Pt. 1: 29 Palms Military Base MASS UFO. "A Debate" feat. Ret. Veteran Grider & Arthur Preston

0:06 Speaker 1: All right, guys, welcome back to Total Disclosure. We have

0:10 Speaker 1: a special presentation for you tonight. Tonight. I've been seeing

0:16 Speaker 1: that has been in the works for some time and

0:21 Speaker 1: I just got involved very recently. It has to do

0:25 Speaker 1: with the twenty nine Palms mass sighting case where over

0:31 Speaker 1: fifty Marines allegedly saw lights in the sky unprompted, unknowingly

0:40 Speaker 1: and reported as a UFO corbel George Knapp and the

0:46 Speaker 1: platform weaponized where the first ones to break said story,

0:51 Speaker 1: and since then a lot of back and forth has

0:54 Speaker 1: been going down throughout not just a community, but we're

0:59 Speaker 1: talking Department of Defense spokes spokesperson Susan Go getting an

1:06 Speaker 1: answer within twenty four hours from the base saying that

1:10 Speaker 1: it was that simply an exercise and that there was

1:15 Speaker 1: no UAP in the vicinity. So much more, We're gonna

1:22 Speaker 1: break it all down. I don't want to waste too

1:23 Speaker 1: much time. We're gonna do this in a structure debate style,

1:27 Speaker 1: very very gentleman esque. Yeah, there'll be a little drama,

1:31 Speaker 1: tensions will flare, but we'll keep it to a minimum.

1:35 Speaker 1: With that being said, like share, subscribe, and if you

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1:42 Speaker 1: is not the time for that. I'm gonna bring these

1:45 Speaker 1: guys in so arguing and on the side of anomaly

1:51 Speaker 1: and a UFO is Arthur President, who is just on

1:55 Speaker 1: our live show revamped Arthur. You are continuing the research

2:02 Speaker 1: into this case, bringing it up to speed, up to date,

2:08 Speaker 1: while you know it's kind of been in the lull.

2:12 Speaker 1: Jeremy really hasn't come out and given any more evidence,

2:17 Speaker 1: but you've been continuing to work on the case.

2:19 Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you, Ty, and thanks for having me on.

2:23 Speaker 2: I definitely think it's UFOs. I think the community is

2:26 Speaker 2: mostly wrong. I think they got it wrong on this one.

2:28 Speaker 2: So I want to thank you Ty for shining some

2:32 Speaker 2: light on this case again and getting the dialogue going

2:35 Speaker 2: and some more debate going, because I think it's really

2:37 Speaker 2: an important case.

2:39 Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm not really sure what just happened. It's said

2:46 Speaker 1: go live, it said that we weren't live. Are we

2:50 Speaker 1: live right now?

2:51 Speaker 3: Yeah?

2:52 Speaker 2: I saw we're live.

2:54 Speaker 1: If anyone's listening around right now, I just want to

3:00 Speaker 1: before I bring Grider, Okay, we are, because there was

3:04 Speaker 1: there was like a disconnect between my computer and what

3:07 Speaker 1: was actually happening. Sorry about that, guys, grider. You you'll

3:14 Speaker 1: have military experience with flares. You are opposing the view

3:21 Speaker 1: that this was some sort of anomaly, that this was

3:24 Speaker 1: just another routine training exercise held at a base in

3:29 Speaker 1: California that is known for doing training and exercises.

3:36 Speaker 4: Yeah, guys, hey, thank you so much for having me.

3:38 Speaker 4: Ty Arthur, it's good to see you again. I'm here to,

3:42 Speaker 4: you know, rebunk the debunk on the original. I mean,

3:46 Speaker 4: you're a reality debunker, Arthur. You're just you're trying to

3:49 Speaker 4: make up, you know, something that's not there.

3:51 Speaker 3: I'm here to set the I mean, I'm here to

3:53 Speaker 3: set the record straight and put this case in straight

3:55 Speaker 3: into bed all right forever, because we're sick of this.

3:57 Speaker 3: I mean, we're tired of all this nonsense. Right, it

4:00 Speaker 3: was Flairs. I've got the documents, all right, I've got

4:04 Speaker 3: the proof, the facts. You're done. All right, You're done tonight.

4:08 Speaker 3: It ends tonight.

4:12 Speaker 1: Already. I like I said, I love it. I love

4:14 Speaker 1: it so again. We are going to allow for everyone

4:19 Speaker 1: to get their moment in the sun. Their their their

4:26 Speaker 1: main caveat, they're getting their best foot forward. Now, I

4:31 Speaker 1: do want to go over a couple things. Now, I

4:35 Speaker 1: think what would be best is an introduction of each

4:41 Speaker 1: person from each person, lasting five anywhere five seven minutes,

4:47 Speaker 1: to briefly introduce your reference frame and your opposing viewpoints,

4:55 Speaker 1: the flares versusu AP anomaly, and we'll kind of go

5:00 Speaker 1: from go from there, introducing evidence, calling it out by number,

5:07 Speaker 1: and half are back and forth.

5:10 Speaker 3: So can I go on in a start?

5:12 Speaker 1: I guess yes, you may.

5:14 Speaker 3: All right.

5:15 Speaker 4: So, basically my experience that lends me some credibility in

5:22 Speaker 4: this is that I was a former foot artilleryman in

5:26 Speaker 4: the United States Army. I was a thirteen Bravo, which

5:29 Speaker 4: is a canning crew member basically, which went and I

5:32 Speaker 4: fired artillery. That was what I did all deployment. And

5:37 Speaker 4: I probably fired over ten thousand rounds in my life,

5:41 Speaker 4: with probably twenty five hundred being illumination rounds, which are

5:43 Speaker 4: basically parachute flares, not the same as aircraft parachute flaares,

5:48 Speaker 4: you know, which is what we see in.

5:49 Speaker 3: This video, but same type of you know, same type

5:53 Speaker 3: of device. And so basically excuse me. It's basically what.

6:01 Speaker 4: Arthur's going to do is he's gonna come out and

6:03 Speaker 4: he's going to talk about the credibility of the witnesses

6:05 Speaker 4: and the you know, he's gonna say that, uh, you

6:08 Speaker 4: know that there were fifty marines that saw it and

6:11 Speaker 4: that they said that it wasn't Flair's and that they

6:14 Speaker 4: know because of their experience and YadA, YadA, YadA. And

6:17 Speaker 4: then he's going to, uh talk about how Susan go

6:20 Speaker 4: you know, quickly dismissed the case, you know, with then

6:22 Speaker 4: you know she was able to come out with when

6:25 Speaker 4: a couple.

6:25 Speaker 3: Of hours I think, you know, I think by lunch, Yeah,

6:29 Speaker 3: like by lunch that day, so like it was submitted

6:31 Speaker 3: in like one am, and then by noon, you know,

6:36 Speaker 3: she had she had a statement out.

6:38 Speaker 4: Well, I mean that okay, you know I can kind

6:40 Speaker 4: of give Arthur that. And then he's going to talk about,

6:43 Speaker 4: you know, maybe the comparison to like the Phoenix Light incidents,

6:45 Speaker 4: you know, talk about how it's it's comparable though there's

6:48 Speaker 4: something to be drawn there, you know, and he's going to, uh,

6:50 Speaker 4: you know, he's going to say a lot of things

6:53 Speaker 4: that are not true, and I'm going to tack all

6:55 Speaker 4: that because I've got the evidence. I've got the exact

6:58 Speaker 4: evidence showing that there were a lumination rounds. I are

7:01 Speaker 4: illumination rounds being used in the massive air exercise that

7:06 Speaker 4: was taking place at that exact time that they had

7:10 Speaker 4: the sighting. I have the documents thanks to John Greenwald.

7:13 Speaker 4: Thank you, sir. If you're out there listening, you're probably not.

7:16 Speaker 1: But he's a friend of the show.

7:18 Speaker 4: Oh he is out there listening. Thank you, Thank you John.

7:22 Speaker 4: You yeah, man, you really helped. You know, you're great

7:25 Speaker 4: with Foya Black Vault, best side ever.

7:27 Speaker 3: But yeah, I have the exact the exact type of

7:31 Speaker 3: aircraft that fired those rounds, the exact planned FTX schedule,

7:36 Speaker 3: which is a field training exercise. I know the exact

7:40 Speaker 3: you know pathway that it took across the twenty nine

7:43 Speaker 3: Palms range. I can prove with maps, you know that

7:46 Speaker 3: the exact location that the flares were dropped over is

7:49 Speaker 3: the only place within twenty nine Palms that is cleared

7:52 Speaker 3: for that type of ordinance to be used. We're gonna

7:55 Speaker 3: look at pictures where I'm gonna, you know, show you

7:57 Speaker 3: which I think is the Mick West debunk that has

7:59 Speaker 3: already been kind kind of you know, beating like a

8:01 Speaker 3: dead horse, but uh, you know it's He's also.

8:06 Speaker 1: He's also a friend of the show. And and and

8:10 Speaker 1: unlike others in the community, I don't think. I don't

8:14 Speaker 1: dismiss him. I think he keeps us grounded in a

8:18 Speaker 1: way that you know, there are some cases that are

8:22 Speaker 1: pretty cut and dry mis identifications.

8:25 Speaker 3: Absolutely.

8:26 Speaker 4: I mean, I'm a fan of Micwest personally, but yeah,

8:30 Speaker 4: he does great work. But I haven't even looked at

8:32 Speaker 4: any of his work, I promise Scouts honor. Like all

8:36 Speaker 4: the research that I've done is from my own brain,

8:38 Speaker 4: so it may not be up to the level of

8:40 Speaker 4: Mick West.

8:40 Speaker 3: But.

8:42 Speaker 4: I think I'm pretty confident, you know, and being able

8:45 Speaker 4: to make this case, and I just want to, you know,

8:48 Speaker 4: kind of make it a point, you know, that people

8:50 Speaker 4: need to that people could look at this case. There's

8:53 Speaker 4: something to be learned from as far as paxes and

8:55 Speaker 4: the way that hoaxes develop and they perpetuate across like,

8:59 Speaker 4: you know, years, decades, even about how group think and

9:04 Speaker 4: about how I mean, I have a well, there's an

9:08 Speaker 4: entire segment that I have where I've got bullet points

9:10 Speaker 4: listening how a hoax develops and going back to like

9:13 Speaker 4: the Philadelphia experiment and Bob Blazar and talking about how

9:16 Speaker 4: those perpetuated and comparing those to this case. And yeah,

9:20 Speaker 4: so I mean we'll get into that later, but that's

9:22 Speaker 4: my introduction.

9:23 Speaker 3: And thanks.

9:24 Speaker 1: Okay, So just to be clear about your experience, you

9:27 Speaker 1: don't have experience with the the flair and I'm and

9:33 Speaker 1: I'm just I'm not I'm not belittling you. I'm not.

9:35 Speaker 1: I'm not discrediting your experience with flaares overall. I'm just

9:40 Speaker 1: simply trying to clarify the illumin arounds that you say

9:47 Speaker 1: are in the air you didn't ever actually deploy.

9:54 Speaker 4: No, I was never in the Air Force. Yeah, are

9:56 Speaker 4: in the Marines. I was never a crew member on

9:58 Speaker 4: an aircraft. But it's the exact same thing. It's the

10:01 Speaker 4: exact same type of chemicals, the exact same like, the

10:05 Speaker 4: exact same mechanism of deployment.

10:07 Speaker 3: Uh, It's it's identical almost.

10:11 Speaker 1: Okay, okay, all right, So thank you, Griider. I'm gonna

10:17 Speaker 1: pull it over to Arthur, let him get his moment

10:20 Speaker 1: to kind of like let us know where he's coming from,

10:25 Speaker 1: where he's gonna start his you know where he's going

10:30 Speaker 1: to start his evidence trail. Uh, and uh, you know,

10:34 Speaker 1: give us his brief five minutes.

10:37 Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you, I thank you Grid and Ty. Yeah.

10:40 Speaker 2: So my my position is that this was a genuine

10:44 Speaker 2: UAP event. It wasn't misidentified flares. There's quite a few

10:51 Speaker 2: points I want to make, but I think writer is

10:53 Speaker 2: gonna undermine the credibility of the witnesses. I think he

10:58 Speaker 2: might start throwing out, you know, fantasies or you know

11:03 Speaker 2: ideas that these guys are throwing a practical joke and

11:05 Speaker 2: making this up. And I just want to make it

11:07 Speaker 2: very clear. I think all the witnesses are telling the truth.

11:11 Speaker 2: I think they're very sincere. I don't think they're misremembering.

11:14 Speaker 2: And that's probably some of our strongest evidence is the witnesses,

11:18 Speaker 2: and most all of the skeptics want to ignore all

11:21 Speaker 2: of the witnesses and their testimony. And these are military witnesses,

11:24 Speaker 2: and we have five of them that actually adds a

11:27 Speaker 2: lot of credibility in this case, has a lot of

11:30 Speaker 2: information associated with it. We have like seven videos, we

11:34 Speaker 2: have like five low light photos of the event, and

11:41 Speaker 2: we have metadata associated with a lot of this. And

11:44 Speaker 2: then we have a whole tranch of Foya documents and

11:47 Speaker 2: Foya photos and Foya videos also with metadata. And that's

11:51 Speaker 2: where I've done most of My analysis is comparing the

11:54 Speaker 2: FOYA documents to the original documents, and in that analysis,

12:00 Speaker 2: I think I found very strong evidence of fraud, meaning

12:03 Speaker 2: that this was some sort of pre bunking operation by

12:09 Speaker 2: arrow Susan Go the Department of Defense, and that this

12:12 Speaker 2: was a major event, a mass sighting witness not by

12:15 Speaker 2: only fifty that was the bare minimum of fifty. According

12:18 Speaker 2: to witnesses, Probably in the hundreds, if not up to

12:21 Speaker 2: one thousand people witnessed this. In one photo alone, we

12:24 Speaker 2: see like six people with their phone their smartphones out

12:28 Speaker 2: recording it. So there's probably a bunch more video out there.

12:32 Speaker 2: And I want to bring some more light to this

12:34 Speaker 2: case and maybe we can get some more evidence, some

12:36 Speaker 2: more witnesses, some more video or photos of the event,

12:41 Speaker 2: and this could become the next Phoenix Lights. This could

12:44 Speaker 2: be as big as the Phoenix Lights because this is

12:46 Speaker 2: a mass sighting at a military base. We have on

12:49 Speaker 2: duty witnesses, military witnesses and video so this and I

12:54 Speaker 2: think it was a big mistake that the community glanced

12:59 Speaker 2: over this having some technical issues.

13:02 Speaker 1: No no, no, you're goals.

13:05 Speaker 2: I think it was a major mistake that the community

13:07 Speaker 2: moved on from this case. So quickly. I think a

13:10 Speaker 2: lot of the community is operating on kind of a

13:13 Speaker 2: low information basis on this case. They they got the

13:16 Speaker 2: debunk from Mick West and John Greenwald, you know, within

13:19 Speaker 2: twenty four hours. It was very compelling at first glance.

13:23 Speaker 2: So at first glance their debunks seemed like conclusive, and

13:27 Speaker 2: most people just kind of accepted it and moved on,

13:29 Speaker 2: never really dug into this case ever.

13:32 Speaker 1: And I will say that I am one of those

13:35 Speaker 1: people who did really see this case and just kind

13:41 Speaker 1: of let it go in it and want to hear

13:44 Speaker 1: out the other So I want to hold it on something.

13:50 Speaker 1: What you have no military experience.

13:54 Speaker 2: Right, correct?

13:56 Speaker 1: Do you have any background in flair and illumination?

14:02 Speaker 2: No, no firsthand experience with Flair's I guess the only

14:06 Speaker 2: thing that might add its first credentials wise is I

14:09 Speaker 2: do have a degree in biology which had physics training,

14:12 Speaker 2: so I have taken you know, the basic physics courses,

14:16 Speaker 2: and then I also have a master's screen public alpaation

14:19 Speaker 2: isn't really applicable at all to this, but I have

14:21 Speaker 2: scientific training, so I'm applying my research skills to this case.

14:26 Speaker 1: So and that's where I was trying to get to

14:28 Speaker 1: so I think what we should do is we should

14:32 Speaker 1: start with very simple, very very very simple. There's an

14:39 Speaker 1: argument that you both make, and it has to do

14:45 Speaker 1: with the witnesses and the credibility of the witnesses. So

14:52 Speaker 1: I kind of want to start there, maybe with some

14:55 Speaker 1: of the videos and kind of watching them, going through

15:00 Speaker 1: them together, uh and then having you each uh point

15:05 Speaker 1: out your side. If that makes sense, let me a

15:08 Speaker 1: mute grinder.

15:10 Speaker 2: That sounds good. I think we should. You should go

15:13 Speaker 2: over the videos, the evidence, kind of educate the audience,

15:19 Speaker 2: the the you know, the the core of this case.

15:23 Speaker 1: Yes, so good.

15:27 Speaker 4: So what I'm asserting is that there is no way

15:31 Speaker 4: that the Marines did not know what was going on.

