#89: Roswell, 1947...The Day The World Changed FOREVER! With Donald Schmitt 5 Time Best Selling Author

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0:52 is Donald Schmid. Donald is a cum Laudy graduate at Concordia University. He

0:58 is a five time selling author and former co director of the Jay Allen Center

1:03 for UFOs Studies in Chicago. He served as director of Special Investigations for ten

1:11 years there. He is also the founder and board advisor for the International UFL

1:17 Museum and Research Center and Boswa. Don is an amazing guest and this is

1:22 part two of our segment with him. We did record part one, so

1:26 if you want to check that out, it'll be in the description below and

1:32 above me. I'll play it right there so you can click that if you

1:36 want to watch out first. Thank you. We hope you enjoy today's show.

1:42 Thank you, Blanket Stations. You've covered the entire UF over now then

1:46 over the past twenty years, and we're back. We're back with Donald Schmidt.

2:29 My man. Uh, we're here for part two. Uh. We

2:31 had a great conversation with you the first time around that you know, I

2:37 was like, I gotta, I gotta have you back on. I'm so

2:38 glad we could get this, get this under under our belts today and I

2:44 think we have a lot to talk about. Well, thank you for having

2:47 me back. And uh, it's always always a pleasure to be with you,

2:51 Tayler, thank you, Thank you so much. Donald. And and

2:53 you know, last time we had John, we we we really got into

2:58 who you were, how you got into you afology. So we're gonna skip

3:01 that, but for anyone who wants to kind of, you know, watch

3:07 that part one first. I'll link it above, uh and in the description

3:10 below. But tonight we're gonna get into the meet Donald is a or can

3:16 I call you Don please? Yes? Absolutely right? Friends? All right,

3:23 so and we're friends. So Don, I would consider you an expert

3:28 in in the Roswell Casey. Yeah. Now, for our viewers listeners,

3:36 Roswell is going to be one of the most famous cases they know. But

3:39 for the general public coming in maybe at a time where they're starting to see

3:44 David Grush come out into Congress. You know, he was just awarded the

3:49 skiff with Burshette Luna, Matt Gates and uh, actually I'm not sure who's

3:53 going to be in the skiff because I'm not sure who's cleared. But all

3:58 that's in the news right now. So crash retrievals, all of this really

4:03 starts in the general public's eye with Roswell. So can you give me a

4:08 brief overview of the events that unfolded in Roswell, New Mexico in nineteen forty

4:13 seven. Well, any one of your viewers can go back to that summer

4:18 of nineteen forty seven, go to a public library and pull out all the

4:24 old microfilf on the microfish of all the newspapers at that time, and that

4:30 last part of June first week of July. You would have thought we were

4:34 being invaded. It was the arrival of the flying discs. Even the very

4:41 term flying saucer was coined at that very time from a search rescue pilot by

4:47 the name of Kenneth Arnold over Yakoma, Washington on June twenty fourth of nineteen

4:53 forty seven, and he was speaking to an Oragorian reporter by the name of

4:57 Bilba Schett, and he described these nine crescent shaped objects that they were maneuvering

5:03 through the sky like saucers being skipped across to water. And then it was

5:10 Bashett who then coined the very term flying saucer. So it wasn't it wasn't

5:18 more, it was more or less not the shape, but how it was

5:25 seemed to be, how it maneuvered, so precisely, that's the irony in

5:30 all this, and that people think, oh, flying sauce. No,

5:34 No, it was based on their flight characteristics, not their shape. At

5:41 that time. Now, through the next few days, banter headlines around the

5:46 country, state after state for state, and all the failed attempts by the

5:51 military to try to bring one of these invaders down, try to get something

5:58 on gun camera footage were photographs of pilots mounting thirty five millimeters camera on the

6:04 front of their aircraft or P fifty one Mustang's that type of thing, and

6:11 historically Roswell was the headquarters of the first atomic bomb squadron in the world.

6:18 The five All Night Yes Roswell Army Airfield famous not only that they have the

6:27 Onola Gay but also boxcar the two B twenty nine bombers which had just dropped

6:31 atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki ending World War Two. Okay, so,

6:39 the five All Night Bomb Wing was a composite unit where they selected the best

6:43 officers, best pilots, crew, doctors, nurses, all stationed at Roswell.

6:49 The night that there was this severe lightning storm in the high desert of

6:54 Lincoln County, about seventy five miles northwest of Roswell, and ranchers described between

7:00 the thunderclaps they heard what sounded like an explosion. The next morning, a

7:05 ranch foreman by the name of WW. Braso discovers a de brie Field of

7:13 the strangest wreckage that neither he are the ranchers hired hands. Even a state

7:18 police officer we're able to identify and it's that Sunday, July sixth, that

7:26 Braso would make the long trek in the Roswell. Now, he doesn't go

7:30 to the military, He goes to the courthouse, and it's the sheriff,

7:34 George Wilcox, who then contacts the military. Well, it's the very base

7:41 commander, Colonel William Blanchard, who dispatches a Major Jesse Marcel, who was

7:46 the head of intel intelligence of the Fible ninth, and they head of counter

7:51 intelligence, Captain Sheridan Cabot. They check out this debris field, they load

7:59 up, they fill up two entire vehicles of this strange wreckage. They returned

8:03 back to the base. They arrived first thing Tuesday morning, July eighth,

8:09 and at noon it's the Roswell Army Airfield who puts out that famous press release

8:15 where they actually claimed they captured a flying saucer. Now who historic fat nothing

8:24 I described as a matter of historic fat right, and who sparked the initial

8:28 report of that UFO crash in Roswell. Now, because it was the very

8:35 ranch foreman who first notified the military of this crash. Now I have to

8:41 emphatise Tyler, this is a fourth of July weekend. Most of the base

8:46 personnel are home on leave. Yeah, nothing is being tested, nothing is

8:52 reported missing. The skies are clear, it's beautiful out and in this is

9:00 this rancher describing the brave field of wreckage that extends for almost a mile in

9:07 length. And it's the strangest material that no one is able to identify,

9:11 all the way up to the very base commander who's in charge of the atomic

9:16 bomb. They've never seen anything like this stuff before. And again they put

9:22 out that press release and again just like grush, not not just like crush,

9:28 but just like many of these military personnel. Now, these aren't just

9:35 your your run of the military personnel. These are the guys that that elite

9:41 the country has entrusted with the most sophisticated, complex and dangerous technology to date.

9:52 And they can't they don't know what that they now. If I'm wrong,

10:01 feel free to correct me. Now. You could bend, twist,

10:05 smash it with a hammer, burn it. This material would not no respond

10:11 to anything, right. You couldn't burn it, you couldn't cut it.

10:16 You Bullets wouldn't penetrate it. It was paper thin, weightless in your hands.

