UFOs Glitches in the Simulation? Reality- Mandela Effect & The Nature of God (Ft. Rizwan Virk) PT. 2

0:06 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Total Disclosure. My name's Tye and I

0:11 Speaker 1: am the host of the show. Welcome to part two

0:17 Speaker 1: of our episode with riz Wan Verk. We have a

0:21 Speaker 1: wonderful conversation about simulation theory, and Part one has been

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0:52 Speaker 1: first and studio episode, I didn't do it. We also

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1:32 Speaker 1: Rizwan Verk. This one opens where the last one set off,

1:37 Speaker 1: and it opens on pretty powerful moment for me, So

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2:03 Speaker 1: are we living in a simulation? I'm eleven, I have

2:07 Speaker 1: no idea what I'm looking at right. I run into

2:10 Speaker 1: the house and I told my mom like, what the fuck?

2:14 Speaker 1: I wasn't say fuck, but I was like, what did

2:16 Speaker 1: I just see?

2:16 Speaker 2: Like what was that?

2:18 Speaker 1: And she didn't try to like tell me I saw.

2:20 Speaker 3: Balloons or God or anything.

2:23 Speaker 2: She was like, you saw a UFO? And I'm like,

2:25 Speaker 2: what's a ufo?

2:26 Speaker 1: Then she so she instilled in me what she was

2:31 Speaker 1: in the house.

2:32 Speaker 2: She didn't see it though.

2:34 Speaker 1: But it ties back in later in life when she died.

2:38 Speaker 1: I was in the room. But so so she tells

2:41 Speaker 1: me from a young age, she lets me know that

2:43 Speaker 1: there's ship in the world that we don't understand, right.

2:48 Speaker 4: So, and and.

2:49 Speaker 1: That's how I went on. That's how that's how I

2:51 Speaker 1: I saw life going forward, was that there was mystery,

2:55 Speaker 1: right that there was It wasn't just black and white.

2:58 Speaker 1: There was some gray and you know, it came full

3:02 Speaker 1: circle because I was in this very toxic environment in

3:04 Speaker 1: Hollywood and filmmaking and just you know, we're around people

3:08 Speaker 1: I just that were so awful. And then I come

3:12 Speaker 1: home because she's dying and I'm in the room with

3:15 Speaker 1: her her final moments, and I can't really explain it

3:22 Speaker 1: without like crying or tear it up. But we make

3:26 Speaker 1: these micro decisions right, very very quick decisions on a

3:30 Speaker 1: consistent basis, going back to the simulation idea. But I

3:35 Speaker 1: looked down while her hand is in my hand.

3:38 Speaker 2: I look up.

3:39 Speaker 1: This is a millisecond by the time I came looked

3:43 Speaker 1: down and came up, this orb crossed my field of vision,

3:48 Speaker 1: just went out the window and up and I looked

3:51 Speaker 1: back and my mom was gone.

3:53 Speaker 3: So that was her?

3:55 Speaker 1: I don't or yes, because and it all was kept

4:00 Speaker 1: saying was she didn't want to be alone. She didn't

4:03 Speaker 1: want to be alone, she didn't want to be alone,

4:05 Speaker 1: she didn't want to die. And I mean she's she

4:08 Speaker 1: she died on four three two one. So yeah. So

4:15 Speaker 1: and that's at that moment that I saw that orb,

4:19 Speaker 1: all these memories start come flooding back. Now I'd known

4:22 Speaker 1: about my UFO siding, of course, but all these other

4:25 Speaker 1: memories start coming back about her, and and then I

4:28 Speaker 1: won't bog down too deep in it. But I started

4:31 Speaker 1: total disclosure the minute I saw that ORB, because I

4:34 Speaker 1: was like, I want answers.

4:35 Speaker 3: You know, that's interesting.

4:36 Speaker 4: It's almost like you're seeing the ORB was purposeful, what

4:41 Speaker 4: I mean, in a way to get you to go

4:43 Speaker 4: down this path.

4:44 Speaker 1: Yes, because then I and and yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah. Unapologetically,

4:53 Speaker 1: I've been in the right place at the right time

4:56 Speaker 1: far too many times. I was in the right place

4:59 Speaker 1: to bring Robert Tallis into Nancy Mace's office, allow him

5:03 Speaker 1: to brief her on the nineteen sixty seven melmstrip case,

5:06 Speaker 1: right place to see Danny she in, you know, And

5:08 Speaker 1: then I end up at Contact in the desert, and

5:11 Speaker 1: all these things have happened and led me to this

5:13 Speaker 1: moment right now, And I feel like it was all

5:16 Speaker 1: set in motion that day I saw the UFO and

5:19 Speaker 1: my mom told me that there was mystery.

5:21 Speaker 4: In the world.

5:22 Speaker 1: She let me know that we didn't understand everything right.

5:25 Speaker 1: And then she brought me to the library that she

5:27 Speaker 1: gave me communion by Whitley Streeber. She sent me down

5:31 Speaker 1: this path, and then she kept me when I diverted

5:35 Speaker 1: from the path. She knew I loved filmmaking and podcasting,

5:41 Speaker 1: and then she shows me this orb when she dies

5:43 Speaker 1: and sets me on this path. Total disclosure.

5:46 Speaker 4: That's really fascinating to me because you know, I have

5:48 Speaker 4: this theory that we we talked about the life review earlier, right,

5:53 Speaker 4: I believe we also have what's called a life preview,

5:56 Speaker 4: and that is, you know, before we're incarnate.

5:58 Speaker 3: So in a video game, you choose your character.

6:01 Speaker 4: Right, So like soul contract, like a soul contract, but

6:04 Speaker 4: also like you know, you choose attributes or you're like

6:07 Speaker 4: in a video game, you choose.

6:08 Speaker 1: Like Elf, Dwarf, you know, right, hobbit whatever, Right, you

6:14 Speaker 1: choose your race, circumstances, circumstances.

6:16 Speaker 4: Yeah, and you have different attributes right of that. You know,

6:19 Speaker 4: we used to play Dudgeons the Dragons and we threw

6:22 Speaker 4: I loved it. Yeah, And so you know you have strength, constitution,

6:25 Speaker 4: and I think we come in with a certain amount

6:28 Speaker 4: of each of these that is part of our character

6:32 Speaker 4: definition or our character sheet, if you will. But we

6:35 Speaker 4: also come in with a storyline. So it's related to

6:37 Speaker 4: this idea of so contract. But it's basically an overall

6:41 Speaker 4: storyline of things that we might want to accomplish in

6:44 Speaker 4: this life and that we still have the opportunity to change.