15:34 Speaker 4: I'm not calling them liars. I'm calling them perceptive. And

15:39 Speaker 4: that's a really, that's a really. I mean like that's like,

15:42 Speaker 4: I'm the type of person where as a veteran like

15:45 Speaker 4: I would give anything if I came across a veteran

15:47 Speaker 4: on the street that needed help or whatever. It's like,

15:50 Speaker 4: those are my brothers. But they're pulling everybody's chain and

15:53 Speaker 4: they know it, and they they absolutely know it. And

15:56 Speaker 4: I'm going to prove by the end of this that

15:57 Speaker 4: it's undeniable that they know it.

16:00 Speaker 1: See I was going to mention that earlier that did

16:03 Speaker 1: bring It sparked something in me that you are essentially

16:12 Speaker 1: not not like you said, you're not dishonoring the military,

16:22 Speaker 1: but you're saying that these group of individuals are perpetuating

16:28 Speaker 1: some sort of hoax and with knowledge of it being

16:35 Speaker 1: some sort of test and something that they could have

16:38 Speaker 1: timed and shown to the world as a UFO.

16:44 Speaker 4: That's not what I'm no, like, I want to go

16:47 Speaker 4: that far. What I am saying is that there's no

16:49 Speaker 4: way that they did not know that those are flares.

16:53 Speaker 4: There's no way. And by by the end of this,

16:57 Speaker 4: it'll be really really clear why I say that. Am

16:59 Speaker 4: I calling the liars?

17:01 Speaker 3: No?

17:02 Speaker 1: But well I have to. I think we have to

17:05 Speaker 1: make a distinction. I well, one second, I think we

17:09 Speaker 1: need to make a distinction before we hear them, because

17:12 Speaker 1: they either they are there a are liars and they're lying.

17:18 Speaker 1: Now after the event happened, and maybe I wasn't right,

17:23 Speaker 1: maybe I didn't phrase that correctly, but a time, place,

17:30 Speaker 1: and situation arose. They got video of it and reported

17:36 Speaker 1: it to Jerry meet Carbell. So somewhere along the lines,

17:40 Speaker 1: you would have to be saying that they are lying.

17:44 Speaker 4: All right there, my brothers, but and I respect them,

17:48 Speaker 4: and but somebody's lying about this. I don't know somebody

17:52 Speaker 4: absolutely is lying, like yeah.

17:57 Speaker 1: And I can agree with you there, I absolutely kind

18:01 Speaker 1: of think Arthur could even.

18:02 Speaker 2: I just want a little clarity on that where they

18:04 Speaker 2: because we have the witnesses reacting in live time on

18:08 Speaker 2: the video, and we also have interviews with the witnesses

18:11 Speaker 2: at a later point of time. Are you suggesting that

18:14 Speaker 2: they were lying in both of those k both in

18:17 Speaker 2: live time and then later down as they are interviewed

18:20 Speaker 2: at a later point in time.

18:23 Speaker 3: Definitely not.

18:24 Speaker 4: I'm not saying anybody is specifically lying because I do

18:27 Speaker 4: not know for a fact what that person is actually

18:30 Speaker 4: was actually thinking and is actually thinking even nowadays, Like

18:33 Speaker 4: I have no idea what they're thinking inside their head.

18:36 Speaker 4: If they really believe that there's some the thing is

18:39 Speaker 4: like seeing IR flares, that's a rarity.

18:41 Speaker 3: So most of those soldiers, you know, you think, oh, yeah,

18:45 Speaker 3: well they were Marines, but I guarantee that most of

18:49 Speaker 3: them were fresh out of you know, basic they were probably.

18:51 Speaker 2: You actually don't know that writer, You don't know what

18:54 Speaker 2: any of their ranks were.

18:57 Speaker 3: They were definitely like lower enlisted apps. You can just

19:00 Speaker 3: tell the by the way that they talk.

19:02 Speaker 2: You're guessing that. I tend to agree that they sound young,

19:06 Speaker 2: but that is just a guess on our behalf.

19:08 Speaker 3: At the end of the day, most of the people

19:10 Speaker 3: that are in the military are young. You know that, right.

19:13 Speaker 2: They're trained Marines.

19:16 Speaker 3: They were in training, you know at that time.

19:18 Speaker 2: And it's not boot camp. They're out of boot I mean.

19:22 Speaker 1: Yeah, but Camp Wilson, if if I'm not mistaken, Camp

19:27 Speaker 1: Wilson is a staging area for the most part. It's

19:31 Speaker 1: not just a staging area, but it it's you are

19:37 Speaker 1: sent there right before you head out to the range.

19:42 Speaker 1: If I'm not mistaken, that's the intel I've gathered. So

19:48 Speaker 1: it seems like they would be on the younger side

19:53 Speaker 1: if I had to say, But I don't think that

19:56 Speaker 1: necessarily discounts anything.

20:03 Speaker 2: Well, these guys are making life decisions. I mean, they're trusting.

20:08 Speaker 2: You know, these guys are firing heavy weapons, and they're

20:11 Speaker 2: not children. They're not idiots, even though they might be new.

20:18 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, you didn't. You did not say that.

20:20 Speaker 2: I'm just saying that to the audience.

20:21 Speaker 3: So I guess, like, okay, so there's a point where

20:27 Speaker 3: I don't know if it's in the interview.

20:28 Speaker 4: I think it is. Actually no, I think it's in

20:30 Speaker 4: when they're actually having the sighting and one of them says, oh, well,

20:34 Speaker 4: you don't fire flares in a in a five gun

20:37 Speaker 4: you know, battery. Yeah, yeah, no, five guns in a battery.

20:40 Speaker 4: But you know, if you've been down range, then you

20:44 Speaker 4: know that are then you do know the aircraft, you know,

20:47 Speaker 4: drop in fives, They drop in sets of five.

20:50 Speaker 3: That's very, very common.

20:51 Speaker 4: So the fact that he said that and like he

20:53 Speaker 4: couldn't identify the difference between an indirect fired you know

20:58 Speaker 4: round that is a parachute flair like that would be

21:00 Speaker 4: in that's probably I don't know, that could be either

21:03 Speaker 4: or really but yeah, I mean that's uh.

21:07 Speaker 1: I'm just showing some examples of what flairs that's.

21:11 Speaker 4: That's yeah, see, that's probably artillery. And then this yeah

21:16 Speaker 4: five see, and I mean just look how this okay, well,

21:19 Speaker 4: I mean, you know, we'll get into it, but yeah,

21:21 Speaker 4: I mean, just the fact that and there's a couple

21:23 Speaker 4: of other points, you know, the where like the Marines

21:26 Speaker 4: kind of contradict themselves, and they kind of show that

21:28 Speaker 4: they don't really have a lot of experience. I mean,

21:30 Speaker 4: I'm not discounting, you know, these people as soldiers as individuals,

21:35 Speaker 4: like they're better than ninety percent of the people that

21:37 Speaker 4: are out there, the ninety percent of civilians. Like they've

21:40 Speaker 4: already made the sacrifice, they've already shown that they have character,

21:43 Speaker 4: that they have integrity, that they are, that they're men.

21:46 Speaker 4: That's not what I'm saying. I'm just saying that somebody

21:49 Speaker 4: is lying, and that's that's just how it is.

21:52 Speaker 1: Fair enough, fair enough, let's leave it there. Fly a

21:55 Speaker 1: little bit high on that one, all right. So I'm

22:01 Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna give it Arthur first. Arthur,

22:06 Speaker 1: what do you want me to pull out?

22:07 Speaker 2: Why don't we go through the Why don't you go

22:12 Speaker 2: through the videos? So why don't you bring up video

22:14 Speaker 2: one and we'll just go through the videos of the event,

22:18 Speaker 2: all right?

22:19 Speaker 1: Right, So what I want, yes, what I was gonna

22:22 Speaker 1: say is what I want to do, if we're gonna

22:24 Speaker 1: do the videos, is we're gonna give you both a

22:28 Speaker 1: chance to respond to the videos. Okay, okay, all right.

22:35 Speaker 1: I just want to make sure that in the media thread,

22:41 Speaker 1: it doesn't look like it.

22:43 Speaker 2: Should say event event video one.

22:47 Speaker 1: Oh I got it.

22:49 Speaker 3: Yeah. Hey, so all the videos, like all the official videos,

22:52 Speaker 3: you're gonna be.

22:55 Speaker 1: Yep, I got it here. I'm sorry, guys, this is

22:59 Speaker 1: gonna be This is gonna be a learning curve. Someone's

23:05 Speaker 1: got some.

23:17 Speaker 2: And just to put some context into this video that

23:19 Speaker 2: he's about to play, h he's using a cell phone

23:25 Speaker 2: to video the night sky. So they're actually seeing a

23:29 Speaker 2: lot more than what's going to be showing up in

23:30 Speaker 2: these videos. So you're gonna see some some lights in

23:33 Speaker 2: the sky, but just recognize that what we see on

23:36 Speaker 2: this video is probably less than what the people on

23:38 Speaker 2: the ground are actually seeing.

23:40 Speaker 1: All right, So we are going to go into full mode,

23:45 Speaker 1: so basically like a full full screen mode. Can you

23:51 Speaker 1: gotta see it?

23:53 Speaker 2: Yeah? What is Okay?

24:07 Speaker 5: That's it.

24:08 Speaker 2: So that's pretty short. A seventeen seconds is the first video.

24:12 Speaker 2: I guess what I would comment on this is that

24:14 Speaker 2: it's very symmetrical looking like in this first video, it's

24:19 Speaker 2: very symmetrical and like a B formation, So that's that's noteworthy.

24:23 Speaker 2: And then the other thing that's noteworthy is the witness

24:26 Speaker 2: is recording it. It says, what is that? So they

24:30 Speaker 2: at least he can't isn't able to identify it at

24:33 Speaker 2: that time.

24:36 Speaker 3: Okay, grader, I mean it's yeah, man, it's symmetrical right there.

24:42 Speaker 4: But why does it change shape? Like why does it

24:44 Speaker 4: become less of a like? Why does it lose its symmetricality?

24:48 Speaker 4: I don't know, Like, what's the word it's.

24:51 Speaker 2: It doesn't stay symmetry, It doesn't stay in that exact same.

24:56 Speaker 4: Yeah, why why not? I mean, what is this like

24:58 Speaker 4: a morphine? I mean, it's just like a uh a transformer.

25:02 Speaker 2: Well I would I would just say that a lot

25:04 Speaker 2: of people have pointed to that as an example of

25:08 Speaker 2: evidence that it's not a you know, fixed craft with

25:11 Speaker 2: fixed lights on it. So, you know, some people might

25:15 Speaker 2: be arguing that this is like a t R three

25:16 Speaker 2: B type craft, but as you'll see it in the videos,

25:21 Speaker 2: these lights do change in configurations, so it's not. We

25:25 Speaker 2: can we can rule out that it is a fixed

25:28 Speaker 2: body craft with fixed lights on it.

25:31 Speaker 3: And so why would why would the Aliens have big

25:35 Speaker 3: bright orange lights as uh like, why would like what

25:39 Speaker 3: would be the purpose of.

25:39 Speaker 2: That, Well, we can get to that later. Let's just

25:43 Speaker 2: go through the videos. I don't know. I can't. I'm

25:46 Speaker 2: not just I can't say what their purpose was.

25:50 Speaker 1: So this is a ventfite number two.

25:56 Speaker 3: Those are not a womb all right?

25:58 Speaker 1: I want to pause it right there, Right off the bat,

26:01 Speaker 1: we have someone saying those are not illom rounds. Now,

26:07 Speaker 1: why is it not showing you guys the videos?

26:10 Speaker 2: It was showing it, but now it's not.

26:14 Speaker 3: All right.

26:14 Speaker 6: I am just gonna go to the the read honestly

26:17 Speaker 6: for this one, because you have lead out here much better.

26:25 Speaker 3: There isn't anything in there that is.

26:30 Speaker 1: So why.

26:33 Speaker 2: Those are not illumin rounds because limb rounds fall?

26:36 Speaker 1: Okay, so those are not illum rounds because loom round ball.

26:43 Speaker 1: Why does he say that? If why can you explain, Grider,

26:49 Speaker 1: why a marine in the setting that that they're in

26:54 Speaker 1: would would say that so quickly, so assertively.

27:00 Speaker 4: I mean, I have no idea why you said that.

27:03 Speaker 4: But what he's saying, I mean, if that's at the

27:06 Speaker 4: beginning of the sighting, it's like these things fall pretty slowly.

27:10 Speaker 4: I mean they only fall it, you know, like four

27:12 Speaker 4: meters a second. You know, some even fall.

27:14 Speaker 2: You know, it wasn't the beginning of the sighting. So

27:17 Speaker 2: I can correct you right there, It wasn't the beginning.

27:19 Speaker 3: Of the sighting anyway when he looked at it, right.

27:21 Speaker 2: No, no, So if you look at the timeline, if

27:24 Speaker 2: you bring up the timeline that Corbell published.

27:28 Speaker 4: Line says these things were only up there for ten minutes,

27:30 Speaker 4: if you want to look at the official timeline, I

27:32 Speaker 4: have that that.

27:34 Speaker 1: Like, well, we'll get well, we'll get we'll get to.

27:37 Speaker 2: My point is if we that when the recording first

27:41 Speaker 2: started was not when the event first started. So this

27:46 Speaker 2: wasn't the beginning.

27:46 Speaker 5: Of the event.

27:48 Speaker 3: That guy's saying that how long has he been watching

27:50 Speaker 3: the flares?

27:51 Speaker 2: We don't don't we don't know.

27:54 Speaker 1: We don't know, Okay, and that's a you know what

27:58 Speaker 1: that's that that I would I would have to say

28:00 Speaker 1: that that is valid. We don't know how long he

28:03 Speaker 1: had the person has been watching. I mean, but it

28:08 Speaker 1: just seems weird that that's the first thing out of

28:13 Speaker 1: his mouth.

28:15 Speaker 4: That's the that's on camera, you know, like the first

28:19 Speaker 4: thing that's on camera. Like we don't know if that's

28:20 Speaker 4: the first thing out of his mouth, just the first

28:22 Speaker 4: thing on camera.

28:23 Speaker 3: The clip could be cut, you know. The thing is

28:25 Speaker 3: that like good point him? I mean Yeah, it's just good.

28:30 Speaker 3: But I think it's kind of looking into it too much.

28:32 Speaker 3: And he says, oh, well, you know they don't shoot

28:35 Speaker 3: enough five gun section, which is very very I mean

28:37 Speaker 3: in a five gun battery. It's true, a battery is

28:39 Speaker 3: you know, four artillery pieces, uh, two per two per platoon.

28:45 Speaker 3: But you know aircraft they always drop in five. Well

28:49 Speaker 3: not I take that back, not always, but typically they

28:52 Speaker 3: drop in five. Uh.

28:54 Speaker 4: And I'll have plenty of video evidence to show that

28:58 Speaker 4: you know that that's the case here.

28:59 Speaker 3: Once we get on farther down the line.

29:01 Speaker 1: So okay, and we're watching here for thirty six, I

29:07 Speaker 1: see no elevation drop, no visible elevation or smoke trails.

29:19 Speaker 1: I just want to ask, is that normal?

29:23 Speaker 2: I think it could be normal because this is only

29:26 Speaker 2: thirty seconds, and you're not going to see a lot

29:28 Speaker 2: of movement in thirty seconds, even if it were flares.

29:31 Speaker 2: And we don't have a point of reference, so we

29:33 Speaker 2: can't see the mountain range, so we can't really even

29:36 Speaker 2: measure if it was falling or not.

29:39 Speaker 4: And those are infrared flares, those are lou nineteen flares.

29:43 Speaker 4: And I have the documents to prove this, and I

29:45 Speaker 4: have the whole gestation that shows comparison side by side,

29:49 Speaker 4: like shooting side by side in the same video of

29:52 Speaker 4: infrared and normal. So those are IR flares and IR flares.

29:56 Speaker 4: They have a much smaller visible side.

29:59 Speaker 2: Yeah, they're invisible to the naked eye. That would wait,

30:03 Speaker 2: they're not they're not. I IR flares.

30:06 Speaker 3: Not be fair.

30:07 Speaker 1: I AR flares are are I are flares? Uh naked

30:12 Speaker 1: to the invisible to the naked eye.

30:16 Speaker 4: Yes, okay, well let's just go on and squash this

30:20 Speaker 4: right now. The very last video that I posted, number

30:24 Speaker 4: thirty one, it's a one minute, zero eight second going

30:27 Speaker 4: to play that please if you can, and then we

30:29 Speaker 4: can come back to this, because that way we can

30:31 Speaker 4: go on and get this out of the way. This is

30:32 Speaker 4: IR verse.

30:34 Speaker 3: This is now. These are hand flares, Like I think

30:38 Speaker 3: these are hand flares. They may be out of like

30:40 Speaker 3: a some some some type of launcher, but it's definitely

30:44 Speaker 3: fire from the ground. But it's still it's thirty one yeah,

30:46 Speaker 3: and it's actually grider.

