Joe Rogan Interviews Dr Steven Greer (REMOVED FROM JRE) SPECIAL PRESENTATION: THE LOST TAPE

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2:22 Speaker 1: Well that's in July.

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2:25 Speaker 1: Far away, Yeah, too far away. All right, Doctor Stephen

2:27 Speaker 1: Greer is here. We are going to get to the

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2:53 Speaker 1: For the folks who are tuning into this ironically on

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3:00 Speaker 1: doctor Stephen Greer. If you don't know who doctor Greer is,

3:03 Speaker 1: there's a thing that a lot of people are aware

3:05 Speaker 1: of that came out. This was twenty twenty eleven, the

3:08 Speaker 1: Disclosure Project?

3:09 Speaker 2: Was it in two thousand and one?

3:12 Speaker 1: Did I say eleven?

3:12 Speaker 2: I met?

3:13 Speaker 1: One? I met right around September eleventh. That's where the

3:15 Speaker 1: eleven came from my head. Two thousand and one. It

3:19 Speaker 1: was huge in the Internet, huge point of controversy and

3:25 Speaker 1: a topic of conversation. It was you on stage introducing

3:30 Speaker 1: this Disclosure Project, explaining how much information you had access

3:36 Speaker 1: to about alien spacecraft's visiting Earth, and how many distinguished,

3:41 Speaker 1: high ranking military people, and that was where it got shocking.

3:46 Speaker 2: Agreed with you.

3:46 Speaker 1: That was where it got shocking, because that was the

3:49 Speaker 1: first time we'd ever seen like high ranking military officers,

3:52 Speaker 1: one after another, testify that they had personal encounters with

3:58 Speaker 1: things that are not of this world. People who would

4:00 Speaker 1: know the difference between black ops technology, the current military

4:06 Speaker 1: defense projects that might be secret, and people that would

4:10 Speaker 1: know also who to talk to about these things if

4:14 Speaker 1: they did think it was a black ops but they knew,

4:17 Speaker 1: and it was in my opinion that video is probably

4:21 Speaker 1: one of the most important videos ever when it comes

4:24 Speaker 1: to extraterrestrial life or the idea of extraterrestrial life visiting Earth,

4:29 Speaker 1: because the conversations that I've ever had that I've always

4:33 Speaker 1: had with rational people, especially rational people who are not

4:37 Speaker 1: obsessed by aliens like I've been my whole life, but

4:40 Speaker 1: rational people who just you know, Oh, I don't know.

4:43 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's real or not. But you know,

4:45 Speaker 1: where's the evidence. I'm sure there's alien.

4:48 Speaker 2: Life out there? Has it visited us? Oh?

4:51 Speaker 1: I don't, probably not right. When you see that video

4:54 Speaker 1: and you see those high ranking military guys one after

4:58 Speaker 1: another give these very not just believable, but they're kind

5:03 Speaker 1: of they're spooky. There's are spooky stories because the way

5:06 Speaker 1: they're talking about them, you could see in their face,

5:09 Speaker 1: the emotions as they're recounting the just the shear, to

5:13 Speaker 1: use a word, alienness of their experience. We had never

5:17 Speaker 1: really seen anything like that before. It had always been well,

5:20 Speaker 1: I guess they probably could be out there, but who knows.

5:25 Speaker 1: When I watched that video, it was a real it

5:28 Speaker 1: was a real shift because it was one of the

5:32 Speaker 1: first things that ever saw that made me really stop

5:35 Speaker 1: and think. There's a part of everybody that doesn't want

5:38 Speaker 1: to get duped. And when it comes to a subject,

5:40 Speaker 1: especially an important subject like UFOs, there's a part of

5:43 Speaker 1: everybody that goes you want to call bullshit right away,

5:46 Speaker 1: because you don't want to be the last guy to

5:47 Speaker 1: call bullshit.

5:48 Speaker 2: You don't want to be the guy.

5:49 Speaker 1: Who believes, believes, believes and it turns its bullshit. Ah,

5:53 Speaker 1: you dummy, you believed it. You were the first guy

5:55 Speaker 1: believe in it. Man, you want to be the first

5:57 Speaker 1: guy to call bullshit. It's always a way cooler position.

6:00 Speaker 1: And if there was alien life, if there was alien

6:04 Speaker 1: life that had visited the earth, excuse me, what evidence

6:10 Speaker 1: would they leave behind? What would you know in your

6:13 Speaker 1: day to day existence? How much of it would you know?

6:15 Speaker 1: Almost nothing?

6:17 Speaker 5: Yeah, particularly when it's getting hovered up by a very

6:21 Speaker 5: well organized and well funded intelligence program.

6:25 Speaker 1: Including the Project Blue Book, which was run by doctor

6:30 Speaker 1: j Allen Heinek.

6:30 Speaker 5: Now that was a cover story. The Project blue Book

6:33 Speaker 5: was really a little office where they were putting things

6:36 Speaker 5: in there and making it sound like they were really investigating. Meanwhile,

6:39 Speaker 5: there was an unacknowledged project, what we call a black project,

6:42 Speaker 5: but the proper name is an unacknowledged special access project

6:45 Speaker 5: or use app, and the US apps running this have

6:48 Speaker 5: been around since the forties, very well funded, working on

6:52 Speaker 5: these issues, working on the technology, studying how these things

6:55 Speaker 5: are going from one star system to another. And that's

6:59 Speaker 5: the sort of thing that that we've been drilling down

7:01 Speaker 5: on for about twenty two years.

7:02 Speaker 1: So the Project blue Book that was run by doctor

7:05 Speaker 1: Heinick is that was his name.

7:07 Speaker 5: Yeah, doctor j Allen Heineck, Right, he was an Air

7:09 Speaker 5: Force guy astronomer that the Air Force engaged to do that.

7:12 Speaker 5: Later he came out and admitted that that was all

7:15 Speaker 5: just sort of a dog and pony show.

7:17 Speaker 1: And he also became a huge UFO believer, which is

7:20 Speaker 1: really fascinating because most of the stories that they investigated

7:24 Speaker 1: in Project blue Book he sort of debunked correct. In fact,

7:28 Speaker 1: instead of being open about the possibilities, they always steered

7:32 Speaker 1: towards debunking first, right.

7:34 Speaker 5: And actually the big problem became when he put his

7:38 Speaker 5: foot in his mouth when in Gerald Ford's home district

7:41 Speaker 5: in Michigan, there were a whole dozens of people who

7:44 Speaker 5: saw an extraterrestrial vehicle that was maneuvering at close range,

7:50 Speaker 5: and he went up and investigated and made some reference

7:52 Speaker 5: to it being swamp gas and gerald Ford went ballistic

7:56 Speaker 5: because his constituents went ballistic, and gerald Ford actually had

7:59 Speaker 5: an in quarry into it while he was a member

8:02 Speaker 5: of the House of Representatives. Of course, later as president

8:05 Speaker 5: he never dealt with this issue because basically presidential intelligence

8:09 Speaker 5: doesn't have access to those projects.

8:11 Speaker 1: When you say that he said it was swampcass, that

8:14 Speaker 1: jay On Heineg said it was swampcasts, So you're saying

8:16 Speaker 1: that Ford objected because he knew it was an extraterrestrial vehicle.

8:21 Speaker 5: He knew that some of his constituents, who are very credible,

8:24 Speaker 5: knew it was something real.

8:26 Speaker 1: What was his position then, what was he.

8:29 Speaker 5: He was actually believed it was real, as the.

8:31 Speaker 1: I mean in government is pre pet president.

8:34 Speaker 5: Yeah, he was in the House of Representatives in the Congress,

8:37 Speaker 5: he was a congressman before he was vice president and

8:40 Speaker 5: then president.

8:41 Speaker 1: And so he was upset that they were saying that

8:43 Speaker 1: it wasn't a real vehicle. So he clamped down on it.

8:46 Speaker 5: Yeah, and actually held a hearing where a lot of

8:48 Speaker 5: people came and gave evidence and information, but it didn't

8:51 Speaker 5: go anywhere because it's Washington. Nothing ever goes anywhere in Washington.

8:55 Speaker 5: And so you know, I started as founder of Disclosure

8:59 Speaker 5: part dot org and now serious disclosure dot com. We

9:04 Speaker 5: began investigating this in nineteen ninety and you know, I'm

9:07 Speaker 5: a trauma doctor, emergency doctor who was running a very

9:10 Speaker 5: busy er and raising for kids. And I got involved

9:14 Speaker 5: with this because I knew about it since childhood. And

9:17 Speaker 5: you know, my I have family. My mom's brother uncle

9:21 Speaker 5: was an engineer that worked on the lunar module and

9:24 Speaker 5: I had an interest in this since I was a

9:25 Speaker 5: little child. So the thing that put Neil Armstrong on

9:29 Speaker 5: the on the moon, my family had a hand in that.

9:31 Speaker 5: So I think that what most people don't realize is

9:34 Speaker 5: that inside the intelligence community, the airspace community, there are

9:38 Speaker 5: a lot of people who are very knowledgeable about this,

9:41 Speaker 5: but they're not allowed to talk about it. It's a

9:43 Speaker 5: career ender for most of them. And that was what

9:46 Speaker 5: we did for Disclosure Project was to put all those

9:48 Speaker 5: folks together identify them. So I spent about ten years

9:52 Speaker 5: identifying who these people were. And first I had maybe

9:54 Speaker 5: half a dozen of them. Now we have over five hundred,

9:57 Speaker 5: five hundred and fifty.

9:58 Speaker 2: Who was the most credible people?

9:59 Speaker 1: Just folks listening to this that haven't watched that video,

10:02 Speaker 1: who are the most credible people?

10:03 Speaker 5: Well, we're gonna have some of them in the film. Serious,

10:06 Speaker 5: you know, that's like s I R I U S.

10:10 Speaker 5: Sirius is going to have a lot of this information

10:13 Speaker 5: in it, and some stuff is going to blow your mind,

10:16 Speaker 5: including the possibility of an actual body, a humanoid body

10:21 Speaker 5: that we're investigating. And we'll get into this in a

10:24 Speaker 5: moment and when you see it, you're going to go, really,

10:26 Speaker 5: my god. But you know, these witnesses that we have

10:30 Speaker 5: who are military, go from the head of investigations for

10:34 Speaker 5: the FAA, John Callahan to a people like Gordon Cooper,

10:38 Speaker 5: who was one of the early Mercury astronauts who his

10:42 Speaker 5: crew actually filmed one of these extra trestole vehicles landing

10:45 Speaker 5: on a dry lake bid out here near Edwards and

10:47 Speaker 5: he looked at the film and sent it on a

10:49 Speaker 5: Pentagon plane. Now the backstory to this, now this is

10:52 Speaker 5: giving an idea of how labyrinthing screwed up Washington's become

10:57 Speaker 5: and what Eisenhower said, And he said, but where are

10:59 Speaker 5: the military industry complex? Because it's going to get out

11:01 Speaker 5: of control and be a threat to our democracy. Gordon Cooper,

11:05 Speaker 5: you know, a very heroic early astronaut, had detailed information,

11:09 Speaker 5: what we call actionable intelligence on that event, this landing

11:13 Speaker 5: of a vehicle in broad daylight near Edwards Air Force

11:16 Speaker 5: Base in nineteen fifty six. Now, when Clinton was president,

11:22 Speaker 5: Gordon Cooper asked, was asked by the Secretary of Defense,

11:27 Speaker 5: William Cohen about this issue, and he says, yes, I

11:30 Speaker 5: absolutely will verify this, and I'll give you the information

11:32 Speaker 5: when and where and how it happened. So the Secretary

11:35 Speaker 5: of Defense of the United States of America had this information,

11:40 Speaker 5: made an inquiry through channels and came up with a

11:43 Speaker 5: dry hole. Basically, this stuff has all been put into

11:46 Speaker 5: a parallel universe that the senior people in our government

11:50 Speaker 5: have for the most part, no access to. Now, I

11:53 Speaker 5: would not have believed that if I hadn't been the

11:55 Speaker 5: guy who was brought to Washington during the Clinton years

11:58 Speaker 5: to do the briefing for the CIA director. And I

12:02 Speaker 5: was asked to go up there as a service, and

12:05 Speaker 5: I did it. Left my er and I put together

12:08 Speaker 5: a whole lot of these early witnesses, testimony, photographs, some

12:12 Speaker 5: really amazing government documents that we acquired through channels I

12:16 Speaker 5: don't want to talk about. And I put this briefing together,

12:19 Speaker 5: and so I go up there and here's the city

12:21 Speaker 5: CIA director, our James Woolsey, and his wife was there,

12:28 Speaker 5: who was at the time the chief operating officer of

12:30 Speaker 5: the National Academy of Sciences. And when I was first

12:33 Speaker 5: invited to go up there and brief the CI director,

12:36 Speaker 5: I was told they want you to come up here

12:37 Speaker 5: because President Clinton and he have inquired about this subject

12:40 Speaker 5: and are being denied access. And I have a letter

12:43 Speaker 5: proving this.

12:44 Speaker 1: President Clinton has been denied access. So they want you,

12:48 Speaker 1: a doctor who.

12:50 Speaker 5: Had a family connection to these programs and also to information.

12:54 Speaker 2: How did they know about you?

12:57 Speaker 5: Well, let me finish this Southern threat and I'll get

12:59 Speaker 5: to that, because that's a little blowing in mind even more.

13:03 Speaker 5: But what happened is that I really thought this was crap.

13:08 Speaker 5: I mean because his handler, the CI Director's handler who

13:12 Speaker 5: contacted me, he said, look, they need you to come

13:15 Speaker 5: up here because they can't find out anything, but they

13:18 Speaker 5: know stuff's going on. I thought they just wanted to

13:21 Speaker 5: pick my brain a sort of spooks, you know how spooks. Well,

13:23 Speaker 5: the spies will try to just get information. I went

13:25 Speaker 5: up there and the CI director was honestly, completely in

13:29 Speaker 5: the dark, and I was mortified. And towards the end

13:32 Speaker 5: of this almost three hour briefing that I did for

13:35 Speaker 5: the CI director, my wife was with me, and I

13:38 Speaker 5: gave him this white paper, this position paper that a

13:41 Speaker 5: summary of action that the president needed to take and

13:43 Speaker 5: he needed to take, and he My hands were shaking

13:47 Speaker 5: because I'm like this thirty five year old guy. Briefing

13:51 Speaker 5: the sitting CI director was very intimidating, frankly, and you know,

13:55 Speaker 5: at the end of it, I said, you know, we

13:57 Speaker 5: really need you to help disclose this information because the

14:01 Speaker 5: people need to know. But also the technologies that we've

14:03 Speaker 5: studied and have mastered for fifty years could get us

14:07 Speaker 5: off oil, we could fix this environment, we could fix

14:09 Speaker 5: the world's poverty problems and the geopolitical problems in the

14:13 Speaker 5: Middle East. And he looked at me, he says, how

14:15 Speaker 5: do we disclose that which we have no access to?

14:19 Speaker 5: And I just thought I thought I'd pass out. I said,

14:21 Speaker 5: what do you mean? You have to act? And this

14:23 Speaker 5: was from his mouth to my ears, And so I

14:26 Speaker 5: learned the hard way, the very very hard way that

14:28 Speaker 5: when you're dealing with things that are some people say

14:31 Speaker 5: above top secret, but the proper name is an unacknowledged

14:34 Speaker 5: special access project. And we have about one hundred to

14:37 Speaker 5: two hundred billion dollars a year in our treasury going

14:40 Speaker 5: into these rogue operations, and it's it's a criminal, it's

14:43 Speaker 5: our ageous that you know, just because you're the CI director,

14:47 Speaker 5: just because you're Secretary of Defense or on the Senate

14:49 Speaker 5: Intelligence Committee means nothing. And even the president. So the

14:54 Speaker 5: reason he those folks invited me to come up there

14:57 Speaker 5: is that the year before I had taken a team

15:01 Speaker 5: of people out on a beach using some experimental protocols

15:05 Speaker 5: to contact these vehicles and the occupants, and four of

15:09 Speaker 5: these UFOs popped into the sky, just boom boom, boom boom,

15:12 Speaker 5: which we have on videotape, a great videotapecause we didn't

15:15 Speaker 5: have good cameras back then, and there were a couple

15:18 Speaker 5: Air Force officers and pilots there, and this went up

15:21 Speaker 5: through the chain of command. A few months later, the

15:24 Speaker 5: former head of Army Intelligence invites me to a meeting,

15:26 Speaker 5: and then some National Security Agency people do and one

15:29 Speaker 5: thing leads to another, and I'm being invited to brief

15:31 Speaker 5: the sitting CIA director so that you know that.

15:34 Speaker 1: You contacted these spaceships.

15:38 Speaker 5: Well, this gets into a discussion. You know, that's complex,

15:44 Speaker 5: but yes.

15:45 Speaker 2: And you can do that at any time.

15:47 Speaker 5: Well not at any time, but I think that under

15:49 Speaker 5: the right that there are protocols, and we developed something

15:53 Speaker 5: called the close Encounters of the fifth kind of initiative,

15:56 Speaker 5: which is when you use this set of very very

15:58 Speaker 5: controversial protocols that deal with non locality, the fact that

16:03 Speaker 5: the universe has various dimensions that you can move through

16:08 Speaker 5: to go from one star system to another. But those

16:11 Speaker 5: dimensions that are at higher resonant fields than say linear

16:15 Speaker 5: space time or electromagnetism also interface with what I call

16:21 Speaker 5: coherent thought. So the Moody Blues were right when they

16:25 Speaker 5: said thinking is the best way to travel. And there's

16:30 Speaker 5: a component to where you're I'm probably going to lose

16:33 Speaker 5: half your listeners right now. No, I've got all right, Well,

16:37 Speaker 5: hey all you freaks, listen up, and listen up hard.

16:40 Speaker 5: You can develop technologies and we have these in classified

16:43 Speaker 5: projects now where you can have a what's called a

16:46 Speaker 5: switch that will interface with very intent thought. So it's

16:51 Speaker 5: beyond forget your iPhone. Now, if you're traveling from one

16:54 Speaker 5: star system to another, that's what you're going to be using.

16:57 Speaker 5: You're going to be using technologies that are phasing a

17:00 Speaker 5: multiples of the speed of light. And those dimensions also

17:04 Speaker 5: intersect at a certain point with coherent thought. Just like

17:07 Speaker 5: light is coherent, a laser is coherent light. And so

17:11 Speaker 5: this gets into the whole question of how over the

17:14 Speaker 5: history of humanity have there been so many reports of

17:16 Speaker 5: contact and there are I mean going all the way

17:19 Speaker 5: back to the Vimanas and the Vedas, to accounts that

17:22 Speaker 5: you know, there's a wonderful painting and the Middle Ages

17:26 Speaker 5: of this exactly. It looks like a modern UFO over

17:29 Speaker 5: the shoulder of Mary holding Jesus in a picture that's

17:34 Speaker 5: been from the fourteen hundreds. I've actually seen the original

17:37 Speaker 5: of this. So I think the question becomes, you know,

17:40 Speaker 5: we probably have always had extraterrestrial civilizations observing our little planet.

17:46 Speaker 5: The question is what happened in the last fifty to

17:48 Speaker 5: one hundred years that really got their attention, And I'm

17:51 Speaker 5: quite convinced it was when we started detonating thermo nuclear weapons.

17:55 Speaker 5: But one of the projects we're involved with is Disclosure

17:59 Speaker 5: project and another one is sort of a citizen's diplomacy effort, saying, look,

18:03 Speaker 5: since our government is dead in the water on this

18:06 Speaker 5: in terms of the Secretary of State and folks like that.

18:09 Speaker 5: And I know I went up to the UN and

18:11 Speaker 5: met with back when but butrus Gali was U and

18:14 Speaker 5: Secretary General and brief these guys and her Leagali, the

18:18 Speaker 5: wife of the Secretary General, and I talked about this

18:20 Speaker 5: in depth, and she said, they're not going to let

18:22 Speaker 5: us deal with something like this. So I started a

18:24 Speaker 5: citizens diplomacy effort back in nineteen ninety. But this is

18:30 Speaker 5: actually and this is the part that I get ridiculed

18:32 Speaker 5: the most for. But it's the reason why the intelligence

18:35 Speaker 5: community took it most seriously is that they knew that

18:37 Speaker 5: we had discovered the Ressetta Stone of contact and they

18:41 Speaker 5: were very concerned, now concern from the covert end, from

18:46 Speaker 5: the end of a lot of these Washington operatives. They

18:48 Speaker 5: were just fascinated. They didn't understand it because it was

18:51 Speaker 5: sort of past their scientific understanding, but they were very interested.

18:55 Speaker 1: And this is something I hate and interrupt you no, no, please,

18:57 Speaker 1: It is something that we can't really just gloss over

19:00 Speaker 1: the idea that coherent thought, as you say, intersects with

19:07 Speaker 1: these other levels, these other dimensions that we can't normally access.

19:12 Speaker 5: Correct.

19:14 Speaker 2: How did you.

19:14 Speaker 1: Find out about this and how did you develop the

19:18 Speaker 1: ability in.

19:20 Speaker 5: The hot seat early man.

19:21 Speaker 2: Well, I need to mean you have to.

19:23 Speaker 1: When you say that you can do that, I mean

19:25 Speaker 1: somehow or another, you have to without getting anybody killed.

19:29 Speaker 1: You have to explain how did you figure that out?

19:32 Speaker 5: I figured it out when I was a teenager, and

19:37 Speaker 5: through a series of experiences I had, and you know,

19:41 Speaker 5: I was I was talking to Thomas Jane, who's an

19:43 Speaker 5: actor here in town, about this, and I had a

19:45 Speaker 5: near death experience when I was seventeen. I was very sick,

19:48 Speaker 5: and I had an experience that took me into some

19:52 Speaker 5: awareness about the nature of consciousness and the non locality

19:55 Speaker 5: of mind and the fact that the mind is actually

19:58 Speaker 5: a singularity, that there's a only one mind and it's

20:01 Speaker 5: just shining through various individuals, appearing as many. And this experience,

20:06 Speaker 5: although it sounds very spiritual and religious, was very palpable.

20:10 Speaker 5: And I was raised a very devout atheist, so we

20:14 Speaker 5: didn't believe in anything, and so when I realized that

20:17 Speaker 5: this was real, I began to study meditation, and through

20:21 Speaker 5: that began to have some experiences where I realized this

20:24 Speaker 5: could happen. And I had a contact experience. I was eighteen.

20:27 Speaker 5: It was a few months later in the fall of

20:30 Speaker 5: nineteen seventy three, and I was doing this. I was meditating,

20:34 Speaker 5: and then I was doing what I was now called

20:36 Speaker 5: SRV scientific remote viewing, where you use consciousness to see

20:40 Speaker 5: remote places. And of course Army Intelligence and the CI

20:43 Speaker 5: of experimented with this for years, which you may or

20:47 Speaker 5: may not know about. We can get into that. But

20:50 Speaker 5: I know all those guys. I know all the SRV people.

20:53 Speaker 5: But I was as a kid, you know, and I

20:55 Speaker 5: just turned eighteen. I was doing this, and suddenly I

20:58 Speaker 5: had this experience where I thought, well, what if I

21:01 Speaker 5: try to go into that state of one mind that

21:04 Speaker 5: I experienced when I was a kid six six months earlier,

21:08 Speaker 5: when I had this near death experience. So I did,

21:10 Speaker 5: and then I had an experience where I remote viewed

21:12 Speaker 5: in salty space and I could see that there was

21:16 Speaker 5: an ET spacecraft out there, and I made contact and

21:21 Speaker 5: it appeared and it literally materialized right near the mountain

21:25 Speaker 5: where I.

21:26 Speaker 2: Was how you to do this?

21:28 Speaker 5: Eighteen No drugs? No, No, I've never done any drugs.

21:30 Speaker 2: He's never done any drugs, no psychedelics, nothing, never.

21:34 Speaker 5: Wow.

21:35 Speaker 2: Are you aware aware of dimethyl trip to being? Do

21:37 Speaker 2: you know what?

21:38 Speaker 5: I do?

21:38 Speaker 2: You know?

21:39 Speaker 1: It's a supposedly your brain produces it when you're in

21:43 Speaker 1: periods of extreme stress or near death experiences. And it's

21:47 Speaker 1: also the same chemical that's in ayahuasca, which has been

21:50 Speaker 1: used by indigenous tribes.

21:52 Speaker 5: To Now, this was just this was a very natural

21:55 Speaker 5: sort of thing that happened.

21:56 Speaker 1: But what I'm saying is that these people that are

22:00 Speaker 1: having these experiences, that are having a lot of people

22:02 Speaker 1: that are having alien contact experiences, they are all having

22:06 Speaker 1: them in the middle of the night, like most of

22:08 Speaker 1: them are having them at night. And I'm not discounting

22:10 Speaker 1: this in any way, in fact, maybe possibly enhancing the

22:14 Speaker 1: possibility of people understanding this or the vehicle the mind

22:20 Speaker 1: produces this dimethyl trip to me during rem sleep, and

22:24 Speaker 1: it's believed. It's still a very sketchy thing. We know

22:27 Speaker 1: that the body produces it. We know they believe the

22:29 Speaker 1: pineal glam which is literally your third eye and reptiles

22:33 Speaker 1: it as a retina of corny and also they believe

22:35 Speaker 1: that's what the evidence on it apparently is like really

22:38 Speaker 1: kind of it's hard to figure out exactly, but they

22:42 Speaker 1: know the body has it.

22:42 Speaker 2: They know it's.

22:43 Speaker 1: Produced by the liver and the lungs for sure. And

22:46 Speaker 1: this chemical, when you get it and you give it

22:48 Speaker 1: to people that have had UFO abduction experiences, it gives

22:51 Speaker 1: them the exact same experience. It brings them into contact

22:56 Speaker 1: with other beings. The idea that this is just a

22:59 Speaker 1: hallucination because your your body has some endogenous chemical in

23:04 Speaker 1: it and it's spikes and stimulates the visual cortex and

23:09 Speaker 1: what have you, and you have this That is what

23:12 Speaker 1: everyone has always assumed whenever you talk about anything hallucinatory

23:16 Speaker 1: or psychedelic, right, But what they're not, what a lot

23:19 Speaker 1: of people haven't taken into consideration, is that you're basically

23:23 Speaker 1: a conglomeration of chemicals. Your neurotransmitters, dopamine, serotonin, There's a

23:29 Speaker 1: million different chemicals which as their levels vary up and down,

23:35 Speaker 1: it drastically changes your reality, your happiness level, your appreciation love, oxytocin.

23:42 Speaker 1: All these things proven one hundred percent change your reality,

23:46 Speaker 1: change the physical meat vehicle reality that you have. And

23:50 Speaker 1: I think, for whatever reason, when we think of something

23:53 Speaker 1: in the mind, when we think of the mind, like

23:56 Speaker 1: you're you're saying that coherent thought can contact other entities

23:59 Speaker 1: from other people are like, what the fuck are you

24:01 Speaker 1: talking about? You know, that's like the initial immediate reaction.

24:05 Speaker 5: Because we've all been misunder miseducated about the nature of real.

24:09 Speaker 2: Well of consciousness.

24:10 Speaker 1: I've always tried to get people to try to understand

24:12 Speaker 1: how bizarre just just imagination is. And I don't mean

24:16 Speaker 1: imagination by your imagining things that aren't there. That's not real.

24:20 Speaker 1: You're playing a game with your mind. What I mean

24:22 Speaker 1: by imagination is everything, including the language that we're speaking

24:28 Speaker 1: with right now, the vehicle in which this language is

24:32 Speaker 1: getting delivered through the Internet. All of this came from

24:35 Speaker 1: the imagination. Everything, this table came from the imagination. Everything

24:39 Speaker 1: is the arm that holds this microphone. Someone thought this

24:41 Speaker 1: shit up and then all of a sudden it manifested

24:43 Speaker 1: itself in a physical form when they actively created it.

24:47 Speaker 1: That seems so normal to us, It seems so normal.

24:50 Speaker 1: But we're the only fucking animal in the world we

24:53 Speaker 1: know that can.

24:53 Speaker 5: Do this well. And it goes beyond that, because you know,

24:55 Speaker 5: doctor John at Princeton University had the Princeton Engineering Anomalies

25:00 Speaker 5: Search Lab, and I knew doctor John, and they had

25:03 Speaker 5: proven that you could set up a random number generator

25:06 Speaker 5: machine and put your thought towards it and begin to move,

25:09 Speaker 5: whether it's fitting out zeros or ones, and that there

25:12 Speaker 5: is in fact been proven scientifically that the mind is

25:18 Speaker 5: actually operating non locally, meaning that it's not limited to

25:21 Speaker 5: space and time in a linear way. And these studies

25:25 Speaker 5: that have been done by Dean Rayden and doctor John

25:28 Speaker 5: and many other scientists with very good credentials. I mean,

25:31 Speaker 5: doctor John was an engineer and at Princeton what they

25:37 Speaker 5: found is that in fact, the mind itself is what

25:40 Speaker 5: Urban Schrodinger said. And Urban Schrodinger, of course was the

25:43 Speaker 5: father of particle wave theory and quantum mechanics, and I

25:46 Speaker 5: think it was in nineteen ten or so he said,

25:48 Speaker 5: the total number of minds in the universe is one.

