UFOs, The Universe, and Joining our Cosmic Family (Ft Marc D'Antonio)

0:00 Speaker 1: We're here at contact, but the guys are twenty twenty

0:03 Speaker 1: five event horizon, where the boundaries between science, speculation, and

0:08 Speaker 1: the unknown continue to blur.

0:11 Speaker 2: I'm joined by one of my favorite people in.

0:14 Speaker 3: The world, Mark D'Antonio, astronomer Astropy Dog Group and the

0:19 Speaker 3: chief photo and video analysts were move On. Mark has

0:23 Speaker 3: spent decades analyzing unexplained phenomena in our skies, bringing a

0:27 Speaker 3: scientific lens to one of the most compelling mysteries of

0:30 Speaker 3: our time. Are we alone in the universe? And more intriguingly,

0:36 Speaker 3: are we even looking in the right dimension if that's

0:41 Speaker 3: the right word. Thank you Mark for taking time out

0:43 Speaker 3: of your busy contact in the desert schedule. So I

0:47 Speaker 3: just again thank you really. Like I said, you are

0:50 Speaker 3: one of my favorite people in this field.

0:52 Speaker 4: Oh I think no.

0:53 Speaker 3: You bring such a lightheartedness to it, and you know,

0:56 Speaker 3: you don't take yourself too seriously, but you take your

0:59 Speaker 3: work serious.

1:00 Speaker 2: Sleep that's true, and that's what I think. There's there's

1:03 Speaker 2: this there's this boundary that we have to have. I mean,

1:08 Speaker 2: you have to have fun.

1:10 Speaker 4: The problem is that I think the science should be

1:13 Speaker 4: scientists should be for everybody. Okay, in trouble is people

1:16 Speaker 4: think about science and they don't want to get too

1:17 Speaker 4: far into it because they think, oh, I'm not going

1:19 Speaker 4: to understand, so they shy away. I guess what if

1:23 Speaker 4: you could explain something complex and the way that everybody

1:25 Speaker 4: can get involved changes the whole dynamic. Like last night,

1:30 Speaker 4: I did talk outside of the Skywatcher, for instance that

1:33 Speaker 4: we had and I was talking about fairly complex stuff,

1:37 Speaker 4: but I was able to explain it in a way

1:40 Speaker 4: that everybody could now become involved. They have questions from

1:44 Speaker 4: people that were very, very covid and intelligent because they

1:50 Speaker 4: were able to get involved in the conversation.

1:52 Speaker 5: And whenever you get involved in the conversation, you feel

1:54 Speaker 5: good about yourself because now you feel I understood that

1:58 Speaker 5: there's no reason for science to be on that side

2:02 Speaker 5: where people are left out.

2:04 Speaker 4: You know, no reason for that, right. And so that's

2:06 Speaker 4: if you call it. And again it's sort of weird

2:08 Speaker 4: to say, what kind of like a superpower? If I

2:11 Speaker 4: have a superpower, I would say is being able to

2:13 Speaker 4: take the complex and making it explainable and understandable, suggestible.

2:17 Speaker 2: For you know, your average job just not.

2:21 Speaker 4: Everyone has by your education and sciences, but everyone has

2:25 Speaker 4: a right to be in the discustry.

2:27 Speaker 3: Oh, that's such a good, such a good way to

2:29 Speaker 3: put it, right, that's it really is a good way

2:31 Speaker 3: to put it. And what I've what I really like

2:33 Speaker 3: about what you do is it's tangible. It's the real stuff.

2:38 Speaker 3: If there's going to be discovery, if there's going to

2:41 Speaker 3: be confirmation, it's going to come from you know, looking

2:45 Speaker 3: up and looking out in the right place.

2:48 Speaker 4: A rigorous application of astronomy and other sciences is how

2:51 Speaker 4: we're going to actually find e T right, Okay. And

2:56 Speaker 4: when I got my degree in astronomy, my post degree

2:59 Speaker 4: special became exoplanets. I began looking into exoplanets and I

3:05 Speaker 4: have all the grant of hours on major telescopes to

3:11 Speaker 4: actually look at extra plants from other stars. Okay. And

3:15 Speaker 4: this is something that's really near and dear because we

3:18 Speaker 4: want to find the potential for life elsewhere. Earlier before

3:22 Speaker 4: we started, and I know that nobody knows, but now

3:25 Speaker 4: they will. There was a planet that was discovered that

3:28 Speaker 4: looks like it might be large enough to hold life,

3:31 Speaker 4: y okay, and capable enough. Now it's called the high

3:35 Speaker 4: sing world. That's hy Cea enemies. It's mostly higher genomosphere.

3:39 Speaker 4: Well that doesn't for life like us don't. However, this

3:44 Speaker 4: world seems to be a warm and water worlds tend

3:48 Speaker 4: to have. If there's life, you're going to get a

3:51 Speaker 4: certain compound that's generated by life and only life. Okay,

3:56 Speaker 4: here on Earth we have it too, and that's called

4:00 Speaker 4: bimethyl sulfide. Now you might say, what is that, Well,

4:04 Speaker 4: it smells like kind of like rotten eggs a little bit.

4:07 Speaker 4: Whenever the tides out you go down to the beach.

4:09 Speaker 4: That stink is di methyl sulifide. The smell of the sea.

4:14 Speaker 4: The s is a spectrum of this planet's atmosphere. Seems

4:19 Speaker 4: to indicate a large abundance of dimethods.

4:22 Speaker 3: Now how because me, I'm kind of one of those

4:25 Speaker 3: people who, you know, how do we measure something like that?

4:30 Speaker 2: By viewing?

4:31 Speaker 4: There you go. So there's the secret, and we just

4:34 Speaker 4: got to grant for our remote observatories to actually get

4:37 Speaker 4: an insument that does that. And here's how it works.

4:41 Speaker 4: Whenever you have light, like a light in the room

4:44 Speaker 4: or the light of the light bulb or whatever, if

4:46 Speaker 4: you take a prism and you put it just the

4:48 Speaker 4: right angle, you can see a rainbow projected on the wall,

4:51 Speaker 4: on your shirt, on the ground table. That rainbow is

4:56 Speaker 4: what that white light coming to you really is. It's

5:00 Speaker 4: a bunch of different frequencies from red to corns, to yellow,

5:04 Speaker 4: to green to blue, the indigo to violet, and those

5:07 Speaker 4: frequencies are all very well placed there. They're very well defined.

5:13 Speaker 4: We know where they are. Red is always longer wavelengths, okay.

5:18 Speaker 4: Lower frequency blue is always shorter wavelengs. And higher frequency

5:24 Speaker 4: the more energy, so high energy blue, low energy red. Okay.

5:28 Speaker 4: So infrared is out it's the visible part we can

5:31 Speaker 4: see with our eyes, right, Okay, The visible park is

5:34 Speaker 4: this big, and the infrared is way out there, literally

5:38 Speaker 4: miles from rock sitting. Wow, the same way into the

5:42 Speaker 4: blue okay. And so our eyes is only about to

5:45 Speaker 4: see a certain amount of light. Okay. So if we

5:50 Speaker 4: look at that amount of light, we'll notice that we'll

5:54 Speaker 4: see there's something. There's lines sticking down perfectly, these dark

5:57 Speaker 4: lines with these dark bands. The dark bands are signatures

6:01 Speaker 4: of certain elements or molecules in that spectrum.

