we got a monopoly
Speaker 2: on these miserable lowlife piece of ship bastard running everything.
Speaker 2: Every single country has got some scumbags in or outside
Speaker 2: controlling it all. We ain't got the monopoly on this ship.
Speaker 2: And people should probably go visit other go to other
Speaker 2: countries and see how wonderful it is. It's nice to visit.
Speaker 2: You wouldn't want.
Speaker 1: To live there, you know, right right?
Speaker 2: And that's not that But that's because culturally we're all different.
Speaker 2: You know, how they how they live and how what
Speaker 2: what they enjoy in France or what they enjoy Man
Speaker 2: of Gascar, what they enjoy in h I don't know,
Speaker 2: in Ivory Coast what they enjoy. Everybody has different cultures.
Speaker 2: That's the thing. We are different people, so we have
Speaker 2: different things. We enjoy. They may eat something different over there,
Speaker 2: we may eat we eat differently here. I'm not I'm
Speaker 2: not gonna shit all over that. It's but to just
Speaker 2: ship on your own culture because you think it's garbage.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Who are people like that trying to impress?
Speaker 2: I know, is it profound? Is that poignant? Is that
Speaker 2: supposed to be some kind of profound, poignant objective view
Speaker 2: of your own culture? How much of your own culture
Speaker 2: do you really know? Because you're part of it, you know,
Speaker 2: somebody can look at you and say this, and you
Speaker 2: can look at me and say the same thing. I
Speaker 2: don't know what you know about these stories about the
Speaker 2: innerche because it all, it all smells the same to me.
Speaker 2: It smells like control. Somehow, somebody's got to control people.
Speaker 2: And do these people who are in control think they're
Speaker 2: doing us and a service? I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know if they think maybe they believe themselves
Speaker 2: to beat the benevolent ones where they're helping us, because
Speaker 2: otherwise the world would really be screwed up. I don't know.
Speaker 1: And that, yeah, that's a scary thought to me. Yes,
Speaker 1: if they're holding back something because and like that would
Speaker 1: be the biggest plot to us if we found out
Speaker 1: that like they find like they eat us, like and
Speaker 1: we're just cow or cattle.
Speaker 2: To serve man from twiglight zone. Right.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you just saw this, but I
Speaker 1: took us in my coffee.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're okay, over there, dude, down the wrong pipe.
Speaker 1: It came out my nose. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh, it was like a you're a squirter, You're okay,
Speaker 2: you're good.
Speaker 1: That was hilarious way to roll with it.
Speaker 2: But yeah, no, and that would go and by the way,
Speaker 2: they would go right over my wife's head. I married
Speaker 2: the fial lover her so so innocent about things sometimes,
Speaker 2: whereas me, I've been dragged fort a mon. I've just
Speaker 2: seen ship and a man and they're just ship. I've
Speaker 2: seen that you can't unsee. And she's the exact opposite.
Speaker 2: So she's my balance, keeps me balance.
Speaker 1: We all need a little balance.
Speaker 2: Yes, we're all left up eat right.
Speaker 1: You know it's sad. If I just choked to death
Speaker 1: on camera, that would have went viral.
Speaker 2: You get it monetized, at least monetize it. Are you?
Speaker 2: Are you you monetized? Right? Switch back? If you can't
Speaker 2: just in case this case of don't work next.
Speaker 1: All right, Yeah, yeah, run it back, guys, run it back.
Speaker 2: You keep it for your state. I could just say
Speaker 2: I was part of it, but it's all your No.
Speaker 1: I didn't realize. I didn't realize. The spoon is still
Speaker 1: in the car. But it's a big it's a big cup.
Speaker 1: So the spoon. So the spoon, it's right there, right,
Speaker 1: And I took a ship and the spoon went in
Speaker 1: my mouth and then it can't like spit out my nose.
Speaker 2: Well kind of what are you drinking? You go to
Speaker 2: dark roast? What do you like?
Speaker 1: Imma? I do like a medium roast. I like, uh,
Speaker 1: a splash of milk and like two or three sugars.
Speaker 2: Nice. Yeah, I'm me. I like that like Levaza or
Speaker 2: you know, a nice dark, dark, rich roast and I go, honestly, god,
Speaker 2: I go Boston style all the time, loaded up with
Speaker 2: green baby, let's go sugar.
Speaker 1: Just yeah.
Speaker 2: And I'm a coffee And actually my wife got me
Speaker 2: hooked on tea lately, so I'm pretty I've been doing
Speaker 2: the Earl Gray again. I really love. But she's got
Speaker 2: this tea called Machu Picu Macho something I don't know, Macha, Yeah,
Speaker 2: that can whatever. I'm not a good fan of it.
Speaker 1: Me neither me neither like.
Speaker 2: They are all great. It's as far as I'm going.
Speaker 1: Yeah, someone tried to turn me onto mushroom coffee.
Speaker 2: I've heard it's really good for you, and I've heard.
Speaker 1: You yeah yeah, doctor doctor, you know the result.
Speaker 2: I read Doctor Malone's stuff a lot. Uh, sulec another
Speaker 2: one for a lot of these things, especially me being
Speaker 2: a gravitationally challenged guy and trying to figure out ways
Speaker 2: to cut the weight and you know, lower the blood
Speaker 2: pressure and stuff. And uh, the mushroom coffee is supposed
Speaker 2: to be really good for you. Yeah, I think I
Speaker 2: might take the plunge one day.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And apparently it doesn't taste like ship like you'd
Speaker 1: think it would.
Speaker 2: Right, I mean, who wants mushroom? I don't want a
Speaker 2: truffle flavored coffee. I don't mind trouble, yeah, olive oil.
Speaker 1: But not my I'll like, I'll eat mushrooms, not not
Speaker 1: not the not the food type, but like the trippy type.
Speaker 1: And I hate the taste of them so much, but like,
Speaker 1: in the thought of it, I'm like every time I
Speaker 1: hear mushroom coffee. All I can think of is like
Speaker 1: like putting mushrooms in a in a coffee maker and
Speaker 1: having water go through it. But that's not.
Speaker 2: Really what it is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but but my head just goes there and I'm like,
Speaker 1: that sounds disgusting. But back to what we were, Back
Speaker 1: to what we're talking about before I almost died, the
Speaker 1: the wonders of live guys, the wonders of live WHOA.
Speaker 1: The title of your novel, which you've brought up now
Speaker 1: a couple of times, is hidden powers disclosure from within.
Speaker 1: Do you believe that the biggest secret surrounding UFOs is
Speaker 1: the phenomenon itself or is it how the information about
Speaker 1: the phenomenon is managed?
Speaker 2: I think I think it's managed of it, Okay, even
Speaker 2: if you could explain ninety percent of it, and even
Speaker 2: three or four percent that if you can't explain, maybe
Speaker 2: it is something else. But the ship that is absolutely,
Speaker 2: I'm equivocally real it's being managed. And it only takes
Speaker 2: a small portion of them of managing it to get
Speaker 2: people to where we're at, to the point where we say,
Speaker 2: I don't know to believe. Oh that again, that's bullshit,
Speaker 2: because you get so fed up with hearing this, and
Speaker 2: that's like for the level got you're just gonna just again,
Speaker 2: can you just put the put out the truth? But
Speaker 2: for some reason, whatever it is, whoever it's profiting, you know,
Speaker 2: I always go back to money. People are making big
Speaker 2: dough off this ship. They probably always have some. And
Speaker 2: and in the book, you know that was the directive
Speaker 2: that that's the way I wound up going. Is that?
Speaker 1: What do you mean by that?
Speaker 2: That's a lot there's a lot of money. Member in
Speaker 2: the movie Contact, when what's his name the scientists who
Speaker 2: gave them the money to build the magneto thing, he says,
Speaker 2: why build one when you can build two twice the money.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of money to be made. It doesn't
Speaker 2: take much to walk up the guy and say, yeah,
Speaker 2: you saw that. Huh Yeah, it's gotta tell you what.
Speaker 2: We're gonna give you a hundred thousand dollars and we're
Speaker 2: gonna let your kid live or else we're going to
Speaker 2: blow mostorts your kid at the wall, and your wife
Speaker 2: you won't even read. There won't be enough DNA left
Speaker 2: to even identify that she was over here on earth.
Speaker 2: So you want to take the hundred grand and shut
Speaker 2: up or not. It's not far fetched to believe that
Speaker 2: that kind of shit happens, especially if you're an Italian.
Speaker 2: You know, you know, you've seen them in action.
Speaker 1: Bluffing.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So do you think so you think that the information
Speaker 1: is the prize?
Speaker 2: Yeah, because the information is the key. That's the key,
Speaker 2: the key, the key to it all is whether it's
Speaker 2: real or not. Right, that's that you want you open
Speaker 2: that box now everybody can see it.
Speaker 1: And it stops being this elusive thing that only a
Speaker 1: small select people have access to.
Speaker 2: Right, Well, it's not, you know again, in the way
Speaker 2: I wrote it, it's it's they're ideologically connected, loosely ideological.
Speaker 2: It doesn't mean they have to all be in some
Speaker 2: kind of organization of They are like minded, just like
Speaker 2: the media. You know, ninety percent of the media. They
Speaker 2: think a certain way. Okay, so they're gonna they're gonna
Speaker 2: write stories, They're gonna adjectively describe things to get you
Speaker 2: to perceive what they want you to perceive the way
Speaker 2: they want you to perceive it. So you think the
Speaker 2: way they want you to think, and you see it
Speaker 2: the way they want it framed. It happens on the
Speaker 2: life Then it happens in the right and somewhere in
Speaker 2: the middle, there's got to be some truth there. I
Speaker 2: don't trust either one of them, and I get, like,
Speaker 2: like the average Perry any other people out there, say
Speaker 2: what the hell's the truth? Some people don't want to
Speaker 2: know the truth. They just want, like I said, they
Speaker 2: just want to help some dude's leg. Tell them they
Speaker 2: think he's great, and hopefully he'll throw him a bone
Speaker 2: with a job with some pension, and I'll get a
Speaker 2: city job or state job or fed job, and yeah,
Speaker 2: you're my guy, no matter how much the guy screws up.
Speaker 2: But then there's a lot of genuinely curious people who
Speaker 2: want to look at these guys who are in control,
Speaker 2: these people who are in power, and say, I just
Speaker 2: I don't believe you. I don't believe you. I just
Speaker 2: don't believe it. I would like to see the truth.
Speaker 2: And they, if they're in power, they're not going to
Speaker 2: They're not. Nobody's gonna willingly give up power. It's going
Speaker 2: to have you know, some people. Maybe I don't know,
Speaker 2: but I would hope that eventually this just gets so
Speaker 2: wide open that the band aid gets ripped off and
Speaker 2: we can finally get to some truths so we can
Speaker 2: move forward. You know, doctor Stephen Greer, when he talks
Speaker 2: about you know, how many years we've been set it,
Speaker 2: if that's true, if he's speaking the truth, and if
Speaker 2: that's been if that's real, you know, we're one hundred
Speaker 2: and fifty years back in technology. I mean, propulsion is
Speaker 2: an ancient technology, bro. Yeah, you know a car is
Speaker 2: the one hundred and fifty Thinking we're going to get
Speaker 2: out of our galaxy with a rocket is insane.
Speaker 1: It's laughable, it's insane. Chemical chemical combustion will never allow
Speaker 1: us to be a space faring civilization.
Speaker 2: No, you'll be you won't even live to make it
Speaker 2: a pass, you know, venus potentially.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there are wrong.
Speaker 2: So if there are other technologies out there that are
Speaker 2: being for us, they're being suppressed for a reason. I
Speaker 2: wrote about it.
Speaker 1: But I think I think it ties back to, like
Speaker 1: what you said, it ties back to the the money right,
Speaker 1: the exploitation of the actual material right. But also there's
Speaker 1: this compartmentalization and siloing that's been built around the idea
Speaker 1: and thus it's a limited hangout. And like you, we
Speaker 1: had we have talked about this whole time people are
Speaker 1: very people like want to be a part of a team.
Speaker 1: They want to be in on it, right, they want
Speaker 1: to be I know something you don't know. I'm connected,
Speaker 1: I'm read in, but I can't tell you. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I can't tell you that in an open setting. You know,
Speaker 1: I think people, I think there are a lot of
Speaker 1: narcissists out there that actually like that, that that that
Speaker 1: they enjoy that they have a clamp down on certain information.
Speaker 2: That they count on it. They count on.
Speaker 1: It, bingo, they fucking count on it.
Speaker 2: That's how you hide the truth and plane That's how
Speaker 2: you hide the truth and plain sight.
Speaker 1: You rely on that, and that's how you get the
Speaker 1: Epstein's mhm right in because they hide in plane site.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, you go back, you talk about then
Speaker 2: you know, there's a portion of the book where I
Speaker 2: just delve into a little bit of some of that
Speaker 2: subject matter. And you know, I really don't give a
Speaker 2: shit about the list because I've been to parties where
Speaker 2: there are some really low life, sloppy, scum bag pieces
Speaker 2: of ship. Doesn't mean I did anything that they were doing,
Speaker 2: just mean I was in the presence of them. What
Speaker 2: I want, what I'm interested in is what I was
Speaker 2: told years ago is there's tear bits of video in audio.
Speaker 2: I don't give a shit about a paper list man
Speaker 2: about a bunch of people who want to party, snort,
Speaker 2: blow and hump, you know on hump coconut trees. Right,
Speaker 2: the list doesn't mean much. The action that they cannot
Speaker 2: ever deny.
Speaker 1: Is the video, right, and we have they they said
Speaker 1: that it's like, what we have right now is like
Speaker 1: and maybe I'm making this number up, but maybe someone
Speaker 1: in the in the chat or can can answer this.