10:24 There were engineers at the base describe how they took a sixteen pound sledge

10:30 hammer. Now imagine next time you're at a home depot, you're at a

10:33 hardware store, pick up a sixteen pound hammer if go through your car like

10:41 kissue paper. And yet the engineers described how no matter how hard or how

10:46 often they would strike this wreckage, not even a scratch. There were silken

10:54 strands of material like microfilm at fishing line, and they describe how you could

10:58 hold a light up the one end and the light would emit, it would

11:03 come out the opposing the opposite end. What are they describing? Hip hydroptic

11:09 cables I was gonna says, wouldn't be developed for another twenty three years.

11:16 And in the amazing material of Awe, we still referred to it as our

11:20 holy grail. It's what we're still searching for in all of our archaeological digs.

11:26 Same paper, thin metal like material. But this you could fold,

11:31 you could crease, you could crumble into a ball, and each and every

11:35 time you would place it down, it would unfurl, it would unravel,

11:41 it would flow like water as it would assume its original shape and size.

11:46 In other words, it possessed perfect memory. Right now is there any doubt

11:54 why they were unable to identify, recognize any of this material, because even

12:01 by today's standards, we'd be talking about something highly sophisticated, highly advanced.

12:09 And in the case of the memory material, we're first getting there. We're

12:15 first, you know, developing materials that are self healing, are able to

12:22 assume an original shape for your eyes. And it was back in nineteen forty

12:30 seven, whether it was reverse engineered, whether it's served as the impetus for

12:37 developing such materials ourselves, but nonetheless, this is exactly These are exactly the

12:43 characteristics described not only by the highest ranking military but also down to the children

12:52 of the hired hands of the ranchers who also managed to get a piece handle

12:58 some of this exotic material. And god, I wish someone would have kept

13:03 a piece, you know, for for close for goodness sake, people that

13:11 had pieces as recent as the mid nineteen eighties, right, and yeah,

13:20 yeah, and we know that, you know, doctor Gary Nolan's doing a

13:24 lot of good work at Stanford University, being able to you know, yeah,

13:31 but use that machine to take images down to the atomic level, being

13:37 able to yea, be able to see it, and how these materials are

13:41 are essentially manufactured at the atomic level and have isotopic ratios that we don't find

13:48 naturally interesting. Did you mention that, Tyler, and that we had a

13:54 metallurgist who work out of the University of Florida in Miami. He was assigned

13:58 to a special project in the mid nineteen eighties at the University of Illinois and

14:03 Chicago, and there were Air Force officers that came in with large wooden boxes

14:13 and they plunked them down on a lab table and said, we'll be back

14:16 in a week. We want a full report, tell us what this stuff

14:22 is and no context. I'm sure no in other words, plause but deniability.

14:28 In other words, we're not going to tell you any more than you

14:31 need to know. You tell us what you're testing is able to determine,

14:37 and this port just told us that even at the molecular level, this material

14:43 was perfect. And they were looking between themselves as far as all the technicians

14:50 and going, God help us if this isn't ours right, because it was

14:56 that advanced. He described that they took a larger piece about four foot diameter,

15:01 and they suspended it in a firing chamber where they fired a forty five

15:07 caliber shell into it, and he said it was like watching a tennis ball

15:13 hit a blanket on a clothesline where it forward and then it came back and

15:22 the shell just dropped off of it. Oh my god, this would revolutionize

15:28 creates a wonderful visual. Yeah, I mean, and you got to you

15:31 got to say, I mean this, this material in and in plethora would

15:39 change the game as far as military capabilities, as far as just engineering in

15:46 general, absolutely everything. It would be just absolutely game changing. And you

15:52 know, the turn of the military is the militaristic application of whatever technology they

16:03 managed to possess. How can we make this into a better and more lethal

16:07 weapon. And that would have been precisely the case with the materials recovered at

16:12 raw as well up till even today. Well do you think that that is

16:21 why they started working with private aerospace to get this stuff out of the Now

16:30 we're now we're kind of fast forwarding many years, but this they're not too

16:37 many immediately after it, immediately after so these private aerospace companies, right,

16:44 the military doesn't Now, people forget our government and our military. They don't

16:48 do anything themselves. They contract exactly. They do not manufacture a single bullet

16:57 plane, ship, nothing submarine battleship, all assimilated and all contracted through the

17:06 private sector, and as a result, we anticipated and that's one of the

17:12 reasons that we started to track down people, scientists, technicians, metlers who

17:22 worked for all of these aerospace companies back at the time of Roswell, and

17:27 as a result, we found first hand witnesses at Los Alamos, at Boeing,

17:34 at Lockheed, at Rand Corporation, at General Electric, at Hughes Aircraft,

17:41 all describing firsthand their attempts to reverse engineer this potentially new weapon, this

17:55 material, and all falling short. Nobody finding the but nobody able to crack

18:02 the code, so to speak. But nonetheless, it demonstrated to us that

18:06 the government, and as much as they swept this under the carpet, they

18:11 still sought to win the race to the moon, so to speak, with

18:15 the Soviet Union, which was our principal enemy during that entire Cold War.

18:22 China was not even China was Third World still at that time. It wasn't

18:26 even on the map yet it was, it was, but Japan devastated by

18:33 the war, most of Europe devastated by the war, and so it was

18:38 us and China and Russia. That was it. That was it Soviet Union.

18:42 So we made it our policy to shift this materia out and see if

18:52 anyone could get a handle as to what makes this thing work. And I

19:00 think this then led up to that very prophetic warning that the then that gave

19:07 over President Eisenhower as he was the Partying Office, made that stern warning to

19:12 us about the military industrial complex. They tend to then run the country because

19:23 they have all the lobbying power in securing new contracts for new who benefits like

19:33 in the time of war, for example, bongerers. Yes. So in

19:40 other words, the more weapons they can produce, the more they profit.

19:45 And as a result we I I see that one of the main dilemmas that

19:55 still faces the Pentagon is the fact that they all of this foreign technology into

20:04 the hands of the private sector, and presently they've lost track of who has

20:11 what and where they have it, and what test results are, and in

20:17 many respects they don't even have the material any longer. They may have kept

20:22 some souvenirs here and there, but overall it's all within the confines of the

20:30 Boeings and the Lockheeds and other corporations with these with the concert proviso, we're

20:37 still working on it. We're getting close. Give us another year, give

20:40 us another two years, and we may figure this stuff and another billion dollars

20:45 and another billion precisely title exactly, And so it becomes that big carrot,

20:52 that the biggest carrot of all that they're able to dangle time in and time

20:56 out. And as a result, ways, I almost sympathize with the Pentagon

21:04 in that when it comes to disclosure, they may not really have anything to

21:08 disclose. They may have, they may be able to acknowledge the reality,

21:12 but when it comes to being able to present their bona fides, so to

21:18 speak, they've lost track of They don't even know where the stuff is right

21:22 now. And we know this is the case because and I've had timber shed

21:27 on the show, you know, I I we know that Congress has lost

21:34 oversight of legacy programs dealing with UFOs, and we have totally totally let this

21:47 get We've let this get to a point where it has been so compartmentalized and

21:53 so uh buried deep within you know, black special access programs that Congress doesn't

22:03 know which way to look up or down and and and you know, Grush

22:07 finally has been given the skift, so hopefully, you know, they can

22:12 start banging some doors down. But my fear is that these companies, if

22:18 they do have stuff that they're hiding or not hiding, but they're keeping under

22:22 lock and key, they have plenty of time to move it now. Oh

22:26 absolutely. Oh and when you consider even the military facilities themselves, like Bright

22:34 Patterson has ten levels that were aware of Hallam and Air Force Base just north

22:40 of White Sands Proving Ground in Alamagordon, New Mexico. I was taken down

22:45 as a civilian down to the third level, which is Space Command, where

22:51 they have all these tractors, these mobile communication tractor trailers. In the event

22:56 of a nuclear attack, that they would establish mobile communications throughout the country if

23:03 possible, that type of thing. So it's around, it's all gone underground.