6:50 Speaker 4: And so there there's a guy who's work I'm a

6:52 Speaker 4: fan of a guy named doctor Michael nut.

6:54 Speaker 3: He wrote a book called Journey of Souls. I don't

6:56 Speaker 3: know if you're familiar, no, but he.

6:58 Speaker 4: Passed away a while ago, but in the nineties it

7:01 Speaker 4: came out. It was one of the best selling books

7:02 Speaker 4: about this subject. And he would hypnotize his patients and

7:06 Speaker 4: took them back for traumas or whatever reason he was doing,

7:09 Speaker 4: you know, the regression, and they would end up between

7:13 Speaker 4: lives like before they were born, but after the previous life, and.

7:17 Speaker 3: So they would describe to him what went on in what.

7:20 Speaker 4: The Tibetans would call the bardo, which Bardeau meets literally.

7:23 Speaker 1: In between the limbo, right, yeah, in between.

7:27 Speaker 3: So you know, we might even call it the afterlife

7:29 Speaker 3: for heaven, depending on you know, you look at it

7:31 Speaker 3: as a pre life or afterlife, right.

7:33 Speaker 4: And it was interesting because he said that they would

7:37 Speaker 4: see on what looked like a screen.

7:40 Speaker 3: So again we have to remember these are metaphors.

7:42 Speaker 4: It was like a screen with a machine that showed

7:46 Speaker 4: these lines of their life, but it also showed certain

7:51 Speaker 4: points where you could diverge depending on the choices that

7:55 Speaker 4: you would make at the pot. And so I see

7:58 Speaker 4: that as essential in the video game of life, if

8:02 Speaker 4: you will, we have a storyline, and these are the

8:05 Speaker 4: things that we're drawn back to again and again.

8:07 Speaker 3: We also have side quests, so we go off and we.

8:10 Speaker 4: Do other things, but keep getting drawn back to certain areas. Now,

8:17 Speaker 4: he also said he could zoom in on this timeline

8:20 Speaker 4: and see what might happen at that point in time.

8:22 Speaker 3: So we also had this preview capability.

8:25 Speaker 4: Which is we can look at what might happen if

8:29 Speaker 4: you do ex or y. Now, for example, if you

8:33 Speaker 4: hadn't seen that orb, would you have gone down this path?

8:38 Speaker 3: And so in a.

8:38 Speaker 4: Sense, it was almost as if, okay, if you were

8:41 Speaker 4: in a game, we need the character to do something,

8:44 Speaker 4: we need to show we in this case would be

8:46 Speaker 4: your writer's room, not necessarily the writer's room the whole world, right,

8:49 Speaker 4: it's the writer's room, which is you, the player, sitting

8:52 Speaker 4: there with perhaps a guide or a director or who

8:55 Speaker 4: knows who else is there with you, being of light

8:57 Speaker 4: whatever terminology.

8:58 Speaker 1: God, Yeah, whatever Jesus the name it.

9:01 Speaker 4: But but the point is, there's a part of you

9:03 Speaker 4: that knows this was your intention, and so how can

9:07 Speaker 4: we get you to move in a certain direction?

9:09 Speaker 3: And I think this by going.

9:13 Speaker 2: Forward with like nexus moments.

9:15 Speaker 4: Trying out what might happen if you didn't have that

9:18 Speaker 4: I'm trying. But now this ties right back to the

9:20 Speaker 4: Philip K.

9:21 Speaker 3: Dick speech.

9:22 Speaker 4: That's where he said, not only are we living in

9:26 Speaker 4: a computer program reality that the line everybody remembers, but

9:29 Speaker 4: that the only clue we have is when some alteration

9:33 Speaker 4: occurs in our reality. So he came to believe that people,

9:40 Speaker 4: some some beings were able to go back and change

9:42 Speaker 4: the timeline, but they would run the timeline forward to

9:45 Speaker 4: see what would happened, and then they would go back

9:47 Speaker 4: and change it.

9:48 Speaker 3: So he came to believe that the Man in the

9:49 Speaker 3: High Castle.

9:51 Speaker 2: You have great Amazon and Amazon based on a book

9:55 Speaker 2: from Philip K.

9:56 Speaker 4: Dick nineteen sixties, and I think it was his most

9:59 Speaker 4: well known work before Blade Runner, which happened just a

10:03 Speaker 4: few months after he died.

10:05 Speaker 2: But you even get to see the success.

10:06 Speaker 3: You didn't get see the success.

10:07 Speaker 4: But luckily you know, his whole life was a financial

10:10 Speaker 4: struggle made me because of the screenplay, and he bought

10:14 Speaker 4: a house for Tessa uh and her and their.

10:16 Speaker 2: Son, and so okay.

10:19 Speaker 4: She said that he came to believe that was a

10:21 Speaker 4: real timeline, that there was actually a timeline where Germany

10:25 Speaker 4: and Japan won the war, and that timeline was unwound

10:30 Speaker 4: and we are now on a different timeline. That that

10:33 Speaker 4: what that what he wrote in The Man in the

10:35 Speaker 4: High Castle, he said was from fragmentary memories, but then

10:39 Speaker 4: later he said he came to remember that entire timeline.

10:42 Speaker 4: So this gets us into a really weird aspect of time.

10:46 Speaker 4: In a simulated reality, you can run a process forward,

10:50 Speaker 4: but then you can change a variable and you can

10:52 Speaker 4: rerun it. Right now, we're on a timeline which is

10:56 Speaker 4: perhaps what he called the consensus gente of reality. Right,

11:00 Speaker 4: that is different from what he might remember or other

11:03 Speaker 4: people remember this, of course ties.

11:06 Speaker 3: But but before we get to the mental heal effect,

11:08 Speaker 3: I just want.

11:09 Speaker 4: To finish up this idea that he also said to Tessa,

11:13 Speaker 4: And she told me that these beings whoever they are,

11:16 Speaker 4: claim they prevented the jfk assassination in Dallas, but then

11:21 Speaker 4: he got assassinated in Orlando, and then in the next

11:23 Speaker 4: time and the next timeline he got assassinated somewhere else,

11:27 Speaker 4: or it led to a bad outcome like a nuclear war.

11:30 Speaker 1: So every time, every time they changed it, it would

11:36 Speaker 1: they could time was fighting back.