Speaker 1: They say, we have like we have like twenty percent
Speaker 1: of the evidence and that's and we have like, you know,
Speaker 1: millions of documents. So what that is indicative of is
Speaker 1: that the eighty percent that is left is like you said,
Speaker 1: it's video. It's it's highly dense video and audio files.
Speaker 1: And that is exactly right, Like because you know who's
Speaker 1: all in the emails and ship like anyone anyone who
Speaker 1: ever sent or got an email from Epstein is not
Speaker 1: a fucking inside some sort of conspiracy. The guy was
Speaker 1: funding science and and the guy was funding various you know,
Speaker 1: uh sectors.
Speaker 2: He was buying likes is what he was doing. A
Speaker 2: lot of one suspecting people, a lot of dots, a
Speaker 2: lot of people who really have a clue, and then
Speaker 2: there's a lot of people who probably did have a
Speaker 2: clue and were participating. And those are ones, those are
Speaker 2: the ones I want to see on video.
Speaker 1: You have you have the inner circle, right, the inner
Speaker 1: circle is Epstein Glane, and then anyone who's like the
Speaker 1: core part of it that every the direction is taken from.
Speaker 1: And maybe it was just them too, Maybe that's the
Speaker 1: inner circle. I doubt that. But then you have the
Speaker 1: next ring of people. Those are the active participants and
Speaker 1: the people that.
Speaker 4: Like made it possible, if you know, the ansilary, the ancillaries,
Speaker 4: the people on the outside of the outside who wanted
Speaker 4: to get to the inside, they wanted to be in.
Speaker 2: It's no different than the entertainment industry or the record
Speaker 2: business like we spoke about earlier. It's it's a one
Speaker 2: big freak show, and everybody wants to be uh, move
Speaker 2: up the ladder so they can get patted on the
Speaker 2: head and say, well, you get good, you're good, you
Speaker 2: could you you you're good, you were good. Then you know,
Speaker 2: and here's the weird thing, and you know, I'm just
Speaker 2: looking this up from twenty fifteen till like last year,
Speaker 2: nothing was our twenties or was it twenty twenty to
Speaker 2: last year? Nothing was ever released on it. And I said,
Speaker 2: I said, I don't know why the hell didn't they
Speaker 2: release any of this shit before? And then I read
Speaker 2: because I guess the DOJ it was because it was
Speaker 2: supposedly it was under investigation. So if it's under investigation,
Speaker 2: that's the cover that you don't You can't release anything,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, type right now, it's under investigation.
Speaker 2: We can't talk about it. We can't release anything. All
Speaker 2: of a sudden. Now it's no longer under investigation and
Speaker 2: they're spewing out documents all of a sudden. But where's
Speaker 2: the rest of it again? Why are you wasting my
Speaker 2: friggin time with a boat? Slap this guy when it?
Speaker 2: I want the video that we were told exists. That
Speaker 2: that ends everything. The video ends everything. That's it. The
Speaker 2: video cannot lie. And you know that chances are that
Speaker 2: dude had that joint wired the way you got your
Speaker 2: studio wired, right, he got red cameras, he got them, sony,
Speaker 2: he got he can get right down to the cube
Speaker 2: in the.
Speaker 1: Literally, yes, literally you're funny, man, I like it.
Speaker 2: That's that's the stuff that interests me. I mean, somebody
Speaker 2: who went to that island fifty sixty times. I'm a
Speaker 2: little weird. I'm a little suspected before.
Speaker 1: Right right, right, right right. But at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, was Stephen Hawking doing there, He's like like, why, like, does.
Speaker 2: Even know what he's looking didn't even know what he's
Speaker 2: looking at it, I don't know. It's weird man. And
Speaker 2: again we talked about in the entertainment industry, in the
Speaker 2: in these desire for people who want to be accepted
Speaker 2: in what they perceive to be a power structure.
Speaker 1: And you know, they there's no hangout factor gives it
Speaker 1: that exclusivity that you that people desperately crave. They crave
Speaker 1: this this element of being, like I said, part of
Speaker 1: that team, part of that, part of the group, part
Speaker 1: of the part of the club.
Speaker 2: I know things. I'm important, I hang with important people.
Speaker 2: I'm I can't tell you anything, but I know.
Speaker 1: And this is the this is the basis for most
Speaker 1: club's most secret societies, is the idea that you know
Speaker 1: something the rest of the world doesn't, and it's you
Speaker 1: that has the power of the secrets. YadA, YadA, YadA.
Speaker 2: Right, I'm important. I have power. There you go.
Speaker 1: We do rituals to this thing.
Speaker 2: Uh, you know, rituals, rituals. When I think about rituals,
Speaker 2: I think, wow, what a peasant at a still peasant house.
Speaker 2: These rituals they go back a thousand years, like you're living.
Speaker 2: What are you gonna go shit in some hole in
Speaker 2: the desert now too and get rid of your all
Speaker 2: your modern convenience. It's such a stupid thing. Yeah, we
Speaker 2: have to do this to prove that we're that. It
Speaker 2: bores me to know what do you and these are
Speaker 2: things about humans that annoy me. It really annoys me
Speaker 2: about humans. Is that these silly rituals that you know
Speaker 2: when you see them performing whatever group it is, these
Speaker 2: rituals where we all have to come together and do this.
Speaker 2: Or do you ever see that one video of all
Speaker 2: them weird people screaming and crying because they were apologizing
Speaker 2: to a tree. No of course back years bro, it's funny. Shit.
Speaker 2: It's a whole group of just really weird looking white.
Speaker 1: People man, and they're crying because the tree got cut.
Speaker 2: They're apologizing to the trees for what for everything? That
Speaker 2: we did to them. The trees are eight hundred feet tall,
Speaker 2: they've been around for a thousand years. You didn't do
Speaker 2: nothing to the tree. Those trees are in good shape.
Speaker 2: So why are you apologizing to the trees? Go apologize
Speaker 2: to the trees that are no longer there. Right, they're
Speaker 2: screaming and flying and doing this ritual with the public.
Speaker 2: And I'm looking at this, and you know what happened?
Speaker 2: What happened to you people? Well, somewhere along the way,
Speaker 2: you know, maybe your mother breastfed you while she was
Speaker 2: doing the asset. I don't know. Someone's got to really,
Speaker 2: you got to do something really screwed up to be
Speaker 2: that screwed up. It's it's bizarre. It's very bizarre. And
Speaker 2: there's some bizarre things in the book, you know, they were.
Speaker 2: I get into the habituals of people. Uh just you
Speaker 2: know it's some people may recognize that, some people may not.
Speaker 2: But it interests the hell out me. Human behavior is
Speaker 2: always interesting to me. And I think so because I
Speaker 2: got I got my own weird ship, you know. But
Speaker 2: the key is to know it and not living denial
Speaker 2: of it. You know, my own weird things I do
Speaker 2: that I go now I am really fucked up. What
Speaker 2: the hell is that all about? But some people just
Speaker 2: live and DENI know of this ship like it's a
Speaker 2: normal well, okay whatever.
Speaker 1: They want to keep their head in the sand because
Speaker 1: because because if they admit it, then they've conceded that
Speaker 1: reality is not the way that they they had been
Speaker 1: raised to believe to know. Right, if you live and.
Speaker 2: If you live that way, t then you're not growing
Speaker 2: because then you're suppressing knowledge that you're gaining. You're getting,
Speaker 2: you're getting knowledge, you're being you're being shown that, Hey,
Speaker 2: this is not a this isn't a t bone steak,
Speaker 2: It's a finger, you know what I mean. I now
Speaker 2: realize that I was wrong. I shouldn't call that a
Speaker 2: t bone steak. That's my finger. People will live in
Speaker 2: but then they'll fight over it because it's they don't
Speaker 2: want to. It's hard to break out of their conditioning.
Speaker 2: Whereas I'm very open to a lot of things, and
Speaker 2: I look at things like, okay, well that's just that's
Speaker 2: deep or that's shallow, and that's stupid, and it's good
Speaker 2: for you. You enjoy it, not me, and that's it. Right.
Speaker 1: Have you ever had any encounter with a UFO with
Speaker 1: the paranormal, with any any of the phenomena that may
Speaker 1: have sparked something in you too, because at least for me,
Speaker 1: what I see the most of is people get to
Speaker 1: this community one where either one of a few ways.
Speaker 1: One of them is direct experience. One of the next
Speaker 1: biggest one is faith. Faith, and I'm talking unconditional, unconditional
Speaker 1: faith in the trust that they have for someone else
Speaker 1: who had something happen and by by by happenstance, they
Speaker 1: they trust that person. Like Luigi Luigi, his grandfather had
Speaker 1: an experience, told him about it. This is Luigi Vendtelli. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: created the S four Bob was our story documentary. He
Speaker 1: he didn't have a sighting of anything. He was always
Speaker 1: operating on Oh, his grandfather told him the story of
Speaker 1: what he saw. And he trusted his grandfather so much
Speaker 1: that he operated on the notion that it was a
Speaker 1: reality without having ever seen it. And that's that's okay.
Speaker 1: I've never actually seen a kangaroo, but that that takes
Speaker 1: a special and I think people are like they're almost
Speaker 1: like sad to admit, Like when I asked that question,
Speaker 1: if you have had an experience, they're sad to admit, like, no,
Speaker 1: I haven't nothing that I can point to, and it's
Speaker 1: like that's okay, that's okay, trust me.
Speaker 2: Anyway, I've tried, I've won. What do you mean I've hoped,
Speaker 2: I've tried. That is that I've actually called the police
Speaker 2: when I thought I saw you a fall was just spotlights.
Speaker 2: So I'm jokingly I say that I've tried because I
Speaker 2: really would love to have seen one. I know, I
Speaker 2: believe you experienced it, right, you had an experience, and yeah,
Speaker 2: and but I will tell you this, I did have
Speaker 2: a very weird experience. What it was, I don't know
Speaker 2: if you would call a parent normal.
Speaker 1: Tell me about it.
Speaker 2: I was see, I was seventeen. Right when I was younger,
Speaker 2: I had my music room and I had my turntables
Speaker 2: set up, My reels are reel. I was doing mixes
Speaker 2: for a radio station here in Chicago and other places,
Speaker 2: and I was making cassette tapes for friends of mine
Speaker 2: and stuff. And the back wall of my music room
Speaker 2: was all cork. So it was twelve x twelve cork,
Speaker 2: and my music room was all it was sound. It
Speaker 2: was all built for soundproof, right, yeah, not soundproof, but
Speaker 2: built for great sound. I had my monitors. I had
Speaker 2: my Pioneer deep twelves further out, and I had my
Speaker 2: little monitors in front of me. So I was working
Speaker 2: on a mix and I at that time, I was
Speaker 2: working on eleven hundred I think they're the eleven hundred
Speaker 2: m K two's, which are still probably the greatest turntable
Speaker 2: ever made for a DJ. The platters about that thick.
Speaker 2: They're still going for anywhere from fifteen hundred and twenty
Speaker 2: five hundred online. It's an amazing turntable. And we were
Speaker 2: using the SC thirty five C cartridges at the time.
Speaker 2: As a DJ. That was but like some people like standing,
Speaker 2: I was always an SC thirty five Sea guy, and
Speaker 2: so I'm working on the mix and then all was
Speaker 2: It's weird, man. The setup was. It was like a
Speaker 2: DJ booth. So it was like, let me see. So
Speaker 2: it came out like this and then like that. So
Speaker 2: the turntables are here with the mixer in the middle.
Speaker 2: It's about six feet long, and then it goes that
Speaker 2: way another four feet. The real the real deck is there,
Speaker 2: and then all my vinyl was underneath my booth and
Speaker 2: I had a dream it had It was a dream.
Speaker 2: So I'm John Beluchi died in March of eighty two,
Speaker 2: and I loved Baluchi. It was my favorite when I
Speaker 2: was a kid. Jimmy I liked a lot too, but
Speaker 2: John was. Yeah, And so out of nowhere, Beluchi shows
Speaker 2: up in my music room and he says, what do
Speaker 2: you want to do? Says, what do you mean when
Speaker 2: I wanted to? He said, what do you want to be?
Speaker 2: You want to be a DJ all your life? I said, no,
Speaker 2: I want to get in the Second City. You know
Speaker 2: it's my goal because I just that was the year
Speaker 2: right when I got done doing Bad Boys, So this
Speaker 2: is probably October, September, October November of eighty two. Bad
Speaker 2: Boys was released in February of eighty three. So he
Speaker 2: looks at me and he says, all right, I'll help
Speaker 2: you get in, but let me tell you something. If
Speaker 2: I see this shit, you're done. And he pointed to
Speaker 2: his arm and his arm just looked like Swiss cheese man.
Speaker 2: You know what. Yeah, it was weird. So I don't
Speaker 2: know where I wake up, and I'm sitting right behind
Speaker 2: where I was where I was talking to him in
Speaker 2: my music room, and it was about six in the morning.
Speaker 2: My music room was in the basement. I lived downstairs
Speaker 2: here in Chicago. We all remodeled our basements really nice,
Speaker 2: and you know, you had part you had your own
Speaker 2: little I had my bet room, my own bathroom, my
Speaker 2: music Oh yeah. But it was weird because within three
Speaker 2: months I'm auditioning at Second City and Don the Polo
Speaker 2: grabs me and says we definitely I wind up studying
Speaker 2: under Don de Pollo. Who was I said, holy shit,
Speaker 2: that's the guy who worked with at Roy and Bill Murray.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. And I still was. I was seventeen,
Speaker 2: so I think I was probably the youngest member accepted
Speaker 2: in Second City at the time. And some of the
Speaker 2: sketches that I was doing were just I mean, we
Speaker 2: were having a blast. I was having so much fun.