30:48 Speaker 2: Do you mind if we just stay focused on the

30:49 Speaker 2: videos and then we can come back, I mean, debate,

30:52 Speaker 2: you may point.

30:53 Speaker 3: We don't want that point to kind of you know,

30:56 Speaker 3: kind of.

30:56 Speaker 2: We're come back. We can come back to it. Grider

30:59 Speaker 2: claims their I are players. I claim that they're not flaes.

31:03 Speaker 1: I want to watch I want to watch the video.

31:07 Speaker 2: Okay, go ahead.

31:09 Speaker 1: Can you see it?

31:12 Speaker 2: No?

31:13 Speaker 1: No, can you see it?

31:16 Speaker 3: Yes?

31:17 Speaker 2: Yes, So give us some context, cure Wrider. What what

31:21 Speaker 2: are we looking at the content?

31:22 Speaker 1: I mean it's this is this is the video's these

31:25 Speaker 1: are I are flares.

31:27 Speaker 3: I are flares at the top, and then those at

31:30 Speaker 3: the top and then okay, okay, somebody fire them.

31:35 Speaker 4: Hold on, you'll see like another round of firing here

31:38 Speaker 4: in like a second.

31:39 Speaker 3: Right now, you'll see they're firing them, I think with

31:42 Speaker 3: their hand. They may be fire fireworks.

31:45 Speaker 2: No fireworks.

31:47 Speaker 3: Those are not fireworks. Now you're going to make me

31:49 Speaker 3: prove that flares are these are not those are not?

31:53 Speaker 1: Those aren't fireworks? Arthur, Yeah, I mean, Arthur, those are

31:56 Speaker 1: those are.

31:57 Speaker 3: Are at the top, and then actually.

32:00 Speaker 1: I think that's where they got if I'm not mistaken.

32:05 Speaker 1: If you guys look closely, I'm pretty sure the picture

32:10 Speaker 1: earlier is you could see the fucking men right there.

32:15 Speaker 1: This is from the picture I showed earlier.

32:18 Speaker 2: Is the description a description on that video.

32:22 Speaker 3: Look look, look, look, look.

32:25 Speaker 1: During the exact same spot we have we have by

32:29 Speaker 1: the way, by the way, we have over seven hundred

32:32 Speaker 1: and fifty people here really, so yeah, we were like

32:39 Speaker 1: shadow Band on YouTube, but we have a lot of people.

32:45 Speaker 3: So I don't know.

32:45 Speaker 1: Yeah, but but I okay, I want to go back

32:49 Speaker 1: to this video.

32:50 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, those are fireworks. I don't Those are civilian fireworks.

33:00 Speaker 2: Those aren't military anything.

33:02 Speaker 3: Arthur, you're digging your own grave.

33:03 Speaker 2: Man right now. Well, what's the description of the event?

33:06 Speaker 2: Is there a description on this video?

33:09 Speaker 1: You can see and and and one of my main

33:12 Speaker 1: issues with the twenty nine pops case was that you

33:16 Speaker 1: could see two different types of lights. Now, the orange

33:24 Speaker 1: we see here, but we also see dimmer white lights

33:31 Speaker 1: that are in formation on the side. Now I'm not

33:35 Speaker 1: crediting Grider, but I am saying that there's two distinct

33:42 Speaker 1: sets of flares there in separate formations, and so it

33:50 Speaker 1: is possible and those those are very much different. Those

33:55 Speaker 1: those look very different.

33:57 Speaker 2: There. Yeah, there are different types of fireworks.

34:00 Speaker 3: Because warm up to Arthur Man, I got like.

34:03 Speaker 2: They make fireworks. If you didn't know that they make

34:08 Speaker 2: and what's the description of this video? Is there a description.

34:14 Speaker 1: Uh no, not they're shooting another Look, look they're shooting

34:19 Speaker 1: them in formation.

34:20 Speaker 2: Yeah.

34:21 Speaker 3: Yeah, those would be the worst fireworks ever.

34:23 Speaker 1: Man, Yeah they're not. It's like those are fireworks you're.

34:30 Speaker 3: Trying to celebrate, like you know, I don't know, I

34:32 Speaker 3: don't know. I can't even make a joke.

34:33 Speaker 1: Right now, but I will say, grinder, there's so much

34:38 Speaker 1: smoke in this picture, in this video that.

34:44 Speaker 3: Like, just like pasition to the lighting is the biggest thing.

34:49 Speaker 1: That when I come back to this, I'm like.

34:54 Speaker 3: Ah yeah, because so I would seem.

35:02 Speaker 4: Like, go back and look at the I R flares,

35:04 Speaker 4: you know, the ones in the back, they weren't.

35:06 Speaker 2: There, weren't weren't flares.

35:10 Speaker 1: Smoke from them, I'll bet you well. From this particular

35:16 Speaker 1: from this particular angle, we can see even from both

35:20 Speaker 1: both sets of flares I can see coming from them.

35:23 Speaker 1: But I can see that they're falling very quick. Not

35:26 Speaker 1: not quick. I would definitely say the orange colored flares

35:31 Speaker 1: fall very much faster. But these over here, I don't

35:36 Speaker 1: know if you guys can see my cursor, but these flares,

35:39 Speaker 1: they do maintain an altitude for a much longer a

35:44 Speaker 1: set of time. But I still see smoke trails coming

35:47 Speaker 1: from them. Now, I'm not just cutting in so again,

35:53 Speaker 1: situational could be different. I'm open to that. All I'm

35:57 Speaker 1: saying is there is something, there is something different about

36:07 Speaker 1: what we're seeing here and what we're seeing there. Right

36:12 Speaker 1: the however they drop them, if they are flares, they

36:16 Speaker 1: dropped them in some other way.

36:19 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, And Mick West will say that the reason

36:22 Speaker 2: you can't see the smoke trails is because these quote

36:26 Speaker 2: unquote IR flares were launched six miles away from Camp Wilson,

36:31 Speaker 2: in the middle of a range between Camp Wilson and

36:34 Speaker 2: it's something called the training village. So do you kind

36:37 Speaker 2: of agree with that that narrative.

36:41 Speaker 3: No, I do not, Like I know nothing about what

36:43 Speaker 3: Mick West said.

36:45 Speaker 2: How far away do you think these I R flares,

36:48 Speaker 2: what you're calling IR flares were launched.

36:52 Speaker 3: No idea. I mean I would assume. I mean, basically,

36:55 Speaker 3: it's a question of altitude. I think with the I

36:58 Speaker 3: R flares, the IR flares, I think we're shot at

37:00 Speaker 3: a pretty high altitude or were dropped by the what

37:03 Speaker 3: I would prove to be MB twenty.

37:05 Speaker 4: Two ospray I think is the maybe AB two. It's

37:10 Speaker 4: basically the ospray. Yeah, like I have the documents and yeah,

37:15 Speaker 4: as far as all.

37:15 Speaker 2: Right, okay, so you don't you don't have a claim.

37:18 Speaker 2: You don't have a claim about the distance that these are.

37:21 Speaker 2: You're just leaving that open.

37:23 Speaker 3: No, I do not.

37:23 Speaker 4: But they have to be close enough to be to

37:26 Speaker 4: be photographed by the FOYA photographer, you know, the Marine

37:30 Speaker 4: Corps photographer who took the photos.

37:32 Speaker 2: That's seventeen miles yeah, at the training but the training

37:38 Speaker 2: village that the FOYA photos were taken at, whereas seventeen

37:41 Speaker 2: miles away from Camp Wilson.

37:44 Speaker 3: Yeah, that sounds good.

37:46 Speaker 2: Sure, So somewhere in the mid midpoint between Camp Wilson

37:50 Speaker 2: and the training village is where I guess most of

37:53 Speaker 2: the skeptics are saying these five quote unquote IR flares

37:59 Speaker 2: were dropped.

38:00 Speaker 3: You're debating me, man, me, I don't know what skeptics

38:03 Speaker 3: are saying.

38:04 Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's yeah, yeah, so so let's keep it

38:09 Speaker 1: to let's try to keep Mick West out of it

38:12 Speaker 1: as much as we can, just because we don't want

38:15 Speaker 1: to bring in uh, potential information that we don't all have.

38:22 Speaker 1: Because I don't have all Mick West's case file on

38:26 Speaker 1: this as well. All right, and so let's try to

38:30 Speaker 1: keep it to what the what the facts that we

38:33 Speaker 1: have are. Now, I'm going to restart this video in

38:37 Speaker 1: particular because I did mute it, so I want to

38:41 Speaker 1: uh unmute it and start it from the beginning. This

38:44 Speaker 1: is again.

38:48 Speaker 2: Wait, yeah, you're sharing it, but the audio is off.

38:59 Speaker 1: I get a re add it. Unfortunately, when you h

39:15 Speaker 1: can you hear it?

39:18 Speaker 2: I cannot. I can't see it either. Now you can't.

39:26 Speaker 3: It's moving.

39:28 Speaker 2: Actually, start from the beginning.

39:33 Speaker 3: Those are not allom.

39:34 Speaker 2: Round because the limb rounds fall.

39:36 Speaker 1: So hard to keep it m m.

39:39 Speaker 3: And nobody shoots in a five gun section.

39:46 Speaker 1: I want to bring one more thing up. So he said,

39:49 Speaker 1: no one shoots in a five gun A five guns section,

39:56 Speaker 1: five gun section. You grinder brought that up earlier. So

40:02 Speaker 1: it kind of goes to show you that these guys

40:04 Speaker 1: did either didn't know what was going on that night,

40:08 Speaker 1: or again, maybe they're accomplice is to uh like some

40:17 Speaker 1: sort of I don't want to say lie, but uh

40:22 Speaker 1: uh leaning home.

40:24 Speaker 3: To the home maybe uh maybe, I mean you'd be surprised,

40:28 Speaker 3: how you know, how little people pay attention. You know

40:31 Speaker 3: what I'm saying, I mean, right.

40:33 Speaker 1: Right, but they but so he but this this gentleman

40:38 Speaker 1: knows that they're they weren't shot, right, first of all,

40:43 Speaker 1: And you're saying that they weren't shot either. You're saying

40:46 Speaker 1: if these are flares, and they are flares, you're saying

40:50 Speaker 1: that they were dropped from an osprey.

40:53 Speaker 3: They were one dropped from an osprey.

40:55 Speaker 1: Not shot.

40:57 Speaker 3: I mean they were shot out of an osprey, but you.

41:00 Speaker 1: Know, but not shot from the ground, is what I'm saying.

41:04 Speaker 3: Not the five. No, definitely not the five that we see. Absolutely, okay,

41:09 Speaker 3: just thank you.

41:10 Speaker 1: For clearing that up.

41:11 Speaker 7: No, you can see like an outline or something.

41:15 Speaker 1: Again, I want to pause. I hate doing this. Can

41:20 Speaker 1: you both comment on that we know or a fact

41:25 Speaker 1: with our eyes? And like I did it last night,

41:29 Speaker 1: there was a full moon last night. I pointed my

41:32 Speaker 1: camera to the full moon. Even though I have an

41:35 Speaker 1: iPhone fifteen brand new, newest model. The moon shows up

41:41 Speaker 1: like a glowing ball of light. You can't get any definition.

41:46 Speaker 1: Saying they see an outline? Can you accommodate that, grider,

41:55 Speaker 1: what would make for an out What would accommodate for

41:58 Speaker 1: the outline that they're seeing? Because it sounds like they're

42:01 Speaker 1: saying they're seeing an outline of a craft.

42:04 Speaker 3: Yes, it will play I mean smoke like distance, you know.

42:08 Speaker 2: Okay, okay, And and I would say that they're telling

42:12 Speaker 2: the truth and they know what they're seeing, and that

42:14 Speaker 2: you know this highly credible military witness says he saw

42:17 Speaker 2: an outline. I believe he saw an outline.

42:24 Speaker 3: It's moving.

42:27 Speaker 1: Again. Take me to your leader. It's kind of on

42:36 Speaker 1: the nose.

42:44 Speaker 2: We got UFOs outside.

42:48 Speaker 7: Everyone's out here.

42:51 Speaker 1: Everybody's out here, all right, Grider, and are there that video?

42:59 Speaker 1: I've to be the testimony in it. Plus how for

43:05 Speaker 1: thirty six seconds we I mean we watched your video, Grinder,

43:09 Speaker 1: those in this video. This craft, I'm gonna I'm gonna

43:18 Speaker 1: kind of just like you know, roll it across. It

43:23 Speaker 1: doesn't seem like they're falling. It seems like they're actually

43:26 Speaker 1: moving unless the camera orientation is moving. It looks like

43:31 Speaker 1: moving up instead of down. That now, could that be wind?

43:38 Speaker 2: Yeah?

43:38 Speaker 4: I mean, can you think about it, like both of you,

43:42 Speaker 4: they're dropped over like the top of a mountain, so

43:45 Speaker 4: you have the updraft, you know how you like you

43:47 Speaker 4: get turbulence when you like fly over, you know, like

43:50 Speaker 4: a mountain range. You get that updraft, that turbulence you

43:54 Speaker 4: know of air. It's the same thing. And also, I

43:56 Speaker 4: mean their parachute flares, they function like a hot air balloon.

43:59 Speaker 4: It's it's hot air going up into a parachute. It

44:02 Speaker 4: provides a lift would be mine.

44:04 Speaker 3: They answer.

44:06 Speaker 2: Parachute flaares one hundred percent go down all the time.

44:10 Speaker 2: They'd never go up. They're not designed to go up.

44:12 Speaker 2: They're not designed to hover. They're designed to go down.

44:19 Speaker 1: But we do know that sometimes the phosporus or whatever

44:25 Speaker 1: is burning in the parachute, it can act like a

44:30 Speaker 1: hot air balloon, right, which would allow it to maintain

44:34 Speaker 1: at least.

44:35 Speaker 2: That's kind of like a Chinese a Chinese lantern type idea.

44:39 Speaker 2: That's the idea of what you're kind of describing. These

44:42 Speaker 2: just don't have the same sort of set up as

44:44 Speaker 2: a Chinese lantern. The distance from the parachute to the

44:48 Speaker 2: flair that's pretty far, so it's not collecting hot air

44:54 Speaker 2: in the same way as the Chinese lantern does, so

44:58 Speaker 2: they're completely different. You might be getting some draft from

45:00 Speaker 2: the heat from the flare, but it's not gonna be

45:03 Speaker 2: enough to counteract the weight of the actual flare itself.

45:09 Speaker 1: Gorod or anything to comment. No, nope, all right, so

45:14 Speaker 1: let's move on. Then, all right the.

45:21 Speaker 2: Video three video damna video three?

45:36 Speaker 7: What is the sheet?

45:42 Speaker 1: All right? So you do get a frame of reference.

45:49 Speaker 2: Now it's not showing up in my camera. So that's interesting.

45:55 Speaker 2: At the very end, he says, now it's not showing

45:58 Speaker 2: up in my camera, and someone right next to him said, yeah,

46:02 Speaker 2: the same. So we got two people recording at the

46:05 Speaker 2: same time.

46:07 Speaker 1: Mm hmm, not being visible to the camera. Could that be?

46:18 Speaker 1: Could it be that the ir is is is playing

46:25 Speaker 1: tricks on the camera, ir Flair if it were to

46:29 Speaker 1: be a flare rider, I.

46:32 Speaker 4: Mean, I would think that if it's like, if it's

46:36 Speaker 4: a cell phone camera, cell phone cameras can see ir

46:39 Speaker 4: you know, that's like olkay. So back in the day,

46:43 Speaker 4: a big thing that I was trying to do is

46:44 Speaker 4: break the Cannonball Run, which is like going from the

46:47 Speaker 4: East coast to the West coast non stop as fast

46:50 Speaker 4: as possible, you know, and the car just NonStop, you know,

46:54 Speaker 4: going from the Red Ball Garage and downtown uh in

46:59 Speaker 4: a downtown uh downtown New York City to the port

47:04 Speaker 4: A Fino end on the West Coast and uh so,

47:07 Speaker 4: I like had built my car up with a bunch

47:09 Speaker 4: of anti speed enforcement countermeasures, and I had jammers, so

47:13 Speaker 4: they would jam laser, they would jam light R And

47:16 Speaker 4: what they did is they used infra red. They matched

47:18 Speaker 4: the pulse the IR pulse of like the cops gun,

47:22 Speaker 4: so that it kind of just like diffused it. And

47:26 Speaker 4: the way that I would test my jammers to see

47:28 Speaker 4: if they were working is I would pull out my

47:31 Speaker 4: my cell phone and I would just look with my

47:33 Speaker 4: camera and then I would use like a testerer to

47:36 Speaker 4: basically activate the jammers, and.

47:38 Speaker 3: I would be able to see the pulses of light.

47:40 Speaker 4: It's the same thing like you can see IR light,

47:43 Speaker 4: you know, just barely, but you can still see it

47:45 Speaker 4: with a cell phone camera. I'm not too sure about

47:48 Speaker 4: like normal cameras if you're able to see if they

47:51 Speaker 4: have IR filters, I doubt it, but I could be wrong.

47:55 Speaker 2: So but the I, the I can't see IR.

