Dark Matter, Information Collapse & the Coming Tech Singularity- Jason Jorjani
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Speaker 1: All right, Jason, Georgeohnny, thank you for coming in. Good
Speaker 1: to see you, brother.
Speaker 2: It's a pleasure to see you again.
Speaker 1: Our last podcast was Bananas. We covered all kinds of crazy.
Speaker 1: What have you been up to, bro?
Speaker 2: Writing? Yeah, you know, I mean one of the few
Speaker 2: silver linings to being banned from academia, as it leaves
Speaker 2: you all your time to do writing.
Speaker 1: That's right, that's the convenience of being a Nazi massad agent.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, go figure. You're accused of being defamed in
Speaker 2: both of those ways simultaneously. Right, never had any dealings
Speaker 2: with Nazis as far as I'm aware. Did meet with
Speaker 2: probably four different Mosat agents, but I never accepted their
Speaker 2: offer for sheckles, so I'm a free agent.
Speaker 1: So what kind of stuff have you been writing?
Speaker 2: Well, my latest book is Setanion, which has a lot
Speaker 2: on the simulation theory in it that we'll get into.
Speaker 2: And then the latest one, the cover is up there
Speaker 2: in the background. It's called metapallemos, which is a Greek word,
Speaker 2: ancient Greek word meaning super struggle or meta war and
Speaker 2: or uber kamff in German metapallemos. And that one is
Speaker 2: an overview of my entire philosophical project divided into the
Speaker 2: domains of ontology, epistemology, ethics, aesthetics, and politics. So it
Speaker 2: summarizes my whole philosophical project in terms of different domains
Speaker 2: of philosophy. And I wrote it to be a kind
Speaker 2: of companion volume to Philosophy of the Future, which I
Speaker 2: brought you last time. This one is an overview of
Speaker 2: my work in terms of the original concepts that I've developed.
Speaker 2: Philosophy the Future was and this one Metapallemos is in
Speaker 2: terms of the different domains of philosophical thought. So there
Speaker 2: are kind of good companion volumes or one another, and
Speaker 2: they're either a really good introduction to my work as
Speaker 2: a whole or a kind of executive summary.
Speaker 1: What is the general idea of the Satanian?
Speaker 2: The general idea of Satani? Well, the term means the
Speaker 2: aon of Satan, the aon of Satan, or the aon
Speaker 2: of Satana, And so I'm playing with this term Satana.
Speaker 2: It's the name of a I guess you could call
Speaker 2: her a goddess. Really she's more a titanus. You know,
Speaker 2: there was this distinction between the gods and the titans,
Speaker 2: which you see in Greek culture. You see it in
Speaker 2: ancient Hindu culture as well, with the Devas and the Ashuras.
Speaker 2: Satana is a Titanus who was conceived of as the
Speaker 2: mother of the gorguns. You know Medusa. So these these
Speaker 2: uh snake haired feminine deities they were called, come from Medea, right, Well, No,
Speaker 2: Medea was the chief priestess of them.
Speaker 1: They were like her minions.
Speaker 2: She was a witch who basically did the most institutionalize
Speaker 2: and organize the cult of these gorgons, and the chief gorgon,
Speaker 2: the kind of mother of the covin of gorguns, is Satana.
Speaker 2: This was a cult that existed in the Caucasus going
Speaker 2: back to probably at least one thousand BC. And what's
Speaker 2: interesting about first of all, the name originally Satana in
Speaker 2: an Old Iranian language, it means mother of a hundred
Speaker 2: because she was believed to be the initiatrix of heroes.
Speaker 2: She would take these champions under the Caspian Sea into
Speaker 2: what was believed to be an underwater city, and she
Speaker 2: would train them and initiate them and confer a broad
Speaker 2: sword on them and also potentially allow them to look
Speaker 2: into this grail that she was the keeper of. So
Speaker 2: much much later, like fifteen hundred years eighteen hundred years later,
Speaker 2: this mythos would eventually make its way into Europe together
Speaker 2: with the migration of the Scythian and Sarmatian people, and
Speaker 2: it would become what's known as the Arthurian mythos in Europe,
Speaker 2: where this figure Satana becomes the lady of the lake,
Speaker 2: and then you know Arthur King Arthur becomes the archetypal
Speaker 2: hero who is initiated by this grail mistress and who's
Speaker 2: given the broadsword and so forth. So the mythos of
Speaker 2: Satana is the most primordial form of what later becomes
Speaker 2: the Arthurian Grail mysticism of Europe, of Gothic Europe and
Speaker 2: Celtic Europe. And it's brought there by these Caucasian Iranian people,
Speaker 2: these Northern Iranian people called the Scythians and Sarmatians. The
Speaker 2: Greeks also called the Sarmatians Amazons. Their whole legends about
Speaker 2: the warrior women come from this culture because they had
Speaker 2: female warriors. In fact, I mean there were arguably a
Speaker 2: matriarchal culture with female rulers and female warriors. Very unusual
Speaker 2: culture because they also I think we're the first people
Speaker 2: to invent iron warfare implements and chain mail armor. In
Speaker 2: any case, they worshiped this figure Satana, and round about
Speaker 2: I think seven eight hundred BC, they mass invaded the
Speaker 2: Middle East, and it said they went all the way
Speaker 2: up to Egypt. So I've made an argument in some
Speaker 2: of my work that the heat, what we believe is
Speaker 2: the Hebrew term Satan has Satan the adversary probably comes
Speaker 2: from this Satana in origin because the serpent symbolism associated
Speaker 2: with Satan from the Book of Genesis onward in various
Speaker 2: aesthetic representations, has a distinctly female connotation, like the serpent,
Speaker 2: and Eden was depicted in female form often throughout the
Speaker 2: history of art, and the serpents are of course associated
Speaker 2: with the gorgons. They have serpents in their hair right,
Speaker 2: which is really as a reference to the fact that
Speaker 2: viper venom was used in this cult. So the title
Speaker 2: comes from that. Okay, it's a play on the cult
Speaker 2: of Satana. But the way I use this from the
Speaker 2: opening chapter onward is in terms of the contemporary debate
Speaker 2: over whether the UFO phenomenon is demonic. So you have
Speaker 2: these colins, elite people who think that you know, either
Speaker 2: angels or more probably demons or what the whole Colins Elite,
Speaker 2: the Colins Elite, the Colins Elite. I think we got
Speaker 2: into this briefly the last time I was here. But
Speaker 2: some people think that the Colins Elite was an unofficial
Speaker 2: interagency organization with representation from the CIA, the Air Force,
Speaker 2: and various other military intelligence organizations that was formed. They think.
Speaker 2: Some people argue, like Nick Redfern, I think in his
Speaker 2: book on what was that book called.
Speaker 1: Is Tucker Carlson a part of the Collins Elite?
Speaker 2: You say that, you say that you know probably more
Speaker 2: than half jokingly. No, I don't think Tucker's part of
Speaker 2: the Collins Elite, but I think that they've gotten to
Speaker 2: his head. I think that these are the people who
Speaker 2: put this in Tucker Carlson's head, and he's been talking
Speaker 2: to too many of these folks. So anyway, some people
Speaker 2: think they were formed in nineteen forty seven to basically
Speaker 2: between forty five and forty seven to spy on Jack
Speaker 2: Parsons and investigate what Jack Parsons, the occultist and rocket scientists,
Speaker 2: was doing, you know, with l Ron Hubbard and others
Speaker 2: in the middle of the Western desert, right, I have argued.
Speaker 1: They had a spot in Florida. They were working on
Speaker 1: some stuff, didn't.
Speaker 2: They They were all over the place. Yeah, matter of fact,
Speaker 2: I think it was in Florida that Hubbard, you know,
Speaker 2: the founder of Scientology of course, stole parsons yacht and
Speaker 2: his girlfriend.
Speaker 1: What.
Speaker 2: I think that was off the coast of Florida that
Speaker 2: he did that. Yeah, so had a bad falling in.
Speaker 1: I told you right that that the flag building for Scientology,
Speaker 1: they are primary headquarters where he parked his yacht is
Speaker 1: like ten twenty minutes from here.
Speaker 2: I think that makes sense. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think
Speaker 2: he used this as his launching point for his various
Speaker 2: off the radar activities in the oceans of the world
Speaker 2: later in his life. Right, yeah, So anyway, but let's
Speaker 2: not go into Hubbard Land.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's not. So.
Speaker 2: Some people think it was formed in forty seven to
Speaker 2: investigate Parsons and so forth. But I actually argue in
Speaker 2: Satanion that the Collins Elite probably goes back to the
Speaker 2: eighteen ninety six eighteen ninety seven airship mystery, where there
Speaker 2: was this patent attorney who claimed to represent the inventors
Speaker 2: of the mystery airships, and this guy's name was Collins,
Speaker 2: and look, I don't want to be one of these
Speaker 2: guys who says this thing every time. And I think
Speaker 2: we did discuss this last time. But very long story
Speaker 2: short in a nutshell, this patent attorney, George Collins, gave
Speaker 2: an extensive testimony to the San Francisco Chronicle, and I
Speaker 2: think it was eighteen ninety seven about you know, what
Speaker 2: these airships were, how they were going to be publicly declared,
Speaker 2: you know, the company was going to publicly declare itself
Speaker 2: on the stock exchange and come forth with this technology
Speaker 2: and all this. And then like three days later, the
Speaker 2: San Francisco Chronicle got back to him and wanted to
Speaker 2: have another conversation with him, at which point he said,
Speaker 2: I don't remember saying any of that stuff to you.
Speaker 2: And it turned out that he gave this entire testimony
Speaker 2: in a trance state. So this George Collins was possessed
Speaker 2: and delivered the story. And then it turned out that
Speaker 2: the supposed airship inventor was some dentists who invented dental bridges,
Speaker 2: who had dreamed of building airships from his childhood. So
Speaker 2: this paranormal angle starts to emerge in the story where
Speaker 2: you wonder, you know, are these airships sit kick projections
Speaker 2: of some kind? Are people's perceptions being manipulated? And I
Speaker 2: think from that time onward is when the FEDS got
Speaker 2: involved and started to develop theories about what kind of
Speaker 2: diabolical intelligence might actually be behind this phenomenon.
Speaker 1: This reminds me, Steve. Can you pull up my Twitter
Speaker 1: page real quick? I want to show you this photo
Speaker 1: I found of Jacques Vala last night. I think it's
Speaker 1: very appropriate. Just go to x and just go to
Speaker 1: my account page. There's a whole article about it too.
Speaker 2: You know, I knew Jaquevalle at one point.
Speaker 1: That's not that. That's it right there, that's what you
Speaker 1: were saying last time. Scroll down, scroll down, right there,
Speaker 1: up right, click that photo. Look at that Jacques Lay
Speaker 1: with Aleister Crowley.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, No, that's Anton LaVey.
Speaker 1: That's what I meant. That's what I meant, lost, what
Speaker 1: I meant. Jacques Vla and Anton Lavay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that doesn't surprise me at all. First of all,
Speaker 2: they both lived in San Francisco, right And yeah it doesn't.
Speaker 1: See Apparently they would have dinner parties and play Donkey
Speaker 1: Kong together.
Speaker 2: Donkey Kong.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what the article says. Well, but that's fascinating
Speaker 1: because Jacques Valle always talks about how you know, he
Speaker 1: seems to be hyper interested in the whole angels and
Speaker 1: demon stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, the opening line of Satanion, the first chapter
Speaker 2: is called diabolical Disclosure, and the opening line is how
Speaker 2: does one disclose the devil? That is without ending the world? Yeah,
Speaker 2: and it comes back to this idea that the Collins
Speaker 2: elite see themselves as holding back the apocalypse because they
Speaker 2: think that if these phenomena are predominantly demonic, disclosing that
Speaker 2: would mean disclosing the Antichrist, which would then precipitate the
Speaker 2: Second Coming or accelerate the second coming. So they think
Speaker 2: they're somehow doing the world a favor by maintaining the
Speaker 2: secrecy regarding the phenomenon, because it's essentially buying us time
Speaker 2: and holding back the end of the world. So I
Speaker 2: play with that idea at the opening of my first
Speaker 2: chapter in Satanian.
Speaker 1: So these people are religious types, they soonetically religious fanatics. Yeah,
Speaker 1: from the air force has to be maintaining this worldview
Speaker 1: or this view of the phenomena.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, I think that probably in you know,
Speaker 2: going back to maybe forty seven or the nineteen fifties,
Speaker 2: they've been recruited from among evangelicals or traditionalist Catholics. But
Speaker 2: if you go back probably to the eighteen ninety late
Speaker 2: eighteen nineties with the airship mystery, I don't know whether
Speaker 2: they started out that way or whether they were spooked
Speaker 2: into having these kinds of beliefs. Right. Look, think about
Speaker 2: it this way, Danny. If airships that look like constructions
Speaker 2: from out of Jules Verne sci fi novels are showing
Speaker 2: up not just in the sky over tens of states,
Speaker 2: but they're landing in people's fields, and sheriffs and judges
Speaker 2: are coming up to these things and touching them and
Speaker 2: interact with the airship pilots. Yeah, if it turns out
Speaker 2: that those things aren't real, meaning they're not constructed objects,
Speaker 2: there's some kind of a projection, whether it's a psychokinetic
Speaker 2: projection like a material what they call materialization in psychical research,
Speaker 2: or whether it's some kind of a solid hologram. In
Speaker 2: any case, as a gentleman in the eighteen nineties or
Speaker 2: frankly even you know, this would be how most people
Speaker 2: today would read it. In America, you would probably consider
Speaker 2: that a diabolical deception, a machination of the devil right
Speaker 2: to engage in the manipulation of perception on that kind
Speaker 2: of scale. People tend to associate that with I don't know,
Speaker 2: you know, satanic deception.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, seems silly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, the prisms through which many people and institutions
Speaker 2: look at this phenomena are silly or simple minded, right,
Speaker 2: and danger.
Speaker 1: So, m all right, we were going to talk about
Speaker 1: the moon.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, let's go to the moon, because what's so interesting?
Speaker 1: First of all, what made you start to pay attention
Speaker 1: to the moon?
Speaker 2: You know, I think this is a good place to start.
Speaker 2: It was the start of my interest in it in
Speaker 2: a serious way. And it's actually a good place, a
Speaker 2: good trajectory by which to go to the moon. And
Speaker 2: that's that. I paid close attention to Stephen Greer's disclosure
Speaker 2: project back when he was first starting it up in
Speaker 2: the nineteen I think it was the late nineteen nineties,
Speaker 2: A long time ago.
Speaker 1: I think it was like ninety three or something. It was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I might have become aware of it in the
Speaker 2: mid to late nineties. Okay, so we're talking when I
Speaker 2: was like seventeen sixteen, seventeen years old. From early on
Speaker 2: I paid attention to the testimony that he amassed from
Speaker 2: all of these people who have been involved with the military,
Speaker 2: with defense contractors.
Speaker 1: Do you believe all the stuff that he says?
Speaker 2: Short answer, no.
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Speaker 2: But look, I think in the case of Stephen Greer,
Speaker 2: and maybe we can come back around to this because
Speaker 2: I saw parts of your show with him. In the
Speaker 2: case of Stephen Geer, you have to draw some very
Speaker 2: significant distinctions between the testimony he's getting from people who
Speaker 2: served in sensitive positions in the military industrial complex versus
Speaker 2: his interpretation of those testimonies, which is being filtered through
Speaker 2: his own worldview and ideology and then furthermore his own
Speaker 2: personal experiences. Because Greer came out, like, what was it
Speaker 2: twenty years ago saying he himself was a contactee I
Speaker 2: think from childhood and he started doing these CE five
Speaker 2: like protocols for summoning entities and so forth. Right, So
Speaker 2: there's a great deal of difference between those kinds of
Speaker 2: claims versus amassing testimony from basically expert witnesses, right, And
Speaker 2: I find the you know, the stuff he did early
Speaker 2: on to be much more convincing and much more solid.
Speaker 1: The whole the origin story of being an er doctor
Speaker 1: to all of a sudden getting a call to go
Speaker 1: to dinner with the head of the CIA seems a
Speaker 1: little suspect to me.
Speaker 2: I don't know, But I'll tell you what I found
Speaker 2: very interesting about some of that early testimony. There was
Speaker 2: this one case and here we're going to get into
Speaker 2: a case of murder. Also, there was this one case
Speaker 2: of this I think he was sergeant, yeah, sergeant Carl Wolf, who,
Speaker 2: although he wasn't fairly high ranking, I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: This is how compartmentalized information works in the military. You
Speaker 2: can be relatively low ranking person, but if you have
Speaker 2: technical expertise in a particular area, you have to be
Speaker 2: given a high level security clearance because you need to
Speaker 2: work on some technical aspect of a very sensitive subject.
Speaker 2: So in the case of Carl Wolf, he was a
Speaker 2: photographic technician and repairman, and I think it was a
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty five so a few years before we went
Speaker 2: to the Moon, right, We've got the lunar reconnaissance orbiter
Speaker 2: going around the Moon preparing for the Apollo mission, and
Speaker 2: Carl Wolf is called in in his capacity as a
Speaker 2: photo technician photographic repairman. He's called into what they told
Speaker 2: was an NSSA facility, and I think he was stationed
Speaker 2: on Langley Air Force Base at the time, and they say,
Speaker 2: you know, we need you to come over to this
Speaker 2: NSSA facility and work on this photographic processing machine. In
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty five, nobody knew what the fuck the NESSA was.
Speaker 2: It was so secret that people didn't even know it existed.
Speaker 2: So Wolfe assumed that it was a NASA facility. He
Speaker 2: heard NSSA as NASA, and it also makes sense in
Speaker 2: terms of what he saw when he got there, which
Speaker 2: is that when he walked in to this place, first
Speaker 2: of all, he saw scientists from all around the world,
Speaker 2: and he could tell because they were of various ethnicities.
Speaker 2: He saw Japanese people, Indian people, people from multiple countries
Speaker 2: speaking multiple languages, European languages. Showed a few Germans in there,
Speaker 2: probably more than a few. And so he's taken into
Speaker 2: the photo lab, right, and there's another guy in there
Speaker 2: who's the same rank as I think, also a sergeant.
Speaker 2: And before he gets to work on repairing this machine,
Speaker 2: this sergeant and the two of them are in there alone. Right,
Speaker 2: this sergeant can't help himself and he breaks protocol and
Speaker 2: he shows Carl Wolf the photographs that have been coming
Speaker 2: off this machine he was brought into repair. And they're
Speaker 2: mosaic photographs, where you know, they take the orbiter will
Speaker 2: take a bunch of images, a bunch of shots, and
Speaker 2: then they'll lay them next to each other and form
Speaker 2: a mosaic of a larger site that's been targeted for
Speaker 2: satellite photography. Right, And the sergeant says, we found a city,
Speaker 2: and he starts showing him these mosaics, putting them next
Speaker 2: to each other, and they're high resolution photographs of a
Speaker 2: megalithic city on the dark side of the moon, Spherical buildings,
Speaker 2: polygonal buildings, obelisks like the you know needle in Egypt,
Speaker 2: and dishes. He said, like that looked like you know,
Speaker 2: radio telescope dishes, huge structures, which I guess the resolution
Speaker 2: of the photographs was so good that he could tell
Speaker 2: that they weren't made of metal. They were made of
Speaker 2: something like a poured stone, kind of like concrete, which
Speaker 2: is interesting because a lot of ancient sites on Earth
Speaker 2: are made from that type of material. Right, these enigmatic
Speaker 2: megalithic structures on Earth seemed to have a similar construction
Speaker 2: as will Carl Wolf at least what was what was
Speaker 2: you know, presented to him as a city on the
Speaker 2: dark side of the moon. And so he's looking at
Speaker 2: this thing and he then then the basically the somebody
Speaker 2: walked in and so the sergeant cuts off his uh,
Speaker 2: you know, cuts off this you know, illegally volunteering this
Speaker 2: classified information to Wolf, and he goes to work repairing
Speaker 2: the photography machine. But anyway, he said, he went home
Speaker 2: and he expected that either that night or like sometime
Speaker 2: in the next week or sometime in the next year,
Speaker 2: we would hear about this city that had been photographed
Speaker 2: on the dark side of the moon, and of course
Speaker 2: it was never revealed. Right, So this was one of
Speaker 2: the most striking early testimonies that I heard from out
Speaker 2: of Greer's disclosure project that got me really interested in
Speaker 2: the moon. And what's really creepy is sixty sixty what
Speaker 2: sixty five sixty few years before Apollo. And what's really
Speaker 2: disturbing is that this disclosure wave that we're in the
Speaker 2: midst of right now began in twenty seventeen, right with
Speaker 2: that New York Times piece. So round about twenty eighteen
Speaker 2: there are serious discussions about subpoenaing people to get testimony
Speaker 2: from them. And then later than that Grush Now you know,
Speaker 2: spearheaded this initiative to have people come and testify in
Speaker 2: front of Congress and release individuals from the security odes. Right. Well,
Speaker 2: guess when uh, poor Carl Wolf met with an untimely end.
Speaker 2: Twenty eighteen, one year after disclosure starts. His bike was
Speaker 2: run over by a truck.
Speaker 1: How old was he?
Speaker 2: Young? I mean relative?
Speaker 1: Can you find? Can you find the story of Carl Wolf?
Speaker 2: He might have been in his fifties or something. Wow,
Speaker 2: And I mean this is what happened to John Mack too.
Speaker 2: This is how they murdered John Mack. They had him
Speaker 2: run over on the road.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but isn't it Yeah, I understand that that's sketchy
Speaker 1: about John Mack. But do you think it's Do you
Speaker 1: think it's probable that that he was whacked?
Speaker 2: Wasn't? Oh? Yeah, I do think so. I do think so.
Speaker 2: He was seventy four years old.
Speaker 1: He was seventy four year old. Well he was.
Speaker 2: He was a good enough shape that he was riding
Speaker 2: his bike regularly.
Speaker 1: Can you click on it page?
Speaker 2: No, just search Carl Wolf with a K. Oh, it's
Speaker 2: not this one. No, Well it has a correct underneath there.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, I see Carl Wolf with a K claim
Speaker 1: to have top secret NASA photos showing alien structures on
Speaker 1: the Moon. He works with a tactical Air command at
Speaker 1: Langley Air Force Base in Virginia and had top secret
Speaker 1: clearance in twenty Okay, in two thousand and one, Wolf
Speaker 1: made a startling claim that NASA was hiding evidence of
Speaker 1: artificial structures on the far side of the Moon. He
Speaker 1: died in a bike accident October tenth, twenty eighteen in
Speaker 1: New York after being hit by a tractor trailer.
Speaker 2: So I think it's awfully convenient that just when people
Speaker 2: are going to be subpoena to testify under oath and
Speaker 2: released from their security clearances, this guy gets has an accident. Okay,
Speaker 2: so let's go further down this path to the moon.
Speaker 1: Quick little sure qui quick quick question. Don't want to
Speaker 1: derail this ye, but have you heard of a guy
Speaker 1: named hal Pobenmeyer? Okay?
Speaker 2: Continue, Okay, So well, they had these photographs, right, those
Speaker 2: photographs went somewhere. I mean there was a whole room
Speaker 2: full of international scientists that Carl Wolf ran into on
Speaker 2: his way to repair that machine. So these photographs went somewhere. Well,
Speaker 2: guess what these photographs show up again later in the
Speaker 2: history of military intelligence. In the nineteen seventies, when Ingo
Speaker 2: Swan started to work for the Stanford Research Institute on
Speaker 2: contract for the CIA, some guy who identified himself as
Speaker 2: Lambert Dolphin, which is probably a pseudonym or code name.
Speaker 2: This Lambert Dolphin basically he pulled Ingo Swan from out
Speaker 2: of the unit that he was working with, this unit
Speaker 2: that was basically a CIA unit, right, So this Lambert Dolphin,
Speaker 2: whoever he was, and Swan was never able to figure
Speaker 2: out what outfit in the US government this guy was
Speaker 2: really working for. He had the authority to take a
Speaker 2: CIA asset out of the CIA remote viewing program and
Speaker 2: put him on another task, and Swan was blindfolded. He
Speaker 2: was flown in a helicopter to a classified facility. It
Speaker 2: was one of these deep underground facilities, and he recounts
Speaker 2: having gone down in an elevator, like Lord knows how
Speaker 2: deep this is. In Swan's book Penetration. So Swan says,
Speaker 2: he goes down there and they want his, you know,
Speaker 2: talent as a remote viewer, and they start targeting him,
Speaker 2: you know, on these photographs that are inside envelopes, and
Speaker 2: he basically starts describing the Moon. But he's standing in
Speaker 2: the middle of a nexus of roads inside a city
Speaker 2: on the Moon, and he describes these gargantuan buildings, huge
Speaker 2: Titanic scale of construction. He sees the same obelisks that
Speaker 2: Carl Wolf describes, you know, like the needles in ancient Egypt.
Speaker 2: And he said, by the way, I got the impression
Speaker 2: that those were purely ceremonial. They didn't have any particular function.
