UFOs Shut Down U.S Nuclear Missiles— Full Story from Robert Salas & Dave Schindele!

0:00 Speaker 1: H m hm.

0:41 Speaker 2: So we are going to start Welcome to Total Disclosure,

0:49 Speaker 2: where we go beyond the veil of secrecy and into

0:52 Speaker 2: the heart of the unexplained. Today we're honored to speak

0:55 Speaker 2: with two retired Air Force officers whose experiences have become

1:00 Speaker 2: central to the UFO and the UAP discussion. Captain Robert Salas,

1:05 Speaker 2: stationed at Malmstrom Air Force Base in Montana, Captain Dave

1:09 Speaker 2: Chandell Shindley.

1:14 Speaker 3: Station at Forget, the first E. Shin Now.

1:22 Speaker 2: Station Air Force Base in North Dakota, where both were

1:27 Speaker 2: entrusted with the control of nuclear missiles during the height

1:31 Speaker 2: of the Cold War in the late nineteen sixties. Each

1:34 Speaker 2: of these men were a part of something extraordinary, something

1:38 Speaker 2: that not only challenged their understanding of reality, but also

1:42 Speaker 2: left a profound mark on our nation's military history. Their

1:47 Speaker 2: stories involved unidentified flying objects, sudden missile shutdowns, and a

1:54 Speaker 2: wall of secretcy that has persisted for over five decades. Today,

2:00 Speaker 2: delve into their experiences, the implication for national security, and

2:04 Speaker 2: what these events could mean for humanity's future. This is

2:08 Speaker 2: not science fiction. This is total disclosure. So I just

2:13 Speaker 2: want each of you to briefly introduce your role and

2:17 Speaker 2: responsibilities during your time in the Air Force, so we

2:20 Speaker 2: could start with Captain Salas.

2:23 Speaker 4: Thank you, Tyler. I was stationed at mels From Air

2:26 Speaker 4: Force Base starting in the summer of nineteen sixty six,

2:31 Speaker 4: and after getting qualified as a two man crew, Colonel

2:37 Speaker 4: Fred Mywold and I were crued up and assigned to

2:41 Speaker 4: the four Missile squad four Nities Missial SQUADN and our

2:50 Speaker 4: normal station was OSCAR Flight, which is the location of

2:56 Speaker 4: what we called a launch control center or launch control facility,

3:01 Speaker 4: and that facility was an underground capsule sixty feet underground

3:08 Speaker 4: where we would spend a twenty four hour period on

3:12 Speaker 4: alert status, meaning ready to launch missiles if given the

3:20 Speaker 4: proper command.

3:21 Speaker 5: So if the President called in order to strike, you

3:25 Speaker 5: were one of the men who.

3:26 Speaker 6: Would actually launch the missiles. Wow, that's correct.

3:31 Speaker 4: So on this one evening, March twenty fourth, nineteen sixty seven,

3:39 Speaker 4: my commander was taking a rest break. We had a

3:41 Speaker 4: little cat down there, and since one of us had

3:44 Speaker 4: to be on alert at all times, he was taking

3:47 Speaker 4: a rest break. I was in charge of the facility

3:51 Speaker 4: and I remember getting a phone call from the upstairs

3:57 Speaker 4: what we called a flight security controller who controlled the

4:01 Speaker 4: security teams, security alert teams or SAT teams we call them,

4:08 Speaker 4: that would respond to any security concerns. Right at any rate,

4:14 Speaker 4: I get this call and he gives me this strange

4:18 Speaker 4: commentary of he and the other guards looking at the

4:23 Speaker 4: night sky was evening and seeing lights flying flying above us,

4:33 Speaker 4: above our facility in a strange manner. They would be

4:39 Speaker 4: going very fast, They heard no engine noise, They were

4:44 Speaker 4: able to stop in mid air and reverse course. They

4:49 Speaker 4: were able to make ninety degree turns. May sound familiar

4:54 Speaker 4: from other reports. At any rate, he said, sir, these

4:59 Speaker 4: are not aircraft. They're not aircraft. They don't behave like aircraft.

5:05 Speaker 4: And he kept repeating that, and finally I said, you

5:08 Speaker 4: mean like UFOs, because we had indeed seeing reports in

5:14 Speaker 4: the local newspaper of people reporting UFO sightings in Great Falls, Montana,

5:23 Speaker 4: where we lived. I was just joking, but he wasn't.

5:28 Speaker 4: He was very serious about this report. He was a

5:32 Speaker 4: bit concerned because of these lines didn't seem to go away,

5:36 Speaker 4: they were just flying above them. And I said, okay,

5:42 Speaker 4: let me know if something more interesting happens. Basically hung up,

5:47 Speaker 4: but I took it as a serious call. It was

5:50 Speaker 4: not a joke. So five minutes later he calls back,

5:56 Speaker 4: and this time I can tell by his voice that

5:58 Speaker 4: he's extremely frightened. He's shouting into the phone, he's babbling,

6:06 Speaker 4: making no sense. I had to calm him down, and

6:09 Speaker 4: when I was able to do that, he told me

6:12 Speaker 4: that he had all the guards with their weapons drawn,

6:17 Speaker 4: looking at this red orange light, a very bright light,

6:23 Speaker 4: a large light, and at times it was pulsate. But

6:33 Speaker 4: he said it's hovering above the front gate, and he

6:38 Speaker 4: wanted me to tell him what to do. Of course,

6:43 Speaker 4: I was no protocol. I was as shocked as he was.

6:46 Speaker 4: But when he said that, I had no idea what

6:50 Speaker 4: to tell him. But I did say, you know, ensure

6:55 Speaker 4: the security of the facility. Really, that's what means. Any

7:00 Speaker 4: means that's their duty, that's their job, not to allow,

7:04 Speaker 4: not to allow anyone in that fenced area. I knew,

7:10 Speaker 4: whatever you have to do, that's what I told him.

7:14 Speaker 4: Then he said one of the guards got injured, and

7:18 Speaker 4: he hung up the phone. I went over to talk

7:22 Speaker 4: to my commander then, who was just getting up from

7:25 Speaker 4: his rest break, just about to tell him about the

7:28 Speaker 4: phone calls. When we get a large sounding clackes and

7:34 Speaker 4: noise in the capsule, and that we know what that meant.

7:38 Speaker 4: It meant that there was a problem with one of

7:41 Speaker 4: the missiles. So we look over at our panel that

7:43 Speaker 4: has the status of the missiles green for ready, ready

7:49 Speaker 4: to launch and red.

7:51 Speaker 6: For can't launch, no GOAT. So one of them had turned.

7:58 Speaker 4: Red, and very quickly after that, all the rest of

8:03 Speaker 4: them went down.

8:05 Speaker 5: I want to make a point here because most people

8:09 Speaker 5: watching they don't understand this aspect of it.

8:13 Speaker 7: Now, each of these missiles.

8:15 Speaker 5: They are analog, not analog, but they aren't tied to

8:20 Speaker 5: each other.

8:21 Speaker 7: Therefore, if one goes down, they're not all going to do.

8:23 Speaker 6: That's correct.

8:24 Speaker 8: It is simultaneously shut down up to twelve missiles, ten missiles.

8:32 Speaker 8: You're shutting down one by one, you're not shutting one.

