Tracked from Childhood: Eglin AFB, UFO Secrets & Non-Human Intelligence – The William Carter Interview
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Speaker 1: Come back to total disclosure, UFOs, cover ups and conspiracies,
Speaker 1: the show where the unknown becomes the undeniable, and the
Speaker 1: truth commands of voice. Tonight, we're joined by a man
Speaker 1: who stands at the crossroads of national security and cosmic mystery.
Speaker 1: William Ray Carter, also known as Bill Carter, a former.
Speaker 2: US Space Command security officer at the range test Site
Speaker 2: C six Eglin Air Force Base in Florida. Bill brings
Speaker 2: first hand insight into one of America's most secure and
Speaker 2: secretive military installations. With documented sightings, debriefings inside sinsensitive compartmented
Speaker 2: information facilities or skiffs, the decades of classified its experience,
Speaker 2: Carter's testimony weaves a web between what we're told and
Speaker 2: what's being hidden. From his new FOK report in January
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two to his explosive interviews throughout twenty twenty four,
Speaker 2: Bill has stepped out of the shadows to challenge the
Speaker 2: silence that surrounds UAPs and government secrecy. This isn't just
Speaker 2: another story. This is first hand accounts from someone inside
Speaker 2: the gates, inside the black projects, inside the silence. So
Speaker 2: ask yourself what happens when the keepers of the secrets
Speaker 2: begin to speak. This is total disclosure. All right. Welcome Bill, Welcome,
Speaker 2: Hi you doing toime NASA?
Speaker 3: Meet you.
Speaker 2: Nice to finally meet you. Yeah. Unfortunately, unfortunately we had
Speaker 2: to delay the conversation about a week. Had a couple
Speaker 2: of losses in the in not in my family, but
Speaker 2: also in the community with Earl gray Anderson, a great researcher,
Speaker 2: you know, so I was. I told everyone that I
Speaker 2: would dedicate this episode to Earl gray Anderson. So in
Speaker 2: his memory and in his mentorship, I dedicate this episode
Speaker 2: to the loving Earl gray Anderson, State Director of Southern California.
Speaker 2: Move on, so big episode, Bill, Big shoes to Phil
Speaker 2: h Well, I'm glad you have me on because.
Speaker 3: I've got a chance to tell my story a few times,
Speaker 3: and I keep finding out new things myself. So I'm
Speaker 3: glad I'm doing a few more interviews because once you
Speaker 3: get into this stuff, it really is. It's bizarre, it's strange,
Speaker 3: and you see a lot of things that don't have
Speaker 3: answers to them, right. I'm just like a lot of
Speaker 3: other people, you know, I'm trying to find out answers
Speaker 3: to things that I saw firsthand myself, and I think
Speaker 3: there are some people in our government that do have
Speaker 3: all the answers, and I think they should share them
Speaker 3: with everybody. I don't understand the secrecy.
Speaker 2: Well I do.
Speaker 4: I mean I kind of understand. I And listen and
Speaker 4: hear me out on this.
Speaker 2: You know, being someone of your of your stature, wouldn't
Speaker 2: you agree that some of some of the secrecy may
Speaker 2: be warranted? And you know, I say this with with
Speaker 2: obviously hindsight, you know, being you know, the greatest, the
Speaker 2: greatest asset, right, it always always twenty twenty, but you know,
Speaker 2: for a long time the secrecy might you know, if
Speaker 2: we found this out right after or during World War Two,
Speaker 2: and you know, right after the United States is you know,
Speaker 2: in a very vulnerable place, but people are very patriotic.
Speaker 2: United States was the hero. You know, maybe at that
Speaker 2: time the secrecy was warranted. But but but it's gone away,
Speaker 2: and we're owed some answers, so we we will have
Speaker 2: to meet the secret keepers halfway and allow for amnesty
Speaker 2: and all that good stuff.
Speaker 4: But I think we've come.
Speaker 2: To a time, a place and consciousness societally where I
Speaker 2: think we're ready to take that those next steps, right.
Speaker 3: I I agree that when some of these things first occurred,
Speaker 3: Like we hear now that there was a crash in
Speaker 3: nineteen thirty three in Italy that possibly, yeah, Roswell was
Speaker 3: a true story and all these things. And I couldn't
Speaker 3: imagine being an American back in those days hearing something
Speaker 3: like that. I mean, now we've kind of grown accustomed
Speaker 3: to space travel, you know, and now if somebody told us, hey,
Speaker 3: all that stuff's true, I don't think it would be
Speaker 3: such a shock now, you know, like it would have
Speaker 3: been back then. So I agree, you know, back then
Speaker 3: I could understand why, you know, that they would want
Speaker 3: to keep things like that quiet. But for people like
Speaker 3: us that have seen things, that doesn't do us any justice,
Speaker 3: you know, right, absolutely, what was it you know that
Speaker 3: I saw? You know, where did it come from? You know,
Speaker 3: you know things like that. So I'm in a sense
Speaker 3: like a lot of people.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and with that being said, let's kind of
Speaker 2: start out the beginning. Now, this is the beginning retro respectively,
Speaker 2: of course. But you had a sighting you grew up
Speaker 2: in Georgia, if I'm not mistaken, correct.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was born in Georgia. I actually grew up
Speaker 3: in Alabama, lived some of my early years in Tennessee
Speaker 3: and Chattanooga. But I was born in Athens, Georgia, and
Speaker 3: my family lived outside of Athens in a little town
Speaker 3: called Whole, Georgia, which is where we had our siding
Speaker 3: when I was almost four years old about that time, Can.
Speaker 2: You do you mind going into it and tell me
Speaker 2: what happened?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was living in a trailer park. It was
Speaker 3: really small trailer park there in Whole. It was called
Speaker 3: Diamond Hill, and we had a big field that was
Speaker 3: adjacent to the trailer park. We had maybe eight trailers
Speaker 3: in this little trailer park. We had four on each
Speaker 3: side and had a little road that went down the
Speaker 3: middle of it, and it was separated by this barb
Speaker 3: wire fence that on the other side was the field.
Speaker 3: And that particular night when all this happened, I was
Speaker 3: crossing the small road in between the trailer park coming
Speaker 3: back from my uncle's house at the time. My uncle
Speaker 3: lived across the street there from the trailer we lived in,
Speaker 3: and I saw something out the corner of my right eye,
Speaker 3: and I thought at first it might have been a fire,
Speaker 3: like the field was on fire. So I turned to
Speaker 3: get a better look at it, and I saw this glow.
Speaker 3: It was like it was like a low from a
Speaker 3: fire is exactly what it looked like. If you've ever
Speaker 3: seen the footage of the UFO that was filmed over Cuba,
Speaker 3: that's probably one of the best pieces of footage I've
Speaker 3: seen out there. But it was exactly a glow just
Speaker 3: like that from a fire, is what it looked like.
Speaker 3: And I thought the field was on fire. Even at
Speaker 3: that age, I thought, you know, somebody needs to put
Speaker 3: this fire out. But there were some trees between me
Speaker 3: and this object, and I saw it move, you know.
Speaker 3: I saw it just slowly moving through the trees, and
Speaker 3: it was probably maybe eighty yards away, and I kept
Speaker 3: hearing my name being called, and I turned over to
Speaker 3: my left. I looked over and my mother was crouching
Speaker 3: down behind our trailer with my sister, you know, whispering
Speaker 3: to me, calling my name, telling me to come over
Speaker 3: to her. And I'm looking at this thing, and I
Speaker 3: can't take my eyes off of it, but slowly, I
Speaker 3: don't I don't know what happened, but I got my
Speaker 3: legs moving enough to get over there where they were hiding,
Speaker 3: and I got behind her and I kept trying to
Speaker 3: look around her to see it. She took us inside
Speaker 3: the house and locked the door. The next day we
Speaker 3: went out to the field and I remember us crawling
Speaker 3: through the barber wi and we went out to the field. Now,
Speaker 3: the next day, where we went to in the field
Speaker 3: was a different place from where I saw it the
Speaker 3: night before. It had moved like to a more like
Speaker 3: directly across from the road. It was like more centered
Speaker 3: up in the middle of the trailer park to where
Speaker 3: we were, and I remember us standing around this huge
Speaker 3: burnt circle in the field the next morning. Well, it
Speaker 3: was just a very surreal feeling, and I tried to
Speaker 3: forget it. To be honest, I didn't feel that it
Speaker 3: was real, and I didn't talk about it to my
Speaker 3: mother for years until I went to Eggland Air Force Base.
Speaker 3: We had had Well let me back up. Before Eggland,
Speaker 3: my family had moved to Fort Payne, Alabama, which is
Speaker 3: where I live now, and we had some UFO sidings.
Speaker 3: In the late eighties, five, Alabama, which is about twelve
Speaker 3: miles from here. They start having cattle mutilations. Oh, and
Speaker 3: we started having all the national news media descend upon
Speaker 3: our area. And there's actually some news clippings from that
Speaker 3: time on YouTube. If you type in five UFO. You
Speaker 3: hear the people talking about the cattle mutilations on their farm,
Speaker 3: and then the eyewitnesses that saw the UFOs at that time.
Speaker 3: We're talking. So, you know, even when that happened in
Speaker 3: the late eighties, I was about fifteen at the time.
Speaker 3: You know, I still didn't think too much about what
Speaker 3: happened in Georgia, you know, years before. And I went
Speaker 3: into the Marine Corps in ninety four. I got out
Speaker 3: in ninety eight, and I went into the National Guard
Speaker 3: in two thousand and three, and we went to We
Speaker 3: went to Germany in two thousand and five. We got
Speaker 3: deployed for OEF around that time, and we came back
Speaker 3: around six I got out right after we came back.
Speaker 3: I was stop lost while we were over there, and
Speaker 3: I still hadn't finished college. So at that time I
Speaker 3: got out for about three years, and the last time
Speaker 3: I went back in was in nine. I went into
Speaker 3: the National Guard. As soon as I went back in,
Speaker 3: they slated me to go back overseas again. They had
Speaker 3: my orders cut to go back overseas. They sent us
Speaker 3: to Eggland Air Force Base, and we actually had two
Speaker 3: jobs there. One of them was marijuana eradication. We were
Speaker 3: tasked We're doing marijuana eradication and the other one was
Speaker 3: doing garrison security with the Air Force Security Force guy.
Speaker 3: So some days we would ride tandem with them doing
Speaker 3: garrison security. And one day we went to this little
Speaker 3: small building on Eggland. It was at the top of
Speaker 3: a hill. It was a odd shaped looking building. It
Speaker 3: looked like to me like an old radio station or
Speaker 3: something that you would see in an old country town somewhere.
Speaker 3: And I stepped through the lobby and the guy that
Speaker 3: I was with at the Air Force Security Force guy,
Speaker 3: he went in and he was talking to some guy
Speaker 3: in a lab coat in the place. And I'm in
Speaker 3: the lobby and I'm reading this mission statement they have
Speaker 3: on the wall. It said, we monitor all space activity,
Speaker 3: terrestrial and extraterrestrial from planet Earth. And I immediately started
Speaker 3: thinking about what happened to me as a kid. I remember,
Speaker 3: I just had this sudden flashback of that night, of
Speaker 3: what I saw in the field with my mother, and
Speaker 3: you know, my mother and i've never discussed the incident ever,
Speaker 3: you know, I said, yours. I just thought it was
Speaker 3: some kind of dream or something like.
Speaker 2: And I apologize for cutting you off there Bill, But
Speaker 2: you know how common it is that when a group
Speaker 2: experience happens, or an experience that has happened, you know,
Speaker 2: something that is shared by multiple people, it's almost like
Speaker 2: the sighting occurs or the encounter occurs, and they're in
Speaker 2: that moment, they're they're acting as they would but then
Speaker 2: it's over and it's like they it's like nothing happened,
Speaker 2: and they just go, you know, continue on the lives.
Speaker 2: And like you said, it's it's I mean, how would
Speaker 2: you and your mom not have that conversation. That's what
Speaker 2: everyone's going to be screaming, is what you didn't you know,
Speaker 2: you didn't ask her what you guys just saw. But
Speaker 2: that's the thing, No, you know, it's it's more common
Speaker 2: than people realize.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it took it a while for me to, uh,
Speaker 3: you know, really start hashing out what I saw and everything.
Speaker 3: And uh, when I read that on the wall there
Speaker 3: at Eglin, the hair on the back of my neck
Speaker 3: just stood up and I looked over. There was a
Speaker 3: guard to my left at a podium when you walk
Speaker 3: in there, and he saw me reading that. He just
Speaker 3: kind of smiled at me, and.
Speaker 2: He knew which word you were looking at.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I couldn't talk. I left the building and the
Speaker 3: guy that I was riding with, we had a great
Speaker 3: com We talked the whole time we were on patrol together.
Speaker 3: The guy he played football for Colorado or Colorado State.
Speaker 3: He was a kickoff return guy. He told me, and
Speaker 3: I remember he was telling me he was a gessu
Speaker 3: with you and I never heard that. And he was
Speaker 3: explaining to me his religion. And after I came out
Speaker 3: of that building, because I played football for years, and
Speaker 3: that's what got us in that conversation. I love football.
Speaker 3: I played for many years when I was in school.
Speaker 3: So you know, we were talking football, you know, a lot.
Speaker 3: And when we came out of that building, I didn't
Speaker 3: have nothing else to say. I didn't want to ask
Speaker 3: any questions about what I just saw or anything. I
Speaker 3: kept it to myself for years. I didn't even tell
Speaker 3: anybody in my unit. And I think I'm the only
Speaker 3: one in my unit that got to go to the place.
Speaker 3: When we arrived there, you have what you call guard mount.