25:51 Speaker 5: That is, it's a singularity. And so that understanding is

25:56 Speaker 5: I mean, I know it sounds sort of out there,

26:00 Speaker 5: but no, I mean it actually sounds very vedic in

26:04 Speaker 5: the sense of a Buddhist, of a Danta. But well, yeah,

26:09 Speaker 5: I mean I guess maybe Sarah Palin, But did I

26:13 Speaker 5: say that. I'm sorry, I apologize. But the reality is

26:18 Speaker 5: the world isn't flat, and there's a whole area of

26:21 Speaker 5: physics and science that has been drilled down on for

26:24 Speaker 5: years that establish all these things is true. It isn't

26:27 Speaker 5: talked about because the high priests of religion and the

26:30 Speaker 5: high priests of science are all opposed to this information

26:34 Speaker 5: coming out the idea. So part of the secrecy around

26:37 Speaker 5: this whole UFO issue isn't just the physical energy and

26:40 Speaker 5: propulsion systems. It's the paradigm because if you if you

26:45 Speaker 5: asked the question in fact, going back to this dinner

26:48 Speaker 5: with the CIA director and his wife, very smart lady,

26:53 Speaker 5: and she turns in we're sitting across the table having dinner.

26:55 Speaker 5: I mean, that was the cover story was it was

26:56 Speaker 5: a dinner and she says, how are they community across

27:02 Speaker 5: the vastness of space? And of course I had the

27:06 Speaker 5: you know, I didn't know whether to tell her something

27:08 Speaker 5: that sounded scientific so I maintained my credibility, or to

27:13 Speaker 5: tell her the truth and risk losing all my credibility.

27:16 Speaker 5: But I decided then in the early days of this

27:19 Speaker 5: project that if someone's smart enough to ask the question,

27:22 Speaker 5: I'm going to answer it honestly, even though it's going

27:25 Speaker 5: to blow their mind. And so I looked at her

27:27 Speaker 5: and her husband, the CI director sitting next to her.

27:30 Speaker 5: I didn't really understand where she was going. I said, look,

27:32 Speaker 5: take her milky way one hundred thousand light years across,

27:37 Speaker 5: all right, So that in one hundred thousand light years

27:39 Speaker 5: is a distance. That's how far you would go at

27:42 Speaker 5: one hundred and eighty six thousand miles a second. For

27:46 Speaker 5: one hundred thousand years going at that speed, that's just

27:50 Speaker 5: our own galaxy. Now you take one percent of that,

27:54 Speaker 5: say a thousand light years at the speed of your

27:57 Speaker 5: cell phone or radio wave or TV wave or this

28:00 Speaker 5: system we're using right here, for someone from a star

28:03 Speaker 5: system one percent of the way through our galaxy for

28:06 Speaker 5: them to say hello, how are you? And for a

28:08 Speaker 5: spacecraft that's at another star system a thousand light years

28:11 Speaker 5: away say here Earth to say, fine, how are you doing?

28:14 Speaker 5: That just took how long years? Two thousand years, one

28:17 Speaker 5: thousand one way and one thousand another. So the time

28:20 Speaker 5: since the birth of cry so the speed of light

28:22 Speaker 5: is too damn slow, and so when you begin to

28:25 Speaker 5: go through what I call the crossing point of light,

28:29 Speaker 5: it's like the sound barrier was a big deal. The

28:31 Speaker 5: biggest deal is the light barrier. And when you go

28:34 Speaker 5: past the light barrier, you're going to cross into these

28:37 Speaker 5: kind of multi phasic resonant dimensions, part of which hook

28:40 Speaker 5: into the singularity of mind and thought. And actually, this

28:45 Speaker 5: film that we're working on, which is the largest crowdfunded

28:48 Speaker 5: documentary in history to my knowledge, serious and you can

28:51 Speaker 5: find out about it serious disclosure dot com. It's been

28:54 Speaker 5: crowdfunded by the public. It's all been funded by people

28:56 Speaker 5: out there, thousands of people. We're going to do a Oh,

29:00 Speaker 5: we're going to do a premiere here in La on

29:03 Speaker 5: April twenty second, if you want to come, but I

29:06 Speaker 5: would love to. Okay, come.

29:07 Speaker 1: Well, we can't send things to the speed of light, right,

29:09 Speaker 1: I mean even that even saying.

29:10 Speaker 5: That beyond the speed of light, but they can't do that.

29:13 Speaker 1: Right, I mean, you can't send information in the form

29:16 Speaker 1: of light yet, can you not?

29:19 Speaker 2: Well?

29:19 Speaker 5: No, but I'm well, fiber optics and things of this sort,

29:22 Speaker 5: but does that move with the speed of light pretty much? Yeah,

29:24 Speaker 5: But what I'm saying is that if you go beyond

29:26 Speaker 5: the speed of light, it's a whole new physics, of course. Okay,

29:29 Speaker 5: so that's what If these craft are here, and now

29:32 Speaker 5: we have I have over four thousand cases where they've landed,

29:35 Speaker 5: and we have evidence. I have three thousand, five hundred

29:38 Speaker 5: pilot cases. We have over five hundred whistleblowers top secret military,

29:43 Speaker 5: corporate people, and I have one hundred and ten of

29:45 Speaker 5: them on digital videotape, although nobody wants to see it,

29:48 Speaker 5: but I have it. So the question is, if they're here,

29:50 Speaker 5: how the hell they get here. Well, they're not using

29:53 Speaker 5: an exceon jet a fuel, and they're not using a

29:55 Speaker 5: solid rocket booster, and they're not using an ion drive

29:58 Speaker 5: or anything linear. So you have to begin to have

30:01 Speaker 5: this question. So when the CI director's wife asked me this,

30:04 Speaker 5: I told her about that they had technologies that interface

30:08 Speaker 5: with thought and consciousness, and that sounded It may sound

30:11 Speaker 5: as bizarre to people now, but if you took your

30:13 Speaker 5: cell phone and showed Thomas Jefferson your smartphone, they would

30:18 Speaker 5: think it was magic. If you went to Salem, Massachusetts

30:20 Speaker 5: a couple hundred years ago, you'd be burned at the

30:21 Speaker 5: stake as a witch. So the point is is that

30:24 Speaker 5: people have to have some humility about the fact that

30:26 Speaker 5: humans are one half of one step out of the

30:29 Speaker 5: jungle technologically, and we're only one hundred or so years

30:32 Speaker 5: into anything resumming real technology. So when we're dealing with

30:36 Speaker 5: civilizations that are ten to the six to ten to

30:38 Speaker 5: the seventh, one hundred thousand to million years ahead of us,

30:41 Speaker 5: we have to have some humility about what that might

30:44 Speaker 5: look like. And so when I explained this to the wife,

30:47 Speaker 5: the SI director, she just looked at me and said,

30:49 Speaker 5: I thought it had to be something like that. I mean,

30:52 Speaker 5: people are ready to actually understand this. Not everyone has

30:55 Speaker 5: to be retarded on this. And I tell folks that

30:58 Speaker 5: it's what's a shame in mind mind is that our

31:02 Speaker 5: civilization has been exploring these sort of what they call

31:05 Speaker 5: border land sciences for one hundred years and it's all

31:08 Speaker 5: been kept very secret or debunked or ridiculed, and it's

31:11 Speaker 5: actually holding us back, not only socially and spiritually, but

31:16 Speaker 5: environmentally and in every other way. Because this nexus of

31:19 Speaker 5: where you have these advanced transdimensional physics come together, that's

31:23 Speaker 5: how you're propelling through one point in space to another

31:27 Speaker 5: across galaxies. It's also how we're going to be able

31:29 Speaker 5: to run this planet's energy grid without a grid, where

31:33 Speaker 5: every home, business, and car can pull energy out of

31:36 Speaker 5: the fabrica space time through this kind of physics. And

31:39 Speaker 5: so there's this nexus where electromagnetism and transdimensional physics comes together,

31:45 Speaker 5: and then you cross it a little deeper, and that's

31:47 Speaker 5: where you get into the science of consciousness. And this

31:50 Speaker 5: becomes a very very complex issue for most people because

31:53 Speaker 5: it's new to them, but once you understand the fundamental

31:56 Speaker 5: science behind it, it's really very simple.

32:00 Speaker 1: Need to understand is that no one two hundred years

32:04 Speaker 1: ago even thought of a camera. Right two hundred years ago,

32:08 Speaker 1: when you want to picture something, you had to draw it,

32:10 Speaker 1: and there was you know, the idea of a camera

32:13 Speaker 1: was so the idea of a movie, the idea of

32:16 Speaker 1: sending a video on your phone to your friend. You

32:18 Speaker 1: could take a video of you here right now and

32:21 Speaker 1: send it to a friend and they would get it

32:22 Speaker 1: almost instantly. That's just a tiny blip in human history,

32:27 Speaker 1: a two hundred year blip in human history, from riding

32:29 Speaker 1: horses to sending video through the internet.

32:32 Speaker 5: One hundred years yeah.

32:33 Speaker 1: I mean, and the people that existed back then would

32:36 Speaker 1: have never seen it coming. And if technology, and we

32:40 Speaker 1: know it does, accelerates exponentially, what we're dealing with a

32:43 Speaker 1: thousand years from now, ten thousand years from now is

32:45 Speaker 1: completely unrecognizable. We live in an area where our solar

32:50 Speaker 1: system is kind of scary. There's a lot of rocks

32:52 Speaker 1: out there, and they fly around and occasionally slam in

32:54 Speaker 1: the shit, and they can they can ruin civilization for

32:57 Speaker 1: a little bit. But there might be solar systems out

32:59 Speaker 1: there that doesn't take place. There could be a civilization

33:02 Speaker 1: that developed two three billion years ago. I mean, we

33:06 Speaker 1: really don't know. We have no idea.

33:08 Speaker 5: Well, the Earth has had life for seven hundred million

33:10 Speaker 5: years and all scientists recognize that, except people who think

33:13 Speaker 5: that the world was made six thousand years ago. And

33:16 Speaker 5: I have nothing to say that those folks except to

33:18 Speaker 5: say get over it. But I know, I think you're

33:22 Speaker 5: I'm an outrageous person, at a little bit outrageous. You

33:25 Speaker 5: haven't heard anything yet.

33:26 Speaker 6: Stayed, Yeah, I'm ready all right, trapped in so but

33:30 Speaker 6: but if you really look at our technological development, you know,

33:35 Speaker 6: my grandmother was born in post reconstruction South in the

33:39 Speaker 6: late eighteen hundreds.

33:40 Speaker 5: Her Son worked on the lunar module put the first

33:43 Speaker 5: man on the moon. But by the time we landed

33:45 Speaker 5: on the moon in nineteen sixty nine, we were fifteen

33:47 Speaker 5: years into having classified anti gravity propulsion devices.

33:51 Speaker 1: The biggest mind fuck that I always trying to drop

33:53 Speaker 1: on people with time is between the invention of the airplane,

33:57 Speaker 1: it was less than fifty years that someone you use

34:00 Speaker 1: that airplane to drop a nuclear weapon, right.

34:03 Speaker 5: And see this is this is pretty crazy. This gets

34:05 Speaker 5: into the whole question. You know, I've had a lot

34:06 Speaker 5: of people ask me we have And if you go

34:09 Speaker 5: to our side Serious Disclosure dot com, there's a section

34:12 Speaker 5: that has all these top secret military guys on it,

34:15 Speaker 5: and part of it is that there's a whole grouping

34:18 Speaker 5: of them. I have a dozen of them, so who

34:20 Speaker 5: are at strategic air command facilities and nuclear weapons storage

34:23 Speaker 5: areas and processing areas and all this stuff. And every

34:26 Speaker 5: one of them were overflown by et spacecraft back in

34:29 Speaker 5: the forties, fifties, sixties because they were very concerned about

34:33 Speaker 5: what we were doing, because we were going from having

34:37 Speaker 5: these technologies to weaponizing them, and our technological development had

34:43 Speaker 5: gotten ahead of our social and spiritual development. Way ahead,

34:46 Speaker 5: and this is an existential threat. But you know, as

34:49 Speaker 5: an emergency doctor, I used to have, you know, crazy

34:51 Speaker 5: people come into the er and I'd have to commit them,

34:54 Speaker 5: and you know, it's dangerous to yourself for others. And

34:58 Speaker 5: what I found is that if you take a step

35:00 Speaker 5: back and look humanity through the eyes of extraterrestrial civilizations,

35:04 Speaker 5: we've become dangerous to ourselves, but we're also dangerous to others.

35:07 Speaker 5: And moreover, we become an existential threat to the biosphere

35:11 Speaker 5: of the Earth, where we're killing the oceans, the atmosphere

35:13 Speaker 5: and everything else. All this is unnecessary. So the question

35:17 Speaker 5: is the misanthropic sociopaths that are running the planet into

35:21 Speaker 5: the ground are going to have to be stood down

35:24 Speaker 5: by the people getting behind disclosure, getting behind the technologies

35:28 Speaker 5: and basically saying we're fed up and we're not going

35:31 Speaker 5: to put up with this anymore. It's like the moving

35:32 Speaker 5: Network and we're mad as hell, and I think people

35:36 Speaker 5: and it isn't about doing anything violent. It's about saying

35:39 Speaker 5: we need to just move forward because Washington isn't going

35:41 Speaker 5: to do it. My uncle's company, North Grummin isn't Lockheed

35:45 Speaker 5: Martin isn't going to do it. It's you and me

35:47 Speaker 5: and the other people out there who get the situation

35:50 Speaker 5: we're in and want to fix it.

35:51 Speaker 1: One of the things that might have also got their

35:52 Speaker 1: attention was Operations Starfish Prime. You aware of that from

35:56 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty two where they launched a nuclear bomb in

35:58 Speaker 1: a space He blew up a nuclear bomb in space.

36:02 Speaker 5: Well, I actually one of our witnesses, Colonel Diedrichson, was

36:06 Speaker 5: with the Atomic Energy Commission, which became the DOE, and

36:10 Speaker 5: he was an Air Force colonel and his responsibility was

36:13 Speaker 5: over all the nuclear facilities. But he knew of a

36:15 Speaker 5: program where we were going to lob a thermonuclear weapon

36:19 Speaker 5: and detonated on the Moon and when that okay, and

36:22 Speaker 5: they actually worked on this, and when it went exo atmospheric,

36:26 Speaker 5: when it left our atmosphere and it was intercepted by

36:29 Speaker 5: an extra trestful vehicle and basically de materialized was taken out.

36:33 Speaker 5: And he knew had personal knowledge.

36:34 Speaker 1: Of this, so they had actually tried to do.

36:37 Speaker 5: This, they actually launched it and it was on its

36:39 Speaker 5: way to the Moon. So you know, there have been

36:42 Speaker 5: a lot of really create It's like doctor Strange Love

36:45 Speaker 5: on steroids with some of these guys. And you know,

36:49 Speaker 5: I still work with a lot of folks who are

36:51 Speaker 5: with the Agency and aerospace industry. And there's a term

36:54 Speaker 5: at the Naval Research Labs and CIA for this whole

36:57 Speaker 5: area of science, and it's called w FM. It stands

37:01 Speaker 5: for it's not a radio station, by the way, it

37:03 Speaker 5: stands for weird science and freaking magic. And that's what

37:07 Speaker 5: they call it.

37:07 Speaker 2: And grown, man, you should never use the word freaking.

37:09 Speaker 5: I mean, I don't. This is what they call it.

37:11 Speaker 1: They need to be stopped if they have that access

37:13 Speaker 1: to technology and they use the word freaking.

37:15 Speaker 2: Yes, you can't be trusting them, Oh you can't. They're

37:18 Speaker 2: held back.

37:19 Speaker 5: Actually, I'll tell you that a lot of them are

37:20 Speaker 5: really good people who want to see the secrecy end, but.

37:23 Speaker 1: There's not much they can do as an individual when

37:25 Speaker 1: you're in a compartmentalized sort of a system like well, I.

37:28 Speaker 5: Got a lot of them come forward. You know, almost

37:30 Speaker 5: all of our top secret guys had signed security oos.

37:33 Speaker 5: But here here's something I want everyone to listen carefully.

37:36 Speaker 5: Daniel Sheehan, who is as constitutional attorney who did Pentagon

37:40 Speaker 5: papers and Silquid case and all this and I ran

37:45 Speaker 5: this by him. I said, look, I've done briefings for

37:49 Speaker 5: here's a short list. The Director of Central Intelligence, the

37:53 Speaker 5: head of the Defense Intelligence Agency, members of the Senate

37:56 Speaker 5: Intelligence Committee, senior people who are on the House, various

38:01 Speaker 5: House committees, Government Oversight Committee, Presidential staff. The head of

38:08 Speaker 5: intelligence for the Joint Jesus Staff was called J two. Personally.

38:12 Speaker 5: I took astronautger Mitchell to one of those briefings for

38:15 Speaker 5: the admiral Admiral Tom Wilson. And every one of these

38:19 Speaker 5: people had been inquiring about this issue and had been

38:24 Speaker 5: denied access. One of them, who I will not name,

38:28 Speaker 5: I learned before my briefing with him, I had given

38:32 Speaker 5: a document that's going to be in this film serious,

38:35 Speaker 5: And the document is it's on the front of the thing,

38:38 Speaker 5: the briefing I put together for President Obama. And if

38:41 Speaker 5: you go down the list.

38:41 Speaker 1: One you put together a briefing for President Obama.

38:44 Speaker 5: Yeah, he asked you to someone senior involved with his

38:49 Speaker 5: team did And so.

38:51 Speaker 1: Jesus Christ, how weird must that be? To be the

38:55 Speaker 1: president and then to get in there and go, Okay,

38:57 Speaker 1: what the fuck is.

38:57 Speaker 5: Going on with the Emperor? Has no clue?

39:00 Speaker 1: Hey call that that doctor. What's that guy's name, Virginia,

39:04 Speaker 1: Go get that guy.

39:05 Speaker 5: Yeah. So no, But what happened is that when when

39:09 Speaker 5: when this admiral looked at this document and it's gonna

39:12 Speaker 5: blow people's mind when they see this. Uh, it's a

39:15 Speaker 5: National Reconnaissance Office document. NRO does all the top secret

39:20 Speaker 5: bicatellites and over their headquarters it says we own the

39:23 Speaker 5: night and the oh yeah, that's their motto, we own

39:28 Speaker 5: the Night. It's pretty yeah, it's pretty spooky. Yeah, but so,

39:32 Speaker 5: you know, these are kind of dudes I work with

39:33 Speaker 5: all the time. What happened is that the one of

39:37 Speaker 5: these compartments, it has a whole distribution list cosmic ops,

39:41 Speaker 5: magic ops, da da da da da da da, you know,

39:45 Speaker 5: all kinds of It's about twenty of them. And this

39:48 Speaker 5: is a document that was not declassified. It was given

39:51 Speaker 5: to me by a source that I want to talk about.

39:54 Speaker 5: And this admiral recognized one of those compartments, so he

39:58 Speaker 5: contacted them and on the other end of the phone

40:02 Speaker 5: they said, he said look that I'm so and so,

40:04 Speaker 5: and they said, yes, sir, we know who you are.

40:06 Speaker 5: And he says, well, I want to be read into

40:08 Speaker 5: which is military speak for brief on this project. And

40:12 Speaker 5: they said, sir, we cannot discuss this project with you. You

40:15 Speaker 5: don't have a need to know. He says, what do

40:16 Speaker 5: you mean. I'm the head of intelligence for the Joint

40:19 Speaker 5: Chiefs of Staff. How can I not have a need

40:21 Speaker 5: to know? And they said, sir, we will not discuss

40:23 Speaker 5: this with you. Clip blocking.

40:25 Speaker 1: So who the fuck knows? Who's like?

40:28 Speaker 2: How many people are there? Have you determined that.

40:31 Speaker 5: The Yeah, I have, I know some of the members

40:33 Speaker 5: of the of there's a committee and it's transnational. It

40:39 Speaker 5: started out much smaller and less opaque back in the

40:42 Speaker 5: forties when Truman was around.

40:44 Speaker 2: Does it have a name?

40:45 Speaker 5: It did have the name Majestic, and that is not

40:48 Speaker 5: a myth, and so.

40:50 Speaker 2: He's Majestic twelve, right? Is that what it was?

40:52 Speaker 5: Yes? But the document is of the nineties that I

40:55 Speaker 5: got it still had Magic m Ajic on it. And

40:59 Speaker 5: so a lot of these programs, you know, they've gone

41:02 Speaker 5: through multiple generations of evolution. And now I understand it's

41:06 Speaker 5: a committee of two or three hundred folks who are

41:10 Speaker 5: you know, corporate, very deep kind of shadow government operations.

41:14 Speaker 5: The mistake the public makes is that they think that

41:17 Speaker 5: just because you're the president or the CIA director or

41:19 Speaker 5: member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, you're going to have

41:21 Speaker 5: access to those. And that's because they do not understand

41:24 Speaker 5: what Rumsfeldt said is true on the day before nine

41:27 Speaker 5: to eleven. And this is going to be in the

41:28 Speaker 5: film where he said there's two point three trillion dollars

41:32 Speaker 5: basically missing that we can account for out of the

41:35 Speaker 5: Department of Defense budget over the last few years. Two

41:37 Speaker 5: point three trillion, not billion. Now we found out, and

41:42 Speaker 5: I discovered this in the early nineties, that there's somewhere

41:45 Speaker 5: between one hundred and two hundred billion a year basically

41:48 Speaker 5: just being stolen going into these illegal projects. And so

41:51 Speaker 5: when she Han and I looked at this this attorney,

41:53 Speaker 5: I said, look, if all these people who have a

41:56 Speaker 5: need to know in the constitutional chain of command are

41:59 Speaker 5: being to deceived and what have you, I'm going to

42:03 Speaker 5: declare all those projects rogue a priori illegal. Therefore, anyone

42:08 Speaker 5: who signed a security oath for them, I'm going to

42:11 Speaker 5: unilaterally announce that they're released from them. So all of

42:14 Speaker 5: you listening, if you've been in any of these projects

42:16 Speaker 5: with Lockheed, Northrop, SAIC, the CIA, you do not have

42:21 Speaker 5: to go by the secrecy because if they are denying

42:24 Speaker 5: access to the people who are in the constitutional chain

42:27 Speaker 5: of command, which I can prove they have in a

42:29 Speaker 5: court of law, those projects are rogue and therefore those

42:32 Speaker 5: security oaths have no enforceability. Now whether or not you

42:36 Speaker 5: have the courage to come forward is another question. But

42:40 Speaker 5: what I was very glad to be able to do

42:42 Speaker 5: between the early nineties and two thousand and one with

42:44 Speaker 5: the Disclosure Project is to pull together the people who

42:48 Speaker 5: did have a courage and they're still coming forward, and

42:50 Speaker 5: when we have people contact me all the time who

42:53 Speaker 5: are in these projects, who give us information, intelligence, and

42:57 Speaker 5: it's really a citizen's effort. I mean, I've never been

42:59 Speaker 5: in the government in my entire life, but I think

43:02 Speaker 5: this is what you have an idea, and if the

43:04 Speaker 5: idea picks up steam and people see the reason for it.

43:08 Speaker 5: But the other thing is to do it in a

43:11 Speaker 5: way where people feel supported. And that's why we did

43:14 Speaker 5: this in a way where there were dozens that came

43:16 Speaker 5: out at once. I mean I think in the initial

43:19 Speaker 5: batch of people came forward, it was about seventy.

43:21 Speaker 1: One of the things I always want to get into

43:24 Speaker 1: people's heads when they start talking about the government or

43:28 Speaker 1: the people in charge or you know, those in the know.

43:32 Speaker 1: The idea that they're exchanging information has been proven false

43:37 Speaker 1: time and time again. Right.

43:38 Speaker 2: Not only that, what's really.

43:40 Speaker 1: Blown me away lately is finding out that, especially in

43:43 Speaker 1: this supposed patriotic time of war, we have government factions

43:48 Speaker 1: that don't like other government factions.

43:50 Speaker 5: It's always been that way.

43:51 Speaker 1: I was blown away when portray us was outed by

43:55 Speaker 1: the FBI.

43:56 Speaker 2: I'd be like, are you fucking crazy? Like that is?

44:00 Speaker 1: You're talking about the head of the CIA, and there's

44:04 Speaker 1: the FBI is spying on him over an affair, and

44:08 Speaker 1: you're going to bring down this beloved national hero. Stupid,

44:13 Speaker 1: unbelievably stupid, but also unbelievably revealing about how partitioned our

44:20 Speaker 1: government truly is and how difficult it would be to

44:25 Speaker 1: get accessed to some critical information if this information is

44:30 Speaker 1: in any way deemed too sensitive or too controversial, or

44:34 Speaker 1: to whatever, too paradigm shifting for average eyes.

44:39 Speaker 5: Well, let's make this very simple. If you acknowledge that

44:42 Speaker 5: the UFOs are there and they're real, and anyone with

44:47 Speaker 5: an IQ over mud it's going to ask the question,

44:50 Speaker 5: then how did they get here? If you ask that question,

44:54 Speaker 5: we have the answers for it. And if the public

44:56 Speaker 5: knows that, then they know we don't need excellon mobile,

44:59 Speaker 5: we don't need oil, gas, coal, nuclear power, or centralized

45:02 Speaker 5: utility grew.

45:03 Speaker 1: That's assuming, though, that most people believe that the UFOs

45:06 Speaker 1: are real, because.

45:06 Speaker 5: I am about fifty to sixty percent do now.

45:09 Speaker 2: I think they say that. I think they say.

45:12 Speaker 1: But I think they most of the time will look

45:14 Speaker 1: for terrestrial explanations most rational people.

45:17 Speaker 5: Well, no, actually, what I'm no. There was just a

45:20 Speaker 5: poll that came out a month ago and there's actually

45:22 Speaker 5: forty three percent of the public believe that extraterrestrial life

45:26 Speaker 5: has been on the planet here now.

45:28 Speaker 1: Fifty one percent believe that the Earth is less than

45:31 Speaker 1: ten thousand years old. You know that.

45:33 Speaker 5: Yeah, wellther well, I don't know if it's that high.

45:36 Speaker 5: I heard it was about a quarter of the population.

45:38 Speaker 1: So gallop pole, I think twenty ten, twenty ten, they

45:43 Speaker 1: got fifty one percent.

45:46 Speaker 5: The Flatter Society still has a lot of members, I guess.

45:49 Speaker 5: But you know, here's the here's the bigger issue is

45:52 Speaker 5: that if you bring this information out and let's let's

45:57 Speaker 5: say that one of the objectives of what I'm working

46:00 Speaker 5: on now.

46:00 Speaker 2: I mean, let me just clear that up.

46:01 Speaker 1: Yeah, forty six percent okay, creationist view of human origins

46:04 Speaker 1: forty forty.

46:05 Speaker 5: Six per well, but of the creationist view, not all

46:08 Speaker 5: those people think the world is ten thousand years old.

46:10 Speaker 5: I think that number is only about ten thousand.

46:12 Speaker 2: Years, though they're saying ten thousand years.

46:13 Speaker 1: This is what in this study, the Galop study, the

46:16 Speaker 1: very specifically, forty six percent of Americans believe the creation's

46:18 Speaker 1: view that God created humans in their present form at

46:21 Speaker 1: a time within the last ten thousand years.

46:23 Speaker 5: Oh God, you're going to make me move to norwayad.

46:26 Speaker 1: Has a good choice to Canada's right there, and they're badass,

46:29 Speaker 1: I know, you know. But just to throw some salt

46:33 Speaker 1: on your idea, that makes all you want. Well, look,

46:36 Speaker 1: I told you I'm a huge fan of the UFO experience.

46:39 Speaker 1: I mean, I really want it to be real. But

46:41 Speaker 1: just because forty seven percent of what have the fuck think?

46:44 Speaker 1: Forty six percent think that the earth right?

46:46 Speaker 5: No, no, you're right here? Yeah, and but the evidence

46:48 Speaker 5: speaks for herself. And I told someone wants.

46:50 Speaker 1: But what does it what percentage? Okay, let's let's just

46:54 Speaker 1: be honest or rather, let's open this. What percentage of

46:58 Speaker 1: UFO sightings are real? How what percentage are totally made up?

47:03 Speaker 1: And what percentage are a confusion?

47:07 Speaker 5: But that's not the metric we're using. We're going by

47:10 Speaker 5: government release documents. We're going by people who are insiders,

47:13 Speaker 5: who have actually handled extra trust yours.

47:16 Speaker 1: So when you're talking about extraconferences, you're talking about experiences

47:19 Speaker 1: from people who are one hundred percent credible bulletproof.

47:23 Speaker 5: War and only that. But if you have the former

47:27 Speaker 5: Minister of Defense of Canada say that he checked out

47:29 Speaker 5: with a US Air Force general that in fact, there

47:32 Speaker 5: was an accident that happened in New Mexico in nineteen

47:36 Speaker 5: forty seven, which people call Roswell, and that what Philip Corso,

47:39 Speaker 5: Colonel Corso wrote in his book the day after Roswell

47:43 Speaker 5: was substantially correct. And this is the Honorable Paul Hellier,

47:48 Speaker 5: and he and I did a press conference in Toronto

47:50 Speaker 5: a couple of years ago, and he has completely verified this.

