Pt. 2: 29 Palms Military Base MASS UFO. "A Debate" feat. Ret. Veteran Grider & Arthur Preston

0:06 Speaker 1: So I'm not sure if Grider's back, but I am back.

0:12 Speaker 1: You're back, so I think we can pick up where

0:18 Speaker 1: is already here.

0:21 Speaker 2: Let's assume writers here. I think he's cooking. But let's

0:24 Speaker 2: bring up the five witnesses.

0:27 Speaker 1: Okay, alrighty, all right, so let me get back to it.

0:33 Speaker 1: I should have brought this up during the break. God

0:36 Speaker 1: damn it, I'm such a dumb bob. So where did

0:41 Speaker 1: you put the witness testimony?

0:45 Speaker 2: It's should be in our media thread?

0:48 Speaker 1: Yeah, video event video, event video. Have you listened to

0:55 Speaker 1: the five? Okay, here we go.

0:56 Speaker 3: There we go.

0:58 Speaker 1: All right, let me just drop this down added in.

1:03 Speaker 1: Sorry guys coming back from the break. H all right, now,

1:15 Speaker 1: oh god, that's gonna make me rEFInd it. This is

1:18 Speaker 1: why there needs to be a better system.

1:22 Speaker 3: Okay, I'm back.

1:25 Speaker 4: Have you mentioned yet that you've verified, like my credentials

1:28 Speaker 4: and all that that I was like in the military.

1:30 Speaker 1: And yeah, I did see someone question that, and I

1:34 Speaker 1: I with confidence that I can back you up for

1:40 Speaker 1: the record, for the record. Yes, so can you see this?

2:00 Speaker 1: No fucking stupid?

2:06 Speaker 5: What are the facts?

2:07 Speaker 4: Man?

2:08 Speaker 6: Like? What bakes?

2:09 Speaker 5: Which is which marine base? And what time was this?

2:12 Speaker 2: It keeps.

2:12 Speaker 7: Two nights ago, it was roughly like eight.

2:16 Speaker 5: Walk me through it.

2:17 Speaker 6: We're out in palms.

2:23 Speaker 1: Oh you had it.

2:26 Speaker 2: You click on that link, Click on that link, click.

2:29 Speaker 7: On that bring it up artillery.

2:36 Speaker 5: So what were facts, man?

2:37 Speaker 7: Like?

2:37 Speaker 5: What bas which is which?

2:41 Speaker 8: All right?

2:47 Speaker 7: What?

2:47 Speaker 6: Wow?

2:49 Speaker 1: This is what happens when you stop doing great? Can

2:53 Speaker 1: you break? When you break the flow? I feel like

2:56 Speaker 1: a god damn fool right now?

3:00 Speaker 9: All right?

3:00 Speaker 1: So I this is my this is the problem. So

3:03 Speaker 1: I gotta share the screen first. Then I got to

3:07 Speaker 1: bring it into the studio. You guys get to see

3:13 Speaker 1: my Twitter, all my dirty secrets, god, all all my

3:23 Speaker 1: my conversations with my insiders, and my how my intelligence

3:30 Speaker 1: agent that is, I'm an I'm an intel agent. I'm

3:37 Speaker 1: a disinfo agent like Rick Dody. Hear it?

3:42 Speaker 6: Yep?

3:44 Speaker 5: What are the facts, man?

3:45 Speaker 6: Like?

3:45 Speaker 5: What cakes? Which? Which marine base? And what time was this?

3:50 Speaker 7: Two nights ago? It was roughly like eight at night.

3:55 Speaker 7: It was BOMs, California.

3:57 Speaker 10: So I don't know if you're familiar with the base

3:58 Speaker 10: at all, but Camp Wilson is attached to nine bombs,

4:04 Speaker 10: so it's like a one way road in and out

4:06 Speaker 10: of the camp.

4:07 Speaker 7: One of my Buddies was outside and he's.

4:10 Speaker 11: Looking at this guy, and then it just kind of

4:11 Speaker 11: appeared out of nowhere, and y'all came out and looked.

4:15 Speaker 11: And then slowly, like fifty plus people start coming out

4:17 Speaker 11: and looking.

4:18 Speaker 7: Those lights appeared out of nowhere.

4:21 Speaker 5: Obviously a lot of people saw this. What did people think?

4:25 Speaker 11: They're just kind of they were just kind of like

4:30 Speaker 11: nobody could recognize it.

4:31 Speaker 7: I mean, we're all in the military, so you think we've.

4:33 Speaker 5: This happened in a number of places. I've got reports

4:36 Speaker 5: from other people that are coming in With the video

4:38 Speaker 5: you sent me, was that yours?

4:40 Speaker 7: Yes, that's my?

4:42 Speaker 5: And the photo is that a still photo or pulled

4:44 Speaker 5: from the video?

4:46 Speaker 7: It's a still photo.

4:47 Speaker 11: If you look in the picture and you can see

4:49 Speaker 11: like a black triang your shape.

4:51 Speaker 5: Why are these not flares?

4:53 Speaker 11: Because they stayed their first solid ten minutes just in

4:57 Speaker 11: the same spot.

4:59 Speaker 5: And flares don't sit in one spot for ten minutes.

5:03 Speaker 7: No, they definitely they fall, So.

5:05 Speaker 5: You personally know that these were not players. Do you

5:08 Speaker 5: believe this was a craft?

5:10 Speaker 7: Yeah? I would have to believe so.

5:11 Speaker 11: With the picture I took with the granular ship underneath

5:14 Speaker 11: the lights, it's definitely not any type of like player

5:19 Speaker 11: elimination rounds or anything.

5:22 Speaker 12: I worked with artillery.

5:25 Speaker 1: See a lot of these people claiming that they work

5:28 Speaker 1: with artillery just like you do. Grider.

5:31 Speaker 2: I'm also Arthur momented. He says that, yes, I think

5:36 Speaker 2: it's a craft based on that photo where you can see,

5:40 Speaker 2: uh something underneath the lights. He clearly said that you

5:44 Speaker 2: could see something underneath the lights. And that's kind of

5:46 Speaker 2: the point that I was making Earlier's artillery.

5:51 Speaker 4: Okay, but I can confidently say, and it's not arrogance.

5:55 Speaker 4: I can say that I've fired more artillery than that

5:58 Speaker 4: guy has.

6:00 Speaker 2: Thinking about.

6:02 Speaker 3: I know for a fact that I have because there's

6:04 Speaker 3: only a small don't.

6:05 Speaker 1: Know what, Yeah, I think that's I think that Grider,

6:13 Speaker 1: that's that's that that that's assumption on a whole I

6:18 Speaker 1: understand it. I at my day job, at my day job,

6:24 Speaker 1: I could say I've done this, and I've done it

6:30 Speaker 1: more times than any other person. You know what I

6:33 Speaker 1: mean That that that I'm not I'm not like belittling you.

6:37 Speaker 7: You.

6:37 Speaker 1: I'm sure you fired as much as you're talking about.

6:42 Speaker 1: But I don't think you could just go out there

6:44 Speaker 1: and just assumingly say it that you've one hundred percent,

6:48 Speaker 1: without a shadow of a doubt, fired more artillery lives.

6:54 Speaker 4: I mean, if like, I mean, if you guys can

6:56 Speaker 4: make assumptions about what these people were thinking and what

6:58 Speaker 4: they were thinking and what like they mean you know

7:00 Speaker 4: that I guess, I mean, like, I'm not.

7:02 Speaker 1: Making any assumption.

7:05 Speaker 3: I'm not making an assumption. Counter we can get going,

7:08 Speaker 3: maybe somebody in the check and start keeping track.

7:13 Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's starting alright, man.

7:14 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm just like, you know, this is just

7:16 Speaker 3: the way I am.

7:16 Speaker 1: Like, you know, I don't listen. I get it, I

7:19 Speaker 1: get I'm enjoying myself again.

7:22 Speaker 2: But I just want I just want to profess that

7:24 Speaker 2: I think as we continue on listening to these witnesses,

7:28 Speaker 2: writer is going to continuously try to undermine their credibility,

7:32 Speaker 2: and I just want people to be dude, You've been

7:35 Speaker 2: wrong so many like you just tried to undermine their credibility.

7:39 Speaker 2: Just now by saying that, I guarantee I've done more

7:42 Speaker 2: than this guy.

7:43 Speaker 4: I'm just saying, like, I like, I already know what

7:45 Speaker 4: you're going to try to do, Arthur. You're gonna try

7:46 Speaker 4: to make me say something bad. You're like you're playing

7:49 Speaker 4: my dedication and my like my core value of like

7:53 Speaker 4: you know, loving my fellow veterans, and like you know

7:56 Speaker 4: all that you're like you're gonna try to play off

7:58 Speaker 4: of that put me in like a hard place, but

8:00 Speaker 4: in a difficult spot where I have to choose between

8:02 Speaker 4: disrespecting my fellow veterans and like telling what I want

8:07 Speaker 4: to tell.

8:08 Speaker 2: And that's the spot that you put yourself, Grider, because

8:11 Speaker 2: you're the anti. You're saying that these are flares, and

8:14 Speaker 2: the only way that it can be flares is if

8:16 Speaker 2: these witnesses aren't credible.

8:19 Speaker 3: Yeah, Arthur, Well, I mean we'll see.

8:23 Speaker 1: I guess all right, we'll continue the we'll continue.

8:31 Speaker 10: And we shoot illumination rounds out of our already guns

8:34 Speaker 10: into the air to loom infantry guys. And this was

8:38 Speaker 10: nothing compared to what that is.

8:41 Speaker 7: Like.

8:41 Speaker 10: This was something none of us had ever seen before.

8:44 Speaker 10: It was completely different color, the size of the illumination

8:47 Speaker 10: was different. And when we shoot illumination rounds, it's one

8:52 Speaker 10: you shoot in the air and let it drop and

8:54 Speaker 10: then you shoot another one.

8:55 Speaker 7: This was like obviously you've seen the picture.

8:57 Speaker 10: This was like five right next to each other, and

9:01 Speaker 10: they're kind of reddish and our loom rounds are like

9:04 Speaker 10: a yellow white color.

9:05 Speaker 5: So this was a crap. Was it hovering stationary? Was

9:08 Speaker 5: there any sound?

9:10 Speaker 7: There was absolutely no sound, no sound, but it was

9:13 Speaker 7: definitely stationary.

9:14 Speaker 5: How big was it? Estimate to me? How big compared to.

9:18 Speaker 7: One of those stealth bombers.

9:19 Speaker 5: The size well, hold on, hold on, stealth bombers can't

9:23 Speaker 5: cover exactly.

9:25 Speaker 7: That's why I can compare it to that. But that's

9:27 Speaker 7: how I know it.

9:27 Speaker 11: Plus it's that I would say the size of my

9:30 Speaker 11: three bedrooms a coonehouse.

9:32 Speaker 7: I don't know, maybe bigger.

9:36 Speaker 5: You said that there were like objects that came out

9:38 Speaker 5: and like circled it right after and then it went dark.

9:41 Speaker 5: What do you mean?

9:43 Speaker 7: So right before they went out and the allume rounds

9:45 Speaker 7: popped off over top of it, those two orange lights,

9:48 Speaker 7: the actual alum rounds that went up over top of it.

9:52 Speaker 11: And then after that it disappeared like just straight went black,

9:55 Speaker 11: and then helicopters started like pulling ass towards it, and

10:00 Speaker 11: they went like in the direction of it, and then

10:01 Speaker 11: they started to circling the area.

10:03 Speaker 10: These helicopters were circling for a good bit afterwards, and

10:07 Speaker 10: there was a there was a convoy as well that

10:10 Speaker 10: went out. It was like a sixty plus truck convoy

10:13 Speaker 10: and we saw it go out as well. We were

10:15 Speaker 10: taking pictures afterwards. It was just straight black disappeared. What

10:21 Speaker 10: do you think you saw?

10:24 Speaker 7: I couldn't tell you.

10:25 Speaker 11: I just know it's not anything that I recognized or

10:28 Speaker 11: any of my close defends could recognize either.

10:31 Speaker 7: So I don't think it was anything US military.

10:37 Speaker 11: Definitely some type of UFO and govern was trying to

10:40 Speaker 11: look for it after it disappeared.

10:43 Speaker 7: I'm just trying to figure out what the hell that was.

10:46 Speaker 5: This is a highly documented event. We just don't know

10:49 Speaker 5: what it is.

10:50 Speaker 11: Yeah, like through exercises that we've worked with a lot

10:53 Speaker 11: of people who use different type of weapons.

10:57 Speaker 7: So I've never seen anything like it.

11:00 Speaker 12: My role was infantry.

11:01 Speaker 5: And you were there on April twentieth, twenty twenty one.

11:06 Speaker 5: You were there that night, Yes, and you saw it?

11:10 Speaker 12: Yes, I saw it appeer and disappear.

11:13 Speaker 5: Well, first of all, how many people do you think

11:15 Speaker 5: for a second, So there's like, let's fifteen people in

11:21 Speaker 5: mind moot.

11:25 Speaker 2: This is witness number three, and he is the only

11:29 Speaker 2: witness where he says he saw it a peer and

11:32 Speaker 2: he saw it disappear. So this is an important witness.

11:35 Speaker 2: Not all of the witnesses saw it appeer. They weren't

11:38 Speaker 2: all out there when it first, you know, showed up.

11:42 Speaker 2: So some of them are saying that they only saw

11:45 Speaker 2: it for ten minutes. But this witness three says it

11:49 Speaker 2: lasted thirty to thirty five minutes. And he was He's

11:52 Speaker 2: the one that said he actually saw it a peer.

11:54 Speaker 2: So that's the point I want to make.

11:55 Speaker 3: Note. He said that he was out there watching it

11:58 Speaker 3: for thirty five minutes. That's what he said.

12:00 Speaker 2: Now go back, what can go to you? Go back

12:03 Speaker 2: and listen to it.

12:04 Speaker 4: Oh, I study the transcript, brother, Just like with the

12:06 Speaker 4: Jellyfish Mike Sinkowski, you got to pay attention to what

12:09 Speaker 4: people say. What they're exactly telling you, not what you

12:13 Speaker 4: want to hear.

12:14 Speaker 3: I'm just saying, let's agree with that recording.

12:20 Speaker 2: So let's go back and witness is.

12:21 Speaker 1: Actually I'm gonna pull us out because there's the the

12:26 Speaker 1: transcript at the bottom that we're covering, so we can

12:31 Speaker 1: still be heard. But I just want people to see

12:34 Speaker 1: that that you can see, you can read as as

12:37 Speaker 1: as it's playing all right, and we just cracked two

12:42 Speaker 1: thousand wonderful.

12:45 Speaker 5: Yes, and you saw it?

12:48 Speaker 12: Yes, I saw it appear, and well, first.

12:51 Speaker 2: Of all, I saw it. Ah, that was the exact quote. Yes,

12:59 Speaker 2: I saw appear and disappear.

13:05 Speaker 1: Any rebuttal.

13:09 Speaker 12: No, I saw it appear, and.

13:11 Speaker 5: Well, first of all, how many people do you think

13:13 Speaker 5: saw this?

13:16 Speaker 12: So there there's like fifteen people in my hoops.

13:22 Speaker 1: To be clear, is a hoot shot half moon shaped?

13:28 Speaker 3: Okay?

13:28 Speaker 7: Yeah?

13:29 Speaker 3: So uh yeah, yeah yeah, So okay.

13:31 Speaker 1: Is that what a hooch is?

13:33 Speaker 4: Yeah, so fifteen would be like two squads, So I guess, yeah,

13:36 Speaker 4: I guess they're smaller inside than I thought. Okay, it's

13:39 Speaker 4: like fifteen per who so look at a couple of

13:43 Speaker 4: companies in that one area. It's what I would be guessing,

13:46 Speaker 4: because there's there's like fifty huches in that one in

13:49 Speaker 4: Camp Wilson, right.

13:51 Speaker 1: So that'd be fifteen thirty forty five.

13:54 Speaker 4: That was your guest. By the way, I'm sure that

13:56 Speaker 4: somebody can find an examt.

13:57 Speaker 1: No, I understand, I I completely I don't expect you

14:01 Speaker 1: to have those numbers. To the tee.

14:04 Speaker 12: There's a bunch of people. There's like ten bouches in

14:07 Speaker 12: the line with people.

14:08 Speaker 2: On it tens at ten times fifteen. Yeah, ten times fifteen.

14:16 Speaker 1: So that that right there is saying that over no.

14:24 Speaker 1: One hundred and fifty, over one hundred people saw It's okay, math,

14:29 Speaker 1: it's it's late. So that's approximately one hundred and forty

14:35 Speaker 1: five hundred and fifty people that could potentially have been

14:39 Speaker 1: witness to this. So a lot of people saw it.

14:43 Speaker 12: So a lot of people saw it.

14:44 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I heard about fifty witnesses at Camp Wilson alone. Yeah,

14:49 Speaker 5: how you first alerted to the fact that was outside?

14:52 Speaker 5: Like how did you first see it?

14:54 Speaker 7: When we were.

14:54 Speaker 13: There, we would have like at night, we'd have like

14:58 Speaker 13: story time or something just like time I just appeared.

15:03 Speaker 13: And then when we saw it, and then I would

15:05 Speaker 13: start freaking out.

15:07 Speaker 1: I want to pause it there, because can we here

15:13 Speaker 1: we say here we see or we hear I should

15:17 Speaker 1: say that everyone started freaking out. Now it goes back

15:26 Speaker 1: to the sentiment that I raised earlier in the fact

15:29 Speaker 1: that in some other videos you can hear people, you know,

15:35 Speaker 1: not not not like chaos. I wouldn't describe it as

15:38 Speaker 1: like like, oh my god, alien invasion, like you know

15:41 Speaker 1: people around yeah, rockets. I would I would describe it

15:45 Speaker 1: as uh flop ergasted.

15:50 Speaker 4: That's what I would expect like a group of like

15:52 Speaker 4: teenagers to describe when like they're like freaking out is

15:56 Speaker 4: not a that's not how soldiers speak, Like, that's.

15:59 Speaker 1: Not why are yeah, so, why are marines saying they

16:09 Speaker 1: freaked out?

16:10 Speaker 4: Freak freaking out? Like have you ever heard a grown

16:14 Speaker 4: man say I was freaking out? Unless they were joking

16:16 Speaker 4: around about Like have you ever heard them, like you know.

16:20 Speaker 1: I host a podcasts a podcast about aliens. I've heard

16:25 Speaker 1: many grown men say that they've been freaked out. But

16:30 Speaker 1: that's neither here nor.

16:32 Speaker 3: They freaking out is like it's there's a difference.

16:35 Speaker 1: There, right, And I got to get it. But my

16:43 Speaker 1: point being that you're we go back to this notion

16:50 Speaker 1: that there's a massive response on bass. Whether this is

16:56 Speaker 1: a training exercise or not. We're still not there yet,

17:00 Speaker 1: but the massive response. There's lights in the sky, the

17:05 Speaker 1: flares that are being sent up aside from the lights

17:10 Speaker 1: in question, and there's witness testimony claiming not a response.

17:17 Speaker 3: No, it was not a.

17:18 Speaker 2: Response, like according to the witnesses, it was.

17:24 Speaker 1: Yeah, So I guess.

17:25 Speaker 3: I'm going on the schedule right here in front of you, guys,

17:27 Speaker 3: we can go over.

17:27 Speaker 1: Again right after this. I want to bring that out.

17:32 Speaker 3: Yeah, because this is going to eliminate all these points, right,

17:35 Speaker 3: A bunch of.

17:36 Speaker 2: Fake documents, a bunch of fake duck documents from the government.

17:40 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, you know, I mean okay, well, oh you

17:43 Speaker 3: got me there.

17:45 Speaker 1: Yeah, we could do that. That's a dispute for another day.