Speaker 3: When we got to Eglin, we have a big security
Speaker 3: meeting with all the security personnel on the base. It
Speaker 3: was military police, which was my unit, the Air Force
Speaker 3: security force guys and the contractors that were contracted to
Speaker 3: work security there, and the guy briefing us, you know,
Speaker 3: he just got this big smile on his face and
Speaker 3: he said, oh, yeah, by the way, we have a
Speaker 3: marine patrol that patrols in the boat around Egglin. If
Speaker 3: you're lucky, you might get to see some space junk
Speaker 3: that falls into waters here surrounding the base sometimes, and
Speaker 3: it's some pretty neat looking stuff. I think it's what
Speaker 3: he said. Anyway, we laughed it off and we left,
Speaker 3: and I remember thinking, you know, I won't volunteer for that,
Speaker 3: because I don't want to be around anything you know,
Speaker 3: that falls out of space and catch some disease or something.
Speaker 3: So I didn't think nothing more about what he said.
Speaker 2: And yeah, either that or you get hit in the
Speaker 2: head with it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And after I left the place, when we left
Speaker 3: Side C six. Now it's a restricted area. You have
Speaker 3: to you have to have business there, and most military
Speaker 3: police have a secret security clearance because you have to
Speaker 3: be able to go to any place on any base
Speaker 3: at you're stationed on in case there's some kind of
Speaker 3: security breach or something, and anything beyond that, like something
Speaker 3: that requires a higher security clearance. You know, I wouldn't
Speaker 3: be privy to anything like that. But most of the
Speaker 3: areas we were allowed to go into. And what I
Speaker 3: tell people is, you know, I didn't just waltz up
Speaker 3: there and go in by myself. I was with an
Speaker 3: Air Force security guy when we were there. You know.
Speaker 3: That's how I ended up in the place. So I'd
Speaker 3: heard stories about these retrieval teams, which at the time
Speaker 3: I had no idea, never heard anything about these retrieval teams.
Speaker 3: But one of the days that we were working in
Speaker 3: the in the swamps there, I had to pull the
Speaker 3: humvee over because I had to use the the men's room. Yep,
Speaker 3: oh yeah, I heard like a twig break and I
Speaker 3: looked over and these guys they were all dressed in black.
Speaker 3: They had these black helmets on that kind of like
Speaker 3: you would wear for repelling. They weren't military helmans.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I just want to is you
Speaker 2: real quick? So when we just want I don't know
Speaker 2: if you know who Mao Horrera is. I don't know
Speaker 2: if you know Jake Barber who you know? You know,
Speaker 2: both of the stories seemed to talk about these retrieval
Speaker 2: teams as well, wearing all black. So would you you know,
Speaker 2: when you describe them, can you any detail, every small
Speaker 2: detail you can recall, you know, well, was it black
Speaker 2: or was it like black camo?
Speaker 3: Yeah, they were had they had their faces painted black.
Speaker 3: Now were we were? My National Guard unit was only
Speaker 3: maybe five miles away from the US Army Ranger camp,
Speaker 3: which was down the road. Now, these guys weren't dressed
Speaker 3: like rangers that you were saying. They didn't want me
Speaker 3: to see them. I mean, they could have been out
Speaker 3: there and I wouldn't have cared what they were doing
Speaker 3: out there, because a lot of the military, you know,
Speaker 3: have different kinds of maneuvers they do out there all hours. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but these guys did not want me to see them.
Speaker 3: You know. I looked over and they were sitting Indian
Speaker 3: style in two columns. It was probably about ten guys
Speaker 3: in each row, and they were sitting, you know, cross legs,
Speaker 3: and they had you know, their left hand on their
Speaker 3: left knee and their right hand on their right knee,
Speaker 3: kind of like how we're taught to sit in the
Speaker 3: Marine Corps. Actually, and their face was painted black, and
Speaker 3: they had black clothes on, and I just looked one
Speaker 3: of them, you know, dead in his eye, and just
Speaker 3: kind of waved and I got back in the hovey
Speaker 3: and took off. I let them know, I know they
Speaker 3: were there, you know, like, haha, you know you got seen.
Speaker 2: You know, mission failed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I took off, and when I got back
Speaker 3: is when I really started thinking about pieces together. Yeah.
Speaker 3: It was one of those things that you know, I
Speaker 3: don't know if you've ever put together something years after
Speaker 3: it occurred, but you know what I saw when I
Speaker 3: was a kid. I tried to put that behind me
Speaker 3: because it was just something that amazed me so much
Speaker 3: and was so surreal that I wanted to forget about it,
Speaker 3: and I tried my best. If I would have been
Speaker 3: grown when i'd have saw it, maybe things would have
Speaker 3: been different. But my mother, my mother was very young
Speaker 3: when she had me. She had just turned fourteen years
Speaker 3: old when she had Oh Shoo, and she at that
Speaker 3: time she would have been about sixteen or seventeen years old.
Speaker 3: But no, she had been seventeen, seventeen eighteen, that is right, right,
Speaker 3: she was. She would have been about seventeen years old
Speaker 3: when we had that incident happened, and it's still just
Speaker 3: a be yeah, and I I asked her, I was
Speaker 3: trying to remember, you know, what triggered you know, the memory?
Speaker 3: I asked her one day, I said, do you remember
Speaker 3: something happening when we were living in Georgia? I said,
Speaker 3: I remember seeing this thing on the ground moving. It
Speaker 3: was you know, it looked like a fire, it was glowing.
Speaker 3: And I said, I remember us going to the field
Speaker 3: the next day and seeing this big burnt circle out
Speaker 3: in the field. And she about jumped out of her chair.
Speaker 3: She said, you remember that. I said, yeah, I remember it.
Speaker 3: I said, it's burnt into my soul. I can't you know,
Speaker 3: not see it. You know, it's just lived in my head,
Speaker 3: rent free for fifty years, you know. And that's when
Speaker 3: she got into telling me. You know, when we lived there,
Speaker 3: people were coming up missing that reported it. Because I
Speaker 3: asked her, I said, why didn't you report that? And
Speaker 3: she said people were coming up missing in the area.
Speaker 3: Anybody that reported it. They would put them in you know,
Speaker 3: psychiatric facilities or take them to jail way And I said,
Speaker 3: you kidding, She said no, I said, so what happened?
Speaker 3: I said, I remember me looking at it. I remember
Speaker 3: you calling me over, you know, behind the trailer to
Speaker 3: get behind you. She said, yeah, you kept looking around
Speaker 3: me to see it. And she she said what she saw.
Speaker 3: She saw it when it wasn't lit up. What she
Speaker 3: saw was she said it had three legs, and she
Speaker 3: said she was watching it around the corner and she
Speaker 3: saw a ramp come out of it to the brim.
Speaker 3: And when she saw the ramp come down, that's when
Speaker 3: she took us and rushed us in the house and
Speaker 3: locked the door. And when I recalled all this, I
Speaker 3: remember my grandmother. She used to tell a story about
Speaker 3: when she was going home one night, one came over
Speaker 3: her car. Now, I never paid much attention to it,
Speaker 3: because my grandmother never lied about that kind of stuff,
Speaker 3: and she only told the story like once or twice
Speaker 3: that it flew over the car and she thought it
Speaker 3: landed on the other side of this curve. Now, she
Speaker 3: was about to go around a curve and the curve
Speaker 3: had a blind spot in it, and she thought that
Speaker 3: once once it went over her car, that it landed
Speaker 3: in the road, and she was worried about when she
Speaker 3: got around the curve, was it going to be waiting
Speaker 3: there on her. She said that she just, you know,
Speaker 3: floored the car, and she said, you know, if it
Speaker 3: was gonna be sitting there, she was gonna go through
Speaker 3: it or whatever. But when she got it wasn't there.
Speaker 3: And then Mom got into telling me that before that happened.
Speaker 3: That night, her and her fiance and his brother and
Speaker 3: his girlfriend at the time, they were in a car
Speaker 3: one night and her fiance's brother was in the back
Speaker 3: seat looking up through the window and he said, there's
Speaker 3: a UFO over the car, because, like I said, at
Speaker 3: the time, a lot of people were seeing these things.
Speaker 3: And it came over the car, and she said that
Speaker 3: it paced them for a while and it finally just
Speaker 3: took off and left. Well, he came up missing a
Speaker 3: few years after that. He was coming home from work.
Speaker 3: He came up missing. He's never been found. I sent
Speaker 3: you his brother's obituary.
Speaker 2: Yes you did, Yeah, did you get that? I did?
Speaker 2: So for anyone who's watching or just listening, I will
Speaker 2: superimpose that right now if you do want to see it,
Speaker 2: and if you're listening, the link for the YouTube show
Speaker 2: is in the description, but I will superimpose that right
Speaker 2: now now.
Speaker 3: When his brother died in two thousand and six, which
Speaker 3: was my mother's fiance. His brother, Ronnie Thomas, was still
Speaker 3: listed as missing. Now. I tried to get online to
Speaker 3: find his name, to find him on a missing person's
Speaker 3: website or something, and his name is nowhere to be found.
Speaker 3: And that's really odd that this guy he went missing
Speaker 3: in around nineteen eighty two or eighty three, and he's
Speaker 3: not on any missing person's list anywhere. When his sister
Speaker 3: died in twenty twelve, he was still listed as missing
Speaker 3: on the obituary there.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: What's really odd to me is that you cannot find
Speaker 3: his name anywhere. But the guy's missing.
Speaker 2: He was a person and he saw something.
Speaker 3: Before that happened. Yeah, he he He's the one that
Speaker 3: sailed over their car before he came up missing a
Speaker 3: few years later.
Speaker 2: Do you think that he reported it?
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know if he did not,
Speaker 3: Well know, if what Mom told me about reporting it's true,
Speaker 3: then he probably didn't because if they were locking people
Speaker 3: up and putting putting them in you.
Speaker 2: Know, well.
Speaker 4: He went missing, you know, what what if he did?
Speaker 2: What if?
Speaker 4: What if the reporting?
Speaker 2: I mean, we all know, or at least in the community,
Speaker 2: we all know. I've had Rick Dody on the show Uh.
Speaker 2: Jake Barber talks about it in his testimony that they're
Speaker 2: infiltrating these UFO organizations and red teaming them. They're basically
Speaker 2: or if anyone has that's how they got, you know,
Speaker 2: to get the information and to get to jump on
Speaker 2: these people and then silence them. I mean Mac Brazil
Speaker 2: after the Roswell crash, you know, after he's went missing
Speaker 2: for fourteen days, he came back well, wouldn't speak about
Speaker 2: the event, had a brand new truck. So you know,
Speaker 2: on the on the surface, it seemed like he was
Speaker 2: bought bought off and maybe you know, had to go
Speaker 2: through a little torture to get there. But something happens
Speaker 2: to people that see things in the sky. And there's
Speaker 2: someone that you know that is still missing to this day.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's what's so surprising. Usually if there's a
Speaker 3: missing person, you can find it somewhere online, you know,
Speaker 3: usually you know, you can find their name somewhere, but
Speaker 3: a memorial or right, he is nowhere, Like no state websites,
Speaker 3: no Georgia state websites or anything listed is missing. I've
Speaker 3: calmed all of them to find some information. You know,
Speaker 3: if they've looked into it, what they think and he's
Speaker 3: not even listed as missing anywhere. Well that's odd.
Speaker 2: If by some miracle, one of the persons in that
Speaker 2: family comes across this interview, please reach out, let us
Speaker 2: know if something, if something happened, or if something, if
Speaker 2: that we can clear this mystery up or or or
Speaker 2: at least try to get to the bottom of it,
Speaker 2: because I think, I think that's crazy. I mean, that's crazy,
Speaker 2: and I you know, I don't want to jump the
Speaker 2: gun here, but I'm going to because this episode will
Speaker 2: come out after the episode debuts tomorrow. I know, I'm
Speaker 2: speaking in weird podcast language for anybody who's listening or watching.
Speaker 2: I just did an interview with a NASA whistleblower and
Speaker 2: he claims to have seen a piece of footage. And
Speaker 2: I mean, so he was showed closed caption footage at
Speaker 2: Cape Canaveral. Mind you, he was the NASA Chief of Medicine,
Speaker 2: and he saw an undisclosed hangar either live or pre
Speaker 2: recorded CCTV of a UFO, a disc shaped craft and
Speaker 2: it had the US Air Force emblem on it, but
Speaker 2: it also had the testing there's these bars that they
Speaker 2: put on test craft so that you know, either for
Speaker 2: radar return I don't know if you've ever seen this
Speaker 2: kind of thing, but they're like these vertical bars. And
Speaker 2: they put him at three six and nine usually three
Speaker 2: six or twelve three six. No, no, no, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean though, right two three, and
Speaker 2: it had all the markings of a test flight. But
Speaker 2: the craft was clearly not usual. It was not a
Speaker 2: like a It was not something that was uh, let's say,
Speaker 2: in the public arsenal. And you know, is it your
Speaker 2: belief that what you saw was piloted by humans, but
Speaker 2: maybe maybe maybe the technology came from not of this earth.
Speaker 3: What I saw it just looked otherworldly. It didn't look
Speaker 3: like anything that I've seen since then, and I've seen
Speaker 3: a lot of you know, jet planes, helicopters. My room
Speaker 3: when I was in the Marine Corps was right outside
Speaker 3: of a helicopter pad, and it was it was nothing
Speaker 3: like I'd ever seen before. It was it was so
Speaker 3: shocking that I, you know, can't I can't forget, you know,
Speaker 3: that it was just such a brilliant light that it
Speaker 3: appeared to be a you know, yeah, I mean it was.
Speaker 3: It just was not not something I could describe other
Speaker 3: than it just looked like a glow from a fire right,
Speaker 3: So I couldn't only imagine what my mother saw because
Speaker 3: either the thing was getting ready to take off where
Speaker 3: it just landed. I have a theory that maybe it
Speaker 3: just landed.