6:06 Speaker 2: Wow.

6:07 Speaker 4: So when I take pictures of the night sky and

6:09 Speaker 4: I use one of these filters to allow me to

6:12 Speaker 4: see these dark bands, we see some thick ones down

6:15 Speaker 4: in the red. Those are the lines created by the atmosphere.

6:19 Speaker 4: They're called telluric lines. Big word, who cares? But the

6:23 Speaker 4: bottom line is we can see what elements and combos

6:27 Speaker 4: are in our atmosphere based on just breaking the light

6:30 Speaker 4: part and looking at these dark bands in the atmosphere.

6:33 Speaker 2: Wow.

6:33 Speaker 4: So when the James Wet or other telescopes looks into

6:36 Speaker 4: space at a distant planet, the way they see it

6:39 Speaker 4: is the planet passes in front of its star and

6:42 Speaker 4: it ducks the edge of its atmosphere if it has one,

6:45 Speaker 4: will cross into the star first. And now the star

6:48 Speaker 4: spectrum it's broken up light that I just talked about,

6:51 Speaker 4: suddenly has some new things in it because the spectrum

6:54 Speaker 4: of the sphere of this planet is not passing in

6:58 Speaker 4: kernel the star and makes a dark lines. They're called

7:02 Speaker 4: absorption lines. And now we can identify to the planet's atmosphere.

7:07 Speaker 2: And that's how we're coming to that right.

7:10 Speaker 4: And by looking at them, if we look at it

7:12 Speaker 4: even more with higher resolution and better capabilities, we now

7:16 Speaker 4: see not just a few lines, we see many different

7:19 Speaker 4: spectral lines in these planetary atmospheres, including comounts like dithyl sulfi,

7:27 Speaker 4: the smell of the sea, and againfi comes from all

7:31 Speaker 4: we made our life.

7:33 Speaker 3: And this could be you know, I don't want to

7:36 Speaker 3: get into like super speculation here, but this could connect really,

7:41 Speaker 3: you know with the uso idea.

7:44 Speaker 2: Right, why do they because I wanted to ask you

7:47 Speaker 2: so a theory of hot at.

7:48 Speaker 3: Least these these beings or many of them, where would

7:53 Speaker 3: the best place to hide be?

7:55 Speaker 2: Well, the ocean, right? And with this.

7:58 Speaker 3: Water world that we see now, that water that is

8:03 Speaker 3: on that planet, is it safe to say that if

8:05 Speaker 3: you were to be inside of that water then it

8:08 Speaker 3: would be similar to the water here.

8:12 Speaker 2: And it's does it?

8:13 Speaker 4: Does?

8:13 Speaker 2: It? Does? Does water change?

8:15 Speaker 4: There?

8:15 Speaker 3: Is it just water?

8:17 Speaker 2: In each world?

8:17 Speaker 4: You know water? You may want to save water as water,

8:20 Speaker 4: that's not okay. First of all, the water here is salty, okay. Now,

8:26 Speaker 4: the reason for that is because we had landforms before

8:28 Speaker 4: we had oceans, and when rain water striking the ocean

8:33 Speaker 4: or the land forms, the element so hium in the

8:36 Speaker 4: element chlorine were easily dislodged from the soils and went

8:39 Speaker 4: down into the ocean. And sodium and chlorine have a

8:43 Speaker 4: unique affinity for each other because one needs an electron

8:47 Speaker 4: and one has an actual electron, so they're buying together

8:50 Speaker 4: making sodium chloride. So okay, exactly. And so our oceans

8:55 Speaker 4: are salty because those easily washed down elements binding in

8:59 Speaker 4: a row millions and millions of years and made this

9:02 Speaker 4: salty soup. Right. And of course we're salty too, right,

9:06 Speaker 4: because we came from the ocean. Right.

9:08 Speaker 2: So skin is a.

9:10 Speaker 4: Vestigial shell that holds in the remains of our heritage

9:15 Speaker 4: of having been in the water. Wow, that's what our

9:18 Speaker 4: skin is. It holds in the salt.

9:20 Speaker 3: And so I guess what I mean to say is

9:23 Speaker 3: there could be very like when you're if I was

9:25 Speaker 3: a species and I was traveling through dimensional dimensions.

9:28 Speaker 2: Or traveling through long distances.

9:31 Speaker 3: Atmospheres can vary, right, Conditions on planets can.

9:35 Speaker 2: Vary, but water would be a constant. Maybe not.

9:38 Speaker 4: The buoyancy could always be h two right, okay, two

9:43 Speaker 4: hydrogens one. It will always be that. However, you can

9:48 Speaker 4: also dissolve in water other things. And if a planet

9:52 Speaker 4: has a different composition in its crust, you might get

9:56 Speaker 4: water that's more brainy or salty. You might get water

10:00 Speaker 4: it's very acidic. You might get water that's actually more

10:04 Speaker 4: of a base, which is more rare. It'd be more

10:06 Speaker 4: like the cidic. Okay, so you get water at different times.

10:10 Speaker 4: But water is water, okay. And by the way, we

10:14 Speaker 4: see a lot of tools that is almost everywhere everything right, okay, Mars,

10:19 Speaker 4: it's a lot of water, h too oh on a

10:22 Speaker 4: surface and you say, well, wait, where is it. I

10:24 Speaker 4: don't see ponds, I don't see oceans. No, you don't.

10:28 Speaker 4: That's because marketing and gravity cannot hold in the water anymore,

10:34 Speaker 4: and its atmosphere is no longer thick enough to contain

10:38 Speaker 4: an unfostered clouds to the low rain, and it's the

10:41 Speaker 4: pressure from that atmosphere that allows water to be a

10:46 Speaker 4: liquid form. Right. Well, the pressure is way through lower now,

10:51 Speaker 4: way too low. So that's if you pour water on

10:54 Speaker 4: the water on the Mars, it would just go and

10:58 Speaker 4: in a short time, Yeah, would look like it's boiling

11:01 Speaker 4: on the.

11:01 Speaker 2: Surface, really right, but it would be it would.

11:03 Speaker 4: Just boil away because the pressure is too low.

11:08 Speaker 2: Okay.

11:09 Speaker 4: Right. If you if you could go to a very

11:13 Speaker 4: deep valley in Marks and you could artificially increase the

11:17 Speaker 4: thickness of the atmosphere and you pour the water out,

11:20 Speaker 4: you went to see a puddle, right, but it has

11:23 Speaker 4: to be high pressure, and right now Mars is very

11:27 Speaker 4: very very far from that. Right. So the truth is Mars,

11:32 Speaker 4: for instance, is read for one important reason. There used

11:36 Speaker 4: to be a lot of H two O in the

11:37 Speaker 4: atmosphere of Mars. There were clouds in Mars. There was

11:40 Speaker 4: a much cigad sphere in the Marx. There were oceans

11:42 Speaker 4: on the Mars. And when the when the magnetic field

11:46 Speaker 4: of Mars began to decline, as it began the cool

11:49 Speaker 4: smaller planet, the core started to cool, the magnetic field

11:54 Speaker 4: the dynamo that creates electricity in the core, which generates

11:57 Speaker 4: magnetic fields that'll start to lean. When that happened ultra

12:02 Speaker 4: by the energy from the Sun, instead of coming in

12:06 Speaker 4: and being stopped by an atmosphere, it ended up penetrating

12:10 Speaker 4: and going down into the atmosphere deeper, where this energy

12:13 Speaker 4: would strike a water tube and break apart the two

12:16 Speaker 4: hydrogens from the oxygen, the oxygen to go back down

12:20 Speaker 4: the surface and the hydrogen leak out. So over millions

12:24 Speaker 4: and millions and millions of years, the Martian atmosphere thin

12:27 Speaker 4: and the oxygen dove into the crust where bond bind

12:32 Speaker 4: with other oxygens and iron compounds which were very very

12:36 Speaker 4: common in market.

