From Behind the Curtain: Captain Ron and the UFO Revolution

0:05 Speaker 1: Glad labit on all the many.

0:13 Speaker 2: I occasionally think how quickly our difference is worldwide would

0:17 Speaker 2: vanish if we were facing an alien threat from outside

0:21 Speaker 2: this work. And yet I ask you, it's not an

0:23 Speaker 2: alien force already among us.

0:24 Speaker 3: We must guard against the acquisition of unwanted influence, whether

0:28 Speaker 3: sought or unsought by the military industrial combat. The potential

0:32 Speaker 3: or the disastrous rise or misplaced power exists and will persist.

0:57 Speaker 1: Now I am become back.

0:58 Speaker 2: Drier World association with Project Group. They definitely withheld information.

1:10 Speaker 1: I have a look on I'm going against mishall be twere.

1:16 Speaker 4: We're a firm test when you're about to gain the truth,

1:19 Speaker 4: the whole truth and the truth.

1:20 Speaker 1: So help you guy. Do you believe that our government

1:22 Speaker 1: is in possessions?

1:23 Speaker 3: Are new agents?

1:24 Speaker 1: Absolutely?

1:32 Speaker 4: All right, everybody, welcome back to Total Disclosure. I am

1:35 Speaker 4: your host, ty, and I know the part of my appearance.

1:40 Speaker 4: We're just moving into the new house. As I said

1:42 Speaker 4: in the update for the podcast, uh, the next couple

1:45 Speaker 4: episodes are going to be probably audio only, and then

1:49 Speaker 4: the video will go out to members and clipped on

1:52 Speaker 4: YouTube tonight. I'm super excited. I've been waiting for this

1:57 Speaker 4: episode for definitely over a month month now. I was

2:01 Speaker 4: invited after applying to go to Contact in the Desert,

2:05 Speaker 4: world's largest UFO conference. Over sixty amazing speakers, the top personalities,

2:11 Speaker 4: the top researchers, the top scientists, the top of everybody

2:15 Speaker 4: in their field goes to this conference, does intensive workshops, lectures,

2:21 Speaker 4: so much more. I can't wait to do like a

2:23 Speaker 4: SkyWatch with Chris Bledsoe in person and tonight we have

2:27 Speaker 4: the creator of all of it. And going back to

2:31 Speaker 4: what it was held at Joshua Tree outside it is

2:36 Speaker 4: Captain Ron, Captain Ron, how are you doing? Man? It's

2:40 Speaker 4: so good to be here with you.

2:42 Speaker 1: Amen. I appreciate that. Listen, I'm not the creator of

2:44 Speaker 1: this at all. This was created by two other people,

2:48 Speaker 1: ye twelve years ago. So we just took over. This

2:50 Speaker 1: is our third year. Yes, yes, over, just so you know,

2:54 Speaker 1: we just it you know.

2:56 Speaker 4: So what it meant is, you know, because so obviously

2:59 Speaker 4: they were the first to guys. You took it over.

3:01 Speaker 4: You kind of made it into what it is now,

3:04 Speaker 4: which is the world's you know, largest it's it's it's

3:08 Speaker 4: become something I think a little bit more, and I

3:12 Speaker 4: really like how it's evolved throughout the years from something

3:16 Speaker 4: that was you know kind of put together hold outside

3:22 Speaker 4: you know, near Joshua Tree, and to see how far

3:24 Speaker 4: it's come in, to see how influential it's become upon

3:29 Speaker 4: this you know community itself, it's just truly amazing. So

3:32 Speaker 4: when I say creator, maybe I should meet the upkeeper

3:36 Speaker 4: or the the the cheaper contact of the desert.

3:40 Speaker 1: Yeah, we look at ourselves as stewards of this event,

3:42 Speaker 1: you know, the great job creating this and building this

3:46 Speaker 1: and again we've taken it over now this will be

3:49 Speaker 1: our third year doing it ourselves, and we're really excited

3:52 Speaker 1: about it. Yeah. We we just want to make it

3:54 Speaker 1: bigger and better. And you know it's it's very mission

3:58 Speaker 1: driven for us. All of us involved this are very

4:01 Speaker 1: into this topic. We we genuinely care about these issues.

4:06 Speaker 1: We really want to uh make this the best it

4:09 Speaker 1: can be. It's not a money driven thing at all.

4:13 Speaker 1: In fact, we're a nonprofit, you know, we do that.

4:15 Speaker 1: We put all the money right back into the event.

4:17 Speaker 1: This is about, you know, a passion that all of

4:19 Speaker 1: us kind of share that are on this team.

4:22 Speaker 4: So for those who have you know, never been and

4:25 Speaker 4: that that doesn't technically include myself. What makes contact in

4:29 Speaker 4: the Desert different from you know, say every or you

4:33 Speaker 4: know other other cons UFO or paranormal events in the world.

4:38 Speaker 1: Are a lot of these events around the country, and

4:41 Speaker 1: and you know, they all sort of have their own

4:42 Speaker 1: little lane. That's the way I look at it, you know,

4:46 Speaker 1: contact in the Desert. We we it's always been this way,

4:49 Speaker 1: but we've moved it even more in this direction that

4:52 Speaker 1: we try to take a serious look at this. We

4:54 Speaker 1: look at this as an academic scientific conference. We take

4:58 Speaker 1: the time to excuse me, and we take the subject

5:01 Speaker 1: very seriously. Not that this is not the most fun

5:05 Speaker 1: you've ever had. I can't wait for you to see this,

5:08 Speaker 1: but it's a serious topic that we believe in, and

5:12 Speaker 1: we take a serious herd approach to it and see,

5:15 Speaker 1: you know, we want to find out what the truth is,

5:17 Speaker 1: and we kind of let things unfold on their own.

5:20 Speaker 1: When speakers ask what should I talk about, we always say,

5:24 Speaker 1: what's the latest, greatest thing you're working on, what's the

5:27 Speaker 1: newest information you have. It's that sort of a thing.

5:30 Speaker 1: We kind of want it to be a little bit organic,

5:32 Speaker 1: if you will. We kind of steer the ship a

5:34 Speaker 1: little bit. We kind of have a theme each year.

5:37 Speaker 1: You know, you last year was artificial intelligence, and the

5:42 Speaker 1: year before was artificial intelligence. Last year was conscious connection. Yes,

5:47 Speaker 1: that's consciousness, and then this year it's Event Horizon. We're

5:52 Speaker 1: talking more about you know, being on the cusp of

5:54 Speaker 1: things and telepathy tapes is the hottest thing in the

5:58 Speaker 1: world right now, and so we're really exploring the psionics

6:02 Speaker 1: element that's part of this community. So we try to

6:06 Speaker 1: touch on all of these things every year, but there's

6:09 Speaker 1: usually like a theme or a focus each year to

6:11 Speaker 1: kind of.

6:12 Speaker 4: And I actually really like that too, because you know,

6:15 Speaker 4: you're kind of it's it's it's weird because you know,

6:19 Speaker 4: like you said, consciousness and maybe consciousness awareness has been

6:24 Speaker 4: a huge thing lately in the community, so last year

6:29 Speaker 4: you guys capitalized on that. So it's almost you know,

6:31 Speaker 4: taking the big theme of the year and you know,

6:36 Speaker 4: amplifying it a little bit.

6:37 Speaker 1: Event And I think that you've probably noticed how the

6:42 Speaker 1: thinking in this community has evolved over the years. You know,

6:45 Speaker 1: it went from strictly nuts and bolts, and then it

6:49 Speaker 1: kind of evolved into possibly interdimensional Yes, now it's artificial

6:54 Speaker 1: intelligence came into play, and then now it's really consciousness

6:57 Speaker 1: is a big part of this phenomenon on one way

7:00 Speaker 1: or another.

7:01 Speaker 4: I mean, you know, just and not to get debunt

7:05 Speaker 4: you so quick, but the fact that we you know,

7:08 Speaker 4: the fact that we're made of you know, atoms, the

7:10 Speaker 4: same atoms that bowling balls are made of, and we're

7:13 Speaker 4: conscious and able to have this conversation here. I mean,

7:18 Speaker 4: it's a stroke of pure genius. And it's something that

7:23 Speaker 4: I think, you know, people like Chris Bledsoe I've had

7:25 Speaker 4: on the show. You You really look at guys like

7:28 Speaker 4: that and you go, dude, consciousness seems to be the key.

7:32 Speaker 4: It seems to be the key to unlocking something. It does.

7:36 Speaker 1: It seems to be fundamental. Even when you talk to

7:39 Speaker 1: these hardcore science physicists, they will tell you that consciousness

7:44 Speaker 1: is behind everything. Plank, the famous physicists, said that consciousness

7:49 Speaker 1: is fundamental, that you cannot get behind consciousness. So clearly

7:54 Speaker 1: that's an important element to this whole thing.

7:57 Speaker 4: Yeah, and then and and not and then there. You know,

8:00 Speaker 4: there's just so many stemming, kind of stemming topics that

8:05 Speaker 4: kind of come off of that, or theories that come

8:07 Speaker 4: off of that. You know, the number of consciousness conscious

8:11 Speaker 4: minds in the world or the universe is one, right,

8:14 Speaker 4: so is it the oneness? And we're all just probes

8:16 Speaker 4: experiencing life and then taking it back to the source.

8:19 Speaker 4: And it's there's so much fun that you can have

8:22 Speaker 4: and I don't want to get bogged down in it

8:24 Speaker 4: too deep.

8:25 Speaker 1: Brother, You're making a really good point there, because one

8:26 Speaker 1: of the the the long ongoing conversations people have had

8:32 Speaker 1: is very similar to what you were saying. There's been

8:34 Speaker 1: this debate for years and years and years about the brain.

8:38 Speaker 1: Does the brain house conscious consciousness or is the brain

8:42 Speaker 1: a receiver that taps into consciousness that just exists in

8:47 Speaker 1: another plane, another realm, a nakashak record if you will,

8:51 Speaker 1: however you want to call it. We don't have the

8:53 Speaker 1: terms for this because we don't know. But that's been

8:55 Speaker 1: an ongoing debate for years in science. So you know,

8:58 Speaker 1: it's fun to examine the things and try to get.

9:01 Speaker 4: Closer and that's what drives you know. We talked backstage

9:05 Speaker 4: about about being an experiencer versus just being interested in

9:10 Speaker 4: the topic. And the thing I always say to people,

9:13 Speaker 4: because I feel like some people, you know, in this time,

9:15 Speaker 4: if you haven't out a UFO experience or something paranormal,

9:19 Speaker 4: like they feel like they're not as involved, and I

9:22 Speaker 4: don't think that's the case, because if you're conscious, you

9:25 Speaker 4: have skin in the game. Right. This affects every single

9:29 Speaker 4: being on this planet to to some multitude that would

9:35 Speaker 4: impact your daily life on tremendous levels. So I think

9:40 Speaker 4: to just be conscious is to be an experiencer.

9:43 Speaker 1: And then there's percent I mean there's a different level

9:46 Speaker 1: experience or many of these people are not experiencers. This

9:49 Speaker 1: is about what's going on in our world. It's just

9:52 Speaker 1: way more exciting to me. I don't know why this

9:54 Speaker 1: isn't on the evening news every night. I always say

9:56 Speaker 1: that it's like, this is what's interesting. You know this

9:59 Speaker 1: work that Dianne Powell's doing, the telepathy tapes that we

10:02 Speaker 1: were talking about. We are talking about working with autistic

10:06 Speaker 1: nonverbal children who she says, as their brain develops zero

10:11 Speaker 1: to two that they're able. They somehow because they're unable

10:16 Speaker 1: to speak, they create a way to speak, and that

10:20 Speaker 1: is to telepathically tell mom, I'm hungry. Now. That is incredible.

10:26 Speaker 1: You don't have to be an experience or to be

10:28 Speaker 1: wondered by this. Telepathy ties into our community because a

10:33 Speaker 1: lot of people who have experienced encounters with beings have

10:38 Speaker 1: expressed that they communicated telepathically with them. So that's how

10:43 Speaker 1: it ties into our conference. But it's a fascinating thing

10:47 Speaker 1: on its own. You don't have to be in any

10:49 Speaker 1: of these things to come to contact. In the desert,

10:51 Speaker 1: we explore a lot of the cutting edge things. You know,

10:54 Speaker 1: we're gonna be talking about the Pyramids. There's a lot

10:56 Speaker 1: of new stuff that just happened at the Pyramids.

10:58 Speaker 4: Oh my god.

10:59 Speaker 1: Yeah, but these tapes, all this stuff is just fascinating.

11:02 Speaker 1: People walk away from this event changed. It's it's it's

11:05 Speaker 1: really that's sort of an experience.

11:07 Speaker 4: It's so funny that you say that. And and that's

11:10 Speaker 4: another thing in this community that I think we get

11:13 Speaker 4: really used to is synchronicity, right, And one of my

11:18 Speaker 4: I have a synchronicity journal because I feel like, so

11:21 Speaker 4: I've been writing, maybe you appreciate this. So I don't

11:24 Speaker 4: mean I do. I don't mean a side step here do.

11:27 Speaker 1: I love synchronicity.

11:28 Speaker 4: Every synchronicity that happens to me, I write it down

11:34 Speaker 4: in my notes on my phone, and then as I'm

11:37 Speaker 4: going back and I'm reading through each synchronicity because I'll

11:41 Speaker 4: sum it up in like, you know what whatever, you know,

11:43 Speaker 4: a couple of words. It's almost like it's telling a

11:45 Speaker 4: story that's awesome, dude, it's so weird. It's so weird,

11:51 Speaker 4: and it's and we talk about going within or going

11:54 Speaker 4: to the source, the muse, right, and it you know,

12:00 Speaker 4: working through you. And it's almost like I'm reading like

12:03 Speaker 4: the questions, the deepest ones that I ask myself are

12:07 Speaker 4: coming through on this synchronicity journal. It's so bizarre.

12:11 Speaker 1: I want to make that discipline for that. I've wanted

12:14 Speaker 1: to create a ynchronicity journal for years. I just I

12:17 Speaker 1: never have the time for it. And then but we've

12:20 Speaker 1: had so many profound things. Just the fact that I

12:23 Speaker 1: have synchronicities in my life, you know, it points to

12:26 Speaker 1: something being real because I certainly believe in those. I

12:29 Speaker 1: mean that that's that's they're just incredible to me.

12:33 Speaker 4: And what I what I really am getting out of

12:37 Speaker 4: it is the amount of synchronicity once you start. Because

12:44 Speaker 4: you know, everyone has that deja vous or or whatever.

12:47 Speaker 4: They have it once in a while and they're like, oh,

12:49 Speaker 4: that was pretty weird. But once you start keying into it,

12:52 Speaker 4: it's almost like it's happening on a such a constant

12:56 Speaker 4: basis that you go, there's no there's too much intelligent

12:59 Speaker 4: design here.

13:01 Speaker 1: I feel that an ebb and flows. For me, There'll

13:03 Speaker 1: be times I almost forget about it for a while

13:05 Speaker 1: and I just kind of go about my life, and

13:07 Speaker 1: then something really profound will be really strong, and then

13:11 Speaker 1: there'll be four more of that week, and then the

13:13 Speaker 1: next week there's nine, and it's like what right, and

13:17 Speaker 1: then sort of ebbs and flows. But yeah, it's been

13:20 Speaker 1: it's certainly been happening for a long long time. It's

13:22 Speaker 1: really fun.