47:58 Speaker 3: The I can't snod, So that's not true. The eye

48:01 Speaker 3: can if it's in the eighth and fifty M. I

48:06 Speaker 3: don't know what NM stands for, it's like the measurement nanometer.

48:10 Speaker 4: Yeah, but if you go down to like seven fifty.

48:13 Speaker 4: Then it's completely invisible. I don't know what nanometer these are,

48:18 Speaker 4: you know, the the I R flares.

48:20 Speaker 1: Are though, So we and where I paused it. Uh, ironically,

48:28 Speaker 1: it kind of comes back into frame and we have

48:31 Speaker 1: a faint light but we're missing one, but we know

48:36 Speaker 1: where it would be be right about here. Oh I

48:41 Speaker 1: find that to be interesting. Let's play it through the

48:43 Speaker 1: rest of the video and there it comes.

48:50 Speaker 3: What is this?

48:51 Speaker 1: Shepa So, yeah, it gives us a frame of reference.

49:04 Speaker 2: Now it's not showing up in my camera.

49:08 Speaker 1: Okay, so we.

49:09 Speaker 2: Are commented on this, so let's go to the next Yeah, no, no.

49:12 Speaker 1: I don't I just wanted to see it again. This

49:20 Speaker 1: is the video four? Correct?

49:29 Speaker 2: If it says video four, then yeah, I think we

49:31 Speaker 2: were on video three, but now we're gonna be on four.

49:35 Speaker 1: Are you guys?

49:36 Speaker 2: Not with me?

49:37 Speaker 3: Oh?

49:38 Speaker 2: I'm with you, but I can't see it.

49:41 Speaker 1: That's the hardest part, guys, I'm so sorry, is trying

49:44 Speaker 1: to balance like getting these videos up and down.

49:49 Speaker 3: You're doing great, man, You're absolutely doing great time.

49:54 Speaker 1: Thank you. All right, So this is so we need

50:00 Speaker 1: to go back to what video for?

50:02 Speaker 3: All right?

50:03 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, this one's interesting. Can you you guys can

50:07 Speaker 1: see it right?

50:08 Speaker 2: Yep?

50:13 Speaker 7: I told you research notis for real?

50:19 Speaker 1: Got some weird comments, there's more lights around it.

50:25 Speaker 5: Okay, that's it.

50:38 Speaker 1: All right? Okay, I want to throw it to I

50:46 Speaker 1: want to throw it to Arthur. Can you tell me

50:50 Speaker 1: what you think is significant about this clip?

50:54 Speaker 2: Well, Uh, the most important thing, which is in pretty

50:57 Speaker 2: much every clip, is that they're all baffled by what

51:00 Speaker 2: they're seeing. They're not able to identify what they're seeing. So,

51:05 Speaker 2: whether you want to argue this was Flar's or not,

51:08 Speaker 2: it's indisputable that the witnesses at the time of the event,

51:13 Speaker 2: while they're witnessing in real time, could not identify what

51:16 Speaker 2: they were seeing, even though they're trained military witnesses.

51:22 Speaker 1: Okay, and do you think it's odd that one of

51:26 Speaker 1: the military personnel talks about research into aliens? Do you

51:33 Speaker 1: think there could be a bias here? And maybe some

51:40 Speaker 1: degree of what Grider is saying makes sense when he

51:45 Speaker 1: says that a hoax could be bringing Maybe maybe a

51:51 Speaker 1: hoax wasn't planned, but they end up seeing weird lights

51:58 Speaker 1: in the sky right that they didn't understand or know

52:01 Speaker 1: about that it was going to happen. Right, they are

52:05 Speaker 1: actually just flares. But the the guy like me who's

52:11 Speaker 1: clearly in that that platoon or battalion or whatever, who

52:16 Speaker 1: does want to believe.

52:22 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, I think confirmation bias is something everyone has.

52:27 Speaker 2: I could definitely, I can definitely see that maybe one

52:30 Speaker 2: person who might be a respective person in the group

52:34 Speaker 2: might say that's a UFO. There's no way that's anything

52:37 Speaker 2: but a UFO. You could see how there could be

52:39 Speaker 2: some group group thing happening within within the you know,

52:43 Speaker 2: that little cluster there. But my pushback to that, which

52:46 Speaker 2: is important is that we don't just have one location.

52:50 Speaker 2: We have multiple locations hundreds of feet away from each

52:54 Speaker 2: other where you can hear the people commenting on the event,

52:58 Speaker 2: and uh, it would have to be some sort of

53:02 Speaker 2: mass hallucination at that point, because you can't you couldn't

53:07 Speaker 2: attribute that to like one individual starting up, you know,

53:11 Speaker 2: a thought within everyone else, because it's happening in two

53:15 Speaker 2: different locations far away from each other, so they're they're

53:19 Speaker 2: separated from one another, meaning that it's not just one

53:23 Speaker 2: person that's causing this.

53:25 Speaker 1: Okay, And and again you know I I I think

53:32 Speaker 1: that that's what's amazing about the military is is people

53:35 Speaker 1: from all different backgrounds. And I don't think just because

53:39 Speaker 1: you look into aliens and and you're into the topic

53:42 Speaker 1: means that you know nothing that you say about a

53:47 Speaker 1: sighting is credible. So Grider, this clip does it stand

53:53 Speaker 1: out at all to you?

53:59 Speaker 3: And besides the sparking, right, if I'm not mistaken, that's

54:04 Speaker 3: the one that it sparks right, you know because I

54:07 Speaker 3: was watching it. But I can see, you know, like yeah, yeah,

54:11 Speaker 3: like my eyes are bad and you know, I mean

54:13 Speaker 3: I can't really tell, but those flashes I found out

54:16 Speaker 3: what those are. Those are chaff. That's what that is.

54:20 Speaker 3: It's chaff. And I've got lights.

54:24 Speaker 2: Where the running lights for the craft launching the shaft.

54:29 Speaker 3: You don't typically run with your lights on when you're

54:32 Speaker 3: training for combat.

54:33 Speaker 2: Yes, you absolutely do. No, you get you required a.

54:39 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean run lights just not true. It's not true.

54:44 Speaker 4: When you're on a military base doing you know, doing

54:47 Speaker 4: an air training exercise, preparing for combat, you do not.

54:50 Speaker 4: You train for combat like you're in combat. You don't

54:54 Speaker 4: have your running lights on, you have them off. You

54:56 Speaker 4: absolutely run dark.

54:58 Speaker 3: Now, if they were to leave the restricted airs space

55:00 Speaker 3: and enter the civilian you know, air highways.

55:04 Speaker 4: I forgot what they call them. Uh then yeah, they

55:07 Speaker 4: absolutely would. They would turn on their ads B and

55:09 Speaker 4: they would turn on the running lights. Yeah, but absolutely.

55:13 Speaker 2: Definitely this is something we could look up.

55:15 Speaker 3: We could look I was gonna say, I can tell

55:18 Speaker 3: you because I've like I mean, because I've trained for combat,

55:22 Speaker 3: and that's you don't you were never running dark. I've

55:27 Speaker 3: been inside of an aircraft at night training like we've

55:30 Speaker 3: done sling loads, we've done airsoults. Not.

55:34 Speaker 2: We can come back to this an objective This is

55:37 Speaker 2: an objective fact that we could find this work.

55:40 Speaker 3: So it's not on the other This isn't an opinion.

55:44 Speaker 3: It's just not an opinion. You train like you fight.

55:47 Speaker 3: And those pilots are wearing nods, they're they're wearing a

55:52 Speaker 3: night vision goggles and they have well okay.

55:56 Speaker 2: So my my claim is that aircraft on twenty nine

56:00 Speaker 2: Palms would have running lights operational one hundred percent of

56:04 Speaker 2: the time, and the claim from writer is that sometimes

56:12 Speaker 2: they do not have their running lights.

56:13 Speaker 3: On all the time. Hey, there's a Foyer photo from

56:19 Speaker 3: from John Greenwald from this Foyer release where it shows

56:22 Speaker 3: an ospray flying with its lights off over the camera actually,

56:27 Speaker 3: I'll send it to you right.

56:28 Speaker 2: Now for photos. So if blinking running lights might not

56:34 Speaker 2: be captured in a photo.

56:37 Speaker 1: So I looked up. So I did look it up.

56:45 Speaker 1: So military aircraft actually aren't bound by FAA rules. They

56:51 Speaker 1: have their own set of rules to follow. Having said that,

56:54 Speaker 1: though their rules are basically followed fa rules with a

56:58 Speaker 1: few exceptions. Yes, one of those exceptions is for lights.

57:04 Speaker 1: Military aircraft can turn off their lights after dark, but

57:09 Speaker 1: only if they're actually flying a mission in an active

57:14 Speaker 1: war zone or if they're doing training in an area

57:18 Speaker 1: that's been cleared of other aircraft and that's happening to

57:24 Speaker 1: FAAR ninety one dot two.

57:27 Speaker 2: Okay, well I'm wrong, Thanks for the fact check. So

57:32 Speaker 2: you're right, Wright, it could have been an aircraft with

57:35 Speaker 2: no running lights launching checks.

57:37 Speaker 1: Anti collision lights need not be lit when the pilot

57:42 Speaker 1: in command determines that because operating conditions would being the

57:48 Speaker 1: interest of safety to turn the lights off. Those are

57:52 Speaker 1: other instances.

57:53 Speaker 3: Hey, So like my like A big part of my case,

57:57 Speaker 3: of my counterpoints is that there was a major air

58:00 Speaker 3: exercise going on at this exact same time. There was

58:04 Speaker 3: multiple air assets. I'm talking about helicopters, they were doing

58:08 Speaker 3: what's called a gosh, what's it called. I don't have

58:11 Speaker 3: the paper pulled up, but like they were doing a

58:13 Speaker 3: major air refueling. They were doing counter air, like counter

58:18 Speaker 3: air with like actual contractors flying like a HIND, which

58:23 Speaker 3: is a you know, which is a big chopper that

58:26 Speaker 3: you know is it's like the attack helicopter for the Russians,

58:29 Speaker 3: it's called the HIND, the twenty eight. They were flying

58:32 Speaker 3: an I twenty eight during this exercise as like an

58:35 Speaker 3: opposing force, as an OP four. They were also flying

58:38 Speaker 3: a couple of I think it was four different fighter jets,

58:41 Speaker 3: the F one fighter jet as like an opposing force.

58:44 Speaker 3: There was dozens of air assets that were flying helicopters,

58:49 Speaker 3: planes and you know jets that were flying within this

58:53 Speaker 3: airspace in this exact same hour time period, like right at.

58:58 Speaker 1: This I would need to see that, all right, So

59:02 Speaker 1: I guess we'll get it, and.

59:03 Speaker 2: I would not argue with the fact that there was

59:07 Speaker 2: training occurring at a military training base that's happening continuously

59:12 Speaker 2: all the time.

59:16 Speaker 1: Okay, this is location B Camp Wilson, So okay, okay,

59:24 Speaker 1: So the next video about to see is when we

59:28 Speaker 1: start seeing other flares in the same sky as the lights, Like,

59:43 Speaker 1: let's just call lights, say either way, uh, because that'd

59:47 Speaker 1: be siding with one of you. So I'm gonna pull

59:51 Speaker 1: this up. Let's add it in so you can see

59:55 Speaker 1: that orange light right away, right from right from there.

1:00:00 Speaker 7: Yeah, please tell me this at the end of the world.

1:00:09 Speaker 1: I just want to point out that that's a very

1:00:11 Speaker 1: odd statement for someone to say.

1:00:17 Speaker 3: That's clearly being funny.

1:00:20 Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, and here are a lot of people

1:00:28 Speaker 2: not why don't you pose it?

1:00:32 Speaker 1: Oh one second, I'll go back. I'll go back.

1:00:40 Speaker 2: Because a lot of people might not be able to

1:00:41 Speaker 2: see the five lights you got kind of pointed out

1:00:44 Speaker 2: to them. Yes, you got the two flares, go ahead, Yeah.

1:00:50 Speaker 1: So we have all right, so we have the two

1:00:52 Speaker 1: very very distinct flares. Now these be recognized, right.

1:01:02 Speaker 3: They they fired.

1:01:05 Speaker 4: Yeah, those are fired by artillery. Like those are actual

1:01:08 Speaker 4: like artillery or maybe even a mortar. They had artillery,

1:01:12 Speaker 4: and they had a couple of mortars that were you know,

1:01:15 Speaker 4: set up at this time period for this field training exercise.

1:01:19 Speaker 1: Okay, and these are the flares that you would have

1:01:22 Speaker 1: more training with, right, It's the.

1:01:28 Speaker 4: Same ones that we you know that we fire in combat.

1:01:30 Speaker 4: But yeah, those are what those are what indirect fire

1:01:33 Speaker 4: illumination rounds look like. Uh, mostly fired from like an

1:01:37 Speaker 4: eighty millimeter one twenty milimeter mortar are maybe even like

1:01:40 Speaker 4: a one twenty one oh five or one twenty millimeter howitzer.

1:01:44 Speaker 3: I don't know if they have one twenties and the

1:01:47 Speaker 3: marine corps, but probably the one of five.

1:01:50 Speaker 1: Okay, but right below it about maybe six inches you

1:01:57 Speaker 1: see the one two through for five lights And they're

1:02:03 Speaker 1: still here now they have significantly significantly either backed up

1:02:12 Speaker 1: or the orientation is just so dramatically different that we

1:02:18 Speaker 1: are that that the camera position is altering our perspective

1:02:23 Speaker 1: to a degree where we see where we think that

1:02:26 Speaker 1: it's further away. But still these things, uh grinder, I

1:02:33 Speaker 1: gotta ask players now, granted, if they were dropped from

1:02:39 Speaker 1: an osprey or not, why would they still all be

1:02:43 Speaker 1: in the same now that they could be falling together

1:02:46 Speaker 1: right at the same rate of speed. But b why

1:02:50 Speaker 1: why are they still in the same perfect formation and

1:02:54 Speaker 1: not not like we saw in the other videos when

1:02:56 Speaker 1: they start trailing out.

1:02:59 Speaker 3: They're not.

1:03:00 Speaker 4: If you go to if you want to quick go

1:03:03 Speaker 4: to picture number sixteen in the media tab, you can

1:03:08 Speaker 4: see the exact the exact photo of the flares, and

1:03:11 Speaker 4: you can see this is from the Foya the Yeah,

1:03:14 Speaker 4: this is from the Foyer release. And you see I've

1:03:17 Speaker 4: got a collage a pretty high rates.

1:03:20 Speaker 2: And I just want to preface I want to push

1:03:24 Speaker 2: back on on these Foya photos. I have a whole

1:03:29 Speaker 2: these are the photos here, These are Foya photos. I

1:03:32 Speaker 2: have a whole trunch of research that I hope we

1:03:34 Speaker 2: can get to, which I am claiming proof.

1:03:37 Speaker 1: I'll stay here. Oh goddamn night. Hey, all right, but

1:03:44 Speaker 1: let's go. Let's let's go.

1:03:46 Speaker 2: These are the Foyer photos taken from the training village

1:03:50 Speaker 2: seventeen miles away from Camp Wilson, allegedly at the same time.

1:03:58 Speaker 3: But I can argue this conspiracy angle.

1:04:00 Speaker 2: This is like the well, well, you can argue the

1:04:03 Speaker 2: points that I'll make. I'll make I'll make my specific

1:04:06 Speaker 2: points why I think hold on, hold on, and then

1:04:09 Speaker 2: you can retort those hold on?

1:04:12 Speaker 1: Are these I'm sorry, I I think I'm confused.

1:04:17 Speaker 4: The different photos of that night, of that exact night

1:04:24 Speaker 4: fire from the opposite side of that mountain. Uh, these

1:04:27 Speaker 4: were taken by a Marine Corps journalists or like it's

1:04:32 Speaker 4: like the job in the Marine Corps and maybe right

1:04:34 Speaker 4: right right, yeah, yeah, So you see the top three

1:04:37 Speaker 4: are the I R flares.

1:04:40 Speaker 2: And now they're not IR flares. IR flares aren't.

1:04:45 Speaker 3: No, they're not. I've already proven that, Arthur. I mean,

1:04:47 Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know how Okay, yeah, I don't think.

1:04:52 Speaker 3: I mean, I can go on and I have three

1:04:53 Speaker 3: more videos showing IR flares visible, and two of them

1:04:57 Speaker 3: are in a daylight setting.

1:04:58 Speaker 2: So if you want to now, I mean, check your sources.

1:05:03 Speaker 4: Okay, okay, we then let's go on and go to

1:05:04 Speaker 4: the videos right now, tylot, go to video number.

1:05:09 Speaker 3: It's right up. Go to video number fourteen, Video fourteen.

1:05:15 Speaker 3: This is why ATK this is a manufacturer of lou

1:05:19 Speaker 3: nineteen IR flares, and this.

1:05:22 Speaker 2: Is I wanted to seek the description. Let's start by

1:05:24 Speaker 2: looking at out.

1:05:25 Speaker 3: I want to look at the description, absolutely absolutely, and

1:05:31 Speaker 3: I'll find the point of drop while you show the description.

