US Air Force Whistleblower Michaela Fachar-National Security & Non Human Intelligence

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1:32 Speaker 5: Everybody, welcome back to Total Disclosure. I am your host

1:35 Speaker 5: Tai and we have a special show tonight. Mikayla Fachar

1:40 Speaker 5: is a former national security professional who served as an

1:43 Speaker 5: all source analyst in the US Air Force Reserved for

1:46 Speaker 5: six years and held various intelligence roles within the US government.

1:51 Speaker 5: In the fall of twenty twenty one, during her first

1:53 Speaker 5: semester at Georgetown University School, of foreign service. She had

1:57 Speaker 5: a profound experience making contact with Nhi with no prior

2:02 Speaker 5: knowledge or exposure to the phenomena. She was informed of

2:06 Speaker 5: her contact by an element of the US government committed

2:09 Speaker 5: to her career in national security. Mikayla confided only in

2:13 Speaker 5: a close circle, keeping the experienced secret to avoid misconceptions,

2:17 Speaker 5: and remained focused on our mission, not to mention the

2:21 Speaker 5: stigma that comes with it. However, a year later, her

2:24 Speaker 5: Nhi contact intensified, kind of, ultimately reshaping the course of

2:30 Speaker 5: her life like it does with most. Earlier this month,

2:33 Speaker 5: Mikayla came forward as a whistleblower sharing details from her

2:37 Speaker 5: twenty twenty to twenty twenty one Air Force deployment in

2:39 Speaker 5: Qatar in hopes of corroborating information disclosed by Matt Livelsberger,

2:45 Speaker 5: who was part of the Tesla truck explosion and subsequent

2:52 Speaker 5: manifesto that came out on Sean Ryan Show via the

2:57 Speaker 5: other guy's name, I forget. I think it started with Shoe.

3:01 Speaker 5: So with that being said, thank you michaelab for joining

3:04 Speaker 5: us tonight. I'm super happy to have you. I really

3:08 Speaker 5: want to not waste any time, so I again thank

3:12 Speaker 5: you for coming on and thank you for your service

3:14 Speaker 5: to this country.

3:16 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having me on.

3:18 Speaker 5: Oh absolutely, So I want to I want to start.

3:21 Speaker 5: I actually kind of want to start with a little banter.

3:24 Speaker 5: And I do this. It kind of eased at tension

3:27 Speaker 5: a little bit. Some people get kind of locked up.

3:31 Speaker 5: But this, did you see this? What happened over DC

3:35 Speaker 5: a couple of nights ago with this helicopter and the

3:37 Speaker 5: and the plane.

3:39 Speaker 1: Yes, I did.

3:41 Speaker 5: What's your take on that? Because I saw this and

3:44 Speaker 5: I really feel terrible for all of the people affected

3:47 Speaker 5: and the family, So, you know, godspeed when and and

3:53 Speaker 5: I hope they're all dealing with it in their own way.

3:55 Speaker 5: But did it look odd to you?

4:01 Speaker 1: Yes? I don't. I've never been on a helicopter and

4:04 Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, with the NVGs and the

4:06 Speaker 1: night vision goggles and like what everything looks like. But

4:09 Speaker 1: it is bizarre. And then we have different information coming

4:13 Speaker 1: out that suggests that there were not enough ATCs in

4:16 Speaker 1: the air traffic controllers who were able to like on

4:21 Speaker 1: comms with any of the aircraft, so that could have

4:24 Speaker 1: led to that incident. But if we look at patterns

4:27 Speaker 1: in legacy media and the reporting, we're not going to

4:30 Speaker 1: get a clear answer from the Pentagon or the CIA

4:33 Speaker 1: or from the intelligence community, and so hoping that the

4:36 Speaker 1: Trump administration and I'm sure they will come out and

4:39 Speaker 1: reveal what actually went wrong.

4:41 Speaker 5: Yeah, because I saw a longer video of it, and

4:45 Speaker 5: right now it's playing on the like the media. Is this,

4:48 Speaker 5: you know, really short clip where you barely see the

4:50 Speaker 5: light make contact with the other with the plane, and

4:55 Speaker 5: I saw a longer clip. I mean, it just doesn't

4:58 Speaker 5: make sense to me how they didn't visibly say okay,

5:04 Speaker 5: we need to move like there's no I mean, it

5:08 Speaker 5: just it's it was like it looked deliberate and I

5:11 Speaker 5: hate to even go back.

5:13 Speaker 1: Yeah, So this is this is where I'm not clear, right,

5:17 Speaker 1: It's like I want to know who the casualties on

5:20 Speaker 1: the helicopter wore, and that really determines what went wrong

5:25 Speaker 1: and if there are any casualties. I mean, we're getting

5:27 Speaker 1: mixed information from the media on that. On that aspect,

5:31 Speaker 1: that would be really where we get the answer on

5:33 Speaker 1: any of.

5:33 Speaker 5: That, right, And and have you ever seen anything like

5:36 Speaker 5: that before where a military a military uh you know,

5:42 Speaker 5: chopper on a mission hits a civilian jumbo jet.

5:49 Speaker 1: No, And it's weird because I lived up in McLean, Virginia,

5:53 Speaker 1: and so I always drove from DC at night time.

5:57 Speaker 1: There are a ton of helicopters like it's not it's

6:00 Speaker 1: business as usual. So for this to happen, is.

6:04 Speaker 5: It seems really weird. Yeah, it seems a little bit odd.

6:07 Speaker 5: But you obviously, like I said, my thoughts and prayers

6:11 Speaker 5: or whatever go out to the families and anyone who's affected,

6:16 Speaker 5: and hopefully we can get to the bottom of that.

6:18 Speaker 5: So I want to have you on because now I

6:23 Speaker 5: saw your post. I saw your post when the whole

6:27 Speaker 5: thing was kind of going down with Sean Ryan, and

6:30 Speaker 5: it piqued my interest. Obviously as a member of the

6:33 Speaker 5: you know, the quote unquote UFO community. Anytime someone with

6:37 Speaker 5: credibility like yours comes out and says anything, I think

6:40 Speaker 5: it's important that we take note and give that person

6:46 Speaker 5: at least the benefit of their credibility and their background

6:50 Speaker 5: to at least hear them out and not dismiss what

6:52 Speaker 5: they say just because we don't want to believe it. Now,

6:56 Speaker 5: with that being said, I do want to start at

6:59 Speaker 5: kind of your early life. If you talked to me

7:02 Speaker 5: off the record or off air about you know your contact,

7:06 Speaker 5: and I want to kind of set the stage. So

7:11 Speaker 5: where did all of this begin? What made you, you know,

7:14 Speaker 5: choose to go into the military, and you know, where'd

7:18 Speaker 5: you grow up? Did you have a good, good early

7:21 Speaker 5: life all that kind of stuff.

7:23 Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you. So I grew up in Astoria, Queens

7:27 Speaker 1: in New York City and my parents. I was the

7:30 Speaker 1: only child. For a long time my parents were together.

7:32 Speaker 1: They got divorced when I was ten years old. And

7:34 Speaker 1: then when they did get divorced, it changed. It took

7:38 Speaker 1: me on a new journey because before ten years old

7:41 Speaker 1: and I was born nineteen ninety four, I never moved

7:44 Speaker 1: outside of my home. So I was very comfortable, and

7:48 Speaker 1: I had this sense of coziness in my home. I

7:51 Speaker 1: remember that feeling and the really weird thing that if

7:55 Speaker 1: I look back when I was like five years old,

7:58 Speaker 1: as early as I can remember, I remember always laying

8:01 Speaker 1: in bed and knowing, like some just knowing that I

8:06 Speaker 1: was comfortable and that was going to change in the future.

8:09 Speaker 1: And also the ephemeral nature of life. Just would cry

8:14 Speaker 1: every night every night, almost in bed because something would

8:19 Speaker 1: say to me, don't get too comfortable. Life is temporary,

8:23 Speaker 1: and your parents won't be there forever, and it's I

8:27 Speaker 1: don't know where that came from. I didn't think it

8:30 Speaker 1: was weird. I just thought I was always very sensitive.

8:33 Speaker 1: But after I had my conscious experience, which you will

8:35 Speaker 1: get into later, I realized that I've had contact with

8:39 Speaker 1: Nhi since I was very young.

8:41 Speaker 5: And this is this is the kind of something that's

8:44 Speaker 5: ongoing in the We see a lot of this in

8:46 Speaker 5: the community. Is some sort of moment happens now. I

8:51 Speaker 5: call it the moment of conversion. You know, for me,

8:54 Speaker 5: it happened with seeing a craft come over my head.

8:58 Speaker 5: It's that moment that you know that this is not

9:02 Speaker 5: a black and white world. There's a lot more gray

9:04 Speaker 5: than than than you know mommy and Daddy ever taught

9:07 Speaker 5: us uh and so and and then you people start

9:13 Speaker 5: realizing or they go through steps like hypnotic regression and

9:17 Speaker 5: try to find out more and if they've had contact,

9:20 Speaker 5: and most of the time they have to some degree.

9:24 Speaker 5: So when you said that you're getting these these feelings

9:28 Speaker 5: about you know, life is short and it's don't get comfortable.

9:34 Speaker 5: Are these fleeting thoughts in your head or is it

9:36 Speaker 5: like a disembodied voice.

9:41 Speaker 1: It wasn't even it's not like a voice. It was

9:44 Speaker 1: just a knowing about It was just a knowing. And

9:49 Speaker 1: there are different terms when I look at it through

9:52 Speaker 1: the lens that I have today and how we have

9:54 Speaker 1: a lot of experiences come out, talk about tell up

9:58 Speaker 1: with your the SI aspect of things it was. It's

10:03 Speaker 1: strange because it doesn't come from the brain like it

10:05 Speaker 1: just comes from the heart. It's like, I know, this

10:08 Speaker 1: is not forever, Mommy and Dad, You're not going to

10:11 Speaker 1: be here forever. And I used to cry, that would

10:16 Speaker 1: be and then that would be one of the weirder

10:18 Speaker 1: things from my early childhood, besides some other things that happen,

10:22 Speaker 1: which we can get into if you're interested.

10:24 Speaker 5: I am, let's hear it all.

10:27 Speaker 1: So when I was yeah ahead, no no, no, no, no.

10:30 Speaker 5: I was going to say, so, all right, So you

10:32 Speaker 5: at what age do you think you start having these

10:35 Speaker 5: kind of like adult thoughts, you know, existential kind of thoughts.

10:46 Speaker 1: Now that you ask it that way, I think that

10:49 Speaker 1: it wasn't really like an age. It seems more realistically,

10:54 Speaker 1: given that I was really young, it feels more realistically

10:56 Speaker 1: like a conversation with an adult. And so I would

11:02 Speaker 1: cry before bed, and it was like I was having

11:06 Speaker 1: a conversation as a reminder that I shouldn't get too comfortable,

11:11 Speaker 1: that you know, life is all these like higher lessons.

11:15 Speaker 1: I guess that obviously made me cry when I was younger,

11:19 Speaker 1: because I was young, and then I would think about

11:22 Speaker 1: I'd just play and stuff. But actually my parents, my

11:26 Speaker 1: mother thought I had signs of some I wouldn't say disability.

11:31 Speaker 1: I just had these weird quirks like OCD, and my

11:35 Speaker 1: mother would bring me to a doctor and get me checked.

11:38 Speaker 1: I mean, like normal parents get me checked and things

11:40 Speaker 1: like that. But when I was five years old, I

11:43 Speaker 1: was actually really scared of ET the extraterrestrial. So I'm

11:47 Speaker 1: not having ET contact, right, Like the weird anomalist contact

11:51 Speaker 1: would be the realizations that I'm having at five years old,

11:54 Speaker 1: or what I thought were realizations at nighttime. Another thing

11:57 Speaker 1: that happened was that you know the printing paper that

12:01 Speaker 1: comes in the stack. Yeah, I was scared of E

12:05 Speaker 1: t the extraterrestrial because he looks scary in the movie.

12:08 Speaker 1: It's like a valley. But I actually drew ET pointing

12:14 Speaker 1: up at a UFO, and I drew like the ground

12:16 Speaker 1: where it's like a line on the bottom of the

12:18 Speaker 1: white paper and he's pointing up and I write phone

12:21 Speaker 1: home in like a speech bubble. I did that same

12:25 Speaker 1: exact drawing on all of the pages of a stack

12:29 Speaker 1: of printing paper. No different, It was the same thing.

12:33 Speaker 5: It's not even a good flip book like write his

12:36 Speaker 5: pos right.

12:39 Speaker 1: It's a still it's a still flip book.

12:44 Speaker 5: But that that is just kind of hard. So all right,

12:48 Speaker 5: So so it sounds like you just you're very intuitive

12:53 Speaker 5: for some reason, and maybe we I think we could

12:57 Speaker 5: probably guess why now. But staying on course here, so

13:02 Speaker 5: you're you're young, You're having these these really really intense thoughts, troubling,

13:09 Speaker 5: having trouble sleeping or or at least without crying beforehand

13:14 Speaker 5: due to the nature of the of reality. And so

13:19 Speaker 5: what happens next? What? What? Wow? What experiences are you?

13:24 Speaker 5: Are you referring to from earlier, the other things that

13:29 Speaker 5: you wanted to talk about from your childhood?

13:32 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so just really weird things like that, like

13:36 Speaker 1: a little bit of OCD and other quirks that I

13:41 Speaker 1: had where I liked horror films. I loved Freddy Krueger,

13:46 Speaker 1: The Exorcist, Nightmare on Elm Street, the eighties version I

13:50 Speaker 1: loved all of that. I loved horror, but e t

13:53 Speaker 1: the Extraterrestrial. That was where I drew the line, which

13:56 Speaker 1: is like really irrational when I looked back at it.

14:02 Speaker 1: So novel.

14:03 Speaker 5: Yeah, So what you're saying is like, all right, people,

14:06 Speaker 5: like I'm trying to tell you, like I like horror movies, right,

14:09 Speaker 5: so like those things didn't scare me, but for some

14:12 Speaker 5: reason this child's movie did. Yes, Okay, So I all right,

14:17 Speaker 5: that makes sense and that that is a very that

14:21 Speaker 5: is odd. I kind of I think I had a

14:23 Speaker 5: similar experience. I remember seeing the way after I saw

14:29 Speaker 5: my own sighting, I was begging my mother, begging her

14:34 Speaker 5: to take me to the library so I could I

14:36 Speaker 5: could find out more because she told me what I

14:38 Speaker 5: saw was a UFO. She was very clear. She was like,

14:41 Speaker 5: sounds like you saw a UFO. Yeah, And so she

14:45 Speaker 5: brought me to the library and I remember seeing the

14:48 Speaker 5: book that had a flying saucer on it, and like

14:51 Speaker 5: I just just stared at it for like twenty minutes,

14:56 Speaker 5: and you know it, it it threw me for a

15:00 Speaker 5: loop because you know, everything became like so much more real.

15:04 Speaker 5: So it sounds like you're having these kind of same

15:06 Speaker 5: experiences where these coincidences and these things that don't add up.

15:12 Speaker 1: M Yeah, and so.

15:16 Speaker 5: What how how did someone Okay, see, you have a

15:20 Speaker 5: pretty good childhood, but your parents divorced, which is just

15:23 Speaker 5: oddly this day and age, it's kind of semi like normal.

15:29 Speaker 5: I guess everyone's parents are divorced these days. So aside

15:33 Speaker 5: from those things that that what what leads you down

15:38 Speaker 5: the military path? Of course, you sound like a very

15:41 Speaker 5: you know, very intelligent, you know, pretty young woman. What

15:45 Speaker 5: brings you to the military.

15:48 Speaker 1: Yeah, So when my parents got divorced at ten years old,

15:52 Speaker 1: my father was actually doing business in China, and I

15:56 Speaker 1: moved to China with him, spent about three years there.

16:00 Speaker 1: I lived in Shunjun, which is southeast China, right across

16:04 Speaker 1: the water from Hong Kong, and I lived there for

16:07 Speaker 1: two and a half years. Then I moved back to

16:09 Speaker 1: live with my mom in New York City. I would

16:11 Speaker 1: go back and forth between China and the United States.

16:14 Speaker 1: My father wasn't in government. He was a private businessman

16:16 Speaker 1: and entrepreneur, and he eventually he married my stepmother, who's Chinese.

16:21 Speaker 1: So I have half my family reporter. My family's Chinese,

16:25 Speaker 1: and when I went to college, I really hadn't thought

16:29 Speaker 1: about what I wanted to do. But growing up in

16:32 Speaker 1: that time, so I was born ninety four, I was

16:34 Speaker 1: actually in second grade when nine to eleven happened. So

16:37 Speaker 1: the backdrop of nine to eleven national security became a

16:40 Speaker 1: personal thing because I remember leaving second grade, leaving my

16:44 Speaker 1: class half day or in the morning when the situation

16:49 Speaker 1: with the World Trade Center happened, and so it became

16:52 Speaker 1: very personal. And so when I was in college, I

16:57 Speaker 1: figured out, I figured, Okay, well I have a background,

17:01 Speaker 1: I speak Samander, and I should improve it, and well,

17:06 Speaker 1: what's important in society. In American society, the US China

17:11 Speaker 1: national security situation was becoming more intense, and this was

17:16 Speaker 1: around twenty twelve, but it wasn't really like front and

17:19 Speaker 1: center like what we saw under the Trump administration in

17:22 Speaker 1: twenty sixteen. But I knew it was climbing. So I said,

17:27 Speaker 1: let me go into international relations and go into public

17:30 Speaker 1: service where I believe I could bring my background and

17:33 Speaker 1: my personal experiences into a public service or national security

17:37 Speaker 1: career for the United States. And so I went down

17:41 Speaker 1: this path. I actually applied for an American government scholarship

17:45 Speaker 1: to study in China. In undergrad, I went to the

17:48 Speaker 1: University at Buffalo. I didn't get it. It was very

17:52 Speaker 1: competitive scholarship, but I did get a Confucius Institute scholarship, which,

17:57 Speaker 1: if anyone understands or knows the China situation, the Confucius

18:01 Speaker 1: Institute was a Chinese language and culture program that the

18:05 Speaker 1: Chinese Communist Party or the Chinese government funded so that

18:09 Speaker 1: it would attach itself or jointly run Chinese programs in

18:16 Speaker 1: the United States. Well, they shut down I think around

18:20 Speaker 1: twenty twenty under the Trump administration, and then it continued

18:24 Speaker 1: on under the Biden administration that the Confucius Institute started

18:28 Speaker 1: shutting down because the funding was from Hanban, which was

18:33 Speaker 1: through the Ministry of Education, but there was also a

18:36 Speaker 1: propaganda arm called the United Frontwork that funded this, which

18:42 Speaker 1: worked in the best interest of Chinese national security. So

18:45 Speaker 1: the US government said, no, we can't have this in

18:47 Speaker 1: our schools. Creating pipelines to American talent and potential future

18:51 Speaker 1: talent of the United States that go into the US

18:53 Speaker 1: government who can be later co opted. That's pretty much

19:00 Speaker 1: what defines the US China situation. And so I finished college,

19:04 Speaker 1: I went and I went and worked a private sector

19:07 Speaker 1: for a little bit. Then I decided to apply for

19:10 Speaker 1: the CIA and simultaneously pursue an enlistment with the Air

19:15 Speaker 1: Force Reserve. And the reason why I pursued an enlistment

19:18 Speaker 1: even though I had a bachelor's degree at the time,

19:20 Speaker 1: was it was twenty eighteen nineteen and things were really

19:24 Speaker 1: ramping up with intensity between the US and China, and

19:27 Speaker 1: at that point I said, let me just get my

19:28 Speaker 1: foot in the door. I'm sure if I want to

19:30 Speaker 1: go in the CIA, that can happen later. So I

19:33 Speaker 1: was at a fork in the road where the CIA

19:35 Speaker 1: actually called me. So I applied around May, I would

19:38 Speaker 1: say May twenty eighteen. I got a random phone call

19:42 Speaker 1: in summer of twenty eighteen, like in July. I felt

19:45 Speaker 1: like I did horrible on that phone call. It was

19:47 Speaker 1: like a preliminary assessment interview so that they can you

19:51 Speaker 1: decide whether or not to allow me to continue in

19:53 Speaker 1: the pipeline, right, and then you don't hear anything, and

19:56 Speaker 1: it's really a black box. You don't know. You could

19:59 Speaker 1: be in the pipeline for five years and people have

20:01 Speaker 1: got shut down because of their polygraph different things. And

20:04 Speaker 1: I had lived a lot, you know, extensively in China,

20:07 Speaker 1: so I wasn't certain that my polygraph and my clearance

20:11 Speaker 1: was going to go through as quickly as I wanted

20:12 Speaker 1: it to. So, knowing, you know, there are priorities with

20:18 Speaker 1: what I wanted to do the mission US China picture,

20:21 Speaker 1: and I said to myself that the CIA will be

20:23 Speaker 1: there later, so let me just jump in and wear

20:25 Speaker 1: the uniform, which I always wanted to do. And so

20:28 Speaker 1: I actually turned down the CIA for the in person

20:31 Speaker 1: group interview they called me in December of twenty eighteen,

20:35 Speaker 1: and I remember my heart sinking because I'm like, dang,

20:39 Speaker 1: like I really want to do this. Also because I

20:41 Speaker 1: like human intelligence, because I like the human element of things.

20:46 Speaker 5: Right, So, but yeah, so that that must be really

20:52 Speaker 5: hard to But I can see what you're doing, because,

20:55 Speaker 5: like you said, you can always you know, go back

20:59 Speaker 5: after your your service and work with the CIA afterwards.

21:03 Speaker 5: But you know, this is kind of a a it

21:06 Speaker 5: was a one one opportunity kind of moment to get

21:09 Speaker 5: involved at that kind of level.

21:13 Speaker 2: Is that?

21:14 Speaker 1: And from a national security perspective, I'm saying, now, we

21:20 Speaker 1: know there's a lot of complexity with the national security community,

21:23 Speaker 1: politicization weapon all that stuff right from my eyes, I'm

21:27 Speaker 1: brand new to all of this. Right for me, the

21:30 Speaker 1: CIA is like watching salt film. It's not seeing the

21:34 Speaker 1: bigger picture. And from a career standpoint, the CIA is

21:37 Speaker 1: like tip of the spear for intelligence. I went to Georgetown.

21:42 Speaker 1: They recruit from Georgetown like anyone, and you can identify

21:46 Speaker 1: them by the way you can identify them, which I

21:48 Speaker 1: don't know if that's a good thing for operational security,

21:51 Speaker 1: but you can identify the peers who really want to

21:54 Speaker 1: go into CIA. They're not quiet about it, which is

21:58 Speaker 1: really funny considering we have, you know, a bunch of

22:00 Speaker 1: internationals in the program and arguably definitely some counterintelligence that

22:05 Speaker 1: go to Georgetown. I mean, it's the best international relations

22:08 Speaker 1: program in the world. But we can get into that later.

22:11 Speaker 1: But yes, that was the are.

22:14 Speaker 5: You saying that there? Is you think that other countries

22:17 Speaker 5: are sending their intelligence into our school of intelligence, so it's.

22:26 Speaker 1: A school foreign service. But yes, of course it's I

22:30 Speaker 1: mean just from the backdrop, like just from a non

22:33 Speaker 1: national security standpoint, Georgetown University, year on year is the

22:37 Speaker 1: number one program all the conspiracies by the way of

22:41 Speaker 1: like globalism, New World order, Georgetown is at the heart

22:45 Speaker 1: of all of that. And you know, you have all

22:49 Speaker 1: a lot of money. They have their own investment fund,

22:52 Speaker 1: and you have a lot of money and a lot

22:55 Speaker 1: of interests. Who are you know, they're engaged with this organization.

22:58 Speaker 1: So it's a huge center ofvity for not just today's

23:03 Speaker 1: foreign policy but also future foreign policy. Yeah, you know,

23:08 Speaker 1: it transcends that. By the way, there's also a lot

23:11 Speaker 1: of competing interests in non government organizations, think tanks, corporations. Washington,

23:20 Speaker 1: d C. Is the capital essentially of the world, so

23:23 Speaker 1: it makes sense that this would be the battleground of

23:26 Speaker 1: ideas and interests.

23:29 Speaker 5: So so okay, so you you go in with a

23:33 Speaker 5: strong sense of this, you know, of national security is

23:37 Speaker 5: something that's important to you. With that being said, because

23:46 Speaker 5: I do, I do. I don't just like to talk

23:48 Speaker 5: about you know, actress, real stuff. I do want to

23:51 Speaker 5: ask you, should citizens, you know, because we watched like

23:56 Speaker 5: the Chinese by balloon right when it can over the

24:00 Speaker 5: United States and was clearly gathering intel and you know,

24:06 Speaker 5: made its way over some sensitive areas in our country.

24:09 Speaker 5: Should should the citizens of the United States be worried

24:13 Speaker 5: about China as a military power?

24:21 Speaker 1: They should be worried. Hmm, okay, so they should Okay.

24:28 Speaker 1: So this is the privacy and security. Natural security is

24:35 Speaker 1: myopic in the sense that it's focused on the nation.

24:39 Speaker 1: Individual security boils down to privacy. For me, I don't

24:45 Speaker 1: see a difference in corporations having access to our private

24:49 Speaker 1: data and China having access to our private data. China

24:53 Speaker 1: is going to do something to undermine the US government.

24:57 Speaker 1: That being said, there's this false illusion or this false

25:01 Speaker 1: idea that the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

25:04 Speaker 1: So if you have people who don't trust US government,

25:07 Speaker 1: I include it right. But I also know that the

25:10 Speaker 1: Chinese government's not my friend. In fact, I'm gonna you know,

25:14 Speaker 1: I'm gonna place my bets on the US government because

25:17 Speaker 1: they swear an oath to the Constitution and I'm an

25:20 Speaker 1: American citizen. But what we're seeing with a lot of

25:24 Speaker 1: people who are pissed off about what happened with TikTok

25:28 Speaker 1: is they're going to Shaohongshu, which is red note the

25:32 Speaker 1: Chinese app which I have a very unique perspective of, Like,

25:36 Speaker 1: I don't think it's necessarily bad. However, they're going there

25:41 Speaker 1: and they're seeing a more still still manufactured it's social media.

25:48 Speaker 1: We always manufacture our presence. But they're seeing a more

25:51 Speaker 1: holistic version of China than what you see presented in

25:55 Speaker 1: the news. In the news, it's always national security focused,

26:00 Speaker 1: so it's always that fear based kind of information. And

26:07 Speaker 1: when you go in Shaohong Shu, you see it from

26:11 Speaker 1: a more this is what it is, and people are

26:17 Speaker 1: I see a lot of people calling other people shills

26:21 Speaker 1: of the Chinese Communist Party. And just because we're seeing

26:25 Speaker 1: a more holistic view of China doesn't make someone and

26:29 Speaker 1: being able to recognize that doesn't make someone a shill

26:32 Speaker 1: of the CCP. Their shill when they get paid to

26:36 Speaker 1: push out propaganda and to manufacturing narratives that are you know,

26:41 Speaker 1: good for the CCP.