8:36 Speaker 7: That's correct, and it all goes down.

8:38 Speaker 6: That's correct.

8:39 Speaker 8: So how calm had this ever happened before?

8:42 Speaker 6: No?

8:43 Speaker 4: I was stationed there for three years as a missile

8:46 Speaker 4: launch officer, and before that happened, I think I had

8:51 Speaker 4: once seen a missile go read no go, but it

8:58 Speaker 4: was due to another issue, but never multiple.

9:02 Speaker 7: Okay, So what become what?

9:06 Speaker 9: What becomes the protocol at that point because you're there's

9:09 Speaker 9: no textbook anymore, the textbook you had learned for protocols

9:15 Speaker 9: and how to handle these kind of things.

9:17 Speaker 7: I mean, we're past that now, this is uncharted territory.

9:21 Speaker 7: So what was your next one?

9:22 Speaker 4: Well, our next move was to querate the system. We

9:26 Speaker 4: had something called vers I don't want not sure what

9:30 Speaker 4: that means, but we were able to push a button

9:34 Speaker 4: and it would give us an audio report on possible

9:41 Speaker 4: failure mode. Okay, And in this case, and in each

9:46 Speaker 4: of those ten missiles, we got the same report and

9:50 Speaker 4: it was channels nine and twelve guidance and control system failure.

9:58 Speaker 4: So that meant the guidance system was inoperative or not

10:02 Speaker 4: working properly. Therefore, we couldn't proper We couldn't properly launch

10:11 Speaker 4: missiles because they would have no valid information on the

10:17 Speaker 4: targeting or how to guide themselves towards the target. Right,

10:24 Speaker 4: we had an inertial guidance system. In other words, there

10:26 Speaker 4: was no connection with some satellite that would help navigate

10:32 Speaker 4: after launch. It had to do the calculation in flight

10:38 Speaker 4: flight to make sure it was on target.

10:42 Speaker 7: So essentially, if anything happens, it's able to of course.

10:47 Speaker 6: Correct to some extent, and those are.

10:51 Speaker 7: The aspects that are being tampered with specifically.

10:55 Speaker 6: Yes, guidance in control.

10:59 Speaker 3: That's really specific, well.

11:03 Speaker 4: Not specific, but at least the general idea was the

11:08 Speaker 4: guidance system was not operating properly, and that's why it

11:11 Speaker 4: shut down.

11:12 Speaker 8: So if the president had called that your facility and

11:16 Speaker 8: said we need to launch right now, right now.

11:20 Speaker 7: Could you have done it?

11:21 Speaker 6: No? No?

11:22 Speaker 8: Now do you would you consider that a threat to

11:25 Speaker 8: national security?

11:27 Speaker 6: Well, it's certainly.

11:31 Speaker 4: We were debilitated or we were unable to perform our

11:35 Speaker 4: function if you want to consider that a threat. But technically, yes, right,

11:44 Speaker 4: we lost that capability. So but that's not the conclusion

11:50 Speaker 4: I finally came to, and we can go into that later.

11:54 Speaker 6: But so the.

11:57 Speaker 4: Next thing we did, because we had two of the

12:01 Speaker 4: launch facilities or the missiles had incursion lights. We had

12:09 Speaker 4: lights that would are indicative of possibility that someone or

12:16 Speaker 4: something or some thing was entering the launch facility where

12:23 Speaker 4: the missiles were actually located. They were about a mile

12:25 Speaker 4: or two or three away from where we were located.

12:31 Speaker 4: The missiles were not right next to us another right,

12:35 Speaker 4: they're dispersed.

12:37 Speaker 6: All over it an odd ring around us.

12:40 Speaker 4: Right, So I had to call upstairs and ask the

12:47 Speaker 4: flatsherity to send teams out to those sites and check

12:54 Speaker 4: on whether or not someone had entered that area. And

13:00 Speaker 4: when they got out there, they saw these UFOs or

13:03 Speaker 4: objects or bright lights hovering just above those facilities.

13:09 Speaker 9: Wow.

13:10 Speaker 4: And they were so frightened from the experience of the

13:14 Speaker 4: first one that they saw that they didn't want to.

13:17 Speaker 3: Go any further.

13:18 Speaker 4: I wouldn't either, and so that we were. They were

13:21 Speaker 4: brought back, and in that process they lost radio contact

13:26 Speaker 4: with us UH for some reason.

13:31 Speaker 6: At any rate, and.

13:32 Speaker 5: At any rate, I want to ask you this, You

13:37 Speaker 5: did not know at the time when your event happens

13:41 Speaker 5: that this is This may seem strange and it may

13:46 Speaker 5: seem odd, but it's not.

13:49 Speaker 7: You're not the only nuclear facility that has this happened

13:53 Speaker 7: that in that that form. There's other people that are

13:57 Speaker 7: having similar experiences. But you guys are talking about it.

14:02 Speaker 4: Okay, So let me just continue with what happened next.

14:07 Speaker 4: My commander called the wing command post at Maelstrom, which

14:13 Speaker 4: monitored activities throughout the field of missiles, and reported our incident,

14:22 Speaker 4: and they told him the same thing happened another launch

14:28 Speaker 4: control center. And that's what he told me. When he

14:32 Speaker 4: was finished with his phone call, he turned to me

14:34 Speaker 4: and said the same thing happened at another site, and

14:38 Speaker 4: I thought, you know, we're having this problem all over

14:43 Speaker 4: the place and that evening. But I was labor later

14:49 Speaker 4: able to realize that it happened. What he was referring

14:53 Speaker 4: to was the Echo flight incident, which happened eight days

14:59 Speaker 4: before our We had never been briefed on, by the way,

15:04 Speaker 4: to answer your question, we were never told that there

15:07 Speaker 4: had been previous incidents like ours with an object shutting

15:13 Speaker 4: down missiles. That was, we were never briefed on something

15:18 Speaker 4: like that. Absolutely, we should have.

15:21 Speaker 7: The lookout for these orange lights that can shut down

15:23 Speaker 7: our new weapons.

15:24 Speaker 3: Of course, perhaps, yeah, so.

15:27 Speaker 7: I didn't know that. I did not know that that night.

15:30 Speaker 7: Maybe I just glazed over that detail. I didn't know

15:33 Speaker 7: that that night they had said this has happened before.

15:38 Speaker 6: That's what they told my commander.

15:40 Speaker 7: Okay, so when do you find out about Dave.

15:46 Speaker 4: Dave came forward all let hit him explain when he

15:51 Speaker 4: did that, and then we made contact and talked and

15:57 Speaker 4: he's he's come and tested fought with us at the

16:03 Speaker 4: Press Club National Press Club in Washington. D c and

16:07 Speaker 4: at other times. In twenty thirteen, I think he was

16:11 Speaker 4: also there at the mock hearing that we had to

16:17 Speaker 4: Steve Bassett set up.

16:19 Speaker 10: Yeah, really so, Dave, can you can you tell me

16:25 Speaker 10: what happened with you and how did you fit into

16:28 Speaker 10: the the overall narrative.

