EARL GREY ANDERSON- State Director Of MUFON Southern California

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1:00 Speaker 1: you better content. And speaking of better content, today we

1:04 Speaker 1: have the luxury of talking to one of my favorite people,

1:08 Speaker 1: not just in MoveOn, but in general in the UFO community.

1:12 Speaker 1: Earl Gray Anderson is the director of the Southern California moufon.

1:17 Speaker 1: Hands deep in cases all day, every day, from podcasts,

1:22 Speaker 1: to radio, to documentaries and beyond.

1:27 Speaker 2: This guy is a tireless machine. He just must not sleep.

1:33 Speaker 1: He's like Elon Musk, he just keeps going like the

1:35 Speaker 1: Energizer Bunny. I'm not sure how he actually keeps up

1:39 Speaker 1: with his family life.

1:40 Speaker 2: No one knows. Just get Earl's absolutely amazing. I love

1:44 Speaker 2: the guy.

1:45 Speaker 1: So we're gonna welcome in our guest today UFO Researcher

1:49 Speaker 1: and again the Moufon Southern California Director Earl Gray Anderson.

2:05 Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome. It's the Energizer Bunny himself.

2:11 Speaker 3: That introduction. I hope I can live up to your

2:14 Speaker 3: eye expectations there, Tyler, how are you doing. It's been

2:18 Speaker 3: a while, my friend.

2:20 Speaker 2: It sure has it, sure has.

2:23 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I love One of the things that

2:26 Speaker 1: I love about you is that I can text you

2:30 Speaker 1: and call you and no matter what you're doing, you

2:33 Speaker 1: always make time for everybody. And that is one of

2:37 Speaker 1: the things that I think is most genuine about you.

2:41 Speaker 1: And truly, I think the community is such a better

2:44 Speaker 1: place with people like you in it.

2:46 Speaker 3: Thank you. Yeah, We're all in this together, that's the truth.

2:53 Speaker 3: You know. People come up with stuff that you know,

2:55 Speaker 3: to divide themselves from others, but when it comes down

2:59 Speaker 3: to it, we are all in this together. And you know,

3:03 Speaker 3: I if you're not there for everybody, then you're not real.

3:08 Speaker 3: You know, you got to be listening to the experiencers.

3:11 Speaker 3: You have to be listening to the witnesses. You have

3:14 Speaker 3: to be there for your colleagues and friends and foes

3:18 Speaker 3: and else what or else it's just you know, surfacy stuff,

3:24 Speaker 3: and that's not what I do. I dove into this,

3:31 Speaker 3: you know, into phenomenology, and I dove in with all

3:35 Speaker 3: of my heart. I knew that it was probably going

3:37 Speaker 3: to overtake my life, and well, yeah, that's pretty much

3:41 Speaker 3: what it did. But you know, thankfully, thank god. You know,

3:46 Speaker 3: my wife and I were having our anniversary is tomorrow.

3:50 Speaker 3: We've been together twenty four years, but we've been legal

3:54 Speaker 3: for fifteen now, so that's the anniversary of the legality

3:59 Speaker 3: of our relationship. And she's very, very supportive. She loves me.

4:05 Speaker 3: We had one experience where we were both involved, you know,

4:10 Speaker 3: when our backyard was lit up by you know, I

4:14 Speaker 3: call it God's own spotlight because that's sure what it

4:17 Speaker 3: looked like. And uh, you know, she went, you know,

4:22 Speaker 3: experienced the the os effect where you know, the room

4:26 Speaker 3: flooded with this weird blue light time seems strange. External

4:33 Speaker 3: noises were quieted down to such a it's like like

4:37 Speaker 3: a quiet room in a studio. And when you go

4:39 Speaker 3: through that, you you you do not have your meme.

4:44 Speaker 3: Isn't that little I want to believe thing from the

4:47 Speaker 3: X Files? You know? You know, but you know, for myself,

4:53 Speaker 3: you know, I just drove. I dove in headfirst into

4:56 Speaker 3: this stuff. And Lisa, she's she's supports. It's not her

5:01 Speaker 3: number one thing that drives her in her life. You know,

5:04 Speaker 3: she's a musician. She has her life working over at

5:09 Speaker 3: Warner Brothers Studios, actually paying all you know, paying everybody's

5:15 Speaker 3: grandchildren at this point, you know, the Mark's brothers, great grandchildren,

5:19 Speaker 3: stuff like that. You know, she does the participations program

5:23 Speaker 3: there at Warners. So she's a very busy woman, has

5:26 Speaker 3: a life of her own, but she makes room for

5:30 Speaker 3: her husband here and is supportive. So I've got a

5:33 Speaker 3: wonderful support system. I have amazing friends, and this is

5:37 Speaker 3: my joy in life. It's not not a burden at all. Yeah,

5:42 Speaker 3: you know, but you're right, it is like twenty four

5:44 Speaker 3: to seven, you.

5:45 Speaker 2: Know, No, it absolutely is.

5:47 Speaker 1: And honestly, I've been me and my girlfriend, we have

5:56 Speaker 1: recently actually been floating the idea around about once she finishes,

6:02 Speaker 1: once she finishes medical her medical program. Uh, because she

6:09 Speaker 1: was a teacher. And we all know that teachers, I mean,

6:15 Speaker 1: no matter what you're teaching, you should not for the

6:23 Speaker 1: reason that we don't have a good education system, and

6:27 Speaker 1: not to get political, is because we are we don't

6:30 Speaker 1: pay our teachers. We we think we we we all say,

6:33 Speaker 1: oh my god, they're they're crucial to society, yet we

6:38 Speaker 1: pay them twenty thousand dollars a year.

6:41 Speaker 2: In what world you incumb in the.

6:45 Speaker 1: Lowest of neighborhoods, you couldn't even survive with that kind

6:48 Speaker 1: of money. And most teachers are buying products and supplies

6:52 Speaker 1: and bringing them to the class froom themselves. That's how

6:55 Speaker 1: bad it is. So so she left. And but to

7:00 Speaker 1: make the long story short, when she gets a job

7:03 Speaker 1: in the medical field, we're floating the idea. So in

7:06 Speaker 1: the next six months of me like doing this full

7:09 Speaker 1: time and can't wait, and uh, you know, I I

7:13 Speaker 1: know that, you know, having people like you in my life,

7:17 Speaker 1: it's going to make that easier because you know, there's

7:20 Speaker 1: so much that I can do and so many I

7:22 Speaker 1: have so many ideas, you know, I talk about them

7:25 Speaker 1: all the time, so so do.

7:27 Speaker 3: You carry them out? That's that's the difference. I see

7:30 Speaker 3: you carry out your ideas.

7:32 Speaker 4: Right, So I.

7:37 Speaker 1: Refuse to be the person who's ninety you know, hopefully

7:43 Speaker 1: uh and look back and ask what if?

7:45 Speaker 2: Right? So, you know, that's one of my biggest fears.

7:49 Speaker 1: Is this, this notion that people live and this kind

7:55 Speaker 1: of ties into the UFO thing or the consciousness and

7:59 Speaker 1: just the generality when we all look up at the

8:02 Speaker 1: sky and wonder what are places in the universe? Well,

8:07 Speaker 1: it is that the question you should be asking, if

8:11 Speaker 1: you haven't already answered the question what is my path

8:16 Speaker 1: in the present right now? Like in life, because you know,

8:20 Speaker 1: we can focus on what happens after we die and

8:23 Speaker 1: the stuff that happens before we're born. But we've been

8:27 Speaker 1: given this paradise called the present and we live on.

8:31 Speaker 2: A remarkable, remarkable.

8:33 Speaker 1: Planet, and far too many times we're worried about the

8:36 Speaker 1: future or the past or whatever, and we don't take

8:40 Speaker 1: the moment to breathe in what is this oasis we've

8:44 Speaker 1: been given?

8:46 Speaker 3: This? Per Lenon, he wrote that song Beautiful Boy for

8:52 Speaker 3: his son Sean when he was born, and it has

8:54 Speaker 3: that line in it. Life is what happens while you're

8:58 Speaker 3: busy making plan and it's I think of that line

9:03 Speaker 3: quite often because it's true and it is now now now,

9:09 Speaker 3: and that if you're not doing what your heart's desire

9:12 Speaker 3: is now when when you know.

9:17 Speaker 1: I always liked that little cliche. I you know, the

9:22 Speaker 1: the present is literally a gift, right.

9:26 Speaker 2: So yeah, and so I told you.

9:30 Speaker 1: I told you before we started recording that I had

9:34 Speaker 1: a question that I was gonna come out.

9:36 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you told me that. He warning. He gave

9:38 Speaker 3: me a warning, Will Robinson warning.

9:40 Speaker 2: You know, I did this one. I set you up

9:44 Speaker 2: for this one. So move On.

9:49 Speaker 1: Move On is an organization that okay, so we all

9:58 Speaker 1: know what move On is, right, we all know know

10:00 Speaker 1: what move On is why oh god, there's no way

10:08 Speaker 1: to really.

10:11 Speaker 3: Just spin it out, you know. You know what move

10:13 Speaker 3: On's creed is, right, Our mission statement Scientific study of

10:19 Speaker 3: UFOs for the benefit of humanity period that that that's

10:23 Speaker 3: our mission statement. So it's pretty wide open, a pretty

10:28 Speaker 3: big tent. And uh and I and I I love

10:31 Speaker 3: our mission statement. Uh, it's kind of up for interpretation personally,

10:36 Speaker 3: but that's that's all right, you know.

10:39 Speaker 2: Okay, So do you think do you think that move on.

10:49 Speaker 1: Could be potentially not corrupt that because it's not the

10:54 Speaker 1: right answer. And I know you listen, I'm not trying

10:58 Speaker 1: to do one of these gotcha things.

11:01 Speaker 2: It's not that. But could move on be a pawn

11:06 Speaker 2: in a bigger.

11:07 Speaker 1: Game, hmmm, whether it's knowingly or unknowingly, you.

11:15 Speaker 3: Know, I don't know.

11:16 Speaker 2: I don't.

11:16 Speaker 3: I don't believe so, because I think that move on

11:19 Speaker 3: is too you know, we have thousands of members. I

11:27 Speaker 3: think we're like eight thousand or something like that at

11:29 Speaker 3: this point. And uh and and people's attitudes and beliefs

11:35 Speaker 3: about phenomenology they run the gamut, you know, and there

11:41 Speaker 3: is no certain you know, we're kind of sticklers about

11:44 Speaker 3: certain things, all right. Some I think are are are

11:48 Speaker 3: probably good for us to stick to. Others, you know,

11:52 Speaker 3: I think are evolving. But you know, stuff like Okay,

11:56 Speaker 3: for instance, ghost hunting. As a Moofon field investigator, you're

12:03 Speaker 3: not really supposed to have the Moufon ghost Hunters group

12:06 Speaker 3: because we're UFOs, right, it's a UFO concentric group. Now,

12:12 Speaker 3: that doesn't mean that people in Moufon can't go ghost hunting.

12:16 Speaker 3: People do. I've been on on a ghost you know, tour, before. Yeah,

12:23 Speaker 3: I had a friend. I have a friend out here

12:25 Speaker 3: who has like the Hollywood bus, you know, the ghost tour.

12:28 Speaker 3: And I do believe that that the paranormal is is

12:33 Speaker 3: a real thing. I kind of the word paranormal, I

12:39 Speaker 3: think is self limiting though. I think that what rather

12:41 Speaker 3: than call it paara something, we just need to expand

12:45 Speaker 3: our understanding of what normal is. You get into quantum physics,

12:49 Speaker 3: you know, we're all kind of hunt up on Newtone.

12:52 Speaker 3: You know Newton's stuff, which works you know for a

12:55 Speaker 3: day to day on a day to day basis, you

12:58 Speaker 3: drop a rock on your toe. Yeah, you understand inertia

13:03 Speaker 3: and and things like that, but quantum physics is more

13:08 Speaker 3: like magic, where you know, a particle way over in

13:11 Speaker 3: the Andromeda galaxy is connected to a particle and in

13:16 Speaker 3: my finger perhaps, or you know, maybe the little Salvador

13:20 Speaker 3: Dolly clock I have aiding up over there. I mean,

13:25 Speaker 3: and plus, you know, there are things like spooky action

13:29 Speaker 3: at a distance is what we were talking about. But

13:34 Speaker 3: just the connectivity of the universe. We're finding out that

13:38 Speaker 3: everything's really connected, that that maybe the Buddhists were correct,

13:42 Speaker 3: and that the idea of all is one and one

13:45 Speaker 3: is all. So I think that the paranormal it plays

13:50 Speaker 3: into this phenomena, it plays into everything. But it's not para,

13:54 Speaker 3: it's just normal. This is you know, uh so, but

13:58 Speaker 3: but mofan They do try to stay focused on the

14:01 Speaker 3: UFO phenomenon, so you know, stuff like okay with you know,

14:07 Speaker 3: like there was a guy that had to move on

14:09 Speaker 3: Bigfoot group and that was kind of a no no, no,

14:13 Speaker 3: you know you don't now you can do that, you know,

14:16 Speaker 3: and if somebody sees you know, and we have to

14:19 Speaker 3: be scientific about it.