12:37 Speaker 2: So an iron oxide as well is brown.

12:40 Speaker 4: Help people, Mars is red because it rusted.

12:43 Speaker 2: Do you think there's any possibility that or do you

12:48 Speaker 2: think it's more likely. The hypothesis for a long time

12:55 Speaker 2: was the extraterrestrial hypothesis. Are you starting to.

12:59 Speaker 3: To move to the idea that these must be interdimensional

13:04 Speaker 3: travelers over?

13:06 Speaker 4: Well, let's let's talk about that. We look at the

13:09 Speaker 4: universe in our four dimensions X, y, and z moving

13:12 Speaker 4: through time. Okay, Here, I am at one spot at

13:17 Speaker 4: this particular point in time, and there's an X y

13:20 Speaker 4: in a Z coordinate that's associated with this position at

13:23 Speaker 4: this particular time. Now I'm moved here, it's a new X,

13:27 Speaker 4: y and z coordinate, and at a slightly later time

13:31 Speaker 4: it was here, and now it's here. To get here,

13:34 Speaker 4: I had to move through every point in between here

13:37 Speaker 4: and here. So this phone travel through the air to

13:43 Speaker 4: this particular point r hitting every point in between. Yes, Okay,

13:48 Speaker 4: Now what if I said there's a possibility that this

13:51 Speaker 4: phone could actually be sent to a different dimension, something

13:56 Speaker 4: other than our four dimensions of fifth dimension, it would

14:00 Speaker 4: our eyes look like it's just simply advanced in the

14:02 Speaker 4: spot and then and then he pop in over here

14:06 Speaker 4: if we then so chose to pop into this new coordinate.

14:10 Speaker 2: So it's so it's plaudible. Yeah, it's plaudible.

14:14 Speaker 3: We could theoretically, if we had access to this dimension,

14:18 Speaker 3: we could we could clug those coordinates in to pop

14:21 Speaker 3: in and out.

14:22 Speaker 4: That is correct, and and so how could we possibly

14:25 Speaker 4: view that? Well, mathematicians and physicists Clusa and Climb in

14:31 Speaker 4: the early nineteen hundreds thought about this possibility, and they

14:35 Speaker 4: came up with a hypothesis. There's a concept that we

14:38 Speaker 4: have to go into to bring this to a reality,

14:41 Speaker 4: and that is string theory, because it's within string theory

14:45 Speaker 4: where this possibility resultes. And let me explain that we

14:51 Speaker 4: have protons, electronics and blue ones and blue ones and

14:54 Speaker 4: so on, those little particles inside. Let's stick with the

14:58 Speaker 4: protons in solog and let's take with the protons. Okay, okay, protons.

15:03 Speaker 4: Everything's moving, they're all vibrating, they're going back and forth. Okay,

15:07 Speaker 4: now stop it at this end of this travel and

15:09 Speaker 4: stop it at that end of its travel. What's in

15:11 Speaker 4: between the path it took to go from one vibrational

15:16 Speaker 4: position to another. Think of that as the string. So

15:21 Speaker 4: you don't think of proton as a part of what.

15:24 Speaker 4: You think of it as energy string, very very very

15:28 Speaker 4: very tiny energy string. Okay, okay, okay. Think of that

15:32 Speaker 4: now in terms of applying it to the whole universe

15:35 Speaker 4: and how the universe is constructed in all the processes

15:38 Speaker 4: in the universe of the curve. Now, there are constructs

15:43 Speaker 4: that we can talk about, and I know that's about

15:44 Speaker 4: to take in, but there are constructs we can talk about,

15:47 Speaker 4: like by saying ours, y and Z moving through time.

15:52 Speaker 4: In string theory, we're gonna call that home membrane the

15:56 Speaker 4: home home brand, okay, b r any, okay. And so

16:01 Speaker 4: this is new terminology. Okay, stick with it for a moment.

16:05 Speaker 4: And then let's say there's other dimensions. This fifth dimension here,

16:09 Speaker 4: there's actually a name for that, because there's a variation

16:11 Speaker 4: of string theory called Randall's sundrum one artist one where

16:16 Speaker 4: this fifth dimension is called the ball BLK. The properties

16:20 Speaker 4: of the ball curves follows. If you can go from

16:23 Speaker 4: these four dimensions into that fifth start traveling into it,

16:27 Speaker 4: it's exponentially it's it gets exponentially smaller as you go in.

16:32 Speaker 4: The farther you go, the smaller the universe becomes around you.

16:36 Speaker 4: It's a very it's like a shrinking, incredible from the

16:39 Speaker 4: universe type thing. Farther when you go, all the smaller

16:41 Speaker 4: universes to you inside relatively yes, not in reality, not

16:46 Speaker 4: shrinking universe around me. You are going into an area

16:49 Speaker 4: where the universe is now smaller around you, inside this

16:53 Speaker 4: fifth dimension. So now let's say you're in this fourth dimension.

16:57 Speaker 4: I move my phone over here, and now let's say

17:01 Speaker 4: I want to move it twelve inches back the other way. Okay,

17:05 Speaker 4: I just did, and it just moved twelve inches. We

17:07 Speaker 4: can measure it twelve points zero zero inches.

17:10 Speaker 2: Okay.

17:11 Speaker 4: What if I took this phone and through a technique

17:15 Speaker 4: of some of the technology I moved, I put it

17:18 Speaker 4: into the fifth dimension? Okay, and I moved in jest

17:21 Speaker 4: a little bit, and then it did twelve inches distance

17:24 Speaker 4: inside this fifth dimension.

17:26 Speaker 2: But that could be.

17:28 Speaker 4: Thinking through What would that mean if we came back

17:30 Speaker 4: up This is.

17:31 Speaker 3: A test we could I mean, you could be miles

17:35 Speaker 3: ahead of.

17:36 Speaker 4: That's that's exactly right. If you go twelve inches out here,

17:40 Speaker 4: it's twelve inches. But if you go into a dimension

17:43 Speaker 4: where the where the universe is constricted around pressed around you.

17:47 Speaker 4: Farther you go, the same twelve inches can translate to

17:49 Speaker 4: many miles exponentially grabs. So in other words, theoretically, whoa

17:54 Speaker 4: theoretic exactly theory?

17:58 Speaker 3: We need something else in the inner explain that, I mean,

18:02 Speaker 3: it would explain a lot about It would kind of eliminate.

18:05 Speaker 2: One of these issues, right.

18:09 Speaker 4: It would eliminate issues with making any returns in the sky,

18:12 Speaker 4: eliminated issues with being in the deep ocean without being crushed.

18:16 Speaker 4: It eliminates issues about what's observed because every observed UFO

18:22 Speaker 4: has certain characters that it looks like it's shimmering tiang color,

18:25 Speaker 4: sometimes vanishing and reparing somewhere else. Now as bron where

18:29 Speaker 4: I can tell you many different things that could accoumpliment

18:33 Speaker 4: the shimmering and changing color. We call it atmosphere scintillation.