26:43 Speaker 5: Absolutely, and and and the thing about the ban on

26:47 Speaker 5: TikTok is, you know, I'm not sure. I'm not even

26:51 Speaker 5: sure where I stand on it, because again there's part

26:54 Speaker 5: of me that is like, all right, I don't want

26:57 Speaker 5: my data at all being taken by a government, any government.

27:06 Speaker 5: But you look around and you know Facebook did it

27:11 Speaker 5: and sold their day, you know, sold a bunch of

27:14 Speaker 5: their data. I mean it led to you know, the

27:17 Speaker 5: the hearing that Mark Zuckerberg look like an alien at

27:20 Speaker 5: and you know, he's since changed his appearance to look

27:22 Speaker 5: like a like he's in eleventh grade with gecko jeans

27:27 Speaker 5: and a chain. But so it's not just TikTok. I mean,

27:33 Speaker 5: it's every social media platform they the data is I

27:37 Speaker 5: wouldn't call it safe, but with the TikTok one it

27:42 Speaker 5: was I think it was just so overt that politicians

27:45 Speaker 5: really wanted to make like a this is where we

27:48 Speaker 5: draw the line, you know. So I think it was

27:51 Speaker 5: kind of more of a political stunt.

27:53 Speaker 1: Yeah, and they're not helping anyone, so.

27:56 Speaker 5: Nop so in your honest assessment of of the Chinese

28:01 Speaker 5: Communist Party. Here in the United States, we have something

28:07 Speaker 5: known as ARROW. It came from something known as the

28:11 Speaker 5: UAP Task for Us, which came from ASAP, which came

28:15 Speaker 5: from you know, YadA, YadA, YadA it. Do you think

28:19 Speaker 5: or is it possible that the Chinese are that they

28:27 Speaker 5: are doing what we're doing and they're looking into UFOs?

28:31 Speaker 1: Absolutely? Yeah.

28:35 Speaker 5: Do you think that with the out because here in

28:39 Speaker 5: the United States we have rules, regulations, and you know,

28:43 Speaker 5: things that we you know, we can't do, we won't do.

28:46 Speaker 5: You know, it's overseen. For the most part. We like

28:49 Speaker 5: to think that what I fear about countries like China

28:52 Speaker 5: is the handlebars, I mean, the the guardrails aren't there.

28:57 Speaker 5: So they're going to test it, and they're going to

29:00 Speaker 5: test it, and they're gonna do things, and they're gonna

29:03 Speaker 5: go past the point of what we may consider to

29:08 Speaker 5: be malevolent activity in order to advance their military capabilities

29:16 Speaker 5: and other strategic elements. Is that something that does worry you.

29:23 Speaker 1: Lack of oversight worries me. And this goes back to disclosure,

29:28 Speaker 1: because we do have an element of our government that

29:31 Speaker 1: is apparently has access to UAPs and things like that.

29:35 Speaker 1: There's no oversight that we hear about so called P

29:38 Speaker 1: three program with psionics and Jake Barber or sorry, Jake Barber,

29:43 Speaker 1: he went on American Alchemy and said, well, it's not

29:48 Speaker 1: human trafficking because they're happy to do it. The problem

29:53 Speaker 1: is we've had whistleblowers, American citizen whistleblowers from black programs

29:57 Speaker 1: that don't have congressional oversight. They're threatened killed, right, So

30:04 Speaker 1: there's a clear risk, a clear danger in working in

30:07 Speaker 1: a program that doesn't have oversight and then has a

30:09 Speaker 1: for profit interest so now you're bringing people from a

30:12 Speaker 1: third world country who you're like, you know, you could

30:16 Speaker 1: Jake Barbara can say all he wants, Yeah, well they

30:18 Speaker 1: want to come, they love it, Yeah, as opposed to

30:21 Speaker 1: what you're going to a third world country where you're

30:24 Speaker 1: giving them an offer they can't refuse if they want

30:26 Speaker 1: to take care of their children. You know, this is

30:29 Speaker 1: the same argument as like a mining company going to

30:33 Speaker 1: the Congo, Yeah, and paying two dollars a day to

30:38 Speaker 1: Congolese people, and you're basically saying, well, you're lucky that

30:41 Speaker 1: you're getting this money, otherwise you're going to starve. Is

30:43 Speaker 1: this really the kind of dynamic that we want to

30:46 Speaker 1: operate on behalf of the United States without congressional oversight.

30:51 Speaker 5: That's a really good comparison to make, very good comparison

30:54 Speaker 5: to make. And because I've had other whistleblowers on the show,

31:00 Speaker 5: like Michael Horrera, and Michael Horrera sought from the other side,

31:06 Speaker 5: and he said that these people are taken from third

31:11 Speaker 5: world countries, and you know, like you kind of you

31:15 Speaker 5: kind of just said it. It's not like they have

31:18 Speaker 5: another option, right, So I found I find that to

31:23 Speaker 5: be very very, very uncomfortable and because you don't know

31:28 Speaker 5: what to make of it. You know, I don't want

31:30 Speaker 5: it to be true. And of course we don't want,

31:33 Speaker 5: you know, our government to be dealing in in call

31:37 Speaker 5: it what it is, right, slavery, modern day slavery at least.

31:42 Speaker 5: And but but but we've seen that our government and

31:45 Speaker 5: military have been caught with their parents dound so many times.

31:47 Speaker 5: That's what allows for a conspiratorial environment to thrive in

31:51 Speaker 5: their first place. Is because things like JFK, because things

31:55 Speaker 5: like i'm mlk MK ultra. We've just seen so much.

32:02 Speaker 1: One talks about Malcolm X. Yeah, when he started to

32:06 Speaker 1: put the pieces together, he suddenly disappeared.

32:10 Speaker 5: Isn't it weird? Right? So I guess that's where I

32:16 Speaker 5: kind of was getting to is we like to think

32:19 Speaker 5: that the United States has rules and regulations, but it

32:23 Speaker 5: seems that those rules and regulations seem they kind of

32:26 Speaker 5: fall away once the black you know, unacknowledged special access program,

32:32 Speaker 5: once we get into that territory, it's it seems to

32:36 Speaker 5: be that no accountability, no oversight, no jurisdiction, no borders, nothing.

32:43 Speaker 1: Just this is the problem with the US government. What

32:45 Speaker 1: you just mentioned to the teeth. They created a system.

32:49 Speaker 1: It's like a buffer zone from the actual reality of

32:52 Speaker 1: free market dynamics of the real world. How everything like

32:56 Speaker 1: when there are no artificial artificial being man made, there

33:00 Speaker 1: are no man made rules and things are allowed to flourish.

33:03 Speaker 1: And then you see they're using loopholes, using different mechanisms

33:07 Speaker 1: of putting away black programs, unacknowledged special access programs. Right, like,

33:14 Speaker 1: the buffer zone that the surface level US government created

33:19 Speaker 1: is not the one that really exists. It's not based reality.

33:25 Speaker 1: It's a subset of reality. And then they operate from

33:28 Speaker 1: the lens, right, so you have people who are groomed

33:30 Speaker 1: in a system that was created by people like them,

33:34 Speaker 1: who put them out into work in real world problems,

33:37 Speaker 1: national security for policy, and then they operate from this

33:41 Speaker 1: myopic lens that everything operates in the same way that

33:45 Speaker 1: they know everything to operate. And that's completely false. And

33:48 Speaker 1: that's why foreign policy has been a disaster. That's why

33:51 Speaker 1: the US government is having a really difficult time with

33:54 Speaker 1: the China issue because China blurs the lines of civil

33:57 Speaker 1: military fusion. So you know, obviously, so China can leverage

34:01 Speaker 1: its private sector, private individuals and corporations to achieve national security.

34:06 Speaker 5: Goals, well said, very well said, so what kind of

34:15 Speaker 5: get back? I guess get back on the linear path.

34:18 Speaker 5: All right, so you you you get it. You can't

34:22 Speaker 5: go to the CIA. You go into the military. Now

34:26 Speaker 5: what job and and and so maybe I'm stumbling over

34:31 Speaker 5: my words here, where did it go from there? Obviously

34:36 Speaker 5: you know you have that fork in the road CIA

34:39 Speaker 5: military and you go to the military route national security route.

34:43 Speaker 5: You have a high background, like we just discussed in

34:46 Speaker 5: the China situation. So you're someone that could be valuable

34:50 Speaker 5: to the asset of intelligence. So you know, what job

34:54 Speaker 5: do you take?

34:57 Speaker 1: I take the role of an all source analyst. What

35:01 Speaker 1: an all source analyst does is so we have specialization

35:05 Speaker 1: where you can do signals, intelligence, imagery, from satellite imagery,

35:10 Speaker 1: a bunch of different things. I did all sorts because

35:14 Speaker 1: it was such a black box for me that I

35:16 Speaker 1: was like, I don't want to pigeonhole myself. So let

35:19 Speaker 1: me do all sorts where I actually synthesize and aggregate

35:23 Speaker 1: or integrate all of these different kinds of intelligence or

35:26 Speaker 1: all this kind of information, and I'm able to put

35:29 Speaker 1: it together to present and see the whole picture.

35:32 Speaker 5: So instead of it I like this, so you know

35:39 Speaker 5: the the there's the adage about you know, ten people

35:42 Speaker 5: could be, you know, touching an elephant, and they're all

35:46 Speaker 5: going to describe it differently, but you know they they

35:51 Speaker 5: don't have the whole picture, right, So you're the person

35:56 Speaker 5: that is standing back and able to see the entire thing.

36:00 Speaker 5: Is that kind of Uh? Is that a good representation?

36:07 Speaker 1: Yes? And so there is a different level of analysis

36:11 Speaker 1: for looking at situation or like looking at intelligence, like

36:15 Speaker 1: I could look at local level. I could look at

36:17 Speaker 1: intelligence for like lib like Assyria or Aleppo, and I

36:23 Speaker 1: could look at intelligence there and extract different kinds of

36:26 Speaker 1: signals intelligent intelligence and be able to paint a picture

36:30 Speaker 1: of what isis or someone else is doing in the area. Right.

36:34 Speaker 1: And then there's a more macro level of analysis where

36:37 Speaker 1: I can do more regional kind of things where I

36:41 Speaker 1: look at like maybe Ukraine, Russia, and operational would be

36:44 Speaker 1: like me looking at what's happening there and then being

36:48 Speaker 1: able to provide a more macro assessment for the military

36:54 Speaker 1: US military so they are abreast of it. And then

36:57 Speaker 1: there's like a strategic level of analysis which also integrates

37:01 Speaker 1: more of the temporal component where you're looking at things

37:05 Speaker 1: from a grand strategy maybe like a theory of everything

37:09 Speaker 1: intelligence perspective, and a question I would answer from that

37:13 Speaker 1: lens is what is China's endgame or what is China

37:18 Speaker 1: planning to do in the next five years? And that

37:20 Speaker 1: would be more strategic.

37:22 Speaker 5: Okay, that that makes sense, and so okay, so that's

37:26 Speaker 5: what all source analysts is because I was going to

37:29 Speaker 5: ask you what that what that kind of meant, because

37:31 Speaker 5: it's not a term I've heard before. So this is

37:37 Speaker 5: with the Air.

37:37 Speaker 1: Force, yes, and so with the Air Force. As a

37:41 Speaker 1: junior enlisted I was more at the I want to say,

37:46 Speaker 1: like operational but also kind of tactical level. So tactical

37:50 Speaker 1: being the more localized level and what's happening right now

37:54 Speaker 1: with this terrorist group. Operational would be like Operation and

37:59 Speaker 1: During Freedom and or OFS operates Operation Freedom Center all

38:03 Speaker 1: in Afghanistan. It's more and it would be more like

38:05 Speaker 1: I feel like it would be more regional. But this

38:07 Speaker 1: is all up for debate, obviously from different point of view,

38:10 Speaker 1: and strategic wasn't in this domain. But I always loved

38:15 Speaker 1: and admired the strategic lens of things. I wanted to

38:18 Speaker 1: like get ahead of the curve. Like if we're focusing

38:21 Speaker 1: on what are they going to do tomorrow, I'm like,

38:23 Speaker 1: what are they going to do like in five years?

38:26 Speaker 1: I want to be able to like st like figure

38:28 Speaker 1: out what they want to do there. That way I

38:31 Speaker 1: could work backwards and backwards, engineer decision making and provide

38:35 Speaker 1: intelligence according to that kind of decision making is.

38:39 Speaker 5: The Okay, so are you working on? Like? So, do

38:44 Speaker 5: you have to have a what kind of clearance you

38:46 Speaker 5: have to have to be able to do this work?

38:50 Speaker 5: Do you just to do this work?

38:53 Speaker 1: M Yeah? So only needed a top secret SCI clearance

38:59 Speaker 1: for my Air Force gig and it varies depending on

39:03 Speaker 1: what your your mission is across the Air Force. For

39:06 Speaker 1: my specific mission, I only need a Top secret s

39:08 Speaker 1: c I or T S s c I. And then

39:13 Speaker 1: when I was a contractor at the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency,

39:17 Speaker 1: I received my counterintelligence polygraph.

39:21 Speaker 5: Got it? Okay? And when you were when you were

39:25 Speaker 5: dealing with these, when you were doing your job, did

39:30 Speaker 5: you ever come did anything ever stand out to you

39:36 Speaker 5: that that made you pause and go, wait a second,

39:40 Speaker 5: that doesn't seem right, that doesn't that doesn't fit you know?

39:44 Speaker 5: Where is it? Because I'm gonna we want to get

39:47 Speaker 5: into your contact and your specific contact, But is there

39:51 Speaker 5: anything on the job prior that that that maybe looking back,

39:55 Speaker 5: you're like, huh, maybe that wasn't what I thought it

39:57 Speaker 5: was as far as intelligence goes.

40:06 Speaker 1: Would this be in relation to you appeased in an ECHI?

40:09 Speaker 5: Yeah, no, so.

40:21 Speaker 1: Not in my intelligence. But sorry, it was a long pause.

40:25 Speaker 5: I was like, I hope she heard me correctly.

40:28 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was trying to think. So, not when I

40:30 Speaker 1: was doing intelligence, not until I was deployed overseas, but

40:35 Speaker 1: when I was in PT or physical. We were doing

40:38 Speaker 1: just morning level PT physical training at my tech school,

40:42 Speaker 1: which where I was learning into the tradecraft or trade

40:46 Speaker 1: the trade craft of intelligence. I was laying on my

40:49 Speaker 1: back and this was in San Angelo, Texas, at a

40:52 Speaker 1: good fellow Air Force base. I was laying on my

40:54 Speaker 1: back at like four am and stretching, looking up at

40:56 Speaker 1: the sky, utterly exhausted, and I saw like very weird activity,

41:03 Speaker 1: like you see the satellites. It's so dark outside you

41:05 Speaker 1: could see the satellites. But then I see these weird

41:10 Speaker 1: things moving that were intentional and doing these weird you know,

41:14 Speaker 1: not technology really what I could ascribe to as UFO.

41:19 Speaker 5: Right, and the first banking ninety degree turns that kind

41:22 Speaker 5: of stuff.

41:24 Speaker 1: Yeah, And there were two of them, and I remember

41:27 Speaker 1: the first thought that popped in my head was like,

41:31 Speaker 1: I was just like American pilots are just they're so childish.

41:36 Speaker 1: That was a fir Like. I just thought they were

41:37 Speaker 1: just like a couple, like you know, like the pilot

41:40 Speaker 1: bros or you know, our pilots like a bunch of bros,

41:43 Speaker 1: just like messing around with each other. Like it wasn't

41:45 Speaker 1: my instinct that it was UFOs. And then the thought

41:48 Speaker 1: I was like, well, I'm in Taxis, so there are

41:49 Speaker 1: definitely like underground facilities or something, so maybe they have

41:53 Speaker 1: that technology here. And then I moved it on. I

41:55 Speaker 1: didn't think I think of it. It was later, which

41:57 Speaker 1: we'll get into when I blew the whistle and I

42:00 Speaker 1: processing mission reports that I'm like reflecting on what I

42:04 Speaker 1: saw in tech school and I'm thinking, Okay, this is

42:07 Speaker 1: really strange. And then now we're hearing about our programs

42:11 Speaker 1: that we do have UAPs or UFOs and on all

42:14 Speaker 1: all of that other jazz.

42:16 Speaker 5: Right, So yeah, okay, so that would be an instance

42:20 Speaker 5: that I would that that makes sense that that's what

42:23 Speaker 5: I was kind of going for anything that that led

42:26 Speaker 5: up to, and now in hindsight, you're like, huh, you

42:29 Speaker 5: know that actually probably wasn't human now that I look

42:33 Speaker 5: back at it. But it's funny that you bring up

42:36 Speaker 5: underground military bases because I just was speaking with Congressman

42:40 Speaker 5: Burlison and he brought up deep underground military bases in

42:45 Speaker 5: his district that are are operated owned by Lockheed Martin.

42:52 Speaker 5: And you know, it's obviously, you know, you can't foya Lockheed,

42:57 Speaker 5: and you can't foya these private aerospace industry, these private

43:01 Speaker 5: aerospace companies. It's it's this loophole that has been created

43:06 Speaker 5: with the military industrial complex. So you know, you gotta

43:12 Speaker 5: wonder what do they have like what you know how

43:16 Speaker 5: I know you said you're thinking about what China is

43:18 Speaker 5: doing five years from now. I'm thinking about what's the

43:21 Speaker 5: United States got now that's five years twenty years ahead

43:27 Speaker 5: because obviously, yeah, yeah, please like the DARPA net to

43:32 Speaker 5: complete my thought they had DARPA net or ARPA net.

43:35 Speaker 5: Maybe I don't think that, maybe the d wasn't there yet,

43:38 Speaker 5: but they had the Internet what twenty years before the public.

43:42 Speaker 5: So I mean it's they're way ahead of us. So

43:46 Speaker 5: it scares me.

43:49 Speaker 1: Back to what you said about the FOYO, that was,

43:52 Speaker 1: what are the excuses or reasons for pushing all of

43:56 Speaker 1: this technology into the private sector so that the US

43:59 Speaker 1: government wouldn't have to answer to FOYA. I'm just going

44:02 Speaker 1: to put this out there. That's absolute garbage. That was

44:05 Speaker 1: a garbage reason. They wanted the people wanted to profit

44:09 Speaker 1: off of this technology. The Foyer reason was what naive

44:13 Speaker 1: people like Eisenhower believed was the reason why it was

44:17 Speaker 1: necessary to move it to the private sector. But if

44:19 Speaker 1: you look at Foyer requests, it's laughable because they don't

44:24 Speaker 1: give us the information. They don't answer FOYA. They don't

44:27 Speaker 1: have to answer FOYA. It is all yeah, it's all

44:30 Speaker 1: nice and dandy to be able to see as an American,

44:33 Speaker 1: I ask for a specific information, but we see it

44:36 Speaker 1: time and again they don't answer the Foyer requests and

44:40 Speaker 1: it's almost passive aggressive because some of the Foiler responses

44:44 Speaker 1: are literally like everything's reducted. So it was a for profit,

44:49 Speaker 1: self interested entity that sold to the US government under

44:53 Speaker 1: Eisenhower that they're going to push it into the private sector.

44:57 Speaker 1: This was all It was a scam.

45:00 Speaker 5: Wow, and no one.

45:01 Speaker 1: No one's ever said that before. But you guys, if

45:03 Speaker 1: you hear this, we all have looked at redacted files.

45:07 Speaker 1: So we looked at the information they give us and

45:08 Speaker 1: it's garbage. And they also throw in a lot of fluff. Yeah, yeah,

45:13 Speaker 1: they'll give you it was all a scam.

45:16 Speaker 5: They'll give you a page and you'll have like, say,

45:18 Speaker 5: it's twelve you know, twelve paragraphs eleven and at eleven

45:25 Speaker 5: and three quarters of the document is black. You get

45:28 Speaker 5: an and here a two down here, So there's no

45:32 Speaker 5: way you can make anything of it. It's it's it's

45:35 Speaker 5: funny because John Greenwald, who runs the Black Vault, he

45:39 Speaker 5: in the UFO community. I know you're new, but when

45:43 Speaker 5: John Greenwall Junior, when his name comes up, just think

45:46 Speaker 5: of like I call him the Foya King, right, he

45:51 Speaker 5: does all that for his everything and anything. And he

45:54 Speaker 5: had just got you just posted the other day in

45:58 Speaker 5: twenty twenty five, he got a response from a request

46:03 Speaker 5: from two thy and thirteen and the response is we

46:06 Speaker 5: don't have what you want. It took it took how

46:10 Speaker 5: many years to tell to say we don't have it?

46:13 Speaker 5: Like this is it's absolutely ridiculous. It's it's blasphemy.

46:18 Speaker 1: So so the United States geniuses I like to call

46:22 Speaker 1: them that. It's a term of ahearment for the government.

46:25 Speaker 1: They have a big l because they were played by

46:28 Speaker 1: for profit interests in the military industrial complex back in

46:31 Speaker 1: the day.

46:32 Speaker 5: Absolutely, and it's you know, I like I even in

46:37 Speaker 5: my intro, I have that you know, Eyesenhower kind of

46:39 Speaker 5: telling us about the military industrial complex. A lot of

46:42 Speaker 5: people in the EU folk community think that, you know, Eisenhower,

46:46 Speaker 5: that that presidential uh, that that time frame is kind

46:53 Speaker 5: of where the cover up really rooted itself, like like

46:59 Speaker 5: it solidified what it needed to do and deployed measures

47:06 Speaker 5: that would keep it secret until you know, I mean

47:09 Speaker 5: we're talking still to this day, so I mean in

47:13 Speaker 5: your experience, you're saying that maybe that wasn't true.

47:22 Speaker 1: I don't know when it happened. It wouldn't be the

47:25 Speaker 1: first time that the US government was tricked because people

47:29 Speaker 1: don't understand how free market and private interests work. It

47:32 Speaker 1: wouldn't be the first time, but it's definitely one of

47:36 Speaker 1: those times. And I'm only going based off what Eisenhower said.

47:41 Speaker 1: He took responsibility, so he must have made some decisions

47:45 Speaker 1: with naively made decisions that further empowered the military industrial complex,

47:52 Speaker 1: and then he took when he took notice, that's why

47:54 Speaker 1: he informed the American public. But I don't think that's

47:56 Speaker 1: where it started.

47:58 Speaker 5: Okay, okay, okay, So back on track, Back on track.

48:03 Speaker 5: I like to jump around clearly too much. So you're

48:08 Speaker 5: working in intelligence, you or I'm sorry, all soorts analysts,

48:15 Speaker 5: and what what leads us to you blowing the whistle?

48:25 Speaker 5: Let's go through. Let's start going through those events and

48:29 Speaker 5: the timeline. Try to keep it sequential. So maybe let's

48:34 Speaker 5: start with the earliest thing that happened and bringing up

48:37 Speaker 5: to modern day.

48:39 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I actually wasn't really thinking of blowing the whistle.

48:44 Speaker 1: I didn't originally I didn't see anything wrong with what

48:47 Speaker 1: I had seen when I was deployed. In fact, you know,

48:50 Speaker 1: I was an E four at the time, I was

48:52 Speaker 1: junior enlisted, and there was a lot I didn't know

48:55 Speaker 1: about the culture, military culture, active duty. It was basically

48:59 Speaker 1: my first time active duty in an operational capacity because

49:04 Speaker 1: I was in the Air Force or from the Air

49:06 Speaker 1: Force Reserve. So I actually wasn't even thinking about blowing

49:11 Speaker 1: the whistle about it. Just the pieces or the connections

49:16 Speaker 1: I made with information gaps, and some of those ethical

49:20 Speaker 1: questions in government and in the military national security converged

49:26 Speaker 1: and came together in the moment that I was in

49:29 Speaker 1: Sean Raine podcast xpace on Matt Leibelsberger, the cyber truck whistleblower,

49:35 Speaker 1: Because when I was in that space, I was anxious

49:38 Speaker 1: about Matt Leibelsburger, and I was anxious operating from the

49:42 Speaker 1: information we had at the time because he's a whistleblower,

49:46 Speaker 1: and he was a whistleblower we know there's a lot

49:49 Speaker 1: at stake for that, and then the stakes are heightened

49:53 Speaker 1: with the fact that a green beret doing what he

49:57 Speaker 1: did and leveraging his skills in tradecraft to do what

50:01 Speaker 1: he did, just we were operating the level of uncertainty.

50:06 Speaker 1: But given what he had done, I said, I can't

50:10 Speaker 1: sit here and watch you guys try to, you know,

50:14 Speaker 1: make each other feel better about the UAP nexus, because

50:18 Speaker 1: Shoemate was already like, I don't want to touch you apiece. Yeah,

50:22 Speaker 1: He's like, I don't want to touch you aps like

50:24 Speaker 1: this this shit is weird, it's fringe, and that wasn't

50:29 Speaker 1: important at the time. That was not important. The UEP

50:32 Speaker 1: thing did not matter and that whole email. What really

50:35 Speaker 1: mattered was he taking that email. You know, now it's

50:39 Speaker 1: up for debate whether he did send the email. I

50:41 Speaker 1: think he did.

50:42 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I think the consent I think he

50:44 Speaker 5: did is that he did. So I haven't disagreed.

50:49 Speaker 1: Now that's perfect, And yes, the most important thing was

50:53 Speaker 1: that he blew the whistle on something he participated in

50:59 Speaker 1: regarding some allegations against CIA DEA D o D operations

51:05 Speaker 1: in Afghanistan. And it's a very serious allegation. And so

51:14 Speaker 1: what you know, they're they're just looking at that and

51:17 Speaker 1: then looking at what has happened to whistleblowers him putting

51:21 Speaker 1: in there that he worked on unacknowledged special access program,

51:24 Speaker 1: all of this information. Right, this is a Green Beret

51:28 Speaker 1: that we've invested a lot of money, and not everyone

51:30 Speaker 1: can make it past the train, go through the training

51:32 Speaker 1: of a Green Beret, right, and then spend their whole

51:36 Speaker 1: lifetime and then survived as a Green Beret. Right was

51:40 Speaker 1: about to retire, about to retire and then be able

51:43 Speaker 1: to move on to the next step of his journey.

51:46 Speaker 1: And he felt that this was this needed to be conveyed,

51:49 Speaker 1: that he needed to give this information. That was that

51:54 Speaker 1: just something I just said, you know what, the UAP thing,

51:58 Speaker 1: I can at least like corroborate from an intelligence standpoint

52:02 Speaker 1: that not the information flow has stop gaps. There are

52:05 Speaker 1: chot points in information flow. That was going back to

52:09 Speaker 1: the Blue and Blue and the CIA Lee's on coming

52:11 Speaker 1: out to tell me don't report it, and and then

52:14 Speaker 1: also talking about ueps, there were ups all up in

52:18 Speaker 1: the Middle East. We have video footage, we weren't reporting it.

52:22 Speaker 1: Another choke point. Not nefarious, and I'm also not saying

52:25 Speaker 1: the CIA le's on some nefarious, but the fact is

52:28 Speaker 1: that it's not a blockchain, right. The information is not

52:32 Speaker 1: making it to all of the places it needs to go.