17:49 Speaker 5: They really they were freaking out a little bit or yeah, yeah,

17:55 Speaker 5: no one knew what it was. And how long would

17:58 Speaker 5: you suspect that it was there? What the longest length

18:01 Speaker 5: that it was there?

18:03 Speaker 12: Thirty thirty five minutes?

18:06 Speaker 5: Really boom?

18:07 Speaker 12: Yeah, it was there for a hot minute.

18:09 Speaker 5: A lot of people are saying that these are flares.

18:14 Speaker 7: No, they weren't.

18:16 Speaker 12: Definitely one hundred percent not flairs. I think it was

18:20 Speaker 12: a crap.

18:22 Speaker 7: It was weird.

18:23 Speaker 5: So this this was unlike anything you've seen before or sents.

18:29 Speaker 4: But you can't say like you're one hundred percent on

18:31 Speaker 4: something and then say like I think it was. If

18:33 Speaker 4: you're one hundred percent on something, then you know what

18:36 Speaker 4: is right?

18:37 Speaker 3: You see what I'm saying.

18:37 Speaker 2: It's like, okay, he said, he said it's not flares.

18:42 Speaker 2: Then he says he thinks it was a craft. So

18:45 Speaker 2: he's sure that it wasn't he's sure that it wasn't flares,

18:49 Speaker 2: but he suspects or he thinks that it was wrong.

18:53 Speaker 3: Like he's he's wrong.

18:55 Speaker 1: Like the guy's roll thank you either.

18:57 Speaker 4: Like and also it's like this guy's saying this. When

19:00 Speaker 4: did this guy come out? Because the initial reporting on

19:04 Speaker 4: this incident it said ten minutes, that was what it said.

19:08 Speaker 2: So there was the first episode of Weaponize, just so

19:11 Speaker 2: there's a timeline, there was the first episode of Weaponize,

19:14 Speaker 2: and then a week later there was the second episode

19:16 Speaker 2: of Weaponized, and that's where three more witnesses came out.

19:20 Speaker 12: So you got the first two witnesses.

19:23 Speaker 2: Because not everyone was there the entire duration of the event.

19:27 Speaker 2: Some people came out of the buildings to see what

19:30 Speaker 2: was going on at a later time.

19:33 Speaker 3: You know that for a fact?

19:39 Speaker 2: Do I know that it was for a fact that

19:42 Speaker 2: some people weren't there when it initially appeared.

19:46 Speaker 3: That what you just said is a factual statement.

19:51 Speaker 2: What I said is that there were some people. This

19:54 Speaker 2: witness number three who says he saw it appear, and

19:58 Speaker 2: he saw the whole duration of the event from beginning

20:00 Speaker 2: to end. Other witnesses weren't never made that claim that

20:05 Speaker 2: they saw it appear, and those are the witnesses that

20:09 Speaker 2: said it was ten minutes.

20:14 Speaker 1: It is a good distinction to be made. Grider that

20:18 Speaker 1: he is correct when he says that, because oftentimes, when

20:26 Speaker 1: someone's trying to pull the wool over your eyes, they'll

20:33 Speaker 1: tack on some fluff to make the story, and that

20:39 Speaker 1: honestly could be happening here to a degree with the

20:42 Speaker 1: witness testimony. You know, when they're relaying it to Corbel

20:46 Speaker 1: about the duration like thirty thirty five minutes, maybe maybe

20:50 Speaker 1: it was more like twenty twenty five.

20:52 Speaker 5: You know.

20:53 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that this is not subject to that

20:57 Speaker 1: that that dramatized storytelling. But there is a distinction to

21:03 Speaker 1: be made when some when there are many people say

21:06 Speaker 1: who have taken video saying listen, I only saw that

21:09 Speaker 1: thing for ten minutes, right, it was up there. And

21:14 Speaker 1: then there's another person who says, I watch this thing

21:17 Speaker 1: appear disappear. It was up there for thirty five minutes.

21:20 Speaker 1: This is someone who's clearly engaged and was like like,

21:26 Speaker 1: wasn't wanted wanted to see the whole event. There were

21:30 Speaker 1: other people who maybe saw it and disregard, you know,

21:34 Speaker 1: after ten minutes were like who cares anymore? You know,

21:39 Speaker 1: But so there, it doesn't seem that would lead me

21:44 Speaker 1: away from a hoax, if you I guess in my

21:49 Speaker 1: in my head. But I'm not saying that the hoax

21:52 Speaker 1: is not still on the table.

21:54 Speaker 4: I'm not even saying anything about the I'm saying in

21:56 Speaker 4: ten minutes, I can end this like right now, you know,

21:59 Speaker 4: I'm saying, like we keep talking about the witness testimony

22:01 Speaker 4: and tim, I mean looking at these documents, can I

22:04 Speaker 4: mean can like it'll be I mean, I will be

22:07 Speaker 4: shocked if Arthur has like a legitimate response to you know,

22:12 Speaker 4: like you know, these documents. We'll get to documents, we'll

22:16 Speaker 4: get nobody's talked. Hey, nobody's talked about these documents. Nobody

22:20 Speaker 4: has actually looked in as far as I know. Maybe

22:23 Speaker 4: they have all metabunk. Maybe they have all metabunk, but

22:26 Speaker 4: I know John Greenwall hasn't looked at the actual documents.

22:29 Speaker 4: So like the of the schedules and like the range,

22:32 Speaker 4: you know, like the amount of orders that it was expended.

22:36 Speaker 3: Okay, well did you understand it? What was in them?

22:41 Speaker 2: You know, I haven't.

22:43 Speaker 1: Let's not get it. Let's not get out of ourselves, guys.

22:45 Speaker 1: Let's not get out of.

22:47 Speaker 4: Like I am not going to say anything bad about

22:50 Speaker 4: these marines, Like I'm not, I'm just not.

22:53 Speaker 1: Okay, all right, let's keep playing understood, But okay, you

22:59 Speaker 1: know I won't even there because it's just going to

23:01 Speaker 1: be real more. Let's you know what, Let's just play

23:04 Speaker 1: through this. I want to get to you what you're saying,

23:07 Speaker 1: because I do want to bring up the documents. No

23:09 Speaker 1: one's explored it yet, and I do want to bring

23:12 Speaker 1: them up because I do think they're important because it

23:16 Speaker 1: does show the response from the it's the official narrative,

23:24 Speaker 1: and i'd like to explore that. I think that many

23:28 Speaker 1: people didn't just explore it, and they did a disservice

23:32 Speaker 1: to the entire thing by not exploring both sides. So

23:36 Speaker 1: that's why we're here tonight. That's why I'm here tonight,

23:39 Speaker 1: is to explore both sides. So all right, let's continue watching.

23:43 Speaker 1: We'll watch right through, we'll get a couple thoughts, and

23:47 Speaker 1: then we'll bring up those documents.

23:49 Speaker 12: Oh yeah, yeah, first time seeing something like that. Yeah,

23:53 Speaker 12: it definitely looked like a craft.

23:56 Speaker 5: Was there any sound?

23:59 Speaker 12: No sound at all? There's kind of eerie.

24:03 Speaker 5: And if you had to just guesstimate and you give

24:06 Speaker 5: me an estimate size.

24:08 Speaker 12: But Maltain was pretty big. It was pretty much like

24:11 Speaker 12: the same length as the top of the bouton. So

24:14 Speaker 12: I'm saying like.

24:16 Speaker 7: At least.

24:19 Speaker 12: Seventy five yards, like almost a little more.

24:24 Speaker 7: Than half the cool field.

24:25 Speaker 5: I would say, yeah, I keep hearing that, and you

24:29 Speaker 5: still don't know what it was.

24:32 Speaker 12: Now I could speculate that it was definitely UFO.

24:36 Speaker 5: Why would you call it a UFO? Sorry, identified, It

24:43 Speaker 5: wasn't some military object or craft.

24:46 Speaker 13: No, No, If I was, the whites would have been

24:50 Speaker 13: blinking and it would have been moving, and I was

24:52 Speaker 13: not doing any of that.

24:54 Speaker 12: The night was pretty crazy.

24:56 Speaker 13: Why there was boys of vehicles, helicopters, snun you'd really

25:01 Speaker 13: see happen there.

25:03 Speaker 5: So that was unusual. The response was unusual.

25:06 Speaker 12: Oh yeah, yeah.

25:07 Speaker 13: There was like a convoy that night of beeples heading

25:10 Speaker 13: that way.

25:12 Speaker 12: Had to be at least like fifty to the seventy trucks.

25:16 Speaker 12: It was a huge convoy.

25:17 Speaker 13: And then all night long there's helicopters just flying around everywhere.

25:22 Speaker 12: It was very unusual.

25:24 Speaker 5: Even though that was part of your you're there for

25:26 Speaker 5: training missions, and there's a non training mission going on

25:29 Speaker 5: there at that time. This is still unusual.

25:32 Speaker 12: Oh yeah, it was definitely very unusual.

25:34 Speaker 5: The response was unusual. Positive. What's your interpretation of that response?

25:39 Speaker 2: Can you pause it? So he's this is clear. This

25:43 Speaker 2: is important because he asked him, even though there was

25:46 Speaker 2: a known training mission happening at that time, do you

25:50 Speaker 2: still think it was unusual? And he said yes, he did,

25:57 Speaker 2: So that's an important point. He acknowledges that there were

26:00 Speaker 2: a training mission there, but even with that knowledge, he

26:04 Speaker 2: still thinks it's unusual.

26:06 Speaker 1: The response, yes, the response the massive response. Now, Grider,

26:16 Speaker 1: do is it normal for a base wide military drill

26:23 Speaker 1: to happen at what time? Was this? Eight thirty?

26:28 Speaker 2: Yeah, around eight thirty, eight o'clock eight thirty?

26:32 Speaker 1: Is that a normal thing?

26:34 Speaker 3: I mean people train all hours of the night, right

26:38 Speaker 3: they do?

26:39 Speaker 1: They? I'm asking you to prop a point up. They

26:45 Speaker 1: do do training both at day and night, correct, Yeah,

26:50 Speaker 1: because you have to be ready for both of those

26:52 Speaker 1: scenarios in actual wartime.

26:56 Speaker 3: I mean just that.

26:57 Speaker 4: I mean it's like you only have so many hours

27:00 Speaker 4: in a day, you know, and it's cooler at night.

27:02 Speaker 4: You know, it's Yeah, you have to train like at night,

27:04 Speaker 4: especially when you're doing aviation stuff, you know, to be

27:08 Speaker 4: able to operate under low light conditions.

27:12 Speaker 1: Right right, right, So it's it's safe to say that

27:15 Speaker 1: training that this this if they're if there, if this

27:20 Speaker 1: is flares, it's not unreasonable to say that they were

27:26 Speaker 1: doing a high scale base wide training at that. I mean, yeah, okay,

27:36 Speaker 1: and we'll get to the Yeah, and we'll get to

27:38 Speaker 1: the documents. Okay, all right, And just want to.

27:41 Speaker 3: Check the private messages style when you start the video. Thanks.

27:47 Speaker 12: I think they're probably going to hunt it down or

27:50 Speaker 12: something to see if they could find it.

27:53 Speaker 7: Oh.

27:53 Speaker 12: No, it was pretty wild, definitely, wasn't.

27:58 Speaker 14: Players wasn't for five years. I'm out now right now,

28:03 Speaker 14: I'm just going to school and working. I work at

28:05 Speaker 14: an engineering company.

28:06 Speaker 5: In all of your time in the military, the five years,

28:08 Speaker 5: did you have a specialty or anything that you did.

28:11 Speaker 6: I trade. I was a data systems technician.

28:13 Speaker 14: I worked on all the communications equipment and stuff that

28:17 Speaker 14: the ground guys used.

28:18 Speaker 6: I did that and I operated it too. For example, you.

28:22 Speaker 14: Know the guys running around in the movies with the

28:24 Speaker 14: antennas and they're always like calling it up the other

28:27 Speaker 14: one's communicating with the higher ups and you know, doing

28:30 Speaker 14: that kind of stuff like that's that's.

28:31 Speaker 5: What I did, you know, April twenty twenty one about

28:35 Speaker 5: eight twenty pm.

28:37 Speaker 2: As far as I just want to talk about his

28:41 Speaker 2: his his job in the military. He is basically the

28:46 Speaker 2: radio man. So that's a pretty you have to qualify

28:51 Speaker 2: for something like that. And those are the people that

28:53 Speaker 2: are communicating like artillery strikes. They're talking to the higher ups.

28:57 Speaker 2: So this would be someone who would probably have a

29:01 Speaker 2: little higher status than you know, a basic level sold

29:06 Speaker 2: you look at.

29:07 Speaker 4: So I just want so I gave you guys two

29:10 Speaker 4: of my commendation letters. To my letters are commendation and

29:13 Speaker 4: if you look in there, I was a radio telephone operator,

29:17 Speaker 4: like that was one of my primary jobs besides ammunition

29:21 Speaker 4: uh chief. You know, like if you look in the

29:24 Speaker 4: I think it's well.

29:25 Speaker 2: You have to qualify for that, yep, yeah, I mean.

29:28 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's it's yeah qualified training go to yeah

29:32 Speaker 4: nine yards.

29:33 Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's an added it says that.

29:36 Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, absolutely, like everybody is specialized.

29:39 Speaker 4: But you know, I did everything else, you know, and

29:42 Speaker 4: I even went out with the infantry when they needed

29:43 Speaker 4: somebody I mean that's in the commendation letter too. But yeah,

29:49 Speaker 4: so I mean like I understand fully what but like

29:51 Speaker 4: you're not gonna have your you're not gonna have your

29:53 Speaker 4: radio going when you're chilling at night, like.

29:57 Speaker 2: No, no, all, I was making that as a radio

30:00 Speaker 2: a man, that is kind of a point of pride

30:02 Speaker 2: for a many soldiers because it's kind of saying that

30:05 Speaker 2: you're a responsible person and.

30:07 Speaker 4: Every soldier is proud of what they do, like we're

30:09 Speaker 4: all proud of like we like, every soldier is proud

30:12 Speaker 4: no matter what they're doing, from the cooks to the uh,

30:14 Speaker 4: you know, to the seals or you know.

30:18 Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess my only point is that it's a

30:21 Speaker 2: respected position.

30:24 Speaker 4: I mean every as I'm concerned, like everybody is as.

30:29 Speaker 2: Well, you're Yeah, it's a it's a everybody's important everything.

30:38 Speaker 1: It's a cog and it's a cog in the wheel.

30:41 Speaker 2: But I might person point is that it requires you

30:46 Speaker 2: have to demonstrate competence and responsibility.

30:56 Speaker 1: I was just asking, would would you have to have

30:59 Speaker 1: scored out at a different level on your ASVAB to

31:04 Speaker 1: to enter into cap radio communications?

31:10 Speaker 4: No, No, I mean it's like that's just like a

31:12 Speaker 4: that's not a specific MOS that's like a uh within

31:16 Speaker 4: like your your job classification, which I think these guys

31:20 Speaker 4: are probably O three elevens are zero three elevens, which

31:23 Speaker 4: are like normal infantry, well not normally, I mean, you

31:26 Speaker 4: know they're you know, they're the Marine infantry. But within

31:30 Speaker 4: that job classification, you have like different specialties, like you

31:34 Speaker 4: have a heavy machine gunner, you have a you know,

31:37 Speaker 4: a driver.

31:38 Speaker 3: It's like you have different jobs.

31:39 Speaker 4: But it's it's not a it's not its own job,

31:42 Speaker 4: like you don't go to like uh a two month

31:46 Speaker 4: long like school like after basic for it. You know,

31:49 Speaker 4: it's like everybody is specialized training, Like each soldier receives

31:52 Speaker 4: specialized training once they get to their unit in whatever

31:55 Speaker 4: job they fulfill within the you know that unit. It's

31:59 Speaker 4: the best way I can explain it. You know, I'm

32:00 Speaker 4: sorry if I can't explain it better.

32:03 Speaker 5: But oh, thank you.

32:05 Speaker 1: I think you think you did very well there. Okay,

32:08 Speaker 1: let's go, all right, let's keep going.

32:11 Speaker 6: That's that's what I did. You know.

32:12 Speaker 5: April twentieth, twenty twenty one, about eight twenty pm. As

32:17 Speaker 5: far as this event, walk me through it.

32:20 Speaker 6: We were out in palms. If I recall correctly. I

32:24 Speaker 6: was one of the first people. I walked outside, and

32:25 Speaker 6: I was like, what the fuck is that? That was weird?

32:27 Speaker 14: And then I was like, dude, that's when I pulled

32:29 Speaker 14: my head inside and I was like, hey, guys, there's

32:33 Speaker 14: like some weird stuff in the sky.

32:34 Speaker 6: You guys, come check this out.

32:35 Speaker 14: And then so when everyone came outside, and then like

32:38 Speaker 14: in one of the pictures I sent you, you can

32:39 Speaker 14: see just rows of like those cans that we were

32:42 Speaker 14: sleeping in, just rose of people coming out and like

32:44 Speaker 14: looking up into the sky.

32:46 Speaker 5: I've heard different timelines of like how long it was

32:50 Speaker 5: there in the sky? Can you tell me for how

32:53 Speaker 5: long you saw it in the sky?

32:56 Speaker 14: I was outside for at least ten to fifteen minutes.

32:59 Speaker 14: I know that I wasn't outside like the whole time.

33:02 Speaker 5: Did you see when they shot flares up and they

33:05 Speaker 5: had those lumin flares? Yeah for sure.

33:08 Speaker 7: Yeah.

33:08 Speaker 6: There's one of the pictures I.

33:09 Speaker 14: Sent you there's flares in the sky with the lights

33:11 Speaker 14: behind it.

33:12 Speaker 5: One of the kids he goes, you could see a shape,

33:15 Speaker 5: he said about it not just being lights, but seeing

33:20 Speaker 5: like the shape of a body of a craft. Did

33:22 Speaker 5: you see that?

33:24 Speaker 7: Yeah?

33:24 Speaker 6: Yeah, it just they were stagnant.

33:27 Speaker 14: They weren't moving. They were very in place. That's what

33:31 Speaker 14: was so weird to us is that it was just

33:32 Speaker 14: kind of just like there.

33:35 Speaker 5: Did they drop like flares, did they descend like flares?

33:38 Speaker 5: Or did it stay and hover and play?

33:40 Speaker 14: No, not at all. That's not what these lights were doing.

33:44 Speaker 14: The lights were pretty stagnant in the sky and not

33:47 Speaker 14: moving anywhere.

33:49 Speaker 2: Size.

33:50 Speaker 14: If you had to guess, it was a big object.

33:53 Speaker 14: Whatever it was, it was, it had some mass to it.

33:56 Speaker 14: It wasn't just you know, some freaking small and thing

34:00 Speaker 14: flying in this guy. I mean, with the distance and stuff,

34:04 Speaker 14: it could have been as big as a freaking football field.

34:06 Speaker 5: Honestly, was this like something you've ever seen before?

34:12 Speaker 2: No?

34:14 Speaker 15: Were those a lance corporal poems at Campbellton without knowing

34:21 Speaker 15: any of in the media.

34:23 Speaker 5: Corporal it's going on a.

34:25 Speaker 1: Lance corporal is granted? You want to take this one?

34:31 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm having to look it up right now. It's uh, well,

34:35 Speaker 3: it's equivalent to a private first class equivalent. Yes, so

34:41 Speaker 3: what is it?

34:42 Speaker 1: It's a Marine Corps.

34:44 Speaker 4: Commission It's yeah, but it's but it's not a It's like.

34:50 Speaker 2: Is it you know how that's E one E two,

34:52 Speaker 2: E three what what number it's not.