14:20 Speaker 2: That's the other thing, you know, right, it's in the Moniker.

14:24 Speaker 3: Yes, it is in our mission statement. That is a

14:28 Speaker 3: scientific study and we use you know, doctor j Alen

14:31 Speaker 3: Heinez precepts of valets, you know, categori categorization system and

14:38 Speaker 3: things like that that are you know, connected to the

14:41 Speaker 3: scientific method. Now, you can't really do the scientific method

14:45 Speaker 3: per se because you can't repeat experiments so to speak.

14:50 Speaker 3: Maybe you can, it's not not not citing, but no, no,

14:54 Speaker 3: I can't call a UFO down right now, you.

14:58 Speaker 4: Know, you know, well done, but no, you know, just

15:04 Speaker 4: do you have to be.

15:06 Speaker 3: No, no, no, that that that's that's funny. That's our

15:09 Speaker 3: little signal. If I have to race to the bathroom,

15:12 Speaker 3: I was going to fly this across and that's easier

15:14 Speaker 3: than I need to a bathroom break. But but anyway,

15:18 Speaker 3: I the way that anyway, I think that Moufon is

15:23 Speaker 3: doing what they should be doing. As far as being

15:26 Speaker 3: a pawn in the game, We're all subject to being

15:29 Speaker 3: pawns in the game. We're all subject to that. I mean,

15:33 Speaker 3: I have D O D people get a hold of

15:35 Speaker 3: me all the time. I have friends that are you know,

15:39 Speaker 3: from the Air Force intelligence, you know, iOS and or

15:42 Speaker 3: not I O S I sorry switching around.

15:47 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's so many of them.

15:49 Speaker 3: But you know, we're we're all subject to to that

15:53 Speaker 3: sort of influence. But as a group, I don't think

15:57 Speaker 3: mof on is anymore subject to that than than anything else. Really,

16:03 Speaker 3: I think that the motives are good. I think that

16:06 Speaker 3: the way that mufon started was was very very good.

16:09 Speaker 3: At the time, there was appro and all these different

16:12 Speaker 3: organizations doing this, and now it's kind of whittled down

16:15 Speaker 3: to you know, you've got Peter Davenport's group doing this,

16:19 Speaker 3: You've got Moufon. There's a couple of new actors on stage,

16:23 Speaker 3: like Antigama, labs is sort of competition now. But it's

16:27 Speaker 3: good that there is as many people interested in this

16:31 Speaker 3: and focused on this phenomena as there are that I

16:34 Speaker 3: don't see them as as our enemies, that's for sure,

16:38 Speaker 3: in this together. We're in this together.

16:40 Speaker 1: I absolutely agree that. And we talked about this off

16:47 Speaker 1: off camera too. Is it's the factionalism that is actually

16:51 Speaker 1: what's keeping us apart and it's keeping us from it's

16:57 Speaker 1: it's absolutely I can't say it's it would solved the problem.

17:01 Speaker 1: I don't know if it would ever solve the problem

17:03 Speaker 1: if we all came together, I know, but but I

17:06 Speaker 1: know it would lead to that because together, you know,

17:11 Speaker 1: we are unstoppable.

17:15 Speaker 2: And I think that is what these secret keepers know.

17:20 Speaker 2: So and I think.

17:21 Speaker 3: It's changed out there, right. It's changed. At one time,

17:27 Speaker 3: the you know, the Robertson panel that convened in nineteen

17:30 Speaker 3: fifty three and the way that they used ridicule and

17:34 Speaker 3: trotted out scientists to make fun of people that had

17:37 Speaker 3: had UFO experiences. That worked for many years. But you know,

17:43 Speaker 3: I think that it had its run. And if you

17:46 Speaker 3: go to any social media platform, even you know, watching

17:51 Speaker 3: mainstream news, it used to be if there was a

17:53 Speaker 3: UFO story. They'd play the X Files music, they'd roll

17:57 Speaker 3: their eyes, you know, and now there's not so much

18:00 Speaker 3: eye rolling. People are taking this seriously. There's a great

18:04 Speaker 3: passion out there to loosen some of this information to

18:07 Speaker 3: the public, and I think we'll probably get something. I'm hoping.

18:12 Speaker 3: I don't think we're going to get full disclosure, all right,

18:15 Speaker 3: They're not going to want to talk about how our

18:18 Speaker 3: visitors are able to turn off our nuclear weapons. I

18:21 Speaker 3: don't think they're going to want to talk about, you know,

18:24 Speaker 3: abductions and visitations because and they probably aren't going to

18:29 Speaker 3: want to talk too much about how they play cat

18:32 Speaker 3: and dog Cat and Dog with our best top gun pilots.

18:38 Speaker 3: All that stuff kind of makes us look questionable as

18:42 Speaker 3: far as.

18:43 Speaker 2: You know, safety.

18:45 Speaker 3: Yeah, and they're not going to want to go there.

18:47 Speaker 3: But I think that we're going to get the small

18:49 Speaker 3: de form of disclosure. I think, right, I'll be surprised

18:53 Speaker 3: if we don't get something. We're vaping on air, Okay,

18:57 Speaker 3: I get to do that then.

19:00 Speaker 1: So what you're saying is we'll get the DOBS or

19:02 Speaker 1: approved disclosure.

19:04 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think that we're going to get the

19:07 Speaker 3: full Tamali. But I think that we'll get that, uh,

19:10 Speaker 3: you know, we're going to be hearing that this is

19:13 Speaker 3: a very real thing. People aren't crazy when they report

19:17 Speaker 3: UFO siding. And we were wrong back when when we

19:23 Speaker 3: said this was all so much rubbish. It's obviously not.

19:28 Speaker 3: If it is, if this is something that people are

19:31 Speaker 3: making up, then you're going to have to, you know, question, well,

19:35 Speaker 3: how come the guys that have their finger on the

19:38 Speaker 3: nuclear button and the most you know, some of the

19:41 Speaker 3: most important, you know, the pilots, the Air Force pilots, generals.

19:48 Speaker 3: You know, this is like the elite of the elite

19:52 Speaker 3: that are talking about this, and they have have had

19:55 Speaker 3: experiences themselves. I mean, I have a full air crew

20:00 Speaker 3: are on their way from Tokyo to Hawaii and right

20:04 Speaker 3: at the continental dateline, it was still dark out for them.

20:09 Speaker 3: There was a little fingernail of sunshine coming up over

20:13 Speaker 3: the horizon. And these guys, it was four of them.

20:16 Speaker 3: There was two pilots, it was the engineer and one

20:21 Speaker 3: other person that they had on the flight crew. They

20:24 Speaker 3: see these three silver chromed flying discs that move into

20:30 Speaker 3: a triangular standing position right in front of them. They're

20:36 Speaker 3: watching this happen. It was very dramatic. It was done

20:39 Speaker 3: for show. I think they, you know, whoever was flying

20:42 Speaker 3: these things, you know, they knew that they were being watched.

20:45 Speaker 3: And so they go and they make this perfect triangular

20:48 Speaker 3: holding pattern. They sat there just long enough for the

20:52 Speaker 3: crew to look at this and to point at it

20:54 Speaker 3: and to ponder and what are we seeing? And then

20:58 Speaker 3: all three vehicles shot down below the horizon line. They

21:02 Speaker 3: were technically in outer space, but they could see everything.

21:06 Speaker 3: You've got something like that. You have a flight crew

21:09 Speaker 3: that's flying a jumbo jet from Tokyo to Hawaii and

21:12 Speaker 3: they're seeing something like that. If they are hallucinating or

21:17 Speaker 3: making something up, all those lives that they are, you know,

21:22 Speaker 3: the passengers on that plane, their lives are in danger

21:26 Speaker 3: of you know, if you have a psychotic flight crew.

21:30 Speaker 3: So how do you deal with that? And now, you know,

21:33 Speaker 3: I mean, it's different now than it was back in

21:37 Speaker 3: the nineteen fifties. They're well aware that this is a

21:40 Speaker 3: real phenomenon. It's time to tell the public. At least,

21:45 Speaker 3: that's much, you know, absolutely gotten out of their hands.

21:50 Speaker 1: Absolutely, And you know, I'm not sure if you've heard

21:55 Speaker 1: the rumblings, but there's been there is a lot of rumbling,

22:02 Speaker 1: and you know, people are talking about this prop uh

22:08 Speaker 1: legacy UFO program, Immaculate constellation.

22:18 Speaker 2: It is, it is a mouthful.

22:20 Speaker 1: But when you start really looking at this earl right now,

22:26 Speaker 1: I don't know if you know Diana Posoka but or

22:30 Speaker 1: or her, Yes, but she has a contact. I think

22:36 Speaker 1: everybody pretty much knows who it is now, but I

22:39 Speaker 1: just don't say the name.

22:41 Speaker 2: Her pseudonym for the person was Tyler, And ironically that's

22:46 Speaker 2: my name.

22:47 Speaker 3: You YEA knew it, We knew about you.

22:50 Speaker 1: I work for NASA. Yeah, but her contact works for NASA,

22:55 Speaker 1: and you know, couldn't didn't really understand or or or

22:59 Speaker 1: you know, when she when she had first asked why

23:03 Speaker 1: all the the esoteric stuff that, you know, why is

23:07 Speaker 1: NASA seemed to be involved, you know, all the way

23:10 Speaker 1: back to Operation paper Clip, and he had told her

23:13 Speaker 1: that with these crash retrievals, they call them gifts now

23:19 Speaker 1: immaculate constellation, right, Immaculate meaning a gift, right, like ammaculate,

23:28 Speaker 1: like a miracle.

23:29 Speaker 2: Right. And then Conte comes to mind, right, right.

23:34 Speaker 1: So it's it's almost like a mix of yeah, it's

23:38 Speaker 1: a well, it's a mix of.

23:41 Speaker 4: Biblical meaning the stars.

23:44 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's got it's got like a biblical.

23:46 Speaker 4: Feel to stars.

23:49 Speaker 1: Yeah.

23:50 Speaker 2: So it just begs the notion. Have you reason to

23:56 Speaker 2: believe that this could be real?

24:02 Speaker 1: This could be a real program.

24:07 Speaker 3: I have one friend, Paul Skinner. He's a ufolog a

24:12 Speaker 3: I'll call him a ufologist. He's put his hand to

24:14 Speaker 3: this for many years now, not connected with Buffon or

24:18 Speaker 3: any group, but he treats every single UFO citing as

24:26 Speaker 3: something that's possibly that he can debunk, and he'll try

24:30 Speaker 3: to debunk stuff. He's not going to make stuff up

24:33 Speaker 3: like silly Mick West or any of those guys. But

24:37 Speaker 3: he goes in there trying to debunk all of these

24:42 Speaker 3: and he can't debunk this one immaculate constellation. He's done

24:48 Speaker 3: like all these deep Google searches, and it appears that

24:55 Speaker 3: the name I think the earliest that he was able

24:59 Speaker 3: to find it on the Google machine was like two

25:01 Speaker 3: thousand and four, I think. But it was there, and

25:06 Speaker 3: you can't always find it. You can't get the email,

25:09 Speaker 3: but you can see through using the search engine that

25:12 Speaker 3: people were using the term. So it was out there.

25:16 Speaker 3: What was it? What you know? If it isn't what

25:20 Speaker 3: they're saying it is, then what was it? So it

25:25 Speaker 3: looks like this might actually be something that is accurate.

25:29 Speaker 3: And I guess we'll find out, or maybe we won't

25:32 Speaker 3: find out. But it's like the MJ twelve thing. Yes,

25:38 Speaker 3: and everybody got all over Stanton Friedman because of the

25:41 Speaker 3: Magic twelve thing and saying that it was all made up.