Speaker 4: That's why the landing gear was still out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because my mother said she saw it when it
Speaker 3: wasn't lit up, and she drew it. She drew like
Speaker 3: landing gear had like three legs, and then I had
Speaker 3: it somewhere. There was a Chinese person that came to
Speaker 3: our house and she said she was doing a documentary
Speaker 3: and she stayed around for about three days and interviewed us,
Speaker 3: me and my mother. She said she was a film
Speaker 3: student from Nyu. She was a senior there, and she
Speaker 3: said that she was about to graduate. And because we started,
Speaker 3: we started having like these strange indentations in our yard,
Speaker 3: like by my fence in the backyard, there were these
Speaker 3: five foot across semi circular indentations that something sat down
Speaker 3: in the vegetation and killed everything underneath, and it bent
Speaker 3: my fence and whatever it was, it scorched the side
Speaker 3: of the tree in my backyard. And she had contacted
Speaker 3: me through Reddit and she came here for about three
Speaker 3: days and she told me that she would let us
Speaker 3: see the documentary after she finished it. She interviewed me
Speaker 3: and my mother and she ended up leaving. And I
Speaker 3: haven't heard from her since. M oh, I can't hear you.
Speaker 3: I'm not hearing anything.
Speaker 2: Did she so she took Do you think she took
Speaker 2: that drawing?
Speaker 3: Yes, she took it.
Speaker 2: And you have not heard for how long has it been?
Speaker 3: It's been last not this November, but last November, Mike,
Speaker 3: there's no Yeah. I picked her up from the airport
Speaker 3: in Huntsville. I live about seventy miles from Huntsville, Alabama,
Speaker 3: and you know they're about to put space command.
Speaker 2: Here right right.
Speaker 3: And that was odd because she was talking to me
Speaker 3: every day before she came. And I still have her
Speaker 3: name through Reddit and her she her name was Yuki.
Speaker 3: That's the name she gave me. And you know, I
Speaker 3: had her phone number and I've tried to call her
Speaker 3: and nobody will pick up or anything. So I've yet
Speaker 3: to see this documentary. She did, honus, she left.
Speaker 2: And the plot, the plot thickens. Wow wow, okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 2: So now without having said picture, I mean, I can,
Speaker 2: I can. We could work with that, We could work
Speaker 2: with that. So, I okay, you've said, you've said before
Speaker 2: that disclosure.
Speaker 4: Is happening, but not from.
Speaker 2: Where we expect. What do you what do you mean
Speaker 2: by that?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 4: And who is who do you think is leading it
Speaker 4: behind the scenes?
Speaker 3: Well, from what I'm seeing my own observation, it looks
Speaker 3: like the government has a narrative that they're putting out
Speaker 3: to the public, and whoever gets in the way with
Speaker 3: the storylined mine for example, you know, they just squish
Speaker 3: it and go on because they're wanting to tell people
Speaker 3: in their own way. Like Chris Mellan, he'll come out
Speaker 3: and say that we have ways to detect these objects
Speaker 3: when they come in the atmosphere, and that we have
Speaker 3: radar that can detect objects twenty two thousand nautical miles
Speaker 3: into space the size of a grapefruit. And I knew
Speaker 3: he was talking about Egglund, particularly Site C six, And
Speaker 3: he won't come out and say it, he won't mention
Speaker 3: the place by name, but I know that's what he's
Speaker 3: talking about.
Speaker 4: How do you know that?
Speaker 3: Because the way he described it was the exact capabilities
Speaker 3: that Site C six has. And you can actually google
Speaker 3: Site C six. But what they won't tell you is
Speaker 3: that they observe UFOs and you apeas there. How I
Speaker 3: found out about it, and you know, it wasn't just
Speaker 3: a hunch. I talked to a guy who was a
Speaker 3: radar technician at the site in the eighties. He worked
Speaker 3: there from nineteen eighty one to eighty four. And the
Speaker 3: only social media I usually do is read it because
Speaker 3: I like to read, and I try to stay away
Speaker 3: from other social media like X. I do have an
Speaker 3: X account, but I don't hardly use it, and I
Speaker 3: watch YouTube videos occasionally. But I wanted to know more
Speaker 3: about Site C six after I saw the place and
Speaker 3: what I read on the wall, just got a real
Speaker 3: uneasy feeling. I mean, I was a military policeman for
Speaker 3: ten years, so you know, I just got this feeling that,
Speaker 3: you know, something else was going on at the place.
Speaker 3: So there's a subreddit titled machine porn, and that's where
Speaker 3: I found the name of the place. It's Site C six,
Speaker 3: and there was a guy on there who had worked there.
Speaker 3: So I asked him if he would talk to me
Speaker 3: about the place. He said, well, if you're you're former military,
Speaker 3: he said, I'll speak with you about it. So we
Speaker 3: got into a chat and I sent you the chat logs.
Speaker 3: Did you get those? I did, Yeah, you should read
Speaker 3: over them. But he told me in the chats that
Speaker 3: he tracked UFOs when he was there, and he had
Speaker 3: friends that worked there after he left, and they tracked
Speaker 3: him during the golf Breeze sidings. If you've ever heard
Speaker 3: of the golf Breeze sidings, I have, Okay, they he
Speaker 3: had friends, and he the things he told me, like
Speaker 3: he had friends that died while they were working there,
Speaker 3: and that one of his friends they told him that
Speaker 3: his friend committed suicide and there was nobody like he
Speaker 3: I guess was planning on going to the funeral and
Speaker 3: there was nobody. And he mentioned the guy's name. It's
Speaker 3: in the chat transcripts that I sent you. He told
Speaker 3: me the guy's name, and uh, you know, he was
Speaker 3: really honest with me. I've tried to get him to
Speaker 3: talk with me more about it because I just knew,
Speaker 3: after you know, being at the place, that you know,
Speaker 3: my hunch about the place was right, and after you know,
Speaker 3: they told us that things crash in the water there.
Speaker 3: I think they told us that kind of like a disclaimer.
Speaker 3: If we were out there patrolling and let's say a
Speaker 3: crash or something like that, you know, crashed in the
Speaker 3: water there, they wouldn't have to say, well, we didn't
Speaker 3: tell you about it, you know.
Speaker 2: So it's almost like they were front loading you with
Speaker 2: information so that if it ever did happen, your brain
Speaker 2: would process it what they told you instead of what
Speaker 2: it might actually be.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I've you know, had some strange things happened here,
Speaker 3: like these guys showed up one day. My son, he
Speaker 3: was working at Walmart, and he got ready to leave
Speaker 3: one day and he had a flat tire. And it's
Speaker 3: about six miles from here, so I left to go
Speaker 3: help him with his flat tire, and my fiance she
Speaker 3: was on her way back here. As soon as she
Speaker 3: pulled into the garage, these two guys pulled up in
Speaker 3: a big, black, shiny suv. She said, it was just
Speaker 3: in pristine conditions. She said, it was just the shiniest
Speaker 3: suv she had ever seen. And they got out and
Speaker 3: they came up to her before she even got out
Speaker 3: of the car, and they said that they wanted to
Speaker 3: check the roof for storm damage because there had been
Speaker 3: a lot of storm damage in the area on roofs
Speaker 3: in the area. And she said, no, ours is fine,
Speaker 3: which we had just had a replacement for our roof
Speaker 3: about ten years ago, and at the time we were
Speaker 3: under drought conditions. We had not had rain in over
Speaker 3: a month, and we actually had a no burn ordinance
Speaker 3: at the time. So she said the guy was like
Speaker 3: real persistent, you know, telling her that, you know, they
Speaker 3: needed to get up on the roof, and she, you know,
Speaker 3: my fiance, she's bullheaded. She just told him no, you know.
Speaker 3: So they finally left, she said, they left just a
Speaker 3: few minutes before I pulled up and we called the police.
Speaker 3: We made a police report before that, you know, Like
Speaker 3: I said, I was a sl teacher for six years.
Speaker 3: We would come home and around the house, our back
Speaker 3: sliding glass door would be open just just enough to
Speaker 3: show us that the door was open. We have curtains
Speaker 3: back there, and the curtains would be you know, flying
Speaker 3: in the wind, and we always make sure we lock
Speaker 3: the doors when we go somewhere in the middle of
Speaker 3: the wintertime, I'm in this room here teaching online, and
Speaker 3: I start feeling like this cold breeze on the back
Speaker 3: of my neck, and I'm looking around to see where
Speaker 3: it's coming from, and I look behind the shades and
Speaker 3: the windows up in about six inches. Now that window
Speaker 3: can only be opened from the inside. You have to
Speaker 3: take the screen off from the outside, and you still
Speaker 3: couldn't open it. You'd have to do it from the inside,
Speaker 3: and the screen wasn't off the window, and you'd have
Speaker 3: to take a ladder to do it from the outside.
Speaker 3: So little things like that were happening. I mean, it
Speaker 3: got really bizarre around here and crazy for a while. So,
Speaker 3: you know, I just let a lot of things go
Speaker 3: for a while because it was just so much stuff that,
Speaker 3: you know, you would think you were going crazy by
Speaker 3: some of the things that we were seeing.
Speaker 2: Well, that's what I was going to say, is do
Speaker 2: you think that I mean that we can only believe
Speaker 2: in coincidence so much and all these things start to happen,
Speaker 2: And arguably someone you know, like a skeptic, might say, well,
Speaker 2: you're looking for it and you're seeing patterns where there
Speaker 2: might not be any. But I challenged that by saying,
Speaker 2: for the same reason, we need to take this seriously
Speaker 2: because you're observing these events happening and you're drawing correlation. Yes, maybe,
Speaker 2: but they're still happening. These these events are still happening.
Speaker 2: There's impressions in your yard, there's scorched trees, there's weird
Speaker 2: people visiting the house at weird times. You know, under
Speaker 2: weird circumstance. Do you think that you might have been
Speaker 2: being pressured by by by someone to maybe shut up?
Speaker 3: Well, there were a few instances on Reddit where somebody
Speaker 3: in a roundabout way threatened me about talking about the site,
Speaker 3: you know, mentioning that there was a skiff inside of it,
Speaker 3: and well, I'm trying to remember the exact words. They said, Uh,
Speaker 3: this could lead to a national security issue, and I said, well,
Speaker 3: you can google the site. Uh, what they don't tell
Speaker 3: you is that they monitor UFO's there, and I started.
Speaker 3: One day, I was looking for an old interview that
Speaker 3: I did for the local news channel, and my name
Speaker 3: popped up beside this guy. His name was Paul.
Speaker 2: Colin was the yes, yeah, you said this to me.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, who is this guy had my name
Speaker 3: and his name When I did the Google search and
Speaker 3: it was on LinkedIn and this guy was doing some
Speaker 3: kind of background check on me, and I read on
Speaker 3: that he was claiming to be an ex CIA guy,
Speaker 3: and I found an interview supposedly that he did on YouTube,
Speaker 3: and he was claiming to be this Mafia hit man,
Speaker 3: or not Mafia but a CIA hit man. And it
Speaker 3: was a like a telephone interview that he did with
Speaker 3: some lady. It's an old interview, so I don't know
Speaker 3: the guy's real identity. That's just the picture he uses.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I have it up right now. And he
Speaker 2: blocked you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I asked him. I tried to reach out to
Speaker 3: him on X and I told him, I said, if
Speaker 3: you have any questions, I'll be more than glad to
Speaker 3: answer any questions you have for me. And he blocked me.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And and he's but in this other post, in
Speaker 2: this other post, he's talking about your I mean as
Speaker 2: all your stuff listed right. Yeah, it's so weird. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's very so okay, all right, And and I want
Speaker 2: to talk about the skiff at at Eglin. Was there
Speaker 2: any you know, I don't know how to phrase this
Speaker 2: maybe in a in the the way I want to,
Speaker 2: But you know you've been You've mentioned being involved in
Speaker 2: or adjacent to class classified briefings UH involving U A
Speaker 2: p uh. Were there moments, you know where what you
Speaker 2: saw didn't align with human tech explanations or I mean,
Speaker 2: how did this happen?
Speaker 3: Well, well, well, my clearance was just a sacred security clearance.
Speaker 3: I didn't have like a top secret or anything like that. Right,
Speaker 3: most of my information and I came. You know, we're
Speaker 3: just the things that we were told. And I've always
Speaker 3: been the type of person, you know, to try to
Speaker 3: look a little bit deeper if you know, I think
Speaker 3: that there's something else there. It's kind of like when
Speaker 3: I was an MP one time they sent me to
Speaker 3: this house and after I left the c I d
Speaker 3: guys asked me what did I see there? And there
Speaker 3: was a woman there and a guy happened to be
Speaker 3: there that wasn't her husband, And I asked the idea.
Speaker 3: I was like, so, let me guess you are investigating
Speaker 3: her for adultery, right, And it's like, yeah, so that's
Speaker 3: that's the type of things you know, you pick up
Speaker 3: on if they're telling you, you know, things, sometimes there's
Speaker 3: a little bit more to the story. And I often
Speaker 3: wondered when we got to Eglin, while they told us
Speaker 3: about stuff crashing in the water. Right, You've got a
Speaker 3: lot of these whistleblowers coming out trying to say that
Speaker 3: we have ways to bring the craft down through soonics
Speaker 3: and stuff like that. Now, I don't know how true
Speaker 3: that is. I don't even know if I believe that
Speaker 3: or not. But I've heard that there's e MP weapons
Speaker 3: that can do things like that.