Speaker 2: But he saw other buildings that looked like reactor domes,
Speaker 2: like as if they were you know, nuclear power plants
Speaker 2: or something like that, and receiving dishes and antennas and
Speaker 2: so forth. So he describes this Titanic city, and you know,
Speaker 2: it stands to reason that whatever was in those envelopes
Speaker 2: were probably the photographs that were taken by the orbiter
Speaker 2: back in sixty five before Apollo, the photographs that Carl
Speaker 2: Wolf had reported seeing while he was repairing that machine. Wow,
Speaker 2: so now you have a second point of confirmation. Now
Speaker 2: here's the really creepy thing, Denny. What else Ngoswan saw
Speaker 2: on the dark side of the Moon were masses of
Speaker 2: people huddled together in ramshackle shelters, people who were naked
Speaker 2: and who were being used as slave labor. This is
Speaker 2: what he said. He said that. And now the fact
Speaker 2: that they were naked and apparently breathing while working inside
Speaker 2: craters on the moon, who knows, maybe mining helium three
Speaker 2: or whatever, suggests that there was some kind of an
Speaker 2: artificial atmosphere that maybe where they were working was underneath
Speaker 2: a transparent dome that wasn't visible to Swan. But in
Speaker 2: any case, that's not the important point. The important point
Speaker 2: and the disturbing one is that he saw slave labor
Speaker 2: on the moon, and the people who were directing it
Speaker 2: were these tall Nordic looking fellows, one of whom could
Speaker 2: see Swan. And this has been reported by other remote
Speaker 2: viewers where sometimes when they're sent to a target, whether
Speaker 2: it's a contemporaneous target or whether it's some event in
Speaker 2: the past, they're witnessed by whoever's there, as if like
Speaker 2: they're a ghost and those people are seeing a ghost. Well,
Speaker 2: this Nordic on the dark side of the moon saw Swan,
Speaker 2: and he got the distinct impression like the guy was
Speaker 2: telling him telepathically, why the fuck are you here? You
Speaker 2: don't belong here, Get out of it here. Interesting, okay,
Speaker 2: Now that fits with something else that I was told.
Speaker 2: I was told this by an officer in the CIA
Speaker 2: who had read my book Closer Encounters, and he had
Speaker 2: he wanted to have a conversation with me because he
Speaker 2: told me that basically, when was this. This was in
Speaker 2: two years ago, two and a half years ago. This
Speaker 2: is his college.
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, I worked for the CIA. Can we talk?
Speaker 2: He knew someone I know? Okay, And he got in
Speaker 2: touch through that person and he anyway, I don't want
Speaker 2: to go off on a tangent, but long story short,
Speaker 2: he was like, how did you put all these jigsaw
Speaker 2: puzzle pieces together? He was looking to see if there
Speaker 2: was a leak and whether it needed to be plugged.
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Speaker 2: Because he said that there were too many things in
Speaker 2: my book that were the same conclusions that they had
Speaker 2: reached based on having access to classified information. And he
Speaker 2: was wondering, how the hell I put these same pieces
Speaker 2: together in the same way. But this moon stuff all
Speaker 2: kinds of things the subjects that I discussed, and you
Speaker 2: know this book Closer Encounters, okay, and but the moon
Speaker 2: came up among other things, and he said, listen. After
Speaker 2: Swan was sent, we kept sending people to the moon
Speaker 2: remote viewers, and we distinctly got the message from these
Speaker 2: guys on the moon, do not keep sending people here.
Speaker 2: This is off limits. And we didn't listen to them.
Speaker 2: And the last viewer that we sent up there, his
Speaker 2: soul is trapped on the moon. His body is in
Speaker 2: a coma in a special medical facility run by the CIA,
Speaker 2: and his family has been given like medical compensation or whatever.
Speaker 2: They told him that they told his family that the
Speaker 2: guy had died in the line of duty or whatever,
Speaker 2: and he's been held in stasis for years and years
Speaker 2: as they wait for his soul to come back from
Speaker 2: the Moon, where apparently there's the capacity to lure and
Speaker 2: trap somebody's consciousness, which they finally did to one of
Speaker 2: these CIA remote viewers after repeatedly telling them not to
Speaker 2: surveil whatever is going on up there.
Speaker 1: Guy on here named David Morehouse. Oh yeah, yeah, he
Speaker 1: was a psyche. He was a remote viewer, a part
Speaker 1: of the as. He was a part of these programs
Speaker 1: for a long time. I think it was in the seventies.
Speaker 2: I read his book Psychic Warriors.
Speaker 1: Psychic Warrior, Yeah, yeah, yeah, and he said that he
Speaker 1: remote viewed the Moon and there was nothing. He's like,
Speaker 1: it's all bullshit, there's nobody there.
Speaker 2: I don't know whether he was being blocked or what,
Speaker 2: but I can tell you some other things about the
Speaker 2: moon that are much creepier than a city on the
Speaker 2: dark side of it.
Speaker 1: Well, and here's nothing. If there was a city, why
Speaker 1: is it only on the dark side.
Speaker 2: Well, because that side faces away from us all the time.
Speaker 1: So because built it doesn't want us to see it.
Speaker 2: Of course, of course that's the convenient place to put it.
Speaker 2: There's also another reason that's technical, which is that if
Speaker 2: you if you put you know, we've been studying this
Speaker 2: in terms of potential lunar colonization. That if you put
Speaker 2: listening telescopes, you know, like the Aracibo dish. Yeah, stuff
Speaker 2: that's meant to convey signals across space. If you put
Speaker 2: it on the side of the Moon that faces the Earth,
Speaker 2: there's too much interference with radio signals coming from the Earth.
Speaker 2: So if you want to have basically interspace communication from
Speaker 2: the Moon to elsewhere, it's better to put something on
Speaker 2: the side that always faces away from us, so that
Speaker 2: you're not bombarded with radio signals that are being transmitted
Speaker 2: from the Earth. That's a technical reason why you would
Speaker 2: do it, but mainly I think it's you know, for
Speaker 2: concealment purposes, okay, But the story of what's going on
Speaker 2: on the Moon is a lot more It's a lot
Speaker 2: more startling than finding a city on the dark side
Speaker 2: of it, right, because you could be dealing with a
Speaker 2: natural satellite that has been colonized at who knows what
Speaker 2: time by whatever spacefaring civilization. No, it looks like it
Speaker 2: looks like there's a much more disturbing scenario here, and
Speaker 2: you know, our government became aware of this during Apollo
Speaker 2: twelve and thirteen. During Apollo twelve, I think it was
Speaker 2: the lander that impacted the Moon in a way that
Speaker 2: set off a seismometer that had been prepositioned there. There
Speaker 2: was a seismograph that was prepositioned on the Moon, and
Speaker 2: when the Apollo twelve lander hit the surface of the Moon,
Speaker 2: the signal that came from this seismograph was consistent with
Speaker 2: the ringing or vibration of a hollow object. So the
Speaker 2: way that the shockwave passed through the Moon suggested that
Speaker 2: there was very little inside the Moon. It rang like
Speaker 2: a bell, as they described it, for a while, right
Speaker 2: in the first case, it was for almost an hour.
Speaker 2: So then they got curious about this, and in Apollo
Speaker 2: thirteen they deliberately crashed the third stage of Apollo thirteen
Speaker 2: into the surface of the Moon to carry out a
Speaker 2: test to see whether this was a repeatable phenomenon, right,
Speaker 2: And this time the seismograph not only confirmed the resonance
Speaker 2: passing through a hollow object, but the moon rang like
Speaker 2: a bell for three hours, so and they were able
Speaker 2: to tell, like, how much more or less of the moon,
Speaker 2: you know, is apparently hollow. And it's really shocking. It's
Speaker 2: like the moon goes down for about twenty miles as
Speaker 2: a solid structure, and then on the inside there's a
Speaker 2: distance of about one thousand miles radially, one thousand miles
Speaker 2: from the interior of the shell to the core radially
Speaker 2: in every direction. In other words, the distance between Los
Speaker 2: Angeles and Seattle, or New York and Saint Louis, or
Speaker 2: Paris and Prague is hollow inside the moon.
Speaker 1: There was a recent NASA article that came out I
Speaker 1: think it was on the NASA website where they said
Speaker 1: they discovered caves like underground caverns in the moon, which
Speaker 1: would suggest that it was like maybe like a honeycomb
Speaker 1: structure on the inside or something like that.
Speaker 2: I suspect that it's not natural caverns, but that what
Speaker 2: they're seeing are the hollows between all kinds of complex
Speaker 2: machinery that are inside that structure. One of the other
Speaker 2: things that they noted with these impact tests was that
Speaker 2: the moon sort of it seemed to compensate and correct
Speaker 2: for the impact in a way that suggested there were
Speaker 2: oscillators inside the structure. So I think probably there's machinery
Speaker 2: inside this thing. Now, another data point that corroborates that,
Speaker 2: going back to the remote viewers, is that Joe mcmonagall
Speaker 2: was tasked with remote viewing Mars in nineteen eighty four,
Speaker 2: and this was a CIA operation run at the Monroe Institute.
Speaker 2: So it was a CIA. He was working on contract
Speaker 2: for the CIA, and this was done at the Monroe Institute.
Speaker 1: He was the first remote viewer, right, I think.
Speaker 2: He might have been, well, no, I think Ingo Swan
Speaker 2: was the first. But I think he had the designations
Speaker 2: zero zero one or something like that.
Speaker 1: One. Maybe it was two, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But in any case, in nineteen eighty four Monroe Institute.
Speaker 2: And this has since been released. This is one of
Speaker 2: these classified documents that has since been declassified. It's called
Speaker 2: like Mars one million BC. You can look it up
Speaker 2: Joe mcmonagall.
Speaker 1: Mars one million BC.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Joe mcmonagall. And so look, Joe mcmonagall is tasked
Speaker 2: to look at He doesn't know, of course, he's working
Speaker 2: blind to the target. That's how re viewing is, right.
Speaker 2: But what's inside these envelopes are the photographs that the
Speaker 2: Viking probe took on Mars in nineteen seventy six where
Speaker 2: we got back these images of the pyramids and the
Speaker 2: fort and the face infamously right, So there are all
Speaker 2: these apparent man made megalithic structures in the Sodonia region
Speaker 2: of Mars which were first photographed by the Viking mission
Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy six. And that's what was inside these
Speaker 2: envelopes when mcmonagall was doing this remote viewing session and
Speaker 2: he described being in the midst of the ruins of
Speaker 2: a megalithic city with gigantic pyramids. He said, they seemed
Speaker 2: like they were maybe three times the size of the
Speaker 2: Great Pyramid in Giza.
Speaker 1: Wow. And he described part of the Stargate project.
Speaker 2: Yeah. He described a maze of structures under these pyramids,
Speaker 2: like subterranean tunnels and hallways. At one point he walks
Speaker 2: through one of these hallways and it leads to an
Speaker 2: opening and he finds himself on the outside of the pyramid,
Speaker 2: looking up at it, looking up across the face of
Speaker 2: the pyramid. And he describes also these these highways that
Speaker 2: are trenches. They are these perfectly geometric trenches cut across
Speaker 2: miles and miles of Mars's surface, And he said his
Speaker 2: impression was that they were used for a craft like,
Speaker 2: you know, there are bad storms on Mars, right, so
Speaker 2: if you hadt hovercars or whatever, you would want them
Speaker 2: to be transitting through something that had high walls on
Speaker 2: either side that was a you know, sunken channel based sandstorm.
Speaker 2: Avoid a sandstorm passing over the top of your heads.
Speaker 2: So this is basically he describes this, okay during his
Speaker 2: remote viewing session, but he says, look, the civilization is
Speaker 2: long dead. I'm seeing, you know, the ruins of a
Speaker 2: civilization that once was eons before this. And he was
Speaker 2: tasked at one million BC. So they said to him, okay,
Speaker 2: so go back to when these people were still alive
Speaker 2: and thriving. And he goes way way back. Now we
Speaker 2: can infer from another data point that I'll come to
Speaker 2: you know how far back he went, but he doesn't
Speaker 2: say in the session, but he goes back to when
Speaker 2: these people were around, and then he describes Nordic looking,
Speaker 2: super tall people in skin tight jumpsuits, people people who
Speaker 2: look like Scandinavians, except he said they had more like
Speaker 2: a I don't know, like between an Olympic swimmer and
Speaker 2: a football player's physique, with very broad shoulders, not an
Speaker 2: ounce of body fat. He said he could see all
Speaker 2: their musculature through their skin tight suits. And what mcmonagh
Speaker 2: relates is that these people were facing the end of
Speaker 2: their civilization, and some of them had this what he
Speaker 2: describes as a very philosophical sense of resignation, where they
Speaker 2: were like, well, we had our time. It's you know,
Speaker 2: it's not fair for us to ask for more time.
Speaker 2: We've had more time than we should have had some
Speaker 2: of them, and some of them are still trying to
Speaker 2: survive and endure. And the ones who are trying to survive,
Speaker 2: he says, they've looked for a way out, and no
Speaker 2: matter what they do, they can't seem to find a
Speaker 2: way out. To just pin that somewhere right then, he says,
Speaker 2: they designed and got into a spacecraft that was cylindrical
Speaker 2: and which is very much the description of a lot
Speaker 2: of these cylinder shaped, cigar shaped UFOs metallic cigar shaped craft.
Speaker 2: And they went to another planet which they were scouting
Speaker 2: out to see whether it was a viable world for
Speaker 2: them to relocate too. And this other planet was. It
Speaker 2: was nothing like Mars. It was very green, overgrown with
Speaker 2: vegetation in fact, but there were constant storms on it,
Speaker 2: electrical storms, typhoons. There was a lot of volcanic activity
Speaker 2: on this planet. And they basically concluded that they couldn't
Speaker 2: settle there without altering the planet without terraforming it in
Speaker 2: some way to make it more habitable.
Speaker 1: So this is a long conversation to have during our
Speaker 1: remote view.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, so they got all this out of him, right,
Speaker 2: I think those are all the important points and very detailed. Yes.
Speaker 2: So now you put this next to what doctor John
Speaker 2: Brandenburg discovered regarding Mars. Doctor Brandenburg, who I got to
Speaker 2: spend a few days with in New Mexico a number
Speaker 2: of years ago. He worked on the Clementine mission for NASA,
Speaker 2: and at one point he was working at Sandia, which
Speaker 2: is where I think a lot of the nuclear weapons
Speaker 2: are designed, and he was looking at isotopic data from Mars.
Speaker 2: So you know, every planet has, you know, certain amount
Speaker 2: of isotopes of different materials and metals and so forth
Speaker 2: on it. And apparently the isotopic ratio of Xenon one
Speaker 2: nine is consistent across the entire Solar System except for
Speaker 2: on Mars and our thermonuclear test sites on Earth. There's
Speaker 2: a deviation from the norm of the isotopic signature of
Speaker 2: Xenon one twenty nine at our thermonuclear test sites on Earth,
Speaker 2: and we find the same thing at Sedonia on Mars.
Speaker 1: Why is it different on nuclear test sites.
Speaker 2: There's something happens when and it has to be not
Speaker 2: an atomic bomb, but a thermonuclear bomb. When a thermonuclear
Speaker 2: bomb is detonated, that leaves trace of xenon one twenty
Speaker 2: nine in that area, which is not the normal basically
Speaker 2: distribution of that isotope that you would find, you know,
Speaker 2: on Earth or on any of the other rocky bodies
Speaker 2: in the Solar System. And according to Brandenburg, it's the
Speaker 2: very distinct signature, it's unmistakable, and it's very specifically associated
Speaker 2: with thermonuclear weapons detonation. Then after, you know, he discussed
Speaker 2: this with one of the scientists of Sandia Labs whose
Speaker 2: expertise is working on nuclear weapons. He checked for other
Speaker 2: isotopes and he saw that the isotopes of the isotopic
Speaker 2: ratio of thorium and uranium was also off at Sodonia
Speaker 2: in a way that matched thermonuclear test sites. And so
Speaker 2: he came to the conclusion that and even did the math,
Speaker 2: like how many nukes would you have had to detonate
Speaker 2: in this place to produce this kind of a deviation.
Speaker 2: Turns out that an empire state building's worth of our
Speaker 2: highest deealed. Thermonuclear warheads would have had to have been
Speaker 2: detonated there to produce this kind of isotopic signature. And
Speaker 2: this is exactly the same place where we find these
Speaker 2: blasted megalithic structures on the surface of Mars.
Speaker 1: So there's a nuclear war on Mars.
Speaker 2: So Brandenburg's thesis is that there was a nuclear war
Speaker 2: on Mars. I covered this in my book Closer Encounters.
Speaker 1: And did that basically get rid of the atmosphere? Is
Speaker 1: that responsible for how like the atmosphere is almost non
Speaker 1: existent on me?
Speaker 2: We would definitely have been a contributing factor. I want
Speaker 2: to come around to what I think might have been
Speaker 2: another factor in that. Okay, but definitely we've been a
Speaker 2: contributing factor. But we were on about the moon. So
Speaker 2: why am I going on this on this this detour
Speaker 2: to Mars Because it's when you put Brandenburgh's research next
Speaker 2: to what Joe mcmonagall saw. And by the way, while
Speaker 2: we're on this subject, Ingo Swan was also tasked independently
Speaker 2: of Joe mcmonagall to look at Mars twice. Once was
Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy six, I think, and the other was
Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty four. Same year that mcmonagall did his,
Speaker 2: but Swan's team and mcmonagall were unaware of each other.
Speaker 2: These were, obviously this makes sense his protocol. They wanted
Speaker 2: two sets of remote viewers on the same target to
Speaker 2: get you know, corroboration, and Swan did his with the
Speaker 2: whole team of people. Mcmonagall worked alone at the Monroe Institute.
Speaker 2: Swan had like five or six people working with him.
Speaker 2: And in nineteen eighty four and also in the viewing
Speaker 2: and I think seventy six or so ingo, Swan and
Speaker 2: his team described exactly the same thing as John mcmonagall.
Speaker 2: They described a civilization on Mars, most of which was
Speaker 2: in ruins and was vastly ancient, but other parts of
Speaker 2: which still survived under the surface. He described the honeycomb
Speaker 2: of cities under the surface of Mars, and some structures
Speaker 2: on the surface which were like relaying information and being
Speaker 2: used as transportation beacons and had been built by this
Speaker 2: civilization that is still active under the surface of Mars,
Speaker 2: cities that are subterranean. So so okay, But this all
Speaker 2: came from out of discussing the moon. When you put
Speaker 2: the remote viewing data next to Brandenburg's thesis, what it
Speaker 2: suggests oh and Brandenburg. His estimation was that this nuclear
Speaker 2: event in Sodonia took place maybe one hundred million years ago,
Speaker 2: maybe one hundred million years ago. Jesus, when were the
Speaker 2: dinosaurs killed off? Sixty five sixty five million years ago? Right,
Speaker 2: So it's a ballpark. And when you put these two
Speaker 2: sets of data together, as I did in my book
Speaker 2: Closer Encounters, the conclusion that emerges is that the Moon
Speaker 2: was constructed by these survivors of some kind of apocalypse
Speaker 2: on Mars, and it probably had at least two functions initially.
Speaker 2: One was to transport a shit ton of people over
Speaker 2: here the Moon, and the other one was to act
Speaker 2: as a terraforming device. So if we didn't have the
Speaker 2: Moon where it is in this extremely stable orbit that
Speaker 2: it's in, right, yes, we would have eight hour days.
Speaker 2: The Earth would be spinning much faster than it is
Speaker 2: right now. The Earth would also not be as stable
Speaker 2: as it is. There's been calculations done that show that
Speaker 2: the Earth would be prone to toppling over at you know,
Speaker 2: at odd intervals. Well, all planets have moons, right, yes,
Speaker 2: but only our moon stabilizes a planet to the extent,
Speaker 2: you know, only our Moon stabilizes our planet in the
Speaker 2: way that it does, and only our moon has as
Speaker 2: stable an orbit as it does, and none of the
Speaker 2: other moons in the Solar System create the beautiful eclipses
Speaker 2: that we have here because the moon, the Moon is
Speaker 2: get this one four hundredth the size of the Sun,
Speaker 2: and it's one four hundredth the distance to the Sun.
Speaker 2: So the fact that it's one four hundredth the size
Speaker 2: of the Sun and one four hundredth distance of the
Speaker 2: Sun produces this perfect decline.
Speaker 1: Put the Moon directly between us and the Sun. It
Speaker 1: perfectly occludes the diameter of the Sun. Exactly are there
Speaker 1: Do we know if there's any other No.
Speaker 2: There's no other moon that produces none. But what's even
Speaker 2: more significant is that our moon has an extremely stable orbit.
Speaker 2: No other moon in the Solar System orbit orbits its
Speaker 2: planet with as little deviation as our moon does. Yes,
Speaker 2: and so it appears there's something inside the Moon stabilizing
Speaker 2: that orbit, which is also stabilizing the Earth. And what
Speaker 2: did it give us? It gave us a climate and environment,
Speaker 2: a biosphere that rendered this planet habitable for humans. Remember
Speaker 2: what mcmonagall said. He said, they sent a scout chip
Speaker 2: to another planet. It was overgrown with vegetation. It wasn't
Speaker 2: arod like Mars. There were volcanoes going off, there were
Speaker 2: electrical storms, and they were like, this place is too volatile.
Speaker 2: We can't settle here the way that it is now.
Speaker 2: So the Moon was probably used in order to terraform
Speaker 2: the Earth into a habitat that humans could humans martians
Speaker 2: could settle in to become the human race. So, now
Speaker 2: there are other pieces of data we're talking about.
Speaker 1: We're talking about roughly how long ago, one hundred million.
Speaker 2: One hundred to sixty five million years ago. Now, look,
Speaker 2: the dinosaurs would probably have had to have been killed
Speaker 2: off for this, right, So one you know, hypothesis that
Speaker 2: follows from this is that the impact that killed off
Speaker 2: the dinosaurs was deliberate, not you know, some accidental asteroid impact.
Speaker 2: It wouldn't have been very easy to coexist with them,
Speaker 2: right right, Okay, But look, there are other data points
Speaker 2: that really nail this case. For example, the craters on them.
Speaker 2: On Earth, when you have impact craters from meteorites, for example, right,
Speaker 2: the craters are roughly proportionally deep as they are wide.
Speaker 2: They dig into the earth. On the Moon, you have
Speaker 2: these utterly bizarre craters which are like over one hundred
Speaker 2: miles wide, like the Gregaron crater or the Clavius crater.
Speaker 2: You could fit Switzerland and Luxembourg together inside some of
Speaker 2: these craters. They're over one hundred miles wide. They're never
Speaker 2: more than four or five miles deep. That doesn't make
Speaker 2: any sense. The inside of these crater basins are all convex,
Speaker 2: like the surface of a contact lens. So think about this,
Speaker 2: Why would a meteor impact meteorite impact produce a crater
Speaker 2: that's so much wider than it is deep. And then
Speaker 2: in the specially wide craters like Clavius, you see that
Speaker 2: the surface of that crater is convex. It's because it's
Speaker 2: hitting a hard shell that's underneath the regolith, and the
Speaker 2: regolith is like AstroTurf that's been put on the surface
Speaker 2: of that space station to make it look like it's
Speaker 2: a moon.
Speaker 1: They knew the Earth was there. It was too volatile,
Speaker 1: too unstable. I'm sure the equinox is not as stable
Speaker 1: as it is now.
Speaker 2: There wasn't any we didn't have seasons. That's a product
Speaker 2: of the moon.
Speaker 1: The equinox is only because of the moon.
Speaker 2: This twenty three degree deviation that we have between the
Speaker 2: our equator and the celestial equator, right, that produces the
Speaker 2: equinoxes and the solstices as a function of the Moon.
Speaker 1: What other things about the moon like other than like
Speaker 1: we mentioned the distance from the Sun to the Moon
Speaker 1: and how it perfectly occludes the side of the Sun
Speaker 1: from our perspective, But like, what other things about our
Speaker 1: moon are exclusive.
Speaker 2: To So first of all, there's the extremely bizarre ratio
Speaker 2: that you just mentioned right, where this one four hundred
Speaker 2: size of the Sun one four hundredth distance from the Sun,
Speaker 2: and that's what produces these eclipses. Then there's an incredible
Speaker 2: stability of the orbit of the Moon. Then, as we mentioned,
Speaker 2: these craters don't make any sense, right, These craters don't
Speaker 2: make any sense, and the basin of them seems like
Speaker 2: it's revealing a shell of some kind, spherical shell. Then
Speaker 2: there's the impact tests, right the Apollo twelve and Apollo thirteen,
Speaker 2: where the Moon on a seismograph registered like a hollow object.
Speaker 2: And by the way, there's no moon that's a hollow object.
Speaker 2: Back before Carl Sagan became such a skeptic, he even
Speaker 2: commented on this and said that it's terrifying because no
Speaker 2: natural satellite is hollow.
Speaker 1: We know that no other moons are hollow.
Speaker 2: Yes, we know it moon. We know. It's just not
Speaker 2: what moons are. Moons are like. You know, they're like
Speaker 2: rocky bodies that are trapped by a planet and they're
Speaker 2: rocky all the way through.