47:53 Speaker 5: So the question is, and the same thing happened with

47:56 Speaker 5: five Star Admiral Lord Hill Norton. I mean here he

47:58 Speaker 5: was the Minister of Defense and he found out after

48:01 Speaker 5: the fact that in fact, an extra trustal vehicle had

48:03 Speaker 5: landed at the event waters U Royal Air Force Base

48:07 Speaker 5: at Rendal from Forest in England, and we have multiple

48:11 Speaker 5: Disclosure Project witnesses who were there. And it came out

48:15 Speaker 5: recently that the Ministry of Defense in Great Britain released

48:19 Speaker 5: the documents on that where they had physical evidence that

48:22 Speaker 5: this thing actually did land and left physical traces, et cetera,

48:26 Speaker 5: and so on. So I tell people, you know, usually

48:29 Speaker 5: the New York Times say, well, we need two or

48:31 Speaker 5: three corroborating witnesses to something, particularly three if it's a

48:35 Speaker 5: very controversial story. I said, yes, But the Disclosure Project

48:38 Speaker 5: has hundreds of these sort of people, thousands of cases

48:41 Speaker 5: like this, and we're not talking about just people.

48:45 Speaker 2: Per event. They don't mean like.

48:47 Speaker 5: Yeah, but we have we have an we have event.

48:49 Speaker 5: We have multiple ones for this landing at Rendils from

48:52 Speaker 5: far we have multiple ones from the minor North Dakota.

48:55 Speaker 5: It happens where there will be some of them, you know,

48:58 Speaker 5: four or five, six at one event. They are very

49:01 Speaker 5: incredible military people. And so why isn't you know, why

49:05 Speaker 5: isn't the lamestream news, the mainstream news reporting this. If

49:11 Speaker 5: you put together this amount of information, and then the

49:14 Speaker 5: question becomes how free is our media and how free

49:17 Speaker 5: is our market and how free is our country? Because

49:20 Speaker 5: I think there's more corruption than people can imagine. And

49:23 Speaker 5: I'm not a conspiracy theory person. I do.

49:26 Speaker 2: Wait a minute, yes you are.

49:27 Speaker 5: No, I'm not.

49:27 Speaker 1: How dare you? No, I'm not, But just be honest.

49:31 Speaker 1: You're okay, okay, but about UFO conspiracy, like it was.

49:36 Speaker 5: The mafia conspiracy of a criminal enterprise. Yes, but it's

49:39 Speaker 5: not a theory, it's a fact. There's a big difference between.

49:43 Speaker 1: The Obviously you're talking about a UFO conspiracy and energy conspiracy.

49:48 Speaker 1: You're talking about the suppressing information.

49:51 Speaker 5: People conspire in their own interests. And if you're you gotta,

49:54 Speaker 5: I don't know.

49:55 Speaker 1: I know you don't like conspiracy theorists, but okay, well,

49:58 Speaker 1: I just.

50:00 Speaker 5: I think it's misused and I think that you know,

50:03 Speaker 5: just weight it's a loaded thing, and it's like, you know,

50:07 Speaker 5: it's like when Larry King asked me, do you believe?

50:08 Speaker 5: I said, well, you know, I believe in a lot

50:10 Speaker 5: of things that you can't see and prove. But if

50:12 Speaker 5: I have four thousand cases where these things have landed,

50:15 Speaker 5: if I have hundreds of photographs and videotapes. If I

50:17 Speaker 5: have dozens of top secret guys who can corroborate this,

50:21 Speaker 5: why is that a belief? I mean, you believe in

50:22 Speaker 5: God and some other things, but I mean this is

50:26 Speaker 5: not a matter of belief.

50:27 Speaker 2: Most people believe.

50:28 Speaker 1: And I'll quote Neil de grass Tyson who says that

50:31 Speaker 1: eyewitness testimony is the least reliable of all pieces of evidence.

50:35 Speaker 5: That's right.

50:36 Speaker 1: But what physical evidence do you have that goes along

50:40 Speaker 1: with eyewitness sessimony that you believe is the most compelling?

50:44 Speaker 5: Well, I think the most compelling that I've ever seen.

50:50 Speaker 5: It's something we're working on right now, and it remains

50:56 Speaker 5: to be seen if it's going to be what we

50:57 Speaker 5: think it is, and we're going to know fairly soon.

51:00 Speaker 5: And I don't want to get ahead of myself, but

51:02 Speaker 5: I was introduced to an institute that acquired a small

51:08 Speaker 5: humanoid being about six inches in length.

51:13 Speaker 1: This is in the trailer for Serious. I've seen this,

51:16 Speaker 1: this little skeleton that's X rayed.

51:19 Speaker 5: And CAT scanned, and we're now doing the genetic work

51:21 Speaker 5: up at the top university in the world that's doing this.

51:24 Speaker 1: Pull that up, Brian, because it's very freaky people on

51:27 Speaker 1: U stream and Vimeo can see this. We'll just well,

51:30 Speaker 1: you know what, let's just play the entire trailer for

51:33 Speaker 1: you and get people excited about this movie. Now, who

51:36 Speaker 1: found this this alien being? And where did they acquire

51:39 Speaker 1: this thing?

51:41 Speaker 5: It was? I'm not at liberty. I'm still waiting to

51:44 Speaker 5: see if this person was but.

51:45 Speaker 2: Because it might be horseshit right, it's a possibility, you.

51:48 Speaker 5: Know, you know, no, I know. All I'm saying is

51:52 Speaker 5: that it is an organic being. It is an organic

51:56 Speaker 5: It is with the cats can shows lungs on the inside.

51:59 Speaker 5: It has ten ribs, not twelve. We have now proven

52:03 Speaker 5: from bone density that it's at least several years old

52:07 Speaker 5: and it's only six inches long.

52:10 Speaker 2: So the t do you prove that from bone density?

52:15 Speaker 5: We look at the epiphacial plates and the calvinch calcium.

52:17 Speaker 1: In other words, isn't it why you're dealing with a

52:20 Speaker 1: completely alien species?

52:21 Speaker 5: No? No, no, I'm saying, if you were to go back,

52:23 Speaker 5: if you're going to assume that it's not et then

52:26 Speaker 5: you look at it. What would this be if it

52:27 Speaker 5: were human? Okay, so you have to go through an algorithm,

52:31 Speaker 5: and it's a diagnosis of exclusion we could say in medicine,

52:34 Speaker 5: because if it's not a miscarried or a boarded fetus,

52:38 Speaker 5: which is the size of what this would be about

52:40 Speaker 5: twenty two weeks. If it's not any known primate, it's

52:44 Speaker 5: not a fossil because it has organic material and DNA material.

52:47 Speaker 5: We've already extracted. We clipped one of the ribs, two

52:51 Speaker 5: of the ribs, and have gotten the DNA material out

52:53 Speaker 5: of the rib of internal mirrow. And so this is

52:57 Speaker 5: being processed right now as we speak.

52:58 Speaker 1: Literally, So if it was a human, it would be

53:00 Speaker 1: several years old. So that proves that it's not a human.

53:04 Speaker 5: There is no there's no form of Dwarfism or any

53:08 Speaker 5: other genetic anomaly known in the literature according to the

53:13 Speaker 5: world's expert in this area that would explain something of

53:18 Speaker 5: this age that is this and also that has these abnormalities.

53:21 Speaker 5: If you look at the skull, if you look at

53:23 Speaker 5: the the fact that has ten ribs, there are no

53:26 Speaker 5: genetic syndromes where you have ten ribs.

53:27 Speaker 2: Have you seen this thing in person?

53:29 Speaker 5: I was the third person to hold it, handle it,

53:32 Speaker 5: and I did the I didn't say autopsy on it,

53:34 Speaker 5: but I did the tests on it and.

53:37 Speaker 2: How long had it been dead for? We have no idea,

53:39 Speaker 2: no idea.

53:39 Speaker 5: That that we didn't get enough material from. We didn't

53:42 Speaker 5: want to damage this little thing too much, so the

53:45 Speaker 5: carbon dating on it will be the next step. We

53:48 Speaker 5: wanted to be sure we had enough genetic material and

53:51 Speaker 5: if we had to go back, and we didn't want

53:53 Speaker 5: to destroy anyway. So we're working a scientific algorithm on this.

53:58 Speaker 5: This is actually the people, the public who is supporting

54:01 Speaker 5: the film serious or the reason why we were able

54:03 Speaker 5: to do all these studies.

54:04 Speaker 2: How is this?

54:05 Speaker 1: How is this thing preserved?

54:07 Speaker 2: You know?

54:08 Speaker 5: But it was found in a very very dry desert

54:10 Speaker 5: area and it's just very desiccated. It's very dried out,

54:16 Speaker 5: and it was not in any sort of preservative and

54:20 Speaker 5: now it died a traumatic death. We know it behind

54:23 Speaker 5: the right mass storied air cell behind your ear. Here

54:26 Speaker 5: the skull is crashed in and it's a little asymmetric

54:30 Speaker 5: on the jaw, and that the right humorous is fractured

54:33 Speaker 5: through and through. But and it happened at mortem or

54:38 Speaker 5: shortly post mortem. We think it was the fatal blow

54:41 Speaker 5: to this particular being. Now what is this being? When

54:45 Speaker 5: you look at it? Almost every scientist that has seen

54:48 Speaker 5: it goes looks like an et but we don't know.

54:52 Speaker 5: All I'm going to say is that we're not gonna

54:53 Speaker 5: be able to say because you know, even the genetics,

54:56 Speaker 5: there's no database to compare it to. Now we have

54:58 Speaker 5: the whole human genome to compare too, which is what

55:00 Speaker 5: we're doing right now, and we have all the literature

55:04 Speaker 5: that the world's expert in skeletal abnormalities, I mean, the

55:09 Speaker 5: expert in the world looked at this thing is that

55:11 Speaker 5: this is nothing that I know of and that has

55:13 Speaker 5: ever been seen on this planet. And so the question

55:18 Speaker 5: then becomes what is it? Now? It turns out it

55:21 Speaker 5: was found in an area of the Atacama Desert in

55:24 Speaker 5: Chile that native peoples have reports of these objects, iluminous

55:30 Speaker 5: objects going in and out of the foothills of the.

55:32 Speaker 1: Andes famous famous for very.

55:34 Speaker 5: Famous, very famous, and also in these remote native villages

55:41 Speaker 5: or reports of these very small beings upright, humanoid type beings.

55:44 Speaker 1: Isn't that also the area where they constructed the VLT

55:47 Speaker 1: telescopic array, one of the very large telescope I believe.

55:52 Speaker 5: I think there, yeah, because it's a very dark area

55:53 Speaker 5: and there have been a lot of astronomy. And we

55:56 Speaker 5: also know one of our witnesses who was manning a

56:01 Speaker 5: facility on the Peruvian Bolivian border that's not too far

56:04 Speaker 5: from this area, was there in the early nineties when

56:07 Speaker 5: we were using a SDI star Wars system to track

56:11 Speaker 5: et craft and hit them with electromagnetic pulse weapons. And

56:14 Speaker 5: one was downed and crashed on the Peruvian Bolivian border.

56:19 Speaker 2: We hit it with electromagnetic pulse weapons. Yeah, this is

56:23 Speaker 2: so who did this? The Air Force to the army like,

56:26 Speaker 2: do we know?

56:27 Speaker 5: Yeah, we know, but I mean it's this group majestic.

56:30 Speaker 5: But I mean, you know, if you were to talk

56:31 Speaker 5: to the general I briefed, who's head of the Defense

56:34 Speaker 5: Intelligence Agency, which is almost as beca as the CIA

56:37 Speaker 5: that's in the Pentagon, you didn't know anything about this.

56:40 Speaker 5: So you when you say who's doing it, it's not

56:42 Speaker 5: it's kind of almost not The correct even way of

56:45 Speaker 5: framing it is to say, you know, when Senator Annually

56:49 Speaker 5: he just passed away wonderful centator from you know, he said,

56:53 Speaker 5: there exists a secret government with its own air force,

56:58 Speaker 5: its own funding mechanism, its own navy. I'm quoting almost

57:02 Speaker 5: exactly and actually this is a great speech by this senator,

57:09 Speaker 5: and it's because he had run across that this was

57:12 Speaker 5: going on. So the question is who's running this. Well,

57:15 Speaker 5: they've gone off the reservation. There's certainly no congressional oversight

57:19 Speaker 5: or a presidential oversight over these rogue elements. And I

57:22 Speaker 5: think that is a threat to our democracy. But it's

57:24 Speaker 5: also a threat to our security in the world. If

57:27 Speaker 5: what we've learned is true from multiple military insiders, that

57:31 Speaker 5: we have been attempting to target these extraterrestrial vehicles and

57:35 Speaker 5: down them. How stupid is that? And you're dealing with

57:38 Speaker 5: civilizations that could turn the Earth into a pink mist

57:41 Speaker 5: floating through space in a nanosecond, and we're there firing

57:44 Speaker 5: at them. Why you know?

57:46 Speaker 2: I mean this is but you're convinced that this happened.

57:48 Speaker 5: Absolutely, I absolutely know it is because I have too

57:51 Speaker 5: many insiders who have been present when we've done this

57:53 Speaker 5: sort of the weaponization of electromagnetic signals.

57:57 Speaker 1: What about disinformation?

57:59 Speaker 5: Do you do most of the information out there is disinformation?

58:02 Speaker 2: I would say, any of it's ever hit you like

58:04 Speaker 2: any of this might be.

58:05 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, no, no, not what I'm telling you. But

58:09 Speaker 5: have I ever been called flat footed. Yeah, almost, and

58:14 Speaker 5: but you know, we're very careful. And I have to say,

58:16 Speaker 5: you know, as a doctor who got into this sort

58:20 Speaker 5: of accidentally. And then I was tutored and mentored by

58:24 Speaker 5: some really good people in the military, in an the

58:27 Speaker 5: intelligence community who wanted me to do this. And one

58:30 Speaker 5: of them is still the CIA PhD guy, and he says,

58:34 Speaker 5: you know, someone needs to do this because the politicians

58:36 Speaker 5: are never going to deal with in these big corporations

58:38 Speaker 5: are absolutely not going to let it out. And this

58:41 Speaker 5: was back in the nineties. And I said, well, what

58:44 Speaker 5: am I supposed to do? And you know, one of

58:47 Speaker 5: the interesting things after we put this briefing together for

58:49 Speaker 5: Clinton and you know, Lawrence Rockefeller, I put the concept together,

58:55 Speaker 5: the best available evidence and all these cases. And then

58:58 Speaker 5: Lawrence Rockefeller hosts Bill and Hillary Clinton at the Rockefeller

59:02 Speaker 5: Ranch and it had me out there shortly before that.

59:05 Speaker 5: And mister Rockefeller was the white hat in the family

59:09 Speaker 5: who wanted to end the secrecy, unlike some of his family.

59:14 Speaker 5: And so he said to me one night, I was

59:18 Speaker 5: out on his porch on a deck in the granteetans

59:21 Speaker 5: at the Jy Ranch, and he said, we really need

59:26 Speaker 5: you to hurry up and do this. And I said, oh, Lawrence,

59:29 Speaker 5: I'm just a doctor in North Carolina. I'm working in

59:31 Speaker 5: an er, you know. He says, no, you have to

59:34 Speaker 5: do it. I said, no, Lawrence, you have to get

59:36 Speaker 5: these guys to do He says, they will never do it.

59:38 Speaker 5: And I said, Lawrence, for God's sake, you're old, you're rich,

59:40 Speaker 5: and you're a Rockefeller. He says no. He says, the

59:43 Speaker 5: implications of this are so vast and so profound that

59:46 Speaker 5: no aspect of life will be unchanged when it comes out.

59:50 Speaker 5: I said, yes, Lawrence, that's white secret. And then he

59:52 Speaker 5: said to me, well, that means those folks aren't going

59:55 Speaker 5: to do it. And then, you know, before that, shortly

59:59 Speaker 5: after that, and I had this meeting with the CI director,

1:00:03 Speaker 5: and one of the President's friends came to my house,

1:00:07 Speaker 5: and this was a very disturbing story. I'm sitting at

1:00:10 Speaker 5: the table with my four kids, four daughters, and this

1:00:15 Speaker 5: man who's very close friends with the President Mclinton says

1:00:19 Speaker 5: to me, well, you know, they're very supportive of what

1:00:22 Speaker 5: you've recommended in this white paper. I said, great, he says,

1:00:25 Speaker 5: but they're not going to do it. I said, why not?

1:00:28 Speaker 5: He says, they're convinced that if the president steps into

1:00:31 Speaker 5: this too hard, he'll end up like Jack Kennedy. And

1:00:34 Speaker 5: I started laughing, thinking what a load of nonsense, and

1:00:38 Speaker 5: he stopped me. He says, no, they're serious. I said, well,

1:00:41 Speaker 5: don't say this in front of the kids. So we

1:00:43 Speaker 5: went to the library in my house after dinner and

1:00:48 Speaker 5: I said, what are you talking about, Kevin, And he said,

1:00:50 Speaker 5: they really think this is too dangerous. I said, well,

1:00:53 Speaker 5: one am I supposed to do one of my chop

1:00:54 Speaker 5: liver And he looked at me and he says, yeah,

1:00:56 Speaker 5: you're expendable. So I've always viewed myself as the kind

1:01:01 Speaker 5: of the throwaway guy, and all of this sense that

1:01:04 Speaker 5: these guys, you know, the folks who have enormous political

1:01:07 Speaker 5: power and corporate power, even the ones who support this

1:01:10 Speaker 5: very avidly, and there's a lot of them, they don't

1:01:14 Speaker 5: want to stick their necks out.

1:01:15 Speaker 1: But I'm confused. Okay, why would they kill Bill Clinton

1:01:18 Speaker 1: if Bill Clinton came out and said that we may

1:01:21 Speaker 1: have evidence that there might be some intelligent life out

1:01:24 Speaker 1: there in the world.

1:01:25 Speaker 5: Universe, Because you know, it's like the ram song, it's

1:01:27 Speaker 5: the end of the world as we know it because

1:01:30 Speaker 5: if that happens, when that happens, people would panic. No, no, no, no, no, no.

1:01:35 Speaker 5: The public isn't going to panic over this unless it's

1:01:37 Speaker 5: couch in a stupid way.

1:01:38 Speaker 1: Well, the public definitely will panic. If the president comes

1:01:40 Speaker 1: out and says there's UFOs and then he gets whacked,

1:01:43 Speaker 1: that would lead to panic.

1:01:44 Speaker 5: Yeah, but there's a bigger problem if the president doesn't

1:01:48 Speaker 5: have control access over these projects. He didn't want to

1:01:51 Speaker 5: talk about it because then it shows the fact that

1:01:53 Speaker 5: our democracy has been sidelined, as Eisenhower warned us. I

1:01:58 Speaker 5: mean the reason eisen Look, I mean, Eisenhower was not

1:02:00 Speaker 5: anti military. It was a five star general.

1:02:03 Speaker 1: For folks who don't know this story, just fill people

1:02:05 Speaker 1: in on the speech that he made as an active

1:02:07 Speaker 1: sitting president leaving.

1:02:09 Speaker 5: Yeah, the last day of his presidency, he basically said,

1:02:12 Speaker 5: beware the military industrial complex and this is the dangers

1:02:16 Speaker 5: and he said, the dangers of this and enormous power

1:02:18 Speaker 5: will be a threat to our democracy in our way

1:02:20 Speaker 5: of life. Now. The reason he said that is that

1:02:23 Speaker 5: between nineteen fifty four and nineteen sixty sixty one, when

1:02:27 Speaker 5: he was leaving office, it was on his watch that

1:02:32 Speaker 5: the military Industrial Complex reorganized under the Rockefeller Commission of

1:02:36 Speaker 5: nineteen fifty six, and Eisenhower lost complete control over these projects.

1:02:40 Speaker 5: I have a lieutenant colonel who was on the plane

1:02:42 Speaker 5: with Jack Kennedy flying to Berlin when he gave the

1:02:45 Speaker 5: Eye Am a Berliner speech and Jack Kenny was talking

1:02:50 Speaker 5: about this UFO issue. But he turned to this guy

1:02:52 Speaker 5: who was kind of the chief steward for Air Force

1:02:54 Speaker 5: one who I know, and he said, I know about this,

1:03:00 Speaker 5: but the whole matter is the president. Kennedy saying this,

1:03:02 Speaker 5: The whole matter is out of my hands, and I

1:03:04 Speaker 5: don't know why. And this guy was stunned. In fact,

1:03:08 Speaker 5: I'll tell you there's a kind of a gruff colonel

1:03:10 Speaker 5: Air Force guy who was crying as he told his

1:03:13 Speaker 5: story because it hit him that there had been sort

1:03:17 Speaker 5: of a silent, silent coup de eta on this issue.

1:03:21 Speaker 5: And one of the problems in Washington when I meet

1:03:25 Speaker 5: with people who are part of powerful committees and politicians

1:03:29 Speaker 5: is that they're kind of viewed as placeholders that come

1:03:32 Speaker 5: and go. The mainstream media is really bred and circus,

1:03:35 Speaker 5: where they just keep wanting people to be entertained with

1:03:37 Speaker 5: shock and dribble. The question becomes how are you going

1:03:41 Speaker 5: to get this story out? And that's why. I mean

1:03:44 Speaker 5: a few years ago I left medicine, which was a

1:03:48 Speaker 5: hard thing for me to do because I mean I

1:03:50 Speaker 5: really loved taking care of you know, real emergencies, and Trump,

1:03:53 Speaker 5: how long did you do that for? I was in

1:03:55 Speaker 5: that er ten years and I was chairman of Emergency Medicine,

1:03:59 Speaker 5: and you know, the problem became for me, the world's

1:04:03 Speaker 5: in an emergency. So I said, I'm an emergency doctor

1:04:06 Speaker 5: and I know an emergency when I see one, and

1:04:09 Speaker 5: we're in deep trouble, and so someone has to do this.

1:04:13 Speaker 5: But before I did that, what you have to understand

1:04:15 Speaker 5: is I went to everyone I could. I mean, I

1:04:17 Speaker 5: went to these powerful people. I went to the UN,

1:04:20 Speaker 5: I went to the British government, the Ministry of Defense,

1:04:23 Speaker 5: and basically none of them doubted this was all true. Frankly,

1:04:27 Speaker 5: this is what people need to understand. There was no

1:04:29 Speaker 5: laughter in the room. They took it very seriously, but

1:04:32 Speaker 5: they didn't want to stick their necks out. And a

1:04:34 Speaker 5: friend of mine who's a big business guy, he said, well,

1:04:36 Speaker 5: you know the way the world works now, everyone wants

1:04:39 Speaker 5: to be first, to be second when it's something tough.

1:04:42 Speaker 1: And I've always felt that something along the lines of

1:04:45 Speaker 1: alien contact. If they did have information, there's no reason

1:04:51 Speaker 1: to let people know unless it's unavoidable. I always felt

1:04:55 Speaker 1: like unless they were just going to try to do

1:04:57 Speaker 1: some damage control and re define what's happening, I didn't

1:05:02 Speaker 1: I wouldn't think that they would ever come out about it. It

1:05:04 Speaker 1: just doesn't seem like it would be something that would

1:05:07 Speaker 1: be advantageous to just start telling people about UFOs. The

1:05:11 Speaker 1: idea is always that the government is our daddy, and

1:05:13 Speaker 1: then our government's looking out for us. But the evidence

1:05:16 Speaker 1: points time and time again to that that's horseshit and

1:05:18 Speaker 1: that's not really what's going on.

1:05:20 Speaker 5: But you know, my military advisor made the point years

1:05:22 Speaker 5: ago that because so many people, I mean between five

1:05:25 Speaker 5: and ten percent of the public have seen one of

1:05:27 Speaker 5: these objects, many of them very close range.

1:05:29 Speaker 1: Let's get back to that, because this is what we

1:05:32 Speaker 1: had talked about before when we got onto this. People

1:05:34 Speaker 1: who think the Earth is ten thousand years old. I

1:05:37 Speaker 1: think most of what people see is bullshit. I think

1:05:40 Speaker 1: most yeah, you have no question about that.

1:05:42 Speaker 2: Most sightings.

1:05:44 Speaker 1: I did a show once for CBS called Game Show

1:05:47 Speaker 1: in my Head and it was a a hidden camera

1:05:51 Speaker 1: game show where we'd put it an earpiece in people's

1:05:54 Speaker 1: head and we were send them out on the street

1:05:56 Speaker 1: and they didn't know what they had to do until

1:05:57 Speaker 1: they got there. And one of them we said, Okay,

1:06:00 Speaker 1: see that camera over there, that's where that works for you.

1:06:02 Speaker 2: There's a big news camera. You're a news reporter.

1:06:05 Speaker 1: And there was just a UFO sighting right above Hollywood Boulevard.

1:06:10 Speaker 1: The problem is the witness took off. So you need

1:06:13 Speaker 1: to grab someone who wasn't there and have them become

1:06:17 Speaker 1: a witness, tell them exactly what you need to tell

1:06:19 Speaker 1: them to get them to do this, get them to

1:06:22 Speaker 1: lie on camera. Then you need to get them to

1:06:24 Speaker 1: tell you that they were abducted and probed.

1:06:28 Speaker 2: And we got people to do it like that.

1:06:30 Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I have no doubt, but yeah you can't.

1:06:33 Speaker 5: You can always do that. But I'm talking about high

1:06:36 Speaker 5: level and the residual. I mean, for example, we have

1:06:41 Speaker 5: multiple pilots for commercial airlines and the air Force. And

1:06:47 Speaker 5: this is one of the really great cases we have,

1:06:49 Speaker 5: by the way, the Japan Airlines case over Alaska in

1:06:52 Speaker 5: the eighties and the guy who was in charge of

1:06:55 Speaker 5: investigations for the FAA. He was third from the top

1:06:59 Speaker 5: during the Rake era. He actually left that agency and

1:07:03 Speaker 5: brought the originals with him and gave them to us

1:07:06 Speaker 5: of the radar tracings of this thing that was the

1:07:09 Speaker 5: size of like ten seven forty sevens moving in a

1:07:12 Speaker 5: nonlinear way over the skies. It was on civilian radar,

1:07:18 Speaker 5: which was on military radar. They scrambled F sixteen jets

1:07:22 Speaker 5: it was on their radar, and the japan Airlines seven

1:07:25 Speaker 5: forty seven pilot has testified to it, and we have

1:07:28 Speaker 5: all of that. In this case, I've heard of this, okay,

1:07:31 Speaker 5: all right. So when we brought all that forward and

1:07:34 Speaker 5: this guy came forward, he says, I'm one of these

1:07:35 Speaker 5: high level government officials who actually has seen all this

1:07:39 Speaker 5: and has handled it, but no one's asking the right questions.

1:07:42 Speaker 5: So when you pull all that together, and then of

1:07:45 Speaker 5: course there will be events like this thing that happened

1:07:48 Speaker 5: in Phoenix, where you know, eventually the governor of Arizona

1:07:52 Speaker 5: five Simonton, came out later and at the time he

1:07:55 Speaker 5: ridiculed it, but he had actually seen it. Came out

1:07:57 Speaker 5: later ten years later in two thousand and seven, said yeah,

1:08:01 Speaker 5: that was an ET craft almost certainly. And I saw it,

1:08:03 Speaker 5: and tens of thousands of people in the Phoenix area

1:08:05 Speaker 5: saw it, and it was photographed, and it was on radar,

1:08:08 Speaker 5: and there were very trained people. So you know, you

1:08:11 Speaker 5: have to ask the question, how many things like that

1:08:12 Speaker 5: have to happen? And you know, on the other hand,

1:08:17 Speaker 5: you know, the things that we have in physics that

1:08:19 Speaker 5: are inferred through indirect measurements, like black holes, are articles

1:08:23 Speaker 5: of belief in faith or even the Big Bang theory.

1:08:26 Speaker 5: But when you have all of this and this is

1:08:27 Speaker 5: not just someone on Hollywood Boulevard who's making stuff up.

1:08:30 Speaker 5: We have dozens thousands of people. You have radar cases,

1:08:33 Speaker 5: you have all this, and so a lot of this

1:08:35 Speaker 5: is what's going to be in the film. Serious And

1:08:36 Speaker 5: because what I've said to people is that the fact

1:08:39 Speaker 5: that people haven't seen this evidence doesn't mean that it

1:08:41 Speaker 5: doesn't exist. It doesn't exist. But I agree with you.

1:08:45 Speaker 5: There are a lot of people who will see things

1:08:47 Speaker 5: and it'll be a planet rising, or it'll be a meteor,

1:08:50 Speaker 5: or it'll.

1:08:50 Speaker 2: Be military aircraft, a satellite, yeah.

1:08:52 Speaker 5: Or it'll be a Now this is the other part

1:08:55 Speaker 5: of this. There are a lot of things that are

1:08:57 Speaker 5: UFO sightings that are very legit, and that's why I

1:09:01 Speaker 5: don't like the word UFO. There are two categories of

1:09:03 Speaker 5: UFOs that once you eliminate all the nonsense you're talking about,

1:09:06 Speaker 5: and they're the ones that are etvs, which is what

1:09:09 Speaker 5: they're called the NSA extratrestical vehicles. And then they're the

1:09:13 Speaker 5: ones that are the electromagnetic devices. We've been building since

1:09:16 Speaker 5: the fifties. And if people think that propulsion and energy

1:09:22 Speaker 5: systems stopped in the forties, they need to think about this.

1:09:26 Speaker 5: Let's step back for a minute. Your car is running

1:09:28 Speaker 5: on an internal combustion engine circa.

