AVI LOEB & TY ROBERTS- Uniting UFO Community- 3I/ATLAS & Search For Extraterrestrial Life

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0:59 Speaker 1: So I would just go very briefly on other topics,

1:02 Speaker 1: even though you know we could have spent a full

1:04 Speaker 1: hour on those, but I will just go very quickly

1:10 Speaker 1: because we want to discuss three a atlas. It's a

1:12 Speaker 1: very timely subject. So in general, obviously we don't know

1:17 Speaker 1: where is the nearest neighbor in our cosmic neighborhood. And

1:20 Speaker 1: we know there are one hundred billion stars in the

1:22 Speaker 1: Midway Galaxy and most of them form before the Sun,

1:26 Speaker 1: billions of years before the Sun. So it's completely reasonable

1:29 Speaker 1: to search for things like us out there. And then

1:34 Speaker 1: when Enrico Fermi asked where is everybody? He didn't really

1:38 Speaker 1: build a telescope to search. And this is a question

1:42 Speaker 1: that every lonely person asks. And what is usually said

1:47 Speaker 1: is extraordinary claim require exceordinary evidence, But extraordinary evidence requires

1:53 Speaker 1: exceordinary funding. You know, you need to dedicate resources, and

1:57 Speaker 1: unfortunately the mainstream of the astronomy community is not doing that.

2:01 Speaker 1: They're obsessed with microbs. And I say, you know, we

2:06 Speaker 1: should invest billions of dollars in the search for alien

2:10 Speaker 1: intelligence because frankly, when we read the news every day

2:15 Speaker 1: on what's happening here on this Earth, you know, it's

2:18 Speaker 1: clear that there is room for improvement, that our intelligence

2:21 Speaker 1: is really not the best that you can hope for,

2:23 Speaker 1: and maybe someone from our neighborhood will bring a better

2:26 Speaker 1: sense of intelligence. And so let me skip on the

2:31 Speaker 1: details here and the fact that you know, I'm involved

2:36 Speaker 1: in the Galileo project, which is searching for unidentified anomalous

2:43 Speaker 1: phenomena the earsh atmosphere, following three reports that were submitted

2:48 Speaker 1: to the US Congress by the Director of National Intelligence.

2:52 Speaker 1: And we have a number of instruments in every observatory

2:55 Speaker 1: that we have, and we have three observatories. The latest

2:58 Speaker 1: one was in the DA And I will not get

3:03 Speaker 1: into details, but the main thing that is recently in

3:07 Speaker 1: the news has to do with interstellar objects. And here,

3:13 Speaker 1: you know, there are four objects that were discussed in

3:18 Speaker 1: the scientific literature, the most recent is the three eye Atlas,

3:22 Speaker 1: discovered on July first, twenty twenty five. These four objects

3:27 Speaker 1: came from outside the Solar System, and they have different sizes.

3:31 Speaker 1: It looks like three eye Atlas is the biggest, but

3:34 Speaker 1: a large margin. It's at least ten times bigger than

3:37 Speaker 1: the others, meaning it's at least a thousand times more

3:41 Speaker 1: massive than the others. And it's just it makes no

3:44 Speaker 1: sense that you have there will be an object a

3:48 Speaker 1: thousand times more massive without seeing a thousand smaller objects

3:52 Speaker 1: before that. We saw only a few before that, and

3:55 Speaker 1: so maybe it's a rama, as discussed in the novel

4:03 Speaker 1: re Rendezvous with Rama, the science fiction novel by autul

4:06 Speaker 1: Ce Clark, because the dimensions are similar of all the

4:09 Speaker 1: tents of kilometers in diameter, and there were a number

4:15 Speaker 1: of observations already, I mean, there were two hundred and

4:17 Speaker 1: twenty seven observatories around the globe that looked at three iAtlas.

4:23 Speaker 1: I receved last week. I analyzed the four thousand data

4:27 Speaker 1: points from these observatories on the path the tree iAtlas

4:32 Speaker 1: took and given that it I mean it lost mass

4:38 Speaker 1: in the direction of the Sun. We see that in

4:40 Speaker 1: the hubble telescope image here on the right. It's elongated

4:45 Speaker 1: towards the sun, not away from the Sun. And it's

4:48 Speaker 1: not fully understood why. But actually we're looking at it

4:51 Speaker 1: almost John, we're seeing a jet that is ten times

4:56 Speaker 1: longer than it is why towards the Sun. I should

5:00 Speaker 1: have given a recoil to the object, just the momentum conservation,

5:04 Speaker 1: but we don't see a deviation of the trajectory from

5:08 Speaker 1: a path that is sculpted by gravity alone. And that

5:12 Speaker 1: means the object is extremely massive, at least thirty three

5:16 Speaker 1: billions thirty three billion tons. This was the limit that

5:22 Speaker 1: I obtained in the paper a week ago based on

5:25 Speaker 1: all the data we have. So it's a very massive object,

5:29 Speaker 1: bigger than five kilometers. If it's solid density and there

5:35 Speaker 1: is a plume of gas around it, mostly carbon dioxide

5:38 Speaker 1: that it was observed by the web telescope Spherux telescope

5:41 Speaker 1: as you can see here, and the plume goes all

5:45 Speaker 1: the way out to three hundred and fifty thousand kilometers

5:48 Speaker 1: away from the nucleus. Not it's made the eighty seven

5:53 Speaker 1: percent out of carbon dioxide and only four percent the water.

5:58 Speaker 1: So very different if people claim that it's a comet.

6:02 Speaker 1: It's very different than comets that we find in the

6:06 Speaker 1: Solar System. And you can see the path of this

6:10 Speaker 1: object at the bottom. It's nearly aligned with the ecliptic

6:14 Speaker 1: plane of the planets within five degrees. You can see

6:17 Speaker 1: three Atlas coming in on the left. And it just

6:21 Speaker 1: came very close to Mars two days ago, twenty nine

6:26 Speaker 1: million kilometers from Mars. And then it will continue on

6:29 Speaker 1: its path and reach a point that is very close

6:33 Speaker 1: to Jupiter on March sixteenth, twenty twenty six. And the

6:39 Speaker 1: question is what's the chance that it will come along

6:42 Speaker 1: the ecliptic plane to this precision. The answer is one

6:45 Speaker 1: in five hundred. But moreover, it comes very close to

6:49 Speaker 1: Mars and Jupiter. For that, the timing needs to be right,

6:53 Speaker 1: because Mars is going around the Sun, and why would

6:56 Speaker 1: it be at the right time at the right place

6:58 Speaker 1: when Mars is close to it? And that requires some

7:02 Speaker 1: fine tuning of the timing of arrival. Even if you

7:05 Speaker 1: maintain this this path, the timing itself is very fine tuned.

7:11 Speaker 1: And so if you multiply the probability for that timing

7:16 Speaker 1: that will come close to Mars and Jupiter, and also

7:18 Speaker 1: the probability that it will be in the ecliptic plane.

7:22 Speaker 1: These are two independent probabilities that you find that it's

7:28 Speaker 1: the chance of it exhibiting this closed passage to Mars

7:32 Speaker 1: and Jupiter is less than one in a million, very

7:35 Speaker 1: small probability, so it's unusually rare. And of course people

7:39 Speaker 1: that claim that it's just a natural comet, they don't

7:42 Speaker 1: explain why it's so aligned with the ecliptic, why does

7:46 Speaker 1: it come so close to Mars and Jupreter. They just

7:48 Speaker 1: say it's you know, it's a coincidence. We happen to

7:51 Speaker 1: be observing the third interstellar objects detected through telescopes set

8:00 Speaker 1: happened to be on a very rare trajectory. Okay, even

8:05 Speaker 1: though the chance is one in a million, there are

8:07 Speaker 1: other anomalies of this one, like we see mostly nickel

8:12 Speaker 1: without much iron coming out of it, and that's the

8:16 Speaker 1: way nickel is appearing in nickel alloys that are industrially produced.

8:23 Speaker 1: There is also a very negative polarization that is observed

8:28 Speaker 1: coming from it, and most recently, less about a week ago, Yes,

8:34 Speaker 1: I realized that it actually arrived from the direction of

8:37 Speaker 1: the vow signal within nine degrees the chance of that

8:41 Speaker 1: again at random is zero point six percent. So maybe

8:45 Speaker 1: the vow signal from nineteen seventy seven was omitted by

8:50 Speaker 1: this object. They were almost from the same direction. So

8:57 Speaker 1: many of these anomalies, you know, are not fully understood.

8:59 Speaker 1: They could be explained perhaps in the future as we

9:02 Speaker 1: understand the nature of the object from a natural origin.

9:06 Speaker 1: That has to do with the composition, It has to

9:09 Speaker 1: do with the the size of the object being so large.

9:13 Speaker 1: Perhaps you know, there is an explanation. But one thing,

9:19 Speaker 1: you know, several things that cannot be easily explained irrespective

9:22 Speaker 1: of how long, how much more data we get, is

9:25 Speaker 1: why is it aligned with the ecliptic plane of the

9:28 Speaker 1: planet that will never go away, that's puzzling forever. And

9:32 Speaker 1: why does it come so close to Mars and and

9:35 Speaker 1: the Jupiter, And why is it more or less from

9:39 Speaker 1: the same direction as the wove signal. You know, these

9:42 Speaker 1: are coincidences that would not be relieved by future data.

9:49 Speaker 1: And three months ago I proposed the scale that is

9:54 Speaker 1: called the Lobe scale. Now there are two papers on

9:58 Speaker 1: it which give gives a rank of zero to an

10:02 Speaker 1: object that is completely natural and a rank of ten

10:06 Speaker 1: to a technological object that could be a threat, a

10:09 Speaker 1: global threat to Earth, to humanity. And I gave three

10:16 Speaker 1: iye Atlas in recent months a rank of four because

10:19 Speaker 1: of these seven anomalies that it has. But the future

10:23 Speaker 1: data may bring it down. It will never go below two,

10:27 Speaker 1: I would say, because the alignment of its trajectory will

10:32 Speaker 1: never go away and the timing of its rejectory will

10:34 Speaker 1: never go away. And these are coincidences that cannot be

10:39 Speaker 1: easily ignored. But if we get more data and it

10:44 Speaker 1: looks as if it's technological, then obviously the ranking will

10:49 Speaker 1: go up. If it maneuvers, for example, or emidst a

10:53 Speaker 1: radio signal, or we see some artificial lights coming from it,

10:58 Speaker 1: or it looks strange because it's It came very close

11:02 Speaker 1: to Mars yes two days ago, and there are seven

11:10 Speaker 1: orbiters around Mars that could have taken data and we

11:14 Speaker 1: haven't seen it was not public yet. The only images

11:17 Speaker 1: we've seen so far, very preliminary, are from the Perseverance Rover.

11:23 Speaker 1: So there are seven different orbiters, one from NASA, the

11:29 Speaker 1: Mars Reconnaissance ORBITA that has a camera called high Rise

11:32 Speaker 1: that can take an image with a pixel resolution of

11:36 Speaker 1: thirty kilometers so we will know much more from that

11:39 Speaker 1: image because the brightest pixel will constrain the area of

11:44 Speaker 1: three a atlas. And then there are European and several

11:48 Speaker 1: European orbiters that could take a spectrum an image, and

11:53 Speaker 1: there is one Chinese orbiter and one from the UAE

11:58 Speaker 1: and other orbitals altogether seven of them, and I really

12:01 Speaker 1: look forward to seeing that data when it comes out.

12:05 Speaker 1: It's not public yet. There was a question of whether

12:08 Speaker 1: we should message or intercept three Atlas, and that of

12:13 Speaker 1: course depends on the details. And I am One thing

12:16 Speaker 1: I recommended in a paper a month ago that was

12:20 Speaker 1: already published, is that we use the Juno spacecraft near

12:25 Speaker 1: Jupiter to observe it. It could have almost intercepted it

12:29 Speaker 1: if it had all the fuel that it started with,

12:32 Speaker 1: but because it's used most of the fuel, it could

12:35 Speaker 1: only get a little closer than it currently is. But

12:40 Speaker 1: at any event, the Representative Lunar called me on the

12:44 Speaker 1: phone for an update about three Atlas, and I mentioned

12:47 Speaker 1: this paper to her, and she wrote a letter official

12:51 Speaker 1: letter from the US Congress to the Administrator or interim

12:55 Speaker 1: Administrator of NASA, Sean Duffy, that you can see on

12:58 Speaker 1: the left here that encourage us to use the Juveno mission,

13:02 Speaker 1: and as far as I know, they didn't plunge it

13:04 Speaker 1: into JUPIDI it was supposed to die in September a

13:11 Speaker 1: month ago, so I hope they will keep using it

13:15 Speaker 1: to observe three ATHLETs. So obviously there is the fundamental

13:21 Speaker 1: question of what should humanity do the day after an

13:26 Speaker 1: interstellar object is recognized as a technological alien technology, And

13:34 Speaker 1: so I came out in an essay a month ago.

13:36 Speaker 1: I came up with fifteen principles just to summarize them briefly. Obviously,

13:47 Speaker 1: this is a concern for all humans on Earth, because

13:50 Speaker 1: we are all in the same boat, and so there

13:52 Speaker 1: should be an international organization that And in fact I

13:57 Speaker 1: submitted an official letter with a white paper to the

14:01 Speaker 1: United Nations last week suggesting that there will be an

14:07 Speaker 1: international committee that evaluates interstellar objects and whether there are

14:11 Speaker 1: risk because they could even if they look innocent, they

14:17 Speaker 1: could potentially appear like a trojan horse or a black

14:22 Speaker 1: Swan event, where probability is small that they are technological,

14:27 Speaker 1: but then the implications are huge. And so it's well

14:30 Speaker 1: known within the intelligence agencies that when dealing with a

14:34 Speaker 1: low probability event, you really need to have a contingency

14:37 Speaker 1: plan because you don't want to be surprised. The big

14:42 Speaker 1: failure of the intelligence in Israel during October seventh was

14:49 Speaker 1: a result of them not considering a low probability event,

14:55 Speaker 1: not taking it seriously. And we also the consequences of

15:00 Speaker 1: a statement. So at any event, there should be an organization,

15:06 Speaker 1: international organization that considers the data we have on future

15:10 Speaker 1: interstal objects. That will be one new one every few months,

15:15 Speaker 1: discovered by the Rubin Observatory in Chile, and so over

15:20 Speaker 1: the next decade there could be maybe fifty of them,

15:23 Speaker 1: and we should study them and decide whether all of

15:27 Speaker 1: them are rocks or maybe one of them or more

15:32 Speaker 1: are technological in origin. And this is a serious matter.