13:23 Speaker 4: I'll tell you. I'll tell you one that happened to

13:26 Speaker 4: me after It was right after I interviewed Chris Bloedsoe

13:30 Speaker 4: and he didn't tell me about his wife, right his

13:37 Speaker 4: first wife. He didn't tell me the story during the podcast,

13:41 Speaker 4: and I was listening to his episode on Sean Ryan

13:43 Speaker 4: because it was kind of a big deal. They didn't

13:47 Speaker 4: put it out for a while. There was rumors I

13:49 Speaker 4: don't want to get into the drama. So Sean Ryan's

13:54 Speaker 4: ends up putting out the episode and I was listening

13:56 Speaker 4: to it in the car. Now, Chris was just on

13:58 Speaker 4: my show previous. So I'm like, oh cool, I want

14:02 Speaker 4: to listen to this episode. And as it's talking about

14:05 Speaker 4: as he's telling Sean Ryan about his first wife dying

14:10 Speaker 4: and her name was Dana, I look to my left

14:14 Speaker 4: and there's an oil truck that just says the name

14:17 Speaker 4: of the company is Dana. Right. So I started recording.

14:24 Speaker 4: You can hear the episode in the background and I'm like, Chris,

14:28 Speaker 4: what the fuck? And part of my language? And I

14:32 Speaker 4: sent it to him after and I was like, weird, weird.

14:35 Speaker 1: Because it's fantastic. You know, Chris, Chris came to Contact

14:39 Speaker 1: in the Desert last year. He wasn't even one of

14:41 Speaker 1: our speakers. That's the thing. A lot of these guys

14:43 Speaker 1: just come to Contact in the desert. You know. The

14:45 Speaker 1: biggest problem we have is genuinely, you know, there's a

14:50 Speaker 1: thousand people in our community that would make quality speakers.

14:54 Speaker 1: We just can't do the same show every year. So

14:56 Speaker 1: we try to mix it up and we try to

14:58 Speaker 1: have different themes and we try to do the best

15:00 Speaker 1: can And it's just hard to tell people, you know,

15:04 Speaker 1: not to reinvite them back the next year. It's not

15:06 Speaker 1: that they're not the greatest speaker in the world. It's

15:08 Speaker 1: just we just can't repeat the whole thing. You know.

15:11 Speaker 1: There's a few core guys that we have that we

15:13 Speaker 1: know well, but in general, we try to mix it

15:16 Speaker 1: up and we try to mix up the theme and

15:17 Speaker 1: we'll recycle these guys back through whenever we can, or

15:21 Speaker 1: if they have a new book or there's a good

15:23 Speaker 1: time to bring them back, you know. But everybody's welcome.

15:26 Speaker 1: Of course, anybody that's been a speaker at contactors in

15:29 Speaker 1: this community, we like to bring them and a lot

15:31 Speaker 1: of them do just come just to be part of it.

15:34 Speaker 4: That's the thing is like, you know, people like me,

15:37 Speaker 4: people like Patrick from Vetted, I know he's going like,

15:41 Speaker 4: there's so many people that are going as you know,

15:44 Speaker 4: non speakers.

15:45 Speaker 1: So this is you're right, you're talking about podcasters. This

15:48 Speaker 1: is something that we kind of introduced when we took over.

15:52 Speaker 1: Is I was a podcaster for years. I mean I

15:54 Speaker 1: did The Truth Be Told back to twenty twelve. I

15:57 Speaker 1: think Tony and I were doing that show. And you know,

16:01 Speaker 1: it's like podcasting is a big part of this community.

16:06 Speaker 1: We don't get our news from CNN or Fox or

16:08 Speaker 1: anything because they don't talk about this news nation does

16:12 Speaker 1: a little bit now, but it's not really on this

16:14 Speaker 1: news So where where do all of us hear this

16:16 Speaker 1: information from podcasters? So we bring that into our event.

16:22 Speaker 1: You know, we've got twelve podcasters doing their show live

16:26 Speaker 1: this year.

16:27 Speaker 4: And man, because like I and I want to talk

16:32 Speaker 4: to you actually after the show, just really quick, so

16:36 Speaker 4: put a pin in that. But it's amazing. It is

16:40 Speaker 4: amazing how you guys are orchestrating this and you're not

16:44 Speaker 4: allowing yourself to kind of stale, right, You're keeping up

16:50 Speaker 4: with the times, and this is something that I think

16:53 Speaker 4: needs to be done a little bit more, is to

16:55 Speaker 4: embrace the new world and contact in the desert seems

16:58 Speaker 4: to just keep morphing to fit the world that that

17:02 Speaker 4: that it's it's encapsulating, and I think it's you guys

17:06 Speaker 4: have done an amazing job in the last three years.

17:09 Speaker 1: Really you just phrased this this way because that is

17:12 Speaker 1: genuinely by design what we're trying to do. We are

17:15 Speaker 1: most of most of the people that we that work

17:17 Speaker 1: with us are younger, and it's like things have evolved

17:21 Speaker 1: and things have changed, and people get news differently and

17:24 Speaker 1: and things get communicated differently now, So we are trying

17:27 Speaker 1: to keep up with that and trying to to, you know,

17:31 Speaker 1: orchestrate the event in that way.

17:33 Speaker 4: And I and I'm not saying this because I'm trying

17:36 Speaker 4: to be like, oh my god, you know, praise you

17:39 Speaker 4: so much. But I got to do something that changed

17:43 Speaker 4: my life because of Contact in the Desert. And this

17:47 Speaker 4: is hasn't even I haven't even gone to the conference yet.

17:50 Speaker 4: So Jamie, being the amazing person and media relations, I

17:56 Speaker 4: got to sit down one on one with Ovius and

18:02 Speaker 4: for ninety minutes, I just hit him with question after question.

18:06 Speaker 4: And I'm sitting in his living room. I'm sitting in

18:09 Speaker 4: Avi Lobe's living room. I had just held Interstellar material

18:12 Speaker 4: that he picked up. He's going to be speaking about

18:15 Speaker 4: Galileo project at Contact, and that interview changed how I

18:22 Speaker 4: want to go forward. So I think, you know, if

18:27 Speaker 4: I'm already being influenced by Contact of the Desert, I

18:30 Speaker 4: cannot wait to see why.

18:33 Speaker 1: It's I mean, you know, we have only been caretakers

18:38 Speaker 1: of this for the last couple of years, but we've

18:39 Speaker 1: been going for a long time.

18:41 Speaker 4: Yeah.

18:41 Speaker 1: Mean, I was involved in Contact Desert twenty fifteen and

18:45 Speaker 1: it's always had a profound effect on each of our lives.

18:48 Speaker 1: And it's amazing how we hear all these stories over

18:51 Speaker 1: the years, just almost synchronistically, if you will, Or the

18:57 Speaker 1: things that have happened. Do you know that Richard Dolan

19:00 Speaker 1: Tracy Dolan met at Contact in the Desert and now yes,

19:06 Speaker 1: Dan Harrari and Steve Bassett started the Hollywood Disclosure Alliance

19:11 Speaker 1: at Contact in the Desert. Uh, you know when when

19:14 Speaker 1: David Grosh came out, Uh, that happened live during our event,

19:18 Speaker 1: and we like stopped our event and we all piled

19:20 Speaker 1: into a room and all watched it together on a screen,

19:24 Speaker 1: and and then Danny and Dolan took questions and all

19:28 Speaker 1: the speakers were in there too, and they were asking

19:30 Speaker 1: them questions about what we just saw. I mean, there's

19:33 Speaker 1: tons of examples of this. We hear them all the time.

19:36 Speaker 1: It's it's it's really great. It's just one of those

19:38 Speaker 1: things that it's it's genuinely we really try to genuinely, uh,

19:45 Speaker 1: you know, guide this thing, but we we keep our

19:47 Speaker 1: hands off of it. We kind of let it. I

19:49 Speaker 1: don't want to get too metaphysical, but we kind of

19:51 Speaker 1: states the side. We kind of let this thing take

19:53 Speaker 1: a life of its own. It's almost like we look

19:56 Speaker 1: at it as an annual banquet for this community and

19:59 Speaker 1: let these people going to share what they're working on,

20:02 Speaker 1: and attendees are a big part of that too, and

20:05 Speaker 1: you know, they share what they're seeing and learning. And

20:07 Speaker 1: now there'll probably be a lot of people this year

20:09 Speaker 1: that saw the drones when that was going on, so

20:12 Speaker 1: I suspect hanging around the bar, there'll be a lot

20:14 Speaker 1: of talk about, Hey, I saw this drone and did

20:17 Speaker 1: you see this? And did you see that? And it

20:19 Speaker 1: just it just takes on a life of its own,

20:21 Speaker 1: and you know, if you're even fractionally interested in this topic,

20:26 Speaker 1: it's just a great place to be. Another interesting aspect

20:29 Speaker 1: of this is we have the entire hotel I've gone.

20:32 Speaker 1: You mentioned you go to a lot of different conferences

20:34 Speaker 1: that are not necessarily UFO conferences. Some of those that

20:38 Speaker 1: we've gone to are like kind of in the middle

20:41 Speaker 1: of a casino or in the middle of something else,

20:43 Speaker 1: and it's just there's other things happening. We have this

20:46 Speaker 1: giant resort and we rent the entire thing, so everybody

20:50 Speaker 1: there is there for this. So you can talk to

20:53 Speaker 1: somebody in line buying food in the morning getting coffee.

20:56 Speaker 1: They're here for this event. They're interested in something.

20:59 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, so a And for anyone who doesn't understand

21:02 Speaker 4: what he's saying. So if you go to.

21:05 Speaker 1: Well, nobody understands what I'm saying. Ty, that's that's been

21:07 Speaker 1: a curse of mind for years. They said, why why

21:10 Speaker 1: why does this guy have a show on coast. He

21:12 Speaker 1: can't even communicate to people. That's one of the big problems.

21:16 Speaker 1: But thank you for pointing that out. I'm gonna put that.

21:19 Speaker 1: Tell Jamie right now to save that clip and put

21:22 Speaker 1: that out there that says he says. So I'm gonna

21:24 Speaker 1: explain it to you. Well right ahead time.

21:27 Speaker 4: Please, So so I And it's funny you said.

21:33 Speaker 1: You said that no one could understand, but.

21:37 Speaker 4: Uh so I I went to reserve the hotel, right

21:41 Speaker 4: and and I guess it didn't get through to me

21:45 Speaker 4: that you can't. You have to go through Contact the Desert.

21:48 Speaker 4: For anyone who does was interested in going, by the way,

21:51 Speaker 4: it's www dot Contact inthe Desert dot com. So I

21:55 Speaker 4: didn't know you had to book a hotel through Contact

21:58 Speaker 4: and Desert's website. If you go go to the website

22:01 Speaker 4: and you go to May twenty ninth to June. Second,

22:05 Speaker 4: you can't as a general person, you can't book for

22:08 Speaker 4: those days, So you can only book through Contact and

22:11 Speaker 4: Desert because they blocked the whole hotel out, so nobody

22:14 Speaker 4: in the hotel aside from the employees will not be

22:18 Speaker 4: there unless they are dedicated to some degree or interested

22:22 Speaker 4: to some degree with this topic.

22:24 Speaker 1: R And we just put it on our site as

22:26 Speaker 1: a courtesy to the hotel. The meals in the hotel,

22:29 Speaker 1: that's all the hotels pricing and however they do things,

22:32 Speaker 1: it's all through the hotel. Same for food. We just

22:34 Speaker 1: put it on there to make it easy for people

22:36 Speaker 1: as a courtesy.

22:37 Speaker 4: You know, it's not like beautiful spot to us.

22:40 Speaker 1: Yeah, the events of the place is great. The venue

22:43 Speaker 1: is amazing. They have like a Vegas style pool front.

22:46 Speaker 4: The mountains that surround the area of Palm Spring. I

22:50 Speaker 4: mean it's gorgeous and you know, so I do want

22:54 Speaker 4: to ask my phone keeps it must be timing out.

22:57 Speaker 4: But you spent years around some of the most and

23:01 Speaker 4: this is you know this this can go past Contact

23:04 Speaker 4: at this point to just general. You know, Captain rod

23:08 Speaker 4: ron Jin, you spent years around some of the most

23:11 Speaker 4: prominent names in ufology period, has any moment ever kind

23:17 Speaker 4: of shaken your worldview or personal belief that so, if

23:21 Speaker 4: that makes.

23:22 Speaker 1: Sense, No, I've never had anything really profound. There was

23:27 Speaker 1: one time I was actually interviewing doctor Stephen, but it's

23:29 Speaker 1: the only time I've ever seen a UFO in my life.

23:31 Speaker 1: I did see one thing that I call a UFO

23:34 Speaker 1: because I don't know what it was, and I was

23:37 Speaker 1: actually a funny coincidence. I was with doctor Greer and

23:41 Speaker 1: we were hiking, and I was interviewing him and asking

23:46 Speaker 1: him questions while we were hiking, and he stopped and

23:49 Speaker 1: he pointed, and like, way out there. I don't know

23:52 Speaker 1: how this guy spotted it, but he did. And I

23:54 Speaker 1: looked and I saw it, and I watched it and

23:56 Speaker 1: we saw. To me, it looked like the sun. It

23:59 Speaker 1: looked exactly like the sun, like it was a quote

24:01 Speaker 1: unquote fireball, and it flew right in the path of

24:05 Speaker 1: just like we you'd see an airplane go over. And

24:08 Speaker 1: we were in South Phoenix, out in this beautiful park,

24:13 Speaker 1: and it went right over, completely silent, and it looked

24:18 Speaker 1: like a sun, like a giant fireball the size of

24:20 Speaker 1: a plane right in like where you'd see a plane

24:24 Speaker 1: and it just kept going. There was no tail or anything.

24:26 Speaker 1: It was just as clear as day and it was

24:30 Speaker 1: in the daylight sighting. And so that was an interesting moment.

24:33 Speaker 1: But nothing's ever been I've never had a profound experience.

24:37 Speaker 1: You know. It's great when you have the opportunity that

24:41 Speaker 1: some people will say some things after a beverage or

24:44 Speaker 1: two that they may not say on stage. Let's just

24:46 Speaker 1: say it that way and leave it there.

24:47 Speaker 4: But yes, that's what I meant.

24:49 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, certainly that happens, and it just strengthens my ability,

24:53 Speaker 1: believe it or not. I'll share this with you because

24:55 Speaker 1: it's an interesting question that no one's ever asked before,

24:57 Speaker 1: and I think it's very very poignant. I'll tell you

25:00 Speaker 1: a moment that stuck with me. How about that that's

25:02 Speaker 1: close really stuck with me? Years and years ago. I

25:07 Speaker 1: was I went to the Roswell Museum on a coin.