1:05:34 Speaker 2: Maybe so, for more than forty years.

1:05:38 Speaker 1: ATK, as you did, yeah, I will uh. For more

1:05:42 Speaker 1: than forty years, ATK has produced illuminating devices for search

1:05:48 Speaker 1: and rescue, military support, and border patrol. ATK flares are

1:05:54 Speaker 1: instrumental in providing warfighters with technology that gives them the

1:05:59 Speaker 1: cutting edge in the out a field aid search and

1:06:02 Speaker 1: rescue operators as they save lives, as well as many

1:06:05 Speaker 1: other applications produced to illuminate in both the visible and

1:06:12 Speaker 1: infrared spectrum. These innovative products are used by the government

1:06:17 Speaker 1: and commercial entities in more than twenty five countries.

1:06:21 Speaker 4: Ty, this is the wrong video. I'm sorry, man, Like

1:06:25 Speaker 4: I I I mean, I must have linked the wrong video.

1:06:29 Speaker 4: This is the the wrong Like, this isn't the right video.

1:06:32 Speaker 3: So wait, I mean you're probably talking about no I

1:06:42 Speaker 3: think that.

1:06:42 Speaker 4: I like, no, that's like a that's a flair burning

1:06:45 Speaker 4: on the ground that I included just to point out

1:06:47 Speaker 4: the fact that they only dropped these over deserts. If

1:06:51 Speaker 4: you give me a second, Well, if you give me, yeah,

1:06:53 Speaker 4: I'll go back to my YouTube and I'll find the

1:06:55 Speaker 4: specific video and we can go back.

1:06:57 Speaker 2: Uh yeah, well we can come back to this. Let's

1:07:00 Speaker 2: get through these videos. You know, we're gonna we're gonna

1:07:02 Speaker 2: come back to a lot of stuff once we get

1:07:04 Speaker 2: through the videos.

1:07:06 Speaker 1: Right, right, So while you while you're doing that, I'm

1:07:11 Speaker 1: gonna pull the videos back up. Sorry, guys, Okay, location,

1:07:26 Speaker 1: this is this is the one after, right, I.

1:07:32 Speaker 2: Think it's location A, Location B or the last two

1:07:35 Speaker 2: videos and then the response video. Yeah, this is the

1:07:42 Speaker 2: last video.

1:07:43 Speaker 3: Of the Hey, I think they know we're looking at

1:07:52 Speaker 3: them anyway. Is that what? Those are flares? That we

1:08:11 Speaker 3: know those are flares? But what the fuck are those

1:08:13 Speaker 3: bright lights?

1:08:15 Speaker 2: Posets?

1:08:16 Speaker 3: Yeah, we know those are flare.

1:08:20 Speaker 2: So several of them say those are flares. We know

1:08:24 Speaker 2: those are flares, but what the fuck are those bright lights?

1:08:27 Speaker 2: I think it's exact quote.

1:08:30 Speaker 1: And again again where they're staying in that same formation.

1:08:38 Speaker 2: That go back a little bit. This isn't very clear

1:08:40 Speaker 2: right there.

1:08:42 Speaker 3: Go back.

1:08:46 Speaker 4: Here's one thing to point out to you is that

1:08:48 Speaker 4: when you're firing an indirect fire, when you're firing like

1:08:51 Speaker 4: an illumination round, it produces debris when it separates. When

1:08:57 Speaker 4: that round separates and opens up to where it's a

1:09:00 Speaker 4: parachute flair, you know, it's like there's some debris, like

1:09:03 Speaker 4: there's stuff that could get caught inside of an aircraft

1:09:06 Speaker 4: air intake that would bring up that would potentially bring

1:09:09 Speaker 4: an aircraft down, So they would never fire, they would

1:09:14 Speaker 4: never clear like an artillery gun to shoot an illumination

1:09:20 Speaker 4: round up over a potentially you know, manned or unmanned aircraft.

1:09:25 Speaker 3: It just would not happen. It would not happen. It

1:09:27 Speaker 3: would never happen.

1:09:31 Speaker 1: So what you're saying is you can see a light. Yeah,

1:09:36 Speaker 1: so so, and actually in this video one light does

1:09:42 Speaker 1: seem to have dropped exactly.

1:09:44 Speaker 2: And if you compare that to the famous photo the

1:09:49 Speaker 2: the low light iPhone phos that you were showing earlier,

1:09:53 Speaker 2: it's the same same configuration, yes, right here exactly. So

1:10:01 Speaker 2: that's this shape which is interesting. The Yeah, which is

1:10:07 Speaker 2: interesting because we have two videos of roughly the exact

1:10:12 Speaker 2: same time, because the flares are up in the air

1:10:16 Speaker 2: and that only lasted like one minute that they had

1:10:19 Speaker 2: footage of that. So why are we seeing a drastic

1:10:22 Speaker 2: change in the shape if, in other words the ship.

1:10:28 Speaker 2: The only reason this shape could be changing so drastically

1:10:31 Speaker 2: if it was at the same time, is because it's

1:10:33 Speaker 2: the function of perspective, meaning that the two different locations

1:10:37 Speaker 2: on the base or say like three hundred yards away

1:10:40 Speaker 2: from each other, to the left and right, And it's

1:10:42 Speaker 2: that perspective change that's causing the shift in the in

1:10:46 Speaker 2: the shape of the video, not the actual lights changing themselves.

1:10:54 Speaker 3: Hey, So, one thing I want to point out to

1:10:56 Speaker 3: the to the people that are watching, is that I'm

1:10:59 Speaker 3: not a debunker. I'm actually a believer. I'm a skeptic.

1:11:02 Speaker 3: But I've had in basic training, I had my own

1:11:05 Speaker 3: i had a triangle a triangular craft fly about thirty

1:11:10 Speaker 3: five feet over my head. So like, I'm not a debunker.

1:11:13 Speaker 3: You know, this is not I know it may seem

1:11:14 Speaker 3: like I am right now, but I just want to

1:11:17 Speaker 3: I probably should have said that at the beginning.

1:11:19 Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, listen, I've I've had intelligence community

1:11:23 Speaker 1: people come up to me and tell me this is

1:11:25 Speaker 1: a training exercise and that I shouldn't be wasting my time,

1:11:33 Speaker 1: essentially multiple but then others that have said that there's

1:11:40 Speaker 1: something else going on here and that it is something.

1:11:43 Speaker 1: So it seems that there's a clear disconnect between this

1:11:52 Speaker 1: this cave uh and and and the the narrative that

1:11:59 Speaker 1: is that's going around. So I am just I there.

1:12:05 Speaker 1: I do want to get into the military response a

1:12:07 Speaker 1: little bit later and and and that aspect, but I'm

1:12:14 Speaker 1: sorry I did. Someone just walked in, so I kind

1:12:17 Speaker 1: of lost my train of thought there. But my my

1:12:23 Speaker 1: big thing about this is how are these guys, what

1:12:30 Speaker 1: is there any situation Grider, where these people stage at

1:12:34 Speaker 1: Camp Wilson would not be informed of a base wide drill.

1:12:44 Speaker 1: I mean, does that make sense to you?

1:12:47 Speaker 3: Want to get I have the exactly Okay, give me

1:12:52 Speaker 3: a second to pull up, so I have the exact

1:12:55 Speaker 3: number of aircraft that were in the air.

1:12:58 Speaker 2: You're diverting. His question is would the men at Camp

1:13:03 Speaker 2: Wilson be in your opinion, would the soldiers who are

1:13:06 Speaker 2: getting ready to go to bed that night be informed

1:13:10 Speaker 2: of a massive training exercise that night?

1:13:17 Speaker 1: That's the question.

1:13:18 Speaker 3: Yes, if they were not a part of it, probably not.

1:13:21 Speaker 3: Probably not like this, you know, like maybe the officers,

1:13:24 Speaker 3: but like why would they announce if there's other units,

1:13:26 Speaker 3: like they got done with their stuff for the day,

1:13:29 Speaker 3: Like why would they be Hey guys, you know you

1:13:32 Speaker 3: know y'all have been out training all day. You're tired.

1:13:37 Speaker 3: Oh we hey, you know, like let's have a deep

1:13:39 Speaker 3: briefing about what some other units doing. No, Like they

1:13:42 Speaker 3: wouldn't care. They wouldn't care at all.

1:13:45 Speaker 2: So you think if it was separate units, they wouldn't

1:13:47 Speaker 2: be in They wouldn't know a separate units.

1:13:50 Speaker 3: Yeah, well you don't.

1:13:51 Speaker 2: You don't know that it was absolutely separate units, but

1:13:54 Speaker 2: I mean in.

1:13:55 Speaker 3: Your unit would be out there.

1:13:59 Speaker 1: I just I just find it. And fifty. Again, that's

1:14:05 Speaker 1: what liberally we're saying fifty because I think that area

1:14:10 Speaker 1: I've been trying to look into it, but it houses

1:14:13 Speaker 1: I think Arthur and I what was it like, somewhere

1:14:16 Speaker 1: upwards of three hundred.

1:14:19 Speaker 2: I couldn't get you the exact numbers of people, but

1:14:21 Speaker 2: I would say in the hundreds that they witness.

1:14:24 Speaker 1: If it was full.

1:14:26 Speaker 2: Yeah, so.

1:14:29 Speaker 1: I think that, yeah, yeah, so you know, fair enough,

1:14:35 Speaker 1: fair enough. I'm just saying that it seems very, very

1:14:41 Speaker 1: weird that from the people that have come forward and

1:14:48 Speaker 1: from the sounds that you hear in some of the videos,

1:14:51 Speaker 1: like like the chaos that you can hear in the

1:14:53 Speaker 1: back not chaos. It's not like they're freaking out, but

1:14:57 Speaker 1: you can hear a lot of people, like you know,

1:15:00 Speaker 1: yelling and screaming. It just seems that there's a lot

1:15:02 Speaker 1: of people that were informed. And if we're to believe

1:15:08 Speaker 1: that this was a massive training exercise, right, a base

1:15:13 Speaker 1: wide training exercise that involved a convoy of fifty to

1:15:17 Speaker 1: seventy trucks, jets, helicopters, flares, more flares that somehow stay

1:15:25 Speaker 1: in a v for god knows how long. It just

1:15:30 Speaker 1: seems weird to me that the base wouldn't know that

1:15:34 Speaker 1: some sort of memo wouldn't go out saying, by the way,

1:15:38 Speaker 1: just so you know this is going to be happening

1:15:41 Speaker 1: at this hour, at this time, at this place, you know,

1:15:46 Speaker 1: you know, just be.

1:15:51 Speaker 3: For safety reasons for one, safety for what those guys are,

1:15:56 Speaker 3: Like those guys are on Camp Wilson or on at

1:16:01 Speaker 3: that exact same time. All right, So at the exact

1:16:03 Speaker 3: same time, at that exact time, right at right at

1:16:07 Speaker 3: eight o'clock, there was an air okay, what's called an

1:16:12 Speaker 3: eighty g R a d g R, an air delivered

1:16:15 Speaker 3: ground refueling exercise. There was what's called a farp F

1:16:20 Speaker 3: a r P, which is a Ford Arming Refueling point

1:16:23 Speaker 3: exercise which includes ground units going to secure and set

1:16:28 Speaker 3: up a refueling point. Uh. There was a there were

1:16:32 Speaker 3: two different objectives that were being uh you know, uh,

1:16:36 Speaker 3: that were being bounded down upon, that were being taken

1:16:39 Speaker 3: uh in some type of close quarters combat you know,

1:16:43 Speaker 3: training exercise. There was another a d g R, this

1:16:46 Speaker 3: one being a tar T a a R or a

1:16:50 Speaker 3: tilt rotor air to air refueling. So there was air

1:16:53 Speaker 3: to air refueling going on for the tilt rotor, which

1:16:57 Speaker 3: is osprey. Then there was a r h A a ARE,

1:17:00 Speaker 3: which was a helicopter air to air refueling, which is

1:17:04 Speaker 3: I mean, so there were three different types of refuel

1:17:06 Speaker 3: actually four different types of refueling exercises that were going on.

1:17:11 Speaker 3: And on top of that, there was close air, there

1:17:14 Speaker 3: was counter air that was going on, there was defensive

1:17:16 Speaker 3: Op four air that was in. I mean, this is

1:17:18 Speaker 3: like a major training event, guys. I mean, I'm talking

1:17:21 Speaker 3: about dozens of aircraft like in the air. You know there.

1:17:25 Speaker 3: I mean, there's no way that they didn't know. There's

1:17:27 Speaker 3: no way. I mean, there's just no way.

1:17:30 Speaker 2: So you're saying they did know.

1:17:34 Speaker 3: And again, there's no way that they didn't know. All

1:17:36 Speaker 3: these aircraft were in the air. Aircraft are allowed, helicopters.

1:17:39 Speaker 2: Who didn't know, There's no way who didn't know, do you?

1:17:43 Speaker 2: I mean the the Marines, so the witnesses. So you're

1:17:46 Speaker 2: saying the witnesses did know that there was a major

1:17:49 Speaker 2: exercise that night and are lying about it.

1:17:52 Speaker 1: They were don't try to make this way, well, well,

1:17:57 Speaker 1: circling back, I am not I'm not I'm speaking literally gibberish.

1:18:05 Speaker 1: Right now, that sounds like what you were just insinuating.

1:18:12 Speaker 1: I'm strictly Joe Rogan right now, that sounded like what

1:18:18 Speaker 1: you were saying. So I don't know what. Okay, So

1:18:25 Speaker 1: maybe there's just maybe their words just aren't coming out right.

1:18:29 Speaker 3: They were a part of the major training exercise like

1:18:31 Speaker 3: those like but you just told us. I'm saying that,

1:18:37 Speaker 3: like the Grand exercise, like that's what they're doing their training,

1:18:41 Speaker 3: like they're on that based training. They were in their downtime.

1:18:44 Speaker 3: They may not have been a part of like the

1:18:45 Speaker 3: air exercise, but they were absolutely a part of the

1:18:47 Speaker 3: overall training environment, like.

1:18:49 Speaker 2: You're training every single day writer, that's what they're there

1:18:54 Speaker 2: to do.

1:18:54 Speaker 3: They're training exactly.

1:18:56 Speaker 1: Yeah, but that would also go against the notion. Hmm, okay,

1:19:01 Speaker 1: all right, all right, all right, there's that one more. Uh,

1:19:05 Speaker 1: there's a couple of photos I believe right now, I

1:19:11 Speaker 1: would like to show those photos for a specific Pleason video.

1:19:21 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that covers all the videos of the event.

1:19:23 Speaker 2: There's some photos of the event as well, some low

1:19:26 Speaker 2: light photos. That's the response the response videos.

1:19:30 Speaker 1: So let's actually.

1:19:33 Speaker 7: So many helicopters.

1:19:35 Speaker 3: They're chasing some they're.

1:19:40 Speaker 7: They're going fast as hell too. They're in like a formation,

1:19:45 Speaker 7: so many helicopters.

1:19:47 Speaker 1: Twice they're.

1:19:52 Speaker 7: They're going fast as hell too. They're in like a formation.

1:19:58 Speaker 1: All right, I just wanted BEFO, you guys speak. I

1:20:01 Speaker 1: want to I want to note that what we hear

1:20:04 Speaker 1: is I don't want to get beamed up, right, So

1:20:09 Speaker 1: again some sort of reference to UFO. But we also

1:20:15 Speaker 1: hear one person speaking about a massive response. However, we

1:20:24 Speaker 1: don't see it. We don't see it specifically. We can

1:20:29 Speaker 1: hear it a little bit, but we don't know exactly

1:20:35 Speaker 1: what we're what we're seeing. There's some blinking lights and

1:20:40 Speaker 1: that that that right there? Does anyone know if that

1:20:43 Speaker 1: is right there in the lights?

1:20:46 Speaker 2: And no, But all you can see is some blinking lights,

1:20:50 Speaker 2: which is running lights for some sort of aircraft, probably helicopters.

1:20:55 Speaker 2: And so there's another example of the aircraft actually using

1:20:59 Speaker 2: their running lights night.

1:21:00 Speaker 3: So yeah, well, I mean we have a picture of

1:21:03 Speaker 3: one not using its lights or if it's in that

1:21:05 Speaker 3: fraction of a second, you.

1:21:06 Speaker 1: Know where the all right, and again we've established that

1:21:10 Speaker 1: they make that choice.

1:21:12 Speaker 3: Yes, it is possible if they're doing something as high

1:21:17 Speaker 3: risk as refueling, doing air to air helicopter at helicopter refueling,

1:21:22 Speaker 3: which is one of the most dangerous things that you

1:21:25 Speaker 3: can do in the military by far, you know, then

1:21:29 Speaker 3: they probably would have their running lights on.

1:21:31 Speaker 4: But if you want to go to twenty one and

1:21:33 Speaker 4: twenty two, you can go to either one. I have

1:21:36 Speaker 4: a like, I have two different collages of all the

1:21:39 Speaker 4: different aircraft that were in the area, and I'll as

1:21:43 Speaker 4: you go over them, I'll give you the number of

1:21:44 Speaker 4: them that were in the air at this exact moment.