25:45 Speaker 3: But I happened to know there was a bunch And

25:49 Speaker 3: I can't give you too much information about this because

25:51 Speaker 3: I can get people in trouble. But some government workers

25:56 Speaker 3: I know that were on this site, they came across

25:59 Speaker 3: these old folders back from the nineteen fifties and sixties

26:04 Speaker 3: and seventies, and they they wound up sending these folders

26:10 Speaker 3: back to DC because they didn't have the authority to

26:15 Speaker 3: read what was inside. They were red stamped above top secret,

26:20 Speaker 3: and the word that was stamped on them was magic

26:25 Speaker 3: eyes only. So people can say whatever they want, you know,

26:29 Speaker 3: about Stanton being led around by his nose and stuff,

26:32 Speaker 3: but that I think that the MJ twelve group was

26:37 Speaker 3: actually that actually was what it portrays to be. You know,

26:42 Speaker 3: van Everbush, all the guys that were involved, supposedly they're

26:47 Speaker 3: the people that would have been involved in something like that,

26:51 Speaker 3: you know, he had James Forrestal's name was one of

26:55 Speaker 3: the members. He was one of the guys that wanted

26:58 Speaker 3: to bring this out into public and Angeley was pushed

27:01 Speaker 3: out of the window when he decided he wanted to

27:04 Speaker 3: do that.

27:06 Speaker 1: Well, oh what, yeah, you know, pushed from the window,

27:13 Speaker 1: I mean, fell from the window.

27:16 Speaker 3: Fell with a you know, a sheet around his neck

27:21 Speaker 3: like I mean. Anyway, I don't want to go too

27:23 Speaker 3: deep into that stuff. I don't want to poke that

27:25 Speaker 3: particular bear too hard. But I think that you know,

27:30 Speaker 3: this Immaculate constellation thing may prove to be uh worthy

27:34 Speaker 3: of our attention. That that's my word on it right now. Anyway,

27:39 Speaker 3: I have looked into it. Jimmy Church asked me about it,

27:44 Speaker 3: and I didn't know so much about it at that point.

27:46 Speaker 3: There's a lot of stuff going on, and I have

27:48 Speaker 3: all my own cases I'm working on.

27:50 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, but I actually just had Michael Shellenberger on.

27:57 Speaker 2: Not why did I say, Michael Schllenberger.

28:00 Speaker 1: Rat Michael schratt Schellenberger wrote the article with the Immaculate Consolation.

28:07 Speaker 1: I just have Michael Shratt on and you and I

28:10 Speaker 1: were supposed to do a show about two weeks ago,

28:13 Speaker 1: and wires got crossed and it made me laugh because

28:17 Speaker 1: I'm like, Jimmy, I'm having the I was supposed to

28:20 Speaker 1: have both of those guys on before you you know,

28:24 Speaker 1: stop stop poaching guests from me for the same week.

28:28 Speaker 2: God dang you, Jimmy.

28:29 Speaker 3: Well know youufhology, we're you know, we're kind of like

28:34 Speaker 3: our little niche, you know, so we wind up kind

28:38 Speaker 3: of overlapping.

28:39 Speaker 2: No, you did.

28:43 Speaker 3: Michael Stratt, he has a one his new I had

28:47 Speaker 3: him give his new lecture to my local moufon group.

28:52 Speaker 3: Had a full house showed up for him.

28:55 Speaker 2: About crash retrievals. Oh yes, yeah, he gave us the same.

29:01 Speaker 3: Yea, and Ryan Wood came out just to hang out.

29:04 Speaker 3: You know, we hang out, bud. You know. So you've

29:06 Speaker 3: got like two people from UFO, you know, royalty in

29:11 Speaker 3: the house and h yeah, Mike, Michael's h He's done

29:16 Speaker 3: an amazing, amazing background in this and he does what

29:21 Speaker 3: he does very well. And yeah, I touched that new

29:25 Speaker 3: presentation out there. You guys be sure to catch that presentation.

29:30 Speaker 3: It's very very good.

29:32 Speaker 5: Yeah.

29:32 Speaker 3: I was gobsmacked. And it takes a lot to do

29:35 Speaker 3: that to me, But.

29:36 Speaker 1: I right, yeah, we we only I think we only

29:39 Speaker 1: got through like two hundred of the five hundred and

29:42 Speaker 1: four slides. So yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean it's a

29:47 Speaker 1: heavy presentation, and we were like, you know, me, I

29:50 Speaker 1: I talk and you know what I mean. I I

29:53 Speaker 1: asked follow up questions. So we were we could. We

29:57 Speaker 1: barely got we didn't even get halfway. So I'm gonna

30:00 Speaker 1: I'll be having him back on. But now listen, I've

30:05 Speaker 1: been investigating, uh the Bridge Water Triangle.

30:09 Speaker 2: Uh.

30:10 Speaker 1: It's a place in Massachusetts, Uh, and I I really

30:15 Speaker 1: implore you to look more into it. But there's also Salem, Massachusetts.

30:22 Speaker 1: Everybody knows about the witch trials and the ongoing phenomena

30:26 Speaker 1: that that that is commonly seen there and another placed

30:31 Speaker 1: the road, which again has all the same themes.

30:37 Speaker 2: And the themes are.

30:41 Speaker 1: Uh cursed land now atrocities, atrocities committed by by man

30:48 Speaker 1: man being mankind. Right, So Salem witch Trials, we have greed,

30:53 Speaker 1: we have I mean just pure power grabs and and

31:00 Speaker 1: really malicious intent and really really bad things happened in Salem.

31:08 Speaker 3: And yeah, trials were horrible.

31:11 Speaker 1: They were terrible. They were terrible, they crushed Giles Corey

31:16 Speaker 1: to death because he refused. He refused to say that

31:21 Speaker 1: he was a witch. He was like, I'm not going

31:23 Speaker 1: to God.

31:25 Speaker 4: Yeah.

31:25 Speaker 2: So and then in Bridgewater.

31:28 Speaker 3: We're still like that though. People see something they don't understand. Okay,

31:33 Speaker 3: like the Collins Elite. It's an officialdom right now. And

31:37 Speaker 3: apparently those are the guys that keep shutting the doors

31:40 Speaker 3: that some of these gatekeepers want to open. The gatekeepers

31:44 Speaker 3: want to open the gate but these guys keep on

31:47 Speaker 3: shutting it because they think it's the devil, or they

31:50 Speaker 3: want to blame it on the devil. There's something they

31:52 Speaker 3: don't understand. Rock and Rollers from the Devil. I remember

31:55 Speaker 3: that I grew up with that meme. You know, I discovered,

31:59 Speaker 3: you know, I I fell in love with the Beatles

32:01 Speaker 3: when they played on the Ed Sullivan Show. It was

32:03 Speaker 3: a little tot, you know, and and it meant so

32:07 Speaker 3: much to me. I loved it. And of course, you know,

32:11 Speaker 3: my dad was kind of churchy, and and there they

32:15 Speaker 3: were saying, you know, well, this is from the Devil.

32:18 Speaker 3: It's got this jungle beat and we don't like it.

32:21 Speaker 3: It's just going to lead to bad things. And you know,

32:24 Speaker 3: I'm sorry, Uh, rock and roll is kind of what

32:28 Speaker 3: got me through my teenage years, my childhood. It was,

32:33 Speaker 3: you know, something that I could relate to that I

32:35 Speaker 3: loved and you know, the poetry was there, the imagery

32:38 Speaker 3: was there, the talent was there. But it's from the

32:41 Speaker 3: devil because we don't understand it. That's that's like the

32:44 Speaker 3: easiest you know, com denominator that can come up with.

32:48 Speaker 3: And it's the same thing. Now we're running into these

32:50 Speaker 3: guys that you know UFOs and this whole phenomenon, it's

32:55 Speaker 3: all from the devil. You know, you guys need to

32:57 Speaker 3: rebuke it in Jesus' name and turn it off. And

33:02 Speaker 3: you know, talk about trying to humanize something that's not human, right,

33:08 Speaker 3: something that we don't understand or we're not comfortable with

33:12 Speaker 3: right off. That's the easiest way to shut off the

33:16 Speaker 3: water faucets. Called it demonology, and then people just shun

33:21 Speaker 3: that and very sadly, you know, you can understand that

33:26 Speaker 3: happening in social circles, right, that's going to happen, right,

33:29 Speaker 3: people are people, But to have something like that actually

33:33 Speaker 3: shutting down this most important bit of information that the

33:37 Speaker 3: public should know that we're not alone in the universe

33:40 Speaker 3: that you know, if you believe in God, why would

33:42 Speaker 3: God suddenly stop creating, stop being a creator with our

33:47 Speaker 3: sorry butts, you know, I mean, you know, a creator creates,

33:53 Speaker 3: a painter keeps painting, a musician, a composer keeps. So

34:00 Speaker 3: why would God shut off his creativity for just one

34:05 Speaker 3: little planet? Doesn't make any sense? And then you've got

34:08 Speaker 3: the whole universe, right, one little pale blue dot in there.

34:13 Speaker 3: It's from the devil. It's from the devil, and it's

34:16 Speaker 3: calling something that God did demonic because there's more races

34:22 Speaker 3: out there than just us, right.

34:24 Speaker 1: I saw, I came across this really funny, funny picture

34:30 Speaker 1: and it was it showed uh, our solar system, so

34:35 Speaker 1: our planets, and it had an arrow and it was

34:38 Speaker 1: God's favorite planet and it was pointing at Earth. And

34:41 Speaker 1: then it zooms out and it's the.

34:45 Speaker 2: Milky Way and then it's like.

34:49 Speaker 3: Way galaxy.

34:54 Speaker 2: Yeah, God's favorite constellation.

34:56 Speaker 1: Then it zooms out even further and it's like God's

34:59 Speaker 1: favorite galaxy.

35:01 Speaker 2: So it's really interesting. It made me laugh because yes.

35:05 Speaker 3: Well, people just want to be comfortable with stuff, and

35:08 Speaker 3: they want to put a box. Everything they want to

35:10 Speaker 3: put into a box so that they think that they

35:13 Speaker 3: can pocket it and walk around and live the same

35:15 Speaker 3: way they always did. And this is one of those

35:18 Speaker 3: big things, you know, the three the trifecta of questions

35:22 Speaker 3: everybody has, right, is there God? What happens when I die?

35:26 Speaker 3: And are we alone in the universe? And we have

35:29 Speaker 3: one of those answered right.

35:31 Speaker 1: Now, but one of those answers, two potential answers on

35:39 Speaker 1: the others. Yes, And that's what I find to be like.

35:45 Speaker 1: And that's crazy because in you know, I say my lifetime,

35:49 Speaker 1: but you know, in our live lifetime. Imagine if we

35:53 Speaker 1: could answer one of the three biggiest questions humans have right, right?

35:59 Speaker 2: And and there is a fourth.

36:01 Speaker 1: Question, but a lot not too many people get to

36:07 Speaker 1: hung up on this one. But our origins, right, yeah,

36:11 Speaker 1: species of the amnesia. Maybe they could fill in some

36:14 Speaker 1: of the gaps for us.

36:15 Speaker 3: Yeah.

36:15 Speaker 1: So speaking of that, shout out Graham Hancock season two

36:19 Speaker 1: Ancient Apocalypse on Netflix. Now we're not sponsored by them.

36:23 Speaker 1: I wish we were, but not. But it is something

36:28 Speaker 1: to check out ground.

36:33 Speaker 3: It thinks outside of the box, and that's what I love,

36:36 Speaker 3: you know, Yeah, and I and that's how we have

36:38 Speaker 3: to think, you know, if it's in your little box

36:41 Speaker 3: and it makes you comfortable. It's probably not true. It's

36:44 Speaker 3: Newtonian physics again, you know, going back to what we

36:48 Speaker 3: began with here. It's very comfortable to think that everything

36:52 Speaker 3: is like a clock and that it's gears and it's

36:56 Speaker 3: all he know understandable. But that's not the truth. It's

37:01 Speaker 3: just like the little tiny you know, it's it's you know,

37:05 Speaker 3: it comes from the same period of time when Galileo

37:09 Speaker 3: turned it. He trained his telescope that he invented on

37:12 Speaker 3: Jupiter and he informed the public that there were you know,

37:16 Speaker 3: four visible moons that were orbiting Jupiter, you know, the

37:20 Speaker 3: europea Io, Callisto, and Ganymede, and you know, they wanted

37:27 Speaker 3: him to recant what he told the public. They wanted

37:30 Speaker 3: him to say that his telescope was from the devil,

37:34 Speaker 3: that was demon possessed, because it showed something that didn't

37:38 Speaker 3: align with their preconcepted you know, ideas of how the

37:42 Speaker 3: universe is laid out, and we're you know here we are.

37:46 Speaker 3: You know, it's over three hundred years later, and it's

37:50 Speaker 3: the same attitude that's now shutting the door. You know,

37:53 Speaker 3: it's from the devil, you know, because we don't understand it.