25:11 Speaker 1: I just happened to be driving through. I was driving

25:14 Speaker 1: to Texas and I was driving through, and I said,

25:16 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to that Roswell Museum by myself, and

25:18 Speaker 1: I went. I walked through, and just coincidentally, Don Schmidt

25:23 Speaker 1: was there that day, and he was there and I

25:26 Speaker 1: had met him before. I think I may have interviewed

25:28 Speaker 1: him before, and I went over and I talked to

25:30 Speaker 1: him for a while and I kind of asked him

25:33 Speaker 1: something about what he thought about these Roswell witnesses. And

25:37 Speaker 1: he looked me in the eye and he was like, Ron,

25:41 Speaker 1: it's one thing to see a YouTube video. It's one

25:43 Speaker 1: thing to interview somebody. It's one thing to hear the

25:46 Speaker 1: stories or read the books. He goes, But when I'm

25:49 Speaker 1: sitting in a living room with an eighty year old

25:52 Speaker 1: guy that was a colonel in the army, that is,

25:56 Speaker 1: you know, a respected guy, an upstanding guy, and he

26:00 Speaker 1: breaks down in tears and he collapses into my lap

26:04 Speaker 1: because he says, Don, I haven't mentioned this in fifty

26:09 Speaker 1: five years to anyone. And he breaks down in tears.

26:12 Speaker 1: He goes, it is so powerful. And Don said something

26:17 Speaker 1: to the effect of that's what made him hooked and

26:20 Speaker 1: believe that this was a real story. And ever since

26:24 Speaker 1: Don told me that story, it's made me very compelled

26:28 Speaker 1: by the stories. So I find that a very compelling story.

26:32 Speaker 4: Yeah. You know what's funny is Don is actually a

26:36 Speaker 4: good friend of mine, and he said something similar to

26:39 Speaker 4: me and I had had that happen to me where,

26:43 Speaker 4: you know, because I got to bring Bob Saalice. I

26:48 Speaker 4: So I went to the UFO, the UAP hearings in November.

26:51 Speaker 4: I'm sure you remember, right, but I was invited down

26:54 Speaker 4: by Congress and so I went, and you know, I

26:58 Speaker 4: had a seat reserved and all that I had made,

27:01 Speaker 4: and I made meetings with various members of Congress from

27:06 Speaker 4: everyone up to Nancy Mace. So Ron, even Ron James,

27:11 Speaker 4: like in line. He came up to me. He's like,

27:14 Speaker 4: how did you get a meet He's like, who are you?

27:17 Speaker 4: Who are you? How did you get a meeting with Mace?

27:20 Speaker 4: And I was like, I just am persistent and it

27:26 Speaker 4: ended up working out because Bob Saalice was there and

27:30 Speaker 4: I got to bring Bob into brief Nancy Mace after

27:34 Speaker 4: she chaired the UFO hearing, so not even with you,

27:38 Speaker 4: he was, I brought them.

27:41 Speaker 1: Both in awesome.

27:43 Speaker 4: So I yielded my time. I was like, I had

27:46 Speaker 4: a good list of questions. I ripped them up and

27:49 Speaker 4: I was like, Bob, you can brief Nancy. All I

27:52 Speaker 4: ask is that I'm in the room and I can

27:54 Speaker 4: film it. That's it. That's fantastic.

27:57 Speaker 1: Good for you, man. I've seen that video with with

27:59 Speaker 1: with Steve. Steve told me all about it. That's yeah.

28:03 Speaker 4: So that meeting, I don't want to be like but

28:07 Speaker 4: that only happened because I made it.

28:12 Speaker 1: Those are three moments, man, You're gonna remember that twenty

28:14 Speaker 1: years from now. It's a great, great moment.

28:16 Speaker 4: Man INGOs. So that's why I say it, because Bob,

28:21 Speaker 4: after he pulled me aside, and it was during the interview,

28:25 Speaker 4: I saw something him being able to He had never

28:28 Speaker 4: been able to tell his story brief a member of Congress,

28:32 Speaker 4: right and there you know, she's sitting right there, right

28:34 Speaker 4: in front of him. He had never given that opportunity.

28:37 Speaker 1: And he's one or two for fifty years.

28:40 Speaker 4: Fifty years. This guy just had this incredibly this, I

28:49 Speaker 4: mean the story. If you have any vested interest in

28:52 Speaker 4: national security and you listen to Bob Salace's story, and

28:57 Speaker 4: if you don't walk away eaching a little bit, then

29:02 Speaker 4: you shouldn't be in government. You shouldn't be in the military,

29:06 Speaker 4: you shouldn't have a stake in national security because what

29:09 Speaker 4: he's telling you, I mean, these are the best of

29:11 Speaker 4: the best of the best of the best. They have

29:15 Speaker 4: to tell when they take aspirin pilan. All these guys

29:18 Speaker 4: are the sharpest of the sharp and they're guarding our

29:22 Speaker 4: most valuable, our most decimating, and our most you know,

29:29 Speaker 4: intrinsically expensive weaponry. So if they're telling you, something came

29:34 Speaker 4: and shut those off. So when he was telling his

29:39 Speaker 4: story to Nancy, I saw him like, I don't I

29:42 Speaker 4: don't want to give the you know, I don't want

29:45 Speaker 4: to give him away. But I saw like a tear

29:48 Speaker 4: come to his eye, and if it changed like it

29:52 Speaker 4: changed me fundamentally.

29:53 Speaker 1: Absolutely. Man, that's a very profound moment for him, and

29:56 Speaker 1: it's great. And we're hoping this month to get him

30:00 Speaker 1: and a few other guys who are similar position to

30:03 Speaker 1: testify before Congress. And that's that's a very strong possibility.

30:07 Speaker 4: I've been working with him.

30:08 Speaker 1: Yeah, and God that happens. You know, these guys will

30:11 Speaker 1: be at contact.

30:12 Speaker 4: Of course, I was. I was going to say, so

30:16 Speaker 4: you you have Bob, you have you have many many

30:20 Speaker 4: other speakers.

30:22 Speaker 1: Those guys are all part of the nuclear thing. Yep.

30:25 Speaker 4: Absolutely, And you guys just announced if if if I'm

30:29 Speaker 4: not mistaken, you held out a little bit. I don't

30:32 Speaker 4: know if it was maybe you signed that, he signed up.

30:35 Speaker 4: But now Ross Colthard is going to be there. It's

30:38 Speaker 4: it's been announced. What what's your hope in in bringing

30:46 Speaker 4: Ross to contact to be you know, a highlighted speaker

30:50 Speaker 4: the way he is. Obviously he's been at the center

30:53 Speaker 4: of a lot of what's you know, breaking news and

30:56 Speaker 4: like the David Gruss story.

30:59 Speaker 1: Are you guys, Ross is a very important figure in

31:01 Speaker 1: our community. I mean he also I mean, you know,

31:04 Speaker 1: for my little tiny world, in my little head, I

31:08 Speaker 1: feel part of my mission is to share these things.

31:12 Speaker 1: Like you know, I'm embedded in this world and I

31:14 Speaker 1: find these things fascinating. I try to share that with

31:17 Speaker 1: people sort of outside our community. In my personal life

31:20 Speaker 1: and doing this, I like people that are outside of

31:24 Speaker 1: this community. Preaching to the choir doesn't do any good.

31:27 Speaker 1: They already know these stories. It's not that exciting as much.

31:30 Speaker 1: I like people that are new to this because I

31:33 Speaker 1: think a lot of people have overlooked how profound and

31:36 Speaker 1: interesting and exciting a lot of this is. So I'm

31:40 Speaker 1: always trying to do that. I think Ross is really

31:43 Speaker 1: great and valuable because here he is on News Nation

31:46 Speaker 1: really getting this word out to a lot of people.

31:49 Speaker 1: And we've had that happen a lot since twenty seventeen,

31:52 Speaker 1: as you know, that watershed moment New York Times sixty minutes,

31:56 Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. Now we have Ross. I think

31:58 Speaker 1: he's one of the most highly profiled guys that are

32:02 Speaker 1: speaking to people outside this community, that that audience is

32:06 Speaker 1: not just made up of UFO people. Of course, there

32:09 Speaker 1: are just regular everyday folks watching that show. So I

32:13 Speaker 1: think he's really important in that regard, and I respect

32:17 Speaker 1: what he's done, and I think he's going to be

32:18 Speaker 1: a He's he's one of these guys that just fits

32:21 Speaker 1: in with contact perfectly.

32:23 Speaker 4: Yeah, he is.

32:24 Speaker 1: And he's a nicer guy by the way, in real life,

32:28 Speaker 1: he is just awesome, a true gentleman, a true Uh you.

32:32 Speaker 4: Know, I got to update my I gotta update my

32:37 Speaker 4: interview list because he wasn't on the list when I

32:40 Speaker 4: sent my list to Jamie, So she's really busy.

32:43 Speaker 1: I'm not sure how many he's doing on that. Yeah, Jamie,

32:47 Speaker 1: she's got the list of who's available.

32:48 Speaker 4: Yeah, honestly, honestly, I'm fine with I'm fine, just I'm

32:54 Speaker 4: a happy man. I am so happy. I cannot wait.

32:57 Speaker 4: I don't things happen the way that supposed to happen,

33:00 Speaker 4: and they always will happen the way they're supposed to happen.

33:04 Speaker 4: You brought something up earlier. I want to talk about

33:10 Speaker 4: your beliefs and uphology, and you talked about the pyramids earlier,

33:17 Speaker 4: ancient civilizations and stuff and lost technology. Are these things

33:21 Speaker 4: that you you think about and you know you're you're

33:25 Speaker 4: do you openly, openly go down those avenues?

33:30 Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, I mean, I'm an open book. I'm I'm

33:32 Speaker 1: just one of these guys who loves sitting fireside listening

33:37 Speaker 1: to these things and talking about these things. I don't

33:39 Speaker 1: know why the rest of the world doesn't, because what's

33:42 Speaker 1: the point of the human experience but to to talk

33:46 Speaker 1: about the things we don't know about and get to

33:49 Speaker 1: those answers. To me, that's just like how life should be.

33:52 Speaker 1: Let's discover the unknown things. Let's let's see if we

33:55 Speaker 1: can get closer to the truth. Hearing the same old

33:58 Speaker 1: thing on the news just does not do anything for me.

34:01 Speaker 1: So I'm always interested in that, always interested in new

34:06 Speaker 1: speculating on what could be happening. I don't really have

34:10 Speaker 1: any strong conclusions yet, but I do like getting closer,

34:16 Speaker 1: and I love that they just found these new things

34:18 Speaker 1: under the pyramids. This could lead to an incredible thing

34:21 Speaker 1: to me, even strengthen the idea. I mean clearly the

34:25 Speaker 1: Pyramids and some of these giant megalists from history. It's

34:30 Speaker 1: one of two things. Either we had a technology where

34:34 Speaker 1: we could move the stones at ball back, which are

34:36 Speaker 1: eighteen hundred tons.

34:37 Speaker 4: They're ridiculous, and they're laser precisions.

34:41 Speaker 1: And so either we had this technology and lost it,

34:45 Speaker 1: which I do believe is possible because if we had

34:47 Speaker 1: a nuclear war or something happened. Now, I don't know

34:50 Speaker 1: how to do anything. Brother, I can't get lead in

34:53 Speaker 1: a pencil, I let alone build an iPhone, So I

34:56 Speaker 1: can imagine how you know, only few people in our

35:00 Speaker 1: world know how to do these things. So I could

35:02 Speaker 1: see us losing the technology. But if it wasn't that,

35:06 Speaker 1: either we lost the technology or we had help from

35:09 Speaker 1: somewhere else. I mean, it's really, it's really the only

35:12 Speaker 1: two answers. I don't know how else. Yeah, we lost it,

35:18 Speaker 1: or we had it and secret keepers kept it or

35:22 Speaker 1: somebody else helped us.

35:24 Speaker 4: See that's where I was, you know, And and I

35:27 Speaker 4: have an angle here I think the first cover up

35:32 Speaker 4: it didn't start with I think the first cover up

35:36 Speaker 4: happened from the churches and religion at its core. I

35:42 Speaker 4: think started the first cover up of whatever technology it was,

35:48 Speaker 4: or whatever civilization had been here. I think it. I

35:53 Speaker 4: think I don't know. I think that's where. Because people ask, oh,

35:57 Speaker 4: where did it all begin? Well, I think the real

35:58 Speaker 4: cover up started all long time ago when it was

36:02 Speaker 4: the religious you know, because people people don't remember it

36:06 Speaker 4: is like the church was the judge, jury and our executioner.

36:11 Speaker 1: You know, it's not with what you're saying, Yes, I agree.

36:15 Speaker 1: I definitely said that there was a time where that.

36:17 Speaker 4: Was the Yeah, and and and so with this new find,

36:22 Speaker 4: I don't have to change cameras with this new find

36:24 Speaker 4: under the pyramids. You know, it makes me makes me

36:29 Speaker 4: think because like you've obviously you've heard Graham, Hancock and

36:32 Speaker 4: you know Randall Carson, Robert Shock, so many people, I'm

36:36 Speaker 4: sure you know them.

36:37 Speaker 1: All we had with Graham was our keynote two years ago.

36:41 Speaker 4: Oh how's he been to contact?

36:44 Speaker 1: I brought him in two years ago. That was our

36:45 Speaker 1: first year. That was our keynote speaker.

36:47 Speaker 4: Absolutely, Oh damn well, Graham is fantastic, and and and

36:52 Speaker 4: I find, I find and Uh. There's a reason I

36:55 Speaker 4: like to talk about this stuff is because you know

36:59 Speaker 4: ancient Egypt and and pre dynastic Egypt and the ancient Sumerians,

37:04 Speaker 4: and you know, you talk about guys like Zachariasitchen and

37:08 Speaker 4: you know it's this all plays like a really fundamental core,

37:12 Speaker 4: like the story of the Anaki or you know, the

37:16 Speaker 4: people from Above, the Star people and the Americas. All

37:19 Speaker 4: these stories, you know exist and they seem to be

37:22 Speaker 4: telling the same story with a few deviations here and

37:27 Speaker 4: there based on maybe geological or I mean geographical cultural right.

37:33 Speaker 4: You know, someone from uh In in the Middle East,

37:38 Speaker 4: you know they were going to have a different experience

37:40 Speaker 4: than someone in you know, Africa and uh and then

37:44 Speaker 4: in the America's you know, at different times, so there's

37:47 Speaker 4: gonna be slight variations in what they how they call them,

37:51 Speaker 4: what they say about them. But there's always this, you know,

37:54 Speaker 4: the flood always happens in all these cultures. Right, So

37:58 Speaker 4: it's like we need to step back and be able

38:01 Speaker 4: to have the conversation. Like you said earlier, we need

38:04 Speaker 4: to stop throwing stones at each other and step back

38:09 Speaker 4: and be like, hey, dude, let's compare notes.

38:13 Speaker 1: That's what this has been going on for a long time.

38:16 Speaker 1: The problem I have is that I'm fascinated with people

38:20 Speaker 1: like Graham Hancock and these guys that are making these

38:23 Speaker 1: really profound discoveries, and unfortunately science moves very glacially. It's

38:28 Speaker 1: very hard for them to change their stance on anything.