Speaker 2: Well have you have you heard of a gentleman named
Speaker 2: Eric Hacker?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: Well, Eric said, Now, Eric worked for Raytheon and he
Speaker 2: was scheduled, scheduled, I'm sorry. He was at the base
Speaker 2: in Antarctica and says that one of the machines there,
Speaker 2: the Nuccino machine, that the Neutrino system, it's not just active,
Speaker 2: I mean, it's not just a passive data collection tool,
Speaker 2: but it's also an active directed energy weapon. And you know,
Speaker 2: he says, he says this, and and you know, it
Speaker 2: aligns with a lot of other stuff that we've heard,
Speaker 2: you know, talking about these very things, these electromagnetic ways
Speaker 2: of maybe interfering with the craft's guidance systems or you know,
Speaker 2: especially if they're if they're consciousness mas, if you can
Speaker 2: interrupt the stream of consciousness, I mean, that could be
Speaker 2: a really good way to bring these things down, if
Speaker 2: that's what is truly happening. And again, I'm with you,
Speaker 2: I don't I don't know if I believe in all this,
Speaker 2: you know, psychic like you know, that's the biggest thing
Speaker 2: right now in the community is the psionics and uh meditation.
Speaker 2: We talk about guys that Chris Bledsoe, but there has
Speaker 2: been a long track record of you know, in the
Speaker 2: nineteen fifties when they talked about the g engines and
Speaker 2: how they were coming. I mean, scientists were openly saying
Speaker 2: we're about to crack gravity. And then you know, by
Speaker 2: nineteen fifty five, there was no talk of it at all.
Speaker 4: Right Tee towns in Brown and you know, all these.
Speaker 2: Creators, inventors that all of a sudden just go dark.
Speaker 3: And if you think that they have the ability to
Speaker 3: track them from Eggland, it would make sense to me
Speaker 3: if they had that sort of weapon, that they would
Speaker 3: put it there, because if they can track objects, you know,
Speaker 3: from Egglin, it would make sense to me that they
Speaker 3: would put a weapon there that could bring one down.
Speaker 3: Because that system stretches from Egglin all the way out
Speaker 3: to the Pacific Ocean to I forget what island it's
Speaker 3: out out there, but it's part of a radar system
Speaker 3: that stretches all the way out to the Pacific. And
Speaker 3: like I said, they track objects up to twenty two
Speaker 3: thousand miles away the size of a grapefruit. And they
Speaker 3: can do it with thousands of objects at one time.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: And so if an object's intelligently controlled, that's why you know,
Speaker 3: they don't want people to know that. If they can
Speaker 3: track those objects, they've definitely got clear pictures of them. See,
Speaker 3: that's why they don't want to eggland. And if they
Speaker 3: can do that, that means they can tell you where
Speaker 3: they go when they get here, where they come from.
Speaker 3: And that's what a lot of people don't understand about
Speaker 3: my story is that if you know that information, you
Speaker 3: can know where they're going.
Speaker 2: And going into the ocean.
Speaker 3: Ocean, that's right, and are out there right there by
Speaker 3: the ocean.
Speaker 2: And this is a huge detail because obviously two thirds
Speaker 2: of our planet is ocean. And if you wanted to
Speaker 2: hide in plain sight and something that was universal, right,
Speaker 2: not like our atmosphere, which can vary right depending on
Speaker 2: where we are in the Solar System. So those could
Speaker 2: be considered variables in space travel. But underwater is going
Speaker 2: to be underwater no matter where you are. So that's
Speaker 2: where I was hiding. I mean, in the perfect place.
Speaker 3: You're the only one that really understands why that's important
Speaker 3: other than I did this interview on what you call
Speaker 3: Let's get Haunted. It's not even about UAPs. And this
Speaker 3: lady that interviewed me totally understood what I was trying
Speaker 3: to say and understood the importance of what I had
Speaker 3: to say. And I'm like, out of all these UAP
Speaker 3: people I've talked to, this woman that doesn't even do
Speaker 3: UAP podcast understood what I was trying to say and
Speaker 3: what the the implications of that is. And it's you know,
Speaker 3: like Ross. All Ross wanted to know when I talked
Speaker 3: with him, was did you see a UFO on exit?
Speaker 3: And I said, you know, I can remember on two
Speaker 3: nights they made us go inside. Actually one time was
Speaker 3: during the day where they made us clear the area
Speaker 3: and we didn't have a curfew there. They just told
Speaker 3: us one night we were playing cards outside and they'd
Speaker 3: set everybody in. Now, you know, no explanation or anything.
Speaker 3: Something was flying around. They didn't want us to see
Speaker 3: there that night, you know. But I don't want to
Speaker 3: lie to him and tell him I saw a UFO,
Speaker 3: But some people are willing to lie and say things
Speaker 3: like and I just you know, it didn't happen. You know,
Speaker 3: it didn't. I didn't see anything there like that.
Speaker 2: But but in hindsight, what you're saying is, this is
Speaker 2: not something that happens often. So there was something that
Speaker 2: that we were not cleared to see, right, and we
Speaker 2: were ushered in.
Speaker 4: This is not something that normally happened.
Speaker 2: So I mean, you're you're kind of just giving us
Speaker 2: the equation and saying, you know, I didn't see anything,
Speaker 2: but it was weird that they told us to go in.
Speaker 2: We didn't have a car, few you know, we do
Speaker 2: have clearances. So if it was something like you know,
Speaker 2: if it was if it was something you know, uh
Speaker 2: not not like I don't want to say, if it
Speaker 2: was something like stealth or or that you guys weren't
Speaker 2: clear to see that. But it just doesn't sound right
Speaker 2: that they would usher you every single person off the deck,
Speaker 2: off the off the floor so nobody could see what
Speaker 2: might be out there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we were staying a little once at hunts out there.
Speaker 3: They were trying to get us acclimated to the heat
Speaker 3: because we were getting ready to go overseas again. And yeah,
Speaker 3: that was odd to me. Because they never gave us
Speaker 3: a reason why they wanted us, you know, in and
Speaker 3: said one day one day. Yeah, the other time was
Speaker 3: during the daytime. Now, the daytime, I believe they were
Speaker 3: doing some kind of bombing run or something that they
Speaker 3: wanted to make sure nobody was in the area. Because
Speaker 3: the first day when we got there, we were convoying
Speaker 3: into the area we were going to be staying in,
Speaker 3: and I think they had just did some kind of
Speaker 3: bomb run and it scars all the wildlife, and a
Speaker 3: bear came out of the woods and just rammed one
Speaker 3: of our up armored humvees and bounced. God up armored humvees.
Speaker 3: The door is weighed like five hundred pounds, so this
Speaker 3: bear took a leaking and kept on ticking. I mean he.
Speaker 2: Signed for the NFL.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't even know they had bears down there.
Speaker 3: That was the first time I'd ever heard anything like that.
Speaker 2: And uh, that's so funny.
Speaker 3: I think what was happening the first time they had
Speaker 3: us clear the areas. Maybe it was some kind of
Speaker 3: bomb test and they were doing that day. But the
Speaker 3: n one is the one that really made me wonder
Speaker 3: what it was.
Speaker 2: Let's get into it.
Speaker 3: We had one day. I was with the Air Force
Speaker 3: Security Force guy that I was riding with. One day,
Speaker 3: we were eating lunch by the runway there. They had
Speaker 3: the big hangar at the end of the runway, and
Speaker 3: I kept seeing these white jets taking off with no insignia,
Speaker 3: hotel numbers or anything. And I asked him, I said,
Speaker 3: what are these JITs here taking off? What are they?
Speaker 3: He said, oh, those are secret squirrel planes, is how
Speaker 3: we refer to him. I said, well, who's on them?
Speaker 3: He said, well, that's the CIA. You know, they come in,
Speaker 3: they have different projects that they do here and they
Speaker 3: fly out of And so that was something I had
Speaker 3: never seen before either no markings at all, no just
Speaker 3: why completely white planes. I think they were like seven
Speaker 3: thirty sevens or something. I'm not like a proficient on
Speaker 3: plane sizes, but if I had to guess, it was
Speaker 3: probably like a seven thirty seven or something.
Speaker 2: Right, right, Okay, Okay, that's kind of peculiar, But okay,
Speaker 2: that's that's interesting because I mean, obviously, you know, we
Speaker 2: can only read so much into that. But that brings
Speaker 2: me to like another story obviously, but I want to
Speaker 2: keep it on the track that we're on. So I
Speaker 2: want to ask you this genuinely. Have you ever feared
Speaker 2: for your safety because of what you've seen or what
Speaker 2: you know?
Speaker 3: Not too much, I guess, because you know, after going overseas,
Speaker 3: I mean I had to write my will out three
Speaker 3: different times. And being in the service as long as
Speaker 3: I was, I mean I served four in the Marines
Speaker 3: and six in the Army and National Guard. You know,
Speaker 3: maybe I should be maybe I should be like David
Speaker 3: Grush and see something interesting about David Grush. You know,
Speaker 3: he came forward over in Huntsville. Now you need to
Speaker 3: look into this woman. Her name was Amy Eskridge.
Speaker 2: You ever heard of her, I've heard the name.
Speaker 3: Yes, well, you remember David Grush was asked at the
Speaker 3: Congressional hearing whether or not he knew people that were killed,
Speaker 3: you know, to keep this quiet, or people that had
Speaker 3: been killed working on these these programs. Yes, well, Amy Eskridge,
Speaker 3: she supposedly committed suicide. She was working over in Huntsville,
Speaker 3: you know, on one of these I think she was
Speaker 3: a propulsion scientist. As a matter of fact, Oh my god.
Speaker 3: And I did a right up and read it about it.
Speaker 3: Maybe I'll try to send it to you, but I
Speaker 3: always thought it was odd that she supposedly committed suicide.
Speaker 3: And then all of a sudden, David Grush comes forward
Speaker 3: in Huntsville and he testifies to the fact that he
Speaker 3: knew scientists that were killed or harmed working on these programs.
Speaker 2: Right, And you know, I don't want to go into
Speaker 2: respect elition here but or speculation ville. But I mean,
Speaker 2: even when we talked back about you know, the Lazarre story,
Speaker 2: part of Lazarre's story was that he was brought in
Speaker 2: very quickly to replace a propulsion scientist in areas four.
Speaker 2: And maybe that's a little bit of the reason because
Speaker 2: his predecessor something had gone wrong and they were exposed
Speaker 2: to something or you know, he didn't know, but they died.
Speaker 2: So it definitely seems that people have been harmed in
Speaker 2: these programs, and it's being you know, it's either not
Speaker 2: making it to the public at all, you know, paying
Speaker 2: off the families to do whatever, or it's you know,
Speaker 2: it's being very it's it's very quietly swept under the
Speaker 2: rug if anything. And then it's you know, they'll put
Speaker 2: some controlled narrative in front of you to say oh look,
Speaker 2: ooh in awe and make you kind of forget what's
Speaker 2: actually going on.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, they're good at that, you know. And what
Speaker 3: I really hate is that I wish more military or
Speaker 3: ex military people would come out and talk, because there
Speaker 3: are people saying things right now that I know wouldn't happen,
Speaker 3: and you know, I try to keep those to myself
Speaker 3: because I know the military way of doing things, and
Speaker 3: some things would never happen the way they said they did.
Speaker 3: And a lot of times people that have never served,
Speaker 3: they won't catch those things because they just don't know
Speaker 3: how the military works, you know. And I wish more
Speaker 3: people would come out and talk because I guess one
Speaker 3: reason why I'm not really scared about things like that
Speaker 3: is because I'm not afraid of bad people. You know,
Speaker 3: if somebody's doing things that they shouldn't do, like, you know,
Speaker 3: hurting people to cover this up, that's wrong.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: If they're just hurting people to cover up the fact
Speaker 3: that this stuff is real, I think that's wrong. You know.
Speaker 3: I can understand secrecy for some things, like the technology
Speaker 3: part of it. I think most people just want to
Speaker 3: see whatever these things look like, the beings or whatever,
Speaker 3: and the craft, and I think people are just going
Speaker 3: about through life. I mean, just tell them it's real,
Speaker 3: tell them what these things look like, show them the craft,
Speaker 3: and be done. You know, I think they're being really
Speaker 3: childish about, you know, hiding all this stuff from the public.
Speaker 3: There's just no sense in it, you know, especially now
Speaker 3: with so many whistleblowers coming out now. Like we said
Speaker 3: earlier in the show, in the nineteen forties, I could
Speaker 3: understand why you would maybe want to keep this quiet
Speaker 3: because it would be what they call an ontological shock,
Speaker 3: you know, with people back in those days finding out that,
Speaker 3: you know, there's aliens and UFOs and all this stuff,
Speaker 3: because at that time we had not even been to
Speaker 3: outer space, you know, we were still just learning to.
Speaker 2: Fly right right and as fars for that long.
Speaker 3: So but now I think people could handle it, and
Speaker 3: I wish they would because I'm tired of knowing all
Speaker 3: this stuff that I know is real because I've seen it,
Speaker 3: and I've got neighbors that don't have a clue about
Speaker 3: it that could care less. But I think when some
Speaker 3: people are going to find doubt about it and it
Speaker 3: hits them that it's real, it's going to be up
Speaker 3: to people who have dealt with it for a while too.
Speaker 3: You know, kind of calm them down from it, because
Speaker 3: I gradually, you know, came to that realization over the
Speaker 3: years after denying it, you know, for so many years thinking,
Speaker 3: you know, you know, that's not what I saw, and
Speaker 3: just trying to put it behind me. But when I
Speaker 3: came to grips with it, you know, I just wanted
Speaker 3: to talk about.
Speaker 2: It because and that's and that's the thing, Bill is,
Speaker 2: It's it's a it's a very unique topic. And you know,
Speaker 2: people have asked me many times, like, oh, what didn't
Speaker 2: disclosure kind of kill your show? I was like, no,
Speaker 2: it would only enhance it because people would people then
Speaker 2: look to people like myself as you know, maybe comforting
Speaker 2: figures that you know, can can bring them into the
Speaker 2: fold and.
Speaker 4: To guide them.
Speaker 2: You know, because listen, I've had I've had many, many,
Speaker 2: many military personnel on the show, and I've had many
Speaker 2: people on the show, experiencers, researchers, scientists, members of Congress.
Speaker 2: You know, I've been to hearings, I've been invited to hearings.
Speaker 2: You know, I've seen I saw I watched Alizondo testify.