37:56 Speaker 3: Maybe these aliens, they remind us of these you know,

38:00 Speaker 3: old you know paintings of devils and stuff, and you know,

38:05 Speaker 3: it's just like trying to fit that human trying to

38:09 Speaker 3: fit something that's not human into a square peg hole, right,

38:15 Speaker 3: And I'm sorry the UFO doesn't fit in it. It's round,

38:19 Speaker 3: you know, and you can hammer it in as much

38:21 Speaker 3: as you want, but it's going to be a mess,

38:24 Speaker 3: and it's not going to be satisfying to themselves or

38:28 Speaker 3: to the public when it's all said and done right, right,

38:33 Speaker 3: and this is bigger than ourselves.

38:36 Speaker 2: And as a state director.

38:40 Speaker 3: I love it, by the way, I love being stage director.

38:42 Speaker 3: From me, I can't pure joy. For me, it's about

38:47 Speaker 3: community and that's what I want. A safe place. I

38:51 Speaker 3: want someplace where people can go, where people can talk

38:55 Speaker 3: about this phenomenon safely and not worry about being judged.

39:00 Speaker 3: I don't care. You know, you can be religious, you

39:02 Speaker 3: can be a atheist, I don't care what your background is.

39:06 Speaker 3: We put all that stuff, all preconceptions and dogma is

39:11 Speaker 3: left outside of the door of my moofon meetings, I

39:15 Speaker 3: was going to make a sign that said that and

39:17 Speaker 3: I found out I didn't have to, because people intuitively

39:21 Speaker 3: got the gist of what I was trying to do.

39:24 Speaker 3: We all meet there, we throw our dogmas and our

39:28 Speaker 3: preconceptions and we leave those outside. You can pick them

39:31 Speaker 3: up afterwards if you want. We'll take care of them.

39:34 Speaker 3: And it's this beautiful, joyous group and we're all friends,

39:39 Speaker 3: and we come from all kinds of different backgrounds. Politically,

39:43 Speaker 3: we're divided right down the middle. If I made moofon

39:46 Speaker 3: political I would have a revolt on my hands. My

39:50 Speaker 3: field investigators would go away, you know. But we don't

39:54 Speaker 3: do that. We focus on the phenomenon. We leave our

39:58 Speaker 3: preconceptions outside the door, and you can pick them up

40:01 Speaker 3: later if you want. And it's a safe place. And

40:04 Speaker 3: I'm seeing this little community grow here and it fills

40:09 Speaker 3: my heart with joy, It truly does. I'm so happy

40:12 Speaker 3: and I'm proud.

40:14 Speaker 2: Well, I've been watching I've been watching everything.

40:16 Speaker 1: You guys, do you know You've you've been very Uh

40:21 Speaker 1: you post a lot of it.

40:22 Speaker 2: On Facebook, and you know, speak.

40:25 Speaker 1: Of the speakers that you're bringing in, and you're always

40:29 Speaker 1: always always bringing in just you know the legends of

40:35 Speaker 1: the field, and uh, what you're doing is is truly,

40:40 Speaker 1: it's just thank you.

40:41 Speaker 3: Well, they speak here, they know that they're gonna have

40:45 Speaker 3: freedom when they speak here, and that there's an openness

40:49 Speaker 3: and and uh, you know, I I try to I

40:53 Speaker 3: I hoped that I could create something like that. But

40:56 Speaker 3: my people, you know, they they they allowed this and

41:00 Speaker 3: created it themselves. This is and it just I don't know,

41:05 Speaker 3: and it makes me very very happy that I get

41:08 Speaker 3: to do that. And I have one of the best

41:10 Speaker 3: teams out there, by the way, Oh of course, well,

41:13 Speaker 3: I have just our field investigator team is just off

41:17 Speaker 3: the hinge. Cool. I've got a police detective. I've got

41:21 Speaker 3: a private eye. I've got an aerospace retired aerospace worker

41:25 Speaker 3: who worked with you know, major you know, well pretty

41:29 Speaker 3: much the military industrial complex like my mom did. But

41:33 Speaker 3: all these people, we are all on the same page

41:37 Speaker 3: that we want to understand this phenomenon and we we

41:41 Speaker 3: have to leave our preconceptions about it outside the door.

41:46 Speaker 5: You know.

41:46 Speaker 3: We have markers that we look for from case to case.

41:51 Speaker 3: And when you see those markers and you check them

41:53 Speaker 3: off on your case file and you see you begin

41:57 Speaker 3: to recognize certain aspects of this phenomenon that are in

42:00 Speaker 3: common with other sightings, other visitations. So it is a thing.

42:07 Speaker 3: It's not something that people are making up or hallucinating

42:10 Speaker 3: or or trying to you know, no, there's there's there's

42:13 Speaker 3: a very real phenomenon with with aspects to it that

42:17 Speaker 3: we can document and tick off from case to case

42:21 Speaker 3: the little boxes, and you know that you're seeing something real.

42:25 Speaker 1: Right right right in southern California, if I'm not mistaken,

42:31 Speaker 1: it is among the top five.

42:34 Speaker 3: At least we are the top every single month. Every

42:37 Speaker 3: once in a while, Florida or Texas will get us,

42:40 Speaker 3: you know, it's their active areas too, But usually we

42:45 Speaker 3: have two to three times more case reports come in

42:48 Speaker 3: than anywhere else. Some of that space X right, we

42:52 Speaker 3: do have the Vandenburgh Space Force site here, but you know,

43:00 Speaker 3: you get rid of those cases, it's still it's so active,

43:04 Speaker 3: so very active. Lots of Black Triangle cases, lots of

43:08 Speaker 3: Flying Fosster cases. Oh my god, the black Triangle case.

43:12 Speaker 3: I had one that came in recently from Glamis Dunes

43:16 Speaker 3: and I saw it come in, And usually I try

43:20 Speaker 3: to share the wealth. I'll try to assign these cases

43:23 Speaker 3: to my team, but I try to keep active as

43:26 Speaker 3: a field investigator.

43:28 Speaker 1: Right, right, you don't hold the best cases and then

43:31 Speaker 1: give them.

43:34 Speaker 3: I'll give myself. I'll fight like one case or no, no, no,

43:40 Speaker 3: I don't do that that. I had my turn, you know,

43:43 Speaker 3: I had like seven or eight years where I did

43:46 Speaker 3: get the best cases. But now I want, I want

43:50 Speaker 3: my team. I know that if I assign a case

43:53 Speaker 3: to anyone of my field investigators that it's going to

43:57 Speaker 3: be treated just with as much respect and with as

44:01 Speaker 3: much care as if I took that case myself. And

44:05 Speaker 3: that's but we had this case come in Glama's Dunes.

44:09 Speaker 3: This guy was a vendor there, right, so he was

44:11 Speaker 3: there every single day. That was his job. And you

44:15 Speaker 3: know this place, it's it's this area of natural this

44:20 Speaker 3: desert with dunes like the Sahara Desert, and people like

44:24 Speaker 3: to go there with their dune buggies and they have

44:27 Speaker 3: the motorcycles with a big you know, ATVs with the

44:29 Speaker 3: big tires and all that. So this guy is coming

44:33 Speaker 3: back from works. It's the middle of the night. He's

44:36 Speaker 3: going back to where you know, his little place that

44:39 Speaker 3: he lives there on Glama's Dunes. He's on top of

44:43 Speaker 3: a dune and he sees the stars blot out over himself.

44:50 Speaker 3: He's looking up trying to figure out what he's looking at.

44:53 Speaker 3: His eyes were accommodated to the dark already, and it

44:57 Speaker 3: was a shape of a black triangle, a huge one,

45:00 Speaker 3: like the size of a city block. He said that

45:03 Speaker 3: on each corner there was what looked like, you know,

45:07 Speaker 3: a little red light, but it was just very dim,

45:11 Speaker 3: like it was in stealth boat or something. He said,

45:14 Speaker 3: this thing was hating over like a little bit to

45:17 Speaker 3: the side of him, and he noticed that there was

45:20 Speaker 3: a group of twelve to fourteen motorcycles that were going

45:23 Speaker 3: down on the bottom of this valley. They were traveling

45:26 Speaker 3: along and he was on the top of the dune.

45:29 Speaker 3: So he watched this triangle shift so that I figure,

45:34 Speaker 3: whoever was flying that thing, it's like, okay, fourteen people

45:37 Speaker 3: will see me or this one guy. I want to

45:40 Speaker 3: choose the one guy in the doom buggy. So he

45:44 Speaker 3: said that this thing got right over him, and he

45:47 Speaker 3: said he felt very uncomfortable, like you could hear buzz

45:50 Speaker 3: He could feel sort of like this buzzing vibration in

45:54 Speaker 3: his bones when this was directly over him. Nothing belevolent,

45:58 Speaker 3: you know, it just you know, like just hanging out there.

46:02 Speaker 3: He waited, you know, whoever was flying this thing, that

46:05 Speaker 3: waited for the twelve to fourteen motorcycles to go all

46:08 Speaker 3: the way across the dune and disappear into the distance.

46:13 Speaker 3: He said. Then this triangle turned around. He said, the

46:17 Speaker 3: buzzing got louder when it turned. It turned on its axis.

46:21 Speaker 3: It moved over the valley of sand, and it went

46:26 Speaker 3: down into the bottom of the valley, about thirty feet

46:30 Speaker 3: forty feet down to where the motorcycles were driving. He said,

46:35 Speaker 3: it was maybe five feet above the sand. And this

46:39 Speaker 3: thing shot off down through the gully of this dune

46:43 Speaker 3: until it disappeared from sight. And what a wonderful case

46:48 Speaker 3: in the details. And I have so many cases, and

46:52 Speaker 3: the details are always the same, that uncomfortable feeling in

46:55 Speaker 3: the bones, like a vibration, the low hum when they

46:59 Speaker 3: hear it turning or shifting, you know its position in

47:02 Speaker 3: the air. Fantastic case. I closed that a couple of

47:07 Speaker 3: weeks ago. I never grow tired of those cases.

47:11 Speaker 2: When you say you closed it.

47:15 Speaker 3: I interviewed him. I looked for other case reports that

47:18 Speaker 3: were similar, or reports in that area. I there there

47:24 Speaker 3: were no other witnesses. Unfortunately, you like to be able

47:27 Speaker 3: to interview more than one person, but in his case,

47:31 Speaker 3: it was just himself. You know, That's that's why you

47:33 Speaker 3: got to see it. They chose well, you know, it's

47:36 Speaker 3: either fourteen people have eyes on us or one choose

47:40 Speaker 3: the one.

47:41 Speaker 1: So when you when you're telling, when you're interacting with

47:46 Speaker 1: someone who has a sighting like that, when you close

47:50 Speaker 1: a case, ultimately.

47:53 Speaker 3: You come up with a disposition for the case. I

47:56 Speaker 3: FO MA made, I FO natural phenomenon on. Uh, you

48:01 Speaker 3: have a hoax. And I've had a few, not not

48:05 Speaker 3: as many as you'd think beIN this roughly ten years

48:09 Speaker 3: and I have maybe ten oases all in all. Some

48:12 Speaker 3: of them were pretty outlandish. A guy was flying a

48:15 Speaker 3: kite that looked like a black triangle with a laser

48:18 Speaker 3: pointer on it. He took a video. Unfortunately he didn't

48:21 Speaker 3: well fortunately actually he forgot to edit the video at

48:26 Speaker 3: the very end where this thing crashes down at his feet.

48:31 Speaker 2: Idiot, amateur, I know, I.

48:34 Speaker 3: Know, And yeah, I had a little fun with him,

48:39 Speaker 3: you know, when I, you know, emailed them back, I said, well,

48:42 Speaker 3: you know, we didn't have any calls about any UFO

48:45 Speaker 3: crash retrievals in your area or you know explosions like

48:51 Speaker 3: I figure that you know, they must have some kind

48:54 Speaker 3: of using nuclear propulsion or some something. Nothing like that happens,

48:59 Speaker 3: so I don't know what to t And yeah, that

49:02 Speaker 3: he got the uncoveted hoax disposition. This case that I

49:07 Speaker 3: just closed I was telling you about at Glamor's Dunes,

49:09 Speaker 3: it did get I gave that an unknown so that

49:14 Speaker 3: that that means I believe him. And all the bells

49:17 Speaker 3: and whistles were there, and no reason to believe that

49:21 Speaker 3: this guy would make this up. There's nothing in it

49:25 Speaker 3: for him. He wants to remain anonymous. He doesn't want

49:29 Speaker 3: to be on magazine covers or on TV. He wants

49:33 Speaker 3: to remain anonymous. But he and you speak with these

49:36 Speaker 3: people and you get so that you recognize the awe

49:40 Speaker 3: and the wonder in their voice and and and you

49:43 Speaker 3: also recognize that people will feel a little scared to

49:47 Speaker 3: talk about it, like maybe I saw a government project

49:50 Speaker 3: that secret. Maybe there's trouble in this for me. But

49:54 Speaker 3: it made such an impact on him that he had

49:58 Speaker 3: make up. He had to put in a move phone report.