38:33 Speaker 1: I did a show about this back in October where

38:36 Speaker 1: I talked about how throughout history, every little thing. You know,

38:42 Speaker 1: it's amazing how wrong we've been over God and over

38:47 Speaker 1: you know, not that long ago. I thirty five forty

38:50 Speaker 1: years ago, we believe there were no planets in the

38:54 Speaker 1: universe anywhere, and now we believe that the average is

38:57 Speaker 1: one and a half planets per star. I mean, that's

39:00 Speaker 1: a pretty dramatic change, you know. And in nineteen twenty five,

39:05 Speaker 1: just one hundred years ago, we believe that our galaxy

39:08 Speaker 1: was in fact the entirety of the universe. Because we

39:12 Speaker 1: didn't know any better then. We built a telescope out

39:14 Speaker 1: here at Mount Wilson, and we saw that there were

39:17 Speaker 1: galaxies beyond our galaxy, and that the Milky Way Galaxy

39:22 Speaker 1: is merely one little galaxy in a vast universe, and

39:27 Speaker 1: that's only one hundred years ago. So it's like, throughout

39:30 Speaker 1: history we've been extremely wrong. And I don't know why

39:36 Speaker 1: science is so hard to be that. I wish they

39:39 Speaker 1: were more open to these changes, even things like the

39:42 Speaker 1: play tapes. They're so quick to say, no, this isn't real. Well,

39:47 Speaker 1: why don't we take a look at it? And maybe

39:49 Speaker 1: it is? You know what I mean, It does seem

39:52 Speaker 1: to be very real to me. So I'm open to

39:56 Speaker 1: at least listening to these people. And I just wish

39:59 Speaker 1: more of the world was. They seem so quick to

40:02 Speaker 1: dismiss these things, and and it inevitably they will be

40:07 Speaker 1: proven wrong. This has been going on throughout history. An

40:10 Speaker 1: example is if you told somebody four hundred years ago, oh,

40:14 Speaker 1: by the way, your skin is covered with micro scopic

40:19 Speaker 1: organisms and there's a billion of them in your stomach

40:21 Speaker 1: right now, they'd think you're.

40:23 Speaker 4: Crazy, right, They'd be like, they would probably burn you

40:26 Speaker 4: for witchcraft.

40:27 Speaker 1: Literally, And now a four year old knows this, this

40:30 Speaker 1: is like common knowledge to anybody. It's like it's an

40:33 Speaker 1: extreme version of the Earth is flat thing.

40:36 Speaker 4: And then you know, obviously you know it reminds me

40:39 Speaker 4: and forgive me if this is like super on the nose,

40:43 Speaker 4: but it reminds me of the First Men in Black

40:45 Speaker 4: where Tommy Lee Jones is talking to Will Smith and

40:47 Speaker 4: he's like a thousand year ago. A thousand years ago,

40:51 Speaker 4: everybody knew the Earth was the center of the universe.

40:55 Speaker 4: Five hundred years ago, they knew the Earth was flat.

41:00 Speaker 4: Fifteen minutes ago, you knew that humans were alone on

41:04 Speaker 4: this planet. Imagine what you'll know tomorrow.

41:08 Speaker 1: And that's why I feel, that's why I don't like,

41:10 Speaker 1: I mean, everybody that's that's that's so adamant about their position,

41:16 Speaker 1: stop it, because you're going to be proven wrong now

41:19 Speaker 1: it may be beyond your lifetime. And I love when

41:22 Speaker 1: some sciences scientists are vindicated during their lifetime, Like the

41:27 Speaker 1: Higgs Boson guy was able to alive and see that

41:30 Speaker 1: he was in fact right. But there's many of these

41:33 Speaker 1: cases throughout history that you can study where they had

41:37 Speaker 1: this position. They thought he was crazy. Sure enough, upon

41:40 Speaker 1: his death, Oh my god, you know that guy was right.

41:43 Speaker 1: You know, the Earth was all one big land mass

41:46 Speaker 1: and it pulled apart. People can't believe that, you know,

41:50 Speaker 1: all yeah, you know, it's incredible.

41:53 Speaker 4: And and and you know, with so much kind of

41:58 Speaker 4: all right, there's like that growing there's this growing belief

42:01 Speaker 4: and I think it's probably pretty spot on. I now,

42:05 Speaker 4: I trust me. I think the government has come a

42:08 Speaker 4: long way, not that maybe government, but Congress, and the

42:13 Speaker 4: status quo is changing. Obviously, there's been UFO hearings, there's

42:17 Speaker 4: you know, there's the task force they have now there's

42:20 Speaker 4: a but there's a growing belief that disclosure it will

42:23 Speaker 4: not come from Washington, but it will come from experiencers,

42:28 Speaker 4: independent researchers, and even non human intelligence itself. You may

42:33 Speaker 4: talk about the Jersey thing, what's your take, I mean,

42:36 Speaker 4: contacting the desert. It's not a small event. It's the

42:41 Speaker 4: world's largest UFO convents in and you talk about how

42:46 Speaker 4: I mean, what's your take, what's my take on what?

42:52 Speaker 4: So do you think that? So again, people, there's a

42:57 Speaker 4: growing belief that disclosure won't come from Washington disclosure.

43:00 Speaker 1: I'll tell you my take on disclosure. I do not

43:03 Speaker 1: see any reason to disclose this information if in fact

43:09 Speaker 1: they have this information. I feel like, I know doctor

43:13 Speaker 1: Stephen Greer is very controversial, but I feel that his

43:17 Speaker 1: position that there is a black budget, black project unacknowledged

43:23 Speaker 1: project that holds this knowledge makes perfect sense to me.

43:26 Speaker 1: Why wouldn't something like that happen throughout history? If you

43:31 Speaker 1: go back, literally in the movie two thousand and one,

43:34 Speaker 1: they show the monkey that finds the bone and uses

43:37 Speaker 1: the bone as a weapon. He had a better technology

43:40 Speaker 1: than the monkey who didn't even have the bone. That

43:43 Speaker 1: guy with the stronger technology always wins. That's been pretty

43:47 Speaker 1: much the case throughout history. That's who's conquered, that's who's won.

43:51 Speaker 1: So now, if you have this technology that's what a

43:55 Speaker 1: thousand years, ten thousand years, a million years ahead of

43:59 Speaker 1: what we currently have, because you've captured it. If that

44:02 Speaker 1: is in fact true, why would you release this information?

44:06 Speaker 1: There is no incentive to do so. So it is

44:09 Speaker 1: my belief that if this is in fact real and

44:11 Speaker 1: the government does have it, there's no reason to do so.

44:15 Speaker 1: And it's awesome that they're trying to get these bills passed,

44:18 Speaker 1: and it's awesome that they have arrow, which so far

44:21 Speaker 1: is worthless. It's awesome that they're having these congressional hearings.

44:25 Speaker 1: I love it because it brings attention to this topic

44:27 Speaker 1: to other people who can put pressure on getting it moved.

44:31 Speaker 1: Forward and can open people's eyes that there is more

44:33 Speaker 1: going on than their three D Newtonian world. However, I

44:38 Speaker 1: personally believe that stuff is so buried that no matter

44:43 Speaker 1: who you ask. Of course, when you ask the guy

44:45 Speaker 1: an arrow, or you ask these congressmen, hey, what do

44:48 Speaker 1: you guys have? And they say nothing, they're not lying,

44:51 Speaker 1: they don't know anything. They're not going to put the

44:54 Speaker 1: guy that knows on that stand. That's ridiculous to ask him.

44:58 Speaker 1: You're asking somebody that doesn't know anything. Got plausible deniability.

45:01 Speaker 1: So I think if these things are in fact true,

45:04 Speaker 1: that they are buried, buried, buried, and if we do

45:08 Speaker 1: get some form of disclosure, it'll be you know, minimal, that's.

45:14 Speaker 4: I think it'd be. It would happen and then the

45:18 Speaker 4: government or the milit you know, let's just say the president.

45:23 Speaker 4: Something would have to happen, and then they would just

45:25 Speaker 4: confirm that it exists. It exists, right like, yeah, we

45:29 Speaker 4: just found out with you guys, we have no but

45:32 Speaker 4: everything to that point. So they're going to wait for

45:34 Speaker 4: some event to happen. And I think Greer even talks

45:37 Speaker 4: about false flags. I don't want to. I don't know

45:40 Speaker 4: about that kind of stuff.

45:42 Speaker 1: I yeah, that's that's a that's a bridge too far

45:44 Speaker 1: from me too. But but if there was something like

45:47 Speaker 1: like an alien presence made itself known or another country

45:51 Speaker 1: was releasing this, then I think our government would step up.

45:56 Speaker 1: But if they're not pushed to, there's no reason to.

46:00 Speaker 4: Well you know that, and and and so I've been

46:02 Speaker 4: doing a lot of research. I'm actually doing a like

46:05 Speaker 4: a really long speaking of of of people Jesse Michaels.

46:10 Speaker 4: What an amazing, amazing podcaster, journalists, uh, you know whatever, entrepreneur,

46:21 Speaker 4: you know. I really I'm making a video in in

46:25 Speaker 4: this a similar style to how he does it. But

46:28 Speaker 4: I've been looking at the doctor how I'll put off

46:30 Speaker 4: and help put off has openly admitted multiple times that

46:33 Speaker 4: he was part of these the think tanks. Now when

46:41 Speaker 4: he would go, he'd show up to these this think

46:43 Speaker 4: tank and there would be people from government, like high

46:46 Speaker 4: up in government. There'd be private citizens, but in the

46:51 Speaker 4: corporate world that have really made you know, a name

46:55 Speaker 4: for themselves, you know, whether it's business or monetarily. Uh,

47:00 Speaker 4: just all the smartest and richest people were represented there,

47:05 Speaker 4: and ultimately they came to a conclusion that disclosure is

47:09 Speaker 4: not sustainable. It's not sustainable. Now, like this is going

47:14 Speaker 4: into every facet. Do I agree with him? I do not?

47:17 Speaker 4: Do I do I agree with that outcome? And he

47:20 Speaker 4: and he's openly talked about it. You know that that

47:23 Speaker 4: maybe the word.

47:26 Speaker 1: You mean like like it would collapse the planet.

47:28 Speaker 4: That's what the thing, these things tanks, that's I am

47:31 Speaker 4: not saying. Concluded that it would have major ramifications and religion,

47:39 Speaker 4: mental health, like it would. They gave this specific example. Now,

47:46 Speaker 4: so you have two companies, say, let's Company A and

47:49 Speaker 4: Company B. They both were they both bid for government contracts.

47:54 Speaker 4: But if you've been giving government A meta materials without

47:58 Speaker 4: Company B knowing Company B is gonna sue Company A

48:02 Speaker 4: because well, you guys had a you guys, you know,

48:06 Speaker 4: you guys are working together, and they they had material

48:10 Speaker 4: access to materials that we didn't have access to. Of

48:12 Speaker 4: course they're gonna win these contracts they have.

48:15 Speaker 1: Fucking there's no doubt if disclosure happens from our government,

48:19 Speaker 1: there's gonna be so many lawsuits the following day that

48:22 Speaker 1: it's not even funny. Even things like like we talked

48:24 Speaker 1: about Roswell earlier. Even this my dad was threatened and

48:28 Speaker 1: he never left his house for thirty years. You ruined

48:31 Speaker 1: his life. You owe us fifty million dollars. I mean,

48:33 Speaker 1: there's an endless supply of these things, so it would

48:37 Speaker 1: have to be like a cart bloch. We're gonna say, look,

48:39 Speaker 1: everybody gets a free pass on this.

48:41 Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's that's the and so that's the that

48:46 Speaker 4: that's how they they really thought about it in these

48:48 Speaker 4: think tanks. So I don't blame them for coming to

48:50 Speaker 4: the conclusions that they did. But it's like, all right, dude,

48:54 Speaker 4: you made your bed, now it's time to lie in it.

48:58 Speaker 4: What are you guys coming?

48:59 Speaker 1: Yeah? Is it just the revealing that there is an

49:02 Speaker 1: alien presence? Or is there? Do we have free energy?

49:06 Speaker 1: There are those who believe that this technology is not

49:09 Speaker 1: only weaponry, it is free energy that would change the

49:12 Speaker 1: world overnight.

49:13 Speaker 4: Obviously because because you know, I don't know about your childhood,

49:17 Speaker 4: Ron and and you know, obviously there's a place in time.

49:22 Speaker 4: But you know, I grew up in a in a

49:24 Speaker 4: not so rich, a very you know, lower middle class family,

49:30 Speaker 4: and there were times when we couldn't afford to have heat,

49:33 Speaker 4: and we had to boil water to take showers and

49:35 Speaker 4: stuff like that. So if that whole time that we

49:38 Speaker 4: were struggling to food.

49:41 Speaker 1: And here you had free energy and you didn't let

49:44 Speaker 1: my family have it, you can imagine what that's going

49:47 Speaker 1: to call. So number one, I think a lot of

49:49 Speaker 1: people again just take this cursory view that that disclosure

49:53 Speaker 1: is this easy thing that we can just release this overnight.

49:58 Speaker 1: It's going to have all these complicated factors of free energy,

50:02 Speaker 1: of religious ramifications, government ratifications, lies, all of these things,

50:08 Speaker 1: and then you could take it another step. Something that

50:10 Speaker 1: I've been thinking about lately is that, you know, initially

50:16 Speaker 1: when this first came up, let's say, nineteen forties, fifties, sixties,

50:20 Speaker 1: it was strictly a spaceship coming from another planet, nuts

50:24 Speaker 1: and bolt craft as we talk about boom. You know,

50:27 Speaker 1: you can get your head around that pretty easily. I'll

50:29 Speaker 1: be honest, if you could, I could convince my mother

50:31 Speaker 1: that look, just like we are here, there's people that

50:34 Speaker 1: live there and they built a ship and their version

50:37 Speaker 1: of Lexus flew all the way here, you know, with

50:40 Speaker 1: an Apple radio and whatnot. You could imagine a scenario

50:43 Speaker 1: where that's that's easy to digest. But now this community

50:48 Speaker 1: is full of inter dimensional consciousness travel psionics, we're controlling

50:54 Speaker 1: the spaceship sitting. That is another level of comprehension. And

50:58 Speaker 1: if any of that is that could be a reason

51:02 Speaker 1: not to release this information. And of course they say

51:05 Speaker 1: that the Legacy programs feel that they're tied into demonic

51:09 Speaker 1: and religious aspects to this, So you know, we don't

51:13 Speaker 1: really know what we don't know.

51:16 Speaker 4: Of course, that's another thing. So and I'd like to

51:21 Speaker 4: definitely put god no. I was gonna say I put

51:26 Speaker 4: a pen in it. But if I don't say it now,

51:27 Speaker 4: I won't. I won't remember. But it does it does

51:31 Speaker 4: it scare you a little bit that people do they're

51:34 Speaker 4: so religiously like I don't I don't want to use

51:39 Speaker 4: the word like brainwashed, but.