1:21:47 Speaker 2: Well, we can get into the weeds there soon. But

1:21:51 Speaker 2: are we going to go over the witness testimony as well?

1:21:57 Speaker 1: Yes, I mean yes, I think you can do this

1:22:03 Speaker 1: justice without it.

1:22:05 Speaker 2: So let's go over the photos. Let's go over the

1:22:08 Speaker 2: photos and the low light photos. Do you have those?

1:22:11 Speaker 1: I can bring them up, Yeah, if you can, just

1:22:14 Speaker 1: so I can clear up my tab situation here.

1:22:17 Speaker 2: Yeah, I can do that, no problem.

1:22:20 Speaker 1: So I again, this the massive response element. These people

1:22:33 Speaker 1: in the video, the video that we just watch specifically,

1:22:37 Speaker 1: they sound like they have no clue what's happening, and

1:22:41 Speaker 1: they say it looks like they're chasing something and then

1:22:45 Speaker 1: the beamed up thing. So again, are we dealing with

1:22:51 Speaker 1: multiple people hoaxing because these are different angles, clearly different

1:22:57 Speaker 1: people taking the videos. So I find it hard to

1:23:00 Speaker 1: believe that this would be a hoax being perpetrated through

1:23:05 Speaker 1: multiple people.

1:23:07 Speaker 2: That's a very good point, Ty, That's what I was

1:23:10 Speaker 2: trying to drive home, that we're not dealing And you

1:23:13 Speaker 2: could maybe make the argument that if it was one

1:23:15 Speaker 2: group of people at one place, that a hoax could

1:23:19 Speaker 2: be possible. But when you're talking about multiple locations not

1:23:23 Speaker 2: connected to each other, that chance of simultaneously multiple groups

1:23:28 Speaker 2: of people decided to do the exact same hoax at

1:23:31 Speaker 2: the same time, that seems very unlikely. At that point.

1:23:34 Speaker 3: I mean, you're like, you have no idea what these

1:23:37 Speaker 3: people were thinking. Yet we're talking about things that we

1:23:42 Speaker 3: have no way to prove that we have no You

1:23:44 Speaker 3: have no idea what what they were thinking or what

1:23:46 Speaker 3: they knew.

1:23:47 Speaker 1: We don't know, And that's a that's an absolutely fair point.

1:23:52 Speaker 1: So what did you want to what did you want

1:23:56 Speaker 1: to get by with the hot low resipics?

1:23:59 Speaker 2: Well, just that this is probably the most famous one

1:24:01 Speaker 2: and there is some sort of shading in the background

1:24:04 Speaker 2: of this triangle as you can see if the filter

1:24:07 Speaker 2: applied that there's some sort of looks like the outline

1:24:10 Speaker 2: of a craft. But maybe it's not. But there is

1:24:16 Speaker 2: some sort of something filter And a lot of people say, well,

1:24:26 Speaker 2: that's you know, smoke that's causing that outline to be

1:24:31 Speaker 2: a pure But I would say, smoke rises up. Smoke

1:24:35 Speaker 2: rises up, and you can clearly see that there is

1:24:38 Speaker 2: some sort of shading below the four top the four

1:24:44 Speaker 2: top lights.

1:24:46 Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know too much. I mean, like,

1:24:50 Speaker 3: can't that happen when I mean, when you're applying a

1:24:52 Speaker 3: filter like it, I mean, don't filters.

1:24:54 Speaker 2: You can even see it in the original. You can

1:24:56 Speaker 2: see it in the original.

1:24:57 Speaker 8: I mean that can be glare, that can be anything, right,

1:25:00 Speaker 8: I mean as a as a as an expert in

1:25:03 Speaker 8: photography myself, I would say that it could be an

1:25:08 Speaker 8: artifact of the camera and if the especially if they're.

1:25:14 Speaker 1: Uh using low exposure. But but and that would that

1:25:22 Speaker 1: it would it would give like some if this was moving,

1:25:25 Speaker 1: it would essentially give it some sort of motion blur,

1:25:28 Speaker 1: but it would it would be more in tune with

1:25:30 Speaker 1: the light of the the light that the it would

1:25:36 Speaker 1: be more it wouldn't be dark black like that. So right,

1:25:43 Speaker 1: But but I'm actually leaning to you, now yeah, well

1:25:47 Speaker 1: I'm leaning. I'm not, I'm not.

1:25:50 Speaker 2: It could it could be an artifact. I'll grant you

1:25:54 Speaker 2: that it could be an artifact of the camera.

1:25:57 Speaker 1: That could be the smoke.

1:25:59 Speaker 2: But I will all again, I will argue it against

1:26:02 Speaker 2: it being the smoke because smoke rises up and there

1:26:06 Speaker 2: would not be smoked below the lights if they were flares.

1:26:12 Speaker 3: What if there was a gust of wind, you know,

1:26:15 Speaker 3: there was a gust of wind, right could blow.

1:26:17 Speaker 2: If there was a gust of wind. Number oh you know, Okay,

1:26:21 Speaker 2: we can argue this point. It's not even that strong.

1:26:23 Speaker 2: But I would just say this, you know, looks like

1:26:26 Speaker 2: that it could be the outline of something. And I

1:26:29 Speaker 2: think that's interesting to at least note. And we'll just

1:26:32 Speaker 2: go through the different photos.

1:26:33 Speaker 3: I mean, it looks like the light from the flares

1:26:36 Speaker 3: like reflecting or glaring off of smoke. That's what it

1:26:39 Speaker 3: looks like to me.

1:26:41 Speaker 2: To me, it looks like Zeta reticulans projecting holograms.

1:26:48 Speaker 3: I mean, you know, I mean, you know it's I

1:26:51 Speaker 3: the beholder, right, I mean, that's you know, it's our

1:26:53 Speaker 3: problem here.

1:26:56 Speaker 2: Okay, Well, so that's the most famous low light photo.

1:26:59 Speaker 2: But we'll get through all the Here's another one. You

1:27:02 Speaker 2: can kind of see it. It's much smaller in this photo,

1:27:04 Speaker 2: but you can see the structures as well.

1:27:07 Speaker 1: This one here. We do have a reference point. Can

1:27:09 Speaker 1: you go back? Yeah, we have a we just went back,

1:27:14 Speaker 1: all right, so we have a reference point.

1:27:18 Speaker 2: And whatever this this and we actually know exactly where

1:27:22 Speaker 2: this was taken, if you if I could bring up

1:27:25 Speaker 2: Google Earth, it's been it's been determined exactly where this was.

1:27:31 Speaker 1: Okay, and it seems like now this is where I

1:27:39 Speaker 1: get I get a little shaky because I'm not seeing

1:27:44 Speaker 1: those golden flares in the sky at this point. So

1:27:48 Speaker 1: have they either fallen down and gone away or have

1:27:52 Speaker 1: they not been shot yet?

1:27:54 Speaker 2: And they haven't been shot yet, because according to what

1:27:57 Speaker 2: the witnesses said, the flares shot up, the two flare

1:28:00 Speaker 2: shot up, and that the after about a minute, the

1:28:05 Speaker 2: five light formation disappeared.

1:28:09 Speaker 3: Hmmm, they said, floor out right. I just want to

1:28:13 Speaker 3: make that distinction that they said, quote unquote it blinked.

1:28:17 Speaker 3: The lights blinked out one by one.

1:28:20 Speaker 2: No, they did not say one by one.

1:28:21 Speaker 1: Well, we can get I got the documents right here, brother,

1:28:25 Speaker 1: hold on, yeah, if you want to pull them up.

1:28:32 Speaker 1: But I thought I wasn't saying I thought we listened

1:28:34 Speaker 1: all the testimony. I don't remember them saying blinking out.

1:28:37 Speaker 1: I remember them saying that they disappear. Yeah, that's what

1:28:41 Speaker 1: I remember too, That's what I remember. I'm the modeling.

1:28:45 Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, no, man, I've I've got the transcript. I'll

1:28:49 Speaker 4: take a screenshot of the transcript and then actually I'll

1:28:52 Speaker 4: find the clue.

1:28:52 Speaker 2: We're gonna be We're gonna be listening to the witnesses.

1:28:55 Speaker 3: So I know the pain's coming. Don't worry.

1:28:57 Speaker 1: Don't worry the pains companies.

1:29:00 Speaker 2: But we'll go through these other photos. This is another one,

1:29:03 Speaker 2: a low light photo. This is in this one. It's

1:29:05 Speaker 2: very symmetrical, extremely symmetrical. So that's just interesting.

1:29:14 Speaker 1: I will give you that that one seems to be taken.

1:29:19 Speaker 3: From a different things that is symmetrical for sure.

1:29:24 Speaker 2: Yeah.

1:29:25 Speaker 1: Yes, again, it confuses me because what time.

1:29:35 Speaker 2: This is different to me? Yes, see the shapes are

1:29:37 Speaker 2: different between these two, yes, and the lighting is different,

1:29:41 Speaker 2: and the time of day it seems like it's a

1:29:44 Speaker 2: different time of day. It's different. Cameras different location, different camera.

1:29:52 Speaker 2: Here's one that's taken through a night vision goggles.

1:29:56 Speaker 1: I did see before.

1:29:58 Speaker 2: You can't really see anything. It's just a giant Can

1:30:01 Speaker 2: you go back?

1:30:02 Speaker 4: Actually a video there's actually like that's a video, not

1:30:05 Speaker 4: just a picture, Like that's an actual video.

1:30:06 Speaker 1: When did that?

1:30:08 Speaker 3: Ten seconds? I'll find the video clip.

1:30:09 Speaker 1: Hold on when we didn't get to that. I never

1:30:13 Speaker 1: saw that picture.

1:30:14 Speaker 2: This this night vision one the binocular.

1:30:17 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's like through a PVS fourteen probably

1:30:20 Speaker 4: or a PVS seven.

1:30:23 Speaker 1: And is that trained on that object?

1:30:26 Speaker 2: This is l formation.

1:30:29 Speaker 1: Yes, it's coming out as just a big ball of light.

1:30:34 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's from an angle. It's probably from the you know,

1:30:36 Speaker 3: the side of it. Maybe that that that could actually

1:30:39 Speaker 3: have been taken from like the helicopter that dropped it,

1:30:42 Speaker 3: you know, for all the window you can see the

1:30:44 Speaker 3: building the air.

1:30:46 Speaker 2: This is This is a building on the right. I

1:30:48 Speaker 2: think this is taken from it. You can see the

1:30:49 Speaker 2: mountain range.

1:30:50 Speaker 4: The buildings on top of the mountain. Okay, you could

1:30:52 Speaker 4: be right. That looks like it's higher an elevation. I

1:30:54 Speaker 4: mean that looks like an upward elevation. They have buildings

1:30:57 Speaker 4: on the side of the mountains you know down there?

1:31:00 Speaker 1: Yeah, and is that is that a is that a window?

1:31:04 Speaker 1: Or is this an that?

1:31:08 Speaker 3: Is that what that is?

1:31:10 Speaker 2: Yeah? I think the cell phone and they put it

1:31:13 Speaker 2: up to the night vision monocular or by night whatever.

1:31:18 Speaker 3: Does that not look like clouds?

1:31:20 Speaker 5: That?

1:31:20 Speaker 3: It's like some clouds to me?

1:31:22 Speaker 1: You see that, there are definitely some clouds.

1:31:24 Speaker 2: You see a little bit of clouds. A little whisky.

1:31:28 Speaker 1: Can I ask what your point with the cloud is.

1:31:32 Speaker 3: I'm just making the point for I can pull it

1:31:34 Speaker 3: out later, you know, when it you know it's I mean,

1:31:37 Speaker 3: just you.

1:31:37 Speaker 1: Know, just for future it's relevant, Okay, all right, Yeah,

1:31:41 Speaker 1: I mean I have.

1:31:41 Speaker 3: No idea when it will be relevant. I'm just making

1:31:43 Speaker 3: the point.

1:31:45 Speaker 2: Okay. Here's a photo of the guys out there watching it,

1:31:49 Speaker 2: and I'm just gonna count. I can see one, two, three,

1:31:53 Speaker 2: I can see four phones.

1:31:56 Speaker 3: And then.

1:31:58 Speaker 1: Count shadows to one. One shadow you can see has

1:32:03 Speaker 1: a is holding up a phone like this or holding

1:32:08 Speaker 1: something up. So there's another There's one, two, three, four,

1:32:14 Speaker 1: five people in the shot that we can't see, but

1:32:17 Speaker 1: we can see their shadows.

1:32:19 Speaker 2: And this is only one side. There's two sides to

1:32:22 Speaker 2: these bunks, and each one of these bunks and I

1:32:25 Speaker 2: think has at least probably like ten people in it.

1:32:27 Speaker 4: Maybe those things are huge. I mean, like I haven't

1:32:31 Speaker 4: been inside one of those. Those are specific like marine training,

1:32:35 Speaker 4: you know, uh huts or whatever. But you know they're

1:32:37 Speaker 4: like right, it's like the half half like cylinders.

1:32:40 Speaker 3: Yeah. Like we had like plywood b huts that are

1:32:42 Speaker 3: basically it's like a plywood shed basically, and like put

1:32:46 Speaker 3: Hesco barriers on the side of it, you know, just

1:32:48 Speaker 3: like big baskets filled with sand and then yeah, you

1:32:51 Speaker 3: know plywood roof. You know. Yeah, like that's what we had.

1:32:54 Speaker 3: Sounds like nice, but a lot more probably fit fifty people.

1:32:59 Speaker 1: I would say. It sounds like you guys got the

1:33:01 Speaker 1: ship end of the stick on that one.

1:33:04 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's yeah, yeah, But I like the

1:33:07 Speaker 3: marine slept in the same things. You know.

1:33:09 Speaker 4: The ply would be huts down range, you know, but

1:33:11 Speaker 4: they had nice training you know, like when what we

1:33:14 Speaker 4: would go to the field, we would just be in

1:33:16 Speaker 4: inside of like our humbies sleeping.

1:33:19 Speaker 3: You know. We didn't have any of these nice you know,

1:33:22 Speaker 3: these really nice facilities.

1:33:23 Speaker 1: Okay. Uh So, something I brought up during the podcast

1:33:28 Speaker 1: that Arthur and I did was these guys are out

1:33:31 Speaker 1: there and they're skibbies. It's like they ran out there, right.

1:33:36 Speaker 1: So this is again bringing me back to the point

1:33:39 Speaker 1: that they it doesn't seem like they knew what was

1:33:44 Speaker 1: going on, that they're that this was a surprise to them,

1:33:49 Speaker 1: that holy like, hey, guys, get out here and check

1:33:53 Speaker 1: this out, right, and then everyone comes out looks like

1:33:56 Speaker 1: everyone's you know, if you're saying, you know, these men,

1:34:06 Speaker 1: if this is routine, right, YadA, YadA, YadA, it doesn't

1:34:11 Speaker 1: seem like they'd be that interested. They have other things

1:34:15 Speaker 1: to do, like maybe they want to catch rack, catch

1:34:19 Speaker 1: rack for the next day. I don't know, just how

1:34:24 Speaker 1: many times have you seen people come out like this.

1:34:27 Speaker 4: I mean, that's what we would would hang out outside.

1:34:29 Speaker 4: It's probably nice and cool. I doubt those things have

1:34:32 Speaker 4: air conditioning, I don't, you know. I mean it's probably

1:34:36 Speaker 4: I mean, I guess it was kind of pro like,

1:34:37 Speaker 4: probably pretty cool.

1:34:38 Speaker 3: But think about it.

1:34:39 Speaker 4: Okay, So there's at least a company, at least one

1:34:41 Speaker 4: company that's over one hundred and men, I mean probably

1:34:44 Speaker 4: one hundred and ten, you know, maybe maybe a little

1:34:48 Speaker 4: bit more, maybe closer to one fifty.

1:34:50 Speaker 3: And that's what maybe fifteen.

1:34:51 Speaker 4: Guys that are outside, you know, hanging out like they're

1:34:54 Speaker 4: probably smoking a cigarette. You know, it's like you're outside,

1:34:57 Speaker 4: you know, what else it's her to do, like, you know,

1:34:59 Speaker 4: go to But the lights are still.

1:35:01 Speaker 3: In the hut.

1:35:02 Speaker 2: And that's not what I see. That's not what I see.

1:35:05 Speaker 2: I see people barefoot. I see people standing in lines

1:35:08 Speaker 2: looking up at the sky holding their cell phones, pointing

1:35:11 Speaker 2: at the what I assume to be the five light formation.

1:35:15 Speaker 2: I don't see this as a routine, casual gathering outdoor.

1:35:20 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's the last time you've been out in the

1:35:22 Speaker 4: field with like, you know, a group of like people

1:35:26 Speaker 4: in the military. You know, it's hang outside, you smoke,

1:35:29 Speaker 4: you hang out inside, and they're probably wearing their shower shoes.

1:35:32 Speaker 1: Like I don't. I don't take pictures of people smoking.

1:35:37 Speaker 3: They're taking pictures of like the flares.