Speaker 1: And do we know, do we observe the on other
Speaker 1: moons to see how similar they are to our moon
Speaker 1: or how different they are than our moon.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we have detailed like for example, Phobos and arab
Speaker 2: the moons of Mars with detailed images of them. And
Speaker 2: first it has two two moons, Saturn and Jupiter have
Speaker 2: a bunch. And you know the other thing about these
Speaker 2: moons are they're all weird shaped. They look like deformed potatoes,
Speaker 2: you know, a lot of them. They're not beautiful spherical
Speaker 2: objects like ours is. But there is another interesting thing
Speaker 2: and that's the mas cons. So there are these. You know,
Speaker 2: the Moon has a lower gravity than Earth generally, right,
Speaker 2: remember the golf ball thing, yep so, and the Apollo
Speaker 2: astronauts we'll get to them too, the Apollo astronauts hopping around,
Speaker 2: you know, in the lower But there are places on
Speaker 2: the Moon where there's a much stronger gravity. There's earth
Speaker 2: like gravity or stronger than earth like gravity, And it's
Speaker 2: actually a problem for navigation because when they pass satellites over,
Speaker 2: they can't fly too low because the craft will be
Speaker 2: pulled by these gravity wells. There are places on the
Speaker 2: Moon they call them mass cons mass concentrations where the
Speaker 2: gravity deviates from the standard on the Moon, and guess what,
Speaker 2: they're all perfectly circular. So one thing I hypothesized in
Speaker 2: closer encounters was that if this thing is a space station,
Speaker 2: it's possible that they built saucers into the surface of it.
Speaker 1: Look that mask ons short for mass concentrations, the regions
Speaker 1: of the Moon's surface with a higher gravitational pull than
Speaker 1: the surrounding areas. These anomalies were first identified in the
Speaker 1: nineteen sixties. Holy shit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they have to compensate for those when they fly
Speaker 2: anything around the Moon. Anyway, Look, here's the thing.
Speaker 1: We got to make sure we just we gotta go.
Speaker 1: We gotta keep you on point yea, yeah, yeah, So
Speaker 1: we can't be just letting Georgeohn.
Speaker 2: The possibility is that when they built the space station,
Speaker 2: they built saucers into the surface of it. Remember, all
Speaker 2: the mascons are circular. A saucer is going to have
Speaker 2: a zero point energy drive generating into a lying saucer. Yeah,
Speaker 2: flying saucer is going to have a local gravitational field,
Speaker 2: and if there's people in the saucer, it's one g yes,
Speaker 2: which is greater gravity then the rest of the Moon.
Speaker 2: So one possibility is that what these mascons are are
Speaker 2: saucers embedded in the space station underneath the regolith as
Speaker 2: a potential evacuation protocol. Suppose there's a danger like some
Speaker 2: giant asteroid is coming that might hit the Earth or
Speaker 2: it might hit the Moon and they need to evacuate
Speaker 2: the station, right, Well, these saucers could just peel off
Speaker 2: the surface. So that's one possibility of what these mascons
Speaker 2: are are you know, saucers with zero point energy drives
Speaker 2: running embedded into the surface of the object.
Speaker 1: What do you make of the postgame press conference after
Speaker 1: the moon landing where all the astronants are sitting there,
Speaker 1: They look they look like they're on a hostage tape.
Speaker 2: This is where I want it to go next. We
Speaker 2: mentioned the astronaut right, so you know, these guys don't
Speaker 2: even remember what they did up.
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Speaker 2: they've done interviews with these astronauts, and when you ask them,
Speaker 2: you know, so what did you do on such and
Speaker 2: such a day, they basically rehearse a mission log, we
Speaker 2: did this, and then we no, no, no, I mean,
Speaker 2: how did you feel like when you were standing on
Speaker 2: the edge of that? And then they freeze up. They
Speaker 2: start to look ill and so, like you're saying in
Speaker 2: that press conference, right, they don't look like national heroes
Speaker 2: coming back from having been the first men on the moon.
Speaker 1: The hostages.
Speaker 2: They look like they've had the shit scared out of
Speaker 2: them or you know, yeah.
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 2: I think that these people saw some terrifying things up there,
Speaker 2: and that's also what Soviet intelligence thought. In Timothy Good's
Speaker 2: BOOKO Above Top Secret, British UFO researcher, it was close
Speaker 2: to Admiral Norton. Admiral Lord Hill Norton, British Navy was
Speaker 2: one of the people who endorsed his Timothy Good's work,
Speaker 2: and in his book Above Top Secret, Timothy Good recounts
Speaker 2: a meeting between British intelligence and Soviet intelligence back during
Speaker 2: the Cold War, and the Soviets said, we were listening
Speaker 2: to the Medical Channel. During Apollo, they had a channel
Speaker 2: that they would use to report back, like medical emergencies
Speaker 2: things they didn't want the public to hear, a separate
Speaker 2: channel from the one that was being broadcast across television.
Speaker 2: And you know, unsurprisingly the KGB had found access they
Speaker 2: weren't supposed to. Even our Ham Yeah, even our Ham radio,
Speaker 2: our Ham radio operators were listening to this in America.
Speaker 2: Some Ham radio operators said that they were able to
Speaker 2: pick up on this too. So the Soviets said, we
Speaker 2: heard Armstrong and Paul eleven say, these babies are huge.
Speaker 2: They're huge, they're warning us off. They're on the edge
Speaker 2: of the crater. And there's this whole conversation on the
Speaker 2: medical channel about how the Apollo eleven astronauts were effectively
Speaker 2: assaulted and scared off by huge spacecraft on the Moon
Speaker 2: which were not there to greet them. They got the
Speaker 2: sense that they were there to say, get the hell
Speaker 2: out of here. So, you know, people have all these.
Speaker 1: Who's the person that said this? And this was it
Speaker 1: was somebody.
Speaker 2: It was a conversation between British intelligence, a British intelligence officer.
Speaker 2: You can find it in Timothy Goods book above. Top
Speaker 2: secret above. Yeah, and it was a British intelligence operative
Speaker 2: who during i think toward the end of the Cold War,
Speaker 2: was meeting with the Soviet counterpart, and the Soviets said,
Speaker 2: we have the record of this conversation between Armstrong and
Speaker 2: ground Control on the medical channel where they were saying
Speaker 2: they saw the now that would scare the shit out
Speaker 2: of you. Moreover, by nineteen sixty, by sixty nine seventy,
Speaker 2: they had already done this mk ultra stuff. Yes, right,
Speaker 2: so you think you think they wiped their memories, Yes, exactly, exactly,
Speaker 2: we had already done this mk ultra stuff, and I
Speaker 2: think these poor guys were mk ultraed when they came
Speaker 2: back to try to get them to forget as much
Speaker 2: of what happened on the Moon as possible, And that
Speaker 2: would also explain why they all wound up with dysfunctional lives.
Speaker 2: These guys all became alcoholics, their wives divorced them, all
Speaker 2: their lives, their personal lives became a disaster. So yeah,
Speaker 2: that's another piece of corroboration that you know, the moon
Speaker 2: is inhabited, and it's also probably an artificial satellite.
Speaker 1: And why haven't we been back since exactly exactly there
Speaker 1: was a We've watched this interview multiple times on previous
Speaker 1: podcasts where there is I think it's the head of
Speaker 1: NASA as being talked to. He's being interviewed in front
Speaker 1: of the Senate and they're talking about China, how they
Speaker 1: had a plan to map or explore the dark side
Speaker 1: of the Moon or whatever, and they asked him like,
Speaker 1: if we plan on doing it too, and he goes, now,
Speaker 1: we're not interested in doing that. We have no interest
Speaker 1: in the dark sight.
Speaker 2: What I find profoundly disturbing about that is that humiliation
Speaker 2: is the worst thing in Chinese culture, the worst thing. Okay,
Speaker 2: So the Chinese are not about to go up to
Speaker 2: the Moon and have their asses handed to them. Moreover,
Speaker 2: the Chinese are going to the Moon in collaboration and
Speaker 2: cooperation with the Russians. The Chinese and the Russians plan
Speaker 2: to build a space station that orbits the Moon and
Speaker 2: then send astronauts from the space station down to the
Speaker 2: surface of the Moon. Right, if there's that degree of
Speaker 2: cooperation between Russia and China on the Moon, it means
Speaker 2: the Soviet dossier has been handed over to the Chinese.
Speaker 2: Soviet Dosia, the Soviet dossier on the Moon. Oh okay,
Speaker 2: what's in that? Right? Everything the Americans encountered on the moon,
Speaker 2: which is why the Soviets never went to the moon. Remember,
Speaker 2: we were competing with Soviet Union to go to the moon.
Speaker 2: Why is it that we went up there? And then
Speaker 2: all the Soviets just decided to cancel their moon program. No,
Speaker 2: they knew, of course, they knew, they knew. And also
Speaker 2: there were discussions in the Soviet Union at that time that, okay,
Speaker 2: if America makes it to the Moon first, we'll go
Speaker 2: to Mars first. They figured it out. Neither are for
Speaker 2: the taking, neither the Moon nor Mars. So what's really
Speaker 2: disturbing about the Chinese initiative is that if the Chinese,
Speaker 2: of all people are planning to go up there, and
Speaker 2: I don't know, if not colonize, at least do some
Speaker 2: scientific research or whatever, right, it means they've gotten clearance.
Speaker 1: From the people that are there.
Speaker 2: That's right. That's right now. And notice how the balance
Speaker 2: of power is shifting in the world towards China.
Speaker 1: Is it really it is now a different opinions online.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Look, I mean it has been now
Speaker 2: whether that can be reversed as another question but if
Speaker 2: you wanted to manage a global totalitarian state, yes, with
Speaker 2: ubiquitous surveillance and then extremely technocratic form of government with
Speaker 2: little personal freedom right a control society on a global scale,
Speaker 2: the Chinese will be the optimal people to put in
Speaker 2: charge for that, because it fits the values of Confucianism. Yes, okay,
Speaker 2: So if someone on the Moon potentially also on Mars,
Speaker 2: wants to impose a totalitarian world government on Earth, they're
Speaker 2: not going to make a deal with the United States.
Speaker 2: They're going to make a deal with China. That's what
Speaker 2: I find most disturbing about Chinese plans to go to
Speaker 2: the Moon. I actually don't think we would even be
Speaker 2: going back there if it weren't for the fact that
Speaker 2: Chinese already are.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but okay, maybe, but who would they Who would
Speaker 1: they make the deal with in the United States. That's
Speaker 1: the thing. There's two parts of the United States. There's
Speaker 1: the idealistic view of the United States, and then there's
Speaker 1: the real people who are running the show behind the scenes,
Speaker 1: the United States, and they probably are very envious of
Speaker 1: China's totalitarian surveillance state that they live under.
Speaker 2: So you know, I'm not sure it's very easy to
Speaker 2: make these kinds of moral judgments. If I were in
Speaker 2: Lockheed at a high level with security clearance to the
Speaker 2: special programs that are dealing with zero point energy and
Speaker 2: electro grivitic drives, yeah, I'm not so sure that, considering
Speaker 2: the kind of society we have in this country, let
Speaker 2: alone in the world at large, I would publicly disclose
Speaker 2: that technology. I mean, we talked about this last time.
Speaker 2: I think the weaponization implicates and dual use potential of
Speaker 2: such technology is extremely socially destabilizing. So the thing is
Speaker 2: with China, you can manage technology and control information in
Speaker 2: that way, yes, totally based on the ideals of the
Speaker 2: Bill of Rights and the United States Constitution, you can't.
Speaker 2: It makes it way harder, right, So they have a
Speaker 2: good negotiating partner in China.
Speaker 1: Oh, yes, that makes a ton of sense.
Speaker 2: So even if you're un Lockheed, you know you're stuck
Speaker 2: behind all these walls of classification and these security oaths
Speaker 2: that you've taken, you might still believe in the ideals
Speaker 2: of the Bill of Rights, and you might not be
Speaker 2: ready to sell out, you know, at least the American
Speaker 2: citizenry to a foreign power or an alien power that
Speaker 2: intends to subjugate the planet and you know, subject us
Speaker 2: to global tyranny. So yeah, I'm not convinced that even
Speaker 2: people in the deepest strata of the deep state are
Speaker 2: so how can I put it? Callous and nihilistic and
Speaker 2: self serving that they would make a deal with people
Speaker 2: who want tyranny over to the planet. In fact, I
Speaker 2: wouldn't be at all surprised if for a long time
Speaker 2: they've kept these technologies close to the chest in order
Speaker 2: to develop some kind of a deterrence capability or to
Speaker 2: approach parody technological and military parody with what with them
Speaker 2: with the people on the moon?
Speaker 1: What do you think it would be like to be
Speaker 1: a person who is at the highest of levels in
Speaker 1: one of these secret, super compartmentalized private aerospace companies that
Speaker 1: has and you are aware of the deepest, darkest secrets
Speaker 1: of reverse whatever, reverse engineered spaceships, alien contact, where they
Speaker 1: are everything, Like to be that person going to work,
Speaker 1: coming home, having dinner with your wife, tucking your kids in, Like,
Speaker 1: what would that do to you? What would that do
Speaker 1: to your your psychology?
Speaker 2: Okay, great question, Permit me to answer it in a
Speaker 2: little bit of a roundabout way, because I want to
Speaker 2: give you a substance of answer, right, And so here's
Speaker 2: where I want to go into the idea of the
Speaker 2: simulation theory. Because the deepest darkest secret that somebody in
Speaker 2: that position and Lockheed or an Orthrop or even at
Speaker 2: some of let's say at IBM and some of these
Speaker 2: you know, computer companies, tech giants that have been in
Speaker 2: bed with the defense contractors and the government for decades,
Speaker 2: the deepest darkest seed, the deepest darkest secret that they
Speaker 2: would know isn't even anything to do with zero point
Speaker 2: energy drives or even with the psionic aspects of say,
Speaker 2: piloting UFOs, which is another one.
Speaker 1: This new stuff that's coming out with these new whistleblowers
Speaker 1: that's been Yeah, way I predicted it.
Speaker 2: This is one of the reasons why that guy in
Speaker 2: the CIA contacted me after Closer Encounters came out. Because
Speaker 2: one of the things that I argue throughout this whole book,
Speaker 2: actually it goes back to even my first book, Prometheus
Speaker 2: and Atlas, is that I said that book was published
Speaker 2: in twenty sixteen, I said, there's not going to be
Speaker 2: any UFO disclosure without disclosure of psychic abilities, and there's
Speaker 2: not going to be any substantive scientific, mainstream acceptance of
Speaker 2: psychic abilities without UFO disclosure. These two things are completely inextricable.
Speaker 2: They're going to find that there are psionic aspects to
Speaker 2: the guidance systems of UFOs and that basically the pilot
Speaker 2: interacting telepathically with the system is part of how the
Speaker 2: thing is piloted.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the story of that guy, Michael Horrera that he
Speaker 1: taught that is straight out of Stranger Things.
Speaker 2: Welcome to that. So that goes to your question about
Speaker 2: what's the ethics of a person who's, you know, deep
Speaker 2: inside the system, right, how has their worldview been shaped
Speaker 2: by the horrific things that they've been apprized of. So
Speaker 2: to me, the most horrific thing.
Speaker 1: Isn't and not only that, but like, how does that
Speaker 1: shape your mind when you're almost living in It's like
Speaker 1: that new show that came out called Severance where they
Speaker 1: they basically they have a chip installed in their head
Speaker 1: and when they go to work, they go up the elevator.
Speaker 1: It shuts them off from their mind in the in
Speaker 1: the in the uh civilian world, and then they wake up
Speaker 1: in their their mind in their work environment on their
Speaker 1: floor where they're severed. So it's like they're living these
Speaker 1: two parallel lives.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got to develop a split personnelity.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, very much so.
Speaker 2: Or like the doctor and stranger things, the one who
Speaker 2: works closely with eleven, you know that the Papa figure, right,
Speaker 2: Like some of these guys are family men, and you
Speaker 2: know they go home, they have to deal with their wives,
Speaker 2: have to deal with their kids, and you know they
Speaker 2: have to somehow dissociate from what it is they do
Speaker 2: at work every day. In any case, what are the deepest,
Speaker 2: darkest secrets that these people, you know, have been apprised of?
Speaker 2: You remember how I said in Remote Viewing of Them
Speaker 2: of by Joe mcmonagall, there was this very curious thing
Speaker 2: he reported about how these people on Mars kept trying
Speaker 2: to find a way out and they couldn't find a
Speaker 2: way out no matter what they did. What were they
Speaker 2: trying to find a way out of? So they got
Speaker 2: to Earth? I mean, if the theory that I'm proposing
Speaker 2: is correct, they made it to Earth and they used
Speaker 2: the Moon to terraform the Earth and so forth. Right,
Speaker 2: So they weren't trying to get out of Mars or
Speaker 2: get off of Mars. What were they trying to get
Speaker 2: out of. That's a good opener to this question of,
Speaker 2: you know, the simulation and what evidence there is that
Speaker 2: we might be living inside of a simulation. So this
Speaker 2: is something that I discussed at length in my book Satanian,
Speaker 2: And you know, I've discussed simulation theory and Closer Encounters
Speaker 2: and other books of mine before, but I discovered something
Speaker 2: recently that's much more rigorous from a mathematics and physics perspective,
Speaker 2: and consequently also more compelling and disturbing. And that's this, okay,
Speaker 2: so bear with me. It gets a little bit complicated.
Speaker 2: So we start building computers in the nineteen forties, right
Speaker 2: Alan Turing and the big wall sized computers, and we're
Speaker 2: competing with the Nazis and the iliac Aniac. And at
Speaker 2: that time in the nineteen forties, when we're building the
Speaker 2: first computers, there was this guy Claude Shannon who developed
Speaker 2: a science known as information theory, subsequently came to be
Speaker 2: known as information theory because before computers were built, nobody
Speaker 2: thought of mathematically formalizing the transfer of information. We had
Speaker 2: phones at that time, we had radio transmissions, but nobody
Speaker 2: thought about what was being transmitted over phone lines or
Speaker 2: over telegraph lines as data transfer. That concept didn't exist,
Speaker 2: but once they started building computers, it stands to reason
Speaker 2: that somebody would mathematically formulize what data is and what
Speaker 2: it means to transmit and transfer data. So this guy,
Speaker 2: Claude Shannon does this and he comes up with the
Speaker 2: idea of a binary digit binary digit bit, where data
Speaker 2: is conceived of according to the binary of one and zero.
Speaker 2: You know, data as being a construct built from out
Speaker 2: of sequences of ones and zeros. Claude Shannon is the
Speaker 2: first person to conceptualize this, and Shannon also makes the
Speaker 2: point that, look, we live in the universe bound by
Speaker 2: the two laws of thermodynamics. The first law of thermodynamics
Speaker 2: is that energy can never be created or destroyed. Energy
Speaker 2: equals mc square. This is going to be important for
Speaker 2: what I'm about to say. So, as Einstein, you know,
Speaker 2: showed us energy and mass are interconvertible. E equals mc squared.
Speaker 2: So energy can become mass and mass energy, but we
Speaker 2: can't identify anywhere in the physical universe energy being created
Speaker 2: or destroyed. That's the first law of thermodynamics. Net total
Speaker 2: energy remains the same yep, Okay, So then the second
Speaker 2: law thermodynamics is that we notice everywhere in nature, even
Speaker 2: you know, like when you pour like a dye into
Speaker 2: a glass of water, that there's a tendency toward disorder
Speaker 2: in the cosmos over time. And so the second law
Speaker 2: thermo dynamics is that in a closed system, the level
Speaker 2: of disorder or entropy either remains constant or increases. It's
Speaker 2: never the case that entropy decreases in nature. You never
Speaker 2: have more order emerge over time and large scale physical
Speaker 2: processes as things age, As things age, more disorder. This
Speaker 2: happens for our bodies, it happens to the whole universe.
Speaker 2: And so this is where they postulate the so called
Speaker 2: heat death of the universe, that at a certain point,
Speaker 2: the entropy will become so great that first, you know,
Speaker 2: galaxies are pulled apart, then solar systems are pulled apart,
Speaker 2: then planets are pulled apart, and eventually atomic structures are
Speaker 2: pulled apart, and life becomes non viable in the universe.
Speaker 2: Heat death of the universe at victory of entropy. That's
Speaker 2: the second law thromodynamics. So Shannon says, look if bits
Speaker 2: binary digits, meaning information is flowing through a computer system,
Speaker 2: that computer system is in the physical world, meaning it's
Speaker 2: bound by the laws of entropy. Meaning it's bound by
Speaker 2: the laws of entropy. Okay, So then there's this German
Speaker 2: Jewish physicist Ralf Landauer. He came over with the other
Speaker 2: German Jews were fleeing the Nazis, and in nineteen six
Speaker 2: rowth Landauer builds upon Claude Shannon's groundwork and information theory
Speaker 2: and he comes up with this equation which I have
Speaker 2: in Satanion comes up with this very short, elegant equation,
Speaker 2: uh extrapolated from out of the second law of thermodynamics,
Speaker 2: which says that if you delete one bit of information,
Speaker 2: there should be an increase of entropy outside of the
Speaker 2: computer system. So think about it this way. On a
Speaker 2: microchip or a magnetic tape, when it's blank. When it's blank,
Speaker 2: you've got the equivalent of zero zero, zero, zero zero
Speaker 2: or one one one. There's no data. When you record
Speaker 2: data on it, you get zero one zero, zero one
Speaker 2: one one zero one. So actually the blank tape has
Speaker 2: more order than when you start encoding information on it
Speaker 2: when conceived in physical terms. So because information is meaningful
Speaker 2: to us, and like a file has a book on it,
Speaker 2: text on it, and the text has meaning to us,
Speaker 2: or a photographic image has a meaning content to us.
Speaker 2: We think of information as, let's say, decreasing entropy because
Speaker 2: it's We think of it as highly ordered because it's
Speaker 2: meaningful to us. But when you think of it as
Speaker 2: a bunch of ones and zeros, sequences of ones and zeros,
Speaker 2: when you think of it inside of a physical system,
Speaker 2: the blank magnetic tape or the blank microchip has more
Speaker 2: order in it than when you start to record ones
Speaker 2: and zeros on it. That's more chaotic. Yes, zero zero
Speaker 2: one one one zero's year. So rawl f Landauer was saying,
Speaker 2: if we erase the data, we're increasing I'm sorry, If
Speaker 2: we erase the data, we're decreasing entropy inside the computer. Now,
Speaker 2: according to the laws of thermodynamics, if you decrease entropy
Speaker 2: inside some were inside the closed system, meaning the universe,
Speaker 2: you have to pay for it with an increase of
Speaker 2: entropy outside. This is the outside the computer. So you're
Speaker 2: decreasing entropy inside the computer by deleting By deleting shit,
Speaker 2: that's got to result in more entropy outside the computer
Speaker 2: because the net energy has to remain the same. So
Speaker 2: he came up with an equation that expresses this where
Speaker 2: if you delete one bit of information, a certain amount
Speaker 2: of energy is released. Got it. Okay, Now here's where
Speaker 2: it's going to get weird and creepy. Okay, But that
Speaker 2: was all necessary background. So we think that information is
Speaker 2: this abstract thing. We think it's like not physical, right,
Speaker 2: that's in the realm of ideas. Yeah, but what this
Speaker 2: equation is saying is the following that if you amass
Speaker 2: enough data, like on these huge server forms that we
Speaker 2: have in Silicon Valley that we have in China, right,
Speaker 2: and you're a massing not bytes or megabytes, not terabytes,
Speaker 2: petabytes whatever, right of data, and you erase all that data,
Speaker 2: you're going to have to give off a shit ton
Speaker 2: of energy. That's what Landauer's equation is saying is that
Speaker 2: if you erase a large amount of data, terabytes of data,
Speaker 2: there's a significant measurable energy release that's going to take place.
Speaker 2: Now according to equals MC squared, Right, the interconvertibility of
Speaker 2: matter and energy. What does that mean? Conversely, it means
Speaker 2: that if energy comes out of the computer when the
Speaker 2: data is released terabytes and terabytes on some server, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: what was it when it was inside the computer mass.
Speaker 2: It was mass. So it's been proposed that we could
Speaker 2: weigh a hard drive before data is encoded on it,
Speaker 2: and then again after data is encoded on it. Or
Speaker 2: take a hard drive that has data encoded on it,
Speaker 2: weigh it, erase the data, and then weigh it again.
Speaker 2: There will be a mass differential. Okay, so there's mass
Speaker 2: inside a computer. That's not anything to do with the
Speaker 2: microchips or the transistors or magnetic tapes or anything. It's
Speaker 2: a hidden mass. This has been done this way. No,
Speaker 2: here's why because currently, according to Landauer's equation, if you
Speaker 2: were to calculate the mass of all of the information
Speaker 2: in the world today on all of the largest server
Speaker 2: farms that we have and here and you know that
Speaker 2: AI is being run off of in China, the total
Speaker 2: mass according to that equation comes to one kilogram less
Speaker 2: than less than one kilogram, less than one kilogram, meaning
Speaker 2: that we don't have sensitive enough weighing equipment to weigh
Speaker 2: a hard drive, let alone even a server. Right, I mean,
Speaker 2: we couldn't even weigh a server, let alone a hard
Speaker 2: drive because the mass currently is too little. However, the
Speaker 2: rate of data increase per year, the rate at which
Speaker 2: we're accumulating information per year is approximately twenty five percent. Okay,
Speaker 2: And if you think about where we're going technologically, we're
Speaker 2: headed towards this technological singularity where we're going to have
Speaker 2: artificial intelligence, artificial intelligence inside of robots like the Tesla robots.