18:37 Speaker 4: When we were out of our skywats for the night,

18:39 Speaker 4: the star vegel was near the prize and it was

18:42 Speaker 4: shimmering and going red and stuff. That's because of the

18:45 Speaker 4: turbulence in the atmosphere. So I could that's true that

18:49 Speaker 4: we can say that's atmosphere scintillation. Okay, and something that

18:53 Speaker 4: looks like it's moving from here to there to there

18:56 Speaker 4: to there. Well, that's something called the autokinetic issue not

19:00 Speaker 4: out of Connecticut response, where our eyes are unable to

19:03 Speaker 4: attract things in the blank sky. They never evolved to

19:06 Speaker 4: do that. They evolved to look in a dark shadow

19:09 Speaker 4: and see if there's a predator. Right, okay, so they

19:12 Speaker 4: did not evolve to look at blank optics in the

19:14 Speaker 4: sky follow quite supply, so in fact, that the thing

19:18 Speaker 4: they could be doing this, it's like you bounced all

19:20 Speaker 4: over the sky might actually just be doing this and

19:24 Speaker 4: moving in a perfectly straight line. But okay, to the

19:27 Speaker 4: human eye and just always dancing around, you can't remember

19:31 Speaker 4: exactly where you were just looking.

19:33 Speaker 2: Right, you think you may observe that.

19:36 Speaker 4: You think they do, yes, and so they don't realize

19:40 Speaker 4: they can't. It's not built in evolutionary tour That makes.

19:45 Speaker 2: So much sense.

19:46 Speaker 4: But there's more.

19:48 Speaker 2: But wait, but wait, there's more.

19:50 Speaker 4: You get a slim So if you're considered consider this,

19:56 Speaker 4: So now, okay, that's one thing like that, right, But

20:00 Speaker 4: now the color change, that's stuff, stuff that just vanishes outright, right,

20:06 Speaker 4: that stuff, maybe that's the limit of your vision. Okay,

20:08 Speaker 4: you can see Venus during the daytime in the sky.

20:11 Speaker 4: If you know what you're looking and see that, you say, hey, look,

20:13 Speaker 4: oh it's gone, and you got to struggle to find

20:16 Speaker 4: it again, right right, because it's right. It's the limited

20:18 Speaker 4: your vision. So it could be that that we see. However,

20:23 Speaker 4: what we cannot deny is the possibility that these very

20:26 Speaker 4: strange particles are in use, if it's a UFO and

20:31 Speaker 4: making it look like it's shimmering, because every one of

20:34 Speaker 4: those observed effects are effects that we would see if

20:39 Speaker 4: this process was in use. A ship disappearing outright, shimmered,

20:43 Speaker 4: changing color, absolutely, zipping around looking like it's traveling in

20:46 Speaker 4: ninety three returns absolutely. Now consider that following considerable Okay,

20:53 Speaker 4: consider this if you are, if you're an alien, and

20:58 Speaker 4: you want to develop a technique for traveling as to

21:00 Speaker 4: the universe, so consider this. So consider this if you were,

21:05 Speaker 4: if you're using these special particles to move from our

21:08 Speaker 4: four dimensions into the fifth dimension, then those special particles

21:12 Speaker 4: which you live there, would if you invelop your ship

21:15 Speaker 4: of them, wouldn't drag you into that fifth dimension. And

21:18 Speaker 4: if you travel in there, that travel is expanded by

21:22 Speaker 4: However much have gone in and however small the universe

21:24 Speaker 4: comes around here. If you travel, like I said, a

21:27 Speaker 4: foot in there really farming, that could translate to a

21:31 Speaker 4: huge distance your actions from out. Oh my god. And

21:33 Speaker 4: that could go from say the move in a split

21:36 Speaker 4: second literally right, And theoretically some physicists calculated that we

21:42 Speaker 4: could go from here to Alpha Centauri than hear a star.

21:45 Speaker 4: Not in the ten or twelve thousand years that it

21:47 Speaker 4: would take us with our current capability, but in twenty minutes.

21:52 Speaker 4: Now that's quite keep. Yeah, it's also intellectually why because

21:58 Speaker 4: we can't do this. But the hypothesis, called the clusive

22:02 Speaker 4: clime hypothesis, is something that is not.

22:10 Speaker 3: This episode of Total Disclosure is brought to you by

22:13 Speaker 3: Good Feels cannabis Seltzers, and I'll be honest, this is

22:17 Speaker 3: one of my favorite partners that we've ever had on

22:20 Speaker 3: the show. As I given up alcohol, I'm very open

22:23 Speaker 3: about this on the show, and I think a lot

22:25 Speaker 3: more people choosing that same path.

22:27 Speaker 2: So if you're looking for something that can truly.

22:30 Speaker 3: Replace alcohol in any setting, whether you're unwinding after a

22:34 Speaker 3: long day of research, hosting friends, or just want to

22:37 Speaker 3: stay clear headed and in control, Good Feels delivers a

22:40 Speaker 3: completely different kind of experience. It starts with their twelve

22:45 Speaker 3: out stubby bottles of cannabis infused Seltzers. They're crisp, clean,

22:50 Speaker 3: zero sugar, zero calories, and they're designed to give you

22:53 Speaker 3: a smooth ass adding elevated dealing, without the crash, without

22:58 Speaker 3: the hangover, and without the downside. It's a alcohol and

23:00 Speaker 3: if you're more than an at home mixologist, Good Feels

23:04 Speaker 3: also as fast acting beverage enhancers. You can add them

23:08 Speaker 3: to literally anything, barkling water, mocktails, whatever you like and

23:12 Speaker 3: create your own customized experience. This isn't about checking out.

23:16 Speaker 3: It's about tuning in thing present and upgrading the way

23:19 Speaker 3: that you kick back and relax. And right now, listeners

23:22 Speaker 3: of Total Disclosure get twenty percent off their order. That's

23:26 Speaker 3: get good Feels dot Com for twenty percent off exclusive

23:29 Speaker 3: to this audience. Good Feels Cannabis Seltzer's replace the alcohol,

23:33 Speaker 3: keep the experience, stay in control.

23:36 Speaker 4: Now back to the ship. All together impossible, Not all together,

23:43 Speaker 4: shell or people are thinking about it. People are actually

23:47 Speaker 4: considering it now, and even major astrophysics people are suggesting

23:53 Speaker 4: that maybe this is in play and one thing that's

23:56 Speaker 4: interesting is going from four dimensions to the fifth dimensions.

24:00 Speaker 4: Fifth dimension constitutes interdimensional druck. Yes, because to your eye,

24:06 Speaker 4: like I said, I think that shimmer and just boot

24:09 Speaker 4: it's gone, and we go whoa, whoa, there's nothing here, right,

24:12 Speaker 4: and then just appears there.

24:14 Speaker 2: It's here.

24:15 Speaker 4: I didn't see it move from here to there, but

24:16 Speaker 4: it must have. Right now, it went up to a

24:19 Speaker 4: fifth dimension which is outside of our few just can't

24:22 Speaker 4: pick it up. Okay, are most of our instruments at

24:25 Speaker 4: all can't pick it up? And then it pops into

24:28 Speaker 4: the new four dimensional word of X, y Z slightly time. Right,

24:32 Speaker 4: that's the idea. Here's what you have, a UFO. You

24:37 Speaker 4: generate these particles to close the client particles. Yeah, they're

24:41 Speaker 4: called actually cluse a client records, right okay, And they

24:46 Speaker 4: surround your ship the top, bottom, all around okay. And

24:50 Speaker 4: these particles, because they lived in the fifth dimension partially,

24:54 Speaker 4: you surround them and you're you're gonna be automatically shoveled

24:58 Speaker 4: into this fifth dimension. Okay. That process is long drawn up.

