Former NASA Chief Reveals UFO Sighting | Exclusive Interview with Dr. Gregory Rogers

0:12 Speaker 1: Hey everyone, ty Roberts here with Total Disclosure, brought to

0:16 Speaker 1: you by TDP Studios here in lovely Boston. Today we've

0:22 Speaker 1: got something truly special, an exclusive one on one conversation

0:29 Speaker 1: that I had at contact in the desert with none

0:33 Speaker 1: other than NASA's doctor Gregory Rogers. Now, doctor Rogers isn't

0:39 Speaker 1: just anybody. He's the former NAST Chief of Medicine, a

0:43 Speaker 1: chief flight surgeon, and he's flown with some of the

0:47 Speaker 1: greatest pilots in history from our space program. But what

0:51 Speaker 1: makes this story stand out is the day he was

0:55 Speaker 1: shown something that he wasn't supposed to see on a

0:58 Speaker 1: CCTV monitor that changed everything for him. Yes, a UFO,

1:03 Speaker 1: this case is now becoming more widely known, and I

1:08 Speaker 1: was fortunate enough to be a part of his initial

1:11 Speaker 1: decision to come forward, and I am so grateful for that.

1:14 Speaker 1: Today you get to hear the story directly from him

1:18 Speaker 1: in person. He has now been featured on Jesse Michael's

1:21 Speaker 1: Channel story.

1:23 Speaker 2: On the fourth May, Josh Boswell came out with an

1:31 Speaker 2: interview from the UK Daily Mail, and then ty Roberts

1:37 Speaker 2: came up with one for both the International UFO Bureau

1:44 Speaker 2: and also.

1:45 Speaker 3: For Total disclosure. It's part of both of those, you know.

1:52 Speaker 3: I need to say that I am on the board

1:54 Speaker 3: for the buck.

1:56 Speaker 2: Yeah, Greg, International UFO Bureau, I'm from Oklahoma.

2:00 Speaker 1: I guess what.

2:01 Speaker 3: It's head quartered in a plumb of city. Yeah, so

2:04 Speaker 3: that comes out here. And Andrew, were you in the

2:07 Speaker 3: UFOs before the sighting at all?

2:10 Speaker 1: Coast to Coast and a plethora of other large platforms.

2:15 Speaker 1: I'm so glad that I'm able to call him not

2:19 Speaker 1: just a colleague, but a friend and part of the family. Judy,

2:23 Speaker 1: that means you as well. We have so much more

2:25 Speaker 1: in the works with doctor Rogers on this channel, but

2:29 Speaker 1: today's episode is an insight into who doctor Rogers is

2:36 Speaker 1: and what makes him a credible witness in the first place,

2:39 Speaker 1: what makes his story so important. I do also want

2:45 Speaker 1: to address something in this episode. I do mention the

2:49 Speaker 1: International UFO Bureau and how I was at the time

2:54 Speaker 1: the chief marketing officer. This is no longer a true statement.

2:59 Speaker 1: I have my but I have left the organization and

3:03 Speaker 1: truly I wish the best for them in the future,

3:07 Speaker 1: especially in UFO reporting and UFO investigation efforts. It has

3:12 Speaker 1: the chance to be something special as long as they

3:16 Speaker 1: work with the right people. Apart from that, this episode

3:20 Speaker 1: was edited by Carie Lindsey. Their links are in the

3:24 Speaker 1: description of this video, as well as all other relevant links.

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3:55 Speaker 1: and a large broader audience. All right, guys, let's get

4:00 Speaker 1: into it. This is NASA whistleblower doctor Gregory Rogers. You're

4:05 Speaker 1: not going to forget this one. Let's go. I'll see

4:07 Speaker 1: you on the other side. Hello everyone, we are here

4:16 Speaker 1: at Contact to the Desert twenty twenty five event Horizon

4:21 Speaker 1: and I am representing not only Till the Disclosure the

4:25 Speaker 1: International UFO Bureau as a chief marketing officer. We did

4:30 Speaker 1: an episode recently with a whistleblower who has come forward

4:35 Speaker 1: after retiring from the well, from NASA, from the DoD,

4:41 Speaker 1: from government in general. Doctor Gregory Rodgers. Thank you so

4:46 Speaker 1: much for coming out to Contact and being a part

4:50 Speaker 1: of this community.