11:38 Speaker 4: Yeah, or not so much as fighting back. That sounds

11:41 Speaker 4: like the plot of that show based out of Stephen

11:44 Speaker 4: King novel. Oh right, right, yeah in three Yeah, yeah,

11:48 Speaker 4: it was that he was assassinated, but it was more

11:51 Speaker 4: like they tried it out and they didn't like the outcome,

11:54 Speaker 4: so they're like, Okay, let's go back and now let's

11:56 Speaker 4: go down this particular britage. And so is it possible

12:00 Speaker 4: this happened to me in my life as well? This

12:02 Speaker 4: is why I was keying into your point, not just

12:04 Speaker 4: that you'd seen the ORB, but I know you talk

12:06 Speaker 4: about your pot, but that that set you on a

12:08 Speaker 4: certain path.

12:09 Speaker 2: And diverted me completely.

12:12 Speaker 4: So I was at the height of my success in

12:13 Speaker 4: Silicon pality, and you know, I was running a startup

12:17 Speaker 4: program here at MIT or you just institution, and during

12:22 Speaker 4: that time I had a personal tragedy. It was I

12:25 Speaker 4: had to have heart surgery and I ended up going

12:28 Speaker 4: into just before I was supposed to finish this program

12:30 Speaker 4: and present.

12:31 Speaker 3: All these people.

12:32 Speaker 4: And as I was recovering, I had a series of visions,

12:36 Speaker 4: and the visions basically said to me, and just to

12:40 Speaker 4: go back, if you had asked me in high school

12:42 Speaker 4: what am I going to do in my life? I said, well,

12:43 Speaker 4: I'm going to be a software entrepreneur, that I'm going

12:45 Speaker 4: to be a writer. And I just had this knowing,

12:48 Speaker 4: like how did I know? That? That was just annoying,

12:50 Speaker 4: And so I got clearly as I was recovering from

12:54 Speaker 4: the surgery, which took me many months.

12:56 Speaker 1: By the way, yeah it's heart surgery. Is not thing

13:00 Speaker 1: you Just six years later and I'm still recovering, right, But.

13:05 Speaker 4: During that time, the message came back to me. I

13:07 Speaker 4: had a series of visions, and the message was very

13:09 Speaker 4: clear to me that, hey, you had a story. The

13:11 Speaker 4: first part of your story was you were going to

13:12 Speaker 4: be an entrepreneur, and the second part of your story

13:15 Speaker 4: is you're going to be a writer. But meanwhile, you're

13:17 Speaker 4: spending all your time in Silicon Valley trying to raise

13:20 Speaker 4: a big BC fund, going to the next billion dollar fund,

13:23 Speaker 4: trying to be the next market recent er whoever, and said,

13:26 Speaker 4: that's not your story. That's not why you're here. And

13:29 Speaker 4: then after when I was recovering, every time I tried

13:32 Speaker 4: to jump back into Silicon Valley and do a business,

13:36 Speaker 4: I would end up back in the hospital right right

13:38 Speaker 4: here in Cambridge, Massachusetts. And I ended up having additional stance,

13:42 Speaker 4: but that they helped you a while to recover. But

13:44 Speaker 4: I had just enough energy every day to take a

13:47 Speaker 4: cab to the local Starbucks at the Cambridge Eide Gallery

13:50 Speaker 4: and mall, and I would write for a couple hours

13:52 Speaker 4: each day. And I finished two books in the nine

13:54 Speaker 4: months that I was recovering. And one of the books

13:56 Speaker 4: that I wrote was the first edition of The Stimulationship Oficis,

14:00 Speaker 4: which went on to become a best selling book. And

14:01 Speaker 4: of course now I have the new addition out, which

14:03 Speaker 4: is all about AI. But I think the point that

14:07 Speaker 4: I'm trying to make is for me, there were multiple paths,

14:11 Speaker 4: and it was something that appeared to be your personal

14:13 Speaker 4: tragedy actually forced me onto another path. And that might

14:17 Speaker 4: have been the story along the path that I was

14:20 Speaker 4: meant to be on, but because my conscious self.

14:24 Speaker 2: Was trying to divert kept.

14:25 Speaker 4: Trying to get caught up. It was in what I

14:28 Speaker 4: call NPC mode and PC mode is when you're just

14:31 Speaker 4: based on your conditioning. You're reacting, and if you spend

14:34 Speaker 4: a lot of time in Silicon Valley, you get conditioned

14:36 Speaker 4: to think of.

14:36 Speaker 3: Now you made one million dollars and you have to

14:38 Speaker 3: make five.

14:38 Speaker 4: You made five, you have to make ten, you made ten.

14:40 Speaker 4: You have to start a company that sells for a

14:42 Speaker 4: million dollars.

14:43 Speaker 3: In Hollywood, I'm sure there's a similar conditioning.

14:46 Speaker 2: And then I left New York.

14:47 Speaker 4: That's why you left right in New York too. You

14:50 Speaker 4: see that with the finance.

14:51 Speaker 2: Industry that's too much.

14:52 Speaker 4: There's just a certain conditioning that happens. It happens to

14:55 Speaker 4: all of us in wherever we grow up religions. But

15:00 Speaker 4: but in this case, it was, you know, talking more

15:01 Speaker 4: about professional stuff, what do I do in my career

15:04 Speaker 4: and as opposed to what my soul wanted me to do,

15:09 Speaker 4: which I like to say was the storyline that I

15:12 Speaker 4: had laid out for myself. I was like, you've spent

15:14 Speaker 4: plenty of time on this part, and that's good. That

15:15 Speaker 4: was part of your storyline. It's not like that was

15:17 Speaker 4: a waste, but now you should be doing this. And

15:20 Speaker 4: that's when I switched my focus to being more of

15:23 Speaker 4: a writer, and I went back into.

15:24 Speaker 2: Academia and now the best selling you know, so it's.

15:27 Speaker 4: Probably what I'll be remembered for at this point, but

15:30 Speaker 4: it's self so brought together the.

15:31 Speaker 3: Rest of my life.

15:32 Speaker 4: So is it possible that some part of me saw

15:35 Speaker 4: what would happen if I went the other way versus

15:39 Speaker 4: this way, and said this way is important? And unfortunately,

15:44 Speaker 4: we're gonna have to do this thing that seems like

15:46 Speaker 4: a bad thing to you, which.

15:47 Speaker 1: Is a physical ailment that's going to require it's.

15:51 Speaker 4: Literally going to require and laying on a couch for

15:53 Speaker 4: months and months and months, but it's going to set

15:56 Speaker 4: you on the.

15:56 Speaker 1: Right path, which it did because you'll be thinking and

16:00 Speaker 1: you'll be thinking about existential stuff. I'm sure you know,

16:03 Speaker 1: because it's heart surgery. I'm sure there was some like

16:08 Speaker 1: this might not go right. Oh yeah, you know what

16:10 Speaker 1: I mean, like this.