Speaker 2: You know, this is a reality for me, And you're
Speaker 2: right when you say that you know, people do have
Speaker 2: to be careful because you know, or in our government
Speaker 2: has to be careful because you know, the non human intelligence.
Speaker 2: They might get sick of waiting and being so secretive,
Speaker 2: and they might think that we are ready where the
Speaker 2: government says we are. We don't know who's in control necessarily.
Speaker 2: But if there was an immediate disclosure like Craft over
Speaker 2: the White House, right, and it was sitting there, landed
Speaker 2: on the White House lawn, that's what we call chaos,
Speaker 2: an uncontrolled disclosure right in the sense that it happens
Speaker 2: instantaneously to everyone all at once, and that can be
Speaker 2: a psychologic psychological variable where you do not know how
Speaker 2: society will react. Now, on the other hand, what we
Speaker 2: seem to be getting is a slow drip controlled disclosure
Speaker 2: by people who have gone through Dobbser the DoD pre
Speaker 2: publication and been given these talking points essentially that they
Speaker 2: can talk and speak on, and we are Do you
Speaker 2: think that we're Do you think that we're in a
Speaker 2: controlled disclosure?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I do, because there it seems to me like
Speaker 3: the media is there one by just a few groups
Speaker 3: of people or a few people that have come out
Speaker 3: and talked about this and they're the ones that they follow,
Speaker 3: and any any person that you know, tries to say
Speaker 3: something else, you know, they just kind of push them aside.
Speaker 3: And you know, they they listen to the ones who
Speaker 3: they think are telling them the truth. And who knows,
Speaker 3: I mean the media being on it too with them, I.
Speaker 2: Just well we know we I mean Bill, we Bill,
Speaker 2: we know that. Guys like or let's let's let's talk
Speaker 2: about Air Force intelligence. Air Force intelligence is there. They've
Speaker 2: been widely i mean inside the intelligence community. They act
Speaker 2: as if they are outside of it. Right, They don't
Speaker 2: play ball with the other intelligence agencies.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they've been people for years and they don't care
Speaker 3: a lot, right.
Speaker 2: And os I has been and embedding and paying for
Speaker 2: news to either be i mean scrapped before it will
Speaker 2: ever see the light of day. And they pay them well.
Speaker 2: They pay them well. According to sources like Richard Dody.
Speaker 2: That's how you keep these people happy. There's these quid
Speaker 2: pro quos between the CIA and intelligence communities and the
Speaker 2: news outlets like listen, and they just have to slap
Speaker 2: a national security order on it or like this will
Speaker 2: hurt national security, and the outlet will run it because
Speaker 2: they want to keep their access, so to speak, with
Speaker 2: the government. So it's this, it's this self perpetuating secretive
Speaker 2: compartmental is compartmentalized machine where everybody's trying to, you know,
Speaker 2: keep themselves in the lifestyle they are used to. So
Speaker 2: anyone like you who goes against the grain doesn't go
Speaker 2: get seek approval from dobbsare to come out and talk
Speaker 2: about what he's talking about, you're seen as a potential
Speaker 2: threat to national security. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I talked to Richard Dowdy actually about my experience on
Speaker 3: egg Lennon. He said, I don't know anything about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but well, what I like about Richard is he's
Speaker 2: either the best liar in the in the world or
Speaker 2: he's telling the truth. Yeah, it's it's one or the other.
Speaker 2: Because the guy is upfront and honest at least now
Speaker 2: about every you know. I think he goes a little
Speaker 2: bit too far on some of the stuff, but he's
Speaker 2: very like if he doesn't know something about something, he'll say,
Speaker 2: I don't I don't know. I wasn't there. But you know,
Speaker 2: he's someone I I I generally can get a good
Speaker 2: read on folk. I cannot read that guy for the
Speaker 2: life of me, because like.
Speaker 3: And that's the way he wants it. I mean, that's
Speaker 3: his job, that was his job anyway, and know he's
Speaker 3: trained to do that. I've spoke to Linda multen Howe
Speaker 3: to tell her about it, and I spoke to all
Speaker 3: and they all tell me, you know that my story
Speaker 3: wasn't that significant.
Speaker 2: So here's here's what.
Speaker 4: Here's where I want to deviate.
Speaker 2: I respect Ross for what he has tried and is
Speaker 2: doing for the community and the sense of legit, you know,
Speaker 2: bringing some legitimacy to it, you know, in the news world,
Speaker 2: because I mean he.
Speaker 4: Is award winning journalist.
Speaker 2: Linda moulten Howe also an award winning journalist.
Speaker 4: I've had Linda on the show.
Speaker 2: She you know, she uh, you tried. I give them
Speaker 2: the respect that they've earned. But I also think that
Speaker 2: some of these people in the UFO world, they are
Speaker 2: they like, either unwittingly or subliminally become gatekeepers whether they
Speaker 2: whether they know it or not, they end up getting
Speaker 2: to this point in the community where they're on the
Speaker 2: cutting edge or the lot the cutting edge, if you will,
Speaker 2: like the David Grush stuff in Ross Coltart, seems every whistleblower,
Speaker 2: in order to be legitimate. You have to do a
Speaker 2: News Nation interview with Ross Coultart, and you know you did,
Speaker 2: but you came away with it obviously a little bit
Speaker 2: really different than David Grush.
Speaker 4: How does your story?
Speaker 2: I find your story to be amazing and fills in
Speaker 2: a lot of gaps and tells me who you are
Speaker 2: as a person and what you can provide to the
Speaker 2: community and what you can't provide. You seem like a
Speaker 2: very genuine, honest person. So for Ross to say that
Speaker 2: it disheartens me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he told me at the end of the interview.
Speaker 3: He didn't that I saw a thing. It's like, okay,
Speaker 3: you know, but he was. The whole interview was rushed.
Speaker 3: I was nervous, and you know, I was used. I
Speaker 3: had at that point done to maybe two podcasts, and
Speaker 3: you know, I thought it was going to be that
Speaker 3: kind of format when No, when I got in there,
Speaker 3: it was more like an inquisition.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a it's a deposition, is what it is.
Speaker 3: And it's hard for me to talk about this stuff.
Speaker 3: It's not easy because it's something very personal to me,
Speaker 3: and it's hard enough to talk about this subject, especially
Speaker 3: for people who don't believe in it anyway. And I've never,
Speaker 3: you know, tried to collect money off of what I've said.
Speaker 3: I've never tried to sell a book. You know, I
Speaker 3: couldn't make money if I wanted to because I'm a
Speaker 3: disabled VET and you certain VA type things as far
Speaker 3: as disability goes, you cannot make money over a certain amount.
Speaker 2: Right And for anyone who want wants to know, he
Speaker 2: didn't ask me for money to do an interview. Actually
Speaker 2: the you know, probably the opposite, you know, Uh, I
Speaker 2: think what we what we lack in this community is
Speaker 2: is something that we've only gained in the last few years,
Speaker 2: and that is this. It seems like there's honestly like
Speaker 2: a wealth of riches in the terms of UH witnesses
Speaker 2: and high, highly credible individuals saying things so much so
Speaker 2: that people are willing to literally push your story to
Speaker 2: the side given you know, given your credentials. You sent
Speaker 2: me your DD two fourteen all that stuff. I mean,
Speaker 2: you send me every you send me everything you think
Speaker 2: you needed to for me to be comfortable with what
Speaker 2: you said. And we've lost something in the last few years,
Speaker 2: and that's listening to people. I mean, we'll put someone
Speaker 2: in jail for their whole life on witness testimony, and
Speaker 2: here we are in this community where we're really reliant
Speaker 2: on people's testimony, and then when we hear what we
Speaker 2: decide that your story's not as good as David Grushes.
Speaker 2: So we're just going to focus on that. It's all
Speaker 2: makes sense.
Speaker 3: You know, and you know, in my own opinion, I mean,
Speaker 3: I know, David Grousher's story is a lot better than mine.
Speaker 2: It's sexier.
Speaker 3: But you know, David Grush is actually the only guy
Speaker 3: that I trust at this point that's came out. I
Speaker 3: believe he's the only one that's to me, been really
Speaker 3: authentic and cares about getting to the truth instead of
Speaker 3: you know, you know people that in my opinion, if
Speaker 3: you're going to tell people the truth, that shouldn't cost anything.
Speaker 3: You know, if you're really trying to help mankind of
Speaker 3: what you're doing, you should not be, you know, trying
Speaker 3: to charge people for that. And that's just my own
Speaker 3: personal belief.
Speaker 2: So so let me ask you this. Let's pushing pushing
Speaker 2: the the I don't know, the narrative stuff away. I
Speaker 2: want to now that we've gotten a lot of your
Speaker 2: experiences out in the open, I want to talk about
Speaker 2: and we're going to get to some speculation of course here,
Speaker 2: and that's just naturally how it goes. But what what
Speaker 2: do you think our visitors? I mean, I don't want
Speaker 2: to ask you what you think they want, but given
Speaker 2: your your your record in your your service, does this
Speaker 2: seem like a science endeavor? Does this seem like some
Speaker 2: sort of like given all the stories, what do you
Speaker 2: think is going on? Well?
Speaker 3: I think some of these, whatever they are, are good
Speaker 3: and some of them are bad. Because we've heard a
Speaker 3: lot of stories about things that have been done to people,
Speaker 3: you know, I've become a real big student of different
Speaker 3: UFO incidents and things like that, you know, and there's
Speaker 3: been cases where people were dropped off. I think one
Speaker 3: I read about was out in England. This guy he
Speaker 3: was missing and when they found him, they found him
Speaker 3: on a pile of cotton or fruit or something. His
Speaker 3: pants were on backwards, his shirt was on backwards. I
Speaker 3: think his underwear didn't even belong to him. It was
Speaker 3: really strange stuff. And I just think that just like people,
Speaker 3: there's good people, bad people, you know. I think it
Speaker 3: could be the case with these things. There could be
Speaker 3: good ones and bad ones. Because at this point, if
Speaker 3: you believe that we're not the only species in the universe.
Speaker 3: You've got to believe that there's other things out there,
Speaker 3: and not all of them have our best interests in mind.
Speaker 3: And you know, I understand the government and the military
Speaker 3: wants to protect it the citizens, and they're not going
Speaker 3: to tell you that they can't protect you. I mean,
Speaker 3: I fought the VA for years.
Speaker 2: You know, found and I think you were talking about Zigmund, right, Zigmundsky.
Speaker 3: That sounds Are you talking about the guy in England?
Speaker 2: Yeah, he woke up twenty miles like away and on
Speaker 2: a cold Yeah. Yeah, his pants backwards. Yeah that that
Speaker 2: was in Where was that that.
Speaker 3: Was in maybe the seventies or something or eighties?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah it was. And so Sigmund's body was lying
Speaker 2: on top of a pile of coal. He was wearing
Speaker 2: a suit, but his shirt, watch, and wallet all that
Speaker 2: were missing. On the back of his head, neck and
Speaker 2: shoulders were mysterious burns. Part of his clothes were backwards.
Speaker 2: I think that's the case.
Speaker 3: And you know, I have a theory as to why
Speaker 3: these things keep their distance. You know, we know about
Speaker 3: the Virginia incident and absolutely and we know that the
Speaker 3: policemen that grabbed the thing called a disease and died.
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, Marco Cheriz, I have.
Speaker 3: A theory that one of the reasons they keep their
Speaker 3: distance is because they know that they could hurt us.
Speaker 2: Well, here's here's a here's a crazy thing. Because now
Speaker 2: I want to talk about some patterns here. We look
Speaker 2: at the Virginia alien, we look at the archetypal alien,
Speaker 2: and then in Virginia the case specifically, there was this
Speaker 2: really really poignant and pungent smell of ammonia. And we
Speaker 2: talk about these craft being underwater, going underwater a lot.
Speaker 2: I know the researchers on Virginia, the current researchers like
Speaker 2: Marc o Leal, and they have a theory that these
Speaker 2: were amphibious beings and that they lived underwater and that's
Speaker 2: why when they were above water they stayed out of
Speaker 2: the sun.
Speaker 4: They were giving off this smell.
Speaker 2: You know, they were out of their element, if you will,
Speaker 2: and they were you know, it was a defense mechanism
Speaker 2: of their body. And I mean, we talk about, you know,
Speaker 2: how these things might have bases in our oceans, and
Speaker 2: that's where they're coming and going from. And then, like
Speaker 2: you said in Virginia that case where maybe they are
Speaker 2: keeping their distance because there is some byproduct that you know,
Speaker 2: we can we could you know, we get we get
Speaker 2: too close and we catch something that we some space disease,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you a good example of that. There was
Speaker 3: a general down there who was tasked with investigating UFOs
Speaker 3: down in South America. I think he since passed away,
Speaker 3: but he investigated like thousands of cases down there, and
Speaker 3: someone asked him, They said, well, what do you think
Speaker 3: why do they stay away? And he said, it would
Speaker 3: be like if my military group went into the jungle
Speaker 3: and we met a primitive trial out there that wasn't
Speaker 3: vaccinated for some kind of disease we carried, we could
Speaker 3: kill the whole.
Speaker 2: Village, and we have in the past. This is something
Speaker 2: that is this is something that has actually happened in history,
Speaker 2: and that is a very very good it's a very
Speaker 2: good point because and I mean, in many ways we
Speaker 2: can look at these I mean, because then there's the
Speaker 2: other side, Right, there's the cargo cult. Right. They this
Speaker 2: primitive tribe sees World War two planes and soldiers and
Speaker 2: all the technology that they have, and they end up
Speaker 2: worshiping them because when they come and they fly in
Speaker 2: from the heavens, they deliver food. Right, So then these
Speaker 2: cargo cults form where they're you know, carving what looks
Speaker 2: like planes out of you know, like branches, intead of
Speaker 2: making figurines of planes, you know, worshiping them because they're
Speaker 2: chariots of the gods for you know, to these these tribes.