23:08 And as a result, it's not like in the movie Independence State where

23:14 you can just knock on the door of AVERYA fifty one and take us to

23:17 a particular hangar or through this inside this particular vault, and there they have

23:22 everything hidden from prying eyes. Now they can go wherever they can play the

23:26 shell game to the point that no congressmen, not even a president of the

23:33 United States, for not having the need to know, is going to be

23:37 able to say, take us and show us the physical effocots. Because because

23:45 these are career bureaucrats and career CEOs. These are career uh they're they're just

23:59 downright already money grab money grubbing, power hungry people. These they can outd

24:07 They just have to wait out congress people. They just have to wait out

24:11 the president. They have to wait out all these uh uh uh, what

24:15 do you call it? Elected officials, because they're only the right temporary problem

24:25 with the office of the president. Even albeit their commander in chief, the

24:30 Pentagon still looks at them as being a civilian walking the street in for the

24:34 eight years, so they have long had a policy they do not tell the

24:40 president anything more than they feel he or she needs. Dwight Eisenhower left the

24:48 military a five star star general, fifth one. He's only one of five.

24:56 The fifth is a congressional promotion, and he's one of only five full

25:02 generals four star generals ever promoted to five now, yes, now, he

25:08 was commander in chief. He was Secretary of the Army Air Corps Army during

25:18 World War Two, he was chief of Staff for the Army Chief of Staff

25:22 of the Army. Goes On becomes a five star general, two times president

25:27 of the United States, and in his own memoirs he laments the fact that

25:33 while he was in the Oval Office, the Pentagon didn't tell him anything.

25:41 That if he didn't ask, they didn't volunteer it, they didn't refill.

25:47 And so if they don't brief the likes of Dwight Eisenhower, that we should

25:52 expect anyone else, especially not having a military background, that the Pentagon is

25:57 going to entrust with its deepest, darkest, darkest secrets and say, we've

26:03 had we've had a lot of debunkers. Well, they don't tell the president.

26:06 That means there's nothing to tell. No, no, no, no,

26:07 you don't know presidential protocol, you don't know military protocol. You don't

26:15 know what you're talking about. Yeah, it's an right, it's it's on

26:19 a need to know basis, And until you need to know, then you're

26:23 not going to And that's the way they see the president is, Okay,

26:30 you are a conduit of the United States government, right, you are an

26:37 elected official, a conduit by the people into to be the commander in chief

26:41 of of like for instance, you know, a guy like Donald Trump comes

26:48 in. I mean he has no military background. You can't control military,

26:53 right, So there we we have these checks and balances, and yes,

26:57 it's all great, it's a great idea, but there's too much room for

27:02 compartmentalization, and and and and wrongdoing, and and and again. Eisenhower did

27:07 try to warn us of this, and I think, wrong it is you,

27:12 And he said, wrongdoing. Who's in contact, who has a larger

27:17 who has a larger staff than anyone individual in the world, who is not

27:22 only accountable to everyone, who's either voted or even voted against a sitting president,

27:30 who is peppered by the media more than anyone else. And as a

27:36 result, when things go right, it's the president. When things go wrong,

27:40 it's the president, it's not the military general. And the idea that

27:45 you would also then entrust that individual with the deepest, darkest secrets imaginable,

27:52 with the chance that one slip of the tongue and it's all or not.

27:57 No, no, no, they don't take chance. The military is a

28:00 dictatorship, and also their association with the president is also part of that dictatorship.

28:11 I think it also is intended to protect the office. Let's keep in

28:17 mind that, say, if our enemies ever thought that the President of the

28:22 United States holds tight, you know, to all the biggest secrets within our

28:27 arsenal, well, who automatically becomes the biggest target then the president. And

28:33 as long as the President serves only in the capacity of need to know,

28:37 he's no different than anyone else within the military structure at that time. Exactly.

28:45 It also protects the individual. So what do you so? Okay,

28:49 so going back a little bit now, the military, what is their response

28:53 to Roswell? Now, because there's a lot of I think a lot of

28:56 general misconceptions about Roswell. How many craft were there? What you said there

29:04 was an explosion? Right? Was there a mini air collision? Now?

29:11 And how did the military lock down the scene? Yes? Okay? Uh.

29:17 Press release goes out at noon on Tuesday, July eighth. Now,

29:22 the base commander's boss, Colonel William Blantard's boss is Genial Roger Ramy, who's

29:27 the head of the eighth Air Force, which is headquartered in Fort Worth at

29:33 Carswell Army Airfield. Now, RAIMI decides to have a press conference. They're

29:37 gonna display the material to the media, but they don't have it. They're

29:42 not going to have it in Roswell, they have it in Fort Worth.

29:47 They're going to have it in his office. So Major Marcel, one of

29:52 the two intel officers first sent out to investigate, is ordered onto a B

29:56 twenty nine bomber called Dave's. He has some of the actual wreckage with him

30:03 up in the cockpit, and unbeknownst to him, brown paper wrap packages are

30:10 loaded up into the bomb bay they arrive in fort Worth. Marcel would take

30:15 some of the material and put it on General Raymie's desk. Raimi takes him

30:21 to a map room check out the location. When they return, Marcell is

30:26 shocked to see that the material is gone. Someone's removed it from the office,

30:33 and in his place, under brown wrapping paper on the floor in front

30:38 of the desk is a clump of rotting neoprene rubber balloon and a radar reflector

30:45 kite, all shredded up, comprised of foil, wooden sticks, string and

30:52 tape. Off the shelf material. Any five year old child would have recognized.

30:59 There's a hallway of reporters waiting to see the just arrived pieces of the

31:06 flying saucer from Roswell with General Rainey would only allow one reporter into the room.