Speaker 2: But then my mom found out that I was sneaking
Speaker 2: out of the house and I taking the the Yeah
Speaker 2: bus all the way to Second City, which is up
Speaker 2: and what they call New Town at that time, it
Speaker 2: was North Avenue in Moselle. Yeah, And then I'd have
Speaker 2: to take the bus back at through a tree in
Speaker 2: the morning and my mother. My mother busted me coming
Speaker 2: in one night, beat my ass crowded men til I
Speaker 2: was about forty, one of the many titans. My mom
Speaker 2: grounded me till I was forty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and if you're doing consecutive sentences, you're still round.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So that was it for Second City.
Speaker 1: But do you think do you think now hear me out,
Speaker 1: hear me out on this? You have this dream and
Speaker 1: then a couple of weeks later, you're auditioning at Studio City.
Speaker 2: You're second you know, Second.
Speaker 1: Sorry, sorry, Second City. Do you think that consciousness is not?
Speaker 1: I mean, what do you make of consciousness because it
Speaker 1: seems like your brain was trying to tell you something
Speaker 1: like being prepared.
Speaker 2: I think it's energy tight to me, somehow, it's tightened.
Speaker 2: The energy. I don't know what is. You know, I
Speaker 2: don't know what that energy field is or an energy force,
Speaker 2: but it's an energy. Your drive, your stride, your desire
Speaker 2: generates an energy. We give up on certain things, the
Speaker 2: energy fades, then it comes back. Just my thought. I
Speaker 2: could be wrong, you know, ain't nobody around to tell
Speaker 2: me whether I ran or rons?
Speaker 1: Well? What if?
Speaker 2: What if?
Speaker 1: Consciousness is more like a radio a radio station right
Speaker 1: and frequency? Yeah? And I mean someone explained this to
Speaker 1: me and I just thought it was like it's so brilliant,
Speaker 1: and I think we're all like searching for that kind
Speaker 1: of answer that like consciousness or in some form or another.
Speaker 1: It all boils down onto does life continue after death?
Speaker 1: Like bodily death? Right? Uh? That's that's like the two
Speaker 1: big questions are we alone and what happens after we die?
Speaker 1: And I think we're all like we all want life
Speaker 1: after death, whether we admit it or not, so we
Speaker 1: seek out this this this question of what is consciousness?
Speaker 1: And you know, I really don't like when people like
Speaker 1: you know, therapists or or or or psychologists, when they
Speaker 1: pretend to know everything about the human psyche, and uh,
Speaker 1: you know they're the same people that that can't tell
Speaker 1: me what consciousness is. They're the ones who are defining
Speaker 1: who's sick, who's saying who?
Speaker 2: You know, they have to they have to go see
Speaker 2: their own shrink.
Speaker 1: Right right right? So and then like and the reason
Speaker 1: I sidetracked here because like they say, the sleep paralysis
Speaker 1: thing that's always got me because I have done d M. T.
Speaker 1: I have done some we'll call him experience.
Speaker 2: Experience tells me I got to do it all that
Speaker 2: he does it, he's done it.
Speaker 1: D M.
Speaker 2: T yeah, and other things that gets you into a
Speaker 2: different what he believes to be a different reality, a different.
Speaker 1: Yeah, bingo. Why I bring this up is it's almost
Speaker 1: like the consciousness part of it was not ever because
Speaker 1: when I did d MT, and I've done it with
Speaker 1: I probably shouldn't say this, but like Paul Heineck, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, son of of J Allen Heineck. You know,
Speaker 1: I've been in some great great positions, great great great timing,
Speaker 1: so and of you know, met Congress members, and you know,
Speaker 1: I used to be a drunk, like you know, I've
Speaker 1: been sober for six years. I think a lot of
Speaker 1: people wrote me off for a long time. I had potential,
Speaker 1: lost it and then you know, as soon as I
Speaker 1: gave up drinking, I really, you know, found my stride,
Speaker 1: if you will. And my mother you brought you talked
Speaker 1: about earlier about north stars. My mother was always my
Speaker 1: north star. And we get we don't have to get
Speaker 1: into that, but consciousness. I don't know what stations or Chicago,
Speaker 1: but Boston there's jam in ninety four point five, right,
Speaker 1: So what if your jam in ninety four point five
Speaker 1: all the all and and you know, obviously different radio
Speaker 1: stations are tied to different radio like like areas. But
Speaker 1: think for a second that all the radio stations all
Speaker 1: everywhere are connected to one thing, and that's God, whatever
Speaker 1: we want to call it, the source, God, ether, whatever
Speaker 1: we want to call it blank, That thing that the
Speaker 1: source of whatever we come from. All of it goes
Speaker 1: back to that. You could smash the radio up, right,
Speaker 1: but ninety four point five is still going to come through, right.
Speaker 1: It's our brain is simply the receiver of the signal,
Speaker 1: which is the consciousness. So I'm kiss one oh eight, right,
Speaker 1: I'm one o seven point nine, you're ninety four point five.
Speaker 1: You know, each one, everyone's assigned, not assigned, but for
Speaker 1: the analogy, everyone's got a different little radio station, and
Speaker 1: we all report back, and we're all experiencing the world
Speaker 1: on a physical level and returning that information. You could
Speaker 1: argue that our job here on planet Earth is to experience, right,
Speaker 1: It's to make memories, it's to fail, it's to like,
Speaker 1: if you really want to get you, if you want
Speaker 1: to break the human the condition down. We're not here
Speaker 1: to do nine to five. We're not here to slave
Speaker 1: away behind a desk. We're not designed for that. What
Speaker 1: we're designed for it seems is this self reflection, this
Speaker 1: ability to look at our surroundings, know that we're doing
Speaker 1: we're all gonna die like and then live as every
Speaker 1: day could be your last, right because it could. So
Speaker 1: you know what time is? Time? Time is? We know
Speaker 1: it's a construct. All it is is a bunch of
Speaker 1: nows right now, right now, right now, right now, right now,
Speaker 1: compiled upon each other. And then the way we view
Speaker 1: it is linear because that's the way our brain is perceiving.
Speaker 1: It is a linear start to finish. But time, you know, itself,
Speaker 1: is probably a fundamental force like gravity. So to round
Speaker 1: it about because I don't want to just like rant
Speaker 1: and rave about my thoughts, but I think the one
Speaker 1: thing the universe isn't It is not simple, it's not wasteful,
Speaker 1: and I just think if we sprout up and then
Speaker 1: we die, it's just it just seems like a waste
Speaker 1: to me.
Speaker 2: Well, in the movie Contact, when she sees you know,
Speaker 2: she sees her dad that's how you know, And she says,
Speaker 2: why this way? He says, the way it's always been done.
Speaker 2: It's the way it was set up, you know, with
Speaker 2: Cody Foster at the end when she sees her dad,
Speaker 2: still never getting any answers as to who we are,
Speaker 2: what we are, why we are. But like you had
Speaker 2: said earlier, that's how we hope it is that we
Speaker 2: meet him in the afterlife. You know that he had
Speaker 2: passed away early in her you know, when she was younger,
Speaker 2: and she sees him, you know, supposedly. I don't know
Speaker 2: if necessarily. I think we were created a certain way
Speaker 2: and we're fighting the way we're forced to live because
Speaker 2: we don't want to be the slaves that we are.
Speaker 2: And I believe that is the energy and that is
Speaker 2: that's the the universal energies that we were not born
Speaker 2: to be a slave. However, it's all we know. You
Speaker 2: either work, create generate revenue, or you live on the
Speaker 2: street and die. That's sure, those are your choices. Because
Speaker 2: we are we have you know, we live in a
Speaker 2: very uncivilized world, and we live in a very fast
Speaker 2: paced world at this point. Yeah, and it's very accelerated.
Speaker 2: When I say accelerated, you taking a you take a
Speaker 2: guy who say, guy's been in a joint for twenty
Speaker 2: five years, he comes out of the joint. The whole
Speaker 2: world's different. Man, it's operating, it's vibing at an alarming speed.
Speaker 2: The sounds, the noises are insane. It's hard to adjust.
Speaker 2: And like you had, you know, like like you had said,
Speaker 2: I think we were here for a purpose we're not
Speaker 2: allowed to find out about. Yet I think it's being
Speaker 2: I think we're suppressed through that.
Speaker 1: Again, so you think that someone is suppressing what our
Speaker 1: true nature is to hold us back in some sort
Speaker 1: of like like you know, it's like keeping the sheep sheep, right,
Speaker 1: keeping the peasants peasants, Yeah, exactly, yes, perfect.
Speaker 2: Here, here's some fat, go enjoy. It doesn't go away.
Speaker 1: Now. Not everyone can be a pharaoh, right, you know what.
Speaker 2: But the way we're studying seeing and when you think
Speaker 2: in the in the mindset of a human, we look
Speaker 2: to something that has to lead us. We need somebody
Speaker 2: to lead us to follow. In the movie The Formula,
Speaker 2: Great movie, Georgey Scott, Marlon Brando and Georgey Scott's sitting
Speaker 2: across the desk from Marlon Brando and they're having discussion
Speaker 2: about people and in so many words, Marlon Brando, who
Speaker 2: he is a oil baron. Georgey Scott is the sergeant
Speaker 2: in the l A Police Department and Marlon Brando says
Speaker 2: that Georgey Scott, Barnie Barnie, Barnie Barney, human beings are
Speaker 2: are a paradix and there are dangerous animal. They're not looking,
Speaker 2: they're not looking to be leaders. They're looking for some
Speaker 2: nut to come along that they can follow. And to me,
Speaker 2: it was a pretty powerful line in the movie because
Speaker 2: it seems like everybody needs to look at somebody for
Speaker 2: justification on why they think the way they think. And
Speaker 2: that's my guy, that's my guy. Yeah, actually we think alike,
Speaker 2: and we were forever propping up stool samples of human
Speaker 2: beings to to lead us to what into a brick wall,
Speaker 2: it seems right. So it's like that scene at Animal House,
Speaker 2: remember the parade in the Animal House. Everybody's following the
Speaker 2: guy he makes what's his name from from the from
Speaker 2: Animal makes a left turn in the alley. Everybody's following him.
Speaker 2: Nobody's looking in front or just following them. They all
Speaker 2: the whole banner crashes right into a brick wall, right
Speaker 2: into the brick walls, like nobody paying attention, just follow
Speaker 2: the leader. Nobody's yeah, no, one's.
Speaker 1: No, one's yeah. That's a very good analogy. Actually it's
Speaker 1: a good visual weird weird, Yeah, very weird. So let's
Speaker 1: assume let's assume that UFOs represent a genuine non human intelligence.
Speaker 1: What do you think what I mean, what do you
Speaker 1: think would be the most disruptive truth for humanity to learn?
Speaker 2: I answer a good question today, What do you think that?
Speaker 2: Because I'm very open to it. That's why I ask you.
Speaker 1: Sorry, yeah, no, I understand. I like the discussion based thing.
Speaker 1: What I think the most disruptive truth would be is
Speaker 1: that these beings are part of, if not the whole,
Speaker 1: reason we're here, right, because it would upend most religion
Speaker 1: as it sees as it stands, if you know, like
Speaker 1: we take something like panspermia and the idea of the
Speaker 1: cosmos being seated by another intelligence. Right. I don't know
Speaker 1: if we're ready as a species to know and to
Speaker 1: meet our creator, right, to be face to face with
Speaker 1: our creator and be able to understand each other in
Speaker 1: a way that doesn't include some sort of hierarchical I mean,
Speaker 1: it may be a good thing.
Speaker 2: It might be.
Speaker 1: It could end up being a good thing because maybe
Speaker 1: we do need someone to like backhand us every now
Speaker 1: and then, Like we we clearly haven't figured this shit
Speaker 1: out yet, and I just find it. I find it
Speaker 1: odd how every ancient culture, every ancient almost every single
Speaker 1: one across the globe, and what we're taught in school
Speaker 1: is that there was no cross con minimal cross continent contact.
Speaker 1: And I find that hard to believe for many reasons,
Speaker 1: but I won't get into all of them. However, every
Speaker 1: single one of them talks about this, these deities coming
Speaker 1: from the sky or coming from the ocean, or coming
Speaker 1: from inside the earth, seating them with knowledge, vowing to
Speaker 1: return and leaving. Why is everyone and then you build
Speaker 1: these monuments that we can't fucking understand how they did
Speaker 1: it all?
Speaker 2: Just to.
Speaker 1: What work a Thursday night? They built the pyramids. There's
Speaker 1: no bodies ever found in them. I admit that grave
Speaker 1: robbers and stuff are a thing, but no pyramid that's
Speaker 1: ever been found has had an actual body in it.
Speaker 1: So what are these things? And what who are the
Speaker 1: are ancient civilizations talking about? Well, there to Plato, and
Speaker 1: you could argue whether Plato is, you know, talking about Atlantis,
Speaker 1: and whether it was hyperbole or not. It's it's.
Speaker 2: They didn't know, you know. Again, they didn't know what
Speaker 2: they were looking at back then either possibly, I don't know,
Speaker 2: none of us were there. All we have is myth legend,
Speaker 2: story sananscript. We don't. It's so you can sit here
Speaker 2: all for ten years and talk about these things, and
Speaker 2: you know what, a guy like and a guy like
Speaker 2: you and a guy like me can argue both sides
Speaker 2: of the argument, because it's just you don't know, and
Speaker 2: you as a person wants to get to the truth,
Speaker 2: to get to the reality. You really want to understand.