15:36 Speaker 1: And of course the politicians or the financial markets will

15:40 Speaker 1: not respond to this threat seriously until we have the

15:45 Speaker 1: first encounter. Humans are known for being always late to

15:50 Speaker 1: the first surprise, and so that's okay. But once we

15:56 Speaker 1: have the first encounter, it will become a major item.

15:59 Speaker 1: And I think we could imagine even trillions of dollars

16:02 Speaker 1: allocated to an array of interceptors and probes that will

16:09 Speaker 1: alert Earth to incoming threats. After the first encounter, and

16:16 Speaker 1: of course there was the previous interest object that looked

16:20 Speaker 1: weird that was and it was its brightness changed by

16:26 Speaker 1: a factor of tennis. It was tumbling, it had a

16:29 Speaker 1: shape that is most likely flat, and it was pushed

16:32 Speaker 1: away from the sun by some mysterious force without showing

16:36 Speaker 1: any cometary evaporation. And I suggested it's not a comet,

16:40 Speaker 1: but the comet experts argued, well, it has an invisible

16:45 Speaker 1: cometary tale, which is a crazy idea, and believe it

16:51 Speaker 1: or not, the crazy idea is embraced by the mainstream

16:55 Speaker 1: of comet experts rather than them considering a new idea,

17:01 Speaker 1: so they would rather stick to something that makes no sense,

17:07 Speaker 1: which is an invisible cometary tail, like the Emperor has

17:11 Speaker 1: no has closed that are invisible in the Hans Christian

17:15 Speaker 1: Andersen's So it just shows you the mindset of those

17:19 Speaker 1: comed and many of them are attacking me personally just

17:22 Speaker 1: by suggesting something different. And you know, I'm not trying

17:26 Speaker 1: to solve their psychological problems. I think it's it's something

17:30 Speaker 1: that their therapists should deal with, not me, because we

17:36 Speaker 1: know that we produce the space trash and not everything

17:40 Speaker 1: in the sky. Therefore, is the rocks. You know, we

17:43 Speaker 1: know that. So the next the Copernican revolution would be

17:48 Speaker 1: that we are not alone. And I just I will

17:53 Speaker 1: mention just in a few words, an expedition that I

17:57 Speaker 1: took a couple of years ago and it was documented

18:00 Speaker 1: by Netflix filming crew, and you will see the Netflix

18:05 Speaker 1: documentary in twenty twenty six coming out. This was another

18:09 Speaker 1: interstellar object that collided with Earth in twenty fourteen and

18:17 Speaker 1: was confirmed by the USA Space Command as being interstellar

18:21 Speaker 1: at the nineteen nine point nine to nine percent confidence.

18:23 Speaker 1: And so I led an expedition to go to the

18:26 Speaker 1: Pacific Ocean to search for the materials, and we recovered

18:30 Speaker 1: some materials and brought them back to the laboratory of

18:34 Speaker 1: my colleagues, time Jacobson at Harvard, and since then we

18:38 Speaker 1: found a ten percent of the materials had a chemical

18:41 Speaker 1: composition that is different from Solar System materials. And these

18:46 Speaker 1: were molten droplets that we found on the ocean floor

18:50 Speaker 1: that is about a mile deep down there. And so

18:56 Speaker 1: we are hoping to do another expedition to find bigger

18:59 Speaker 1: pieces this meteor, but it would cost six and a

19:04 Speaker 1: half million dollars and we didn't we don't have a donor,

19:10 Speaker 1: so sof yet to support it, so we're waiting for that.

19:18 Speaker 1: The next year will be very exciting because, aside from

19:21 Speaker 1: the new observatories of the Galileo Project, can find a

19:27 Speaker 1: few million objects in the sky. Over the coming year.

19:34 Speaker 1: You know, we will search, of course for unidentified anormalous

19:37 Speaker 1: phenomena of these few millions. Aside from that, there is

19:41 Speaker 1: the Ruben Observatory in Chile that was just inaugurated and

19:45 Speaker 1: has a camera of three point two gigapixels and it

19:50 Speaker 1: could find the UAPs as well as interstellar objects. So

19:56 Speaker 1: I very much look forward to the coming year with

19:59 Speaker 1: plenty of data from both the Ruben Observatory and the

20:04 Speaker 1: Low observatories. So that is it, and I'll be happy

20:09 Speaker 1: to answer any questions, especially about three. I at last,

20:14 Speaker 1: let me just see if I can now stop sharing.

20:17 Speaker 4: Okay, great, all right, thank you so much, doctor doctor AVI.

20:26 Speaker 5: If anybody'd like to come up with over here broadcast headquarters.

20:29 Speaker 6: And also take some questions in our online chat I

20:34 Speaker 6: has any feel free to come on out.

20:39 Speaker 4: But in in the meantime, and I I do sincerely,

20:42 Speaker 4: thank you very much. Alv I was that was very

20:46 Speaker 4: cool and and this is this is the latest, and

20:49 Speaker 4: Grace serially check on on I end av Uh some people,

20:55 Speaker 4: for example, the angry astronaut.

20:56 Speaker 2: I'm sure you know him. We all love him. I

20:58 Speaker 2: mean very angry.

21:00 Speaker 5: And he suggested.

21:03 Speaker 2: He's very bus smoke in Australia.

21:05 Speaker 1: By the way, he might be angry, but is he

21:07 Speaker 1: an astronaut.

21:11 Speaker 4: Yeah, so so speeches on on that. But and I

21:17 Speaker 4: invited him for an angry comment. I'll have to check later.

21:20 Speaker 4: But uh, he did say I think he touched on you,

21:25 Speaker 4: possibly mentioning it, and he mentioned it could three I

21:29 Speaker 4: Atlas in anyway, some sort of spacecraft that on the

21:34 Speaker 4: outside it's it's a meteor or a rock or something,

21:37 Speaker 4: because it has this bizarre green green light emanating from it.

21:43 Speaker 2: Would that be outrageous and sci fi or.

21:46 Speaker 1: No, that's definitely a possibility because we all know about

21:50 Speaker 1: the story on the city about the City of Troy

21:53 Speaker 1: that accepted a gift that looked like a wooden horse,

21:59 Speaker 1: and obviously you know that there was an existential threat

22:03 Speaker 1: that was the Trojan Horse. And uh, definitely that is

22:09 Speaker 1: possible that that some alien gudget is masquerading itself with

22:15 Speaker 1: an appearance that looks like a comet or a rock,

22:18 Speaker 1: and the way to figure it out is to see

22:21 Speaker 1: some excess heat coming from it, some unusual maneuver, artificial lights,

22:28 Speaker 1: radio signal. There are many ways by which we can

22:30 Speaker 1: figure it out, and until we find those signatures, we

22:36 Speaker 1: should assume that if it qualks like a duck walks

22:39 Speaker 1: like a duck, it's a duck. So I'm suggesting using

22:44 Speaker 1: all the instruments at our disposal to search for anomaliest

22:48 Speaker 1: but if they are not there, you know it's probably

22:51 Speaker 1: a comet.

22:54 Speaker 4: Okay, Well, well did you did you have a question

22:58 Speaker 4: for a come on up and yeah, feel free.

23:02 Speaker 5: Ahead a time as well. My name is William du It.

23:06 Speaker 7: It is so great to meet you and the pig

23:09 Speaker 7: ban obviously, Yes, I was wondering, as I, let's get

23:14 Speaker 7: closer towards like its nearest passed by Earth again back without.

23:19 Speaker 5: Anything like interfering in between.

23:21 Speaker 7: It wouldn't that be around around December?

23:24 Speaker 5: Right?

23:25 Speaker 1: Yeah? So actually I mentioned that it comes close to

23:28 Speaker 1: Mars and Jupiter Mars two days ago on October third,

23:32 Speaker 1: and Jupiter on March sixteenth. In the case of Jupiter,

23:38 Speaker 1: it's fifty four million kilometers. In the case of Mars,

23:41 Speaker 1: is twenty nine million kilometers now relative to Earth. It

23:44 Speaker 1: seems like it's avoiding us because during the month of October.

23:48 Speaker 1: It comes closest to the Sun on October twenty ninth,

23:51 Speaker 1: and the Earth is exactly on the opposite side of

23:55 Speaker 1: the Sun, so the Sun is between us and the

23:58 Speaker 1: three I Atlas. When you look at this during the

24:01 Speaker 1: daytime during the month of October, just imagine that tree

24:06 Speaker 1: Atlas is flying behind it, Okay. And maybe it was intentional,

24:12 Speaker 1: maybe not. We don't know. If it's natural, it must

24:14 Speaker 1: be a coincidence. If it's if it was designed by

24:20 Speaker 1: some intelligence, then perhaps there is a reason for that.

24:23 Speaker 1: But you know, we cannot reach it with any of

24:25 Speaker 1: our rockets because it moves the opposite direction of the

24:27 Speaker 1: motion of the Earth around the Sun. So therefore, you know,

24:32 Speaker 1: in the month of October it will be roughly two

24:35 Speaker 1: point three times farther from us than the Sun is okay,

24:39 Speaker 1: because it's on the other side. And then in December,

24:43 Speaker 1: you know, we come out of our trajectory and it

24:46 Speaker 1: continues along its path, So even though it's not close

24:49 Speaker 1: to the Sun, it will get closest to Earth when

24:54 Speaker 1: we come to the other side of our trajectory around

24:56 Speaker 1: the Sun, and that would be in the middle of December. Yeah,

25:00 Speaker 1: so it will not be close to Earth at any

25:03 Speaker 1: part of its trajectory as long as it follows this

25:06 Speaker 1: gravitational trajectory. Now, if it decides to maneuver, if it's technological,

25:11 Speaker 1: then obviously it can get very close to Earth, or

25:14 Speaker 1: it can send the miniprobe, you know, if it's a

25:16 Speaker 1: mother ship. So we should watch the sky in the

25:19 Speaker 1: coming months, and I told the Galileo Project research team

25:23 Speaker 1: to check if there are any unusual if there is

25:26 Speaker 1: any unusual activity near Earth, you know, as a result

25:30 Speaker 1: of something that it released, because it's moving in a

25:35 Speaker 1: retrograde trajectory that is opposite to the motion of the

25:38 Speaker 1: planets around the Sun. So that is ideal for actually

25:44 Speaker 1: sending probes that would collide with the planets, not need

25:49 Speaker 1: to chase them, you know, as they move around the Sun.

25:52 Speaker 1: And so we just need to watch it, keep our

25:55 Speaker 1: eyes on the ball, and if it turns out to

25:57 Speaker 1: be a comet, then we learn some knew about you know,

26:01 Speaker 1: unusual comments because it's very big, it's made of materials

26:05 Speaker 1: different from any comment we've seen. It had this plume

26:09 Speaker 1: of it had this jet pointed towards the Sun, not

26:12 Speaker 1: clear where it came from. So it is anomalous, definitely,

26:17 Speaker 1: And but you know, maybe we're just lucky and it's

26:22 Speaker 1: ideal for us to observe it because it came along

26:25 Speaker 1: the ecliptic plane. So there are lots of telescope space assets,

26:28 Speaker 1: spacecraft that are in the plane of the planets because

26:32 Speaker 1: we went to visit those planets like Mars and Jupiter,

26:35 Speaker 1: and so they can observe it. So that's a gift.

26:38 Speaker 5: You know.

26:38 Speaker 1: We we should count our blessings, even if we don't

26:41 Speaker 1: know why they they were provided to us, even if

26:45 Speaker 1: we you know, whether it's natural or some artificial origin.

26:51 Speaker 1: We should just take advantage of those blessings and observe it.

26:54 Speaker 1: And so let's see what the data shows.

26:58 Speaker 5: Awesome, Thank you so so much.

27:02 Speaker 4: Would someone else like to come up and ask ask

27:05 Speaker 4: doctor Avilobe anything?

27:09 Speaker 8: Yes, Hi, doctor Avilobe. So my name is Alissa, and

27:16 Speaker 8: you've been really inspirational to me, especially lately with your

27:20 Speaker 8: comments on your feeling of if this was you know,

27:26 Speaker 8: something technologically made, and the pull together that we could

27:32 Speaker 8: possibly do as a society instead of doing a lot

27:35 Speaker 8: of our focus on conflict and putting our money into

27:38 Speaker 8: those places, and the idea that there could be a

27:42 Speaker 8: cosmic neighbor out there who could maybe even help us

27:45 Speaker 8: bring us together.

27:48 Speaker 9: I mean, I could go on and on.

27:49 Speaker 8: It brings me back to like the theories on you know,

27:52 Speaker 8: the things that go on in Egypt and everything. But

27:55 Speaker 8: I have kind of a crazy question for you. So

27:58 Speaker 8: with the timing of the govern shut down and the

28:02 Speaker 8: news kind of coming out slowly with everything from these

28:06 Speaker 8: these cameras, and I was kind of wondering if Trump

28:12 Speaker 8: or like the government had really any knowledge upcoming about

28:16 Speaker 8: three I at lists that would have maybe like had

28:20 Speaker 8: something to do with their decision to the government shutdown.

28:23 Speaker 8: And if there is like the possibility of the Galactic Federation.

28:30 Speaker 8: I know that that was brought up to Trump and

28:33 Speaker 8: like mess like he spoke about it in twenty twenty.

28:37 Speaker 8: So yeah, I know it's kind of a wild theory.

28:39 Speaker 1: But yeah, well, first, thank you so much. I every

28:44 Speaker 1: day or two I put an essay on medium dot

28:46 Speaker 1: com and I I'm not charging anything. You can subscribe

28:51 Speaker 1: for free, and then I insist on making it free.

28:55 Speaker 1: I see it as a work of love. So anyone

28:58 Speaker 1: can read it. There is no pay war, so avilob

29:02 Speaker 1: at medium dot com. Now, with respect to the shutdown,

29:04 Speaker 1: you know, I tend to believe that it's not a

29:07 Speaker 1: result of uh, extraterrestrial intelligence. I think it's a result

29:13 Speaker 1: of terrestrial stupidity in Washington, d C. You know that

29:18 Speaker 1: the politicians, you know, are shutting down the government for

29:23 Speaker 1: no good reason. It just causes pain and it's just

29:25 Speaker 1: playing games, you know. And so I don't think it's

29:29 Speaker 1: sort of related. But I should say that on the

29:35 Speaker 1: Thursday night, I was interviewed on news marks and about

29:42 Speaker 1: three I at Last and that was with Rob Fernetti.