34:56 Speaker 4: It's three, not a non commissioned officer. It's below a

34:59 Speaker 4: cor which is considered a non commissioned officer. I guess

35:03 Speaker 4: in the Marine Corps, I mean an E four would

35:05 Speaker 4: be considered, you know, just a specialist. In the Army,

35:08 Speaker 4: it wouldn't be considered a non commission officer. And then

35:10 Speaker 4: it looks like E five is sergeant, same as the Army,

35:13 Speaker 4: so it goes, yeah, goes private private first class, and

35:17 Speaker 4: then lance corporal E three, corporal E four, and then

35:21 Speaker 4: sergeant E five.

35:23 Speaker 2: So yeah, so he wasn't a sergeant. He wasn't a sergeant,

35:27 Speaker 2: but I mean he he had been promoted at least

35:29 Speaker 2: twice at this point.

35:31 Speaker 4: Yeah, but I mean those are automatic promotions. Not saying

35:34 Speaker 4: anything about the guy, just those are automatic with time.

35:37 Speaker 2: So he's an E three, he's an E three.

35:39 Speaker 4: But in the Marine Corps they do have like a

35:41 Speaker 4: different structure, they have a different culture where I think

35:44 Speaker 4: a lance corporal and E three it's like they have

35:47 Speaker 4: power over the E two s and the E ones.

35:49 Speaker 4: I think that's how they do it to kind of

35:51 Speaker 4: like much stronger non commissioned officer corps from like the beginning,

35:56 Speaker 4: they start giving responsibility earlier, whereas the Army, if you're

35:58 Speaker 4: an E three you're nobody, you know, right.

36:01 Speaker 1: I think it's kind in the Marine corps just above

36:07 Speaker 1: private first class and below corporal. Uh, it's the most

36:11 Speaker 1: commonly held rank in the Marine, and it's the highest

36:17 Speaker 1: one that you get hold as a marine without being

36:21 Speaker 1: like he said, an NCO non commissioned officer. So yeah,

36:26 Speaker 1: just to add some context.

36:28 Speaker 4: School, Yeah, yeah, that's the most common. Heck, that's like

36:31 Speaker 4: low paid too. That's that's kind of depressing.

36:33 Speaker 3: That's the most common because like in the Army, once

36:36 Speaker 3: you reach E four, you know, they call it like

36:38 Speaker 3: sham specialists, you know, where once you get to E four,

36:40 Speaker 3: Like I've known guys you know that were E four

36:43 Speaker 3: for you know, ten years. You know, it's like ephours.

36:47 Speaker 4: Seems to be like the rank where you know, you

36:48 Speaker 4: get to and you're just kind of like you can

36:50 Speaker 4: kind of tread water at you know, for years and years.

36:53 Speaker 4: But I guess their most common is E three because

36:55 Speaker 4: of that, you know, they make it where it's earlier.

36:58 Speaker 4: The adoption of like, you know, responsibility, which I think

37:01 Speaker 4: is cool, that builds but you know that builds better leaders.

37:06 Speaker 2: Okay, that's all I wanted to find out what was thank.

37:09 Speaker 5: You, you know what night at Campbellson without knowing any of

37:17 Speaker 5: the hubbub in the media right now that's going on.

37:21 Speaker 5: You know what night I'm referring to, right, Yes, sir.

37:25 Speaker 6: I do.

37:26 Speaker 5: In twenty twenty one, twentieth of April. You were there, Yes,

37:32 Speaker 5: I was. You know exactly what I'm asking about, don't you.

37:36 Speaker 15: I know the exact date because I remember when the

37:39 Speaker 15: helicopters started taken off and they were flying jets all

37:42 Speaker 15: over the base, all sporadically.

37:44 Speaker 12: Shortly after all that happened.

37:46 Speaker 5: Okay, and is that your voice in the video that

37:49 Speaker 5: says you can see a shape?

37:51 Speaker 15: Yes, sir, I already know which video you're talking about.

37:55 Speaker 15: We were all ran outside seeing what it was. At first,

37:58 Speaker 15: of course, we all thought it was squayres, but don't stay.

38:00 Speaker 12: Up in the air that long.

38:02 Speaker 15: They were in like a triangular shape and they were

38:04 Speaker 15: just holding that pattern for a long time. You can

38:07 Speaker 15: kind of see an outline of something, but we weren't

38:10 Speaker 15: sure what it was.

38:11 Speaker 12: It just looked like something I've never seen. It was

38:15 Speaker 12: very odd.

38:16 Speaker 5: Why, well, when.

38:19 Speaker 12: A flare gets shot up.

38:20 Speaker 15: I mean, it leaves a trail, and it's also being parachuted.

38:24 Speaker 12: So it doesn't sit in the same spot.

38:27 Speaker 15: For a very long period of time and the light

38:29 Speaker 15: dims down. That light was there for a very long time.

38:34 Speaker 5: How long.

38:36 Speaker 12: I can't remember precisely how long it was.

38:39 Speaker 5: Like approximate was it five minutes? Was it an hour?

38:43 Speaker 15: I remember we were all out there probably for about

38:46 Speaker 15: a good thirty minutes looking at it, which, like I said,

38:49 Speaker 15: which makes no.

38:50 Speaker 8: Sense to me if it would be a flare because

38:52 Speaker 8: a flare is continuously fall.

38:55 Speaker 2: Well that was another reference to thirty minutes.

39:00 Speaker 1: So that is our second, right.

39:03 Speaker 3: Like, can you go back and play that?

39:05 Speaker 2: And we see no, no, look at the quote. Look

39:07 Speaker 2: at the quote. Look at the quote.

39:08 Speaker 1: We can't. We can play it. So and everything in

39:16 Speaker 1: purple is or or I'm a little colorblind, it's purple

39:19 Speaker 1: or blue. Anything that isn't that is, Jeremy, anything in

39:23 Speaker 1: white or gray is the marine was.

39:27 Speaker 12: There a very long time?

39:30 Speaker 5: How long?

39:32 Speaker 12: I can't remember precisely how.

39:34 Speaker 7: Long it was?

39:36 Speaker 1: So what so he says, I don't know how long

39:41 Speaker 1: it was there.

39:42 Speaker 5: Like approximate was it five minutes? Was it an hour.

39:46 Speaker 15: I remember we were all out there probably for about

39:48 Speaker 15: a good thirty minutes looking at it.

39:51 Speaker 1: He distinguishes that he was looking at it for thirty minutes,

39:58 Speaker 1: So again, there could be some fluff.

40:04 Speaker 3: I think.

40:05 Speaker 1: I'm sure that. I'm sure they had to stop watch,

40:09 Speaker 1: you know, and time the event. Actually I wish someone

40:15 Speaker 1: would have because that would have been really cool.

40:18 Speaker 4: And uh, taken a video longer than thirty six seconds.

40:21 Speaker 4: That would have been nice.

40:22 Speaker 6: You know.

40:23 Speaker 2: Yes, I agree the reason that the videos were short.

40:28 Speaker 2: Hold on the reason the videos were short, according to

40:31 Speaker 2: the witnesses, is because they're switching between taking low light

40:34 Speaker 2: photos and taking videos. That's that's the explanation.

40:38 Speaker 3: For cell phones. In that picture earlier, we're all switching.

40:42 Speaker 2: Well, I hope we get more video.

40:44 Speaker 3: They were all constantly switching between. I'm saying, like, I

40:48 Speaker 3: don't know.

40:49 Speaker 2: That's just the explanation that was given. That was the

40:52 Speaker 2: explanation given.

40:53 Speaker 4: On Facebook trying to find any you know, public photos

40:56 Speaker 4: from you know, people that were there, you know, and

40:59 Speaker 4: I guess you know, they have their profiles lockdown or something,

41:02 Speaker 4: because I couldn't find any you know, back in the day. Yeah,

41:06 Speaker 4: I don't have their facebooks locked down like that, you

41:08 Speaker 4: could find photos. You know, nowadays you can't find anything

41:11 Speaker 4: unless you know somebody, unless you're friends with them.

41:14 Speaker 8: Right, which makes those sense to me. If it would

41:17 Speaker 8: be a flare, because the flare is continuously falling, you'll

41:21 Speaker 8: see that smoke. There's a parachute attached to them, so

41:24 Speaker 8: they slow down while they fall, and you didn't.

41:29 Speaker 15: You couldn't see a parachute on them. Even if they

41:31 Speaker 15: were zoomed in. They weren't moving.

41:34 Speaker 12: It wasn't even.

41:35 Speaker 15: Burning like a burning kind of light, because you know,

41:38 Speaker 15: a flayer's combustion.

41:40 Speaker 5: I have a video where afterwards these loom flares go

41:44 Speaker 5: up and they look very different, like they're falling and they.

41:48 Speaker 12: Yeah, it's jurassically different from what we saw.

41:51 Speaker 5: Your adamant that these were not flares, Yes, sir, And

41:58 Speaker 5: is it because of the proximity to you, the color

42:00 Speaker 5: of them, not seeing descent, not seeing smoke. Why are

42:04 Speaker 5: these not flares?

42:06 Speaker 15: The smoke de scent, like I said, the flares of

42:10 Speaker 15: combustion light, So it's kind of flickering the entire time.

42:15 Speaker 15: And then those lights weren't flickering this like just bite

42:18 Speaker 15: just they they're like perfect orbs and a triangle.

42:23 Speaker 5: You're saying that with normal flares that I assume you've

42:26 Speaker 5: seen a lot of in your military career, right, yes, sir, Okay,

42:31 Speaker 5: so this doesn't look like any flare that you've ever seen.

42:34 Speaker 12: I have not seen a flare like that in my

42:37 Speaker 12: military career.

42:39 Speaker 15: It looks like it was illuminated, like from a bulb

42:42 Speaker 15: or some other stores it.

42:44 Speaker 5: What was the color that you kind of saw compared

42:46 Speaker 5: to like loom flares or something. Was it different in color?

42:51 Speaker 2: I just want to that's an important point that he

42:53 Speaker 2: was making, is that they weren't flickering and they weren't

42:56 Speaker 2: like a like a burning from a flare.

43:01 Speaker 7: What.

43:02 Speaker 4: Yeah, because he was farther away from them, Like when

43:04 Speaker 4: you're farther away, they don't look they don't look like

43:06 Speaker 4: they're flickering. At least that's my experience. That's what my

43:08 Speaker 4: experience is personally. You know, farther away, you don't notice

43:11 Speaker 4: the flickering. It's just I mean, I can't explain it,

43:14 Speaker 4: just the way it is. And then when you're closer

43:16 Speaker 4: you can see more of the flickering. That's or if

43:18 Speaker 4: it's a really powerful flare, you can see the flickering.

43:21 Speaker 4: But IR flares are not very powerful in the visible spectrum.

43:25 Speaker 3: They're not going to be flickering.

43:26 Speaker 2: Invisible on this visible spectrum. That's what IR flares are. Invisible,

43:31 Speaker 2: according to the manufacturer. That is my direct source.

43:37 Speaker 4: I mean, you're not even read like, you're not even

43:39 Speaker 4: quoting the manufacturer correctly because it said nearly invisible.

43:44 Speaker 3: So that's not entirely invisible. You're you know, you're leaving

43:49 Speaker 3: out a word there.

43:50 Speaker 2: Words you know, virtually invisible to the naked eye.

43:57 Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's that's incorrect, and.

44:00 Speaker 2: We can bring it up later. We can't hear you, ty.

44:07 Speaker 1: I said, we don't have to get hung up on

44:10 Speaker 1: that just right now.

44:11 Speaker 2: Let's finish this.

44:14 Speaker 3: We're hung up on it. Man. We're like like.

44:17 Speaker 1: Yes, it's probably the longest show I've done in a

44:22 Speaker 1: long time.

44:24 Speaker 3: I mean, we can go on and you know, to

44:27 Speaker 3: con right, it's a conceit.

44:32 Speaker 12: Like that in my military career.

44:34 Speaker 3: I'm here.

44:35 Speaker 12: It looks like it was an illuminated.

44:37 Speaker 1: Fight somebody, this guy, and I just want to put

44:40 Speaker 1: this out that he said he is out of the

44:43 Speaker 1: Marine Corps. Now I know it's you know, once and

44:46 Speaker 1: always a marine, but he is a not active marine

44:50 Speaker 1: at this point. Whether he did four years or not,

44:53 Speaker 1: we don't, I get, I don't know. But so in

44:58 Speaker 1: his whole military career he did not see anything like

45:01 Speaker 1: that is his uh, that's his testimony, at least the Jeremy.

45:08 Speaker 3: That's anecdotal, you know, Yeah.

45:10 Speaker 1: I would agree.

45:15 Speaker 12: From a bulb or some other source.

45:18 Speaker 5: What was the color that you kind of saw compared

45:21 Speaker 5: to like loom flares or something. Was it different in color?

45:25 Speaker 8: I mean, we have some flareres, we have red flares,

45:28 Speaker 8: but that was like a reddish orange color. Those lives

45:31 Speaker 8: were with like a hant of yellow around it. We

45:34 Speaker 8: don't have players that are like that color, Like the

45:37 Speaker 8: red flayers are like a blood red color, but very bright.

45:42 Speaker 5: And if you had to approximate the size, what would

45:46 Speaker 5: the size of what you're seeing? How big was that.

45:48 Speaker 15: For to be that pronounced from that distance? I mean

45:52 Speaker 15: it had to be pretty large.

45:54 Speaker 5: So a lot of people are saying, what you know, well,

45:57 Speaker 5: that that's just a normal training exercise. Aren't there always

46:00 Speaker 5: training exercises on that base?

46:03 Speaker 15: Yes, sir, Before any big deployment, a Marine infantry unit

46:06 Speaker 15: will train on that base.

46:08 Speaker 5: Let me ask you this I was told that right

46:11 Speaker 5: after there was a pretty massive response, you know, sixty

46:15 Speaker 5: five time vehicles, Humbi's helicopters that went to like eleven

46:19 Speaker 5: thirty at night. Were you witnessed to that as well, Yes, sir,

46:23 Speaker 5: I was. Do you think that was in direct response

46:26 Speaker 5: to what you saw?

46:28 Speaker 12: I believe.

46:29 Speaker 5: So what do you think they were doing?

46:33 Speaker 15: I think they were just surveying, maybe trying to keep

46:35 Speaker 15: anything away from us, seeing what's out there, and the

46:40 Speaker 15: same thing, they had jets fired up and they were

46:43 Speaker 15: feeling full blast in that direction.

46:47 Speaker 3: Zoom.

46:47 Speaker 5: Do you think it was a craft?

46:51 Speaker 12: Honestly, sir, I dud. It looked like it was observing

46:57 Speaker 12: just that there and just watched us. That's what it

46:59 Speaker 12: felt like.

47:00 Speaker 5: Can you just explain that to me?

47:01 Speaker 16: So I understand, Well, like in our line of work,

47:07 Speaker 16: if we were gonna do recon on our enemy or something,

47:11 Speaker 16: we would take a high advantage point where we could

47:13 Speaker 16: see it base and we would plan.

47:14 Speaker 15: It out after like a while of just now it's

47:19 Speaker 15: just even more just we know it wasn't players because

47:23 Speaker 15: we talked about.

47:23 Speaker 12: It a lot that night.

47:24 Speaker 15: It just felt like if it was something not from here,

47:30 Speaker 15: that's what they were.

47:30 Speaker 4: Doing yeah, because an attack followed, right, How does.

47:34 Speaker 5: That make you feel?

47:38 Speaker 1: Kind of I don't know how to sorry, are you

47:42 Speaker 1: guys saying something.

47:44 Speaker 3: Oh nothing, I was giving color commentary.

47:47 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, is trying to discredit the witnesses as they were.

47:51 Speaker 3: Talking and discredits himself.

47:56 Speaker 2: I think this guy sounds very sincere.

48:02 Speaker 3: Confirmation bise drug.

48:04 Speaker 1: You know, I'm not saying that that is a testament

48:07 Speaker 1: to it credibility or anything like that, but you know,

48:11 Speaker 1: he sounds like he's a very humble person. Sir, Yes,

48:14 Speaker 1: sir uh, even when speaking to someone like Jeremy so uh,

48:20 Speaker 1: you know, I I'm I will just say this, the evidence,

48:28 Speaker 1: other evidence that we've seen to date, right to date,

48:33 Speaker 1: as in in this episode, kind of has leaned. I

48:38 Speaker 1: would say more in if you were to bring it

48:41 Speaker 1: into a court case. I think there's enough to say

48:44 Speaker 1: that something's going on or something weird happens.

48:48 Speaker 3: But the testimony and not like I've got ten minutes.

48:56 Speaker 1: Exactly. So that's what I wanted to make clear. Is

49:00 Speaker 1: it very much seems right now three hours in that

49:04 Speaker 1: we have had a long, arduous battle about the videos

49:09 Speaker 1: and the witness testimony, but that is the main evidence

49:14 Speaker 1: that I would say that is the main evidence to

49:16 Speaker 1: the case. Now what the response was from the d

49:19 Speaker 1: D and the spokesperson of the d D and all that. Yes,

49:27 Speaker 1: we're just going in a linear way, and you're right,

49:31 Speaker 1: we haven't got to the meat of your evidence. So

49:36 Speaker 1: I want to make sure we have like literally one

49:38 Speaker 1: minute left, so let's just play.

49:41 Speaker 15: I feel like I've known about it, and it's just

49:44 Speaker 15: like I felt like we've just been getting lied to

49:46 Speaker 15: for a long time about it, and now that I

49:50 Speaker 15: saw that, it kind of just you know, confirmed it

49:54 Speaker 15: for me, at least to myself.

49:56 Speaker 1: It did, so it confirmed it at least to himself.

50:04 Speaker 1: Now he doesn't sound like he cares what anyone thinks. Now, Uh,

50:10 Speaker 1: whether that means anything anybody is a different story. So Arthur,

50:18 Speaker 1: thank you for for supplying, you know, and thank you

50:23 Speaker 1: Jeremy and everyone who was able to put together all that.

50:30 Speaker 1: For now, I do want to give a chance for

50:32 Speaker 1: Grider to pull up some of the documents that show

50:39 Speaker 1: or say that this was a training exercise.

50:43 Speaker 4: Well, first, I mean, it's actually my uh my dinner

50:47 Speaker 4: is done. So Arthur, do you have anything else you

50:49 Speaker 4: want to do? You want to go into the susan

50:51 Speaker 4: go thing or anything like that. I'll let you have

50:52 Speaker 4: carte blanche.

50:53 Speaker 2: While sure, well, why don't you share my.

50:58 Speaker 3: Eye out by the you know, like I'm like, I

51:00 Speaker 3: make it so angry, I'll choke on my taco and

51:02 Speaker 3: like that'll be it. Man, you'll win, you know, like,

51:04 Speaker 3: who knows?

51:06 Speaker 2: Can't you share my screen there?

51:13 Speaker 3: All right?

51:14 Speaker 2: So these are my main arguments that I want writer

51:18 Speaker 2: to respond to. So number one, two military witnesses said

51:23 Speaker 2: that the five light formation lasted thirty minutes, and there's

51:27 Speaker 2: no known flare that lasts even close to that long.

51:30 Speaker 2: So that was something that they kept saying over and

51:33 Speaker 2: over again that it was lasting too long. Players don't

51:36 Speaker 2: last that long. Thirty minutes is a really long time.

51:39 Speaker 3: We've been over this, so haven't we, like, haven't we

51:42 Speaker 3: gone over this already? Do you think?

51:46 Speaker 15: Well?

51:47 Speaker 2: Okay? So going on to number two, the military witness

51:51 Speaker 2: and witnesses in the videos could not identify what they

51:54 Speaker 2: were seeing, even though they were trained with the use

51:56 Speaker 2: of flares. So the witnesses on the ground they're at night,

52:00 Speaker 2: who are trained in the use of flares, you could

52:04 Speaker 2: hear it in their immediate response that they could not

52:07 Speaker 2: identify what they were seeing, and I wanted to get

52:10 Speaker 2: writer's explanation for that eventually.