Speaker 2: You want to understand. But then what are you trying
Speaker 2: to understand. You're getting bits and pieces of stuff going
Speaker 2: back thousands and thousands of years, and then you're trying
Speaker 2: to assess what it means. It's hard to do that
Speaker 2: if you if you look at human nature, the only
Speaker 2: thing you can be asshured of is that people killed
Speaker 2: to keep it quiet, People hit it, and people change
Speaker 2: the stories because they didn't want the people to know.
Speaker 2: Nothing change, Nothing changes, but time we're fighting, discussing, arguing, killing,
Speaker 2: or the same shit for thousands of years.
Speaker 1: Nothing new under the sun.
Speaker 2: Nothing We ain't figured it out yet. So maybe it's
Speaker 2: a little truth might help, because maybe that's what you
Speaker 2: would finally kick us in the ass and say no,
Speaker 2: you are an asshole and you are a piece of
Speaker 2: shit wrong for doing the way the thing you've been doing.
Speaker 2: This is the right way. This is the only way
Speaker 2: you're going to join the rest of the universe. Uh,
Speaker 2: you know, you're in a dimension. They're in a dimension
Speaker 2: we're in. I don't know what what that looks like,
Speaker 2: but I certainly think that we the truth will set
Speaker 2: us free either one way, And even in the book,
Speaker 2: in the book, it's like look, and that was the
Speaker 2: whole idea of the tagline. The tagline is when all
Speaker 2: the conspiracies become reality, will the truth really set us free?
Speaker 2: Are we ready for it? Can we handle it? Will
Speaker 2: we fight each other or fight for each other? Which
Speaker 2: is exactly what we go through today. We either we're fighting,
Speaker 2: fighting against each other and fighting for each other. Eventually,
Speaker 2: you all, we all have to come together. But what
Speaker 2: is going to be that uniting factor? I don't know, disclosure, Maybe.
Speaker 1: I think it could be.
Speaker 2: I do, and I really I really do. Look at
Speaker 2: least it would answer some damned questions that I've had
Speaker 2: since you know, Chariots of the Gods and Jonathan Livingston
Speaker 2: seagul since I was a kid, you know, and everything
Speaker 2: you want to know about sex, but we're afraid to ask.
Speaker 2: That's the other one.
Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely, Oh, I mean.
Speaker 2: It's a it's a good question and it can emit
Speaker 2: a thousand different feelings, a thousand different answers.
Speaker 1: Do you do you have a favorite case? Do you
Speaker 1: have a favorite UFO case?
Speaker 2: Yes, Betty and Barney Hill.
Speaker 1: Oh, no, ship, Yeah, why that's.
Speaker 2: One of them. That's one. That's that's do you.
Speaker 1: Want to I know, I know it's been told. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm also from that area. Yeah. And I know Kathleen
Speaker 1: Martin and she's their niece. Uh and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: I've done extensive work or research into this case. So
Speaker 1: but I'd love to hear you tell me what what is?
Speaker 1: What do you think happened there?
Speaker 2: I just think it's amazing that a guy and his wife,
Speaker 2: for all the years that they kept giving him Wie
Speaker 2: detectors and asking them the questions over and over and over,
Speaker 2: nothing changed. This guy had nothing to gain. He was
Speaker 2: he was a black guy, married a white woman on
Speaker 2: the East code. What his kinetic was it? No?
Speaker 1: Hampshire right, Rampshire and he again interracial?
Speaker 2: Interracial In the sixties, early sixties and he.
Speaker 1: Was part of the ns NCAAP or whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, yeah, well he was. He was a male man, right,
Speaker 2: And I believe she was she a social worker. What
Speaker 2: was she?
Speaker 1: Yes, she was a social worker.
Speaker 2: So you're just two regular people. They're never involved in
Speaker 2: shipping her life. Man, all of a sudden, out of nowhere,
Speaker 2: they report an experience, just like those guys, those lumber
Speaker 2: dudes that were down and out was erogon. So yeah,
Speaker 2: find they're gone. You know, these these are things. No
Speaker 2: matter how through the years that these people were questioned,
Speaker 2: everything was exactly the same. The story remained the same,
Speaker 2: nothing changed. They experienced something, Man, you can't dismiss that,
Speaker 2: and there's no reason for him to come out of
Speaker 2: nowhere and do that, you know. I mean, that's just
Speaker 2: that's knowing my works is. That's an anomaly in all
Speaker 2: of it. You know, I don't care if it was
Speaker 2: Project Saucer, Project Sign, Project Grudge, which in a project
Speaker 2: blue book, all whatever they experienced, they would have tried
Speaker 2: to explain a way in those projects. And there's no
Speaker 2: way to explain that those ways. There's no way to
Speaker 2: explain those guys experience who were cutting trees. Now, there's
Speaker 2: no way to explain away with Betty and Barney Hill experience.
Speaker 2: They weren't swump to weed, they weren't doing ass. So
Speaker 2: they were just drying and their normal people doing their thing,
Speaker 2: going going wherever they were going. And I don't know
Speaker 2: her boom they get abducted. That's what they said. And
Speaker 2: I am apt to believe those stories. I'm also have
Speaker 2: to believe the fifty story. In fifty two, you can't
Speaker 2: get on. I don't know if you're familiar with the
Speaker 2: ship that happened here, I.
Speaker 1: Don't hear, And of course I am. Yeah, so punches
Speaker 1: sitting on the you.
Speaker 2: Don't tell me. I'm looking at swamp gas. They stick appearance.
Speaker 1: It's both, you know, they said that They said that
Speaker 1: one was a punch hoole.
Speaker 2: Cloud yeah, yeah, right yeah, and like reflection.
Speaker 1: Or yeah, the pilots were seeing it.
Speaker 2: People in thousands of people were there.
Speaker 1: Yeah. That air incident is something that fucking baffles me.
Speaker 2: That Arizona incident in ninety six. Yep.
Speaker 1: Phoenix lights, Yeah.
Speaker 2: The Phoenix lights. You know, like I said, there's a
Speaker 2: lot of crackpop crazy shit out there. There really is,
Speaker 2: and it does no good for any anything about disclosure.
Speaker 2: It doesn't help the know And it's just I want
Speaker 2: the hardest, I expect that the most proof you can
Speaker 2: give me to even get me to believe it. And
Speaker 2: while there's a bunch of them, there's more bullshit stories
Speaker 2: or there are ways to explain a lot of this
Speaker 2: stuff away. But then their stories like what we were
Speaker 2: just talking about, also that story, the story in four
Speaker 2: It was the end of the eighteen hundreds in Aurora, Texas,
Speaker 2: right if you want to google and look it up, Aurora, Texas.
Speaker 2: A craft supposedly crashed. They won't let anybody near and
Speaker 2: know what happened is that the people they they bury it. Nobody,
Speaker 2: they won't let anybody go near it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's it's it's crazy.
Speaker 2: So and what that does is it makes you suspicious
Speaker 2: tie as a human being. It's like, okay, well, why
Speaker 2: why can't I know about this? Why? So that's and
Speaker 2: then that's how the conspiracies occur, because then you believe
Speaker 2: because you know human beings are bullshitters and liars, and
Speaker 2: you know that you're being you assume you're being lied
Speaker 2: to because they refuse to tell you that it happened,
Speaker 2: or you know, they're not they're not willing to tell
Speaker 2: you that it happened, and I'll just tell you go
Speaker 2: about your date. Nothing, you know, like, yeah, naked gun,
Speaker 2: nothing here, at least disperse nothing.
Speaker 1: Have you heard of the Varginia Brazil?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Brazil? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you make that one? I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's weird, man, because you got the did they ever
Speaker 2: identify what was on the ball? Was it sanscript or
Speaker 2: what was the language that was on the ball itself?
Speaker 1: No? No, no, no, no no no, that's that's that
Speaker 1: is the buga sphere.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's okay, Yeah, that's right now. I'm talking about
Speaker 2: that Brazil in ninety six.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in ninety six where so the three girls, but
Speaker 1: they cordoned off like a lot of the area. And
Speaker 1: you know, the three girls I find to be because
Speaker 1: you know, the neuroscientists everyone spoke about this smell of sulfur, right,
Speaker 1: and then the girls when they see the being it is,
Speaker 1: it's got protrusions in its head, it's got red eyes.
Speaker 1: And you know when when Carlos Desusa and the farmers
Speaker 1: saw the craft going down, there was this white vapor
Speaker 1: coming out the back of the cigar shaped craft, and
Speaker 1: it was wobbling. It was clearly in trouble. Carlos was
Speaker 1: a pilot and he identified that there was a problem
Speaker 1: right away, so much so that he turned off because
Speaker 1: he was like, they are going to need help, right
Speaker 1: And the farmers see it coming down because it's coming
Speaker 1: down over their land and they see it wobbling and
Speaker 1: spewing out this vapor. So and there's also a river
Speaker 1: right there. There is a river close by the one
Speaker 1: that would go from the crash site all the way
Speaker 1: into our Genia, the city. So because I'm friends with
Speaker 1: some of the main researcher marco Leal who picked up
Speaker 1: the story, picked the ball up on the story and
Speaker 1: did the film with James Fox and all that. But
Speaker 1: the girls see the being and it's got red eyes,
Speaker 1: smells like sulfur, and it's got protrusions that make it
Speaker 1: seem like it has horns. Now what does that sound
Speaker 1: like to you?
Speaker 2: Well, two thousand years ago to people then it would
Speaker 2: have sounded like Satan.
Speaker 1: But also in South America where they're very culturally, they're
Speaker 1: very culturally religious. Yeah, they thought they saw a demon.
Speaker 2: That's why I said, Satan demon yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so but even in ninety six, they ran home
Speaker 1: thinking they saw a demon and then that smell of sulfur,
Speaker 1: So like, what if our ancestors mistook these beings? And
Speaker 1: the reason I think that the being was hiding because
Speaker 1: they had this slot, like thin layer of like something
Speaker 1: on them. And that's how the military guy died was
Speaker 1: he grabbed. So there was multiple beings and Marco shariz
Speaker 1: they were doing a patrol, him and Eric Lopes, and
Speaker 1: they were told to be on the lookout for anything
Speaker 1: weird and they're patrolling the city. They weren't even told. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they weren't told what it was. And they're just be
Speaker 1: on the lookover something weird and they're driving and then
Speaker 1: this thing runs in front of the car. So Marco
Speaker 1: gets out and he bear hugs it and he gets
Speaker 1: cut in the interaction, and he's bear hugging the thing
Speaker 1: but it's it's definitely injured and he's he holds it
Speaker 1: all the way to the hospital. They bring it into
Speaker 1: the hospital and then two weeks later, Marco Sharizi dies
Speaker 1: of a bacterial infection. That just doesn't make sense. They
Speaker 1: threw the kitchen sink at this guy and he just
Speaker 1: and he just his body rejected everything. So what it
Speaker 1: leads me to believe about the beings, if the beings,
Speaker 1: if everything is true, is that they're most likely aquatic
Speaker 1: being or they're from a star that is very old.
Speaker 2: And well, that particular being, that particular being.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the red eyes, the sulfuric smell, and the vapor
Speaker 1: that was coming out the back, and then the river,
Speaker 1: and they were hiding from the sun. When the girls
Speaker 1: saw the being, it was crouched away from the sun
Speaker 1: because it was it was December and it was really
Speaker 1: hot there because that's their summer, so it didn't the
Speaker 1: heat was clearly affecting it and making it weak. And
Speaker 1: they moved at night primarily, or they tried to move
Speaker 1: at night primarily. And I think they used the river
Speaker 1: to get to Virginia in the first place. That's beside
Speaker 1: the point. But I think our ancestors, what if they're
Speaker 1: seeing these things, and what if they are the beings
Speaker 1: that came here and and had relationships with our ancestors
Speaker 1: on a different level, on a closer contact level, and
Speaker 1: then they were you know what was actually technology is
Speaker 1: then spoken about like it's god god like, like a
Speaker 1: deity for all intentsive purpose it is, you know, and.
Speaker 2: When you're talking about them going you know, when you
Speaker 2: go back to the Betty and Barney Hill, you know,
Speaker 2: the most the most amazing thing about that story too,
Speaker 2: is that she was able to draw Zeta star map.
Speaker 1: Yep, what is it?
Speaker 2: What would this woman who knows? Probably who knows? I mean,
Speaker 2: you're two years into the Twilight Zone, the Honor Limits
Speaker 2: hasn't even shown up yet, you had a couple of
Speaker 2: Mars movies. What the hell would she know about Zaeta reticuli?
Speaker 2: And she draws this map and then a few years
Speaker 2: later under it most they reversed the map and Zeta reticuli.
Speaker 2: How is she going to know about that? You know?
Speaker 2: So that was another thing about her story that really
Speaker 2: pulls me in. But when you're talking about what people
Speaker 2: saw two thousand years, it goes back to what I like,
Speaker 2: I said, when you had a lamb in the fourteen hundreds,
Speaker 2: or if you had a car, somebody say, you know,
Speaker 2: they discover a car in fourteen fifty in the mountains somewhere.
Speaker 2: W knows what the hell they're looking at. You know,
Speaker 2: they don't know what it is. They won't even know,
Speaker 2: what do you touch it? What do you do?
Speaker 1: It?