29:52 Speaker 1: Uh and and that the interview was followed by an

29:55 Speaker 1: interview of the deputy chief of Staff at the White House.

30:01 Speaker 1: And you can find it in an essay that I

30:04 Speaker 1: wrote on Friday, the links for these two and uh

30:12 Speaker 1: So he was asked whether Trump was actually briefed on

30:18 Speaker 1: three I Atlas and the research that I'm doing, and

30:21 Speaker 1: uh he said there is no reason to worry about it.

30:25 Speaker 1: That that was the response of of so, uh, you know,

30:31 Speaker 1: I'm I'm not sure how much is you know, how

30:36 Speaker 1: much attention the White House has to this this matter,

30:39 Speaker 1: and but I hope someone is briefing them. I'm keeping

30:45 Speaker 1: in touch with members of Congress and and and and

30:50 Speaker 1: letting them know that the latest. And so the bottom

30:55 Speaker 1: line is, I don't think the shutdown is likely to

30:58 Speaker 1: be a result of fame, uh of this appearance of

31:05 Speaker 1: three A autlasts and uh it's possible that now after

31:11 Speaker 1: these interviews that in fact there is indeed some awareness

31:18 Speaker 1: over there in the White House. And so that's all

31:23 Speaker 1: I can say as of now, Thank you so much.

31:33 Speaker 10: With with someone else like to ask, actually one quick

31:42 Speaker 10: thing I did see last night.

31:44 Speaker 8: I'm not sure that it's accurate, but there's an image

31:47 Speaker 8: that's been floating around on Reddit of three I outlass

31:51 Speaker 8: and it's showing it in an oblong like cigar shape.

31:55 Speaker 8: That's been it's really floating around. Well have you seen

32:00 Speaker 8: this image, but your take on it, it's seeming like

32:03 Speaker 8: people are seeing like a perfectly green, equal size like

32:09 Speaker 8: rod shape and it's not really fall I'm not sure

32:13 Speaker 8: if you've seen that one.

32:14 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is an excellent question, and I was asked

32:17 Speaker 1: about it actually also from the US Congress, and I

32:22 Speaker 1: don't know exactly the exposure time. This is an image

32:26 Speaker 1: from the Perseverance Rover. That's the claim, and I don't

32:30 Speaker 1: know it from primary sources. That that's what the people

32:34 Speaker 1: who show the image claim. But then if it's real,

32:38 Speaker 1: you know, it could always be far fabricated then, because

32:41 Speaker 1: nowadays there are AI tools that can generate artificial images.

32:46 Speaker 1: If it's real, this elongation could be just the result

32:50 Speaker 1: of smearing by the exposure time of the camera on

32:55 Speaker 1: the Perseverance Rover. So an object that would be like

33:01 Speaker 1: a spherical or so in its appearance would be or

33:05 Speaker 1: even point like would be stretched to look like a

33:10 Speaker 1: cylinder because you integrate over time, and so as the

33:15 Speaker 1: object is moving across the Martian sky, it looks like

33:19 Speaker 1: a cylinder rather than a point, you know, So that

33:23 Speaker 1: if I saw such an elongated feature, that would be

33:27 Speaker 1: my first guess, because you have to ask how long

33:31 Speaker 1: was the integration time the exposure time, and then could

33:34 Speaker 1: it this this elongated image be just the result of that,

33:38 Speaker 1: And of course the shorter the exposure time is the

33:42 Speaker 1: less elongation you should get. So that's how you can

33:45 Speaker 1: distinguish quite easily between a really a real cylinder in

33:51 Speaker 1: the sky that should not change its size depending on

33:55 Speaker 1: the exposure time. Okay, so this is an easy thing

33:58 Speaker 1: to check because you can also look at the images

34:03 Speaker 1: of neighboring stars. That's even easier. And if the images

34:06 Speaker 1: of the stars near the object are also elongated by

34:10 Speaker 1: the same amount, then you know that it's not nothing

34:14 Speaker 1: to do with the cylindrical shape of the object, because

34:17 Speaker 1: the stars are not supposed to be cylindrical. And so

34:20 Speaker 1: that's a very easy thing. So unfortunately they showed the

34:23 Speaker 1: image without looking, you know, without showing nearby stars. In

34:27 Speaker 1: an essay that I posted on Saturday yesterday, I actually

34:33 Speaker 1: showed an image from the must Come Zee come around

34:39 Speaker 1: the Perseverance rover. It showed some smadg of three A atlas,

34:44 Speaker 1: didn't show any elongation. So I just want to see

34:47 Speaker 1: what this image that was distributed around over the past day,

34:51 Speaker 1: where did it come from, how long was the exposure

34:54 Speaker 1: and so forth. And this is actually the essay where

34:57 Speaker 1: I talk about Stephen Miller uh in this separate news

35:02 Speaker 1: segment that spoke that was asked about whether the US

35:07 Speaker 1: President was briefed about three outlas after I appeared with

35:13 Speaker 1: on this program of news Marx, thank you.

35:18 Speaker 8: And just lastly, if I could ask I think today,

35:21 Speaker 8: I didn't notice that you had maybe upgraded the loop

35:24 Speaker 8: scale for three outlies from A two to two A four,

35:28 Speaker 8: And am I accurate with that or has.

35:30 Speaker 1: It I had?

35:31 Speaker 8: What was the loop scale upgraded for three ouls from

35:37 Speaker 8: two to four recently?

35:38 Speaker 1: No, I was always at four. I haven't changed it

35:42 Speaker 1: because I'm waiting for the data to be collected by

35:45 Speaker 1: the orbiters around Mars. That would be the most definitive

35:48 Speaker 1: data about the size of the object and whether it

35:51 Speaker 1: looks anomalous. So that's I'm really waiting for the month

35:54 Speaker 1: of October before I will change my ranking.

35:58 Speaker 9: Perfect.

35:59 Speaker 8: Thank you so much for your time. I appreciate it.

36:01 Speaker 1: Thank you, excellent questions, Thank you.

36:04 Speaker 4: One wonderful questions and folks, And I would like to

36:06 Speaker 4: say from a personal experience that AVI or you know,

36:10 Speaker 4: doctor avil I like to come, is very very kind

36:14 Speaker 4: and approachable, So please please feel free, you know, any

36:19 Speaker 4: any questions of if you want, He's not going to

36:21 Speaker 4: laugh at you. If he hasn't laughed at me, he's

36:24 Speaker 4: not gonna laugh at you.

36:27 Speaker 1: I also wanted to put on the chat the link

36:30 Speaker 1: to my essays on medium dot com so you can

36:33 Speaker 1: check it on the chat. Just click on that and

36:35 Speaker 1: you can actually subscribe and receive those updates by email.

36:41 Speaker 11: Yes, awesome, Thank you talked a little bit. My question

36:47 Speaker 11: is a little vague. I was just thinking, you know,

36:49 Speaker 11: with the thousands or hundreds up to thousands of discoveries

36:53 Speaker 11: of extraterrestrial whatever you want to call them, crafts, there's

36:58 Speaker 11: a lot of speculation of like, you know, it's duc

37:00 Speaker 11: obviously this is something of higher intelligence, or you know,

37:03 Speaker 11: let's collect the data. Let's take a look to see

37:06 Speaker 11: where we can pinpoint this as.

37:12 Speaker 1: Oops, we lost the sound. Can you repeat the last

37:18 Speaker 1: part of your question, we lost the sound for some reason?

37:21 Speaker 5: Yeah.

37:21 Speaker 11: Yeah, I'll sum it up, like, when we take a

37:27 Speaker 11: look at these crafts that are moving through space, you know,

37:29 Speaker 11: there's always a speculation that these could be like type

37:32 Speaker 11: three civilization or type two. What do you say to

37:35 Speaker 11: anyone who's apprehensive of us going out to collect data

37:38 Speaker 11: that maybe we would get, you know, a negative response

37:41 Speaker 11: from whatever's out there.

37:43 Speaker 1: Yeah. So in terms of the type of civilization, that

37:46 Speaker 1: really depends on the size of the object that is

37:50 Speaker 1: of technological origin from interstar space. So for example, this

37:54 Speaker 1: three I Atlas, if it has a mass more than

37:57 Speaker 1: thirty three billion tons, you know, just to get it

38:00 Speaker 1: up to speed of sixty kilometers per second. That it's

38:03 Speaker 1: observed that it requires a huge amount of energy. You

38:06 Speaker 1: need a very significant engine to power it and also

38:11 Speaker 1: to maintain activities inside such a huge spacecraft. So that

38:15 Speaker 1: would require something you know, that is a different class

38:20 Speaker 1: of technological advancement, and then humanity definitely type two or something.

38:27 Speaker 1: So my recommendation is not to assume anything, just to

38:32 Speaker 1: see what comes our way and then decide. And then,

38:36 Speaker 1: you know, once we have enough data to make it clear,

38:40 Speaker 1: you know, to everyone that there is no doubt that

38:43 Speaker 1: the object we're looking at is technological, then we can ask, okay,

38:46 Speaker 1: what are the implications as to the centers, you know,

38:49 Speaker 1: what does it mean about their abilities and the fact

38:52 Speaker 1: that they reached us before we reach them, and they

38:55 Speaker 1: have used an engine with a power that is so

38:59 Speaker 1: much than anything we can imagine. You know, the biggest

39:02 Speaker 1: rocket that we launched was roughly less than one hundred

39:06 Speaker 1: meters in size, you know, so here we're talking about

39:10 Speaker 1: ten kilometers. It's the difference between a football field and

39:12 Speaker 1: the size of Manhattan Island. It's quite a different size object.

39:18 Speaker 1: And so it's quite possible that you know that those

39:22 Speaker 1: that reach us are far more advanced than we are,

39:25 Speaker 1: and we can learn from them. But first we have

39:27 Speaker 1: to clearly detect them, and for that we need scientific

39:30 Speaker 1: quality data from instruments, not eyewitness testimonies. I mean, these

39:34 Speaker 1: are intriguing, but we cannot rely on them because sometimes

39:38 Speaker 1: people are wrong, you know, they miss they have wish

39:40 Speaker 1: for thinking, they mistake something natural for something that looks artificial.

39:46 Speaker 1: So that's what I'm trying to do with it. Got

39:49 Speaker 1: a lot of project to get the scientific quality data,

39:51 Speaker 1: and if the US government has such data, I would love.

39:55 Speaker 5: To see it.

39:56 Speaker 1: I haven't seen it. Yeah, hopefully it means a big picture. Yes,

40:02 Speaker 1: we'll see what comes up.

40:06 Speaker 12: Okay, Hi, doctor Low, thank you so much for being

40:13 Speaker 12: with your today.

40:13 Speaker 2: I really appreciate it.

40:15 Speaker 5: I just have a question. I was wondering if you

40:16 Speaker 5: could help me out.

40:17 Speaker 12: I'm really excited to have, you know, world's leading scientists

40:21 Speaker 12: and academics like yourself taking this topic seriously. Whenever I

40:25 Speaker 12: try to talk to my closest friends or family about

40:27 Speaker 12: NHI or ufo uIP visiting Earth, I'm always met with

40:31 Speaker 12: it's impossible because you cannot go faster than the speed

40:34 Speaker 12: of light.

40:35 Speaker 1: You don't need you don't need to go faster than night.

40:39 Speaker 1: They are completely wrong. So here here are the numbers.

40:42 Speaker 1: You can tell them. The universe existed for thirteen point

40:45 Speaker 1: eight billion years, okay. The Sun formed in the last

40:50 Speaker 1: one third of cosmic history. The Sun formed, you know,

40:56 Speaker 1: four point six billion years ago. You know, that's one

40:59 Speaker 1: third cosmic history, exactly one. So most of the stars

41:04 Speaker 1: that we find in the universe formed billions of years

41:08 Speaker 1: before the Sun. Okay. Now, how much time does it

41:11 Speaker 1: take for a spacecraft like Voyager. You know our own

41:15 Speaker 1: technology from the nineteen seventies, So tell you your family,

41:19 Speaker 1: friends and you know members. We all know about Voyager.

41:23 Speaker 1: It was in the seventies. All technology, nothing really fancy,

41:26 Speaker 1: nothing in the future. Just the thing that we launched

41:29 Speaker 1: in the seventies. Okay, that would take you know, Voyagers

41:35 Speaker 1: will eventually exit the Solar System and it will arrive

41:39 Speaker 1: at the opposite side of the Milky Way galaxy in

41:42 Speaker 1: less than a billionaires. Okay, So it will be opposite

41:45 Speaker 1: to the Sun on the other side of the galactic

41:48 Speaker 1: disk in a billionaires. So if the difference in age

41:52 Speaker 1: between stars like the Sun. Most of them formed several

41:55 Speaker 1: billionaires before the Sun. There was plenty of time for

41:58 Speaker 1: a voyager like spacecraft to make it to our backyard.

42:02 Speaker 1: I don't understand what they're talking about, because just imagine

42:05 Speaker 1: us in the billionaires. So, you know, the point is

42:09 Speaker 1: that they already went through what we are going through,

42:14 Speaker 1: possibly billions of years ago, and for them to reach

42:17 Speaker 1: us is trivial in a billionaire. So, I mean, they

42:20 Speaker 1: may not be around, they might be dead by now,

42:22 Speaker 1: but the fact that we can detect their technological products

42:28 Speaker 1: just like searching, you know, for relics or artifacts from

42:32 Speaker 1: ancient civilizations on Earth. You know, just do archaeology and

42:36 Speaker 1: you find evidence for civilizations that existed before the present time.

42:39 Speaker 1: That's what we do in archaeology. There is a whole

42:42 Speaker 1: profession of archaeologist looking for such relics. So why would

42:46 Speaker 1: we not do archaeology of the Milky Way galaxy in

42:49 Speaker 1: the same way looking for relics of other civilizations that

42:54 Speaker 1: existed before us. It's exactly the same logic. Whoever is

42:58 Speaker 1: telling you otherwise, you know, it makes no sense.

43:04 Speaker 5: Thank you so much, appreciate it. Sure h.