16:11 Speaker 3: If I only have a few years left, what do you.

16:14 Speaker 2: Want to do?

16:16 Speaker 4: Books that I want?

16:17 Speaker 1: It's amazing and I had read some books before.

16:19 Speaker 2: Were you scared of death?

16:21 Speaker 3: Yeah?

16:21 Speaker 4: I'm sure you know. I didn't know how long I had,

16:24 Speaker 4: especially since after the surgery. The doctors couldn't explain to

16:27 Speaker 4: me what was wrong, because that's when it hurts. It hurts, fine,

16:31 Speaker 4: we don't know what's going on. I don't have any energy.

16:34 Speaker 4: Your hurt's fine, we don't know what's going on. So

16:35 Speaker 4: I had to go with alternative medicine. But at the

16:39 Speaker 4: same time, it did, you know, it got me in

16:42 Speaker 4: that mode where I had written two books in nine years.

16:44 Speaker 4: Here I wrote two books in nine bods book from

16:49 Speaker 4: the startup.

16:50 Speaker 3: But anyway, that I think is an interesting play on.

16:53 Speaker 4: This idea of the see relation in the video game,

16:55 Speaker 4: which is there's a purpose to the things that might

16:59 Speaker 4: happen to us.

16:59 Speaker 1: Again, Yeah, it circles back to what you know. The

17:03 Speaker 1: I think is the third question I asked is if

17:05 Speaker 1: we found out tomorrow it is a simulation.

17:07 Speaker 2: What what does it change?

17:09 Speaker 1: It doesn't and people are looking at it the wrong way,

17:12 Speaker 1: right because and in your case, in my case, you know,

17:18 Speaker 1: I think we're right where we're supposed to be, right

17:20 Speaker 1: where we were always determined to, like this was the

17:23 Speaker 1: road and and.

17:25 Speaker 3: If we were going to be on it, we might

17:26 Speaker 3: have needed.

17:27 Speaker 5: A correct It's kind of like in the hung Yeah,

17:31 Speaker 5: no one, no one has accused this world of being

17:33 Speaker 5: all joy, your ceaseless joy is not.

17:37 Speaker 3: The nature world. But in the under games when they

17:39 Speaker 3: were playing, they.

17:40 Speaker 4: Would send them something, right, a balloon or something I

17:43 Speaker 4: forget and it would drop down.

17:46 Speaker 3: And it's almost like part.

17:47 Speaker 4: Of us care package is sending us something that will

17:51 Speaker 4: set us in a different direction.

17:52 Speaker 2: It's amazing, amazing.

17:54 Speaker 1: I wanted to Obviously, this is total disclosure, right, so

17:58 Speaker 1: I don't think I can get a without asking about UFOs.

18:03 Speaker 1: Could UFOs or non human intelligences be trying to wake

18:07 Speaker 1: us up to the truth, nudging us to realize we're

18:12 Speaker 1: in something artificial or controlled.

18:16 Speaker 4: Itself.

18:17 Speaker 3: It's very complicated, as you know. I'm sure you've talked to.

18:21 Speaker 4: People who have experienced different aspects of and you know

18:26 Speaker 4: this goes from all the way from orbs, which often

18:30 Speaker 4: seem to have some type of spiritual proponent, to physical

18:33 Speaker 4: craft with physical beings on them that make them up

18:37 Speaker 4: to everything in between, which is what's interesting, right I was,

18:42 Speaker 4: you know, I spent some time with Jaques Ballet. He

18:45 Speaker 4: he wrote a nice hole for me for the French

18:48 Speaker 4: edition of this book in French, uh, and he's I'm

18:54 Speaker 4: thinking on the intersection of these two things, both both

18:56 Speaker 4: Jaques Ballet and Gary Nolan from Stanford and obvious too.

19:00 Speaker 3: You know I actually worked with the project.

19:02 Speaker 2: Yeah, all these very very.

19:05 Speaker 1: Like very very yeah, yeah, exactly, yeah, where Jacques is

19:13 Speaker 1: more into that, you know, he is bringing that, like

19:17 Speaker 1: you know, the technology element to it, but also like

19:21 Speaker 1: you know, the the stories and cultural elements. Yes, yes,

19:27 Speaker 1: exactly from the names only changed throughout time, right aliens

19:31 Speaker 1: are fairies were then?

19:33 Speaker 4: And yeah. So but he told me a story and

19:37 Speaker 4: you know, I talked about it a little bit on

19:38 Speaker 4: some podcasts, but not that much. But he told me

19:40 Speaker 4: a story where there was a UFO that supposedly landed

19:44 Speaker 4: in a clearing in the redwood trees in like northern

19:47 Speaker 4: California or maybe it was so then Oregon.

19:50 Speaker 3: It was up in the Pacific northwest.

19:52 Speaker 4: And he said that they said the UFO forty five

19:54 Speaker 4: angle and landed and left some marks, and so of

19:57 Speaker 4: course everybody was concerned about remember, but he stayed after

20:01 Speaker 4: all the other investigators had left.

20:03 Speaker 3: And if you know Jacques, he likes to spend some

20:05 Speaker 3: time with.

20:06 Speaker 4: The witnesses and really listen to them and get to

20:09 Speaker 4: know that as people as well. And he said afterwards

20:12 Speaker 4: he said, well, there's one thing I want to know.

20:14 Speaker 4: If it came down at a forty five degree angle,

20:17 Speaker 4: look at those big redwood trees, it would have had

20:19 Speaker 4: to cut through the streets. And they said, yeah, that's

20:22 Speaker 4: exactly what happened, but we didn't want to say that

20:24 Speaker 4: because will sound crazy. So theoretically it came down almost

20:30 Speaker 4: like a hologram.

20:31 Speaker 3: This is my language now, my interpretation.

20:33 Speaker 4: Jock didn't say this right, right, but then it came

20:36 Speaker 4: down and became physical. So that's when you render inside

20:39 Speaker 4: a video game. There's a resin process. Right, if you've

20:42 Speaker 4: ever played a video game and you're on a slow computer,

20:44 Speaker 4: you'll like as parts of the room and you can

20:47 Speaker 4: kind of walk through the walls and stuff. Right, it's there,

20:50 Speaker 4: you snap back, yeah. Yeah. And to me, it resembled

20:54 Speaker 4: as if someone was projecting this into this part of

20:58 Speaker 4: our reality. And there are aspects of UFO claims where

21:04 Speaker 4: the UFOs like I remember one guy was telling me

21:06 Speaker 4: he was out in Joshua tree. He's looking up, it's

21:08 Speaker 4: a bright blue day, there's nothing there, and then suddenly

21:11 Speaker 4: it's almost as if.