52:34 Speaker 1: And so I said, you know, this can corroborate that

52:37 Speaker 1: this guy's not crazy about u AP. UAP is not

52:41 Speaker 1: even the important thing. But boom, that's gone information flow

52:45 Speaker 1: stop gap boom. Well that would explain why people don't

52:48 Speaker 1: have information on God only knows what kind of activities

52:51 Speaker 1: are going on in Afghanistan. I had, you know, when

52:54 Speaker 1: I blew the whistle, I actually was really scared because

52:57 Speaker 1: we hear what happens to whistleblowers, and because I was scared,

53:02 Speaker 1: and I'm nobody, and I didn't work on black programs,

53:04 Speaker 1: but I live on Fort Bragg, North Carolina, and I

53:06 Speaker 1: made that clear just in case, right, I said, you

53:08 Speaker 1: know what, let to open source my location because of

53:12 Speaker 1: the patterns we were starting to see. But here Matt

53:15 Speaker 1: Lavelsberger blowing the whistle in such a way. Sean Ryan

53:18 Speaker 1: put a post out, he put a xpos saying, I'm

53:21 Speaker 1: disappearing in my family and now I'm sitting here like great,

53:25 Speaker 1: now I'm the next piece of the puzzle. So and

53:27 Speaker 1: people were telling me that they were they were securing

53:29 Speaker 1: poppy fields, they were standing outside of people's houses, intimidating

53:34 Speaker 1: them so that the person would do something so that

53:37 Speaker 1: they can kill them. This is all entrapment, by the way,

53:40 Speaker 1: And I'm getting more scared because now I've become like,

53:43 Speaker 1: I like there's a force of gravity where all of

53:46 Speaker 1: this these allegations and information are coming out, and I'm like,

53:50 Speaker 1: you know, it was kind of like an oh shit

53:51 Speaker 1: moment because I'm on some list and I don't know

53:53 Speaker 1: who's listened. Hopefully it's like not you know, nefarious for

53:56 Speaker 1: profit corporate shadow corporations who are exploited all of this

54:00 Speaker 1: like Big Pharma and god knows who else, right, But like,

54:03 Speaker 1: hopefully it's just on the regular national secure list and

54:07 Speaker 1: this will go later. I'll let you talk. But the

54:10 Speaker 1: next day I decided to summon the US National Security

54:14 Speaker 1: Apparatus to at least make sure that I was on

54:16 Speaker 1: their list, because I didn't know what playing field I

54:18 Speaker 1: was operating on anymore. People are still debating UAPs, and

54:22 Speaker 1: I said, we're past that, man, Like, there are allegations

54:24 Speaker 1: of crimes against humanity in Afghanistan and I'm not you know,

54:27 Speaker 1: I'm not risking it so.

54:30 Speaker 5: Right, and you know, with the this is people may forget.

54:36 Speaker 5: But one thing that happened. It was a while ago,

54:42 Speaker 5: but when we first invaded Afghanistan after nine to eleven,

54:49 Speaker 5: and of all people, Moraldo Rivera did a show and

54:56 Speaker 5: showed that Marines were guarding poppy field and you know,

55:01 Speaker 5: he's asking why, why are you doing that? And the

55:04 Speaker 5: response from you know, the military is well, we're guarding

55:08 Speaker 5: the poppy so that it doesn't get into the hands

55:11 Speaker 5: of the bad guys. Oh so you're watering it for them,

55:16 Speaker 5: you're keeping it up before what then.

55:20 Speaker 1: For the good guys who are going to smuggle poppy

55:23 Speaker 1: into the United States using the Defense Department of Defense

55:28 Speaker 1: so that they can fund black black ops and whatever

55:31 Speaker 1: activities that didn't get approved with congressional budget.

55:34 Speaker 5: Right, those good guys. Daniel in a way, senator from

55:38 Speaker 5: Hawaii made that speech at the u n you know,

55:41 Speaker 5: he basically called it out, saying and he was one

55:45 Speaker 5: of the people that Harry Reid went to, you know,

55:48 Speaker 5: out of the Gang of eight at the time, and

55:52 Speaker 5: put the twenty two million aside for US APP the

55:55 Speaker 5: all I mean I advanced god I as app and

56:02 Speaker 5: ate what later became a tip. There's so many goddamn acronyms,

56:06 Speaker 5: but the what also have Advanced Weapons Systems Applications program

56:13 Speaker 5: and you know Bigelow won the bid and and kind

56:16 Speaker 5: of fell apart I think in its in its nature

56:19 Speaker 5: and what it did. But apparently you know, that's where

56:22 Speaker 5: Ala Zondo comes from and all these guys. But then

56:26 Speaker 5: in a way made a speech talking about the deep state,

56:30 Speaker 5: essentially saying that they you know, they have their own army,

56:33 Speaker 5: their own navy, their own fundraising mechanisms where they operate

56:37 Speaker 5: you know, without oversight, without accountability, and they do not

56:43 Speaker 5: have or play by our laws. Uh, and this is

56:47 Speaker 5: super dangerous.

56:48 Speaker 4: Uh.

56:49 Speaker 5: And we've we've kind of garnered this culture since nine

56:55 Speaker 5: eleven that security outweighs these the like we gave up

57:04 Speaker 5: our freedoms to a degree after nine to eleven, and

57:06 Speaker 5: we did it willingly because we were, like, we need

57:09 Speaker 5: to be safe. And you know, once we give those away,

57:13 Speaker 5: it's not like they're going to hand them back over hand,

57:15 Speaker 5: over the back of the power. So I want to

57:19 Speaker 5: I want to hear more about these blue on blue moments.

57:24 Speaker 5: When you when you say a blue on blue, can

57:27 Speaker 5: you tell the audience what you mean by that?

57:32 Speaker 1: A blue on blue is a friendly fire incident and

57:35 Speaker 1: it's not uncommon. So if you are familiar with Jocko

57:39 Speaker 1: Willing and his book and what he talks about in

57:41 Speaker 1: his podcast, Extreme Ownership is his book, he was he

57:47 Speaker 1: was in charge of a team that was involved in

57:49 Speaker 1: a blue and blue incident. And so it could be

57:53 Speaker 1: that US forces have two teams operating in an area

57:56 Speaker 1: and they didn't deconflict, so they mistook each other as

58:00 Speaker 1: the adversary. Things like that. It can mean a variety

58:04 Speaker 1: of things, and I don't have all the details of it.

58:08 Speaker 1: I do have the details of where the repository and

58:10 Speaker 1: where the information is so that I can provide it

58:13 Speaker 1: to someone in uh who is who has a need

58:16 Speaker 1: to know, like Congressman Temperchett. I'm still coordinating with his

58:22 Speaker 1: office to figure out when to I'll.

58:23 Speaker 5: Get you speak to him. Yeah, I'll get you. I'll

58:27 Speaker 5: get you through, and uh so some other ones as well.

58:31 Speaker 1: Because yeah, because awesome. I appreciate it because uh like

58:36 Speaker 1: for it's it is sensitive information, right because I have

58:39 Speaker 1: details of like area assets, things like that. And so

58:45 Speaker 1: I didn't know this, but Stephen Greer, doctor Stephen Greer,

58:47 Speaker 1: he was he you know, gave me information and he

58:50 Speaker 1: consulted with me or advised me that I can speak

58:53 Speaker 1: to any congressman face to face, and face to face,

58:58 Speaker 1: I could speak to a congressman and provide them information

59:01 Speaker 1: that pertains the national security. He said that. And so

59:05 Speaker 1: I would even have to be careful providing details to

59:08 Speaker 1: staffers because they might not necessarily have a need to know,

59:11 Speaker 1: and uh, it also puts them in a precarious situation.

59:15 Speaker 1: And so I would speak to him, I have to

59:16 Speaker 1: speak to him face to face, or speak to any

59:18 Speaker 1: congressman face to face about that.

59:21 Speaker 5: Well, we can help with that. But so I'm sorry.

59:25 Speaker 5: Did you say that you spoke with Stephen Ger?

59:28 Speaker 1: I did?

59:29 Speaker 5: When was this.

59:32 Speaker 1: So? His uh, his assistant reached out to me through

59:35 Speaker 1: his ex profile about like two days after it was

59:39 Speaker 1: It was a day before I summoned the Secret Service

59:41 Speaker 1: with a few of my ex posts. Uh. I mean

59:45 Speaker 1: I was scared, not not doctor Stephen Ger didn't scare me. No.

59:49 Speaker 1: I didn't ask him how he I asked him how

59:51 Speaker 1: he's still alive given the work that he's doing. Yeah,

59:55 Speaker 1: he's He's awesome. And he gave me the information about

59:59 Speaker 1: how to blow the whistle how I mean, how to

1:00:01 Speaker 1: give you know, who, to give the details to, uh,

1:00:04 Speaker 1: to avoid any national security risks that that might include,

1:00:08 Speaker 1: as well as to avoid you know, breaching security protocols.

1:00:12 Speaker 1: And he told he told me you can speak directly

1:00:15 Speaker 1: to a congress person about that information. And obviously, because

1:00:18 Speaker 1: it is sensitive information, it's classified. I would do that

1:00:22 Speaker 1: face of pace, So I'd go wherever they are to

1:00:24 Speaker 1: give them the information they need.

1:00:27 Speaker 5: Interesting, and you know a lot of people were talking

1:00:30 Speaker 5: about Stephen Greer, you know, for a multitude of different

1:00:33 Speaker 5: reasons lately, not not just because of the green Bray situation.

1:00:39 Speaker 5: But I do want to kind of dig into that.

1:00:43 Speaker 5: Do you think that they reach out to you, one

1:00:47 Speaker 5: because of who you are and obviously what you're saying,

1:00:51 Speaker 5: but two because of his potential connection with Levelsburger because apparently,

1:00:59 Speaker 5: I mean, this is it. I don't know how true

1:01:01 Speaker 5: this is again, but apparently he was among the group

1:01:06 Speaker 5: of green Berets that we're talking to Greer and and

1:01:10 Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know if that's one hundred percent accurate,

1:01:14 Speaker 5: but maybe I don't know if you have any more

1:01:16 Speaker 5: information on that that can.

1:01:18 Speaker 1: Help they his what he was saying was taken out

1:01:24 Speaker 1: of context. It was taken and then people ran with

1:01:28 Speaker 1: it that Matt Leibelsberger was one of his whistleblowers. He

1:01:31 Speaker 1: wasn't one of his whistleblowers. He doesn't know if Matt Leavelsburger.

1:01:35 Speaker 1: It was just that what he was blowing the whistle

1:01:37 Speaker 1: on is in connection with things that doctor Stephen Greer

1:01:42 Speaker 1: was having his people come out to blow the whistle on.

1:01:44 Speaker 1: It's not that Matt Liivelsberger personally was.

1:01:47 Speaker 5: Okay, okay, that makes that makes more sense. And because

1:01:51 Speaker 5: I think people really do and you'll see with the

1:01:54 Speaker 5: longer that you're a part of this community that often

1:02:00 Speaker 5: Greer is not necessarily someone everyone loves. And there's a

1:02:04 Speaker 5: multitude of reasons for that. Is it is it valid?

1:02:08 Speaker 5: Is it is it warranted? I don't know. I don't know. Maybe,

1:02:13 Speaker 5: but people like to in this community, they choose the side.

1:02:19 Speaker 5: It's factionalism at its best. You're either for this person

1:02:24 Speaker 5: or against this where there's no middle. I stay in

1:02:27 Speaker 5: the middle because I made my own middle. But you know,

1:02:31 Speaker 5: people love to to misquote Greer and and say, you know,

1:02:35 Speaker 5: these really terrible things about him. I think he's honestly

1:02:38 Speaker 5: a genuine person and and I don't think that he is.

1:02:44 Speaker 5: I think he's someone that is on the side of disclosure.

1:02:47 Speaker 5: And and you know, I don't think there should be

1:02:50 Speaker 5: any like choosing like, oh, you either follow Elizondo or

1:02:54 Speaker 5: you follow Greer. It's one or the other. And that's

1:02:56 Speaker 5: like that That's been a very core problem in the

1:03:00 Speaker 5: UFO field the community is that it's it's this game

1:03:05 Speaker 5: that that you have to pick a side, and and

1:03:08 Speaker 5: it's been happening for forever, and it's it's keeping us

1:03:13 Speaker 5: from advancing the situation. You know, the divide and conquer, uh,

1:03:20 Speaker 5: and that that's the tactic that's been used against the

1:03:22 Speaker 5: UFO community, it seems, and it's working.

1:03:27 Speaker 1: Yeah. And I'm not too familiar with the details of

1:03:31 Speaker 1: the tension or the factions, but I actually I have

1:03:35 Speaker 1: contact with both. I mean not we don't talk of

1:03:37 Speaker 1: and they're busy, but I have contact with both Lou

1:03:40 Speaker 1: Alizondo and doctor Stephen Greer. And people are like, it's

1:03:48 Speaker 1: not a side. I like them both.

1:03:49 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, again, yeah, they both have their their qualities

1:03:54 Speaker 5: and and it's just reminiscent of and this is like

1:03:58 Speaker 5: more just philosophical philosophically speaking, I think, you know, in

1:04:02 Speaker 5: the UFO community, what a real challenge, a real hurdle

1:04:06 Speaker 5: that we have is that it's it's like the story

1:04:11 Speaker 5: of the Tower of Babble, right, humankind or humans. We

1:04:16 Speaker 5: reach the top, we're struck down and we're divided by language, borders,

1:04:22 Speaker 5: you know, nationalism, down to the color of our skin

1:04:25 Speaker 5: and the language we speak.

1:04:27 Speaker 1: We we like to.

1:04:30 Speaker 5: Section people, right, It's it's and I think that at

1:04:35 Speaker 5: its core is what is keeping us from achieving anything

1:04:40 Speaker 5: that we want. Because I think a united human race,

1:04:43 Speaker 5: like a literal united human race. There's nothing we couldn't achieve.

1:04:48 Speaker 5: There's nothing that we couldn't do if we all were

1:04:52 Speaker 5: working together. But you know, unfortunately that's not the case.

1:04:56 Speaker 5: And you know, the reality is what the reality is.

1:05:03 Speaker 5: So I want to talk about some more of your

1:05:12 Speaker 5: own experiences, like your own personal experiences. So maybe we

1:05:18 Speaker 5: can get into that now if you if you wouldn't

1:05:22 Speaker 5: mind obviously sharing.

1:05:25 Speaker 1: Sure home. So I get back from Qatar, right, and yes,

1:05:32 Speaker 1: I've had anomalous experiences, but I didn't put the pieces

1:05:35 Speaker 1: together from my early childhood and even from tech school

1:05:38 Speaker 1: when I saw UAPs or bizarre anomalists aircraft or something

1:05:45 Speaker 1: you know, in in the sky, I didn't put all

1:05:48 Speaker 1: the pieces together really, Like my first confrontation with anything

1:05:53 Speaker 1: of the phenomenon was through my processing of mission reports

1:05:56 Speaker 1: at in Qatar. But even then, right, I was in

1:06:00 Speaker 1: until May twenty one I got back. I had an

1:06:04 Speaker 1: internship with Special Operations at DIA for a bit, and

1:06:08 Speaker 1: so I was focused on national security. I really didn't

1:06:10 Speaker 1: care about the UFO thing anymore. Like I was done.

1:06:13 Speaker 1: I was mainly focused on the US China, being a

1:06:17 Speaker 1: China focused intelligence analyst, having spent time in China, when

1:06:20 Speaker 1: I was younger. It was an issue that was personal

1:06:23 Speaker 1: to me, so doing mainly really focused on learning more

1:06:30 Speaker 1: about my on my own about China. And then I

1:06:33 Speaker 1: started my first semester at Georgetown University School of Foreign

1:06:37 Speaker 1: Service with my Master of Science of Foreign Service, And

1:06:41 Speaker 1: it was in Georgetown where I was going to take

1:06:44 Speaker 1: a step back from an operational capacity so that I

1:06:47 Speaker 1: could really deep, deep dive into the root cause of issues. Really,

1:06:51 Speaker 1: I'm buying time to really dive into things and also

1:06:55 Speaker 1: advance myself intellectually so that I was better prepared to

1:07:00 Speaker 1: enter back into the national security or foreign policy space. Anyway.

1:07:05 Speaker 1: Finished my internship start at Georgetown at the end of August,

1:07:10 Speaker 1: and then in September of twenty twenty one, I start

1:07:13 Speaker 1: to have a variety of a series of realizations about

1:07:19 Speaker 1: human nature, you know, tribalism, history, things like that. I'm

1:07:27 Speaker 1: taking core courses at the time, so I'm taking a

1:07:29 Speaker 1: history of globalization course which goes really all the way

1:07:33 Speaker 1: back to like the Silk Roads, and then it goes

1:07:37 Speaker 1: a little bit forward into when European became a global power.

1:07:41 Speaker 1: And for some reason, I'm having like rapid fire realizations

1:07:46 Speaker 1: back to back to back, and really it's starting to

1:07:50 Speaker 1: destabilize me mentally because it was just like a lot

1:07:53 Speaker 1: of truths that were just revealing themselves. And I remember

1:07:59 Speaker 1: Freedom Papers. Freedom Papers was one of the pivotal books

1:08:04 Speaker 1: for me. Freedom Papers follows a family I forgot their

1:08:09 Speaker 1: last name, but a family they trace their lineage all

1:08:13 Speaker 1: the way from when they were taken as slaves from Africa.

1:08:16 Speaker 1: And what happens to this particular family is that they

1:08:20 Speaker 1: intermarry interracial marriage. And so obviously the last not the

1:08:27 Speaker 1: last one. I don't know. I think maybe they still

1:08:29 Speaker 1: have family, tingent family. The last girl it was like

1:08:32 Speaker 1: in the maybe fifties, I can't remember. It was in

1:08:35 Speaker 1: the twentieth century. She looked and this is what goes

1:08:40 Speaker 1: down boils down to also my understanding of identity politics

1:08:44 Speaker 1: as it impacts everything going on today. But she was

1:08:49 Speaker 1: white passing and she didn't look black, and she basically

1:08:54 Speaker 1: was targeted about for something that happened, and she was mad.

1:09:02 Speaker 1: She was mad because there was racism back in the day.

1:09:06 Speaker 1: She was pissed and she was basically I don't know

1:09:09 Speaker 1: if she was suing or something. I can't quote the

1:09:11 Speaker 1: book directly. Really what this realization of her identifying is

1:09:15 Speaker 1: black but looking very white, and then people being confused,

1:09:20 Speaker 1: like white people being confused that she identified as black

1:09:23 Speaker 1: because they didn't know she was black. Was kind of

1:09:26 Speaker 1: like the ultimate realization of a series of things for

1:09:32 Speaker 1: me personally, because a lot of people don't know I'm

1:09:35 Speaker 1: part Asian and I don't look Asian at all. But

1:09:38 Speaker 1: I've had a really interesting time of being criticized for

1:09:45 Speaker 1: trying to like Asian pass or something. I don't know.

1:09:50 Speaker 1: This happened to me before, and this is why identity

1:09:53 Speaker 1: and like tribalism and all these things are really weird.

1:09:56 Speaker 1: But what happened with the Freedom Paper's book is that

1:10:00 Speaker 1: it was like a mirror and I was seeing how

1:10:02 Speaker 1: nuanced and complex and ethnic groups identity and it was

1:10:07 Speaker 1: like I pierced through something I don't know, but anyway.

1:10:10 Speaker 5: It brought you to a state where because I I've

1:10:15 Speaker 5: kind of gone through something similar, and like, cause you

1:10:17 Speaker 5: said it earlier, like you start thinking like am I

1:10:20 Speaker 5: losing my mind? Like am I crazy? What's happening to me?

1:10:24 Speaker 5: But I think it's just like that those it's that

1:10:27 Speaker 5: notion being broke, it's your reality is breaking, Like what

1:10:33 Speaker 5: you previously thought, because there's a time before and a

1:10:36 Speaker 5: time after, right, And I don't know, it just becomes

1:10:41 Speaker 5: a little bit more clear and easy to talk about

1:10:43 Speaker 5: and to talk in reference to. But it sounds like

1:10:47 Speaker 5: you're going through that while doing this.

1:10:50 Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know, when we look at from like

1:10:54 Speaker 1: categories or like from category theory standpoint, it's like, what

1:11:00 Speaker 1: does my attention to her identity or perceived identity have

1:11:05 Speaker 1: anything to do with foreign policy or national security? And

1:11:10 Speaker 1: so this is where my everything starts to break down

1:11:13 Speaker 1: for me. And then suddenly I had this urge to

1:11:15 Speaker 1: look up consciousness. I have these like feelings of imminent

1:11:21 Speaker 1: nuclear war. It was just like suddenly things started to

1:11:27 Speaker 1: converge for me. And then and then this is what

1:11:29 Speaker 1: happened as I'm having these realizations and my mind is

1:11:32 Speaker 1: breaking from reality and I'm aware of that, is I

1:11:36 Speaker 1: asked myself the question. It's kind of funny in hindsight,

1:11:39 Speaker 1: but I started to recall the UAPs in Middle East

1:11:44 Speaker 1: because you reached a point where you're like, I feel

1:11:46 Speaker 1: like these are histories repeating with human beings. And then

1:11:51 Speaker 1: I started remembering what happened, what I saw in the

1:11:55 Speaker 1: Middle East, and then I remembered Tom DeLong and they

1:11:58 Speaker 1: said they were around nuclear facility and it was the

1:12:01 Speaker 1: first time, first time I asked myself. I said, I'm

1:12:05 Speaker 1: surprised we haven't killed each other, like there must be extraterrestrials.

1:12:09 Speaker 1: I genuinely considered it, and I kind of raised my eyebrow,

1:12:14 Speaker 1: and that's where it all.

1:12:15 Speaker 5: All started, kind of floods back or floods too.

1:12:20 Speaker 1: It was like the second I asked that question, is

1:12:23 Speaker 1: like you ask, you shall receive. Yeah, oh yeah, I did.

1:12:25 Speaker 1: And that's where I lost my I was like, I'm

1:12:27 Speaker 1: losing my goddamn mind because where things were happen, I've

1:12:30 Speaker 1: talked about them before. And then I was I'm like,

1:12:34 Speaker 1: I clearly am needing mental health help right, like I'm consciousness,

1:12:39 Speaker 1: I'm all of a sudden, I'm way you know, I'm

1:12:41 Speaker 1: in the esoteric right now, right, I'm not doing my studies,

1:12:44 Speaker 1: natural security, foreign policy, you know I'm in.

1:12:48 Speaker 5: You can't forgets on it. It's like something's pulling you

1:12:52 Speaker 5: a different way, and you're like, I I want to

1:12:56 Speaker 5: just do what I want to do and be normal

1:12:58 Speaker 5: or be do my normal thing, but something's pulling me

1:13:02 Speaker 5: this other way.

1:13:03 Speaker 1: Yes, and and well that was my conscience because I'm like,

1:13:08 Speaker 1: I can't. I'm clearly sick, so I'm going to go

1:13:12 Speaker 1: get help instead of trying to you know, I need

1:13:16 Speaker 1: to make sure I'm healthy before I even go further

1:13:18 Speaker 1: with all of this, especially because my mind is breaking.

1:13:20 Speaker 1: I'm having realizations and there are sound realizations that still

1:13:23 Speaker 1: stand to this day. It was just the consciousness and aliens.

1:13:28 Speaker 1: That was where I said, Okay, I need to go

1:13:30 Speaker 1: get help. And that was the day I spoke about

1:13:33 Speaker 1: this on the on Amy Baker's Good Morning UFO. Hello Amy, Yes,

1:13:37 Speaker 1: and I was driving to Georgetown. I'm like, I'm going

1:13:41 Speaker 1: to go get mental health help, and that's where I

1:13:44 Speaker 1: saw US government vehicles and then I felt this urgency

1:13:48 Speaker 1: to follow them because I also simultaneously know I'm crazy.

1:13:52 Speaker 1: I feel crazy, recognize it. But I'm also like, well,

1:13:57 Speaker 1: they're going to have nuclear war and I have to

1:13:58 Speaker 1: tell them. Although I had no evidence for it, I

1:14:02 Speaker 1: just felt like I had to warn them. And so

1:14:05 Speaker 1: when I'm weighing everything, I said, well, if I go

1:14:08 Speaker 1: tell them about nuclear war and I'm crazy, then at

1:14:12 Speaker 1: least I told them about the warning that I feel.

1:14:15 Speaker 1: And then I also can you know and then and

1:14:17 Speaker 1: then we can all agree I'm crazy and that I

1:14:19 Speaker 1: at least I get it off my chest. That was

1:14:21 Speaker 1: the feeling, right, I'm like, my priorities are still I

1:14:25 Speaker 1: want to make sure I get this information. I felt

1:14:27 Speaker 1: like it was that important.

1:14:29 Speaker 5: Well, imminent nuclear war.

1:14:33 Speaker 1: I was. It was like it was like I was

1:14:35 Speaker 1: breaking from time and space. My this is a symptom

1:14:40 Speaker 1: of psychosis, right, like your spatial temprole like I'm becoming

1:14:46 Speaker 1: like disconnected. This is so I'm I'm actually it's like

1:14:50 Speaker 1: time is is accelerating right at this So I'm it's

1:14:57 Speaker 1: imminent feeling, meaning like that imminent fighter fl feeling. However,

1:15:02 Speaker 1: it's not like, oh, it's about to happen tomorrow. It

1:15:05 Speaker 1: was just like once you have a realization you connect

1:15:08 Speaker 1: the dots, don't you have to go and give that

1:15:10 Speaker 1: information to someone where you're like, aha, this I figured

1:15:12 Speaker 1: it out. Let me go get that to someone better

1:15:16 Speaker 1: now than never? Right now or never? Uh that's kind

1:15:19 Speaker 1: of the Uh Okay, so that's that I was operating from.

1:15:24 Speaker 5: Okay, So so that's that's that's interesting. I would say,

1:15:30 Speaker 5: did you, I mean, did you go get checked out cognitively,

1:15:34 Speaker 5: m hm.

1:15:35 Speaker 1: I have had many Oh so uh okay, So when

1:15:41 Speaker 1: I went to the hospital, that's where I had uh

1:15:47 Speaker 1: someone from the US government. I don't know who. I

1:15:50 Speaker 1: can only presume it's from one of these programs who

1:15:57 Speaker 1: basically said like like it for me, that it was

1:15:59 Speaker 1: ET contact. And I didn't trust them because frankly, they've

1:16:02 Speaker 1: done a lot of things that make them untrustworthy, like

1:16:04 Speaker 1: I'm k Ultra, like the fact that they even knew

1:16:07 Speaker 1: I was having ET contact, Like how do you know

1:16:09 Speaker 1: you had to be spying on me? You had to

1:16:12 Speaker 1: be looking at my Google search history, like how did

1:16:14 Speaker 1: you bring me uh to this location? Right? And so

1:16:20 Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, you guys are are you know? You

1:16:22 Speaker 1: guys are doing what Snowden said you guys do. So

1:16:25 Speaker 1: obviously I'm still thinking that it's plausible that the US

1:16:30 Speaker 1: government has tried to make me into an mk ultra

1:16:34 Speaker 1: sleeper cell or something. Uh. But once once I was

1:16:37 Speaker 1: shoved out of the government. Uh by my experiences and

1:16:41 Speaker 1: my realizations, Uh, my clearance is definitely under investigation. And

1:16:46 Speaker 1: now I'm on some FISA watch lists because what I

1:16:48 Speaker 1: said on my posts, which I'm like, I'm no use

1:16:52 Speaker 1: to the government, so I'm no use to them. So no,

1:16:55 Speaker 1: I'm not a I'm k ultra sleeper cell because well,

1:16:58 Speaker 1: first of all, what they're doing, there's I would I'm

1:17:02 Speaker 1: not participating in they're in. They're they're in mass psychosis.