Speaker 2: And I mean we look at this from all these
Speaker 2: different angles, right the Amazon, like you talked about that,
Speaker 2: there was the tribe in the Amazon that ended up
Speaker 2: getting they all died out of disease. Christopher Columbus. Uh,
Speaker 2: there's the the stories of them coming here and getting
Speaker 2: bringing smallpox or whatever it was. But these are all
Speaker 2: these are all things have been warranted when an advanced
Speaker 2: culture meets a primitive culture, right, And so put that
Speaker 2: in a larger bucket. And we have the relationship with
Speaker 2: the others.
Speaker 3: And I'll tell you something else. If you watched what
Speaker 3: they were saying the other day when you had Louel Zonda,
Speaker 3: there a'b lowe. Doctor Eric Davis, he's another one of
Speaker 3: the guys I paid close attention to.
Speaker 2: Well, Obvi is a friend of mine.
Speaker 3: And doctor Davis started talking about these different kinds of
Speaker 3: extraterrestrials all of a sudden, because he's he he's got
Speaker 3: this way about when he has interviews of saying things
Speaker 3: that just make your ears stick straight up. But because
Speaker 3: if you.
Speaker 4: Were rather loud or salad.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, if you if you're going to stick somebody
Speaker 3: on UFO research, he would be a guy that would
Speaker 3: be on something like that. Anyway. He talked about the
Speaker 3: different races of these things, you know, he talked about
Speaker 3: Nordic's and he talked about these things. They didn't they
Speaker 3: weren't Reptilian, they were Reptiian, like I think, is what
Speaker 3: he said.
Speaker 2: Ah.
Speaker 3: I saw that, and I thought, yeah, you know, they
Speaker 3: probably know that there's good ones and bad ones out there,
Speaker 3: you know, if he's saying this stuff. Because I've often
Speaker 3: thought that all these different races that they've talked about
Speaker 3: could be just you know, something that that people were
Speaker 3: just assuming or just you know, made up or something
Speaker 3: you know. But he pretty much came out and started
Speaker 3: talking about different races of these things, and I thought,
Speaker 3: then they probably have some that are having our best
Speaker 3: interest in mind, and others that maybe you are not.
Speaker 2: So friendly, right, And I think also there is a
Speaker 2: there is a difference when it comes to being indifferent
Speaker 2: and being hostile, because I do think that obviously, you know,
Speaker 2: being indifferent or just not caring about what happens to
Speaker 2: a civilization doesn't necessarily mean you're hostile to it. It's
Speaker 2: just that you don't take it into consideration when you
Speaker 2: make decisions. And of course that could look hostile to
Speaker 2: us as observers, when it is in fact not so.
Speaker 2: I think, like you said, just with like humans and
Speaker 2: any advanced being, there's gonna be good, there's gonna be evil,
Speaker 2: and there's gonna be people that are in between or
Speaker 2: things that are in between. And I think we're probably
Speaker 2: dealing with a lot of all that. And it sounds
Speaker 2: like you think that the government knows that there's at
Speaker 2: least multiple multiple species out there, and we've had some
Speaker 2: form of communication or another with at least one to
Speaker 2: know about the others.
Speaker 3: And you have to take into consideration all the testimony
Speaker 3: of witnesses over the years that describe different kind of beings.
Speaker 3: I mean, there's a lot of similarities, a lot of
Speaker 3: you know, differences there, and you know a lot of
Speaker 3: these people, like I was watching one the other day
Speaker 3: I think it was from nineteen sixty six where this
Speaker 3: man and his whole family and the police department saw
Speaker 3: UFO and everybody around the town was coming to his
Speaker 3: house and like throwing beer bottles at his car, and
Speaker 3: he just said that, you know, if it happened again,
Speaker 3: if it landed right here in my front yard, I
Speaker 3: wouldn't report it, you know, because there was an active
Speaker 3: disinformation campaign back in those days, you know, from things
Speaker 3: like Project Bluebook that anybody that came forward, they discredited them,
Speaker 3: just like in Georgia, what happened to people around where
Speaker 3: I lived. If they, you know, came forward and said
Speaker 3: anything about it, they were disappearing or you know, putting
Speaker 3: a mental institution somewhere. And hey, I could tell it
Speaker 3: terrified my mother. It terrified her just knowing that I
Speaker 3: remembered it.
Speaker 2: That's a really interesting detail too, because your mother, you know,
Speaker 2: she probably lived with this memory, and you both lived
Speaker 2: with this memory, and she probably didn't think you remembered
Speaker 2: it because you're so young, and just didn't bring it
Speaker 2: up because she was trying to shelter you from it
Speaker 2: because maybe it was you know, as an adult, she
Speaker 2: was hearing things from the other people that you weren't
Speaker 2: obviously as a child, right, Adults have these conversations off
Speaker 2: to the side and we never remember them as kids.
Speaker 2: But your mom was probably hearing from other people that, hey,
Speaker 2: you know, if you saw that thing the other night,
Speaker 2: don't say anything, because you know Bill or John down
Speaker 2: the road, you know, he said something and he kind
Speaker 2: of just you know, ended up in a facility.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, back in those days, that's how a lot
Speaker 3: of things were handled. You just did.
Speaker 2: The white van pulled up and they jumped out.
Speaker 3: And gotcha, you know, just like you know military guys
Speaker 3: with the PTSD, you know, you know, after Vietnam and
Speaker 3: World War two and things. You know, they didn't talk
Speaker 3: about it. They just had to put it behind him.
Speaker 3: And later on it was diagnosed as PTSD.
Speaker 2: Yes, And so with all that being said, I mean,
Speaker 2: how much do you do you ever.
Speaker 4: Fear that the military or.
Speaker 2: So whoever's whoever's keeping these the ultimate secret I'm sure
Speaker 2: there's a lot of moving parts to it. But whoever's
Speaker 2: up there, whoever the secret keepers are, if we want
Speaker 2: to call them the cabal, or if you want to
Speaker 2: call them the deep State, call them whatever you want.
Speaker 2: Whoever's playing everyone else's strings. I mean, what do we do,
Speaker 2: what do we do as citizens to demand it, to
Speaker 2: demand the next level to organize in a fashion that's
Speaker 2: not obviously like militia. But how do we get if
Speaker 2: we're working against something like this, this machine? I mean,
Speaker 2: are we ever gonna do you think we'll ever get
Speaker 2: the truth?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I think a lot of the walls are coming
Speaker 3: down with this because you have so many credible whistleblower
Speaker 3: is coming out now. Light grush yourself. I think it
Speaker 3: hurts the community when people ask for money. I do.
Speaker 3: I just think that, yeah, when you know that. And
Speaker 3: something else that I've noticed about people who were really
Speaker 3: pushing you know, disclosure back in the early two thousands.
Speaker 3: They did great work in the beginning, and then it
Speaker 3: was like the further down the rabbit hole they got,
Speaker 3: the more crazier that they became. And that is one
Speaker 3: thing that I've seen with a couple of people that
Speaker 3: were really big in the UFO community, and it's just
Speaker 3: like it just turned them upside down over the years.
Speaker 3: And I think you have to, you know, keep an
Speaker 3: open mind about a lot of this because the more
Speaker 3: information you get, your your mind's going to change. About it,
Speaker 3: and I think that you have to weigh the evidence
Speaker 3: to say, well, this makes sense, this doesn't make sense,
Speaker 3: and go from there, you know, regardless if you've been
Speaker 3: in the military or not. You know, sometimes if something
Speaker 3: doesn't make sense, then it probably isn't true, right. And
Speaker 3: I think with more people, credible people coming out like
Speaker 3: that who aren't trying to charge people money or anything
Speaker 3: like that, and they're just they're just trying to, you know,
Speaker 3: tell you what they know. I think that eventually that
Speaker 3: all this will come out because I believe that the
Speaker 3: technology is the main reason it's covered up.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Absolutelyney money just makes people do crazy things.
Speaker 2: Greed is greed is a you know, greed is a
Speaker 2: greed is a son of a bitch, I'll say, yeah.
Speaker 3: And I think most people just want to say, hey,
Speaker 3: let me see the UFOs, let me see the beings
Speaker 3: or whatever. And you know, it would be better for
Speaker 3: them if they came out and admitted to it. That way,
Speaker 3: you could get people yea qualified to work on it
Speaker 3: and maybe you know, understand the technology better. If you
Speaker 3: would be more hoping and get people to work on
Speaker 3: these programs, that could help the progress of it alone.
Speaker 2: Right, And that's that's a huge I mean, you just
Speaker 2: hit on so many of the problems with so many things,
Speaker 2: and there's lots unpacked there for people. But essentially what
Speaker 2: you're saying is, you know what we're doing now is
Speaker 2: the there's these obviously these stove. The stove piping of
Speaker 2: information has got to such a degree that that you
Speaker 2: don't have the right people working on it. You only
Speaker 2: have the cleared people working on it, and those aren't
Speaker 2: always the same person. The person that's most most suited
Speaker 2: for the job isn't always going to be the one
Speaker 2: that's a narcissist and will go along with the cover up.
Speaker 2: So then they got to go to two, three, four,
Speaker 2: maybe the seventh qualified person, the first person that will
Speaker 2: keep the secret right and not not trying to open
Speaker 2: source it. And what you have is you have a
Speaker 2: lot of people who seem to start, like you said,
Speaker 2: in good places, good places. They want the best, but
Speaker 2: somewhere along the line they realize that they're either just
Speaker 2: you know, they they park their car at money making
Speaker 2: avenue and they never stop, or they get rich, get
Speaker 2: out and you'll never hear from again. Sell a book,
Speaker 2: sell few books.
Speaker 3: Now something else that people out to consider this is
Speaker 3: what if we know that some kind of trees like
Speaker 3: China or Russia are ahead of us in developing these
Speaker 3: technologies of they probably they have, and that might be
Speaker 3: a reason why they're telling us, because the only way
Speaker 3: they're going to get caught up with China and Russia
Speaker 3: is if they enlist people that knows what they're doing
Speaker 3: to help the projects alone, or we can get up
Speaker 3: to speed with them and match them. That might be
Speaker 3: a reason why you know that they're being a little
Speaker 3: bit more open now.
Speaker 2: And you know you said something, you said something earlier,
Speaker 2: and I don't know why it won't come to me now,
Speaker 2: but I just I just had it. You said something
Speaker 2: earlier that really resonated with me, and I'm I'm gonna
Speaker 2: have to ah, man, I'm having one of those brain
Speaker 2: fog moments. I just had it on the tip of
Speaker 2: my tongue. But I'll go I'll get back to that
Speaker 2: because I want to talk about what you're What you're
Speaker 2: saying is, you know, we're almost in this like cold
Speaker 2: war with other countries and other nations to reverse engineer
Speaker 2: this stuff to be you know, ahead of the curve,
Speaker 2: and right now where being opened up to the information. Obviously,
Speaker 2: the world is more connected than it's ever been. People
Speaker 2: are starting to question more. A lot of people are
Speaker 2: coming out and saying that there are these things, you
Speaker 2: know that exists that are of non human origin. So
Speaker 2: the story is kind of everything is coming to a head,
Speaker 2: and it's interesting to see who comes out of the woodwork, right,
Speaker 2: because there's guys like you, and then there's guys like
Speaker 2: Jay Stratton or Elizondo or Jake Barber David Grush. I mean,
Speaker 2: you've got all these types of personalities and all this
Speaker 2: credential behind it. Yet nobody's nobody's burning down the White
Speaker 2: House fence to get in and get the UFO files. Right,
Speaker 2: everyone's got their head on straight. Still, the bills still
Speaker 2: need to get paid, they still need to go to work.
Speaker 2: Nothing's collapsed yet, right, And eventually so at Eglin, at
Speaker 2: other Air Force bases around the world, military members have
Speaker 2: seen things of pretty pretty high importance, and you know
Speaker 2: it's it's there's this pressure on the government to come
Speaker 2: come clean, but there's also an incentive. However, However, we
Speaker 2: talk about the secrecy, the secrecy being the technology, but
Speaker 2: what if, what if?
Speaker 4: What if it's a weird situation.
Speaker 2: Where those are the aliens are somehow responsible for us
Speaker 2: being here right, where some genetic erment right or advanced
Speaker 2: like they advanced the DNA. Uh And and you know
Speaker 2: there are creators. What if it's that type of information
Speaker 2: that's being secret, that's the big secret? Right? Are we
Speaker 2: ready to be face to face with our creator?
Speaker 4: Literally?
Speaker 3: Well if I've always thought that the word revelations in
Speaker 3: the Bible was a real interesting word, especially nowadays.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I okay, so yes, now now I so
Speaker 2: the angle I'm going on as obviously you know, one
Speaker 2: that's been talked about many times. Right, advanced civilizations from
Speaker 2: the past tie into this. Uh you know, what if
Speaker 2: what if what we're once called gods are just now
Speaker 2: we're calling them aliens?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 2: And what if that's the source for all? I mean,
Speaker 2: we know that there are people in the government, still
Speaker 2: in the military, still that think this is all angels
Speaker 2: and demons, and they don't want to fuck with it
Speaker 2: because they don't want to elicit some demonic response.
Speaker 3: So they have this, yeah, to just automatically assume that
Speaker 3: is really a shortcut way of thinking. But that is
Speaker 3: how our government works. There's people like that up there
Speaker 3: that you know, just think like that and we're at
Speaker 3: their mercy. You know, we we have to deal with
Speaker 3: whatever decisions they make. And what we can do as
Speaker 3: a people is put pressure on those people. And you know,
Speaker 3: pressure is something that a lot of people don't understand
Speaker 3: really works. Well, you know, I learned that in the military.
Speaker 5: And you.
Speaker 3: Have politicians that think that things are supposed to be
Speaker 3: one way, and the people get together and they say, no,
Speaker 3: you know, we don't want to do it that way.