25:02 Speaker 4: Consider that you're going to get there at the fifth dimension.

25:05 Speaker 4: You may be more particles, wrong, ter ship, you can

25:07 Speaker 4: go further into that fifth dimension. So if you've got

25:09 Speaker 4: to go a long distance and then you travel a

25:14 Speaker 4: short distance in there, and when you can all you

25:16 Speaker 4: travel the long distance. So it's like you go here,

25:19 Speaker 4: travel that much and when you came out there, right,

25:21 Speaker 4: you know, right, that process is something that is foreign

25:26 Speaker 4: the most. Right now, however, at certain at the Large

25:30 Speaker 4: Head Rondic Collider in Cities, they have a detective called

25:34 Speaker 4: Atlas at La s yep atlas, and you can look

25:38 Speaker 4: up the white paper. This atlas in part is designed

25:41 Speaker 4: to look for caulus acline particles. Why because they're very interesting? Yes, okay,

25:49 Speaker 4: and leave it at that for now. Meanwhile, go all

25:52 Speaker 4: the way across the state land and across the United

25:54 Speaker 4: States to San Francisco. Okay, at Lawrence Livermore right and

26:00 Speaker 4: Lord's little more. They've achieved fusion, right, and they can

26:04 Speaker 4: fuse sustained right where I was going, they could they

26:06 Speaker 4: could now they have sustained fusion. That's a milestone. No,

26:11 Speaker 4: they're not getting more energy out than they put it,

26:13 Speaker 4: right then that they have to put it way more

26:15 Speaker 4: than they're getting it.

26:17 Speaker 2: It seems like that that got lost in translation.

26:20 Speaker 4: People said, oh no, but sustained fusion is a big, big,

26:24 Speaker 4: big milestone because fusion requires temperatures of millions of degrees celsi. Okay,

26:31 Speaker 4: and none of the many more degrees. Fair So when

26:35 Speaker 4: you look at how much they've achieved. And why am

26:37 Speaker 4: I talking about fusion here, I'll tell you why. Because

26:41 Speaker 4: if you're a spacecraft or a craft that carries alien beings, right,

26:46 Speaker 4: you've got to generate just part of this to do

26:49 Speaker 4: the jungle and then pop out and pop in the process.

26:53 Speaker 4: So how do you generate the particles?

26:56 Speaker 2: How does turn?

26:57 Speaker 4: Do it?

26:58 Speaker 2: Like smash to the other?

27:00 Speaker 3: Yes?

27:02 Speaker 2: That with a riality with particle accelerator.

27:07 Speaker 6: Yeah, the oh my god, it's circle. It's a disc,

27:13 Speaker 6: big ring, it's a big Yeah, it's a big ring.

27:15 Speaker 6: What's shape or classic big discs?

27:19 Speaker 2: Oh?

27:19 Speaker 3: Yeah?

27:22 Speaker 4: And why they're part of accelerators and they have their

27:25 Speaker 4: rings outside and beings in the middle are protected with

27:29 Speaker 4: chielding they don't care about the outside.

27:32 Speaker 3: Is that this could be why when people like when

27:36 Speaker 3: Almas Walton come up to a craft.

27:40 Speaker 2: You get really damaged. That's correct?

27:43 Speaker 4: And why is that?

27:44 Speaker 3: Because you are essentially touching your pretty particle accelerator.

27:48 Speaker 4: Yeah, and and and I'll take a step further, dude,

27:53 Speaker 4: in the large run fly or you've got these giganic

27:56 Speaker 4: rings and you've got these wave guides, and there.

28:00 Speaker 7: Driving protons in a circle. Proton's a lot in a circle,

28:04 Speaker 7: even straight right, you keeps them in a circle. What's

28:09 Speaker 7: the what's the force you're applying to a proton to

28:12 Speaker 7: keep it going? I know it's like school elect uh

28:15 Speaker 7: magnet magnetic.

28:17 Speaker 4: So they have a magnetic conduit that these things are

28:19 Speaker 4: going through. When you take a charged part of which

28:23 Speaker 4: is a proton, and you try to send it through

28:25 Speaker 4: a curved path, you get something happening that comes out

28:30 Speaker 4: radially in all directions. It's called signatron radiation. Okay, not good, No,

28:37 Speaker 4: So sycotron radiation is not good for us. Not being

28:41 Speaker 4: good for us means it hurts and if you touch

28:45 Speaker 4: you up on the outside, you're gonna get burns. It's

28:50 Speaker 4: been happening, It's happening.

28:52 Speaker 2: There's I mean, so many cases are coming.

28:54 Speaker 4: To my mind where sygrotron radiation?

28:57 Speaker 2: Where I mean, do you think that is what is

29:01 Speaker 2: being studied secretly? You know? Or you know because they

29:05 Speaker 2: are looking.

29:06 Speaker 3: You know, John Burrows, for instance, you know, had loss

29:10 Speaker 3: of eye sight and other burns, people have had corneia burns.

29:15 Speaker 2: There's so much that that that's coming to my mind now.

29:19 Speaker 4: And it's because of the nature of how they travel. Now,

29:22 Speaker 4: let's take this and stuff from it.

29:24 Speaker 2: Could that be why they keep their distance in.

29:27 Speaker 4: Part because they know it hurts us for one thing.

29:30 Speaker 2: But I don't think they're that, okay, Okay, I think that.

29:35 Speaker 4: They're just possibly teams of beings that are curious, right,

29:41 Speaker 4: And I'll tell you why curiosity is very important here

29:44 Speaker 4: in a bit. But if you think about it, the

29:47 Speaker 4: beings are in the center of protected area. Okay. Now,

29:51 Speaker 4: they generate clusive particles day. They just spence out of

29:55 Speaker 4: the outer ring okay, and they surrounded Gift pulls them in.

29:59 Speaker 4: They do their hops. Okay. This means it don't need engines.

30:04 Speaker 4: All they have to do is pop up, Pop it right, pop.

30:07 Speaker 4: As long as your reactor works, did, you're gonna get cardinals.

30:11 Speaker 4: You can just keep doing that. And by the way,

30:13 Speaker 4: what is that reactor? Oh, the fusion reactors. All we

30:16 Speaker 4: need to do, right, and lawrencetonre is working on the

30:19 Speaker 4: fusion reactor. R Sir is now studying clusing. Fine partners.

30:25 Speaker 4: Marry those two together. And maybe in fifty years, of

30:27 Speaker 4: eighty years, one hundred years long after us, we'll have

30:31 Speaker 4: a coke bottle size ship that can disappear and reappear

30:36 Speaker 4: at the moment.

30:36 Speaker 6: Back my lord, prop it.

30:38 Speaker 4: Three minute trip, maybe one minute trip. There will be

30:41 Speaker 4: taught in the future, I predicted, and I'm sure that

30:43 Speaker 4: it's true.

30:45 Speaker 2: Hopefully this video will be still around.