21:12 Speaker 3: The craft materialized.

21:14 Speaker 4: Okay, Now, one explanation is it was cloak and going

21:16 Speaker 4: science fiction.

21:17 Speaker 3: Another explanation is that it was being projected to this

21:20 Speaker 3: part of.

21:20 Speaker 1: The physical universe, right, And in.

21:23 Speaker 4: Video games we do that all the time. How do

21:25 Speaker 4: you get from point A to point B? You can walk,

21:28 Speaker 4: but oftentimes you just simply disappear and your portal and

21:33 Speaker 4: then you appear in the other scene. You give it

21:35 Speaker 4: the x Y coordin it's where you want to go exactly,

21:37 Speaker 4: and then your avatar and your sponds responds at that

21:41 Speaker 4: point in the in the physical world. Right, And so

21:44 Speaker 4: is it possible that the craft are being projected into

21:48 Speaker 4: this world. That's not to say they could also be

21:50 Speaker 4: extra trustrial, But there is an overlap between simulation theory

21:55 Speaker 4: and the UFO space.

21:57 Speaker 3: And it gets down to this idea that at what is.

22:01 Speaker 4: Physical then seems to become non physical, and then it

22:03 Speaker 4: becomes physical again. And and that's one one element.

22:09 Speaker 3: Of that, right of where the overlap is between us.

22:12 Speaker 2: Right, And so do you think that.

22:17 Speaker 1: Experiencers and abductees and contact these could be interacting with

22:23 Speaker 1: maybe the admin admin layer or developers in the simulation

22:27 Speaker 1: It could be or it could be even the interacting

22:30 Speaker 1: with others, or they could be simulation themselves in the

22:34 Speaker 1: simulation themselves.

22:35 Speaker 3: They could be projecting into.

22:36 Speaker 2: Our simulation, right or you know.

22:40 Speaker 4: We talked about Jock's theory about the different names of

22:43 Speaker 4: these beings over time. And in the Middle East, you know,

22:46 Speaker 4: they have these beings called the Gym.

22:49 Speaker 3: Yes, there's a lot of lore.

22:52 Speaker 4: Uh. And I was talking to a friend of mine

22:54 Speaker 4: who who went to Pakistan recently and the spooked to

22:56 Speaker 4: some Sufi mystic and he was asking about alien abductions,

22:59 Speaker 4: and he said, we have these beings. We have plenty

23:02 Speaker 4: of different beings that have been doing this kind of

23:03 Speaker 4: stuff for you know, thousands.

23:05 Speaker 3: Of years, right, right, So it's it's not.

23:07 Speaker 4: Even something surprising to them, whereas to modern science it's

23:11 Speaker 4: like what the guy came through a wall and he

23:13 Speaker 4: appeared as this little being. But you know, Gary Nolan

23:18 Speaker 4: made an interest in comment recently where he he said,

23:21 Speaker 4: are these beings avatars being controlled by beings that are

23:27 Speaker 4: in this case? I think he was talking about more

23:28 Speaker 4: from the term from the point of view of the

23:30 Speaker 4: movie Avatar, where you have a physical body that's being

23:34 Speaker 4: controlled by somebody else, right right, or it could be AI.

23:38 Speaker 4: But you can also think of that in a virtual sense. Yes,

23:40 Speaker 4: where it's you know, the avatar is being rendered and

23:43 Speaker 4: it's being controlled.

23:44 Speaker 1: From somewhere somewhere else outside of us.

23:47 Speaker 4: Could be outside of the similar, yes, could be from

23:49 Speaker 4: a different part of the yes.

23:51 Speaker 6: Uh.

23:51 Speaker 4: And so I'm very open to those ideas, especially because

23:55 Speaker 4: of the high strange in this element that accompanies these.

23:58 Speaker 4: Another thing that both Gary Nolan and Jack told me

24:00 Speaker 4: about where sightings where one person saw something and the

24:03 Speaker 4: person standing next to them saw something different.

24:06 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's bizarre.

24:07 Speaker 4: It's very bizarre, right, And if we think of UFO

24:10 Speaker 4: simply from the point of view of are the extraterrestrial

24:13 Speaker 4: physical objects that shouldn't happen one person, next person should see.

24:17 Speaker 1: It and no variation, maybe very like you know, I

24:21 Speaker 1: saw from this angle, this angle, but overall should line up.

24:25 Speaker 3: Should line up.

24:26 Speaker 4: But Gary, you know, talks about a case where one person,

24:28 Speaker 4: they were sitting in the car next to each other,

24:29 Speaker 4: one saw a cylinder and one saw.

24:31 Speaker 3: A circular object like enough of a different shape.

24:35 Speaker 4: And to me, that again sounds like if you're in

24:39 Speaker 4: a video game, what happens is that there is no

24:44 Speaker 4: shared rendering, each rendering on our computer.

24:47 Speaker 3: So if you and I are standing in the same field.

24:50 Speaker 4: And let's say you're you know, level thirty wizards, so

24:53 Speaker 4: you have very advanced skills, and on the level two,

24:56 Speaker 4: you know, neophyte, I'm just starting out as a nube.

25:00 Speaker 4: It's possible that you would see the dragon or the

25:03 Speaker 4: you have on your screen and say, there it is,

25:05 Speaker 4: and I wouldn't see it on mine.

25:07 Speaker 2: Why because we're at different levels.

25:09 Speaker 4: We're different levels. And also that's how the servers. The

25:12 Speaker 4: servers send down information based upon what they know about you.

25:17 Speaker 4: So they know your level two or level thirty and

25:20 Speaker 4: you have that spell and they're like, okay, we want

25:22 Speaker 4: you to see it.

25:23 Speaker 3: We don't want you to see.

25:24 Speaker 4: It right now. And so is there something going on

25:27 Speaker 4: that where we think we're in the same physical reality

25:29 Speaker 4: but we're actually each of us is rendering it on

25:32 Speaker 4: our own quote unquote computers. And I don't necessarily mean

25:35 Speaker 4: like a you know, a three computer. Yeah, by the laptop, right,

25:39 Speaker 4: we're talking about something much more.

25:40 Speaker 1: Comfortix right, you know, and maybe biologic.

25:44 Speaker 3: Where was the matrix render its being rendered inside.

25:46 Speaker 2: The break computer right right?