43:14 Speaker 13: Hello doctor, next meet you. I have a question well,

43:20 Speaker 13: two questions. If you could send two musicians to space

43:24 Speaker 13: that are not classical composers, and two works of fiction,

43:28 Speaker 13: just jet them out to space so our compatriots out

43:32 Speaker 13: there could hear our music or the works of literature,

43:35 Speaker 13: what would you personally choose.

43:37 Speaker 1: Well, frankly, I would not put anything. You know, there

43:41 Speaker 1: was this Golden Record that was sent with Voyager and

43:44 Speaker 1: was supposed to pride in the best accomplishments in the

43:50 Speaker 1: arts and history of humanity. So they put on a plaque.

43:54 Speaker 1: I mean, that was a committee that was led by

43:57 Speaker 1: Carl Sagan that decided what to put there. And frankly,

44:00 Speaker 1: I'm not very proud of music of the sixties. You know,

44:04 Speaker 1: I'm not necessarily a big fan of the Beatles, and well,

44:10 Speaker 1: I like music always, the music of today, you know,

44:14 Speaker 1: I really enjoy music that I hear today more than

44:18 Speaker 1: the past. That's just my personal take. But my point

44:21 Speaker 1: in general is that we shouldn't be so proud of

44:23 Speaker 1: what we produce so far, because we are really at

44:26 Speaker 1: the beginning of our science and technology. We only had

44:30 Speaker 1: science and technology for one century, and whoever is likely

44:35 Speaker 1: to see what we are, you know, what we produced

44:39 Speaker 1: could have you know, science and technology for a millionaires

44:43 Speaker 1: or a billionaires, and just think about us, and you know,

44:47 Speaker 1: where will we be in a millionaires? You know, like

44:51 Speaker 1: what we are, what we have accomplished so far, is

44:53 Speaker 1: really nothing. And you know, it's just like you know,

44:59 Speaker 1: and on the in the crack of a pavement, you know,

45:02 Speaker 1: they can be very proud of the castle that they built,

45:05 Speaker 1: you know, the ants, but when a biker passes by,

45:08 Speaker 1: the biker doesn't give them but their pride, you know,

45:11 Speaker 1: like this is completely irrelevant. And so what we are

45:14 Speaker 1: most proud of, I think will become completely irrelevant as

45:17 Speaker 1: we make progress and become more and more advanced. And

45:22 Speaker 1: the same must be true for them. They don't care

45:25 Speaker 1: about you know, for them, we look very close to

45:28 Speaker 1: animals if they progressed over millions of years beyond the

45:32 Speaker 1: science and technology that we have. So I won't try

45:36 Speaker 1: to brag at all, you know, on a in a

45:38 Speaker 1: blind date, my advice is, instead of bragging, you better

45:43 Speaker 1: listen to the other side, you know, just this is

45:46 Speaker 1: my advice for a blind date. Instead of being showing off,

45:50 Speaker 1: you know that let's just listen to the other side

45:53 Speaker 1: and see how far they got. And you know. We

45:57 Speaker 1: Once we know that, we can assess whether it may

46:00 Speaker 1: make sense for us to to or we should learn

46:02 Speaker 1: from them. You know, that would be much much better

46:05 Speaker 1: to learn from them than to to brag or show

46:07 Speaker 1: off about their music or literature. That's my my, that's

46:12 Speaker 1: my two cents on about blind dates.

46:15 Speaker 5: Thank you very much. And one more question.

46:19 Speaker 14: Do you think the the philosophy that like humanity has

46:23 Speaker 14: been able to to to construct something like Hegel's philosophy,

46:30 Speaker 14: something like Marxist theories? Do you think all civilizations, whether

46:35 Speaker 14: you know they're from space or from here from wherever,

46:40 Speaker 14: do you think those kinds of aspects of well, we yeah,

46:44 Speaker 14: it would be humanity. But those aspects of thought, do

46:47 Speaker 14: you think they will permeate throughout all different kinds of

46:50 Speaker 14: like do they hold true for all living material or.

46:53 Speaker 1: Do Yeah, that's that's a very deep question. And I

46:56 Speaker 1: think it depends on how their brains are structured. So

47:01 Speaker 1: some people suggest that maybe science is universal, you know,

47:04 Speaker 1: that they would have the same scientific principles that they

47:07 Speaker 1: discovered and therefore we can converse with them about But

47:11 Speaker 1: it really depends. You know, so the size of our

47:15 Speaker 1: brain was limited by how much power our body can

47:18 Speaker 1: give to our brain. It's using twenty percent of the

47:21 Speaker 1: metabolic energy consumption of the human body. You know, twenty

47:26 Speaker 1: percent is our brain from the entire body, and therefore

47:30 Speaker 1: you rive the brain. By the way, it's not a lot.

47:33 Speaker 1: It's just twenty watts. You know, if you think about

47:35 Speaker 1: the smaller light bulb, you know, it's just twenty watts.

47:38 Speaker 1: That's all that our brain is using, compared to the

47:41 Speaker 1: jigowats that the artificial intelligence AI systems are using. Just

47:45 Speaker 1: think about it. It's amazing that the human brain can

47:47 Speaker 1: accomplish so much with twenty watts. But nevertheless, it couldn't

47:51 Speaker 1: grow bigger because the body would not be able to

47:54 Speaker 1: support it. That's the biggest it could go. Roughly speaking,

47:57 Speaker 1: a fifth of the power is going to the brain.

48:00 Speaker 1: So now maybe they have bigger bodies, you know, maybe

48:03 Speaker 1: they have bigger brains. And in that case, you know,

48:08 Speaker 1: the way they think is very different than we are,

48:11 Speaker 1: and so it's very hard for us to imagine what

48:16 Speaker 1: someone with a higher intelligence is thinking and how that

48:21 Speaker 1: kind of a brain is capable of interpreting the world,

48:26 Speaker 1: you know, and writing and coming up with theories. And

48:30 Speaker 1: you know, one possibility is that if you look at

48:32 Speaker 1: human history, we are making a lot of mistakes and

48:35 Speaker 1: we keep failing. And maybe it's because we're not smart enough,

48:38 Speaker 1: you know. And and there is a solution for how

48:41 Speaker 1: to organize people in a better way, but we haven't

48:44 Speaker 1: figured it out because we are not smart enough. You know.

48:46 Speaker 1: Just look at a group of chimpanzees in the jungle.

48:50 Speaker 1: You know, they don't organize themselves in the most effective

48:52 Speaker 1: way because we do it better the humans, because we

48:56 Speaker 1: are more intelligent. So, going by this principle, you know,

49:00 Speaker 1: if there is something more intelligent than us, perhaps they

49:04 Speaker 1: figured out a better way to organize themselves, better than marks,

49:07 Speaker 1: better than all the theories that we have. And the

49:11 Speaker 1: same is true about science. They figured out, you know,

49:14 Speaker 1: things that we don't even imagine. So so that's why

49:17 Speaker 1: I'm saying, let's just be open minded and learn from

49:20 Speaker 1: them if they show up, and this will teach us modesty.

49:25 Speaker 1: You know, we we are quite arrogant. There are lots

49:28 Speaker 1: of people that say that we are the most intelligent

49:30 Speaker 1: things and there is nothing else out there, and we're

49:33 Speaker 1: probably alone. And I think we we deserve some sense

49:39 Speaker 1: of modesty, and that may come from a more intelligent

49:43 Speaker 1: from a more intelligent student in our class. You know,

49:48 Speaker 1: thank you very much.

49:53 Speaker 2: So so Abbi, would you please have time for one

49:58 Speaker 2: more question?

49:59 Speaker 1: One more question and yeah then I need to go

50:01 Speaker 1: to a podcast interview after that, so just one more.

50:04 Speaker 2: Tashi okay, and again, thank you, appreciate it.

50:11 Speaker 5: Hi, thank you fan.

50:13 Speaker 15: So I just had a quick question. So the angry

50:15 Speaker 15: ask I put out like a video talking about how

50:17 Speaker 15: there might have been like some interstellar probe or whatever

50:20 Speaker 15: just because of the way the spheroids or whatever formed

50:23 Speaker 15: in the ocean when it impacted. But about fourteen minutes

50:26 Speaker 15: into the sorry the video, he's discussing how both three

50:30 Speaker 15: IYE at lists and this interstellar object came from roughly

50:33 Speaker 15: the same spot where three atlas was like Sagittarius, and

50:38 Speaker 15: well the other one was around the star Vega. And

50:40 Speaker 15: I'm just curious if there's any relevance to that spot

50:46 Speaker 15: in the sky at all, if there's ever been like

50:49 Speaker 15: anything brought to your attention from maybe the area of

50:51 Speaker 15: the Vegas star or the Sagittarius constellation with relevance to

50:55 Speaker 15: like interstellar objects like this, especially like impacting or green

51:00 Speaker 15: in color or anomalous things at all.

51:03 Speaker 5: Yeah.

51:03 Speaker 1: So an important point to make about that is that

51:08 Speaker 1: in any direction on the sky, there could be a

51:10 Speaker 1: lot of stars along that direction, because you know, there

51:12 Speaker 1: are one hundred billions of them in the Milkia galaxy.

51:15 Speaker 1: So if you just pick a direction, you can pass

51:17 Speaker 1: through very close to many stars and not just Vegas.

51:22 Speaker 1: So we don't know the specific star that it could

51:24 Speaker 1: have come from, any of the objects could have come from.

51:28 Speaker 1: But what we can ask is whether any two objects

51:32 Speaker 1: originate from the same direction in the sky. You know,

51:34 Speaker 1: that's something we can ask. And I looked into that,

51:37 Speaker 1: and it doesn't look like the other interstellar objects came

51:41 Speaker 1: from the same direction of three atlas. Then maybe some

51:45 Speaker 1: other objects that we will see in the future or

51:48 Speaker 1: that we miss that came from that direction. The only

51:51 Speaker 1: coincidence I noticed was the WOW signal, the radio signal

51:55 Speaker 1: from nineteen seventy seven, which surprisingly came from within nine

51:59 Speaker 1: degree of that direction. And it's either a signature of

52:04 Speaker 1: some transmitter on free outlas or some other source that

52:09 Speaker 1: communicate with your atlus, or something that by chance happened

52:12 Speaker 1: to be in the same direction. This is the only

52:14 Speaker 1: radio signal that was claimed to be definitely exceterational without

52:19 Speaker 1: a good explanation, and so since nineteen seventy seven, there

52:24 Speaker 1: may have been more signals, there may have been more

52:26 Speaker 1: interestedar objects. We don't know. So I'm trying to bring

52:31 Speaker 1: awareness into the radio community to be aware of those

52:37 Speaker 1: possibilities and just look if there is any radio emission

52:40 Speaker 1: from any of the interested objects we'll find in the future,

52:43 Speaker 1: also check. I mean, there was no report from Free Atlas,

52:47 Speaker 1: so you know, it's always working progress, but we need

52:51 Speaker 1: to find some clinging evidence that will convince beyond any

52:54 Speaker 1: doubt that we're dealing with some technological device. And that's

52:58 Speaker 1: what I'm after once once we find it, you know,

53:03 Speaker 1: the conversation with change.

53:06 Speaker 2: Thank you all right, folks on behalf of all of us.

53:11 Speaker 4: Thank you so much. Job it was it's a pleasure.

53:13 Speaker 4: I hope to see you again and appreciate all that

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53:24 Speaker 1: Thank you for having me.

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1:01:40 Speaker 18: getting them into a place where they're able to potentially testify.

1:01:44 Speaker 18: So a lot of the nuclear witnesses are getting up

1:01:46 Speaker 18: there in age. Bob Zallice is eighty six, Shindelli is

1:01:51 Speaker 18: right around there as well. So a lot of these

1:01:53 Speaker 18: nuclear witnesses, you know, they they know that the clock

1:01:58 Speaker 18: is ticking and they want to do their part for

1:02:02 Speaker 18: the American people, and they want to sit in front

1:02:05 Speaker 18: of an open congressional hearing and talk about the stories

1:02:08 Speaker 18: that I think are some of the most pertinent in

1:02:10 Speaker 18: the UFO community. They have to do with our most

1:02:13 Speaker 18: sensitive facilities. You know, people in this in this symposium

1:02:17 Speaker 18: today have talked about the drone incursions and all these things.

1:02:21 Speaker 18: So imagine if just imagine some years ago, uh this

1:02:25 Speaker 18: all being very very low key, the Internet non existing,

1:02:30 Speaker 18: but having the same type of incursions over your military facilities.

1:02:34 Speaker 18: I mean imagine being the people that are on the

1:02:38 Speaker 18: base and they are they're the ones who are going

1:02:42 Speaker 18: to determine, you know, what happens, how it happens, and

1:02:45 Speaker 18: why right, And they have the most destructive weapons on

1:02:51 Speaker 18: those bases. So when we have incursions of UFO and

1:02:54 Speaker 18: u AP over those sensitive facilities, knowing how they operate,

1:02:58 Speaker 18: what their sps are, how tight they take everything, and

1:03:02 Speaker 18: how they vet the people that are working in those facilities,

1:03:06 Speaker 18: when they come out and start telling stories about Listen,

1:03:10 Speaker 18: this craft came over and disabled ten of our nuclear weapons.

1:03:13 Speaker 18: We owe it to them to hear them out. So

1:03:17 Speaker 18: I'll start off with something I wrote. It has to

1:03:20 Speaker 18: do with united unity in the community touches on some

1:03:24 Speaker 18: of the UFO you know, nuclear aspect, and that we

1:03:29 Speaker 18: can that we can open up and talk and have

1:03:32 Speaker 18: a have a roundabout discussion if you will. So obviously

1:03:35 Speaker 18: it's honor to be here with everyone today at the symposium.

1:03:39 Speaker 18: Like Jim and Jane said, one of a kind new

1:03:42 Speaker 18: thing they're trying out. I really really love the opportunity

1:03:46 Speaker 18: to speak. It's a gathering that's, you know, not just

1:03:48 Speaker 18: about UFOs, but something deeper uniting the community. We're all

1:03:53 Speaker 18: here because of a mystery some of us. Some of

1:03:56 Speaker 18: us have chased it for decades. Some are new to

1:03:59 Speaker 18: the path, some have seeing things they'll never forget. Some

1:04:03 Speaker 18: are here out of curiosity or skepticism. But whatever your

1:04:07 Speaker 18: background is, whatever our differences are, we share one powerful thing,

1:04:12 Speaker 18: we want the truth. And yet we also share something else,

1:04:17 Speaker 18: a responsibility because disclosure, real disclosure. It's not an event,

1:04:22 Speaker 18: it's not a headline, it's not even a government hearing.