1:09:31 Speaker 1: Mine is because I'm a man, okay, and I don't

1:09:33 Speaker 1: drive a fucking sissy hybrid.

1:09:35 Speaker 5: Yeah, there you go.

1:09:36 Speaker 1: I'm not driving a Prius. It makes no noise.

1:09:38 Speaker 5: Yeah, you should have a thousand worse electric one and

1:09:41 Speaker 5: then you'd really have some power.

1:09:42 Speaker 1: It's too futuristic. Man, I need led Zeppelin on the radio.

1:09:45 Speaker 1: I need a little yeah, seventies of my life.

1:09:48 Speaker 5: Yeah, well nobody I mean this, you know, and the

1:09:50 Speaker 5: jet engine people think that was We're fine around jets.

1:09:52 Speaker 5: So I came out here from DC. That's nineteen thirties

1:09:56 Speaker 5: rockets nineteen forties, Berner von Brown, do people really think

1:10:00 Speaker 5: there have been no breakthroughs in energy physics?

1:10:02 Speaker 1: Well, I'm sure people absolutely know that we've been working

1:10:06 Speaker 1: on things like that. But to bring up what you

1:10:08 Speaker 1: brought up earlier about the governor of Phoenix, just to

1:10:11 Speaker 1: point out that the governor of Arizona, rather the governor

1:10:14 Speaker 1: of Alaska, Sarah Palin, is one of those people that

1:10:16 Speaker 1: believe the Earth is less than ten thousand years old.

1:10:18 Speaker 1: So just because you're a governor something doesn't mean you're

1:10:20 Speaker 1: on the ball.

1:10:21 Speaker 2: And second of all, I had friends.

1:10:23 Speaker 1: That were in Phoenix, and one of them, very credible guy,

1:10:27 Speaker 1: told me he saw some giant black triangle flying motionless

1:10:34 Speaker 1: over the sky. He said it was bigger than several

1:10:36 Speaker 1: football fields. He said it made no noise, and it

1:10:39 Speaker 1: blocked out the stars and flew over and he said

1:10:42 Speaker 1: everyone in his neighborhood was shitting their pants. It was

1:10:45 Speaker 1: enough to me that I would go, wow, there's something.

1:10:48 Speaker 1: There's too many people that saw something. You could attribute

1:10:51 Speaker 1: certain things to mass hysteria, but that was one of

1:10:54 Speaker 1: them that I found to be very strange. But I'd

1:10:56 Speaker 1: never heard any photographs. You say, photographs, Oh.

1:10:59 Speaker 5: We have amazing photograph, some video. They're going to be

1:11:00 Speaker 5: in the film.

1:11:01 Speaker 1: Serious, you don't have them anywhere else. So anybody you

1:11:03 Speaker 1: see online you're.

1:11:04 Speaker 2: Holding on back?

1:11:05 Speaker 5: No no, no, no, no, no, they're out there. Doctor Lyn Katai,

1:11:08 Speaker 5: who's a medical doctor, also took some of them.

1:11:10 Speaker 2: There's other video photos of the Phoenix crafts.

1:11:14 Speaker 5: Yes, the actual one.

1:11:15 Speaker 1: Yes.

1:11:16 Speaker 2: So what should we if.

1:11:16 Speaker 1: We want to look for one right now to put

1:11:18 Speaker 1: in this show? Right now we're online? Who does he

1:11:21 Speaker 1: look for?

1:11:23 Speaker 5: I guess you'd go to doctor Lynn katais side. I

1:11:25 Speaker 5: don't have him memory name K I.

1:11:28 Speaker 2: T A I K A K K I T A I. Yeah,

1:11:32 Speaker 2: pull that up, Brian, See what image.

1:11:33 Speaker 5: She has in there?

1:11:35 Speaker 2: I've never heard there's been photographs. What is the photo? Show?

1:11:39 Speaker 5: It shows exactly what people described, a formation of lights

1:11:43 Speaker 5: that were moving together in a massive sort of the formation.

1:11:47 Speaker 2: Right, And the government said that those were flares.

1:11:49 Speaker 5: Right because a couple hours later, when they couldn't contain

1:11:52 Speaker 5: the news story on this. I was there when this happened.

1:11:54 Speaker 2: By the way, you were in Phoenix.

1:11:55 Speaker 5: I was there.

1:11:56 Speaker 1: Did you see it? Yeah?

1:11:57 Speaker 2: What did you see?

1:11:58 Speaker 5: What you what you just described? No?

1:12:00 Speaker 1: You?

1:12:01 Speaker 5: Why was I there.

1:12:02 Speaker 2: Yeah, did you get your spider call to Batman?

1:12:05 Speaker 1: Whatever fucking the thing, a UFO just appears over your

1:12:09 Speaker 1: house like the bat sign.

1:12:10 Speaker 2: Remember when he's in trouble, we need to send Batman.

1:12:13 Speaker 5: So right, No, they don't. I was actually there at

1:12:16 Speaker 5: a digital lab that was being loaned to us to

1:12:18 Speaker 5: put together.

1:12:19 Speaker 1: Coincidentally, well not coincidentally.

1:12:22 Speaker 5: To put together the best photos and videos to give

1:12:24 Speaker 5: to Congress that I was briefing in April of ninety seven.

1:12:27 Speaker 5: So in March of ninety seven, I had gone there

1:12:30 Speaker 5: and there was a guy who had a digital laboratory

1:12:33 Speaker 5: who said, look, we'll let you use our equipment and

1:12:35 Speaker 5: assemble this and will help you. And he'd worked a

1:12:38 Speaker 5: lot with the military, and so I had collected photos

1:12:40 Speaker 5: and videos from all over the world and governments from

1:12:42 Speaker 5: all over the world, which we call the best available evidence.

1:12:45 Speaker 5: And I was putting it together because in April we

1:12:49 Speaker 5: were holding a closed briefing for members of Congress who

1:12:52 Speaker 5: wanted to know. And that's when people like Congressman Dan Burton,

1:12:55 Speaker 5: who was chairman of the House Government Reform and Oversight Committee,

1:12:58 Speaker 5: came and a whole lot of other people from the

1:12:59 Speaker 5: Pentagon Vice President's office and whatnot. And so I was

1:13:04 Speaker 5: there when that happened, and someone came running into the

1:13:07 Speaker 5: lab saying, my god, while we're here trying there's all

1:13:10 Speaker 5: there's this going on. And it turned out it was

1:13:12 Speaker 5: on the news that night in Phoenix. Now, interestingly, the

1:13:16 Speaker 5: national news didn't pick up on it till June. This

1:13:18 Speaker 5: happened in March, which is very interesting. Why did that

1:13:22 Speaker 5: get held back? But you know, and so there are

1:13:26 Speaker 5: so many people who saw it, and this was huge.

1:13:29 Speaker 5: Whatever this object was, it was not the size of

1:13:32 Speaker 5: like a seven forty seven. A seven forty seven, you know,

1:13:35 Speaker 5: you probably could put dozens of them inside the volume

1:13:38 Speaker 5: of this thing. It was huge.

1:13:39 Speaker 1: I found it interesting that the stories were very similar.

1:13:42 Speaker 1: It's one of the things that I found most interesting.

1:13:44 Speaker 1: I watched some stuff online and then when I spoke

1:13:47 Speaker 1: to my friend and loves in Phoenix and he told

1:13:49 Speaker 1: me what he saw, I was like, Wow, you're talking

1:13:51 Speaker 1: about like at least six or seven people are telling

1:13:54 Speaker 1: the exact same story of seeing this exact same sort

1:13:56 Speaker 1: of thing. Now, these are the images that you're talking about.

1:13:59 Speaker 1: These are the just the whatever the red lights that

1:14:02 Speaker 1: are in the sky. I think the video is probably

1:14:05 Speaker 1: more impressive, being that the video shows these things essentially

1:14:09 Speaker 1: hover for a long period of time, and much longer

1:14:14 Speaker 1: than really should be attributable to parachutes and flares. It

1:14:19 Speaker 1: doesn't really make any sense because parachutes and flares, they

1:14:21 Speaker 1: don't really move that slow. When you you know, you

1:14:23 Speaker 1: watch a guy jump out of a plane with a parachute.

1:14:28 Speaker 1: The parachutes, you know, they drive, they slow your fall down,

1:14:31 Speaker 1: but they don't make you spend.

1:14:32 Speaker 5: Graph of it. No, and we know how how those

1:14:36 Speaker 5: kind of flares imperman but the people who were directly

1:14:40 Speaker 5: under it, and it moved not just over this part

1:14:42 Speaker 5: of Phoenix, it moved all the way from outside Flagstaff

1:14:45 Speaker 5: through the valley and then down towards Tempe.

1:14:47 Speaker 1: Now, how did you know about it? You were there working?

1:14:49 Speaker 1: Did you hear about it?

1:14:50 Speaker 5: But there was a guy that ran into the lab

1:14:52 Speaker 5: and who had actually been in the military, so you

1:14:55 Speaker 5: would't believe what's going on. So so yeah, I was

1:14:59 Speaker 5: there that night and nineteen ninety seven, March of ninety seven. Now,

1:15:04 Speaker 5: what's equally interesting if you look at this now, the

1:15:06 Speaker 5: Belgian Air Force cooperated with me very very nicely back

1:15:11 Speaker 5: in the early nineties and late eighties. You may have

1:15:13 Speaker 5: remembered there was this wave of things that happened in

1:15:17 Speaker 5: eastern Belgium where there were these massive triangles that were

1:15:20 Speaker 5: about eight hundred feet on each side that were photographed,

1:15:26 Speaker 5: radar traced, chased by F sixteen's on it, and we

1:15:30 Speaker 5: have all this, and the head of the Belgian Air

1:15:32 Speaker 5: Force actually showed the radar of one of these objects

1:15:36 Speaker 5: going from hover to several thousand miles per hour straight

1:15:40 Speaker 5: up into space, way outside the envelope of any normal

1:15:43 Speaker 5: conventional propulsions. See they have a video of this radardar,

1:15:47 Speaker 5: radar of it, and we have this, so you know,

1:15:49 Speaker 5: the question becomes, how many of these cases do you

1:15:52 Speaker 5: need to have before you say there's something out there?

1:15:55 Speaker 5: And I think this is what the problem is that

1:15:59 Speaker 5: on this subject, the ridicule around it, and that the

1:16:03 Speaker 5: disinformation and the crazy stories that are out there is

1:16:06 Speaker 5: what dominates the serious pun intended. Perhaps the serious stuff

1:16:11 Speaker 5: really gets left on the cutting room floor by most

1:16:14 Speaker 5: movie directors and media and even on the Internet. It's

1:16:18 Speaker 5: very hard, and I think to pick your way through

1:16:20 Speaker 5: it's very difficult what I've tried to do, and it's

1:16:23 Speaker 5: not that I've done a perfect job of it. I've

1:16:24 Speaker 5: done the best I can with a lot of help.

1:16:27 Speaker 5: But remember we've never been funded. We're all volunteer effort,

1:16:31 Speaker 5: and so what we've tried to do is get people

1:16:33 Speaker 5: who have the really good stuff from governments come forward

1:16:37 Speaker 5: and share it. And this is why, you know, when

1:16:39 Speaker 5: the Space Agency of France released a lot of their

1:16:43 Speaker 5: documents after I was having some meetings in France, and

1:16:49 Speaker 5: with some of the scenes.

1:16:49 Speaker 1: You can't say it both was.

1:16:54 Speaker 5: It was France when I was there and when it's

1:16:56 Speaker 5: here at France. And you know that there's an admiral

1:16:58 Speaker 5: that were with us in France who's a wonderful guy,

1:17:04 Speaker 5: and he's an MD and a PhD in an Amerald,

1:17:07 Speaker 5: and you know he knows all this is very real.

1:17:10 Speaker 5: And so eventually the French government really I believe it

1:17:13 Speaker 5: was about one hundred thousand pages of documents on all

1:17:17 Speaker 5: of this. And now since the Disclosure Project launched ten

1:17:20 Speaker 5: or twelve years ago, there are fourteen countries who've opened

1:17:23 Speaker 5: up their files. Now, christ the United States isn't because

1:17:26 Speaker 5: the United States has managed differently on this issue. It's

1:17:30 Speaker 5: a compartment. It unacknowledged the.

1:17:32 Speaker 1: Former Soviet Union has actually been pretty open more recently

1:17:35 Speaker 1: and more recent times about.

1:17:37 Speaker 5: Them when it first fell apart. Not so much now,

1:17:39 Speaker 5: but when it first fell apart, we have a great

1:17:42 Speaker 5: dossi of KGB cases and files and also military and

1:17:47 Speaker 5: in fact, some of the cosmonauts that had had encounters

1:17:51 Speaker 5: with these I pulled together in nineteen ninety five for

1:17:54 Speaker 5: a meeting with some of our astronauts like Agri Mitchell,

1:17:58 Speaker 5: to have a meeting out here in California. So you know,

1:18:01 Speaker 5: there are some really solid cases out of the Soviet Union.

1:18:05 Speaker 1: Does Edgar Mitchell claim to have had a personal experience.

1:18:08 Speaker 5: No, No, he's just investigated it and has concluded that

1:18:12 Speaker 5: this is all very real, and he did come with me.

1:18:15 Speaker 5: I invited him to the briefing we set up for

1:18:17 Speaker 5: the head of intelligence for the Joint chiefs of Staff

1:18:19 Speaker 5: at the Pentagon, and I think it was very interesting

1:18:22 Speaker 5: for him to have learned that people at that level

1:18:25 Speaker 5: were shaken to their foundations because they concluded this was

1:18:29 Speaker 5: all real, but when they made inquiries, they were being

1:18:31 Speaker 5: lied to and denied access. And so this brings up

1:18:34 Speaker 5: this question who's running this show and who's over who

1:18:39 Speaker 5: the Foxes are guarding the hen House. And this exactly

1:18:42 Speaker 5: goes back to Eisenhower's warning. But you know, we're fifty

1:18:46 Speaker 5: years into that era now, and so half a century later.

1:18:50 Speaker 5: As big of a screw up as it was in

1:18:52 Speaker 5: nineteen sixty one when Eisenhower warned us about it, it's

1:18:55 Speaker 5: ten times worse than that now, and so much so

1:18:58 Speaker 5: that I have concluded that the way we change the

1:19:02 Speaker 5: dynamic on this is that the people will lead, the

1:19:04 Speaker 5: leaders will have to follow. We do the disclosure, we

1:19:07 Speaker 5: bring out these technologies, we set up teams to make contact,

1:19:10 Speaker 5: and we just bypassed.

1:19:11 Speaker 1: The government the evidence that you have this or possible

1:19:16 Speaker 1: evidence of this alien life.

1:19:19 Speaker 2: Before that, this is a more recent thing.

1:19:21 Speaker 1: This is fairly recent. Right before that, what was the

1:19:23 Speaker 1: most compelling piece of physical evidence that you've ever encountered?

1:19:28 Speaker 5: I would have to say that it's these really well documented,

1:19:32 Speaker 5: complex cases that involve documents, radar cases with photographs and

1:19:38 Speaker 5: multiple corroborating in credible witnesses.

1:19:40 Speaker 1: Such as what about landing sites?

1:19:42 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I mean we do. I actually have been

1:19:45 Speaker 5: given materials from where the sites of land into very anomalous.

1:19:49 Speaker 5: A great case that's in the French files that they

1:19:51 Speaker 5: released in the Japan was it called Japan This the

1:19:53 Speaker 5: Space Agency like NASA release was the Provence case of

1:19:58 Speaker 5: nineteen eighty one leave when one of these objects landed

1:20:02 Speaker 5: in a lavender field of all places, where just smelled awesome. Yeah.

1:20:07 Speaker 1: Well it was a.

1:20:08 Speaker 5: Commercial lavender farm and so cool, and it was wee

1:20:12 Speaker 5: hours of the morning and this thing lands. The farmer

1:20:15 Speaker 5: comes out and it's this disc shaped craft. I think

1:20:21 Speaker 5: it was in the fifty foot diameter range and there

1:20:24 Speaker 5: were these little beans outside picking lavender. Now this sounds crazy,

1:20:27 Speaker 5: like amount of science.

1:20:28 Speaker 2: Fiction, like you a little guy.

1:20:30 Speaker 5: No, No, from what I remember, like four feet five

1:20:34 Speaker 5: feet in that range. And then but it left this

1:20:38 Speaker 5: spot where it had landed and there were anomalies electromagnetic

1:20:42 Speaker 5: sort of radiation into the soil. And this was actually

1:20:46 Speaker 5: studied by the French government concluded to be an absolutely

1:20:49 Speaker 5: real case, just like the bent Waters Royal Air Force

1:20:53 Speaker 5: Base case in England was determined to be an authentic

1:20:56 Speaker 5: case of a landing. So these sort of landing casees

1:21:00 Speaker 5: that have also Now at the time there weren't many

1:21:04 Speaker 5: people coming forward. Now we have all these military people

1:21:07 Speaker 5: coming forward corroborating they were there they saw this, and

1:21:09 Speaker 5: now the documents are getting released from the UK and France,

1:21:13 Speaker 5: but in the United States it's still a black hole.

1:21:16 Speaker 1: Now we're going to play your trailer for the urcoming

1:21:20 Speaker 1: film Serious. You got to pull up, Brian. Is it

1:21:23 Speaker 1: huged all the way through?

1:21:24 Speaker 5: Here we sit twenty twelve with the world still burning

1:21:27 Speaker 5: oil and gas and coal, when we have had all

1:21:30 Speaker 5: the information we need to have had a completely new civilization.

1:21:37 Speaker 2: Doctor Stephen Greer is absolutely a hero.

1:21:40 Speaker 5: In the councils of government, we misguard again the acquisition

1:21:44 Speaker 5: of unwarranted influence, whether it's sought or unsought by the

1:21:48 Speaker 5: military industrial companies.

1:21:51 Speaker 1: You know, hundreds of billions of dollars burning. The public

1:21:54 Speaker 1: would be a little annoyed, all right, sit down and

1:21:56 Speaker 1: shut up.

1:22:02 Speaker 3: I was told to pray, not to meditate. I was

1:22:06 Speaker 3: told to talk, not to listen.

1:22:07 Speaker 1: I'm learning to listen.

1:22:09 Speaker 5: The primary purpose is to train people to understand these

1:22:13 Speaker 5: other civilizations and their cultures. I don't get what goddamn

1:22:16 Speaker 5: what anybody else says about it. I saw that, But

1:22:19 Speaker 5: who do you tell without them look at it?

1:22:21 Speaker 1: You like you ain't graph two type.

1:22:23 Speaker 4: And I was a part of the United States air

1:22:25 Speaker 4: Force cover up for eighteen years.

1:22:28 Speaker 1: What we are attempting to achieve as a device which

1:22:32 Speaker 1: defuits the perpendicular force of gravity.

1:22:35 Speaker 5: When we look at our data, we lost seven percent

1:22:38 Speaker 5: of weight.

1:22:39 Speaker 2: We now have the technology to take et home.

1:22:42 Speaker 1: Consciousness is at once the most familiar thing to us

1:22:45 Speaker 1: and the most mysterious.

1:22:46 Speaker 5: It doesn't take much effort. You could just clear your mind.

1:22:50 Speaker 5: People are afraid of looking at technology.

1:22:52 Speaker 1: Paul Brown, stuff got basically suppressed for many years.

1:22:55 Speaker 5: If you got murdered, the problem is not proving that

1:22:58 Speaker 5: you appose exists. Is when you begin to expose the

1:23:02 Speaker 5: energy and propulsion system behind how they're getting here. M hm,

1:23:17 Speaker 5: you should push said.

1:23:30 Speaker 2: That little thing freaked me out.

1:23:32 Speaker 5: Really yeah, well, you know, I don't mean to sound callous,

1:23:35 Speaker 5: but being a you know, doctor, I've seen so many

1:23:37 Speaker 5: worse things. But it's actually fascinating, fascinating.

1:23:39 Speaker 1: I mean, it freaked me out, not that it's a

1:23:41 Speaker 1: dead body of dead things. It freaked me out that

1:23:44 Speaker 1: that might be a life form. By the way, well,

1:23:46 Speaker 1: it was.

1:23:46 Speaker 5: A life form. We know for a fact it was

1:23:48 Speaker 5: a life form. What it was what we're investigating, and

1:23:50 Speaker 5: I think that you know, you know, one of our

1:23:52 Speaker 5: witnesses who was on a retrieval team of retrieving extraterrestrial

1:23:58 Speaker 5: bodies from craft that we had targeted. You know, I's

1:24:02 Speaker 5: talked about the fact that there are many different species

1:24:04 Speaker 5: that have been cataloged over the years, and at one point,

1:24:07 Speaker 5: I think it was in the late sixties, there were

1:24:09 Speaker 5: like sixty eight or sixty nine or something in that range.

1:24:13 Speaker 5: You know, if you look at space and look at

1:24:15 Speaker 5: the stars, probably every stable star system has planets around

1:24:19 Speaker 5: it they're discovering, and there's the likelihood that there's an

1:24:23 Speaker 5: enormous diversity of life out there, is a statistical certainty.

1:24:27 Speaker 5: Even the conventional astronomers and the Drake formula will support that.

1:24:33 Speaker 5: The question is, you know, have they gotten here? Well,

1:24:35 Speaker 5: you most probably wouldn't be able to, just like we

1:24:37 Speaker 5: weren't for thousands and thousands of years. But there's such

1:24:41 Speaker 5: hubris to think that, you know, we're at the pinnacle

1:24:43 Speaker 5: of the technology on Earth in twenty thirteen.

1:24:46 Speaker 1: We're not.

1:24:47 Speaker 5: And I think that, and I think that, you know,

1:24:49 Speaker 5: when you begin to look at the progression of technology,

1:24:52 Speaker 5: once you reach a breakout point, as we have in

1:24:54 Speaker 5: the last century here. In fact, most of the big

1:24:57 Speaker 5: breakthroughs and technologies no one knows about. They exist, but

1:25:02 Speaker 5: they're in a classified project. And that's I think as

1:25:05 Speaker 5: big or a bigger story than the et story is

1:25:08 Speaker 5: the fact that there is a cabal of, as I said, sociopathic,

1:25:11 Speaker 5: misanthropic folks who have decided their macroeconomic grip on power

1:25:16 Speaker 5: needs to be maintained through this sort of ruthless secrecy,

1:25:21 Speaker 5: and where they keep from the public this information. Not

1:25:25 Speaker 5: because they think people are going to hurl themselves off

1:25:27 Speaker 5: the Brooklyn Bridge, because we're not alone in the universe,

1:25:29 Speaker 5: but because when this comes out, and this information comes out,

1:25:33 Speaker 5: it means that the sciences already exist so that we

1:25:36 Speaker 5: can get off oil and gas and coal. And you

1:25:38 Speaker 5: know what, a Goldman Sachs guy said, that's a six

1:25:40 Speaker 5: hundred trillion dollar nut. You're cracking right there. Trillion. And

1:25:45 Speaker 5: because if you look at all the oil in the ground,

1:25:47 Speaker 5: the coal in the ground, the commodities trading, the Petra

1:25:49 Speaker 5: dollar system, the utilities, the internal combustion engines, all of

1:25:53 Speaker 5: that is defunct, extinct stuff, or should be. And so

1:25:57 Speaker 5: here we are cannibalizing this planet for no good reason

1:26:02 Speaker 5: except that there's a handful of folks, and you look

1:26:04 Speaker 5: at the sort of centralization of wealth and power there

1:26:07 Speaker 5: is in the world. Now, it's the most extreme it's

1:26:10 Speaker 5: ever been in human history. Right now, right this minute,

1:26:12 Speaker 5: this instant. So you know there's two hundred to three

1:26:16 Speaker 5: hundred individuals and corporations that have over half the network

1:26:19 Speaker 5: of the world.

1:26:20 Speaker 1: You know the guy in the beginning of your video

1:26:22 Speaker 1: that says that your genius David Wilcock. Do you know

1:26:26 Speaker 1: who that guy is? Oh?

1:26:27 Speaker 5: Yes, I know who he is.

1:26:28 Speaker 1: Do you know that he also thinks that he's Edgar

1:26:30 Speaker 1: Casey reincarnated and shows you pictures.

1:26:32 Speaker 5: I have no idea that's news to me.

1:26:34 Speaker 1: Edgar Casey's friends and how his friends look like Edgar

1:26:37 Speaker 1: Casey's friends. Really, do you ever watched any of that

1:26:39 Speaker 1: guy's lectures?

1:26:40 Speaker 5: No, I haven't. Yeah, I mean some of the team

1:26:43 Speaker 5: interviewed him, but I don't.

1:26:44 Speaker 2: I want to do a little editing. You might want

1:26:46 Speaker 2: to do a little editing with that one.

1:26:48 Speaker 1: Not saying that anything else in your documentary is bullshit,

1:26:51 Speaker 1: but that guy makes my radar detect to go off.

1:26:56 Speaker 1: The evidence that this this technology has been suppressed? Is

1:27:03 Speaker 1: there evidence that like this free energy technology has been.

1:27:09 Speaker 5: There's a huge amount of evidence.

1:27:11 Speaker 2: Do you reveal this in this documentary.

1:27:13 Speaker 5: There's a whole document trail. And one of the things

1:27:15 Speaker 5: we got some years ago was a demand from the

1:27:18 Speaker 5: Department of Defense to the FBI that they turned over

1:27:21 Speaker 5: the secret papers of Nikola Tesla that were stolen. And

1:27:24 Speaker 5: we have this document, and you know what happened to

1:27:28 Speaker 5: them and what were they trying to hide. The Federation

1:27:31 Speaker 5: of American Scientists, a very big mainstream organization in Washington

1:27:36 Speaker 5: that has a national security research project associated with the

1:27:40 Speaker 5: Federation American Scientists, came out about two years ago with

1:27:44 Speaker 5: a report that there were five thousand, one hundred and

1:27:47 Speaker 5: thirty five patents that had been seized under the National

1:27:50 Speaker 5: Security Act and that some of these things were energy related.

1:27:54 Speaker 5: One of them, in nineteen seventy one was only a

1:27:58 Speaker 5: solar photo generator. You know, we're from sunlight to electricity

1:28:02 Speaker 5: photobotic that was more than twenty percent efficient now you

1:28:05 Speaker 5: can't even get that now, but meaning that it was

1:28:08 Speaker 5: probably like forty fifty percent turning sunlight directly into electricity,

1:28:13 Speaker 5: and it had a national security order slapped on it.

1:28:16 Speaker 5: And this mainstream scientific group says, how could that be

1:28:19 Speaker 5: a threat to national security. It would have been a

1:28:20 Speaker 5: threat to the domination of oil and coal and the

1:28:24 Speaker 5: petro dollar system. So you know, this is not a

1:28:27 Speaker 5: conspiracy theory. There are entities that have conspired and you

1:28:31 Speaker 5: look at the wealth and power behind these entities. I mean,

1:28:33 Speaker 5: people have been killed for a lot less than this.

1:28:35 Speaker 2: It really is.

1:28:36 Speaker 1: That is such a loaded word, that conspiracy. It's unfortunate

1:28:39 Speaker 1: that it's necessary to use because it's been so co opted.

1:28:43 Speaker 5: Well, I think it's really more about special interest in

1:28:47 Speaker 5: cartels always acting in their interest and if you've got

1:28:50 Speaker 5: the power, you're going to use it. And you know

1:28:52 Speaker 5: what here and here's the problem if the people allow

1:28:55 Speaker 5: it to happen. And obviously reading an article in the

1:28:58 Speaker 5: New Republic about this that if you whether you're you know,

1:29:03 Speaker 5: letting Saddam Hussein or the Libyan dictator Moumarktafi or whatever

1:29:07 Speaker 5: it is, or you have to give them that power.

1:29:11 Speaker 5: We give the power to the government ultimately by our passivity.

1:29:15 Speaker 5: And so ultimately, you know, I'm not one of these

1:29:17 Speaker 5: people who runs around saying, oh, well, you know, they're

1:29:20 Speaker 5: these boogeymen that are doing everything and we're just hapless creatures.

1:29:23 Speaker 5: If we're allowing it, if we're not part of the solution,

1:29:26 Speaker 5: we're part of the problem. If we're if we're allowing

1:29:28 Speaker 5: it by our inaction and passivity because we want to

1:29:31 Speaker 5: be bread and circus people sitting around eating, you know,

1:29:34 Speaker 5: cheetos and watching Jay Leno, which is fine. But if

1:29:37 Speaker 5: that's all we're doing and we're not trying to fix

1:29:39 Speaker 5: this problem, then you know, obviously the passivity of the

1:29:42 Speaker 5: public and our politicians who don't want to risk their

1:29:45 Speaker 5: career or danger in that power vacuum, you're going to

1:29:50 Speaker 5: have these sort of people step And I think there's

1:29:53 Speaker 5: a power vacuum that existed for a little while after

1:29:57 Speaker 5: World War Two that gave an entry to these folks.

1:30:01 Speaker 5: I think that it will continue for as long as

1:30:03 Speaker 5: we let them do it.

1:30:04 Speaker 1: I think it's pretty obvious when you look at the

1:30:06 Speaker 1: fact that this is the age of information, where information

1:30:09 Speaker 1: is being distributed more freely and more easily than ever before.