30:47 Speaker 4: It will be okay, it'll be studying for long years

30:51 Speaker 4: after this. Okay, h you got that again. So we

30:58 Speaker 4: can imagine going to Pluto.

31:00 Speaker 8: You want to say, a go to Pluto and have

31:02 Speaker 8: one with Frank, be back for dinner, okay, okay, ready

31:07 Speaker 8: to ship for a bite, and are gonna check out

31:09 Speaker 8: fo o' spot the inclination and enjoy the beaut for

31:12 Speaker 8: a little while.

31:13 Speaker 4: Okay. Was that the revolving restaurant?

31:14 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the one, Okay.

31:16 Speaker 4: And then you go to Pluto, have lunch for Frank.

31:20 Speaker 9: Frank, and you're Unfair on the moon and you're watching

31:23 Speaker 9: your Pluto below you and it's t locks it be

31:27 Speaker 9: the same beautiful time, right, get the stars shifts your spin.

31:31 Speaker 4: Okay, So that's kind of cool, and we'll have that.

31:35 Speaker 4: You don't have that to do it'll be something we

31:36 Speaker 4: can do, you know. So in other words, if UFOs

31:40 Speaker 4: operate with this technology, which is literally the only way

31:44 Speaker 4: they can do it with reasonable time frames, right right,

31:48 Speaker 4: then if they do that, it means that they use

31:52 Speaker 4: exceedingly large amounts of gravity. Why because when the clues decline,

31:57 Speaker 4: gravit towns are made out of this solid Later they're

32:01 Speaker 4: gonna be ten to the sixteenth times more powerful than

32:04 Speaker 4: the graphtons holding up to these Christy chairs. Okay, okay,

32:08 Speaker 4: And that means they're going to create something else. They're

32:11 Speaker 4: gonna create micro black holes. Yeah, well, you know, not

32:15 Speaker 4: a big yeah, because micro black holes individually only last

32:18 Speaker 4: a few Dana stats all black holes are matter may

32:21 Speaker 4: not maybe do.

32:23 Speaker 2: So is it the larger the black hole, the longer.

32:26 Speaker 4: That's how long will take to it as long as

32:30 Speaker 4: the eating. Yes, so micro black holes fewer than they're gone.

32:36 Speaker 4: But during that time they exist, they might eat a

32:39 Speaker 4: molecule or two. And they're also going to do something else.

32:43 Speaker 4: They're gonna actually eat birth. And so if you have

32:48 Speaker 4: enough of these uh you know, clining raphtons around your ship,

32:53 Speaker 4: they're gonna eat up all the earth graptons trying to

32:55 Speaker 4: hold you down and you'll actually beat the gating rapid really,

32:59 Speaker 4: so it's kind of like anti gravity. The gravity can't

33:02 Speaker 4: reach your ship, right, So that's why another reason, another contation,

33:08 Speaker 4: people see the UFOs that look like they're just like

33:10 Speaker 4: tumbling leaves.

33:11 Speaker 8: In the sky.

33:12 Speaker 4: Okay, well there's no uper down one, there's no need, right,

33:18 Speaker 4: so they simply just ride it out. And for them,

33:22 Speaker 4: if they pop into a location, there's another one and

33:25 Speaker 4: then they disappear from that or the fifth dimension, pop

33:28 Speaker 4: in again, disappear, pop in again, disappear, popping again over

33:31 Speaker 4: here to our instrumentation looks like it took a ninety.

33:36 Speaker 3: Return because it has again it circles back to we

33:39 Speaker 3: didn't evolve to see where not, and we can't see

33:41 Speaker 3: where they're going, where they're going, where they're coming back.

33:44 Speaker 4: And so if you only go a tiny bit into

33:46 Speaker 4: that fifth dimension and come back, then maybe you move

33:50 Speaker 4: like an engineer here, you move foot right, and you

33:53 Speaker 4: do that way up in the sky. It's gonna be

33:57 Speaker 4: like the the economical idle mode right for one of

34:00 Speaker 4: these ships, and so you end up just going right.

34:03 Speaker 4: It looks like incredibly fatally went in that ninety return. Meanwhile,

34:08 Speaker 4: insiship like this, right, and then if you had windows,

34:11 Speaker 4: what you're scenes the sceniory changing outside exactly, no forces

34:16 Speaker 4: on you, nothing. And it's true alien beings just like

34:20 Speaker 4: those couldn't handle high G forces those kinds of sharp turns.

34:24 Speaker 4: That's because they're not really doing it constantly, just the

34:27 Speaker 4: illusion of it. It's based on and and wow, that's

34:35 Speaker 4: the fact.

34:35 Speaker 3: Jack. So what's the next step? What's the next step

34:43 Speaker 3: for for for talk? I mean, because you're you just

34:47 Speaker 3: explained that to someone who I like to think I'm

34:50 Speaker 3: intelligent enough, but that well, I'm saying, uh, you know,

34:57 Speaker 3: how do you get this?

34:59 Speaker 2: Someone has to start the process of right, Okay, give

35:02 Speaker 2: an example.

35:03 Speaker 3: Okay.

35:03 Speaker 4: There are a number of very high end people Okay, Harvard,

35:08 Speaker 4: other universities who have said, I believe they travel into dimensionally.

35:13 Speaker 4: You know, I am willing to bet that this is

35:18 Speaker 4: exactly what they're thinking, because I've been talking about this

35:22 Speaker 4: for four years and is based on a book by

35:24 Speaker 4: a very good friend of mine, Robert Schuber, called Solving

35:27 Speaker 4: the UFO Enigma. Right, Bob has I've read the book.

35:31 Speaker 4: It's not for people ordinary people because he has string

35:35 Speaker 4: theory equations and science driven. It's science driven, and it's

35:39 Speaker 4: it's it's hard to digest if you're someone that doesn't

35:42 Speaker 4: know science, okay, and when you read it, you go, wow,

35:47 Speaker 4: it just makes Why did I see this before I

35:50 Speaker 4: met Bob? Talked to him many times for good friends,

35:53 Speaker 4: and I've insisted did he do talks and conferences like

35:56 Speaker 4: this one contacting the desert. He's very soft spoken, but

36:01 Speaker 4: I think that he'd have to be able to explain

36:05 Speaker 4: it in a way that people can understand, and he's

36:07 Speaker 4: a little more scientific. So I told him, I'm telling

36:12 Speaker 4: everybody I know, Bob, and I'm giving them a way

36:15 Speaker 4: to at least engage in the conversation. And that's what

36:18 Speaker 4: we all I think they want to do. So he's

36:22 Speaker 4: all forlready loved it. And so this particular process is

36:28 Speaker 4: one that can explain every single thing we see with UFOs.

36:33 Speaker 4: It doesn't mean that's how they're actually operating. I'm just

36:35 Speaker 4: saying it can explain all the observed nominies we see

36:39 Speaker 4: with UFOs. It can explain how aliens.

36:44 Speaker 10: If they exist, I could go from outside of the

36:47 Speaker 10: window to inside the window instant without already doing with them, right,

36:52 Speaker 10: they pop out from location outside of them and pop

36:55 Speaker 10: in at the X y Z moment moments.

36:58 Speaker 3: Later inside right, right, I mean it's the same technology.

37:02 Speaker 3: It's maybe it's just a portable version for them. It's

37:05 Speaker 3: an exactly so like a portable way to do it

37:07 Speaker 3: way to do it at that I've.