1:04:26 Speaker 18: It is a process. It's a movement and at its

1:04:29 Speaker 18: heart it's people.

1:04:32 Speaker 9: So over the past several.

1:04:33 Speaker 18: Years, my own work has taken me into some of

1:04:35 Speaker 18: the most sensitive corners of the subject. I'm focused heavily

1:04:39 Speaker 18: on the connection between UFOs and our nuclear weapons and facilities. Arguably,

1:04:44 Speaker 18: it is one of the most disturbing and consequent quencil

1:04:47 Speaker 18: aspects of the phenomenon. I've worked directly with Bob saalas

1:04:51 Speaker 18: one of the most credible and courageous witnesses we have,

1:04:54 Speaker 18: whose account of the nineteen sixty seven Malmstrom Air Force

1:04:58 Speaker 18: Base missile shutdown that means a cornerstone case for those

1:05:02 Speaker 18: who don't know, multiple nuclear missiles went offline under circumstances

1:05:06 Speaker 18: that no one can explain, with identified unidentified objects observed

1:05:11 Speaker 18: above the base.

1:05:13 Speaker 9: This wasn't a story that was told in whispers.

1:05:16 Speaker 18: This was documented, It was recorded, and it was confirmed

1:05:18 Speaker 18: by multiple personnel in multiple facilities. In the last two years,

1:05:24 Speaker 18: I've helped facilitate briefings with members of Congress, including Nancy

1:05:27 Speaker 18: Mace and Eric Berlson, bringing Bob's testimony in others evidence

1:05:32 Speaker 18: directly to policymakers in DC after both subsequent recent UAP hearings.

1:05:40 Speaker 18: From the outside, that might not really sound like disclosure

1:05:43 Speaker 18: in action, but here's what I've learned from being inside

1:05:46 Speaker 18: those rooms. Our leaders they can't do this alone. They

1:05:50 Speaker 18: can only act on what they understand, what they can

1:05:53 Speaker 18: only understand, and they can only understand what we show them,

1:05:59 Speaker 18: which means the burden isn't on them, it's on us.

1:06:03 Speaker 18: We often talk about disclosure like it's a single moment,

1:06:06 Speaker 18: like the curtain's just going to drop, and the President's

1:06:08 Speaker 18: going to come out speaking, and the craft's going to

1:06:12 Speaker 18: get wheeled out on stage and suddenly humanity has changed forever.

1:06:15 Speaker 18: It is a compelling fantasy, but that's not how history works.

1:06:20 Speaker 18: History doesn't leap, it builds. Civil rights didn't happen in

1:06:24 Speaker 18: a day. Women's suffrage didn't happen in a day. The

1:06:28 Speaker 18: Berlin Wall didn't fall in a day because of one

1:06:31 Speaker 18: speech or one act. These were movements built on countless

1:06:36 Speaker 18: individuals making countless small choices across decades to push for

1:06:41 Speaker 18: something bigger than just themselves, and disclosure will be no different,

1:06:46 Speaker 18: which means we have to meet our leaders halfway. You

1:06:50 Speaker 18: might not agree with Trump, you might not agree with

1:06:53 Speaker 18: this politician that politician, but we do need to set

1:06:56 Speaker 18: that aside for something that is bigger than ourselves. It

1:07:01 Speaker 18: means we have to put aside our differences, even sometimes

1:07:05 Speaker 18: our ego.

1:07:06 Speaker 9: To move the ball forward.

1:07:07 Speaker 18: I know it's hard for a lot of people, especially

1:07:09 Speaker 18: in this community, but it's something we're going to have

1:07:11 Speaker 18: to get used to. It means not just demanding transparency,

1:07:16 Speaker 18: but also demonstrating credibility, patience.

1:07:19 Speaker 9: And unity, not the vision. Think about the scope of

1:07:23 Speaker 9: what we're talking about.

1:07:25 Speaker 18: The Molmster missile shutdowns in sixty seven, Rendelsham Forest incident

1:07:29 Speaker 18: near NATO nuclear assets in nineteen eighty, the ongoing encounters

1:07:33 Speaker 18: our navy pilots have reported and keep reporting off of

1:07:36 Speaker 18: both of our coasts since at least two thousand and four.

1:07:40 Speaker 9: These are not just lights in the sky.

1:07:43 Speaker 18: These are objects under intelligent control, operating where they should

1:07:47 Speaker 18: not be, sometimes interfering with our most sensitive technologies. I

1:07:52 Speaker 18: don't think this is just a US issue. I don't

1:07:55 Speaker 18: think anyone would say it is. It's not even just

1:07:58 Speaker 18: a national security issue. It's a human issue. And that

1:08:02 Speaker 18: means every single person in this room, across the Internet,

1:08:06 Speaker 18: every single citizen out there, has a vested interest in

1:08:09 Speaker 18: what's happening. But here's the challenge. We're living in the

1:08:14 Speaker 18: information age, and with information comes disinformation. For every credible

1:08:19 Speaker 18: whistleblower that comes out, there's also going to be a charlatan.

1:08:24 Speaker 18: For every declassified document, there's a hoax. For every effort

1:08:28 Speaker 18: to bring clarity, there is an effort to muddy the waters.

1:08:32 Speaker 9: This isn't chaos.

1:08:34 Speaker 18: It's a strategy because as long as we're divided, distracted

1:08:38 Speaker 18: and distrustful of one another, we're not going to be effective.

1:08:41 Speaker 18: And we're absolutely not united. And let's be honest, sometimes

1:08:46 Speaker 18: we make it easy. This field can start to feel

1:08:49 Speaker 18: like a cosmic version of a family dinner. Uncle Bob

1:08:52 Speaker 18: said he saw the Nordics. Cousin Sue says, the government

1:08:55 Speaker 18: has bodies in a freezer. Somebody flips the table, and

1:08:57 Speaker 18: before you know it, the whole family is not listening.

1:09:02 Speaker 9: But we can do better than that. We have to

1:09:04 Speaker 9: do better.

1:09:04 Speaker 18: Than that, because if we don't, if we let the

1:09:07 Speaker 18: noise drowned out the signal, then we risk something far

1:09:11 Speaker 18: greater than losing a debate on Twitter. We risk losing

1:09:15 Speaker 18: our chance, maybe our last chance, to do something extraordinary.

1:09:20 Speaker 18: This is bigger than politics, bigger than secrecy.

1:09:23 Speaker 9: It's bigger than technology.

1:09:25 Speaker 18: This is about who we are as a species and

1:09:28 Speaker 18: who we want to be in the future. The true

1:09:32 Speaker 18: point of disclosure isn't simply to find out what's in

1:09:34 Speaker 18: the sky, it's to find out what's inside of us.

1:09:39 Speaker 18: Disclosure is the ultimate test of whether we can rise

1:09:42 Speaker 18: above the fear, the ego, and division and stand together

1:09:46 Speaker 18: as one human family in the face of something larger

1:09:50 Speaker 18: than ourselves. So the moment we decide whether we're just

1:09:54 Speaker 18: tribes fighting over turf and resource or for our civilization

1:09:58 Speaker 18: that's ready to meet our cosmic neighbors, it's the phenomenon

1:10:03 Speaker 18: showing us. If the phenomenon is showing us anything, it's this.

1:10:09 Speaker 18: We are being asked to grow up, and right now

1:10:12 Speaker 18: we're not doing a really good job. So my message

1:10:15 Speaker 18: to you today is this, Disclosure starts with us. It

1:10:20 Speaker 18: starts with humility, It starts with vigilance. It starts with

1:10:26 Speaker 18: the willingness to see our neighbors as allies, not opposition.

1:10:31 Speaker 18: Because whether you're here for the science, the spirituality, or

1:10:34 Speaker 18: the security implications, hell, maybe you don't believe any of

1:10:38 Speaker 18: it all, we're all ultimately here for the same reason,

1:10:43 Speaker 18: the future. And if there is one legacy this movement

1:10:47 Speaker 18: can leave, one history can write, let it be this

1:10:51 Speaker 18: that when faced with the greatest mystery of our time,

1:10:55 Speaker 18: we didn't turn on each other and run. We turn

1:10:59 Speaker 18: toward each each other and embraced in doing so. We

1:11:03 Speaker 18: didn't just reveal what was in the skies, we revealed

1:11:06 Speaker 18: what humanity truly is.

1:11:09 Speaker 9: Thank you. That's my message to the community today. It

1:11:14 Speaker 9: is ah.

1:11:16 Speaker 18: I mean like, it's very interesting for me starting off

1:11:21 Speaker 18: as a very very nuts and bolts kind of person

1:11:24 Speaker 18: at a siding when I was very very young, and

1:11:28 Speaker 18: so for me, it was a lot of the time

1:11:29 Speaker 18: it was very very nuts and bolts, and I didn't

1:11:34 Speaker 18: really want to go into the abduction stuff. I didn't

1:11:36 Speaker 18: want to go into the consciousness stuff because that's when

1:11:40 Speaker 18: the line where the message gets a.

1:11:43 Speaker 9: Little money for me.

1:11:44 Speaker 18: But I think it's all of these things together that

1:11:47 Speaker 18: are going to be what pushes us forward. So it's

1:11:50 Speaker 18: not just one thing. It's not just this thing. It's

1:11:53 Speaker 18: not just this person or faction. And if you're defending

1:11:56 Speaker 18: your favorite UFO guru, like it's your fantasy football team,

1:11:59 Speaker 18: then we have a problem. And that's what's happening right

1:12:02 Speaker 18: now is every person thinks they're going to be the

1:12:05 Speaker 18: one to to move disclosure across the line. When it's

1:12:09 Speaker 18: a team effort, it's a team sport.

1:12:12 Speaker 9: If that makes sense.

1:12:16 Speaker 2: That was so painful.

1:12:21 Speaker 4: Moving and it makes sense when you when you stay

1:12:24 Speaker 4: there because I have a lot of favorites almost like.

1:12:26 Speaker 5: I love you.

1:12:29 Speaker 2: But that's right there. It's a team.

1:12:31 Speaker 18: Effort, yes, Like for instance, like and I don't mind

1:12:35 Speaker 18: saying it, like doctor Greer is not going to be

1:12:38 Speaker 18: the one that pushes disclosure over the edge.

1:12:40 Speaker 9: Lason is not going to be the one that pushes

1:12:43 Speaker 9: it over the edge. All of us.

1:12:45 Speaker 18: Together, working together, in spite of all the differences that

1:12:49 Speaker 18: we have across the globe. That's what's going to move

1:12:53 Speaker 18: it forward. Pressure, global pressure, And you know there's talks

1:12:58 Speaker 18: and government of you know, I closed doors of a

1:13:01 Speaker 18: what they call, what is it a chaotic disclosure?

1:13:04 Speaker 2: Chaotic?

1:13:05 Speaker 9: Yeah, so that's like.

1:13:06 Speaker 18: So what happened to me at nine years old when

1:13:09 Speaker 18: I saw a UFO just right over my head? My

1:13:12 Speaker 18: reality became fractured. So what if that happens to everybody

1:13:16 Speaker 18: all at once, that's going.

1:13:18 Speaker 9: To be a big problem.

1:13:19 Speaker 18: So something just shows up here tomorrow right now, that's

1:13:23 Speaker 18: going to be it's going to break people.

1:13:25 Speaker 9: So I think what they're trying to do, this is

1:13:28 Speaker 9: my opinion.

1:13:28 Speaker 18: And three ialyst comes into this, I think because maybe

1:13:32 Speaker 18: they've known for quite some time that something's on its

1:13:34 Speaker 18: way and that they can't keep the secrecy under wraps

1:13:37 Speaker 18: any longer.

1:13:38 Speaker 9: That it was going to force their hand.

1:13:41 Speaker 18: And that's why this kind of slow drip disclosure started.

1:13:47 Speaker 18: But again, I think we're gonna have to meet our

1:13:49 Speaker 18: leaders halfway.

1:13:50 Speaker 9: We have to put the politics aside.

1:13:52 Speaker 19: Yeah, and this is what I've said for some time

1:13:54 Speaker 19: that it seems, you know, and these phrases, you know, disclosure,

1:13:58 Speaker 19: that's you know, these are terms of our as I've

1:14:01 Speaker 19: said in the intelligence world, control disclosure and all that.

1:14:07 Speaker 19: What I see is the happening now is the next phase,

1:14:11 Speaker 19: which is transitioned by design.

1:14:13 Speaker 5: And I know a lot of people said it, like

1:14:15 Speaker 5: you said, people.

1:14:18 Speaker 19: People want they want, they want to be you know,

1:14:21 Speaker 19: under testimony, something wheeled in in the alien, you know,

1:14:26 Speaker 19: walks in behind him and introduces himself.

1:14:29 Speaker 5: And not going to happen, even if possible, I'm not

1:14:33 Speaker 5: gonna happen.

1:14:34 Speaker 19: Well, what we're you know, I think I think we're

1:14:37 Speaker 19: past disclosure, and we are in what's called transition by design.

1:14:43 Speaker 5: And you know, I say we're past disclosure because.

1:14:46 Speaker 19: Again, we have agencies and organizations, we have progressional hearings,

1:14:53 Speaker 19: we have the thing that says there's stuff we don't

1:14:57 Speaker 19: know about right out the new on that is people

1:15:03 Speaker 19: want to hige, yes, you do know about it, right,

1:15:06 Speaker 19: and how much it's you know, you don't know, but

1:15:08 Speaker 19: somebody knows that.

1:15:09 Speaker 5: I want to know, and all the rest and question

1:15:13 Speaker 5: and then and then right, why you want to know?

1:15:19 Speaker 5: For what reason?

1:15:21 Speaker 19: Just to know you know, what is going to materially

1:15:25 Speaker 19: change in your day to day life.

1:15:29 Speaker 5: So there's that aspect of it. There's the aspect and

1:15:32 Speaker 5: and you know again fine lines. Right.

1:15:35 Speaker 19: I agree that the truth, that truth and accountability is important.