50:01 Speaker 3: And now it was a wonderful case. I loved it.

50:04 Speaker 3: I spoke with them like multiple times. If you have

50:07 Speaker 3: one witness, I'll try to speak to them, like at

50:10 Speaker 3: the beginning of the month, I should give away my

50:13 Speaker 3: you know stuff, but I you know, I'll call them

50:17 Speaker 3: up again, you know, without giving them any you know,

50:20 Speaker 3: preamble or any warning, because I want to know they're

50:23 Speaker 3: not reading something off of a piece of paper and

50:27 Speaker 3: I want to hear the same details. If somebody's making

50:31 Speaker 3: something up, they'll try to make the story better.

50:34 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

50:35 Speaker 3: I had one case where it was a UFO that

50:38 Speaker 3: started out like eight feet across and the next thing

50:40 Speaker 3: you know, it's taken up the whole backyard. It's like, nah,

50:45 Speaker 3: it's no good, keep on changing your story. Yeah, well

50:52 Speaker 3: yeah those you know. I've had hoaxes that are hilarious.

50:56 Speaker 3: I had a filmmaker that we see, gi filmmaker.

51:00 Speaker 2: You told us this one.

51:01 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I.

51:06 Speaker 1: Find that to be I mean, yeah, yeah, but so so,

51:12 Speaker 1: And that's what I was kind of getting.

51:14 Speaker 3: Wind up on third phase of the whatever. You know, anybody.

51:19 Speaker 1: Elastic girl run across the bow on that one.

51:24 Speaker 2: I love it.

51:25 Speaker 1: Oh man, that is so hilarious. Oh I genuinely I

51:31 Speaker 1: hope everyone laughed at that.

51:32 Speaker 3: While I'm sorry listening you guys. They got some good

51:37 Speaker 3: stuff every now and then. Yeah, I mean I think

51:40 Speaker 3: it's another Yeah, a lot of my nephew is Tyler lives.

51:47 Speaker 2: Fortunately it's the brothers.

51:50 Speaker 3: The Yeah, that's okay. Hey, Look, you know, I I

51:54 Speaker 3: did not have to bust anybody's career and I and

51:58 Speaker 3: there I've had chances to do that, and I'm not

52:01 Speaker 3: into this for that. You know, I try to be petty,

52:04 Speaker 3: I try to be open minded and kind to others.

52:07 Speaker 3: I'm not out to ruin anybody's career. I'm very very

52:10 Speaker 3: careful about that. So, but if something is, you know,

52:16 Speaker 3: intentionally fraudulent, that's that is upsetting it. Mud is the field,

52:20 Speaker 3: and that doesn't help anything. No, I believe it at that.

52:26 Speaker 2: I especially think that going forward with the.

52:33 Speaker 1: What is going to be available, I mean what's already

52:36 Speaker 1: available now is unbelievable, but what what what's going to

52:40 Speaker 1: be here five years from now with artificial intelligence and

52:43 Speaker 1: video rendering, and you know, that's going to actually do

52:48 Speaker 1: a weird thing where older video becomes more valuable, yes,

52:53 Speaker 1: right and more right, more more something to take more seriously.

52:59 Speaker 1: So with the cases that you've been getting with with

53:03 Speaker 1: that that that move on has been getting I mean

53:06 Speaker 1: over the years, I have to assume that it's gone

53:10 Speaker 1: from you know, the original nuts and bolts kind of

53:13 Speaker 1: sightings to I mean obviously now you're part of something

53:17 Speaker 1: called the e r T, the Experience or Resource Team,

53:22 Speaker 1: which had a different yeah, which had a different name. Uh,

53:25 Speaker 1: But Kathleen Martin started it, well known niece of Betty

53:30 Speaker 1: and Barney Hill, who had an abduction experience.

53:33 Speaker 2: So she's my person, your mentor, yes, and your mentor.

53:38 Speaker 3: So admit to that, you know, yeah, SEV talk and

53:42 Speaker 3: myself and she's got a few mentors, but she didn't

53:45 Speaker 3: take me under her wing. And I have her to

53:48 Speaker 3: thank for helping me get over the speed bump of

53:51 Speaker 3: ontological shock myself. I had my experience. I I uh,

53:57 Speaker 3: you know, I didn't know what to make of it.

53:59 Speaker 3: The phenomenon, you know, poked back. You know, I'm poking

54:03 Speaker 3: at it. It poked back. And that's the thing that people,

54:08 Speaker 3: you know, they think that it's something that you can

54:10 Speaker 3: put on a microscope, slide and look at like you'd

54:13 Speaker 3: you know, observe a germ. But no, this thing that

54:17 Speaker 3: you know, when you look at it, that you know

54:20 Speaker 3: something I noticed, you know, repeated pattern in many cases

54:25 Speaker 3: is somebody will see a UFO way in the distance,

54:28 Speaker 3: so point at it and go, what's that. Suddenly it's

54:31 Speaker 3: right there. There's something this connection that happens mind to

54:36 Speaker 3: mind and it activates a personal experience. And I could

54:42 Speaker 3: run through relidanity of cases that I have that are

54:45 Speaker 3: like that, that run for the years. You know. I

54:48 Speaker 3: have one that was nineteen seventy four Christmas Eve with

54:51 Speaker 3: a whole family in their car waiting to stop light.

54:55 Speaker 3: And the older son and the mom are in the

54:58 Speaker 3: front seat and he points out these three lights that

55:02 Speaker 3: were very bright that were in the sky. They were

55:04 Speaker 3: just hanging there, and he said, what's that. You couldn't

55:08 Speaker 3: see other stars. As soon as he pointed at and

55:10 Speaker 3: said what's that, it was suddenly on them. It was

55:13 Speaker 3: thirty feet away from them, and it was a classic UFO.

55:18 Speaker 3: It was a disc shaped UFO with a cupola on top.

55:22 Speaker 3: It was turning all these beautiful iridescent colors. And the

55:26 Speaker 3: mom said, and she's an older woman. Now the kids

55:28 Speaker 3: are all grown up, you know. I interviewed the whole crew.

55:33 Speaker 3: They were four boys, the mom, and she said, I

55:37 Speaker 3: couldn't take my eyes off. But it was the most

55:40 Speaker 3: beautiful thing I've ever seen in my life. And the

55:43 Speaker 3: weird thing is that time seemed to slow down. There

55:47 Speaker 3: was a guy who was walking across the crosswalk and

55:51 Speaker 3: he was standing there like a statue with his leg extended.

55:55 Speaker 3: While time was passing normally for the family in the car,

56:00 Speaker 3: they experienced the OZ effect. With all the bells and

56:03 Speaker 3: whistles involved with that, external sounds were all quieted down

56:08 Speaker 3: to this very very sort of self contained quietude. They

56:12 Speaker 3: could hear each other in the car, nothing outside, no

56:16 Speaker 3: street sounds, no crickets, no going back to what they saw.

56:22 Speaker 3: You know, time was very strange for them. And one,

56:25 Speaker 3: you know, the four boys are all adults now and

56:30 Speaker 3: now this case it happened back in nineteen seventy four.

56:33 Speaker 3: And yet I have a case very much like that

56:36 Speaker 3: over a family barbecue that appened in nineteen ninety four.

56:40 Speaker 3: I have case that happened a couple of years ago

56:44 Speaker 3: that involved a whole family that it was very very similar.

56:48 Speaker 3: Somebody notices a distant UFO, they point at it and

56:52 Speaker 3: suddenly it's there. So this is why the historical cases

56:57 Speaker 3: are important to me as well as the ones that

56:59 Speaker 3: app and yes, yes, true day because you can see

57:03 Speaker 3: that there's this consistent consistency in the way that this

57:07 Speaker 3: phenomenon presents itself to people and how it changes their lives.

57:13 Speaker 1: Right, data allows us to correlate certain things, and that's

57:17 Speaker 1: what I find.

57:18 Speaker 2: You know, do you think it's more.

57:21 Speaker 1: Plausible that civilian groups, civilian lead groups could potentially blow

57:31 Speaker 1: the lid off of disclosure?

57:34 Speaker 4: Yes, by disure right, BIP.

57:38 Speaker 3: We don't have any constraints. We don't sign n d as.

57:42 Speaker 3: We're not going to lose our pension for talking about

57:45 Speaker 3: what we're talking about right now. I'm sure that was

57:48 Speaker 3: a you know, a fear for my mother and and

57:51 Speaker 3: other people that signed n d as working in in uh,

57:57 Speaker 3: you know, officialdom and coming out with this. There's a

58:00 Speaker 3: whole process. It's very difficult. You know. This is why

58:04 Speaker 3: I have respect for lou Elizondo and what he did.

58:08 Speaker 3: I don't think there's anything new in his book, but

58:11 Speaker 3: the fact that somebody is coming from official Toman boy,

58:15 Speaker 3: they tried to you know, tried to sully his name

58:19 Speaker 3: out there and but we we know, you know, they

58:22 Speaker 3: the okay, the arrow well, well a tip all right,

58:25 Speaker 3: That's what they keep on trying to go after me.

58:28 Speaker 3: They say, there's no group that you know by that name,

58:31 Speaker 3: and he wasn't ahead of it. Well, no, they kept

58:33 Speaker 3: changing the acronym so that you could put in a

58:35 Speaker 3: foyer request and you won't get anything. You get squat

58:39 Speaker 3: because you don't have the right acronym. But you know,

58:43 Speaker 3: it takes. It's a lot of work and a lot

58:46 Speaker 3: and potential blowback for these people us civilians. No, not

58:52 Speaker 3: so much. I mean, am I worried that I might be,

58:56 Speaker 3: you know, might have some negative consequences for for coming forward. Sure,

59:04 Speaker 3: that's always a risk, that's always a risk. I'm careful

59:11 Speaker 3: not to present anything that I might think is one

59:14 Speaker 3: of our programs, like a drone program or something like

59:19 Speaker 3: that that is national security oriented. I love my country,

59:23 Speaker 3: and I believe myself to be a patriot, so I'm

59:28 Speaker 3: careful about that sort of thing. But I think that

59:33 Speaker 3: civilians have an edge over officialdom because we don't have

59:37 Speaker 3: all those hurdles you know.

59:41 Speaker 2: Right now, So okay, but you in a situation, right, you.

59:47 Speaker 1: Get a case, and it's the mother of all cases,

59:53 Speaker 1: and you find out somehow, right, you get the Clairest

59:58 Speaker 1: pictures in the world, yeah, or whatever, and you drace

1:00:05 Speaker 1: it back to Lockheed or Van Denberg and they come

1:00:12 Speaker 1: to you and say that you can't reveal you know,

1:00:18 Speaker 1: you have a yes, whatever, it's a UFO.

1:00:21 Speaker 3: Happened to me if I got a visit from IF

1:00:26 Speaker 3: if that happened and it was a national security issue

1:00:30 Speaker 3: and it was something that was ours that shouldn't be

1:00:34 Speaker 3: out there, uh you know I I I actually wouldn't.

1:00:37 Speaker 3: I wouldn't present that out there. I would certainly keep

1:00:41 Speaker 3: very good notes and I would have that in my folders,

1:00:44 Speaker 3: but I.

1:00:45 Speaker 2: Would be using that against Yeah.

1:00:49 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I mean, like, you know, a UFO,

1:00:54 Speaker 1: like a flying disc. You end up tracing it back

1:00:57 Speaker 1: to Vanderberg, and you know, YadA YadA, yah, you have

1:01:00 Speaker 1: clear images of it. It's a clear cut case, right

1:01:04 Speaker 1: and and or maybe even not clearcut. You just do

1:01:07 Speaker 1: really the good leg work and figure it out and

1:01:11 Speaker 1: then all of a sudden you get a knock on

1:01:12 Speaker 1: the door and they're like, yeah, so you you know, yeah,

1:01:17 Speaker 1: so you're saying that you would you would compleational.

1:01:22 Speaker 2: Security to me.

1:01:23 Speaker 3: But it happened to Paul Benewitz and apparently he was

1:01:28 Speaker 3: watching an advanced drone program that they were, you know,

1:01:32 Speaker 3: experimenting with, and the way that they dealt with that

1:01:37 Speaker 3: was that they let him think it was aliens and

1:01:41 Speaker 3: they led him on. I think they even brought Yeah,

1:01:47 Speaker 3: Rick Doody and I've talked, you know, now, Rick, you

1:01:51 Speaker 3: know I had I had real problems with him for

1:01:54 Speaker 3: a long time.