52:12 Speaker 1: Okay.

52:14 Speaker 2: Number three, the five like formation can remain mostly stationary

52:18 Speaker 2: and did not descend, according to the witnesses, showing some

52:21 Speaker 2: showing positive lift, which is one of the five observables.

52:25 Speaker 2: So you could hear the witnesses say over and over

52:27 Speaker 2: again that they weren't falling, they were just kind of

52:30 Speaker 2: hovering and staying in the same location. Number four five.

52:34 Speaker 1: Low visibility is also I think we talked about it

52:37 Speaker 1: in the podcast that low visibility is also part of that. Yes,

52:45 Speaker 1: I don't I don't really like that Lou included low

52:49 Speaker 1: observability because I think that's kind of like, yeah, well, it.

52:54 Speaker 2: Can mean a lot of things that could be disappearing

52:56 Speaker 2: from radar. It could be stealth technology, it's just something

52:59 Speaker 2: that's causing have low visibility. And it could be you know, cloaking,

53:03 Speaker 2: it could be shifting into another dimension. We don't really know.

53:06 Speaker 2: But the witnesses did say that it just vanished, it

53:09 Speaker 2: didn't fly away in some direction.

53:11 Speaker 1: Or you know, and in the camera at one point

53:16 Speaker 1: it disappears, Yes, yes.

53:20 Speaker 17: Session tinker Bell taking them and never never land too, Like,

53:23 Speaker 17: I mean, we're talking about all possibilities there, right, just

53:29 Speaker 17: that one, right, so hard to argue against, Like when

53:33 Speaker 17: you know the it's like there's so many pots, Like

53:35 Speaker 17: when all those pots like cloaking and all that, Like

53:37 Speaker 17: how am I even supposed to like answered, Like how

53:39 Speaker 17: am I supposed to answer to that? Like it's a

53:42 Speaker 17: great move, by the way, but like I have like

53:44 Speaker 17: I have no answer for that, Like how could I

53:47 Speaker 17: possibly answered something?

53:48 Speaker 5: Theory?

53:48 Speaker 2: Well, that wasn't That's not one of my points here.

53:51 Speaker 2: So number four, the five light formation didn't randomly drift apart,

53:55 Speaker 2: but stayed in a formation like that V formation, and

53:59 Speaker 2: the behaviors inconsistent with parachute flares, which are chaotically drift

54:04 Speaker 2: in the wind. So we have like at least a

54:06 Speaker 2: thirty six second clip that I think that's the longest

54:09 Speaker 2: clip we have. And if you compare a thirty six

54:14 Speaker 2: second clip of flares, you'll see them moving and drifting

54:19 Speaker 2: in different directions, while this, you know, didn't do that

54:22 Speaker 2: at all. So five, according to my analysis of the

54:26 Speaker 2: Foyer photos, there's strong evidence evidence of fraud. So that's

54:31 Speaker 2: something I'm going to have to get into the details

54:32 Speaker 2: with that's pre technical, but we can we can go there.

54:35 Speaker 2: But essentially I have uncovered what I am claiming is

54:39 Speaker 2: evidence of fraud and evidence of a pre bunking operation

54:43 Speaker 2: by the do D in arrow number six.

54:47 Speaker 4: Hold on, so you're like a whistleblower, is what you're saying.

54:50 Speaker 4: That's my speciality. All right, we're gonna take it day. Actually,

54:54 Speaker 4: I'm kind of want to go to your side now,

54:55 Speaker 4: I kind of want to back you up now.

54:59 Speaker 2: Yeah, Umber six, There's no way that within twenty four

55:04 Speaker 2: hours of weaponized publishing this story, that Susan Go, who

55:10 Speaker 2: is infamous, would have time to conduct an investigation, get

55:14 Speaker 2: statements from twenty nine Base Range Control, and issue a

55:18 Speaker 2: statement for John Greenwall to publish denying that this was

55:21 Speaker 2: a UAP event. You're not going to both collect data

55:24 Speaker 2: and then get approved to publish it to the public

55:27 Speaker 2: within twenty four hours. That nothing like that moves that

55:30 Speaker 2: fast in the government. I did work in the government,

55:32 Speaker 2: so you know I can nothing moves that fast.

55:37 Speaker 4: She seemed like she had like Susan is nagging you

55:40 Speaker 4: if like you're like a military colonel or whatever, and

55:42 Speaker 4: Susan Go is like nagging you on the phone for

55:44 Speaker 4: an entire morning. You don't think you would expedite things

55:46 Speaker 4: to get her to you know.

55:48 Speaker 2: Why would it be a priority, Why would this be

55:51 Speaker 2: a priority for the for the military.

55:53 Speaker 3: Oh, what's up? All right? All right? I can't Oh

55:57 Speaker 3: why you dude? Like, oh like Beauty and the Beast.

55:59 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, Hm, she.

56:02 Speaker 9: Is quite nice, pretty nice.

56:07 Speaker 1: Yeah, I have I have a girlfriend there. I just

56:11 Speaker 1: very beautiful of the.

56:13 Speaker 3: Ocean, I know, super sweet.

56:15 Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, so let's get back and then and

56:18 Speaker 4: then you bring on artists and Tony like after that

56:20 Speaker 4: it's like, you know, Beauty and the Beast right there.

56:22 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, artists and Tony. You're wrong about these flares?

56:28 Speaker 10: Uh?

56:29 Speaker 2: About these being flares?

56:30 Speaker 7: Okay?

56:31 Speaker 2: So number seven? Yeah, number seven. According to military witness,

56:36 Speaker 2: the color of the flat five light formation was not

56:39 Speaker 2: consistent with the flares they'd been exposed to in their service. So, uh,

56:43 Speaker 2: they described what they witnessed as a yell as, let's see,

56:48 Speaker 2: reddish orange is what they witnessed of the five light formation,

56:52 Speaker 2: And he's saying they don't have reddish orange flares, And.

56:59 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, what I thought the reddish orange flares were

57:06 Speaker 1: the ones that we know.

57:08 Speaker 4: I have like seventy videos ready to go, or I've

57:11 Speaker 4: got them piled out on my screen.

57:13 Speaker 3: Rad I don't mean the colors.

57:16 Speaker 2: No, this is just if if you did. If we

57:18 Speaker 2: go back to the witnesses, one of them was describing

57:21 Speaker 2: the colors and talking about the colors of right.

57:25 Speaker 1: Right, I thought the orange and yellow worlds.

57:28 Speaker 4: Orange flares, white flares, purple flares, blue flares. There's all

57:33 Speaker 4: different types of flares, all different colors.

57:35 Speaker 2: He says there that usually they're yellow white. That is

57:38 Speaker 2: the typical color color, yellow white, and these are reddish orange.

57:45 Speaker 3: Yeah, they're amber, they're illoone. But when they're infrared, infrared

57:49 Speaker 3: is more of a white color and it's extremely faint.

57:52 Speaker 2: No, infrared is red. It's very dark red. If you're

57:55 Speaker 2: gonna see the visible part of it.

57:58 Speaker 4: Actually, infrared is more purple than anything, if you like. Yeah,

58:01 Speaker 4: infrared no shows up as like it's like a very

58:04 Speaker 4: faint like white, but it's really purple.

58:06 Speaker 2: But it I mean, I have an infrared flashlight. I

58:09 Speaker 2: know what infrared looks.

58:11 Speaker 3: What the visit Well, I guess I okay, I get

58:15 Speaker 3: you all right?

58:17 Speaker 2: Anyway, Anyway, finishing off number seven, the lights didn't flicker

58:24 Speaker 2: like a typical chemical flare burns. So those are my

58:27 Speaker 2: seven points. Sorry, there my seven points, and Grid, I

58:33 Speaker 2: would honestly like to see you respond in writing to

58:36 Speaker 2: each one of these. I'd appreciate that. But if you

58:39 Speaker 2: want to, if you want to respond to any of

58:41 Speaker 2: these right now, go ahead.

58:49 Speaker 4: Hours going over the witness testimony and like so like

58:52 Speaker 4: I'm going to address that. And yeah, I mean I

58:57 Speaker 4: think that I've already addressed most of those points, like don't.

59:00 Speaker 3: You think ty? I think, yeah, we've been the past

59:03 Speaker 3: couple of hours, with the exception of maybe talk about

59:12 Speaker 3: but like that's and then the Susan.

59:16 Speaker 1: Go thing, I mean, yeah, pre you both.

59:19 Speaker 4: How can I possibly know how like why Susan Go

59:22 Speaker 4: got that done so fast? I would think, you know,

59:24 Speaker 4: maybe because it was easy because it was obvious, like

59:27 Speaker 4: what the you know, what the event like.

59:30 Speaker 3: Was, what was going on was easy.

59:34 Speaker 4: I mean, it's easy. I'm I'm about to show you.

59:36 Speaker 4: Just give me a second to gather my.

59:38 Speaker 1: Thoughts, hold right, and I do want to a.

59:42 Speaker 3: Minute and a half to get my screen set up.

59:45 Speaker 1: Okay, And what I think he's trying to go with

59:49 Speaker 1: here is that uh I think he's right, so number one.

59:55 Speaker 1: Two military witnesses said the five like forma should lasted

59:58 Speaker 1: thirty minutes. No non flair ask even close to that long.

1:00:01 Speaker 1: He agrees that players don't. He is saying that we

1:00:05 Speaker 1: don't have, uh, the actual information or data to suggest

1:00:11 Speaker 1: other than the witness testimony that this event took place

1:00:16 Speaker 1: for that long. Uh. The military witnesses in the video

1:00:19 Speaker 1: could not identify what they were seeing, even though they

1:00:22 Speaker 1: are trained with the use of flares, Even though they

1:00:25 Speaker 1: were trained with the use of flares that are shot

1:00:30 Speaker 1: from uh what like he said from terrain. He said

1:00:38 Speaker 1: that he even didn't work with the ones. These are marines,

1:00:42 Speaker 1: they're not the air Force, so these would be different

1:00:45 Speaker 1: people dropping they do they do? They do? So, I mean,

1:00:54 Speaker 1: I guess it could have been them, That is possible.

1:00:57 Speaker 7: But.

1:00:59 Speaker 1: So than what we have the five light formation, this

1:01:03 Speaker 1: is mine. The five light formation remained mostly stationary and

1:01:06 Speaker 1: did not descend, according to witnesses, showing positive lift. In

1:01:11 Speaker 1: all the videos that we see, all the pictures that

1:01:13 Speaker 1: we see, we see a mostly you could draw a

1:01:18 Speaker 1: line through them, and no matter what video, it seems

1:01:25 Speaker 1: that they're at the same distance from each other and

1:01:31 Speaker 1: you can't. I'm so pissed that Jeremy didn't ask about

1:01:34 Speaker 1: altitude because that would help us in this sense. But

1:01:41 Speaker 1: the videos never show wavering like flares would, at least

1:01:48 Speaker 1: in my the videos that we've seen of other flares,

1:01:53 Speaker 1: they seem like they kind of they don't stay in

1:01:56 Speaker 1: formation for for for longer than a couple seconds at most.

1:02:00 Speaker 1: So how did these in a thirty six second video

1:02:06 Speaker 1: stay in such a hard formation? Is this some sort

1:02:09 Speaker 1: of advanced technology? Are they were? They? Were they training

1:02:15 Speaker 1: and deploying advanced new technology that could be also something

1:02:21 Speaker 1: that we haven't taken into consideration. Who knows. So I

1:02:28 Speaker 1: was just kind of bantering waiting for the gay sets, like,

1:02:32 Speaker 1: could this be some sort of dark pertest of new

1:02:36 Speaker 1: illuomin arounds? It's very I guess it's safe to say so.

1:02:40 Speaker 1: But the five Marines that came forward, their testimony says otherwise,

1:02:48 Speaker 1: says that this thing, from their eyes, looked to have

1:02:51 Speaker 1: structure and that it was not flares. It seemed like

1:02:56 Speaker 1: each one of them wanted to make that very clear.

1:03:00 Speaker 2: Yes, they're emphatic about that, and they didn't drift apart.

1:03:07 Speaker 2: That's another important thing that I mean they seem to

1:03:09 Speaker 2: stay in a cluster. You know, you don't see them

1:03:12 Speaker 2: like going, you know, laterally as they drift, And if

1:03:16 Speaker 2: you watch videos of flares, they kind of float all

1:03:19 Speaker 2: around in all different directions and they don't stay in

1:03:23 Speaker 2: it tight cluster like that for thirty seconds, not even

1:03:27 Speaker 2: for thirty seconds, let alone thirty minutes.

1:03:31 Speaker 1: Well, this is an interesting video. I don't know where

1:03:33 Speaker 1: Grider is, but I'm just gonna play it because I'm like, huh,

1:03:40 Speaker 1: I don't know if this is flares, but I'd love

1:03:42 Speaker 1: to hear him talk about it.

1:03:46 Speaker 4: Yeah, if it is, because I'm still setting up the

1:03:49 Speaker 4: documents to where I can easily just you know where

1:03:51 Speaker 4: this can be quick.

1:03:52 Speaker 1: But can you go to the hold on? Is this

1:03:54 Speaker 1: are these flares?

1:03:57 Speaker 4: I don't know what you're looking at right now. Oh,

1:04:02 Speaker 4: if you go to the media thread, I set up

1:04:04 Speaker 4: like a compilation, a side by side compilation.

1:04:07 Speaker 3: If you can go to.

1:04:09 Speaker 4: Uh where see go to number seventeen, and if you

1:04:13 Speaker 4: can just play that, and if you can change the

1:04:15 Speaker 4: speed to half speed, because I put it on two

1:04:19 Speaker 4: time speed, so yeah, if you can change it to

1:04:24 Speaker 4: half speed, and then that'll play at normal speed and

1:04:27 Speaker 4: that'll be two minutes worth of Flare is dropping. That's

1:04:29 Speaker 4: four different yeah, four different like verified Flare incidents. And

1:04:35 Speaker 4: then by the time that's done, Yeah, so just change

1:04:37 Speaker 4: it to half speed.

1:04:40 Speaker 1: Yep, got it. I just changed it over. So I

1:04:45 Speaker 1: just wanted to make sure that it was full speed

1:04:50 Speaker 1: because it plays like.

1:04:51 Speaker 2: Explain to me what we're looking at. Are these four

1:04:54 Speaker 2: separate incidents Flare videos?

1:04:58 Speaker 3: Those are all verified Flare videos that I found.

1:05:00 Speaker 2: Look at it, so, okay, but it's four different locations

1:05:04 Speaker 2: for different events.

1:05:05 Speaker 4: Correct for different videos guarantee players.

1:05:26 Speaker 1: Okay, so that metal one is staying information.

1:05:31 Speaker 2: It seemed like the left one cut out and came back.

1:05:39 Speaker 2: I can see him falling pretty clearly.

1:05:43 Speaker 1: And I don't know that that second one, the second

1:05:46 Speaker 1: one over, the second one over, does make a good case.

1:05:53 Speaker 1: It does look very similar.

1:05:57 Speaker 2: You could make the argument that something could last five

1:06:00 Speaker 2: seven minutes long, but not ten to thirty minutes.

1:06:04 Speaker 1: You see you see this one, right? Yeah?

1:06:05 Speaker 3: Right, there's no thirty minute video though, I do.

1:06:10 Speaker 1: Do you see this one? This one? I do look

1:06:15 Speaker 1: one too?

1:06:15 Speaker 3: Is you were of anybody?

1:06:20 Speaker 5: Yeah?

1:06:20 Speaker 3: Hey, can you turn the sound down?

1:06:21 Speaker 4: That was like it was yeah, that was capturing my

1:06:24 Speaker 4: set like I was doing, I was talking in a space.

1:06:26 Speaker 1: During that you decided you half speed?

1:06:30 Speaker 4: Yeah, because it's half speed because like I was speaking

1:06:32 Speaker 4: at half speed in the space. I mean, because I

1:06:35 Speaker 4: was speaking at full speed in the spaces. But the

1:06:37 Speaker 4: videos were at double speed, so I would have to

1:06:40 Speaker 4: spent so much time, you know, recording them. Okay, all right,

1:06:45 Speaker 4: so I'm ready whenever you guys are, I mean, just

1:06:47 Speaker 4: after the video gets done, let me know.

1:06:51 Speaker 2: Oh it's like John Greenwald unblocked, mean is starting to

1:06:58 Speaker 2: talk smack back at me.

1:07:01 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah.

1:07:05 Speaker 4: Some something to note too is just beware of anybody

1:07:07 Speaker 4: that's kind of turn that sound down, turn that sound

1:07:11 Speaker 4: off please. Why is because I'm talking in the space.

1:07:15 Speaker 4: While I was recording this with obs.

1:07:17 Speaker 1: Oh okay, I was like, I was so confused that

1:07:21 Speaker 1: what I was what I was hearing because I thought

1:07:25 Speaker 1: that whole time that that was you. Like by now,

1:07:29 Speaker 1: I guess that would have been before you probably did

1:07:33 Speaker 1: say something. This one will be here interest me too,

1:07:39 Speaker 1: because those two are staying pretty steady. But these ones

1:07:46 Speaker 1: right here that the smoke trens.

1:07:52 Speaker 3: That's probably the speed.

1:07:53 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, and then if if you look also

1:07:57 Speaker 4: if you go to the very very first posts that

1:08:00 Speaker 4: I've got.

1:08:01 Speaker 3: That one is a picture collage. And then also I've

1:08:04 Speaker 3: got a video of like an actual osprey you know,

1:08:07 Speaker 3: dropping blue too. I r flares.

1:08:10 Speaker 4: That's number six and number five it's one of the two.

1:08:14 Speaker 4: I think it's number six.

1:08:16 Speaker 7: And then.

1:08:18 Speaker 1: Yeah, and video you see the third video right now? Yeah,

1:08:27 Speaker 1: this one, the one right here, I'm circling it and

1:08:32 Speaker 1: zooming into it right now. At one point, all those

1:08:38 Speaker 1: three looked like one big giant ball of light. Do

1:08:44 Speaker 1: you think that could be something similar to what we

1:08:46 Speaker 1: saw on the binocular or the you know the picture

1:08:50 Speaker 1: he brought up earlier where it was just kind of

1:08:52 Speaker 1: one big solid ball of light.

1:08:56 Speaker 2: Because some of these are looking I could be wrong

1:09:02 Speaker 2: right here.

1:09:02 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I mean yeah, they're at different times. You know,

1:09:05 Speaker 4: it's like there's four videos that like they're at different links.

1:09:08 Speaker 3: I just have them looping because it was, you know,

1:09:10 Speaker 3: the easiest way.

1:09:11 Speaker 1: To get all this one. See this one right here, yeah,

1:09:18 Speaker 1: could that you know, the the the picture you brought

1:09:22 Speaker 1: up earlier of the the uh night vision goggle someone

1:09:27 Speaker 1: put their iPhone up.

1:09:28 Speaker 2: To it, yeah and.

1:09:35 Speaker 1: Light, Yeah, it all bled into one thing. Well, that

1:09:39 Speaker 1: this is. It looks like that's what's happening here as well.

1:09:43 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're probably right.

1:09:46 Speaker 1: So it's just interesting to see. But that is a

1:09:51 Speaker 1: I'll say.

1:09:53 Speaker 2: That's strong evidence. I'll give it to Grid's strong.

1:09:56 Speaker 1: It is strong. Many of those look very be, very

1:10:00 Speaker 1: similar to being able to hold their position. However, however, again,

1:10:12 Speaker 1: how long are those videos if you loop them? Are

1:10:16 Speaker 1: those twenty second videos as well ten second videos as well?

1:10:20 Speaker 4: I mean they were all varying links, you know, Okay,

1:10:23 Speaker 4: the longest one was two minutes.

1:10:26 Speaker 3: Yeah, because that's what I did. Is I just did

1:10:28 Speaker 3: him half.