16:31 Speaker 3: What I can tell you is that I was involved

16:33 Speaker 3: with an incident, and I'll get into that a little

16:36 Speaker 3: bit later, but first I wanted to describe a little

16:38 Speaker 3: bit like sallasted regarding the layout of the facilities at

16:47 Speaker 3: Minor Air Force Base. We had fifteen launch control centers

16:52 Speaker 3: and one hundred and fifty nuclear tip missiles all together ICBMs,

16:58 Speaker 3: and they were spread, uh probably fifty to seventy five

17:03 Speaker 3: miles around the town of Minor at North Dakota. And

17:08 Speaker 3: they still exist and they're still being manned today. Those

17:11 Speaker 3: launch control centers launch control facilities, we call them facilities

17:17 Speaker 3: for that the building's top side and LCCs our launch

17:23 Speaker 3: control centers down below sixty feet below those buildings, and

17:29 Speaker 3: each one of those launch control facilities, our launch control

17:33 Speaker 3: centers were named with alphabet identifications from Alpha flight to

17:44 Speaker 3: Oscar flight. And I was mostly involved with Kiyo Lima

17:50 Speaker 3: MIC and November flights, and my normal normal duty station

17:55 Speaker 3: was MIC flight. Well I listed I told you about

18:00 Speaker 3: five flights that the seven forty second squadron maintained. There

18:05 Speaker 3: were there also another two squadrons in what we call

18:10 Speaker 3: the wing, which composed the alphabet blow Lima flight. So

18:20 Speaker 3: there gives you a picture. And my instant that I

18:25 Speaker 3: was involved with happened at November flight and which is

18:30 Speaker 3: about thirty seven miles from Minor Air Force Base. And

18:37 Speaker 3: so to go into this instant a little bit more,

18:42 Speaker 3: my commander were designated to relieve replace the crew at

18:48 Speaker 3: November flight. And this was on September twenty six, twenty fifth,

18:54 Speaker 3: nineteen sixty six, which was about six months prior to

19:00 Speaker 3: Robert Sallas's incident.

19:04 Speaker 6: WOW. And so.

19:09 Speaker 3: My commander and I Major Gordon toleroand traveled by vehicle

19:14 Speaker 3: because it was the closest flight to the base. We

19:19 Speaker 3: traveled by vehicle to November flight, and we talked a

19:25 Speaker 3: little bit about this because we had a hint that

19:28 Speaker 3: morning that something was going wrong, possibly going wrong in

19:32 Speaker 3: November flight. The reason is is because I heard a

19:35 Speaker 3: TV broadcast in may Not. I lived in may Not,

19:39 Speaker 3: which was thirteen miles from the base. I heard a

19:42 Speaker 3: TV cast that morning that said residence of Mohall, North

19:47 Speaker 3: Dakota saw strange lights overnight west of town. Well, we

19:53 Speaker 3: were going to November flight, like I said, and November

19:57 Speaker 3: flight was three miles west of the town the MOHO.

20:01 Speaker 2: So you both you realize you both hear stories of sightings.

20:08 Speaker 7: Prior to your incidents.

20:11 Speaker 8: You're both hearing it happening in the town right before

20:15 Speaker 8: it happens on the base.

20:17 Speaker 3: Well, I don't think mister Sallas. You can speak for yourself,

20:21 Speaker 3: but I don't think he was aware of any incidents

20:25 Speaker 3: at all around No, right in.

20:28 Speaker 7: Your respected areas, is what I'm saying.

20:31 Speaker 2: You both heard chatter that there were lights in the

20:33 Speaker 2: sky and the towns people are seeing them, and then

20:36 Speaker 2: it's like an omen and then it happens to the base.

20:39 Speaker 7: It's really weird.

20:40 Speaker 3: And you have to understand that my incident was that

20:43 Speaker 3: my Air Force base in North Dakota, and his was

20:45 Speaker 3: that Mells from their fourth base in Montana. So and

20:49 Speaker 3: different time periods, and his was six months after mine.

20:53 Speaker 3: So the m O is just.

20:57 Speaker 8: It seems that they're they're seen in large numbers by

21:01 Speaker 8: townsfolk and then you know, the towns are in reference

21:06 Speaker 8: to these nuclear sites, and then they make their way

21:08 Speaker 8: to the nuclear sites.

21:09 Speaker 3: So well, evidently people in Mohoon or who saw the

21:15 Speaker 3: evidence of these lights west of the town. So my

21:20 Speaker 3: commander and I went through the town of Mohall on

21:23 Speaker 3: the way to November Flight, and I don't recall seeing

21:27 Speaker 3: a resident at all as we zipped through town. And

21:32 Speaker 3: it was a Sunday morning, but it was about ten

21:35 Speaker 3: thirty church time, ten thirty in the morning maybe, so yeah. Anyway,

21:41 Speaker 3: a short time later we arrived at November Flight, got

21:44 Speaker 3: the gate opened and went in and parked. My commander

21:49 Speaker 3: immediately went to the security section of the flight of

21:53 Speaker 3: the launch Patrol facility where the security guards were mostly stationed,

22:00 Speaker 3: especially the FFC, the flight security controller. I went in

22:05 Speaker 3: the back door of the building and was immediately met

22:08 Speaker 3: by the site manager, who was a tech sergeant, and

22:12 Speaker 3: he said, did you hear what happened overnight? And I

22:16 Speaker 3: said no. We did get a briefing at a pre

22:22 Speaker 3: departure crew briefing on base that morning where they said

22:26 Speaker 3: that a few missiles and the November flight went off alert,

22:29 Speaker 3: but they gave no indication of how many or what

22:32 Speaker 3: the problem was or anything. We had no recently the

22:36 Speaker 3: question what was going on? But after that pre departure

22:41 Speaker 3: crew briefing, there are at least three crews that came

22:44 Speaker 3: up to my commander and I and he said, they said,

22:47 Speaker 3: did you hear what was describe on TV this morning?

22:51 Speaker 7: So there was a big buzz at the base.

22:54 Speaker 3: There must have been a buzz as some sort on

22:55 Speaker 3: the base. But like I said, there's fifteen crews there

23:00 Speaker 3: at the pre departure briefing, but three of them came

23:02 Speaker 3: up to my commander and I said, did you hear

23:04 Speaker 3: the TV broadcast this morning?

23:07 Speaker 4: And I'd like to make the point that you were

23:09 Speaker 4: not briefed about UFO settings at the departure over no

23:15 Speaker 4: numbers flight at the pre departure briefing.

23:17 Speaker 3: Right now, we're never brief except that a few missiles

23:20 Speaker 3: that to fight went off where they're still investigating.

23:23 Speaker 4: But they were not brief You know, we saw UFOs

23:27 Speaker 4: before they lost some of their missiles.

23:31 Speaker 7: So you get is it incomfidence or is it.

23:35 Speaker 6: No cover up? It's cover up?

23:38 Speaker 5: And you know with both I know you weren't on

23:43 Speaker 5: I know you didn't see see like have the same experience.

23:47 Speaker 7: But you know, in talking to Bob and you know

23:52 Speaker 7: him and I got to going to Congress.

23:54 Speaker 11: Together, he related it to it was a warning, not

24:01 Speaker 11: a warning, but a message to the human rights.

24:05 Speaker 7: This isn't the way, This isn't how you should be using.