Speaker 2: We're going to have these systems constantly accumulating all kinds
Speaker 2: of data, right, And so it stands to reason that
Speaker 2: as we approach the technological singularity, the rate of data
Speaker 2: increase per year is going to experience. It's going to
Speaker 2: exponentially take off way beyond twenty five percent, maybe close
Speaker 2: to one hundred percent. But get this, even if it
Speaker 2: were to stay twenty five percent, which it won't. But
Speaker 2: even if it were, I did the calculations they're in
Speaker 2: my book, setanian in something like three hundred and forty years,
Speaker 2: the amount of information that will exist in the world
Speaker 2: at the current rate of data production will equal the
Speaker 2: mass of the Moon. Now, go back to our conversation
Speaker 2: about the moon. The moon was brought here to terraform
Speaker 2: the planet potentially. In other words, the moon has massive
Speaker 2: gravitational effects on the Earth. Massive It took us from
Speaker 2: having eight hour days stabbing twenty four hour days. It
Speaker 2: controls the ocean tides. It's responsible for the tilt of
Speaker 2: the Earth's axis. The Moon has tremendous gravitational pull on
Speaker 2: the Earth, and the Moon only weighs one point two
Speaker 2: to three percent of the mass of the Earth. It
Speaker 2: weighs only.
Speaker 1: By the way, what's the size, what's the size comparison
Speaker 1: from the Moon to the Earth.
Speaker 2: I don't have the night. Yeah, so one point mass
Speaker 2: of the Earth. Okay, so get this. I did the
Speaker 2: calculations and something like I think it was like three
Speaker 2: hundred and forty years from now, something like that. We're
Speaker 2: going to wind up with a mass equivalent.
Speaker 1: The Moon is one quarter the size of the Earth
Speaker 1: in diameter.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so isn't that weird. Also, by the way, that.
Speaker 1: Find the mass, see if see if chat GPTL give
Speaker 1: me the mass or.
Speaker 2: No, you need you would need to see the percentage
Speaker 2: of the mass of the Earth.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, right, the moon is approximately twenty seven percent
Speaker 1: the size of the Earth and diameter volume one point
Speaker 1: two three. It's a volume of about two percent, right,
Speaker 1: one point one.
Speaker 2: Point two three is a specific number anyway, So listen,
Speaker 2: I did these calculations Danny, and.
Speaker 1: So it says to illustrate, if the Earth were hollowould
Speaker 1: take fifty minutes to fill it. But it's one it's
Speaker 1: less than two percent the volume.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which, by the way, doesn't make sense in and
Speaker 2: of itself in terms of you know.
Speaker 1: The Moon would have to be hollow.
Speaker 2: There you go. Anyway, I did these calculations. Yes, something
Speaker 2: like three hundred and forty years from now, there's going
Speaker 2: to be a moon's worth of mass in the data
Speaker 2: center zone.
Speaker 1: So the Earth is going to weigh about a moon
Speaker 1: more than a ways now.
Speaker 2: It'll start to tear apart the planet. Imagine if you
Speaker 2: were to take the Moon. Look, the Moon is at
Speaker 2: a certain distance from us, right, it's pretty farah, and
Speaker 2: from that distance it's having this massive gravitational effect on us.
Speaker 2: Imagine you took the Moon's mass and you distribute it
Speaker 2: to Silicon Valley, to the major data centers of China.
Speaker 2: You put that mass right on the surface of the Earth.
Speaker 2: It will start generating tidal forces toward that gravity. Well,
Speaker 2: it will start attracting objects towards the gravity. Well, I
Speaker 2: realize it sounds bizarre, but metal chairs and knives and
Speaker 2: forks will start to go towards servers. The servers will
Speaker 2: become a gravity well, there will be so much mass
Speaker 2: inside them that it's as if the Moon is on
Speaker 2: the surface of the Earth. It gets worse. So all the.
Speaker 1: Data on Earth right now, if you could less some
Speaker 1: one kilog less.
Speaker 2: But because the exponential rate of data increase is so
Speaker 2: high twenty five percent per year right now year, in
Speaker 2: three hundred something years, we're going to wind up with
Speaker 2: the moon's mass worth of data on the Earth. And
Speaker 2: what's worse is that, like twenty years after that, I
Speaker 2: think it was twenty years exactly after that, we wind
Speaker 2: up with an earth's worth of mass on the Earth.
Speaker 2: It will go from weighing equal to the Moon to
Speaker 2: weigh equal to the Earth itself, which means at that
Speaker 2: point the planet would be completely torn.
Speaker 1: Upon unless we can find another way to store data,
Speaker 1: like off the Earth maybe or sure sure, or in
Speaker 1: maybe we like tap into you know, some sort of
Speaker 1: consciousness and we store everything there.
Speaker 2: You could build supermassive structures out of like nanomateials and
Speaker 2: whatever potentially to do something like this. Yeah, here's what
Speaker 2: I want to go somewhere else with this Where I
Speaker 2: want to go with this in simulation theory. Right, So,
Speaker 2: so think a little bit about this, Like, you accumulate
Speaker 2: this much data, and this is what it would do
Speaker 2: to the Earth. Right and you so you if you
Speaker 2: weigh a hard drive before you record data on it,
Speaker 2: it weighs less than after you record data on it. Okay,
Speaker 2: but we can't see this mass. I mean, you open
Speaker 2: you up. I suppose you're one of these very technically
Speaker 2: adept computer geeks and you take the you know, you
Speaker 2: take the screwdriver to your computer opener. Where the fuck
Speaker 2: is the mass? You can't see it even in these
Speaker 2: giant servers three hundred and forty years from now, once
Speaker 2: there's a moon's worth of mass in terms of information
Speaker 2: on the Earth, right, you can't see it inside the servers.
Speaker 2: Is there any other example of mass that we can't
Speaker 2: see in the universe? Yeah, it's dark matter?
Speaker 1: Okay, got it.
Speaker 2: Here's where it gets creepy, man, Here's where it gets
Speaker 2: really creepy. So how was dark matter discovered? It was
Speaker 2: discovered through three different types of experiments in the nineteen seventies. First,
Speaker 2: in the early nineteen seventies, when we started to be
Speaker 2: able to observe galaxies we noticed that they don't obey
Speaker 2: the spin rate that they should according to Newtonian mechanics.
Speaker 2: According to Newtonian physics, since most of the mass of
Speaker 2: the galaxy is concentrated toward the center of the galaxy,
Speaker 2: the inside of a galaxy should be spinning at a
Speaker 2: faster rate than the outer arms are. That's not what
Speaker 2: we see. We see a mostly even spin rate in galaxies.
Speaker 2: So that really got the physicists scratching their head, like
Speaker 2: what this suggests For most of the visible galaxy to
Speaker 2: be spinning at the same rate, it would mean that
Speaker 2: there's a lot of mass outside of the galaxy that's
Speaker 2: distorting or flattening the spin rate. Then they did another
Speaker 2: kind of They made another kind of observation of distant
Speaker 2: galaxies that has to do with the refraction of light. So,
Speaker 2: you know, we have galaxies that are further from us
Speaker 2: and galaxies that are closer to us, and the mass
Speaker 2: of the galaxies closer to us bends the light of
Speaker 2: the galaxies that are far from us. So based on
Speaker 2: how at what angle the light is bent as it
Speaker 2: reaches our telescopes from distant galaxies, we can estimate the
Speaker 2: weight the mass of the galaxies that are closer closer
Speaker 2: to us.
Speaker 1: You follow, I mean kind of.
Speaker 2: You got the galaxies that are far far from us, right,
Speaker 2: we're trying to look at them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they galaxies have different masses.
Speaker 2: The bed the light coming from them is bent by
Speaker 2: the galaxies that are closer to us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I understand that.
Speaker 2: Ye, It's like they're going around the rim of a
Speaker 2: black hole. It bends the light, right. OK. So they
Speaker 2: observe this and they say, wait, this doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 2: We know the mass of such and such galaxy. It's
Speaker 2: bending the light much more severely than it should based
Speaker 2: on what we think that galaxy weighs. So then they
Speaker 2: did a third observation where they said, okay, well maybe
Speaker 2: there's gas. Maybe there's a bunch of gas in these galaxies.
Speaker 2: It's giving them more mass than we can see. So
Speaker 2: they look to the same galaxies with spectrometers that can
Speaker 2: detect gas and estimate the masses of gas. Nope, doesn't
Speaker 2: account for anywhere near the amount that this light is
Speaker 2: bent by. Okay, so putting these and these observations were
Speaker 2: all made in the seventies, the first one in the
Speaker 2: early seventies, the second in the mid to late seventies.
Speaker 2: Putting all three of these together, they came to the
Speaker 2: conclusion that there's a ton of mass around these galaxies
Speaker 2: that we can't see. It's not electromagnetically detectable, and yet
Speaker 2: it has massive gravitational effects. Okay, so massing that means, well, look,
Speaker 2: the amount of mass that we can't see that we
Speaker 2: can't electromagnetically observe that ensconce's galaxies surrounds them is such
Speaker 2: that it flattens the spin rate of a galaxy. The
Speaker 2: inside should be spinning much faster than the outside, and
Speaker 2: yet it's spinning at the same rate. So it's a
Speaker 2: ton of mass that's not electromagnetically observable, but it's so
Speaker 2: gravitationally powerful that it's altering the spin rate of a
Speaker 2: whole galaxy. Okay, well, so we have a form of
Speaker 2: mass that we can't detect electromagnetically, and yet it has
Speaker 2: massive gravitational effects. It is dark matter, right, that's what's
Speaker 2: inside your computer. Dark matter information is the same thing.
Speaker 2: It's the same thing. It's the same thing. And once
Speaker 2: you realize that. One of the first people who I
Speaker 2: think realized this was John Archibald Wheeler. I think he
Speaker 2: worked at Princeton American physicist John Archbold Wheeler. He made
Speaker 2: this formulation. It from bit. Okay, he said, look, if
Speaker 2: we want to say that information is a third state
Speaker 2: of matter and energy, in other words, that it's not
Speaker 2: only the case that, as Einstein realized, matter and energy
Speaker 2: are interconvertible. Matter and energy are both also interconvertible with information.
Speaker 2: So when you delete the data on the computer, it
Speaker 2: increases entropy by giving off energy. So you have three
Speaker 2: terms in this relation. It's not just matter and energy.
Speaker 2: It's matter, energy, and information, and they're all interconvertible into
Speaker 2: each other. And the kind of matter that information is
Speaker 2: before you delete it is dark matter. You cannot electromagnetically
Speaker 2: detect it, but it has massive gravitational effects when it
Speaker 2: gets dense enough, when it reaches a critical mass. So
Speaker 2: Wheeler said, John Archbold Wheeler, Well, why don't we just
Speaker 2: say that energy and matter are forms of information, and
Speaker 2: that we live in an informational and it things solid
Speaker 2: things come from bit. It from bit. Well that's very
Speaker 2: useful in terms of reconciling, for example, physics with parapsychology. Right,
Speaker 2: I mean one of the reasons why parapsychology has been
Speaker 2: marginalized for so many decades is because no one's been
Speaker 2: able to come up with a physical model that can
Speaker 2: explain telepathy and clairvoyance and precognition. And a lot of
Speaker 2: physicists have tried. Dean Rayden, for example, somebody came from
Speaker 2: out of the physics community relatively recently, tried to model sigh,
Speaker 2: you know, in a rigorous enough framework to accommodate quantum
Speaker 2: theory and so forth, but no one's been able to
Speaker 2: do it. Well, if you change your paradigm and you
Speaker 2: consider that actually we're living in an information matrix, and
Speaker 2: that what we think of as matter and energy are
Speaker 2: forms of information, then the data from parapsychology makes a
Speaker 2: lot more sense. Because an information system is one where
Speaker 2: consciousness is fundamental and intrinsic. An information processing system is
Speaker 2: one that's meant to have meaning for minds. You're not
Speaker 2: starting from physics from protons, electrons and neutrons, dead unconscious
Speaker 2: matter and trying to build up to consciousness from that
Speaker 2: and figure out how consciousness interacts with that. You're starting
Speaker 2: from the understanding that we live in an information processing
Speaker 2: system and by the way, this suddenly then makes sense
Speaker 2: of all the paradoxes of quantum theory, like the wave
Speaker 2: particle duality. So you know this the double slit experiment. Yes,
Speaker 2: Why would it be the case that only if you
Speaker 2: turn on a detector, meaning that there's a person observing
Speaker 2: the experiment, Even if you observe observation means checking the
Speaker 2: data that was recorded later, it's still observed. Why would
Speaker 2: it be the case that only when you turn on
Speaker 2: the detector you make an observation, do you get a
Speaker 2: particle with a distinct location. And before that, it's a
Speaker 2: wave form, meaning it's a probability distribution of something that
Speaker 2: could be a particle. In computer science they call that
Speaker 2: rendering up optimization. It's used in video games all the time.
Speaker 2: Things that aren't being looked at aren't rendered. It conserves processing.
Speaker 1: Power that supports the simulation theory totally that we're living
Speaker 1: inside of a computer program.
Speaker 2: And so what is dark matter?
Speaker 1: Dark matter is the program that we're living.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the dark matter around the galaxy is the
Speaker 2: one that we have physically observed through all these different
Speaker 2: observational mechanisms, telescopes and over It's a computational cloud. It's
Speaker 2: a computational cloud around the galaxy, and it's probably projecting
Speaker 2: what we see and experience. We're detecting the computational system
Speaker 2: when we detect dark matter, which nobody seems to know
Speaker 2: what the fuck it is.
Speaker 1: Which you're saying, is the same thing as data information.
Speaker 1: We store information that is stored on hard drives.
Speaker 2: So yeah, this is in my book Satanian, and the
Speaker 2: chapter is called Catastrophic Information because there's a physicist recently
Speaker 2: who's looked at all of this and he conceptualizes this
Speaker 2: as an information catastrophe. Melvin Vopson. He's working at a
Speaker 2: university in Britain. I believe he's I think Romanian originally,
Speaker 2: but he's working in UK and he calls it the
Speaker 2: information catastrophe because look, at a certain point, we're going
Speaker 2: to reach a critical massive data which will have geophysically
Speaker 2: catastrophic effects. Oh here's the other thing. So I investigated
Speaker 2: what would be the geophysical effects of reaching a critical
Speaker 2: mass of data. Guess what it turns out to be.
Speaker 2: Every single catastrophe that's been held responsible for the destruction
Speaker 2: of Atlantis. So all these all these you have, all
Speaker 2: these theorists from like Plato, all the way way back
Speaker 2: Plato to Senator Ignatius Donnelly in the eighteen hundreds with
Speaker 2: his book Atlantis the Antediluvian World, to Graham Hancock and
Speaker 2: Randall Carlson, all these people talking about the various catastrophy
Speaker 2: Glenn Debble, the various catastrophes that might have destroyed the civilization.
Speaker 2: And by the way, just on a quick, quick, quick
Speaker 2: side note, you cannot argue with one thousand, three hundred
Speaker 2: ton megaliths in battle bic Lebanon, which are fitted together
Speaker 2: with razor precision and you can't even slip a razor
Speaker 2: blade between the joint. You cannot argue with that, okay?
Speaker 2: Or those exactly the Egyptians have those two and you
Speaker 2: know who knows who they got them from? Right and
Speaker 2: with what tools?
Speaker 1: They were perfectly symmetrical. How do they man a computer?
Speaker 2: So this civilization existed, okay? And there are all these
Speaker 2: geophysical catastrophes that have been postulated as the cause for
Speaker 2: the destruction of this worldwide highly advanced technical culture. Right.
Speaker 2: Guess what if you wind up with the moon's mass
Speaker 2: worth of data at Silicon Valley or in China, you
Speaker 2: know what winds up happening. Every single thing that anyone's
Speaker 2: ever held responsible for the destruction of Atlantis. Number one,
Speaker 2: the crust sinks underneath the data center. Number two, it
Speaker 2: creates a tidal force like the moon does, so the
Speaker 2: oceans get pulled in toward the data center. Crust sinks,
Speaker 2: there's a massive flood. It causes earthquakes because it activates
Speaker 2: the gravitational pull from the servers activates all the tectonic plates,
Speaker 2: so you wind up also with massive earthquakes. The same
Speaker 2: gravitational pull sets off volcanoes, so you get volcanoes going
Speaker 2: off all over the planet. Potentially the gravitational disturbance would
Speaker 2: also even tilt the axis of the Earth, which is
Speaker 2: something that many people from Charles Hapgood onward have postulated
Speaker 2: was responsible for the destruction of Atlantis. That potentially Atlantis
Speaker 2: was Antarctica, that's one theory, and that it was suddenly
Speaker 2: pulled into the South Polar region due to a crustal slippage, Well,
Speaker 2: that's also something that would happen. So I mapped out
Speaker 2: what would be the geophysical implications of such a critical
Speaker 2: massive data and it's every single thing that anyone's ever
Speaker 2: thought destroyed Atlantis, not one or the other of them,
Speaker 2: all of them at once. So then you got to
Speaker 2: wonder what actually destroyed that civilization? Could it be hard drives?
Speaker 2: You know, it sounds funny, man, but you know, look,
Speaker 2: it stands to reason. If we're headed for an information catastrophe,
Speaker 2: what if he crept up on them without them realizing
Speaker 2: what they were doing, and that's what actually destroyed that civilization.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I had I had this guy on
Speaker 1: here from the NSA, Tom Drake, and he was explaining
Speaker 1: that they have what was do you remember, Steve what
Speaker 1: he said? He said, they have like acres and acres
Speaker 1: out in the desert somewhere I want to say, like
Speaker 1: in Nevada or in Wayo. It was somewhere in the
Speaker 1: Midwest where they have just like farms after farms after farms,
Speaker 1: of these of these massive hard drives that are collecting
Speaker 1: all of the surveillance data that they're using from satellites,
Speaker 1: from from phones, from literally every single every single potential
Speaker 1: way the NSA can collect data on. People say, Utah,
Speaker 1: is it? Yeah, Utah? That's it. The Utah Data Center,
Speaker 1: known as the the Bumbla Heave location. The facility spans
Speaker 1: one million square feet and includes one hundred thousand square
Speaker 1: feet Tier Tier three mission critical data center design to
Speaker 1: sort vast amounts of data estimated to be on the
Speaker 1: order of exabytes or larger to support comprehensive National Security Initiative.
Speaker 1: Data center uses the Kray XC thirty supercomputer, capable of
Speaker 1: scaling workloads of more than one hundred penaflops or one
Speaker 1: hundred trillion calculations each second. Look at the pictures. Can
Speaker 1: you pull up a photo of it like on images?
Speaker 1: I'm unbrave right here? Oh, absolutely not. That's terrible.
Speaker 2: Here, I'll get it for you. Crazy. Yeah, they're not
Speaker 2: going to want to have detailed photography of that side available.
Speaker 2: I bet you if you Google image search that you'd
Speaker 2: be one of these places that's locked down.
Speaker 1: Is that that's it under construction. Yeah, it's only recently constructed,
Speaker 1: I think. And that's another thing, is that so.
Speaker 2: This crust is going to sync under that one day
Speaker 2: if this theory is correct.
Speaker 1: Or it's going to create, it's going to start it's
Speaker 1: going to become a magnetic anomaly and throw off the
Speaker 1: spin of the Earth.
Speaker 2: That's right, that's right, you know, So there'd be early
Speaker 2: warning science compasses would start malfunctioning in the vicinity of it.
Speaker 1: This is so crazy, man, So how.
Speaker 2: Do we get here? You asked me, what would be
Speaker 2: the effect of knowing the deepest, darkest secrets on somebody,
Speaker 2: let's say, in the NSA, who has that level of clearance,
Speaker 2: somebody inside Lockey who has that level of clearance? Right?
Speaker 2: Even IBM, IBM's done a lot of dark shit. IBM.
Speaker 2: You know, IBM made the punch card computer equipment that
Speaker 2: allowed the Nazis to process Jews through the concentration CAMPP.
Speaker 1: So well, I mean there's a lot of companies that
Speaker 1: were still around today that had to did a lot
Speaker 1: of darkshit with the Nazis, right, Oh yeah, well but
Speaker 1: those people are all dead, and like the company's still alive.
Speaker 2: Sure, the question is is the idea dead? And that
Speaker 2: really speaks to what you ask me. Oh look, it's
Speaker 2: one thing. What does it due to your worldview to
Speaker 2: know that there are people living in underground cities on Mars?
Speaker 2: Or to know that the moon is an artificial satellite?
Speaker 1: Right and you're one of like a dozen people on
Speaker 1: Earth who have this information.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's another thing if what you know is
Speaker 2: that we're living in a simulation. And not only are
Speaker 2: we living in a simulation, we're living in a simulation
Speaker 2: with a computational ceiling, meaning that it's inbuilt that we
Speaker 2: cannot exceed a certain level of data production. You're saying
Speaker 2: that's a cap on our civilization. It means that Look,
Speaker 2: remember people talk about the Kardashev scale. You ever heard
Speaker 2: about Kardashchev scale? No, Michiokaku used to talk about it
Speaker 2: a lot. Not that I want to reference Mishio Kaku
Speaker 2: because his con artistry promoting you know, string theory really
Speaker 2: damage the physics community for decades. But Misho Kaku is
Speaker 2: somebody who he wasn't the only one he brought brought
Speaker 2: back this idea of the Kardashchev scale. This is this
Speaker 2: Russian scientist who basically came up with this scale of
Speaker 2: the level of civilization type one, type two, type three
Speaker 2: based on their amount of energy usage.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay, But the.
Speaker 2: Thing about the Kardashev scale is that, Okay, one metric
Speaker 2: is energy usage, but another is the level of data production. Right,
Speaker 2: So we're living in a simulacrum that doesn't allow anyone
Speaker 2: to even become a type two kardaschief civilization, which, by
Speaker 2: the way, would explain why they're like these. The skeptics,
Speaker 2: I always say, where are all the aliens? How come
Speaker 2: there are no aliens here? Right? Right?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: And Fermi paradox, Yeah, they never when they keep citing
Speaker 2: the Fermi paradox. They like to turn a blind eye
Speaker 2: to the UFO phenomenon. But even if you considered all
Speaker 2: the data of the UFO phenomenon, there's actually no really
Speaker 2: hard evidence that anyone's coming here from outside our solar system,
Speaker 2: right there isn't right, And these entities, at least the
Speaker 2: ones who seem to be in charge, look human, yes,
Speaker 2: And the little grays those are humanoid robots in all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure you've heard of Mike Masters, you've read
Speaker 1: his books. That's the best. That is the best, most
Speaker 1: comprehensive explanation as to why these My problem with.
Speaker 2: Mike Masters is that he adheres to the block universe
Speaker 2: idea of the way time is closed time like curves.
Speaker 2: He thinks it's not possible to change history when you
Speaker 2: time travel, whereas I've made extense timelines. Yes, and that
Speaker 2: would mean multiverse. Yes. According to how Mike Masters understands
Speaker 2: the dynamics of time travel, we would not have any
Speaker 2: free will. We would be living in a universe where
Speaker 2: the future is already determined. Anyway, that's a metaphysical argument
Speaker 2: for us.
Speaker 1: But generally the idea, coming from an anthropolity anthropological background,
Speaker 1: is that for a being to come from another star
Speaker 1: system or an another Goldilocks planet, to have two arms,
Speaker 1: two legs upright, hominid brains on top of the eyes,
Speaker 1: it would have to be the exact same conditions that
Speaker 1: Earth is under, with the atmosphere, with everything like that,
Speaker 1: and it would be like, as to how rare we
Speaker 1: are on Earth, We're like zero zero zero one percent
Speaker 1: of the species on Earth that look the way we do,
Speaker 1: and we're able to develop technology, get up the Earth
Speaker 1: so strapled that into the universe. It's like virtually impossible
Speaker 1: to have another being that looks so similar to us.
Speaker 2: I find that a useful argument, because I actually do
Speaker 2: think that we're dealing with descendants of the human race
Speaker 2: and other versions of the human race and this phenomenon. However,
Speaker 2: I have to say, in defense of Greer, I watched
Speaker 2: some of your interview with him, not all of it.
Speaker 2: And he did bring up a point that was legitimate,
Speaker 2: but he expressed it in a way where I think
Speaker 2: he wasn't making himself clear. Remember why he came back
Speaker 2: and said to you, No, actually, it's very likely that
Speaker 2: there's or be humanoid life on another Yeah, here's what
Speaker 2: he was trying to say, Rupert Sheldrake.
Speaker 1: He said something about morphic resonance.