1:17:06 Speaker 1: So there's no way in how I participate and be

1:17:08 Speaker 1: like yeah, so I'm me up for some sleeper cell thing.

1:17:11 Speaker 1: They are lost, they are like in I don't know

1:17:14 Speaker 1: where they are. They're in Wonderland.

1:17:17 Speaker 5: Well, they're in their own reality, is what it is.

1:17:20 Speaker 5: They operate in a like it's metaphorical different world that

1:17:27 Speaker 5: that's it. So okay, So I'm I'm a little I

1:17:34 Speaker 5: kinda maybe I miss something here. So during your when

1:17:41 Speaker 5: you're when you're doing the mission reports stuff, right, and

1:17:44 Speaker 5: you're you're filing the mission reports. But and then between

1:17:48 Speaker 5: that and then this where it kind of sounds like

1:17:52 Speaker 5: this might be a Richard Doty kind of situation. Right.

1:17:55 Speaker 5: I don't know if you know what the name Richard

1:17:58 Speaker 5: Dody is, but he worked for Air Force Office of

1:18:02 Speaker 5: Special Investigations, and you know they were tasked to uh well,

1:18:12 Speaker 5: Dody was tasked because this guy Jaw Benowitz, Paul Benowitz

1:18:16 Speaker 5: had had basically tapped into the classified whatever and you know,

1:18:24 Speaker 5: had picked up some information and DOTY was sent out

1:18:29 Speaker 5: and basically their idea was, Okay, we're gonna like tell

1:18:34 Speaker 5: this guy he's talking to aliens and he found proof

1:18:38 Speaker 5: of aliens, and we're gonna let him believe that because

1:18:41 Speaker 5: you know, we want to hide what he really saw

1:18:43 Speaker 5: is some sort of you know, unacknowledged special access program.

1:18:48 Speaker 5: Maybe I don't you know, there's do you think there's

1:18:53 Speaker 5: a possibility that something similar is happening to you? Or

1:18:59 Speaker 5: is it is did I miss something?

1:19:03 Speaker 1: There's a possibility that a program to throw me off

1:19:09 Speaker 1: course because they want to hide a black program. There's

1:19:13 Speaker 1: a that's plausible. I'm not even going to put it

1:19:16 Speaker 1: past them because the bottom line is, and I could

1:19:20 Speaker 1: sit here and provide you a lot of evidence and

1:19:22 Speaker 1: proof that the US government is they're getting raggaled by China,

1:19:29 Speaker 1: ragaled because they don't understand. So I was really and

1:19:33 Speaker 1: I am a good analyst. I understand like the whole

1:19:36 Speaker 1: picture when it comes to US China and how private

1:19:40 Speaker 1: sector organizations can be exploited, going back to like non

1:19:46 Speaker 1: government organizations, academia, which factors which vulnerabilities within society that

1:19:52 Speaker 1: China is leveraging. Not just China, frankly, it's all adversaries.

1:19:57 Speaker 1: It's really a program for play in the United States

1:20:00 Speaker 1: at this point, Like if you are able to get in,

1:20:03 Speaker 1: we'll get them while they're young. So kids in school

1:20:06 Speaker 1: or in college, right who are impressionable and naive and

1:20:09 Speaker 1: grew up in a system and don't understand how the

1:20:11 Speaker 1: real world works. You just implant some kind of idea

1:20:14 Speaker 1: and then you can exploit that in the future through branding, ESG, DEI, anything,

1:20:22 Speaker 1: and so you can. Really it's like neurolinguistic programming too.

1:20:26 Speaker 1: But yeah, like I mean, China was is doing this.

1:20:31 Speaker 1: They know our gen z better than the US government does,

1:20:34 Speaker 1: because if the US government knew anything, they would have

1:20:37 Speaker 1: never beenn TikTok in the first place. And then I

1:20:41 Speaker 1: heard people say we should put like an anti propaganda

1:20:44 Speaker 1: film before they open TikTok. I'm like, okay, nineteen eighty four, okay, big.

1:20:49 Speaker 5: Brother, right, good lord.

1:20:51 Speaker 1: I'm like I'm my guys, like, who's what become China

1:20:55 Speaker 1: to fight China?

1:20:56 Speaker 5: Like, I mean, yeah, live, so you're either hero. You

1:21:00 Speaker 5: either die a hero or you live long enough to

1:21:03 Speaker 5: see yourself become the villain, right exactly.

1:21:06 Speaker 1: So yeah, sorry, go ahead.

1:21:11 Speaker 5: So, so it seems like, you know, we're almost in

1:21:13 Speaker 5: that kind of situation where like, you know, where we've

1:21:17 Speaker 5: been the hero, you know, World War One, World War two,

1:21:22 Speaker 5: even after that through the Cold War, you know, there's

1:21:24 Speaker 5: a very big sense of patriotism and nationalism and especially

1:21:28 Speaker 5: in the United States, but things kind of take a

1:21:31 Speaker 5: turn and you know, once once we're you know, getting

1:21:35 Speaker 5: to the Vietnam time of Vietnam era, people are really like, dude,

1:21:41 Speaker 5: this is bullshit, Like we have no reason to be

1:21:44 Speaker 5: doing what we're doing, and we have no reason to

1:21:48 Speaker 5: want to do this, Like it's barbaric, it's it's it's inhumane.

1:21:54 Speaker 5: But it seems like this for profit industry exists where

1:21:59 Speaker 5: you know, war war is a racket literally and it's

1:22:02 Speaker 5: literally a racket, and it's it's a money making, you

1:22:06 Speaker 5: know operation at the end of the day, and people

1:22:09 Speaker 5: think it's gone away because there's no like breakout war,

1:22:13 Speaker 5: well just all through proxy wars now and you know,

1:22:18 Speaker 5: it's it's we're living in an era and think about this,

1:22:22 Speaker 5: and I'm going to get your take as an analyst,

1:22:25 Speaker 5: how the fuck are we living in a world where

1:22:28 Speaker 5: the only thing that's keeping us having this conversation is

1:22:32 Speaker 5: mutually assured destruction? It's mad? Literally, How is that I

1:22:39 Speaker 5: won't kill you because we don't want to end the world?

1:22:44 Speaker 1: This is well, I like instead of getting to that, well,

1:22:49 Speaker 1: if we really want to kill certain people, I mean traffickers, right,

1:22:54 Speaker 1: like people who are predator psychopaths. Yeah, let's take it

1:23:00 Speaker 1: on head on. I'm all about m a D for

1:23:02 Speaker 1: them specifically, but for all of us, I'm like, I'm

1:23:05 Speaker 1: not sure, you know. M AD is really just like

1:23:10 Speaker 1: you have to really pay attention to where you are,

1:23:13 Speaker 1: what your environment, what game you're playing, right, if you

1:23:17 Speaker 1: don't want to die, that's what me AD does. Us

1:23:20 Speaker 1: and China are not on it. They don't have to

1:23:24 Speaker 1: be on a path of m a D. That m

1:23:27 Speaker 1: a D, that zero sum mentality is forged by their environments,

1:23:32 Speaker 1: by China's history with the West, with colonialism. You know,

1:23:38 Speaker 1: history informs that, and also the system that we grow

1:23:41 Speaker 1: up in and the things we believe in. It's not

1:23:44 Speaker 1: a mutually a sure destruction situation. However, there's news that

1:23:47 Speaker 1: China is building underground bunkers in like a hardcore C

1:23:52 Speaker 1: two node, which is like command and control node for

1:23:55 Speaker 1: their whole military underground in Beijing.

1:24:00 Speaker 5: An mountain for instance, like continuity of government kind of thing.

1:24:04 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, and so that's not a good sign that

1:24:06 Speaker 1: they're it's they're looking at what's going on right now

1:24:09 Speaker 1: from what the US government looked at Russia from or

1:24:13 Speaker 1: Soviet Union through the Cold War lens of like m A. D.

1:24:17 Speaker 5: Good point.

1:24:19 Speaker 1: Yeah, and so that's that's interesting.

1:24:21 Speaker 5: Well, so I got to cut you off there. I'm

1:24:25 Speaker 5: sorry if I'm interrupting, but you know, part of the thing,

1:24:30 Speaker 5: part of what really really flagged me with this, with

1:24:34 Speaker 5: your story and and and your post. So you posted

1:24:38 Speaker 5: when this whole little Livelsburger thing was going on, you

1:24:42 Speaker 5: put sorry, that's the email you put this up. And

1:24:47 Speaker 5: so this was the tweet, right or what do you

1:24:51 Speaker 5: call it now, an x an X A tweet, I

1:24:53 Speaker 5: don't a post. I don't know what it is. But

1:24:56 Speaker 5: uh so this is your your words here, right, and

1:25:02 Speaker 5: I want to go to and I just want to

1:25:04 Speaker 5: show people that you know that that you you kind

1:25:07 Speaker 5: of blew the whistle that day, and that's because of

1:25:10 Speaker 5: this and and what was going on with Sean Ryan. Now,

1:25:14 Speaker 5: something that's spoken about in this email, which I feel

1:25:17 Speaker 5: like is more significant than than what people are or

1:25:23 Speaker 5: at least it's more significant in demand's attention, is that

1:25:28 Speaker 5: there's this because David Grusse alluded to this kind of

1:25:31 Speaker 5: like secret cold war going on between countries to reverse

1:25:35 Speaker 5: engineer craft of unknown origin or non human intelligence. And

1:25:41 Speaker 5: when they were doing that show where they're talking about

1:25:44 Speaker 5: this email, they didn't know what us A USAP was.

1:25:51 Speaker 5: And I was screaming at the thing I was messaging.

1:25:55 Speaker 5: Sean's his his manager. I don't know what you want

1:26:00 Speaker 5: to call it, but Libelsburger is saying that he worked

1:26:05 Speaker 5: alongside the U A, the Task Force and had a

1:26:10 Speaker 5: top secret UH compartment T T whatever, the secret clearance.

1:26:15 Speaker 5: I can never say the letters correctly, and and had

1:26:19 Speaker 5: the you U A, p U SAP access so you

1:26:24 Speaker 5: specialize in China. Is the is this cold war? Is?

1:26:30 Speaker 5: Do you think that that's actually going on something with

1:26:33 Speaker 5: reverse engineering and anti gravitic technology.

1:26:40 Speaker 1: Honestly, even what's happening happening with our two countries right

1:26:43 Speaker 1: now is also arguably a cold war. Like the Black

1:26:48 Speaker 1: programs don't change that fact. And yes, so Uh, if

1:26:54 Speaker 1: you look at a little bit of our history with

1:26:56 Speaker 1: Operation paper Clip and the Nazis, you know JPL and

1:27:00 Speaker 1: all that stuff, or I forgot whatever his name was, whoever,

1:27:05 Speaker 1: like American scientists were consulting with there you go. Uh.

1:27:11 Speaker 1: Chang Shui Sen was a Chinese rocket scientist. He was

1:27:15 Speaker 1: a genius, and he worked and he consulted and he

1:27:20 Speaker 1: was involved in those programs. Something happened with McCarthyism around

1:27:24 Speaker 1: that time period and our government just kicked him out,

1:27:30 Speaker 1: which is really it's unbelievable, frankly, because they had someone

1:27:34 Speaker 1: who worked on high level programs from China and they

1:27:38 Speaker 1: put him back in China because of communism. So he helped

1:27:41 Speaker 1: the Chinese Communist Party the PRC developed their rocket force

1:27:48 Speaker 1: which was and also their nuclear program. And he was

1:27:53 Speaker 1: very interested in what he coined or termed the somatic sciences,

1:27:57 Speaker 1: which is basically SI. He was interest sit in psychic

1:28:01 Speaker 1: and psaonic capabilities of human beings.

1:28:04 Speaker 5: Well, isn't that an interesting connection as well? So so

1:28:11 Speaker 5: I guess I guess what Livelsburger talks about. Did you

1:28:20 Speaker 5: see any did you see anything that could confirm that

1:28:24 Speaker 5: there is some sort of Cold War about specifically specifically

1:28:31 Speaker 5: about reverse engineering you know, non human intelligence craft or

1:28:38 Speaker 5: you know, whatever they are, because I don't even know

1:28:40 Speaker 5: if the craft is the right word for them.

1:28:45 Speaker 1: Yeah, so from any normal person or I'm not trying

1:28:49 Speaker 1: to say I'm not normal, but like any person who's

1:28:51 Speaker 1: looking at the email from mainstream who is not working

1:28:55 Speaker 1: in the US China issue didn't have any hy contact

1:28:58 Speaker 1: things like that. It looks like it's very chaotic, right,

1:29:03 Speaker 1: I don't personally know if he worked on up U SAT. Frankly,

1:29:06 Speaker 1: if I had something serious report and I felt like

1:29:09 Speaker 1: I had to get their attention so I could report something,

1:29:13 Speaker 1: I would say it. I would be like, yeah, let

1:29:14 Speaker 1: me let me throw that in the end, right, because

1:29:19 Speaker 1: I spoke to some people and they said that they

1:29:21 Speaker 1: didn't find him. Some people from like the up tause

1:29:24 Speaker 1: force and stuff. They said they didn't find Matt Lavelisberger's

1:29:26 Speaker 1: name in any of the usap UAP databases or whatever,

1:29:31 Speaker 1: you know, And that could even if he was he

1:29:32 Speaker 1: could have been deleted. Who knows, Like, who knows what

1:29:35 Speaker 1: was going on? All? Really? What I see in an email,

1:29:39 Speaker 1: they really kind of converge the same kind of convergence

1:29:43 Speaker 1: that I had, which I actually can speak to the

1:29:45 Speaker 1: China issue. You know, some of the stuff was arguably wrong, right,

1:29:52 Speaker 1: It wasn't exactly correct that we have Chinese drones. There

1:29:57 Speaker 1: were new Jersey. I mean, it depends, right what could

1:29:59 Speaker 1: be free for all point?

1:30:01 Speaker 5: Do you think that there was something going on with that?

1:30:06 Speaker 1: So there was one drone that I saw that had

1:30:08 Speaker 1: very Chinese characteristics and Chinese characteristics in like the way

1:30:12 Speaker 1: that China like manufactures its own. However, we can also

1:30:18 Speaker 1: have things that are called false flags, so or maybe

1:30:22 Speaker 1: not even not even intentional. It also could be that

1:30:25 Speaker 1: we procured Chinese drone and we're flying it. Like it

1:30:29 Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily mean it was China. It's actually it's kind

1:30:33 Speaker 1: of sad, but it's kind of funny if like imagine

1:30:36 Speaker 1: if it was US and China just operating just like

1:30:39 Speaker 1: the spy balloon that we saw, like maybe you know

1:30:43 Speaker 1: then and then the question is why, like why is

1:30:45 Speaker 1: that happening?

1:30:45 Speaker 5: Right?

1:30:46 Speaker 1: Like why if we have to just look at things

1:30:49 Speaker 1: rationally but also appreciate that we don't have the evidence

1:30:53 Speaker 1: or proof for any of it. But if I'm seeing

1:30:55 Speaker 1: a drone that has Chinese characteristics, and then i see

1:30:59 Speaker 1: the Chief of Homeland Security being Majorcas at the time

1:31:02 Speaker 1: from the Biding administration going on CNN saying that we

1:31:06 Speaker 1: need to expand the national security budget. And then at

1:31:09 Speaker 1: the same time you have the National Defense Authorization Act

1:31:12 Speaker 1: being passed or forced through by Congress, which was like stacked. Remember,

1:31:19 Speaker 1: like that was ridiculous.

1:31:21 Speaker 5: Literally the biggest stack of paper I've ever seen on

1:31:25 Speaker 5: a Because Nancy Mace like put out a picture and

1:31:30 Speaker 5: I had like just met with her a couple of

1:31:32 Speaker 5: days before it and she put it out. It's just

1:31:36 Speaker 5: like it's so big, Like, how can you you need

1:31:39 Speaker 5: two hundred staffers to get through that in the time

1:31:42 Speaker 5: that they a wanted. It's just it's absolutely ridiculous.

1:31:47 Speaker 1: It's on purpose, it's money laundering. And then if you

1:31:50 Speaker 1: go into the if you go into it, there's a

1:31:52 Speaker 1: lot of fluff. It's if it's not specific, well no

1:31:57 Speaker 1: wonder why the deity failed. It's like if they're not

1:32:02 Speaker 1: being specific. There was one part which I actually pulled

1:32:05 Speaker 1: up the actual the whole NDAA, you can find it online.

1:32:10 Speaker 1: I pulled up the original one that was really long,

1:32:12 Speaker 1: and one part had something that wanted to allocate budget

1:32:16 Speaker 1: for quote energetic.

1:32:18 Speaker 5: Materials, energetic materials.

1:32:23 Speaker 1: It's not specific, it's not specific. How do you have

1:32:26 Speaker 1: oversight over something like that if it's not specific? Because

1:32:29 Speaker 1: what's energetic? I'm energetic when I after coffee in the morning, Like,

1:32:37 Speaker 1: what is energetic materials? Guys, how are you auditing that?

1:32:43 Speaker 5: Do you think that could also be a tool? And

1:32:45 Speaker 5: I'm saying this, you know, legitimate, right, but you know,

1:32:50 Speaker 5: for the same reason they changed UFO to UAP, right,

1:32:55 Speaker 5: And they did that and Hillary Clinton accidentally told people

1:32:58 Speaker 5: on Jimmy Kimmel and that's how it got out. But

1:33:01 Speaker 5: they did that so that when people would foil stuff

1:33:04 Speaker 5: for and use UFO, they could be like, well, we don't,

1:33:08 Speaker 5: we don't have that because they're called UAP now, So

1:33:11 Speaker 5: like they play this acronym game where they, you know,

1:33:13 Speaker 5: change words so that they it's like legal loopholes. Do

1:33:18 Speaker 5: you think that could be why or at least part

1:33:22 Speaker 5: of why they use really unclear terms like energetic materials,

1:33:27 Speaker 5: which could be you after a Starbucks coffee?

1:33:31 Speaker 1: Yes?

1:33:32 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, So it's because and this is another thing

1:33:37 Speaker 5: that I've always been interested in, is there seems to

1:33:41 Speaker 5: be again we talked about this off air and during

1:33:46 Speaker 5: disconnection to our nuclear arsenal, our nuclear capabilities, nuclear energy,

1:33:53 Speaker 5: not just nuclear weapons, but nuclear just in general. Obviously,

1:33:58 Speaker 5: you know there's a correlation in data. Uh, going back

1:34:03 Speaker 5: to the creation of the you know, the nuclear weapon

1:34:06 Speaker 5: and the Trinity test site that UAP incidents, you know,

1:34:09 Speaker 5: exponentially grew uh in and around areas where UHE nuclear

1:34:14 Speaker 5: technology was or was going to be. Weirdly enough, m

1:34:22 Speaker 5: what do you think is going on there? Are they

1:34:24 Speaker 5: monitoring us or you know, because as an analyst, you're

1:34:29 Speaker 5: trained to kind of like you said, you're an all

1:34:32 Speaker 5: soorts of analysts, you see a big picture. When when

1:34:35 Speaker 5: you're looking at this topic and you see the correlation

1:34:37 Speaker 5: between the nuclear stuff and U A P. What is

1:34:41 Speaker 5: your analysis of that?

1:34:49 Speaker 1: Mhm. I can only myself, Uh, I can only go

1:34:55 Speaker 1: based off myself and my realizations working in national secure curity.

1:35:00 Speaker 1: And you know why I had contact, and unless other

1:35:07 Speaker 1: people are having contact and then coming to similar or

1:35:13 Speaker 1: even just coming to similar realizations, what I learned or

1:35:19 Speaker 1: what I started to pay attention to after I had contact,

1:35:22 Speaker 1: is that if yes, we have oversight, because we don't

1:35:30 Speaker 1: have the people don't have oversight over human affairs something

1:35:34 Speaker 1: else has oversight over human affairs and understands human behavior

1:35:39 Speaker 1: and how certain people work in their self interest, and

1:35:42 Speaker 1: they can justify things.

1:35:45 Speaker 5: Right.

1:35:45 Speaker 1: The world's not clear cut good and evil. There's also

1:35:48 Speaker 1: a spectrum. It was great for most of it, and

1:35:52 Speaker 1: that if we all speak to each other and don't

1:35:58 Speaker 1: really feed into tribalism, but more feed into trying to

1:36:04 Speaker 1: understand and relate to people, especially people we don't agree

1:36:06 Speaker 1: with or don't see things eye to eye with, we

1:36:10 Speaker 1: can actually start to see or put ourselves in people's

1:36:14 Speaker 1: shoes and realize, okay, well we can work backwards. Where

1:36:17 Speaker 1: can we build consensus? And really, this is where the

1:36:20 Speaker 1: whole idea of the free market comes from. Capitalism wasn't

1:36:26 Speaker 1: invented by Europe. Capitalism coined what was already happening with

1:36:32 Speaker 1: human transactional behavior and then formalized an institution for it.

1:36:38 Speaker 1: That's what capitalism did. So why am I bringing that up? Well,

1:36:42 Speaker 1: people from different places who spoke different languages were able

1:36:46 Speaker 1: to come together and engage in a positive sum. Well,

1:36:51 Speaker 1: you know, arguably it depends transactions where they could barter

1:36:56 Speaker 1: for something that they want and exchange value in that way,

1:37:00 Speaker 1: and that just shows in itself that there really is

1:37:05 Speaker 1: no reason at an individual level to escalate things like that, right, Like,

1:37:10 Speaker 1: we're not sitting here as individuals saying that I'm going

1:37:13 Speaker 1: to kill you because I don't agree with you, or

1:37:20 Speaker 1: you know, we usually kill each other if you're threatening

1:37:23 Speaker 1: my life and I have to defend myself or you're

1:37:27 Speaker 1: doing something that makes me have to kill you, right,

1:37:30 Speaker 1: But you're putting me in a position where killing you

1:37:33 Speaker 1: is not like I have a like a table of options,

1:37:36 Speaker 1: and then I have all these options. I'm not going

1:37:40 Speaker 1: to jump and just kill you, like if I have

1:37:42 Speaker 1: all these options, right, And I'm not saying in an

1:37:45 Speaker 1: escalated situation just in general, like we're negotiating, right, all

1:37:51 Speaker 1: these options. Okay, Really it's all or nothing when you

1:37:54 Speaker 1: have to get to a position of killing someone and

1:37:57 Speaker 1: like that, if that doesn't make sense, right, it doesn't

1:38:02 Speaker 1: make sense for to get that far. It's really misunderstanding

1:38:09 Speaker 1: and people not seeing things outside of their myopic point

1:38:13 Speaker 1: of view that would lead us into nuclear war with China.

1:38:16 Speaker 1: I actually speak to people one on one who are

1:38:20 Speaker 1: They call themselves antiperialists. They call Taiwan Taiwan Province, which

1:38:27 Speaker 1: by its in and of itself tells you this person

1:38:30 Speaker 1: supports one China policy that Taiwan is not a country.

1:38:34 Speaker 5: Right, so that it's still a part of the country China.

1:38:39 Speaker 5: They're calling it like.

1:38:42 Speaker 1: Okay, you're just able to see from the language that

1:38:46 Speaker 1: they use where they're coming from. And there are many

1:38:51 Speaker 1: points of agreement on different issues that don't really touch this,

1:38:57 Speaker 1: but indirectly in a way touch on the China town

1:39:01 Speaker 1: issue where I you know, if I worked at National

1:39:04 Speaker 1: Security still, i'd probably be put on I'm already on

1:39:07 Speaker 1: some list somewhere, but I probably be put on a

1:39:09 Speaker 1: list just for talking to someone who supports Taiwan being

1:39:13 Speaker 1: part of China, right, And well, that's that's a problem

1:39:17 Speaker 1: because then we're not speaking to each other. You have

1:39:20 Speaker 1: Nancy Pelosi going to Taiwan intentionally ruffling China's feathers, driving

1:39:25 Speaker 1: up stock prices for Raytheon. By the way, there's like

1:39:28 Speaker 1: a whole social media apparatus following Nancy Pelosi's doc trades

1:39:32 Speaker 1: or insider trading. Wait, look, she's a criminal, like do

1:39:39 Speaker 1: you like I said? The first thing we can do,

1:39:44 Speaker 1: really and I swear this is all we have to

1:39:47 Speaker 1: do is start to recognize the corruption and the the

1:39:54 Speaker 1: cancer from within and start to identify it and that

1:39:57 Speaker 1: that self awareness, right the not this moral posturing to

1:40:01 Speaker 1: the world while we have god only knows what's going

1:40:04 Speaker 1: on around the world, people having American passports doing shit

1:40:08 Speaker 1: that they should be doing, and then getting our government involved,

1:40:12 Speaker 1: having them signed deals, right, having the government help broker

1:40:15 Speaker 1: things that are not in the best interest of world

1:40:17 Speaker 1: peace or in human rights. The first thing we could

1:40:21 Speaker 1: do is start to identify all of that and put

1:40:24 Speaker 1: an end to it right now. Put an end to

1:40:26 Speaker 1: it right now. Yeah, I s I swaar. You're going

1:40:29 Speaker 1: to start. That's all you have to do. If someone

1:40:33 Speaker 1: has like a gun up there, like we're gonna have

1:40:34 Speaker 1: to kill the United States, they're going to lower it

1:40:36 Speaker 1: a little bit. Just seeing that there's an inkling of

1:40:39 Speaker 1: self awareness from our government in our country.

1:40:43 Speaker 5: I agree. I think I think we've been I think

1:40:47 Speaker 5: we've been king of the block too long and it's

1:40:49 Speaker 5: gotten to our head a little bit. And I'm not

1:40:52 Speaker 5: saying that, you know, we need to be knocked down.

1:40:55 Speaker 5: I'm saying that we just need to be checked. And

1:41:00 Speaker 5: I think, honestly, I think some sort of you know,

1:41:06 Speaker 5: disclosure event a forced disclosure. I'm not talking about like

1:41:11 Speaker 5: the President consun says, you know, my fellow Americans, we're

1:41:15 Speaker 5: not alone. I'm talking about like craft shows up over

1:41:18 Speaker 5: the White House, but also over you know, the KGB headquarters,

1:41:22 Speaker 5: also over Jijiping's had household mansion, whatever he's got going on,

1:41:29 Speaker 5: you know, over you know, over the globe, an unannounced visit,

1:41:35 Speaker 5: if you will. But I wonder if that would not

1:41:38 Speaker 5: be a catalyst for the old or really the only

1:41:44 Speaker 5: way that the world would unite or could unite, is

1:41:49 Speaker 5: if we were because and what I like about the

1:41:52 Speaker 5: UFO topic, this is kind of kind of weird, not weird,

1:41:55 Speaker 5: but you'll see what I mean. What I like about

1:41:58 Speaker 5: talking about UFOs and non human intelligence and and stuff.