1:35:39 Speaker 2: Why like I took I mean, I would they be

1:35:42 Speaker 2: taking pictures of flares in the first place.

1:35:44 Speaker 1: And I'm not I'm not trying to I'm not trying to.

1:35:46 Speaker 3: Battle, right, They're cool, Like they're cool, Like they're like,

1:35:49 Speaker 3: what else is they to take pictures of?

1:35:50 Speaker 4: You know, it's it's fun, you know, maybe the I

1:35:52 Speaker 4: don't know, you know, uh, you know, send to their

1:35:55 Speaker 4: uh look at this, this is cool, you know, send

1:35:59 Speaker 4: to you know, people like corbells, so that they can,

1:36:01 Speaker 4: you know, create a mass media frenzy over nothing.

1:36:03 Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know. I don't know. I don't

1:36:05 Speaker 3: know who can who can know what these men were thinking?

1:36:08 Speaker 2: Likes Well, you're you're certainly you know, suggesting you do

1:36:13 Speaker 2: know what they're thinking, and so I, you know, I

1:36:17 Speaker 2: I'll push.

1:36:18 Speaker 3: Back on that. I'm saying I'm doing the exact opposite, Arthur.

1:36:21 Speaker 3: I'm saying, we do not know. We have no way

1:36:24 Speaker 3: of knowing what they're thinking. I don't know how else to, like,

1:36:26 Speaker 3: can we put this on like a bit.

1:36:27 Speaker 2: But then you start creating narratives of what they might

1:36:30 Speaker 2: be thinking. It's okay, they're out there smoking. They're out

1:36:37 Speaker 2: there because it's too hot.

1:36:38 Speaker 3: Is that a narrative? I'll get Tony out of here.

1:36:41 Speaker 3: What he better be paying for that, right, you better

1:36:43 Speaker 3: be paying for that.

1:36:45 Speaker 2: I think that they're I think they're out there steering

1:36:48 Speaker 2: at the UFO. They're out there steering at the UFO.

1:36:53 Speaker 1: So again, this picture, in my in a neutral aspect,

1:37:01 Speaker 1: I just don't see that if this is a normal

1:37:07 Speaker 1: routine training exercise. I just I can't explain this picture.

1:37:14 Speaker 1: I mean, I guess I can. I guess, I guess

1:37:20 Speaker 1: I can. It's just it's not It's not a picture

1:37:23 Speaker 1: I would take, like in any circumstance of just people

1:37:29 Speaker 1: out in their underwear in the middle of the desert

1:37:33 Speaker 1: looking up at flares known.

1:37:35 Speaker 3: Flair would be surprised. What else would take pictures of,

1:37:37 Speaker 3: you know, when we're out there in the field, Like,

1:37:40 Speaker 3: I guess he's taking a picture of his friends looking

1:37:44 Speaker 3: at Flairs, like because he knows that he's probably Flairs.

1:37:47 Speaker 3: You know, he's probably taking a picture to laugh at him,

1:37:49 Speaker 3: you know later, like look at all you guys out there.

1:37:51 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I really want to stamp to you know.

1:37:53 Speaker 2: I completely disagree with this hoax idea that you keep

1:37:57 Speaker 2: saying that these are honorable men, they're not liars, they're

1:38:00 Speaker 2: not hoaxers, they're not manipulating what they saw. I think

1:38:03 Speaker 2: these are train marines. And I will continue to push

1:38:06 Speaker 2: back against your your accusations the guys or anything but trustworthy.

1:38:12 Speaker 3: See now you're making it about that. See that's a

1:38:14 Speaker 3: real bad that's a real evil stroll man I can

1:38:16 Speaker 3: tell that you really, you really think you're losing the

1:38:19 Speaker 3: the debate here Arthur to go that, look, well.

1:38:21 Speaker 2: It's because your entire your entire argument is based on

1:38:26 Speaker 2: these witnesses.

1:38:28 Speaker 3: It's not. No, it's not dude. That's a really low blow.

1:38:31 Speaker 2: But I mean, you know, well we can move on that.

1:38:35 Speaker 2: This is the last photo. We got two more. So

1:38:39 Speaker 2: here here's a couple more low light photos.

1:38:41 Speaker 3: I forgot the game where you like go under the bar, like,

1:38:43 Speaker 3: what is that called.

1:38:46 Speaker 2: Below the belt?

1:38:48 Speaker 3: No?

1:38:48 Speaker 1: No, no, ship, Yeah, no, I know what you're talking

1:38:52 Speaker 1: about that and you go like yeah, yeah, like what

1:38:56 Speaker 1: the hell is that called?

1:38:58 Speaker 7: What is it called?

1:39:00 Speaker 3: Just how you know?

1:39:02 Speaker 1: Just how in touch we are?

1:39:04 Speaker 3: I think we are lim limbo limbo.

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1:40:26 Speaker 4: own disclosure whistleblower, all right, one on one, find out

1:40:29 Speaker 4: the real truths, and then afterwards.

1:40:31 Speaker 3: You go out and get shanked in on the basketball court.

1:40:33 Speaker 3: So three thousand dollars, I'll tell it. I'll knock it

1:40:36 Speaker 3: down to fifteen hundred for my friends on Twitter.

1:40:38 Speaker 1: All right, are you uh?

1:40:41 Speaker 3: Are you?

1:40:41 Speaker 1: Are you secretly doctor Greer?

1:40:44 Speaker 2: No, he's talking about this guy. You don't know about

1:40:47 Speaker 2: the prison whistle You'll.

1:40:50 Speaker 3: Get into it right now. That was the ke you know,

1:40:52 Speaker 3: let's let the joke marinate, all right. You know, I'll

1:40:55 Speaker 3: explain it to you later. But uh, doctor Greer, Hey,

1:40:58 Speaker 3: we could shift this in a doctor Greer and just

1:40:59 Speaker 3: get our hate on. You know, like I'm saying right now,

1:41:02 Speaker 3: I'm prore parachute flares. He does like career off the

1:41:06 Speaker 3: parachute flares.

1:41:08 Speaker 2: You know, I want to debunk that. We'll save that debunking.

1:41:11 Speaker 2: We'll save that debate for another day.

1:41:14 Speaker 3: But Arthur Man, you're just on the wrong side of

1:41:17 Speaker 3: all this.

1:41:17 Speaker 2: Man, Oh, you think everything is flares?

1:41:22 Speaker 3: I know. No, No, I do not. I do not.

1:41:25 Speaker 3: I absolutely do not believe you know, one verse of

1:41:32 Speaker 3: whatever you think. If I was a betting man, you

1:41:34 Speaker 3: know I bet the opposite.

1:41:37 Speaker 1: All right, Shots shots fired, right, I mean, he starts, no, no, no, no, no,

1:41:44 Speaker 1: it's okay, It's okay. Shots fired real back in. We

1:41:48 Speaker 1: got two pictures in front of us, two photos nineteen

1:41:51 Speaker 1: seconds apart. We're flying high, all right.

1:41:55 Speaker 2: So.

1:41:57 Speaker 1: Why we don't know exactly in reference from when the videos?

1:42:05 Speaker 1: So Grider, A big thing that you talk about is

1:42:08 Speaker 1: that there's no video longer than thirty seconds. There is

1:42:12 Speaker 1: a video longer than thirty seconds. There's a thirty six

1:42:15 Speaker 1: second video. But I will agree with you in the

1:42:20 Speaker 1: sense that there are four to five videos that total,

1:42:27 Speaker 1: if you were to sequentially add them up, only add

1:42:30 Speaker 1: up to about three or to four minutes maybe, And

1:42:38 Speaker 1: you've hedged a lot on that aspect. I don't understand.

1:42:47 Speaker 1: So the pictures here that we're seeing, we don't know

1:42:50 Speaker 1: when they were taken in reference to when the videos

1:42:52 Speaker 1: were taken. This has caused a lot of frustration. So

1:42:56 Speaker 1: I wish we could get some of the metadata from

1:42:58 Speaker 1: the videos and photos so that we could start saying.

1:43:02 Speaker 3: Here's the thing, though, I just want to at a

1:43:06 Speaker 3: fact to this.

1:43:07 Speaker 2: These are the only two photos that we have metadata

1:43:09 Speaker 2: on because these weren't These didn't come from Corbell. These

1:43:13 Speaker 2: came from a Reddit users, another witness. So we have

1:43:17 Speaker 2: to intact metadata from the iCloud so we can be

1:43:22 Speaker 2: confident when these were taken.

1:43:24 Speaker 4: Okay, so these are the photos? Yeah, because someone just

1:43:26 Speaker 4: DM me. Goodness, someone just dm me uh And I

1:43:35 Speaker 4: took a look briefly at it. I think I think

1:43:37 Speaker 4: this is like on you know, the second Mickwest debunk.

1:43:41 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, oh yeah, I'm a fed. Yeah, we're so delusional.

1:43:47 Speaker 1: But I started that comment.

1:43:50 Speaker 3: Oh it's cool, it's I mean's whatever, you know, it's

1:43:53 Speaker 3: I love that stuff. But yeah, so apparently these are

1:43:57 Speaker 3: the photos.

1:43:58 Speaker 4: No, No, I didn't, and I thought I only thought

1:44:00 Speaker 4: that because there's some erroneous work done by another.

1:44:04 Speaker 3: It's just not really. I'm okay, I take responsibilities. We'll

1:44:07 Speaker 3: go well, you know what, we're always trying to think

1:44:09 Speaker 3: outside the box.

1:44:09 Speaker 1: You know what, I'm the last, the last, the last

1:44:13 Speaker 1: twenty minutes of this.

1:44:14 Speaker 3: Well, well, you want to be cussing each other out,

1:44:16 Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, Like, Yeah, we'll want to

1:44:18 Speaker 3: tell Arthur exactly what I think of a minute's freaking

1:44:20 Speaker 3: Cole's clearance rack attire? You know?

1:44:25 Speaker 1: Is that all that way into it?

1:44:26 Speaker 3: Oh, you're gonna find out.

1:44:28 Speaker 1: No, but I wanted to ask you a question about

1:44:31 Speaker 1: Ashton Forbes.

1:44:33 Speaker 3: No, I I defer. I've like, I really don't like

1:44:37 Speaker 3: to talk crap about people unless they're like right there.

1:44:40 Speaker 3: You know, if Ashton come on, like, we'll go back

1:44:42 Speaker 3: to the old days of me cussing them out, you know,

1:44:44 Speaker 3: and blowing up, and you can kick me out of

1:44:46 Speaker 3: the chat, you know, like I used to kick out

1:44:48 Speaker 3: of spaces, like we can go back to the old days.

1:44:50 Speaker 3: That's right. Now.

1:44:51 Speaker 1: I just wanted to know your views on it, all, right, Okay, anyway,

1:44:55 Speaker 1: so the metadata, the metadata would be very crucial to

1:44:59 Speaker 1: this case. Yes, in at least verifying when each video

1:45:05 Speaker 1: is taken, so that we could correspond and correlate that

1:45:10 Speaker 1: either you know, if there's overlap or or not, so

1:45:14 Speaker 1: that we could start piecing together timeframes. Grinder in your experience,

1:45:20 Speaker 1: Even if if flares were dropped from an osprey in

1:45:24 Speaker 1: this formation, how long would they stay in the air

1:45:29 Speaker 1: at alta minutes? Seven minutes? Okaytes, And that aligns with

1:45:35 Speaker 1: the research that we've done, that that Arthur and I

1:45:38 Speaker 1: have done.

1:45:39 Speaker 3: Now, okay, you guys, okay, you got a little research

1:45:42 Speaker 3: on your own.

1:45:42 Speaker 1: Okay, yes, so Arthur, yea, Arthur, Arthur, what what are

1:45:56 Speaker 1: the significance of these photos being nineteen seconds apart, uh

1:46:00 Speaker 1: taken by another user separate from the Corbell investigation?

1:46:06 Speaker 2: Well, they're they're very important for my research specifically because

1:46:11 Speaker 2: it's the only iPhone photos where we have a certainty

1:46:15 Speaker 2: what time they were taken. So later on I'll show

1:46:20 Speaker 2: that the Foya photos don't match up with the with

1:46:24 Speaker 2: the timeline from these two specific photos and in other words,

1:46:30 Speaker 2: the FOYA photos, which are you know, quote unquote debunking

1:46:34 Speaker 2: this case. We're taking much earlier and you can clearly

1:46:38 Speaker 2: see that the flares had burnt out at that point.

1:46:41 Speaker 3: So these are these are crucial. They took it earlier

1:46:46 Speaker 3: in preparation for the UFO that was going to appear

1:46:51 Speaker 3: like minutes later. Is that what? No?

1:46:54 Speaker 2: No, My My theory, I'll wrap it up pretty quickly

1:46:57 Speaker 2: is that there was a mass u ap siding at

1:47:01 Speaker 2: this base. It was an incursion by an unknown It

1:47:04 Speaker 2: caused a significant ruckus on the base with massive response,

1:47:10 Speaker 2: and that part of their information containment operation of this

1:47:14 Speaker 2: massive up siding was to at a later date stage

1:47:20 Speaker 2: a five light flare and a similar configuration so that

1:47:24 Speaker 2: at a later date that they could just publish those

1:47:28 Speaker 2: to instantly debunk the case before it gains traction.

1:47:33 Speaker 3: That's a that's a creative story.

1:47:35 Speaker 4: But how are you going to explain the fact that

1:47:37 Speaker 4: they had all these air assets scheduled for this exact

1:47:40 Speaker 4: time to be doing a training exercise where it was

1:47:44 Speaker 4: like literally they always.

1:47:45 Speaker 2: They're doing training exercises every day, every night.

1:47:48 Speaker 3: Aircraft like at this exact time, fifty aircraft, you know,

1:47:53 Speaker 3: multiple multiple altitudes, like stacked up at all I mean

1:47:57 Speaker 3: at all levels, coordinating with it. They're always training refueling point. Okay,

1:48:02 Speaker 3: well you know see.

1:48:04 Speaker 1: Well well let's let's let's let's let's stop flying guys.

1:48:10 Speaker 3: So I have the data, but you know, we're.

1:48:14 Speaker 2: Your point is that there was a training exercise that night,

1:48:18 Speaker 2: And I say, yes, there was a training exercise that night.

1:48:21 Speaker 2: There's training exercise.

1:48:23 Speaker 1: You're saying that all these.

1:48:26 Speaker 3: Air assets rushed into the area when I'm saying that

1:48:28 Speaker 3: they were they were scheduled to be in the area

1:48:31 Speaker 3: at that exact time.

1:48:32 Speaker 2: I had over Camp Wilson.

1:48:35 Speaker 3: Yes, over They were not over Camp Wilson, like they

1:48:39 Speaker 3: were over the training range. They were over the range

1:48:42 Speaker 3: like I have. I tried to pull out this you

1:48:44 Speaker 3: know proof earlier and I got shut down.

1:48:46 Speaker 1: Well yeah, I was gonna say this. If we're actually

1:48:50 Speaker 1: looking at this, this craft is far if sorry, I

1:48:55 Speaker 1: said craft, that's just that was my bad. This thing

1:49:00 Speaker 1: is over the mountain. It looks like to some degree,

1:49:04 Speaker 1: I would say that's.

1:49:05 Speaker 3: An aircraft off to the left too, right, like it's

1:49:07 Speaker 3: in that an aircraft. I have the ADSP data. I

1:49:10 Speaker 3: wonder you see that off to the left.

1:49:12 Speaker 1: I do see that off to the last.

1:49:14 Speaker 3: It's got to be an airplane, a civilian airliner.

1:49:17 Speaker 2: Oh, there's just a well how.

1:49:19 Speaker 1: Would that be how would that be cleared in that?

1:49:23 Speaker 3: I mean, that's probably way off.

1:49:25 Speaker 4: That's probably like okay, so o wait, so Camp Wilson

1:49:28 Speaker 4: is on like the bottom portion, like if you look

1:49:31 Speaker 4: at a map of twenty nine.

1:49:32 Speaker 3: In fact, I've got a map if you go to uh,

1:49:36 Speaker 3: if you go to number I have it right here.

1:49:40 Speaker 6: Yeah.

1:49:41 Speaker 3: Well you know I don't really want your map go

1:49:42 Speaker 3: to a number eleven. Yes, yes, not.

1:49:45 Speaker 2: This is Camp Wilson. So this is Camp Wilson on

1:49:48 Speaker 2: the left, weiber eleven. It's the training village.

1:49:54 Speaker 3: Yeah, I've got a better map.

1:49:57 Speaker 1: He actually does have a really good map.

1:50:00 Speaker 3: You got six of them.

1:50:05 Speaker 2: So the foyer photos were taking from this training village

1:50:09 Speaker 2: seventeen miles away from Camp Wilson.

1:50:16 Speaker 3: Yeah, so look okay, so right there you see right

1:50:19 Speaker 3: there and like the bottom left and like the bottom

1:50:21 Speaker 3: see that, like that's where Camp Wilson is right there

1:50:24 Speaker 3: in that kind of that you know that bottom left

1:50:27 Speaker 3: area right there? Uh more clothes, I mean it's like

1:50:29 Speaker 3: in that pocket you see it? Okay, so dang, I

1:50:32 Speaker 3: wish you could see my so well.