Speaker 2: Rupert Sheldrake British biologist who has looked at a lot
Speaker 2: of different empirical evidence for another form of causality in
Speaker 2: nature besides efficient causality. Efficient causality is like billiard ball
Speaker 2: causality bing bang bong, you know, things colliding with each
Speaker 2: other on an atomic subatomic level. Right now, the view
Speaker 2: that the whole universe works only according to efficient causality,
Speaker 2: the materialist, reductionist mechanistic model the universe, it's only a
Speaker 2: couple hundred years old. Back in the day, even in
Speaker 2: the Renaissance, let alone in classical antiquity, when people like
Speaker 2: Aristotle were formulating how the universe functions, there were other
Speaker 2: forms of causality, like formal causes, where forms were considered
Speaker 2: a cause, a shaping influence that guided biological and physical development. Okay,
Speaker 2: So form was considered a type of cause in and
Speaker 2: of itself, and in the Aristotelian view of the world,
Speaker 2: there were also final causes, in other words, purposes in
Speaker 2: nature that you know, embedded in the seed of a
Speaker 2: plant is a purpose to become a certain type of plant,
Speaker 2: and to absorb light from the sun, and to alter
Speaker 2: the nutrients of the earth that the plant is growing in,
Speaker 2: and to grow fruit that nourishes people. As part of
Speaker 2: the purpose of a plant, like.
Speaker 1: The soul of something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the aim, the aim of something, the soul of
Speaker 2: an a the aim of something. A part of the
Speaker 2: soul of the plant is also the form of the plant,
Speaker 2: the form. And they thought that forms were causes. So
Speaker 2: you had an Aristotle, You had a material cause, which
Speaker 2: is what something's made of. Then you have the formal cause,
Speaker 2: which is like what the thing is supposed to, what
Speaker 2: shape the thing is supposed to take, and it's embedded
Speaker 2: in the seed, and then you have the purpose of
Speaker 2: the thing. And then efficient causality, which is the only
Speaker 2: one we're left with in modern physics, is just how
Speaker 2: these other causes shape the thing, Okay, And that's all
Speaker 2: we're left with in modern physics. What Rupert Sheldrake found
Speaker 2: is lots of evidence for formal causes, and he calls
Speaker 2: it formative causation or morphic resonance. Morphe is the Greek
Speaker 2: for form, okay, morphic resonance, resonance of form, or formative causation. So,
Speaker 2: for example, this is what Greer was trying to get across.
Speaker 2: It turns out that in a pharmaceutical laboratory, when you
Speaker 2: try to crystallize a compound for the first time to
Speaker 2: make a drug. Let's say, right the first time you
Speaker 2: try to crystallize a chemical compound, it takes a very
Speaker 2: long time to cohere. It's very hid and miss and
Speaker 2: takes a long time to cohere to crystallize. The second
Speaker 2: time you try to synthesize that compound in a completely
Speaker 2: different laboratory, let's say on the other side of the planet,
Speaker 2: it forms instant much faster. So it's as if when
Speaker 2: something works and takes shape in a certain way for
Speaker 2: the first time, something about the world remembers that it
Speaker 2: works that way, and so the second time it's attempted,
Speaker 2: it takes that shape much more quickly. It's a resonance
Speaker 2: of form across space and time. Irrespective of space and time.
Speaker 2: And there's been a lot of evidence that has been
Speaker 2: found in biology, where they call it convergent evolution. Also,
Speaker 2: this is another name for this convergent evolution where you
Speaker 2: have two completely distinct species, like let's say a species
Speaker 2: of dolphin, and then you have a certain kind of
Speaker 2: land mammal or whatever you know, and there are certain
Speaker 2: solutions to evolutionary stresses that are arrived at in these
Speaker 2: two completely distinct species whose common ancestor is like millions
Speaker 2: of years in the past. And because it seemed to
Speaker 2: work in one species, evolution seems to evolution seems to
Speaker 2: adopt that solution in a completely unrelated species. So what
Speaker 2: Greer was suggesting is that if these if this type
Speaker 2: of causation morphic resonants are formative causation works irrespective of
Speaker 2: space time, it could be the case that on planets
Speaker 2: that are slightly different from ours, I mean not so
Speaker 2: radically different that they you know, you don't have anything
Speaker 2: more complex than Baia bacteria, but in the planet slightly
Speaker 2: different than from Mars, because the anthropoid form worked here,
Speaker 2: or maybe worked on Mars one hundred million years ago.
Speaker 2: The memory of the Cosmos stores that solution and implements
Speaker 2: it again as an efficient solution in a different evolutionary context.
Speaker 1: You're talking about like the dark matter memory.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm saying it's that Sheldrake is an Anglican Christian.
Speaker 2: I got into an exchange with him one You're so
Speaker 2: so Sheldrake wouldn't want to believe this, right. He thinks
Speaker 2: that he thinks these forms exist in the mind of God. Basically,
Speaker 2: he won't say that as a biologist, okay, but he's
Speaker 2: an Anglican Christian, So he thinks these forms. This this
Speaker 2: memory that stores evolutionary solutions or stores suitable pharmaceutical like
Speaker 2: crystallization formulas. He thinks that's like in the mind of God. Basically,
Speaker 2: I think it's in the simulation. It's a computer system.
Speaker 2: When something works, the system remembers and it's not going
Speaker 2: to waste processing power. Next time it sees something as
Speaker 2: grappling with the same problems, it remembers, Oh, here was
Speaker 2: a solution to that, Let me implement it again. So
Speaker 2: what Greer was trying to say is that it could
Speaker 2: just turn out that the two arms, two legs, brain
Speaker 2: on top of it. It's a very efficient solution, and so
Speaker 2: the system remembers that and it implements that solution on
Speaker 2: another planet, you know, in another galaxy right halfway across
Speaker 2: the universe. Okay, so that's possible. That's a possible.
Speaker 1: Yea. The word he used was he tried to use
Speaker 1: the word quantum entanglement for it, saying that anyways, I
Speaker 1: got to get a leak real quickly. Listen quickly. We'll
Speaker 1: be right back, folks.
Speaker 2: All right, we're back.
Speaker 1: We were getting deep. Where were we.
Speaker 2: We were We were in dark.
Speaker 1: Matter, yes, yes, we're okay, dark matter, and we were
Speaker 1: in the morphic morphic residence.
Speaker 2: Okay, yes, we were talking about morphic resonance because you know.
Speaker 1: So I'm just saying, like, how a monkey can figure
Speaker 1: out how to make a tool in Australia and simultaneously
Speaker 1: it happens in North America at.
Speaker 2: The same time with monkey phenomena. Looks they found this
Speaker 2: with rats too. They would run rats through mazes where
Speaker 2: you know, they're shocked or rewarded depending on whether they,
Speaker 2: you know, can navigate the maze successfully. Yeah, And they
Speaker 2: run the same kind of test with a completely different
Speaker 2: group of rats in a different country, and if the
Speaker 2: first group of the first set of rats learns the
Speaker 2: maze successfully. The second set of rats in a different
Speaker 2: country picks up where the other group left off in
Speaker 2: their learning curve. So it suggests that there is this
Speaker 2: morphic resonance.
Speaker 1: Also, I don't know if this has anything to do
Speaker 1: with it, but there was also studies that were done
Speaker 1: where they taught the rats the mazes and then they
Speaker 1: like chopped out a portion of their brain and they
Speaker 1: were able to accurately figure out the maze again after
Speaker 1: or they flipped their brain upside down, like completely scrambled
Speaker 1: their brains and they remembered.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Carl Prebrum studied this, and I think the nineteen
Speaker 2: eighties seventies eighties Carl Prebrum and he developed what's called
Speaker 2: the holographic brain theory that information is encoded in the brain,
Speaker 2: including you know, skills are encoded in the brain, both
Speaker 2: both content memory and behavioral memory, in a way that's
Speaker 2: similar to how an image is encoded in a hologram,
Speaker 2: where it can slice up the hologram any number of times.
Speaker 2: A true hologram the one the kind that you need
Speaker 2: a laser beam to shine on for the image to
Speaker 2: pop out of, not the shitty cheap holograms that they
Speaker 2: distribute everywhere, like really good holograms where if you go
Speaker 2: to I don't know, a museum or whatever exhibit and
Speaker 2: you see super high fidelity.
Speaker 1: Like the Tupac thing where they got the Tupac performing
Speaker 1: in front of the crowd and they put a hologram. Right,
Speaker 1: have you seen that?
Speaker 2: No? I haven't seen it.
Speaker 1: Show that film, the TWOPO the Tupac.
Speaker 2: Let's not put don't. I don't want to poc winding
Speaker 2: up in the middle of this podcast. Why not? What
Speaker 2: do you go?
Speaker 1: What's your problem to anyway?
Speaker 2: Listen, Laser beams. Laser beams, right, are shown on a
Speaker 2: holographic film, and an image pops out. Okay, Now, it
Speaker 2: turns out that if you slice the hologram into fours
Speaker 2: and you shine the laser beam on any quarter of
Speaker 2: that hologram, the whole image still pops out. It's a
Speaker 2: little bit blurrier. Put it cut it into eighth's whole
Speaker 2: image still pops out out of any fragment of this hologram.
Speaker 2: And what Prebram said is that the brain seems to
Speaker 2: work the same way. So that's some trauma victims, some
Speaker 2: who have some level of physical brain damage still remember
Speaker 2: things and have certain abilities, even though some of the
Speaker 2: parts of their brain that you would think are most
Speaker 2: relevant to that skill have been physically damaged. Because the
Speaker 2: brain records information holographically. Now, this is relevant to what
Speaker 2: we were talking about in terms of the semi and
Speaker 2: I mentioned this in my book Prometheism in the chapter
Speaker 2: on the end of reality. David Bohm took this data
Speaker 2: that called prebrum basically analyzed in terms of how the
Speaker 2: brain works, and he applied the same model to the
Speaker 2: whole universe. And Bom, David Bohm, the physicist, argued that
Speaker 2: certain characteristics of quantum theory, like what we discussed earlier,
Speaker 2: wave particle duality and also quantum entanglement, suggests that the
Speaker 2: universe functions like a hologram, that we're living in a
Speaker 2: universe that has holographic properties. And Michael Talbot gave a
Speaker 2: very sort of compelling popular presentation of this in his
Speaker 2: book The Holographic Universe, great great text from the nineties.
Speaker 2: Now that's another angle on the simulation theory. This idea
Speaker 2: that the universe, like the brain, has holographic properties, in
Speaker 2: other words, that it's an information storage and processing system.
Speaker 2: And in that metaphor, the laser being shown on the
Speaker 2: holographic film is consciousness laser yes, yes. So, for example,
Speaker 2: in the double slit experiment, right when the when the
Speaker 2: laser particle beam whatever is not being observed and it
Speaker 2: passes through the double slits and registers on the photographic
Speaker 2: films as a wave form, right, meaning that it passed
Speaker 2: through the double slits as a probability distribution of whether
Speaker 2: it would go through one slit or the other. That's
Speaker 2: like a piece of holographic film without a laser being
Speaker 2: shown on it, where all you see are swirls in
Speaker 2: the film. In a true hologram, when you look at
Speaker 2: holographic film, you can't see any image in it. It's
Speaker 2: a bunch of swirls. You need the laser beam to
Speaker 2: shine on it for the image to pop out. That's
Speaker 2: like observation in the double slit experiment where consciousness is
Speaker 2: akin to the laser beam that's being shown on the hologram.
Speaker 1: That makes sense.
Speaker 2: So what Boom and then Talbot we're saying is that
Speaker 2: it's consciousness that makes the universe pop out to us
Speaker 2: as a phenomenal experience from out of code, from out
Speaker 2: of mathematical wave functions in an information.
Speaker 1: Proces is consciousness.
Speaker 2: Exactly? You ask that question on the other side of
Speaker 2: two three hundred years of conditioning in a reductionist mechanistic
Speaker 2: physical model from a time of Newton onward, where it's
Speaker 2: expected that consciousness should be explained as a phenomenon reducible
Speaker 2: to some and a physical mechanism. Well, if Wheeler was
Speaker 2: right in his interpretation of you know this information theory
Speaker 2: that we were talking about beginning with Claude Shannon continuing
Speaker 2: with Royal Flandauer, if Wheeler's interpretation that.
Speaker 1: It comes Wheeler's first name.
Speaker 2: John John Archibald Wheeler. Okay, by the way, he had
Speaker 2: security clearances and worked with people deep in the deep State,
Speaker 2: including on the UFO subject secretly. So this goes to
Speaker 2: your question, like, what does it due to your worldview
Speaker 2: when you know this shit about how the universe works? Right,
Speaker 2: then not only are we living under the death Star,
Speaker 2: but actually we're living inside a simulation. What does that
Speaker 2: do to your view of the world and your sense
Speaker 2: of ethics? Yeah, but point being, if you ask what
Speaker 2: is consciousness coming from out of this physicalist, reductionist conditioning,
Speaker 2: the established mechanistic paradigm we've been living in for two
Speaker 2: three hundred years. Yeah, well, if Wheeler is correct and
Speaker 2: it comes from bit, it's a nonsensical question. What is consciousness?
Speaker 2: Consciousness is an irreducible precondition of any physical phenomena whatsoever
Speaker 2: the universe. The existence of any other experienceable phenomena is
Speaker 2: predicated on the fact of consciousness. If we're living in
Speaker 2: an information processing system, Danny right, for whom is the
Speaker 2: information being processed? And information processing system is there to
Speaker 2: render meaningful content to a mind or to minds okay,
Speaker 2: meaning the consciousness is intrinsic to the system, and by
Speaker 2: the way, that should be the intuitively correct view, Like
Speaker 2: this is some bizarre, counterintuitive thing to imagine that consciousness
Speaker 2: is some derivative phenomenon that needs to be explained in
Speaker 2: terms of gears and like billiard balls, that we need
Speaker 2: to build consciousness up from out of mechanistic physics. That's
Speaker 2: not intuitive at all.
Speaker 1: What do you make of Yung's idea of consciousness? How
Speaker 1: are you explained it as like this archipelago? He explained
Speaker 1: consciousness human consciousness as like this giant connected big thing,
Speaker 1: this big rock or big island or whatever, and there's
Speaker 1: water above it, and there's all these little islands sticking out.
Speaker 1: We are each individual islands of our own consciousness, our
Speaker 1: own ego or whatever. But below the ocean it's like this.
Speaker 1: It's this whole archipelago island that's connected, right, and it's
Speaker 1: all one thing.
Speaker 2: People say these things about Jung, when you actually look
Speaker 2: into Jung, it's a little bit more nuanced than that,
Speaker 2: and it's connected to other ideas that are more complex
Speaker 2: and more disturbing. So what you're talking about is the
Speaker 2: collective unconscious what Young called the collective unconscious, Okay, But
Speaker 2: what often isn't quoted from out of Jung is that
Speaker 2: Jung believed that different races had different collective unconsciousness, so
Speaker 2: he's not talking about the collective of humanity. He makes
Speaker 2: this point very distinctly that, for example, the German people
Speaker 2: have Wotan or Odin as an archetype that guides their
Speaker 2: collective unconscious, the Germanic collective unconscious. So you know, as
Speaker 2: World War Two was starting, Jung wrote about how he
Speaker 2: thought that the Nazis exploding onto the world stage were
Speaker 2: an eruption from out of the collective unconscious of the
Speaker 2: Germanic people, and that it was the god Odin as
Speaker 2: an archetype coming back into the world. And this idea
Speaker 2: is not unique to Jung, and he didn't come up
Speaker 2: with it. Actually, if you dig deeper into the German
Speaker 2: intellectual history, you find this in the Philosophy of Mind
Speaker 2: of Hegel, Georg Hegel, who you want to think about,
Speaker 2: somebody hard to read, I mean Hegel Man Like, there's
Speaker 2: no more cryptic and dense writer probably the entire human
Speaker 2: intellectual history than that fucker. But I've worked through some
Speaker 2: of Hegel, and in this Philosophy of Mind, it's very
Speaker 2: clear that one of the things he's saying is that
Speaker 2: different races, closely knit ethnic groups have something like unconscious
Speaker 2: telepathy going on. And actually you can see this very
Speaker 2: clearly in isolated tribes. People who've done anthropological research on
Speaker 2: tribes in Australia or in certain parts of Africa have
Speaker 2: seen that not only is their telepathy connecting members in
Speaker 2: the tribe, there's a lot of clairvoyance and stuff too.
Speaker 2: Like they they function, you know, primitive tribes function in
Speaker 2: a way similar to schools of fish or flocks of birds. Okay,
Speaker 2: and so an extension of that is that even as
Speaker 2: civilization arises, certain closely knit groups share a collective unconscious.
Speaker 2: So Jung wasn't saying that, like on some kumbai aimistical level,
Speaker 2: were all one, right. It was describing properties of the
Speaker 2: collective unconscious of different groups of people. But it could
Speaker 2: be that that's a nested hierarchy, you know, a nested hierarchy.
Speaker 2: In other words, you have very tightly knit collective unconsciousness
Speaker 2: of different races. But then there is a level of
Speaker 2: kind of telepathic communication among humanity in general. Right, And
Speaker 2: this goes to morphic resionance where we're saying about morphic
Speaker 2: resonance earlier, so that if there were humans somewhere else,
Speaker 2: like let's say there are also humans on Mars, there
Speaker 2: might be a kind of telepathic link between humans on
Speaker 2: Earth and humans on Mars. That is not in any way,
Speaker 2: shape or form saying that all sentient life in the
Speaker 2: universe is fundamentally interconnected, which is the claim a lot
Speaker 2: of sort of New Age people want to make sense
Speaker 2: one and it's all one and it's all with God
Speaker 2: and whatever that makes sense. The collective unconscious is actually
Speaker 2: a testable claim. It's hard to test, But it's a
Speaker 2: reasonable postulate in psychology and anthropology.
Speaker 1: What do you think makes some of these individuals who
Speaker 1: are able to do some of this consciousness stuff? Like
Speaker 1: whether whether it be people in the Stargate program doing
Speaker 1: remote viewing, or whether it be some of these folks
Speaker 1: that these whistleblowers are talking about doing these psionic psychic
Speaker 1: takeovers of UFOs. Is there something fundamental about certain people
Speaker 1: that gives them this ability, Like I know, for example,
Speaker 1: this guy David Morehouse came in here, he got shot
Speaker 1: in the head, right, he got a stray bullet hit
Speaker 1: him in the helmet, like knocked him unconscious, and he
Speaker 1: had had severe TBI and that's when they admitted him
Speaker 1: to the Stargate program. Like so, but other people seem to,
Speaker 1: like like Ingo Swan or like Uri Geller, seemed to
Speaker 1: be just like innately born with this.
Speaker 2: I think there are three different things going on. First
Speaker 2: of all, Gary Nolan claims that the research he's done
Speaker 2: in the in the research he's done at Stanford, that
Speaker 2: he's found that there are structural properties of the brains
Speaker 2: of these people basil ganglia. Yes, involving the basil ganglia.
Speaker 2: There are significantly different from the average and the population.
Speaker 2: So there could be elements of the physiological development of
Speaker 2: the brain, which is genetic, yes, and to some extent
Speaker 2: environmental that I say, to some extent environmental, because like
Speaker 2: radiation for example, can mutate people, right, it can mutate
Speaker 2: their brain development.
Speaker 1: And also I think Michael Horrero was saying that some
Speaker 1: of the people that they got in that on that mission,
Speaker 1: like had just survived an earthquake, and.
Speaker 2: Well that comes to another reason another fact. Well, that's
Speaker 2: a distinct fact.
Speaker 1: I would imagine that was because they were not a
Speaker 1: part of this civilized technical world that we live in.
Speaker 1: They're more in tuned in nature.
Speaker 2: Okay, in that case, there are four factors. Good, very
Speaker 2: good point. This goes back to the Australian Aborigines and
Speaker 2: the people tribes in Africa that I was just referencing.
Speaker 2: So four different factors. One, so Gary Nolan's research suggests
Speaker 2: that there are physical differences in the brains of these people.
Speaker 2: They're slight, but they're significant involving the you know, significant
Speaker 2: to the level of psychic ability that someone demonstrates, and
Speaker 2: it involves the basil ganglia. Another factor is trauma, and
Speaker 2: we're going to come back to that. Yeah, they're definitely
Speaker 2: a huge correlation. Yeah, they're definitely a huge correlation between trauma,
Speaker 2: especially trauma from childhood, and the degree of someone's extrasensory perception.
Speaker 2: Another factor is level of civilization. What you're just referencing
Speaker 2: that there is a clear correlation between the rise of
Speaker 2: technical intellect, the hypertrophy of our analytical mind, and the
Speaker 2: atrophy of psychic abilities. I talk about this in my
Speaker 2: first book, Prometheus and Atlas, that it's very obvious studying
Speaker 2: primitive tribes that they have much stronger psychic abilities, which
Speaker 2: stands to reason because animals have much stronger psychicabilities than humans.
Speaker 2: Studies on dogs, and on forces, and on fish and
Speaker 2: birds have shown that they have much stronger psychicabilities than humans.
Speaker 2: So it stands the reason that primitive tribes, we are
Speaker 2: still living close to nature, also would not have experienced
Speaker 2: an atrophy of their psychic abilities because they're relying more
Speaker 2: on analytical reasoning and on the technology that comes from it. Right, So,
Speaker 2: as we've separated ourselves from nature, both through analytical thinking
Speaker 2: and through material technologies that do shit for us, this
Speaker 2: is atrophy.
Speaker 1: It's interesting. I've heard people who've come on the podcast
Speaker 1: describe the experience of going down to the Amazon rainforest
Speaker 1: and being down there for weeks or even months, and
Speaker 1: they're saying, once you're down there, isolated from this hyper
Speaker 1: evolved technical world we live in in America and you
Speaker 1: get out of it into nature out there, something happens
Speaker 1: to you where your body just becomes in tune with
Speaker 1: the jungle where you it's weird, where you can sense
Speaker 1: dangers like not just I'm not talking about esp type stuff,
Speaker 1: where I'm saying like there's something built into us, like
Speaker 1: deep buried deep inside of us, where we automatically can
Speaker 1: like sense the way the birds are chirping that there's
Speaker 1: danger near right, little thing like little things in nature
Speaker 1: that we didn't even know were they're inside of us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, people say, getting in touch with your instincts,
Speaker 2: what does that mean?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 1: Sure's like some deep evolution that's that's in us that
Speaker 1: comes out when we're put back in those environments.
Speaker 2: Someone who wrote a lot about this in a fairly
Speaker 2: sophisticated way was the French philosopher Henri Bergson. Bergson was
Speaker 2: an early twentieth century philosopher who also by the way
Speaker 2: got involved with the League of Nations and he, you
Speaker 2: know the organization that today is called UNESCO, the United Nations,
Speaker 2: United Nations Educational and Scientific Organization UNESCO, which Trump is defunding.
Speaker 2: I don't blame him, given what UNESCO has become. But
Speaker 2: back in the day before the un was even formed,
Speaker 2: and it was still the League of Nations, remember the
Speaker 2: predecessor organization Bergson helped set up. And I think, yeah,
Speaker 2: he was the first director or he was a director
Speaker 2: of UNESCO. So he was not just a philosopher like
Speaker 2: you know in an ivory tower. He made a big
Speaker 2: impact on public intellectual culture. Anyway. Bergson in his book
Speaker 2: Creative Evolution and also in his book Matter and Memory,
Speaker 2: he discusses the evolutionary bifurcation of intellect and instinct, and
Speaker 2: he shows how various species that operate entirely on instinct
Speaker 2: because of their morphological structure, because of the way their
Speaker 2: bodies are constructed, like certain insects, they don't have the
Speaker 2: potential to develop technology because their bodies are too well
Speaker 2: suited to grappling with their environment. It's like they're born
Speaker 2: ready to handle the world. Yes, humans are born crippled,
Speaker 2: right and therefore we need technology, right, and so we
Speaker 2: as we develop technology, and as we develop the model
Speaker 2: building intellectually that allows us to engineer technology. In other words,
Speaker 2: as we develop a scientific analytical mindset, are instinct atrophies.
Speaker 2: So there's this evolutionary bifurcation between instinct, I'm sorry, intuition, Sorry, no,
Speaker 2: instinct and intellect. And what Bergson says is that what
Speaker 2: we call intuition is the resurgence of instinct in the
Speaker 2: context of a life form with a dominant analytical intellect.
Speaker 2: So our intuition is us getting back in touch with
Speaker 2: the instinct that these other animals operated a course.
Speaker 1: And that's interesting too, like with human beings, how long
Speaker 1: it takes us from birth to be able to survive
Speaker 1: in the environment, Like we're literally helpless for years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. And that goes to the heart of
Speaker 2: the myth of Prometheus that's been central to all of
Speaker 2: my work because you know, one of the elements of
Speaker 2: the myth of Prometheus that a lot of people neglect
Speaker 2: because they don't really you know, look into it, and
Speaker 2: I just think about, Oh, Prometheus stole fire from the
Speaker 2: gods to give men the power of ingenuity. Okay, that
Speaker 2: Prometheus brought this fire to be a forge for all
Speaker 2: kinds of technical innovation and invention. Right, But part of
Speaker 2: the myth of Prometheus is that so Zeus lets Prometheus
Speaker 2: design humans. Humans are creations of Prometheus, not of Zeus
Speaker 2: in Greek mythology, except Prometheus, whose name means forethought, has
Speaker 2: this forgetful brother Epimetheus, his name means afterthought, and Epimetheus
Speaker 2: kind of begs Prometheus to be involved in the project
Speaker 2: of the creation of man, and Prometheus subcontracts part of
Speaker 2: the design of humans. To Epimetheus, Epimetheus forgets to endow
Speaker 2: humans with an essence particular to our species. So, according
Speaker 2: to the Greek way of thinking, all different various animals
Speaker 2: had a species being, an essence that defines that species
Speaker 2: as what it is, gives it its purpose. Remember we
Speaker 2: were talking about final causes earlier. Telos purpose aim of
Speaker 2: a species or an organism. So Epimetheus forgets to give
Speaker 2: a purpose a telos. It means we're not born with
Speaker 2: any purpose that's designed, that's embedded in us the way
Speaker 2: that it is in the case of certain insects any
Speaker 2: other non human animals, and therefore we're left to define
Speaker 2: our own purpose through the development and use of technology.