25:48 Speaker 4: It could be more of a quantum computer computer, which

25:51 Speaker 4: is a whole different type of computer.

25:52 Speaker 2: Yes, it's a whole other episode.

25:56 Speaker 4: There's there's some there's there's enough areas of overlap between

25:59 Speaker 4: simulations theory and UFOs when you think of UFOs not

26:02 Speaker 4: just in terms of are they extraterrestrial, but in terms

26:05 Speaker 4: of what does this reveal.

26:06 Speaker 3: About the nature?

26:08 Speaker 2: Right?

26:09 Speaker 1: And so I'm like really curious about this all of

26:14 Speaker 1: a sudden, Not all of a sudden, but in this context,

26:19 Speaker 1: why do you think that UFOs and nukes are connected?

26:22 Speaker 1: If it's if we are in a simulation, what's the

26:25 Speaker 1: connection there? That's an interest because what are what would

26:29 Speaker 1: the real implications of a nuke going off be if

26:31 Speaker 1: we're in a simulation.

26:33 Speaker 3: Well, okay, think of it again.

26:35 Speaker 4: Let's think of the same phenomenon that we talked about

26:38 Speaker 4: in our lives, right, right, you might go in this direction,

26:42 Speaker 4: but we don't want you to go in that direction.

26:43 Speaker 3: We want to go in this direction.

26:45 Speaker 4: So we're going to put something there to make you

26:47 Speaker 4: go in this direction. Similarly in my life now, think

26:51 Speaker 4: of it as societal. Okay, if at a societal level,

26:56 Speaker 4: the projection has been done forward to say, if you

26:58 Speaker 4: use these nukes, this is what's going to happen. Therefore,

27:02 Speaker 4: we want to tell you there are beings here that

27:04 Speaker 4: can turn them off. So this one and this is

27:07 Speaker 4: just a speculation, of course, of course, but I believe

27:10 Speaker 4: that the connection is they want to know how far

27:14 Speaker 4: along we've come, because this gets back to what is

27:16 Speaker 4: the purpose of the simulation overall? It gets back to

27:20 Speaker 4: why do you play video games?

27:22 Speaker 1: Right?

27:22 Speaker 4: We play video games to have fun, to have experiences

27:25 Speaker 4: that we might not have individually. Right, But then why

27:27 Speaker 4: do we run large scale computer simulations.

27:30 Speaker 1: That we do to see what was predictive outcomes?

27:32 Speaker 2: Yes, we want to.

27:34 Speaker 4: Predict what will happen if we keep on this road.

27:36 Speaker 3: But then let's change some variables, let's go down this other.

27:38 Speaker 4: Role, and what would happen? And now see some variables

27:40 Speaker 4: and go down this other road. And so it's possible.

27:44 Speaker 4: You know, Jacques mentioned this idea of.

27:46 Speaker 3: A control mechanism.

27:47 Speaker 4: Yes, are we being influenced at a societal level right now?

27:52 Speaker 3: It could be because they want to see what we're gonna

27:54 Speaker 3: blow ourselves up?

27:55 Speaker 4: You know.

27:56 Speaker 3: Part of the simulation could be to see if we

27:57 Speaker 3: learn to treat each.

27:58 Speaker 1: Other well right in spite of them, in spite of it, right,

28:02 Speaker 1: having them right there, but choosing this other path, like

28:08 Speaker 1: you know we're not going to go there, we're going

28:11 Speaker 1: and maybe that's the ultimate test, right, annihilation versus like

28:16 Speaker 1: chaos and love right.

28:18 Speaker 3: Right a filter.

28:21 Speaker 6: Hmm, this is great the way of saying it.

28:27 Speaker 2: Science fiction, science fiction, Yes.

28:28 Speaker 3: Especially like the prime directive in Star Trek.

28:30 Speaker 4: Yes, we're sort of pre warp. Civilization is what they've

28:34 Speaker 4: got in Star Treks and these other civilizations, whether it's

28:37 Speaker 4: physical civilizations or it's people watching us from the simulation

28:42 Speaker 4: on a screen saying Okay, we need to influence these guys,

28:46 Speaker 4: but not directly, right, So we're not allowed to directly

28:48 Speaker 4: interfere yet, but we want to nudge.

28:50 Speaker 3: Them along in a certain direction, right.

28:53 Speaker 4: And so there may be something going on, you know,

28:55 Speaker 4: at that that societal influence as well. I think I'm

28:59 Speaker 4: the only guy will say I don't know exactly what's

29:01 Speaker 4: going on. Everybody thinks they know.

29:05 Speaker 1: If if if someone is telling you they know what

29:08 Speaker 1: UFOs are, and and because usually that you know most

29:13 Speaker 1: of the time that's the case. If they have a

29:15 Speaker 1: PayPal link and they're telling you that they have the

29:17 Speaker 1: secrets of the universe, get get the hell out of there.

29:20 Speaker 1: That's my but okay, and funny enough, but I will say.

29:29 Speaker 4: I know what they're not, which is nothing, which is

29:31 Speaker 4: what the scientific community.

29:32 Speaker 1: Wants to right consensus reality between us all in mainstream science.

29:38 Speaker 1: They're so okay, this leads into this question, and we'll

29:43 Speaker 1: wrap up soon, of course, and I'm so thankful for

29:46 Speaker 1: your time. But do you think that there are people

29:50 Speaker 1: now now I'm talking about in simulation characters, right, characters

29:56 Speaker 1: like us who know the truth in government or the

30:01 Speaker 1: deep state, whoever it may be, who could be maybe

30:04 Speaker 1: talking to the simulator and setting up these conditions for

30:09 Speaker 1: the way that they need to be nudged.

30:11 Speaker 3: Okay, Well I'm gonna answer using science fiction.

30:14 Speaker 1: Okay, because again I find like three body problem problem.

30:18 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was going to go back to the thirteenth floor.

30:20 Speaker 1: Okay, Oh good one.

30:21 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we had.

30:23 Speaker 3: Talked about it, yes, earlier.

30:25 Speaker 4: And so for those that haven't seen it, it starts

30:28 Speaker 4: off and then it was released in nineteen ninety nine,

30:31 Speaker 4: so it takes place in nineteen ninety nine, and they

30:32 Speaker 4: have built a simulation of nineteen thirties or forties Los Angeles,

30:37 Speaker 4: and they end up going back in and they end

30:40 Speaker 4: up inhabiting the bodies of the NPCs, so they have

30:45 Speaker 4: characters that are basically NBC's.

30:46 Speaker 3: Living their lives.