1:10:28 Speaker 4: Yeah, because I did him half, so like the longest

1:10:30 Speaker 4: one would have Actually, no, that's not correct, right, the

1:10:34 Speaker 4: long I mean, I don't know, like you should be

1:10:35 Speaker 4: able to tell when it loops, when it goes back

1:10:38 Speaker 4: when itself right.

1:10:40 Speaker 1: Now, Okay, that doesn't matter. But so but that that,

1:10:47 Speaker 1: you know what I'm gonna point Grider, because you did

1:10:51 Speaker 1: show that a formation can be achieved. Yeah, well, what

1:11:01 Speaker 1: I was looking for specifically, is a formation being achievable,

1:11:04 Speaker 1: such as the one that we're seeing in the twenty

1:11:07 Speaker 1: nine pomps.

1:11:08 Speaker 4: Oh absolutely, yeah, I mean I've got yeah, yeah, like absolutely,

1:11:13 Speaker 4: go to Uh actually I tagged you. Hold on, go

1:11:17 Speaker 4: to my twitter, Go to my Twitter, and it's let's see.

1:11:21 Speaker 4: Go to I let's see, Go to my profile, go

1:11:25 Speaker 4: to media and then look at where is it? Okay,

1:11:35 Speaker 4: look at one o nine. It's so it's uh, okay,

1:11:40 Speaker 4: on the far left column down below, uh down, it's

1:11:43 Speaker 4: about it's right there where the monetized and it's yeah,

1:11:47 Speaker 4: just keep going, keep going, keep going, keep going.

1:11:50 Speaker 3: It'll be on the left hands.

1:11:51 Speaker 9: Keep going, keep going, keep going, keep going, keep going,

1:11:55 Speaker 9: keep going.

1:11:55 Speaker 3: Keep going going. Go go right there, one oh nine,

1:11:58 Speaker 3: click that up up up, uh one zero nine right there, Yeah,

1:12:03 Speaker 3: this is artillery. Keep in mind.

1:12:10 Speaker 7: How great.

1:12:13 Speaker 12: Is the range lap spread.

1:12:18 Speaker 16: Through five six.

1:12:20 Speaker 18: Seven six m oh ude one yah, huh.

1:12:37 Speaker 2: Light up the battlefield.

1:12:45 Speaker 1: No smoke, well, no visible smoke.

1:12:50 Speaker 2: I can see see it.

1:12:52 Speaker 1: I can start to see it.

1:12:54 Speaker 3: Something dropped by aircraft.

1:12:56 Speaker 2: Hold on, now we can see smoke, though it's.

1:12:59 Speaker 3: Pretty mean barely so yeah, barely.

1:13:03 Speaker 1: He spoke once he started like once he started it zooming.

1:13:09 Speaker 1: But you have to think in a consideration at the

1:13:13 Speaker 1: videos that we were seeing in twenty nine palms.

1:13:17 Speaker 4: Dude, that's the Phoenix pyramid. Right there man, or the

1:13:19 Speaker 4: film it's like the home.

1:13:21 Speaker 1: Phoenix, Like, right, do you think that? Let me ask

1:13:25 Speaker 1: you a.

1:13:25 Speaker 3: Question, Phoenix, do you think no? Like we're coming up

1:13:27 Speaker 3: with our own name. You know what I'm.

1:13:28 Speaker 1: Saying, Oh, gotcha, gotcha.

1:13:32 Speaker 3: Get paid, dogs paid man?

1:13:36 Speaker 1: Like do you think the field flights was a real event?

1:13:39 Speaker 1: Or now?

1:13:41 Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know. I don't want to

1:13:43 Speaker 3: get into that right now. I don't know.

1:13:46 Speaker 4: I've seen pictures where it looks like something like I

1:13:49 Speaker 4: saw in Basic, and then I've seen pictures where it

1:13:52 Speaker 4: looks like flares and oh, all right, so go down.

1:13:54 Speaker 4: And then this will be one where it's aircraft flares

1:13:57 Speaker 4: that are dropped. They look exactly alike their eye are

1:14:01 Speaker 4: are these are?

1:14:02 Speaker 7: Yeah?

1:14:03 Speaker 3: These may be IR flares.

1:14:04 Speaker 4: All right, go down and this was that nellis Nell,

1:14:07 Speaker 4: it's the red flag, and so go down until keep going,

1:14:10 Speaker 4: keep going, keep going, keep going, and keep going and

1:14:13 Speaker 4: a little bit more until you get to like the

1:14:15 Speaker 4: nuke right.

1:14:16 Speaker 3: Up up up up up up up up up.

1:14:20 Speaker 9: And then above the nuke one row, keep going, keep going,

1:14:27 Speaker 9: keep going above the nuke.

1:14:30 Speaker 3: One row above the nuke, all the way to the right,

1:14:32 Speaker 3: all the way to the right. Two of five, two

1:14:34 Speaker 3: of five down. Yeah, there you go right there.

1:14:35 Speaker 4: Now this is really interesting one. This was that Nellis

1:14:42 Speaker 4: range back in twenty twelve.

1:14:45 Speaker 1: Day this isn't twenty twelve.

1:14:49 Speaker 3: Yeah, and just wait, like.

1:14:55 Speaker 4: And you'll see the sparking that we see in the

1:14:58 Speaker 4: video for twenty nine palms in this vide and it's chaff.

1:15:01 Speaker 3: You see the sparking. That's chaff.

1:15:04 Speaker 2: What's the chef?

1:15:07 Speaker 3: You can speed the playback speed up a little bit because.

1:15:09 Speaker 2: It's a second. It's the function of chaff.

1:15:13 Speaker 3: No, no, no, don't posit. Don't posit'll pose it.

1:15:17 Speaker 4: Chaff is, uh, Chaff is like countermeasures for air to

1:15:20 Speaker 4: like keep the yeah, like as like a decoy. Chaff

1:15:24 Speaker 4: is to confuse like radar, you know, like to confuse,

1:15:29 Speaker 4: to confuse a missile if it's trying to lock on

1:15:31 Speaker 4: to you. Which flares do that too, But chaff is

1:15:35 Speaker 4: something different. Chaff is for radar like cloud seed.

1:15:40 Speaker 2: Well, I mean chaff is usually it's usually like aluminum

1:15:45 Speaker 2: foil or like pieces of aluminum.

1:15:51 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's what's being deployed. That's what those sparks are.

1:15:54 Speaker 2: Why would the aluminum foil.

1:15:57 Speaker 4: Quick deploying, of course. I mean it's probably the deployment.

1:16:03 Speaker 4: You know, the deployment is pyrotechnic of the chaff being deployed.

1:16:09 Speaker 3: It's like it's not just like let out of the

1:16:16 Speaker 3: the deployment too. I mean, I don't know, are you.

1:16:21 Speaker 1: Saying that's what all those flashes are?

1:16:24 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's chef.

1:16:25 Speaker 2: I think those are running lights from the craft from

1:16:27 Speaker 2: the aircraft, mm hmm.

1:16:32 Speaker 1: I don't know about that. It seems like there were

1:16:35 Speaker 1: too many of I think there's too many of the

1:16:38 Speaker 1: flash for them to be aircraft.

1:16:43 Speaker 4: I mean, I think it was cheff. And that's what

1:16:46 Speaker 4: somebody who I trust like that. I don't know personally,

1:16:49 Speaker 4: but somebody in the common in a forum that I'm.

1:16:51 Speaker 12: A part of.

1:16:54 Speaker 3: Trust them.

1:16:54 Speaker 1: One two three four.

1:17:01 Speaker 2: Why would they be launching chaff.

1:17:05 Speaker 4: Because that's when you train, you launch chaff too, Because

1:17:09 Speaker 4: they want to train, you know, learn how to deploy chaff.

1:17:14 Speaker 4: I guess they want to chaff it up.

1:17:16 Speaker 3: I mean.

1:17:18 Speaker 2: They're just chaffing it up up there.

1:17:21 Speaker 3: I mean how much, Yeah, chaffing it up? You know.

1:17:23 Speaker 3: All right, So here is thank you, John Greenwald.

1:17:25 Speaker 4: This is the Foyer documents from the Foyer request I

1:17:29 Speaker 4: forgot what the name of this collection of documents is,

1:17:32 Speaker 4: but I think range. Maybe it's like the Marine Air

1:17:35 Speaker 4: something control.

1:17:36 Speaker 3: Whatever.

1:17:37 Speaker 4: It's the schedule for what they were doing. This is twentieth,

1:17:41 Speaker 4: the twentieth or yeah, the twentieth of April twenty twenty one.

1:17:47 Speaker 4: Right here, we've got I highlighted. That's my highlight going

1:17:49 Speaker 4: down the middle. I also added these annotations of terms

1:17:53 Speaker 4: that I myself did not know until I looked it up.

1:17:56 Speaker 3: Right here twenty this is it. This is military time.

1:18:00 Speaker 4: I'm this highlighted area is what I you know, got

1:18:04 Speaker 4: from twenty to twenty thirty. So from eight to eight thirty.

1:18:08 Speaker 4: Right here, we've got an air delivered ground refueling going on.

1:18:11 Speaker 4: At the same time, we've got the ending of a

1:18:14 Speaker 4: forward arming and refueling point going on. And that's where

1:18:17 Speaker 4: they actually they coordinate. They create like a ground refuel

1:18:20 Speaker 4: link station out you know, and then like that way

1:18:24 Speaker 4: helicopters and you know, tilt rotor craft can land and

1:18:29 Speaker 4: have a safe place to refuel. The dos DAS has

1:18:33 Speaker 4: to do with like OP four, which is like OP

1:18:36 Speaker 4: four aircraft, which I'll show later on FARP. Right here

1:18:40 Speaker 4: is that's the fuel that's the same thing, you know,

1:18:43 Speaker 4: forward arming and refueling point. Then you've got the objectives,

1:18:48 Speaker 4: so that it's like they were they were training on objectives,

1:18:53 Speaker 4: so like there were two different there were two different objectives,

1:18:55 Speaker 4: Objective A and Objective B. I think they were listed

1:18:57 Speaker 4: on the map. And then you can see right here

1:18:59 Speaker 4: they've uh like two different you know, two different units.

1:19:02 Speaker 4: I can't tell exactly which unit it was that was,

1:19:06 Speaker 4: you know, training on these objectives, but I can tell

1:19:09 Speaker 4: that right here CASS that's close air support, So there

1:19:11 Speaker 4: was close air support that they were coordinating with in

1:19:14 Speaker 4: the bounding down you know, in the mission that you

1:19:18 Speaker 4: know of taking these objectives, I would assume, but CAZ

1:19:21 Speaker 4: was involved in them. Right here, DAS is like defensive air.

1:19:25 Speaker 4: It's it's like the op for And then right here

1:19:28 Speaker 4: is another a d g R. And then you've got

1:19:30 Speaker 4: the beginning of her, which is helicopter air to air

1:19:34 Speaker 4: refueling and tilt rotor air to air refueling, which the

1:19:38 Speaker 4: tilt rotor that would be done with like a KC

1:19:40 Speaker 4: one thirty or a KC ten is my understanding. And

1:19:45 Speaker 4: then if we go over here we can we can

1:19:48 Speaker 4: see exactly so this is sixteenth. If we go down

1:19:53 Speaker 4: to the twentieth. Right here, we can see everything.

1:19:57 Speaker 3: That is up. I had a nice little collage is made.

1:20:01 Speaker 3: I'll show it after this. So right here you've got

1:20:05 Speaker 3: uh so the st O S is the start time

1:20:09 Speaker 3: on station. E t O S is in time on station.

1:20:12 Speaker 4: So basically this is the time that they're operating in

1:20:15 Speaker 4: and that's seven thirty to eleven thirty. And then if

1:20:20 Speaker 4: you look, that's a KC ten KC ten right here,

1:20:23 Speaker 4: k C one thirty five. These are like big like

1:20:26 Speaker 4: tanker type aircraft, think like a C one thirty, which

1:20:29 Speaker 4: C one thirties are also involved in this.

1:20:31 Speaker 3: Uh.

1:20:31 Speaker 4: Then you've got an A V eight B, which is

1:20:34 Speaker 4: like a what is that? I forgot what that is?

1:20:40 Speaker 4: This right here in r Q twenty one A is

1:20:42 Speaker 4: like a drone. It's a it's like a hand deployed

1:20:45 Speaker 4: or maybe a ground launch. It's it's like a small

1:20:48 Speaker 4: drone system, a small UAS unmanned aerial system. Uh. That's

1:20:55 Speaker 4: supplayed from the group by like you know, platoon size units,

1:21:01 Speaker 4: and I think the two of them that were operating

1:21:03 Speaker 4: and you see right there AREC that's area reconnaissance. But

1:21:07 Speaker 4: that was already never mind, I'm sorry, that was already

1:21:09 Speaker 4: all station at sixteen hundred, uh as was the okay,

1:21:13 Speaker 4: so that yeah, So the A V eighty eight, I

1:21:15 Speaker 4: forgot what that is. The E three, I mean, this

1:21:17 Speaker 4: is an E three is like a doomsday plane. It's

1:21:19 Speaker 4: like an airborne commanding control center that.

1:21:22 Speaker 3: Was operational in this time. That's kind of it is

1:21:26 Speaker 3: absolutely a dude, do it's absolutely is No, it's not. No,

1:21:32 Speaker 3: it's not would you get out of my briefing? All right?

1:21:35 Speaker 4: Gosh, Arthur, you like a penalty flag or something, you know.

1:21:41 Speaker 4: And then casey one thirty doing yeah, so doing the

1:21:46 Speaker 4: fueling right there around this time. And then I mean,

1:21:51 Speaker 4: I'm payful for you, all right, but don't worry. It'll

1:21:54 Speaker 4: all be over soon, all right. All right, So here

1:21:57 Speaker 4: we go. We've got here's the OP four. It's the

1:22:00 Speaker 4: twenty four. That's a HIND that was operating during this

1:22:03 Speaker 4: time period. Actually, take that back. It was not all

1:22:06 Speaker 4: station in nineteen hundred, am, I gotta get with it, okay,

1:22:10 Speaker 4: So all of these were operating during this time, and

1:22:12 Speaker 4: they were launching. Okay, yeah, it looks like all of them,

1:22:16 Speaker 4: well right.

1:22:17 Speaker 3: Here, all of them out to hear. So we've got

1:22:18 Speaker 3: an F We've got four F twenty two s, two

1:22:21 Speaker 3: F fifteen's, two F sixteens, four S sixteen's, another four

1:22:24 Speaker 3: S sixteen's, three EA eighteen g's, and four F thirty

1:22:29 Speaker 3: fives that were all launching within an hour of the

1:22:33 Speaker 3: flares being seen. And they were doing OCA, which is

1:22:36 Speaker 3: offensive counter air. And then if you look down, here

1:22:40 Speaker 3: is defensive counter air DCA. So DCA was launching after this,

1:22:45 Speaker 3: but they were obviously getting you know, prepared to you know,

1:22:48 Speaker 3: do simulated dog fights, simulated air to air operations.

1:22:55 Speaker 4: And then we go down there's some more. Now we

1:23:00 Speaker 4: get into the helicopters. That was the sixteenth, So just

1:23:03 Speaker 4: count how many. I mean, look at that we had.

1:23:05 Speaker 4: I mean, look at all these, I mean we had

1:23:08 Speaker 4: what is this at least you know, over twenty over

1:23:14 Speaker 4: twenty different aircraft that were on station over twenty nine

1:23:17 Speaker 4: palms during that time. So you're tell me that they

1:23:20 Speaker 4: didn't notice anything. Come on, now, and then helicopters that

1:23:25 Speaker 4: were on station around that time. Here we go, no,

1:23:34 Speaker 4: nineteenth twentieth right here, twentieth April got an H one

1:23:38 Speaker 4: z which gosh, I had these all like I had

1:23:41 Speaker 4: a collage. Hold on, let me get a collage. Can

1:23:45 Speaker 4: I'll commentate real quick while I get this set up.

1:23:48 Speaker 1: Yeah, so Nick says that the official narrative is looking

1:23:54 Speaker 1: strong on this one. A whack a whack, he repeats,

1:24:01 Speaker 1: But but I just bringing up comments. Uh so, what

1:24:08 Speaker 1: I will say is that this document that you're showing

1:24:17 Speaker 1: constant is constituting a massive response, right, is it? Okay?

1:24:25 Speaker 1: And and just hear me right right, what you're describing

1:24:34 Speaker 1: is is exactly what the Marines said they saw, but

1:24:44 Speaker 1: in a different context, this being training them saying it

1:24:49 Speaker 1: was a response to the lights. Again, I just can't

1:24:57 Speaker 1: see a situation where they would have known about something diselaborate,

1:25:03 Speaker 1: especially when you were gonna have choppers and jets flying

1:25:09 Speaker 1: around at low altitudes. No, I don't. I wasn't in

1:25:17 Speaker 1: the military.

1:25:18 Speaker 2: I wasn't.

1:25:19 Speaker 1: I wasn't in the military. I just I I find it.

1:25:25 Speaker 4: Take okay, So, and E three is an a wha

1:25:30 Speaker 4: my bad? Uh yeah, it's uh that's an a whac.

1:25:34 Speaker 4: I don't know why I guess the E three be.

1:25:36 Speaker 3: I don't know.

1:25:37 Speaker 4: All right, it doesn't matter, it's irrelevant, you know, I'll

1:25:39 Speaker 4: give you that one Arthur, and then down here is

1:25:41 Speaker 4: like the OP four, you know, like the Red team

1:25:43 Speaker 4: is what they call it. You know, that's like contractor

1:25:46 Speaker 4: companies that are flying in opposition. Right here you got

1:25:49 Speaker 4: like the F one uh, the Arrow L one five nine.

1:25:53 Speaker 3: Yeah, these are all opposition.

1:25:55 Speaker 4: You got the hind Do an opposition, and then you've

1:25:58 Speaker 4: got the k C ten, k Casey one thirty five.

1:26:02 Speaker 4: These are all air to air refueling aircraft. You had

1:26:06 Speaker 4: a harrier that, okay, so that's what the A V

1:26:09 Speaker 4: eight B was. It was a harrier.

1:26:11 Speaker 3: You got an r Q okay, so this is the

1:26:13 Speaker 3: unmanned aerial system.

1:26:15 Speaker 4: It's the Blackjack r Q twenty one. And then the

1:26:19 Speaker 4: Century of course, the F thirty five eight okay, so

1:26:22 Speaker 4: that's a EA eighteen. G Growler never really heard of

1:26:26 Speaker 4: that before.

1:26:27 Speaker 3: Then you had the F sixteen excuse me, F twenty two,

1:26:33 Speaker 3: and then the OP four, and then over here you

1:26:35 Speaker 3: had these.

1:26:36 Speaker 4: These were all the helicopters that were operating that. I'm

1:26:38 Speaker 4: about to go over the numbers. You had of course,

1:26:40 Speaker 4: the little birds these are like AIGHT six's. Then they

1:26:43 Speaker 4: have like the M eight six. These are like think

1:26:45 Speaker 4: black Hawk. Down you know that type of helicopter.

1:26:47 Speaker 3: Uh.

1:26:47 Speaker 4: And then yeah, so the viper it looks like a

1:26:50 Speaker 4: cobra to me, Venom looks like a kick ass Huie. Okay, yeah,

1:26:54 Speaker 4: so that is a Huey basically. And then the osprey,

1:26:58 Speaker 4: which is going to be one that deployed and I'll

1:27:02 Speaker 4: prove that in a minute.

1:27:03 Speaker 3: Okay, so.

1:27:06 Speaker 1: Oh come on, But again I want to just say

1:27:16 Speaker 1: so this is a massive from your perspective, This is

1:27:20 Speaker 1: a massive training exercise from the documents that you're going from,

1:27:29 Speaker 1: as big as any of the other days.