Speaker 2: Doesn't believe they wouldn't know. Back then, nobody would have
Speaker 2: known what the hell they were looking at either, so
Speaker 2: I you know, And then all goes back to really
Speaker 2: having to have a seriously high threshold to prove any
Speaker 2: of this stuff because everybody thinks there's a boogeyman around
Speaker 2: the corner, and they're not necessarily one. But there are
Speaker 2: stories that you just cannot kissed right off man, right,
Speaker 2: you know, writing off you know that it is possible
Speaker 2: two thousand years ago, but today when someone you know,
Speaker 2: with someone like what you had experienced and you know,
Speaker 2: I don't even know, you know, with the dal with
Speaker 2: D M T. You know, I don't. It's weird. You know,
Speaker 2: well you experienced it. I never did, you know. But
Speaker 2: when you take back to Roger Corman's movies. Are you
Speaker 2: familiar with Roger Corman?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, think back to the Trip, right, everybody's everybody is,
Speaker 2: you know, popping troops and ascid and tripping out and
Speaker 2: doing LSD. Is it your mind that goes into hyper
Speaker 2: you know, goes into hyper gear or are you is
Speaker 2: that opening up your mind which then the energy from
Speaker 2: your mind is able to find another pathway, another dimension
Speaker 2: where you experience all of this stuff. It's it's hard
Speaker 2: to say, you know, it's hard to say whether it's
Speaker 2: your imagination in high gear or if you're really genuinely
Speaker 2: being transported, because whatever that is is now open up
Speaker 2: the pathway for your mind to go elsewhere. And Roger
Speaker 2: Corman's movies, you know some of them are you know,
Speaker 2: the Trip being one of them, and Gas was another one.
Speaker 2: And then you think back to Alice be Topeless with
Speaker 2: Peter Sellers, with the whole hippie culture and the drug
Speaker 2: culture makes you wonder about, you know what the reality
Speaker 2: we have now are we really can we really experience
Speaker 2: a different reality with different drugs. I'm not willing to
Speaker 2: try any of it, and I don't begrudge anybody who does.
Speaker 2: I really don't, you know, to each their own, man.
Speaker 2: I have a great friend who swears by it. You know,
Speaker 2: It's like, look, dude, you knock yourself to their own,
Speaker 2: To each their own, man, I don't think any different anybody.
Speaker 2: I drink Scotch. Lots of people look at me like
Speaker 2: I'm a tree headed alien. You drink scott I'm like, look,
Speaker 2: it's got to be single malt, nothing but single month.
Speaker 2: Want any of that JB ship from the sixties, No,
Speaker 2: thank you, Cutting Star. You know, it's got to be McCallen,
Speaker 2: single Malt. It's got to be. But it's got to
Speaker 2: be a call. But again to each their own, you know.
Speaker 2: And yeah, when it comes to this disclosure stuff, I
Speaker 2: really really hope that we can finally get to some truth.
Speaker 2: I hope the ship doesn't just blow over because we're
Speaker 2: we're at a real critical point with it. I don't
Speaker 2: really we're at a critical point because it's so out
Speaker 2: the open now. And that was the thing about you know,
Speaker 2: like the age of disclosure, right, A lot of people
Speaker 2: like you and I are deeper into this ship than
Speaker 2: the average person, you know what I mean. It's like
Speaker 2: a person who's in the real rock and roll, realid
Speaker 2: the Moody Blues fans. Yeah, you know, but the average
Speaker 2: person's like we I like Alesmith, I like Jimmy Hidvick.
Speaker 2: But when you get deeper into the rock stuff, you know,
Speaker 2: and the guys who are like Bowie and more of
Speaker 2: the more progressive stuff or if you want to that
Speaker 2: Genoesip or Rush or whatever, you know, versus the average
Speaker 2: rock and roller who was just into the brand names
Speaker 2: level yeah, and Agent disclosure you know, I call it,
Speaker 2: you know, the UFO movie for dummies because the average person,
Speaker 2: while we may know people who watch the show, maybe
Speaker 2: me deep in the Ship god Us, which great, the
Speaker 2: average person is too busy with their dayre living, so
Speaker 2: this isn't a focus of their their mind and when
Speaker 2: they do. It was produced to reach those people, not
Speaker 2: me and you, because we already know about a lot
Speaker 2: of this stuff. The average person had no clue. Think
Speaker 2: of how many people now what do they call them
Speaker 2: nornies or whatever? How many the average people are actually
Speaker 2: talking about it and curious about it now? So you
Speaker 2: get hit with agent disclosure right then you get hit
Speaker 2: with disclosure Day with Spie a virtual movie. Like it
Speaker 2: or not, I don't care. I mean I liked it.
Speaker 2: It was fine. I went there for the entertainment. Plus
Speaker 2: I wanted to see what he used as the foundation
Speaker 2: for his story versus the foundation I used for my story.
Speaker 2: And it was interesting, it was cool. And then S
Speaker 2: four you know, do you had Luigi on last week?
Speaker 5: Yes?
Speaker 2: I mean he and look I told you like I
Speaker 2: said Luigi reminded me of that just because he's Italian,
Speaker 2: but he reminded me a lot of me because he's like,
Speaker 2: what have I got to lose? I'm gonna give this
Speaker 2: guy a call. See what he says. Let's see what
Speaker 2: I mean. Might roll the dice. If you don't, look, man,
Speaker 2: if you don't roll the dice, you can't win, and
Speaker 2: you can't cramp out. You just sit there and watch
Speaker 2: the game. I don't like to watch the game. I
Speaker 2: want to play it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's a good point. That's and that Luigi
Speaker 1: is very much I mean, I don't think a lot
Speaker 1: of people realize like they call it like because afterwards
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't even believe it at first, but
Speaker 1: afterward I started going back and seeing it, and people
Speaker 1: do they call him like a grifter and stuff, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, he spent like almost three million
Speaker 1: dollars total on this movie.
Speaker 2: But that guy worked his ass off. He put a
Speaker 2: lot into that because he believed in it. That's right,
Speaker 2: because he believed. And you know, until you get a
Speaker 2: labor of love and put your time and your work
Speaker 2: in the ship, you don't, you don't. You don't get
Speaker 2: an opportunity to ship on someone who did, because usually
Speaker 2: the people are sit there and staring and passing judgment
Speaker 2: and a guy like that could kiss my ass.
Speaker 1: And honestly, most of the time they're just jealous of
Speaker 1: what you're doing because they.
Speaker 2: It's a shallow mindset though time. It's a shallow mindset
Speaker 2: that does that because they're not inquisitive enough to ask
Speaker 2: the questions or be curious enough to know about what
Speaker 2: his motivation was. Uh, you could see he put a
Speaker 2: lot into that man. Even in the interview, he was
Speaker 2: very passionate about it. You can't you can't pull off
Speaker 2: bullshit like that. He was. He was very passionate. He
Speaker 2: worked harder, he didn't think he was going to get it.
Speaker 2: He got more than even thought he was ever going
Speaker 2: to get. Opened his door to him, opened his family
Speaker 2: to him, they broke a little bread with each other.
Speaker 2: I mean, man, in all the years, you hope for
Speaker 2: something like that, if that's what your goal, what his
Speaker 2: goal was, and he not only achieved his goal, he
Speaker 2: surpassed it. Yeah, it was. It was a great interview,
Speaker 2: and it was you know, a lot of a lot
Speaker 2: of respect because again, I don't worship people. I admire achievements,
Speaker 2: and that's one hell of an achievement, especially to get
Speaker 2: the movie released. Because as you and I both know
Speaker 2: the movie industry, you know to me to be will
Speaker 2: give you forty seven cents for your movie. Great, my
Speaker 2: movie's on to me. Okay, great, good luck paying your actors.
Speaker 2: And if you did a you know, a sag low
Speaker 2: budget shit, you'll be eating you know, a star kissed,
Speaker 2: sharing it with a dog in his tuba in the
Speaker 2: alley because you won't make enough money to pay anything. Yeah,
Speaker 2: got that movie, not only to get it done, he
Speaker 2: got distribution. That man, that's that. It is not easy
Speaker 2: to do. There's a there's a lot of work that
Speaker 2: goes into once you're not only once you're done shooting,
Speaker 2: and you got to edit, and you got to get
Speaker 2: a distributor. To believe it, you get it distributed, and
Speaker 2: pray to God you can get your money back so
Speaker 2: you're not living like some bust out the rest of
Speaker 2: your life. It's a lot of work. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: he deserves to be commended for that.
Speaker 1: And that is not that's not grifting. That is a return.
Speaker 1: That is a that is like he said to me,
Speaker 1: which is it's an investment with no guarantee of return, right,
Speaker 1: no guarantee of return.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: He set out, made it and then had to go
Speaker 1: out and you know, display it and through it. You
Speaker 1: know that process. I know that process, but the general
Speaker 1: person doesn't know how hard it is and how much
Speaker 1: of a risk you are taking. He had told me,
Speaker 1: is I think in the interview, So I think it's
Speaker 1: okay to say he had told me that if that
Speaker 1: movie didn't work, he would have bankrupted his company.
Speaker 2: M hmm.
Speaker 1: That's a fucking drifter.
Speaker 2: No. And here's what people don't understand. Now that he's
Speaker 2: got a name. It's not like he came out of nowhere.
Speaker 2: He's been struggling trying to make shit happen for years.
Speaker 2: He finally made shit. People don't just come out of nowhere. Yes,
Speaker 2: there's years of that roller coaster ride behind them, years
Speaker 2: of failure. It almost could have happened.
Speaker 1: And I know close two, you know, and I know
Speaker 1: I know a couple of people that came out of
Speaker 1: nowhere that make me question.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, A Well, there's a lot of installed people
Speaker 2: in many, many parts of the world. They are installed.
Speaker 2: But for Luigi Luigi, but he you know, no yeah,
Speaker 2: not not Luigi for the rest saying his hands off
Speaker 2: to a guy like that, because and this is a
Speaker 2: dirty little secrets in the entertainment business, whether an actor,
Speaker 2: whether you're a writer, whether you're a singer, whatever, you
Speaker 2: ain't guaranteed to make dollar one, Okay. You need to
Speaker 2: appeal to massive amounts a massive amount of people to
Speaker 2: generate revenue, to generate income to live your life. If
Speaker 2: people don't dig what you're doing, then you become a
Speaker 2: miserable artist that people are stupid. They don't like that,
Speaker 2: and they're just not smart enough to like what I'm doing. No,
Speaker 2: that's just it. If you don't relate to people, you're
Speaker 2: not gonna make dollar one as an entertainer. That's it.
Speaker 2: That's the way the world works. I don't have to
Speaker 2: like what you do. You don't have to like what
Speaker 2: I do. Your life will be fine without me. My
Speaker 2: life will be fine without you. You know. As an artist,
Speaker 2: you're not guaranteed anything. And my mom told me that
Speaker 2: my mother was blessed when she was alive to be
Speaker 2: able to make a living as a professional singer as
Speaker 2: a jingle singer, background singer, studio session as session singer.
Speaker 2: You know, there's not a lot of people who are
Speaker 2: blessed to be able to do with they what they
Speaker 2: love to make a living. A lot of us are,
Speaker 2: you know, struggling actors. You know, I didn't want to
Speaker 2: be a struggling actor, so I really didn't chase it
Speaker 2: because I didn't want to know, as you know, I
Speaker 2: don't want to go through the weirdness of the entire industry.
Speaker 2: And whenever I got a part in something, the people
Speaker 2: would look at me like I was, you know, what,
Speaker 2: what is he doing here? Because I didn't hang out
Speaker 2: and help the legs of all the freaks in a
Speaker 2: state at some theater with a bunch of other starving artists.
Speaker 2: I'm not willing to do that, man, you know. And
Speaker 2: it doesn't make me or them good or bad, but
Speaker 2: it makes somebody who wants to look down at me
Speaker 2: because I choose not to do it. You know, they
Speaker 2: look at me, go, well, you should be here and
Speaker 2: they're working there and they craft. I'm like, I'm not
Speaker 2: chasing it, bro. You know you're chasing it. Good lucky.
Speaker 2: You may never catch it, and you're going to be
Speaker 2: better your entire life if you don't catch it. Being
Speaker 2: I you know, I bounce around and do a bunch
Speaker 2: of different things, and it's sad because there's you know,
Speaker 2: it's just there's only room for so much entertainment in
Speaker 2: people's lives.
Speaker 1: And that and that is what the competition is for now,
Speaker 1: with all the social media, with all the with all
Speaker 1: the the media, it's a game of how do we
Speaker 1: capture and keep people's attention for the longest amount of time.
Speaker 2: And then the algorithms are doing that now. Now the
Speaker 2: algorithms are doing that for people. Yeah, you know, it's
Speaker 2: if you put something up in an eight minutes, if
Speaker 2: it doesn't get thirty six clicks, the algorithm already passed
Speaker 2: your by.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's determined. It's determined that this post is not
Speaker 1: worthy of engagement.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's you talk about the ultimate miserable wiki. That's
Speaker 2: what the algorithm is. It's a sick, demented quikiss me off.
Speaker 2: Because if it doesn't, you can have the greatest content
Speaker 2: on the face of the earth. If the algorithm doesn't
Speaker 2: pick it up, you ain't going nowhere. That's a shame.
Speaker 2: It's like, look on YouTube or Facebook. Okay, you can
Speaker 2: have fifteen thousand people following you on Facebook, you put
Speaker 2: a post out and you get nine people engage in it, right,
Speaker 2: But then Facebook all of a sudden will say, hey,
Speaker 2: how'd you like to boost this post? It's like, why
Speaker 2: did I want to? I have fifteen thousand.
Speaker 1: They're selling fucking clicks to you.
Speaker 2: Well, it's like, why would I pay you to reach
Speaker 2: these fifteen thousand people already said they want to see
Speaker 2: what I'm posting? Why do I need to pay you for?
Speaker 2: I built your frigging PlantForm? You have low life, maggot.
Speaker 1: That is one of the craziest things. By the way, Yes,
Speaker 1: I'm surprised that someone hasn't mentioned that sooner. You're the
Speaker 1: first person to bring that up. That is fucking I
Speaker 1: was there at the beginning.