1:01:54 Speaker 4: And maybe I think it was the best liar.

1:01:58 Speaker 3: But I heard though from somebody that knows him and

1:02:01 Speaker 3: that was working for the same people, and this is

1:02:04 Speaker 3: what I was told. The Air Force doesn't take kindly

1:02:08 Speaker 3: to people going out there and sharing our secret projects

1:02:13 Speaker 3: with potentially the Russians, the Chinese, and and Rick was

1:02:18 Speaker 3: just doing his job. Actually, he was doing his job.

1:02:23 Speaker 3: So I had to kind of step back and think

1:02:26 Speaker 3: about that a little bit more. I mean, I have

1:02:29 Speaker 3: one case that I think is probably US testing some

1:02:33 Speaker 3: sort of technology and the recurred. Okay, it was at

1:02:41 Speaker 3: a couple of different Air Force bases, and you know what,

1:02:44 Speaker 3: I kept that one of myself because I think I

1:02:47 Speaker 3: felt like I would be potentially harming our defense.

1:02:52 Speaker 2: Knocking on the wrong doors.

1:02:54 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, it wasn't like it was this.

1:02:57 Speaker 3: It was interesting, but it wasn't. It wasn't going to

1:03:00 Speaker 3: change the face of euphology.

1:03:03 Speaker 2: Yeah, it wasn't. The smoking gun.

1:03:05 Speaker 3: No. So this is the kind of that, This is

1:03:09 Speaker 3: the way that I my attitude about it right right.

1:03:13 Speaker 3: You know, I've never heard my country.

1:03:16 Speaker 2: Have you ever been to Catalina Island?

1:03:19 Speaker 3: Yeah, as kid, I have to go.

1:03:23 Speaker 2: So I want to bring you there. I want. I

1:03:26 Speaker 2: think I want to. I think I want to bring

1:03:28 Speaker 2: you there.

1:03:29 Speaker 3: Oh cool, Yeah, I'll go.

1:03:31 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going to bring you to Catalina Island.

1:03:34 Speaker 3: A camp when I was a little kid. A couple

1:03:36 Speaker 3: of summers my dad I stayed there and didn't see

1:03:41 Speaker 3: U f O, but I.

1:03:44 Speaker 2: Oh yeah I did. I did.

1:03:48 Speaker 1: And it was at the northern Tip, on the tip

1:03:51 Speaker 1: of the island, which is pretty goddamn infamous.

1:03:54 Speaker 3: The Eastern Eastern campground. I have one case I love.

1:04:00 Speaker 3: I've probably talked about it on your show. But I

1:04:03 Speaker 3: had a pilot, a commercial pilot, his wife, his brother

1:04:07 Speaker 3: in law, and they were camping East Catalina Island and

1:04:12 Speaker 3: his wife and his brother in law. They were in

1:04:14 Speaker 3: their tents getting ready to go to sleep, and he's

1:04:17 Speaker 3: out there and he saw a three hundred foot self

1:04:21 Speaker 3: illuminated sphere rise up out of the water, and it

1:04:26 Speaker 3: starts doing this crosswise dance in the air. Okay, and

1:04:30 Speaker 3: this guy is a commercial pilot, he said, as far

1:04:34 Speaker 3: as dead reckoning. He give me the exact coordinates, he said, well,

1:04:37 Speaker 3: I know the coordinates because I fly that path all

1:04:40 Speaker 3: the time. So he's yelling at his wife, you know,

1:04:44 Speaker 3: bringing the binoculars. I should have said bring the iPhone,

1:04:47 Speaker 3: but I wouldn't know. But anyway, this thing resubmerged. Okay,

1:04:52 Speaker 3: three hundred feet across, self illuminated, no surface markings, just

1:04:56 Speaker 3: like God's own golden pearl.

1:05:00 Speaker 2: Right.

1:05:01 Speaker 3: So he's like telling them, well, you guys missed the

1:05:04 Speaker 3: whole thing, and it re everges. Okay, So now we have,

1:05:09 Speaker 3: you know, three pair of eyes on this thing. One

1:05:12 Speaker 3: of them is a commercial pilot familiar with the area.

1:05:17 Speaker 3: And then came back in the drink and it came

1:05:20 Speaker 3: back out. This time he had binoculars. He said, you

1:05:22 Speaker 3: could see the water running off of it, so it

1:05:24 Speaker 3: add a surface to it. And again, okay, three hundred

1:05:28 Speaker 3: feet across, and it's doing this crosswise dance in the air.

1:05:32 Speaker 3: It sat there for a second and it split into

1:05:35 Speaker 3: two objects. What yes, no, that's not us. We can't

1:05:40 Speaker 3: do that. Two golden spheres hating there in the sky

1:05:45 Speaker 3: and then they both shoot up out of the atmosphere.

1:05:48 Speaker 3: And I have three pair of eyes that saw this thing,

1:05:50 Speaker 3: and one is a commercial pilot, so one knows trust

1:05:54 Speaker 3: our lives too.

1:05:57 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think, like, because I've had Sallas on

1:06:00 Speaker 1: the show, guys people like that have to report if

1:06:05 Speaker 1: they take Thailan all yep, right, these are the people

1:06:11 Speaker 1: that if China gets a little bit out of hand,

1:06:15 Speaker 1: like in the case of the USS nimics, right, people

1:06:18 Speaker 1: forget that. In the nineties, we sent the Nimtz Battle

1:06:22 Speaker 1: Group into the Strait between China and Taiwan, and that's

1:06:28 Speaker 1: all we needed to do to show China in the nineties.

1:06:34 Speaker 1: Albeit they have a much better navy and air force now,

1:06:37 Speaker 1: but all we had to do is roll the Nimtz

1:06:40 Speaker 1: Battle Group into the strait. And then China was like, Okay,

1:06:44 Speaker 1: we're gonna stop doing drills over Taiwan.

1:06:48 Speaker 2: But the Knimts that sighting, I mean, it's it is.

1:06:57 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that area right, Cataline Island, right, and that's

1:07:01 Speaker 1: your coordinates.

1:07:03 Speaker 3: Okay to Kevin day after I spoke with this pilot.

1:07:05 Speaker 3: You know, I'm friends with Kevin. Yeah, and he just

1:07:10 Speaker 3: took a photograph of the old He had a photograph

1:07:13 Speaker 3: of the old log book with the coordinates. He said, well,

1:07:16 Speaker 3: here's where he was, and these are the coordinates where

1:07:18 Speaker 3: we first saw the tic TAC. His exact same spot

1:07:21 Speaker 3: in the Pacific Ocean, same exact spot. There's something going

1:07:26 Speaker 3: on down there, Carolina Island.

1:07:29 Speaker 1: You know, I have Kevin's coordinates, So you're telling me

1:07:33 Speaker 1: that those are coordinates in a similar area. Yeah, for

1:07:39 Speaker 1: this incident they're talking about right now.

1:07:41 Speaker 3: Well, there was where Okay, this is where they originally

1:07:45 Speaker 3: saw the tic TAC where it was hovering over the

1:07:47 Speaker 3: water and you could see the royal ing of the

1:07:49 Speaker 3: waves underneath, like it was disturbing the water underneath itself. Right,

1:07:55 Speaker 3: And a lot of people believe it came out of

1:07:57 Speaker 3: the water initially, although you know they they didn't report

1:08:01 Speaker 3: that in the original report, but that was kind of

1:08:03 Speaker 3: a feeling around it.

1:08:05 Speaker 4: So I have a lot.

1:08:07 Speaker 3: Of cases in that area, a lot.

1:08:09 Speaker 1: So so he's got three three people have eyes on

1:08:17 Speaker 1: this craft that comes out of the water.

1:08:20 Speaker 2: You could see the water coming off of it.

1:08:23 Speaker 3: I love that case.

1:08:25 Speaker 2: So and then they shoot into the atmosphere.

1:08:31 Speaker 3: So it was trans medium travel is like from water

1:08:34 Speaker 3: to air to space. Well, I don't believe you didn't

1:08:36 Speaker 3: do that. And this thing when it went back into

1:08:39 Speaker 3: the drink, it just shut down in okay from very

1:08:42 Speaker 3: high you know, altitude, and that would be like hitting

1:08:46 Speaker 3: concrete for us. So the surface tensure of the ocean

1:08:50 Speaker 3: doesn't matter to them. Yeah, they they're shooting.

1:08:55 Speaker 1: Back into the atmosphere and essentially turning any biolog logical

1:09:00 Speaker 1: being that is uh susceptible to inertia to jelly.

1:09:08 Speaker 2: So these are.

1:09:09 Speaker 3: Not good for you.

1:09:11 Speaker 2: How big did they yeah?

1:09:15 Speaker 3: Or something?

1:09:15 Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, you would, you'd be missed literally missed

1:09:21 Speaker 1: m I S T.

1:09:23 Speaker 2: But how big were they saying that? These craft these

1:09:26 Speaker 2: three cross.

1:09:28 Speaker 3: Three split into two like mitosis like you yeah, crazy.

1:09:37 Speaker 4: It's like the.

1:09:39 Speaker 1: What's that video the one where you see it's going

1:09:43 Speaker 1: it's going over the water.

1:09:45 Speaker 3: Oh right, right, rich Hoffman, he kind of U is

1:09:49 Speaker 3: a group kind of on that case.

1:09:53 Speaker 1: And then it goes into the water. They're got they're

1:09:56 Speaker 1: like splash, splash, slash, and it comes out and then

1:09:58 Speaker 1: and then it's what's into two? The fun's so we

1:10:03 Speaker 1: hear of that pretty commonly.

1:10:05 Speaker 2: Am I am, I am?

1:10:06 Speaker 5: I not?

1:10:07 Speaker 2: Is that right?

1:10:08 Speaker 3: Yeah? I know you're correct. I had another case that

1:10:12 Speaker 3: came in, uh, and it was a boat captain and

1:10:16 Speaker 3: it was just like a fishing boat and his crew

1:10:19 Speaker 3: and they're out there and they see what they think

1:10:22 Speaker 3: is the full moon in the sky, and then they

1:10:25 Speaker 3: realized that it was a crescent moon that night, and

1:10:27 Speaker 3: there's the moon over there, and there's this spherical object

1:10:31 Speaker 3: hovering over and it gets closer and closer, and his

1:10:35 Speaker 3: whole crew they were like shuddering on the deck, like scared. Uh.

1:10:39 Speaker 3: Didn't know what to make of it. And this guy

1:10:42 Speaker 3: put in his report and he was scared to put

1:10:45 Speaker 3: that report in. He was afraid for his job. He

1:10:47 Speaker 3: was afraid, you know, maybe he was seeing something that

1:10:51 Speaker 3: was a secret program. But you know, he finally put

1:10:54 Speaker 3: the report in because he said, I don't believe that

1:10:56 Speaker 3: we are at the technological level to create anything like that.

1:11:01 Speaker 3: They thought it was the literal mood. So these spherical objects,

1:11:06 Speaker 3: people keep seeing them, and the reports keep coming in

1:11:09 Speaker 3: about these, and they're generally military or fishing boats or

1:11:14 Speaker 3: you know, they're they're people with no reason to you know,

1:11:18 Speaker 3: with everything to lose by putting in a UFO report.

1:11:22 Speaker 3: So I take a lot of care with those and

1:11:24 Speaker 3: have a lot of respect for those people that come

1:11:26 Speaker 3: forward and keep you safe. You'll never hear any of

1:11:30 Speaker 3: these people's names or any kind of personal information, you know.

1:11:34 Speaker 3: I've retired forty years as a nurse. We understood hip

1:11:37 Speaker 3: a law, and that that's pretty much what I had

1:11:41 Speaker 3: here too. If somebody wants to go forward and share

1:11:45 Speaker 3: their name, and I've had a couple of cases like that,

1:11:48 Speaker 3: Susan Alloway, I could say her day because she came,

1:11:51 Speaker 3: you know, she decided to go public. She's the one

1:11:54 Speaker 3: with the jack rabbit case where they weren't jack rabbits.

1:11:57 Speaker 3: They all turn around and there are little gray friends

1:12:00 Speaker 3: with black eyes. But that was up to her, and

1:12:04 Speaker 3: that's up to the person. The person wants to come forward.

1:12:08 Speaker 3: I tell them, you know, the possible consequences, because there

1:12:12 Speaker 3: are there's ridicule, all kinds of stuff. But I will

1:12:16 Speaker 3: very very much so support that person and I'll stand

1:12:20 Speaker 3: with them, and then publicly I'll stand with them attached

1:12:25 Speaker 3: to their veracity.

1:12:28 Speaker 1: But only I was gonna say, only if you deem

1:12:31 Speaker 1: it to be a case that is legitimate, not an if.