30:48 Speaker 4: They look like the main characters, but then there's lots

30:50 Speaker 4: of other people there and they take over that body,

30:53 Speaker 4: so they inhabit the avatar. Right now, we're somewhere in

30:57 Speaker 4: between the RPG and the NPC. Normally an NPC like

31:02 Speaker 4: the like the sims where they're just doing their things,

31:04 Speaker 4: but then the player in this case in habits putting

31:09 Speaker 4: in Like in the matrix, it says if Neil was

31:11 Speaker 4: there doing his thing, and then he plugs into the matrix,

31:14 Speaker 4: and now he takes over that body, and now he

31:17 Speaker 4: knows what's going on outside the simulation as well as

31:20 Speaker 4: inside the simulation.

31:21 Speaker 3: Now, I think that's possible. One of the things they did.

31:24 Speaker 4: In that film. I don't remember it was in the film,

31:27 Speaker 4: but it was in the book, the book that the

31:29 Speaker 4: film is based.

31:30 Speaker 1: On based on, Yeah, which a lot of people don't

31:32 Speaker 1: know that it's based on a book.

31:34 Speaker 4: In fact, one of the things that happens is there's

31:36 Speaker 4: a bartender there inside the nineteen thirties version of LA Right.

31:41 Speaker 4: First of all, he reads this note that wasn't meant

31:44 Speaker 4: for him, it was meant for another player, and he

31:46 Speaker 4: figures out that he's in the simulation.

31:48 Speaker 3: His first reaction is why would they do this to us?

31:50 Speaker 4: You know? But then eventually he tries to get out

31:52 Speaker 4: of the simulation. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but there were there

31:55 Speaker 4: were characters that knew they were in the simulation, and

31:58 Speaker 4: they were reporting back to the simulators what was happening.

32:03 Speaker 4: Now does that happening with UFOs? I think there's certainly

32:06 Speaker 4: people in government programs who know much more than the public,

32:11 Speaker 4: like they know at least that. For example, I'm ninety

32:14 Speaker 4: five percent sure there have been reverse engineering programs, right

32:17 Speaker 4: because I've talked to enough people that have said, you know,

32:21 Speaker 4: whether it's Lockheed Aerospace Corporate, one.

32:23 Speaker 1: Of these, Northrop eng all of.

32:25 Speaker 4: Them the standard names, and at least one of those

32:28 Speaker 4: I have, you know, some real company.

32:30 Speaker 1: Yeah me, yeah, me too, Yes, well not that far,

32:33 Speaker 1: but yeah.

32:34 Speaker 4: So, And I don't want to get too much into

32:36 Speaker 4: which one, but let's just say one of those definitely had.

32:39 Speaker 3: The question is what was it.

32:42 Speaker 2: That they were reverse engineering?

32:43 Speaker 4: First engineering? That is something that I think, you know,

32:47 Speaker 4: people have speculated on, and some people might think they know, but.

32:50 Speaker 3: Others don't know.

32:52 Speaker 4: That's the big mystery with the UFO phenomenon is right,

32:54 Speaker 4: what's going on exactly?

32:56 Speaker 3: What is this revealing to us about reality?

32:59 Speaker 4: The fact that we at these as spaceships, I think

33:02 Speaker 4: is a key part of where we are technological.

33:04 Speaker 1: I was gonna say, it's a reflection of if you

33:06 Speaker 1: go by Jacques what Jacques Lay is saying, it's kind

33:09 Speaker 1: of a reflection of your of what's right on the

33:14 Speaker 1: edge of the prefaces of your capability societally. So you know,

33:21 Speaker 1: fairies to god, Well, no, because that wouldn't really make sense.

33:25 Speaker 3: But airships, So if you look at.

33:26 Speaker 1: That, I wouldna say the airship sightings eighteens.

33:29 Speaker 4: Yeah, they were, you know, slightly more advanced than where

33:32 Speaker 4: we had gotten, right, and then we started to see

33:34 Speaker 4: not just orbs, we started to see these flying discs, yes,

33:38 Speaker 4: which is a different technology than we're using. Uh and

33:42 Speaker 4: you know, nurishing, tick tacks and other other types of things.

33:45 Speaker 4: So are they trying to nudge so long? But we're

33:47 Speaker 4: also interpreting it a certain way. It's kind of like

33:50 Speaker 4: in the nineteen fifties, right, if you look at both

33:52 Speaker 4: the science fiction and the narratives, what would they what

33:55 Speaker 4: do they say? Mars attacks? You know, right, they're from Mars,

34:00 Speaker 4: or they're from Venus. If you talk to like the

34:02 Speaker 4: contact Ease in the fifties, they.

34:05 Speaker 2: Were Georgia Damski.

34:06 Speaker 4: Yeah, all those guys, Right, they're literally being told they're

34:09 Speaker 4: from Venus.

34:10 Speaker 3: Now they're probably not from Venus now.

34:12 Speaker 2: Right, say it just would make no sense.

34:14 Speaker 4: Yeah, imagine you're the you're there, you're the not the

34:19 Speaker 4: contact d with the contact or you're the alien or

34:22 Speaker 4: the being that's trying to talk to somebody. In the fifties,

34:26 Speaker 4: they're asking you where you're from. What do you tell them?

34:29 Speaker 1: You can't say you're from an exoplanet that they don't

34:31 Speaker 1: know about.

34:31 Speaker 4: The exle planets, right, they can't say you're from another dimension.

34:35 Speaker 4: They have noise, they.

34:35 Speaker 2: Don't understand it.

34:36 Speaker 4: So those holy shit, we're from Mars. So now they'll

34:40 Speaker 4: say we're extraterrestrial. Because I call it the ten year

34:43 Speaker 4: old test. There's a certain amount of knowledge that passes

34:46 Speaker 4: the ten year old test. Now, if you go back

34:47 Speaker 4: to the eighteen hundreds, people didn't even know about other

34:50 Speaker 4: solar systems, let alone other planets. So but by nineteen

34:55 Speaker 4: thirty nine, where was Superman from? Right, we have a

34:58 Speaker 4: Superman movie out now Krypton wear a scripton Oh it's

35:01 Speaker 4: another planet in the galaxy. Even a ten year old

35:03 Speaker 4: would say, okay, I accept that, right because there was

35:06 Speaker 4: enough knowledge. You know, there's a there's a relationship between

35:09 Speaker 4: science and science fiction, which is why it's called science fiction. Yes,

35:13 Speaker 4: where it's trying to communicate these ideas, and when the

35:16 Speaker 4: ideas get out there enough, then you can have you know,

35:19 Speaker 4: interesting fiction that is accepted. You couldn't say that you

35:23 Speaker 4: know you're from another planet, you know, in sixteen hundreds, right, right.