24:10 Speaker 3: This later on, especially in my case, it took a

24:15 Speaker 3: while to come to the collusion. Why did they use

24:20 Speaker 3: u FO or these objects take down the missiles? And

24:24 Speaker 3: the only thing we could come up with is that

24:26 Speaker 3: it was a warning, warning message shows and.

24:31 Speaker 8: What do you what do you what do you what

24:33 Speaker 8: do you guys say to that there is so I mean,

24:39 Speaker 8: why would they if it wasn't to give us a warning, right,

24:44 Speaker 8: if it wasn't to take the matches out of the

24:48 Speaker 8: baby's hands. Do you think that's why they're covering it

24:54 Speaker 8: up or is it more along the lines of the

24:57 Speaker 8: covering up because they don't want to show weakness.

25:00 Speaker 3: The Air Force has always said, like he said, ah,

25:05 Speaker 3: eofos do not exist and they pose no threat to

25:11 Speaker 3: national security.

25:12 Speaker 6: So the.

25:16 Speaker 3: Thing that comes to mind is that these things aren't

25:18 Speaker 3: really prassing our BENTI on destruction, but they're there that

25:24 Speaker 3: maybe to somehow send us a message and if they

25:29 Speaker 3: take all the ten missiles out of the commission at

25:32 Speaker 3: a certain launch facility, that's a big message that.

25:36 Speaker 5: It's saying, at any time, I can get here and

25:40 Speaker 5: I can stop you, right, I can turn the switch

25:44 Speaker 5: off like this.

25:45 Speaker 6: I don't think that's what I can conclude.

25:49 Speaker 7: So that's what i'd like to ask. So, Bob, what

25:52 Speaker 7: as being on the facility?

25:54 Speaker 1: You know?

25:55 Speaker 6: So fun?

25:56 Speaker 7: Because we get two perspectives, right.

25:58 Speaker 4: Well, it's not two perspective I think, David, I agree

26:02 Speaker 4: that these incidents were messages to us regarding our foolish

26:09 Speaker 4: use of the weapons. I'm convinced that's oh well, at

26:16 Speaker 4: least that's the conclusion I've drawn. But the point I

26:19 Speaker 4: did want to make is they weren't trying to tell

26:22 Speaker 4: us that we the visitors, can shut down your missiles

26:28 Speaker 4: anytime we want, although they did demonstrate that, But I

26:33 Speaker 4: don't think that's part of the message because that implies

26:38 Speaker 4: that they would possibly stop a nuclear war if we

26:46 Speaker 4: started down that path. So there's a subtle difference here that. Yeah, However,

26:55 Speaker 4: some of the witnesses that I know that have not

26:57 Speaker 4: come forward yet tell fantastics worries of another of an encounter.

27:03 Speaker 4: I'll give you an example of fellow I call text.

27:06 Speaker 4: It's not his real name.

27:08 Speaker 6: But he was.

27:11 Speaker 4: One of the men brought to one of the Echo

27:15 Speaker 4: Flight missile launch facilities or the missile to bring it

27:19 Speaker 4: back up on alert status. And so he was out

27:25 Speaker 4: there with the security guard doing his job, going through

27:29 Speaker 4: his procedures to bring the missile back up on alert.

27:35 Speaker 4: And he had, of course, he had his manual right,

27:39 Speaker 4: but he was going through his maintenance manuel and at

27:44 Speaker 4: one point he heard the guard upstairs up top side

27:49 Speaker 4: rattal the metal ladder that we had to go down

27:54 Speaker 4: into that area and to get his attention. And the

27:58 Speaker 4: guard point up into the sky and there's an orange

28:03 Speaker 4: ball of light or an orange He described it as

28:08 Speaker 4: a you know, relatively small like a basketball size, but

28:12 Speaker 4: it was definitely there right above them. And so he

28:19 Speaker 4: goes up and says, you know, report this, but I've

28:22 Speaker 4: got to get back to work. I got to bring

28:23 Speaker 4: the missile back up. That's important to do that quickly.

28:28 Speaker 7: So I'm sorry, is he repairing it from it going

28:31 Speaker 7: down in the same fashion as it went down?

28:33 Speaker 4: Yes, yes, this is one of the Echo flight so

28:36 Speaker 4: he's bringing it back exactly from the from the incident

28:41 Speaker 4: that happened the previous evening.

28:43 Speaker 6: Oh my god, So he was there.

28:48 Speaker 4: He sees the object, the guard sees the object, the

28:51 Speaker 4: guard reports it. He goes back down the ladder and

28:57 Speaker 4: goes through his checklist again, his manual, and he's about

29:03 Speaker 4: to bring the you know, started up again at a

29:08 Speaker 4: certain particular point in the manual. This is his description

29:11 Speaker 4: of his activity, all right, And he says, all of

29:16 Speaker 4: a sudden, the missile shuts down for no reason, goes

29:22 Speaker 4: goes down. Okay, So he starts over in his checklist, right,

29:29 Speaker 4: gets to that same point, that same point in his checklist,

29:35 Speaker 4: and the missile goes down again. And he said, during

29:40 Speaker 4: this period he felt like there was a beam of

29:46 Speaker 4: static electricity. He could feel it coming down the tube.

29:51 Speaker 4: You know where he was from.

29:54 Speaker 1: Apparently from this object.

30:08 Speaker 3: Connection a connection attention so weird and emergency has been reported.

30:15 Speaker 4: All walking walks snowwey exit and walked down to your.

30:20 Speaker 7: Side floor or meanwive?

30:22 Speaker 1: Does he go to this point using and I looked.

30:29 Speaker 7: Us he's going to We've been walking to the questions

30:35 Speaker 7: attention glode, attention, attention.

30:39 Speaker 4: An emergency has been reported.

30:41 Speaker 3: I don't as snowway exit.

30:47 Speaker 7: Sorry, we just had a future tiler. We just had

30:49 Speaker 7: that fire.

30:50 Speaker 12: Alarm, So as that part out, obviously we keep that

30:55 Speaker 12: part where I look in because that was kind of funny.

31:00 Speaker 12: All right, So, gentlemen, we just had a we're at

31:02 Speaker 12: contact in the desert.

31:04 Speaker 7: You know, we don't have the shurecoat it.

31:05 Speaker 8: We had a fire alarm, so we did get a

31:08 Speaker 8: little bit interrupted. Took a little pause, but we were

31:12 Speaker 8: talking about this.

31:16 Speaker 7: We're talking about the gentleman that was working in.

31:20 Speaker 8: He was bringing the flight back on and it kept

31:23 Speaker 8: going shutting back down at that exact same spot in

31:26 Speaker 8: the checklist.

31:28 Speaker 7: So what happens.

31:31 Speaker 4: Next, Well, just to continue that story, he told me,

31:39 Speaker 4: and by the way, this is a highly reliable individual.

31:45 Speaker 6: In fact, he was.

31:48 Speaker 4: Had a very high position when I spoke with him

31:52 Speaker 4: in an aerospace firm. He's solid witness. But he cannot

32:00 Speaker 4: come forward just yet. Maybe sometime in the future. But

32:06 Speaker 4: to continue the story, he told me that he kept

32:12 Speaker 4: this up for multiple times, trying to bring that missile

32:17 Speaker 4: back up on alert because that was his assignment and

32:21 Speaker 4: it was critical that he do that.