1:12:37 Speaker 3: No, if I say something is a good case and

1:12:40 Speaker 3: it turns out that somebody you know, took a photo

1:12:43 Speaker 3: of a reflection of their Star Trek model heating from

1:12:47 Speaker 3: the Ceilead or something, and I mean, I'm the one

1:12:49 Speaker 3: that will wind up being laughed at. Careful, I try

1:12:56 Speaker 3: to keep my own cases.

1:12:58 Speaker 2: Well, that's I think that's a very healthy thing to do.

1:13:01 Speaker 1: Is you can't because you know, you can't allow bias

1:13:08 Speaker 1: into science. It's that's how we that's how we can

1:13:12 Speaker 1: coct these narratives and and and we don't want to

1:13:18 Speaker 1: go outside them because because we think, you know, we

1:13:22 Speaker 1: we we got it all figured out.

1:13:23 Speaker 2: Well, joke's on you. You know.

1:13:26 Speaker 1: The big surprise is nobody's got it figured out, and

1:13:29 Speaker 1: we're all winging it day by day, literally, like stop

1:13:32 Speaker 1: kidding ourselves. You know, when I was growing up, I

1:13:35 Speaker 1: looked at my parents like, oh my god, you know,

1:13:37 Speaker 1: they have all the answers to if every question I

1:13:41 Speaker 1: ever asked, they know the answer. And it wasn't until

1:13:43 Speaker 1: I realized I grew up that I realized they're humans.

1:13:47 Speaker 1: They're winging it day by day just like every other person.

1:13:53 Speaker 2: You see, nobody knows what they're doing.

1:13:55 Speaker 1: We're just trying to make it through another god damn day, right,

1:14:01 Speaker 1: And and that's the big that's that's the big, the curtain, right,

1:14:09 Speaker 1: you know, not Santa Claus isn't real that one hurt.

1:14:12 Speaker 2: That one hurt.

1:14:13 Speaker 3: But my dad didn't let me believe in Santa Claus.

1:14:17 Speaker 2: Oh Jesus, Jesus, I kind of wish didn't.

1:14:23 Speaker 1: But yeah, no, it's it's when you realize, you know,

1:14:27 Speaker 1: that adults aren't aren't superheroes because you know then you know,

1:14:31 Speaker 1: you want to believe they are, because that.

1:14:33 Speaker 2: Would make you a hero or a villain or whatever.

1:14:36 Speaker 2: But it's not safety.

1:14:40 Speaker 3: We want our little safe space and protection. And but

1:14:44 Speaker 3: we're all kind of you grow up people out here,

1:14:47 Speaker 3: and we're all pretty much, you know, subject to the

1:14:51 Speaker 3: same stuff.

1:14:52 Speaker 4: So well, what do you think?

1:14:55 Speaker 2: What do you think? I mean, the tides are clearly turning, right.

1:14:58 Speaker 1: I would say fifty years ago, if you if you

1:15:02 Speaker 1: surveyed one hundred people and said, you know, are we

1:15:05 Speaker 1: alone in the universe, most of them would say probably no,

1:15:09 Speaker 1: you know, we're the only game in town. But if

1:15:12 Speaker 1: you took that same survey today, I think it'd be

1:15:15 Speaker 1: the exact opposite.

1:15:18 Speaker 2: So, uh, what.

1:15:20 Speaker 1: In today's age when people are are they're more open

1:15:24 Speaker 1: and and they're they're more They're not like they were

1:15:28 Speaker 1: post World War Two where you were just told to

1:15:30 Speaker 1: rub some dirt.

1:15:30 Speaker 2: In it and get over it.

1:15:33 Speaker 1: You know, the people are talking about things that happened

1:15:38 Speaker 1: to them. Are you Is that the why are more

1:15:43 Speaker 1: people not reporting to move on? Because for every case

1:15:46 Speaker 1: you get, there's probably four or five that.

1:15:48 Speaker 3: You don't fear a lot of times it's fear. Sometimes

1:15:53 Speaker 3: people don't know that there's even a move fond to

1:15:55 Speaker 3: report to. That's why. I mean, I'm constantly constant telling

1:16:00 Speaker 3: people on podcasts and radio, and you know, I teach

1:16:05 Speaker 3: a class and eufology over at Otis College of Art

1:16:08 Speaker 3: and Design, for God's sake, and I make sure that

1:16:11 Speaker 3: every one of my students sy get the little moof

1:16:13 Speaker 3: on pamphlet. I But yeah, I think that we only

1:16:20 Speaker 3: get a certain percentage of those sidings, and a lot

1:16:25 Speaker 3: of it I think is fear. Sometimes. You know, again,

1:16:31 Speaker 3: people are afraid maybe I saw something that was a

1:16:33 Speaker 3: secret project that was from the government. Sometimes people will

1:16:38 Speaker 3: be afraid that if I you know, if I poke

1:16:41 Speaker 3: at it. It might poke back and well, yeah, that is

1:16:43 Speaker 3: that is actually you know, that does happen. You know,

1:16:47 Speaker 3: but I haven't experienced anything that I would consider a

1:16:52 Speaker 3: negative or everything that has happened to me I feel

1:16:57 Speaker 3: has been to kind of give me a little more

1:16:59 Speaker 3: under standing. I feel like this phenomenon is intelligent, that

1:17:03 Speaker 3: it isn't malevolent. I think that I don't think that

1:17:07 Speaker 3: it's like et you know, and everything's Reese's pieces, so

1:17:13 Speaker 3: to speak. That there you have a variety of various

1:17:18 Speaker 3: and sundry entities that I think are visiting us and

1:17:22 Speaker 3: abmen visiting us. They don't all have great motives. It's

1:17:25 Speaker 3: like humanity, but that's usually what I you know, turn

1:17:29 Speaker 3: back around to people when they want to say, oh,

1:17:31 Speaker 3: these are demons, I say, well, okay, let's turn the tables.

1:17:34 Speaker 3: If you turned on you, if you were not a

1:17:37 Speaker 3: human and you suddenly were able to watch a human

1:17:40 Speaker 3: news broadcast, see all of our wars and fears and

1:17:44 Speaker 3: prejudices and hatreds out there, you might say that we

1:17:49 Speaker 3: were demons, and we're not. We're simply creatures with freedom

1:17:54 Speaker 3: of will. When you have free will, you've got a

1:17:59 Speaker 3: panopoly of choices and they're not always good. So I

1:18:03 Speaker 3: think that's what we're dealing with.

1:18:08 Speaker 1: That was remarkable, Man, I've never heard that that analogy,

1:18:11 Speaker 1: but that's that's like a reverse analogy that that really

1:18:14 Speaker 1: works well. Because what so, what do you say about

1:18:20 Speaker 1: what do you think about this notion that because you know,

1:18:24 Speaker 1: Ross Coultart has said it.

1:18:26 Speaker 2: I think he said it on the most recent episode

1:18:28 Speaker 2: of his his reality check show.

1:18:34 Speaker 1: I've had people on the show, like Michael Herrera, Eric

1:18:37 Speaker 1: Hacker that are saying that we are nefariously uh the

1:18:45 Speaker 1: more hostile, and we are bringing these UFOs down. Hence

1:18:51 Speaker 1: you know why a lot of them do go down

1:18:53 Speaker 1: near military installations.

1:18:55 Speaker 3: Or nuclear facility. How I would wish that are where

1:19:01 Speaker 3: the military are aren't very good ambassadors to the stars,

1:19:05 Speaker 3: let's just put it that way. And there's a shoot

1:19:08 Speaker 3: him down order has been for a long long time.

1:19:12 Speaker 1: That's not good, and and and and like and what

1:19:16 Speaker 1: my my fear is, what if they're entering us into

1:19:19 Speaker 1: some what if what if one of these And I

1:19:23 Speaker 1: know you say you've come to this con not conclusion,

1:19:26 Speaker 1: but you lean in the favor that there's either indifference

1:19:30 Speaker 1: on their part or.

1:19:34 Speaker 3: Benevolent rules. I think something like the crime Directive.

1:19:38 Speaker 4: Is in place, right, But you know, this is.

1:19:41 Speaker 3: Why people that want them to solve all of our problems. Well,

1:19:44 Speaker 3: we're you know, a work in progress, and I think

1:19:46 Speaker 3: that we're still proving ourselves. And you know, I like

1:19:50 Speaker 3: to say that, you know, I think that our visitors

1:19:54 Speaker 3: that they would like Star Trek to happen, but there's

1:19:58 Speaker 3: a fear that if they let us out as we

1:20:00 Speaker 3: are right now, we would create star Wars. You just

1:20:04 Speaker 3: have to look at the way that we treat each

1:20:05 Speaker 3: other on this planet. I mean, you know, there's not

1:20:11 Speaker 3: a good history behind us. And let's hope that our visitors,

1:20:17 Speaker 3: you know, are a little more advanced than you know.

1:20:20 Speaker 3: I mean, you look at us, and we came to

1:20:22 Speaker 3: the New World, and we brought our diseases, and we

1:20:25 Speaker 3: we you know, traded them trinkets for all their land,

1:20:29 Speaker 3: and we kind of did these terrible things. And let's

1:20:34 Speaker 3: hope that that's not But you know, I don't see

1:20:37 Speaker 3: them coming here and taking our land and taking given

1:20:40 Speaker 3: us trinkets, and you know, I don't see the evidence

1:20:44 Speaker 3: for a malevolent takeover. It really looks to me like

1:20:50 Speaker 3: we are being observed. I think that there is probably

1:20:54 Speaker 3: concern that we could go out there and become a

1:20:59 Speaker 3: species that exploits it's you know, other species that are

1:21:04 Speaker 3: less technologically advanced than ourselves. I think that we were

1:21:09 Speaker 3: a concern, but I think that we're probably of interest

1:21:12 Speaker 3: to them because they keep coming back. They keep coming back,

1:21:16 Speaker 3: even though we shoot them down. They keep.

1:21:20 Speaker 1: Yeah, No, that's a that's an absolutely great point that

1:21:22 Speaker 1: you make, because I don't.

1:21:24 Speaker 2: I always hated that comparison when.

1:21:27 Speaker 1: They're like, well, we'd be like ants observing all we do,

1:21:31 Speaker 1: observe ants.

1:21:33 Speaker 3: We observe it.

1:21:34 Speaker 4: Come on, guys, that's all they do.

1:21:37 Speaker 2: Yeah, never heard of an ant pharologist.

1:21:41 Speaker 1: Right, like geez uh And we and we bag and

1:21:44 Speaker 1: tag lions and in the safari right, so you know,

1:21:51 Speaker 1: they go back to their lion in front.

1:21:53 Speaker 3: We hover over them, we tranquilize them, we tag them,

1:21:57 Speaker 3: we hopefully give them antibiotics if there's something wrong with them,

1:22:01 Speaker 3: and then we come back a year later and see

1:22:03 Speaker 3: where they are and see what they're doing. We follow

1:22:05 Speaker 3: the same exact uh, you know pattern, and that's kind

1:22:09 Speaker 3: of what I see happen in the year.

1:22:11 Speaker 1: So yeah, put little implants in them and they go

1:22:15 Speaker 1: back to their lion friends and they're like, dude, you

1:22:17 Speaker 1: never believe the fucking day I had. I got taken by.

1:22:22 Speaker 2: These things and I woke up on a table and

1:22:26 Speaker 2: real familiar, doesn't it?

1:22:28 Speaker 5: It does?

1:22:28 Speaker 3: It does?

1:22:30 Speaker 1: So h I highly highly so one of the I

1:22:36 Speaker 1: know we were you, We're way pastime, but I wanna,

1:22:45 Speaker 1: I wanna leave with with this now lately now lately,

1:22:52 Speaker 1: uh put you full screen by accident.

1:22:55 Speaker 2: But lately I've been thinking.

1:22:57 Speaker 1: About this and it's, uh, it's it's alarming because and

1:23:04 Speaker 1: I know you don't normally talk about this kind of stuff,

1:23:08 Speaker 1: but it seems we are at a critical juncture in

1:23:14 Speaker 1: human history. There are wars being fought over land and territory,

1:23:24 Speaker 1: you know, uh, in the Middle East, and then you

1:23:29 Speaker 1: know the Ukraine Russian thing. You know, we got a

1:23:32 Speaker 1: weird of uh reality show election coming up very and yeah,

1:23:40 Speaker 1: and I just the future, the future seems, you know, uh,

1:23:51 Speaker 1: just a little. I know if the word bleak is

1:23:54 Speaker 1: the right answer, but but what do you see going forward?

1:24:02 Speaker 2: With all the good we see?