1:30:13 Speaker 1: Yet this is also the age where the government is

1:30:15 Speaker 1: continuing to attack the Bill of Rights, continuing to slowly

1:30:19 Speaker 1: but surely restrict our rights and civil liberties and make

1:30:23 Speaker 1: it so that if they deem you a threat to

1:30:26 Speaker 1: the nation, in any way, shape or form. They can

1:30:28 Speaker 1: essentially detain you. They don't have to do anything legal,

1:30:31 Speaker 1: they don't have to contact your family. This is all

1:30:33 Speaker 1: stuff that's being past now, and that seems to me

1:30:38 Speaker 1: to point to the fact that they're looking at this

1:30:41 Speaker 1: what is the what's where, where's it going? What's if

1:30:43 Speaker 1: you look at it on a graph, if you look

1:30:45 Speaker 1: at it, if you project the future, well it's going

1:30:48 Speaker 1: towards some ultimate free information space. And if it gets

1:30:52 Speaker 1: to that, then it's going to be revealed exactly how

1:30:55 Speaker 1: much fucker he's been going on for all these decades,

1:30:57 Speaker 1: and how much craziness has been going on behind the scenes.

1:31:00 Speaker 1: And it's going to come to a point in time

1:31:02 Speaker 1: where the government is going to have to be accountable

1:31:04 Speaker 1: for where all the money goes every year in tax dollars,

1:31:07 Speaker 1: and right now they're not. You give them your tax dollars,

1:31:09 Speaker 1: you don't get a receipt, You don't know what the

1:31:11 Speaker 1: fuck happens. There's a congressional budget meetings and the Senate,

1:31:15 Speaker 1: you know, gets together, and the President puts out his

1:31:18 Speaker 1: plan and the financial people get involved. But how much

1:31:21 Speaker 1: access do we actually have as to where your doctor,

1:31:25 Speaker 1: Stephen Grier's financial records or your tax dollars go almost nothing.

1:31:30 Speaker 5: Oh, we don't know. And you know, even the folks

1:31:32 Speaker 5: who I know an auditor for the federal government who

1:31:35 Speaker 5: audits north or Grumman, and he said, one of the

1:31:38 Speaker 5: problems is that once you get to a compartmental, compartmented

1:31:41 Speaker 5: project that's eyes only and it's unacknowledged, they're not going

1:31:45 Speaker 5: to tell you anything. They won't even acknowledge it exists.

1:31:47 Speaker 5: So how is there any check and balance on that?

1:31:49 Speaker 2: It's essentially a dictatorship.

1:31:51 Speaker 1: Yeah, when it gets to that, really you're you're you're

1:31:52 Speaker 1: essentially dealing with the dictatorship. It's just dressed up as

1:31:55 Speaker 1: a democracy. But their ability to act is completely They

1:31:59 Speaker 1: have total community.

1:32:00 Speaker 2: They can do whatever the fuck they want. They don't

1:32:01 Speaker 2: they don't they don't have to work if.

1:32:03 Speaker 5: We let them. And here's the other problem with that,

1:32:06 Speaker 5: you know, is that the macroeconomic system, you know, we're

1:32:08 Speaker 5: supposed to be a free market economy. Well, how free

1:32:11 Speaker 5: can the market be if there have been decades of

1:32:14 Speaker 5: confiscation and suppression of these advanced transdimensional energy devices and

1:32:20 Speaker 5: these so called over unity free energy devices, and that

1:32:24 Speaker 5: if that's going on. It can completely lays to waste

1:32:28 Speaker 5: the whole concept of a free market. So, yeah, it's

1:32:30 Speaker 5: a free market if you want to tinker around the

1:32:32 Speaker 5: edges and come out with an iPhone and five instead

1:32:35 Speaker 5: of an iPhone four or you know whatever version of

1:32:38 Speaker 5: this and that. Right, But let's not forget that your

1:32:40 Speaker 5: computer that you think is so cool, you're charging it

1:32:43 Speaker 5: off a grid that's an eighteen hundreds coal fired power

1:32:46 Speaker 5: grid for the most part. And so you know, we

1:32:48 Speaker 5: really have to wake up to the fact that our

1:32:51 Speaker 5: society has been held back, retarded really seriously by this

1:32:58 Speaker 5: kind of secrecy. And so the secrecy is actually becoming

1:33:01 Speaker 5: a threat to our continue not just our liberty, but

1:33:04 Speaker 5: it's an existential threat to the planet. And moreover, it

1:33:08 Speaker 5: keeps forcing all these unintended consequences where we stay encamped

1:33:13 Speaker 5: in the Middle East and you know the buzzword in

1:33:15 Speaker 5: Washington because of our vital national security interests, well, that's

1:33:19 Speaker 5: code for oil. Just forget the BS. That means oil,

1:33:22 Speaker 5: because you say, well, what about Israel. Israel has two

1:33:24 Speaker 5: or three hundred nuclear weapons and they may I live

1:33:27 Speaker 5: there for three years. Believe me when I tell you,

1:33:30 Speaker 5: they can take care of this. I mean, you know,

1:33:31 Speaker 5: if there's an existential threat to Israel, you know they

1:33:35 Speaker 5: can handle it. They don't need big brother of America there.

1:33:38 Speaker 1: But don't they mean, isn't it. Don't they get a

1:33:40 Speaker 1: tremendous amount of funding from US and weapons.

1:33:42 Speaker 5: Or they get funding. But I'm just saying we don't.

1:33:43 Speaker 5: That's not the reason we're in all those vast areas

1:33:46 Speaker 5: of the Middle East. It's because of the oil interest,

1:33:48 Speaker 5: of course. And you know, and this becomes a question

1:33:51 Speaker 5: of why, Well, because if you have a device that

1:33:56 Speaker 5: would fit on the table here that run your house,

1:33:59 Speaker 5: you don't be on the grid or your car, put

1:34:01 Speaker 5: in the boot of your car, and you have enormous.

1:34:03 Speaker 1: Amount of power electric how would that work?

1:34:07 Speaker 5: Those are called zero point or quantum vacuum electromagnetic generators,

1:34:13 Speaker 5: and basically, through very high voltage systems, you create a

1:34:17 Speaker 5: vector into this baseline energy field that it really holds

1:34:22 Speaker 5: the universe together. And you know, they start talking about

1:34:24 Speaker 5: the Higgs field and the negative energy of the matter

1:34:27 Speaker 5: of the universe. But for years it's been proven that

1:34:30 Speaker 5: this zero point energy field exists through what's called the

1:34:33 Speaker 5: Casimir effect. And I'll get into the Arcana of the

1:34:35 Speaker 5: physics of it. But this is published in mainstream journals.

1:34:38 Speaker 5: The question is how do you tap it and can

1:34:41 Speaker 5: you The answer is yes, and it have been, but

1:34:43 Speaker 5: they keep suppressing scientists and inventors who come up with it.

1:34:46 Speaker 5: There's a man that I know who worked at Lawrence

1:34:48 Speaker 5: Berkeley Labs, and he was using a coiled array around

1:34:52 Speaker 5: a barium tight K eight crystal and using very high

1:34:56 Speaker 5: voltages with certain hurts, certain pulses. He was able to

1:35:01 Speaker 5: get ten times more energy out than was going in

1:35:04 Speaker 5: because the crystaline structure was tapping into this zero point

1:35:07 Speaker 5: energy field that is in the fabric of space and time.

1:35:10 Speaker 5: So there's an enormous amount of power. It's been estimated

1:35:13 Speaker 5: that every cubic centimeter or space not out of space

1:35:15 Speaker 5: space in this room has enough energy to run the

1:35:18 Speaker 5: Earth for a day if you could tap it. So

1:35:20 Speaker 5: the question becomes, if you can do that, you're not

1:35:23 Speaker 5: going to need to have your car filled up at

1:35:25 Speaker 5: a gas station or utility to con it or whoever

1:35:27 Speaker 5: it is, and those sort of interests of Trump, the

1:35:31 Speaker 5: technical ones, the technological issues, I believe it can be fixed.

1:35:37 Speaker 5: It's a strategic issue that's the problem.

1:35:39 Speaker 1: I'm gonna stop you because I need to know about

1:35:41 Speaker 1: this experiment. Where was this taking place?

1:35:44 Speaker 2: Is this peer reviewed?

1:35:45 Speaker 1: Is this something that has been it was confiscated.

1:35:48 Speaker 5: The man that had this happen, it's a physicist and

1:35:54 Speaker 5: some goons broke into his lab, broke it up at

1:35:57 Speaker 5: the experiment, and the basic took him and put him

1:36:00 Speaker 5: in a mental hospital for a while.

1:36:02 Speaker 2: Where did this happen?

1:36:03 Speaker 5: Lawrence Berkeley Labs in the eighties.

1:36:05 Speaker 1: Okay, so seventies or eighties. Do we know exactly what

1:36:08 Speaker 1: he did? And is it reproducible?

1:36:10 Speaker 5: Yeah?

1:36:11 Speaker 2: I think so. Why has no one reproduced this? It

1:36:13 Speaker 2: doesn't make any sense.

1:36:14 Speaker 5: Because you have to have a whole lot of specialized

1:36:16 Speaker 5: equipment to do it right, and people have tried what

1:36:20 Speaker 5: here's getting. Really, the reason we're doing this film is

1:36:24 Speaker 5: that one hundred percent of the proceeds from it are

1:36:27 Speaker 5: going to go in to build a new energy lab,

1:36:29 Speaker 5: so all this stuff that we've collected can be done.

1:36:31 Speaker 5: I think with the intelligence we've gathered in between one

1:36:34 Speaker 5: and two years, we will come out with at least

1:36:36 Speaker 5: a generation one point zero of these energy systems. Because

1:36:40 Speaker 5: I have thousands of pages of documents on this and

1:36:43 Speaker 5: many many physicists who worked in these programs. But you've

1:36:46 Speaker 5: got to have a properly equipped lab, you've got to

1:36:48 Speaker 5: have security, you've got to have the whole world watching.

1:36:51 Speaker 5: And this would not be a secret project like the

1:36:52 Speaker 5: skunk Works at Lockheed. This would be I would am I,

1:36:56 Speaker 5: it would be like this to be streamed, so all

1:36:58 Speaker 5: the work going on in that lab, the whole world watching. Okay, sorry,

1:37:01 Speaker 5: because I don't think you can do this secretibly.

1:37:03 Speaker 1: How come you know about this story? How come you

1:37:05 Speaker 1: know about this experiment tapping into zero point energy? But

1:37:09 Speaker 1: this is not common knowledge amongst nuclear physicists. This is

1:37:12 Speaker 1: not something that's discussed in the mainstream news. This is

1:37:15 Speaker 1: not something that you can find information online in any

1:37:17 Speaker 1: credible source.

1:37:18 Speaker 2: No one is real.

1:37:19 Speaker 1: It seems to me that if there was an experiment

1:37:21 Speaker 1: that tapped into such an unbelievably unlimited supply of energy

1:37:25 Speaker 1: like that, it would be impossible to keep this under wraps,

1:37:28 Speaker 1: that you would be able to keep the conversation under wraps.

1:37:32 Speaker 5: No, it's not true. And in fact, if you go

1:37:34 Speaker 5: to the website series disclosure dot com, there's a portal

1:37:37 Speaker 5: there to the energy research and there are thousands of

1:37:40 Speaker 5: documents and pages of stuff, things that were reported in

1:37:43 Speaker 5: the media, and then they got confiscated and shut down.

1:37:45 Speaker 5: But you're asking this question as if academia and the

1:37:49 Speaker 5: media are operating freely, not under the suppressive behaviors.

1:37:53 Speaker 1: And I think I'm asking the question actually because just

1:37:56 Speaker 1: the nature of human curiosity and incredibly brilliant intelligent men

1:38:00 Speaker 1: that are out there that study energy, I would think

1:38:03 Speaker 1: that someone would look into this and examine it.

1:38:05 Speaker 5: Okay, well there is And in fact, one of the

1:38:07 Speaker 5: people that we were funding for a while before he

1:38:10 Speaker 5: got threatened by a former CIA director who went down

1:38:12 Speaker 5: to his skiff a secure communication intelligence facility, was an

1:38:18 Speaker 5: understudy of Will ms Bender at the University of Washington.

1:38:20 Speaker 2: He got threatened in what they said.

1:38:22 Speaker 5: In nineteen seventy four, I think it was seventy four.

1:38:25 Speaker 5: He formed a company, and he's a brilliant and one

1:38:28 Speaker 5: of the most brilliant people I've ever met who and

1:38:31 Speaker 5: he had developed these trans dimensional systems using electromagnetic energy,

1:38:37 Speaker 5: and some guys came in with a national security order

1:38:42 Speaker 5: told him that they were confiscating his equipment, his device,

1:38:45 Speaker 5: his notes, They were all going into the vault and

1:38:49 Speaker 5: this man who I knew very well, who stayed at

1:38:52 Speaker 5: my home and still works for under contract with CIA

1:38:56 Speaker 5: in various groups. He said that basically the intelligence community

1:39:01 Speaker 5: owns his soul and that it can only do only

1:39:05 Speaker 5: so much to provide information and bring this out. And

1:39:09 Speaker 5: you know, people who think that doesn't happen are living

1:39:11 Speaker 5: in a very naive world.

1:39:12 Speaker 2: This is forty years ago though you're talking about.

1:39:15 Speaker 5: Yeah, and it would happen. That was forty years ago

1:39:18 Speaker 5: when the thing he started. Then when he after I

1:39:20 Speaker 5: developed a relationship with him, he checked with his intelligence

1:39:24 Speaker 5: what they called the shepherds and his handlers and the

1:39:26 Speaker 5: intelligence community. They said, yes, you can work with doctor Greer,

1:39:29 Speaker 5: not on the propulsion stuff that flies around like a UFO,

1:39:32 Speaker 5: but just on the energy generation part of this. And

1:39:35 Speaker 5: so we provided a grant to him through my project,

1:39:38 Speaker 5: the Orion Project.

1:39:39 Speaker 1: So the government limits his ability to do research on

1:39:42 Speaker 1: specific topics.

1:39:45 Speaker 5: Well, he actually is on the payroll the government now

1:39:47 Speaker 5: because he was basically told it's this, so you have

1:39:49 Speaker 5: no career at all. And if he had disclosed what

1:39:53 Speaker 5: he had been invented in nineteen seventy four under the National

1:39:56 Speaker 5: Security Order, he was hit with he would have been imprisoned.

1:40:00 Speaker 5: And these exist. You can look it up as section

1:40:03 Speaker 5: one eighty one eighty one of the Patent law in

1:40:04 Speaker 5: the National Security Act. These national security orders happen all

1:40:08 Speaker 5: the time. So but who's author right, You think President

1:40:11 Speaker 5: Obama or the or the Senate Intelligence Committee knows that

1:40:14 Speaker 5: these goons are out there doing this stuff. No, And

1:40:17 Speaker 5: so here's this brilliant guy. But I mean he's not

1:40:20 Speaker 5: like he's Rambo. I mean he's an engineer and a physicist.

1:40:24 Speaker 5: So he develops this stuff. A bunch of guys come

1:40:26 Speaker 5: in who are badass folks, okay, and he's terrified. And

1:40:31 Speaker 5: so then all these years later it circles back around.

1:40:35 Speaker 5: We get hold of him and we say, look, okay,

1:40:38 Speaker 5: here's you know, some funds do this for us on

1:40:42 Speaker 5: a you know, generation one point zero version of this something,

1:40:45 Speaker 5: and check with your intelligence folks. And they cleared him.

1:40:48 Speaker 5: About the time he was beginning to put this thing together,

1:40:51 Speaker 5: a FORMERCYI directed with a bunch of goons came down

1:40:54 Speaker 5: in twenty ten is two years three years ago, threatened him,

1:40:57 Speaker 5: threatened his family and so that you are not going

1:41:02 Speaker 5: to do this any further, and made it very clear.

1:41:05 Speaker 5: One of the guys at the naval research labs I've

1:41:07 Speaker 5: worked with for years who had some of this information,

1:41:10 Speaker 5: he was told, we will kill you, your wife, your children,

1:41:13 Speaker 5: and your grandchildren if you step out of line on this.

1:41:16 Speaker 5: So I don't think that you know, in terms of

1:41:18 Speaker 5: dealing with this, that you're going to be able to

1:41:20 Speaker 5: do it under any kind of where someone's trying to

1:41:23 Speaker 5: do it quietly secretively. It's going to have to be

1:41:26 Speaker 5: in plain sight.

1:41:27 Speaker 1: So what you're saying is that several people have tried

1:41:29 Speaker 1: to do this in the past one hundred every time,

1:41:32 Speaker 1: and every time they do it, they're threatened and stop

1:41:34 Speaker 1: from doing it. What specialized pieces of equipment would be

1:41:38 Speaker 1: necessary to produce this zero point energy field thing?

1:41:42 Speaker 5: Well, first of all, you know your your computer in

1:41:45 Speaker 5: lights who are running on one ten or two twenty

1:41:48 Speaker 5: all right, voltage. The voltage is involved in these transdimensional

1:41:52 Speaker 5: physics is in the thousands to millions of volts, but

1:41:54 Speaker 5: it very low current, and so you have to have

1:41:57 Speaker 5: special analyzers and generators for that. So, I mean, there

1:42:01 Speaker 5: is a science to this, and we understand it very

1:42:03 Speaker 5: very well. Actually, But building up that lab, I mean

1:42:07 Speaker 5: we looked into the equipment just as like half a

1:42:09 Speaker 5: million dollars just to do that. And so what you

1:42:12 Speaker 5: have to do is.

1:42:13 Speaker 1: It seems like nothing if you're talking about half a

1:42:15 Speaker 1: million dollars, that can.

1:42:16 Speaker 5: No, no, that's just the equipment. No no, no, there's

1:42:18 Speaker 5: no no building, no personnel, no staff, no nothing, just

1:42:21 Speaker 5: you know, the machine. So but so we estimate we

1:42:25 Speaker 5: have a budget for about a two year program around

1:42:29 Speaker 5: six million dollars to put a lab together, put these

1:42:32 Speaker 5: really brilliant people in it, get the right equipment, and

1:42:34 Speaker 5: build up these experiments and do real science. But the

1:42:38 Speaker 5: problem is you have people off on their own doing

1:42:40 Speaker 5: this that stumble across this phenomenon and they get shut

1:42:44 Speaker 5: down or threatened or bought out. Then you know, you

1:42:48 Speaker 5: have the folks who will be instead of threatened, they'll

1:42:52 Speaker 5: just be offered money. You know, So a lot of people.

1:42:56 Speaker 5: Doctor beard and tells the story of a man that

1:42:57 Speaker 5: had one of these generators and he was tested it

1:43:00 Speaker 5: was a legitimate over unity system, and then the guy disappeared,

1:43:04 Speaker 5: and the next time he saw the guy, he had

1:43:06 Speaker 5: a Ferrari and an Armani suit. And the guy never

1:43:08 Speaker 5: had a pot pan as it were, And and you know,

1:43:13 Speaker 5: What we found with this is that a lot of

1:43:15 Speaker 5: times folks will just say, look, you know, we're going

1:43:17 Speaker 5: to buy this, and a lot of people don't believe

1:43:20 Speaker 5: that happens, and they think that's a conspiracy theory. It

1:43:23 Speaker 5: isn't a conspiracy theory. And this is why the Federation

1:43:25 Speaker 5: of American Scientists when they said, look, they're fivey one

1:43:28 Speaker 5: hundred and thirty five or something like that patents that

1:43:31 Speaker 5: have been seized. Most people don't know that those national

1:43:33 Speaker 5: security orders can happen outside of the patent process. So

1:43:37 Speaker 5: even if you're not going the patent route, they can

1:43:39 Speaker 5: go in there and just seize the damn thing. And

1:43:41 Speaker 5: what are you gonna do?

1:43:43 Speaker 1: They just seize it based on the idea that it's

1:43:45 Speaker 1: somehow another threat.

1:43:46 Speaker 5: Well you, I mean, it's kind of like the flag

1:43:49 Speaker 5: in the Bible and that you be wrap yourself in

1:43:50 Speaker 5: these things to do all kinds of outrageous behaviors. Yes,

1:43:55 Speaker 5: but I mean, you can say it's national security. But

1:43:58 Speaker 5: as this one document from the Federal American Scientist says,

1:44:01 Speaker 5: how could a solar volt system be a threat to

1:44:03 Speaker 5: the national security? It would be a threat to the

1:44:05 Speaker 5: special interests that are calling the shots. So the question becomes,

1:44:09 Speaker 5: who's really calling the shots on these sort of decisions.

1:44:12 Speaker 5: Is it in the interests of we the people? No,

1:44:14 Speaker 5: it's in the interest of folks who want to protect

1:44:18 Speaker 5: their cartels.

1:44:19 Speaker 1: What is your take on guys who have come clean before,

1:44:24 Speaker 1: Guys like doctor Robert Lazar.

1:44:27 Speaker 2: Is that guy full of shit?

1:44:28 Speaker 1: He's the guy from Area fifty one that came back

1:44:31 Speaker 1: and said that he was back engineering some alien craft

1:44:35 Speaker 1: and very compelling to listen to, very interesting guy. But

1:44:39 Speaker 1: before I understand, doctor Stanton Friedman questioned him and in

1:44:44 Speaker 1: fact called him a fraud and said that some of

1:44:46 Speaker 1: his educational background was kind of made up.

1:44:49 Speaker 5: And here's the problem with any case where you hang

1:44:51 Speaker 5: it on one person like that is very risky. And

1:44:55 Speaker 5: that's why I've tried to resist that. When we started

1:44:58 Speaker 5: putting together the people who knew about the nuclear facilities

1:45:02 Speaker 5: with their UFOs coming over, I didn't want one or two.

1:45:05 Speaker 5: I wanted half a dozen or a dozen. That's what

1:45:07 Speaker 5: we have. The more spectacular the cases if it hangs

1:45:11 Speaker 5: on one person and the other question is where's the corroboration?

1:45:15 Speaker 5: So I think that that's why we try to focus

1:45:18 Speaker 5: on that. Now, I will say that the areas out

1:45:21 Speaker 5: in the Knells range, and nobody, by the way, cause

1:45:24 Speaker 5: it area fifty one. But will let's say that because

1:45:26 Speaker 5: they pahot MESA S four, S three, S twelve, and

1:45:31 Speaker 5: actually this National Reconnaissance Office document from the nineteen nineties

1:45:35 Speaker 5: lists those facilities there properly.

1:45:40 Speaker 1: You know.

1:45:41 Speaker 5: Well, that's after Blackjack control.

1:45:43 Speaker 1: They had to apply for additional land. Before that, they

1:45:46 Speaker 1: denied it entirely. They had to apply for additional land

1:45:50 Speaker 1: because people were getting so close so they could film

1:45:53 Speaker 1: footage of some of these crafts that they were experimenting on.

1:45:55 Speaker 2: And that's not.

1:45:56 Speaker 1: Bullshit if you've ever seen. No one knows, ye knows

1:46:00 Speaker 1: what those things were, but the way they were moving

1:46:03 Speaker 1: was extraordinary. They moved unlike any craft that we know.

1:46:07 Speaker 1: I would assume that if you look at what we're

1:46:11 Speaker 1: doing today in all different parts of the world with drones,

1:46:15 Speaker 1: especially these drones that have hell fire missiles that can

1:46:20 Speaker 1: be fairly accurate, when you're considering that they're being operated

1:46:23 Speaker 1: by someone halfway across the world, that this probably has

1:46:27 Speaker 1: something to do with what they were working on back

1:46:29 Speaker 1: then when they're making these things fly around and do

1:46:31 Speaker 1: all these crazy turns and twists in the sky.

1:46:33 Speaker 5: No, because the drones that are being reported are conventional

1:46:36 Speaker 5: propulsion systems, either air jets or what we're talking about

1:46:39 Speaker 5: are things that are moving in a way that is

1:46:41 Speaker 5: outside the envelope of normal aerodynamic behavior. In other words,

1:46:45 Speaker 5: you cannot take something with a normal propeller or jet

1:46:50 Speaker 5: engine and accelerated it twenty thousand miles per hour and

1:46:53 Speaker 5: make a right hand turn. And we have photos and

1:46:55 Speaker 5: images of these things doing this. So when you're doing that,

1:46:58 Speaker 5: that's going to your brains, are going to come out

1:47:00 Speaker 5: of your nose if you're a pilot, and even a

1:47:02 Speaker 5: conventional object is going to be blown to smithereens by

1:47:05 Speaker 5: the inertial forces of that kind of turn and decceleration.

1:47:09 Speaker 2: I think we will be talking about two different things though.

1:47:11 Speaker 5: No, I'm not talking about.

1:47:13 Speaker 2: But you're talking about things that have been seen in space.

1:47:16 Speaker 5: No, I'm talking about things that had area fifty one

1:47:19 Speaker 5: at Area fifty one and also all over the world

1:47:21 Speaker 5: that have been documented moving in this way. Those are

1:47:24 Speaker 5: moving and I'm quoting actually General Debrauer of the Belgian

1:47:28 Speaker 5: Air Force Chief who said, this is outside the envelope

1:47:31 Speaker 5: of any conventional aerodynamic system.

1:47:33 Speaker 2: I'm not questioning that.

1:47:34 Speaker 1: But what I am saying is that the things that

1:47:37 Speaker 1: I've seen as far as videos from Area fifty one

1:47:40 Speaker 1: with these unidentified objects, whatever they were moving across the sky,

1:47:44 Speaker 1: they weren't moving that fast.

1:47:45 Speaker 2: Well, they were moving conventional speech.

1:47:48 Speaker 5: Oh, that's conventional, so that could be. But I'm talking

1:47:50 Speaker 5: about the things that I know that have been imaged

1:47:52 Speaker 5: out there, including a daytime object. We have a great video.

1:47:57 Speaker 2: What is this video that you're showing us, Brian?

1:47:59 Speaker 1: What was uh?

1:48:00 Speaker 4: This is uh lower your forty nine quad copters in

1:48:04 Speaker 4: an outdoor formation flight?

1:48:06 Speaker 2: That okay, let me see that.

1:48:08 Speaker 3: It's a pretty pretty bad ass the video.

1:48:10 Speaker 1: This is uh, these are these are conventional? Uh you

1:48:14 Speaker 1: could actually buy these right? Not these I'm not sure

1:48:18 Speaker 1: are they DARPA? Is this darker shit?

1:48:20 Speaker 3: This is ours electronic?

1:48:23 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, but actually you can buy a little military so.

1:48:27 Speaker 1: We could see. Yeah, if you've never seen this, what

1:48:29 Speaker 1: they can do now is really extraordinary. I mean, this

1:48:34 Speaker 1: is all these drones moving or what do you call them?

1:48:38 Speaker 3: What are these are just like little toys?

1:48:39 Speaker 5: Almost?

1:48:39 Speaker 1: Yeah they are.

1:48:40 Speaker 3: Yeah, but I'm sure a lot of people saw this

1:48:43 Speaker 3: in the sky. I was like, oh my god, what

1:48:44 Speaker 3: the fuck's that? And called it? You know UFOs.

1:48:46 Speaker 1: Yeah, Look how they move. I mean, this is really

1:48:48 Speaker 1: amazing stuff. They move in a geometric pattern in the

1:48:51 Speaker 1: sky right that mimics galaxies?

1:48:54 Speaker 5: All right, cool?

1:48:55 Speaker 1: So we know that there's some things that I mean,

1:48:57 Speaker 1: these are obviously terrestrial crafts. This is something.

1:48:59 Speaker 2: Look look what they're doing. I mean, that's amazing. This

1:49:03 Speaker 2: is not UFOs, of course, is identified flying.

1:49:06 Speaker 5: I mean not everything that people see that they don't

1:49:08 Speaker 5: know what it is as a UFO. I mean it's unignowlged. Well,

1:49:10 Speaker 5: it's unidentified to them, and it may be flying. But

1:49:13 Speaker 5: you know, I'm talking about things that are really quite amazing,

1:49:16 Speaker 5: like this one photograph we have of this triangle that's

1:49:18 Speaker 5: going like this and it makes a right hand turning

1:49:21 Speaker 5: and it's going in the photograph.

1:49:23 Speaker 2: Or video photo. Can we see this somewhere?

1:49:26 Speaker 5: Uh, it's I don't know where it's going to be

1:49:30 Speaker 5: in the film.

1:49:31 Speaker 1: But it's going to be in the film. But it's

1:49:32 Speaker 1: it's available online, isn't it. I mean it must. I

1:49:35 Speaker 1: don't know how long has it's been around for. I'll

1:49:38 Speaker 1: have to look it up.

1:49:39 Speaker 2: I don't have to.

1:49:39 Speaker 5: I don't have to cut the film in here, but

1:49:41 Speaker 5: I you know this is one. You know, there are

1:49:43 Speaker 5: a number of these.

1:49:43 Speaker 2: But this is a very compelling piece of evidence.

1:49:45 Speaker 5: Yeah, amazing.

1:49:46 Speaker 2: Why wouldn't you put.

1:49:47 Speaker 1: That online immediately and say, hey, you got to look

1:49:49 Speaker 1: at this. This is a compelling piece of.

1:49:51 Speaker 5: I think it is online somewhere, but I mean, I

1:49:53 Speaker 5: just can't tell you where. You know, we we have

1:49:56 Speaker 5: thousands of pages on our website. You can go if

1:49:58 Speaker 5: you go to a serious disclosure dot com you can

1:50:00 Speaker 5: click through and there's a whole photo gallery and all

1:50:02 Speaker 5: kinds of stuff.