31:14 So much for a press conference. Yeah, that's that's not a press

31:17 conference. That's an exclusive conference open to the press. So one reporter who

31:26 we interviewed on numerous occasions, and that was reporter James B. Johnson of

31:33 the Fort Worth Star Telegram, and General Rainey would order Major Marcel to crouch

31:40 down and hold up sections of the kite and can I take please? Can

31:48 I I'm gonna right now, right now, we'll be showing the image.

31:55 I swear you can see Marcel's look on his face, so the surprise just

32:02 in his in his eyes, you can you can see the truth that what

32:08 am I doing right now? What is you could tell? And then I

32:15 mean it was it just it wreaked, It reaked of of something smelled and

32:22 and Stephen Bassett said it best that that plastic inn tinfoil. You're telling me

32:29 that the the Marcel couldn't tell a weather balloon from a from an alien craft.

32:37 This guy was was the most elite of the elite. And now he's

32:40 being made officer in the entire US military. At that time and and and

32:50 I didn't know that about the reporter. Only one reporter allowed in who had

32:54 ties to Raymie already, because he had un and each other well, so

33:00 he could he could put the spin off right because they, yeah, they

33:05 have relationship. He would tell the story exactly as Raymie would instruct him too,

33:12 because he wants stories. And once the balloon had been substituted, as

33:19 far as Johnson at the newspaper was concerned, that was the end of the

33:24 entire Flying Saucer scare. The idea that, you know, the War of

33:30 the World's broadcast had just happened nine years earlier, still fresh in their memories,

33:36 and boy, we just bit that bullet. So we're once again safe

33:39 to only worry now about the Soviet Union, nothing else but reshell. He's

33:45 kept overnight. He's not allowed to fly back to Roswell till the next evening.

33:52 They needed to make sure he remained in hiding in cognito. Couldn't orders,

34:00 couldn't get to him precise and he was already he had already been ordered

34:04 by Raymie not to say a word to any of the reporters to report back

34:09 to headquarters. They kept him overnight and even and then he was ordered you

34:15 are not to even discuss this with your wife once you return home. Okay,

34:21 I'm being ordered by a general. I have to follow that order.

34:25 I faced court. I'm being court martialed if I disobey that. Well,

34:30 and people had a good no. But I was gonna mention the fact that

34:39 you brought up Tyler, the expression, the look on Marcella's face, and

34:45 then being kept till the next evening in fort Worth, and then the next

34:51 morning when he returns back to the base. He lived off the base.

34:55 He returns back to the base, he goes to the intel office. He

35:00 goes to the counter intelligence officer who he had accompanied him out to the debris

35:07 field three days before, and that was Captain Sheridan Cabot. We have Cabot

35:16 acknowledging the discussion, as well as his noncommissioned officer, Paster Sergeant Lewis Rickett,

35:24 that Marcel demanded from Cabot to see the report what has been happening here

35:31 regarding this while I've been gone. I demanded the report and Cabot kept responding,

35:39 what report? I don't know what you're talking about. And Marcel,

35:45 you damn well know you and I were both out there. I didn't go

35:49 anywhere. What are you talking about? So he's playing completely dumb to the

35:53 whole ordeal. And then Marcel finally went, God, damn it, I

36:00 rank you. I'm ordering you. And then Kevic goes, Jess, it's

36:06 out of our hands. Washington is now calling the shots. Take it up

36:10 with them, Jesus. So yeah, from there, you know, what

36:17 can you like? You can only go so far, right as And at

36:23 that point, Marcel's just probably feels defeated. He's been made to look like

36:29 kind of a fool, right, He's just and he probably just wants to

36:32 be Yeah, And he's been assured, he's been assured that he should just

36:39 be patient, that the truth will all come out. Someday he'll be vindicated,

36:45 he'll be exonerate, he'll be a hero. And as I think,

36:49 you know the timeline, he waits five years, ten years, fifteen years,

36:53 Just be a good soldier, Marcel. It's all going to come out.

36:58 It's thirty years after the incidents, and it's only because he's been diagnosed

37:04 with terminal emphysema and he realizes they're never coming out with the truth. But

37:10 that's what he does. That's when he goes public and that's when he stated

37:15 on the record what he held in his very hands was not made on this

37:21 earth. You don't get any more direct than that. Nope. And and

37:28 you know that's one of the things that I find to be that was that

37:35 that moment that he came out and finally just said it. You know,

37:39 what people had thought and what he was unwilling to really say before. Once

37:46 he came out and said no, this. You know, I don't know

37:51 the first report or first interview he did, but I know that. You

37:54 know, there's that famous one where he's kind of out in the field talking

37:59 about what he's know, was picking up and the the he was talking about

38:05 how it felt in his hand, and it's it's hearing a person like that

38:10 talk about this. It it was just it was like Gordon Cooper, it

38:15 was like, no bullshit, it was he was just being straightforward. This

38:19 is a straightforward guys. He you know, he he's even patriotic, right

38:23 like they were. These guys came from a different era. They were taught

38:27 to for for for love in their country, right the water post World War

38:34 Two, they oh yeah, yeah, the world from Nazi Germany and Imperial

38:42 Japan, and to then have that torn away from you where you become the

38:50 lapping stock, where you're the gullible one who isn't able as I And I

38:58 know where Steve Bassett got that from. He got that from us, because

39:01 we've often had that discussion the idea that's coming with that level of training would

39:08 misidentify something that a five year old would have identified. You know, the

39:15 Air Force, you know their fallback is all as well. You know we've

39:20 often explained fly you at such reports as weather balloons. Yes, well,

39:27 the difference is that's at ten thousand feet. I mean we've all seen I

39:32 mean a balloon at ten thousand feet and if it's compressed by the jet current

39:40 and it becomes more elliptoid, and it might reflect the sun and you don't

39:45 see any wings or any tail section, and it may bob and weave and

39:51 move rather erradically or isn't that unusual? The difference is with Roswell, it's

39:57 on the ground in front of you. It's the one and only time in

40:02 the history of the military that a weather balloon was misidentified as a flying saucer.

40:13 Elite unit within the military, that right there should be the end of

40:16 the discussion and of the debate. How is that conceivable? We might argue,

40:23 well, maybe one uneducated, you know, untrained you know, person

40:30 who swept the broom in case squad, that type of thing. And I

40:36 also point out, Tyler, that every individual, everyone on that base back

40:42 in nineteen forty seven had a top security clearance for the atomic bomb. If

40:46 you swept the broom on that base back in nineteen forty seven, it was

40:51 because you were the best sweeper in the entire US. Still security clearance for

40:59 the atomic bomb. And the idea that not just one, but dozens hundreds

41:06 of person off net base not a one step forward and said, wait a

41:10 minute here, I think this is really a balloon, not a one,

41:16 not a one because it wasn't major to his deathbed told us the truth.

41:22 This was something not made on this earth. And it sucks that we have

41:28 to, you know, kind of rely on those deathbed confessions in it,

41:31 and you know it, it does. It sucks because it's always a race

41:36 with the undertaker, uh, in a lot of these cases. But I

41:40 think so so uh, A craft, a craft comes down that night,

41:49 one craft, but one craft. Okay, People often talk about beings.