32:23 Speaker 6: And so he.

32:26 Speaker 4: Kept going back to the checklist and each time he

32:34 Speaker 4: got to the point of this one part of the checklist,

32:39 Speaker 4: the missile would shut down again while the object was

32:42 Speaker 4: still above him, and he had a conclusion. He concluded

32:48 Speaker 4: something about that until the object that was above him

32:57 Speaker 4: left and it was going on and he can no

33:01 Speaker 4: longer feel this beam of static electricity coming down at him,

33:08 Speaker 4: that he was able to bring the missile back up

33:11 Speaker 4: on alert status. What he concluded was whatever intelligence is

33:18 Speaker 4: operating these vehicles, they knew exactly precisely how the missiles

33:27 Speaker 4: systems worked to the you know, detail of of knowing

33:34 Speaker 4: where he was in his checklist and what to do

33:40 Speaker 4: to shut the missile down at that point.

33:42 Speaker 8: So then whoever it is, whoever they are, they have

33:47 Speaker 8: an intricate and complex knowledge of.

33:50 Speaker 4: Our ye and we're talking about a very highly intelligent

33:56 Speaker 4: and witness those technology the.

34:02 Speaker 6: Very well. And uh yes.

34:06 Speaker 8: So in your case was anything can you can you

34:10 Speaker 8: recall anything like this happening as well at at your Air.

34:16 Speaker 7: Force base after the incident.

34:19 Speaker 3: Nothing nobody was talking at all on BAIS about UFOs.

34:24 Speaker 8: So it was a completely different kind of mindset. It

34:29 Speaker 8: was a completely different response at each base.

34:33 Speaker 3: Yes, but let me continue with my story here. I

34:37 Speaker 3: entered the back door of the facility, met the site

34:40 Speaker 3: manager tech sergeant, and he, like I said, he asked

34:45 Speaker 3: me if I heard what happened over that. Well, no,

34:48 Speaker 3: I really didn't, but I told you the story. What

34:51 Speaker 3: what about the TV news news and the and the

34:57 Speaker 3: three crews that came up to me and said did

34:59 Speaker 3: you hear what happened? But regarding the news, this was

35:05 Speaker 3: on the mind of Major Gordon Tolerant and I as

35:09 Speaker 3: we traveled to days and like I said, he entered

35:12 Speaker 3: the security center, I entered the back door and met

35:15 Speaker 3: the tech sergeant and he then took me to the

35:18 Speaker 3: west windows of the day room of the facility and

35:24 Speaker 3: looking out at the security fence, he pointed out there

35:28 Speaker 3: that there was an object covering out there overnight, just

35:34 Speaker 3: beyond the security fence and holding his arms out like that.

35:37 Speaker 6: You know.

35:38 Speaker 3: I estimated maybe the object was eighty to one hundred,

35:40 Speaker 3: but why I don't know, but that's the way it

35:44 Speaker 3: appeared in And so I said, tell me more about

35:51 Speaker 3: the object. Was it a helicopter? And it was something

35:55 Speaker 3: I shouldn't said, because he looked a little irritated. Helicopters

35:59 Speaker 3: don't don't fly to the launch control facilities at night,

36:05 Speaker 3: and if they do fly in, they land on the

36:08 Speaker 3: main road, Infants Road anyway. So what the object looked like, Well,

36:14 Speaker 3: it had bright flashing lights, and that's all he could.

36:18 Speaker 3: He couldn't adequately describe the object. They weren't like beacon

36:24 Speaker 3: lights of airplanes, which usually have red, green, and maybe

36:28 Speaker 3: white light flashing.

36:30 Speaker 7: Light alternating antly.

36:32 Speaker 3: But this was a bright flashing lights across the with

36:38 Speaker 3: the thing. And he had trouble determining a structure behind

36:42 Speaker 3: this nebulous glow or flashing glow or whatever it was.

36:48 Speaker 3: He couldn't really describe it, but he thought he could

36:51 Speaker 3: see He thought he could see a structure or a

36:54 Speaker 3: long structure which looked like maybe the edges of a

36:57 Speaker 3: saucer or something. So, but it was hovering above the ground.

37:04 Speaker 3: It hadn't landed. Then after a few minutes that started

37:08 Speaker 3: hovering and moving to the north of the building, to

37:12 Speaker 3: the north side where the main security fanpas was, and

37:19 Speaker 3: the people from the security center of the facility could

37:22 Speaker 3: see this object where they couldn't see it before. And

37:26 Speaker 3: it hovered there for a long time, and all eight people,

37:33 Speaker 3: the six security guards and the cook and the same

37:36 Speaker 3: manager saw this object covering there next to the main gate,

37:44 Speaker 3: but it was partly blocked from the security center. Only

37:48 Speaker 3: a portion, a small portion of the object could not

37:51 Speaker 3: be seen because it was blocked by the garage Facilita

37:54 Speaker 3: garage that was next to the near the main gate.

37:59 Speaker 3: They looked at this thing and they were really frightened.

38:04 Speaker 3: And and the site manager and the security guards that

38:08 Speaker 3: were centered around me and describing this the since that

38:12 Speaker 3: you could tell by their motion and their voices and

38:16 Speaker 3: in their faces that it was very, very frightening, and

38:23 Speaker 3: they gave me no doubt that they had seen something

38:27 Speaker 3: that was something they had never seen before.

38:32 Speaker 7: So again you can.

38:35 Speaker 2: When Bob discusses the frantic call down to the launch

38:41 Speaker 2: control center from the Launch Control facility officers, that same

38:46 Speaker 2: freight is in.

38:48 Speaker 3: Is displayed by the other security people and the and

38:51 Speaker 3: the and the senior airman.

38:55 Speaker 8: Can I ask you both the questions, is there any

39:00 Speaker 8: possibility that this is our government doing this to us

39:07 Speaker 8: and red teeming us too with some form of next.

39:13 Speaker 3: Level There's no way because the wing on base of

39:19 Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty missiles, they had a quota meet

39:23 Speaker 3: of ninety five up time for the missiles, and they

39:28 Speaker 3: didn't dare take any missiles down on purpose just to

39:34 Speaker 3: because they had to meet this quota every month or

39:38 Speaker 3: I'll say it would get demerits or whatever was that.

39:42 Speaker 8: So so there's a little detail, but it's one that

39:46 Speaker 8: it adds to that luck.

39:47 Speaker 7: So again, are you under this impressions?

39:49 Speaker 6: Okay?

39:50 Speaker 4: So I absolutely agree that if the Air Force had

39:57 Speaker 4: done some sort of exercise, they wouldn't have used operational

40:05 Speaker 4: missiles to do it. These missiles were on alert status.

40:09 Speaker 6: Meaning they were ready to go, and.

40:16 Speaker 3: All the way up the line, didn't you talk to

40:18 Speaker 3: your squad and commanderise?

40:22 Speaker 4: And when I returned to Mels from Air Force Base

40:25 Speaker 4: that morning, we were ordered to go to the squad

40:27 Speaker 4: and commander's office.

40:28 Speaker 6: The first, very first.

40:30 Speaker 4: Thing I asked him was was this some sort of

40:33 Speaker 4: Air Force exercise like a readiness exercise or something like that?