1:42:03 Speaker 5: It's obviously, yes, it's awesome to explore the idea. It's fun, right,

1:42:09 Speaker 5: I want to believe you know that that kind of stuff,

1:42:13 Speaker 5: it's it's all there. But when we start talking about

1:42:16 Speaker 5: non human intelligence and our place in the cosmos, what

1:42:20 Speaker 5: it does is it transcends nationalism, racism, sexism, genderism. You know,

1:42:27 Speaker 5: I think I just use that twice, but it brings

1:42:31 Speaker 5: us all to like an equal level playing field because

1:42:33 Speaker 5: we're all humans or of Earth at that point, right

1:42:38 Speaker 5: when we start talking about non human intelligence, well, you know, collectively,

1:42:42 Speaker 5: we're the human intelligence. It doesn't it doesn't discriminate, if

1:42:48 Speaker 5: that makes sense. So I fear that that's one of

1:42:53 Speaker 5: the only you know, reagans that it to the un

1:42:56 Speaker 5: is you know, I what is it going to take,

1:42:59 Speaker 5: you know, a threat from beyond to bring us all together?

1:43:03 Speaker 5: And I fear that that may be the only thing

1:43:05 Speaker 5: that good.

1:43:09 Speaker 1: Well, we have a threat that comes from within human society.

1:43:12 Speaker 1: We have predators, we have people who are doing things

1:43:15 Speaker 1: that are not good. I think that becoming what we are,

1:43:19 Speaker 1: we're starting to see there is consciousness is accelerating. We're

1:43:26 Speaker 1: heightening our conscious awareness. And let me give you an

1:43:30 Speaker 1: example what we see with the hearings with Congress and

1:43:33 Speaker 1: what we would win or what we would call the

1:43:35 Speaker 1: old Guard. They're still playing by the game that they

1:43:39 Speaker 1: grew up in, but we're seeing what they're doing is

1:43:43 Speaker 1: they're working on behalf of themselves and their self interests

1:43:47 Speaker 1: at the expense of what is true and what is right.

1:43:51 Speaker 1: See how even Bernie Sanders, who was still held in

1:43:55 Speaker 1: high esteem by a lot of people, especially anti establishment

1:43:58 Speaker 1: gen Z who don't like Trump and Bernie and RFK

1:44:03 Speaker 1: Junior is the epitome of what Bernie Sanders says he

1:44:05 Speaker 1: stands for. And then the way that he went after him.

1:44:11 Speaker 1: If you really stood for what you stood for, you

1:44:15 Speaker 1: would not be going after rf K Junior in the

1:44:17 Speaker 1: manner with which you went after him, because has character,

1:44:23 Speaker 1: he is character, and it's it's it's evident that it's

1:44:28 Speaker 1: self evident that he stands for what he truly stands for.

1:44:31 Speaker 1: And then they try to get him on racism because

1:44:33 Speaker 1: he said, we have to look at different things with

1:44:37 Speaker 1: you know, genetics and like also race, race, race and

1:44:40 Speaker 1: genetic that all plays a role because we all have

1:44:44 Speaker 1: genetic lines and this goes back to Hablo groups of

1:44:47 Speaker 1: like where maternal lines come from. This is not racist

1:44:51 Speaker 1: you're making. It's actually it's awesome. It's awesome and it

1:44:56 Speaker 1: helps science. Right if we all were like the Grays,

1:44:59 Speaker 1: we all's like And I'm not trying I like I

1:45:01 Speaker 1: I personally, you know, my contact with a particular group

1:45:05 Speaker 1: of grace.

1:45:06 Speaker 5: And I would like to get into that in a moment,

1:45:09 Speaker 5: by the way, So.

1:45:11 Speaker 1: So I'm not I'm not like trying to like say

1:45:13 Speaker 1: anything about like, you know, it's not negative, but I mean,

1:45:16 Speaker 1: I'm just saying that we have biodiversity on earth and

1:45:21 Speaker 1: when you like, it's awesome and we need to pay

1:45:24 Speaker 1: attention to it. And they couldn't. Though. The point was

1:45:28 Speaker 1: a woman couldn't get I forgot her name. She couldn't

1:45:30 Speaker 1: get RFK Junior on racism because it's so clear that

1:45:34 Speaker 1: he's not racist, so she called him dangerous instead.

1:45:39 Speaker 5: Yeah. They it's just I mean, it's absurd. It's it

1:45:43 Speaker 5: really is. It's all of it, all the political uh stuff.

1:45:48 Speaker 5: It's just it's so laughable at this point. And I

1:45:53 Speaker 5: I like the geriatrics need to need to I mean,

1:45:59 Speaker 5: we didn't we didn't slow down and keep the you

1:46:05 Speaker 5: know we I hate to say we didn't slow down

1:46:09 Speaker 5: and keep the horse and buggy companies alive because you

1:46:14 Speaker 5: know that's tradition. No, we changed and we we we

1:46:19 Speaker 5: went into the automobile industry, right we we adapted and

1:46:23 Speaker 5: we overcame and we moved forward collectively and and right

1:46:31 Speaker 5: now it's very it's like it's it's like we can't

1:46:33 Speaker 5: get we can't do that anymore. It's it's because everyone

1:46:38 Speaker 5: wants to be the victim. Everyone wants to m hmm, yeah.

1:46:42 Speaker 5: Everyone just wants to play the blame game and poor

1:46:45 Speaker 5: me and poor this and that, and you know, I'm

1:46:49 Speaker 5: not successful because of everybody else and the keeping me down.

1:46:55 Speaker 5: It's getting a little old and I'm tired of it.

1:46:58 Speaker 1: It's dangerous to have it external locus of control, as

1:47:01 Speaker 1: if you don't have control or agency from within. And

1:47:05 Speaker 1: we won't we don't have to go into it too much.

1:47:07 Speaker 1: But I actually have a well, this is what has

1:47:10 Speaker 1: to happen. The way that going back to how we're

1:47:13 Speaker 1: taught history and America is always the hero. There was

1:47:16 Speaker 1: a lot of bad stuff happening at home there, you

1:47:19 Speaker 1: know what racism, segregation, uh women, you know, we were

1:47:24 Speaker 1: still we were. There was a lot the way that

1:47:28 Speaker 1: black and Jewish veterans were treated in in minority groups.

1:47:33 Speaker 1: In the military during World War Two. It was like

1:47:38 Speaker 1: like you you're fighting your enemy next to you, fighting

1:47:42 Speaker 1: next to you against the enemy, and then you're fighting

1:47:44 Speaker 1: the external enemy. And there is some problem that I

1:47:48 Speaker 1: see that's keeping people divided on the right and left.

1:47:52 Speaker 1: And it's the fact that you know, the one thing,

1:47:54 Speaker 1: the thing that the left got right in the schools,

1:47:58 Speaker 1: but that the rest of the world missed. And this

1:48:01 Speaker 1: is where we're starting to see this reactionary cycle occur,

1:48:04 Speaker 1: is that they were teaching the truth of like the

1:48:07 Speaker 1: depravity of human history within the United States. At the

1:48:10 Speaker 1: United States. Is not this like white night throughout history

1:48:13 Speaker 1: that we were taught at a young age when we

1:48:15 Speaker 1: would watch like World War two and things like that,

1:48:18 Speaker 1: that it's it's you know, it's as dark as human

1:48:22 Speaker 1: nature gets dark. And so there was a course correction happening.

1:48:27 Speaker 1: And this tends to happen within like the social sciences

1:48:30 Speaker 1: of course correction, so they'll like try to teach lessons

1:48:34 Speaker 1: from and teach human history, teach like the horrors. The

1:48:37 Speaker 1: problem that we're seeing is that they're also trying to

1:48:39 Speaker 1: create the solutions. And to be honest, they wouldn't be

1:48:45 Speaker 1: manufacturing new social constructs to organize society because their assumptions

1:48:51 Speaker 1: are predicated on a like a like a half truth,

1:48:56 Speaker 1: a partial truth of the whole situation. And so you

1:49:00 Speaker 1: see like critical race theory, you see like de I

1:49:03 Speaker 1: see all of these things trying to course correct, but

1:49:05 Speaker 1: you can't manufacture it, especially if you've been groomed through

1:49:08 Speaker 1: a system and you only have a myopic lens of

1:49:12 Speaker 1: the whole of human condition, the constitution, the free market.

1:49:21 Speaker 1: The constitution and the free market are our paramount to

1:49:26 Speaker 1: making way for the emergent property of well truth of

1:49:30 Speaker 1: people have people not being co opted by power, but

1:49:33 Speaker 1: the emergent property of a decentralized hierarchy.

1:49:40 Speaker 5: Okay, okay.

1:49:43 Speaker 1: Elon Musk presents an example of that. I mean, Elon

1:49:47 Speaker 1: Musk just saved our election pretty much like saved our

1:49:51 Speaker 1: election arguably.

1:49:53 Speaker 5: Yeah, I would I I I you know, people love

1:49:57 Speaker 5: to hate that guy. Now, I always I've always just

1:50:00 Speaker 5: liked him. There's something about him that's just I don't know,

1:50:04 Speaker 5: say what you want about the guy. He's entertaining any Yeah.

1:50:08 Speaker 1: He's a little difficult. I think he's he's he's a

1:50:12 Speaker 1: little bit, you know, he has his things. And I'm

1:50:15 Speaker 1: only saying that assuming that Adrian Dittman is him. He

1:50:19 Speaker 1: because he can be a little bit. But you can't

1:50:23 Speaker 1: expect it. You know. People hold people to like a

1:50:25 Speaker 1: Jesus Jesus level or a God level people at the

1:50:31 Speaker 1: end of the day. And I could see from certain angles,

1:50:35 Speaker 1: just like with myself, because I'm not I'm not I'm

1:50:39 Speaker 1: not God. I'm not. I can't. You Like, if you're

1:50:42 Speaker 1: holding people to a high pedestal, they're gonna get destroyed. Uh,

1:50:47 Speaker 1: They're not gonna meet that and that and that's a

1:50:49 Speaker 1: good thing because we need something higher than the highest

1:50:53 Speaker 1: good and we can't even define it because well we

1:50:56 Speaker 1: have to. We have to have something to climb towards.

1:50:59 Speaker 1: I believe that, And I got that a little bit

1:51:01 Speaker 1: of that from Jordan Peterson.

1:51:03 Speaker 5: A great a great, great part. Oh my god. Okay,

1:51:09 Speaker 5: So you you had mentioned the grays earlier, and so

1:51:14 Speaker 5: how did they play a role in your in your story.

1:51:16 Speaker 5: I mean, We've talked about this a little bit, but

1:51:20 Speaker 5: I'd like to hear I'd like to hear it all

1:51:23 Speaker 5: of it start wherever it needs to be.

1:51:31 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I kind of put all of it away.

1:51:37 Speaker 1: But going back to when I had my first adult

1:51:41 Speaker 1: conscious contact or his first conscious contact that I can remember.

1:51:45 Speaker 1: This was following twenty twenty one, I just inherently no,

1:51:52 Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, I know there are many

1:51:54 Speaker 1: different kinds of etis or nhi, but I saw the grays.

1:52:01 Speaker 5: Like now and we're talking. I just want to make

1:52:04 Speaker 5: this abundant. We're talking. You say you saw them your

1:52:10 Speaker 5: own eyes physically, like you're awaking conscious body or your

1:52:17 Speaker 5: conscious awake self. You're saying you're you saw them. Mm hmm, okay,

1:52:23 Speaker 5: thank you, all right, continue.

1:52:25 Speaker 1: Yeah, I woke up. I woke up, and I saw

1:52:27 Speaker 1: them around my bed. And this was a couple of

1:52:29 Speaker 1: months after I was notified of contact. And actually these

1:52:34 Speaker 1: guys looked a little different than the Grays that I

1:52:37 Speaker 1: personally know, the grades that I look like, taller.

1:52:40 Speaker 5: A little bit, okay, So okay, the ones I.

1:52:43 Speaker 1: Saw were small, so they were new for me. The

1:52:47 Speaker 1: grades from my younger from my childhood were are tall.

1:52:49 Speaker 1: They're the ones that are still with me are.

1:52:51 Speaker 5: Tall, okay. And so I just want to make this

1:52:54 Speaker 5: distinction because there are there are the war or the

1:52:59 Speaker 5: history lore, if you want to call it, that does

1:53:02 Speaker 5: describe that there is like such thing as like that.

1:53:05 Speaker 5: They call it the tall Grays, and then like the

1:53:07 Speaker 5: smaller ones are you know whatever, they're just the grades,

1:53:11 Speaker 5: But are you? It's are you? Because when we're small,

1:53:16 Speaker 5: like I've gone back and I've gone to my elementary

1:53:19 Speaker 5: school and what seemed very large to me when I

1:53:22 Speaker 5: was a kid now seems super small and tiny. So

1:53:27 Speaker 5: you're not You're Are you making a distinction that you

1:53:31 Speaker 5: know for a fact they were different in height or

1:53:34 Speaker 5: is it just maybe perception it could it be? Or

1:53:38 Speaker 5: were these things definitely different? One was tall, one was small.

1:53:42 Speaker 1: That's a really good question. And I thought about it. Uh,

1:53:45 Speaker 1: it could be the relativity aspect of it that when

1:53:48 Speaker 1: I was younger, of course everything was tall, like three

1:53:51 Speaker 1: you know, five feet was tall. I would have been

1:53:53 Speaker 1: tall in my eyes back then, and I'm small. And

1:53:56 Speaker 1: then when I saw them when I was, uh, you know,

1:54:00 Speaker 1: in fall of twenty twenty one, and I'm still kind

1:54:01 Speaker 1: of sure, but like they look small like I remember

1:54:05 Speaker 1: them taller, And that could be the case.

1:54:08 Speaker 5: Oh all right, maybe that, you know, maybe it's a

1:54:11 Speaker 5: mute point, but okay, So so set the scene for

1:54:15 Speaker 5: me and bring me back there with you. When it happens,

1:54:20 Speaker 5: you're in your bed. Oh that got weird really quick.

1:54:25 Speaker 5: So you're in your bed. Bring I want to say,

1:54:30 Speaker 5: bring me back there, but that sounds weird, but like

1:54:34 Speaker 5: I want to be there with you, So set the

1:54:38 Speaker 5: scene that.

1:54:39 Speaker 1: Okay, So I'm sleeping in bed. I woke up and

1:54:46 Speaker 1: I see I see like a light right, Like it's

1:54:49 Speaker 1: like a I just see it looks like I'm like,

1:54:53 Speaker 1: I feel like I'm on like an operation table, but

1:54:55 Speaker 1: I'm in bed. I know I'm in bed. I see

1:54:57 Speaker 1: a light like over it, and then I see like

1:55:01 Speaker 1: four of them over here, and I know that there's more,

1:55:06 Speaker 1: but I see just like four right here, and then

1:55:08 Speaker 1: I'm scared. So I try to like cover my eyes

1:55:12 Speaker 1: and it looks like they're at the end of my

1:55:13 Speaker 1: bed right, So I'm looking up and I'm scared. I'm

1:55:17 Speaker 1: laughing because I might have made some noise like oh,

1:55:20 Speaker 1: like you know, like I'm just like really like like.

1:55:23 Speaker 5: You're like, oh god, I thank god nobody heard that.

1:55:26 Speaker 1: Yeah. Like I'm like I'm like no, no, no, don't

1:55:29 Speaker 1: do it, like it's like sounds like I'm like whatever.

1:55:32 Speaker 1: I'm like no, no, no, and I'm like no please,

1:55:35 Speaker 1: I'm like no. So I try to bring my hands

1:55:37 Speaker 1: up and then I couldn't move my hands. I was paralyzed.

1:55:40 Speaker 1: So I'm paralyzed, and I uh, it felt like I

1:55:45 Speaker 1: had phantom limb, right, because phantom limb is when you

1:55:49 Speaker 1: lose a limb and you still feel like you have

1:55:51 Speaker 1: sensations of itching or so you feel like you still

1:55:54 Speaker 1: have it. I felt like I had phantom limb, but

1:55:57 Speaker 1: it was like I obviously I have all my limbs,

1:56:00 Speaker 1: just couldn't move them. But my it feels like my

1:56:03 Speaker 1: hands are able to cover my eyes, so I feel

1:56:05 Speaker 1: the sensation and the old Just that comfort of feeling

1:56:09 Speaker 1: like I can cover my eyes was like it didn't

1:56:12 Speaker 1: bother me about the paralysis aspect. And then boom, as

1:56:17 Speaker 1: I closed it. Once I closed my eyes, a black

1:56:19 Speaker 1: and white literally similar to what you had in the

1:56:22 Speaker 1: beginning at the trailer or the intro, a black and

1:56:26 Speaker 1: white mushroom cloud like dropping a test bomb, a nuclear bomb.

1:56:31 Speaker 1: And then that mushroom cloud came into my uh, just

1:56:36 Speaker 1: the vision popped in my head and my eyes were closed,

1:56:38 Speaker 1: so we popped up in my mind. And then they

1:56:40 Speaker 1: physically hurt me, like they started to electrocute me. It

1:56:43 Speaker 1: felt like I was gonna die. Like it was utter pain.

1:56:46 Speaker 1: So simultaneously nuclear imagery and then physical pain and compitying

1:56:54 Speaker 1: it or or separate simultaneously.

1:56:59 Speaker 5: What the fuck all right?

1:57:02 Speaker 1: Like I felt like I was being punished and punished

1:57:05 Speaker 1: for maybe uh, nuclear war, Like I don't know, that

1:57:09 Speaker 1: was the first thought that my mind.

1:57:11 Speaker 5: Yeah, like the ultimate haptic feedback right where it's like

1:57:14 Speaker 5: we're gonna show you, but we're also going to make

1:57:16 Speaker 5: you feel it. Okay, that's got to be terrifying. And okay,

1:57:24 Speaker 5: there there because there there are these common themes that

1:57:28 Speaker 5: we tend to see. And it's again this telepathic connection

1:57:32 Speaker 5: and then this it's it's a it's almost like a

1:57:35 Speaker 5: warning of technology and and and it comes in various forms,

1:57:41 Speaker 5: but so that you're seeing and you're obviously you know,

1:57:46 Speaker 5: up to speed, and you're your your your job, and

1:57:51 Speaker 5: you're what you do. You see a mushroom cloud and

1:57:55 Speaker 5: you are like, this is this is what I know

1:57:58 Speaker 5: what it is like, I know this, this is this

1:58:00 Speaker 5: is a nuclear weapon going off.

1:58:04 Speaker 1: Yeah. And but for me when they flashed the mushroom cloud,

1:58:10 Speaker 1: the physical pain was painful, but my concern I was

1:58:16 Speaker 1: like how do I stop it? Like okay, like because

1:58:20 Speaker 1: I felt responsible. I don't know I felt responsible for that.

1:58:23 Speaker 1: Maybe they wanted me to feel responsible, but I was like, okay,

1:58:26 Speaker 1: like how do I stop it? Like I didn't really

1:58:28 Speaker 1: care about the pain as much as preventing nuclear war,

1:58:32 Speaker 1: which is.

1:58:34 Speaker 5: Okay, that's I let's I want to pull out that

1:58:37 Speaker 5: bread a little bit. So how does the experience end?

1:58:43 Speaker 5: Does it just is it kind of like you wake

1:58:46 Speaker 5: up it's the next day, or does it just kind

1:58:50 Speaker 5: of like blackout? And how is this? How does this

1:58:54 Speaker 5: experience end?

1:58:57 Speaker 1: So right after that physical pain, nuclear mushroom cloud, blacked out,

1:59:03 Speaker 1: and then I woke up next to my bed and

1:59:05 Speaker 1: I was looking up and I wasn't scared this time.

1:59:08 Speaker 1: I felt very I felt a little helpless, but like

1:59:12 Speaker 1: a baby with that curiosity. And I'm looking up next

1:59:15 Speaker 1: to my bed and I they're looking over me, and

1:59:18 Speaker 1: they look over me. I'm staring at them. Blacked out again,

1:59:22 Speaker 1: woke up in bed, woke up screaming, grabbed my husband

1:59:26 Speaker 1: and I'm like, it's like three am. And he's obviously

1:59:29 Speaker 1: he's getting panicked because he's like, what's going on? I

1:59:32 Speaker 1: never have night terrors or anything like that. And I

1:59:36 Speaker 1: could still hear it sounds like I'm and I have

1:59:39 Speaker 1: no way of describing it. It just sounds like I'm

1:59:41 Speaker 1: either in like a submarine or like a ship, like

1:59:44 Speaker 1: I'm in some like cylindrical like there's a weird sound,

1:59:47 Speaker 1: kind of like a vibration sound. And so I'm freaking

1:59:51 Speaker 1: out because I know in this At that time, I

1:59:55 Speaker 1: feel like they're still there and that I could hear

2:00:00 Speaker 1: like hear them and that was uh that that was

2:00:03 Speaker 1: a scary I was back. I was back. Yeah, I

2:00:06 Speaker 1: was back to being scared again after the second part

2:00:08 Speaker 1: of my experience where I'm laying in the ground, not scared,

2:00:11 Speaker 1: back to being scared when I woke up.

2:00:13 Speaker 5: Okay, so but bye, by the way, So when you're

2:00:17 Speaker 5: in your bed, I I want to assume, but I don't.

2:00:23 Speaker 5: Is your husband sleeping next to you? Yes, so he

2:00:28 Speaker 5: doesn't remember any of this.

2:00:31 Speaker 1: Or he remembers when I woke up, but sleep when

2:00:34 Speaker 1: I saw them.

2:00:36 Speaker 5: That's what I'm asking. So he he's out, and you're

2:00:40 Speaker 5: he like, because this is another thing that you know,

2:00:42 Speaker 5: like so Whitley stream or has this happened a lot

2:00:46 Speaker 5: of experiences. It's almost like they like shut the other

2:00:50 Speaker 5: person off or something and then do what they do.

2:00:56 Speaker 5: But so so, so he doesn't claim to have had

2:00:59 Speaker 5: contact the same way you do. Right, yeah, okay, okay,

2:01:06 Speaker 5: So you tell him, is what's his response to all

2:01:11 Speaker 5: this and and everything? Like all of it?

2:01:19 Speaker 1: He he's interested in in the like the up and

2:01:24 Speaker 1: like the all of this stuff. But he like myself.

2:01:32 Speaker 1: We both thought maybe I was.

2:01:33 Speaker 5: Sick, okay, and uh, yeah, I guess I don't want

2:01:38 Speaker 5: to pride to I don't want to pride to you.

2:01:41 Speaker 1: I mean at this point, I mean, it's been hu.

2:01:46 Speaker 1: I was having trouble mentally contending with all of this. Yeah,

2:01:52 Speaker 1: so I had. I was having trouble contending with all

2:01:54 Speaker 1: of it, especially with this idea that nuclear war was

2:01:59 Speaker 1: my my fault, right like I logically it didn't make sense,

2:02:03 Speaker 1: but that feeling was still there, that burden, And so

2:02:07 Speaker 1: I was having mental health issues after I had my

2:02:10 Speaker 1: conscious contact experience. So what happened was that I got better.

2:02:19 Speaker 1: I started getting better, but I was still having contact.

2:02:23 Speaker 1: And so right now it's been you know, it's twenty

2:02:26 Speaker 1: twenty five January. I'm better. And by the way, I'm

2:02:30 Speaker 1: not on any medication. And that's important because I was.

2:02:33 Speaker 1: I tried different medication just to make sure even though

2:02:37 Speaker 1: I knew I was having contact, but just to make

2:02:39 Speaker 1: sure maybe right, maybe it's not contact.

2:02:42 Speaker 5: Right sure about Like okay, they probably you know they

2:02:47 Speaker 5: if anyone was diagnosing you, they'd be like, okay, this

2:02:50 Speaker 5: is sleep paralysis. You know, take this med and this

2:02:53 Speaker 5: med and this med like the pharmaceutical companies do and incentivize. Yeah,

2:02:59 Speaker 5: but that's a different story.

2:03:01 Speaker 1: Yeah. And so like I've even after having the conscious contact,

2:03:07 Speaker 1: I'm thinking, well, you know, it really is crazy. I'm

2:03:10 Speaker 1: in Georgetown University school, a foreign service. I've invested a

2:03:14 Speaker 1: lot into my career. If I can just take a

2:03:18 Speaker 1: pill and make it go away, because I didn't have

2:03:22 Speaker 1: you know, I didn't understand, and it's a lot, and

2:03:24 Speaker 1: it's crazy, right, It's crazy to say to come out

2:03:28 Speaker 1: and say I had et contact, which is why I

2:03:32 Speaker 1: didn't confide in anyone besides people my inner circle. Anyway.

2:03:36 Speaker 1: So I said, if I could take a pill, I

2:03:38 Speaker 1: don't care what it is, I'm going to take it

2:03:41 Speaker 1: and I'm going to continue on my journey. And so

2:03:43 Speaker 1: I did everything right in that way right and got

2:03:47 Speaker 1: thorough diagnosis from a psychiatrist, an MD. I went to

2:03:53 Speaker 1: different kinds of therapy, did it all, and it didn't

2:03:58 Speaker 1: do anything. It didn't do anything I would. I took

2:04:02 Speaker 1: like what they call the Ferrari of anti psychotics. I

2:04:06 Speaker 1: took it. I said screw it, like it was it's

2:04:08 Speaker 1: like fifteen hundred a month. I didn't pay for it.

2:04:09 Speaker 1: I got a trial for my doctor at one point

2:04:12 Speaker 1: because I was willing to put this to rest, take

2:04:16 Speaker 1: a pill and just continue and ignore it. And it's ferrari,

2:04:22 Speaker 1: like I said, of it's called result e r e

2:04:24 Speaker 1: x U l t I and I took it. Let it, Yeah,

2:04:30 Speaker 1: you need to let it settle in anti psychotic. Nope,

2:04:34 Speaker 1: I took it. And then there was one day, like

2:04:37 Speaker 1: a couple weeks later where I said, I'm not having

2:04:40 Speaker 1: any experiences and I breathe because I don't care if

2:04:45 Speaker 1: I'm taking this right, I don't need to go tell

2:04:46 Speaker 1: the world I'm taking anti psychotic, although I do have

2:04:49 Speaker 1: to tell intelligence eventually.

2:04:50 Speaker 5: I was someone asked it in the comments. I was

2:04:53 Speaker 5: going to ask for your job, though, do you have

2:04:56 Speaker 5: to tell them?

2:04:58 Speaker 1: You do? But okay, so they have another problem in

2:05:02 Speaker 1: national security. The US government has to deal with a

2:05:04 Speaker 1: lot of problems. One of the problems that they have

2:05:06 Speaker 1: with the intelligence is that people don't tell because your

2:05:11 Speaker 1: clearance goes under rejudication, and you like, if you don't

2:05:16 Speaker 1: want to risk your career and you know you're getting

2:05:18 Speaker 1: help and doing what you need to do, You're like,

2:05:21 Speaker 1: I don't need some random no name behind a screen

2:05:25 Speaker 1: taking my clearance away, Like we don't I don't even

2:05:28 Speaker 1: know who works there, right, Like I don't know. So

2:05:30 Speaker 1: it's like fight club. And everyone I know from military

2:05:35 Speaker 1: and intelligence is gonna laugh out loud about that. It

2:05:38 Speaker 1: is fight club. It's like don't tell, don't ask hotel. Yeah,

2:05:43 Speaker 1: like that's just how it works. And that's a problem

2:05:46 Speaker 1: because we have suicide problem in the military in national security,

2:05:51 Speaker 1: and you shouldn't have to choose between your health doing

2:05:58 Speaker 1: the right thing, which would be to tell them, and

2:06:01 Speaker 1: they're risking having your clearance pulled away.