1:27:31 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean look at the day before. Okay, so

1:27:33 Speaker 4: this was the nineteenth. These were all the helicopters that

1:27:35 Speaker 4: were airborne on the nineteenth for training. Now look at

1:27:39 Speaker 4: the twentieth. Look at that three times as many, three times.

1:27:44 Speaker 3: As I mean more than right.

1:27:47 Speaker 1: Now.

1:27:48 Speaker 3: Yeah, this is massive in.

1:27:50 Speaker 1: And and I only bring this up to play Devil's advocate,

1:27:55 Speaker 1: but we know that the government isn't exactly forthcoming. And

1:28:08 Speaker 1: I'm not trying to be that guy, but is it

1:28:15 Speaker 1: is it a stretch or or a crazy idea that

1:28:19 Speaker 1: the same government that caught you know, signed off on

1:28:25 Speaker 1: things like MK Ultra Project Star Game to say that

1:28:30 Speaker 1: they would it basically change the context of what happened

1:28:39 Speaker 1: into a training scenario to allow this case to go

1:28:46 Speaker 1: in and out of the news cycle and have no

1:28:48 Speaker 1: credibility anything. Man, Like, I know, I just wanted to

1:28:58 Speaker 1: ask just too, but like you.

1:29:01 Speaker 3: Gotta put my foot down sometimes this is like it

1:29:03 Speaker 3: means it's like, I mean, I understand things possible.

1:29:06 Speaker 4: Sure, anything's possible, but like, I mean, how am I

1:29:09 Speaker 4: supposed to argue against that?

1:29:10 Speaker 2: You know, like no, come on, you know it's like, well,

1:29:14 Speaker 2: I can provide evidence.

1:29:17 Speaker 3: Would you just let me stick the knife in and

1:29:19 Speaker 3: just get this over with? You know, it's like I know,

1:29:22 Speaker 3: like come on, just let me just me I promise it.

1:29:25 Speaker 3: It will be over soon. Arthur, all right, But anything's possible.

1:29:29 Speaker 1: But like okay, I mean, like now that we get

1:29:32 Speaker 1: that out of the way, Yeah, now that we got

1:29:35 Speaker 1: that out of the way, proceed.

1:29:39 Speaker 4: What do you like, how like how would you like,

1:29:42 Speaker 4: how would we go about this then? Like, how would

1:29:44 Speaker 4: we prove that that was the case? Without we couldn't

1:29:47 Speaker 4: even begin to prove that that was the case.

1:29:49 Speaker 2: I can do that. That's part of my presentation.

1:29:54 Speaker 6: Hm.

1:29:55 Speaker 1: Well, I don't want to disrupt anything that he still

1:30:01 Speaker 1: has to say or anything he still wants to present

1:30:05 Speaker 1: from document.

1:30:07 Speaker 3: I just got caught up in the moment, like.

1:30:09 Speaker 1: I think it's okay, but I think it's okay. I

1:30:12 Speaker 1: think it's okay that you, being a military person, that

1:30:19 Speaker 1: you are more inclined to side, not side, but to

1:30:29 Speaker 1: have faith that patriotism, that nationalism. Okay.

1:30:36 Speaker 4: Interesting, I mean I got lied too, Like I got

1:30:39 Speaker 4: lied to, Okay, Like I joined in two thousand and seven,

1:30:42 Speaker 4: right before the surge, Like I was, I thought I

1:30:44 Speaker 4: was going over there to fight for puppy dogs and

1:30:48 Speaker 4: freedom right to buy you know, oles and clearance rackt

1:30:51 Speaker 4: shirts and like you know, apple pie, and like I

1:30:54 Speaker 4: thought I was going over there to like fight for freedom,

1:30:57 Speaker 4: and I was there was no freedom.

1:30:58 Speaker 3: That we were over there doing like ruining.

1:31:01 Speaker 4: We we were, like I participated in like some it's

1:31:07 Speaker 4: just not good, man, It's like it's just not good.

1:31:09 Speaker 4: Like what we did over there as a country. We

1:31:11 Speaker 4: destroyed a country, We destroyed generations, we killed, we killed

1:31:15 Speaker 4: over a million Iraqis. I mean not directly, but like

1:31:18 Speaker 4: we if it wasn't for us, like so much pain

1:31:21 Speaker 4: has been caused by like our imperialism, so like if

1:31:24 Speaker 4: you don't like I am, I am very well aware

1:31:27 Speaker 4: of like what I participated in. But that's why, like

1:31:30 Speaker 4: you won't hear me, you know say that, Like I

1:31:36 Speaker 4: believe in you know, like us in our foreign policy.

1:31:39 Speaker 4: But I'll back up a veteran any day, you know,

1:31:42 Speaker 4: because we're we're it's really easy to get caught up,

1:31:45 Speaker 4: you know, like I mean, we had the flag waving

1:31:47 Speaker 4: like parents, you know, I mean everybody back then, you know,

1:31:51 Speaker 4: was thinking that we were doing the right thing by

1:31:53 Speaker 4: going over to Afghanistan.

1:31:54 Speaker 3: Like I thought that.

1:31:55 Speaker 4: I was literally like Luke Skywalker and you know now

1:31:59 Speaker 4: I think I mean I was a storm trooper.

1:32:01 Speaker 3: You know, but right, what can I do?

1:32:04 Speaker 4: You know, it's like what, yeah, so I absolutely do

1:32:06 Speaker 4: not trust our government apps. I mean, you got Operation Northwoods,

1:32:09 Speaker 4: You've got.

1:32:10 Speaker 3: Uh you know w M these. I mean, I don't

1:32:13 Speaker 3: know Cheney is still walking around a free man Bush.

1:32:16 Speaker 3: You know he should be in jail too, rum sell

1:32:18 Speaker 3: all of them. You know, I think we should.

1:32:20 Speaker 4: I think half of our government should be locked up,

1:32:22 Speaker 4: you know, getting freaking waterboarded in Guantanamo by Alexando.

1:32:25 Speaker 3: Or you know, just all you know, remote viewed.

1:32:30 Speaker 4: I guess like, can you remote view waterboards somebody? I

1:32:33 Speaker 4: don't know how that would work, but I'm sure Elexando.

1:32:36 Speaker 4: Maybe it's in the book.

1:32:37 Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, I'm just saying, man, you

1:32:41 Speaker 3: know got that power.

1:32:44 Speaker 4: You know, it's what I've heard. No, I mean, I'm

1:32:46 Speaker 4: not down for I've heard it. Arthur is so he's

1:32:50 Speaker 4: got a tattoo, says lou Crew.

1:32:52 Speaker 7: You know.

1:33:00 Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh I listened Louel shout out to him. Man,

1:33:04 Speaker 1: uh yeah, do.

1:33:07 Speaker 3: I respect you?

1:33:11 Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, that's that's where I'm at. What oh Z

1:33:19 Speaker 1: and us? So let's go back to uh some of

1:33:27 Speaker 1: the some of the points that aren't there one to

1:33:29 Speaker 1: make that? So you wanted to tell us about some

1:33:33 Speaker 1: of your research and how you think that this could be?

1:33:38 Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, like did you do you want

1:33:41 Speaker 4: to finish?

1:33:43 Speaker 1: All right?

1:33:44 Speaker 7: All right?

1:33:44 Speaker 3: Finished?

1:33:44 Speaker 19: Yeah?

1:33:46 Speaker 1: Sorry?

1:33:48 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I was just getting to the good part.

1:33:50 Speaker 1: Okay.

1:33:51 Speaker 4: Uh, here's all the helicopters that were operating that night,

1:33:55 Speaker 4: and then if you look all right, so I mean,

1:33:58 Speaker 4: everybody's all all this, So let's go on and okay,

1:34:04 Speaker 4: so here we go. So here's twentieth April. Here's all

1:34:07 Speaker 4: the helicopters so h one z we already went over

1:34:10 Speaker 4: that eight six to h one z's.

1:34:12 Speaker 3: I don't think they were operational, okay, yeah, so they were.

1:34:15 Speaker 4: So zeros are sixteen hundred zero one, so we had

1:34:19 Speaker 4: three four or five nine that were operational, then ten

1:34:25 Speaker 4: eleven and then.

1:34:28 Speaker 3: Fifteen, so that's already fifteen helicopters.

1:34:30 Speaker 4: And look what, so we got two point seventy five

1:34:33 Speaker 4: inch ira illumines. Those aren't well, I mean, those are

1:34:36 Speaker 4: some type of illumination. I assume chaff or you know,

1:34:39 Speaker 4: some type of countermeasure flares, but keep going down. So

1:34:43 Speaker 4: sixteen seventeen eighteen, and then we got nineteen and eight

1:34:50 Speaker 4: LOU nine excuse me, eight lou nineteen, there's twenty four

1:34:57 Speaker 4: LU two's there was an ospray that was operating from

1:35:00 Speaker 4: zeros Or from sixteen hundred four.

1:35:02 Speaker 3: Pm to one am.

1:35:03 Speaker 4: And uh yeah, so fifteen, sixteen, eighteen nineteen and then

1:35:09 Speaker 4: zero six. So twenty twenty one, twenty two, twenty three,

1:35:11 Speaker 4: twenty four, twenty five, and twenty six, twenty seven, twenty eight,

1:35:16 Speaker 4: and then twenty nine, thirty thirty one, thirty two, thirty three,

1:35:20 Speaker 4: thirty four, thirty five, thirty six. Uh so thirty six

1:35:24 Speaker 4: helicopters were operating in twenty nine Palms between between four

1:35:30 Speaker 4: pm and one am. And I'm going to show you

1:35:34 Speaker 4: where this these eight Lou nineteen flares are in the expenditure.

1:35:38 Speaker 3: They were you know, they were used.

1:35:40 Speaker 4: The thing is like when you go out to a

1:35:42 Speaker 4: range when you're training in the military, you don't leave

1:35:44 Speaker 4: flares like you don't leave excuse me, flares. You don't

1:35:48 Speaker 4: come back from the range with any rounds like then

1:35:51 Speaker 4: you have to account for them. You have to do

1:35:53 Speaker 4: paperwork like the officers don't want it. You have to

1:35:55 Speaker 4: sit around and wait for all the like. It's just

1:35:57 Speaker 4: a pain in the ass for everybody. You expend all

1:36:00 Speaker 4: rounds when you go to a range typically, typically that's

1:36:03 Speaker 4: my experience. I don't know if it's different for an aviation,

1:36:06 Speaker 4: but I it doesn't matter because I can show you

1:36:08 Speaker 4: were these eight Lou nineteen flares we were expended that night.

1:36:12 Speaker 3: And that's gonna be the last thing that I'll get.

1:36:14 Speaker 4: So okay, So what we say at thirty six right

1:36:17 Speaker 4: something helicopters, and then we got the KC one thirty

1:36:19 Speaker 4: J and then we've got another two a V eight bs,

1:36:24 Speaker 4: so another two harriers that I didn't account for, and

1:36:27 Speaker 4: then uh oh, here's some FA eighteens I didn't account

1:36:30 Speaker 4: for either more CAC one thirty js operating. I mean,

1:36:34 Speaker 4: this is this is ridiculous. This is like oh and

1:36:37 Speaker 4: four more F thirty five bs that I didn't account for. Like,

1:36:39 Speaker 4: I mean, you know, it's everybody, but I mean it's everything,

1:36:42 Speaker 4: but the kitchen sync that they had up like over

1:36:44 Speaker 4: twenty nine palms, you know, training right now, you know,

1:36:48 Speaker 4: it's so, I mean it I just don't know.

1:36:51 Speaker 1: Okay. So this was tough for the Marines saying or

1:36:58 Speaker 1: being able to say that there is a massive response

1:37:03 Speaker 1: that that that's that's right. I know, I know, you're you're,

1:37:10 Speaker 1: you're you're reading into it, saying that this is what

1:37:14 Speaker 1: gave them the grounds to say that in their witness

1:37:17 Speaker 1: testimony because there was an actual drill and training happening.

1:37:26 Speaker 1: That's what allowed them to say there were jets, there

1:37:29 Speaker 1: were helicopters. Is that what you're saying, I know, you

1:37:35 Speaker 1: don't want to bash them. You're not going to bat

1:37:37 Speaker 1: you listen, You're you're not going to say they're ying,

1:37:44 Speaker 1: But do you think that they were uninformed of what

1:37:51 Speaker 1: was happening. They saw a training exercise happened and didn't

1:37:57 Speaker 1: know what it was and simply reported it that way.

1:38:02 Speaker 3: I have no idea. I mean, I don't know.

1:38:05 Speaker 1: I don't know, Okay, all right, I mean all right,

1:38:10 Speaker 1: I just don't know.

1:38:11 Speaker 4: Like I wish that we would have got one of them,

1:38:13 Speaker 4: Like I tried sending them a couple of the accounts

1:38:15 Speaker 4: on Reddit, and you know, I got one fake guy

1:38:18 Speaker 4: that you know that replied to me that got my

1:38:20 Speaker 4: hopes up, turned out just be a troll.

1:38:22 Speaker 1: But well, maybe this will, maybe this will bring some

1:38:26 Speaker 1: of them out of the water works, especially with Jeremy

1:38:30 Speaker 1: retweeting it and sending his wishes out, and maybe we

1:38:34 Speaker 1: can all get to talk to some of the to

1:38:36 Speaker 1: the actual witnesses entice, Yeah, some of their stories, because

1:38:42 Speaker 1: I think that's goals some that together. Because at the

1:38:49 Speaker 1: end of the day, I don't think that Arthur would

1:38:53 Speaker 1: be if if the proof is right there in front

1:38:57 Speaker 1: of him, I don't think Arthur would uh uh. I

1:39:01 Speaker 1: don't think he would say continue to say it was

1:39:04 Speaker 1: a UAP. Just like if you were shown undeniable evidence,

1:39:08 Speaker 1: I don't think you would say that it was a

1:39:11 Speaker 1: training exercise. I think you are both steadfast in your

1:39:19 Speaker 1: views of what happened that night, and that is very

1:39:22 Speaker 1: much healthy. This is what we need in the community,

1:39:26 Speaker 1: is more people willing to have this conversation when you

1:39:30 Speaker 1: don't agree. I like this. Somewhere along the lines, the

1:39:41 Speaker 1: story has been distorted, some is or misleading. Whether they're

1:39:49 Speaker 1: knowingly doing that or unknowingly doing that, someone is doing

1:39:54 Speaker 1: it now, I don't know who.

1:40:00 Speaker 2: There, Susan goes the one is.

1:40:01 Speaker 1: Lying, Grider, what would you say to that.

1:40:06 Speaker 3: Let's blame things on Susan Go. Yeah, there we go.

1:40:09 Speaker 1: Well the UFO community doesn't her Yeah, well she is.

1:40:14 Speaker 3: Again, let's just blame it on. Then.

1:40:17 Speaker 1: We do have to remember that they are just spokesper

1:40:20 Speaker 1: spokespeople for the d O D. But they do, like

1:40:24 Speaker 1: I said, they're the ones that make the phone calls.

1:40:26 Speaker 1: They're the ones who represent they are the face of

1:40:29 Speaker 1: these organizations. So, Grider, they do have to be held

1:40:32 Speaker 1: to a certain accountability. You understand that, just like you

1:40:40 Speaker 1: for for for what they put out, for what, for

1:40:46 Speaker 1: what they stand behind. Yeah, so if Susan Go comes

1:40:50 Speaker 1: out and says this is a training exercise, she better

1:40:55 Speaker 1: damn well knows the training exercise. And I don't think

1:41:00 Speaker 1: she can do that in under twenty four hours, or

1:41:05 Speaker 1: I don't know if she could. I can't say. Again,

1:41:09 Speaker 1: I'm supposed to be the neutral one. I don't understand

1:41:12 Speaker 1: how she does that in twenty four hours. But again,

1:41:17 Speaker 1: you've been on the inside. You both been on the

1:41:20 Speaker 1: inside of government. I just from my experience, doesn't work

1:41:25 Speaker 1: that quickly, especially to people like John Greenwald of the

1:41:30 Speaker 1: Black Vault, who have knowingly and and and overtly been

1:41:37 Speaker 1: at odds with the government over the Foyer requests. John's

1:41:44 Speaker 1: done a great job. Yeah, a huge shout out, huge

1:41:48 Speaker 1: shout out.

1:41:50 Speaker 3: John, me up in the DMS, man, I love you

1:41:52 Speaker 3: all right, Yeah, I can't.

1:41:55 Speaker 1: I connect you with them.

1:41:57 Speaker 3: But yeah, would job? So Yeah, get down smiling over there. Finally,

1:42:04 Speaker 3: why do you think he was so That makes me

1:42:09 Speaker 3: even more enticing to be a friend.

1:42:12 Speaker 1: So why why do you think they're they were so

1:42:15 Speaker 1: quick to dismiss this case When the phoenix lights that

1:42:21 Speaker 1: almost the same exact scenario unfolds, not almost not the

1:42:28 Speaker 1: same exact, but a very similar scenario unfolds. The government

1:42:35 Speaker 1: and the narrative that is put out to the people

1:42:40 Speaker 1: via press conference Governor Fight Simonton and his aide come out.

1:42:46 Speaker 1: They make a mockery of the situation. They say it

1:42:50 Speaker 1: was training, it was flares. They've tried to demonstreet to

1:42:54 Speaker 1: the public of Phoenix that it was flares by trying

1:42:59 Speaker 1: to re create the Phoenix lights, which they did one

1:43:04 Speaker 1: or two times and both times were unsuccessful.

1:43:09 Speaker 3: What there's so many.

1:43:10 Speaker 4: Similar thirty years ago though, I mean, it was thirty

1:43:14 Speaker 4: years ago, Like I we're never gonna find the truth out,

1:43:16 Speaker 4: so like I don't even like I've I've thought so

1:43:20 Speaker 4: agreed Phoenix lights and like I said, like I said,

1:43:22 Speaker 4: I've seen so Hey, I've seen some photos where it

1:43:25 Speaker 4: looked like what I saw fly over my head in basic,

1:43:28 Speaker 4: you know. And then I've seen some photos where look

1:43:31 Speaker 4: like flares. I've seen some photos where I didn't know

1:43:34 Speaker 4: what it looked like, a long line of like lights

1:43:37 Speaker 4: of like orbs.

1:43:38 Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know who knows.

1:43:40 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, Tony, I wasn't gonna like, you know,

1:43:43 Speaker 4: I mean, it seemed like overkill at this point.

1:43:45 Speaker 1: Did did?

1:43:46 Speaker 2: Is this true and widely reported? But it's not true.

1:43:52 Speaker 2: Tony Jeremy did not come out later and admit they

1:43:56 Speaker 2: were flares. That's a total.

1:44:00 Speaker 1: I was gonna say, why would he be?

1:44:03 Speaker 4: I'm gonna call Tony's defense, although I would love nothing

1:44:05 Speaker 4: more than to come to the offense, you know, for Tony.

1:44:09 Speaker 4: Uh No, seriously, you know, I know he's not very

1:44:13 Speaker 4: nice to me. Okay, so let me uh yeah, I'll

1:44:15 Speaker 4: screen share. Hold on, give me, let me pull.

1:44:17 Speaker 3: Up the the article and you can make your own interpretation.

1:44:20 Speaker 4: Arth and I we have a disagreement about the English

1:44:23 Speaker 4: language I've found, but he's more educated than me, so like,

1:44:27 Speaker 4: I don't know, it's probably me hod on.

1:44:31 Speaker 1: I like a man who could admit it.

1:44:38 Speaker 2: And I think since Jeremy retweeted us, I don't know

1:44:42 Speaker 2: if this whole thing of him thinking it was total.

1:44:46 Speaker 1: Yeah, that would make sense, especially when.

1:44:50 Speaker 4: Thes like what's wrong with people like there's nothing wrong

1:44:55 Speaker 4: with like us doing what we've done tonight, you know, no, no, no,

1:44:58 Speaker 4: absolutely not working a case is working in a case?