Speaker 3: You know, you just have to look at the Vietnam War.
Speaker 3: You know what stopped that war.
Speaker 2: We're prote is beautiful example.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sure works.
Speaker 2: But do you do you think there's a chance that
Speaker 2: you know, we may be dealing with with information that's
Speaker 2: been uh, Like, you know, I always found it odd
Speaker 2: that we're species that doesn't know its own origin story.
Speaker 2: But what if it's like that by design? You know,
Speaker 2: what what if like you know, Graham Hancocks says, where
Speaker 2: a species with amnesia, all of our ancestors talk about
Speaker 2: these sky beings and these you know, these beings that
Speaker 2: came from the heavens, you know, and when we look
Speaker 2: at that, now, that just sounds like craft that came
Speaker 2: from the sky. That literally sounds like they're describing a UFO.
Speaker 2: Do you think that that people have been in touch
Speaker 2: with non human intelligence for as long as we've been here.
Speaker 3: I don't know if it goes that far back. But
Speaker 3: the only the only case that I know of were
Speaker 3: supposedly some beings made contact with our government. I think
Speaker 3: it was the one in nineteen sixty or sixty one
Speaker 3: out in thing. It was New Mexico, the base out there, Yeah,
Speaker 3: they were the craft landed and wanted to halm.
Speaker 2: In Air Yeah, the Holoman Air Force base landing.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And one of the astronauts actually said that that happened.
Speaker 3: Edgar mentioned, well, not only him, but it was the
Speaker 3: one of the original Apollo astronauts, not Gus Grissom, it was.
Speaker 3: He was one of the first, the original seven Oh wows. Yes,
Speaker 3: Gordon Cooper. Yes, him, he said that story.
Speaker 2: Was real, that they filmed it.
Speaker 3: They filmed it, and I've seen the documentary. It was
Speaker 3: titled UFO's Past Present In I saw it. It was
Speaker 3: originally narrated by Rod Serling. And at the end you
Speaker 3: do see the craft coming down and then it cuts off.
Speaker 3: But the filmmakers said that originally they were going to
Speaker 3: show the entire thing and that was going to be disclosure. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's a very interesting documentary with other things that are
Speaker 3: in it if you watch it. Because there was the Hector.
Speaker 3: He was a Hispanic guy, Hector one, Uh, trying to
Speaker 3: think of his last name. He was, he was over
Speaker 3: Project blue Book. He talked about Quintinilla. I think that
Speaker 3: was his name.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, Edward Quintinilla.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, he said that they had sent people to
Speaker 3: Canada or it may have been New York City. There
Speaker 3: was a woman claiming she was in contact with these
Speaker 3: beings and they were talking through her, and they sent
Speaker 3: CIA agents to her house to talk to these things.
Speaker 3: And if you've never seen that documentary, you should watch
Speaker 3: it because this was heavily into Project Blue Book. I
Speaker 3: think he was over the entire thing.
Speaker 2: Yes, Well, there's another big part of this, this Hollman
Speaker 2: story and something that you touched upon earlier. Uh, you know,
Speaker 2: pressure being an ultimate tool of the people. Because the
Speaker 2: reason now Nixon was the president at that time and
Speaker 2: Nixon in was directing that information flow is allegedly this
Speaker 2: is allegedly, of course, but it was the Nixon administration
Speaker 2: at the time that was giving the go ahead to
Speaker 2: kind of funnel this information out, and then Watergate happens,
Speaker 2: so that obviously takes a backseat, right and the CIA decides,
Speaker 2: you know that they're not going to get it, go
Speaker 2: ahead and deliver upon the footage that they promised the
Speaker 2: filmmaker and which you know, they got like that couple seconds,
Speaker 2: like you said, that was in the film. But there
Speaker 2: was this alleged landing, and Gordon Cooper and Nashtvenauts you know,
Speaker 2: obviously spoke of the landing. But the beings that got
Speaker 2: out were reported to look like very tall, and they
Speaker 2: dressed in like what we would look like a Native
Speaker 2: American would dress it, and.
Speaker 3: Believe they had some kind of head divice song.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, so it raises many questions, of course, right,
Speaker 2: the whole the whole thing raises so many questions, like
Speaker 2: you know, because again the Native Americans they talk about
Speaker 2: these sky people, these these you know, as the origins
Speaker 2: of of of our species. Uh so you just got
Speaker 2: to ask yourself, you know, is it possible that we've
Speaker 2: always had a relationship with this non human intelligence?
Speaker 3: Because I wonder how far it goes back.
Speaker 2: Yes, it absolutely does, because if what was the first
Speaker 2: intelligence agency, it was the church. The Church of course,
Speaker 2: I mean, And then we talked about the nineteen thirty
Speaker 2: three Magenta crash. Who's the one who hands it over
Speaker 2: the Vatican? So who's the first person, who's the first
Speaker 2: group that that covers this up. It's gotta be in religion, right.
Speaker 2: The religious leaders were the judge, jury, and executioner of
Speaker 2: the day for for a long time, only up until
Speaker 2: you know, modern modern history, modern modern history that it's
Speaker 2: not like that anymore, but for a long time.
Speaker 3: To the Council of Naseia, you know, they're the ones
Speaker 3: that put together what was going to be in the Bible.
Speaker 2: Right, and so history is being history is being very
Speaker 2: much selected. And again it brings me back to that
Speaker 2: point of.
Speaker 4: How do we not know our own origins?
Speaker 2: It seems like it's been designed to be that way,
Speaker 2: and it's very very I mean, the Tower of Babel
Speaker 2: story comes to mind.
Speaker 4: Right, humanity gets too close to the.
Speaker 2: Gods and we get struck in down, divided by language,
Speaker 2: divided by skin color, divided by nation and sovereignty and
Speaker 2: all this, all these things. Humans love to subjugate themselves
Speaker 2: and to put each other in. You know, like whatever
Speaker 2: makes us different is going to be what we kill
Speaker 2: each other over. Whether it's what we believe in or
Speaker 2: what we look like, it's always the source of our
Speaker 2: problem and when we learn to overcome that. And what
Speaker 2: I love about the UFO topic and non human intelligence
Speaker 2: is it almost brings all of humans to that equal
Speaker 2: playing field where we become earthlings, we become the human
Speaker 2: in non human intelligence, it brings us all to that
Speaker 2: level playing field. So you'd think that in this topic
Speaker 2: there be no discrimination, there be no division, but there is.
Speaker 2: There still is, And it's like why if humanity was
Speaker 2: working together, there's not one thing we could not accomplish,
Speaker 2: but we are, we're handicapped.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it makes you wonder, you know why they choose
Speaker 3: to do a lot of things that they do if
Speaker 3: you know they're trying to protect people. I mean, I
Speaker 3: can understand people, would you know, won't answers if you
Speaker 3: The thing is when you open the box just a
Speaker 3: little bit and you say one thing, that creates more
Speaker 3: questions and they're trying to get away from that.
Speaker 2: Right right, because there's this social and this is what
Speaker 2: you touched upon earlier, that that I was I wanted
Speaker 2: to get to. Thank god it came back to me
Speaker 2: because it was. But there's this social contract between a
Speaker 2: you know, a nation, it's people and it's government and
Speaker 2: you know the government military aspect. You keep us safe
Speaker 2: and we'll pay our taxes. Right there, it is, you
Speaker 2: keep us safe from everything that goes bump in the night, right,
Speaker 2: all the bullshit, and we'll we'll state stivil and obedient.
Speaker 2: And when that social contract is challenged, say, by wait,
Speaker 2: you're telling me that some alien species could pick me
Speaker 2: up at any time they wanted. There's nothing but a
Speaker 2: goddamn thing you could do about it. That when that
Speaker 2: question comes, it's going to be a hard one to answer.
Speaker 3: See, that's one I think that they don't want to
Speaker 3: answer because they know it's true, I believe.
Speaker 2: And what if they agreed to it?
Speaker 3: And that's something else, you know, maybe what if they
Speaker 3: didn't have no choice but to agree to it? Right? Right?
Speaker 2: I mean, we don't these questions come up.
Speaker 3: I mean there's a lot of unknowns there, and I think,
Speaker 3: you know, most people would just like to know, Hey,
Speaker 3: are these real? You know, most of us that follow
Speaker 3: the topic, No, it's real, either firsthand or just by
Speaker 3: what we've listened to the people that bothered to listen
Speaker 3: to it. Then you know, you have like I have neighbors.
Speaker 3: If I mentioned it, they just look at me, you know,
Speaker 3: a little crazy or something. So I just don't mention
Speaker 3: it to certain people, you know, Uh.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean I just I went to a wake
Speaker 2: or a celebration of life yesterday, and I mean, do
Speaker 2: you know how many people looked at me and go,
Speaker 2: you know, and just went just you know, these people
Speaker 2: I've grown up with, I've been I've interacted with them
Speaker 2: on so many different occasions before this, when I was
Speaker 2: still the same person. But now that I'm the guy
Speaker 2: who goes to Congress and you know, has conversations about aliens,
Speaker 2: I mean, I get looked at very differently now. And
Speaker 2: it was very uncomfortable to be where I was yesterday.
Speaker 2: And honestly I had a very big, kind of like
Speaker 2: panic attack towards the end because people are starting to
Speaker 2: hit me with the these questions like you know, why
Speaker 2: do you do this? Or you know what you know?
Speaker 2: Or looking at me like that, like their eyes kind
Speaker 2: of glaze over when you talk.
Speaker 3: You look at them like where's your curiosity?
Speaker 2: I'm like, how can you not be in Yeah, sometimes
Speaker 2: I feel like cursed knowledge.
Speaker 3: You don't really have to be crazy to be curious
Speaker 3: about it. I mean, but when you've got really high
Speaker 3: officials or or ex military come out and telling you
Speaker 3: this is real, you ought to be interested in asking
Speaker 3: more questions.
Speaker 2: And that, my friend, That, my friend is the fundamental truth,
Speaker 2: right when someone who has your military career, when someone
Speaker 2: who has and not to say that just because someone's
Speaker 2: in the military gives them a blanket of credibility, it doesn't,
Speaker 2: but it gives you that added layer of This is
Speaker 2: a trained observer. This is someone that government spent our
Speaker 2: tax dollars to make you the best of the best
Speaker 2: at you know, a lot of things. They spent a
Speaker 2: lot of money on you, uh and and and spend
Speaker 2: a lot of money in they don't spend enough money
Speaker 2: and re integrating you guys into society, but they definitely
Speaker 2: spend a lot of money taking you out of society
Speaker 2: to be uh, to become what you become. And and
Speaker 2: my hat's off to you. You know, I definitely I
Speaker 2: could not be that person. But we owe it to
Speaker 2: you to hear you out. We owe it to you
Speaker 2: to take what you say seriously, and this is where
Speaker 2: a lot of people go wrong. And I'm sorry that
Speaker 2: you've dealt with that because I find you to be
Speaker 2: highly credible, and you know, it kind of breaks my heart, man,
Speaker 2: that that people don't that people aren't taking and I
Speaker 2: know you're not seeking fame and for or anything like that,
Speaker 2: but the fact that you're trying to tell your story
Speaker 2: and people are saying it's it's not.
Speaker 3: Well, the one person you know, I thought would listen,
Speaker 3: you know, when I talked to Roz. You know, I've
Speaker 3: watched his interviews and you know, he seemed like a
Speaker 3: generally curious guy.
Speaker 4: But did he reach out to you?
Speaker 3: No? No, I, like I said, I wanted to tell
Speaker 3: my story to him and be done with it. You know.
Speaker 3: That's that was my tensions. And uh, like I said,
Speaker 3: he's got the biggest platform on national news for anybody
Speaker 3: to talk about it, and I thought, well, you know,
Speaker 3: maybe this guy will see the importance of what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: And all he wanted to know was if I'd seen
Speaker 3: a UF one eggland, you know, and and.
Speaker 2: You know why there's that there's the whole story about
Speaker 2: the pilots and that ye sighting, the sighting at Eggland
Speaker 2: Air Force Base. So I think what they were trying
Speaker 2: to do is corroborate that story because the members of
Speaker 2: Congress had gone down to Eggland and then been rejected,
Speaker 2: rejected the interview with the pilots until you know, the
Speaker 2: members of Congress made a few calls and demanded that
Speaker 2: they get to see the pilot. So I think what
Speaker 2: they were trying to do was validate through someone who
Speaker 2: was on the ground at Eggland with what was currently
Speaker 2: kind of happening around that topic. So I think you
Speaker 2: were almost used as an attempted corroboration that went wrong,
Speaker 2: and that is why they kind of pushed it. Now
Speaker 2: that's my that's my observation.
Speaker 3: Of course, Yeah, they have a narrative, you know that
Speaker 3: they're they're they're trying to push and you know, they
Speaker 3: have a story that that they think that they're on
Speaker 3: to a certain kind of story, and some other story
Speaker 3: comes out that don't really go along with it's what
Speaker 3: they're trying to say. You know, it just kind of
Speaker 3: gets pushed to the side, and you know, I realize
Speaker 3: sometimes that stories don't come out for like a year
Speaker 3: or so. Is what I've been told yeah, and I
Speaker 3: just told them, you know, don't worry about airing my story.
Speaker 3: You know, if I said yeah, I'm sorry that he
Speaker 3: didn't believe what I had to say. And when the
Speaker 3: guy that just came out a few days ago, Chris
Speaker 3: Mellan was and I've heard Chris Mellan talk a few
Speaker 3: times about our capabilities about what we can see, you know,
Speaker 3: because anytime stuff comes out, people like Senator Gillibrand will say,
Speaker 3: you know, maybe we can get some more censors up
Speaker 3: there and see these things a little bit more clearly.
Speaker 3: And I'm just like, no, y'all can do that now.
Speaker 3: And you know it, y'all can see them clearly now.