2:06:05 Speaker 5: Because of what you tell them. Yeah, it's and this

2:06:08 Speaker 5: is a problem. Yeah yeah, And I mean this goes

2:06:11 Speaker 5: this is a broad kind of this isn't just the

2:06:15 Speaker 5: military we're talking. You know, like pilots for instance. You know,

2:06:19 Speaker 5: if they report something, the chances of them flying the

2:06:23 Speaker 5: desk for the rest of their career exponentially grow. And

2:06:29 Speaker 5: and like you said, they get you know, next thing,

2:06:32 Speaker 5: you know, they get ordered for a psyche val and

2:06:35 Speaker 5: you know, they say I saw UFO and shit, you're

2:06:38 Speaker 5: grounded after that literally and you will be riding. And

2:06:43 Speaker 5: that's why one thing, yeah, good.

2:06:48 Speaker 1: And mental health is used to get out of getting

2:06:50 Speaker 1: in trouble, so it doesn't even it becomes like, so

2:06:57 Speaker 1: what happened was and I didn't mean to cut you

2:06:59 Speaker 1: off because this was insane to me, Okay when I uh.

2:07:06 Speaker 1: In June twenty twenty three, we have stand down days

2:07:10 Speaker 1: for different reasons. It was for mental health remedial training,

2:07:15 Speaker 1: which is here's another problem. It's like a punishment but

2:07:19 Speaker 1: also the like masket as a mental health day. It's

2:07:23 Speaker 1: literally h it's literally an emotionally abusive relationship with veterans

2:07:28 Speaker 1: with military members because you're now blurring the lines of

2:07:31 Speaker 1: punishment mental health with remedial training. So on this particular day,

2:07:35 Speaker 1: all of the Intelligence Air Force ISR in the reserve

2:07:41 Speaker 1: or not just IORR. Sorry, it was all career fields,

2:07:43 Speaker 1: not just intelligence surveounced for connaissance, which is what ISR

2:07:46 Speaker 1: stands for, which I was in intelligence. All Air Force

2:07:50 Speaker 1: Reserve has had like a stand down day, and we

2:07:54 Speaker 1: got chewed out virtually on a virtual call from the

2:07:57 Speaker 1: wing or the high. The wing is like high, so

2:08:00 Speaker 1: like you have the base, you have like different squadrons

2:08:04 Speaker 1: or different units, and then you have like the higher

2:08:06 Speaker 1: higher like right, we got chewed out by the civilian

2:08:09 Speaker 1: psychologists because pilots training right flying their training craft, I

2:08:16 Speaker 1: think on the flight line, which is very very sensitive.

2:08:20 Speaker 1: Obviously on the flight line a lot no one can

2:08:22 Speaker 1: go unless you're authorized, and there's a lot of rules

2:08:25 Speaker 1: for that. You can't take pictures things like that because

2:08:28 Speaker 1: our aircraft and like our high value assets are out there.

2:08:32 Speaker 1: They took selfies. The pilots took selfies in the copet

2:08:36 Speaker 1: while they're on the runway, and they crashed the craft,

2:08:43 Speaker 1: and when they got in trouble, they said they had

2:08:45 Speaker 1: mental health issues. And the fact that the air force

2:08:49 Speaker 1: leadership ran with that, not only ran with it because

2:08:52 Speaker 1: it was they didn't do the right thing. These people

2:08:54 Speaker 1: should be punished given Article fifteens kicked out for even

2:08:59 Speaker 1: thinking that who the who are you that you could

2:09:02 Speaker 1: take a selfie in our multi million I don't know

2:09:05 Speaker 1: how much our multimillion aircraft craft. And also operational. You're operational,

2:09:13 Speaker 1: like you are tasked with high national security missions, your

2:09:18 Speaker 1: tasks with going into areas when our ground forces are

2:09:22 Speaker 1: having trouble, right, so take your training seriously, but you're

2:09:25 Speaker 1: here taking selfies for probably TikTok, probably putting all of

2:09:30 Speaker 1: that classified information about the machinery and the equipment on TikTok.

2:09:33 Speaker 1: This has actually happened on Red Note. This actually happened

2:09:36 Speaker 1: on Red Note, and I actually reposted it saying wow

2:09:39 Speaker 1: like wow, yeah right, like and then and then now

2:09:47 Speaker 1: you're going to say mental health and then your leadership.

2:09:50 Speaker 1: Because they love pilots. They love you guys so much.

2:09:53 Speaker 1: They love you guys more than the right thing to do.

2:09:56 Speaker 1: They love you guys more than us. Uh, they decided

2:09:59 Speaker 1: to just run with that, saying, well, you know what,

2:10:01 Speaker 1: now we're gonna scream in everyone because of select few

2:10:04 Speaker 1: pilots who didn't do what they're supposed to do.

2:10:07 Speaker 5: Right. This is dangerous. This is this is this is

2:10:11 Speaker 5: I mean that sounds borderline like crazy, like like almost

2:10:16 Speaker 5: like like I think every job place kind of has it.

2:10:21 Speaker 5: But like if you if anyone's ever worked in the

2:10:23 Speaker 5: restaurant industry, it's just like it's like high school, right,

2:10:28 Speaker 5: It's high school drama because it sounds it sounds like

2:10:33 Speaker 5: this is on steroids with the military. It's just a

2:10:37 Speaker 5: big high school drama. Uh thing.

2:10:41 Speaker 1: She's a psychologist. You want to know what she said

2:10:44 Speaker 1: to us?

2:10:45 Speaker 5: Yes, I would love to she.

2:10:47 Speaker 1: Screamed at us, and said, why aren't you getting help?

2:10:51 Speaker 1: What's wrong with you? Why aren't you getting help? Because

2:10:56 Speaker 1: because screaming at us when we have a suicide problem

2:11:00 Speaker 1: and people don't talk about it because of the BS

2:11:02 Speaker 1: culture that we have, and now you're going to scream

2:11:05 Speaker 1: at them for not getting it. So now they're just like,

2:11:07 Speaker 1: you know what, if they were considering getting help and

2:11:10 Speaker 1: then also reporting it because that's the right thing to

2:11:12 Speaker 1: do based on what the Air Force wants, now they're

2:11:14 Speaker 1: just like, you know what, screw it. I'm just not

2:11:16 Speaker 1: going to tell anyone at that point. I'm just going

2:11:19 Speaker 1: to make a decision for myself. And that's not good. No,

2:11:23 Speaker 1: that's not good at all. So that's how they deal

2:11:24 Speaker 1: with mental health.

2:11:26 Speaker 5: And yeah, there's obviously, you know a huge problem with

2:11:30 Speaker 5: how veterans and you know, veteran care and and you know,

2:11:34 Speaker 5: we are are our military spends all this money investing

2:11:39 Speaker 5: into someone into their training, into every facet of their

2:11:45 Speaker 5: skill set, and then it's, you know, once once they're out,

2:11:49 Speaker 5: it's like okay, cool, thank you, you know, and then

2:11:54 Speaker 5: you know, God forbid, you know, you become a homeless

2:11:57 Speaker 5: maybe using drugs and living in a tent city, that

2:12:03 Speaker 5: is far too often the case, and there's a huge epidemic,

2:12:09 Speaker 5: like it's it's a problem, and no one wants to

2:12:12 Speaker 5: look it in the eye and say what it is.

2:12:13 Speaker 5: And you're right, it's a mental health crisis. It's an epidemic,

2:12:18 Speaker 5: but we mask ourselves from it because we don't want

2:12:22 Speaker 5: to see the truth. It's kind of scary, right in

2:12:26 Speaker 5: a larger picture, But back to back to your own

2:12:35 Speaker 5: kind of your own situation, your own mental health. If

2:12:39 Speaker 5: you told the military, like, hey, I if you had

2:12:46 Speaker 5: your experience, and then the next day went to like

2:12:49 Speaker 5: your higher ups and you said, I saw grays at

2:12:54 Speaker 5: the foot of my bed. They showed me nuclear war

2:12:58 Speaker 5: what happens? But what do you think happens?

2:13:05 Speaker 1: So that wasn't gonna happen for me. There were there

2:13:13 Speaker 1: was a lack of understanding of priorities in the military. Right,

2:13:18 Speaker 1: they'll sit here and we'll have suicide prevention training, and

2:13:21 Speaker 1: then the next session we're having sexual assault training, but

2:13:25 Speaker 1: they're trying to rush through it and not making sure

2:13:28 Speaker 1: that anything is clear about decision cycle of reporting sexual harassment.

2:13:32 Speaker 1: And then you have oh my gosh, and then you

2:13:35 Speaker 1: have promotions for your AIRMN right, anything that has to

2:13:39 Speaker 1: happen with life. For some reason, the regiment that the

2:13:43 Speaker 1: higher ups want take priority over what is best for

2:13:47 Speaker 1: the vision and so doesn't even have to get to

2:13:51 Speaker 1: that point. My mental health started taking a severe toll

2:13:53 Speaker 1: because well, yeah, I'm having my experiences, but also because

2:13:56 Speaker 1: I'm I'm they're they're like not prioritizing and not doing

2:14:02 Speaker 1: the right thing, and I'm I'm I I've dressed, I

2:14:06 Speaker 1: addressed issues, and I would have never told anyone about

2:14:09 Speaker 1: my mental health. But it got to a point where

2:14:11 Speaker 1: I was well between trying to do the right thing

2:14:15 Speaker 1: from national securities to the sense making sure like even

2:14:20 Speaker 1: though I'm going through it, the most important thing to

2:14:22 Speaker 1: me is that my airmen are taken care of and

2:14:25 Speaker 1: that I, you know, I make sure they get the

2:14:27 Speaker 1: right rewards. And then I started to notice that even

2:14:31 Speaker 1: their evaluation cycle is their evaluation, their metrics are messed

2:14:37 Speaker 1: up because my airmen, you know, it's like character is fundamental,

2:14:44 Speaker 1: Like I don't give a crap if someone joined some

2:14:47 Speaker 1: stupid booster club, right, which is like basically like you

2:14:51 Speaker 1: volunteer service, and then they're slacking off in their day job, right,

2:14:56 Speaker 1: and they're putting all of the work on their teammates

2:14:59 Speaker 1: on myself. I had an airman who would stay behind

2:15:04 Speaker 1: on lunch, which there are many people and this would

2:15:08 Speaker 1: be traditional military to like, yeah, like that's a given. No,

2:15:11 Speaker 1: it's not a given anymore. Like their whole priorities all

2:15:14 Speaker 1: with the things they look at. What they value is

2:15:18 Speaker 1: like left is right, right as left. No, this airman

2:15:21 Speaker 1: was one airman that I said, you know what, he

2:15:23 Speaker 1: crushes it at what he does, and I couldn't give

2:15:26 Speaker 1: him a higher recommendation. And this was the day, actually

2:15:29 Speaker 1: this day I had I freaked out. I actually freaked out.

2:15:33 Speaker 1: I took off from my base, which is going a wall.

2:15:35 Speaker 1: My commander had to come pick me out. I lost

2:15:38 Speaker 1: my mind. And when she can't pick me up and

2:15:40 Speaker 1: I I was at this is where I was actually going.

2:15:44 Speaker 1: I was going to kill myself. And I'm not saying

2:15:46 Speaker 1: that lightly. I was dabbling with it because of the

2:15:50 Speaker 1: things I was seeing from natural security, from people around me,

2:15:55 Speaker 1: from what they're doing. They're just not doing the right thing.

2:15:57 Speaker 1: I'm too low in the totem pole and it's just

2:16:01 Speaker 1: it's like ass backwards at this station. Yeah, yeah, this day,

2:16:06 Speaker 1: she picked me up and I said, well, I freaked

2:16:10 Speaker 1: out and my commander she took I don't know why, though,

2:16:15 Speaker 1: you know, it just happened. She took the keet for

2:16:19 Speaker 1: all of Pentagon leadership. I said that they need to

2:16:22 Speaker 1: figure out their shit. I said, I'm going to and

2:16:24 Speaker 1: I realized I had to leave the Air Force because

2:16:26 Speaker 1: I was going to say something. And I actually was

2:16:28 Speaker 1: selected a commission as an officer, an intelligence officer in

2:16:31 Speaker 1: the Air Force, and I had worked really hard for

2:16:34 Speaker 1: this for a very long time. I wanted to be

2:16:35 Speaker 1: an officer. I want to be a leader because I

2:16:38 Speaker 1: trust myself to take care of people. I don't trust

2:16:40 Speaker 1: other people, which if you work in the military, I

2:16:43 Speaker 1: already know it'd be an uphill battle again and again

2:16:45 Speaker 1: and again. I keep dying on a hill and not

2:16:48 Speaker 1: getting any momentum. Right, I'd worked this hard. I got selected,

2:16:52 Speaker 1: was I was going to go to otos officer training

2:16:54 Speaker 1: school after I graduated from Georgetown. But this took a turn,

2:16:58 Speaker 1: and I said, I'm gonna have to leave. I said,

2:17:01 Speaker 1: because I'm going to go to our four stars fucking houses.

2:17:04 Speaker 1: I started cursing. I'm going to go to their efing

2:17:06 Speaker 1: houses and I'm going to ask you, what the f

2:17:08 Speaker 1: are you doing to our people? What are you doing?

2:17:12 Speaker 1: What are you doing? What? What was Afghanistan? What is

2:17:16 Speaker 1: what are you doing?

2:17:17 Speaker 4: Like?

2:17:17 Speaker 1: Well, who what are you? Why are you taking rewards?

2:17:20 Speaker 1: When you have men who died overseas? Why do I

2:17:23 Speaker 1: see a goddamn medal for anything that just happened? Right?

2:17:30 Speaker 5: The pullout was was, Oh my god, what a travesty.

2:17:36 Speaker 5: Uh It should I mean, anyone involved in how that

2:17:42 Speaker 5: operation happened or allowing it to green light that way

2:17:47 Speaker 5: should be removed uh from their duties, It's my opinion.

2:17:53 Speaker 1: But especially especially the ones who took a like a

2:17:57 Speaker 1: ribbon or metal for anything, anything you know, I want

2:18:01 Speaker 1: I wanted to take I wanted to burn all my ribbons,

2:18:04 Speaker 1: and by the way they hand them out like candy,

2:18:06 Speaker 1: I wanted to take them. At that point, I took

2:18:08 Speaker 1: them off my uniform where I thought I was still

2:18:10 Speaker 1: going to stay in the blue uniform. It's optional. I

2:18:12 Speaker 1: was like, I don't even want to wear them. Before

2:18:14 Speaker 1: I used to it, when I was like brand new,

2:18:15 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, like, it's awesome, I have an

2:18:17 Speaker 1: honor ribbon from honor graduate. I didn't even care any

2:18:19 Speaker 1: like the meaning just when I saw people getting medals

2:18:23 Speaker 1: for the our higher ups generals getting medals for Afghanistan retrograde,

2:18:28 Speaker 1: I said, this doesn't this is just made in China

2:18:30 Speaker 1: like a factory garbage, Like I just threw it out.

2:18:33 Speaker 1: I like, I don't even want to wear it. I'm

2:18:35 Speaker 1: so disgusted by seeing that people higher ups took metals

2:18:40 Speaker 1: when we had people die when the Taliban were beating

2:18:43 Speaker 1: the shit out of Afghan Afghan citizens because they lost

2:18:47 Speaker 1: utter control.

2:18:48 Speaker 5: Of the of the mob, right, and then not to mention, well,

2:18:51 Speaker 5: how much the machinery, the equipment, I forget, I forget

2:18:59 Speaker 5: what it was in like the number, but like somewhere

2:19:02 Speaker 5: upwards of like billions of dollars of like military grade

2:19:07 Speaker 5: equipment just left, Like what the fuck are you doing?

2:19:11 Speaker 5: Who's the who said this was the this is the

2:19:14 Speaker 5: way we do it. We just disappear overnight and then

2:19:19 Speaker 5: let the pick it all up and now, you know,

2:19:22 Speaker 5: broch it just finally the not that to go off

2:19:25 Speaker 5: on a tangent here politically, I really don't like to,

2:19:28 Speaker 5: but like we we're paying the Taliban on a like

2:19:32 Speaker 5: a monthly retainer when we he and luckily he you know,

2:19:37 Speaker 5: got he just put legislation through to end that and

2:19:40 Speaker 5: and it got through. But why, how how are we

2:19:44 Speaker 5: funding the Taliban in twenty twenty four, twenty five? Like,

2:19:49 Speaker 5: it's it's.

2:19:50 Speaker 1: Also funding we're also funding Chinese companies. I'm sorry, Well.

2:19:55 Speaker 5: There's there's more to that.

2:19:58 Speaker 1: US AID and we have an Africa Development Initiative. They're

2:20:02 Speaker 1: funding Chinese compeg.

2:20:04 Speaker 5: It's it's it is laughable, and it's very much laughable.

2:20:08 Speaker 5: It's it's I mean, the Chinese Belton Road Initiative, by

2:20:12 Speaker 5: the way, genius, right, deal with all the countries The

2:20:15 Speaker 5: United States, Uh doesn't because you know they let's just

2:20:21 Speaker 5: say that they don't agree with how the country's run,

2:20:24 Speaker 5: you know, politically, you know, and and the way that

2:20:28 Speaker 5: the world will see it optically, uh, you know, decides

2:20:31 Speaker 5: whether the United States will do a business with a

2:20:33 Speaker 5: country or whatever. But China is like, we'll come in

2:20:37 Speaker 5: and we'll build your highways and uh just just you know,

2:20:40 Speaker 5: we're gonna maybe one day have to land something on them.

2:20:44 Speaker 5: You cool with that? Sure, all right, sign me up.

2:20:48 Speaker 5: And then you know it's it's just it's a brilliant

2:20:50 Speaker 5: idea and they're taking up space in South America, UH Africa,

2:20:55 Speaker 5: all over the all over the world. It's it's it's

2:20:57 Speaker 5: absolutely crazy. They're coming very close to to the front door.

2:21:03 Speaker 1: They are using civilian assets for military means, like they're

2:21:07 Speaker 1: using their state owned enterprises to build runways that their

2:21:10 Speaker 1: fighters can take off and land on. And the US

2:21:15 Speaker 1: military I'm laughing because the US military doesn't look at

2:21:20 Speaker 1: the private section like they don't they div that they

2:21:24 Speaker 1: divvied up everything. So so China's just doing everything and

2:21:28 Speaker 1: and we've split the world into like it's like different pieces.

2:21:33 Speaker 1: We've we literally just like we took our glasses and

2:21:36 Speaker 1: we just smashed them. We're like, now, start to put

2:21:39 Speaker 1: them back on. Let's go out, let's get after it.

2:21:41 Speaker 1: That's that's the US government. Smashed glasses, wear them and

2:21:45 Speaker 1: then navigate reality.

2:21:47 Speaker 5: Yeah, try to blind you know, see through the cracks.

2:21:50 Speaker 5: It's just it's it's not gonna be it's not gonna end. Well,

2:21:53 Speaker 5: you're gonna fall down some stairs. But okay, so I

2:22:00 Speaker 5: I the nupe that you saw go off, that whole

2:22:09 Speaker 5: experience that kind of brought more memories back. You said, right,

2:22:16 Speaker 5: so how long do you think you've been contacted? And

2:22:21 Speaker 5: hear me out on this. Do you think that you

2:22:25 Speaker 5: were predetermined or kind of like pre destined to end

2:22:31 Speaker 5: up exactly where you are right now, but like by design.

2:22:37 Speaker 1: It's really funny that you asked that, because I literally

2:22:40 Speaker 1: was just thinking, I honestly I believe that this was

2:22:47 Speaker 1: the life that I was supposed to go down. I

2:22:50 Speaker 1: was supposed to go this way. I mean, it's hard

2:22:53 Speaker 1: for me not to see it, because I do. I

2:22:56 Speaker 1: have had contacts since I was younger, and just series

2:23:02 Speaker 1: of different things in my life. You know, I would

2:23:06 Speaker 1: it wasn't on my Bengo card to go deep in

2:23:10 Speaker 1: debt at Georgetown University School Foreign Service only to leave

2:23:14 Speaker 1: National Security and then talk about my extraterrestrial contact experiences

2:23:20 Speaker 1: on X like this wasn't I would. I would just

2:23:23 Speaker 1: forego Georgetown at that point. I would just cut to

2:23:26 Speaker 1: the chase and go on X and talk about ETS,

2:23:29 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So it's hard not to

2:23:34 Speaker 1: say it. Just it feels very it's like an illogical path.

2:23:40 Speaker 5: Okay, so well, I guess all right, maybe let me

2:23:44 Speaker 5: revise that and go a little deeper. Do you think

2:23:51 Speaker 5: that there's a commonality in your experiences with the graze,

2:24:01 Speaker 5: like have they been a part of your life, always

2:24:08 Speaker 5: like showing you, guiding you and warning you potentially, and

2:24:13 Speaker 5: that is where you get all these kind of adult intuitions,

2:24:17 Speaker 5: like as even as a kid, you talked about, you know,

2:24:19 Speaker 5: having these really like existential thoughts. Do you think it

2:24:22 Speaker 5: possibly could could have been from these contact situations and

2:24:27 Speaker 5: that you were being you were part of maybe some

2:24:31 Speaker 5: sort of like I don't know, initiative or whatever they

2:24:35 Speaker 5: seem to be trying to do by warning us individually,

2:24:38 Speaker 5: because they're not like coming out and saying, hey, guys,

2:24:43 Speaker 5: stop with the nukes, like they're not doing that right.

2:24:47 Speaker 5: They let us launch them. They sometimes shut our bases down,

2:24:50 Speaker 5: shut our nukes down, show us that they're there right,

2:24:54 Speaker 5: that they're always watching kind of like Santa Claus in

2:24:56 Speaker 5: a weird way, but they don't overtly say no, we're

2:25:01 Speaker 5: not letting you do this. So why are they warning

2:25:04 Speaker 5: us on an individual basis rather than coming out and

2:25:08 Speaker 5: saying it. I guess that's my thought path is. You know,

2:25:12 Speaker 5: like I said, you had these really like really existential

2:25:16 Speaker 5: thoughts as a kid, Could there be correlation? I think

2:25:25 Speaker 5: you're muted?

2:25:29 Speaker 1: Sorry, So if you watch near death experiences, the grays

2:25:33 Speaker 1: are seen, So I think it was doctor even Alexander,

2:25:36 Speaker 1: which is a weird name even right, even ye, doctor

2:25:40 Speaker 1: even Alexander said that he saw grays during his near

2:25:43 Speaker 1: death experience. And I actually, like separately, have glimpses of

2:25:50 Speaker 1: before I came to Earth. I don't talk about it

2:25:52 Speaker 1: because it's like, you know, this goes into like a

2:25:54 Speaker 1: little bit of the spiritual and stuff like that, and

2:25:57 Speaker 1: I know it's still contentious, especially we have different you know,

2:26:00 Speaker 1: religions and things like that. But I have this like

2:26:03 Speaker 1: memory of before I incarnated, and I have the grades,

2:26:09 Speaker 1: Like my grades for me are like they've just part

2:26:13 Speaker 1: of my life since I was really young, and like

2:26:18 Speaker 1: when I started to like when I had my conscious

2:26:21 Speaker 1: experience and all, it was like everything came full circle

2:26:24 Speaker 1: and made a lot of sense for me. I uh. Actually,

2:26:29 Speaker 1: like if we think about God and incarnation and incarnations

2:26:36 Speaker 1: and reincarnation and things like that, we could say that

2:26:40 Speaker 1: the higher dimensions are the ones who do override everything

2:26:45 Speaker 1: in the lower dimensions, and then maybe we could even

2:26:47 Speaker 1: argue that there is an element. Like I'm not speaking

2:26:52 Speaker 1: about all grades, and I know people have negative experiences,

2:26:54 Speaker 1: but my experiences with the grades are to help my

2:26:58 Speaker 1: soul stay the course it plans or intended to stay.

2:27:03 Speaker 1: And I didn't want to go down this this Uh

2:27:05 Speaker 1: actually I didn't want to talk about this because it

2:27:07 Speaker 1: does go into a little bit of like spiritual and

2:27:10 Speaker 1: like people get offended, and but that's what I my perspective,

2:27:15 Speaker 1: and that's really what I feel like. I I they

2:27:19 Speaker 1: were with my soul. Yeah, they can helping my soul

2:27:23 Speaker 1: stay on course because we can get lost.

2:27:26 Speaker 5: Well, there's an argument to be said right that, I mean,

2:27:29 Speaker 5: maybe we're conflating. You know where the idea where religion

2:27:34 Speaker 5: came from is are these guiding forces right called a

2:27:40 Speaker 5: guardian angel or you know whatever you want angels, fairies.

2:27:46 Speaker 5: Maybe the only thing that's change is the name, right,

2:27:49 Speaker 5: the name that we use. But it's all the same thing.

2:27:53 Speaker 5: So yeah, because you're not the first person to ever

2:27:57 Speaker 5: bring up like I think I might have signed up

2:27:59 Speaker 5: for this ride before even coming here. It's being talked

2:28:05 Speaker 5: about like you know, like some sort of like soul

2:28:06 Speaker 5: contract and you know, reincarnate to Earth and you know

2:28:11 Speaker 5: you bring back your experiences to the to the one.

2:28:14 Speaker 5: And yes, that is very wu And I tend to

2:28:16 Speaker 5: be kind of nuts and boltsy. But that's only because

2:28:21 Speaker 5: I truly believe that society is going to have to

2:28:26 Speaker 5: be They're not going to digest it all at once.

2:28:29 Speaker 5: If we go saying, hey, guys, like you might be

2:28:31 Speaker 5: taken out of your bed and there's anyone can do

2:28:35 Speaker 5: to stop it, right, maybe we have to just get

2:28:38 Speaker 5: to the NHI exists point before we can have that conversation.

2:28:43 Speaker 5: So it's almost strategic, right, and how we lay it out,

2:28:46 Speaker 5: how we roll it out.

2:28:49 Speaker 1: Mhmm, yeah, I would do it.

2:28:53 Speaker 5: Yeah.

2:28:53 Speaker 1: I think Jock Vlat has a really good perspective, holistic

2:28:59 Speaker 1: perspective of it that is not exclusive and all encompassing,

2:29:05 Speaker 1: and that we see things through our lens, through our paradigm,

2:29:08 Speaker 1: and that it doesn't mean it's wrong, it's just through

2:29:12 Speaker 1: our own perspective. And then maybe like we see maybe

2:29:18 Speaker 1: it's kind of like a Tower of Babel experience because

2:29:20 Speaker 1: we can only go based off of our perspective. And

2:29:22 Speaker 1: then like in that way, it's like we're seeing things

2:29:25 Speaker 1: through the meaning that we ascribe to our experiences, and

2:29:30 Speaker 1: meaning is really what's fundamental to language, and that maybe

2:29:33 Speaker 1: we take language for granted, but meaning is more nuanced

2:29:37 Speaker 1: and contextualized based on set experiences.