51:44 Speaker 1: I think any extreme position is crazy to me. I mean,

51:49 Speaker 1: I live in such a middle. I'm a Libra and

51:52 Speaker 1: I am a true Libra, and I take a middle

51:54 Speaker 1: position on all of these things, politics, UFOs, everything in

51:59 Speaker 1: my life. So I always find people at the edge

52:03 Speaker 1: of these extreme positions. I am always puzzled by why

52:07 Speaker 1: they would even think those things, and why would you

52:09 Speaker 1: hold such a fervent you know, just this is your

52:14 Speaker 1: line in the sand. It's like, how do you even know?

52:17 Speaker 4: You know, I could see, I could see if it

52:19 Speaker 4: was like we were cutting our hands and doing blood rituals.

52:24 Speaker 4: But it's people doing CE five. They're not they're I mean,

52:29 Speaker 4: we're not invoking demons. And obviously, you know, I do

52:33 Speaker 4: think that CE five, you know, remote viewing. I do

52:37 Speaker 4: think you have to be a little bit careful. You

52:39 Speaker 4: can invite things. I think there's good out there, there's

52:43 Speaker 4: bad out there.

52:44 Speaker 1: You know. This is why says we shouldn't be making

52:47 Speaker 1: ourselves known to the universe anyway, because who knows who

52:50 Speaker 1: could see us? And I know you're a staunch snake handler.

52:55 Speaker 1: So that's an interesting religion, but we don't have to

52:58 Speaker 1: go down that path. Right now. There's something I heard.

53:02 Speaker 1: I picked it up somewhere. I'm not sure.

53:07 Speaker 4: So and for me it's it's it's this crazy thing,

53:12 Speaker 4: and it's like we if even if you are religious,

53:18 Speaker 4: it's okay to be religious, it's not okay to say

53:22 Speaker 4: that we can't look into UFOs because it's demonic. You can't.

53:26 Speaker 4: It's in the world.

53:27 Speaker 1: How do we know? That's the thing I really struggle

53:30 Speaker 1: with because we don't know, we don't know, we don't

53:34 Speaker 1: know it's you what people the Royal You could think

53:38 Speaker 1: it's it's demonic, and it might be, but we don't

53:41 Speaker 1: know that, so I don't think that that's fair. The

53:45 Speaker 1: problem with this topic is that it is an unknowable.

53:48 Speaker 1: We really don't know. Even people that claim to know

53:51 Speaker 1: what they were dealing with, they don't know because it's

53:56 Speaker 1: an unknowable. And what else? And if there's another life

53:59 Speaker 1: for I'm coming here, then that means there's a thousand

54:02 Speaker 1: others that can or probably were also coming here. So

54:06 Speaker 1: it's not just one phenomenon. I think we're just going

54:10 Speaker 1: to learn more and more as it goes forward. So

54:13 Speaker 1: these are unknowables, though, and it's hard to put limitations

54:16 Speaker 1: on that.

54:16 Speaker 4: I feel absolutely, And I think you know, it's the

54:20 Speaker 4: the people that are screaming the loudest, like, hey guys,

54:24 Speaker 4: I have the answers. Maybe take an extra second with

54:28 Speaker 4: those people, because you know, again UAP is an unidentified

54:34 Speaker 4: you know, it's all in the name, and I think

54:36 Speaker 4: people do forget that, right we the general we as

54:42 Speaker 4: you said, the Royal, We I like that I might

54:45 Speaker 4: have to use that. You know, they think UFO, they

54:48 Speaker 4: think Little Green Man, and like you kind of like

54:51 Speaker 4: what you said earlier, is it had in the in

54:53 Speaker 4: the community. It's maybe changed to interdimensional opening our minds

54:58 Speaker 4: to other possibilities. But for the average Joe down the street,

55:03 Speaker 4: you know, someone says UFO, he's gonna think archetypal alien.

55:06 Speaker 1: You know, nineteen fifties flying saucer. That's what people think

55:09 Speaker 1: of UFO. I think that's part of the reason they

55:11 Speaker 1: tried to change that. But all of these things, just

55:13 Speaker 1: like you know, you don't drive down the four or

55:16 Speaker 1: five in a white Bronco at four miles an hour

55:20 Speaker 1: if you didn't do something wrong, you know what I mean.

55:22 Speaker 1: It's like it's like, well, hello, so yeah, these people

55:26 Speaker 1: that jump up.

55:26 Speaker 4: And down tell me you were funny man.

55:29 Speaker 1: Sorry, I I just I don't. Yeah, anybody. The more

55:34 Speaker 1: the more that you're convinced that you know the answer

55:36 Speaker 1: to this, the less likely I am to believe it. Ironically, yes,

55:41 Speaker 1: I love the Even even a renowned contact, the abductee

55:48 Speaker 1: Whitley Streeber, for example, to this day crazy I don't

55:54 Speaker 1: know what it is, and he won't even call them aliens.

55:56 Speaker 1: Everybody calls him the alien guy, just like I've never

55:59 Speaker 1: once called them. I call him the visitors, because I

56:01 Speaker 1: don't I have a great respect for that. He doesn't

56:05 Speaker 1: know what they are, he says, these things are happening

56:08 Speaker 1: to him. I don't know what it is. I can

56:12 Speaker 1: get behind that position like that. You know, the more

56:15 Speaker 1: people know exactly it's this race from this place and

56:19 Speaker 1: they're doing this maybe right, But that's that's that's that's

56:25 Speaker 1: just harder to digest, I feel, And it's certainly harder

56:29 Speaker 1: to tell people outside this community who don't even have

56:32 Speaker 1: any idea about it. Here's the answer. Well, we don't

56:35 Speaker 1: really have the answers. We're exploring the answers. That's the

56:38 Speaker 1: whole point of my podcast. That's the whole point of

56:41 Speaker 1: Contact in the Desert. That's the whole point of all

56:43 Speaker 1: of this.

56:44 Speaker 4: I think, right right, I couldn't I couldn't agree more.

56:47 Speaker 4: And something I wanted to ask you is, how is

56:51 Speaker 4: the community around Contact in the Desert evolved over the years?

56:55 Speaker 4: You know, are you seeing a more open minded public now?

56:58 Speaker 1: Very much so. I I definitely think we go back

57:01 Speaker 1: to that twenty seveneen watershed moment, you know, because I

57:05 Speaker 1: was at Contact in the Desert when it was out

57:08 Speaker 1: in Joshua Tree in twenty fifteen and sixteen, and I

57:11 Speaker 1: definitely think number one, it's moved younger. It used to

57:14 Speaker 1: be much much older. It has definitely moved younger, and

57:18 Speaker 1: it has definitely moved in a direction of cursory people,

57:22 Speaker 1: which is what we want to people that have an

57:24 Speaker 1: interest in this but aren't necessarily experiencers. They're just like, well, yeah,

57:29 Speaker 1: I keep seeing this in the news, and I keep

57:31 Speaker 1: seeing this. I want to learn more about it. I

57:34 Speaker 1: know nothing about this. That's why we bring in these

57:37 Speaker 1: top guys. If you want to get a sense of

57:40 Speaker 1: what's going on. These are the people that are the

57:42 Speaker 1: closest we can find to the answers, and most of

57:46 Speaker 1: them will tell you we don't know the definitive answer,

57:48 Speaker 1: but we're getting closer and we're getting a sense of

57:51 Speaker 1: what's happening. And I think that's wonderful and I think

57:53 Speaker 1: it really really makes a difference here. If you click

57:55 Speaker 1: on that second tab, you could see our speaker line

57:57 Speaker 1: up there. Brother, everybody that's coming speakers, filmmakers. Do you

58:01 Speaker 1: know we're having five world premiere documentaries this year? Ye?

58:06 Speaker 4: I can't, So can you give us a little I

58:09 Speaker 4: don't know if you can give us a little. Uh,

58:11 Speaker 4: you know, I don't know if it's if you'd say

58:13 Speaker 4: it's an exclusive here, but I did want to ask,

58:17 Speaker 4: are you telling what those documentaries are?

58:20 Speaker 1: Yeah, they're on the bottom of the page. They're all

58:22 Speaker 1: all five filmmakers, are there?

58:25 Speaker 4: Four of them are up.

58:26 Speaker 1: The other two are coming up this week.

58:28 Speaker 4: So okay, well, okay, I didn't know. I hadn't seen that.

58:33 Speaker 4: I'm actually glad because obviously there's a huge documentary. People

58:38 Speaker 4: are talking about his age of disclosure.

58:39 Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't have that. They're going to cut a deal.

58:41 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure they're gonna put it on.

58:43 Speaker 4: Yeah. I'm not well, I yeah, but you got you guys.

58:49 Speaker 4: The World premieres five of them. I am so like,

58:52 Speaker 4: there's so much going on. I mean, you see here

58:55 Speaker 4: just in the front rows, right, Josh Gates, Ross Coltart, doctor,

59:00 Speaker 4: Diane Hennessy Powell, George Nori Like legendary, George Knapp, legendary,

59:05 Speaker 4: Jimmy Church, legendary, Danny she and ab V Low, Richard Dolan,

59:10 Speaker 4: Linda Willnow, I mean, Carolyn Corey, Whitley Streem, Thomas Jane,

59:14 Speaker 4: the Punisher, right. The Punisher.

59:18 Speaker 1: Punisher is very, very knowledgeable on this topic. I really

59:22 Speaker 1: really genuinely like him as a person. Yes, And we

59:24 Speaker 1: find him very knowledgeable, and I like his take on

59:28 Speaker 1: this whole thing.

59:29 Speaker 4: You know, him and I at contact in the desert.

59:34 Speaker 4: Him and I are peeling off for a minute because

59:37 Speaker 4: I'm interviewing it. We were I was already set to

59:39 Speaker 4: interview him for a documentary I'm doing. But he's really

59:44 Speaker 4: not knowledgeable about the Pasco Gula event. Are you familiar?

59:48 Speaker 1: Are you familiar? Well?

59:51 Speaker 4: Yeah, so let's just say I'm working on something and

59:55 Speaker 4: it may or may not be about Pastaula. I don't know.

59:59 Speaker 4: I can't really to say one way or the other.

1:00:01 Speaker 4: But Thomas Jane, uh, he's super knowledgeable and this people

1:00:06 Speaker 4: think actors and people in Hollywood that they don't have

1:00:10 Speaker 4: connected in reality. But that's like the furthest thing from

1:00:14 Speaker 4: the case.

1:00:15 Speaker 1: A lot of people coming out to talk about this. Now,

1:00:17 Speaker 1: Sammy hagar head a UFO experience, there's there's there's tons

1:00:20 Speaker 1: of guys here. Did you how often I hear it?

1:00:24 Speaker 4: Yeah? What's his name? Morpheus? The guy who plays Morpheus?

1:00:28 Speaker 1: And oh yeah, Laurence Fishbourne.

1:00:31 Speaker 4: Laurence Fishburne, thank you. He was in an interview and

1:00:34 Speaker 4: he was like, I'm pretty sure aliens walk among us.

1:00:38 Speaker 4: And he points out the interviewer and he's like, and

1:00:41 Speaker 4: you probably know you know someone that's just a little

1:00:45 Speaker 4: bit off, like you know, and.

1:00:47 Speaker 1: And the way you know a lot of people that

1:00:49 Speaker 1: are just a little bit off. But that doesn't mean

1:00:51 Speaker 1: I think they're alien.

1:00:52 Speaker 4: Yeah, but you know what I mean. So, but even

1:00:55 Speaker 4: people like him or saying stuff.

1:00:58 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's there's a lot more people we're comfortable talking

1:01:00 Speaker 1: about it now, and that's good to see.

1:01:02 Speaker 4: Yeah, Sarah Brestman caused me, she's gonna be hypnotizing me.

1:01:07 Speaker 4: That's gonna be amazing. Nick Pope for the Ministry of Defense,

1:01:12 Speaker 4: the UK Ministry of Defense. Obviously, Chris Bledsoe, we spoke

1:01:14 Speaker 4: about Alexis Brooks, William Henry, amazing, Uh, Tracy Dolan, Richard Dolan,

1:01:20 Speaker 4: I think we already said Jason Martel, another friend of mine,

1:01:23 Speaker 4: Mark D'Antonio, Adam Curry, Stephen Bassett. I'm gonna stop right

1:01:27 Speaker 4: there for a moment. I mean, just in those four

1:01:30 Speaker 4: or five rows man you have, you have you have

1:01:35 Speaker 4: heavy hit or after heavy hit or after it's just

1:01:39 Speaker 4: it's just David Ortiz, after David Ortiz, after David Orties in.

1:01:43 Speaker 1: The line at lineup. We all have These people are

1:01:45 Speaker 1: super quality. We really, we really think we have. Just

1:01:48 Speaker 1: we're just so lucky and and they're all so generous

1:01:51 Speaker 1: to come and participate and and and we love it.

1:01:54 Speaker 1: There's your buddy.

1:01:56 Speaker 4: Yeah, there's my buddy, Bob Salas. I'm interviewing Ryan Wood tomorrow.

1:02:01 Speaker 4: Rizwan is a is a great person to talk to.

1:02:04 Speaker 1: You. Talks about the simulated universe, and and we speculate

1:02:07 Speaker 1: whether or not we are living in a computer simulation. Yeah,

1:02:10 Speaker 1: there's a wide diversity of topics that are covered.

1:02:15 Speaker 4: I mean, oh yeah, and all these people, you know,

1:02:17 Speaker 4: every single one of them is different from from you know,

1:02:23 Speaker 4: the next one. They're not. No one is a carbon

1:02:25 Speaker 4: copy of of anyone. Right.

1:02:28 Speaker 1: That part is there's the filmmakers. We've got Ron James

1:02:31 Speaker 1: with a brand new film. He's doing part.

1:02:33 Speaker 4: Two of his Accidental Truth. Uh, Part two is gonna

1:02:36 Speaker 4: ja yep, Oh wow, I I should talk to Rod.

1:02:40 Speaker 4: I he's a very good friend. And James Fox is

1:02:45 Speaker 4: a good friend.

1:02:46 Speaker 1: Uh.

1:02:47 Speaker 4: Everyone, Dan Rarey is a good friend. And now you

1:02:49 Speaker 4: know you're a good friend. You're gonna be. You're gonna

1:02:51 Speaker 4: become a good friend. It's gonna be, you know.

1:02:53 Speaker 1: Playing both of his uh short docs, they're one hour

1:02:56 Speaker 1: each and they are awesome. Dean Dean is you know,

1:02:59 Speaker 1: it's world premiering Part two. Part one is out right now,

1:03:03 Speaker 1: it's outstanding.

1:03:05 Speaker 4: The Alien perspective, he takes a look at this phenomenon

1:03:11 Speaker 4: from the alien perspective, which is a really unique, great take.

1:03:15 Speaker 1: And Part two, he says, is going to be even

1:03:17 Speaker 1: better than Part one, and we can't. Wow, it's going

1:03:19 Speaker 1: to be. There's just so many great things happening.

1:03:23 Speaker 4: Yeah, there, I mean again, And to anyone I didn't mention,

1:03:25 Speaker 4: obviously that's not but to anyone who wants can people

1:03:30 Speaker 4: still get tickets right now?

1:03:32 Speaker 1: Absolutely? Of course absolutely?

1:03:35 Speaker 4: Is it something that can sell out? Techniquely? Yeah, I

1:03:39 Speaker 4: can right technically kind of in a.