1:50:03 Speaker 2: Okay, good.

1:50:04 Speaker 5: I don't know if this particular one is in that

1:50:05 Speaker 5: photo gallery. But for example, you look at the Vancouver

1:50:08 Speaker 5: Island photograph of a few years ago. I mean I

1:50:11 Speaker 5: think it was in the eighties, daytime disc with a dome.

1:50:15 Speaker 5: It is not a photoshopped. I was studied at NASA ames.

1:50:19 Speaker 5: It's probably the clearest photograph ever taking broad daylight. And

1:50:23 Speaker 5: you know what is that? Well, you know, it's just

1:50:26 Speaker 5: like these ones from Belgium where you have these photographs

1:50:28 Speaker 5: of these big triangular objects and their photo and video

1:50:31 Speaker 5: of those matching up with radar cases and jet pilots

1:50:34 Speaker 5: chasing them. I'm talking about those kind of things. There's

1:50:39 Speaker 5: actually more than people can imagine that's out there.

1:50:41 Speaker 1: Okay, so there's enough of these things where if you

1:50:44 Speaker 1: look at I believe Michokaku said five percent of all

1:50:50 Speaker 1: UFO sightings are completely unexplainable to find laws of physics

1:50:53 Speaker 1: and may possibly be, in his opinion, something that we

1:50:57 Speaker 1: don't understand or could be possibly.

1:50:58 Speaker 5: So that's what I'm talking about. The other stuff.

1:51:00 Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you think they're doing here?

1:51:05 Speaker 5: That's a sixty four trillion dollar question. I think I

1:51:09 Speaker 5: think there are a number of things. Number one, I

1:51:12 Speaker 5: don't think there it's new at all. I don't think

1:51:15 Speaker 5: there's a new phenomenon. There's enough material out there from

1:51:18 Speaker 5: ancient times that would indicate that these objects have been

1:51:21 Speaker 5: around since recorded history. I mentioned this earlier in the show.

1:51:25 Speaker 5: But secondly, I think this stage of our evolution, these

1:51:29 Speaker 5: civilizations are rather concerned about our potential to destroy this

1:51:34 Speaker 5: planet and ourselves, but also the fact we're going into space.

1:51:37 Speaker 5: We have not become peaceful, and in they're classified projects,

1:51:41 Speaker 5: we have things way beyond the International Space Station, so

1:51:44 Speaker 5: that we could become an existential threat to other planets potentially,

1:51:48 Speaker 5: So I think that there is a concern about that,

1:51:51 Speaker 5: and I think that you know, there are all these movies,

1:51:53 Speaker 5: you know, Battle Los Angeles and Independence Day and.

1:51:55 Speaker 2: Blah blah blah Avatar the other way.

1:51:58 Speaker 5: You know, it's yeah, and it's such me. It's like, okay, yeah,

1:52:02 Speaker 5: It's like when I went to write Petterson Air Force

1:52:03 Speaker 5: Base where they hit the Blue room that that very

1:52:06 Speaker 5: Goldwater tried sender to Goldwater tried to get in and you.

1:52:09 Speaker 2: Know thee yeah, yeah.

1:52:11 Speaker 5: It wasn't that. But but the thing is is.

1:52:13 Speaker 1: That hangary team right Patterson Air Force p Yeah, but

1:52:16 Speaker 1: this is a different thing in right Patterson Air Force per.

1:52:18 Speaker 5: Right, it's called the Blue Room.

1:52:20 Speaker 2: Is that where supposedly the Roswell wreckage was.

1:52:23 Speaker 5: The air Material Command. And then when I was there.

1:52:25 Speaker 1: That, by the way, very compelling piece of evidence that

1:52:27 Speaker 1: there might have been something serious going on other than

1:52:30 Speaker 1: a weather balloon. The fact that two separate planes were

1:52:32 Speaker 1: used to send this wreckage, because in case one of

1:52:35 Speaker 1: them went down, it was so historically significant. I have

1:52:39 Speaker 1: that that newspaper, the Roswell Daily Record. I have that

1:52:42 Speaker 1: page on my wall in my house and I look

1:52:45 Speaker 1: at it all the time. It's a fascinating I mean,

1:52:48 Speaker 1: it's it's essentially a press release by the military saying

1:52:52 Speaker 1: we recovered a crash.

1:52:53 Speaker 5: Disc before they pulled it back. Yeah.

1:52:55 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's amazing because that's that's a big statement, you know,

1:52:59 Speaker 1: I mean, look at all the things that could have

1:53:01 Speaker 1: been they could have been wrong about, like, oh, it

1:53:03 Speaker 1: could have been something else. But the fact that they

1:53:06 Speaker 1: came out and said it's a crash disc that had

1:53:09 Speaker 1: never been done before that that really was one of

1:53:12 Speaker 1: the first.

1:53:13 Speaker 5: I think some heads rolled over that press release. But

1:53:16 Speaker 5: because they had to pull it back.

1:53:18 Speaker 1: Well then they did that ridiculous dog and Pony show

1:53:20 Speaker 1: where they brought out this shitty.

1:53:22 Speaker 2: Looking aluminum Yeah, it kind of looks like a thing.

1:53:24 Speaker 2: It's hilarious that that's quite hilarious.

1:53:26 Speaker 1: And the government I've always i mean, if you just

1:53:29 Speaker 1: look at the history deception that the government has in

1:53:32 Speaker 1: dealing with the American public from the get go, and

1:53:35 Speaker 1: whether it's with the Gulf of Tonkin incident or whether

1:53:38 Speaker 1: it's what happened with the Contras and the Sandinistas using

1:53:42 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, taxpayer dollars and black ops from

1:53:45 Speaker 1: selling cocaine in the ghettos of Los Angeles to fun

1:53:48 Speaker 1: rebel armies. If you just look, you got to know

1:53:51 Speaker 1: they're not telling the truth. Why would they tell the

1:53:52 Speaker 1: truth if it was just a weather balloon? Would they

1:53:55 Speaker 1: really put on this fucking dog and pony show where

1:53:57 Speaker 1: they'd have a general sit there and was a colonel

1:54:00 Speaker 1: whoever it was, on his knees pointing out all the

1:54:02 Speaker 1: rest who look at this?

1:54:04 Speaker 5: He is just wrecked right, Well, that's what Colonel Corso

1:54:06 Speaker 5: said that you know, there's no question that this was

1:54:09 Speaker 5: something very legitimate. And in fact, you know when Barry Goldwater,

1:54:13 Speaker 5: Senator Goldwater, who had McCain seat before John McCain took

1:54:18 Speaker 5: it in Arizona, I was at his home some years

1:54:21 Speaker 5: ago and he had left the Senate and he told me,

1:54:23 Speaker 5: he said, look, he says it was a goddamn mistake.

1:54:27 Speaker 5: Then he said, goddamn mistake now that this was ever

1:54:29 Speaker 5: kept secret. But he was an Air Force reserved general,

1:54:32 Speaker 5: and he told me. Senator Goldwater said, look, I asked

1:54:35 Speaker 5: Curtis LeMay, General LeMay to get me into the blue

1:54:38 Speaker 5: room at right Patterson because I wanted to see this stuff.

1:54:41 Speaker 5: Because he had heard reports from other pilots about UFO encounters,

1:54:45 Speaker 5: and Senator Goldwater told me that Curtis May said, look, Barry,

1:54:50 Speaker 5: I can't even get into that area anymore. And if

1:54:53 Speaker 5: you ever asked me about this again, I will personally

1:54:55 Speaker 5: see that you are a court martialed out of the

1:54:58 Speaker 5: Air Force Reserves. This to a sitting senator and a

1:55:03 Speaker 5: guy who'd run for president, of course in nineteen sixty five,

1:55:06 Speaker 5: that actually happened. Yeah, no, that's amazing, amazing. Well, I

1:55:12 Speaker 5: was sitting there with the senator, and I have a

1:55:14 Speaker 5: guy who was there with me, and you know what

1:55:16 Speaker 5: when I asked him was was Was Curtis May serious?

1:55:20 Speaker 5: He said, yeah, like a heart attack, he says. I

1:55:22 Speaker 5: never brought it up again. And so the question becomes,

1:55:27 Speaker 5: you know, when you have someone like Curtis le May

1:55:30 Speaker 5: who admits and if you google who he was, who

1:55:33 Speaker 5: admits to the fact that at a certain point even

1:55:35 Speaker 5: he was being kind of sidelined in terms of access

1:55:39 Speaker 5: of this information, and then threatens and says something like

1:55:42 Speaker 5: that to a sitting powerful US senator. Did they were

1:55:45 Speaker 5: good friends? I mean, they were buddies. You know, there's

1:55:49 Speaker 5: there's something going on here. And I've heard too many

1:55:51 Speaker 5: accounts like that from these sorts of people. And I

1:55:55 Speaker 5: think it's a it's a time for people to understand that,

1:55:59 Speaker 5: you know, ruthless people are out there and they do

1:56:02 Speaker 5: this sort of stuff. So you know, when when what

1:56:06 Speaker 5: happened for the last sixty years continues to go on

1:56:10 Speaker 5: and on and on, the people who try to move

1:56:15 Speaker 5: into this who are politicians, end up hitting the same boat.

1:56:18 Speaker 5: Saw that Senator Goldwater did.

1:56:21 Speaker 1: These incredibly powerful, technologically advanced beings that come here from

1:56:26 Speaker 1: another planet and are concerned with the fact that we've

1:56:29 Speaker 1: developed the power to blow ourselves up, but yet lack

1:56:32 Speaker 1: the understanding, the intellect, or the spiritual capacity to recognize

1:56:37 Speaker 1: what the dangers and the repercussions of those actions would be.

1:56:39 Speaker 1: What are they are they? Does anybody communicating with them?

1:56:43 Speaker 1: Does anybody have a message from them? Is there anything

1:56:46 Speaker 1: that they say will be done if we keep fucking around?

1:56:50 Speaker 2: I mean, is there is there.

1:56:53 Speaker 1: Like any any any doctrine that they're trying to push

1:56:59 Speaker 1: on us? Oh?

1:57:00 Speaker 5: I don't know if there's any doctrine. I think they're

1:57:02 Speaker 5: waiting for us to reach you know, uh, you know

1:57:06 Speaker 5: you mentioned this, physicist, but you have you know, a

1:57:08 Speaker 5: level one civilization or a level two where we begin

1:57:11 Speaker 5: to behave in a halfway civilized way, so that we

1:57:13 Speaker 5: could be quite open in our contact. But I think,

1:57:16 Speaker 5: you know, I think everyone always says, well, why don't

1:57:18 Speaker 5: they just land on the White House long or something?

1:57:19 Speaker 5: I said, yeah, right, who's white House?

1:57:22 Speaker 1: Right?

1:57:23 Speaker 5: Humans are America?

1:57:25 Speaker 1: Right? Yeah?

1:57:25 Speaker 5: Yeah, so maybe the White House in Bogota, Columbia. I

1:57:30 Speaker 5: think the question is, uh, it turns it the whole

1:57:36 Speaker 5: issue upside down. What do we have to do as

1:57:38 Speaker 5: a people in a civilization to uh be able to

1:57:42 Speaker 5: go into space and have open contact with these civilizations

1:57:47 Speaker 5: quite in an overt way as opposed to episodic way.

1:57:52 Speaker 5: And I think that requires us to begin begin to

1:57:54 Speaker 5: behave peacefully. It certainly requires that we not begin to

1:57:57 Speaker 5: weaponize space, and that we stop doing things that are

1:58:00 Speaker 5: incredibly self destructive. But you know, the idea that they're

1:58:04 Speaker 5: going to land here and and for it's like us

1:58:06 Speaker 5: going to Afghanistan. Think we're going to impose Jeffersonian democracy

1:58:09 Speaker 5: on a medieval feudal society. Really that never has worked.

1:58:14 Speaker 5: So I think these civilizations are smart enough to know

1:58:16 Speaker 5: that that isn't the way this is going to happen

1:58:18 Speaker 5: that humans have. But the problem is that I kind

1:58:22 Speaker 5: of think we're running out of time to get some

1:58:24 Speaker 5: things right, things that should have been fixed one hundred

1:58:26 Speaker 5: years ago, like living together peacefully, bringing out these technologies

1:58:30 Speaker 5: that we don't destroy the biosphere, eliminating poverty in the world.

1:58:34 Speaker 5: You know, forty eight percent of the public doesn't have

1:58:36 Speaker 5: a pot the pen literally, they don't have indoor plumbing

1:58:40 Speaker 5: on this planet. Forty eight percent of the seven billion people.

1:58:42 Speaker 5: A lot of people don't know that. So, you know,

1:58:45 Speaker 5: I think that until we begin to fix some of

1:58:47 Speaker 5: these larger problems. And the good news about all this

1:58:50 Speaker 5: is that it's fixable, and the means that technologies to

1:58:54 Speaker 5: do that are already in existence. So if they're already

1:58:58 Speaker 5: in existence, and the science is and studied and suppressed

1:59:01 Speaker 5: and studied in suppressed for decades, it means that we

1:59:04 Speaker 5: as a people have to come together and say, all right,

1:59:06 Speaker 5: we're going to do this. And I think this is

1:59:09 Speaker 5: why the sort of hate to use the word activists

1:59:12 Speaker 5: or advocacy part of what we're doing is that people

1:59:15 Speaker 5: are always expecting someone else to do this, you know,

1:59:20 Speaker 5: and I think people have to say no, each of

1:59:23 Speaker 5: us have to be responsible for the planet and for

1:59:26 Speaker 5: our future and kind of creating a good future. You

1:59:29 Speaker 5: can't look to big Brother to do it, and I

1:59:31 Speaker 5: don't think you should look through the ets to do it,

1:59:33 Speaker 5: and not that they're not going to help us if

1:59:35 Speaker 5: we at some point we reached a point of being

1:59:38 Speaker 5: functional as opposed to dysfunctional. But I think the prime

1:59:42 Speaker 5: movers have to be the people. We the people and

1:59:45 Speaker 5: my mom's family were some of the original people in

1:59:48 Speaker 5: the American Revolution. We fact terrible to say we were

1:59:51 Speaker 5: the first prisoner of war with the British, But I

1:59:55 Speaker 5: think about the fact that you know, here you had

1:59:57 Speaker 5: this ragtag bunch of people in the American rev illusion

2:00:00 Speaker 5: taken on the most powerful navy and most powerful empire

2:00:04 Speaker 5: in the world the time, the British Empire. I think

2:00:08 Speaker 5: people have to see that within the human spirit, we

2:00:10 Speaker 5: have the means to do this, and a lot of

2:00:12 Speaker 5: people give too much power to where I don't think

2:00:15 Speaker 5: it should be provided to these covert groups and these

2:00:19 Speaker 5: sort of cartels. I think again, I'm getting back to

2:00:23 Speaker 5: this idea of empowerment where we have exactly the power

2:00:27 Speaker 5: we're willing to manifest and know more. But if we're

2:00:29 Speaker 5: going to sit on our hands and expect someone else

2:00:31 Speaker 5: to do it. We're in trouble and there's been too

2:00:33 Speaker 5: much of that and there needs to be I guess

2:00:37 Speaker 5: some moral courage here. And I you know, this is

2:00:39 Speaker 5: what sick in me about, you know, the politics of

2:00:41 Speaker 5: the media and then all these scandals like you were

2:00:43 Speaker 5: talking about with betray us and you know during the

2:00:46 Speaker 5: Clinton earor the Monica Lewinsky thing I called the blow

2:00:49 Speaker 5: job heard around the world, that it's just so much nonsense,

2:00:54 Speaker 5: whereas these big issues are the moral issues as I

2:00:57 Speaker 5: see it.

2:00:57 Speaker 1: You know, well, I think if you look at us

2:01:00 Speaker 1: as a being, as an entity, and our progress on

2:01:05 Speaker 1: this planet, it's so staggering over such a short period

2:01:09 Speaker 1: of time that I think our minds, our ability to

2:01:14 Speaker 1: pass down information, all of these things lagged behind. We're

2:01:19 Speaker 1: essentially waking up in the middle of history. As a

2:01:23 Speaker 1: race of beings humans, We're waking up in the middle

2:01:28 Speaker 1: of a massive amount of momentum. As you're born, you

2:01:31 Speaker 1: were born into a race that is moving in an

2:01:35 Speaker 1: incredibly powerful direction that it's very hard to stop.

2:01:39 Speaker 2: And it's also the.

2:01:41 Speaker 1: Same animal that just twenty thousand and thirty thousand, go

2:01:45 Speaker 1: back as far as you want, where we were essentially

2:01:46 Speaker 1: tribal monkey people. I mean, that's all of those instincts

2:01:51 Speaker 1: that allowed us to get to twenty thirteen are all

2:01:54 Speaker 1: encoded in our genome. All of those instincts, all of

2:01:57 Speaker 1: those reward systems are all encoded, and all of those

2:02:01 Speaker 1: reward systems that whether you look back to Napoleon or

2:02:04 Speaker 1: Genghis Khan, or look at any war figure, any dominator

2:02:09 Speaker 1: throughout human history, the people in power have always tried

2:02:14 Speaker 1: to keep in power and suppress others.

2:02:17 Speaker 2: I think they do.

2:02:18 Speaker 1: But I think also if you look at the power

2:02:21 Speaker 1: of technology to overwhelm everything, including the head spook of

2:02:26 Speaker 1: the CIA. I mean, he was essentially overwhelmed by email.

2:02:29 Speaker 1: That's what took him over, you know. I mean it

2:02:31 Speaker 1: was it was the FBI looking any things, but essentially

2:02:33 Speaker 1: it was all done through electronic means.

2:02:36 Speaker 2: It was all done through He.

2:02:37 Speaker 1: Was revealed by the very powers that the CIA uses.

2:02:41 Speaker 2: In the first place, they're spies.

2:02:45 Speaker 1: The top spy was spied on. It's in my opinion,

2:02:49 Speaker 1: when I look at human history and I look at

2:02:52 Speaker 1: where they just tried to extrapolate. When I tried to

2:02:56 Speaker 1: extrapolate where we're going. It seems to me that it's

2:02:58 Speaker 1: all symbiotically connected to technology, and that seems unavoidable. That's

2:03:03 Speaker 1: why I have such a hard time with the idea

2:03:05 Speaker 1: of someone creating some zero point energy thing that people

2:03:10 Speaker 1: aren't looking into. Enough people know about what Tesla was

2:03:13 Speaker 1: working on. Enough people are fascinated by the ideas of wormholes,

2:03:18 Speaker 1: and I just would think that more people would be

2:03:20 Speaker 1: involved in this, and that the government, with all its shady,

2:03:23 Speaker 1: nefarious arms, wouldn't be able to put out all of

2:03:27 Speaker 1: those fires.

2:03:28 Speaker 5: But a lot of it's self censoring. For example, I'll

2:03:30 Speaker 5: give you a really good example. There was an academic

2:03:32 Speaker 5: guy that I was talking to recently and he was

2:03:36 Speaker 5: wanting to push into this issue, and basically he was told, no,

2:03:39 Speaker 5: you're not going to do it this university because this

2:03:42 Speaker 5: is violating the second law of thermodynamics, and blah blah blah.

2:03:46 Speaker 5: You know, in a rational world, which is what you're

2:03:49 Speaker 5: talking about, I would agree with you, But we don't

2:03:52 Speaker 5: live in a rational world. We live in a world

2:03:54 Speaker 5: where there are a lot of emotions and power, hierarchies

2:03:57 Speaker 5: and all kinds of dysfunctions, and so you have to

2:04:01 Speaker 5: factor that into the equation. And I don't think you

2:04:04 Speaker 5: can underestimate the reach of the national security state, not

2:04:08 Speaker 5: just here but around the world to put out these fires,

2:04:12 Speaker 5: no matter how many times they try to surface, unless

2:04:15 Speaker 5: it's done in a very large way. And I didn't

2:04:18 Speaker 5: believe that, and I've learned the hard way trying to

2:04:21 Speaker 5: do it in a smaller fashion from this, like the

2:04:25 Speaker 5: story I told you about this the scientist who works

2:04:27 Speaker 5: in a skiff down near the Huntsville Space Flight Center

2:04:31 Speaker 5: Marshall's Space Flight Center in Huntsville. And I think what

2:04:35 Speaker 5: we are going to have to do is organize an

2:04:38 Speaker 5: effort that is very much outside of government and mainstream

2:04:41 Speaker 5: corporations and even academia, because academia, if you have never

2:04:46 Speaker 5: been in it, is so political. I mean, you know,

2:04:50 Speaker 5: you know, you touch these sort of issues and it's

2:04:53 Speaker 5: the end of your career. I'll give you a great story.

2:04:56 Speaker 5: In terms of other institutions, you know, the National Science

2:04:58 Speaker 5: Foundation is a very big player in global warming studies

2:05:02 Speaker 5: and all this kind of stuff. And the deputy director

2:05:05 Speaker 5: of that and doctor Bob Corrill, and I had a

2:05:08 Speaker 5: long meeting with another person who was one of the

2:05:10 Speaker 5: five directors of NASA back some years ago, and you know,

2:05:14 Speaker 5: he was very interesting exactly what you're talking about these

2:05:16 Speaker 5: sciences and studies, And I said, look, we need some

2:05:19 Speaker 5: people at the National Science Foundation to really take this

2:05:23 Speaker 5: on as an area of research, development, funding, etc. He says,

2:05:28 Speaker 5: it'd be the end of my career if I did this.

2:05:31 Speaker 5: I said, well, you know, here, it's the future of

2:05:33 Speaker 5: the Earth or your career. What are you going to choose.

2:05:35 Speaker 5: Let's choose the Earth and our future. But the truth

2:05:39 Speaker 5: is everyone puts their pants on one leg at a time,

2:05:41 Speaker 5: and a lot of folks are not going to jeopardize

2:05:43 Speaker 5: their careers and their income. A very famous astronomer who

2:05:46 Speaker 5: worked with Carl Sagan was at our meetings in nineteen

2:05:50 Speaker 5: ninety seven that we did for Congress, and after he

2:05:53 Speaker 5: did that with us, he was told if he ever

2:05:55 Speaker 5: wanted to be published again, right again, or have a

2:05:58 Speaker 5: career in astronomy, he'd have to leave the issue alone.

2:06:01 Speaker 5: So he was directly threatened, and he begged me to

2:06:05 Speaker 5: keep going forward, but that he couldn't be part of it.

2:06:08 Speaker 5: And so I think that you know, most people don't

2:06:10 Speaker 5: realize that this happens every day and it's kind of

2:06:13 Speaker 5: a miracle that this many military, in corporate and intelligence

2:06:17 Speaker 5: people came together this far. But I won't even begin

2:06:21 Speaker 5: to tell you what we've gone through trying to get

2:06:23 Speaker 5: this far. It's been very difficult. And so for every

2:06:25 Speaker 5: person you hear about and that you see in this

2:06:28 Speaker 5: film series or in the Disclosure Project, there are a

2:06:32 Speaker 5: hundred they wouldn't that have given me the information and

2:06:37 Speaker 5: even documents and intelligence, but they don't want to come

2:06:39 Speaker 5: out and be identified. So there's a lot of fear

2:06:42 Speaker 5: of either reprisals, but also just the ridicule factor.

2:06:46 Speaker 1: You know.

2:06:46 Speaker 5: I have a document from nineteen fifty three from the

2:06:48 Speaker 5: CIA that talked about engaging Disney Studios to make cartoonish

2:06:53 Speaker 5: movies about this issue so that it would be the

2:06:56 Speaker 5: butt of jokes. And this document talks about the psychological

2:06:59 Speaker 5: war fair value of the subject. So you know, people

2:07:03 Speaker 5: are sort of like you know in middle school, where

2:07:05 Speaker 5: you're worried about what are people going to think about

2:07:07 Speaker 5: me if I say I think this is real? Are

2:07:09 Speaker 5: you going to lose credibility if you're a doctor or

2:07:11 Speaker 5: a physicist or an engineer.

2:07:12 Speaker 2: Is all part of Project Blue Book.

2:07:14 Speaker 5: Wasn't that this predated this. This, this actually predated that

2:07:19 Speaker 5: when they were first coming together with how do we

2:07:21 Speaker 5: manage this? Because it's hidden in plain sight, people are

2:07:23 Speaker 5: going to see these objects. There's no way to really

2:07:27 Speaker 5: sanitize it. You know. People think you can really get

2:07:29 Speaker 5: rid of this. Well, you can. If there's a certain

2:07:32 Speaker 5: number of people seeing this all the time, you are

2:07:33 Speaker 5: highly credible. So but if you created a media an

2:07:37 Speaker 5: environment where it's ridiculous and you're considered a kook or

2:07:42 Speaker 5: this or that, if you're identified with it, or you'll

2:07:46 Speaker 5: be you know, Governor Moonbeam or Senator space Cadet or something.

2:07:51 Speaker 5: And this is one of the real problems is that

2:07:55 Speaker 5: the subject has been so ridiculed, and there's so much

2:07:57 Speaker 5: ridiculous stuff out there on the subject that's provably nonsensical

2:08:02 Speaker 5: that credible people really have to swallow hard. I have

2:08:05 Speaker 5: to tell you the scientists that are at this major

2:08:08 Speaker 5: Ivy League university doing the work on this little body,

2:08:12 Speaker 5: this humanoid type body, you know, it's a big, big

2:08:16 Speaker 5: thing for them to be working on this, and it's

2:08:20 Speaker 5: even a bigger thing that they're going to go on

2:08:22 Speaker 5: the record about their findings. When are they going to

2:08:25 Speaker 5: do this and the next well you'll see on April

2:08:28 Speaker 5: twenty second, comes to the premiere.

2:08:30 Speaker 2: I'll come to the premiere.

2:08:30 Speaker 1: But on April twenty second, what if no one has

2:08:34 Speaker 1: made some sort of a public statement. No IVY League scientists, No,

2:08:37 Speaker 1: we're going to so, yes, you're promising. Between now in

2:08:40 Speaker 1: April twenty second, there'll be some sort of.

2:08:41 Speaker 5: A reveal, press releases.

2:08:43 Speaker 1: Major institution scientists of credible history will step forward and say, hey,

2:08:50 Speaker 1: this is this is something.

2:08:52 Speaker 5: We don't know what they're going to say. They're still

2:08:53 Speaker 5: doing the run on the genome.

2:08:55 Speaker 2: Well, it's extraordinary, if it's real, if it's it's if.

2:08:57 Speaker 5: It's okay, let me put that the rest right now.

2:08:59 Speaker 5: You touch it, Yeah, I've touched it. We have the

2:09:03 Speaker 5: cat scans, we have the reports from these top scientists.

2:09:05 Speaker 5: The only thing left that we're doing is running the genome,

2:09:08 Speaker 5: which is the whole genome.

2:09:09 Speaker 1: So that scientists have said that it's absolutely of biological origin.

2:09:13 Speaker 1: That's not it's not like my werewolf.

2:09:15 Speaker 5: No, it's this. We know this, we absolutely know, and

2:09:20 Speaker 5: put that to rest.

2:09:21 Speaker 1: Has this damaged your credibility in life? I mean, have

2:09:24 Speaker 1: you have you suffered because of this? In any ways

2:09:28 Speaker 1: of course, in what way?

2:09:29 Speaker 5: Every way? Yeah, Yeah, it's been the hardest thing. You know,

2:09:32 Speaker 5: I tell people the worst days in the er or

2:09:35 Speaker 5: you know, I held a three year old that died

2:09:36 Speaker 5: in my arms. This has been harder, so you know.

2:09:39 Speaker 2: It's harder than the death of a little baby. Really.

2:09:41 Speaker 1: Yeah.

2:09:42 Speaker 5: The stuff we've had to deal with, like way horrible

2:09:46 Speaker 5: stuff I don't really want to go into. I mean,

2:09:47 Speaker 5: we probably don't have time. But every nasty thing that

2:09:51 Speaker 5: can be done has been done or attempted to be

2:09:54 Speaker 5: done to many of us, and particularly to us my

2:10:00 Speaker 5: family and not my family so much is you know,

2:10:04 Speaker 5: targeting me with the nastiness just unbelievable ridicules and threats,

2:10:12 Speaker 5: threats and yeah.

2:10:13 Speaker 2: People threaten you to what stop talking about UFOs.

2:10:17 Speaker 5: You know, problems that we've had with a lot of

2:10:20 Speaker 5: security problems. I mean, there's an FBI fill over I'll

2:10:22 Speaker 5: open on this because of the death threats and this

2:10:25 Speaker 5: stuff we've had.

2:10:26 Speaker 1: Really and so you think these death threats are from

2:10:29 Speaker 1: these people that you're exposing that are in the cabal

2:10:31 Speaker 1: of this.

2:10:32 Speaker 5: Well, who knows where they're coming from. You could just

2:10:34 Speaker 5: say it was some nut job, like the people who

2:10:36 Speaker 5: shot up the Sikh temple where our director's family as

2:10:40 Speaker 5: you know, yes, his father was murdered horribly at this thing.

2:10:43 Speaker 5: And but you know, I'm just saying that it's a

2:10:46 Speaker 5: lot easier being an emergency doctor than dealing with this

2:10:50 Speaker 5: issue when you know it's real and you're dealing with

2:10:52 Speaker 5: this level of intelligence.

2:10:53 Speaker 2: And has this affected your career, Yeah.