Speaker 2: So the human is an existentially uncompleted being who necessarily
Speaker 2: has to complete himself through the use of technology. This
Speaker 2: idea is that the heart of the myth of Prometheus,
Speaker 2: and it's very beautifully symbolized where when Prometheus finds out
Speaker 2: that shit, my dumb brother, my forgetful brother, didn't give
Speaker 2: these creatures any purpose, any essence, Athena comes and helps out.
Speaker 2: She has a special relationship with Prometheus, Athena. He tried
Speaker 2: to seduce her at one point, and Athena comes and
Speaker 2: helps out by giving Man his soul in the form
Speaker 2: of a butterfly. So what substitutes what you know for
Speaker 2: the our lacking essence is a butterfly, that's the soul
Speaker 2: of man. Well, what's a butterfly? The symbol of metamorphosis,
Speaker 2: the caterpillar becoming the butterfly.
Speaker 1: It's just like marshamll clue and is this tie into
Speaker 1: his idea of the electronic caterpillar.
Speaker 2: I don't know. The human humanity. Humans are basically creating this.
Speaker 1: We are, like the electronic caterpillar, building technology into this. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: yes it does. Our purpose is to build this.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, perfectly, and so you know, it's another
Speaker 2: way of saying that it's up to us what we
Speaker 2: make ourselves. It's up to us. We have the freedom
Speaker 2: of a butterfly, and we have the metamorphic potential of
Speaker 2: the caterpillar, and through technology with which we cannot survive,
Speaker 2: without which we wouldn't even be human. You know that
Speaker 2: pre human hominids evolved into us by using technology. Fire
Speaker 2: made it easier to chew food, and the shape of
Speaker 2: the human skull changed because of that, since we didn't
Speaker 2: need huge chomper jaws anymore. So the very morphology of
Speaker 2: the Homo sapien was in the first place, defined by
Speaker 2: a certain technological innovation. So we're intrinsically technological beings with
Speaker 2: a metamorphic potential that's unique in nature, and that means
Speaker 2: that our evolutionary horizon is open. We can decide what
Speaker 2: it is we want to become, which is very freeing
Speaker 2: but also incredibly dangerous.
Speaker 1: What do you make of the stoned a hypothesis that
Speaker 1: we eate a mushroom which accounted for the extreme growth
Speaker 1: in our brain size.
Speaker 2: Well, that's also techne. So you know, Heidegger uses this
Speaker 2: word techne, which comes from ancient Greek to express the
Speaker 2: essence of technology, and it means craft and cultivation of
Speaker 2: psychedelic substances is also craft. So yeah, it's a form
Speaker 2: of technology, and undoubtedly, at various junctures it contributed to
Speaker 2: the evolution of human consciousness and probably will continue to.
Speaker 2: Mean DMT what you know, we're talking about earlier off
Speaker 2: the record, about experiments where people are given DMT and
Speaker 2: they look at laser beams and they see the code
Speaker 2: of the matrix inside the laser beams. Well, you know,
Speaker 2: if that starts to happen on a large enough scale
Speaker 2: and it's considered in the context of all this data
Speaker 2: that we've discussed regarding the possibility we're living in a
Speaker 2: simulation that's certainly going to result in some kind of
Speaker 2: a mutation of human consciousness. Grappling with that fact existentially
Speaker 2: is going to involve or require a further evolution of
Speaker 2: human consciousness.
Speaker 1: That study with Danny Goler did that. He was just
Speaker 1: on here again recently and Andrew Gallimore did a review
Speaker 1: of it. I think he's now working with Galimore doing
Speaker 1: further studies of it.
Speaker 2: He found out about it through reading Galimore.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Gallamore's doing the DMT X extended state DMT stuff,
Speaker 1: And one of the things that Gallimore talks about is
Speaker 1: there's history, a history of people under this under the
Speaker 1: influence of psychedelic drugs seeing code and specific things. And
Speaker 1: one of the things that he described in regards to
Speaker 1: that laser experiment where you do DMT and you shine
Speaker 1: the laser on the wall, you look at the laser
Speaker 1: and you see that code, is that it's like the
Speaker 1: laser sort of acts like a microscope. Like first of all,
Speaker 1: when you're doing DMT, what's doing is, in his view,
Speaker 1: is it's breaking down all these filters that we have
Speaker 1: in our brain. Our brain is filtering out what we
Speaker 1: normally have every day to be able to eat, sleep,
Speaker 1: survive and get through the day right. And when you
Speaker 1: take DMT, it breaks down all these filters. So you're
Speaker 1: seeing maybe this code. Maybe you're seeing more stuff that's
Speaker 1: really here that we can't normally see in a normal state.
Speaker 1: And when you bring in a laser while you're in
Speaker 1: that state, it's like hyper focusing on one part of that.
Speaker 1: And maybe that explains why we're seeing this specific little
Speaker 1: code that everyone that are I think a vast majority
Speaker 1: of people who have done that exact DMT laser experiment
Speaker 1: have reported seeing the same exact code. Yes, and the
Speaker 1: code looks like this, this type form, this Japanese text
Speaker 1: form that's called katakana, which is very similar to the
Speaker 1: matrix to the matrix dripping rain code, which is a
Speaker 1: human that was designed by humans. So why how do
Speaker 1: you explain that what we're doing, we're going into the
Speaker 1: state and seeing this thing that must have been there
Speaker 1: before humans were here is a human invention.
Speaker 2: You know what else is really creepy about that? Is
Speaker 2: it some people who've been inside these deep underground for
Speaker 2: facilities where whatever you want to call it. I don't
Speaker 2: know why we didn't call these things these days alien technology. No,
Speaker 2: it's not really alien off world technology. No, they're coming
Speaker 2: from under the ocean. It gets hard to you know,
Speaker 2: even label these things. Whatever they've seen weird shit, right,
Speaker 2: tech that's deeply classified in these underground facilities. And they
Speaker 2: say that this exotic technology in some cases involves a
Speaker 2: script that like like on UFOs, there's a script printed
Speaker 2: in certain places, or they found there's this one case
Speaker 2: where a guy was shown a gauntlet like a big
Speaker 2: glove that had an information display on it, and when
Speaker 2: he looked into it, the holographic display was showing the symbols.
Speaker 2: They're the same symbols that people see on DMT in
Speaker 2: the laser beam. This is the claim that's been made
Speaker 2: by people who've done DMT and who've also been in
Speaker 2: these classified facilities and seen this script in printed on
Speaker 2: UFOs or on displays that they've recovered from inside UFOs,
Speaker 2: and it's the same script. So what does that tell you?
Speaker 2: It seems to suggest that the people who manufactured that
Speaker 2: technology have long since cracked this code and they use
Speaker 2: it themselves as some kind of a symbol system. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: well that's disturbing. Yes. By the way, speaking of lasers
Speaker 2: and laser beams, you know who invented those?
Speaker 1: Was it really the Nazis?
Speaker 2: They invented lasers for the sake of enriching uranium.
Speaker 1: Steve asked chagbt who invented the lasers?
Speaker 2: That's probably going to give us a politically correct answer,
Speaker 2: But I've read the history of this, uh huh, and
Speaker 2: it was done so Look the Germans.
Speaker 1: Theodore Maymon first working laser in nineteen sixty at huge
Speaker 1: research laboratories in malibuik California.
Speaker 2: Yeah, look up if he can do this in the
Speaker 2: background while we talk, Yeah, laser isotope enrichment. The history
Speaker 2: of laser isotope enrichment. Okay, so the first really functioning
Speaker 2: coherent lasers, as far as I understand, were invented by
Speaker 2: the Germans in the nineteen I don't know, late thirties,
Speaker 2: early forties for the sake of enriching uranium. And you know,
Speaker 2: what we're told is that Werner Heisenberg, you know, the
Speaker 2: German physicist Werner Heisenberg. He wrote a great book called
Speaker 2: Physics and Philosophy. He was a very deep thinker. But
Speaker 2: what we're told in the official histories is that Heisenberg
Speaker 2: was running the Atombaum program for the Nazis, and that
Speaker 2: they were using heavy water enrichment. They were using you
Speaker 2: know what they're so worried about in Iran today, gas
Speaker 2: centrifuges rich uranium. That's the official narrative that this is
Speaker 2: the nature of the Nazi Adam bomb program, and that
Speaker 2: we sent some operatives from Norway or something to blow
Speaker 2: up their uranium plants and it ended their atom bomb program. Well,
Speaker 2: there have been some alternative researchers like Joseph Farrell, who
Speaker 2: are citing other more technical sources. The name of this
Speaker 2: book escapes me. It's a whole book on the German
Speaker 2: Adam baumb program, which Farrell cites extensively. And there's an
Speaker 2: argument that the Germans had a second parallel adam bomb
Speaker 2: program based on laser isotope Enrichmond and this was the
Speaker 2: reason why they invented lasers. And these researchers point to
Speaker 2: two incidents that took place in nineteen forty four where
Speaker 2: it appears that the Germans successfully tested an atom bomb
Speaker 2: one over the Baltic Sea where there was this pilot.
Speaker 2: It was flying Allied pilot was flying across the Baltic
Speaker 2: Sea area and he saw this explosion which involved all
Speaker 2: kinds of different rainbow colors inside of it. And supposedly
Speaker 2: this is a characteristic of nuclear explosions that very few
Speaker 2: people know about. You have to actually have seen one
Speaker 2: to know that this happens. It's the fissile material like
Speaker 2: continuing to react inside the mushroom cloud and it produces
Speaker 2: a certain display of like multicolored lights. We don't see
Speaker 2: it in any of those test footages. You remember those
Speaker 2: old Adam Baum tests because it's all black and white footage.
Speaker 2: But so he described seeing this inside this explosion, and
Speaker 2: only a nuclear explosion could produce that. Then there was
Speaker 2: another one at a place not all that far from Berlin.
Speaker 2: I forget the name of the small town that it
Speaker 2: was near, but it caused an EMP blackout of all
Speaker 2: the electricity and communications in Berlin for like, I don't know,
Speaker 2: twenty four hours or something. So point being, you know,
Speaker 2: that's something very disturbing to consider that, Like if the
Speaker 2: Nazis had actually successfully tested nuclear weapons in nineteen forty four,
Speaker 2: why did they lose the war? Right? What is that about?
Speaker 1: What is that about? Yeah? This, I mean, so, do
Speaker 1: you think it's possible that there is a civilization of
Speaker 1: humans or something that is here inhabiting this planet that
Speaker 1: we can't see or interact with. Typically, I'm sure there's
Speaker 1: exceptions that it would be analogous to like us compared
Speaker 1: to an uncontacted tribe living on an island. That is
Speaker 1: so technologically.
Speaker 2: It's about analogy because the level of interference in our
Speaker 2: societies on their part is such that it's nothing like
Speaker 2: anthropologists trying to study an uncontacted tribe without disturbing it.
Speaker 2: I mean, they're basically socially engineering our entire world. Okay, okay,
Speaker 2: so if you look through the history of religions, right,
Speaker 2: I think we talked about this in our first conversation.
Speaker 2: I cover it at length and Closer Encounters and in
Speaker 2: Prometheus and Atlas. Working from sources like well, first of all,
Speaker 2: I mean I talk comparative religion myself. So I've read
Speaker 2: the Bible like in depth, and read the Quran and
Speaker 2: various religious scriptures. But also you know, I've read Jacques
Speaker 2: Valet's works Passport to Magonia, The Invisible College, an excellent
Speaker 2: book by William Bramley, which I can't mention enough times.
Speaker 2: Everybody in the UFO circle should read this book, The
Speaker 2: Gods of Eden William Bramley. Okay, nobody wants to think
Speaker 2: about these things. William Bramley Anyway, I don't want to
Speaker 2: repeat myself from the first show. But he started out
Speaker 2: studying war profiteering throughout the course of history, and he
Speaker 2: came to the conclusion that the beings behind the UFO
Speaker 2: phenomenon have been socially engineering all of our cultures from
Speaker 2: the earliest that we have any historical records, and that
Speaker 2: they're responsible for all the major wars and basically what's
Speaker 2: going on is mass exploitation of the human population by
Speaker 2: a hit and elite. So looking at all this, you
Speaker 2: see that they've been not just interfering, they've been designing
Speaker 2: human societies going back thousands of years.
Speaker 1: How does this fit into the simulation hypothesis?
Speaker 2: Good fucking question, right, Because there's more than one way
Speaker 2: you can interpret that. And this goes back to your
Speaker 2: question of if you're a person who has all the
Speaker 2: security clearances and you know all the darkest secrets and
Speaker 2: you've had to internalize that as part of your worldview,
Speaker 2: what's due to you? Right? Because one possibility is that
Speaker 2: the designers of the simulation themselves, that they're like the Okay,
Speaker 2: either like the architect or like the agent Smith's in
Speaker 2: the matrix. Right, that's one possibility, Okay, But there's another possibility,
Speaker 2: And by the way, I hope that one's wrong. I
Speaker 2: hope they're not the designers of the simulation because if
Speaker 2: you look at some of the fucked up shit that
Speaker 2: these entities have done, like for example, the cases in Brazil,
Speaker 2: nobody seems to like to talk about those these days. No, no, no.
Speaker 2: In the nineteen seventies in the Amazon Basin in Brazil,
Speaker 2: these Nordic UFO pilots terrorized and mutilated the population. They
Speaker 2: would burn them with lasers, they would chase them through
Speaker 2: the forest, they would kidnap people, they left mutilated bodies.
Speaker 2: There were people. I don't want to describe some of
Speaker 2: the things that were done to some of these people.
Speaker 2: Doctors went in there and they were horrified.
Speaker 1: By name of this event.
Speaker 2: I discuss it in closer Encounters, where I cite extensively,
Speaker 2: you know, primary sources on it, including Jacques Valais, who
Speaker 2: wrote a forward to a book about this. I think
Speaker 2: it was called UFO Danger Zone in Brazil or something.
Speaker 2: And Jacques Valai wrote the forward to that. Okay, and
Speaker 2: yet he I've never heard Valet in all these years
Speaker 2: bring up those cases again. And I think it's because
Speaker 2: it conflicts with an implicit agenda. Yeah, there you go
Speaker 2: forward by Jacques Valai, terror and death in Brazil, And yes,
Speaker 2: it really was terror and death, I mean, with utter
Speaker 2: contempt for these natives of the Brazilian backwater. These Nordics
Speaker 2: came in and treated them as less than slaves, almost
Speaker 2: as if they were engaging in sport hunting these people
Speaker 2: and just like sadistically terrorizing. There was no constructive purpose,
Speaker 2: you understand, Like, it's not like they were abducting these
Speaker 2: people to experimental notes. No, no, no, they were just
Speaker 2: terrorizing the fuck out of these people, coming up from
Speaker 2: out of the rivers in the Amazon basin and doing
Speaker 2: this to them. And they were described very clearly by
Speaker 2: all the inhabitants there, because the people down there are
Speaker 2: you know, mostly Indian DNA, you know, Amazonian Indian DNA,
Speaker 2: and so they say, you know, alone breblanco. You know,
Speaker 2: there were white people, blondes, white people. Right, they even
Speaker 2: thought maybe gringos were behind it. Right, But unless the
Speaker 2: US military had advanced so much, you know, from the
Speaker 2: nineteen fifties until the nineteen seventies that we had fleets
Speaker 2: of UFOs underneath the Amazon rivers coming up, you know.
Speaker 2: And I don't buy it. And besides, like I said,
Speaker 2: you see this all through human history. It's in the
Speaker 2: record of every single religion from the Hindu scriptures, the
Speaker 2: Mahamara and the Ramayana, and the wars between the Devas
Speaker 2: and the Ashuras, and how they nuked and leveled whole
Speaker 2: cities all the way to what's in the Bible in
Speaker 2: the Book of Ezekiel destruction of Sodom and Gomorah. It's
Speaker 2: all their same beings. Abraham deals with them, and they're
Speaker 2: so beautiful that when they first show up, he's so
Speaker 2: impressed by them that he's like, wife, take care of
Speaker 2: these people, like you know, they they're very they seem
Speaker 2: like they're very important. Those aren't aliens. And the same
Speaker 2: people go to Sodom to retrieve Lot right before God
Speaker 2: is going to destroy, before he's going to nuke Sodom.
Speaker 2: And these guys are so attractive, they're such beautiful men
Speaker 2: that these lectures come around the house of Lot, and
Speaker 2: they all want to rape these guys, and so Lot,
Speaker 2: the Great Prophet, the chosen Prophet of God, volunteers to
Speaker 2: give his daughter to be ripped by these men instead
Speaker 2: of allowing them to be motive by the crowd that's
Speaker 2: massed outside his house. Anyway, point being, they were tall,
Speaker 2: beautiful people. Okay, those are not aliens. Those are humans
Speaker 2: who are up to no good and have very advanced technology.
Speaker 2: So point being, I hope they're not the designers of
Speaker 2: the simulation. There's another hypothesis that they're people who figured
Speaker 2: out they're in a simulation a long time ago. Remember
Speaker 2: what we were saying about marsh and mcmonaga was saying,
Speaker 2: they're trying to find a way out. No matter what
Speaker 2: they do, they can't find a way out. And remember
Speaker 2: you said to me, I was talking about you know
Speaker 2: Brandenburg study of how many nukes had to have been
Speaker 2: detonated in Sdonia, and you're like, well, then the nukes
Speaker 2: destroyed the atmosphere, right, Well, there's another possibility that this
Speaker 2: was the first version of something like the destruction of Atlantis,
Speaker 2: where these giant pyramids on Mars were data centers and
Speaker 2: the Martians started to experi operience this geophysical information catastrophe
Speaker 2: and they nuked their own servers, trying to stop the
Speaker 2: thing as it was getting out of hand. But you
Speaker 2: know they got to it too late. Wow. So point
Speaker 2: being the people behind the UFO phenomenon, and I be
Speaker 2: labor that point. People behind the UFO phenomenon could be
Speaker 2: the first people who figured out were in a simulation
Speaker 2: and it totally fucked their heads. And as far as
Speaker 2: I can see it, they became very sadistic.
Speaker 1: Now, one of the things Career was explaining to me
Speaker 1: is that if there are people or organization, private companies
Speaker 1: aerospace that have figured all this out, they hypothetically would
Speaker 1: be more powerful than any world government, maybe all of
Speaker 1: the world government and maybe Russia, China, US combined militarily wise,
Speaker 1: and that would explain I mean he also goes on
Speaker 1: to say, how like top J two generals cannot get
Speaker 1: access to this stuff, meaning basically the highest lever levels
Speaker 1: of the US military can't even get clearance on this technology.
Speaker 1: I mean, they're like holding it hostage from the US.
Speaker 2: How do you suppose such a structure would have developed.
Speaker 1: I would imagine it would have started with the United
Speaker 1: States and DARPA after the World War two, and now
Speaker 1: through paper Clip and through other stuff we were doing,
Speaker 1: and it got so out of hand because obviously they
Speaker 1: wanted the government didn't want to have accountability over this stuff,
Speaker 1: so that's why they put it in the private sector.
Speaker 1: And basically they figured it out to an extent where
Speaker 1: it maybe took off and got so powerful that they realized, look,
Speaker 1: we don't need to fucking answer the US government anymore.
Speaker 1: We control this stuff. And maybe they're running around the
Speaker 1: world right now with impunity, doing things that we have
Speaker 1: no idea what the fuck they're doing. And maybe they're like,
Speaker 1: I think you made it. You described it in a
Speaker 1: way as if potentially these are the people that are
Speaker 1: waiting for China and Russia. China and Russia and the
Speaker 1: United States are like fishing upon fighting and they're waiting
Speaker 1: for them to get worn out and they just take
Speaker 1: over like a cat. Like a cat.
Speaker 2: Yeah, stats Sikha height deanst national Security Agency. It's a
Speaker 2: Nazi term. It's a Nazi term was imported into this country.
Speaker 2: National Security Act of nineteen forty seven established the National
Speaker 2: Security Agency, the CIA, and basically the entire infrastructure of
Speaker 2: our deep state.
Speaker 1: That's also when we change the name of the Department
Speaker 1: of War to the Department of Defense.
Speaker 2: Very cute.
Speaker 1: So get this, and we created the CIA.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so a lot of people talk about paper clip.
Speaker 2: We brought thousands of Nazi scientists over here, and people
Speaker 2: talk only about the physicists for some reason, the rocket scientists,
Speaker 2: which will come to them and the bizarre shit that
Speaker 2: was going on with them. But there were also psychologists
Speaker 2: we brought here, and we brought biologists here. We brought
Speaker 2: all kinds of people. The psychologists who developed mk Ultra,
Speaker 2: eventually starting with Project Bluebird in the fifties and became
Speaker 2: mk Ultra in the sixties. Bluebird was worse. They were
Speaker 2: exprementing on children. These were Nazi psychologists who were brought
Speaker 2: over here to develop these behavioral sciences. They had been
Speaker 2: doing these things in the concentration camps. So we bring
Speaker 2: all these thousands of Nazi scientists over here between nineteen
Speaker 2: forty five and nineteen forty seven. Okay, you know what
Speaker 2: else is happening at the same time that nobody seems
Speaker 2: to talk about. You read the Spanish newspapers at the time,
Speaker 2: and they're saying bizarre shit. That Otto Skorzeni. You know
Speaker 2: who he was? So so Mussolini. So Italy fell before Germany, right,
Speaker 2: most of Italy except for the Salo Republic, which was
Speaker 2: in the north. And Mussolini was arrested and he was
Speaker 2: taken made prisoner on island of Ponza. The Nazis used
Speaker 2: psychics remote viewers to find Mussolini. They pinpointed him by
Speaker 2: the way. The Nazis used to use this to track
Speaker 2: naval fleets all the time. They would find the positions
Speaker 2: of destroyers and you know American naval ships using remote viewers. Anyway,
Speaker 2: they used this to find Mussolini island he was held
Speaker 2: on and they sent this super commando special forces leader
Speaker 2: Otto Skorzeni, guy with a mustache and a real labadass fencing,
Speaker 2: creepy looking guy, Otto Skorzeni. They sent him to retrieve Mussolini.
Speaker 2: There's this pictures where Mussolini has been freed. He's been
Speaker 2: extracted by the Nazis and he's with Skorzeni and Hitler.
Speaker 2: He's been brought back to Reich headquarters. Right, they took
Speaker 2: care of their boy. They found Mussolini pulled down. Yeah,
Speaker 2: look at some of the ones with it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, look at that giant fencing scar.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Now, let me tell you a little bit about
Speaker 2: this guy. So so look, so all these people were
Speaker 2: prosecuted in Umberg, right, yep, somehow this guy gets loose
Speaker 2: and he's in Spain from nineteen forty five to nineteen
Speaker 2: forty seven, h under Franco. So remember there was one
Speaker 2: fascist regime that survived the end of World War Two,
Speaker 2: Italy and Germany. Felbert Spain survived. Spain was a fascist
Speaker 2: regime that survived the end of World War Two and
Speaker 2: moreover as the mother country of the Spanish speaking world.
Speaker 2: The fascist regime of General Franco was connected to the
Speaker 2: fascist regime of Argentine, and there was a pipeline between
Speaker 2: Spain and Argentina in terms of Nazi personnel and assets.
Speaker 2: So this guy shows up. The Spanish newspapers are writing
Speaker 2: between forty five and forty seven, and he's with Franco
Speaker 2: on the Mediterranean coast of Spain, and they're launching saucer
Speaker 2: shaped rockets. So they didn't know what to call these
Speaker 2: things at that point. The only knew what rockets were
Speaker 2: saucer shaped rockets toward America. What happens in nineteen forty
Speaker 2: seven Roswell? Where is Roswell the only military base at
Speaker 2: that time housing nuclear weapons, the base from which Theonola
Speaker 2: Gay flew to drop the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Right, Okay,
Speaker 2: So here's something really disturbing about Roswell. Corso's descriptions exactly.
Speaker 2: Corso's descriptions don't fit anything from an alien craft man.
Speaker 2: The guy was in charge large as head a foreign
Speaker 2: technology division of understanding foreign countries technologies, right, And what
Speaker 2: did he say was pulled out of the wreckage and
Speaker 2: then reverse engineered velcrow night vision? What else? Vl kevlar?
Speaker 2: Come on, man, aliens coming here from another like Star
Speaker 2: System are using like Velcrow and Kevlar and night vision.