40:41 Speaker 4: And he was white is a sheet, I'm telling you,

40:44 Speaker 4: he was just white is a sheet and said absolutely not.

40:49 Speaker 4: And I said, well, do you know what was going on?

40:53 Speaker 6: What happened?

40:56 Speaker 4: Do you know anything about what happened? And he said no,

40:59 Speaker 4: I know nothing about what happened or why. This is

41:05 Speaker 4: very uncommon, absolutely this never happened about this.

41:11 Speaker 2: All right, right now.

41:13 Speaker 3: Especially with ten missiles going off alert.

41:16 Speaker 4: And plus we have the telegram that I received in

41:20 Speaker 4: the Free Information Act that states specifically the fact, and

41:27 Speaker 4: this was from SAC Headquarters, Strategic are Command headquarters, this

41:31 Speaker 4: telegram to other missile bases and headquarters, and it said

41:38 Speaker 4: in that telegram specifically, in i'll paraphrase, the fact that

41:44 Speaker 4: we have no knowledge of how this could happen or

41:51 Speaker 4: worse to that effect is of grave concern to this command.

41:57 Speaker 4: They use those words grave concern. They wouldn't have used

42:01 Speaker 4: those words if this was some kind of an Air

42:03 Speaker 4: Force exercise. Plus, as Dave said, we would have gotten

42:08 Speaker 4: some sort of feedback on how we perform if it

42:12 Speaker 4: were an exercise. Right, we never got feedback.

42:17 Speaker 7: Okay, now, okay, So a telegram.

42:20 Speaker 4: Does go out after after the echo flight incident to

42:24 Speaker 4: the echo flight.

42:25 Speaker 8: Now there, Now it's getting to the point where maybe

42:28 Speaker 8: it is getting repeated, and you know, someone starting to

42:33 Speaker 8: up like, hey, this.

42:34 Speaker 7: Is a grave So now they start.

42:37 Speaker 2: Well do you know if that goes anywhere?

42:39 Speaker 3: Well, what do you mean that telegram.

42:43 Speaker 7: That you avoid?

42:44 Speaker 8: What was the I mean this is now documented that right,

42:49 Speaker 8: So you would, you would expect this.

42:52 Speaker 7: Is something that eventually is going to be investigated.

42:56 Speaker 13: It just must have known about it, absolutely, And they'll

43:00 Speaker 13: get into that they knew about the incident, that might

43:04 Speaker 13: not and there wasn't just one, but anyway, they knew

43:08 Speaker 13: about that incident of that Dave knew about it, miight not.

43:13 Speaker 4: And why would Sack six months later write a telegram

43:21 Speaker 4: that said, we don't know, we can't explain, or we

43:26 Speaker 4: we need a full investigation of how this could happen.

43:31 Speaker 4: They even listed specific names of Boeing engineers that they

43:38 Speaker 4: wanted as a part of this investigation. They called for

43:44 Speaker 4: a complete and total collection of information and for the

43:49 Speaker 4: Air Force at Melstrom to do a thorough investigation. Does

43:59 Speaker 4: it happen, Absolutely, it happens. I've even got the name

44:03 Speaker 4: of the report that they finally issued. However, it is classified.

44:09 Speaker 4: We tried to get a hold of that report and

44:11 Speaker 4: they would not release it to us, but the US

44:15 Speaker 4: Congress could ask for it and maybe it would be

44:19 Speaker 4: released to them. That report exists, its absolutely, it exists.

44:27 Speaker 4: I've got documentation that shows the title, date whatever of

44:33 Speaker 4: this report on the Echo flight shutdown.

44:37 Speaker 8: So if Congress were to have the right clearances, like

44:41 Speaker 8: you know, Eric Burlison, You know, these people could go

44:45 Speaker 8: after that document as proof that this needs to be

44:51 Speaker 8: because if it happened in the sixties, it's probably still happening.

44:56 Speaker 3: And absolutely something is pushing on.

45:00 Speaker 8: That we can't explain. I want to ask you, guys,

45:04 Speaker 8: after you have your incidents, does the phenomena follow you?

45:09 Speaker 8: It's been reported you don't have to go into details

45:11 Speaker 8: about anything, but is it is it safe?

45:15 Speaker 7: You know, people want to know.

45:19 Speaker 8: Why why you, guys, why you Why were you at

45:24 Speaker 8: You know, a lot a lot of people wonder these

45:26 Speaker 8: things like were you chosen to be a part of

45:28 Speaker 8: this in some grand design? And did the Does the

45:32 Speaker 8: phenomena follow you through the rest of your life?

45:35 Speaker 6: Well?

45:36 Speaker 4: Uh, I know for a fact that it made me

45:43 Speaker 4: committed to get to the truth of what happened in

45:47 Speaker 4: my case, and that's and I couldn't wait to disclose

45:52 Speaker 4: it to the public, the public. I'm absolutely behind revealing

45:58 Speaker 4: everything I know to the public. And that's what I

46:02 Speaker 4: do when I thought I was able to do it

46:05 Speaker 4: and continue to do it even though I am still

46:09 Speaker 4: technically under this NDA. However, are given a complete report

46:17 Speaker 4: to the old Domain Anomaly Resolution Office two and a

46:22 Speaker 4: half hours speaking to them, showing them all the evidence

46:26 Speaker 4: I had documented, and they told me I did a

46:32 Speaker 4: great job not to worry about my NDA, but now

46:37 Speaker 4: my story.

46:40 Speaker 6: Is a historical.

46:45 Speaker 4: Document for their purposes of documenting the phenomenon. They told

46:51 Speaker 4: me that in writing, and so since Congress set up ERROW,

46:57 Speaker 4: they should have access to this documentation. I gave them

47:02 Speaker 4: the whole thing, all the documents. I had my presentation,

47:08 Speaker 4: PowerPoint presentation, the audio tapes I have of the witnesses

47:14 Speaker 4: both at Echo Flight and in my case, I've got

47:20 Speaker 4: audio tapes of what the kind of investigator when he

47:26 Speaker 4: interviewed based UFO officer Colonel Chase where he denied everything.

47:36 Speaker 8: Right, So these there's a paper trail out there is

47:42 Speaker 8: absolutely And we walked into Mason's office and briefed her.

47:46 Speaker 7: Yes, so we know it was the day of the

47:49 Speaker 7: November year. You know it was on their mind and

47:53 Speaker 7: in that.

47:53 Speaker 8: In that meeting, she expressed a desire to do it

47:59 Speaker 8: and t you know we use these.

48:02 Speaker 7: Words here UFOs and Newkes in.

48:07 Speaker 8: A hearing, right, and would you both testify under oath

48:14 Speaker 8: to Congress.

48:15 Speaker 7: About what happened?

48:17 Speaker 3: Yes, I certainly right.

48:21 Speaker 8: And have they Has there any been since, you know,

48:25 Speaker 8: in the last year, with all these missile blows coming forward,

48:28 Speaker 8: with the UFO topics seemingly coming to the mainstream narrative,

48:34 Speaker 8: has Congress showed any recent interest in having you.

48:40 Speaker 7: Justify?