2:10:58 Speaker 5: I've left medicine because I had to. No, I mean,

2:11:01 Speaker 5: but because I had to choose. How I put this,

2:11:05 Speaker 5: you only have twenty four hours in a day, and

2:11:07 Speaker 5: you know, at a certain point, I had to decide

2:11:11 Speaker 5: I'm either going to continue as a physician or I'm

2:11:15 Speaker 5: going to go full steam on this now. Of course,

2:11:18 Speaker 5: it was a big sacrifice for my family, and I

2:11:20 Speaker 5: was giving up hundreds of thousands of dollars a year

2:11:22 Speaker 5: as a doctor to do this for nothing. All right,

2:11:25 Speaker 5: So it's been difficult. So that's what I'm saying. It's

2:11:28 Speaker 5: been difficult in every way. But that's not important. I'm

2:11:30 Speaker 5: not important. It is.

2:11:32 Speaker 1: It is important, and you're that's a it's a tremendous sacrifice,

2:11:36 Speaker 1: especially because it's something that you would truly believe in.

2:11:39 Speaker 1: How do you support yourself now?

2:11:41 Speaker 5: Well, I have enough resourcefulness. Before I left medicine, I

2:11:47 Speaker 5: bought my home, and I'd saved enough and invested enough

2:11:51 Speaker 5: that I'm okay. And then I have a little bit

2:11:54 Speaker 5: of income from some of the books and things. But

2:11:57 Speaker 5: I mean it's very modest compared to you know, what

2:11:59 Speaker 5: I would have been making. You know, I'd probably in

2:12:01 Speaker 5: the aggregate of giving up around somewhere in the neighborhood

2:12:05 Speaker 5: of five to six million dollars in income doing this,

2:12:09 Speaker 5: which I actually don't regret at all, because I don't

2:12:11 Speaker 5: care about the money.

2:12:13 Speaker 1: I care about when people say that I hate when

2:12:15 Speaker 1: people say that.

2:12:16 Speaker 5: No, I really don't. I mean, this is why you

2:12:17 Speaker 5: know now this you will probably strain credulity here. But

2:12:21 Speaker 5: former head of Army Intelligence approached me in nineteen ninety

2:12:25 Speaker 5: two and offered me the kind of control over a

2:12:31 Speaker 5: two billion dollar fund if I would shut up and

2:12:34 Speaker 5: close down the disclosure project and see SETI.

2:12:37 Speaker 1: Control over a two billion dollar fund. What what did

2:12:42 Speaker 1: he want you to do?

2:12:42 Speaker 5: He just basically want I could do anything with it

2:12:45 Speaker 5: so long as I would shut.

2:12:47 Speaker 2: You could just go big pimpin giant yacht Ferrari. Who

2:12:51 Speaker 2: knows no no more.

2:12:52 Speaker 5: Doctor greer, and then you know what, I said, No,

2:12:53 Speaker 5: I'm not going to do that because I really believe

2:12:56 Speaker 5: that this issue needs to be dealt with. Probably probably

2:12:59 Speaker 5: the guy went to my wife and tried to convince

2:13:01 Speaker 5: her to convince me. And this, you know, this is

2:13:03 Speaker 5: a kind of not.

2:13:04 Speaker 2: Did he want you to work for him or he

2:13:06 Speaker 2: just wanted you to show up.

2:13:07 Speaker 5: He wanted me to merge what we were doing with

2:13:09 Speaker 5: some operation he had which would have basically subsumed it

2:13:12 Speaker 5: and co opted it. And I said no. And then

2:13:16 Speaker 5: he made another run and I said no. And then

2:13:19 Speaker 5: about a month after that, all over the internet it

2:13:21 Speaker 5: came out that I wasn't even a doctor. Here I

2:13:23 Speaker 5: am in this emergency department, and there's a bunch of

2:13:26 Speaker 5: goons went out there that I'm not even an actual MD.

2:13:29 Speaker 5: And I'm there, you know, up to my eyeballs and

2:13:31 Speaker 5: blood and guts in the er and this thing breaks. So,

2:13:34 Speaker 5: you know, they do all kinds of disinformation and psychological

2:13:38 Speaker 5: warfare stuff on people. But I don't really mind that

2:13:42 Speaker 5: that's happened. What I'm more concerned about is the people

2:13:46 Speaker 5: who have the knowledge and responsibility who don't do the

2:13:49 Speaker 5: right thing. Because there's no way that I can do

2:13:52 Speaker 5: this by myself. And what I was really gratified to see,

2:13:55 Speaker 5: and I'm still gratified to see, is you or all

2:13:59 Speaker 5: these people military men and women and others who come

2:14:02 Speaker 5: forward very courageously, academics like the ones doing the work

2:14:07 Speaker 5: on this potential little humanoid creature, which is a real creature.

2:14:11 Speaker 5: Whether it's what it is, we don't know, but they

2:14:14 Speaker 5: it's really a courageous thing for these people to be

2:14:16 Speaker 5: doing that. The people who led the charge in France

2:14:20 Speaker 5: to release all those documents I know the backstory to

2:14:23 Speaker 5: that that the public doesn't know, and there were it

2:14:26 Speaker 5: was very controversial. So I mean, this is the kind

2:14:30 Speaker 5: of courage we need to get the truth out and

2:14:33 Speaker 5: to go forward as a civilization. And so, you know,

2:14:37 Speaker 5: you can't buy it, You got to have it, You

2:14:38 Speaker 5: got to manifest it from inside.

2:14:40 Speaker 1: Are you getting income from this? No, you don't get

2:14:44 Speaker 1: any income from this.

2:14:45 Speaker 5: Now, this is you know, and you know what's beautiful

2:14:47 Speaker 5: about Serious the movie is that it was all crowdfunded.

2:14:52 Speaker 5: No one on my team has taken any funds from

2:14:54 Speaker 5: It's all gone into the production of the movie.

2:14:56 Speaker 2: You don't even take a salary.

2:14:57 Speaker 5: No, oh, no, No, it's all gone into.

2:15:00 Speaker 1: But you list expenses, like don't you list like several hundred,

2:15:04 Speaker 1: two hundred and seventy thousand dollars or something and expenses

2:15:07 Speaker 1: that you charge to create this film.

2:15:11 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, but that's the production company, you know, because

2:15:13 Speaker 5: I'm not a filmmaker and I don't ask me to

2:15:16 Speaker 5: turn on can we.

2:15:17 Speaker 2: Have to this production company?

2:15:19 Speaker 5: And then of course we're going to uh, you know,

2:15:21 Speaker 5: we have to organize the premiere. And of course, being crowdfunded,

2:15:24 Speaker 5: you have to fulfill all the incentives for the crowdfunding.

2:15:26 Speaker 5: I don't know if you know crowdfunding. Yeah, but I

2:15:28 Speaker 5: want to thank everyone who's listening, by the way.

2:15:30 Speaker 1: To.

2:15:32 Speaker 5: Kickstarter and then our own private program and you know,

2:15:35 Speaker 5: we have like four thousand people who have contributed funds

2:15:38 Speaker 5: to this, which is really a huge number of folks.

2:15:40 Speaker 5: And and by the way, all of you folks who've

2:15:43 Speaker 5: done that, I just want to can I say this?

2:15:45 Speaker 5: The premiere is going to be here in Los Angeles

2:15:48 Speaker 5: on Earth Day, April twenty second at the La Live,

2:15:52 Speaker 5: the Regal LA Live Cinemas downtown, the Premiere Theater. And

2:15:57 Speaker 5: so that's April twenty second. If you want to come.

2:15:59 Speaker 5: You can kind of sign up and get tickets at

2:16:01 Speaker 5: serious disclosure dot com.

2:16:02 Speaker 1: I'm writing that in my calendar right now. I'm gonna

2:16:04 Speaker 1: try to make that. That sounds really fascinating.

2:16:06 Speaker 5: He tweet it for us, and you're invited to come,

2:16:08 Speaker 5: and you'll come as my guest.

2:16:10 Speaker 1: I'll tweet I'd love to have you.

2:16:12 Speaker 5: As my guests if you want, I would love to go.

2:16:14 Speaker 5: We're gonna have a red carpet and we're gonna invite

2:16:16 Speaker 5: some other you know, people here in Hollywood and in

2:16:19 Speaker 5: the business, and it's gonna be an exciting event. I mean,

2:16:22 Speaker 5: the theater only holds eight hundred and nine people, of

2:16:24 Speaker 5: which about half of those seats already spoken for. But

2:16:28 Speaker 5: but you know, those of you want to come, you know,

2:16:30 Speaker 5: just hop online and you know the system is set

2:16:33 Speaker 5: up so you can do it all digitally. You know,

2:16:35 Speaker 5: it's not gonna meet tickets at the door. Though.

2:16:37 Speaker 1: Okay, what is this thing that you're doing where you

2:16:40 Speaker 1: lead people out into the desert and you have them

2:16:45 Speaker 1: make contact with something ethereal crafts and beings and what what?

2:16:51 Speaker 2: What is that?

2:16:52 Speaker 5: Well, that's the whole CE five concept. I was talking

2:16:54 Speaker 5: about close encounters of the fifth kind that we're using

2:16:56 Speaker 5: these different protocols. And by the way, there's a there's

2:16:58 Speaker 5: a smartphone and an iPhone app for this that you

2:17:00 Speaker 5: can get at serious disclosure dot com. So it has

2:17:03 Speaker 5: all the it'll actually turn your phone into a magnetometer.

2:17:07 Speaker 5: It has the tones that were recorded in this crop

2:17:09 Speaker 5: circle of this weird energy that came into the crops

2:17:12 Speaker 5: Or can.

2:17:12 Speaker 2: Get this on my phone right now?

2:17:13 Speaker 5: Yes, you can. It's called the Contact app. It's and

2:17:18 Speaker 5: it's at it's at you can go to the serious

2:17:21 Speaker 5: disclosure dot com and there's an icon there and you

2:17:24 Speaker 5: can link and it goes to either the iTunes store

2:17:28 Speaker 5: or the Android store.

2:17:30 Speaker 1: Okay, and tell me what happens when you take these?

2:17:33 Speaker 1: You'll take anyone out there? Do they have to go

2:17:35 Speaker 1: through a screening process?

2:17:36 Speaker 5: Yeah, there's Apple. I mean, it's of course, it's a

2:17:38 Speaker 5: We do about a week training of people and remote

2:17:42 Speaker 5: viewing and the protocols of contact and uh, there's sort

2:17:46 Speaker 5: of the whole concept of it, but also how to

2:17:49 Speaker 5: look at the night sky. You go out with satellite charts,

2:17:51 Speaker 5: we have fourth generation night scopes, we have really good

2:17:54 Speaker 5: cameras and you know, in fact, we're going to be

2:17:58 Speaker 5: doing one in Colorado in June in the high desert.

2:18:01 Speaker 5: I have some land up there.

2:18:03 Speaker 1: What is the actual name of this app? Because there's

2:18:05 Speaker 1: a couple of contact apps.

2:18:07 Speaker 5: Well, again, you have to go to serious disclosure dot

2:18:09 Speaker 5: com and there's a link there for it. You know

2:18:11 Speaker 5: the name of them, of your own app?

2:18:15 Speaker 1: You know what, I have so.

2:18:16 Speaker 5: Many irons in the fire. I think it's called et

2:18:19 Speaker 5: contact app.

2:18:19 Speaker 1: Oh, but t contact. Let me try that contact app.

2:18:23 Speaker 1: So and explain to me what what happens here? You

2:18:25 Speaker 1: have a course and in this course, what do these

2:18:28 Speaker 1: people do?

2:18:30 Speaker 5: The idea is that we want to teach them.

2:18:33 Speaker 1: That's your your signal, Yeah, that is that is so

2:18:38 Speaker 1: I just bought your app powerful, Okay, So explain to

2:18:41 Speaker 1: me where would someone sign up for something like this?

2:18:45 Speaker 5: Yeah, And we do these expeditions a few times a year.

2:18:49 Speaker 5: I used to there are only about twenty people who

2:18:52 Speaker 5: are who are allowed to.

2:18:54 Speaker 2: Come now twenty at a time because.

2:18:56 Speaker 5: I can't handle more than that for a week out

2:18:58 Speaker 5: in the desert or out in the mountains. But and

2:19:01 Speaker 5: I just don't have time to do it more often

2:19:03 Speaker 5: than the four or five times a.

2:19:04 Speaker 1: Year that we do.

2:19:05 Speaker 2: So you especially do it quarterly.

2:19:08 Speaker 5: Well yeah, this seasonally, but the schedule is up at

2:19:11 Speaker 5: serious disclosure dot com.

2:19:12 Speaker 2: Where's the place where do you bring these people?

2:19:14 Speaker 5: It just depends. I mean, like we're the next one's

2:19:16 Speaker 5: going to be in the high desert of Colorado at

2:19:18 Speaker 5: about eight thousand feet. It's a remote here into the

2:19:20 Speaker 5: Great Sand Dunes that's had a lot of reports of

2:19:23 Speaker 5: UFOs and contact. In fact, the film director and his

2:19:25 Speaker 5: crew were out there last June a few months ago

2:19:28 Speaker 5: in twenty twelve, when we had this disc fly over

2:19:31 Speaker 5: and then a jet came in to intercept it, and

2:19:32 Speaker 5: just that's going to be in the film. It's really cool.

2:19:35 Speaker 1: You have a video of that or a photo of

2:19:36 Speaker 1: that both really so you have a video of this

2:19:40 Speaker 1: disc in the sky and then a jet approaching the

2:19:42 Speaker 1: disc out.

2:19:43 Speaker 5: Probably coming out of Colorado Spring so as it's coming

2:19:45 Speaker 5: out of that direction. But yeah, it was. It's really

2:19:47 Speaker 5: pretty cool. And of course I think when when the

2:19:49 Speaker 5: director saw this, he went wow.

2:19:51 Speaker 2: And who put this video together? Who made it, who

2:19:53 Speaker 2: filmed it?

2:19:55 Speaker 5: The film crew, the forst serious.

2:19:57 Speaker 2: So you wow, so you know they have.

2:20:02 Speaker 1: This, you like, we don't want to make sure that

2:20:04 Speaker 1: it was real clear of this. You have thousands of

2:20:06 Speaker 1: these videos.

2:20:07 Speaker 5: Well there's one. Yeah, if you go again to this website,

2:20:09 Speaker 5: you'll see that there's a section for the the Contact

2:20:13 Speaker 5: Expeditions and the C five Expeditions. And a couple of

2:20:16 Speaker 5: years ago we were up on there's a mountain north

2:20:18 Speaker 5: of here called Mount Shasta near the Oregon border in

2:20:22 Speaker 5: the Cascade Range, and it's a volcanic mountain and we've

2:20:24 Speaker 5: gone up there a number of years and we've had

2:20:26 Speaker 5: these objects that have appeared and one of them was

2:20:30 Speaker 5: actually in the field. We had their night vision camera

2:20:33 Speaker 5: running and it lifted up and does this and then

2:20:36 Speaker 5: there's like this quirkscrew and de materialize in the sky.

2:20:39 Speaker 5: We have this own videotape and it was during one

2:20:41 Speaker 5: of these expeditions, and it's a really amazing bit of video.

2:20:45 Speaker 2: Is ball lightning a real phenomenon?

2:20:48 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, sure sure? And that's not that this is

2:20:50 Speaker 5: clear skies, no whether but coming up from the grounde.

2:20:54 Speaker 1: But don't they But doesn't ball lightning have something to

2:20:57 Speaker 1: do with there's there's certain types of visual phenomenon that

2:21:01 Speaker 1: have to do with tectonic plates and pressure and stress.

2:21:05 Speaker 5: Piece of electric Yeah, what is now? Well, that's very different. Also,

2:21:07 Speaker 5: that'll be just sort of a discharge, like an electrical discharge,

2:21:10 Speaker 5: see it, And that's from the rocks. And usually it's

2:21:12 Speaker 5: when there's quartz, the pressure of it and electromagnetic energy

2:21:15 Speaker 5: will build up and it'll burst out. But you know,

2:21:18 Speaker 5: this is an object and you can see it quite clearly,

2:21:20 Speaker 5: and it's a it's right at the edge of the

2:21:22 Speaker 5: speed of light because it's kind of coming in and

2:21:23 Speaker 5: out of this dimension. It's a really great video and

2:21:26 Speaker 5: there were like thirty forty people who saw this happen.

2:21:29 Speaker 5: So we do this. I've been doing this for twenty

2:21:32 Speaker 5: two years. And what people, what are you showing up there? Brian?

2:21:36 Speaker 1: What is that?

2:21:37 Speaker 5: It was one of these objects that came over. I

2:21:38 Speaker 5: think that was at Melchester. I'm not sure. It's my

2:21:41 Speaker 5: laser and it's this object that came right over. And

2:21:43 Speaker 5: you know, we also train people that always go out

2:21:45 Speaker 5: with satellite charts, know what you know, so you know

2:21:48 Speaker 5: when the satellite this.

2:21:49 Speaker 1: Is your footage of this thing flying in the sky. Yep, whoa,

2:21:53 Speaker 1: And that's your laser.

2:21:55 Speaker 5: That's why I have a big you know, it's one

2:21:56 Speaker 5: of these.

2:21:57 Speaker 1: I got one of those.

2:21:58 Speaker 5: Yeah, it'll go, it'll go one hundred two hundred miles

2:22:00 Speaker 5: in the space.

2:22:03 Speaker 1: Now, when you were filming this, are you trying to

2:22:05 Speaker 1: contact them? Like?

2:22:06 Speaker 2: What are you trying?

2:22:07 Speaker 5: We had so we do the protocols where you do

2:22:08 Speaker 5: the remote viewing, set up the vector to show them

2:22:11 Speaker 5: where you are. We play these electronic tones in the

2:22:14 Speaker 5: space and then have electronic field detectors out there. So

2:22:17 Speaker 5: we'll have magnetic field detectors, various laser detectors, other electromagnetic

2:22:23 Speaker 5: spectrum and those will begin to go off, and then

2:22:26 Speaker 5: we'll have an object fly over like this object here

2:22:28 Speaker 5: that was right neuros. It comes right outside. So what

2:22:31 Speaker 5: people have to understand is that if you have an

2:22:35 Speaker 5: object that is coming in and out of dimensions, it's

2:22:41 Speaker 5: not going to necessarily look like a seven forty seven

2:22:43 Speaker 5: or even a flying saucer. It's going to be in

2:22:45 Speaker 5: various energy forms. And this is the weird sort of effect.

2:22:50 Speaker 5: Most people don't understand that ninety nine percent of the time,

2:22:54 Speaker 5: an interstellar civilization doesn't have to be in linear space

2:22:57 Speaker 5: time if they have that kind of physics. So what

2:22:59 Speaker 5: happens when you go beyond the speed of light? All right,

2:23:02 Speaker 5: You're going to not have anything visible. But if you

2:23:04 Speaker 5: begin to have an energy discharge into an area of

2:23:07 Speaker 5: space and it's very close to this dimension, it'll start

2:23:10 Speaker 5: to give off an energy field our corona. And so

2:23:14 Speaker 5: one of the witnesses we have was at a nuclear

2:23:17 Speaker 5: hot base out in Oklahoma back years ago, I think

2:23:20 Speaker 5: it was in the seventies, and there was this object

2:23:23 Speaker 5: that was in the shape of UFO, but it wasn't solid,

2:23:25 Speaker 5: and it flew over the what they call the hot

2:23:27 Speaker 5: you know, where the jets were hot loaded with nuclear weapons,

2:23:29 Speaker 5: and the alarms went off. He says, this thing was

2:23:32 Speaker 5: not solid like this is like aeric rock, salt. It

2:23:36 Speaker 5: was you could have walked right through it, but it

2:23:39 Speaker 5: was in the shape of a craft, but it was

2:23:42 Speaker 5: shifted so that the matter was all energy, and of

2:23:45 Speaker 5: course matter is energy. So the physics behind this gets

2:23:48 Speaker 5: into some really arcane stuff, probably beyond the scope of

2:23:51 Speaker 5: the show, but it's what I this is part of

2:23:54 Speaker 5: what we're teaching people when we take them out, is

2:23:57 Speaker 5: how do these objects appear? What might you see? And

2:24:01 Speaker 5: I was talking to an actor here in town who

2:24:04 Speaker 5: had one of these happened near his home, and it

2:24:08 Speaker 5: was very palpable, very real but it wasn't well, no,

2:24:16 Speaker 5: there are no but he you know, these are there

2:24:18 Speaker 5: are a lot of people who've had these sort of experiences.

2:24:20 Speaker 5: They don't want to talk about it because they're afraid

2:24:23 Speaker 5: of you know, being rodokuled. And and but you know,

2:24:28 Speaker 5: when it was described to me, I said, oh, yeah,

2:24:29 Speaker 5: that's classic. Really, I said yeah, because if it's if

2:24:33 Speaker 5: it's not a Lucky Martin, you know, anti gravity, and

2:24:38 Speaker 5: it's really is et. The weirder it is, the more

2:24:41 Speaker 5: likely it is to be ET. And this gets into

2:24:44 Speaker 5: the whole question what are you looking for? So we

2:24:46 Speaker 5: trained people to know kind of what to look for

2:24:49 Speaker 5: versus you know, if experimental aircraft, normal aircraft, you know,

2:24:54 Speaker 5: space objects and junk satellites, and then the stuff that's

2:24:58 Speaker 5: the weird end of it. So the weird end of it, Yeah,

2:25:01 Speaker 5: really cool stuff.

2:25:03 Speaker 2: Really cool stuff.

2:25:03 Speaker 1: You take these people, you bring them out to the

2:25:05 Speaker 1: high desert, you tune them into whatever frequency through whatever

2:25:09 Speaker 1: methods of meditation or what have you. And these ships

2:25:13 Speaker 1: are they just waiting for someone to like email them,

2:25:16 Speaker 1: to send them a signal?

2:25:18 Speaker 5: You know what? I think I think that they've actually

2:25:20 Speaker 5: been waiting a long time for people to do something

2:25:23 Speaker 5: besides just passively look at them?

2:25:25 Speaker 1: Do they have to be what I'm saying is, do

2:25:27 Speaker 1: they have to like load up the ship? Hey, we

2:25:29 Speaker 1: got some fucking people in the desert. Everybody get on board,

2:25:33 Speaker 1: let's go.

2:25:33 Speaker 2: Let's go.

2:25:34 Speaker 1: Then how are you getting them to manifest?

2:25:37 Speaker 5: I'm not getting them too, But how is.

2:25:38 Speaker 1: Anybody getting how? How how is this signal being recognized

2:25:42 Speaker 1: by them?

2:25:43 Speaker 5: Because I'm quite convinced they have electronics that pick up

2:25:46 Speaker 5: on this what we were talking about earlier, this conscious

2:25:48 Speaker 5: field of coherent thought. And this is again the most

2:25:52 Speaker 5: controversial end of what I'm doing. To me, it's the

2:25:54 Speaker 5: most interesting. Also, you know, before I was a doctor,

2:25:58 Speaker 5: I was a meditation teacher.

2:26:00 Speaker 2: Know that, but I didn't know that was what type

2:26:02 Speaker 2: meditation mantra invadic.

2:26:05 Speaker 5: So I was Vedanta Inveda meditation, and you know, I

2:26:10 Speaker 5: learned Sanskrit and learned to teach people meditation. So that

2:26:16 Speaker 5: was my first sort of career. I even call it

2:26:18 Speaker 5: a career. It was an advocation as much as more

2:26:20 Speaker 5: in a vocation. But and I really and it was

2:26:24 Speaker 5: cause as a result of this near death experience, and

2:26:26 Speaker 5: and I began to realize that really the thing that

2:26:31 Speaker 5: is most intriguing about all this is that free energy

2:26:36 Speaker 5: is like late eighteen hundreds to mid nineteen hundreds, anti

2:26:40 Speaker 5: gravity mid forties to mid fifties. The science of consciousness

2:26:45 Speaker 5: and the interface between mind and matter, mind and body,

2:26:50 Speaker 5: mind and thought and electromagnetic systems. That's the really cool stuff.

2:26:54 Speaker 5: And that's you know, to me, most people know me

2:26:57 Speaker 5: for the Disclosure Project and these other things, But to me,

2:26:59 Speaker 5: that's the most exciting part of this because that is

2:27:01 Speaker 5: the frontier. The final frontier is not space, it's consciousness.

2:27:05 Speaker 1: So you take these people out, there's twenty of them,

2:27:10 Speaker 1: and you spend how many days out there, it's.

2:27:13 Speaker 5: Usually six days and nights, and so we go out

2:27:18 Speaker 5: during the day. It's more a teaching module and teaching

2:27:22 Speaker 5: them remote viewing concepts and science of consciousness other information

2:27:28 Speaker 5: they need to have. Then we go out at n

2:27:30 Speaker 5: usually from around sunset to one or so in the morning,

2:27:33 Speaker 5: sometimes two, and we're out in the stars making observation,

2:27:40 Speaker 5: doing the remote viewing practice, and then people go home

2:27:42 Speaker 5: and do it. There's now something like eleven or twelve

2:27:44 Speaker 5: hundred teams all over the world doing this that are

2:27:47 Speaker 5: picked up on this idea. It's really a phenomenal thing,

2:27:51 Speaker 5: and people are having amazing sightings and experiences all over

2:27:54 Speaker 5: the world. There's a global CE five initiative going on, and.

2:28:00 Speaker 2: You keep saying five fifth kind, which is visual?

2:28:04 Speaker 5: No, what is?

2:28:05 Speaker 1: What is?

2:28:05 Speaker 5: Okay? Let me explain that. I'm sorry. You know we're back.

2:28:07 Speaker 2: I know the movie the third kind.

2:28:09 Speaker 5: Yeah, the Steven Spielberg's movie.

2:28:11 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how I know. Most people are probably like me.

2:28:14 Speaker 2: They okay.

2:28:14 Speaker 5: And the fourth kind is when when someone feels they've

2:28:17 Speaker 5: had contact and been on board. The fifth kind is

2:28:20 Speaker 5: a term that I launched in the concept of in

2:28:25 Speaker 5: nineteen ninety, which is when humans instead of passively having

2:28:29 Speaker 5: so all those others. Close encounters of the first, second, third,

2:28:31 Speaker 5: and fourth kind are passive because you're sort of either

2:28:34 Speaker 5: seeing it or it's a landing thing or what have you.

2:28:36 Speaker 5: A closing encounter of the fifth kind is when a

2:28:38 Speaker 5: human does something interactive, so it's like, you know, it's

2:28:42 Speaker 5: like the Internet versus something passive, or where you're you're

2:28:45 Speaker 5: actually making contact and inviting these civilizations to appear and

2:28:50 Speaker 5: make contact for a diplomatic purpose or where they interact

2:28:55 Speaker 5: and doctor Haynes at NASA aims put together a great

2:29:00 Speaker 5: book based on my initial research on this, called Close

2:29:03 Speaker 5: Encounters of the Fifth Kind CE five, where he collected cases.

2:29:08 Speaker 5: We both collected cases. But he published this book some

2:29:11 Speaker 5: years ago about all these people who had done this,

2:29:16 Speaker 5: and some of them were quite incidental. For example, a

2:29:18 Speaker 5: craft is there and the person sees it and instead

2:29:21 Speaker 5: of just gaping, they actually signal to it with say

2:29:25 Speaker 5: a light, and it signals back and comes over. The

2:29:27 Speaker 5: more interesting ones are the ones I discovered that which

2:29:29 Speaker 5: is what happened to me when I was eighteen, where

2:29:32 Speaker 5: you see a craft and you just think, moved to

2:29:34 Speaker 5: the left, and moves to the left, moved to the right,

2:29:36 Speaker 5: moved to the right, and they're showing you that there's

2:29:39 Speaker 5: a link up between intent and thought and their electronics.

2:29:43 Speaker 5: And that's the really cool stuff.

2:29:45 Speaker 1: Have you ever read any young Carl Young?

2:29:47 Speaker 5: Yes?

2:29:47 Speaker 2: What do you think on Carl?

2:29:49 Speaker 1: He wrote a whole book on the physical manifestation of

2:29:52 Speaker 1: UFOs through the conscious thought.

2:29:55 Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I mean the world is as you are

2:29:58 Speaker 5: and depends on the level of consciousness of the person

2:30:01 Speaker 5: reading what he wrote. I think that a lot of

2:30:05 Speaker 5: people say, well, that means that you're everything is being

2:30:07 Speaker 5: manifested by your mind. Well, but in a sense, all

2:30:10 Speaker 5: of reality is one conscious thought, if you want to

2:30:13 Speaker 5: get back into the whole all this is that concept

2:30:16 Speaker 5: of the Vedic. But I think these are things when

2:30:21 Speaker 5: you have thirty or forty people see it and it's interactive,

2:30:26 Speaker 5: you know, that's a close encounter of the fifth kind.

2:30:28 Speaker 5: So it's not your imagination doing that particular when you

2:30:31 Speaker 5: didn't get video.

2:30:32 Speaker 1: And I don't even think he was necessarily saying it's

2:30:34 Speaker 1: your imagination, no, no, but he was.

2:30:36 Speaker 5: You know, a lot of people don't understand what he

2:30:38 Speaker 5: was saying, and I think that he was really talking

2:30:40 Speaker 5: about some of a deeper aspect of what is mind?

2:30:43 Speaker 1: Right, what is mind's mind? What effect does consciousness have

2:30:46 Speaker 1: on physical matter?

2:30:47 Speaker 2: Right?