4:50 Speaker 3: Now I've enjoyed it.

4:53 Speaker 1: How has it been How has the reception ben since

4:58 Speaker 1: your story has come out?

5:01 Speaker 3: As far as the people here, I've received very worth

5:08 Speaker 3: worthwhile representation of the thanks that people have because you know,

5:19 Speaker 3: in the United States, we know what is real. We've

5:23 Speaker 3: known what is real for decades, but we still have

5:27 Speaker 3: the government saying, no, you're not smart enough. We're smarter

5:31 Speaker 3: than you, and we're telling you this isn't real. But

5:37 Speaker 3: when the people are hungry to hear what's going on

5:41 Speaker 3: and someone says, okay, look, I'll tell you what's going on,

5:46 Speaker 3: it's been very well received.

5:48 Speaker 1: And do you think that, given the way that your

5:53 Speaker 1: story has been received that do you would you would

5:56 Speaker 1: you say that the world is ready because now, now if

6:00 Speaker 1: the government is saying, if the government in the midlitory

6:02 Speaker 1: are saying, there's nothing to see here, but we know

6:06 Speaker 1: that there is, that means what we're dealing with is

6:09 Speaker 1: something that is paradigm shifting. Do you believe the world

6:13 Speaker 1: is ready for that paradigm shift?

6:16 Speaker 3: Yes, I think we've actually been ready for a while.

6:19 Speaker 3: You know, look at the government. How many years did

6:23 Speaker 3: they say there's nothing a tone upon Nevada there's no

6:28 Speaker 3: area fifty one, there's nothing to see here, and so

6:34 Speaker 3: for decades they'd lied to us, even when you can

6:38 Speaker 3: go on Google Earth and see an Air Force. So

6:44 Speaker 3: this is the kind of mentality that we're dealing with

6:49 Speaker 3: inside the government. You know, I hate to give credit

6:52 Speaker 3: to the Navy, but the Navy has been much more forthcoming.

6:57 Speaker 3: The faighteen videos were a big part part of why

7:01 Speaker 3: I decided to speak up, especially as the evidence was

7:10 Speaker 3: presented before Congress. For the United States Air Force, it's

7:16 Speaker 3: a whole other story. The Air Force is still pretty

7:19 Speaker 3: much not releasing any information whatsoever. So having been in

7:27 Speaker 3: the Air Force, I'm just a little disappointed that the

7:31 Speaker 3: Air Force has chosen to be so reluctant to admit

7:38 Speaker 3: what people know.

7:40 Speaker 1: And I have to ask myself. We know that the

7:45 Speaker 1: Air Force, even their intelligence, they think they're above they

7:50 Speaker 1: Maybe they are, maybe they are the best in the business.

7:53 Speaker 1: Maybe they are, you know, above the CIA, above the FBI,

7:56 Speaker 1: above you know, n say, and maybe they are the

8:00 Speaker 1: best of the best, But they seem to operate under

8:05 Speaker 1: their own guidelines and they do not conform to you know,

8:11 Speaker 1: what Congress is asking or you know, or demanding in

8:15 Speaker 1: a way is we want all the evidence. You have

8:18 Speaker 1: all of it. And the air Force, like you said,

8:21 Speaker 1: has been notoriously quiet, very quiet. Where the Navy has been,

8:27 Speaker 1: you know, pretty vocal. Even Border Patrol is putting videos

8:31 Speaker 1: out there and saying, guys, we don't know what this is.

8:33 Speaker 3: A department of onland security department.

8:36 Speaker 1: And so that it makes me wonder. You know, the

8:41 Speaker 1: quietest person often has the most to say. What I

8:44 Speaker 1: want to go back for people who didn't watch the

8:47 Speaker 1: episode of the Daily Mail or read that article, or

8:51 Speaker 1: watch the episode that we did. I want to walk

8:55 Speaker 1: through what you saw because or what brought you to

8:58 Speaker 1: be a whistleblower, what what that event was, And then

9:02 Speaker 1: I want to dig into why this is a full

9:04 Speaker 1: circle moment because it is included it's the air Force.