42:00 What can you tell us about that? Okay, this has been in the

42:04 news a lot lately, non human biologics, So you know, I want

42:08 to tell you we heard it firsthand from the people who were there, both

42:13 military and civilian, even the very rancher WW Brazo, who first discovers the

42:20 debris field. He was the manager on that seventy five thousand acre ranch back

42:25 at that time, seven hundred head of cattle, seven hundred head of sheep,

42:31 especially after a bad lightning storm in the high desert. The lightning,

42:37 and we witnessed it on numerous occasions ourselves. The lightning strikes the ground its

42:45 high desert. Yeah, because it's high desert and there's a lot of static

42:50 charge in the air, right, the livestock would also get struck. So

42:57 it was typical after a bad store that Brazo would start watching for circling birds,

43:06 suggesting a downed animal, and they would go immediately investigate that site,

43:14 expecting either a cow or she instruct a lightning from the storm the day or

43:22 night before. Okay, Well, he was in the company of his son

43:28 vernon A, their nearest neighbor's son Floyda Lo Rettaprocter's son, Timothy d And

43:36 there was a son of a hired hand that was Sydney Wright. And there

43:42 was a young girl by the the last name of Eddington. We feel we

43:47 determine who she was, but we never did find her, but we have

43:52 enough information to know that she was also there. Well, they discovered two

43:57 bodies atop a fluff about two and a half miles east southeast of the debris

44:05 field. And it was no animal. They weren't not an animal. Yeah,

44:12 they were not from here. As as Braso in being interviewed by radio

44:19 station reporter or radio KGFL reporter Frank Joyce, and Joyce was suggesting, maybe

44:27 they could have been monkeys. Maybe they're launching those rockets, those V two

44:31 German rockets recovered after World War Two at the White Sands Proving Grounds. Maybe

44:38 they put a monkey in one of those nose cones, to which Brasol fired

44:44 back. They weren't any goddamn monkeys. They weren't human. It's just it's

44:52 so sometimes like the excuses and the skeptical side of things and this, like

44:59 the people that put forward the skeptical narrative. It's it's more outlandish than if

45:04 it was just an alien. It's like what really a monkey in New Mexico

45:15 testing v two rockets they put one in the nose cone just for fun.

45:20 But that was before Frank Joyce, the reporter, then learned what he was

45:25 talking about, and he came to totally believe it. He told he totally

45:30 accepted that this was going on behind the very inquisitiveness and search for answers by

45:42 the media at that time. And what truly convinced him is when he had

45:46 his office ramsacked by the military as they were grabbing every note, every reference

45:55 anything in his office to the case, to the incident, and then he

46:00 realized it was much bigger than they realized. Yeah, right, violation of

46:07 their First Amendment rights. So it was happening, happening even back then.

46:13 They essentially shut Roswell off from the world back then, making sure that this

46:17 was totally contained. Do you think that they were Do you think that they

46:23 were trained for that circumstance already or do you think that that was one of

46:29 the first ones, the first crash that I accept based on their behavior,

46:37 The fact that they treated this as it was an extraordinary event, The fact

46:43 that when the Rancher first reported it, and then when it led to the

46:51 five or ninth at the Rosware Airfield being informed, they treated it as though

46:57 it was the first time. It wasn't like, oh my god, it

47:00 happened again, or we got another one, or this this wreckage resemble was

47:04 the last one, that type of thing. No, they behaved as though

47:07 it was the first time. Okay, okay, Now, the whole concept,

47:14 the whole idea that they shut down. They shut down Roswell, the

47:22 radio station for example, KGFL. They received a threat to lose their license

47:30 if they didn't shut the story immediately down. Associate Press out of Albertquerque tried

47:37 to put out the story over the wire's service and it was intercepted by the

47:42 FBI. We have a witness to that effect that the FBI intercepted a transmission

47:47 and told them to cease immediately, that this was a major national security situation.

47:55 Balloons aren't national security, and Project Mogul wouldn't have been you know,

48:01 I know, years later they tried to say it was Project Mogul. Project

48:05 Mogul wouldn't even have constituted the lockdown and the suppression of information none whatsoever.

48:14 And then the fact that they kidnapped, they abducted the ranch form and they

48:23 abducted Brazil. After the bride's explanation, the balloon press story it sticks.

48:34 Marcel is kept in Fort Worth. He's the one in the very press release

48:39 where they announced the capture the Flying Saucer. His is the only name mentioned

48:46 in that press release. Well, he's not available for any interviews for any

48:52 comment. The very base commander Colonel Blanchard, he announces he's going on on

49:00 leave. How convenient when in reality even his head of operations, who was

49:08 Colonel William Briley, told us the leave was a blind that's what he called

49:17 it. It was disinformation because in reality, what Blanchard did was he set

49:23 up a base of operation at the crash site. That's where they set up

49:30 headquarters. So he took a leave, but he just took a leave to

49:34 the of the recovery operation exactly. Is then abducted. He's kept for five

49:43 days at the guesthouse. We we've been to that guesthouse as they called it.

49:50 It's gone now, but it was not far from the front gate.

49:54 What is that It was just a multi room. As far as elongated building,

50:05 it's like a small little house, but they jokingly call it the guesthouse.

50:09 Okay, but he's deprived of food and water, he's deprived of sleep.

50:17 They question him and ask him the same questions over and over and over

50:25 again, and then when he finally breaks, they escort him to the two

50:32 newspapers, to the two radio stations, where he recants. He retracts everything

50:42 he has said previously, and it's not that he didn't mean to create all

50:51 this hullabaloo about something as mundane as a weather balloon. So he's at radio

50:59 station KG and he's for the first time speaking to that same reporter who suggested

51:08 that they could have put a monkey in a V two rocket. And so

51:14 they're meeting for the first time, and he has him on the air,

51:21 and he's a gasp at the fact that here the man who told him they

51:29 weren't human is now saying it's just the weather balloon. So he takes him

51:32 off off mike. He walks out into the front lobby with him and it's

51:38 like, mister Brasl, I don't understand what are you talking about? And

51:45 Joyce would tell us that Brasl stood there, put his hand on his shoulder

51:50 and went son. They told me it would go awful hard on me if

51:55 I didn't do exactly as they told me. And that's when Joyce looked out

52:01 the front glass door and saw two MPs standing there waiting. So then he

52:09 saw what was going on. So Bras turned and started to exit, and

52:15 before he reached the door, he turned back and he said to Joyce,

52:22 mister Joyce, you know how they talk about little green men, They weren't

52:28 green woo. So it came back full circle, came back full circle.

52:36 Now top that, let me put this cherry on top of this float.