2:29:41 Speaker 5: H that's very well said, very well said. So I

2:29:45 Speaker 5: all right, if there was if there is one thing

2:29:51 Speaker 5: that you want someone listening, someone watching to take away

2:29:57 Speaker 5: from your experience and what you're trying to tell the people,

2:30:03 Speaker 5: what would that be.

2:30:08 Speaker 1: Well, I I honestly, I don't honestly like I'm just

2:30:18 Speaker 1: I'm just sharing the truth about my experiences. Like I said,

2:30:24 Speaker 1: I this this conflicts directly with my reputation, especially with

2:30:32 Speaker 1: people who aren't familiar with the phenomenon or are not

2:30:36 Speaker 1: like accepting of it, who work in natural security. And

2:30:40 Speaker 1: so it is that that is in direct conflict with that,

2:30:44 Speaker 1: but I like it needs to be discussed, and I,

2:30:53 Speaker 1: like I said, I have no proof or evidence of

2:30:55 Speaker 1: my personal experiences, and so it's maybe like you know,

2:31:00 Speaker 1: if you have experiences like you know, like and then

2:31:03 Speaker 1: we like start to compare notes, say okay, like maybe

2:31:06 Speaker 1: this part, maybe you know, maybe this part but I

2:31:09 Speaker 1: interpreted differently, or this could be like this, and then

2:31:12 Speaker 1: we like assign probabilities and like really like that's really

2:31:15 Speaker 1: like how we should go about things because I think

2:31:19 Speaker 1: our trust, like our like unfettered trust in people, people

2:31:23 Speaker 1: in power people each other, Like unfettered trust is what

2:31:27 Speaker 1: brought us into this mess and we have to like

2:31:29 Speaker 1: climb our way out of it. So I'm all all

2:31:32 Speaker 1: on board with us just being like putting everything in

2:31:35 Speaker 1: an uncertainty box. Logically you would put my experience in

2:31:38 Speaker 1: an uncertainty box. Uh, that's logical and rational, and that's

2:31:43 Speaker 1: nothing to get mad about. That's actually good. Like I'm like, yeah,

2:31:46 Speaker 1: like put a question mark because I don't have proof

2:31:48 Speaker 1: for evidence, and then just table it for when something

2:31:54 Speaker 1: you know else corroborates an element of what I say.

2:31:58 Speaker 5: No, that's it's a that's a great way to say it, honestly.

2:32:02 Speaker 5: And you know, the one thing one of the things

2:32:06 Speaker 5: I fear the most is or maybe you know, maybe

2:32:11 Speaker 5: it's even why you know where we need help in

2:32:14 Speaker 5: the first place. Is it seems that the black programs

2:32:22 Speaker 5: or whoever runs them, let's call let's just say that,

2:32:24 Speaker 5: they're let's call them the deep state. Like everyone else,

2:32:28 Speaker 5: they're the face or the face of humanity in terms

2:32:34 Speaker 5: of the non human intelligence, you know whatever. And that

2:32:40 Speaker 5: scares me because if they're coming at it with their

2:32:43 Speaker 5: own agenda, you know, this military you know, defense exploit

2:32:50 Speaker 5: for gain, you know, profit attitude. It concerns me because

2:32:56 Speaker 5: you know that I don't think that's that that that

2:33:00 Speaker 5: so how mankind should be represented. And I don't think

2:33:03 Speaker 5: the government or any any person or governing body on

2:33:09 Speaker 5: this planet has a right to speak or enter us

2:33:12 Speaker 5: into anything as a as a as a whole. And

2:33:17 Speaker 5: the fact that if there is you know, if this

2:33:20 Speaker 5: is all true, if this, you know, if if aliens

2:33:23 Speaker 5: are actually here among us, non human intelligence, and it

2:33:27 Speaker 5: is being covered up by whomever, that is I consider

2:33:32 Speaker 5: a crime against humanity because that's like trying to classify

2:33:36 Speaker 5: if snails exist. It doesn't make sense. You can't classify that.

2:33:40 Speaker 5: It's it's stupid to even try to begin to do that.

2:33:45 Speaker 5: So I just worry that because we've always as humanity,

2:33:49 Speaker 5: we've always just we we crave subjugation, whether it's from

2:33:53 Speaker 5: the Church, the King's we need someone who to follow,

2:33:59 Speaker 5: and that person who leverages that power seems to be

2:34:05 Speaker 5: the face of humanity, and it's not working in our

2:34:12 Speaker 5: best interests as a whole so far. I think the

2:34:15 Speaker 5: cover up started with the Vaticate, I really do, because

2:34:19 Speaker 5: I think who is the top dog before the United States,

2:34:23 Speaker 5: who ran the world. Well the church did, right, So

2:34:27 Speaker 5: I think there's more to that, and I think the

2:34:31 Speaker 5: cover up started a long time ago, before even the

2:34:36 Speaker 5: age of the nuclear weapon. But I think, you know,

2:34:41 Speaker 5: these are my thoughts, my own opinions and theories. But

2:34:44 Speaker 5: I really do worry that the military or someone with

2:34:49 Speaker 5: a military mindset is right now dictating our communication with

2:34:55 Speaker 5: non human intelligence. And that concerns me because you know,

2:35:00 Speaker 5: are they going to tell us to turn around and

2:35:02 Speaker 5: say it's a threat we need to fight, you know,

2:35:06 Speaker 5: start an interplanetary war. That would be logically the next

2:35:10 Speaker 5: step some sort of false flag. You know, you talked

2:35:16 Speaker 5: about false flags earlier. There's this idea of the ultimate

2:35:21 Speaker 5: false flag, right, the fake alien invasion, And I worry

2:35:26 Speaker 5: that that is actually something that that's real.

2:35:32 Speaker 1: Yeah, and yeah, I would even argue that the same

2:35:35 Speaker 1: comply to when we have Americans engage in corruption or

2:35:41 Speaker 1: opium farming, or god only knows what else on behalf

2:35:46 Speaker 1: of the US government, they are not leaving a fine

2:35:50 Speaker 1: mark on the US government and so, and this would

2:35:53 Speaker 1: also extend to corporations who get bailed out for crimes

2:35:57 Speaker 1: against humanity in different countries. Is like the Democratic Republic

2:36:01 Speaker 1: of Congo. You know, I posted something like two days ago.

2:36:07 Speaker 1: So I'm taking this uh and applying it to human

2:36:10 Speaker 1: human affairs where it's like the US and China are

2:36:15 Speaker 1: co signing on crimes against humanity in the Congo. Right,

2:36:19 Speaker 1: And this goes back to who's the good guy? When

2:36:21 Speaker 1: we were joking earlier about black programs farming opium and

2:36:25 Speaker 1: smuggling opium in city United States on behalf of quote

2:36:29 Speaker 1: the good guys, and I'm like, yeah, well, you know,

2:36:31 Speaker 1: it looks like we're the good and bad guys, especially

2:36:37 Speaker 1: you you look at the population of the United States, Like,

2:36:39 Speaker 1: the more you identify with a group, the bigger the group, well,

2:36:44 Speaker 1: the less you know who's in that group. So if

2:36:46 Speaker 1: you call yourself we or like identify in any group,

2:36:50 Speaker 1: then you're taking on the burden of that whole group,

2:36:54 Speaker 1: and then you don't know who's who, Like people selling

2:36:56 Speaker 1: out left and right things like that, and doing things

2:36:59 Speaker 1: that they're not supposed to be doing.

2:37:02 Speaker 5: I agree, I agree, it's a it's a fun Like

2:37:04 Speaker 5: I said, the division is I think it's the ultimate

2:37:08 Speaker 5: it's the ultimate weapon against society, like global the global society.

2:37:13 Speaker 5: It's the ultimate tool that is used against us is

2:37:17 Speaker 5: the social engineering of like, oh, you're black, I'm white.

2:37:23 Speaker 5: We're different. It's like, no, that's not how it works,

2:37:27 Speaker 5: you know, that's not His skin is just a you know,

2:37:33 Speaker 5: and and white people like to think that we were

2:37:36 Speaker 5: the first. We were not we were. I guess if

2:37:41 Speaker 5: you want to call it a process of evolution, right,

2:37:46 Speaker 5: because if life started where we think it started in

2:37:49 Speaker 5: the in the Middle East, the skin would have been darker,

2:37:55 Speaker 5: you know, to accommodate for the sun in the in

2:38:00 Speaker 5: the intensity of it. So, you know, I think it's

2:38:03 Speaker 5: I just think it's funny how weird or weird how

2:38:05 Speaker 5: things have turned over the years. And and there's this

2:38:10 Speaker 5: like quote unquote white privilege. So I mean, I don't know,

2:38:14 Speaker 5: it's like world politics and all that shit. Aside, I

2:38:19 Speaker 5: do think it united humanity is something that the deep

2:38:22 Speaker 5: state fears, and they'll do anything to keep us fighting

2:38:26 Speaker 5: amongst each other so that we don't ask too many questions, keep.

2:38:30 Speaker 1: Them people of power will become on prety Well, we're

2:38:34 Speaker 1: unpredictable if we don't fall in line with the narratives

2:38:38 Speaker 1: or you know, the ideologies that they expect us to

2:38:40 Speaker 1: fall in line with. I say, I shot you a

2:38:45 Speaker 1: message really quick.

2:38:47 Speaker 5: Yeah, so I I really do want to say thank

2:38:52 Speaker 5: you for for taking time out of your day. I

2:38:57 Speaker 5: know I have probably I probably have a lot more

2:39:01 Speaker 5: that I would like to get to, but we are

2:39:04 Speaker 5: at like the two forty mark. Uh so I'm probably

2:39:07 Speaker 5: gonna break it here. But I think that I think

2:39:12 Speaker 5: that there's a lot to be said for your for

2:39:14 Speaker 5: for your encounters, and much more for you to explore.

2:39:18 Speaker 5: You're very new to to you know what's going on,

2:39:23 Speaker 5: and you know you'll probably learn more in the coming

2:39:25 Speaker 5: years about yourself, and you know, I'd very much like

2:39:29 Speaker 5: to see where that goes. So thank you, thank you,

2:39:33 Speaker 5: Thank you so much for coming on, and thank you

2:39:35 Speaker 5: for your service to the country.

2:39:37 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for everyone listening. I messaged him

2:39:40 Speaker 1: that I have to pee like that's I. I love

2:39:43 Speaker 1: speaking to you. This was an awesome interview and I

2:39:46 Speaker 1: wish I honestly, if you want to wait like two

2:39:48 Speaker 1: three minutes, I just have to use the rest room.

2:39:51 Speaker 1: That was learly why I said I message to you,

2:39:53 Speaker 1: But you know.

2:39:54 Speaker 5: What I do, We'll round it out because I did

2:39:56 Speaker 5: have one more thing that I wanted to run by you,

2:39:59 Speaker 5: and it's something that I just noticed. So yeah, take

2:40:03 Speaker 5: a We'll take a two minute breather.

2:40:05 Speaker 1: Perfect, That's that's all I need.

2:40:10 Speaker 5: I'm gonna play some uh music. I guess I've never

2:40:15 Speaker 5: done this. Other streams do that, though they break. I

2:40:21 Speaker 5: just don't have a Jamie to hit pause. Oh my god.

2:40:36 Speaker 4: M h.

2:40:39 Speaker 1: M hmmmm h.

2:40:48 Speaker 4: M hm.

2:40:49 Speaker 5: Hm. Damn it. Nothing stayed on there. Oh my camera's off,

2:43:03 Speaker 5: so thank you. I had to. I had to switch chairs.

2:43:07 Speaker 5: My back was hurt. That other chair is uh, it's

2:43:11 Speaker 5: not what the hell? Okay, So I'll work on this

2:43:16 Speaker 5: little camera thing. But I'd like to ask you, so

2:43:19 Speaker 5: there is a Oh cool, it just came on. Look,

2:43:22 Speaker 5: I didn't even have to do anything. There's a theory

2:43:26 Speaker 5: that has been posed by a guy named Michael Masters,

2:43:30 Speaker 5: and you know, you you actually hinted at it a

2:43:33 Speaker 5: little bit earlier, calling the grays kind of like gender

2:43:37 Speaker 5: genderless and maybe like that's where we go. We did

2:43:40 Speaker 5: just talk a little bit about like evolution and that,

2:43:44 Speaker 5: do is it? Do you think it would be probable

2:43:46 Speaker 5: or possible that that maybe they're not extraterrestrials and that

2:43:53 Speaker 5: they are actually from here, just from a different time.

2:43:59 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I actually, if our souls come and God

2:44:04 Speaker 1: exists outside of space time, right, he he could see

2:44:08 Speaker 1: y'all and our souls you know, they come, you know,

2:44:11 Speaker 1: they come from God, They come from Heaven, the higher dimensions.

2:44:17 Speaker 1: If we think about it right, time doesn't exist, So

2:44:25 Speaker 1: what would that make the grace? And also think about

2:44:28 Speaker 1: it this way too, is that if space time is

2:44:30 Speaker 1: a dimension, the fourth dimension, and then there's something outside

2:44:33 Speaker 1: like the fifth dimension, et cetera, and so we look

2:44:37 Speaker 1: at it from that vantage point, then really everything is

2:44:41 Speaker 1: non local, everything is all at once. And then that

2:44:46 Speaker 1: raises a lot of questions.

2:44:49 Speaker 5: It does it? Really? It does absolutely raise a lot

2:44:54 Speaker 5: of questions. I I guess because kind of just trying

2:45:00 Speaker 5: to loosen up down and kind of go a little deeper.

2:45:05 Speaker 5: What would you what is your best guess as to

2:45:09 Speaker 5: to what what is going on in the like with

2:45:16 Speaker 5: why do people get abducted? Why do people get their

2:45:19 Speaker 5: eggs taken? You know, do you think that there's uh,

2:45:23 Speaker 5: you know, some sort of hybridization program going on? Like

2:45:27 Speaker 5: what are your takes on all those things? You know,

2:45:29 Speaker 5: having had contact yourself, which is positive, what is your

2:45:33 Speaker 5: take on the negative?

2:45:36 Speaker 1: The negative is that there is uh if we go

2:45:40 Speaker 1: by you know, by the Bible. If we go by

2:45:44 Speaker 1: you know, free will and just free will in general

2:45:47 Speaker 1: in general, then there's free will, uh is a defined law.

2:45:53 Speaker 1: And that being said, we see people and we hear

2:45:57 Speaker 1: of ets. I call them et is just because of

2:46:00 Speaker 1: what they what the grades look like, uh, and what

2:46:03 Speaker 1: conventionally we're known as extraterrustrial in like a space time

2:46:06 Speaker 1: or in a three D framework. But if we see

2:46:11 Speaker 1: it time and again with each other and with people, uh,

2:46:14 Speaker 1: with free will, that you can also impinge on someone

2:46:18 Speaker 1: else's free will.

2:46:20 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, Oh, of course, of course, because you know,

2:46:22 Speaker 5: and I've always had this kind of thought that you know,

2:46:28 Speaker 5: deja vu or even things like the Mendela effect are

2:46:33 Speaker 5: like kind of like rips in the the the fabric

2:46:37 Speaker 5: of reality itself. Because time, like you said, is time

2:46:41 Speaker 5: is relevant. It's it's a man made like linear construction.

2:46:45 Speaker 5: Time is more of a force than like kind of

2:46:50 Speaker 5: like it's it's more like gravity than it is a

2:46:53 Speaker 5: clock on the wall.

2:46:54 Speaker 1: Right, So it's like caused an effect from like a

2:46:57 Speaker 1: linear standpoint.

2:46:58 Speaker 5: Right right. And I've been watching the series Dark and

2:47:03 Speaker 5: I posted about this a couple of days ago. But

2:47:06 Speaker 5: it is so fucking good and and I didn't watch originally.

2:47:11 Speaker 5: I love stories. I I just like I'm a facility.

2:47:18 Speaker 5: I love stories. I love a good story. Love. There's

2:47:21 Speaker 5: something about like immersing, immersing yourself in something that's bigger

2:47:24 Speaker 5: than yourself that it's like, you know why like Marvel,

2:47:28 Speaker 5: why like superhero stories? Right, It's it's it's like the

2:47:32 Speaker 5: ultimate version of yourself on screen and for a minute

2:47:35 Speaker 5: you get to pretend that you know you're morally not corrupt,

2:47:41 Speaker 5: even though we're all flawed.

2:47:44 Speaker 1: It's it's who you could be, right. So it's like

2:47:47 Speaker 1: I feel like it's someone I could be that I

2:47:50 Speaker 1: would aspire to be.

2:47:52 Speaker 5: Right. I would like to be Captain America. Like not

2:47:56 Speaker 5: just because Chris Evans is like a good looking dude,

2:47:58 Speaker 5: but you know his uh, you know, CAP's morality, Like

2:48:02 Speaker 5: he always does the right thing because not because it's

2:48:05 Speaker 5: what's going to get him thanked, but it's going it's

2:48:07 Speaker 5: what needs to be done. Same thing with Batman. But

2:48:10 Speaker 5: that arc type is something that I really love. And

2:48:13 Speaker 5: maybe it's because I view myself as, you know, a

2:48:16 Speaker 5: little bit bit broken morally, and would I make the

2:48:21 Speaker 5: same decisions. I'd like to think i'd say absolutely, but

2:48:24 Speaker 5: what I I don't know. I don't know. So I think,

2:48:31 Speaker 5: you know, we're all the hero of our own story,

2:48:34 Speaker 5: but we're also the villain of our own story. And

2:48:38 Speaker 5: I can't help but think that you know, these this

2:48:43 Speaker 5: this contact, right, this idea of contact with a non

2:48:48 Speaker 5: human intelligence? Is it? Is it real?

2:48:53 Speaker 1: Like?

2:48:54 Speaker 5: Is it actually real? I've seen what I've seen, I've

2:48:58 Speaker 5: experienced that I've experienced, what I've heard. Is any of

2:49:02 Speaker 5: this real? Are we in some sort of like simulation? Right?

2:49:05 Speaker 1: Like?

2:49:05 Speaker 5: Because that's a that's a theory that's been prevalent lately,

2:49:08 Speaker 5: and uh, I've been going down that rabbit hole, and

2:49:12 Speaker 5: it's like, Jesus, I hope I'm not an NPC. I

2:49:16 Speaker 5: really hope so.

2:49:18 Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

2:49:21 Speaker 5: But I that's that those are the kind of thoughts

2:49:28 Speaker 5: that that I have now, Like you know, I've had

2:49:33 Speaker 5: so many years to really like think about what I've

2:49:35 Speaker 5: been through, what other people have been through, and kind

2:49:38 Speaker 5: of connect dots. I don't know how far along you

2:49:41 Speaker 5: are on your journey, but it feels very limited to

2:49:45 Speaker 5: just think that, like, all right, there's this phenomena, it's

2:49:48 Speaker 5: only coming from a different planet, right that I think

2:49:53 Speaker 5: that's a very fragmented look, and I think it's more

2:49:58 Speaker 5: possibility that these things are from different dimensions, that these

2:50:02 Speaker 5: things are from different you know, possibly different worlds that

2:50:05 Speaker 5: are just like our own.

2:50:10 Speaker 1: Yeah, those are really interesting things to think about. I

2:50:15 Speaker 1: actually stop at like these are great thought experiments, and

2:50:21 Speaker 1: I recognize them as it. But once I found what

2:50:25 Speaker 1: was really truly important to me in this lifespan, I

2:50:31 Speaker 1: stopped entertaining that. And that's because I can't do anything

2:50:37 Speaker 1: about I can't get that information no matter how much

2:50:41 Speaker 1: I like try to dig and try to figure it out,

2:50:45 Speaker 1: really I'll get lost. And then all that time I

2:50:49 Speaker 1: could have spent building I.

2:50:51 Speaker 5: Don't know, I did not I hear yet or.

2:50:55 Speaker 1: You know, yelling at the US government so that they

2:50:59 Speaker 1: can the president of Rwanda to the table and threatened

2:51:04 Speaker 1: him so he stops invading and torturing children in East Congo.

2:51:08 Speaker 1: These are things that are important to me, and so

2:51:11 Speaker 1: like I am like in the disclosure space, and I

2:51:15 Speaker 1: did like at that time when I had my initial

2:51:18 Speaker 1: conscious contact, I went hardcore down the rabbit hole. But

2:51:25 Speaker 1: then I started to learn more about child trafficking and

2:51:33 Speaker 1: sex trafficking and all these different things, and I was

2:51:38 Speaker 1: wasting time on my for myself, and I said, I

2:51:40 Speaker 1: need to focus on this because I'm an intelligence I'm

2:51:43 Speaker 1: trained intelligence professional, and I can save a child from traffickers.

2:51:51 Speaker 1: The only part I have trouble with is I don't

2:51:52 Speaker 1: want to play the stupid game. But you can't kill people. No,

2:51:56 Speaker 1: I want to bring all these traffickers to an island.

2:51:59 Speaker 5: And then I want to.

2:52:01 Speaker 1: Them, yeah, like like just do like uh like bio

2:52:05 Speaker 1: warfare tests on them and then and then I would

2:52:08 Speaker 1: charge the US to use them as Yeah, and then

2:52:12 Speaker 1: we use these traffickers, uh and people who are hurting

2:52:16 Speaker 1: and profiting off children. We use them to test all

2:52:19 Speaker 1: of our nuclear and bio warfare capabilities on an island

2:52:22 Speaker 1: that is far remote so that it doesn't impact anyone

2:52:25 Speaker 1: around us. I'm going to stop there because I'm already

2:52:29 Speaker 1: on the I'm on the naughty list. I'm on the

2:52:32 Speaker 1: naughty list, and I'm going to be canceled. Even though

2:52:34 Speaker 1: I feel like, uh, you get all could get off board,

2:52:37 Speaker 1: we can get on board about the child trafficking.

2:52:41 Speaker 5: No, absolutely, I listen. I'm with you, sister, I'm with you.

2:52:44 Speaker 1: I'm going to get canceled.

2:52:46 Speaker 5: But yeah, you get to watch that long because you

2:52:49 Speaker 5: might get canceled before you have a.

2:52:51 Speaker 1: Whole plan too. I was like the plan started forming

2:52:54 Speaker 1: as I was saying, and I'm like, I need to

2:52:56 Speaker 1: stop mombit.

2:52:57 Speaker 5: And like I said, have similar thought experiments have crossed

2:53:01 Speaker 5: into my mind. What do you so? What's your take then?

2:53:06 Speaker 5: So as someone who's in intelligence, you know, and you

2:53:11 Speaker 5: kind of like to go on evidence and and actionable intelligence,

2:53:20 Speaker 5: not just you know, hearsay or or or circumstantial you

2:53:24 Speaker 5: know certain things, What what is your thought on, like

2:53:29 Speaker 5: like certain aspects of potentially someone brought it up earlier,

2:53:35 Speaker 5: but like rituals, spiritual rituals and you know, trying to

2:53:40 Speaker 5: astral project or you know, witchcraft and that kind of

2:53:45 Speaker 5: stuff like the parent more paranormal side of things. How

2:53:49 Speaker 5: do you how do you look at that as an

2:53:53 Speaker 5: as an intelligence person?

2:53:56 Speaker 1: The same way my changed after my experience. Before, I

2:54:03 Speaker 1: would have never said any of this was plausible. In fact,

2:54:06 Speaker 1: I even thought debunkers were crazy for wasting time on this.

2:54:09 Speaker 1: That's how far away far removed I was. But after

2:54:13 Speaker 1: my experience, and you know, the same could be said

2:54:16 Speaker 1: about my experience of degories, So I keep an open

2:54:20 Speaker 1: mind a lot of stuff. I'm like, there's a lot

2:54:23 Speaker 1: that I don't know, Like I don't even know what

2:54:25 Speaker 1: I don't even know.

2:54:26 Speaker 5: Of course that's I mean, that's that's how you have

2:54:29 Speaker 5: to go, right, So you don't know what you don't know.

2:54:31 Speaker 5: And I So the final kind of what I wanted

2:54:35 Speaker 5: to wrap up on is so while we were doing

2:54:39 Speaker 5: while we started this show, you know, we talked about

2:54:43 Speaker 5: a little bit about that that crash. There was another

2:54:47 Speaker 5: crash while we were doing this, a jet in Philadelphia.

2:54:54 Speaker 5: It's kind of I don't know, it's just weird, but

2:54:57 Speaker 5: it looked nefarious. Uh if you if you if that's

2:55:02 Speaker 5: the word, do you want to Uh, I don't know.

2:55:05 Speaker 5: I don't know. I don't want to get canceled either,

2:55:07 Speaker 5: but there what do you? So we we talked about

2:55:11 Speaker 5: the DC crash. There's been another one though, and I'm

2:55:16 Speaker 5: gonna try to look it up. But someone brought it

2:55:19 Speaker 5: up in the comments earlier. I didn't see it, but

2:55:22 Speaker 5: then someone just pointed it back out in that it

2:55:25 Speaker 5: looks like in the apparently there's video some video that

2:55:29 Speaker 5: looks like a missile hits it. Now I'm not I

2:55:31 Speaker 5: haven't seen this. I'm trying to look it up. But

2:55:34 Speaker 5: if anyone in the comments can send a link to

2:55:38 Speaker 5: where you're seeing this, I would be I'd very much

2:55:41 Speaker 5: like to see that or about that.

2:55:46 Speaker 1: I just looked it up. I didn't hear about this.

2:55:49 Speaker 5: So what are they? So what is going on? Is

2:55:52 Speaker 5: it just a jet in the northeast Philadelphia?

2:55:57 Speaker 1: Okay, it's a brand new it's our brand new fighter.

2:56:02 Speaker 5: Oh wow, so six people? Oh yeah, right here CBS news,

2:56:09 Speaker 5: Oh wow, So look at the this is just does

2:56:14 Speaker 5: this feel odd? Or is it just me like with

2:56:17 Speaker 5: the DC thing and then this does something? Does it

2:56:21 Speaker 5: every day just seem like a bad sci fi movie

2:56:23 Speaker 5: all of a sudden or is it just me like

2:56:25 Speaker 5: ever since fucking Thanksgiving with the drones in New Jersey,

2:56:29 Speaker 5: ever since then, it's been like one bad sci fi

2:56:31 Speaker 5: movie day after day. And uh yeah, so apparently six people?

2:56:38 Speaker 1: Wow?

2:56:39 Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't, I don't. I don't know what. I

2:56:43 Speaker 5: don't see any videos. I don't know what that person

2:56:45 Speaker 5: was talking about where a missile hits it? But oh,

2:56:50 Speaker 5: maybe a small plane you see that in the area.

2:56:55 Speaker 1: And we've got Joe on the phone. Joe, do you

2:56:58 Speaker 1: have any more information about what we are looking at. Now.

2:57:01 Speaker 4: You see, I've been working my police sources, and I

2:57:03 Speaker 4: don't have a monitor up to see what it is

2:57:05 Speaker 4: you are looking at. But I do have photos from

2:57:08 Speaker 4: the scene, in fact one with you if you want to.

2:57:11 Speaker 5: Take a look.

2:57:12 Speaker 4: It is at the inner would appear to be the

2:57:14 Speaker 4: Boulevard and Ruberstry and it is just police sources there

2:57:21 Speaker 4: mean that the plane when came down, Uh, it's.