1:03:42 Speaker 1: Gray area there because it's a hotel, not everybody's there.

1:03:44 Speaker 1: At the same time, we now have one day passes.

1:03:48 Speaker 1: There are certain people that like from La who have

1:03:51 Speaker 1: told me like, look, I just can't go because of

1:03:54 Speaker 1: my job. I can't. So they're going to come out

1:03:56 Speaker 1: just Saturday Sunday. They bought to one day passes so

1:03:59 Speaker 1: it's not everybody there every day, you know, it's it's yeah,

1:04:02 Speaker 1: it's some of that going on.

1:04:05 Speaker 4: I like to say it's like Woodstock meets Alien. I

1:04:10 Speaker 4: don't mean to say Alien, Colm, but it's it's like

1:04:13 Speaker 4: Woodstock that style, like over multiple days. It's this big,

1:04:17 Speaker 4: like festival type thing. But it's also a very very informative, engaging,

1:04:26 Speaker 4: insightful way to connect with these people that seem you know,

1:04:31 Speaker 4: I've looked up to Steve Bassett for thirty twenty years

1:04:36 Speaker 4: and then you know, he's a friend of mine now

1:04:38 Speaker 4: and I get to interact with him and they're you

1:04:41 Speaker 4: know you.

1:04:42 Speaker 1: That's the best part overall. The best part is that

1:04:45 Speaker 1: it's so much fun. Everybody at the end, Hey, what'd

1:04:47 Speaker 1: you think? Oh? I had so much fun. Oh I

1:04:48 Speaker 1: had so much fun. It's fun. There's a lot of

1:04:51 Speaker 1: different things to do. It's a lot of fun. It's educational,

1:04:55 Speaker 1: it's mind opening, and it's the interaction. It's interaction with

1:05:00 Speaker 1: the other attendees, it's interaction with the speakers. It's just

1:05:04 Speaker 1: so much fun to get an opportunity to talk to

1:05:06 Speaker 1: these how many of these great minds in the same

1:05:09 Speaker 1: room at the same time and you can interact with them.

1:05:12 Speaker 1: I mean, how often have an opportunity like that?

1:05:14 Speaker 4: And that's why I said, asked that question earlier to

1:05:17 Speaker 4: you is like, you know, do you think if disclosure

1:05:21 Speaker 4: is not going to come from Washington? I mean, it

1:05:25 Speaker 4: might come from events like this.

1:05:27 Speaker 1: Well, no, I see, it depends. Everybody has a different

1:05:29 Speaker 1: definition of disclosure. If you're an experiencer, you don't need disclosure.

1:05:34 Speaker 1: You're saying this is real. I know it's real, and

1:05:38 Speaker 1: that's the end of the story. You don't need disclosure.

1:05:40 Speaker 1: And there are other people who are very skeptical. And

1:05:43 Speaker 1: even if they disclosed, if China came out tomorrow and disclosed,

1:05:46 Speaker 1: or Brazil came out tomorrow and said this is real,

1:05:50 Speaker 1: there's a segment of the population in America that would

1:05:52 Speaker 1: not believe it. One hundred percent would not believe it. No,

1:05:55 Speaker 1: it's not true. And the political situation in America is

1:06:00 Speaker 1: so polar. Absolutely, our president released it to be a

1:06:03 Speaker 1: popular segment of the population who wouldn't believe it anyway

1:06:08 Speaker 1: in the ship, you know what I mean. So until

1:06:10 Speaker 1: we have some landmark event like that big d government disclosure, Uh,

1:06:16 Speaker 1: it's going to vary for for each individual and there

1:06:20 Speaker 1: are some people that just won't accept it or won't

1:06:22 Speaker 1: believe it, or think it's something else, or think they're lying.

1:06:25 Speaker 1: You know, it's just that's one of those kind of topics,

1:06:28 Speaker 1: and it's just the way it did.

1:06:29 Speaker 4: So, I don't know if you've ever thought about this.

1:06:32 Speaker 4: I maybe I'm gonna get you. Maybe I'm gonna get

1:06:35 Speaker 4: you here just with the with a question you maybe

1:06:38 Speaker 4: maybe you've never been asked. All right, so we know

1:06:44 Speaker 4: that like guys like um, so, I can't remember.

1:06:52 Speaker 1: The fastest land mammal is because it's the cheetah, and

1:06:55 Speaker 1: I have been asked that before.

1:06:56 Speaker 4: So damn it.

1:06:58 Speaker 1: Where you're going?

1:06:59 Speaker 4: No? No, but yeah, no, that was the question. You

1:07:03 Speaker 4: actually ruined the whole podcast. No, I'm just kidding.

1:07:07 Speaker 1: I do this every podcast I go on. It's basically

1:07:09 Speaker 1: that's another clip. Jamie cut that one out too. On

1:07:12 Speaker 1: you've basically ruined the entire podcast. These are two good things.

1:07:16 Speaker 1: I want to put this on a real.

1:07:18 Speaker 4: I'll send it to you. I will send it to you. No,

1:07:21 Speaker 4: but so, like, do you ever think about obviously this

1:07:25 Speaker 4: being the all the most amazing personalities and speakers and

1:07:30 Speaker 4: people in the field and uphology are there. Do you

1:07:33 Speaker 4: ever think that like out there in the crowd, like

1:07:36 Speaker 4: someone from the government sit there watching.

1:07:38 Speaker 1: And like, well, we have had confirmation before from people

1:07:42 Speaker 1: that that there were people there that have come to

1:07:45 Speaker 1: kind of over.

1:07:46 Speaker 4: There maybe trying to red team you like, because.

1:07:49 Speaker 1: Well, you know, it's just like you know, these are

1:07:50 Speaker 1: people that that would know. And I just think that

1:07:53 Speaker 1: why wouldn't they see what do people know right now?

1:07:56 Speaker 1: I mean, it just makes sense, you know. I think

1:07:59 Speaker 1: a lot of times Arrow, for example, when they're asking

1:08:03 Speaker 1: these guys give us all your information, tell us what

1:08:06 Speaker 1: you know, I think they don't really want to compile

1:08:08 Speaker 1: that and give it to the people. They want to

1:08:11 Speaker 1: see what we know. And I think that that's really

1:08:16 Speaker 1: the intention of Arrow. I think it's just as much

1:08:19 Speaker 1: nonsense and corrupt as any of the other Project Blue Book,

1:08:22 Speaker 1: Grind Sign and all of those have ever been. I

1:08:25 Speaker 1: just think it's complete nonsense, and because we've heard too

1:08:27 Speaker 1: many personal accounts, first hand accounts that were given to

1:08:31 Speaker 1: that organization, and then they come out and say we

1:08:33 Speaker 1: have no credible proof whatsoever. Really, what if Bob tell

1:08:37 Speaker 1: us say to you, he told you that he was

1:08:39 Speaker 1: this position at the nuclear site and this happened and

1:08:42 Speaker 1: you have nothing. Now, why couldn't they have softened that up?

1:08:45 Speaker 1: And if they would have at least said, well, it's

1:08:48 Speaker 1: not definitively alien, that's a fair argument. It could have

1:08:52 Speaker 1: been some technology that Russia has that we haven't, thinking

1:08:56 Speaker 1: that's a fair thing, and then they're you win. But

1:09:00 Speaker 1: it's completely disingenuous to say that we have no evidence

1:09:04 Speaker 1: whatsoever that any of this could be extraterrestrial. Any of

1:09:06 Speaker 1: this could be anything. Come on, people have that. Danny

1:09:11 Speaker 1: Shehan has told you that, Bob Sallas has told you that,

1:09:15 Speaker 1: we've heard any of other people that have given information

1:09:17 Speaker 1: to Arrow. Arrow knows things, and you know, I just

1:09:23 Speaker 1: think it's obviously garbage.

1:09:24 Speaker 4: And some of the guys like Sallas and Jacobs and

1:09:28 Speaker 4: Mario Woods another guy, he was an MP at Ellsworth.

1:09:32 Speaker 4: I'm not sure if you're familiar with this story, but

1:09:35 Speaker 4: he he's another one who is on a nuclear base

1:09:39 Speaker 4: responding to a Have you heard Mario Woods's case? I have, Yeah,

1:09:44 Speaker 4: so you know it, but for anyone listening maybe doesn't watching.

1:09:49 Speaker 4: He responded on Ellsworth Air Force basis a military police

1:09:53 Speaker 4: officer uh to a nuclear silo and upon arrival, he

1:10:00 Speaker 4: observed a school bus size gaseous ball just hovering over

1:10:05 Speaker 4: November five, which is a missile launch silo, and the

1:10:11 Speaker 4: atmosphere got really thick in the truck and his partner

1:10:16 Speaker 4: was in like a comatose. He goes under. They're taken

1:10:20 Speaker 4: aboard the ship is allegedly well, that happens next, and

1:10:25 Speaker 4: then dropped off like twenty twenty miles away facing a cliff,

1:10:32 Speaker 4: and that's where they're found. That's where they're eventually found

1:10:36 Speaker 4: after by their colleagues. So the guys like him and

1:10:41 Speaker 4: Bob's Alice, they recorded themselves testifying to Arrow, so we know,

1:10:46 Speaker 4: for I know, I have Bob Slice is recording to Arrow.

1:10:50 Speaker 4: I've heard it. I know for a fact he's testified

1:10:54 Speaker 4: to Arrow. I know Mario Woods is testified to Arrow

1:10:57 Speaker 4: because I've heard it. And for them to come out

1:11:01 Speaker 4: and say that, do you, isn't that not a slap

1:11:03 Speaker 4: in the face to everybody who's.

1:11:04 Speaker 1: Sung genuous And I really it just really hurts because

1:11:07 Speaker 1: when it first came out, I thought, well, this is

1:11:09 Speaker 1: a great idea. It would be wonderful to have something.

1:11:11 Speaker 1: And in today's society, maybe they have moved past these

1:11:15 Speaker 1: old programs, but it just shows you it's the same

1:11:17 Speaker 1: old story. So that's very disappointing.

1:11:20 Speaker 4: Stabled Song and Dance, Captain Stable Song and Dance, just

1:11:25 Speaker 4: and that's you know.

1:11:26 Speaker 1: Uh.

1:11:27 Speaker 4: Jacques Valas is someone who I find very very interesting

1:11:33 Speaker 4: myself because he talks about his you know, his theory

1:11:38 Speaker 4: about how it's the name has just simply been changed

1:11:42 Speaker 4: throughout the ages, right from fairy to God to you know, UFO,

1:11:49 Speaker 4: and in.

1:11:49 Speaker 1: Union does that as well. Whitley points that out. He'll

1:11:52 Speaker 1: read an account from someone who has an experience with

1:11:54 Speaker 1: a little bang with giant eyes, and they said it

1:11:57 Speaker 1: was a fairy who came down from the trees. And

1:11:59 Speaker 1: then you read another account it's from this a spaceman

1:12:02 Speaker 1: that came down from the sky. It's all people using

1:12:05 Speaker 1: their lens. I mean, this goes on throughout written history.

1:12:09 Speaker 1: You know. In Islamic traditions, there's this the gin they

1:12:13 Speaker 1: call it, that they have experiences with these other beings.

1:12:16 Speaker 1: So you know, and then and then there are a

1:12:18 Speaker 1: lot of people that believe this does tie into the afterlife.

1:12:22 Speaker 1: There's this whole thing. Whitley's one of them that believes somehow,

1:12:26 Speaker 1: you know, our soul or the afterlife somehow ties to

1:12:30 Speaker 1: this phenomenon. And this may be another reason if the

1:12:33 Speaker 1: government does in fact know these things, that maybe it's

1:12:36 Speaker 1: not coming out because it's way more involved, right people

1:12:41 Speaker 1: think it is. It's not this simple nuts and bolts

1:12:44 Speaker 1: spacecraft flying across the galaxy to get here. It could

1:12:47 Speaker 1: be far more complicated and far more scary, and far

1:12:50 Speaker 1: more involved, and therefore it's more so in their best

1:12:55 Speaker 1: interest not to ever release this. It's it's tough because

1:12:59 Speaker 1: we'll never know.

1:13:00 Speaker 4: You know, do you give any credence to stories like

1:13:06 Speaker 4: the halom and Air Force landing and Air Force base landing,

1:13:10 Speaker 4: and you know, Eisenhower potentially even beating.

1:13:16 Speaker 1: I have fun with all of these. I have fun

1:13:18 Speaker 1: with you know, Nixon took took Jackie Gleason to go

1:13:22 Speaker 1: see an alien body.

1:13:23 Speaker 4: You know, I mean, yes, yep, yep.

1:13:26 Speaker 1: Story so bizarre like that, it's got to be true,

1:13:29 Speaker 1: you know, I don't know. Obviously, these things are unknowable.

1:13:33 Speaker 1: That's that's the big challenge here. All of this is unknowable,

1:13:36 Speaker 1: and it is fascinating to think about, and there is

1:13:41 Speaker 1: a lot of smoke around these things. This goes back

1:13:43 Speaker 1: to the you don't drive down the four or five

1:13:46 Speaker 1: with forty cops behind you because there's a lot of

1:13:49 Speaker 1: smoke here.

1:13:50 Speaker 4: Man.

1:13:50 Speaker 1: Uh, there is a lot of things that point that

1:13:55 Speaker 1: those documents and those stories are real. Yes, but it

1:14:00 Speaker 1: does certainly feel that way. And and one person of

1:14:03 Speaker 1: everything we're talking about is real, then there you go.

1:14:06 Speaker 1: And we always say this too, you need one case.

1:14:09 Speaker 1: You know, you've got a million people claiming to have

1:14:10 Speaker 1: had this experience. Well, if one of them is real,

1:14:14 Speaker 1: and it just does not compute for me to believe

1:14:17 Speaker 1: that that many. Sure, some people want to hoax. Sure

1:14:21 Speaker 1: there's misinformation, there's misidentification, there's intentional disinformation. I believe all

1:14:28 Speaker 1: of that. If one of these cats is being serious,

1:14:32 Speaker 1: that's we have a real phenomenon here.

1:14:35 Speaker 4: So and and that and and and that's another thing.

1:14:38 Speaker 4: You know, we we we know now obviously from psychologists

1:14:44 Speaker 4: and YadA YadA, that witness testimony can.

1:14:46 Speaker 1: Offer YadA YadA.

1:14:48 Speaker 4: Well from you know, psychologists and people the quote unquote

1:14:53 Speaker 4: experts in the human mind, but they will not talk

1:14:56 Speaker 4: about consciousness at all. But they're the experts in the

1:15:00 Speaker 4: human mind and psychology. That's why I say, YadA YadA,

1:15:03 Speaker 4: because I really do.

1:15:04 Speaker 1: That's weird because they don't want to be wrong and

1:15:06 Speaker 1: it's and to me, that's just so weird. I wish

1:15:08 Speaker 1: we would just drop all our egos in this. It's

1:15:10 Speaker 1: like this is bigger than us.

1:15:12 Speaker 4: Everyone needs to go on like an ayahuasca journey and just.