1:24:04 Speaker 1: I mean I just sat now with Tim Burchett last week,

1:24:08 Speaker 1: and you know, he's amazing, you know, I don't agree

1:24:13 Speaker 1: with this all of his politics, but him and I can.

1:24:16 Speaker 2: Sit down and have a conversation.

1:24:17 Speaker 3: Sure I could know UAP.

1:24:19 Speaker 2: So how do we right right? Bipartisans?

1:24:24 Speaker 3: It's not crazy where they're reaching across the aisle and

1:24:29 Speaker 3: you have all these people that are usually at each

1:24:31 Speaker 3: other's throats, but somehow or another, this subject it shuts

1:24:38 Speaker 3: all that down and people are working together. And maybe

1:24:44 Speaker 3: that is a sign that this maybe what humanity needs

1:24:49 Speaker 3: right now is a little bit of good disclosure, you know,

1:24:54 Speaker 3: because right now we're just ingrown.

1:24:57 Speaker 5: You know.

1:24:57 Speaker 3: It's like an ingrown hair. It's just irritating, and it's

1:25:02 Speaker 3: it's it's just humanity is just like, you know, judging

1:25:06 Speaker 3: itself and calling ourselves our enemy and the worst. You know,

1:25:11 Speaker 3: it's like the enemy win and all this stuff. And

1:25:15 Speaker 3: I think maybe, you know, you play that little clip

1:25:18 Speaker 3: of President Reagan at the beginning where he talks about

1:25:22 Speaker 3: maybe a threat from outer space would cause us to

1:25:25 Speaker 3: work together, and I don't think it even needs it

1:25:27 Speaker 3: doesn't even need to be a threat. I think if

1:25:29 Speaker 3: people realize that we're being observed, that maybe we're being judged,

1:25:34 Speaker 3: and maybe the future of humanity it has to do

1:25:37 Speaker 3: with you know, if you guys can treat each other well,

1:25:40 Speaker 3: then maybe we can trust you with you know, the

1:25:44 Speaker 3: greater picture and and maybe Star Trek or something you

1:25:48 Speaker 3: know comparable is possible. And that gives me hope and

1:25:53 Speaker 3: that causes me to really work hard and really kind

1:25:58 Speaker 3: of and I don't think that I have an over

1:26:01 Speaker 3: like naive idea of what this is. And you know,

1:26:07 Speaker 3: there's some dark elements to this phenomenon, you know, the

1:26:10 Speaker 3: Cholaos case and things like that, but I do think

1:26:17 Speaker 3: that perhaps we are at that nexus point now where

1:26:21 Speaker 3: something where humanity is going to enter into the space age.

1:26:28 Speaker 3: You know, Kurtzweil called it the singularity. It's going to happen, Okay,

1:26:34 Speaker 3: I mean the AI situation and what's happening with our technology.

1:26:39 Speaker 3: We're at that point now where it's like a breaking

1:26:42 Speaker 3: point humanity is going to change. Alvin Toffler had a

1:26:45 Speaker 3: book called Future Shock that came out in the nineteen seventies. Well,

1:26:49 Speaker 3: here's the future, and here is the shock. And to

1:26:52 Speaker 3: get past that, I think the disclosure and the hope

1:26:56 Speaker 3: that is inherent in the fact that this other civilization

1:27:01 Speaker 3: or many civilizations they survived this period in their history.

1:27:05 Speaker 3: They got past this and here they are, They're traversing

1:27:08 Speaker 3: the stars. And maybe someday that will be us. Maybe

1:27:12 Speaker 3: we will be the aliens that are visiting another planet

1:27:16 Speaker 3: and and putting implants, you know, in their ears or

1:27:21 Speaker 3: you know, wherever.

1:27:22 Speaker 4: Yeah, whatever, Yeah, maybe that.

1:27:25 Speaker 3: You know, is something that we have to look forward to,

1:27:28 Speaker 3: if if we can survive ourselves, get past this hard,

1:27:33 Speaker 3: difficult point we're at right now, stop beating on each other,

1:27:38 Speaker 3: start working together towards a better future. You know, it

1:27:43 Speaker 3: sounds naive, but I don't think it's naive. You know,

1:27:46 Speaker 3: now there's a great, big, beautiful tomorrow, you know, I

1:27:50 Speaker 3: mean there could be. I think that there could be.

1:27:53 Speaker 1: Well, I know, I know that we talked about this

1:27:57 Speaker 1: off there, but that effect when an astronaut looks or

1:28:01 Speaker 1: any person in space looks back and looks on Earth,

1:28:05 Speaker 1: there's no borders, right, there's no We.

1:28:09 Speaker 2: Are in this together.

1:28:10 Speaker 1: And and I think I think that was amazing, amazingly described.

1:28:16 Speaker 1: And you beat me to what I was asked getting to.

1:28:18 Speaker 1: And in the sense that in.

1:28:21 Speaker 2: All the in all this, all this.

1:28:25 Speaker 1: All this chaos, could disclosure actually be the path that

1:28:32 Speaker 1: unites and and again, let's I know the threats and

1:28:36 Speaker 1: the threat and that the possibility of a threat, and

1:28:40 Speaker 1: you know the Alexander line and not that I know

1:28:42 Speaker 1: you you know.

1:28:43 Speaker 2: People.

1:28:45 Speaker 4: To think yes, and that's the that.

1:28:48 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I and I you know what, I feel

1:28:51 Speaker 2: safer for it.

1:28:52 Speaker 4: I feel I do, But I don't think.

1:28:56 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think we should be shooting them down

1:28:59 Speaker 1: with that. This is not a situation where you shoot

1:29:02 Speaker 1: first and ask questions later. That's not how this works.

1:29:06 Speaker 1: So I don't want my government or my military making

1:29:11 Speaker 1: choices that could affect the entire planet. So I know

1:29:18 Speaker 1: we have to meet them halfway, but they have to

1:29:19 Speaker 1: meet us halfway. And that's how this is gonna work

1:29:22 Speaker 1: going forward. And yeah, I see it. I definitely uniting.

1:29:27 Speaker 1: And I just again I want to say thank you, Earle.

1:29:32 Speaker 1: You're just so fun to always have a conversation with.

1:29:35 Speaker 1: And we're actually going to be working you in to

1:29:40 Speaker 1: our Curse Echoes documentary because you do have experience.

1:29:46 Speaker 2: With experiencers and some of the more you.

1:29:52 Speaker 1: Know, talking about more paranormal side and I can't wait

1:29:58 Speaker 1: to do that. And what else do you got going on?

1:30:03 Speaker 1: I know you, you know, you have so much that you.

1:30:05 Speaker 3: Use busy, just the usual, uh, you know, case reports

1:30:10 Speaker 3: and with with you know, we're already starting to plan

1:30:15 Speaker 3: the twenty twenty five symposium. I'm very excited about that.

1:30:19 Speaker 3: I'll be on a symposia committee. Oh that's good, the good,

1:30:23 Speaker 3: good good.

1:30:25 Speaker 6: I can't say who yet, but I've kind of I've

1:30:30 Speaker 6: been getting some good, interesting people that haven't spoken to

1:30:33 Speaker 6: Buffon one guy since the nineteen nineties.

1:30:37 Speaker 4: Yeah, and.

1:30:39 Speaker 3: I'm very thrilled about that. But I can't. I can't

1:30:42 Speaker 3: say I've Marquetta, my boss and the supposia committee would

1:30:46 Speaker 3: would have me in a sling, So.

1:30:48 Speaker 4: I yeah, do that.

1:30:51 Speaker 3: But if you day really good, that's next July. So

1:30:56 Speaker 3: that's keeping me busy, my case, you know, my casework,

1:31:00 Speaker 3: my my wonderful team. You know, we do have our

1:31:04 Speaker 3: our live in person meetings here in southern California. If

1:31:07 Speaker 3: you go to so cal moofon s O C A

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1:31:20 Speaker 3: our you know, when we have a speaker that's going

1:31:23 Speaker 3: to be speaking within the next month or so, that

1:31:27 Speaker 3: is presented there for you. Also, you can go there

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1:31:32 Speaker 3: little buttons up on the top right hand side of

1:31:36 Speaker 3: the page and if you click on that, it'll say

1:31:39 Speaker 3: our team. I do write a blog, a regular blog

1:31:43 Speaker 3: in there. And so that's that's a good place where

1:31:48 Speaker 3: you can guys can go. And it also has a

1:31:52 Speaker 3: link to moofon dot com. If you've seen a UFO

1:31:56 Speaker 3: or you've had a you've had an experience with beings,

1:32:01 Speaker 3: you can go and click on there. It'll take you

1:32:03 Speaker 3: over to MoveOn dot com or easier, just go to

1:32:06 Speaker 3: mofon dot com and that's where you can go. And

1:32:09 Speaker 3: we work regionally. So if you're in southern California and

1:32:13 Speaker 3: you see a UFO here, somebody from my team in

1:32:18 Speaker 3: Southern California will get your case and I promise you

1:32:22 Speaker 3: I'll treat you with the respect. And if it's not myself,

1:32:26 Speaker 3: it's somebody that I've trained and somebody will will do

1:32:31 Speaker 3: due diligence on your case. Same goes for northern California,

1:32:35 Speaker 3: same goes for Ohio, Pennsylvania, wherever you live. If you're

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1:32:48 Speaker 3: is where you go to report your UFO sidings, or

1:32:51 Speaker 3: if you have a more esoteric, face to face kind

1:32:55 Speaker 3: of experience, then you would hit report and aduction or

1:33:00 Speaker 3: an entity. Yeah, and there you go. That's what I

1:33:05 Speaker 3: have to report to you guys. And that's about that.

1:33:08 Speaker 3: That's it. That's enough.

1:33:11 Speaker 1: Uh And I will have all of those uh links

1:33:15 Speaker 1: and stuff in the description of this episode. Ear like

1:33:21 Speaker 1: I said, you're always wonderful to talk to and uh,

1:33:25 Speaker 1: I just I can't thank you enough for all the

1:33:26 Speaker 1: work that you do.

1:33:28 Speaker 2: And uh, like I said, if.

1:33:30 Speaker 1: If you guys don't report your sightings, then you know,

1:33:35 Speaker 1: we can't.

1:33:36 Speaker 4: Yeah, we can't understand, that's right.

1:33:42 Speaker 2: And and then now.

1:33:45 Speaker 1: Yes we we this effects every single person on the earth.

1:33:49 Speaker 1: So if you have a sighting, report it, even if

1:33:52 Speaker 1: you don't think or can you report anonymously?

1:33:56 Speaker 4: Uh yeah, yeah you can?

1:33:59 Speaker 3: Yes, Okay, I mean you know, there's a little button

1:34:03 Speaker 3: that you can hit and it says do you wish

1:34:05 Speaker 3: to remain anonymous? And you just click that, and we

1:34:08 Speaker 3: respect that absolutely, and even if you forget to do that,

1:34:14 Speaker 3: we don't make it a practice of putting people's names

1:34:17 Speaker 3: out there along with their cases.

1:34:20 Speaker 2: We're very, very careful. So if you want your case, yeah,

1:34:25 Speaker 2: if you.

1:34:25 Speaker 1: Want your case investigated, you know, you obviously use a name.

1:34:29 Speaker 2: But if you just you know, it doesn't hurt. Even

1:34:31 Speaker 2: if you have.

1:34:31 Speaker 1: A sighting and want to remain anonymous, give as much

1:34:34 Speaker 1: detail as you can and you know whatever, just report it.

1:34:39 Speaker 3: To have an email. There have some way for us

1:34:42 Speaker 3: to get a hold of you, but your name will

1:34:43 Speaker 3: not be put out there in any you know, if

1:34:47 Speaker 3: you want to go out and you want to write

1:34:49 Speaker 3: a news article or go on Ancient Aliens or something

1:34:54 Speaker 3: and use your name and image and and I had

1:34:57 Speaker 3: your case and if you ask me, I'm happy to

1:35:01 Speaker 3: back you up. And I've done that for people. But

1:35:04 Speaker 3: as far as me going out and putting people's names

1:35:07 Speaker 3: out and any information that they might be recognized in

1:35:11 Speaker 3: public by huh uh, I don't do that. I wouldn't

1:35:14 Speaker 3: want somebody to do that to me. So that's I mean.

1:35:18 Speaker 1: I've I've told my earl my own stories and he's

1:35:22 Speaker 1: he has not told anyone from you know, so uh A.

1:35:29 Speaker 2: Thank you everybody for watching tonight's or today's show.

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1:36:32 Speaker 1: Earl again, thank you for being such a good sport.

1:36:34 Speaker 3: Thank you so much.

1:36:35 Speaker 5: Tell you have a good one

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