2:57:25 Speaker 1: Parts of the plane hit the cars in the area.

2:57:28 Speaker 4: Some businesses near the Roosevelt Mall are on a fire,

2:57:32 Speaker 4: as are some other structures. I'm breaking the figure out,

2:57:36 Speaker 4: you know. It's it's the extent of damage there and

2:57:41 Speaker 4: possible degree I'm sharing, uh some grim details that we

2:57:47 Speaker 4: have not yet confirmed, but from some of the descriptions

2:57:51 Speaker 4: of law enforcement on the scene, this is a ADA

2:57:55 Speaker 4: stay scenario there in northeast Philadelphia and if walking.

2:58:01 Speaker 5: Through So yeah, I don't, I don't. I just I

2:58:05 Speaker 5: thought that because the person messaged me and said there's

2:58:07 Speaker 5: a video that looks like a missile hits it, So

2:58:10 Speaker 5: that's why I wanted to bring it up. But I

2:58:11 Speaker 5: don't see any of that video. I don't know if

2:58:13 Speaker 5: that person was just messing around.

2:58:15 Speaker 1: But this is a different This is wow, this is

2:58:20 Speaker 1: actually what you showed different than the F thirty five

2:58:23 Speaker 1: fighter jet that was two days ago.

2:58:27 Speaker 5: There's more, how many more? So planes are just falling

2:58:31 Speaker 5: out of the sky for a living now, this is

2:58:34 Speaker 5: not Yeah again, I I I hate, I really really

2:58:40 Speaker 5: really really hate to sound conspiratorial because like with stuff

2:58:45 Speaker 5: like this, there's real people involved, right, there's like real

2:58:50 Speaker 5: affected people. But like I just have this gut feeling

2:58:55 Speaker 5: and I've had it for a long time that something

2:58:59 Speaker 5: like the state just being set for something bad, like

2:59:02 Speaker 5: some sort of false flag and this I've tweeted about

2:59:06 Speaker 5: this several times, and you kind of said it earlier.

2:59:11 Speaker 5: It's like you had this overarching feeling of imminent doom.

2:59:16 Speaker 5: You can go back to my ex profile, like go

2:59:19 Speaker 5: back two months and you'll say there's a post that

2:59:22 Speaker 5: I was like, I can't help but feel that like

2:59:26 Speaker 5: something we're on the verge of something that is going

2:59:29 Speaker 5: to change humanity as we know it, and it just

2:59:33 Speaker 5: seems like the stage is constantly now being set for

2:59:36 Speaker 5: something weird, and I don't know what that is.

2:59:40 Speaker 1: We have to be careful because going back to what

2:59:42 Speaker 1: you said after nine to eleven, how quickly we were

2:59:44 Speaker 1: willing to abdicate our freedom. What happens in like in

2:59:50 Speaker 1: this kind of scenario, or like in the nine to

2:59:52 Speaker 1: eleven scenario, is we go into fight or flight mode.

2:59:55 Speaker 1: And when we're in fear mode, and we saw this

2:59:57 Speaker 1: during COVID as well, we're more controllable and we are

3:00:01 Speaker 1: not making very rational decisions. And I want to kind

3:00:04 Speaker 1: of just really quick touch on something that I noticed

3:00:06 Speaker 1: at Georgetown University when I was in a technology focused program,

3:00:11 Speaker 1: so science, technology, and international affairs, and the future that

3:00:15 Speaker 1: was being painted was a bleak future. You have to

3:00:18 Speaker 1: understand this was twenty twenty one, so we were just

3:00:20 Speaker 1: based barely climbing out of COVID, and from the perspective

3:00:25 Speaker 1: of people from Washington, d C. In the establishment, Trump

3:00:30 Speaker 1: painted a very dark future, and so in their eyes,

3:00:34 Speaker 1: so did populism. So the populism which is unpredictable, along

3:00:41 Speaker 1: with high technology and the multi prong threat coming from

3:00:45 Speaker 1: different bad actors or adversaries of the United States government,

3:00:49 Speaker 1: all of this painted a very bleak and dark picture.

3:00:53 Speaker 1: So what I noticed was that when we would write

3:00:55 Speaker 1: policy papers, which are basically recommendations, that we would make

3:00:59 Speaker 1: to the US government, to congressmen on how to tackle

3:01:02 Speaker 1: certain problems within government, society, or even business. We were, well,

3:01:10 Speaker 1: the picture was painted that it was a dark picture,

3:01:13 Speaker 1: and so you're providing a solution in a dark picture. Well,

3:01:19 Speaker 1: if you are painting a dark picture, you're basically saying

3:01:22 Speaker 1: that this future is happening, right, this future is inevitable,

3:01:27 Speaker 1: and you're looking at basically looking at things from as

3:01:30 Speaker 1: you're some standpoint, and so naturally you're more inclined to

3:01:36 Speaker 1: propose regulations in this case on technology, propose regulations to

3:01:42 Speaker 1: control AI development and things like that. But the problem

3:01:45 Speaker 1: is goes back to the other thing I said, is

3:01:47 Speaker 1: that they operate within the system that was manufactured. It's

3:01:50 Speaker 1: basically artificial, it's man made. The real world doesn't work

3:01:54 Speaker 1: like this. So no matter what regulations you put up,

3:01:57 Speaker 1: not everyone's following them. And we saw this, We see

3:02:00 Speaker 1: this with the black programs that are just even worse,

3:02:04 Speaker 1: right even worse. They're unacknowledged because they're like, we don't

3:02:08 Speaker 1: even want them to know because they're going to do

3:02:10 Speaker 1: things that are going to stifle our development. Right there,

3:02:12 Speaker 1: there are actually justified reasons in their eyes for not

3:02:17 Speaker 1: letting people see everything because we're literally cutting our own

3:02:20 Speaker 1: legs off with all this regulation, especially when it comes

3:02:22 Speaker 1: to the private sector and innovation in defense and stuff

3:02:27 Speaker 1: like that.

3:02:29 Speaker 5: Yeah, so we're stovepiping it and with that, you're never

3:02:34 Speaker 5: going to get the best people to be able to

3:02:37 Speaker 5: work on it. It's going to be who's going to

3:02:40 Speaker 5: keep the secret, right, Who's who's who's the narcissists that

3:02:44 Speaker 5: you can get that can do also do the job

3:02:46 Speaker 5: and keep the gut keep their mouth shut. Right, You're

3:02:49 Speaker 5: not going to get the best of the best in

3:02:51 Speaker 5: these fields because you're gonna have to compromise. You know,

3:02:55 Speaker 5: when they take a polygraph test and they don't they don't,

3:02:58 Speaker 5: you know, score the way you want them to write.

3:03:01 Speaker 5: So you know, I feel like they're the only way

3:03:05 Speaker 5: this thing works. And we found on nine to eleven

3:03:07 Speaker 5: how stove piping information can fuck us over and we will.

3:03:11 Speaker 5: It seems like we won't learn the lesson, Like it's

3:03:16 Speaker 5: it's it's I guess that they say is right right. Histories,

3:03:20 Speaker 5: you know, those who don't learn from history are bound

3:03:23 Speaker 5: to repeat it.

3:03:25 Speaker 1: Well.

3:03:27 Speaker 5: Prime example, United States of America or modern day United

3:03:31 Speaker 5: States of America, And I wanted to ask if if

3:03:37 Speaker 5: there was a global world war that starts, what would

3:03:44 Speaker 5: you what do you think the most likely contenders for

3:03:50 Speaker 5: said conflict would be? Like? Is it US? In the US?

3:03:53 Speaker 5: In China? Is it Russia? US? Is it?

3:03:57 Speaker 1: What?

3:03:58 Speaker 5: What do we? Look? What do you think?

3:04:01 Speaker 1: What I think? I think the transnational legacy elite have

3:04:05 Speaker 1: underground bunkers or probably corporate shut Look, assuming that the UAP,

3:04:12 Speaker 1: which we have seen plenty of data, and I have

3:04:15 Speaker 1: plenty of data, we have it. The question is do

3:04:18 Speaker 1: private companies also have access to that? Are they are

3:04:20 Speaker 1: these like military companies, you know, stripping out some of

3:04:25 Speaker 1: the national security components like they do with their regular fighters.

3:04:28 Speaker 1: Right when we sell fighters strip down F thirty fives

3:04:31 Speaker 1: to Taiwan. Would the same thing be happening with these UAPs?

3:04:36 Speaker 1: So then okay, assuming that if you have more money

3:04:39 Speaker 1: and basically you can buy all these things, so only wealthy,

3:04:43 Speaker 1: wealthy people are going to be able to sustain any

3:04:46 Speaker 1: impact of this civilizational calamity or something like that. So

3:04:51 Speaker 1: what's going to happen is that the elite, the people

3:04:55 Speaker 1: in power, the ultra elite, are going to have underground

3:04:59 Speaker 1: by grist, they'll be able to survive it, and then humanity,

3:05:04 Speaker 1: humanity will be destroyed. So in the end of the day,

3:05:06 Speaker 1: it's not it's not good for any anyone. It's like,

3:05:11 Speaker 1: what's the point, Like why are people paying the price?

3:05:15 Speaker 1: Why are people paying the price for what people bad

3:05:18 Speaker 1: people are doing? And so, and then what would be

3:05:23 Speaker 1: the ultimate from like uh, nuclear war level China and

3:05:27 Speaker 1: the United States?

3:05:30 Speaker 5: Right, so that you think that's the main that would

3:05:34 Speaker 5: be the main vis a vis if it were to happen,

3:05:39 Speaker 5: is the US and China would be the conflict that

3:05:43 Speaker 5: kind of sets it sets it off. And now now

3:05:47 Speaker 5: and your assessment as an analyst, how likely is China

3:05:53 Speaker 5: to move on Taiwan? Like if they say, say, because

3:06:00 Speaker 5: Trump's not going to be in office forever, right and

3:06:04 Speaker 5: let's just say that he's the only thing that's keeping

3:06:06 Speaker 5: it at bay right now. You know, because if I

3:06:11 Speaker 5: was China and I watched what was happening in Russia

3:06:14 Speaker 5: and Ukraine, I would say, guys, we can go in.

3:06:18 Speaker 5: We could take it right now, we could do it

3:06:22 Speaker 5: right And there's and and you know, because we had

3:06:24 Speaker 5: a president who was literally like asleep at the wheel

3:06:28 Speaker 5: and a vice president, who was campaigning more than half

3:06:33 Speaker 5: the time. She had been locked in a closet for

3:06:35 Speaker 5: the past three and a half years to my knowledge,

3:06:37 Speaker 5: after her terrible border speeches. No one saw her until

3:06:41 Speaker 5: she was the nominee for president, and it just seemed

3:06:45 Speaker 5: like we were really vulnerable at that moment. I thought

3:06:48 Speaker 5: China would make the move then, but they didn't. Do

3:06:54 Speaker 5: you see in a future where they do make the move.

3:07:00 Speaker 1: Really, you know, this is where it comes down to

3:07:02 Speaker 1: our own self awareness and decision making. The Trump administration

3:07:08 Speaker 1: has really like Tulsi Gabbert needs to be appointed. It's

3:07:14 Speaker 1: I won't even entertain it. It's not controversial, it's not

3:07:17 Speaker 1: business as usual. Tulci Gabert needs to be the director

3:07:20 Speaker 1: of OD and I of D and I period R.

3:07:24 Speaker 1: Get them, Get them all in Congress is going to

3:07:27 Speaker 1: get us into war. Congress and the establishment national security

3:07:32 Speaker 1: apparatus is going to get us into war. There are

3:07:35 Speaker 1: a lot of things that the it's McCarthyism, not only

3:07:40 Speaker 1: with uh demop of like being pro Trump, you know

3:07:43 Speaker 1: all this stuff. It's McCarthyism with even entertaining a broader

3:07:49 Speaker 1: perspective of foreign policy in the United States. You're suddenly

3:07:53 Speaker 1: anti American. Well that you know, to me, that sounds

3:07:56 Speaker 1: very I don't know, Marxist or collectivist. So you can't

3:08:00 Speaker 1: deviate from the crowd. Is very collectivist, it's dangerous. Well, yes,

3:08:06 Speaker 1: yes it is. And China has a different view of

3:08:10 Speaker 1: Russia Ukraine situation. So I wasn't trained on the Ukraine situation.

3:08:16 Speaker 1: But the constitution of Ukraine was changed to where it

3:08:21 Speaker 1: was no longer a buffer zone and it could become

3:08:24 Speaker 1: a part of NATO. And there was an agreement, right,

3:08:26 Speaker 1: there was an agreement between the West and NATO and

3:08:30 Speaker 1: and Russia.

3:08:31 Speaker 5: Right, So that in Russia. Right, So that I'm sorry

3:08:34 Speaker 5: to cut off, but I think I fucked you over there.

3:08:37 Speaker 5: I fucked your speech. But we had NATO after World

3:08:41 Speaker 5: War two or maybe yeah, after world War two in

3:08:44 Speaker 5: the Cold War? Right, the only condition or there was

3:08:48 Speaker 5: a condition that NATO could not be in a place

3:08:53 Speaker 5: like that's on the Russia border, right, is it something

3:08:57 Speaker 5: like that?

3:09:00 Speaker 1: So yeah, it was an agreement that it would be

3:09:03 Speaker 1: preserved as a buffer zone between NATO and Russia.

3:09:08 Speaker 5: Right, which we violated multiple times.

3:09:12 Speaker 1: Yeah, So.

3:09:15 Speaker 5: I'm not like, I'm really not because I don't want

3:09:18 Speaker 5: to sound like I'm like for Putin or anything, I'm not.

3:09:21 Speaker 5: But you know, the West again, we talk about us

3:09:25 Speaker 5: being the hero, and you know the way we see

3:09:28 Speaker 5: ourselves as the hero quote unquote, But there were things

3:09:34 Speaker 5: in play, and it said, you know, like, if you

3:09:37 Speaker 5: cross that line, then we're going to have a problem.

3:09:39 Speaker 5: And NATO has crossed that line so so many times

3:09:43 Speaker 5: that you can't even count them all or list them all.

3:09:47 Speaker 5: So you kind of look at Putin and say, we've

3:09:49 Speaker 5: actually had a tremendous amount of restraint because you know,

3:09:53 Speaker 5: this could have happened ten whatever, you know, many years

3:09:56 Speaker 5: ago when they first violated it, or however many years

3:10:00 Speaker 5: as a go. But and he made it good. It

3:10:02 Speaker 5: made it very abundant. In a speech that he that

3:10:04 Speaker 5: he delivered and he said, how would the United States

3:10:07 Speaker 5: like it if we went into like Brazil or South America,

3:10:13 Speaker 5: Mexico and parked our military there with with at weapons

3:10:20 Speaker 5: of mass destruction aimed at the civilian population. How would

3:10:23 Speaker 5: you guys feel Would that make Would that let you

3:10:26 Speaker 5: sleep at night? Would you feel good about that situation?

3:10:29 Speaker 5: Probably not? And I can honestly see what he's saying.

3:10:35 Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is the other issue of viewing the

3:10:39 Speaker 1: situation as black and white is that when you have

3:10:42 Speaker 1: a common enemy, and you have an enemy that you've

3:10:46 Speaker 1: we're all groomed and you know, by people who grew

3:10:48 Speaker 1: up in the Cold War, and it goes without saying

3:10:52 Speaker 1: that Russia is not my friend. Like if Russia could

3:10:55 Speaker 1: use me personally as a tool to screw over the

3:10:58 Speaker 1: government and then let me get dried up and wash out,

3:11:02 Speaker 1: they would hell yeah, they would use me to do

3:11:05 Speaker 1: whatever they want and then they would let whoever kill me,

3:11:08 Speaker 1: or they would kill me. They don't care, right like that,

3:11:11 Speaker 1: They operate like the mafia, which sounds like the CIA

3:11:15 Speaker 1: if you ask me, from what we know about the CIA.

3:11:17 Speaker 1: But anyway, so knowing that, right, that's the situation, we

3:11:23 Speaker 1: now we can see. You know, it's not just because

3:11:25 Speaker 1: you're seeing the situation critically from a critical standpoint. You're

3:11:29 Speaker 1: not pro Russia, right, like you're not suicidal. Yeah, but

3:11:37 Speaker 1: we see what's happening with uh, we see what happened

3:11:40 Speaker 1: with Ukraine, right they changed the constitution. We know they

3:11:45 Speaker 1: don't talk about it because you can't touch it. You're

3:11:47 Speaker 1: you're suddenly a Russian plant. If you talk about the

3:11:50 Speaker 1: ethnography or like the you know, the different the identity

3:11:53 Speaker 1: and like the nuances of Ukraine and history.

3:11:57 Speaker 5: Uh.

3:11:57 Speaker 1: And then you you can also look at it from

3:11:59 Speaker 1: an individual standpoint. To be frank, if I was a

3:12:02 Speaker 1: Ukrainian living in Ukraine, I don't want to go under

3:12:04 Speaker 1: Russia because now you're going to be subject to sanctions.

3:12:07 Speaker 1: You can't travel freely, right, you don't have that freedom

3:12:10 Speaker 1: of maneuver movement as you would if you were a

3:12:12 Speaker 1: part of NATO or just a buffer country. So I

3:12:15 Speaker 1: wouldn't want to be as an individual. I'm just saying that.

3:12:18 Speaker 1: But it is nuanced, right, It's nuanced. And then now

3:12:21 Speaker 1: we see with Romania is that they're using the Russia

3:12:25 Speaker 1: election interference and that's certainly the case, right, that's certainly happening.

3:12:29 Speaker 1: But they're using this as an exam as a reason

3:12:31 Speaker 1: to cancel an election because of a right wing guy

3:12:36 Speaker 1: who doesn't want to have war with Russia is gaining popularity,

3:12:43 Speaker 1: and they keep doing this stuff where anyone who's on

3:12:46 Speaker 1: the right or is deviating from the collective of the mob.

3:12:51 Speaker 1: The mob at this point is the left when you

3:12:54 Speaker 1: look at it across the Western across the Western hemisphere,

3:12:57 Speaker 1: and then in the Eastern though we have seen and

3:12:59 Speaker 1: then southern, but southern hemisphere, but we see pushback. They

3:13:03 Speaker 1: call it a pink wave when there's a populas right

3:13:06 Speaker 1: wing pushback against the socialism and the left wing institutions

3:13:13 Speaker 1: or left wing of those countries. But Romania just canceled

3:13:17 Speaker 1: its election, and so now you're like, you're forced to

3:13:21 Speaker 1: contend with the question of like is it worth canceling

3:13:24 Speaker 1: the election? Right, And at this point they've thrown around

3:13:28 Speaker 1: Russian puppet and ascid and all these things so much

3:13:32 Speaker 1: that they've diluted these words, just like the ribbons of

3:13:34 Speaker 1: my uniform for all of the things I did were

3:13:37 Speaker 1: diluted when generals who lost people under their command and

3:13:41 Speaker 1: even after the Afghanistan retrograde, accepted their ribbons like it

3:13:45 Speaker 1: didn't mean anything at that point. The same goes with

3:13:49 Speaker 1: like when you throw around words like Russian acid or whatever.

3:13:52 Speaker 1: Now it's like we don't we I don't believe it.

3:13:56 Speaker 1: First of all, if you're using Russian acid, it's with

3:14:00 Speaker 1: right wing I already know this is something that was politicized,

3:14:03 Speaker 1: and whoever is doing it is either witting and weaponizing

3:14:06 Speaker 1: it to achieve their own objectives. Or there an unwitting

3:14:11 Speaker 1: NPC puppet of people who are pushing their own nefarious objectives.

3:14:16 Speaker 1: And these people are just not seeing the whole picture

3:14:20 Speaker 1: and can't see and so they're also essentially like you know,

3:14:24 Speaker 1: we have to have you know, that's why the Constitution's important,

3:14:29 Speaker 1: because we can push back because bad speech. To fight

3:14:33 Speaker 1: bad speech, you need more speech.

3:14:36 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I couldn't agree more. Really I couldn't. And

3:14:40 Speaker 5: to Joey about the prison planet thing, Listen, I would

3:14:43 Speaker 5: love to get into that, but that is a can

3:14:45 Speaker 5: of worms that I don't know if I'm ready to

3:14:46 Speaker 5: open right now, because I am a probably I've been

3:14:51 Speaker 5: up since four im so probably gonna have to call

3:14:53 Speaker 5: it soon. Prison planet thing is a very interesting way

3:14:56 Speaker 5: to look at it, but I don't know, I don't know.

3:15:01 Speaker 5: I just I can't. I can't see that being a

3:15:03 Speaker 5: possibility with because when I look at Earth, I look

3:15:09 Speaker 5: at what and people are so so focused on living

3:15:15 Speaker 5: their lives according to you know, this religion, that religion

3:15:18 Speaker 5: so they can get into heaven after this life. Everyone's

3:15:21 Speaker 5: so concerned with what happens after when we don't realize

3:15:25 Speaker 5: that the paradise that we live in called Earth, so

3:15:30 Speaker 5: so such biodiversity, such different landscapes and just experiences that

3:15:39 Speaker 5: you can have all over the world in different places,

3:15:43 Speaker 5: you know, based on geographical location. It just goes to

3:15:46 Speaker 5: show how diverse this planet is, how amazing it really is. So,

3:15:50 Speaker 5: if anything, I think it would be the opposite of

3:15:52 Speaker 5: a prison planet. I think it would be something that

3:15:56 Speaker 5: I mean, we're like a like remember when in COVID

3:15:59 Speaker 5: what they called people super spreaders. We're like a life

3:16:03 Speaker 5: super spreader. That's what I think. But yeah, I don't know,

3:16:09 Speaker 5: I don't know. I don't know what to think. Could

3:16:15 Speaker 5: you say that we're in a prison planet? Does it

3:16:17 Speaker 5: feel that way?

3:16:21 Speaker 1: It did for a little bit when I first had

3:16:23 Speaker 1: my experience, I felt like I couldn't breathe, Like I

3:16:29 Speaker 1: just felt like I was stuck, especially because I broke

3:16:32 Speaker 1: space time and then aliens and then I'm stuck in

3:16:34 Speaker 1: my own circumstances. It did. But after I started to

3:16:40 Speaker 1: you know, figure things out, and a lot of it

3:16:44 Speaker 1: is also going inward, right, It was like a lot

3:16:47 Speaker 1: of going inward too and collecting. Well, okay, like if

3:16:51 Speaker 1: I'm on a prison planet and they're like, you want

3:16:54 Speaker 1: to get on a ship and go somewhere else today?

3:16:57 Speaker 1: Where am I going to go? Like, do you want

3:16:59 Speaker 1: to hang out? If you want to not be around

3:17:00 Speaker 1: human beings, you want to be around aliens? Okay, Like yeah,

3:17:03 Speaker 1: then the prison is that you can't go and go

3:17:06 Speaker 1: to Project Curpo or do anything like that, right, Like

3:17:08 Speaker 1: unless I don't know, unless you dig, if you really

3:17:11 Speaker 1: try to figure out how to find one of these

3:17:13 Speaker 1: secret space programs, I don't know, Like that might not

3:17:16 Speaker 1: be a possibility.

3:17:17 Speaker 5: You just said that. I didn't even I would. I

3:17:20 Speaker 5: would really, I would not have pegged someone like you,

3:17:25 Speaker 5: who's to know something as obscure as that. That's very

3:17:30 Speaker 5: very funny Project Surpo'. It's it's but it's also a synchronicity.

3:17:35 Speaker 5: So that's why I laughed, sorry, not at you with you,

3:17:39 Speaker 5: But I don't know, Yeah, I just I don't think

3:17:43 Speaker 5: this is a prison. I think this is a I

3:17:45 Speaker 5: think it's a paradise. And we often overlook that, we

3:17:49 Speaker 5: forget and we're so concerned with, you know, whatever comes next.

3:17:52 Speaker 5: It's like, dude, I don't know if you noticed, but

3:17:56 Speaker 5: nobody knows. Really, So enjoy yourself while you're here. But

3:18:00 Speaker 5: there are some probably some you know, really good laws

3:18:03 Speaker 5: and morality, you know thing morale issues like obviously don't

3:18:10 Speaker 5: murder anybody murder and then say kill don't murder, you

3:18:16 Speaker 5: know that kind of stuff. But the for me, religion,

3:18:20 Speaker 5: it's it's hard to get behind, honestly. So MICHAELA I am.

3:18:26 Speaker 5: I'm I'm gonna start rambling soon, so I'm probably gonna

3:18:29 Speaker 5: I'm probably gonna have to wrap it here. I would

3:18:31 Speaker 5: really love to have you back on though. You You're

3:18:34 Speaker 5: someone I could like, I could go go go back

3:18:37 Speaker 5: and forth with about different issues, and I could see

3:18:41 Speaker 5: how you could be a good guest for various different issues.

3:18:46 Speaker 5: So where can so if someone wanted to continue engaging

3:18:50 Speaker 5: with you and following what you're doing, how could they

3:18:53 Speaker 5: do that?

3:18:55 Speaker 1: Yes, well, honestly, this has been awesome and I could

3:18:58 Speaker 1: literally we could talk about anything for forever. And I'd

3:19:03 Speaker 1: love to be back on the show. So if people

3:19:07 Speaker 1: want to find me, they can go to My ex

3:19:11 Speaker 1: is just at mckela Fachar. It's just speled how my

3:19:15 Speaker 1: name is spelt, no space obviously, no space, no dot between,

3:19:18 Speaker 1: just Mikeela Fachar. It's one word, yes.

3:19:21 Speaker 5: And the link is in the description below right past

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3:19:26 Speaker 5: you right to your page. Definitely follow her and stay

3:19:30 Speaker 5: in tuned with what comes next, because I think I

3:19:34 Speaker 5: think we're about to have like kind of like a

3:19:36 Speaker 5: global awakening to a degree. Something's that. I think something's happening,

3:19:41 Speaker 5: and I look forward to to seeing the end of

3:19:45 Speaker 5: the ride or seeing it through at least me too.

3:19:49 Speaker 5: So again, thank you MICHAELA and to everyone watching super

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3:20:18 Speaker 5: questions to guests. I have we just recorded with Chris

3:20:22 Speaker 5: Pledso and another experience or very high profile. So those

3:20:28 Speaker 5: episodes have be coming out in the following weeks, very

3:20:30 Speaker 5: very very very interesting talk. So I would I would

3:20:35 Speaker 5: definitely hit the belt for notifications for those episodes. Mikayla

3:20:39 Speaker 5: amazing as always. I just want to again say thank

3:20:43 Speaker 5: you for your service to the country. I alwould like

3:20:45 Speaker 5: to remind everyone that, you know, our veterans they need

3:20:49 Speaker 5: to be not just taken care of, but they need

3:20:52 Speaker 5: to be recognized and we need to prop them up

3:20:56 Speaker 5: instead of letting them kind of go blind, go go

3:21:00 Speaker 5: past us. And you know, like I said, the homeless

3:21:03 Speaker 5: veteran issue is something that's close to me. I come

3:21:05 Speaker 5: from a military family as well. Uh So it's something

3:21:09 Speaker 5: I'm always talking about to everyone else in the podcast.

3:21:12 Speaker 5: Where you know what it is, We'll see you on

3:21:14 Speaker 5: the other side. God, I'm tired.

3:21:18 Speaker 1: Oh