Speaker 2: I was there at the beginning, so I know what
Speaker 2: they did. That's why I always.
Speaker 1: Mentioned it, right, they're model. Essentially, what they're telling you
Speaker 1: is is that you know, like the dopamine, it hits
Speaker 1: you get when like someone likes something, and like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're they're selling that now essentially right, like oh, we'll
Speaker 1: get you know, pay ten bucks and we'll we'll get
Speaker 1: you know, guarantee that you'll get this many fucking likes
Speaker 1: and dopamine dings like it's crazy. It's all right.
Speaker 2: There, Look and think about this. The CPM you're for,
Speaker 2: people are watching a CPM has cost per magagine. So yeah,
Speaker 2: so for every thousand. Here's how it works for you know,
Speaker 2: the way it used to work for audio ad insertion
Speaker 2: when I work with lightning cash.
Speaker 1: Now it's said's still this.
Speaker 2: You know, we developed the actual ad insarch and technology
Speaker 2: with lightning cast peck and around to say ninety seven
Speaker 2: ninety eight, which inserts the audio ads in the audio streams.
Speaker 2: And then that the lightning Cast sold out to AOL.
Speaker 2: I can't think it was maybe two thousand and one,
Speaker 2: two thousand and two, you can look it up. Anyways,
Speaker 2: the CPM, it's costs per thousand, for lack of a
Speaker 2: better term. So say I got ten bucks and you're
Speaker 2: gonna charge me ten dollars to reach a thousand people.
Speaker 2: So I give you ten bucks. Your system keeps delivering
Speaker 2: the ads till I get to a thousand people. That's it.
Speaker 2: So a thousand people will get my commercial for ten
Speaker 2: bucks or my banner ad or whatever it is. Well,
Speaker 2: now the way this shit works like on Facebook, Hey,
Speaker 2: how would you like to reach one hundred and fifteen
Speaker 2: people for twenty two dollars. I'm to break that down.
Speaker 2: CPM is astronomical. The CPMs have gone in reverse. They
Speaker 2: shouldn't have gone up, but they have jacked everything to
Speaker 2: the mood. And remember you as you you are watching this,
Speaker 2: you're the ones who built the We all built YouTube.
Speaker 2: The YouTube basically started out as a legal, illegal bootlegging operation.
Speaker 2: And because the record labels and the movie and the
Speaker 2: studios were all asleep at the wheel, and the bean
Speaker 2: collars were too busy in the closet playing circle jerk
Speaker 2: with each other, they missed the whole thing. Yes, they
Speaker 2: got so big because it changed, you know, there was
Speaker 2: a paradigm shift and how media is now delivered to people.
Speaker 2: The same thing with Napster. They missed the whole book.
Speaker 2: All the record companies had to do was saying, okay,
Speaker 2: this is cool. That's all five the major labels. We're
Speaker 2: going to buy an ampster and this is how we're
Speaker 2: going to distribute technology. No, rather than do that, they
Speaker 2: focked the technology. You got the rass is handed to
Speaker 2: them because it didn't matter anymore. They couldn't do anything
Speaker 2: to stop the technology because there's a million people creating
Speaker 2: all of these technologies that made things easier and better
Speaker 2: for people, and the gatekeepers couldn't hold it back. Same
Speaker 2: thing with YouTube. When YouTube comes along, all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: people are uploading you know, Bob Seinger and you know video,
Speaker 2: the video that. So before you know, there's one hundred
Speaker 2: and fifty million videos. There's nothing stopping the stuff and
Speaker 2: going up. Yep, because you're talking two thousand and four,
Speaker 2: two thousand and five. Well, YouTube gets launched. Whenever it
Speaker 2: gets launched, none of the systems were there to protect.
Speaker 2: So what you can do. You're going to people, you
Speaker 2: got three billion people now using YouTube, you know something
Speaker 2: was YouTube anymore and take it down. No, they had
Speaker 2: to create the deals well based on percentages or you know,
Speaker 2: per play person, and people built YouTube. People built all
Speaker 2: of it. They built MySpace, they built the the chat
Speaker 2: rooms and the groups and Aol and we all sit
Speaker 2: here and pay for it. It's unbelievable. Apple Music did
Speaker 2: the same thing with all the radio stations, and we
Speaker 2: were in streaming and they had addicted to radio and
Speaker 2: club dot FM, Windows Media. They hoard everybody out in
Speaker 2: the beginning, and then once they developed and then once
Speaker 2: after the two thousand and seven s WA small podcasters,
Speaker 2: they came along, they screwed every independent streamer, put their
Speaker 2: own stations in, and everybody got knocked out the box.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It's the way that they operate is you build the
Speaker 2: content and then they turn around and stick the knife
Speaker 2: in your back. And that's what they're doing right now
Speaker 2: with the social media platforms. The years I worked with
Speaker 2: Hulu before Hulu was even Hulu.
Speaker 1: Right now it's being absorbed by Disney, and Disney's dissolving it.
Speaker 2: Well, look at Roku Roku just Fox just bought Roku
Speaker 2: for twenty two billion.
Speaker 1: But isn't Fox owned by Disney as well?
Speaker 2: No, no, Fox, it's own. They just bought Roku for
Speaker 2: twenty two billion, and mark my words. You know, look,
Speaker 2: this is the way the world works. You could either
Speaker 2: fight it or figure out a way on how to
Speaker 2: profit from it, because you ain't gonna stop any of
Speaker 2: this shift from happening. The vertical drama platforms, there's about
Speaker 2: five of them that are tops right now. There's Pine
Speaker 2: Pine Box, which is Teak Tiktoks. There's Candy Jar, There's
Speaker 2: Real Drama, Real Shorts, Drama Box, a couple others. They're
Speaker 2: sucking in all of these productions, all these vertical platform productions.
Speaker 2: If you know the vertical platform is there the two
Speaker 2: and a half minutes of video about forty fifty episodes
Speaker 2: at hook and Hooky and Hooki, and you watch them,
Speaker 2: you pay to keep watching them. It's about an eight
Speaker 2: billion dollar industry now within three years, So mark my words.
Speaker 2: In the next year or two, Amazon, somebody's gonna come
Speaker 2: along and say, hey, Drama Box, here, bring billion dollars
Speaker 2: we want to buy you. Guess what, all those people
Speaker 2: who signed production deals, you ain't getting a shit. You
Speaker 2: get nothing because you didn't sign. If you didn't sign
Speaker 2: the structure your deal, right, they own you. They own
Speaker 2: your production. Or you were just a work for hire
Speaker 2: producer and the way hire actor who came in you
Speaker 2: got paid the ULB ultra low budget whatever the shit
Speaker 2: is now they call it it SAG. You got screwed
Speaker 2: and you as a producer, they might have paid your
Speaker 2: twenty grand, but guess what, Forty of your jobs are
Speaker 2: sitting up on one of them platforms that just sold
Speaker 2: out for three billion dollars and they gave you a
Speaker 2: subsam you made a you got a sub sandwich and
Speaker 2: a bowl of soup. That's what you have for your work. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's it. It's gonna happen the way it's gonna happen. Well,
Speaker 2: I'm at the point, like with the vertical dramas, I
Speaker 2: would love to turn Hitting Powers Disclosure from Within into
Speaker 2: a vertical drama, but not right now. The book is
Speaker 2: coming out in the next month and a half. But
Speaker 2: I do have two other shows that I've sold to
Speaker 2: these platforms, and I retain ownership of the shows.
Speaker 1: Right, So you're talking about like the Master.
Speaker 2: Well, I own the show. So if they sell, if
Speaker 2: they sell the network, they have a choice. Whoever buys
Speaker 2: it can buy buy the show for me, or they
Speaker 2: can just shed it. Exactly. It's all We're taking it
Speaker 2: off the network. Okay, oh thanks, I got my money
Speaker 2: out of it.
Speaker 1: I don't care, right, but I'm not.
Speaker 2: I mean, you build an entire platform like Facebook and
Speaker 2: YouTube and a lot of people. You know, if you're
Speaker 2: watching and you guys are into this production, you've got
Speaker 2: to be really cognizant of this stuff. If you're in,
Speaker 2: don't let these people steal your work for pennies and
Speaker 2: a dollar. Man, don't do it to yourself. Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: what Atlantic Records did back in forty eight. When I'm
Speaker 2: in his brother I haven't again and his brother they're
Speaker 2: driving around the South buying, you know, whole catalogs from
Speaker 2: recording artists of music for fifty cents fifty cents per
Speaker 2: per song. So now they build up this huge catalog, right,
Speaker 2: and then Atlamic Records becomes you know, the end all
Speaker 2: be all. You got Aretha Franklin, you got all these
Speaker 2: other artists and they and they own all of these
Speaker 2: catalogs of music they want and bought it from people
Speaker 2: who were struggling. They gave them pennies on the dollar,
Speaker 2: and it made them worth billions of dollars. I don't
Speaker 2: begrudge anybody for honestly, I don't because you have a
Speaker 2: right to do that. But you should also have a
Speaker 2: right to know what I'm telling you, to be on
Speaker 2: the lookout for that stuff, right. You don't want to
Speaker 2: get you don't want to get screwed. You know, why
Speaker 2: would you want to make somebody else? Sometimes the amount
Speaker 2: of money you make off of your work.
Speaker 1: Which exactly exactly, and that's the moral of it. Like
Speaker 1: the recording artists got fucked. The you know, the writers
Speaker 1: get fucked anyone who's not the CEO. And like, you know, again,
Speaker 1: we can talk about the inner circles. Right, the closer
Speaker 1: you are, it's up.
Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, But Peter, look remember Ty, you and
Speaker 2: I we can argue both sides of any argument. Right,
Speaker 2: but go to the artist side. Let's go to the
Speaker 2: recording artist. Right. The record label comes to me as
Speaker 2: an artist and says, OK, we're gonna sign you. We're
Speaker 2: gonna give you an eight hundred thousand dollars advance. Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give you a hundred grand up front. You're
Speaker 2: gonna report in our studios. You're gonna report it, and
Speaker 2: we're gonna discount you in our studios. So instead of
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty an hour, you're only gonna pay
Speaker 2: seventy an hour in our studio. So we gave you
Speaker 2: eight hundred. Now you're racking up the studio. Then you
Speaker 2: tell the Then you say, hey, I need chicks, I
Speaker 2: need to do some blow. I need a big party,
Speaker 2: I need an entourage, I need limos. Well, next thing,
Speaker 2: you know, you got to go back to the label
Speaker 2: and say, hey, man, I need another two hundred and
Speaker 2: fifty thousand. Now you are into the label. Who is
Speaker 2: your banker? They said, what do you do? Would you
Speaker 2: give some but one point one point five million dollars
Speaker 2: on one million dollars? Would say, just pay me back
Speaker 2: whenever you can. No, you would, Nobody would do that.
Speaker 2: So now the artist is and what they call recoop.
Speaker 2: So now you're in recoop. You owe the label a
Speaker 2: million dollars. So before they even give you dollar one
Speaker 2: from your sales, you got to pay them back.
Speaker 1: And you've oh, you're yeah you That's what happened with
Speaker 1: Drake at Artists because most recently Drake and I don't
Speaker 1: like Drake, I really don't care for him. But so
Speaker 1: he was contractually obligated for like three more albums, right,
Speaker 1: and he instead of just like you know, over the
Speaker 1: next six years doing one album every two years.
Speaker 2: He got enough ship, and he got enough ship in
Speaker 2: the vault where you can spin them out in an hour.
Speaker 1: He fucking put three albums together and dropped it all
Speaker 1: at once, took his masters and went independent.
Speaker 2: Hm. That was you can do that when you're drink.
Speaker 1: You can't do that, right, right, you can't do that?
Speaker 2: And I can't do that, but he can do that, right, right,
Speaker 2: It's easy to be a saint when you were a
Speaker 2: sinner before.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right now, like the artists are are realizing that
Speaker 1: the masters are where the money is.
Speaker 2: Money. You got to own your work exactly work, you
Speaker 2: have to, and you can't put yourself in a compromising,
Speaker 2: compromising position where you owe them tons and tons of money,
Speaker 2: where you can ever get your work back. That's your work.
Speaker 2: So here's an idea. Quit banging hookers, quit renting limos,
Speaker 2: Quit drinking sixty five thousand dollars bottles of champagne. You
Speaker 2: don't need to snort a mountain of blow every week
Speaker 2: to go do a party at some Medim festival. And
Speaker 2: why don't you try and hang on the sum of
Speaker 2: your money. See, that's the other side of the coin.
Speaker 2: We went through that. I went through this with when
Speaker 2: we had SOS Records and the head of artists who
Speaker 2: was lost in Russia.
Speaker 1: In Russia, Oh that's good to be lost.
Speaker 2: Spent a ton of money and it's like, look, okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: we're fronting you the money, but you're paying your bad
Speaker 2: This is I didn't tell you to spend sixty five
Speaker 2: thousand dollars on that at thirty thousand. You chose to
Speaker 2: do that, so you got to We'll give it to you,
Speaker 2: but you got to pay us back. So, like I said,
Speaker 2: you can argue both side. There's artists who are wonderful
Speaker 2: who never did any of that shit. You got screwed, dude.
Speaker 2: Every situation is unique. Same thing with writers and authors.
Speaker 2: If you sign a bad deal with a publisher, if
Speaker 2: anywhere into the arts, anywhere where you produce something that
Speaker 2: someone else is going to release for you, you have
Speaker 2: to carefully craft that deal so you benefit from it
Speaker 2: and you're never behind the eight ball on it.
Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely, So as we wrap up, as we wrap
Speaker 1: up here, you've done obviously you've done, you know with
Speaker 1: this new project, Hidden Powers Disclosure from Within. It's you said,
Speaker 1: it's coming out in a couple of months about it.