Speaker 2: That's like their state of their own technology. There's a
Speaker 2: reason why nobody talks about Danny. There's a reason why.
Speaker 2: So how did Corso describe this stuff? And where's it
Speaker 2: documented for people to read it? After Roswell? Yeah, and
Speaker 2: he says kevlar night vision. Now, Joseph Farrell wrote a
Speaker 2: great uh study of Roswell and other associated incidents in
Speaker 2: the context of Nazi psychological operations. It's called saucers, swastikas,
Speaker 2: and psyops. But way, I have big problems with you.
Speaker 2: By the way, don't think I'm like you're trying to
Speaker 2: promote Joseph for something. I spent a couple of days
Speaker 2: with the guy. I got big problems with him. He's
Speaker 2: an Orthodox Christian high up in the Orthodox Christian apparatus
Speaker 2: and so forth. So you know Joseph Farrell's worldview at
Speaker 2: a deep level and mind couldn't be more opposed. Right,
Speaker 2: But I have to say he's done some very rigorous research.
Speaker 2: And the stuff that Farrell swastika saucers and psyops squares
Speaker 2: Andy's on the cover of that book. Actually, yeah, wow.
Speaker 2: And so Farrell was commenting on Corso and what Corso
Speaker 2: wrote and day after Roswell and He's saying, there's no
Speaker 2: way this is alien. There's no way this is alien.
Speaker 2: Nazi technology was anywhere between five to ten years in
Speaker 2: advance of ours. We know that. We know that looking
Speaker 2: at the history of technological innovation. For example, in computers,
Speaker 2: the Nazis had very small transistors already in World War Two.
Speaker 2: It took us another five to ten years to develop those.
Speaker 2: IBM had a German subsidiary called Dejomog. It was the
Speaker 2: German branch of IBM. The information was so compartmentalized. The
Speaker 2: German IBM was the head of American IBM, the parent company,
Speaker 2: and they had transistors that were much smaller. Right, So
Speaker 2: you can look across all the different fields of technology
Speaker 2: and see like, for example, the Germans testing night vision
Speaker 2: goggles in the African desert in nineteen forty two. They
Speaker 2: were like five to ten years ahead of us. Yeah,
Speaker 2: then when you look at the Saucer technology itself, you know,
Speaker 2: electro gravitics and the Saucer airframe.
Speaker 1: Who were the brothers that were working on this stuffs.
Speaker 2: So when you read the Twining Memorandum, General Nathan Twining's
Speaker 2: memorandum about the Saucers, about flying discs as they called
Speaker 2: them in those days, there was a fake version of
Speaker 2: that that was modified and it was leaked in the
Speaker 2: leaked in the UFO community, like I don't know, a
Speaker 2: couple decades ago, and it changed a few sentences to
Speaker 2: make it out like Twining thought these were aliens. The
Speaker 2: original Twining Memorandum has since been excavated, and where you read,
Speaker 2: you know, at the end, when he's drawing his conclusions
Speaker 2: and making recommendations, he says, basically, this looks a lot
Speaker 2: like not Nazi shit, and we really should find out
Speaker 2: where the Horton brothers are. Hmm, Okay.
Speaker 1: So any Jacobson talks about this a lot in her
Speaker 1: fifty one book. Yeah, and I've asked a lot of
Speaker 1: people about it and no one seems to buy into it.
Speaker 1: But she, I mean, I know you're familiar with it. Basically,
Speaker 1: the idea is that there was very good Mangala Mangalay
Speaker 1: surgically altered some children to go in that thing, and
Speaker 1: they progeria.
Speaker 2: The children remote controlled here progeria children progeria. Their heads
Speaker 2: get all swollen up, and they look old, even though
Speaker 2: they're they're you know, neotonous looking, yeah, but they look
Speaker 2: old at the same time their heads get all swore.
Speaker 1: And there was an E. G and G engineer who
Speaker 1: told Annie this, and she goes, why why would didn't
Speaker 1: you guys make this public if you found out that
Speaker 1: this was Russian stalin flown or Nazi stuff like, he
Speaker 1: would make them look terrible on the world stage.
Speaker 2: And he said, the reason we didn't let it out
Speaker 2: is we continued the research. We continued the reason absolutely right, absolutely,
Speaker 2: so where is this all coming? At the point of
Speaker 2: departure was our conversation about the deep state? And yes,
Speaker 2: if there's an entity, as Greer says, and here I
Speaker 2: agree with him, that's more powerful than all the governments
Speaker 2: of the world, how did it start? Where did it start?
Speaker 2: Started here? And started here? Because okay, here gets a
Speaker 2: little bit mind boggling. Again. On the one hand, we've
Speaker 2: imported these thousands of Nazis and we're engaging them in
Speaker 2: let's just say highly ethically dubious projects, which requires what
Speaker 2: it requires, a massive state security and classification apparatus to
Speaker 2: be put in place, right, which is unconstitutional according to
Speaker 2: our constitution, government of the people, by the people, for
Speaker 2: the people. There was that thing, the Bill of Rights.
Speaker 2: So on the one hand, we're bringing all this technical
Speaker 2: expertise in the projects they're working on were things they
Speaker 2: were doing in concentration camps, so we need classification for that.
Speaker 2: On the other hand, the saucer crashes and it looks weird.
Speaker 2: We don't know what it is. Maybe it's alien, we
Speaker 2: don't know what, but it's definitely a threat to national security.
Speaker 2: And moreover, the thing crashed next to our only nuclear
Speaker 2: base at the time, and it's got maybe some deformed
Speaker 2: children in it, and it's got all this super advanced technology,
Speaker 2: but still stuff we can understand that we were already
Speaker 2: working on. So you also need security classification for that.
Speaker 2: So here we have the National Security Act of nineteen
Speaker 2: forty seven, which effectively creates the deep state. Right but
Speaker 2: let me okay, so all right, I'll finish this point
Speaker 2: and then I'll go back to talking about the saucer
Speaker 2: as an engineering design where it came from. This deep
Speaker 2: state was already so autonomous from the civilian government of
Speaker 2: the United States, including our Defense Department, that when von
Speaker 2: Braun's team was working on the early rockets, the adaptation
Speaker 2: of the V two into a ballistic missile in the
Speaker 2: nineteen fifties in Texas, the Pentagon officials found out that
Speaker 2: the Germans were taking classified information to the border and
Speaker 2: meeting with Nazi officials coming from Argentina and Chile and Paraguay,
Speaker 2: meeting them in border towns in Mexico, right on the
Speaker 2: Texas border and giving them classified information from inside of
Speaker 2: our programs. So they confronted the German scientists about this, right,
Speaker 2: they were going to like chastise them whatever, I don't know,
Speaker 2: what could they do? Well, revoked their clearances. Well, who's
Speaker 2: going to build this shit? Right, But you know, they
Speaker 2: get on their case about it. Guess what the next
Speaker 2: thing that happens is oops, the Germans misdirected their missiles
Speaker 2: and they landed in Mexico. They shot some ballistic missiles
Speaker 2: into Mexico as a way to say to the Pentagon,
Speaker 2: don't fuck with us. You fuck with us again, We'll
Speaker 2: start a war with Mexico, so already by the nineteen
Speaker 2: fifties they had their hands on the balls of the
Speaker 2: US government to that extent. This is why you have
Speaker 2: Eisenhower coming out and making that statement as he leaves office,
Speaker 2: warning about the military industrial complex that's gotten out of
Speaker 2: hand and they're a threat to our democratic society, etc.
Speaker 2: Because he knew this stuff. And I'm convinced the main reason, Now,
Speaker 2: Kennedy made a lot of enemies for a lot of reasons.
Speaker 2: The Kennedy brothers did because they were, you know, engaged
Speaker 2: in prosecuting them mafia, and you know, there was the
Speaker 2: whole que An angle with a Bay of Pigs fiasco.
Speaker 2: But I'm convinced that the main reason the JFK was
Speaker 2: killed is that Eisenhower handed this information off to him,
Speaker 2: the UFO stuff, the whole deep state problem, and said
Speaker 2: to him, listen, man, you have to get this under
Speaker 2: control because these people pose an existential risk to our constitution,
Speaker 2: in our way of life. And Kennedy was going to
Speaker 2: shut them down. And even after he was executed, his
Speaker 2: brother would have pursued the same policy. So they were
Speaker 2: both taken out. And I've heard RFK on record in
Speaker 2: interviews say that he believes that his father was killed
Speaker 2: by a Lockheed contractor, specifically a Lockheed contractor. Now, why
Speaker 2: would a Lockheed contractor assassinate Robert Kennedy. There's only one
Speaker 2: explanation you can come up with for that. WHOA. Now,
Speaker 2: this is the place to go back to the saucers, Okay, Locke.
Speaker 2: Martin used to be called Martin Aircraft in the nineteen
Speaker 2: In nineteen fifty three, there were all these stories that
Speaker 2: came out in mainstream news publications about how these aerospace
Speaker 2: they weren't called it, they were called aircraft companies. In
Speaker 2: those days, aircraft companies have developed the G engine and
Speaker 2: they're about to roll off the assembly line craft that
Speaker 2: can defy gravity and get you, like from New York
Speaker 2: to Australia in an hour. There are all these stories
Speaker 2: about this stuff, and they quoted the chairman of Martin
Speaker 2: Aircraft Lear con There a bunch of companies, handful of companies,
Speaker 2: and the only one of those that's still active in
Speaker 2: the defense industrial scene is Martin Aircraft, which became Lockheed. Okay, okay,
Speaker 2: and then in nineteen by nineteen fifty five or so,
Speaker 2: this story disappears. This story disappears. And it's at the
Speaker 2: same time between fifty three and fifty five where these
Speaker 2: chairmen of these aeronautical engineering companies are making these statements
Speaker 2: that you have physicists holding conferences about cracking gravity. Right, Okay,
Speaker 2: so the United States cracked gravity circa nineteen fifty five.
Speaker 2: Townsend Brown was also developing, you know this this polarization effect.
Speaker 1: Lewis Witt. Yes.
Speaker 2: And the other company that has some of this tech
Speaker 2: as Northrop, which designed the B two bomber, which some
Speaker 2: people say the B two is a reference to the
Speaker 2: Brown buy Field effect that can basically augment the propulsion
Speaker 2: of an aircraft by lowering the you know, effect of
Speaker 2: gravity on.
Speaker 1: The aircraft ion wind.
Speaker 2: Yes, And so by nineteen fifty five they figured the
Speaker 2: shit out.
Speaker 1: Then it went black.
Speaker 2: Now let me ask you something. If we're looking at
Speaker 2: kevlar Velcrow night vision lasers, transistors and we see them
Speaker 2: in all these areas, Nazi Germany was about a decade
Speaker 2: ahead of us, and we cracked electro gravitics in nineteen
Speaker 2: fifty five. When did they crack it? There are reports
Speaker 2: that Okay, so there was a think tank in Prague
Speaker 2: under the direction of General Hans Kommler. It was a
Speaker 2: Nazi scientific working group, and I think it was based
Speaker 2: in Prague because they were collaborating with the Italians on this.
Speaker 2: The Italians were junior partner, and they wanted a country
Speaker 2: that was sort of nominally not Germany, right basically under
Speaker 2: Nazi control. And there are people who who claimed that
Speaker 2: Auto scores any member Auto scorz Anien. He came to
Speaker 2: the facility in Prague in nineteen forty four, toward the
Speaker 2: war's end, and he saw that the scientists working under
Speaker 2: General Kombler had developed a circular disc shaped airframe that
Speaker 2: was tremendously aerodynamic in its performance, and it had a
Speaker 2: number of interesting features to it. One is it had
Speaker 2: these vents that suction the boundary layer. It's called suctioning
Speaker 2: the boundary layer, where you know, air resistance develops around
Speaker 2: the edges of any airframe, like an airplane or anything
Speaker 2: that has sharp edges to it. And so first of all,
Speaker 2: by making a saucer shaped craft or already reducing air resistance,
Speaker 2: then they had suction vents that would suck in the
Speaker 2: boundary layer and redirect it, redirect that airflow into the
Speaker 2: propulsion system. They also developed the kind of metal that
Speaker 2: was perforated. They called it luft Schwam fly flying foam,
Speaker 2: and it was a special kind of metal that had
Speaker 2: lots of tiny holes in it also allow air to
Speaker 2: pass through it. A very light metal, which further reduced
Speaker 2: air resistance. The same think tank, the commler Stop Kamler
Speaker 2: staff in Prague was working on this nine to twelve
Speaker 2: foot tall acorn shaped or bell shaped reactor. It was
Speaker 2: a naz yes, it was a mercury thorium reactor whose
Speaker 2: purpose was to generate more energy than is put into it.
Speaker 2: It was constantly powered by ac energy with big cables
Speaker 2: and intermittently shocked with direct current, and it would rotate
Speaker 2: counter rotate drums filled with mercury and thorium isotope inside
Speaker 2: of the shell of this device. And what they realized
Speaker 2: in the commler Stop was we could take this thing
Speaker 2: and put it inside the saucer. Originally were powered by
Speaker 2: rotating jets, and so we could take this magnificently aerodynamic
Speaker 2: airframe and take this reactor and put it inside it
Speaker 2: as a power source, and there's your electrogravitic saucer. Invented
Speaker 2: in Nazi Germany nineteen forty four to forty five. We
Speaker 2: cracked the same engineering problems and propulsion issues in nineteen
Speaker 2: fifty five. So what does that tell you about all
Speaker 2: the rest of the stuff that was discovered in Roswell.
Speaker 2: It fits the pattern of the Nazis cracking this a
Speaker 2: decade earlier than we were there scientifically and technologically. And
Speaker 2: by the time we were there in fifty five, this
Speaker 2: deep state run by Nazis already had its hand around
Speaker 2: the balls of the civilian government of the United States
Speaker 2: and had already set up the National Security state to
Speaker 2: sequester this information.
Speaker 1: And this is kind of similar to the idea of
Speaker 1: that Specter organization in the Bond.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Ian Fleming was an intelligence operative at
Speaker 2: a very high level. Yeah, he was involved in surveiling
Speaker 2: Martin Bormont. Ian Fleming was involved in the operation of
Speaker 2: tracking and surveilling Martin Borman, who was Hitler's chief financier.
Speaker 2: He was the moneyman of the Reich. And Bormon died
Speaker 2: three times. There's three different accounts of this guy's death. Death, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean twice wasn't enough. There's three different accounts of
Speaker 2: this guy's death. Right, we have to be convinced he's dead,
Speaker 2: except that from his from you know, beyond the grave.
Speaker 2: He writes a check in his own name through Chase
Speaker 2: Manhattan Bank in Argentina in nineteen seventy five. So Martin
Speaker 2: Borman is still alive in nineteen seventy five writing checks
Speaker 2: for huge amounts through Chase. By the way, a bank
Speaker 2: whose logo is a swastika. Pull it. Take a good
Speaker 2: look at the Chase logo. Put Chase logo swastika. Take
Speaker 2: a look at that. And who founded who found a Chase?
Speaker 2: JP Morgan. JP Morgan was business partners with the Dulles brothers.
Speaker 1: Holy Ship. It is a freaking swastika.
Speaker 2: Yes, keep going down. There's better depictions.
Speaker 1: Is there was there like an older version of it
Speaker 1: that was more even more similar, because I mean that's
Speaker 1: pretty close.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good question. The Ford Motor Company also
Speaker 2: had a swastika and its logo before it became politically
Speaker 2: incorrect for support of the Nazis. Ford loved the Nazis.
Speaker 1: Ford Ford was building ship for them even after the war.
Speaker 2: Yes, we were. He was building tanks that we were blowing
Speaker 2: up on the battlefield for the Nazis. Ford was a
Speaker 2: virilent anti Semite. He put copies of the protocol so
Speaker 2: the Elders of Zion in the early Ford cars that
Speaker 2: were manufactured. You could like find it in the glove compartment.
Speaker 1: I've been Ford logo swastika. Let's see what that comes
Speaker 1: up with.
Speaker 2: So anyway, uh, the early earliest Ford logo swastika.
Speaker 1: Can you punch in a Ford Motor company? No, that's
Speaker 1: not it.
Speaker 2: No, that's it. No, that is a Ford Motor company.
Speaker 2: Ford Motor Company. That was their logo. Yes, that's their logo.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you the guy. Listen, find us some more
Speaker 2: of it Ford. I've found better ones of it before,
Speaker 2: I've put them in other interviews i've done. If you
Speaker 2: can find the drawing.
Speaker 1: That's that's that's cope. No, that's that's not it. Dude.
Speaker 2: Anyway, look uh, yeah, he was such a rabbit anti Semite.
Speaker 2: You know what the Protocols of the Elders of Zion is.
Speaker 2: It was a document about how Jews have a conspiracy
Speaker 2: to control the.
Speaker 1: Whole world, right right right.
Speaker 2: He took copies of that, mass printed them and will
Speaker 2: put them in the glove compartments of the cars that
Speaker 2: he sold to people, just so you could make sure
Speaker 2: everybody could read it big supporter of Hitler, so okay,
Speaker 2: but this is putting our finger on something important about
Speaker 2: this which I was trying to get out with Chase
Speaker 2: JP Morgan based in New York, was business Partners Morgan Junior, JP,
Speaker 2: Morgan Junior. It was business partners with the Dullest brothers,
Speaker 2: Alan Dalles becomes the head of the CIA, and Rockefeller,
Speaker 2: and these three together, Morgan, the Dullest brothers and Rockefeller
Speaker 2: funded the rise of Nazi Germany from America, okay, and
Speaker 2: they funded Mussolini too, So point being, there was already
Speaker 2: an American power base for the Nazis before the war,
Speaker 2: you see. So they had the connections already to fall
Speaker 2: back on, including people at the level of Rockefeller and Morgan,
Speaker 2: to help them move money. Why is Chase clearing a
Speaker 2: check written by Martin Bormann who died three times? Why
Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy five were they still clearing checks written
Speaker 2: by this guy? Yeah, from Argentina. And who is the
Speaker 2: guy Rudolph Hesse. So in nineteen thirty eight, I think
Speaker 2: it was thirty eight, thirty seven, thirty eight, something like that,
Speaker 2: the Germans engage in this massive expedition to Antarctica. It's
Speaker 2: been debated why did they go down there? What were
Speaker 2: they really, you know, going down there for? I mean,
Speaker 2: the simplest explanation is they had a world class navy
Speaker 2: and they wanted to build a naval base in Antarctica.
Speaker 2: But they brought a bunch of scientists with them and
Speaker 2: did excavations. Actually, one of the craziest things that they
Speaker 2: did is they flew over the ice sheet going up
Speaker 2: the you know, trans Antarctic mountains are huge, they're like
Speaker 2: the Himalayas. They flew along the side of these mountains
Speaker 2: and they dropped swastika flags from out of airplanes to
Speaker 2: claim the territory. So today in Antarctica, if you go
Speaker 2: to the trans Antarctic Mountains, there are a frozen swastika
Speaker 2: flags all along the mountain side claiming the territory for
Speaker 2: Nazi Germany. Anyway, Rudolph Hess was sent down there Antarctic
Speaker 2: Deutsch Antarctic Expedition.
Speaker 1: He was doing what was what was his title?
Speaker 2: Good question, I mean he was a military man, high
Speaker 2: level of military man, but good question, what was he doing?
Speaker 2: Because here's what happens comes back from Antarctica. This Hess
Speaker 2: right takes an unauthorized flight from Germany into Britain while
Speaker 2: the British were at war with the Germans already, So
Speaker 2: they're already like, I don't know if the Blitz had
Speaker 2: started yet, the bombing of London, the media, but they
Speaker 2: were already war with the British right. So Hesse gets
Speaker 2: in a plane, flies by himself to Britain, lands in
Speaker 2: the field and he's arrested and he says, take me
Speaker 2: to Winston Churchill. Take me to Winston Churchill. Two years
Speaker 2: earlier he was in Antarctica. Churchill refuses to see hess
Speaker 2: and then they come back to Hessay Churchill won't see you.
Speaker 2: He's like, well, I'm here to engage with like thirty
Speaker 2: members of your parliament who are interested in resolving our differences. Now,
Speaker 2: what historians won't tell you is that, you know, Hitler
Speaker 2: made like three or four peace offerings to the British
Speaker 2: before he declared war on them. Not just peace offerings.
Speaker 2: He made offers to collaborate with the British Royal Navy
Speaker 2: and like become basically military allies. They turned down all
Speaker 2: these offers. So hess says, I'm here to make another
Speaker 2: offer to your You know people in the House of Lords,
Speaker 2: so he had the numbers already, right, there was a
Speaker 2: list of British politicians who this guy knew would be sympathetic.
Speaker 2: So when Churchill turns them does so what did the
Speaker 2: British do? Churchill doesn't let him talk to these parliamentarians.
Speaker 2: They throw Hesse in prison and he stays there for
Speaker 2: decades and decades, and then after the Berlin Wall comes down,
Speaker 2: you know, once Germany becomes democratic reunification of Germany, he
Speaker 2: was transplanted to a German prison hess and no one
Speaker 2: was allowed to talk to him ever again for the
Speaker 2: rest of his life until he died. Why did he
Speaker 2: go to Britain two years after being in Antarctica? What
Speaker 2: was he going to tell the British about Antarctica? What
Speaker 2: might have been found there? You know?
Speaker 1: What do you think?
Speaker 2: And why did Why wasn't he allowed to talk to
Speaker 2: anybody for the rest of his life? Right, So it's interesting,
Speaker 2: what's your theory? Well, if you believe the empirical case
Speaker 2: that's been made for Atlantis in Antarctica, which Graham Hancock
Speaker 2: made in Your Prince of the Gods, his first book
Speaker 2: working off of the research of Charles Hapgood and Ran
Speaker 2: Flemuth and Colin Wilson also at one point found this
Speaker 2: theory compelling when he wrote one of his books on
Speaker 2: Atlantis that the only land mass that fits Plato's description
Speaker 2: is Antarctica. Plato describes an island the size of Libya
Speaker 2: and Asia combined of Asia and Libya combined in the
Speaker 2: Greek world in that time. In Plato's time, that was
Speaker 2: a description for a territory roughly the size of the
Speaker 2: first Persian Empire. The first Persian Empire is about the
Speaker 2: size of the continental United States. A little larger than that, Well,
Speaker 2: that's the size of Antarctica. Moreover, Plato said that Atlantis
Speaker 2: was in the world ocean. Well, what does that mean?
Speaker 2: The world ocean? He said it was outside the pillars
Speaker 2: of Hercules, which means the Strait of Gibraltar. But he
Speaker 2: didn't say it was in what's now the Atlantic. You know,
Speaker 2: people get this asked backwards. Is named after Atlantis. It's
Speaker 2: named after Atlas, not the other way around. It's not
Speaker 2: like Atlantis had to be in the Atlantic because it's
Speaker 2: the Atlantic. So people named in other words, the Atlantic
Speaker 2: the Atlantic because they imagined Atlantis had been there. Okay, okay,
Speaker 2: named after the titan Atlas. Right, So but all what
Speaker 2: Plato says is is outside the pillars of Hercules, outside
Speaker 2: the Strait of Gibraltar, in the world ocean. Well, what's
Speaker 2: the world ocean? There is one. There's a world ocean.
Speaker 2: It's where the Atlantic, the Pacific, and the Indian Ocean
Speaker 2: all meet in a single body of water in the
Speaker 2: shoreline of Antarctica. How did they get into a war
Speaker 2: with Athens? All the way down there they had conquered
Speaker 2: and were controlling the entire planet. So the Greeks think
Speaker 2: they're all so important, like Atlantis came here and fucked
Speaker 2: with us. Now Atlantis fucked with everybody. Okay. It was
Speaker 2: a global civilization. It's a civilization that used those one thousand,
Speaker 2: three hundred ton stones at Balbeck, global technical civilization. So,
Speaker 2: first of all, the only land mass that fits the
Speaker 2: size is Antarctica. Second, it's in the right place, it's
Speaker 2: in the world ocean. Third, Plato said that when you
Speaker 2: go to Atlantis, you can come from one side of
Speaker 2: the world, like South Africa, and crossover Atlantis and you're
Speaker 2: on the other side of the world. Where else fits
Speaker 2: that bill than Antarctica? Where you go across Antarctica and
Speaker 2: you can go from South Africa to South America. Yeah. Okay. Moreover,
Speaker 2: if you look at the research of Charles Hapgood, who
Speaker 2: actually he was a historian, but he started to develop
Speaker 2: interesting geophysical theories and he worked on contract for the
Speaker 2: CIA for a while. He was a history professor, but
Speaker 2: he had classified clearances and he worked with the CIA,
Speaker 2: and he developed this theory of earth crystal slippage that
Speaker 2: when you look at the flash frozen nanoths in Siberia
Speaker 2: who are frozen with the food undigested in their stomachs, yes,
Speaker 2: and certain other things, it looks like the crust of
Speaker 2: the earth slipped by several thousand miles suddenly. And this
Speaker 2: is why we have stories from various tribes who say
Speaker 2: that the stars fell.
Speaker 1: Look, the idea of this is called what is it,
Speaker 1: It's called like a geomagnetic pole flip or something like that.