2:30:47 Speaker 1: That's huge, yeah, and huge, And in a sense he

2:30:50 Speaker 1: could have almost been validating it without totally understanding the

2:30:53 Speaker 1: possibilities of contacting something and making the right thing.

2:30:57 Speaker 2: I agree, I agree you.

2:30:59 Speaker 1: You seem to be convinced of and in fact teach

2:31:02 Speaker 1: people to do it. I think that if you've got

2:31:03 Speaker 1: something like that, how is this not like on twenty

2:31:06 Speaker 1: twenty or whatever those stupid news shows are, How are

2:31:10 Speaker 1: you not going out there.

2:31:12 Speaker 2: Would you be willing to do that with a film crew?

2:31:14 Speaker 5: Oh, we did with CBS with them Dan Rather had

2:31:16 Speaker 5: a show back years ago, what was it called? We

2:31:19 Speaker 5: went down to Mexico and Popo and we did this

2:31:21 Speaker 5: and a craft came up by the volcano Flu and

2:31:25 Speaker 5: they were filming this with professional stuff, and they ended

2:31:28 Speaker 5: up completely debunking it. And even though the camera guy

2:31:31 Speaker 5: and the reporter who was there with me said, anyone

2:31:35 Speaker 5: who sees this will know this is real, and CBS

2:31:38 Speaker 5: sanitized it. And when I then said, look, you agreed

2:31:41 Speaker 5: in writing that any footage you get you would share

2:31:43 Speaker 5: with us if we did this expedition, because we did

2:31:45 Speaker 5: it on our own expense, the person in charge there said,

2:31:49 Speaker 5: we're CBS and we're part of a corporation as Billions,

2:31:52 Speaker 5: and we'll fight you forever. You'll never get this one.

2:31:55 Speaker 1: Why would you need CBS though it seems like you'd

2:31:57 Speaker 1: be able to film something like that yourself and really

2:32:00 Speaker 1: high quality.

2:32:00 Speaker 2: You don't need their footage?

2:32:01 Speaker 5: Well, we do, I mean we have a certain amount.

2:32:03 Speaker 5: I don't operate cameras, but we've had volunteers, but we've

2:32:06 Speaker 5: never had professional crews with us. And I mean at

2:32:09 Speaker 5: some point, it'd be nice if we could do this

2:32:11 Speaker 5: and professional.

2:32:12 Speaker 1: I have a crew. I have a new show. It's

2:32:14 Speaker 1: coming out on the Sci Fi Network. It's called Question Everything.

2:32:18 Speaker 1: One of the things, yeah, and one of the things

2:32:20 Speaker 1: we're going to do is we're going to explore things

2:32:23 Speaker 1: like UFOs, bigfoot. I'm going to go to the Pacific

2:32:26 Speaker 1: Northwest and look for bigfoot. But I want to.

2:32:29 Speaker 5: I would let's go, Let's go to that at Comma

2:32:32 Speaker 5: Desert and see if we can find.

2:32:33 Speaker 2: Where to go.

2:32:34 Speaker 1: Let's go, I would, I would would be more than

2:32:36 Speaker 1: happy to go and bring a professional crew and see

2:32:39 Speaker 1: if something like this can happen.

2:32:41 Speaker 2: What kind of success rate do you have in doing this?

2:32:45 Speaker 5: Uh, well, you know, we've never actually gone out where

2:32:48 Speaker 5: there hasn't been some kind of a sighting or event

2:32:50 Speaker 5: happened that have been seen by everyone.

2:32:52 Speaker 2: Really never, so it's one hundred percent.

2:32:54 Speaker 5: Not every night, not all the time, but yet something five.

2:32:57 Speaker 2: Or six day period and these people camping there.

2:33:00 Speaker 5: No, no, no, we don't stay at well, I mean,

2:33:02 Speaker 5: I guess if someone wanted to. We usually stay in

2:33:04 Speaker 5: condos or houses or something in the area. We usually

2:33:06 Speaker 5: go to fairly you know, remote areas, that are quiet.

2:33:13 Speaker 5: It's very hard to find locations where we're not going

2:33:15 Speaker 5: to be intruded upon. And usually when we do this,

2:33:18 Speaker 5: we do have people who intrude and so we try

2:33:21 Speaker 5: to keep it, you know, so that the group can

2:33:23 Speaker 5: be coherent, because the whole concept of this is coherent

2:33:26 Speaker 5: thought and coherent mind, and that's you know, very difficult

2:33:31 Speaker 5: to do when you're being disrupted by a lot of folks.

2:33:33 Speaker 1: Now, what if you pick twenty people to go, and

2:33:36 Speaker 1: how do you know that someone's not alone?

2:33:38 Speaker 2: You take some crack poducts.

2:33:40 Speaker 5: Oh, well, there have been you know. No, Usually the people,

2:33:42 Speaker 5: you know, we have an application process and I you know,

2:33:46 Speaker 5: i'd say ninety nine percent of the time, they're just

2:33:48 Speaker 5: wonderful people and you know, they're very sincerely interested in

2:33:52 Speaker 5: learning about this. And I think the science a consciousness

2:33:57 Speaker 5: component of the whole what you called the high strangeness

2:34:01 Speaker 5: part of UFO encounters. It becomes very compelling for people

2:34:06 Speaker 5: who've had contact and understand that when you go beyond

2:34:09 Speaker 5: the speed of light between star systems, you're dealing with

2:34:13 Speaker 5: something that's way beyond your cell phone and a Ford

2:34:18 Speaker 5: explorer and people who get that, who get out of

2:34:22 Speaker 5: the linear box and begin to look at that and

2:34:24 Speaker 5: then begin to experiment with a lot of the people

2:34:26 Speaker 5: who come on these or people who have gotten the

2:34:29 Speaker 5: app or learned about it, and they try it, try

2:34:31 Speaker 5: this at home, and they have an amazing sighting and

2:34:34 Speaker 5: encounter with a small group of people or a family,

2:34:37 Speaker 5: and then they want to come and try and do

2:34:38 Speaker 5: it more. So it's an excite to me. That's the

2:34:45 Speaker 5: next phase of all this is disclosure, bring out the

2:34:48 Speaker 5: energy and technologies. But then it's about the public understanding

2:34:51 Speaker 5: that why doesn't everyone just go out under the star

2:34:54 Speaker 5: instead of sitting and looking at television and try some experiments,

2:34:58 Speaker 5: experiment with fought and mind and light and tone.

2:35:02 Speaker 1: And besides kinds of it floating in space? Haven't you

2:35:06 Speaker 1: encountered things that are in closer proximity.

2:35:10 Speaker 2: To the ground?

2:35:11 Speaker 5: Oh yeah? And some very odd photographs of what you

2:35:16 Speaker 5: might call transdimensional images that looked like almost like a

2:35:20 Speaker 5: hologram of a being that floated right outside of our

2:35:23 Speaker 5: circle at Joshua Tree National Park too far from here,

2:35:27 Speaker 5: back a few years above.

2:35:28 Speaker 2: The photos of this thing yep, yep, where can someone

2:35:31 Speaker 2: see that?

2:35:31 Speaker 5: As on the website serious disclosure dot Com, if you

2:35:33 Speaker 5: link to the CE five part of it, there's a

2:35:36 Speaker 5: whole section of this strange luminous thing, and you know

2:35:42 Speaker 5: the photograph of that. It was a three or four

2:35:44 Speaker 5: second exposure. And what was seen right before this happened,

2:35:47 Speaker 5: which is really important for people to understand, was something

2:35:49 Speaker 5: about half the size of the about the size of

2:35:51 Speaker 5: my fist.

2:35:52 Speaker 1: Are a little bigger.

2:35:53 Speaker 5: It was like a sphere that floated over the desert

2:35:57 Speaker 5: and November of nine and several people saw it, and

2:36:02 Speaker 5: then we heard what sounded like a group of people talking.

2:36:06 Speaker 5: But with our nights, goot, there's nothing there. And then

2:36:09 Speaker 5: so a woman on my team took her camera and

2:36:13 Speaker 5: just had a three or four second exposure, took a photograph,

2:36:16 Speaker 5: and in that area where this had happened, there was

2:36:19 Speaker 5: this beam that.

2:36:21 Speaker 2: Was and did you see this with your eyes? Or

2:36:25 Speaker 2: is just no?

2:36:25 Speaker 5: Because this would have been in a flash, but it's

2:36:28 Speaker 5: in the digital.

2:36:29 Speaker 2: Is it possible that it's just an artifact.

2:36:30 Speaker 5: No, it's not an artifact. Absolutely not.

2:36:32 Speaker 1: Why is it not possible? I mean, flashes always produce

2:36:35 Speaker 1: artifacts that.

2:36:35 Speaker 5: Produced No, no, no, no, she did not use a flash.

2:36:39 Speaker 5: Oh it was visible. The flash was so in other words,

2:36:42 Speaker 5: this was no flashball. No, we don't allow flash photography

2:36:46 Speaker 5: when we're out. You got to have good night scotes.

2:36:48 Speaker 5: You have to have good cameras. You can adjust the ISO,

2:36:50 Speaker 5: the and the aperture and all that. Campfires, no, we

2:36:54 Speaker 5: never have campfires. There's a complete darkness. The most you're

2:36:59 Speaker 5: gonna see we're out there is maybe an LED on

2:37:01 Speaker 5: a camera.

2:37:03 Speaker 1: So, whatever this thing was, we know what it was.

2:37:06 Speaker 1: You think it was very confident about what it was.

2:37:10 Speaker 1: Have you ever been aboard a spaceship.

2:37:14 Speaker 5: Well, you know, I've had some really amazing contact experiences

2:37:19 Speaker 5: that are classic and they you know, I had one

2:37:24 Speaker 5: when I was having this eight when I was eighteen

2:37:29 Speaker 5: years old, up on this mountain, up and and it

2:37:34 Speaker 5: was it wasn't at all what you hear about in

2:37:37 Speaker 5: the literature, because it was more in this transdimensional element area.

2:37:42 Speaker 5: And that becomes the whole question is what part of

2:37:45 Speaker 5: what people are reporting is real and what part is

2:37:49 Speaker 5: memory X And this is something we haven't talked about yet,

2:37:52 Speaker 5: but what is the capacity for the intelligence community to

2:37:55 Speaker 5: hoax contact?

2:37:57 Speaker 1: And it's substantial, really, you think a lot of people

2:38:02 Speaker 1: they're hoaxing content.

2:38:04 Speaker 5: Yeah, for scaring the hell out of people like in

2:38:06 Speaker 5: what how do they do that? One of the things

2:38:10 Speaker 5: we learned about a number of years ago is actually

2:38:12 Speaker 5: not something I discovered. It was a man here who

2:38:15 Speaker 5: was looking into what are called military related abductions that

2:38:21 Speaker 5: are made to look ETEP it aren't. And you get

2:38:24 Speaker 5: into this whole question of what are they able to

2:38:26 Speaker 5: stage craft too for its psychological warfare value. And I

2:38:30 Speaker 5: have a document that's actually going to be in the film,

2:38:32 Speaker 5: and it's from the Strategic Studies Institute talking about the

2:38:36 Speaker 5: staging of abductions and other scary things to create fear

2:38:40 Speaker 5: around the UFO issues.

2:38:41 Speaker 1: So they create an artificial spacecraft and abduct people use.

2:38:45 Speaker 5: They may use what's called an ARB, an alien reproduction

2:38:48 Speaker 5: vehicle that's man made. They may use robotic things that

2:38:51 Speaker 5: are called plfs, program life forms that are man made

2:38:55 Speaker 5: but look.

2:38:55 Speaker 2: Very programmed life forms plfs they have.

2:38:59 Speaker 1: They have life forms that that are like robots essentially

2:39:03 Speaker 1: that move around like people.

2:39:05 Speaker 5: Uh. There are reports of that, and in fact reports

2:39:09 Speaker 5: of that, and I think there is if you believe that. Though,

2:39:12 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I think stan Romanek, if you look at

2:39:14 Speaker 5: the photograph he had of this thing, I think he

2:39:18 Speaker 5: was on Larry King or in some other shows, and

2:39:20 Speaker 5: this thing boo that goes up and down. He's had

2:39:22 Speaker 5: a photo and then there's a video that he hasn't released,

2:39:25 Speaker 5: but I've seen it, you know, other people have seen it,

2:39:27 Speaker 5: and it's this very robotic looking it looks like a

2:39:30 Speaker 5: quote alien, but we know it isn't. I mean, so

2:39:33 Speaker 5: you know, the question is why would they want to

2:39:35 Speaker 5: do something like that. I think, if you can put

2:39:37 Speaker 5: enough information out there to scare scare people, why not

2:39:41 Speaker 5: scare Well.

2:39:41 Speaker 1: It seems to me though, that look that the highest

2:39:44 Speaker 1: level robotics experts in the world today are pretty open

2:39:48 Speaker 1: about their work because they're they're they're showing I mean,

2:39:51 Speaker 1: they're they're they're they're showing periodic improvements in the general public.

2:39:55 Speaker 1: Like the DARPA robots what they're doing in Japan. No

2:39:58 Speaker 1: no one has come any work close to doing something

2:40:01 Speaker 1: along those lines. Not only that they all have an

2:40:04 Speaker 1: external power source.

2:40:05 Speaker 5: Well, but you're assuming that the things that you know

2:40:08 Speaker 5: about are all that they're in existence. But it's like

2:40:12 Speaker 5: saying that because you haven't flown on one of the

2:40:16 Speaker 5: Lockheat's or Northrop's anti gravity devices. They don't have those either.

2:40:20 Speaker 5: I think that they have those. Yes, they one hundred

2:40:23 Speaker 5: percent yes, and been rich all but said so you

2:40:26 Speaker 5: know who's the head of the Lockey Skunkworks. So these

2:40:29 Speaker 5: are a lot of the things that people will see

2:40:31 Speaker 5: out near the Knells Range or so called Area fifty one,

2:40:35 Speaker 5: that are moving in these ways we were talking about earlier.

2:40:38 Speaker 5: Those are man made. There's r et and if you

2:40:40 Speaker 5: go all the way back to the forties in Germany

2:40:45 Speaker 5: during World War two and after, they were doing a

2:40:47 Speaker 5: lot of experiments with things that do electromagnetic lifter effect,

2:40:53 Speaker 5: and going back a little further you look at Tee

2:40:56 Speaker 5: Townsend Brown in nineteen late nineteen twenties, and then also

2:41:00 Speaker 5: the Klosky frost experiment where they actually were able to

2:41:03 Speaker 5: create this effect of levitation and movement. So you know,

2:41:06 Speaker 5: again there's a whole science here. And in the open

2:41:09 Speaker 5: aerospace literature in the late forties and early fifties they

2:41:13 Speaker 5: were saying the next big thing is gravity control and

2:41:15 Speaker 5: anti gravity stuff, and dah, da da da dah, and

2:41:17 Speaker 5: then it went all went black. You can't find it.

2:41:20 Speaker 5: And one of the guys that I've worked with at

2:41:22 Speaker 5: the Naval Research Labs, which is the largest Department Defense

2:41:26 Speaker 5: Lab told me that it was October fifty four when

2:41:29 Speaker 5: we really mastered gravity control and all those projects went black.

2:41:33 Speaker 5: They just disappeared. But up until then you can go

2:41:36 Speaker 5: back and find and there were in the literature. Now,

2:41:40 Speaker 5: the fact that your average person at MIT don't know

2:41:43 Speaker 5: about this doesn't mean it didn't exist. And I think

2:41:45 Speaker 5: that there's a whole history of aerospace and technology that's hidden. Similarly,

2:41:50 Speaker 5: there's a whole history of robotics, genetics, biological studies, and

2:41:56 Speaker 5: what have you, and that had also been very classified.

2:42:01 Speaker 1: You are either one really nutty dude or you are

2:42:05 Speaker 1: a guy who has tapped into one of the craziest

2:42:09 Speaker 1: pieces of information that's being suppressed from the American public.

2:42:13 Speaker 2: And there's no room for a middle ground.

2:42:15 Speaker 5: You know that's well, I know that all every word

2:42:19 Speaker 5: I'm telling you is true.

2:42:20 Speaker 1: I believe I believe that you believe that every word

2:42:23 Speaker 1: out of your mouth is true. I do believe you.

2:42:26 Speaker 2: But this whole thing is so it's so strains credibility.

2:42:30 Speaker 5: All that does, all of it does. And you know

2:42:31 Speaker 5: what I was told years ago that if you really

2:42:34 Speaker 5: told the whole truth about this, that it'll hide itself

2:42:37 Speaker 5: because no one can believe it. So, you know, it

2:42:41 Speaker 5: is kind of through the looking glass and down the

2:42:43 Speaker 5: rabbit hole on this subject. And it's a real problem

2:42:46 Speaker 5: because how far do you go in terms of telling

2:42:50 Speaker 5: what you know and have discovered.

2:42:52 Speaker 1: Well, it seems to me that you are tapped into

2:42:54 Speaker 1: like a way to show people.

2:42:57 Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I mean, but who's looking. I mean it's

2:42:59 Speaker 5: like the FAA guy John Callahan, who said, I've got

2:43:02 Speaker 5: the radar tapes, I got the pilot reports. But who's

2:43:05 Speaker 5: looking and who's asking? Well, not twenty twenty, you know,

2:43:08 Speaker 5: I mean you asked about twenty twenty. The guy who's

2:43:11 Speaker 5: executive producer of that came out to my house. I

2:43:13 Speaker 5: gave him thirty five hours a digital stuff of all

2:43:16 Speaker 5: these top secret guys, all the documents, all this stuff.

2:43:19 Speaker 5: He said, this is the biggest story. It's either all

2:43:22 Speaker 5: a hoax or it's the biggest story in history. I said, yeah,

2:43:25 Speaker 5: well I think it's the latter. And he says, I

2:43:27 Speaker 5: want to do this story. I said, I don't think

2:43:29 Speaker 5: they'll let you. And so we went back to corporate

2:43:32 Speaker 5: ABC and yeah, a couple weeks later, he said, doctor career,

2:43:37 Speaker 5: they won't let me do this.

2:43:38 Speaker 1: Story.

2:43:39 Speaker 5: I said, who are they? Ira, And he said, well,

2:43:42 Speaker 5: you know who they are.

2:43:44 Speaker 2: And I've had producers they're like this crazy motherfucker.

2:43:48 Speaker 5: This was the executive producer in charge of the show

2:43:50 Speaker 5: both primetime Live in twenty twenty and he's now with

2:43:56 Speaker 5: sixty minutes. But I think that what.

2:43:58 Speaker 2: I'd love to talk to him. What's his name? Yeah, Ira,

2:44:01 Speaker 2: I'd love to talk to him on the question everything

2:44:04 Speaker 2: show that'd being fascinating.

2:44:06 Speaker 5: Well, you know, I think that that this is the

2:44:08 Speaker 5: other big myth is that when you start dealing with

2:44:11 Speaker 5: the big media that it's a free media. It's free

2:44:14 Speaker 5: to a point. I mean, it's no problem if you

2:44:16 Speaker 5: want to drill down on someone's sex scandal, But if

2:44:18 Speaker 5: you really want to deal with this issue, there's going

2:44:20 Speaker 5: to be a phone call. And you're one of the

2:44:22 Speaker 5: documents that's up on our website. I wrote an article

2:44:26 Speaker 5: called media Play and then it is a document I

2:44:30 Speaker 5: got from the nineteen nineties from the CIA that talks

2:44:33 Speaker 5: about how the CIA had embedded in all the major

2:44:36 Speaker 5: media people to change, alter, or stop stories. And this

2:44:43 Speaker 5: is an official document. So you know, if the public

2:44:45 Speaker 5: listening out there think we really have a free market,

2:44:47 Speaker 5: a free media. You know, you know, wake up. This

2:44:50 Speaker 5: is simply not the case. So I think that one

2:44:53 Speaker 5: of the challenges we've had is that the it's kind

2:44:59 Speaker 5: of a an article of faith that if all this

2:45:02 Speaker 5: were true, would in the media just really want to

2:45:05 Speaker 5: cover this? And I say, yeah, there are some really

2:45:08 Speaker 5: good people in the media who wanted to, but they're

2:45:11 Speaker 5: not allowed to, And so then that's good way who

2:45:13 Speaker 5: controls the big media. But I'm not talking about your show.

2:45:17 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean, how many shows are out there

2:45:19 Speaker 1: dedicated to looking for UFOs? There seems like this quite

2:45:21 Speaker 1: a bit, and those shows are owned by you know,

2:45:24 Speaker 1: big media companies and networks that promote these shows. You

2:45:28 Speaker 1: think it's just bullshit, and what they're doing is paying

2:45:31 Speaker 1: lip service to it and not really looking and they're

2:45:33 Speaker 1: just covering the controversial aspects of it to get viewers.

2:45:36 Speaker 5: Yes, I think a lot of it's shock and dribble

2:45:38 Speaker 5: and bread and circus. And I think that when you

2:45:40 Speaker 5: then asked the question of you know, years ago when

2:45:43 Speaker 5: I was on Larry King and afterwards I got this

2:45:44 Speaker 5: note from insproduci this is one of the most popular

2:45:47 Speaker 5: shows we've ever had, and so if it was just

2:45:50 Speaker 5: about ratings and just about whether there was anything legitimate

2:45:53 Speaker 5: there to cover. This would be in the news all

2:45:56 Speaker 5: the time. So there's something weird going on here, because

2:45:59 Speaker 5: they'll how over all kinds of sensationalistic nonsense. But you know,

2:46:03 Speaker 5: you have dozens of top secret witnesses, you have legitimate

2:46:06 Speaker 5: government documents, you have photographs, video, or you have teams

2:46:09 Speaker 5: like ours going out having these sort of experiences that

2:46:12 Speaker 5: isn't covered. You have to ask the question why. And

2:46:16 Speaker 5: I think the wonderful thing about twenty thirteen that didn't

2:46:20 Speaker 5: exist five or ten years ago. Twitter, Facebook, video on demand.

2:46:25 Speaker 5: You know, you don't have to go to a big distributor.

2:46:28 Speaker 5: We're and actually, by the way, we're planning to distribute

2:46:31 Speaker 5: this film at the night of the premiere. Maybe we'll

2:46:33 Speaker 5: live stream and if we can figure out how to

2:46:35 Speaker 5: do it, maybe you can help us. I'll we need

2:46:39 Speaker 5: help with it actually because we're actually out of funds well.

2:46:41 Speaker 2: Construction, Brad, and you stream livestream the shit.

2:46:45 Speaker 5: Yeah, And so what we want to do with the

2:46:47 Speaker 5: premiere is live stream and then have the thing and

2:46:49 Speaker 5: then it'll be VOD video on demand, so that you know,

2:46:52 Speaker 5: there's no choke holds in the big media, and then

2:46:54 Speaker 5: you know, you couldn't have done that five or ten

2:46:55 Speaker 5: years ago with any kind of value. Now you can

2:46:57 Speaker 5: do high definition, you can do really good, good video

2:47:00 Speaker 5: and demand, and we're going to do this so that

2:47:02 Speaker 5: everyone can sign up to be an affiliate distributor, so

2:47:06 Speaker 5: that basically, if you want to distribute the show, you

2:47:10 Speaker 5: can distribute it and the people who see it, you know,

2:47:13 Speaker 5: there'll be a small fee to see it, and then

2:47:16 Speaker 5: you'll have part of that and you just build that

2:47:18 Speaker 5: out because what we want to do is make this

2:47:20 Speaker 5: thing go viral so that we don't get into the

2:47:22 Speaker 5: choke holds of the big media, because you know, my

2:47:27 Speaker 5: experience with it is that I'm very, very skeptical of

2:47:31 Speaker 5: the big media doing anything with this until they have to,

2:47:36 Speaker 5: and then it becomes where there's too much noise out there.

2:47:39 Speaker 5: We have to give it a little bit of lip

2:47:40 Speaker 5: service and then we'll take it off again. So that's why,

2:47:43 Speaker 5: by the way, that's why we did this crowdfunding for this.

2:47:46 Speaker 5: It was that we really wanted the people to have

2:47:49 Speaker 5: a stake in it and to move move the film

2:47:51 Speaker 5: serious forward, because if you went to a studio or

2:47:54 Speaker 5: a group of investors. You don't know what they're going

2:47:56 Speaker 5: to do with it. If they control it this way,

2:47:58 Speaker 5: the people own it.

2:48:01 Speaker 1: Well, listen, man, this is a fascinating subject. Like I said,

2:48:05 Speaker 1: it's one of my personal interests and has been since

2:48:09 Speaker 1: I was a small child, and to talk to you

2:48:12 Speaker 1: was a real treat. I really appreciate it.

2:48:13 Speaker 5: I really appreciate you.

2:48:14 Speaker 2: Put your neck out there.

2:48:15 Speaker 1: Man. You say a lot of nutty shit, and it

2:48:17 Speaker 1: takes a lot of courage to do that, or you're crazy.

2:48:20 Speaker 2: I'm willing to believe you.

2:48:22 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm willing to be completely open to the

2:48:25 Speaker 1: point of I'll go out to the desert with you.

2:48:27 Speaker 1: I'll do whatever it is. I'm I'm you know, I'm

2:48:30 Speaker 1: fascinated by all this stuff. And if what you're saying

2:48:34 Speaker 1: is true, it is, you know, one of the most

2:48:37 Speaker 1: mind blowing things our society has ever had access to,

2:48:41 Speaker 1: it has ever been able to encounter.

2:48:43 Speaker 2: I mean, it's pretty crazy shit.

2:48:45 Speaker 1: Man.

2:48:45 Speaker 5: Welcome to the new millennium, because now it's time here

2:48:48 Speaker 5: we go.

2:48:49 Speaker 2: I hope you're right.

2:48:49 Speaker 1: I mean, I hope this isn't just crazy talk. April

2:48:52 Speaker 1: twenty second is the day it's in Los Angeles at

2:48:57 Speaker 1: La Live.

2:48:57 Speaker 2: Which is where it's the Regal La the Regal La Live.

2:49:01 Speaker 1: And how can people either find out about this or

2:49:05 Speaker 1: get to this orp want.

2:49:07 Speaker 5: To go Serious Disclosure dot com and you can go

2:49:11 Speaker 5: there and you can you know, get the tickets and

2:49:13 Speaker 5: everything and sign up right there. Everything can be done online.

2:49:15 Speaker 2: And is the film done?

2:49:17 Speaker 5: It's it's going into final completion the next three weeks

2:49:20 Speaker 5: or so.

2:49:21 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so April twenty second is when it's all

2:49:24 Speaker 1: going down, and that is hopefully you will already have

2:49:27 Speaker 1: the information from this Ivy League Institute about this alien

2:49:31 Speaker 1: being by then correct or.

2:49:32 Speaker 5: This humanoid being human We don't know what it is, yeah,

2:49:35 Speaker 5: whatever it is or yeah, and we will we already

2:49:37 Speaker 5: have a lot of it, but we're waiting for the

2:49:39 Speaker 5: final genetic sequencing.

2:49:41 Speaker 2: Okay.

2:49:41 Speaker 1: And if people want to follow you on Twitter, it's

2:49:43 Speaker 1: doctor Stephen Greer, Steve v T st e v E.

2:49:48 Speaker 1: And not one of those weirdos that says Steven, but

2:49:51 Speaker 1: it's with a pH who does that some weirdos?

2:49:54 Speaker 3: No, pH?

2:49:55 Speaker 1: He yeah, a lot of weirdos Stephen, pH. That's Stefan right, okay,

2:50:01 Speaker 1: doctor Stephen, you're st e v E and Greer and

2:50:05 Speaker 1: one more time.

2:50:05 Speaker 5: The website is serious Disclosure dot com. S I R

2:50:09 Speaker 5: I U S disclosure dot com.

2:50:11 Speaker 2: This has been a fascinating conversation. Thank you very much.

2:50:13 Speaker 1: It's been really interesting and uh, you know, I mean,

2:50:17 Speaker 1: I'm really looking forward to seeing where this goes.

2:50:19 Speaker 5: We'll see you at the premiere.

2:50:21 Speaker 2: Absolutely, Will you do this again? Will you come by?

2:50:23 Speaker 5: Yeah?

2:50:23 Speaker 2: I love to around the time of the premiere with.

2:50:27 Speaker 5: All the new findings.

2:50:28 Speaker 1: Yes, please, all right, we're gonna have some fun. Listen, folks,

2:50:31 Speaker 1: thanks for tuning in. We have a crazy week this week.

2:50:34 Speaker 1: We have Tom Segura is going to be on on Tuesday,

2:50:37 Speaker 1: David Lee Roth is going to be on on yeah, right,

2:50:43 Speaker 1: David Lee Ross here on Wednesday, and on Friday, doctor

2:50:46 Speaker 1: Ahmit Goswami, theoretical physicist. So we have some some crazy science.

2:50:52 Speaker 1: We've got a rock star, and we've got one of

2:50:54 Speaker 1: the funniest people on the planet, and we have doctor

2:50:55 Speaker 1: Stephen Greer. Thank you very much for your time. I

2:50:57 Speaker 1: really appreciate it. You wanted to talk to you, and

2:51:00 Speaker 1: I really appreciate you all you're doing.

2:51:01 Speaker 2: It's awesome stuff. I love it.

2:51:03 Speaker 1: I'm fascinated and I can't wait to talk to you

2:51:05 Speaker 1: again in April, and I can't wait to see your film.

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