Speaker 2: Right now, I'm waiting for the final cover graphic and
Speaker 2: then I'll get you know, the publisher and I are
Speaker 2: waiting and then one step then the publish, and ill
Speaker 2: we get ready for launch hopefully end of July. I
Speaker 2: think it looks like the end of July. So paper
Speaker 2: backed cardbook, ebook and audiobook.
Speaker 1: Okay, And so this is a.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: I mean what it says is it's hidden powers, disclosure
Speaker 1: from within is it's a political sci fi thriller U
Speaker 1: that explores global control, alien disclosure, and the hidden systems
Speaker 1: that operate behind uh the scenes to control how we think,
Speaker 1: what we think, and why we think the way we do,
Speaker 1: and that it's all controlled. Is there anything else that
Speaker 1: you want people to know about the book before it
Speaker 1: comes out?
Speaker 2: No, I mean there's you know, originally I wrote this
Speaker 2: as a script, believe it or not.
Speaker 1: I was written as a script, and I did as
Speaker 1: like as a movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I wrote it as a script for a feature.
Speaker 2: And then I was a trying crowd source. But something
Speaker 2: like this, I'm not raising a hundred million dollars. It's
Speaker 2: just not gonna happen. That's how I felt. And as
Speaker 2: I looked at it, and I had some friends look
Speaker 2: at it, he said, Man, I really want to write
Speaker 2: more about this person. I want to know more about
Speaker 2: this person. So I got deeper. I figured, Okay, I'm
Speaker 2: going to write this as a book because I wanted
Speaker 2: to get deeper into the characters, deeper into Sarah, deeper
Speaker 2: into Victoria, deeper into Pint Dalmar deeper in the well
Speaker 2: dound shows, deeper into these characters, deeper in the president
Speaker 2: of the US at that time and the premier in China.
Speaker 2: I wanted to get deeper into their mindset. I wanted
Speaker 2: to get deeper into the arguments that I thought that
Speaker 2: are you was the nineteen fifty four supposed meeting with
Speaker 2: Truman at Hollom and with.
Speaker 1: I know, you know, I just recently had his grand
Speaker 1: great granddaughter on yea, Laura La Laura.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's oh god, yeah, yeah, yeah, and she's always
Speaker 2: she's very.
Speaker 1: Active on so she is very active.
Speaker 2: But I I used that as the foundation. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: like Disclosure Day has its foundation. I had a foundation,
Speaker 2: and I built a series of what ifs, what if
Speaker 2: because I thought to myself, holy shit, can you imagine
Speaker 2: if that really did happen, and that the Nordics and
Speaker 2: the Grays come to present their idea to not only Ike,
Speaker 2: to Ike, but to the military brass, to the intelligencia
Speaker 2: that was there in the industry that Ike would have
Speaker 2: brought with him to this meeting. And then I mean,
Speaker 2: you know, if those of you are familiar, if you're
Speaker 2: familiar with the Federalist papers and those conversations when they
Speaker 2: went back and forth, the deep, deep conversations and the
Speaker 2: federalist papers about the best way to govern. I thought, wow,
Speaker 2: could you imagine the conversations that these guys would have
Speaker 2: all had with each other in nineteen fifty four if
Speaker 2: this did happen, when they all went off on their
Speaker 2: own little corner to talk about Okay, here's what the
Speaker 2: Gray said, here's what the Nordic said. I thought, holy shit,
Speaker 2: to you, those conversations would have been. So I would
Speaker 2: have been given anything to be a fly in the
Speaker 2: law for that one. Literally, you know, because these are deep, deep,
Speaker 2: deep decisions that they would have that they're going to
Speaker 2: have to make, that they know are going to affect
Speaker 2: the world going forward. So I used that as the basis,
Speaker 2: and then I used them a couple of other things,
Speaker 2: sprinkling a little of this, a little that, And disclosure
Speaker 2: from within means that somebody on the inside, who was
Speaker 2: so deeply rooted in the knowledge of anything is the
Speaker 2: one is the one who discloses. So the disclosure, just
Speaker 2: like I believe today, it has to come from within.
Speaker 2: It has to come from somebody who you It's unquestionable.
Speaker 2: And even then there'll still be questioned. So parallels between
Speaker 2: what we were talking about tonight and what I wrote
Speaker 2: into the book.
Speaker 1: I love that. So it's it's it's arguably like you're
Speaker 1: taking real events and you know, then filling in gaps.
Speaker 2: Of what ifs if they call it speculative fiction.
Speaker 1: Yeah, speculative fiction.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. And what I did is I actually had
Speaker 2: two trailers made the uh you have time? Can you
Speaker 2: run that one trailer?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, go all the way to the bottom of
Speaker 2: that page, the Sala Model Hidden Powers page.
Speaker 1: Oh there's two videos.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you go all the way to the bottom,
Speaker 2: let me see you hang out time.
Speaker 1: I got it, I got it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the one, the one that's on the right. Teaser
Speaker 2: trailer too. Okay, you'll see teaser trailer one, teaser trailer too.
Speaker 1: So and then you want you want trailer one?
Speaker 2: No trailer too, teaser trailer too.
Speaker 1: All right, here we go put it full screen. Oh god,
Speaker 1: I'm getting all turned around here.
Speaker 2: I can see it on the screen.
Speaker 1: That's what I wanted to do. Get the bar out. Okay,
Speaker 1: let me know if you can you can hear good?
Speaker 1: Can you hear it?
Speaker 3: For seventy years they called us paranoid told us to
Speaker 3: trust the system, trust the science, trust our leaders, while
Speaker 3: they buried the truth until investigative journalist Sarah.
Speaker 6: Moore uncovered what they never wanted us to see. On
Speaker 6: October seventeenth, twenty twenty six, whistleblower Victoria Sterling stepped forward
Speaker 6: and proved every conspiracy was real, every single.
Speaker 2: Bit of it.
Speaker 5: The suppressed cures, the hidden energy technologies, the silenced inventors,
Speaker 5: the cures for diseases, the answers to our greatest problems,
Speaker 5: all buried because those in control believed we needed to
Speaker 5: be managed. In nineteen fifty four, two alien species arrived.
Speaker 5: One offered partnership, the other offered power used to treat
Speaker 5: humanity life. It's OK, yeah, it's trillion dollars missing. Seventy
Speaker 5: years of lies, control and engineered suffering finally exposed.
Speaker 2: They say the truth will set us free? Will it?
Speaker 2: The world erupted.
Speaker 5: People were terrified, turning to each other and on each other.
Speaker 5: Economies imploded, institutions crumbled, and then, even with undeniable proof,
Speaker 5: millions still refused to believe it. Decades of conditioning didn't
Speaker 5: just blind people, It made them loyal to the very
Speaker 5: powers that owned them. They defended their cages and their
Speaker 5: owners because they believed their cages were freedom. What happens
Speaker 5: when we learn our entire lives were manufactured, When the
Speaker 5: heroes we trusted betrayed us, When those who were supposed
Speaker 5: to serve us serve themselves, When we finally realized that wars, diseases,
Speaker 5: and famines were engineered by those who profited from it all?
Speaker 5: Can we survive the truth if we were never meant
Speaker 5: to know about it?
Speaker 1: Some of you are ready to fight, some think for
Speaker 1: the enemy, some no longer know what to believe.
Speaker 2: I understand.
Speaker 5: For seventy years we were conditioned to mistake slavery for freedom.
Speaker 5: But together we will make sure that never happens again
Speaker 5: and build a bridge to a better way of life
Speaker 5: with liberty, justice, and freedom for all. When all the
Speaker 5: conspiracies become reality, will the truth really set us free?
Speaker 3: Hidden Powers a new book by Sala Motto scheduled for
Speaker 3: release in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 1: See that's what I wish that to Disclosure Day was
Speaker 1: like where it actually explored the disclosure and it wasn't.
Speaker 2: So. Yeah that was not to do with spoiler alert.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. I agree, that's you know, but you know,
Speaker 2: I'm happy too because that means turned I'm on the
Speaker 2: right track because mine is completely different. So I'm good.
Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, his was his, Mine was mine, and uh,
Speaker 2: you know cover definitely.
Speaker 1: We should definitely look into uh making that, making that
Speaker 1: like uh an actual feature film one day. That that
Speaker 1: would be a good feature film. I think you got
Speaker 1: I mean the way you originally wrote it as well.
Speaker 1: Now now it's got source material from the book, but
Speaker 1: you know, that's that's great. I think it's a great
Speaker 1: starting point and I think I think that would be
Speaker 1: a great, great read.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was really you know, I did about thirty
Speaker 2: edits of it. You know, by the time I you know,
Speaker 2: when you're writing, you're forever changing things. You know, it
Speaker 2: goes this direction. And and I kept emailing, you know,
Speaker 2: I would email my mom and then I honestly I
Speaker 2: had about probably had about seventy beta readers once it
Speaker 2: was finished. I had about seventy beta readers, and they
Speaker 2: were from all different walks of life, all different points
Speaker 2: of curiosity. And I said, look, don't sugarcoat it. If
Speaker 2: you think it sucks, ass, tell me, I don't you know,
Speaker 2: You're not going to hurt my feelings. When I was
Speaker 2: an actor, you know, you go for ten auditions a month.
Speaker 2: You're lucky if you get one every other month. So
Speaker 2: don't worry about hurt my feelings. It's not going to
Speaker 2: happen here.
Speaker 1: Actually, it's more constructive if you actually know the truth.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. It's like everybody seeing coming to units and inner
Speaker 2: people said, it's not really my thing. But man, it
Speaker 2: was a really cool story, but it's not really my thing. Okay, thanks.
Speaker 2: But by the time I got to the final edit,
Speaker 2: my mom had got really sick. And that's when things
Speaker 2: started accelerating, because then I thought I was going to
Speaker 2: have to put it out on my own. But then
Speaker 2: I got a published. I was querying agents and I
Speaker 2: gave myself to the end of January twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2: From October to January, I queried a bunch of agents
Speaker 2: and if I don't land an agent, I'm going to
Speaker 2: have to release it on my own. Unfortunately, there was
Speaker 2: a publisher who saw one of the trailers, got interested
Speaker 2: and I landed a publisher for it. But my mom
Speaker 2: had passed away on New Year's Day and never got
Speaker 2: a chance to see the final editor. Thanks, and I'm
Speaker 2: hoping you know, I'm thinking, okay, so this is your way.
Speaker 2: You got me a deal. Thank you. Now I got
Speaker 2: to do something with it. Or I could just be
Speaker 2: imagining shit too. I don't know, but I know what
Speaker 2: I want to think.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I actually this show was born from my mother's
Speaker 1: last moments on earth. So I I'm hard.
Speaker 2: It's hard to go.
Speaker 1: Her death date is four three two one, and in
Speaker 1: the room I was holding her hand while she passed.
Speaker 2: And then.
Speaker 1: This orb thing. I don't know if it was real.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was just me imagining something
Speaker 1: to ease the whatever was happening. But I saw this
Speaker 1: ball softball sized thing and it looked like you ever
Speaker 1: you ever looked up a highway on a hot day
Speaker 1: and seeing that dispersion blur Yeah, yeah, So ball that
Speaker 1: up into like a softball, and so it crosses my
Speaker 1: field of vision and then hooks, so it does the
Speaker 1: length of the room, So it crosses my field division
Speaker 1: and then the length I mean the width of the
Speaker 1: room goes out, goes out the window, and then I
Speaker 1: did it. I can't see it any longer because it's
Speaker 1: it's just now. Now it's masked by all the environment
Speaker 1: outside of the house. And when I looked back, my
Speaker 1: mother is gone, like she had gone. So did I
Speaker 1: see through the veil for a moment? Did I witness
Speaker 1: her leaving? Did I imagine it? All I can tell
Speaker 1: you is it was like her one last way of
Speaker 1: pushing me because at the time I was doing the podcast,
Speaker 1: but I wasn't doing this podcast. I was doing them,
Speaker 1: you know, still in the film industry. I was sober,
Speaker 1: but I wasn't happy, And it was almost like her
Speaker 1: she she's she was also there for my UFO sighting.
Speaker 1: It's it's a long story I don't want to get into,
Speaker 1: but she she's always was my north star, even during sobriety,
Speaker 1: like even during all that, she was always my north star.
Speaker 1: And it was like her last nudge. She always had
Speaker 1: the saying and she was like it was a variation
Speaker 1: of like, if you love what you do, you'll never
Speaker 1: work a day in your life. She always had this
Speaker 1: variation on it where she would say, you got to
Speaker 1: find the questions that you want answered and then chase
Speaker 1: it down. And that's it was like her last way
Speaker 1: of saying, you know that the questions you have fucking
Speaker 1: go chase them and now, so when she took her
Speaker 1: last breath, Unfortunately, total disclosure was born because I you know,
Speaker 1: it wasn't I mean, honestly, it was a couple of
Speaker 1: days later that it came to me. But it was
Speaker 1: because of that that I was like, fuck this, I'm
Speaker 1: leaving Hollywood completely behind, and I'm gonna go seek, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go and now I'm now I'm here. I've been
Speaker 1: in situations, sal I'm not trying to bat brag or
Speaker 1: boast or anything like that, but I've been in situations.
Speaker 1: I've walked my mother post. I have ashes of hers
Speaker 1: that should be right around here actually somewhere, oh the radio.