48:41 Speaker 4: I have not been contacted to do so. Uh, even

48:46 Speaker 4: though I've reached out to not only represented Mace again,

48:53 Speaker 4: but other members of this coalition, this U a P

48:58 Speaker 4: congressional coalition. I've reached out to other members. I've sent messages.

49:06 Speaker 4: I have asked mister Bassett to provide them with AFFI

49:11 Speaker 4: davits of some of my supporting witnesses, myself included, and

49:17 Speaker 4: they have that documentation. A lot of the Congress individuals

49:22 Speaker 4: have some of my documentation and certainly.

49:29 Speaker 6: Yeah, So.

49:33 Speaker 4: I don't understand, except I have a theory about why

49:37 Speaker 4: they haven't proceeded yet with extending invitations to people like

49:42 Speaker 4: Dave and myself.

49:44 Speaker 6: Uh.

49:44 Speaker 4: And that is the do O D to our Defense

49:50 Speaker 4: annually provides the public and Congress a statement about the

50:00 Speaker 4: nuclear capability and states categorically that nuclear deterrence is the

50:07 Speaker 4: basis of our national security. They use those words. They

50:12 Speaker 4: do not want, they do not want people like us,

50:17 Speaker 4: I think, making statements that would indicate some unknown objects

50:25 Speaker 4: have the ability to shut down our nuclear capability at will,

50:30 Speaker 4: and they could know nothing about that. They don't they

50:34 Speaker 4: don't have the answers to stop that.

50:38 Speaker 7: So they don't want they don't want even the inkling.

50:41 Speaker 4: Of They don't want to hear the discussion had had

50:45 Speaker 4: in public, no period.

50:46 Speaker 8: They don't want people that's questioning our our ability because

50:51 Speaker 8: you know, if you really think about it, you know, citizens,

50:55 Speaker 8: citizens and government and military. There's this this you know

51:00 Speaker 8: is well handshake. We'll pay our taxes and follow the

51:04 Speaker 8: laws and you protect us.

51:06 Speaker 7: And you know, put the laws in a place. So

51:11 Speaker 7: if you can't protect us from whoever they are.

51:15 Speaker 8: Well why should I pannade taxes? So it's this construct

51:20 Speaker 8: that we make with the government, is we do as

51:24 Speaker 8: a give and take and we are.

51:26 Speaker 7: In charge of the government.

51:28 Speaker 4: Then another thing the public should expect, and that is

51:33 Speaker 4: they should expect visibility of what our government is doing.

51:41 Speaker 4: Absolutely that they are doing and they are informing us

51:45 Speaker 4: of how they're performing as our government. And from what

51:52 Speaker 4: we're hearing now from whistleblowers is that they're actually developed

51:57 Speaker 4: or have developed weapons to shoot down these objects, to

52:03 Speaker 4: destroy them, and basically declaring in secrecy, without public knowledge,

52:11 Speaker 4: that they are an enemy. Yes, that needs to be destroyed.

52:16 Speaker 7: Yes, And there are people there.

52:18 Speaker 4: And they've made this decision without public input, without public disclosure.

52:25 Speaker 7: And we've seen how that happens with things like Vietnam.

52:28 Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly how.

52:29 Speaker 8: That turns out. It's the government isn't going to be

52:34 Speaker 8: on the right side of this, And I don't think

52:36 Speaker 8: that's why.

52:36 Speaker 7: I don't think a disclosure is around any corner the

52:41 Speaker 7: way people want it to be. Where a president comes

52:43 Speaker 7: out and.

52:45 Speaker 8: Are us for one hundred years, eighty years, hundred years,

52:52 Speaker 8: what's what's really going on? There's too many there's too

52:55 Speaker 8: many one ifs, there's too many fingers to point and

52:59 Speaker 8: lies told for.

53:00 Speaker 4: For whether whatever has been done in the past does

53:05 Speaker 4: not give them a license to continue to lie to

53:10 Speaker 4: us about something like this. And the public has a

53:15 Speaker 4: right to demand the truth right of their government. That's

53:19 Speaker 4: the way democracy is supposed to work.

53:23 Speaker 8: Right, So in that in that terms, in those terms,

53:27 Speaker 8: I think the public pressure is mounting. And you know,

53:31 Speaker 8: gods like yourselves who you know, correct me if I'm wrong,

53:36 Speaker 8: But you.

53:37 Speaker 7: Guys have to report if you took Thailand.

53:39 Speaker 8: All right, you're very mentally sound when you're doing your

53:45 Speaker 8: job back in the day.

53:46 Speaker 6: No, that's not correct.

53:48 Speaker 7: So they always say that in these interviews. They say

53:51 Speaker 7: the report if they think.

53:53 Speaker 4: Thil if they saw one of us becoming an alcoholic,

53:57 Speaker 4: for example, and couldn't you know, function without a drink

54:04 Speaker 4: in the capsule, then that's a different story. But you well,

54:11 Speaker 4: we don't know. I don't know how much I was monitored.

54:14 Speaker 4: I think I was. They kept tabs on us in

54:17 Speaker 4: their own way, but they didn't, uh, you know, bring

54:22 Speaker 4: us in for a check up every now and then

54:23 Speaker 4: or anything like that, or or checked our metal. Uh

54:27 Speaker 4: you know, we had mental issues.

54:29 Speaker 7: That actually is a lot scarier.

54:31 Speaker 8: Though I wish I could continue believing they they did

54:35 Speaker 8: do checks every once in a while.

54:38 Speaker 7: But anyway, we'll skip back that far.

54:40 Speaker 4: That's that's frightening, since I just put a point on

54:46 Speaker 4: here that they do have something called a.

54:51 Speaker 6: What was it called uh.

54:54 Speaker 4: A program where they checked uh it was a reliability

54:58 Speaker 4: check on into visuals.

55:02 Speaker 6: The nuclear in the nuclear jobs.

55:07 Speaker 7: That's good.

55:08 Speaker 2: Yeah, So has the phenomenon followed you in your life?

55:13 Speaker 3: No? I never got to finish my story. And that's

55:16 Speaker 3: very important for some things that you need to know,

55:20 Speaker 3: needs to know about, and why not agree with everything

55:25 Speaker 3: Robert Sallis has said, and it's uh, it's stuff that

55:31 Speaker 3: people need to know. But the people I was talking

55:35 Speaker 3: to top side, they are very frightened of what they saw.

55:40 Speaker 3: And the last thing what they saw was this object

55:44 Speaker 3: shooting up off the ground off the the hover maneuver

55:49 Speaker 3: behind the main gate. This thing shot up within the

55:53 Speaker 3: second and disappeared. It was gone. Talk about defining the

55:58 Speaker 3: laws of physics, This thing really did. And that is

56:02 Speaker 3: what gave them the impression that this object was not

56:07 Speaker 3: man made, that it was interplanetary or something. It was

56:13 Speaker 3: an object they had never seen before. They had never

56:16 Speaker 3: seen this thing operate like I did. It was just gone.

56:21 Speaker 3: When my commander and I went down after receiving our

56:25 Speaker 3: thirty eight revolvers which I issued at that time, and

56:30 Speaker 3: we strapped them on and took the elevator down sixty feet,

56:33 Speaker 3: opened two blast doors to get into the capsule, and

56:38 Speaker 3: when we walked into the capsule, we saw the launch

56:41 Speaker 3: control console at the far end of the room had

56:44 Speaker 3: all red lights. All ten missiles were off alert and unlaunchable.