1:45:00 Speaker 3: You know?

1:45:01 Speaker 1: Absolutely?

1:45:05 Speaker 6: Yeah?

1:45:05 Speaker 3: There we go? Is that my screen? Okay?

1:45:07 Speaker 4: Heck all right, yeah, so here we go. It's uh,

1:45:11 Speaker 4: the Liberation Times don't really know what I mean, I

1:45:14 Speaker 4: don't know, and it's accoting the black following down here

1:45:19 Speaker 4: and then here we go.

1:45:23 Speaker 3: I know, I'm sorry, I'm always in a hurry.

1:45:26 Speaker 1: All kay, when you read it out loud, just briefly.

1:45:33 Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, all right. I am very happy

1:45:38 Speaker 4: that Okay, here we go, here's the preface.

1:45:40 Speaker 7: All right.

1:45:41 Speaker 3: Jeremy Corbell, UH, who has been seeking explanations and gathering

1:45:47 Speaker 3: additional testimonies since initially publishing footage and testimonies from the

1:45:50 Speaker 3: Marines that night, welcome the new evidence. He believes it

1:45:53 Speaker 3: may provide some answers to the Marines, who were not

1:45:56 Speaker 3: giving any explanation by senior personnel at the time. Corbell

1:46:00 Speaker 3: told The Liberation Times quote, I am very happy that

1:46:04 Speaker 3: new information has emerged which may help provide answers that

1:46:06 Speaker 3: the eyewitnesses have been searching for. Similar to any unsolved investigation,

1:46:10 Speaker 3: be it concerning UAP or otherwise, it is an ongoing

1:46:13 Speaker 3: process wherein one can anticipate the unveiling of new information

1:46:17 Speaker 3: leading us closer to comprehensive answers. That is precisely while

1:46:21 Speaker 3: we made the decision to share this case with the

1:46:23 Speaker 3: public and actively pursue additional information to crack it wide open.

1:46:27 Speaker 3: At first glance, the lights did appear to show a craft,

1:46:30 Speaker 3: but the newfound information appears highly compelling, pointing towards Flar's

1:46:34 Speaker 3: as the most plausible explanation. However, just like the US

1:46:38 Speaker 3: government's own investigation into UAPs, it is imperative for us

1:46:42 Speaker 3: to meticulously scrutinize the evidence and arrive at a definitive

1:46:45 Speaker 3: conclusion before relegating UAP to a non UAP status. We

1:46:49 Speaker 3: are now duty bound to undertake our own verification of

1:46:52 Speaker 3: the process of the presented data, ensuring rigorous validation before

1:46:57 Speaker 3: categorizing this as a solve case. Our honorable service members

1:47:00 Speaker 3: deserve nothing less. I don't know. You tell me, you

1:47:03 Speaker 3: tell me what that sounds like.

1:47:06 Speaker 2: Okay, he says it's not solved. He said he has.

1:47:10 Speaker 2: If it hasn't been solved, then it's still an open case,

1:47:14 Speaker 2: and he's asking us for to do additional research on it.

1:47:17 Speaker 1: Yeah. I think I I I think that quote was

1:47:20 Speaker 1: taken very very very liberally. Uh, And I don't know.

1:47:31 Speaker 1: I'm not no further, I yeah, I just that to

1:47:40 Speaker 1: me didn't sound like he was saying case solved. It

1:47:45 Speaker 1: was Flairs. He's just saying that there's he's glad that

1:47:50 Speaker 1: that you know, people are doing more acting on it,

1:47:55 Speaker 1: asking for more information, getting more information to try to

1:47:59 Speaker 1: piece this all together. Other that's what I got from it,

1:48:03 Speaker 1: Not that well. Flares seems to be u Okham's razor

1:48:08 Speaker 1: boom done. That's not I mean, that's whatever. We can

1:48:15 Speaker 1: move on.

1:48:17 Speaker 2: Yeah, I do not think that quote unquote admitted that

1:48:20 Speaker 2: it was flares, which is what a lot of people

1:48:23 Speaker 2: in this community are saying. Danny Corpell admit that these

1:48:26 Speaker 2: were flares.

1:48:28 Speaker 1: Yeah, I got that comment a million times today. So

1:48:33 Speaker 1: what is this?

1:48:34 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I don't know.

1:48:36 Speaker 4: So this is just like the representation of what granted,

1:48:38 Speaker 4: what I saw in Basic was a little.

1:48:40 Speaker 3: Bit bigger, but oh cool. Yeah, it's just.

1:48:42 Speaker 4: Something to kind of like, I don't know, because I've

1:48:44 Speaker 4: been you know, I feel like I've been debunking like

1:48:46 Speaker 4: the entire time, just like add some balance or something.

1:48:50 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, it's banned throat balance.

1:48:52 Speaker 3: I don't like this. I don't like band.

1:48:54 Speaker 4: Oh no, Like I don't want to retell it, you know,

1:48:56 Speaker 4: like I don't want to retell it because it you know,

1:48:57 Speaker 4: it takes like thirty minutes.

1:48:59 Speaker 5: But I don't know.

1:49:06 Speaker 3: So you're basic time.

1:49:09 Speaker 1: My favorite sighting is my own.

1:49:11 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Okay, can you tell yours and then I'll

1:49:15 Speaker 4: and then I'll tell mine. Just I'm dying to finish

1:49:18 Speaker 4: my tacos, finish my dinner real quick.

1:49:20 Speaker 3: Yeah, like you have time to tell yours.

1:49:23 Speaker 1: Yeah, you should have time. It better. You should have

1:49:25 Speaker 1: ate your tacos pre show, you know.

1:49:29 Speaker 3: Just so well. I mean I was almost choking, you

1:49:31 Speaker 3: know when Arthur was finishing.

1:49:32 Speaker 2: You know, you know, I do have some more stuff to.

1:49:38 Speaker 1: Almost twenty seven hundred people that want to hear what

1:49:42 Speaker 1: you have to say.

1:49:43 Speaker 4: I think it's, uh, that's like views, So it's not

1:49:46 Speaker 4: like I don't think there's twenty seven hundred at the

1:49:47 Speaker 4: same time.

1:49:49 Speaker 1: No, it's live stream. Gives me an accurate acount of

1:49:52 Speaker 1: how many people are watching at one moment.

1:49:55 Speaker 3: Oh wow, that's crazy. Okay, yeah, yeah, I mean.

1:50:00 Speaker 1: I sent you guys to picture. No, okay, I'll tell

1:50:03 Speaker 1: you what happened to me. So I was in my

1:50:06 Speaker 1: front yard and I had stayed home from school that day,

1:50:12 Speaker 1: and we had a very like, very very steep roof,

1:50:18 Speaker 1: and when you threw a tennis ball up it, it

1:50:23 Speaker 1: would roll back down and it would bounce off the gutter.

1:50:27 Speaker 1: It sometimes it'd go in the gutter if you were

1:50:29 Speaker 1: really like you know, if you it would happen every

1:50:32 Speaker 1: once in a while. But I was in this. I

1:50:37 Speaker 1: was doing this because no one else was home from school.

1:50:39 Speaker 1: And I was about eleven or twelve at the time,

1:50:43 Speaker 1: maybe maybe eleven or twelve, so I was waiting for

1:50:47 Speaker 1: the other kids to get home from school. I'm thirty.

1:50:50 Speaker 1: This is twenty some odd years ago. I'm thirty one,

1:50:53 Speaker 1: so no internet, you know, I'm home when the lights

1:50:59 Speaker 1: come on kind of deal. And I'm waiting for the

1:51:02 Speaker 1: bus to come so I can, you know, meet up

1:51:05 Speaker 1: with the friends.

1:51:06 Speaker 7: Uh.

1:51:07 Speaker 1: But I'm sitting out there and I'm playing alone, and

1:51:10 Speaker 1: I'm throwing the ball. Throwing the ball. It pops off

1:51:12 Speaker 1: the gutter a couple times and a mid throw, so

1:51:16 Speaker 1: I'm looking directly up right, and I released a ball

1:51:22 Speaker 1: in a craft circular craft with three protrusions that were

1:51:27 Speaker 1: circular that if you were to draw a triangle, a

1:51:31 Speaker 1: line to each of them would make a triangle. Typical

1:51:34 Speaker 1: gun metal, gray, flying saucer oscillating moving at a slow

1:51:40 Speaker 1: paced tree top level. I saw. I mean, if there

1:51:46 Speaker 1: were rivets on this thing, I would have been able

1:51:49 Speaker 1: to see the serial number. But there were no rivets.

1:51:53 Speaker 1: This thing was just it looked like it was three

1:51:56 Speaker 1: D printed, not to quote Bob Bazaar, but it was oscillating,

1:52:01 Speaker 1: and it moved right over my right over my house.

1:52:05 Speaker 1: I chased it out back. By the time I got

1:52:07 Speaker 1: out back, it was gone. That led I went to

1:52:11 Speaker 1: the line. So here's the funny thing. I remember everything,

1:52:16 Speaker 1: but I don't remember the next twenty four hours. But

1:52:22 Speaker 1: I do remember. My next memory is me desperately, desperately

1:52:30 Speaker 1: yelling and screaming. Not yelling and screaming, but begging and

1:52:37 Speaker 1: begging to go to the library to and that's where

1:52:43 Speaker 1: I came across communion some other books. One of the

1:52:47 Speaker 1: books I believe it was, I don't remember what book

1:52:53 Speaker 1: it was. Damn near showed the craft I saw. And

1:52:57 Speaker 1: it was that day I found out the world wasn't

1:53:03 Speaker 1: black and white. There's so much more gray. And I

1:53:07 Speaker 1: think that's what we have to take out of today's

1:53:10 Speaker 1: conversation is no matter what, no matter what, we are

1:53:17 Speaker 1: taught Arthur and Grider from a very young age that

1:53:21 Speaker 1: the world is black and white. What I can feel

1:53:26 Speaker 1: and touch, that's real. Right, This same community is willing

1:53:32 Speaker 1: to believe in God's demons, angels, right, all these kinds

1:53:37 Speaker 1: of things. But UFOs aren't real, right, cryptids aren't real right.

1:53:46 Speaker 1: All that subject matters taboo and if you even talk

1:53:50 Speaker 1: about it, you're crazy, right. It just I don't know,

1:53:56 Speaker 1: didn't sit well for me. So I was always that

1:53:58 Speaker 1: kid in school growing up who had just questioned my

1:54:02 Speaker 1: history teachers, questioned my science teachers. Was I loved No.

1:54:08 Speaker 1: I later had another experience when my mother passed away

1:54:12 Speaker 1: and I was in the room with her when she

1:54:14 Speaker 1: passed away, and essentially I saw her from what I think,

1:54:20 Speaker 1: leave the room. She was a live one moment and

1:54:27 Speaker 1: I was talking to her. My cell phone rang. It

1:54:30 Speaker 1: was in my pocket. It started vibrating. I looked down,

1:54:34 Speaker 1: made that split second decision, don't even fucking look at

1:54:37 Speaker 1: this thing, don't pull it out of your pocket. But

1:54:40 Speaker 1: in that split second that I looked down and looked up,

1:54:43 Speaker 1: something crossed my field of vision, perfect orb and it

1:54:47 Speaker 1: was like it was distorting light around it, and it

1:54:51 Speaker 1: looked like if you look down along a high highway

1:54:54 Speaker 1: that like heat wave. It was like dispersion blur, but

1:54:57 Speaker 1: it was an orb and it went out the window.

1:55:00 Speaker 1: I looked back my mother was gone.

1:55:03 Speaker 4: Dude, that's so very similar to a friend of mine

1:55:05 Speaker 4: in the community that had that exact same experience when

1:55:08 Speaker 4: his mom passed away, like almost exact like dude's.

1:55:11 Speaker 3: There's got to be something there, right.

1:55:13 Speaker 1: Right, So this is my notion, is that I mean,

1:55:19 Speaker 1: I know, I know what you're defending here. I understand

1:55:24 Speaker 1: where you're coming from, what your background is and where not,

1:55:34 Speaker 1: maybe what your motivations are. But I understand you, and

1:55:38 Speaker 1: I understand Arthur.

1:55:40 Speaker 3: Okay, I thought you're about to accuse me of being

1:55:42 Speaker 3: a fed.

1:55:44 Speaker 6: On.

1:55:45 Speaker 1: No, and I understand Arthur. I am just saying that

1:55:51 Speaker 1: we need to be able to have more conversations like

1:55:54 Speaker 1: this and tow that line that there might be deception

1:56:01 Speaker 1: and some gray that that we're not privy too.

1:56:06 Speaker 19: So maybe it is a UFO who knows right and

1:56:11 Speaker 19: and and and all I want to do is walk

1:56:13 Speaker 19: away tonight and say, even if we agree to disagree,

1:56:17 Speaker 19: all of us.

1:56:19 Speaker 1: That the community is better when we have these types

1:56:23 Speaker 1: of discussions. Agreed, it was great, all right?

1:56:31 Speaker 3: Yeah, I get excited at times. I'm sorry. If I

1:56:37 Speaker 3: aggravated either.

1:56:38 Speaker 7: Of you, I just died.

1:56:39 Speaker 1: You actually absolutely didn't aggravate me. But but Arthur, I

1:56:46 Speaker 1: want to give you. I want to give you a

1:56:48 Speaker 1: couple of minutes for closing because I know you didn't

1:56:50 Speaker 1: get uh that time, so hit me, close me out.

1:56:55 Speaker 1: I want to I want to hear this. This is

1:56:58 Speaker 1: right before we go right, but before we play. Well,

1:57:01 Speaker 1: we'll end it with Brider's experience what he saw. And

1:57:07 Speaker 1: but I want to talk to you about how why

1:57:09 Speaker 1: do you think this is a cover up? What is

1:57:12 Speaker 1: the evidence to you that suggests that there might be

1:57:15 Speaker 1: a cover up.

1:57:16 Speaker 2: Well, the first clue there was a cover up that

1:57:20 Speaker 2: I saw was the day that it happened. We did

1:57:23 Speaker 2: I did some research on the way Back Machine, and

1:57:27 Speaker 2: I found out that that video that mcwest was kind

1:57:31 Speaker 2: of using a lot wasn't showing up on the way

1:57:33 Speaker 2: Back Machine, so that that was just a kind of

1:57:35 Speaker 2: a clue I wasn't really proof. That's kind of what

1:57:39 Speaker 2: you know, rose my antennas up to the possibility this

1:57:42 Speaker 2: could be a cover up. And then subsequently I've done

1:57:45 Speaker 2: analysis of the Foyer documents and photos and compared the

1:57:50 Speaker 2: metadata from the Foya photos to the metadata of the

1:57:54 Speaker 2: iPhone photos and found inconsistencies that are I think suggestive

1:57:59 Speaker 2: of fraud, and I've also had various other arguments. They're

1:58:04 Speaker 2: more technical, and I think I would need a separate

1:58:07 Speaker 2: as separate episodes to go through all of that. But

1:58:11 Speaker 2: suffice to say, I do have that research posted on

1:58:16 Speaker 2: my Twitter, so anyone can go and check that out themselves.

1:58:20 Speaker 2: And I also have my own YouTube channel, so you

1:58:23 Speaker 2: can check that research out that I put on there too,

1:58:25 Speaker 2: So it's Truth Coalition. That's my YouTube, so I would

1:58:29 Speaker 2: encourage people to check out that too.

1:58:31 Speaker 1: All right, And I do right now have both of

1:58:36 Speaker 1: their Twitter links in the description below, but i'll add

1:58:39 Speaker 1: the YouTube grad or if you have a YouTube I'll

1:58:42 Speaker 1: happily put that in there as well.

1:58:46 Speaker 3: I don't have one worth mentioning. Okay, okay, So how

1:58:51 Speaker 3: I got into the community, all right, So just to

1:58:53 Speaker 3: give a quick minute and a half, right, So I

1:58:56 Speaker 3: actually I joined Twitter to advertise because I thought I

1:58:59 Speaker 3: was going to be like the x bab Bazaar. I

1:59:01 Speaker 3: thought that I was seeing like UFOs on the ISS

1:59:04 Speaker 3: live feed.

1:59:04 Speaker 4: So I started watching the ISS live feed, recording it

1:59:07 Speaker 4: and then watching it like one day a week, watching

1:59:09 Speaker 4: an entire week's worth of footage, like at sixteen times,

1:59:14 Speaker 4: just like crazy, like seven monitors, just like scanning for

1:59:17 Speaker 4: what I thought was UFOs these orbs. What I thought

1:59:20 Speaker 4: was like, you know these bright, you know, orange orbs

1:59:24 Speaker 4: that look like class rings almost or like championship belts,

1:59:28 Speaker 4: and uh yeah, so like I thought that I was

1:59:31 Speaker 4: seeing them. I thought NASA was giving his disclosure by

1:59:33 Speaker 4: not editing out the live feed, not censoring it, and YadA, YadA, YadA.

1:59:37 Speaker 4: So I made my own channel. It's like the you know,

1:59:39 Speaker 4: ISS live feed UAP archive. Now it's called like you

1:59:43 Speaker 4: know what, Well, I'll give you a link to it,

1:59:46 Speaker 4: but it's it's pretty funny. So I was doing like

1:59:48 Speaker 4: music video compilations thinking and it turns out it was

1:59:50 Speaker 4: just the moon.

1:59:51 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was just the moon that I was seeing.

1:59:53 Speaker 3: It was definitely the moon.

1:59:55 Speaker 4: So yeah, people probably don't I want to go to

2:00:01 Speaker 4: but if you want to be my ninth subscriber, I

2:00:03 Speaker 4: think three of them are probably my own, like you know,

2:00:06 Speaker 4: like my own Hill accounts. I think probably I'm just joking,

2:00:09 Speaker 4: but I think, you know, yeah, it's it's.

2:00:12 Speaker 1: Doors, always doors, always welcome on total disclosure for you, buddy.

2:00:17 Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know what was cool?

2:00:18 Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you, But you know what was cool,

2:00:20 Speaker 4: was like, I actually, uh a Twitter user named alien network.

2:00:24 Speaker 3: He has like, uh, I think it's UFO network.

2:00:27 Speaker 4: He's a cool guy, you know, and uh he's the

2:00:29 Speaker 4: one who like kind of mentioned He's like, hey, is

2:00:31 Speaker 4: that Because I was posting videos and I had like

2:00:34 Speaker 4: two subscribers or like two followers, couldn't get any traction

2:00:38 Speaker 4: and he was the only one that was giving me

2:00:39 Speaker 4: any engagement. And he's like, man, is that the moon?

2:00:42 Speaker 4: And I'm like, no, of course it's not the moon.

2:00:44 Speaker 4: And then like a couple of days later, I was like, damn,

2:00:47 Speaker 4: that's probably the moon. And sure enough, don't be afraid

2:00:50 Speaker 4: of debunking yourself. You know, the sooner that you know

2:00:53 Speaker 4: you can start being right is the sooner you can

2:00:55 Speaker 4: stop being wrong.

2:00:56 Speaker 3: That's the way I looked at it.

2:00:58 Speaker 1: But no, you're absolutely right.

2:01:00 Speaker 4: It's painful because I spent probably I spent a lot

2:01:03 Speaker 4: of that, Like I've watched more is live feed than

2:01:05 Speaker 4: I care to admit.

2:01:06 Speaker 3: You know, I wish I had that time back, to

2:01:08 Speaker 3: be honest. But all right, so.

2:01:12 Speaker 1: This is what you saw.

2:01:16 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's no. This is like an AI you know, photoshop,

2:01:23 Speaker 3: you know.

2:01:24 Speaker 1: Oh okay, okay, okay, wrap image.

2:01:26 Speaker 3: That I made. Yeah, it's like it's.