1:15:15 Speaker 1: Get yes, get humble, and let's get real and let's

1:15:20 Speaker 1: find out what's really happening. My whole thing, the whole

1:15:23 Speaker 1: thing for me, this whole deal is I really want

1:15:27 Speaker 1: to know before I die some of these answers. And

1:15:30 Speaker 1: it's really fun to me. As we get a little

1:15:32 Speaker 1: bit closer, we get another little piece and even something

1:15:35 Speaker 1: as simple as synchronicities can be so profound in life

1:15:39 Speaker 1: that that's what it's all about. I think that's part

1:15:41 Speaker 1: of the human experience that we should all be aspiring to.

1:15:45 Speaker 4: Life is about what is life if not experience just

1:15:51 Speaker 4: just compendium and compile compilation of experience, and you know,

1:15:59 Speaker 4: it's it's it's amazing, Like I said that in the

1:16:02 Speaker 4: beginning of this conversation, the fact that we're even able

1:16:05 Speaker 4: to have this conversation to ponder these thoughts, it's a

1:16:08 Speaker 4: miracle in itself. And when you start really thinking about

1:16:14 Speaker 4: the miracle of life and the conditions and you know,

1:16:17 Speaker 4: everything that had to go right for you to even

1:16:20 Speaker 4: be here, let alone the human race, let alone, you know.

1:16:24 Speaker 1: Right, that's incredible. This this this formula that created life

1:16:29 Speaker 1: on earth is just there's so many of these things

1:16:31 Speaker 1: that on their own are these fascinating things. You know,

1:16:35 Speaker 1: you said that thing about life is made up of experiences.

1:16:38 Speaker 1: There was a guy that wrote a book and he

1:16:40 Speaker 1: interviewed people, and I think they had to be ninety.

1:16:44 Speaker 1: They had to be at least ninety for him to

1:16:46 Speaker 1: interview them. And he interviewed them, and all of them

1:16:48 Speaker 1: said that, yes, the whole point of life is to

1:16:51 Speaker 1: have these great experiences, and then when you're older, you

1:16:54 Speaker 1: can you know, recall those experiences and still enjoy them,

1:17:00 Speaker 1: which I think is right.

1:17:02 Speaker 4: I don't know if this ever happens to you, but

1:17:07 Speaker 4: I have these like certain memories that when I think

1:17:12 Speaker 4: about them, I can almost immerse myself in the moment

1:17:16 Speaker 4: and it's almost like this personal Like we talk about

1:17:20 Speaker 4: time travel, right, but I feel like I can somewhat

1:17:26 Speaker 4: time travel to these certain moments where I get it's

1:17:31 Speaker 4: almost like I'm there again, and they give you these

1:17:34 Speaker 4: over like when a song comes over you and it

1:17:37 Speaker 4: reminds you of something and it brings you back to

1:17:40 Speaker 4: that moment for a minute, like is that not time travel?

1:17:43 Speaker 4: And it's like, is that your not your consciousness?

1:17:45 Speaker 1: Certainly the perception of it. Absolutely. And you know, you

1:17:48 Speaker 1: hear this from older people that a song takes them

1:17:50 Speaker 1: back to when they were fifteen and they met that

1:17:53 Speaker 1: girl or whatever, and that's awesome. And a lot of

1:17:55 Speaker 1: people have these experiences and music is one of the

1:17:58 Speaker 1: crews for people. I agree.

1:18:01 Speaker 4: And what's the word right for music? Muse it comes

1:18:05 Speaker 4: from the ether, right, You know, the.

1:18:07 Speaker 1: Stories of people who have had a profound event like

1:18:09 Speaker 1: a car accident, where time slows down and they can

1:18:12 Speaker 1: see that whole thing in It was two seconds, but

1:18:15 Speaker 1: it plays out like in an hour because it's so

1:18:19 Speaker 1: slowed down and you see the thing float by. You know.

1:18:22 Speaker 4: I had a movie. I had an idea for a

1:18:24 Speaker 4: movie that I wanted to write. This was actually one

1:18:27 Speaker 4: of my first scripts that I wanted to write. Was

1:18:31 Speaker 4: you know they say time, you know, slows down right

1:18:34 Speaker 4: before you're about to die. Well, I wanted the movie,

1:18:38 Speaker 4: the entire movie would just be what this person sees

1:18:42 Speaker 4: flash before their eyes, and obviously you'd grow attached to

1:18:45 Speaker 4: the person throughout the film because like you'd see there,

1:18:48 Speaker 4: you wouldn't just see their best moments, You'd see their

1:18:50 Speaker 4: weakest moments, their most vulnerable moments, all the things that

1:18:54 Speaker 4: made impacts and from their first kiss to their first

1:18:58 Speaker 4: time get stealing or doing something wrong, going.

1:19:02 Speaker 1: Great idea for a film. Actually, I love that.

1:19:04 Speaker 4: Right, And then at the end, at the end, it

1:19:06 Speaker 4: just speeds up and the guy dies, right, and that's

1:19:09 Speaker 4: the end. But near death experiences is also something that

1:19:15 Speaker 4: people come back and report, like I watched I turned

1:19:20 Speaker 4: around and my body was right there and I was

1:19:23 Speaker 4: in this ethereal place. What does that sound like to you?

1:19:27 Speaker 1: I think it's fascinating. There's also these things of often

1:19:31 Speaker 1: associated with near death is the out of body experience.

1:19:34 Speaker 1: And you hear these accounts where somebody floaded above their

1:19:37 Speaker 1: body on the operating table and then they saw something

1:19:41 Speaker 1: that was on top of the shelf that you couldn't

1:19:43 Speaker 1: see unless you were, you know, thirty feet in the

1:19:46 Speaker 1: air above and how else does that happen? I think

1:19:50 Speaker 1: these are all incredible accounts, and they all right, they're

1:19:53 Speaker 1: all a piece of this Jean puzzle, or.

1:19:57 Speaker 4: There was that one in Leslie Keane's surviving death where

1:20:00 Speaker 4: uh the lady saw the saw the doctor like put

1:20:04 Speaker 4: his leg up on the on the operating table to

1:20:08 Speaker 4: leverage himself a little bit. And then she she comes too,

1:20:13 Speaker 4: and she's recovering the recovery room and she asked the

1:20:15 Speaker 4: doctor like, hey, why did you you know do that?

1:20:19 Speaker 4: And he was like, what the how would you know?

1:20:23 Speaker 4: How would you you were you were unconscious at that time,

1:20:29 Speaker 4: how would you know that? So those moments are are

1:20:32 Speaker 4: my girlfriend? Is that? She?

1:20:34 Speaker 2: She?

1:20:35 Speaker 4: I always say claims because I was not there, but

1:20:38 Speaker 4: she says that she had a near death experience. I

1:20:40 Speaker 4: believe her, And I mean, again, you you kind of

1:20:46 Speaker 4: said it earlier. It's like for those people to disclosure

1:20:50 Speaker 4: doesn't matter. It's they know somethings. They know something that

1:20:55 Speaker 4: others don't. They know something that others don't. And you know,

1:21:01 Speaker 4: I think, I think what you're doing as a person

1:21:05 Speaker 4: in this community, you know, uh, maybe you're you're maybe

1:21:10 Speaker 4: your destiny was to assemble the the most profound individuals

1:21:18 Speaker 4: who are taking the most leaps, taking the most most risk,

1:21:26 Speaker 4: and you're bringing them under one roof to talk to

1:21:29 Speaker 4: people and network with them on a very personal one

1:21:33 Speaker 4: on not not one on one basis, but a very

1:21:35 Speaker 4: very engaging intensive workshops plat, you know, lectures, all these things.

1:21:43 Speaker 4: So maybe that's just your that's your destiny.

1:21:47 Speaker 1: Maybe it's just I'm very very lucky and blessed that

1:21:50 Speaker 1: I have this and and these team that's around us.

1:21:52 Speaker 1: I mean, we we just it just feels preordained. And

1:21:57 Speaker 1: I'm not somebody that that feels that way about things

1:22:00 Speaker 1: typically in life. So I find it remarkable how all

1:22:04 Speaker 1: of this sort of came together and how it is

1:22:07 Speaker 1: playing out, and and we don't again, we don't want

1:22:10 Speaker 1: to be heavy handed in it. We just kind of

1:22:12 Speaker 1: want to be there and nudge it along and let

1:22:14 Speaker 1: it kind of happen on its own, and contacts become

1:22:18 Speaker 1: very important for a lot of people, and us included.

1:22:22 Speaker 1: We think of ourselves as attendees as much as anybody else.

1:22:26 Speaker 1: I mean, we want to bring these guys together and

1:22:29 Speaker 1: learn everything we can. I just want to get to

1:22:31 Speaker 1: the answers are closer. It feels great to learn these

1:22:35 Speaker 1: things or these new stories. Even these stories are fascinating

1:22:38 Speaker 1: and fun. It's way more interesting to me than the

1:22:41 Speaker 1: day to day mundane stuff. I don't care what Colling

1:22:45 Speaker 1: for right now. I do care that somebody had this

1:22:48 Speaker 1: crazy experience or you know, you ever hear that the

1:22:51 Speaker 1: third Man syndrome where the guy was walking down the

1:22:55 Speaker 1: stairs in in the trade center when it's collapsing, Yeah,

1:23:00 Speaker 1: he felt an arm grab him and pull him and

1:23:02 Speaker 1: there was nobody there. That to me, Wow, there's a

1:23:06 Speaker 1: life experience. You're gonna forget that now. He's gonna remember

1:23:09 Speaker 1: that forever.

1:23:10 Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's going to be the story he tells

1:23:13 Speaker 4: every single time at the bar, every single time, to

1:23:17 Speaker 4: every single part unless at least that's how it is now.

1:23:22 Speaker 4: But you know, a big problem I think is like

1:23:25 Speaker 4: the people back in the Okay, I sound like a

1:23:28 Speaker 4: weirdo right now, but you know, after World War One,

1:23:31 Speaker 4: after World War two, like the world was a very

1:23:35 Speaker 4: raw place and people were very patriotic, and you know,

1:23:39 Speaker 4: back then it was a different time. Like men, you know,

1:23:43 Speaker 4: they weren't supposed to show vulnerability or weakness or talk

1:23:47 Speaker 4: about things that they didn't understand, you know, and there

1:23:51 Speaker 4: was this like environment that was fostered. I'm not saying

1:23:54 Speaker 4: it was wrong, it was just a different time, and

1:23:57 Speaker 4: I think now the world's so connect did and how

1:24:01 Speaker 4: far we've come. I think the dynamics are changing where

1:24:05 Speaker 4: people are. If they're having experiences, they're more likely to

1:24:08 Speaker 4: tell them now than they were sixty seventy years ago.

1:24:12 Speaker 1: One hundred percent. And no doubt about it that people

1:24:14 Speaker 1: that are younger, there's just this instilled thing forget about

1:24:18 Speaker 1: an extraordinary experience like a UFO siting or contact, the

1:24:21 Speaker 1: experience just your life. If you're twenty, you put your

1:24:25 Speaker 1: whole life on Facebook or social media. Now anyway, where

1:24:28 Speaker 1: older people kept everything private and it was just sort

1:24:33 Speaker 1: of the way it was. It's a different world than

1:24:36 Speaker 1: a different time. You know, in nineteen forty seven, everybody

1:24:40 Speaker 1: trusted everything the government said. Yeah, that was sort of

1:24:43 Speaker 1: the way of the world. They just didn't really anything

1:24:46 Speaker 1: they hear from the government. And that's just the way

1:24:48 Speaker 1: the world is now. So these things evolve and these

1:24:51 Speaker 1: things change, and you know, good, bad, or indifferent, that

1:24:56 Speaker 1: is what's happening. And I do find it probably or

1:25:00 Speaker 1: the better in this sense that people are open about

1:25:03 Speaker 1: talking about their personal absolutely sharing. You know, it's interesting.

1:25:08 Speaker 4: Let me, uh, let me ask you a couple these

1:25:10 Speaker 4: are gonna be a little bit more lighthearted questions as

1:25:12 Speaker 4: we round out. I don't want to take up too

1:25:15 Speaker 4: much more of your time. You. This has been so

1:25:17 Speaker 4: fun just having conversation with you.

1:25:18 Speaker 1: Man.

1:25:20 Speaker 4: This is.

1:25:22 Speaker 1: And put the feet.

1:25:25 Speaker 4: When when the conference happens, we will have to we'll

1:25:29 Speaker 4: have to sit down again and and do something, you know,

1:25:32 Speaker 4: as a group, even if you know, I know you're

1:25:35 Speaker 4: gonna be busy, and that kind of leads me into

1:25:37 Speaker 4: this this question is is it hot? It's got to

1:25:43 Speaker 4: be a little bit of do you feel a little pressure,

1:25:46 Speaker 4: like is it is it a very Do you feel

1:25:48 Speaker 4: that pressure? Is there a pressure that's put on you?

1:25:50 Speaker 4: Do you think that you know, I'm overwhelmed with work.

1:25:54 Speaker 1: I mean we're very, very busy, but I don't I

1:25:56 Speaker 1: don't feel pressure. I mean I feel like, you know what.

1:26:00 Speaker 1: I always tell there's like three or four of us

1:26:04 Speaker 1: that work on this every day, all day, every day,

1:26:06 Speaker 1: and I always tell them, you know, don't worry about

1:26:08 Speaker 1: this outside nonsense that's happening. I never look at social

1:26:11 Speaker 1: I never look at review and never look at any

1:26:14 Speaker 1: of any of it. Put your head down, do this

1:26:17 Speaker 1: with genuine integrity, do the best you can be genuine

1:26:21 Speaker 1: in it and let everything else fall into place, and

1:26:23 Speaker 1: that so far has worked for us, so I don't

1:26:26 Speaker 1: want us to deviate from that. And I don't think

1:26:29 Speaker 1: having an ego in this or having any sort of

1:26:34 Speaker 1: over controlling. You know, if a speaker decides they can't

1:26:37 Speaker 1: make it, they can't make it, that's fine. Look at

1:26:38 Speaker 1: someone else, it's fine. We just want this to be

1:26:42 Speaker 1: do the right thing for the right reasons. This is

1:26:44 Speaker 1: a very genuine group, you know, and we all feel

1:26:50 Speaker 1: that way, and we just want to do this with

1:26:52 Speaker 1: integrity and hopefully people continue to get as much out

1:26:56 Speaker 1: of it as we have. And others have claimed to

1:26:59 Speaker 1: have had the reviews we get, which are just so

1:27:02 Speaker 1: heartfelt and great. They're like, oh my god, this changed

1:27:04 Speaker 1: my life. I had so much fun and I learned

1:27:06 Speaker 1: this and now I have an interest in this, and

1:27:08 Speaker 1: now I have an interest in that, and now I

1:27:10 Speaker 1: told my mom this story and she ended up having

1:27:12 Speaker 1: this experience and all of that is just great. And

1:27:15 Speaker 1: that's what it's all about, man, That's what that's that's

1:27:19 Speaker 1: what it's all about. Man.

1:27:21 Speaker 4: You you you hit the you hit it on the head.

1:27:23 Speaker 4: There if if a UFO landed at contact in the

1:27:30 Speaker 4: desert twenty twenty five.

1:27:32 Speaker 1: We're planning on that, by the way, but no promises.