1:15:42 Speaker 19: I've said it before, like I said it on You

1:15:44 Speaker 19: Know with you and your show, that there have been

1:15:48 Speaker 19: decades of people whose lives, families, careers were ruined and

1:15:54 Speaker 19: literally ended because they just asked questions about things that

1:16:01 Speaker 19: they didn't understand. Right, And in my own experience in

1:16:06 Speaker 19: this community, I get I get the feeling of frustration

1:16:13 Speaker 19: of the whistleblowers and these people you know, through through

1:16:17 Speaker 19: the decades. Right, I came out with you know, I

1:16:21 Speaker 19: had my father in law's work dropped to my lamp.

1:16:24 Speaker 19: I had no idea what it was all about and

1:16:27 Speaker 19: reached out to everybody who was the expert, the champion

1:16:32 Speaker 19: of disclosure, the this, the that, and the other, saying

1:16:36 Speaker 19: can you have a look? You know, can you look

1:16:40 Speaker 19: for once I did start reaching researching it myself, you know,

1:16:46 Speaker 19: saying can you you know this is what I think

1:16:50 Speaker 19: it might be. Can we have a professional conversation to

1:16:55 Speaker 19: some degree between somebody who has I think significant evidence

1:17:03 Speaker 19: I think is significant? What did I What did you

1:17:06 Speaker 19: get you?

1:17:11 Speaker 9: Yeah, there's resistance to other resistance. Yeah, it's flat out

1:17:18 Speaker 9: closing the door on you.

1:17:19 Speaker 19: Right, you know what what would have been nice is conversation,

1:17:25 Speaker 19: right follow up to the email?

1:17:28 Speaker 5: Uh, you know again.

1:17:31 Speaker 9: A bit of discourse, just a bit.

1:17:33 Speaker 5: Of acknowledgement that I was to be reaching out for help.

1:17:38 Speaker 18: With, especially given and what I find peculiar about your

1:17:43 Speaker 18: your framework is that you do have this kind of

1:17:48 Speaker 18: technical blueprint and there are many people who stories and

1:17:53 Speaker 18: that that would fit with it, and it would kind

1:17:57 Speaker 18: of make maybe maybe the picture a little clearer. But

1:18:00 Speaker 18: due to you not having enough conferences under your belt

1:18:04 Speaker 18: or enough notoriety in your in yours, this one.

1:18:10 Speaker 5: Makes me mental.

1:18:11 Speaker 19: Right, I'm an Air Force veteran, Yes, all right served

1:18:15 Speaker 19: in the desert Swarm Somolian Buzznian Presidential Honor Guard. Ye right,

1:18:22 Speaker 19: No one wants to get a good clear military record.

1:18:25 Speaker 19: I'm you know, I worked as a contractor c I AD,

1:18:29 Speaker 19: I a only.

1:18:35 Speaker 2: Yeah.

1:18:35 Speaker 9: So yeah, you brought me a great sign for the

1:18:37 Speaker 9: studio world.

1:18:39 Speaker 5: As you mentioned earlier in my introduction.

1:18:41 Speaker 19: I'm a corporate yes, I mean on show oil on

1:18:46 Speaker 19: the case in Nigeria and went all the way to

1:18:49 Speaker 19: the UK screen cort right.

1:18:54 Speaker 5: From the street. In extent. Now I'm retired. I didn't

1:18:59 Speaker 5: do any this while I was in the world, you.

1:19:02 Speaker 9: Know, And that's when people stopped listening.

1:19:04 Speaker 19: And that's what they stopped because it's you know, it's it's.

1:19:10 Speaker 5: Crazy to me that in particular and particularly I'm doing

1:19:14 Speaker 5: all the work.

1:19:14 Speaker 19: Right mind you and anybody I said this to said, wow,

1:19:19 Speaker 19: this is amazing, and you know and I and I

1:19:22 Speaker 19: said to me, you know, I done.

1:19:24 Speaker 5: With you guys, you know, first introduced you to it.

1:19:27 Speaker 17: This is what I want.

1:19:28 Speaker 5: This is what the first person who was like, I

1:19:35 Speaker 5: know what to do with this. You have never heard

1:19:38 Speaker 5: my name, you never heard from me.

1:19:41 Speaker 19: ID have just handed it over and been like, you know,

1:19:45 Speaker 19: those guy's green lights.

1:19:46 Speaker 5: God bless you. You know, you know, if there's a

1:19:49 Speaker 5: party at the end of this, you know, or what

1:19:52 Speaker 5: have you.

1:19:52 Speaker 19: But but it was this idea that I'm you know,

1:19:55 Speaker 19: to sit and watch all of these things go on online.

1:19:59 Speaker 5: Well I wonder what this is.

1:20:00 Speaker 19: I wonder that, and this is what I think and that,

1:20:03 Speaker 19: and then then to say, well, listen, I've got this

1:20:05 Speaker 19: body of engineering work and I tested it against this.

1:20:09 Speaker 19: But what you're saying on the right crack, here's something

1:20:13 Speaker 19: that adds to it, you know what I get.

1:20:15 Speaker 5: Then well, I still think, you know, I don't know

1:20:19 Speaker 5: what to do with you.

1:20:20 Speaker 19: Then then I don't know how to help you because

1:20:24 Speaker 19: you're so convinced by your ideas that you know, they

1:20:31 Speaker 19: just block out anything that it seems to even add

1:20:37 Speaker 19: to them.

1:20:38 Speaker 5: Everine contradict.

1:20:40 Speaker 9: It's like a it's a very big problem.

1:20:42 Speaker 5: You want to add to it.

1:20:43 Speaker 20: But you know, the these walls go up and these

1:20:46 Speaker 20: little victems, you know, formed, and that's part of the

1:20:50 Speaker 20: reason why you know we're doing what we're doing in

1:20:52 Speaker 20: formats like this to say it doesn't you know, nobody's

1:20:56 Speaker 20: trying to steal your audience.

1:20:59 Speaker 5: He's trying to think money, you punk it for your

1:21:01 Speaker 5: you know, for your book.

1:21:03 Speaker 18: You know, the rising tie lifts all the ships, but

1:21:08 Speaker 18: no one wants to see that, David.

1:21:09 Speaker 5: And my thing is my challenge.

1:21:12 Speaker 19: Here is the idea, and it's why I become more skeptical.

1:21:16 Speaker 19: And then I become more convinced that the worst thing

1:21:20 Speaker 19: in the world that can happen for any.

1:21:22 Speaker 5: Of them is disclosure.

1:21:24 Speaker 21: Absolutely, because if you your scenario comes true and from

1:21:29 Speaker 21: as you know, the Rose Garden and gives a speech

1:21:32 Speaker 21: and they wheel everything out, this entire the celebrities of

1:21:39 Speaker 21: the entire community, you're done.

1:21:41 Speaker 19: They're all gone, because then what happens is your your David,

1:21:46 Speaker 19: yours and your Lester holes.

1:21:49 Speaker 5: Yes, no, I don't see.

1:21:53 Speaker 19: Starting retired for star general, retired admiral and how they

1:21:58 Speaker 19: can talk about everything.

1:21:59 Speaker 5: And now they've had a bigger.

1:22:00 Speaker 9: Broader no more need for mister disclosure. The middle man

1:22:06 Speaker 9: needs to get kind out.

1:22:07 Speaker 19: And scientists, you know, like professor oh, you know, come

1:22:11 Speaker 19: out and they're like, oh, well, now we see what

1:22:13 Speaker 19: this is.

1:22:13 Speaker 5: Now I can explain you know, amateur hours old.

1:22:17 Speaker 18: Yeah, And the thing is one of the things that

1:22:20 Speaker 18: I talk about many you know, I don't want to

1:22:23 Speaker 18: sit in a room where everyone agrees with everything I say.

1:22:26 Speaker 9: I like a little discourse. I like when someone challenges

1:22:30 Speaker 9: me and.

1:22:30 Speaker 22: The construction or nothing, no personal tax punt again in

1:22:35 Speaker 22: a constructive.

1:22:36 Speaker 9: The fact that you even have to say that is

1:22:38 Speaker 9: a problem.

1:22:39 Speaker 22: Because because people takes the heart, and you know, they

1:22:43 Speaker 22: like you, like and like you said his personalities and

1:22:48 Speaker 22: so forth, and people have their favorites of fruiting.

1:22:51 Speaker 18: Remember, and and anyone and anyone, I wish they would

1:22:55 Speaker 18: have stayed because I would have liked to pull this.

1:22:57 Speaker 18: But anyone who is I would say, thirty years of

1:23:02 Speaker 18: age or above would know this. And do you remember

1:23:05 Speaker 18: when you grew up and the phrase it takes a

1:23:08 Speaker 18: village came?

1:23:09 Speaker 9: You know, right, it takes a village, right I was.

1:23:13 Speaker 9: I didn't have just my mother when I was growing up.

1:23:16 Speaker 18: The community that the neighborhood I grew up in, we

1:23:19 Speaker 18: had an open door everywhere.

1:23:21 Speaker 2: Right.

1:23:21 Speaker 9: We could walk in to Zach's house.

1:23:24 Speaker 18: We could walk into Mike's house, and we'd get dinner

1:23:27 Speaker 18: and whatever they were having.

1:23:28 Speaker 9: It was this communal thing. But I look around in.

1:23:31 Speaker 18: My neighborhood now and everybody hangs each other. No, and

1:23:37 Speaker 18: everybody's doors locked and everybody if you, God forbid, you

1:23:40 Speaker 18: have a different political belief Now you're not just someone

1:23:46 Speaker 18: I'm not going to talk to, but you're the enemy.

1:23:49 Speaker 23: We've been super dessensive, funny, it's scary now open minded

1:23:57 Speaker 23: and people's different.

1:24:01 Speaker 2: No, that's the uh uh motives.

1:24:07 Speaker 24: And then in real about school and uh and I

1:24:15 Speaker 24: will under people that.

1:24:22 Speaker 5: Where people.

1:24:29 Speaker 10: That I believe your opinion.

1:24:38 Speaker 5: Saying well your.

1:24:40 Speaker 9: Opinion, shake hands and walk away. There's no more of that.

1:24:45 Speaker 19: We had a situation on one of the other shows.

1:24:47 Speaker 19: I do you know somebody came in. We have the

1:24:50 Speaker 19: after chat, and you know, somebody came in. He's, oh, man,

1:24:53 Speaker 19: did you see from He's going mental blah blah blah

1:24:55 Speaker 19: blah blah. He's saying all this crazy stuff. No, I

1:24:59 Speaker 19: haven't seen you know. Uh so he'sa can I play it? Okay,

1:25:03 Speaker 19: something you want to talk about, go ahead and play it.

1:25:05 Speaker 19: And the clip he played, you know, after watched it,

1:25:07 Speaker 19: I just said to him, well, I think the clip

1:25:11 Speaker 19: and what you were saying about it is is out

1:25:14 Speaker 19: of context. I think the context wasn't he was saying

1:25:18 Speaker 19: something crazy.

1:25:19 Speaker 5: It was.

1:25:20 Speaker 19: It was a discussion happening before that clip the person

1:25:24 Speaker 19: who started speaking went off.

1:25:27 Speaker 5: And went to the suspect and this, and so people

1:25:31 Speaker 5: are like, yeah, you didn't want to hear it.

1:25:34 Speaker 19: He just wanted affirmation of, you know, his opinion, and

1:25:39 Speaker 19: everybody else to say, oh, you know, and.

1:25:42 Speaker 5: And again you know, my career, my career, right, she

1:25:47 Speaker 5: would analysis. I don't.

1:25:50 Speaker 19: I you know, I hardly watched the news. I'll hardly reactor,

1:25:54 Speaker 19: you know, to a headline. If I see a headline,

1:25:58 Speaker 19: then I go investigate on my own to see what

1:26:01 Speaker 19: it actually is.

1:26:02 Speaker 5: The headline story never matches.

1:26:05 Speaker 18: Well, you know what's funny is now, I've been, like

1:26:09 Speaker 18: I said, I've been working with some of the nuclear witnesses,

1:26:12 Speaker 18: and without giving too much away, let's just say they're

1:26:19 Speaker 18: they're mostly blue, if you catch my drift.

1:26:23 Speaker 9: So but the but the only people that will meet them.

1:26:27 Speaker 18: Are red Nancy Mace Burlison. So imagine setting these conversations up. Fundamentally,

1:26:34 Speaker 18: the witness disagrees wholeheartedly with the member, but in that moment,

1:26:40 Speaker 18: they're just And it's the most beautiful thing. I watched

1:26:44 Speaker 18: a very democratic person tear up to a Republican because

1:26:53 Speaker 18: at that moment he was just happy he was getting

1:26:55 Speaker 18: to tell his story to a sitting member of Congress

1:26:58 Speaker 18: who had just that day chair to hearing on umbos,

1:27:02 Speaker 18: which are the only topic I know of that are

1:27:05 Speaker 18: typically bipartisans completely.

1:27:08 Speaker 5: Oh and and again they're they're cross national borders.

1:27:12 Speaker 19: You know, we're not talking about something that's and a

1:27:15 Speaker 19: lot of people have that misperception. I think, you know,

1:27:17 Speaker 19: we're just so much more open about it. And to

1:27:20 Speaker 19: go back to the earlier point about this this period

1:27:24 Speaker 19: of transition by design, well, what we're seeing from other

1:27:29 Speaker 19: nations now is an indicator of transition by design that

1:27:33 Speaker 19: our allies are beginning to have some little conversations.

1:27:37 Speaker 5: Yes, adverse to that in the u K.

1:27:40 Speaker 19: Where they had they took me, but I think it

1:27:44 Speaker 19: was Brazil.

1:27:46 Speaker 9: Brazil is pretty forward, Yeah.

1:27:48 Speaker 5: You know, pretty big, you know, hearing on it.

1:27:53 Speaker 19: But you know, even the statements like well more office,

1:28:01 Speaker 19: not in the office. And again from a political standpoint,

1:28:04 Speaker 19: those are very yes, because so long as they do

1:28:08 Speaker 19: not say it or indicated when they are ahead of.

1:28:12 Speaker 5: State, then it is not a finishing right. And that's why, man,

1:28:18 Speaker 5: we'll talk about it. You haven't talked about and everybody

1:28:22 Speaker 5: in that circle.

1:28:24 Speaker 19: Trips that again just because you know, I agree, it's

1:28:29 Speaker 19: it's setting the stage or something.

1:28:32 Speaker 5: You know where they're you know, going to make it.