37:09 Speaker 4: Said, I was taken on through a window and feel like, yeah,

37:14 Speaker 4: it doesn't it doesn't work, And in fact, it didn't

37:16 Speaker 4: work for me for a long time until I encountered

37:19 Speaker 4: this theory.

37:21 Speaker 3: It's a lot of those paradox the only way they

37:24 Speaker 3: could happen, right, right, It almost insinuates that there's a

37:30 Speaker 3: fit at least a fifth dimension, So we.

37:33 Speaker 4: Stream theory includes a lot of the right, they're all

37:35 Speaker 4: very very small, right, So how we would access them

37:39 Speaker 4: and how we could utilize them still far? Okay, So

37:43 Speaker 4: is this now the only way it can happen in

37:47 Speaker 4: terms of what we understand now? Yeah, in the future

37:50 Speaker 4: maybe not. But I can tell you this at the

37:52 Speaker 4: fastest possible speed we can go. Now, it's going to

37:56 Speaker 4: take us ten thousand years to get the office century.

37:58 Speaker 3: And when and then you know, halfway to the trip, well,

38:03 Speaker 3: I'm just saying halfway to the trip. Then you know,

38:07 Speaker 3: due to relativity. How far are we going to be

38:09 Speaker 3: advancing that time in our technology? Technology might advance so

38:13 Speaker 3: far that by the time they get halfway, we invent

38:16 Speaker 3: something that can get us there in twenty minutes.

38:18 Speaker 4: So it was all for enough And it's actually the

38:20 Speaker 4: basis of the science fiction show that I saw. Yeah,

38:23 Speaker 4: so it's like they catch up, like Generation ship left

38:26 Speaker 4: the Earth, it's almost all the way the proximately and

38:30 Speaker 4: there's already a ship there and it's highly advanced ship

38:34 Speaker 4: and like aliens meet us here. No, it's just humans

38:38 Speaker 4: that developed us, you know, and actually made it here. Yeah,

38:41 Speaker 4: because a Generation ship was taking like a thousand years

38:44 Speaker 4: to get there. Yeah, and humans end up making a

38:46 Speaker 4: ship and cut there hundreds of years earlier. Yep, okay,

38:50 Speaker 4: very quickly, and they were just highly advanced individuals. Yeah,

38:54 Speaker 4: so now we were the dinosaurs on that ship. It's

38:57 Speaker 4: kind of interesting, you know, the concept. And I do

39:00 Speaker 4: like those krands of science arch and shows because they

39:02 Speaker 4: do deal with topics like that, right, But this is

39:06 Speaker 4: now a reality type based, reality based opportunity for us

39:11 Speaker 4: to explore travel real like not not.

39:16 Speaker 3: This isn't like just stay in our solar system travel

39:20 Speaker 3: this is, you know, span the cosmos.

39:22 Speaker 4: Span the cosmos? Like you said, yeah, and how long

39:27 Speaker 4: would it take us to go to the center of

39:29 Speaker 4: the galaxy? Thirty thousand or so light years and I

39:33 Speaker 4: don't know, maybe it took twenty minutes to go four

39:36 Speaker 4: light years. You can do the math and kind of day, well,

39:39 Speaker 4: at that rate, this is how long. It's easy to

39:41 Speaker 4: figure that out, right, But that's just a calculation based

39:44 Speaker 4: on a certain amount of energy a certain distance into

39:47 Speaker 4: that fifth dimension. You go, what if you really really far, Well,

39:51 Speaker 4: maybe you can do like a thousand light years at

39:54 Speaker 4: a time and do thirty jokes, right, maybe you could

39:57 Speaker 4: do ten thousand layears at a time. Okay, But here's

40:01 Speaker 4: here's the point. Indian creatures, in my inestimation, if they're

40:07 Speaker 4: out there, and I'm trying to believe they are, if

40:10 Speaker 4: they use this technique, which I kind of believe they must,

40:13 Speaker 4: then they are probably the greatest cartographers or math makers

40:19 Speaker 4: math makers in the entire universe because they have to

40:21 Speaker 4: know every entry point and understand where they're going. Don't

40:25 Speaker 4: materializing the star.

40:28 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would be very uncomfortable. Yeah, you know, I

40:33 Speaker 2: will say this.

40:33 Speaker 4: There's another piece of this you talked about USOS. Okay,

40:38 Speaker 4: we understand. Now for UFOs, what about USOS? What are

40:41 Speaker 4: USOS unknown sub version? Okay?

40:44 Speaker 2: I went on on the sub story.

40:47 Speaker 4: There was an experience there work the sonar team on

40:50 Speaker 4: the submarines. So that was just a guest, yea that

40:54 Speaker 4: wasn't even a sailor, and the the UH submarine sonar

40:59 Speaker 4: crew saw something moved through the SNAr at several hundred

41:03 Speaker 4: miles an hour.

41:04 Speaker 2: Fast mover fast mover correct.

41:06 Speaker 4: Yeah. So when I did a job of the Joint

41:08 Speaker 4: chiefs some years later, the chiefs confronted with me that

41:12 Speaker 4: they couldn't talk about that program. I drove back to

41:15 Speaker 4: Washington in the days you know, they get to real. Okay,

41:19 Speaker 4: So then if you consider that these things can be underwater,

41:24 Speaker 4: and it's like, O, could they be underwater?

41:26 Speaker 2: What if they.

41:27 Speaker 4: Materialize the side of way right, but that'd be pretty massive. Well,

41:32 Speaker 4: the answer is that they have the ability to map

41:36 Speaker 4: where they're going to enter. Okay, in my so, and

41:40 Speaker 4: here's not how they do it like the Titans, carbon fiber,

41:45 Speaker 4: you know, titanium in caps. I knew it was a

41:48 Speaker 4: disaster in the making. I actually make comments saying not

41:53 Speaker 4: a good combination. That carbon fibre is the goual side

41:56 Speaker 4: carbon fibers squishing the center of that cylinder. And it

41:59 Speaker 4: was where they titening hull is in the carbon fibres.

42:02 Speaker 4: It's gonna, it's gonna, it's gonna belaborate him in here,

42:07 Speaker 4: and I knew that was gonna ay. I wanted to

42:11 Speaker 4: talk to the Stockton Rush, the CEO. I never made

42:13 Speaker 4: the call. I never met hold them in the email.

42:16 Speaker 4: I kept saying to people, that's not a good design.

42:18 Speaker 4: And I've worked for folks that puts whole ocean graphic institution.

42:21 Speaker 4: I've been in the album that those are the Titanic.

42:23 Speaker 4: I didn't die the Titanic. Yes, I've been in it

42:26 Speaker 4: on store just to learn about studying because I knew

42:28 Speaker 4: the pilens of people. It made it working well to

42:32 Speaker 4: speak right, It's a radio control system, okay for a movie.

42:36 Speaker 4: And so these folks know the deep seed okay, ocean

42:42 Speaker 4: gay didn't. And the problem is the ocean pressure down

42:46 Speaker 4: there by Titanic. We're talking about many tons per square okay,

42:51 Speaker 4: on all sides. So let's say to us O unknown,

42:56 Speaker 4: it's not gonna be exempt from that. It's gonna get

42:59 Speaker 4: crushed the same way unless unless it's shifting from that

43:07 Speaker 4: dimension to the fifth dimension very rapidly. This can consistently

43:12 Speaker 4: idling and high high frequency, and so it's neither hearing

43:17 Speaker 4: of there in any period of time. And if it

43:20 Speaker 4: can do that, you've been going just a little. Then

43:23 Speaker 4: the pressure can't.