2:01:28 Speaker 1: Yeah, so you actually saw a triangular craft.

2:01:34 Speaker 4: So in basic training, I went to basic training in

2:01:37 Speaker 4: Fort Sill, Oklahoma. The mountains are not there are no mountains,

2:01:41 Speaker 4: you know, but basically this is what it looks like,

2:01:43 Speaker 4: just kind of like, you know, kind of flat, kind

2:01:45 Speaker 4: of rolling hills. And I went in the summer of

2:01:48 Speaker 4: seven in June and July. You know, it was the

2:01:53 Speaker 4: end of May and then June and July, and then

2:01:55 Speaker 4: graduated at the end of July and two thousand and seven.

2:01:58 Speaker 3: It was like extremely rainy.

2:02:00 Speaker 4: I mean it was like flooding, uh the entire time,

2:02:03 Speaker 4: you know, So we didn't I didn't really have.

2:02:05 Speaker 3: A basic, Like my basic got flooded out.

2:02:07 Speaker 7: Uh.

2:02:08 Speaker 4: So you know our last our last night, you know,

2:02:11 Speaker 4: we were on our way back from the field after

2:02:13 Speaker 4: being out there you know for three for like.

2:02:16 Speaker 3: Three weeks, no shower.

2:02:18 Speaker 4: Uh, you know it you know, just dirty, it's can

2:02:20 Speaker 4: be tired, ready to get on, you know, to our

2:02:23 Speaker 4: job school which was on Ford sell to at uh

2:02:27 Speaker 4: the artillery school there. You know, they call it a

2:02:30 Speaker 4: I T advance something. Hell, I forgot what the name

2:02:34 Speaker 4: of it is, but I mean I forgot what it

2:02:36 Speaker 4: stands for. But it's like your advanced training school to

2:02:39 Speaker 4: where you learn how to be an artilleryman. And so

2:02:41 Speaker 4: this is our last night at Basic as far as

2:02:43 Speaker 4: our last night, you know, like out in the field

2:02:46 Speaker 4: training on our way back in, it's like three am.

2:02:49 Speaker 3: I'm in the back of the column. Uh and uh

2:02:53 Speaker 3: we're on you know, so those two columns, and then

2:02:54 Speaker 3: we only had one drill sergeant. Normally Basic training you

2:02:58 Speaker 3: have more than one drill sergeant, sometimes the three. But

2:03:01 Speaker 3: we actually had a a guy who was from the reserves,

2:03:05 Speaker 3: so like he was an Army reserved drill sergeant. And

2:03:07 Speaker 3: that's how short staff they were.

2:03:09 Speaker 4: It was right around that time when Iraq was kind

2:03:11 Speaker 4: of getting really bad and the surge was happening.

2:03:13 Speaker 3: They were short staff. So we had, you know, our

2:03:15 Speaker 3: single drill sergeant, drill sergeant rights and he was at

2:03:18 Speaker 3: the front of formation kind of how it looks right

2:03:20 Speaker 3: there and marching back and I'm one of the last

2:03:23 Speaker 3: people in the formation and I you know, like I

2:03:29 Speaker 3: see something out of the corner of my eye and

2:03:31 Speaker 3: I'm you know, I'm just tired.

2:03:33 Speaker 4: I mean I'm daydreaming about whatever, and all of a sudden,

2:03:37 Speaker 4: like I just I feel like, you know, I feel

2:03:39 Speaker 4: like maybe there's something, you know, big, and look. I

2:03:42 Speaker 4: kind of look over and it's like a black triangle massive.

2:03:46 Speaker 4: It's about the size of like a Major League baseball infield,

2:03:50 Speaker 4: and it, you know, had the three lights and a

2:03:53 Speaker 4: single light in the middle. The light may have been

2:03:54 Speaker 4: orange or but I think it was red. It's like

2:03:58 Speaker 4: reddish orange. And it just kind of like rotated. It

2:04:01 Speaker 4: was moving super slow, thirty five feet over my head.

2:04:06 Speaker 4: No sense of air coming off of it, propulsion or

2:04:09 Speaker 4: anything like that. It just kind of rotated like panned

2:04:13 Speaker 4: or I've used the term wafted, like it kind of wafted.

2:04:17 Speaker 4: I don't know, it stayed flat, but it just kind

2:04:19 Speaker 4: of rotated like over the back of the formation and

2:04:22 Speaker 4: then just it was gone.

2:04:24 Speaker 3: And it was the weirdest thing.

2:04:26 Speaker 4: I mean, it was really really weird, you know, but

2:04:30 Speaker 4: it's we were in basic so like when we got

2:04:33 Speaker 4: back in of course, we didn't say anything.

2:04:35 Speaker 8: Then.

2:04:35 Speaker 4: We didn't have any cameras on this. We were in

2:04:37 Speaker 4: basic training. And when we got back into the barracks,

2:04:40 Speaker 4: you know, it was five am. We were showering and

2:04:44 Speaker 4: going to sleep, and you know, about ten of us

2:04:46 Speaker 4: saw it. Ten that I'm aware of, you know, actually

2:04:49 Speaker 4: saw actually noticed it, but the rest of you know,

2:04:52 Speaker 4: the other one hundred something guys didn't even notice it.

2:04:54 Speaker 4: And I mean, this thing was it was massive.

2:04:57 Speaker 3: You know, it was the biggest craft that I have

2:04:59 Speaker 3: ever It's like the the biggest aircraft that I've ever

2:05:01 Speaker 3: seen outside, you know, that's not like a plane.

2:05:04 Speaker 4: Uh, I mean, it was just oh, I mean, it

2:05:06 Speaker 4: was freaking huge, and but it was super quiet, no sound.

2:05:10 Speaker 4: I didn't feel any effects of like any radiation or anything.

2:05:13 Speaker 4: How people talk about that's something people ask about if

2:05:16 Speaker 4: any of us have had any type of medical effects

2:05:18 Speaker 4: from it, not that I know of.

2:05:20 Speaker 3: And uh yeah, creepy.

2:05:23 Speaker 4: Like the more that I think back on it, the

2:05:25 Speaker 4: more creeped out that I get. But at the time,

2:05:27 Speaker 4: we just, you know, the ten of us you know,

2:05:29 Speaker 4: kind of said something, you know, like, hey, did you

2:05:31 Speaker 4: see that?

2:05:31 Speaker 3: Yeah? I saw that, you know, and that was it.

2:05:33 Speaker 3: And then we just went onto basic.

2:05:35 Speaker 4: I mean, went onto AIT and you know, mentioned it

2:05:38 Speaker 4: a couple of times, but you know, I never really

2:05:40 Speaker 4: thought about it, and until uh, you know, I mean

2:05:44 Speaker 4: I never really thought about it again. After after my

2:05:47 Speaker 4: AIT until you know, a couple of years ago when

2:05:50 Speaker 4: it kind of came back into my mind and I

2:05:52 Speaker 4: was seeing like, yeah, that was that was pretty significant,

2:05:55 Speaker 4: you know that. Yeah, I think I thought about it

2:05:58 Speaker 4: again because I saw like a TR three B patent,

2:06:01 Speaker 4: Like I saw that patent that's passed around the community.

2:06:04 Speaker 4: I wasn't in the community at the time, but I

2:06:06 Speaker 4: saw it on the Internet and I was like, oh,

2:06:08 Speaker 4: that's that's what I saw.

2:06:09 Speaker 3: That's exactly what I saw.

2:06:11 Speaker 1: Gen and Stealth Lockheed something like that.

2:06:16 Speaker 3: The thing is is like, there isn't any air force

2:06:19 Speaker 3: that I know of on Ford Seal, but they do

2:06:21 Speaker 3: have a massive balloon hangar. That's what it was used for.

2:06:24 Speaker 4: But it's a massive It's one of the biggest buildings

2:06:27 Speaker 4: that I've ever seen on a military base. And it's

2:06:30 Speaker 4: like an old I mean, that's what it was used for,

2:06:32 Speaker 4: was a balloon hanger. And I remember, like you know,

2:06:35 Speaker 4: when we would be marching in and out from the field,

2:06:37 Speaker 4: always kind of looking at it and just feeling like wow,

2:06:39 Speaker 4: like I wonder what's in there, I mean, massive building.

2:06:42 Speaker 4: I haven't been able to find it on Google Earth.

2:06:45 Speaker 4: I mean, like I tried looking for it. Maybe they

2:06:47 Speaker 4: tore it down or something. I could go back and

2:06:50 Speaker 4: look at the hotel.

2:06:52 Speaker 20: Put ale on it. I mean, the bottom line is

2:06:57 Speaker 20: that also like I'm not the only one that and

2:07:00 Speaker 20: like me and my nine friends are not the only

2:07:02 Speaker 20: ones that have, uh you know that saw it. You know,

2:07:05 Speaker 20: there's other soldiers that have reported on like the National

2:07:08 Speaker 20: UFO Reporting Center website, other people that live in Fort

2:07:12 Speaker 20: Sill and the surrounding city of.

2:07:14 Speaker 3: Lawton, you know, who have seen the Black Triangle.

2:07:19 Speaker 1: Right, I've talked to a lot of people that have

2:07:25 Speaker 1: that have seen something similar. And you said, it made

2:07:30 Speaker 1: no noise.

2:07:32 Speaker 4: None, and like the way that it moved. The only

2:07:34 Speaker 4: video that I've ever seen that made me think of it.

2:07:37 Speaker 4: It's one that I I'm pretty sure is fake, but

2:07:39 Speaker 4: it's the one where it's like the Black Triangle video

2:07:42 Speaker 4: that Tom DeLong was like, Yeah, the one that like

2:07:47 Speaker 4: went into warp speed or whatever, the way that it wafts,

2:07:49 Speaker 4: like the way that it kind of rotates there towards

2:07:52 Speaker 4: the end before it kind of settles and goes into

2:07:54 Speaker 4: warp speed.

2:07:55 Speaker 3: That's exactly what it looked like.

2:07:57 Speaker 4: But you know, and then of course like it kind

2:07:59 Speaker 4: of you know how you have seen some t R

2:08:01 Speaker 4: three B videos where it's like you're kind of looking

2:08:03 Speaker 4: up at it and it's like the blinding light. That's

2:08:06 Speaker 4: how it kind of you know, as it passed over me.

2:08:09 Speaker 4: I just remember that's what it felt like.

2:08:11 Speaker 3: But I don't know.

2:08:13 Speaker 4: I mean, if you were gonna train, like you know,

2:08:16 Speaker 4: the Mick West inside of me says, well, if if

2:08:19 Speaker 4: like you were gonna you know, uh, test out a

2:08:22 Speaker 4: piece of equipment like that or train, you know, have

2:08:24 Speaker 4: have pilots train on it, wouldn't you use it, you know,

2:08:28 Speaker 4: on a base that had basic training soldiers, guys that

2:08:30 Speaker 4: didn't have cameras, no phones, you know, weren't going anywhere

2:08:34 Speaker 4: for a while.

2:08:34 Speaker 3: Wouldn't you that that would be the environment?

2:08:37 Speaker 7: Right?

2:08:38 Speaker 4: But also there's something that just didn't strike me as like,

2:08:42 Speaker 4: I don't know, there's something really really creepy about it.

2:08:45 Speaker 21: And let me ask you one thing. Yeah, do you

2:08:51 Speaker 21: think that our military, whether it's our military, the public military,

2:08:59 Speaker 21: or some sort of fucking you know, like the late

2:09:03 Speaker 21: Senator Daniel Innoway talked about, uh shadow government, you know,

2:09:07 Speaker 21: their military.

2:09:10 Speaker 1: Do you think that they could you know, be that

2:09:15 Speaker 1: they would conduct tests against our facilities too? Because we

2:09:22 Speaker 1: are the best of the best, you know, quote unquote

2:09:26 Speaker 1: that they would they would test to see the reaction

2:09:30 Speaker 1: of our soldiers, our marine, our Air Force.

2:09:36 Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, and like I mean they've done tests like

2:09:39 Speaker 4: Operation Big Buzzs were like they've gone to a step further.

2:09:43 Speaker 4: We're like you know that you know the Tuskegee Airman

2:09:46 Speaker 4: experiments or Operation Big Buzz where they dropped like a

2:09:48 Speaker 4: million mosquitoes like over San Francisco. Give a shit about us,

2:09:54 Speaker 4: Like they don't give a shit about us. They don't.

2:09:56 Speaker 4: They don't care about anybody. They don't care about soldiers.

2:09:58 Speaker 4: They don't care about the president like they you know,

2:10:01 Speaker 4: it's like whatever that forces you know, driving you know

2:10:05 Speaker 4: by the deep state or whatever you want to call it,

2:10:07 Speaker 4: whatever that you know, that dark forces. Man, they it's

2:10:10 Speaker 4: like it doesn't give a shit about us. It doesn't

2:10:13 Speaker 4: care about anybody soldiers. Like man never a stay in school.

2:10:19 Speaker 4: If there's any kids out there, like, don't don't join

2:10:21 Speaker 4: the military unless unless you really have to, you know,

2:10:24 Speaker 4: like I'm a tradesman or something.

2:10:26 Speaker 3: I do not recommend military service nowadays.

2:10:29 Speaker 1: You know, it's lowest numbers and I think of all

2:10:34 Speaker 1: time for enlisting so huge problem there, guys. We are

2:10:41 Speaker 1: four hours and sixteen minutes in. I want to give

2:10:48 Speaker 1: the floor to Arthur for a second. Shout out everything

2:10:53 Speaker 1: you're doing, everything that's coming up. I know that you

2:10:58 Speaker 1: and I had talked about doing a part you and

2:11:03 Speaker 1: I think this was really fun. Uh and I think,

2:11:06 Speaker 1: uh that there's room for more of this type of interaction.

2:11:14 Speaker 3: Let's let's do the Jellyfish guys, because like I had

2:11:17 Speaker 3: a lot of research on that, Like I've done a lot,

2:11:19 Speaker 3: and I'm not I'm not I say it's a helicite,

2:11:21 Speaker 3: but I'm not sure.

2:11:24 Speaker 1: It's an interesting case. I will say that. I will

2:11:28 Speaker 1: say that, I will say that I even am on

2:11:34 Speaker 1: the line with that one, you know, and I'm like,

2:11:39 Speaker 1: I don't know, Like I just don't know. I don't know,

2:11:42 Speaker 1: but Grider, thank you, Arthur, plug your plug, your uh

2:11:50 Speaker 1: what's going on?

2:11:51 Speaker 2: Yeah, So I got YouTube channel Truth Coalition and I'm

2:11:56 Speaker 2: on Twitter, and I would just say this case is

2:11:59 Speaker 2: important because it's a mass sighting and a military installation

2:12:04 Speaker 2: with active duty witnesses. That makes it a class of

2:12:07 Speaker 2: its own. And I really encourage the community to take

2:12:10 Speaker 2: a second look at this case. Maybe we can get

2:12:12 Speaker 2: some more witnesses to come forward, maybe we can get

2:12:14 Speaker 2: some more video to come out, and not not to

2:12:18 Speaker 2: just instantly dismiss it with a low amount of information

2:12:23 Speaker 2: because of like Mick West or something that you saw.

2:12:26 Speaker 2: And I just want to thank you Tye and I

2:12:28 Speaker 2: want to thank you Grider. It was a great debate

2:12:30 Speaker 2: and we kept it, and we kept it. I think

2:12:32 Speaker 2: we said a good example. So thank you, good much.

2:12:37 Speaker 1: All right, Arthur, your turn. Where can people find you

2:12:40 Speaker 1: on Twitter? And how can they continue to follow what

2:12:45 Speaker 1: you're doing on there?

2:12:49 Speaker 2: I think, Grider go, Grider Great?

2:12:53 Speaker 1: What did I say again?

2:12:55 Speaker 4: Yeah? You said, Arthur, Oh yeah you can just you

2:13:02 Speaker 4: can find me on on Twitter. That's really I mean,

2:13:05 Speaker 4: that's really all I do. I you know, like I'm

2:13:07 Speaker 4: just standing for the fun like I uh yeah, I'm

2:13:10 Speaker 4: just you know, mostly I spend time in like spaces,

2:13:13 Speaker 4: you know, although I don't know that that's kind of

2:13:14 Speaker 4: on the down and fall after you know, I had

2:13:16 Speaker 4: a tumultuous week this past week, but maybe on the rebound,

2:13:20 Speaker 4: I don't know, but uh, hopefully doing more podcasts, you know,

2:13:22 Speaker 4: I mean anytime that I can come on, you know,

2:13:25 Speaker 4: I mean anytime that we have something to talk about.

2:13:27 Speaker 4: I think us three could really do you know some

2:13:29 Speaker 4: good I mean absolutely yeah, And I thank you so

2:13:31 Speaker 4: much for having me on. Thank you Arthur for being

2:13:33 Speaker 4: such a good sport. And you know, you know that

2:13:35 Speaker 4: it's like it's all out of love, man, like it's

2:13:37 Speaker 4: all out of respect. We wouldn't be here talking. We

2:13:39 Speaker 4: would not have done this if it wasn't for you.

2:13:40 Speaker 4: And you're stubborn this right. There's something to be said

2:13:43 Speaker 4: about conviction nowadays. You know, people are too wishy washy.

2:13:46 Speaker 4: You gotta have a you know, to be a person

2:13:48 Speaker 4: with conviction. I mean that that says something.

2:13:50 Speaker 3: Man. I respect you, I really do, and I respect

2:13:54 Speaker 3: you too, and thank you. Yeah.

2:13:57 Speaker 4: So just uh it's higher Earth orbit and then high

2:14:01 Speaker 4: Earth orbit and then I think it's an underscore So

2:14:03 Speaker 4: at high Earth orbit underscore Twitter grider and you know

2:14:08 Speaker 4: you follow me if you want to.

2:14:09 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, but yeah, follow him, guys,

2:14:12 Speaker 1: follow him.

2:14:12 Speaker 3: He does.

2:14:14 Speaker 1: He's a great guy. So with that being wait wait

2:14:19 Speaker 1: wait wait wait wait wait wait, you're in the front spot.

2:14:23 Speaker 1: With that being said, uh, this conversation has gone so

2:14:27 Speaker 1: long at my DAR is out of battery. Some on

2:14:32 Speaker 1: the webcam.

2:14:35 Speaker 3: Thank you everyone, good man, just say thank you to

2:14:39 Speaker 3: John Greenwald and everybody else.

2:14:42 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, foya out in the community. I think it's

2:14:46 Speaker 4: it's And also to Jeremy and George. You know, although

2:14:48 Speaker 4: I may not agree with a lot of the you know,

2:14:51 Speaker 4: I may not be the biggest fan of you know,

2:14:53 Speaker 4: some of the cases, you guys do a great service,

2:14:55 Speaker 4: you know, I mean, this is highly entertaining. You guys

2:14:58 Speaker 4: are you know, the best entertainers that we have the community.

2:15:00 Speaker 4: So yeah, thanks thanks for bringing this case out. You know,

2:15:05 Speaker 4: no matter what turns out, like, if you guys keep

2:15:06 Speaker 4: bringing cases like this that we can have conversations.

2:15:09 Speaker 3: About, then that's that's all that matters.

2:15:11 Speaker 7: You know.

2:15:12 Speaker 4: Well you're closer to the truth, you know, either way.

2:15:14 Speaker 4: So yeah, that's that's all I gotta say. Thanks.

2:15:19 Speaker 1: Love that, Love that man. So I'm gonna take us

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2:16:32 Speaker 1: twenty nine palms UFO case, I don't know what do

2:16:39 Speaker 1: we say? Do we say? I say it's ongoing, and

2:16:45 Speaker 1: since I'm the only one here, it's ongoing to be determined.

2:16:50 Speaker 1: More on this as it develops, And.

2:16:59 Speaker 3: I think that.

2:17:31 Speaker 2: Step step and

2:17:37 Speaker 7: A h