1:28:37 Speaker 19: More revolves, make a more your right statement, be more transparent.

1:28:42 Speaker 5: And you know, I guess as before twenty.

1:28:46 Speaker 19: Twenty seven is about any being live or anything else.

1:28:50 Speaker 19: It's seventy five years from nineteen fifty two.

1:28:54 Speaker 9: The UFOs flyover DC.

1:28:56 Speaker 19: See a lot of that automatically, that's classified. It's an

1:29:03 Speaker 19: easy political win, and that more than anything is going

1:29:08 Speaker 19: to determine when happens.

1:29:11 Speaker 1: It's a political win, right.

1:29:13 Speaker 9: Actually, you know, it's funny.

1:29:14 Speaker 18: So the three I at lists, I was, I I

1:29:18 Speaker 18: have a a friend who is a former NASA chief

1:29:21 Speaker 18: of uh he was chief of Aerospace Medicine and a

1:29:24 Speaker 18: chief flight surgeon for the for the Air Force. And

1:29:28 Speaker 18: he was telling me, I'm not sure if AV got

1:29:30 Speaker 18: through this during his I'm sure he did. I just

1:29:32 Speaker 18: didn't get to see it all, but uh he So

1:29:35 Speaker 18: the NASA doctor Rogers was telling me that first off,

1:29:39 Speaker 18: there's a bunch of nickel, but.

1:29:42 Speaker 9: There's no iron, which we don't usually see.

1:29:45 Speaker 18: Is very very odd like it takes a manufacturing process

1:29:49 Speaker 18: to separate. You always see nickel and iron together unless

1:29:54 Speaker 18: it's been manufactured to some degree and you take it

1:29:58 Speaker 18: out of it because I and is corrosive, it's heavy,

1:30:01 Speaker 18: it's not good for space, right, for spacecraft. So the

1:30:05 Speaker 18: fact that we're only seeing nickel on this Atlas thing,

1:30:09 Speaker 18: the shape of it, the trajectory of it, then the

1:30:11 Speaker 18: carbon ratio is upside down, all these oddities. I mean,

1:30:16 Speaker 18: could this be what we've been quote unquote waiting for.

1:30:20 Speaker 18: I don't know, but there's definitely a lot of oddities

1:30:23 Speaker 18: to it. And uh, he brought the wow signal. That's

1:30:26 Speaker 18: what caught my attention.

1:30:31 Speaker 19: Because it was the distance and the direction that the

1:30:35 Speaker 19: wow signal came from is the same essentially as my understanding.

1:30:38 Speaker 6: Right.

1:30:39 Speaker 18: But then Beatrice, that other doctor, she had correlated something

1:30:45 Speaker 18: with the DC flyover as well with the transience. So

1:30:50 Speaker 18: the fact that we're seeing all these similarities and the

1:30:55 Speaker 18: stories now start to come together, or the flyover and

1:31:00 Speaker 18: the transient objects, why why are we seeing these why

1:31:04 Speaker 18: these parallels these similarities again brings me back to this

1:31:08 Speaker 18: idea that the government has known something and has been

1:31:11 Speaker 18: getting it ready and kind of wait until the last

1:31:14 Speaker 18: minute to start unraveling or letting the mystery kind of

1:31:18 Speaker 18: slowly get out there.

1:31:19 Speaker 9: Could I be way off? Probably?

1:31:22 Speaker 5: Yeah?

1:31:22 Speaker 19: But then you know, in anything, listen, we do it,

1:31:24 Speaker 19: you know, we do it in families and relationships too, right,

1:31:27 Speaker 19: you know, when there's something coming, it's like, okay, I

1:31:31 Speaker 19: get a all right, I'm gonna tell my mom and

1:31:34 Speaker 19: dad first, or I'm gonna tell my uncle first and

1:31:36 Speaker 19: engage it there, and then I'm gonna go over to

1:31:39 Speaker 19: my second cousin exactly who's a little different, and I'm

1:31:42 Speaker 19: gonna road test it there.

1:31:44 Speaker 18: Right right, So we're seeing and you could even argue,

1:31:48 Speaker 18: you could argue that the pandemic, as much as I

1:31:51 Speaker 18: don't want to politicize anything, it could have been a

1:31:53 Speaker 18: test run for can we stop the world dead in

1:31:57 Speaker 18: its track?

1:31:58 Speaker 9: Can we pause everybody for a couple The answer is yes.

1:32:02 Speaker 19: The interesting thing about that, you know when that happened,

1:32:05 Speaker 19: and I found like a lot of the responses fascinating

1:32:08 Speaker 19: because if your recall, they were kind.

1:32:10 Speaker 5: Of scrambling to make plans, yes, for the couple of

1:32:15 Speaker 5: years prior to that.

1:32:16 Speaker 19: When I retired with twenty seventeen, so like twenty fourteen,

1:32:21 Speaker 19: twenty fourteen, when I was I was working actually with

1:32:24 Speaker 19: the guy who was a I can't say it was obvious.

1:32:28 Speaker 19: He was like a government.

1:32:30 Speaker 17: Advisor, right, And in New York State, that's all we

1:32:36 Speaker 17: were doing were plans working with FEMA and under some

1:32:41 Speaker 17: of the FEMA structures to create points of distribution for medicine.

1:32:50 Speaker 19: So we were signing contracts with universities, with Walmart from

1:32:54 Speaker 19: the parking lots, and then all these plans twenty fourteen,

1:32:59 Speaker 19: you know, we were putting them together at major This

1:33:03 Speaker 19: is how you're going to distribute medication.

1:33:07 Speaker 5: Right, And then I'm saying why are we now, Like

1:33:13 Speaker 5: I know it exists, I know you know.

1:33:15 Speaker 9: I know it's out there right right, So.

1:33:19 Speaker 19: Yeah, you know the idea that again they saw an opportunity,

1:33:24 Speaker 19: right let the crisis.

1:33:26 Speaker 9: Crazes go to ways.

1:33:27 Speaker 18: Yeah, and she, you know, the girl who asked the question.

1:33:33 Speaker 18: That's the first thing that came to my mind when

1:33:35 Speaker 18: they shut the government down. Where ATLAS was at the

1:33:38 Speaker 18: time almost eclipsing itself with us via the Sun, and

1:33:42 Speaker 18: now NASA can't use its funds if you will, that's

1:33:46 Speaker 18: really odd timing. So for you know, when when doctor

1:33:50 Speaker 18: lobes and said he doesn't think there's a correlation, I'm like,

1:33:55 Speaker 18: either the timing is impeccable because you know what else

1:33:58 Speaker 18: was in this was the the Disclosure Act was in

1:34:02 Speaker 18: that bill that got put down. So I think it

1:34:07 Speaker 18: could it be something that is a.

1:34:09 Speaker 9: Lot bigger behind the scenes than they want to tell us.

1:34:12 Speaker 9: I think the answer is probably yes. I think is

1:34:15 Speaker 9: this maybe just a rock? Probably right? But what is

1:34:21 Speaker 9: the motive?

1:34:21 Speaker 5: What the who?

1:34:23 Speaker 9: The why?

1:34:24 Speaker 18: That stuff really doesn't it doesn't really matter to me anymore.

1:34:29 Speaker 9: It's the why, Why are they? Why are they here?

1:34:32 Speaker 9: Why do they show themselves to certain people?

1:34:34 Speaker 18: A rock that's flying it through interstellar space at a

1:34:37 Speaker 18: very slow rate of speed, that.

1:34:39 Speaker 9: Has a little bit of offness.

1:34:42 Speaker 18: About its trajectory and composition, that doesn't really excite me.

1:34:46 Speaker 18: What excites me is the stories of like Betty and

1:34:49 Speaker 18: Barney Hill, stuff that can be here and be gone

1:34:52 Speaker 18: in an instant, The stuff that we know there are

1:34:55 Speaker 18: too many people saying exist. So is this just a

1:34:59 Speaker 18: left hand and like look at the left hand?

1:35:01 Speaker 9: So we can well, And this.

1:35:03 Speaker 19: Comes to that I often ask about because to me,

1:35:05 Speaker 19: you can't at bit it always okay. We cannot have

1:35:11 Speaker 19: a organized lactic federation who has established edicts over millennia.

1:35:20 Speaker 5: That's say, we will not interspere with you, perfect.

1:35:25 Speaker 19: Right, So we can't have this lactic federation sitting there

1:35:28 Speaker 19: doing that. We can't have graft that are living organisms

1:35:35 Speaker 19: in and of themselves and transform themselves through a transidia

1:35:40 Speaker 19: structure from plasma.

1:35:43 Speaker 5: To a solid to a submersible to a person and.

1:35:52 Speaker 19: You know, and and and a transcend you know, internal.

1:35:57 Speaker 5: This and that and then you see the huge different Rocky.

1:36:02 Speaker 5: It takes threty billion.

1:36:03 Speaker 18: Years to get here, to get here, right, So we can't.

1:36:07 Speaker 19: Have you, you know, we can't have then the galactic

1:36:11 Speaker 19: Federation and to come down and can telephon. I think

1:36:17 Speaker 19: we told you to put your dog away, but then

1:36:19 Speaker 19: play intergalactic charades the rest of the time.

1:36:24 Speaker 5: We're not actually giving you a message.

1:36:27 Speaker 9: I think I know what you would saying with that dog.

1:36:33 Speaker 19: You can't have I can, you know, go into your

1:36:36 Speaker 19: mind and things, but I don't.

1:36:41 Speaker 5: Will kind of telligent to.

1:36:45 Speaker 19: One another.

1:36:48 Speaker 5: And and you know.

1:36:49 Speaker 19: My fin man as I go on, is you know

1:36:54 Speaker 19: the idea again the galactic federation.

1:36:58 Speaker 5: And we can ask back and go to a call

1:37:02 Speaker 5: conference on the inside of the moon and body.

1:37:07 Speaker 19: And we considered a collference with all these inlantic light

1:37:11 Speaker 19: and spiritual beings.

1:37:14 Speaker 5: But we don't know ship.

1:37:18 Speaker 23: We don't have any answers, nothing, anything we don't have,

1:37:23 Speaker 23: and we have one another.

1:37:25 Speaker 5: Be nice to one another. Those nukes long and prosper,

1:37:31 Speaker 5: you know. And and that's why I see the more

1:37:34 Speaker 5: I hear about that. You know.

1:37:36 Speaker 19: Oh, I went to this meeting on the inside of

1:37:38 Speaker 19: the moon, and you know, they told me put my

1:37:41 Speaker 19: dog away, and then a few hours I'm fucking disappointed

1:37:45 Speaker 19: in the h n Hi. Yeah, bother coming. You are chaotic?

1:37:53 Speaker 24: You you know.

1:37:56 Speaker 6: I've worked with a few independent investigators and they're consistent

1:38:03 Speaker 6: with with therphologists that say non human intelligence has been

1:38:09 Speaker 6: trying to communicate him and raised for.

1:38:11 Speaker 2: Quite some.

1:38:17 Speaker 6: None the other other people will be just of happiness,

1:38:22 Speaker 6: enjoy the.

1:38:28 Speaker 5: Women with babies. So followers hopping around, right, it wouldn't

1:38:35 Speaker 5: really flatter message.

1:38:40 Speaker 1: Do you know?

1:38:40 Speaker 18: What I can say, what I can say with the

1:38:44 Speaker 18: like with affirmation, is that from mine not to Malmstrom,

1:38:50 Speaker 18: to Vandenberg, to Ellsworth, to Warring Air Force Base, all

1:38:57 Speaker 18: the way over to you modern day Ukraine former Soviet Union,

1:39:02 Speaker 18: the same craft have been seen or gash ifs, orange

1:39:09 Speaker 18: colored orbs have been seen coming over into restricted nuclear

1:39:14 Speaker 18: facilities and tampering with the the weapons technology. Whatever you

1:39:22 Speaker 18: want to say, I am seeing. I see a common

1:39:25 Speaker 18: thread from all these all these nuclear facilities.

1:39:31 Speaker 19: And those are the things I think are important, right,

1:39:33 Speaker 19: you know that those people are.

1:39:37 Speaker 5: That's what we're talking about.

1:39:38 Speaker 19: You know these we debate jellyfish blah blah blah blah blah. Right,

1:39:44 Speaker 19: for a purpose, So whether why are we seeing more orbs?

1:39:48 Speaker 19: Why do we you know why?

1:39:49 Speaker 5: Why? Because that thing.

1:39:51 Speaker 19: Seems to be fit for a purpose. What that purpose

1:39:55 Speaker 19: is we don't know. We don't understand.

1:39:57 Speaker 5: And you know all that I those are the know

1:40:02 Speaker 5: all the other stuff.

1:40:03 Speaker 18: It seems like it's always on the edge of what

1:40:05 Speaker 18: human capability is. Right, So that's why in the eighteen

1:40:09 Speaker 18: hundred they're seeing airships, right, it almost seems like it's

1:40:13 Speaker 18: it's trying to get us to push ourselves to the

1:40:15 Speaker 18: next limit, into the next limit. And what if that's

1:40:18 Speaker 18: always to get us to a place where we create

1:40:20 Speaker 18: AI and AI then becomes the beacon of the universe

1:40:23 Speaker 18: and says, hey, they've reached.

1:40:25 Speaker 9: A certain intelligence. You can come here now.

1:40:27 Speaker 19: Well, And so that's when I go back to my

1:40:29 Speaker 19: father in Law's work, right, because that's exactly he talks

1:40:32 Speaker 19: about tripartite nature of consciousness and human development, and that

1:40:40 Speaker 19: we are on this journey and every thousand years we

1:40:45 Speaker 19: get our little cosmic DNA download. We just had it

1:40:48 Speaker 19: in twenty twenty four was the majority of it. That

1:40:52 Speaker 19: was the right, twenty twenty four was the last tipping

1:40:55 Speaker 19: point and where we've entered this new phase of our

1:41:01 Speaker 19: intellectual and spiritual and logical development, you.

1:41:08 Speaker 5: Know, and and and it all fits them. All that

1:41:10 Speaker 5: being said, when I.

1:41:13 Speaker 25: Think I talked earlier about, you know, is his uh

1:41:16 Speaker 25: the idea that in the craft, the designs he talks

1:41:20 Speaker 25: about essentially piloting it, and that requires a human interface,

1:41:25 Speaker 25: a consciousness interface, and that's consciousness is able to tap

1:41:30 Speaker 25: into this information energy field and as well as the

1:41:35 Speaker 25: gravitational magni magnetic fields of the craft.