43:25 Speaker 2: Act on it here. You can act on it anywhere,

43:28 Speaker 2: that's right.

43:29 Speaker 4: So the bottom line is it's sort of in another

43:31 Speaker 4: one and I live about and I believe that that's

43:35 Speaker 4: where they are. Believe they're in the deep otion because

43:37 Speaker 4: they can be. Yeah, I do that. And I know

43:42 Speaker 4: that there's a recent case, very recent case where folks

43:45 Speaker 4: in the US Navy ships saw these this craft coming

43:48 Speaker 4: in on the water.

43:49 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

43:51 Speaker 4: I actually analyzed the video of that for other proofs

43:54 Speaker 4: out there. Long standing show on History Channel. Yeah I'm there.

43:59 Speaker 2: I love that show.

44:01 Speaker 4: But yeah yeah, and uh Tony Harris the host, great guy.

44:05 Speaker 4: I met him in Los Angeles time. So this this

44:09 Speaker 4: this process, it's been witnessed.

44:12 Speaker 2: It hasn't been yes, yeah, observed, I mean very good.

44:20 Speaker 2: Darcy's does a good job.

44:21 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, the story and I watched him.

44:25 Speaker 11: Testify, yeah, perfect, Yeah, if you do it, I'll be there.

44:31 Speaker 11: I would it could support you there. But we'll see,

44:34 Speaker 11: you know, So, will they get to it they do

44:37 Speaker 11: the USL thing again, I'll probably be there.

44:39 Speaker 4: Well.

44:40 Speaker 2: I think Richard Dolan and such. I think, you know,

44:43 Speaker 2: it's bringing a lot of attention to it right now.

44:45 Speaker 4: So yeah, Dolan actually talks about my story.

44:48 Speaker 3: Yeah, right right, it's yeah, and that, like I said,

44:52 Speaker 3: that story, I'm so glad that, you know. It's just

44:55 Speaker 3: it's one of those stories that you just it sticks

44:58 Speaker 3: with you, especially.

44:59 Speaker 4: When you're on the boat and you think you're gonna

45:01 Speaker 4: die because someone's announcing this fast movers coming toward.

45:04 Speaker 2: The boat torpedo missile. You're about to explode.

45:08 Speaker 4: Literally scary.

45:09 Speaker 2: Okay, okay, I would have been doing that same thing

45:14 Speaker 2: two years.

45:14 Speaker 4: After that trip. But I do a job with the

45:16 Speaker 4: Joint Chiefs. I had to build a briefing model for

45:18 Speaker 4: the president the next thing big, so I was nervous about,

45:22 Speaker 4: right right. I brought the model down to the chiefs,

45:25 Speaker 4: asked one on the side, you know, can you tell

45:27 Speaker 4: me about the fast mover?

45:30 Speaker 2: So so that drive home from Washington was scary. I

45:37 Speaker 2: was like, what's cd that was? That really the moment

45:40 Speaker 2: where it.

45:41 Speaker 4: Kind of like clicked in, clicked in that this is

45:44 Speaker 4: all real stuff, where it really crazy because I'm like,

45:48 Speaker 4: now I'm on a journey of yoursl to learn about that, right,

45:51 Speaker 4: And it's this that I talked with many submariners Okay,

45:54 Speaker 4: And he says, oh, yeah, ship, we call those jellyfish.

45:57 Speaker 4: We didn't have a way to classify, and they don't.

46:01 Speaker 4: They call them jellyfish because they were doing exactly the

46:05 Speaker 4: opposite jellyfish. They weren't just sitting there, okay. They were

46:08 Speaker 4: actually speeding several hundred pus a dollar.

46:11 Speaker 2: Which could go back to what we were discussing earlier,

46:15 Speaker 2: rapid items.

46:16 Speaker 4: Rapid oscillation, back and forth, popping it out, okay, and

46:19 Speaker 4: they can move as fast as they want. In the

46:22 Speaker 4: sixties or five submarines in a wolf packed us doing

46:27 Speaker 4: exercise of Puerto Rico and one of the subs broke

46:31 Speaker 4: off because it saw something. Now they didn't know on

46:34 Speaker 4: the boat that this wasn't part of the exercise. They

46:38 Speaker 4: thought maybe it was, so they reacted to it. They

46:41 Speaker 4: went after, okay, tracked it, and they saw that it

46:45 Speaker 4: went to the full ocean depth all the way to

46:47 Speaker 4: the surface allowed them to get closed and the spin

46:50 Speaker 4: off and it was totally with them for two days

46:53 Speaker 4: two days, and this event ended up becoming famous. So

46:58 Speaker 4: that process that it was something that was like the

47:02 Speaker 4: first indicator that there's something going on in the devotion

47:06 Speaker 4: where these things can travel at high speed and do

47:09 Speaker 4: these types of nuvers. You know, you know, Japanese crew cardship,

47:14 Speaker 4: the crews out on the deck, there's no cigarettes. The

47:17 Speaker 4: captain's ship towards van they see these discs can plowing

47:22 Speaker 4: out of the water. Hmmm hmmm, you're like, whoa. The

47:26 Speaker 4: whole crew saw and the captain had the presence of

47:30 Speaker 4: mind to get the lot of latitude and longitude to

47:35 Speaker 4: like several significant figures for the location at the exact

47:42 Speaker 4: location of the southern end Marianna's Trench, the deepest part

47:46 Speaker 4: of deepest southern exactly there. Because why wouldn't you be

47:52 Speaker 4: why they could go any depth they want. So they're

47:55 Speaker 4: gonna go where I always say this, They're gonna go

47:57 Speaker 4: where we're not.

47:58 Speaker 3: They're gonna stay away from the the ages with thermonuclear weapons.

48:02 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they have an interest in that too.

48:05 Speaker 2: But water is the next well.

48:07 Speaker 4: Water is just a convenient.

48:09 Speaker 2: Right, We're not there, right, If this.

48:13 Speaker 4: Was the full depth of the deepest part of the ocean,

48:16 Speaker 4: the deepest us to go about an instrument the top

48:18 Speaker 4: of the ship Jesus, that's about the deepest.

48:21 Speaker 3: Okay, wow, yeah, well I think i I'm good.

48:26 Speaker 2: Have to I be back on the podcast coming up,

48:28 Speaker 2: and I know you're a busy man, and get back

48:30 Speaker 2: to the booth. I want to say thank you for

48:32 Speaker 2: sitting down with me. But always a pleasure, always a pleasure.

48:38 Speaker 3: And keep keep doing what you're doing because I think that,

48:41 Speaker 3: like I said, it's the tangible stuff that we need.

48:45 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true, all right, And for everyone watching or listening,

48:48 Speaker 2: you know what it is.

48:49 Speaker 3: I've said it a million times at this conference, like share, subscribe,

48:52 Speaker 3: if you're listening on podcast platform.

48:54 Speaker 2: Follow and leave a rating.

48:56 Speaker 3: It takes two seconds and helps with you as this guy, okay, yeah,

48:58 Speaker 3: I'm all right, and as the skuyde to our live stream.

49:02 Speaker 2: Yeah, so all right, I'll put a link for that

49:04 Speaker 2: right here as well, QR code after anyone launching.

49:06 Speaker 4: All right, thank you,