1:50:34 Speaker 1: All right, bottom left, it draw me to where you

1:50:37 Speaker 1: are right there.

1:50:38 Speaker 4: It's like right, you know, like Camp Wilson in the

1:50:40 Speaker 4: airport and everything is that's right there in the right

1:50:44 Speaker 4: side of that uh tan area, that really khaki colored

1:50:47 Speaker 4: area that doesn't have any you know, circles over it

1:50:51 Speaker 4: or any it's like that. All the lines are around

1:50:55 Speaker 4: you see what I'm saying, But it's still marked off

1:50:58 Speaker 4: by that solid black line at the bottom.

1:51:00 Speaker 3: You see how it kind of there's a black line.

1:51:02 Speaker 2: It's really hard to describe. You'd have to put your

1:51:04 Speaker 2: cursor right there.

1:51:05 Speaker 1: To Yeah, I'm having a hard time with it. Well

1:51:08 Speaker 1: all right, all right, all right, you labeled them one, two, three, four, five, six,

1:51:13 Speaker 1: let's uh, let's stay on number one and guide me.

1:51:19 Speaker 3: Those are coordinators though with like the data that I had,

1:51:21 Speaker 3: like which you don't want to go in, which we

1:51:23 Speaker 3: don't want to get into right now.

1:51:25 Speaker 1: So no, we'll get into it here.

1:51:28 Speaker 3: Hold on, hold on, hold on, yeah, I mean probably

1:51:35 Speaker 3: let's go in and save this. And like I was

1:51:37 Speaker 3: just trying to show you guys where Camp Wilson. Is

1:51:39 Speaker 3: is what I was doing? All right?

1:51:42 Speaker 1: Well yeah he was too, to be fair, so but

1:51:50 Speaker 1: but you're right, this is it doesn't really give us

1:51:53 Speaker 1: a good clear picture of the the the terrain, the

1:51:58 Speaker 1: all around terrain.

1:51:59 Speaker 2: This is Camp Wilson as well.

1:52:04 Speaker 3: Right, hey, so hey, so go to uh go to

1:52:08 Speaker 3: uh number twenty. All right, number twenty.

1:52:11 Speaker 4: It's a four. It's a four collage in the top right,

1:52:15 Speaker 4: it's got a really good map. Uh that is the

1:52:18 Speaker 4: actual map that came with the Foyer request materials. So

1:52:22 Speaker 4: number twenty, it'll be like a couple of tables on

1:52:24 Speaker 4: the bottom and then a some type of chart where

1:52:27 Speaker 4: it you know, it has all the different activities that

1:52:29 Speaker 4: are going on during that time, and then the right

1:52:32 Speaker 4: will be a.

1:52:33 Speaker 3: Blue map says like be yeah, there we go. Is

1:52:35 Speaker 3: there any way you can zoom into the top right?

1:52:38 Speaker 1: Unfortunately, okay, I doesn't say it's not letting me zoom in.

1:52:43 Speaker 1: But I did actually add it into my photos. Let

1:52:47 Speaker 1: me see if I can, if I can get a

1:52:50 Speaker 1: better copy of it. Uppere No, it doesn't work, no,

1:53:07 Speaker 1: unfortunately not.

1:53:10 Speaker 4: I just sent it to the It's it's the newest

1:53:12 Speaker 4: thing on the media, and it should pull up like

1:53:14 Speaker 4: a full screen. It's really not very clear.

1:53:18 Speaker 2: But what did you say, Jeremy Corbell's retweeting us.

1:53:33 Speaker 1: Yeah, Hey, shout out to Jeremy Corbell.

1:53:39 Speaker 4: Jeremy Man, I'm sending right now, sending a high death

1:53:43 Speaker 4: version of it. Uh so it's it's taken a minute

1:53:47 Speaker 4: from my internet to send it.

1:53:48 Speaker 3: You know, don't have good high death version of the

1:53:54 Speaker 3: entire There we go.

1:53:56 Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, I got it.

1:54:00 Speaker 3: And if you look at Camp Wilson is in the

1:54:02 Speaker 3: bottom left, you see right there in the middle, that's

1:54:05 Speaker 3: the range, all right, So that's that's where they do

1:54:08 Speaker 3: most of their dropping of like uh you know, aircraft

1:54:11 Speaker 3: like air to ground type of type of type of

1:54:16 Speaker 3: m armament. And this is the actually just from the

1:54:20 Speaker 3: foyer requests that I sent it to the media group

1:54:27 Speaker 3: group DM.

1:54:30 Speaker 2: There.

1:54:32 Speaker 1: Fuck me, I don't want to teach this so much time.

1:54:36 Speaker 3: No, no, like go to the go to the go

1:54:38 Speaker 3: to the media.

1:54:38 Speaker 1: No, I'm on it right now.

1:54:40 Speaker 3: You're there. And there's not two uh two blue maps

1:54:44 Speaker 3: that got sent.

1:54:45 Speaker 1: No, but it got sent to my phone. It's weird.

1:54:50 Speaker 1: I feel like an idiot right now. We're just holding

1:54:52 Speaker 1: everybody out.

1:54:53 Speaker 3: No, man, it's not you do it's X you know,

1:54:55 Speaker 3: it's they're always glitchen because I got them.

1:54:59 Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna yeah, oh wow, these are actually Yeah,

1:55:05 Speaker 1: I want you to do that real quick, please, just

1:55:08 Speaker 1: so we don't have any gaps and no problem. But yeah,

1:55:16 Speaker 1: so Jeremy, if Jeremy, if you watch, I would talk

1:55:22 Speaker 1: to you about this case and about a bunch of

1:55:24 Speaker 1: other things. That's what I'm I want is the metadata

1:55:33 Speaker 1: so that we can start start correlating whether or not

1:55:38 Speaker 1: that we have enough time in the videos add it

1:55:43 Speaker 1: up that don't overlap to to get near his seven

1:55:48 Speaker 1: minute time frame, because that could show us a lot

1:55:52 Speaker 1: if if we can show that these things stayed in

1:55:56 Speaker 1: formation for as close to seven minutes as possible, then

1:56:00 Speaker 1: and I mean for me, that says something because like

1:56:05 Speaker 1: like you said, hold on.

1:56:07 Speaker 3: Arthur, all right, So my wish if we're doing our

1:56:10 Speaker 3: you know, Jeremy Corbel, Jeanie in the bottle with I

1:56:13 Speaker 3: just want to I just want to party with Bob

1:56:15 Speaker 3: Bazaar and George Knapp for a week and I want

1:56:18 Speaker 3: let's go to the.

1:56:19 Speaker 4: Let's get it done. You know what I'm saying. That's

1:56:23 Speaker 4: all that I want actually more fun than all this stuff.

1:56:26 Speaker 3: You know.

1:56:27 Speaker 1: Yeah, I retract my statement. I'm with Grider now. I

1:56:31 Speaker 1: just want to party with Corbel and and George.

1:56:35 Speaker 4: You know, George Knapp and Bob Bazaar threw down back

1:56:37 Speaker 4: in the day, right, I bet they tore Vegas up.

1:56:43 Speaker 4: I can't even imagine ohory days.

1:56:47 Speaker 3: All right, So look and you see, uh yeah, so

1:56:53 Speaker 3: in the bottom left there's like a blue Oh yeah,

1:56:57 Speaker 3: that's right.

1:56:58 Speaker 4: So right there is right there is Fob Wilson, and

1:57:01 Speaker 4: then there's the range and uh yeah, and then this

1:57:06 Speaker 4: range is where I'm pretty sure that's this, and then

1:57:08 Speaker 4: it looks like maybe Sunshine Peak is the same type

1:57:11 Speaker 4: of you know, topographical notation. I don't know what you

1:57:16 Speaker 4: would call that, you know, the map feature or whatever.

1:57:18 Speaker 3: The lines.

1:57:19 Speaker 4: It basically annotates where they can drop air to ground ordinance.

1:57:23 Speaker 4: You know, it's in a specific area because you know,

1:57:25 Speaker 4: you have to think when you're dropping air to ground ordinance,

1:57:27 Speaker 4: you have to worry and flares which in the year

1:57:30 Speaker 4: so the only figure that I was able to find

1:57:32 Speaker 4: was in the year twenty ten, they dropped close to

1:57:36 Speaker 4: twenty thousand flares, you know, twenty thousand lu to Lou

1:57:42 Speaker 4: nineteen flares over twenty nine palms.

1:57:44 Speaker 3: That's a lot.

1:57:45 Speaker 4: So that's a I mean, that's a lot of potential

1:57:48 Speaker 4: to start a fire, and so you would think, you know,

1:57:50 Speaker 4: that's why they keep it controlled in this one area

1:57:53 Speaker 4: right here would be my assumption. And then this night

1:57:57 Speaker 4: they had operations going on Objective A, Objective B. I

1:58:00 Speaker 4: think Objective B is possibly where the photo was taken

1:58:05 Speaker 4: from and where they had the refueling point set up,

1:58:09 Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure. And then they had something going on

1:58:13 Speaker 4: at Black Top two right over here, and you know

1:58:15 Speaker 4: there's Gaze Pass and Rainbow Canyon.

1:58:18 Speaker 3: You know, they're really creative with names, but.

1:58:21 Speaker 2: A lot of people might not understand how big this is.

1:58:23 Speaker 2: This is the largest, you know, square mile of largest

1:58:28 Speaker 2: marine base in the entire world, so they have an

1:58:31 Speaker 2: enormous amount of space to do their exercise.

1:58:34 Speaker 4: And one thing to point out is that look at

1:58:36 Speaker 4: so this photo right here, this is where this is

1:58:39 Speaker 4: where it was taken right here, So this is where

1:58:41 Speaker 4: the other photos. We got one photo right here, one

1:58:43 Speaker 4: photographer right here. Then we got the marines right here.

1:58:46 Speaker 4: And look where the right here is where the flares

1:58:48 Speaker 4: were dropped over.

1:58:49 Speaker 2: Now there's no legend on here. There's no legend. I

1:58:52 Speaker 2: don't see a legend for this.

1:58:54 Speaker 3: I'm telling you what it stands for. I mean, it

1:58:56 Speaker 3: says range. Right there.

1:58:57 Speaker 2: You're telling me without a legend, that you know what

1:59:01 Speaker 2: this map means.

1:59:03 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's range right there. That's range.

1:59:07 Speaker 2: They're all ranges. It's a mountain range. I think that means.

1:59:12 Speaker 2: I think that means a mountain range. I think that's.

1:59:17 Speaker 1: Ire. But but, but but I did say earlier that

1:59:22 Speaker 1: Camp Wilson is where you stage before you go to

1:59:25 Speaker 1: the range. So that would align with what my cousin,

1:59:28 Speaker 1: who was stationed on the base set, So I.

1:59:32 Speaker 3: Don't know, downrange like downrange. Maybe that's what you meant.

1:59:36 Speaker 2: No, I think what he was saying is that this

1:59:38 Speaker 2: is a massive base and that Camp Wilson is where

1:59:42 Speaker 2: they stage and get ready. They don't actually launch munitions

1:59:46 Speaker 2: at Camp Wilson. They go off out further into.

1:59:49 Speaker 3: The base to launch their Yeah, right there, they launch

1:59:54 Speaker 3: it right over the range, right in the range.

1:59:57 Speaker 2: The mountain range. That's a mountain range, all right.

2:00:00 Speaker 1: So I think we have a dispute about that.

2:00:03 Speaker 3: This is a topographical map though this is like right.

2:00:06 Speaker 1: I was gonna say where would the mountain be that

2:00:12 Speaker 1: we're seeing, you know, so you know in all the videos,

2:00:16 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, the pictures that we were just seeing. If

2:00:19 Speaker 1: you could with your cursor, could you show roughly where

2:00:23 Speaker 1: you where the mountain is in in in the.

2:00:26 Speaker 3: There's mountains like look, okay, so can you side by

2:00:29 Speaker 3: side this mountains?

2:00:33 Speaker 1: See this big ass hill to the left, Yeah.

2:00:36 Speaker 3: That's right there. It's where the range is. This. This

2:00:39 Speaker 3: is it.

2:00:39 Speaker 4: Like you can see the beginning of the topographical you

2:00:42 Speaker 4: know thing for a change in elevation right here, Like

2:00:46 Speaker 4: you can see that beginning right here, and then the

2:00:48 Speaker 4: range covers it up.

2:00:49 Speaker 3: You can see, look right there, there's more. There's more

2:00:52 Speaker 3: on the backside. This is the mountain range right here.

2:00:54 Speaker 4: This is not they wouldn't like, is there any other

2:00:58 Speaker 4: topographical feature that is annotated on this map.

2:01:02 Speaker 3: Range means range as in the range where you fire,

2:01:06 Speaker 3: where you drop like air to ground.

2:01:07 Speaker 2: And those are all ranges. Those are all a bunch

2:01:10 Speaker 2: of different ranges.

2:01:12 Speaker 4: I mean, I'm telling you that that would be incorrect. Uh,

2:01:15 Speaker 4: that would be incorrect as far as you know, as

2:01:18 Speaker 4: far as what the map shows.

2:01:19 Speaker 2: Up, well as far as the geography. Can you actually

2:01:23 Speaker 2: put both of our things up at the same time,

2:01:26 Speaker 2: this one as well as mine that I'm sharing that possible.

2:01:31 Speaker 4: I mean, look, there's like the city right there's probably

2:01:34 Speaker 4: the city of twenty nine Palms, and right here, like

2:01:36 Speaker 4: the whole point that we brought up this map for

2:01:38 Speaker 4: is to see the boundary and to see if that

2:01:42 Speaker 4: photo was taken from the opposite side of the mountain

2:01:45 Speaker 4: going back towards, and that means that the that the

2:01:48 Speaker 4: aircraft would have been flying right along here.

2:01:52 Speaker 3: I guess it would have been flying.

2:01:54 Speaker 2: Uh.

2:01:54 Speaker 4: And I've got the ADSB that I can pull up

2:01:56 Speaker 4: and that we'll see a plane flying right along here.

2:02:00 Speaker 4: But I've been wrong before.

2:02:02 Speaker 3: I could be wrong.

2:02:05 Speaker 1: There's no way, there's no way for me to pull

2:02:08 Speaker 1: both of them up.

2:02:09 Speaker 2: It's okay, I think we're in the weeds a little

2:02:12 Speaker 2: bit here.

2:02:13 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we need to So that's what I

2:02:14 Speaker 1: was gonna say, is I think we need to fly

2:02:16 Speaker 1: back a little bit and get back to Let's get back,

2:02:22 Speaker 1: Let's get off of that, Let's get off of that section.

2:02:26 Speaker 1: Where do you guys want to go next? The witnesses? Okay,

2:02:31 Speaker 1: so we're.

2:02:31 Speaker 6: Gonna be.

2:02:34 Speaker 3: No. So I mean just meaning like I'll let him

2:02:36 Speaker 3: drive the conversation. I mean, he knows the case.

2:02:38 Speaker 1: Better than I respect that friend, I really do. So

2:02:44 Speaker 1: where where am I going for this?

2:02:46 Speaker 2: Look in the media thread and then you should see

2:02:50 Speaker 2: right after I posted all the videos five witnesses.

2:02:54 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's right.

2:02:56 Speaker 3: Okay, I gotta throw my taco meat on the on

2:02:59 Speaker 3: the of and so I'll be I'll still be listening,

2:03:02 Speaker 3: but give me like three minutes. I won't be speaking back.

2:03:06 Speaker 1: So far, guys. I was just saying, I was gonna say,

2:03:10 Speaker 1: do you guys want to take a take a quick five?

2:03:12 Speaker 1: We are two hours in.

2:03:14 Speaker 2: Yeah, I need to take a quick I think I

2:03:16 Speaker 2: think the audience.

2:03:17 Speaker 1: I think the audience would understand if we took a

2:03:20 Speaker 1: quick five minutes at two hours. Okay, yeah, and listen,

2:03:26 Speaker 1: listen we have we have roughly two thousand people here.

2:03:31 Speaker 1: Jeremy Corbel shared and gave us all credit for participating

2:03:37 Speaker 1: in this, so I expect that more people will be

2:03:41 Speaker 1: chiming in and coming in soon as as this develops. So, guys,

2:03:46 Speaker 1: we are in the middle. I don't care how long

2:03:50 Speaker 1: this goes. It's it's all for you, guys.

2:03:53 Speaker 3: Uh this I can go and beat Arthur up on

2:03:56 Speaker 3: that too, you know what I mean, we'll probably opposing

2:03:58 Speaker 3: points on it, right. I think it's a helicite.

2:04:01 Speaker 1: The jellyfish one is really interesting though.

2:04:06 Speaker 3: Well it's all right, Well, you know what I'm gonna have.

2:04:11 Speaker 2: I'll have another debate.

2:04:13 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say, you guys are really fun.

2:04:15 Speaker 1: So all right, guys, we'll be right back after these messages.

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