52:43 They've kept Brass for five days. They finally break him. One of the

52:46 means by which they broke him, now can you imagine, And he would

52:51 talk about this afterwards. He would talk about the indignity, how disgraced he

52:58 was. They subjected him to a full body cavity search. Man, there's

53:05 any skeptic, any debunker want to go and talk to the Brazo family today

53:12 and try to convince them that they were looking for a piece of a mobile

53:15 balloon. Yeah, that's absolutely absurd. Yes, But you know what the

53:25 answer their pat answer for all this is, well, they're lying. They're

53:30 lying. Everything's a lie. Yeah, everyone's a liar. Everyone's a liar.

53:36 Well, lest we forget that the man who testified before that Congretsionate committee

53:43 a few weeks ago, they were under all, they were under all,

53:46 and a point being, I can assure you if this would have been done

53:51 at the time that all of our arousbel witnesses were still alive, I had

53:54 absolutely no doubt they would have stated this on the record, under oath for

54:01 fear and with no fear of perjuring themselves whatsoever, right it would be.

54:09 Now, what do you think of of of what's going on lately? You

54:16 know, we know Grush has has been given has been given the skiff,

54:22 So he's going to be able to relay information to those who are cleared to

54:28 hear said information. But he's going to be able to give a list of

54:31 hostile and non hostile witnesses forty of them to Congress, locations, names,

54:39 people, places, things. What do you think this is going to do

54:45 for the topic going forward? If anything at all? What what's said right

54:52 now is that because of the present situation with you know, social media and

55:00 just the way the whole world is is connected. Right now that we have

55:05 the twenty four hour news cycle, that from one diversion, one distraction to

55:09 another, and we could have a major break. We could have another major

55:16 whistle blower. And I would take a little discretion with even calling David Grush

55:28 a whistle blower, because it'd right strictly second third hand. The very definition

55:35 of a whistleblower is firsthand in the which you can demonstrate what you're saying,

55:39 but he can't provide names. And with their subpoena power that they can bring

55:46 these people in, they could be granted immunity, they can testify behind closed

55:51 doors if necessary. But what I'm concerned about, Tyler, is that we

55:57 could have a major announcement it at any time, and all it would take

56:02 is one major global incident such as the war in Israel or you are anywhere,

56:09 and just like that it would be buried. Yeah. Yeah, Well,

56:15 I mean kind of kind of ironic, isn't it that that you know

56:24 all this stuff? I mean, it blows my mind. How so we

56:30 were getting so close and then you know Hamas and and and and the whole

56:37 thing, you know, because obviously that's going to take front and center stage

56:42 for a while, because not only is that happening, but we're still dealing

56:45 with the war in Ukraine and with Russia and that proxy. Now we have

56:51 Israel and and a faction of Palestine terrorists, the Hamas, and you know

56:59 is it. Could you blame any politician for not having the time to talk

57:04 about UFOs, Yes, of course, right, but right this is something

57:08 that I think needs to be talked about because all these wars being fought are

57:15 over my it's it's minutia, it's it's, it's it's in contrast with UFO

57:22 dress. Yeah, with UAPs, you're talking about the biggest story of the

57:27 millennium human history, and yet we're dealing with events that are tidless because yeah,

57:39 they're primitive, they're barbarian. Uh. The late Stetton Friedman used to

57:44 often joke about, you used to imagine any intelligence off the planet monitoring our

57:49 daily radio and television transmissions, and what would be the primary theme that would

57:53 come across day in and day out, Well, that we're a barbaric,

57:58 primitive race of people whose primary preactivity is tribal warfare. We don't get along

58:06 with our families, we don't get along with our neighbors, we don't get

58:07 along within our communities and then from state to state, country to country,

58:12 and it's like we're gonna land on the White House front lawn there and they're

58:15 not gonna shoot us. Oh, that's what in the movie The Day of

58:19 the Earth Studs. Now, that's exactly what we do. First thing we

58:22 do is we shoot first. Thing we do. That's that's that's the problem.

58:27 That's the problem with our current society, and is we shoot first and

58:31 ask questions later, and that our attention span and as a result, like

58:37 the old saying, don't bother me with the facts, my mind is made

58:42 up, or I just want to remain whether the ignorance is bliss, the

58:46 idea that the less I know. And I'm afraid that too many people also

58:52 treat our subject, this subject as entertainment. It's it's something sci fi sci

59:00 fi. It's a great diversion, a great distraction. Well, if it's

59:07 the genuine article, if it's really happening, it's more. It's much more

59:10 than that. And especially if we're talking about an intelligence is monitoring our big

59:17 ground, our perpetual recess right now, and at the point that the bullies

59:24 finally get out of hand, they're going to intercede and go, Okay,

59:30 we're going to grow up right now. And enough of this. The experiment

59:34 has failed you people. This human race cannot be trusted without being supervised any

59:42 longer. And so there's much much more at stake, and especially as they

59:46 continue the bandits, you know, the word armageddon and the apotment. They're

59:52 not going to let us into space. They're not going to let us out

59:55 there if we continue act the way we act down here, if they you

1:00:04 know, the Brookings, the Brookings Institute. In nineteen sixty they were contracted

1:00:12 to a study by NASA which was presented to Congress, and the study was,

1:00:16 in the event of contact with an intelligence off the planet, should that

1:00:22 information be made public? And the Brookings Institute's final conclusion was never that in

1:00:30 each and every case demonstrated here within the human species, the human race,

1:00:37 whether by presence, whether by influence, whether by conquest, the higher has

1:00:45 always eliminated the lower. And that would be the concern that if we were

1:00:50 to acknowledge a higher intelligence, it would be to our elimination. De seventy

1:00:59 years ago, years ago, sixty three years ago. Yeah, and and

1:01:04 and we haven't grown up much shit, No, no, we haven't.

1:01:08 And you know, people like to you know, we we'd like to think

1:01:13 that we we are after each of these wars and and and each of these

1:01:19 things is over. You think it's got to be the last one. I

1:01:22 mean your average person, right, we don't. We're not attacking each other

1:01:30 with pitchforks over land and and and crude oil. You know, that's it's

1:01:36 not what's happening. And these these drawn on a map borders. You know,

1:01:43 That's why I have an appreciation for astronauts because and then they say,

1:01:47 you know edgar Mitchell right, prime example, when he looked back upon the

1:01:52 Earth and saw there's no borders. No, no, there's we live on

1:02:00 this beautiful oasis of a planet, and we are are ruining it. Were

1:02:07 well, we're taking part in it's it's we're taking part in and in in

1:02:17 a genocide that potentially will create to our detriment, will be our self extinction.