56:51 Speaker 3: We had never seen anything like that before. Sometimes we'd

56:55 Speaker 3: go to a capsule and maybe maybe we'd see one

56:59 Speaker 3: or two missiles off alert, but they were scheduled periodic maintenance.

57:06 Speaker 3: It was normal. That's why they they you couldn't get

57:11 Speaker 3: one hundred percent up time for the missiles, and that's

57:15 Speaker 3: why they also struggled to keep those maintenance periods as

57:21 Speaker 3: short as possible and those missiles operating like they should

57:26 Speaker 3: to get the ninety five percent up time right. We

57:31 Speaker 3: then turned to the crew and went to the crew

57:34 Speaker 3: changeover procedures, which was opening the safe next to launch

57:39 Speaker 3: control console and inventoring the go code and the keys

57:44 Speaker 3: to launch the missiles. When the crew changeover was complete.

57:49 Speaker 3: In that regard, we questioned the crew extensively about what

57:54 Speaker 3: had happened and how all those missiles went off alert.

58:00 Speaker 3: We discussed the E M F pulses and so forth

58:03 Speaker 3: and so on, but we realized that there had to

58:07 Speaker 3: been some sort of signal from that UFO to the

58:13 Speaker 3: to the to each one of the missiles, to the

58:17 Speaker 3: equipment in the launch control center and to those hardened tables.

58:24 Speaker 3: We couldn't come to any decision at all, and how

58:28 Speaker 3: that could have happened. It was beyond the realm of

58:31 Speaker 3: physics that we knew, and it was questionable whether scientists

58:38 Speaker 3: could ever figure this out with the physics that we had.

58:42 Speaker 8: So you guys are actively thinking about how such a

58:46 Speaker 8: thing could actually happen, right, No conceivable you know, adversary

58:52 Speaker 8: that that would be able, that you guys know.

58:54 Speaker 7: Or anyway that you really know how such a thing

58:57 Speaker 7: could occur.

58:59 Speaker 3: Yescuse actually talk.

59:02 Speaker 7: The conclusion was unidentified.

59:07 Speaker 3: Yeah, and to us it was shocking. Uh, we just

59:12 Speaker 3: could not fathom what had happened because we didn't know.

59:17 Speaker 3: We heard about sauces we mentioned before, but not in

59:21 Speaker 3: connection with the Air Force or any of the job

59:25 Speaker 3: that we were doing.

59:26 Speaker 6: And that.

59:29 Speaker 2: Do you think that now the Air Force has been

59:32 Speaker 2: notoriously quiet? So the Navy has talked, you know, the Navy.

59:36 Speaker 7: Release the video.

59:37 Speaker 3: Let me get into that. The crew left and when

59:42 Speaker 3: they arrived on base, they were ordered to sign a

59:48 Speaker 3: non disclosure agreement. Both the commander of that crew, who

59:52 Speaker 3: by the way, is still living, and the deputy the

59:58 Speaker 3: crew commander is still living. I talked to him in

1:00:02 Speaker 3: twenty fourteen, and I recognized him right away. It was

1:00:06 Speaker 3: at an Air Force reunion. It was the second time

1:00:10 Speaker 3: I'd seen him for many, many years, but I recognized

1:00:15 Speaker 3: him because I made it a point too, because he

1:00:19 Speaker 3: was from from the different different squadron. He was from

1:00:22 Speaker 3: the seventh fortieth Squadron I blocked at the seven forty

1:00:25 Speaker 3: second squadron that had the five launch control centers. He

1:00:32 Speaker 3: was never questioned by the Air Force about what happened.

1:00:36 Speaker 3: As soon as he signed his non the scroos agreement,

1:00:39 Speaker 3: excuse him deputy likewise, was not questioned. Were you questioned

1:00:45 Speaker 3: at all by the Air Force?

1:00:47 Speaker 4: Not at all? And the same thing happened to me.

1:00:50 Speaker 4: After I signed my non disclosure agreement, I was excused

1:00:56 Speaker 4: from his office, the scorner commander's office, and left. They

1:01:01 Speaker 4: never asked a question about experience, what happened?

1:01:08 Speaker 6: Did it happen?

1:01:09 Speaker 3: The same thing with the crew that we relieved. They

1:01:13 Speaker 3: were asked any questions at all. They were excused also

1:01:16 Speaker 3: after then disclosure agreement. My commander and I when we

1:01:22 Speaker 3: left the next day went to base. It is like

1:01:25 Speaker 3: nothing ever happened, because my commander received a call overnight

1:01:30 Speaker 3: from the Air Force Office of Specialness Investigations telling us

1:01:34 Speaker 3: to keep our mouths shut. We are told, as far

1:01:37 Speaker 3: as you're concerned, it never happened, and keep your mouth

1:01:41 Speaker 3: shut for as long as you live.

1:01:43 Speaker 4: Okay, let's congesture a little bit here. Why do you

1:01:47 Speaker 4: think Air Force never queried or asked us questions about

1:01:54 Speaker 4: our experience?

1:01:56 Speaker 3: What does that tell you?

1:01:57 Speaker 6: What does that tell you?

1:01:58 Speaker 3: Number one? UFOs definitely exists. Number two and the second

1:02:03 Speaker 3: one was that this happened many times.

1:02:07 Speaker 4: That's exactly what I was getting at. The Air Force

1:02:12 Speaker 4: did not need to ask me what happens because or

1:02:16 Speaker 4: any of us they already knew because this has happened

1:02:20 Speaker 4: many times before.

1:02:23 Speaker 3: For January twenty six, twenty five, nineteen sixty six.

1:02:28 Speaker 2: Yeap, guys, you're blowing my mind.

1:02:30 Speaker 3: But I don't even know.

1:02:32 Speaker 8: What to say to that, because we have the energy

1:02:34 Speaker 8: on waiting outside now.

1:02:35 Speaker 2: And okay, just so again, will.

1:02:40 Speaker 4: You if I.

1:02:43 Speaker 3: Will definitely testify, yes.

1:02:45 Speaker 7: Absolutely what happens, I'll call you.

1:02:50 Speaker 6: Well.

1:02:51 Speaker 4: I will continue to present my evidence in any way

1:02:55 Speaker 4: I can uh, in podcasts and in speeches like this

1:03:00 Speaker 4: at the conventions, and in other ways my writings. I

1:03:06 Speaker 4: will continue to press the government to push agencies like

1:03:11 Speaker 4: the Air Force to come up with the truth and

1:03:16 Speaker 4: with the help of mister Danny Sheehan and others. Yes, uh,

1:03:20 Speaker 4: maybe we can get some action.

1:03:22 Speaker 3: We'll get this done.

1:03:24 Speaker 8: Thank you, gentlemen for joining me at in the desert

1:03:27 Speaker 8: I want to see.

1:03:28 Speaker 7: Thank you. Thanks really great friends, and continue doing what you're.

1:03:32 Speaker 4: Doing to get good all right, thank you.

1:03:39 Speaker 6: Thanks.

1:03:40 Speaker 3: Two men rotated every twenty four hours.

1:03:43 Speaker 6: Keep around the clock bit