35:28 Speaker 3: Say today, you could say it in the twentieth century.

35:31 Speaker 2: Right.

35:31 Speaker 3: And now the multiverse is the concept that enough people understand.

35:35 Speaker 1: The idea of the multi right multiverse, and.

35:38 Speaker 4: So therefore the superheroes are all you know, multiverse characters.

35:42 Speaker 4: What if the same thing is happening that the writer's

35:45 Speaker 4: room is saying, okay, we have to give these people

35:47 Speaker 4: something that they will accept and at least okay, most

35:51 Speaker 4: scientists today don't accept the reality of UFOs, but the

35:54 Speaker 4: ones that do, they tend to go towards the extraterrestrial hypothesis. Yeah,

35:59 Speaker 4: because that's at least still in our paradigm, right, right,

36:03 Speaker 4: they're here, but at least it's possible.

36:05 Speaker 3: They accept their there's life on other.

36:07 Speaker 1: Planets science statistically, I mean it's.

36:10 Speaker 4: And even most scientists who are against UFOs say yes,

36:12 Speaker 4: probably right. So therefore it's okay to say we're from

36:17 Speaker 4: one of those other planets.

36:18 Speaker 3: Whether they are or not is another question, is an open.

36:21 Speaker 2: Question, right.

36:21 Speaker 1: And then once you bring in like dimensional aspects of it,

36:25 Speaker 1: where most people are right now in the in the

36:28 Speaker 1: UFO community, not on the mainstream.

36:30 Speaker 4: I've written articles for NBC Views on UFOs and have

36:34 Speaker 4: tried to get art right articles for CNN and other places,

36:37 Speaker 4: and you know, there is very much a media filtering

36:43 Speaker 4: going on here where they're like, well, like I wrote

36:46 Speaker 4: an article for NBC News called the government takes UFO Seriously,

36:49 Speaker 4: why doesn't Silicon Valley or academia right? And my point

36:54 Speaker 4: was they should and I said, well, there are other

36:56 Speaker 4: possible explanations beyond it's nothing or it's alien, and they

37:00 Speaker 4: were like, no, no, cut that, we don't have a

37:02 Speaker 4: room for that. That's too complicated for people to understand.

37:05 Speaker 4: So they just they wanted you to say it's alien

37:07 Speaker 4: or it's you know, just a government program and there's

37:09 Speaker 4: nothing behind it. There's no nhi like that is something

37:12 Speaker 4: the public understands, right that if you if you look

37:16 Speaker 4: at the clips, the short clips on the CNN or

37:18 Speaker 4: Fox News, are they aliens or aren't they? That's as

37:21 Speaker 4: far as they're going to go covery now. And then

37:23 Speaker 4: you get the time travel hypothesis, which again is something

37:26 Speaker 4: we can understand because of.

37:27 Speaker 1: Science fiction, right right, So it's it's put again, it's

37:31 Speaker 1: putting it in a framework.

37:33 Speaker 2: Yeah, right, that's.

37:34 Speaker 3: The science fiction.

37:35 Speaker 4: Actually, the cultural elements popular culture restrict our thinking.

37:40 Speaker 3: So for example, Close Encounters that there's got third kind

37:42 Speaker 3: was a huge success.

37:43 Speaker 1: Right, communion was a huge success, huge.

37:46 Speaker 4: But you know when Shaq said, when he went and

37:48 Speaker 4: finally met Steven Spielberg, his one disagreement with him was

37:53 Speaker 4: that these were clearly aliens in the movie. And he

37:56 Speaker 4: still works it's too late to change that. It's too

37:58 Speaker 4: complicated to consider these other possibilities, right, right, And but

38:02 Speaker 4: then so I gave a speech on this at an

38:05 Speaker 4: academic screening of both Encounters. It was interesting because not

38:07 Speaker 4: a lot of people that even realized all the ufon

38:11 Speaker 4: narratives that.

38:11 Speaker 3: Were brought into this film that were based.

38:13 Speaker 1: On really right, it wasn't art influencing because most people think, oh,

38:17 Speaker 1: well we get the archetypal alien from.

38:21 Speaker 2: Close encounters, but close encounters referencing.

38:23 Speaker 1: The actual project blue book files. And he was consulting

38:27 Speaker 1: with Heinek.

38:28 Speaker 6: Himself, so and the French scientists was based on Vallet right, right,

38:32 Speaker 6: And you get.

38:33 Speaker 4: That element where there are all these threads of real

38:37 Speaker 4: world narratives inside closing out. But then it's.

38:39 Speaker 1: Almost like the most expensive documentary. Right, that's true.

38:44 Speaker 4: But then because it was so successful, it's now restricted.

38:48 Speaker 4: A lot of the mainstream thinking too, is it aliens

38:51 Speaker 4: or not aliens?

38:51 Speaker 3: And that's it?

38:53 Speaker 1: Right.

38:54 Speaker 4: Popular media, and not just science fiction, but popular media

38:57 Speaker 4: in general, prepares.

39:01 Speaker 3: People to think certain ways.

39:04 Speaker 1: I think you're on I think you're one hundred percent

39:07 Speaker 1: onto something there that I mean, I think a lot

39:10 Speaker 1: of people would say that, you know, pop culture is

39:15 Speaker 1: it's programming, right, it's conditioning.

39:19 Speaker 4: But it's also trying to then turn around, and it

39:22 Speaker 4: could be unintentional. I'm not saying that Spielberg wanted us

39:24 Speaker 4: to think it's only aliens. It's almost an unintentional level.

39:28 Speaker 4: There may be an intentional level as well. Right, would

39:30 Speaker 4: you get into the relationship between the CIA and Hollywood.

39:33 Speaker 6: That's oh yeah, oh yeah, So I very I encourage

39:39 Speaker 6: people to not only see your lectures that place the

39:41 Speaker 6: contact in the desert, but also, uh like just check

39:45 Speaker 6: you out and all.

39:46 Speaker 1: Your interviews because I think, uh, like I said, I

39:49 Speaker 1: think you're onto something. Everyone else, thank you. This has

39:52 Speaker 1: been total disclosure. Much more to come a vlobe next week,

39:56 Speaker 1: UH is going to be in the chair, so I'm

39:58 Speaker 1: looking forward to that. There's a new interstellar object that

40:03 Speaker 1: entered our our solar system. I wonder what that So

40:07 Speaker 1: these little nudges, right, I think, uh, something to do there,

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