1:41:40 Speaker 19: We're so twenty six thousand years away from that, even

1:41:43 Speaker 19: even though we've gone our recent download. So there's a

1:41:48 Speaker 19: you know, a little bit of patience and you know,

1:41:50 Speaker 19: I guess you know, maybe about ten minutes.

1:41:52 Speaker 9: Here, well, that's that's what I mean.

1:41:54 Speaker 19: Bring it back into the UAP community, right, right, So

1:41:59 Speaker 19: we are on.

1:41:59 Speaker 5: A journe too. It's not just about the government.

1:42:02 Speaker 9: Stuff, right.

1:42:03 Speaker 18: We have to be very clear knowing that this is

1:42:07 Speaker 18: a general it's almost like a generational ship like the

1:42:10 Speaker 18: like if we have to understand that we might not

1:42:15 Speaker 18: get disclosure, but our kids might, and.

1:42:18 Speaker 9: We have to keep that mentality, if.

1:42:20 Speaker 18: You know, even if we don't get it, we need

1:42:22 Speaker 18: to keep pushing because eventually, you know, our kids, our kids, kids,

1:42:27 Speaker 18: whoever is, they're going to come into contact with someone

1:42:29 Speaker 18: and they need to be ready for when that time comes.

1:42:32 Speaker 9: Right, So that's it. Could that be why that you know,

1:42:35 Speaker 9: UFOs don't just land on the White House lawn.

1:42:37 Speaker 18: They instead influence individual people at a.

1:42:42 Speaker 9: At a smaller scale.

1:42:44 Speaker 18: They that's why a lot of people say they saw

1:42:46 Speaker 18: UFO and it was almost like it was meant for them.

1:42:49 Speaker 18: I think it was meant to spark them to go

1:42:51 Speaker 18: into this direction. It was meant for them. It was

1:42:54 Speaker 18: a sighting. Some people dead sightings where four people are

1:42:58 Speaker 18: there and three people don't see anything, one person does.

1:43:02 Speaker 9: Why does that happen? So I think there's a.

1:43:05 Speaker 18: Lot of questions to what consciousness is. The same psychologists

1:43:09 Speaker 18: that will tell you that you know, alien abduction isn't real.

1:43:14 Speaker 18: Can't tell me what consciousness is. So I'm like you

1:43:19 Speaker 18: have you can't say one or the other. Right, If

1:43:22 Speaker 18: you can't tell me what consciousness is, who are you

1:43:25 Speaker 18: to determine what is?

1:43:27 Speaker 5: What?

1:43:28 Speaker 18: Ken can't happen because the way I grew up, the

1:43:31 Speaker 18: world is a lot more gray than black and white, exactly.

1:43:34 Speaker 19: And that's where I think to you know, to your

1:43:36 Speaker 19: earlier point when it comes to the community and it

1:43:40 Speaker 19: comes to the work, everybody's trying to do right, you're

1:43:44 Speaker 19: you do what you do to get the message out,

1:43:48 Speaker 19: to get people's voices heard. You know, you were one

1:43:51 Speaker 19: of the first interviews that at times, you know, and

1:43:57 Speaker 19: to be appreciating the champion of people to share the stories.

1:44:04 Speaker 19: And in the same way, you know, we're part of this.

1:44:07 Speaker 19: You know, we've we've jumped both feet into this right

1:44:11 Speaker 19: and we just.

1:44:12 Speaker 5: Want to be helpful.

1:44:13 Speaker 9: It's amazing, right, we just want to listen.

1:44:17 Speaker 5: I think what we've got good. I work on it

1:44:19 Speaker 5: all day, every day.

1:44:21 Speaker 9: Literally, my sister.

1:44:24 Speaker 5: Natalians in the band there wad down, she walked, she

1:44:27 Speaker 5: walked in. That's the daughter of the scientists who papers

1:44:31 Speaker 5: are in that book. We're there, She's she's a Soviet experiment.

1:44:39 Speaker 18: Well, you guys came to for AVI for the most part,

1:44:46 Speaker 18: you said, he influenced you.

1:44:49 Speaker 9: How have you ever seen anything.

1:44:53 Speaker 5: Personally?

1:44:54 Speaker 8: I mean ten years ago, actually more in the line

1:44:57 Speaker 8: of years ago, I had a very encounter with an

1:45:03 Speaker 8: object where, yeah, I was I was going to go

1:45:09 Speaker 8: into the city from living in my scrainage and I

1:45:11 Speaker 8: was living with my friend Ashanti for a little bit.

1:45:14 Speaker 5: She was staying at my house, and this was like a.

1:45:16 Speaker 8: Ride and we always took and there were two walls

1:45:19 Speaker 8: of light in the sky, like right on the whole

1:45:22 Speaker 8: horizon line that were very very bright and very close

1:45:25 Speaker 8: to each other, and as it just didn't look familiar

1:45:28 Speaker 8: to me, and I remember saying like, oh, well, like

1:45:32 Speaker 8: what do you see that?

1:45:33 Speaker 5: Like look at that? And she was like, yeah, what

1:45:35 Speaker 5: is that?

1:45:36 Speaker 8: And she said to me, I think it's a sign.

1:45:39 Speaker 8: And when she said that, the right light blinked blue

1:45:42 Speaker 8: and then went back to white. So it was like

1:45:44 Speaker 8: two white lights next to each other, and we felt

1:45:48 Speaker 8: we willn't.

1:45:48 Speaker 9: Kind of whoa, like that's not usual down.

1:45:52 Speaker 8: And like turning into the gas station and I like,

1:45:57 Speaker 8: if I head up the window, like looking for this

1:45:58 Speaker 8: light again and it's now bonding from the section of

1:46:01 Speaker 8: the sky where it was. And then we looked up

1:46:05 Speaker 8: and they were like maybe eight or so lights and

1:46:10 Speaker 8: like this scattered on the bottom of this craft and

1:46:13 Speaker 8: like literally came to us and hovered above the gas

1:46:16 Speaker 8: station only a few miles both the trees and we

1:46:19 Speaker 8: both saw it, and we were like we yelled like, oh,

1:46:22 Speaker 8: look up, look up, and there was a guy like

1:46:24 Speaker 8: pumped and gas.

1:46:25 Speaker 5: Behind like he's underneath awning.

1:46:28 Speaker 10: Yeah.

1:46:28 Speaker 5: When we screamed like, oh, look.

1:46:29 Speaker 8: Up, place this thing just it left and it made

1:46:32 Speaker 8: no sound whatsoever.

1:46:35 Speaker 18: To my point, it seems almost targeted, right. It's you

1:46:39 Speaker 18: and her maybe were the only that was who it

1:46:42 Speaker 18: was for.

1:46:44 Speaker 5: People kind of like each other, like.

1:46:48 Speaker 19: We really see that.

1:46:49 Speaker 5: Do you still feel the way you felt, like, well,

1:46:52 Speaker 5: it's pretty common.

1:46:54 Speaker 9: Yeah, we're like that.

1:46:56 Speaker 8: It doesn't. It's like when you find something unusual, as guy, it's.

1:47:00 Speaker 18: Like yeah, and a lot of people be like, oh,

1:47:05 Speaker 18: why don't you take a picture, why don't you take

1:47:07 Speaker 18: a video? These things have a way of like just

1:47:09 Speaker 18: stopping you dead in your tracks. I think I was

1:47:11 Speaker 18: saying to him earlier, right, like completely melts away your

1:47:16 Speaker 18: reaction time and you just want to like be in

1:47:18 Speaker 18: the moment. And for me, it's like what does that mean?

1:47:22 Speaker 18: Does the who really matter?

1:47:24 Speaker 9: At that point? It's really the why, the what why?

1:47:28 Speaker 8: For me at least, you know, because.

1:47:37 Speaker 18: Right, maybe the guy pumping gas wasn't ready for that, right,

1:47:40 Speaker 18: Maybe he was. Maybe he was in a place of

1:47:44 Speaker 18: complete and utter like you know who. You know, he

1:47:46 Speaker 18: could have been a religious fundamentalist.

1:47:48 Speaker 9: You don't like so many things.

1:47:50 Speaker 5: Maybe he was.

1:47:53 Speaker 1: Right, he was at the.

1:47:54 Speaker 5: Wrong place and he knew it was going to happen.

1:47:57 Speaker 26: All yeah, yeah, So I've always thought about going.

1:48:12 Speaker 9: To just take a night and like back to the

1:48:15 Speaker 9: scene of the crime.

1:48:16 Speaker 27: If you're yeah, I've done it because I I had

1:48:21 Speaker 27: my sighting right in front of my my parents' house, right,

1:48:24 Speaker 27: And the only reason I had that sighting was my

1:48:26 Speaker 27: mom asked me to stay home from school that day

1:48:29 Speaker 27: and I was.

1:48:29 Speaker 9: Waiting for the kids.

1:48:31 Speaker 18: All the conditions that had to be checked for me

1:48:33 Speaker 18: to see what I saw it just.

1:48:37 Speaker 9: And then I had another experience years later on her

1:48:41 Speaker 9: death bed. So she was a common denominator in both

1:48:44 Speaker 9: of my experiences. So again it asked.

1:48:47 Speaker 18: It just brings me back to the the question of

1:48:51 Speaker 18: maybe not, you know, maybe showing up Independence day style

1:48:55 Speaker 18: is not going to be a good thing, right, but

1:49:00 Speaker 18: targeting certain people and then just over time and because

1:49:05 Speaker 18: time might not be anything to them, they have all

1:49:07 Speaker 18: the time in the world compared to our linear way

1:49:10 Speaker 18: of thinking about time.

1:49:11 Speaker 9: So they have the right, they have the resource to.

1:49:18 Speaker 18: Make a long term investment in us, rather than scaring

1:49:21 Speaker 18: everybody and and interjecting in a way that's clearly going

1:49:25 Speaker 18: to change humanity. Right. So I think they were like,

1:49:28 Speaker 18: all right, down to the individual, it is, right.

1:49:32 Speaker 9: So that's my thought.

1:49:34 Speaker 5: Last three minutes. So I'm gonna say for and it

1:49:39 Speaker 5: looks like Tucker is about ready Tucker.

1:49:46 Speaker 2: This this guy could put Tucker house and down. Like

1:49:52 Speaker 2: he's huge.

1:49:52 Speaker 6: He's not around them, not he's he's coming now.

1:49:59 Speaker 9: I appreciate you is letting me be here.

1:50:01 Speaker 22: We're thankful for having you, and you're going to be

1:50:04 Speaker 22: here for ye Yeah, so.

1:50:11 Speaker 19: You pop myself back in there, you know. Yeah, And

1:50:13 Speaker 19: I'll just say you know again, do you tee? You

1:50:16 Speaker 19: know you've been You've become a great friend to Nat

1:50:18 Speaker 19: and I and and uh, you know, we certainly appreciate

1:50:22 Speaker 19: what you do to help us. You know, spread the word,

1:50:25 Speaker 19: and I think you get.

1:50:26 Speaker 9: Where we're coming from that it is important.

1:50:28 Speaker 19: You know, we just we just want to help. As

1:50:30 Speaker 19: soon as that we were like this can this can

1:50:34 Speaker 19: move the needle, Let's move it.

1:50:36 Speaker 9: Yeah.

1:50:36 Speaker 18: And as soon as I heard about what you had,

1:50:40 Speaker 18: I might not have. I might not technically like and

1:50:43 Speaker 18: I mean this technically I might not technically understand what's

1:50:46 Speaker 18: on every page, but I know a lot about the

1:50:50 Speaker 18: history of the UFO war.

1:50:53 Speaker 4: I mean, you're your disclosure for us, which is what's

1:50:56 Speaker 4: what's needed. Because as as Judas said, you know the still,

1:51:01 Speaker 4: I don't know if i'd say still anyways, that's what

1:51:06 Speaker 4: sane and.

1:51:09 Speaker 18: I've been fortunate enough to influence members of Congress. But

1:51:12 Speaker 18: there is something I will say. One of the last

1:51:14 Speaker 18: things I will say is there seems to be there

1:51:17 Speaker 18: is a gatekeeper that I won't name any of the names,

1:51:21 Speaker 18: but there is a certain group of people that we

1:51:25 Speaker 18: can't get past. It seems they're the only people who

1:51:28 Speaker 18: can recommend people to testify, and they're the only ones

1:51:31 Speaker 18: who get because I think Bob Dalice is more, Bob Dallas,

1:51:35 Speaker 18: Dave Sandelli, uh, Bob.

1:51:37 Speaker 9: Jacobs, Mario Woods, all these guys are so much more. Uh.

1:51:45 Speaker 18: Their their records speak for themselves, and they have been

1:51:49 Speaker 18: able to testify in an open hearing.

1:51:53 Speaker 5: And that's why I said, I think I think those guys.

1:51:56 Speaker 9: The resort to backdoors.

1:51:57 Speaker 19: Yeah, they definitely need to test on I think the

1:51:59 Speaker 19: hesitance is that I'll leave it at this note and

1:52:03 Speaker 19: then we can move on to I think the hesitancy

1:52:07 Speaker 19: with having officers who controlled nuclear weapons testify to a

1:52:11 Speaker 19: vulnerability in nuclear weapons means the ultimate next step is

1:52:17 Speaker 19: we have to say, well, how can we prevent this?

1:52:20 Speaker 5: And then they've got to Then the d O D.

1:52:22 Speaker 19: Or the the department will have to come in and

1:52:27 Speaker 19: explain the countermeasures that they took to prevent these types

1:52:32 Speaker 19: of things from happening, though they won't acknowledge these types

1:52:35 Speaker 19: of things happen. That's why you can't commissioned officers from

1:52:38 Speaker 19: new facilities.

1:52:39 Speaker 18: And I remember the first time I heard Bob's story,

1:52:43 Speaker 18: my stomach just like dropped. And anyone with a vested

1:52:48 Speaker 18: interest of national security, if you can listen to those

1:52:50 Speaker 18: guys and not have your your stomach churning, you.

1:52:58 Speaker 9: Thank you.

1:53:00 Speaker 5: J I'm gonna grab another my time for.

1:53:02 Speaker 19: Up there again and Mary

1:53:06 Speaker 5: To Boston, Mary, We're alive at Coral Street Stay