Speaker 3: They just don't want to show their cards on that deal.
Speaker 3: But he he knew that they could do it, and
Speaker 3: I knew the place he was talking about.
Speaker 2: That could do it. And that's the thing is, you know,
Speaker 2: we get all these really grainy videos of you know,
Speaker 2: what might be something. You know, they really like this
Speaker 2: tic tac shape craft. But you know what you're saying
Speaker 2: is if they can, if they have the capabilities that
Speaker 2: you know that they have, then there's some we we
Speaker 2: have an abundance of, you know, HD four K resolution
Speaker 2: photos or videos and or videos of these craft, but
Speaker 2: we just don't want to show it because they're controlling
Speaker 2: what gets out that they don't want to. I mean,
Speaker 2: do you think that a man, why do you think
Speaker 2: they won't show us man? Why do you think they
Speaker 2: won't show us the HD photo or at least one
Speaker 2: of them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I think it's just a matter of time
Speaker 3: before someone leaks it, you know. I think some of
Speaker 3: the people that are coming forward there that they're walking
Speaker 3: it out to people.
Speaker 2: What do you think the best UFO footage out there
Speaker 2: that you've seen.
Speaker 3: As the one I was talking about earlier, the one
Speaker 3: in Cuba, if you look at the UFO over Cuba, Yeah,
Speaker 3: it is the the best one. I mean, it's very clear.
Speaker 3: It's probably the best footage I've ever seen. It is
Speaker 3: a craft that you see. It's like a boomerang shape
Speaker 3: and it has this thing on the bottom. It's kind
Speaker 3: of like an S shape. It's like it looks like
Speaker 3: a power source and it starts rotating on the bottom
Speaker 3: and it consumes the entire craft. It lights up the
Speaker 3: whole craft. The whole craft turns into this looks like
Speaker 3: a battle of fire. It looks like a glowing fire,
Speaker 3: exactly exactly what I saw when I was a kid.
Speaker 3: And that's the closest thing and the best thing I've
Speaker 3: seen out there, and I'm surprised that it's not really
Speaker 3: well known.
Speaker 2: Have you ever seen the Turkey UFO video? Yeah, I
Speaker 2: saw what do you what do you think of that
Speaker 2: video footage?
Speaker 3: It's okay? But the one over Cuba that I saw
Speaker 3: is I mean you see the whole craft. I mean,
Speaker 3: it's it's amazing.
Speaker 2: I I oh, I think I think I might have
Speaker 2: it here.
Speaker 4: Sorry for anyone who's listening, only.
Speaker 2: Can you see that?
Speaker 3: That's it?
Speaker 2: What I've never seen this, I've never seen this.
Speaker 3: Watch it.
Speaker 2: This looks like a still image of this interesting video
Speaker 2: was filmed in the sky of Cuba.
Speaker 3: As you can see, the upho has a very strange
Speaker 3: design in the middle part of photo. There's a lot
Speaker 3: of video.
Speaker 2: Will gradually improve the video. What do you think there is?
Speaker 2: Oh my god? What the fuck?
Speaker 4: Holy ship? And this is broad day.
Speaker 3: That looks exactly a lot what I saw.
Speaker 2: Holy Ship. I want to see it kind of like
Speaker 2: envelope and this is kind of like what you said
Speaker 2: you saw.
Speaker 3: Yeah, when it was lit up the way it's lit
Speaker 3: up when it covers the entire shop. That's exactly what
Speaker 3: I saw.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that is wild. I wonder what they're saying,
Speaker 2: probably like holy shit, there's probably other videos better.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you can say at the bottom it's some
Speaker 3: type of energy source that it has.
Speaker 2: Well, that that is fucking crazy looking. I've never seen
Speaker 2: this footage. This is blowing my mind.
Speaker 3: To me. I think there is the best one out there.
Speaker 2: Oh you might be right, dude, I think you might
Speaker 2: be odd to something with that. That is that is
Speaker 2: holy ship for anyone who's just listening. You guys gotta
Speaker 2: check out that video. So look up Cuba. Uh clear
Speaker 2: video footage of a UFO in Cuba. That's the first
Speaker 2: time that comes up. But so so that's similar to
Speaker 2: what you saw, like, uh, you know something.
Speaker 3: Whatever energy source is that that covered the craft. What
Speaker 3: I saw, it was completely covered the craft. And like
Speaker 3: I said, my mother when she saw it, it had
Speaker 3: lost its glow and it was just sitting there and
Speaker 3: I think it had just landed when when I saw
Speaker 3: and then it moved because when I saw it, it
Speaker 3: was it was kind of drifting over to my left.
Speaker 3: When I was looking at it, and the next day
Speaker 3: when we went out there to the field where we
Speaker 3: had seen it, it had came over more to the
Speaker 3: center of the trailer park where we lived. I'm trying
Speaker 3: to go back there in the next few weeks where
Speaker 3: we saw it, and I'm going to try to take
Speaker 3: some video and see see if I can't go to
Speaker 3: the field. The last time I went there, it was
Speaker 3: all deserted. There's not any trailers there now, it was
Speaker 3: just empty spaces and there were the field was still there.
Speaker 3: The barbed war fence was still there. And I'm gonna
Speaker 3: try to see if I can go inside the field
Speaker 3: and find out who owns it to see if they
Speaker 3: mind if I go out there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well send send Well, you sent me your phone number,
Speaker 2: so I'll definitely be keeping in touch obviously, But I
Speaker 2: would love to see, you know, because there's something about
Speaker 2: when people go back to their sighting spot, you know,
Speaker 2: maybe do a little I don't know, try do like
Speaker 2: a thought experiment. Not a thought experiment, but this would
Speaker 2: be a literal thought experiment, you know, like take a
Speaker 2: minute and and you know, just invite something to come
Speaker 2: back and see what happens. Because people, you know, they've.
Speaker 3: I went to Fort Walton down there were Egglands located
Speaker 3: a few weeks ago. I went down there for waiting,
Speaker 3: and uh, it's grown a lot since two thousand and nine.
Speaker 3: The place doesn't look the same. I didn't go aboard
Speaker 3: to Eggland, but Fort Wolton itself has grown a lot.
Speaker 3: And now I want to go back to Georgia where
Speaker 3: we had our siding.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like I said, I'd just love to see
Speaker 2: the area that you add that and like you said,
Speaker 2: you know when your mother sees it, you know, in
Speaker 2: that video it kind of shows it as well. It
Speaker 2: has definition, there's some definition to it, and then whatever
Speaker 2: seems to be.
Speaker 4: Going around it, maybe it's propulsion.
Speaker 2: The source of its functionality that kind of engulfs it
Speaker 2: in this flame. And you know, people report seeing orbs,
Speaker 2: and you know, maybe that is what they kind of
Speaker 2: like turn into when they're on the move, and when
Speaker 2: they're stationary they become whatever they become, you know, with
Speaker 2: triangular or shaped. I don't know, but you and your
Speaker 2: mom seem to have seen similar craft at different stages.
Speaker 3: And what I would like to do is take someone
Speaker 3: down there that studies UFOs, like somebody from Move on
Speaker 3: or something like that with me down there.
Speaker 2: Well, don't don't go to move on. I'm the chief
Speaker 2: marketing officer of a of a new organization, the International
Speaker 2: uf UFO Bureau, and it's based out of Oklahoma, Oklahoma,
Speaker 2: and I think we would definitely love to do that
Speaker 2: with you.
Speaker 3: I would I would love for somebody to go down
Speaker 3: there with me if I get permission to go to
Speaker 3: the field and let them take soul samples or whatever
Speaker 3: they think they could do. You know, seeah left.
Speaker 2: Let me put you in touch with with with a
Speaker 2: few people. I think we could definitely help you out though.
Speaker 3: That'd be great.
Speaker 2: I'm the chief I'm the chief marketing officer of it,
Speaker 2: of the International UFO Bureau as i'm right now, I'm
Speaker 2: also handling government relations as well, so uh, I think
Speaker 2: we'd be very interested to to to work with.
Speaker 4: You on that.
Speaker 2: And and you know your story, it's it's if there's
Speaker 2: one thing that you desperately wanted to tell people, and
Speaker 2: you what you want them to get from what you're saying?
Speaker 2: What is it?
Speaker 3: I just wanted to know. I just want people to
Speaker 3: know that our government has the capabilities to monitor these things.
Speaker 3: There's no secret to what they can do, what they
Speaker 3: can monitor. They know exactly where these things come from,
Speaker 3: they know where they go once they get here, and
Speaker 3: they we should quit plain dumb about you know, what
Speaker 3: they know about where these things come from. I think
Speaker 3: they have to just level with the American people and
Speaker 3: just you know, tell them their origins. You know they
Speaker 3: come from a matter of space. Did they come from water?
Speaker 3: You know? I think people could handle it.
Speaker 2: I agree, I I really do. And I think that's
Speaker 2: a beautiful place to end it for the day, or
Speaker 2: end it for this this episode. But I really do
Speaker 2: want to say thank you for you know, your testimony,
Speaker 2: for for coming forward.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: People don't realize how much how much there is that
Speaker 2: how much baggage is attached to coming forward, you know,
Speaker 2: for someone like yourself. Obviously you risk a lot a
Speaker 2: lot more than you gain unless you go the you know,
Speaker 2: right a right, right a book kind of Well.
Speaker 3: My family, my family does not like me talking about it.
Speaker 3: And my fiance, she had a siding with her two daughters.
Speaker 3: Why not they were coming back from the mall. Oh really,
Speaker 3: they were down there. It was around the time we
Speaker 3: were having the UFO sightings in the late eighties. Around
Speaker 3: the five UFO sidings, and they saw two craft over
Speaker 3: a field and they pulled over. Now where they were,
Speaker 3: it's in a place called Lebanon, Alabama, which is between
Speaker 3: Collinsville and for Payne, which is just a long stretch
Speaker 3: of just pastures and fields and cattle. And these two
Speaker 3: craft were over a field and they saw these lights,
Speaker 3: you know, shining down on the ground. So they pulled
Speaker 3: over to watch them. And they would shine a light,
Speaker 3: click off, and then move to another spot and do
Speaker 3: the same thing. Well, her two daughters, one of them
Speaker 3: is a nurse now, the other one's a teacher, her
Speaker 3: youngest one that's a teacher now. She got in the
Speaker 3: floorboard and started crying when she saw it because it
Speaker 3: was making no noise. And when it when the first
Speaker 3: one clicked off its light, it took golf just blink
Speaker 3: of an odd did not make any noise at all.
Speaker 3: And the second one stayed behind a little bit longer.
Speaker 3: It finally, you know, cut its lot off and it
Speaker 3: took off no noise whatsoever. They washed it for about twenty.
Speaker 2: Minutes, that is, and they so even.
Speaker 3: With them, they've never talked about.
Speaker 2: It, I would say, even with having seen something themselves.
Speaker 2: They don't.
Speaker 3: They don't.
Speaker 2: It's such a bizarre that's such a bizarre thing to me.
Speaker 2: And like I said, you know, I mean, if you
Speaker 2: think about it, hindsight being twenty twenty, look back at
Speaker 2: your own situation, right. I mean, you guys never talked
Speaker 2: about it.
Speaker 3: Right, But we had some really heavy, heavy sightings here
Speaker 3: and cattle mutilations here.
Speaker 2: That's that's, that's the aspect that really, That's why I
Speaker 2: was literally just texted the person in charge of the
Speaker 2: International UFO Bureau and I said, I think we should
Speaker 2: I think we should help this guy and go back
Speaker 2: and do what he wants move on to do.
Speaker 3: Oh, I would love that. I was working with the
Speaker 3: scientists from UA B David Rays, when I started having
Speaker 3: all these weird things come up in my yard, like
Speaker 3: whatever it was, burn the side of the tree and
Speaker 3: right it. I've got pictures. I could show it to you.
Speaker 2: I would love to see that.
Speaker 3: And I wish you foot across. I measured him and
Speaker 3: somebody said, oh, that's a that's a deer bed, and
Speaker 3: I said, well, a deer can't can't sit on top
Speaker 3: of a fence and bend it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that doesn't that doesn't even that's like trying
Speaker 2: to explain something with swamp gas.
Speaker 4: It's the it's the.
Speaker 2: Most ridiculous scenario. It's like it would be more plausible
Speaker 2: for the mysterious thing where we're saying might have happened
Speaker 2: to be true than what you're saying. And that's what
Speaker 2: always gets me. It's like, oh my god, you guys
Speaker 2: are really reaching on some of this stuff.
Speaker 3: And what's really strange about that all that stuff didn't
Speaker 3: start happening again until I recalled what happened at and
Speaker 3: what happened to me when I was a kid.
Speaker 2: Maybe you were I mean, do you ever think that
Speaker 2: you were meant to see what you saw?
Speaker 3: I hope not, because I wish I just you know,
Speaker 3: and until everybody says something and is convinced. I just
Speaker 3: a lot of times I wish i'd never seen anything.
Speaker 2: And well, you know, like I said, it's not that's
Speaker 2: not even about it. It's like the curiosity becomes weaponized,
Speaker 2: and that's it. That's what really like, that's a fire
Speaker 2: under people, and you know, it seems that fire has
Speaker 2: been lit in this case. So I I, uh, I
Speaker 2: am very intrigued by by by your story, and like
Speaker 2: a that I just want to say thank you for
Speaker 2: your service to the country, and you know, thank.
Speaker 4: You for being brave enough to come forward and talk
Speaker 4: about this.
Speaker 3: I appreciate you having me on and it was wonderful
Speaker 3: talking to you. If you have any questions in the future,
Speaker 3: just shoot me a text or something.
Speaker 2: Like I said, I think, uh, stick around after the
Speaker 2: credits roll and and uh we'll chat for a minute.
Speaker 2: I think I think there's definitely some some future endeavors
Speaker 2: I would like to be part of. So for everyone
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