Speaker 1: So it's a necklace, but the necklace actually broke. But
Speaker 1: I've worn this necklace with her ashes in it that
Speaker 1: my sister created or got made after she passed. I've
Speaker 1: walked her into the halls of Congress, into I've walked
Speaker 1: nuclear controllers from like the nineteen sixty seven Malmstroom case,
Speaker 1: Robert Sallas, who's a good friend of mine. I was
Speaker 1: able to get a meeting with Nancy Mace, who chaired
Speaker 1: the hearing that day, and I yielded my time with her,
Speaker 1: and I allowed Bob to in turn brief her on
Speaker 1: the sixty seven case. And no one in fifty years
Speaker 1: or thirty years. It was fifty years ago, but he's
Speaker 1: been out for thirty No one in thirty years had
Speaker 1: ever thought to get him in front of a sitting
Speaker 1: member of Congress to tell his story. So, you know,
Speaker 1: I've been and then I've just as long as I
Speaker 1: keep doing the next right thing. I'm in the next
Speaker 1: right place. I'm in the next you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So she put me on this path, is my That
Speaker 1: is ultimately what I think.
Speaker 2: And that yeah, yeah, like you my mom was my
Speaker 2: biggest fan. You know, it's like for my wife of tours.
Speaker 2: But and that's you know, they put you on there.
Speaker 2: I think your mom put me on that path. Definitely.
Speaker 2: I think my mom put me on my path. And
Speaker 2: the same thing. It's up to you. Now you go
Speaker 2: do it. You know, you gotta do it. Do it.
Speaker 2: I mean, I got you. Here's the direction for that
Speaker 2: way we do it right right with you know, with
Speaker 2: my mom, the we didn't see it coming at all,
Speaker 2: and she got really, you know, she was really She
Speaker 2: went in on December eleventh, and it's weird here because
Speaker 2: we're both in the entertainment industry. We never got a
Speaker 2: chance to spend a New Year's Eve with each other.
Speaker 2: Did we able to LEAs spend New Years with your mom?
Speaker 2: And any time through the years?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I see my.
Speaker 2: Mom she was either working or I was working, So
Speaker 2: we never I mean not since even when I was
Speaker 2: like five and six years old, she was still singing
Speaker 2: club gigs. I was with my hear right, my cousins
Speaker 2: when I was a little guy, you know, So never
Speaker 2: really got to spend New Years with her. And on
Speaker 2: New Year's Eve, it was my brother and me. We're
Speaker 2: at the hospital and I'm sitting on one side like that.
Speaker 2: She's in hospice, and we were I'm thinking to myself,
Speaker 2: you know, what kind of fucking joke is this? Man?
Speaker 2: This is some cool shit. I never get a chance
Speaker 2: to spend a New Year's ever with my mother, And
Speaker 2: here I am New Year's Eve and with my mother,
Speaker 2: and this was probably gonna be here last day, so
Speaker 2: it's not like we could have even done anything celebrated.
Speaker 2: So I figured out at least I'm here. And then
Speaker 2: at about five five we had dozed off and the
Speaker 2: nurses came in and yeah, gentlemen, your mother has gone
Speaker 2: and she's passed. But I got to spend in New
Speaker 2: Year's Eve with her, so it wasn't the way I
Speaker 2: planned it. Yeah, but I'm thinking, you know, once the
Speaker 2: book once I had, you know, she never I'm sure
Speaker 2: she's read the book by now.
Speaker 1: You know she got an advanced copy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, she got to read it when I wasn't.
Speaker 2: But when I was writing it, I would send her
Speaker 2: a different ed and she'd say, oh my god, Salvatory,
Speaker 2: Which version am I reading? Now? I'm telling all this one.
Speaker 2: I didn't like these chapters. I pick up at this
Speaker 2: chapter here because when you know, I'm my heartest critic, man,
Speaker 2: I am. I look at ship that I've done and
Speaker 2: people think it was great or wonderful.
Speaker 1: And I look in the guard you nuts, Yeah, You're like, no,
Speaker 1: that sucked.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I'm very hard on myself. And as I said,
Speaker 2: I don't feel like I've and where I want to go.
Speaker 2: And I'm hoping that so this will finally off like
Speaker 2: I achieved something, you know, when I became a stockbroker
Speaker 2: years ago and another life, believe it or not, tie,
Speaker 2: I passed my seven nobody sixty three, And I only
Speaker 2: did it because I refuse to believe that people went
Speaker 2: to college were any smarter than me.
Speaker 1: Heyeotype.
Speaker 2: And you know I got I passed my series seven
Speaker 2: and then blink them an eyelands, same thing with a
Speaker 2: sixty three and the twenty two, And that was a
Speaker 2: whole other life at all, And I felt like I
Speaker 2: achieved something. I was twenty three. I'm a stockbroker. But
Speaker 2: then I was very disillusioned by the entire industry out
Speaker 2: like anything. Man, I don't have I don't operate well
Speaker 2: with piece of shit people running things. I just don't.
Speaker 2: I get to the point where I opened my mouth
Speaker 2: and tell them what I really think and they're not
Speaker 2: used to getting a verbal assault like that. It doesn't
Speaker 2: work out well. And then I just go my own
Speaker 2: way and going to another area. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2: It's hard to take it's hard to take orders from
Speaker 2: idiots tight really yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well I would love to. I'd love
Speaker 1: to have you back on on a panel or you know,
Speaker 1: just another one, talk about the book when it comes out. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: you're a really fun guy to to bounce things off of.
Speaker 1: And I really appreciate uh, you know, being able to
Speaker 1: flow with the discussion. So uh, Sally, you always have
Speaker 1: a welcome door, open door here at a toll disclosure.
Speaker 1: Where can people find the book? I do have the
Speaker 1: link in the description below for the website, but where
Speaker 1: can people find you and keep up with everything you're doing?
Speaker 1: And YadA?
Speaker 2: My website is sell amodel dot com. You'll see everything
Speaker 2: I'm working on, what I've worked on Instagram. It's sell
Speaker 2: in Chicago. You know, it's weird, ty, I never had
Speaker 2: an Instagram for myself, like I run the WBMA. You know,
Speaker 2: you had a w BMX in Boston for years by
Speaker 2: you you know what I mean. But originally WBMX was
Speaker 2: here in Chicago, and that's where all the house music
Speaker 2: stuff started was at W one or two point seven
Speaker 2: FM BMX back in the eighties with house and in
Speaker 2: the Hot Mix five and the mixes and all that.
Speaker 2: So off started at BMX. So I used to run
Speaker 2: the website. I run the group page and I've got
Speaker 2: you know, I've always had group pages because that's how
Speaker 2: I would use my group pages the market, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. So I had the B ninety six
Speaker 2: group page on TikTok. I've got my back in the
Speaker 2: day group. It's got about twenty five thousand people there.
Speaker 2: But I never had an Instagram for myself, so I said, oh,
Speaker 2: it's like, holy shit, I forgot all about this chick
Speaker 2: my own ans little more on. So I started up
Speaker 2: on Instagram page about you know two three months ago
Speaker 2: and that's out in Chicago. And on Facebook it's Sale
Speaker 2: Models seven eleven. All those links are on my Facebook
Speaker 2: page at salemdel dot com. And the book will be
Speaker 2: available when it does come out, hopefully by the im
Speaker 2: of July. Uh, it'll be on Amazon and other digital
Speaker 2: platforms as well.
Speaker 1: My man. So, uh, you know, to everyone watching and
Speaker 1: listening in the future. Again with with the audio side,
Speaker 1: I mean, every episode seems to keep uh breaking the
Speaker 1: records of the ones that we'd doing previous, uh grow
Speaker 1: growing at a breakneck pace. Unfortunately, the algorithm on YouTube
Speaker 1: just uh.
Speaker 2: Show them a lot of people. Tight, You're not the
Speaker 2: only one, brother, other guys that don't you're not and
Speaker 2: your guys are big shows.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've had I'm continuously crossing guests over with like
Speaker 1: the biggest podcast Rogan.
Speaker 2: Well, they're sucking, they're sucking up a lot of an
Speaker 2: algorithm bok. You know it's like especially in the summer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jason Georgiohn, he's gonna be coming out Lenville Logan.
Speaker 1: They've all done the Rogans, the Jesse Michaels, Rizwan Vik
Speaker 1: Luigi did Rogan with Bob Blazaar, like I'm crossing over
Speaker 1: so many guests with like you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: and it's it's just wild to me.
Speaker 2: Can you do a good job? Tight because you don't
Speaker 2: tell people who probably we were supposed to do this
Speaker 2: last week things got crossed up and tight, we all
Speaker 2: got tied up. So I get a message from you,
Speaker 2: I know and maybe like I just got back from
Speaker 2: my office and uh, I got a messageake, we're gonna
Speaker 2: do blah blah blah. I said, oh shout, I just
Speaker 2: got back. Let me go take a shower, holding like
Speaker 2: you know Eddie months, let me go behind my hooks.
Speaker 2: Something right with you? So I go scrubbing up, don't
Speaker 2: get ready, come back to am ready and h you
Speaker 2: are very well prepared. You know. Sometimes it's hard to you.
Speaker 2: You did a great job. It's hard to be prepared.
Speaker 2: And it's nice though, because we'll get to have a conversation.
Speaker 2: We're not just talking about my book. We're talking about
Speaker 2: like we've known each other forever and we haven't. But
Speaker 2: it's because we both we vibe in the same the
Speaker 2: same mindset. We have that same vibe.
Speaker 1: Set, mindset on the same frequency, same frequency. Did you
Speaker 1: call back? Clip it.
Speaker 2: And tell people? And we want like what you be curious, man,
Speaker 2: don't take anybody's word, don't take ship from nobody. Be curious,
Speaker 2: track ship down. Don't think somebody is your guy. They
Speaker 2: may not be your guy, and you'll be root for
Speaker 2: a team that ain't yours. Man, you got to be
Speaker 2: curious about every piece of ship that's babbling to you
Speaker 2: every day about what they're talking to you about. And
Speaker 2: it seems like guys like was are you know? I
Speaker 2: try to find the holes and bottles are I don't
Speaker 2: find many? And I don't know. He's a likable dudeh
Speaker 2: and he's very just look, this is what happened to
Speaker 2: It's it's kind of hard to make ship up like that.
Speaker 1: It really is retain detail on a that has never.
Speaker 2: Changed again, like never chance. It's been the same ship
Speaker 2: he's been saying for years. And people are just discovering it,
Speaker 2: you know. And to me, a guy like that, that's
Speaker 2: that's that's the kind of guy I want to hang
Speaker 2: out with. Breag and little Bread, have a nice steak
Speaker 2: over at Roots, Chris. You know, I have a nice
Speaker 2: Scott maybe even a little dirty martini with some blue
Speaker 2: out blue olives. Nice, you know, and Luigi too. Let
Speaker 2: me tell you, Luigi, I'd like to hang out with
Speaker 2: him one day, have a nice little have a slice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we went to We went to the restaurant down
Speaker 1: the street and before the night before the show. So
Speaker 1: when I fly someone in, will usually fly them in
Speaker 1: on a Friday that night. Give him the option. You know, Hey,
Speaker 1: you can just chill, no tell or if you want
Speaker 1: to meet us at the restaurant. And the producer producer
Speaker 1: is an uh retired Air Force guy. So uh, you know,
Speaker 1: very very just with it, and uh we go to
Speaker 1: the restaurant. Me Luigi was the most fun uh fun person.
Speaker 1: Uh that he had me laughing so hard that I
Speaker 1: couldn't breathe at certain points. Uh no, not no, not
Speaker 1: not not squirting, but he had me he had me
Speaker 1: almost almost pissing myself. So maybe, but he's just one
Speaker 1: of the most likable people I've ever met. He's in
Speaker 1: it for the right reasons. I can tell you're in
Speaker 1: it for the right reasons, and it's always fun to aviage.
Speaker 1: You know, we don't have to agree on everything that
Speaker 1: This is a common misconception in this day and ages.
Speaker 1: If we think different, we're enemies, and this is not
Speaker 1: the case. You should be able to You should disagree
Speaker 1: on certain things, but be able to discuss them in
Speaker 1: an open forum where you can still walk away and say,
Speaker 1: agree to disagree, shake hands and go. We have different views,
Speaker 1: but that doesn't make us mortal fucking enemies. It's crazy.
Speaker 2: Well, because it's so pervasive now, ty that people have
Speaker 2: seen that other people do that, so they become fanatical
Speaker 2: and do that. You know, you got family members that
Speaker 2: don't even talk to each other because, oh, you can't
Speaker 2: think like that. You can't think like that.
Speaker 1: I know people have their mothers blocked on Facebook.
Speaker 2: It's insane. Yeah, dude, look people like that. I don't
Speaker 2: I don't want to know them because something is seriously wrong.
Speaker 2: I got friends that we disagree with, but my door
Speaker 2: would be open to them at three thirty in the morning.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't have to you. Don't tell me
Speaker 2: I'm a piece of shit for thinking when I think.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to tell you you're a piece of
Speaker 2: shit for thinking what you think. You've got what you
Speaker 2: think the way you think, and you know that doesn't
Speaker 2: mean mean and you have to be enemies. But people,
Speaker 2: they get into this fanatical tribal shit. They can't help themselves.
Speaker 2: It's so bizarre.
Speaker 1: The clubhouse. We've got to be part of a team.
Speaker 1: We got to be part of a team, all right, everybody,
Speaker 1: thank you again, so much again. People on the audio side,
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Speaker 2: Same thing on YouTube, right exactly. I mean most people
Speaker 2: their first sexual experience, the last you can do it.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, man, you make me laugh.
Speaker 2: And if longer I want to seventh grade. I don't
Speaker 2: know how the hell that was even possible.
Speaker 1: Nope, I uh no, no, no, that was a quick
Speaker 1: experience for myself as well. You know, if if one
Speaker 1: thing I was yeah, well well I won't go there.
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