1:27:36 Speaker 1: I can't guarantee it.

1:27:38 Speaker 4: But if it did, if a UFO landed at contact

1:27:41 Speaker 4: in the desert or event horizon through what May ninth, thirtieth,

1:27:47 Speaker 4: first or second, if a UFO landed, who would you

1:27:52 Speaker 4: want to be the representative speaking for humanity? Because you

1:27:56 Speaker 4: have all the most amazing people here, is uh? Him

1:28:03 Speaker 4: a round of applause.

1:28:04 Speaker 1: I show all the time. And beyond contact on coast

1:28:06 Speaker 1: to coast, we we we talk about this all the time.

1:28:09 Speaker 1: Danny Shehan is in my view, one of the very

1:28:15 Speaker 1: most important people in our community and is doing the

1:28:17 Speaker 1: most and probably knows as much as anybody.

1:28:20 Speaker 4: And is uh, I'm so glad you said that.

1:28:24 Speaker 1: I think he's come up with a list of things.

1:28:26 Speaker 1: Somebody asked him recently. Uh you see what suggest for

1:28:31 Speaker 1: to ask uh first contact? And he has his list

1:28:35 Speaker 1: ready to go. So that's the guy. I wouldn't know

1:28:38 Speaker 1: what to say, you know. I'd be like, uh, no,

1:28:41 Speaker 1: you're so, You're right. I'll try to make some stupid joke,

1:28:44 Speaker 1: is probably what I would do.

1:28:46 Speaker 4: But I so I actually when I when I was

1:28:49 Speaker 4: writing this question, I wrote my own and I picked

1:28:52 Speaker 4: Danny she so it knows. It's good to know that

1:28:57 Speaker 4: we think alike, you know, I I I that makes me.

1:29:01 Speaker 4: That makes me smile because I was like, it's gotta

1:29:03 Speaker 4: be Dan, because I mean, he's been saying listen, guys,

1:29:08 Speaker 4: I think what you want about Daniel Shean that because he,

1:29:11 Speaker 4: you know, represents this guy or is represented this person.

1:29:15 Speaker 4: Danny has been telling you the JFK story for the

1:29:20 Speaker 4: last ten years. He's been telling you exactly what happened,

1:29:24 Speaker 4: exactly how it happened, exactly how he knows. And now

1:29:27 Speaker 4: it's coming out that it's exactly what he said.

1:29:31 Speaker 1: And he dropped the name of that at contact in

1:29:34 Speaker 1: the desert last year for the first time ever. Yeah,

1:29:36 Speaker 1: it is one of these contact things.

1:29:39 Speaker 4: So there it is right. These moments happened, and they

1:29:43 Speaker 4: wouldn't happen otherwise. And that's why I think these big

1:29:48 Speaker 4: you know, these big personalities that you're bringing there. Guys

1:29:50 Speaker 4: like George Knapp, you know, George, George and Jeremy are

1:29:54 Speaker 4: always you know, post posting evidence that they that they verify,

1:29:59 Speaker 4: So you don't know, like the attendees don't know like

1:30:02 Speaker 4: what Jeremy and George might bring right of.

1:30:05 Speaker 1: You never know. And then never they'll share things again

1:30:10 Speaker 1: that that you know aren't necessarily on their show or

1:30:12 Speaker 1: recorded or whatever. They'll just say exactly or maybe a

1:30:15 Speaker 1: little more speculative, and like, you know, we don't know

1:30:17 Speaker 1: what it is, but we lean this way. And George

1:30:20 Speaker 1: is an awesome guy, and he's very important in the community,

1:30:23 Speaker 1: going back to the Bible as our days, and uh,

1:30:27 Speaker 1: you know, he has high journalistic standards, as it seems

1:30:31 Speaker 1: Ross Colhart does as well. And you know, you got

1:30:34 Speaker 1: to admire those guys.

1:30:36 Speaker 4: Yeah, I so agree, I so agree. You have to

1:30:39 Speaker 4: admire them. And honestly, you know, people, if three of

1:30:47 Speaker 4: these people were headlining a conference, it would sell out

1:30:52 Speaker 4: and and people would be, you know, flocking and talking

1:30:57 Speaker 4: about it. You got you have over sixty of the

1:31:01 Speaker 4: heaviest hitters there are. So it's just gonna be day

1:31:05 Speaker 4: after day after day of amazing personal experiences. How do

1:31:14 Speaker 4: you make sure that it doesn't that people don't take

1:31:18 Speaker 4: like videos and stuff of it and put it online.

1:31:22 Speaker 1: Well, you know, we do have a professional company that

1:31:24 Speaker 1: does record videos for people who can't attend and then

1:31:27 Speaker 1: they sell that as yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, which is

1:31:30 Speaker 1: great and we we like that because we want people

1:31:32 Speaker 1: to have ye to see it. If they can't h yeah,

1:31:35 Speaker 1: well no, we discouraged that, and we we will stop

1:31:38 Speaker 1: people from recording the speakers don't want that. Yeah, we

1:31:43 Speaker 1: don't want to you know, dishonor them. There are a

1:31:45 Speaker 1: few things we don't record that people have asked us

1:31:48 Speaker 1: not to, and there are other things that they let us,

1:31:51 Speaker 1: which is most of it.

1:31:52 Speaker 4: And that's for anyone out there. Like that's why guys

1:31:56 Speaker 4: like me and Patrick and all them from vetted you know,

1:32:00 Speaker 4: well we're there for that reason. We're going to be

1:32:03 Speaker 4: talking to these people in the media room, so like

1:32:07 Speaker 4: you know, we'll get those questions answered and asked, and

1:32:10 Speaker 4: you know, you guys will get the information if it

1:32:13 Speaker 4: drops there. So you know, no need to ruin the

1:32:16 Speaker 4: you know, the experience by by doing anything like that.

1:32:20 Speaker 4: So these are just legit. I love questions like this.

1:32:23 Speaker 4: So you have you have about what's today April April fifth.

1:32:31 Speaker 1: You're going to freak me out right now, what we're

1:32:33 Speaker 1: what six seven weeks?

1:32:34 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, April fifth. So you have you know a

1:32:40 Speaker 4: little over forty five fifty fifty days.

1:32:44 Speaker 1: We have what eighty days worth of work to do.

1:32:46 Speaker 4: So I'm so sorry. If you need any help on me,

1:32:51 Speaker 4: I'll tell you if you need any help, man, I

1:32:54 Speaker 4: would love to I'd love to get involved, you know

1:32:56 Speaker 4: a little bit. But I I am. I I'm so

1:33:00 Speaker 4: thankful that I got the pleasure to sit down with

1:33:03 Speaker 4: you before the conference. I really can't wait. You're doing

1:33:07 Speaker 4: tremendous things. Uh, you've been featured on Coast to Coast

1:33:11 Speaker 4: or you've had your show on Coast to Coast, You've

1:33:14 Speaker 4: you've you're assembling all these people. Man. Uh, you're doing

1:33:17 Speaker 4: so much for the community. I just want to say

1:33:19 Speaker 4: from the bottom of my heart, you know, thank you.

1:33:22 Speaker 4: I know people don't like to be thanked and and

1:33:25 Speaker 4: and I just.

1:33:26 Speaker 1: Say, you know, real do this on on our calls.

1:33:29 Speaker 1: I just mute them usually if I'm there, listen. I

1:33:32 Speaker 1: appreciate it. I'm glad, you know work again. It's a

1:33:34 Speaker 1: whole team, and we all are genuine and what we're

1:33:38 Speaker 1: doing and we're really trying to do this for the

1:33:42 Speaker 1: right reason in the right way, and we're really trying.

1:33:44 Speaker 4: That's that's all and that and that's that's all. People want.

1:33:48 Speaker 4: That's really all people want because you know, for this

1:33:51 Speaker 4: my my my show, you know, I get to I'm

1:33:57 Speaker 4: making you know, this is a bit thing for me

1:34:00 Speaker 4: and my show and and uh to be there and

1:34:04 Speaker 4: to be able to do to see behind the scenes,

1:34:09 Speaker 4: and and to be allowed to talk to the speakers,

1:34:12 Speaker 4: and so it's it's a very I mean, it's life

1:34:15 Speaker 4: changing for me. You know this, this is there's so

1:34:18 Speaker 4: much networking to be had. So you're giving you not

1:34:21 Speaker 4: just a platform for people to engage with this content,

1:34:25 Speaker 4: but you're also giving people different kinds of chances. So

1:34:31 Speaker 4: that's why I mean, I'm like, I'm so thankful to you. Uh.

1:34:34 Speaker 1: And and they name this thing correctly contact because that's

1:34:37 Speaker 1: what it is. It's all about contact with these worlds

1:34:40 Speaker 1: an experts. It's contact with other people in the community

1:34:44 Speaker 1: that that that share our interest in these topics and

1:34:48 Speaker 1: and and it's finding out what's happening in the world

1:34:51 Speaker 1: in different areas from telepathy to all the things we've

1:34:55 Speaker 1: discussed today. You know, it's it's interesting, it's it's a

1:34:59 Speaker 1: rare oportunity where you get to have that sort of

1:35:01 Speaker 1: contact take place. So they definitely named it correctly. And

1:35:06 Speaker 1: it's yeah, facilitator.

1:35:08 Speaker 4: For these so how can people stay in touch with

1:35:12 Speaker 4: what you're doing, you know, just in general.

1:35:15 Speaker 1: And then dude, everything's a contact inthedesert dot com. We

1:35:19 Speaker 1: have our our Beyond Contact podcast is on Contact in

1:35:23 Speaker 1: the Desert dot com. As well as we have a blog.

1:35:26 Speaker 1: I wrote a synchronicity blog. Check that out. Our last

1:35:30 Speaker 1: blog is me writing about synchronicity. You'll love it. Check

1:35:33 Speaker 1: it out.

1:35:34 Speaker 4: I will. I'm going to read that right after this

1:35:36 Speaker 4: we start.

1:35:37 Speaker 1: We started that so we kind of have some interactive

1:35:39 Speaker 1: stuff on there. We have a little commercial for our

1:35:41 Speaker 1: show on there, all our speakers, everything's on there. It's

1:35:44 Speaker 1: a great place to go. It's a good resource for

1:35:46 Speaker 1: these kind of things.

1:35:47 Speaker 4: Absolutely, absolutely, so yeah, everyone go to w w W

1:35:51 Speaker 4: dot Contact in the Desert dot com. Uh, tell them

1:35:54 Speaker 4: Tyler and Tyler Total Disclosure sent you, uh and Captain

1:35:58 Speaker 4: Ron sent you. Obviously you know that it makes sense.

1:36:02 Speaker 4: This year's theme is event Horizon, and I think that

1:36:06 Speaker 4: is fitting for the precipice that we seem to be on.

1:36:11 Speaker 4: Whether it's absolutely we're on so many fronts. It feels

1:36:18 Speaker 4: like we're just about to you know, we're we're just

1:36:23 Speaker 4: about to cross the river on so many things, and

1:36:27 Speaker 4: you know, people are called people might call it the singularity, or.

1:36:31 Speaker 1: We're on the precipice of that disclosure. All of these things.

1:36:37 Speaker 1: Event Horizon felt.

1:36:39 Speaker 4: Right, it felt it's it's almost perfect. And obviously you

1:36:44 Speaker 4: know that these pyramid discoveries like these are coming at

1:36:48 Speaker 4: a really good time for contact. So many amazing speakers

1:36:52 Speaker 4: are going to be there. I cannot wait. Get if

1:36:55 Speaker 4: you are able to get out to Palm Springs and

1:36:59 Speaker 4: you want to get engaged with this uh community, if

1:37:03 Speaker 4: you've if you've been before and you're thinking about going, Uh,

1:37:07 Speaker 4: this year is going to be amazing, So get your

1:37:10 Speaker 4: tickets now while you can.

1:37:12 Speaker 2: Uh.

1:37:12 Speaker 4: It's going to be a once in a lifetime UH conference. Uh.

1:37:17 Speaker 4: You know, each year's absolutely separate and different from the next.

1:37:20 Speaker 4: So it's a it's a personal thing each year. Uh.

1:37:24 Speaker 4: And and Ron, we just want to say thank you

1:37:27 Speaker 4: absolutely brother.

1:37:28 Speaker 1: It genuinely feels that way to us. Each year feels

1:37:30 Speaker 1: like it has its sort of its own feel to it.

1:37:33 Speaker 1: It's a weird thing, but true. And a lot of

1:37:35 Speaker 1: people sharing that, a lot of speakers and us remember

1:37:38 Speaker 1: that year we had this kind of felt this way

1:37:40 Speaker 1: this year kind of felt this way. There's just like

1:37:42 Speaker 1: this over energy that fits. It's great. Yeah, we hope

1:37:45 Speaker 1: everyone comes out. It's it's it's just so much fun overall.

1:37:49 Speaker 1: That's that's the main walk away.

1:37:51 Speaker 4: And it's in the beautiful Indian wells Esmarelda Spa Resort

1:37:56 Speaker 4: and Spa be absolutely gorgeous, you know, the mountains around

1:38:00 Speaker 4: doing Palm Springs. And this isn't just a UFO conference,

1:38:05 Speaker 4: but you can you know, this is a vacation for

1:38:07 Speaker 4: some people and and this is you know, they they

1:38:10 Speaker 4: they work their year and take their their week vacation

1:38:14 Speaker 4: to come out to this thing. And so it's it's

1:38:16 Speaker 4: gonna be.

1:38:17 Speaker 1: There's also a lot of hotels right by the hotel

1:38:20 Speaker 1: that we hold this set that a lot of people

1:38:21 Speaker 1: stay at too.

1:38:22 Speaker 4: So and then just commute.

1:38:25 Speaker 1: Oh it's right there. Yeah, if you can't you can't

1:38:27 Speaker 1: get into the hotel, don't worries. There's there's tons of

1:38:30 Speaker 1: other hotels right in that area. A lot of people

1:38:32 Speaker 1: just take them, you know, oh okay every day yeah,

1:38:36 Speaker 1: yeah or whatever.

1:38:37 Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely well absolutely so whatever way I I I'm

1:38:42 Speaker 4: going to be there. I'd love to interact with everyone.

1:38:44 Speaker 4: If you are interacted, you know, comment on this podcast.

1:38:49 Speaker 4: Make sure to like, share, subscribe. If you're watching on YouTube,

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1:38:57 Speaker 4: So whatever one you're listening or watching on, follow the show,

1:39:00 Speaker 4: share with your friends and family, and like I said,

1:39:03 Speaker 4: get tickets to Contact on the Desert at w w

1:39:05 Speaker 4: W dot www, dot Contact in the Desert dot com. Ron.

1:39:10 Speaker 4: Thank you so much for taking time out of your day.

1:39:12 Speaker 4: I am so looking forward to May stick around after

1:39:15 Speaker 4: the otro. Uh and uh we'll we'll, we'll see you

1:39:18 Speaker 4: next time.

1:39:19 Speaker 1: Thanks. I really appreciate it.

1:39:21 Speaker 4: Man all right, and everyone else, stay vigilant, keep an

1:39:24 Speaker 4: eye to the sky. You never know what might fly by.

1:39:28 Speaker 4: M h m hm