Speaker 2: Earth crustal slippage is this technical term for this particular theory,
Speaker 2: earth crustal slippage. Charles hapcut And if that theory is correct,
Speaker 2: and that's how the mammoths were flashed frozen in Siberia
Speaker 2: and the food that we found undigested, frozen in their
Speaker 2: stomachs is food of a temperate climate. Okay, so it
Speaker 2: means that Siberia used to have a temperate climate. It
Speaker 2: was suddenly pulled toward the polar region, the north polar region.
Speaker 1: Where the Earth's outer shell can move as a hole
Speaker 1: over the mantle like the skin of an orange.
Speaker 2: It happens because the It happens because during ice ages,
Speaker 2: the Earth gets top heavy from all the ice that's
Speaker 2: weighed down the crust, and so it causes its slip
Speaker 2: at a certain point. And the fact that the food
Speaker 2: in the mammoth stomachs is food from a temperate climate
Speaker 2: means that Siberia was suddenly pulled into the northern polar region.
Speaker 2: If you look at hold on, if you look at
Speaker 2: Antarctica right, and you look at how Siberia slipped, it
Speaker 2: means as Siberia slipped suddenly into the northern Polar region,
Speaker 2: Antarctica slipped suddenly by several thousand miles into the southern
Speaker 2: polar region. So about two thirds of Antarctica would have
Speaker 2: been where Argentina is today. Argentina is a great place,
Speaker 2: great agriculture, great wine, great livestock. Right Atlantis would have
Speaker 2: been very habitable if Atlantis were Antarctica before the crystal slippage.
Speaker 1: So what it has also to linger on Atlants for
Speaker 1: a minute. According to this long chain in transmission with
Speaker 1: Solon and all this stuff, Atlantis would have been how
Speaker 1: long ago?
Speaker 2: Again, okay, I mean Plato's dates line up with a
Speaker 2: lot of other evidence that points in about ten five
Speaker 2: BC or twelve thousand years ago.
Speaker 1: Two thousand years a god. And this is also when
Speaker 1: people hypothesize the younger, driest cosmic impact theory would have happened,
Speaker 1: to which a lot of people think that the mammoth
Speaker 1: being frozen was from a cosmic impact that basically blocked
Speaker 1: out the sky.
Speaker 2: And cots an alternative hypothesis in any case. In any case,
Speaker 2: Antarctica fits Plato's description of Atlantis best. And so if
Speaker 2: you were to ask me what it has on the
Speaker 2: Nazis in general find in Antarctica. They found Atlantis, and
Speaker 2: they were obsessed with Atlantis. The entire Nazi elite, which
Speaker 2: came from out of the occult real society, and the
Speaker 2: Sula gazelle shaft Thula is a German equivalent of Atlantis
Speaker 2: Olti Mathula. It's a land mass at the north of
Speaker 2: the world, A vast land mass of the north of
Speaker 2: the world. Now we don't have any land mass to
Speaker 2: the north of the world, but what is the north
Speaker 2: of the world. The magnetic poles shift like every I forget,
Speaker 2: what is twenty three thousand years or something like that.
Speaker 1: No, it's slipping, like literally, what is it? We talked
Speaker 1: about it on that Jimmy CORSETI pops.
Speaker 2: It's migrating right now.
Speaker 1: It's like miles pera, which.
Speaker 2: Means a reversal is about to happen again. Okay, So
Speaker 2: when the Germanic people preserved this ancient myth that there
Speaker 2: was this Olti Mathula, a huge continent at the north
Speaker 2: of the world, it's probably dating from a time when
Speaker 2: the poles were reversed. Antarctica was the northern polar you
Speaker 2: know region, and vice versa magnetically magnetically, so the Nazis
Speaker 2: were obsessed with finding Thula or Atlantis. Yeah, and they
Speaker 2: may have hit Jackpot Circle nineteen thirty eight.
Speaker 1: But then wouldn't there be some sort of evidence of
Speaker 1: it if the Nazis were there back then, Like wouldn't
Speaker 1: some of the stuff there is? Will they find pyramids?
Speaker 1: What do they find there, Well, there's.
Speaker 2: Evidence the Nazis were there. I mean, look up Operation
Speaker 2: High Jump nineteen forty six. Admiral Byrd went down there
Speaker 2: with a whole fleet and they were they were supposed
Speaker 2: to be on an expedition that lasted months, and they
Speaker 2: ran into something that devastated the fleet and they retreated
Speaker 2: very quickly. And on his way back to you know,
Speaker 2: the United States, they stopped some port in Chile, I think,
Speaker 2: and Bird made this bizarre statement about how we have
Speaker 2: to prepare in the next World War to encounter aircraft
Speaker 2: that can cross from pole to pole with amazing speed.
Speaker 2: And so it looks like they went down there maybe
Speaker 2: because they knew the Nazis were down there, or tried
Speaker 2: to clear them out or something, and they had the
Speaker 2: shit beaten out of them forty six.
Speaker 1: What do you make of the argument that Plato was
Speaker 1: full of shit? And he wasn't the historian. He was
Speaker 1: just making up hypothetical allegories like the allegory of the cave,
Speaker 1: Like what was Atlantis? Just another philosophical allegory like the cave.
Speaker 2: Okay, let me answer in two ways. Okay, my first
Speaker 2: answer is that it could be the Plato never existed.
Speaker 2: It can completely disregard Plato. The evidence for Atlantis is overwhelming.
Speaker 2: Don't call it Atlantis. By the way, I'm pretty sure
Speaker 2: the Atlanteans didn't call it Atlantis. They probably had some
Speaker 2: other name for it, right.
Speaker 1: So other than Plato, what is the most compelling evidence?
Speaker 2: There's so much compelling evidence. I mean, first of all,
Speaker 2: the megalithic structures that have inexplicable engineering skill behind them
Speaker 2: in Egypt, on every continent everywhere. Look at Tiwanaku in Bolivia,
Speaker 2: the Aku, the Calisasia at Tiwanaku in Bolivia, the some
Speaker 2: of the older sites in Mexico, in the Yucatan. All
Speaker 2: of these sites exhibit the same enigmatic sakse Waman is
Speaker 2: another one, Oleon Tatambo. The walls at sase Waman and
Speaker 2: ole on to Tombo are made of insanely gigantic megalithic
Speaker 2: blocks which intersect with the blocks next to them, sometimes
Speaker 2: at twelve different points of intersection. Yeah, which means that
Speaker 2: either they had a way to liquefy stone and mold
Speaker 2: it as they were putting stones together, or something even
Speaker 2: more mind boggling. The stones were all pre cut like
Speaker 2: jigsaw puzzle pieces. And then put in exactly the right place. Well,
Speaker 2: either of those are insane from an engineering perspective. I
Speaker 2: mean even we won't do that. We won't. Maybe we
Speaker 2: can just barely now, but no one in our world
Speaker 2: would ever think to try to do something like that.
Speaker 2: And by the way, that type of building, it turns
Speaker 2: out it's extremely earthquake resistant.
Speaker 1: Yes, it is, because.
Speaker 2: It wobbles and then locks back into place. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Also the land, the ground that it was built on,
Speaker 1: something about it, the way they built the foundations of it.
Speaker 1: The stone is like super flexible and malleable.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And some of these blocks, like the ones at
Speaker 2: Baalbec two hundred ton stones nineteen cranes can't lift those things?
Speaker 2: Nineteen industrial click? Who did that? All right? So look,
Speaker 2: I mean it's written in stone.
Speaker 1: What do you want to call it? Atlantis?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: I agree? I agree, that's evidence of a super advanced
Speaker 1: civilization that was here before we have any kind of
Speaker 1: explanation for it.
Speaker 2: By the way, other cultures have other names for it.
Speaker 2: Not all cultures call it atlantis. You find this in
Speaker 2: almost every civilization in the world, that there's a myth
Speaker 2: about a supercivilization that existed in antiquity, and that the
Speaker 2: people who lived there were demigods, that they were godlike
Speaker 2: people who then disseminated knowledge to other primitive cultures in
Speaker 2: the world. You find it this basic myth in the Mayans,
Speaker 2: you find it in the Egyptians, you find it in
Speaker 2: the Middle East. In Iranian civilization, which is something I'm
Speaker 2: very familiar with. I wrote a whole tome on the
Speaker 2: history of Iran. In ancient Iranian culture, they called this
Speaker 2: place ariyanam Vaja, which means the seed cradle of the Aryans,
Speaker 2: meaning where the Aryan race came from. That's what they say,
Speaker 2: and they say it was a place. This is a
Speaker 2: very interesting detail. So you have all these flood myths
Speaker 2: around the world, and the flood myths are connected to
Speaker 2: the myth of the destruction of the supercivilization. In all
Speaker 2: these cultures, including Mayan culture, Egyptian culture, the one exception
Speaker 2: is Iran, where the Iran we talked about this first time,
Speaker 2: first interview. Iran the name means Aran. It's a Middle
Speaker 2: Persian form of the ancient Persian Aryan or Ariyana. The
Speaker 2: Iranian ancient mythology is the only one that says the
Speaker 2: supercivilization wasn't destroyed by a flood. It says our homeland froze.
Speaker 2: Our homeland was an island at the center of the world.
Speaker 2: It was the central continent of the world, which is
Speaker 2: what Antarctica looks like. If you see you make.
Speaker 1: Up during the ice age, it would have been massive.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you make a globe centered on Antarctica. You take
Speaker 2: a globe and you flip it so you're looking right
Speaker 2: in Antarctica. It looks like the continent at the center
Speaker 2: of the world if you live there and you're you know,
Speaker 2: mapping the world from your perspective. So they say it
Speaker 2: was a continent to the center of the world and
Speaker 2: all of a sudden it froze.
Speaker 1: Over See if you can find a graphic depiction of
Speaker 1: what Antarctica would have looked like during the ice age,
Speaker 1: the last ice.
Speaker 2: Age, you're talking about the subglacial topography of Antarctica.
Speaker 1: Yes, that would be the technical way of putting it.
Speaker 2: So, no, that's what you want to look at. Look
Speaker 2: up subglacial topography Antarctica. They have found maps like the
Speaker 2: Orontius Phineas map and the Period map which show Antarctica
Speaker 2: underneath the ice. No one in recorded history ought to
Speaker 2: have been able to map that land mass subglacially. Look
Speaker 2: how big this is. Yeah, well it's larger than the
Speaker 2: continental United States.
Speaker 1: That's insane. Antarctica on the left, that connects down to
Speaker 1: South America.
Speaker 2: Yes, the amount of the closest point to any land
Speaker 2: is in Argentina. You think that's a coincidence. Do you
Speaker 2: think it's a coincidence when the Nazis went to Argentina
Speaker 2: that where they went was San Carlos to Barloche. That's Patagonia.
Speaker 2: It's the southernmost point of Argentina. That's close to Antarctica.
Speaker 2: Very convenient.
Speaker 1: How long you think Hitler lived after the war?
Speaker 2: He lived into the nineteen sixties, the sixties, and he
Speaker 2: died of Parkinson's related You know, people in Argentina describe
Speaker 2: having seen him with very bad parkinsons. He had lost
Speaker 2: the mustache right, and he lived I think a very
Speaker 2: miserable life. Because this is an important little anecdote because
Speaker 2: it says a lot about Specter. Yeah, or as they
Speaker 2: called it themselves, Dishpena. Their name for it was the spider, Dishpena,
Speaker 2: the Spider. The post war Nazi international, largely based in
Speaker 2: the United States and Argentina. So an anecdote about the Hitler.
Speaker 2: The thing is, when you look at Martin Bormont and
Speaker 2: his financial machinations in Latin America in the nineteen from
Speaker 2: the fifties to the seventies, and you look at Otto
Speaker 2: Skorzeny and how he was operating at an international level
Speaker 2: in that same time period, it seems that if you know,
Speaker 2: Hitler survived decades past the end of the war, which
Speaker 2: there's evidence he did, it wasn't doing anything important. I
Speaker 2: think the guy was put out to pasture. I think
Speaker 2: basically they said to him, you know, thank you very much,
Speaker 2: her Hitler, but please paint your sunsets, you know, go back,
Speaker 2: you want it to be a painter, right, enjoy painting
Speaker 2: your sun sets. We've got everything under control, sir, Yes,
Speaker 2: we've got everything under control. And eventually Eva Bron even
Speaker 2: left him, you know. And so I think the guy
Speaker 2: lived a pretty desperate and miserable life, having been given
Speaker 2: the cold shoulder by the people who were actually in
Speaker 2: charge of what they were conceiving of as a coming forthrike.
Speaker 2: People like Borman, Skorzeny, younger, more shrewd, competent people and
Speaker 2: people with a more dynamic vision. Right, give you an
Speaker 2: example which really is a mind fuck. There's a lot
Speaker 2: of evidence that Skorzeny played a huge role after the
Speaker 2: end of the war in tactical operations for these people.
Speaker 2: Remember Scorzeni was the guy who thought of using saucers
Speaker 2: in the fifties as a part of a sciop against America. Right,
Speaker 2: same Otto Skorzeny, fencing scar guy died nineteen seventy five.
Speaker 2: Shortly before he died in the early seventies, he worked
Speaker 2: with Mossad. It's been proven he had a very good
Speaker 2: relationship with the State of Israel. Otto Skorzeny. So how
Speaker 2: is it that Israel is sending Mosad and military intelligence
Speaker 2: operatives to retrieve Adolf Eischmann from South America to then
Speaker 2: stand trial in Jerusalem, Right, but they're working with Skorzeny
Speaker 2: in the early seventies. What did Aikman do to get
Speaker 2: on the shit list?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's a It is such a mind fuck.
Speaker 1: The history of this stuff and how useful certain people were,
Speaker 1: like Skorzeny to other Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think I think Aikmann was prosecuted because he ceased
Speaker 2: to be useful. Right, He probably pissed off the wrong guy. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: and they said, okay, give him to the Israelies.
Speaker 1: And what do you make of this recent stuff that
Speaker 1: like Greer is talking about, with this psychic psionic stranger
Speaker 1: things type stuff where they're kidnapping people that are like
Speaker 1: left handed young from other countries, bringing them here to
Speaker 1: and giving them drugs, he said, dopaminergic drugs to summon
Speaker 1: these things and crash them. So if they're trying to
Speaker 1: hot so, first of all, what if these things are
Speaker 1: so advanced, how the fuck are they crashing them with
Speaker 1: psychic abilities? And second of all, who are these people
Speaker 1: doing conducting these operations in your mind?
Speaker 2: Okay, that's a that's a complex question, right, in multi
Speaker 2: part question. First of all, how are they crashing these
Speaker 2: things with psychic abilities? Will consider this, If the pilot
Speaker 2: is part of the guidance system of a UFO, and
Speaker 2: the pilot is integrated into the airframe psychokinetically, if you
Speaker 2: fuck with the pilot's mind, you're going to crash the airframe.
Speaker 1: Right Okay?
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, So you had a powerful enough psychic get
Speaker 2: into the head of a UFO pilot, you can bring
Speaker 2: a saucer down.
Speaker 1: And who is the pilot in your mind.
Speaker 2: One of these Nordics, you know in some cases with
Speaker 2: a bunch of these gray robots on board who handle
Speaker 2: the abductees that Nordics don't like to handle the abductees,
Speaker 2: because you see this in the Travis Walton case, Travis
Speaker 2: Walten case. They sent the robots to deal with him.
Speaker 2: Then he beat up the robots, big strapping guy that
Speaker 2: he was, beat up the robots right, and he went
Speaker 2: out into the hallway, and then the Nordics were like, man,
Speaker 2: we got to deal with this guy. We got a deal.
Speaker 2: Really seriously, we have to deal with this guy now.
Speaker 2: So it's like they us and then Whitley Streeber, So
Speaker 2: Whitley Streeber. Look, he's very clear that the people, the
Speaker 2: people who put the implant in were people European looking people.
Speaker 2: Guy and a guy, two guys and a woman who
Speaker 2: came into his house. One stayed outside or something, and
Speaker 2: two of them came in and they did this thing,
Speaker 2: put damn plant in his ear. People. Yeah, there's a Nordics.
Speaker 2: They used the grays to handle terrified abductees because who
Speaker 2: wants to do that job?
Speaker 1: What is the connection? Tweet and you you're the one
Speaker 1: who told me about this. By the way, before I
Speaker 1: conducted that Whilly Streeper podcast, you gave me a whole
Speaker 1: history of Whitley stream streamer over like two hours on
Speaker 1: the phone, which was fascinating. And I don't know anybody
Speaker 1: who has been gone so deep on the history of.
Speaker 2: I read his work like twenty years ago or something
Speaker 2: like that. It's been a very long but I you know,
Speaker 2: when I read it, I really read it like I
Speaker 2: read most things.
Speaker 1: And when I brought up you you mentioned to me,
Speaker 1: told me to bring up with Whitley about his history
Speaker 1: in Mexico, what he was, what was going on with
Speaker 1: him in Mexico. And I when I asked him that
Speaker 1: on the podcast, he said, he like straightened up and
Speaker 1: he's like, I don't want to.
Speaker 2: Talk about that. Well, yeah, because I mean it was
Speaker 2: horrific child abuse managed by Nazis in Mexico. They had
Speaker 2: a huge presence in Mexico. Remember what I was saying earlier, Yeah,
Speaker 2: is that paper clip rocket scientists would come to the
Speaker 2: border towns between Texas and Mexico and do data drops,
Speaker 2: handing classified information to their not to their fellow not
Speaker 2: yep who operated more freely in Mexico and throughout Latin America.
Speaker 1: So this was some sort of program to induce trauma
Speaker 1: in kids.
Speaker 2: Pre mk Ultra, pre mk Ultra. So mk Ultra was
Speaker 2: like the Light, the bud light version. They had shit
Speaker 2: before Mkultra that was even worse. Bluebird and other things
Speaker 2: before that that are basically extensions of the experiments on
Speaker 2: children that were done in concentration camps. That's what it is.
Speaker 2: And how did that?
Speaker 1: What did that psychological traumatic experience that he went through
Speaker 1: in Mexico? What was it specifically? What were they doing
Speaker 1: to him?
Speaker 2: Okay, now I heard this very clearly. He you know,
Speaker 2: he has this Dreamland radio program. Yeahne Streamer, what's been
Speaker 2: going on for I don't know, twenty five years or
Speaker 2: something like that. I heard him describe this in detail.
Speaker 2: So I don't know whether he wants to now not
Speaker 2: talk about it or say something that you know, it
Speaker 2: was another way. But I remember very clearly what he described.
Speaker 2: And he did this in more than one conversation. Once
Speaker 2: might have been a monologue, and once was in an
Speaker 2: interview with somebody, and he basically said they were taken
Speaker 2: to a mansion in Mexico that was run by the
Speaker 2: same people as this Nazi doctor in Texas associated with
Speaker 2: Randolph Fair Force Base. And he said they were put
Speaker 2: in this. Children were put in situations where they were
Speaker 2: shown mutilated bodies and horrific sounds were played to them
Speaker 2: in the dark, and they were made to believe that
Speaker 2: they had killed these people. Okay, put in cages, shown
Speaker 2: mutilated body parts exposed to chainsaws. Made the whole chaine
Speaker 2: like just horrific shit. That's basically meant to produce extreme
Speaker 2: dissociation and a fragmentation of the psychy.
Speaker 1: Okay, and how did this How does this connect to
Speaker 1: all his experiences with like having sex with aliens.
Speaker 2: Dissociation combined with absorption. Okay, these are two. Some will
Speaker 2: counterintuitively connect that psychological processes. One dissociation because you don't
Speaker 2: want to deal with the traumatic situation, and second absorption
Speaker 2: extreme attention. And you would think like these are opposite things,
Speaker 2: But there's a way to induce dissociation more or less
Speaker 2: simultaneously with absorption, and the state of mind that that
Speaker 2: produces is extremely syic conducive. Wow, So you you might
Speaker 2: perceive things that other people don't perceive, and you might
Speaker 2: be able to unconsciously exercise abilities that other people that
Speaker 2: are they're only latent in most people. Okay, So that's
Speaker 2: what it is. It's a it's a catalyzing of dissociation
Speaker 2: and absorption.
Speaker 1: For these beings, these beings that he was experiencing were real.
Speaker 2: Here's one of my problems with in Whitney's account, okay,
Speaker 2: is that he says that while one of these Grays
Speaker 2: was on top of him, and I believe this was
Speaker 2: in his cabin he says, this grays on top of him.
Speaker 2: I won't get into the details. He said he in
Speaker 2: the moments where he could even focus on anything but her,
Speaker 2: he sees that there's all these people standing around in
Speaker 2: the cabin room, and one of them is a CIA
Speaker 2: officer who he knew and recognized. Okay, I mean, does
Speaker 2: that mean that there's some agreement between some of the
Speaker 2: Grays and the CIA maybe, or does it mean that
Speaker 2: he was given drugs and there was some elaborately staged
Speaker 2: scenario where he was made to believe that it was
Speaker 2: an encounter. Take your pick. In any case, it doesn't
Speaker 2: look good. Don't look good.
Speaker 1: No, it does not look good. Crazy shit. Jason georgeh
Speaker 1: Onny thanks again for coming man. That was a wild
Speaker 1: follow up to our first podcast. I didn't think you
Speaker 1: get any crazy.
Speaker 2: It was indeed, Danny, it was.
Speaker 1: Tell people about your new book, where they can find it,
Speaker 1: where they can get in touch with you, all that
Speaker 1: good stuff.
Speaker 2: Good. So the cover of my new book is still
Speaker 2: up there, well, at least part of the cover. It's
Speaker 2: called meta Palamos Meta palamos, you could. It's uber komf
Speaker 2: in German, sort of super war, and it refers to
Speaker 2: a metaphysical ontological idea destructive departure and worldview warfare, which
Speaker 2: is kind of my reverse engineering of the basic concept
Speaker 2: behind the breakaway civilization, My reverse engineering the concept that
Speaker 2: motivates their activities, and it's a huge breakthrough in understanding
Speaker 2: the nature of psychological warfare. So but it's it's basically
Speaker 2: as I said at the outset, No no No, that's
Speaker 2: philosophy of the future. And the reason that there's a
Speaker 2: similarity in cover is that I intend meta pallemo No no no.
Speaker 2: Satanian is my last book, which one is this. I
Speaker 2: write it at a rather rapid pace. So Satanian came
Speaker 2: out in November. We're recording now in February. In February. February, Yeah,
Speaker 2: in the February and of February. Uh So, my latest book,
Speaker 2: the one that you have the cover up there on,
Speaker 2: part of the cover, is going to be out within
Speaker 2: let's say, two three weeks. And the reason that the yeah,
Speaker 2: if you can put the whole cover up there would
Speaker 2: be good.
Speaker 1: I emailed it to you, Steve.
Speaker 2: Anyway, the reason the cover has a similarity to the
Speaker 2: graphics for Philosophy of the Future is that it's meant
Speaker 2: to be a kind of companion volume to this. In
Speaker 2: Philosophy of the Future, I present an overview of my
Speaker 2: entire philosophical project in terms of my original concepts, and
Speaker 2: in Metapalemos I give an executive summary of my whole project,
Speaker 2: but in terms of the different domains of philosophy. So
Speaker 2: my thoughts, yeah, there it is my thoughts in the
Speaker 2: domain of ontology, my epistemology, my view on ethics, esthetics,
Speaker 2: and political philosophy. So it's divided up into those domains
Speaker 2: and gives you either an introductory overview or a kind
Speaker 2: of executive summary of my philosophical project. The last thing
Speaker 2: I want to say about this book is that I've
Speaker 2: included in this book, which is now I think my
Speaker 2: fourteenth book, Journals, which I wrote twenty years ago. So
Speaker 2: back when I was you know, reading Whitley Streeber twenty
Speaker 2: five years ago whatever, twenty.
Speaker 1: Now with Jack Sarfadi. I saw a photo.
Speaker 2: Yeah that was when exactly, that's when I met Jack
Speaker 2: check out. Yeah, that's right. So back in those days,
Speaker 2: for about three years, I kept the journal. It was
Speaker 2: a black notebook, and it's really the matrix of my
Speaker 2: philosophical thought. It's the it's the you know, the substrate
Speaker 2: from out of which my idea ism or the genesis
Speaker 2: of my career as a philosopher is in those notebooks.
Speaker 2: And I've included a pretty large selection of the entries
Speaker 2: from in there, which is a very dangerous and revealing
Speaker 2: thing to do, and it'll give people a lot of
Speaker 2: insight into what motivated my philosophical project.
Speaker 1: Gorgeous, what's up with Saturn on top of the devil Horns?
Speaker 2: That's a UFO, but it's interesting. But it's interesting that
Speaker 2: it read as Saturn. Well, that's interesting because Saturn is Kronos,
Speaker 2: and the Nazis called the Bell Project Project Chronos are
Speaker 2: project time.
Speaker 1: Wow, the Saturn Project we got to go do another
Speaker 1: podcast at dinner. I got a lot of more QUI,
Speaker 1: I got way more questions, but let's do it. You
Speaker 1: gotta get going, all right, Thanks again man, I'll like
Speaker 1: everything below.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Danny. It's been a pleasure again.
Speaker 1: All right, good night World,
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