1:02:25 The idea that I look back through history and for all of the great

1:02:31 music and architecture and art and literature, that we would destroy everything conceivable,

1:02:40 everything that humankind has accomplished in all these thousands of years, for the sake

1:02:46 of people fighting over borders, for people fighting over possessions, for people fighting

1:02:52 over control, and to what end? Because the only people that ever benefit

1:02:59 from war bankers in the war, and the bullet makers and yeah, the

1:03:05 military contractors. Yeah, cemeteries are full of people that have never even seen

1:03:13 adulthood and for whose benefits? That is the tragedy in all this, and

1:03:19 suggests that we're any more intelligent, No at all, we're The only thing

1:03:24 is our weapons have gotten more. Yeah, literal, brutal, brutal like

1:03:34 you you can you can murder. You can murder a village from the comfort

1:03:39 of your desk at the Yeah, you know whatever, annihilate, annihilate of

1:03:51 Yeah, it's it's it's and and and sleep at night, noing, I

1:03:58 just killed up men, women and children, children. Yeah, and there

1:04:02 are too proud. So do you think I have a question? Do you

1:04:08 think? Do you think so the pilots of these craft? I don't want

1:04:14 to speculate too far here, but I have a couple of questions before we

1:04:18 go. A do you think they've been here longer than us? And B

1:04:24 do you think that they would ever intervene if it was at a doomsday situation?

1:04:33 Well? Well, first, of all, one thing that we often

1:04:36 speculate about is that I, as we started the program and that wave of

1:04:43 sightings in that summer of nineteen forty seven, that's just two years after the

1:04:47 first detonation of the atomic bomb in July of nineteen forty five, Trinity Site

1:04:55 two hours west of Roswell. Yeah, yep, that flash, that first

1:05:00 atomic flash like a beacon, is still traversing out through our own Milky Way

1:05:06 galaxy, right, absolutely, like an intelligent signal. And was that the

1:05:13 trigger? Was that the thing that alerted someone to our presence here? You

1:05:18 know, three rocks from the sun, so to speak. Right, we've

1:05:24 entered. We've entered is somewhat of an adulthood. Yeah, modern age of

1:05:29 UFOs. Now, it doesn't deny and I see good reason or at least

1:05:38 enough artifacts and enough peculiarities to suggest that we've been visited for potentially centuries,

1:05:45 thousands of years before us. No, because first of all, how can

1:05:53 we determine that right short of you know, carbon dating that would have but

1:05:59 they'd have to leave an artific act, they'd have to provide something. Well,

1:06:01 my thought is, you know, what what if? What if?

1:06:05 What if they pushed the asteroid that killed the dinosaurs, so they that they

1:06:11 could use Earth as it's a laboratory eventually, you know, because because there's

1:06:20 no way that that intelligent life could form on a planet with such creatures,

1:06:28 right because we we would not be the top of the food chain. We

1:06:30 would be you know, cave dwelling, and we would never make it out

1:06:35 of that cave because we'd be constantly hiding from the the t rexes and and

1:06:43 all that. So could that great reset of our planet have been instituted by

1:06:50 a higher intelligence to almost make way for life, to make way for a

1:07:00 different type of life, an intelligent life, one that they could maybe use

1:07:05 as a resource. These are all things that I'm speculating about, but you

1:07:12 know, I just like to get people's thoughts and and I know the ancient

1:07:15 alien theories popular, and I know, you know, there's a lot of

1:07:23 tales in the Bible, and and you know the Ezekiel's wheel and all these

1:07:29 things, and you know, uh correlations that you know, could the UFO

1:07:33 just be a word that gets changed over time from fairies or divine intervention to

1:07:45 UFOs? Well as we in our deepening exploration throughout our galaxy and even other

1:07:57 galaxies. We're we're finding planets, We're finding potentially inhabitable planets. In fact,

1:08:04 some it's already been suggested that are less hostile than our planet, especially

1:08:12 back during the Jurassic and the period of the dinosaurs was very hostile. Oh,

1:08:16 it was very volatile. Yeah, And the idea that, well,

1:08:21 just why focus on this planet when you could easily find something much more you

1:08:29 know, inhabitable. So it's an interesting theory, but I don't foresee how

1:08:34 we could, you know. I think the closest thing we could do is

1:08:39 determine once and for all of that it was indeed an asteroid that precipitated the

1:08:45 extinction of the dinosaurs. That was a near life extinction event, and as

1:08:53 a result, it did wipe out especially the larger species of that that larger

1:09:01 species. Yeah, I mean we see we see remnants of them, like

1:09:05 you know, turtles and alligators and are part of that that same family,

1:09:12 that same reptile family in fact larger versions. But uh, anthropologists, zoologists

1:09:20 are willing to accept that these very reptiles that co exists with us today,

1:09:29 that exist during those experiences as well, absolutely modern dinosaurs. And then you

1:09:35 asked about intervention. I guess there is the other problem with that is anytime

1:09:42 one attempts to think alien, what would they do or what should they do?

1:09:48 Instead of what should we do? If it's a concetant, well we

1:09:53 need to have hope, Well, we need to be responsible for our own

1:09:58 actions. We need to just like, if there is a knowledge and awareness

1:10:04 that we are dealing with an intelligence off planet, what good has it ever

1:10:10 done to horde that information? To deprive the world world from a story of

1:10:16 that magnitude, which would put us in our place, would show us that

1:10:21 we are merely Earthlings. We all coexist on this spaceship Earth, sharing the

1:10:29 same resources, the same air, the same food, the same water,

1:10:34 and we're hardly the top of the food chain. That there are others out

1:10:41 there. And as a result, we either get our own ship in order

1:10:47 so to speak, our own we ride our own house, and as a

1:10:51 result, maybe then we might finally advance into the galact neighborhood. We join

1:11:01 our right join our cosmic brothers precisely, and until then, this may just

1:11:13 be an experiment in watching the the Aborigines and to see at what point are

1:11:21 they going to? You know, discover the wheel, right right, and

1:11:30 so we I I know I was mentioning about myself too at one point,

1:11:35 the idea that intervention, But I would not place any hope in that because

1:11:44 then it's a false hope, because we allow the doomsday clock to then get

1:11:48 to a second before midnight, and then we're going to be all going,

1:11:51 where are you? Where are you now? Right? Well? There,

1:11:56 you know, it's funny. There are some interesting videos coming out of Israel

1:12:02 where it looks like something is flying parallel to a missile and puts it off

1:12:13 track and then zooms over and pushes another one off track, and well,

1:12:20 it's it's really compelling footage. Maybe I'll inter cut it here. But I

1:12:26 don't think like you said. I think we need to be responsible for our

1:12:29 own actions, and we can't. We can't. You know, our mommy

1:12:33 and daddy aren't always around, right, So we need to We need to

1:12:38 be able to to clean up our own messes. And part of cleaning up

1:12:42 our own messes is advancing past a state that we we we engage in these

1:12:50 primitive acts of war. The start of the cover up with this secrecy,

1:12:58 it might have been in good intention, right, Maybe there was too much

1:13:00 going on with the Cold War and you know, just coming out of World

1:13:05 War two and all that. But right now I think the world could use

1:13:11 something to unite them, and this information might just be that it could.

1:13:15 It could very well, And that may be another reason that they are so

1:13:20 close mould about it, because overnight we'd all become earthlings. Presently, we

1:13:27 are all Chinese, We all are allegiance to our respective leaders within each country.

1:13:34 And even even sorry to keep cutting you off, even you and I,

1:13:40 Right, you live in whatever state, I live in whatever state.

1:13:45 Right, So we have our you know, we have the we we have

1:13:50 our differences, and we have our YadA, YadA YadA, but we tend

1:13:54 to forget that you and I, the only difference is where we have our

1:14:01 environment. Yeah, our experience. Like an IQ test, people always think

1:14:08 it's an intelligence test. No, it's an environment test. Essentially tests as

1:14:14 far as your life experience with That's why people who have grown up in the

1:14:18 city will score will test differently than people that have grown up in a world.

1:14:24 Environment's got nothing to do with their intelligence, and so that's a misnomer.

1:14:30 And I think there too that whether you have rivalries between schools, universities,

1:14:38 you have rivalries between towns and states, what have you, and then

1:14:43 certain countries that that as a result, I mean, when they're they're done

1:14:49 with a level of healthy competition where it then enables people to strive to be

1:14:59 at their best, to excel in certain things, and as a result,

1:15:03 you know, they become inspirational, motivational, rest of them. But you

1:15:11 don't see people at the end of a football game then go out and scrape

1:15:16 all the bodies off the playing field because they've been pummeled and you know,

1:15:21 pile drive into the turf. Right, So they should serve as our war

1:15:28 games. These should serve as the level of competition. I mean, my

1:15:31 god, we have the Olympics. I was just gonna say as the ultimate

1:15:40 competition between countries. And the moment you start shooting rockets and bullets and one

1:15:45 another, there should be somebody who could steps in and goes, well,

1:15:49 we're gonna freeze all your funds, we're gonna shut you down, We're gonna

1:15:54 close you off until you once again behave Well here was that was what NATO

1:16:00 was supposed to be. But you know, unfortunately, yeah, yeah,

1:16:09 question before you go, I would because again. I'm uh, I know

1:16:13 that you'll be back on the show, and I really would like to get

1:16:16 I want to do something, and I still need to ask you a question

1:16:19 after So if you don't mind sticking around just just a minute, we'll wrap

1:16:26 up right here. But my final question to you is, oh, god,

1:16:31 wow, I just lost my whole train of thought. Not the best

1:16:40 way to end the show. Wow, terrible, What a terrible way to

1:16:45 end the show. We've been getting pretty deep. So we have been getting

1:16:50 pretty deep. But what do you what do you think is next for you

1:16:55 athology? What do you think is next for what do you think comes next?

1:17:02 Those of us who have been students, historians, in the field,

1:17:09 investigators, I'm afraid too many of the new entries, the new people,

1:17:16 the new kids on the block, so to speak, they rely too much

1:17:19 on the internet, too much on social media. It's their go to to

1:17:26 enlighten themselves become experts on the subject. Well, first of all, how

1:17:30 do you become an expert on UFO is when it's still is this enigma that

1:17:33 nobody has any answers to That in itself is a misnomer. But then you

1:17:40 never put boots on the ground that's right. You need to get out onto

1:17:45 the battlefield, into the trenches. You need to actually, uh sit down

1:17:49 and talk to the scholars, speak to the people that have walked the walk,

1:17:54 who have been there, who have talked to all the premieer witnesses who

1:17:59 were there first hand. It'd be no different than for those of us whether

1:18:05 it was nine to eleven or like the Kennedy assassination in nineteen sixty three.

1:18:12 It's one thing to read a book on the subject, but to talk to

1:18:15 the people who were there, to talk, to go on to the battlefield,

1:18:21 so to speak, and to take it in and to feel the essence

1:18:27 of what transpired there that created that situation. That's what I'm I'm afraid we're

1:18:34 losing it because now we're they're very arbiters of the cover up, and that

1:18:41 being the Pentagon for the last seventy six years, we now expect that they're

1:18:45 going to roll over and just hand it all over. They won't do it

1:18:48 tomorrow now without a fight. No, no, And as far as they

1:18:55 are the ones who hold all the cards, and as a resultress can say

1:19:00 all they want, well, we demand, we demand, we demand.

1:19:03 Well, I'm trying to think of the last time that Congress demanded anything got

1:19:10 there because as well, right right, And it is refreshing to see them

1:19:18 bipartisan on the UFO topic. But it is, it is maybe. But

1:19:28 now once again reality is set in the world. I mean, life happens,

1:19:33 and I've gone, yeah, let's go take a back seat to whatever

1:19:39 happened. And Steve Steve Bassett, and I'm trying to get Richard Dolan,

1:19:45 but he's impossible to reach. I have his phone number and email and he

1:19:49 just impable, very slow, and yeah he does not return yeah, yeah,

1:19:54 So but I'm trying to get them too on a show. I'd love

1:19:59 to bring all of you guys in and do a roundtable. But what are

1:20:03 you working on now? I've done quite a few with Steve, so yeah,

1:20:08 I could easily get Steve on if you'd like that. Yeah, I

1:20:11 would love that. Steve's a good friend of mine as well. Richard has

1:20:15 its own Richard has his own podcast, so maybe it's just the case of

1:20:19 he only does his own yeah, yeah, yeah, So what are you

1:20:25 working on now? How can people follow you and make sure that they're staying

1:20:30 up to date with what you are going on? Our website was hacked by

1:20:34 Chinese gambling Elliott. I don't understand why Roso Investigator. You go to rosow

1:20:44 Investigator. That's a Chinese gambling site. Okay, but I'm on Facebook under

1:20:50 Donald Raymond Schmidt. I post things daily. I respond to all questions.

1:20:57 I love the interaction. I keep it strictly UFOs, strictly Roswell, but

1:21:03 feel free as far as and if you like, will be below as well.

1:21:12 And all of our books are at Barnes and Noble and certainly at Amazon.

1:21:16 I know you were displaying the jackets of those earlier, so those books

1:21:21 are presently available. And then we also I'm the lead investigator at the International

1:21:27 Yupil Museum and Research Center in Roswell, as well as I'm the North American

1:21:33 representative of the International Coalition on Extraterrestrial Research. We are thirty one countries that

1:21:41 are pushing towards recognition with UNESCO, where we'll be able to then present papers

1:21:47 at the United Nations. So we're looking at the much bigger pictures. So

1:21:55 we're even going beyond the whole congressional hearing situation in that if we can't get

1:22:00 the United States to open their files let's then do it on a global level.

1:22:06 And when that that the truth would come from outside and not from here.

1:22:12 Well, I hope you, I hope you invite me along for that

1:22:16 one. Just kidding, but no, I'm not kidding at all. So

1:22:25 no, Don, You've been amazing, and thank you so much for for

1:22:28 being on the show tonight. I've had such a great time and we'll definitely

1:22:31 have you back on very very soon. Stick around for just one moment.

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