9:08 Speaker 3: Yes, well, actually we have to go back to the Navy.

9:14 Speaker 3: Commander Fravor was a highly respected commander of an eighteen

9:23 Speaker 3: squadron and I have nothing but the greatest praise for

9:30 Speaker 3: what he has done. His aircraft and similar aircraft in

9:36 Speaker 3: other settings have all seen and shown heads up display

9:42 Speaker 3: video of what we know are not our aircraft or spacecraft.

9:49 Speaker 3: According to what you want to call it. So I

9:53 Speaker 3: was very impressed with that. In November of twenty three,

10:00 Speaker 3: I was going to I was already planning the lecture

10:03 Speaker 3: I was going to give to the Navy Professional Development

10:06 Speaker 3: Symposium in April of twenty four because I'd done that

10:11 Speaker 3: like seven or eight years in a row. And so

10:16 Speaker 3: I contacted had the commander of the Professional Development Symposium

10:22 Speaker 3: and I said, since the Navy has released information and

10:26 Speaker 3: it is public knowledge, it's declassified. In my lecture, I

10:32 Speaker 3: would like to discuss UAPs and how they relate to

10:38 Speaker 3: the Department Defense and the personnel within the Department of Defense.

10:43 Speaker 3: So after several emails, he gave me authorization to do

10:49 Speaker 3: it as long as it was professional. So once I

10:52 Speaker 3: had the presentation completed, I sent my so I presentation

11:02 Speaker 3: back to the PDS personnel and they approved it.

11:09 Speaker 1: So, now, what is the difference between what you did

11:12 Speaker 1: and say what Grush and others have done with DOOD

11:16 Speaker 1: pre Publication office difference.

11:19 Speaker 3: There's a huge difference. I'm an expert that has lectured

11:26 Speaker 3: on things like introduction to explosives for medical peoples. So

11:33 Speaker 3: I went through what are shaped charges? What what you know?

11:37 Speaker 3: Tn T is trinitro taluine what's the difference between T

11:41 Speaker 3: and T and tritonol. Well, you put a luminum powder

11:45 Speaker 3: in it. As the aluminum burns at a higher temperature,

11:49 Speaker 3: increases what's known as the brazonce or the breaking ability

11:54 Speaker 3: of the detonation warhead. So I gave lectures on all

12:03 Speaker 3: of that stuff. I've given lectures to the PDS about

12:10 Speaker 3: one called entomology one O one. So I was teaching

12:14 Speaker 3: the medical people throughout the Department of Defense. And you

12:18 Speaker 3: know this was observed live, so and then also it

12:23 Speaker 3: was taped and people could watch it later. So people

12:28 Speaker 3: who were stationed in Okinawa or anywhere they watch anywhere

12:36 Speaker 3: in the world. They were in there, and you know,

12:41 Speaker 3: I would have a lot of the lectures didn't do

12:46 Speaker 3: so well, and they'd have like twenty people watching it,

12:49 Speaker 3: but I would always have like at least one hundred

12:53 Speaker 3: and fifty watching mine. And then a couple of the

12:58 Speaker 3: videos that I made were felt to be of such

13:02 Speaker 3: high quality the Navy contacted me and said, would you

13:09 Speaker 3: release all claim to this because we want to use

13:12 Speaker 3: it in training our personnel. So this is the quality

13:17 Speaker 3: of work I had produced for several years. So when

13:21 Speaker 3: I was planning my lecture in twenty twenty four. I

13:26 Speaker 3: wanted to speak about UAPs, so I got authorization to

13:31 Speaker 3: do it, and then just to make sure, I sent

13:34 Speaker 3: the slide deck to the public affairs officer at Fort

13:42 Speaker 3: Seu in Oklahoma and also the Mcowister Army Ammunition Plant,

13:47 Speaker 3: and so I have written authorization from both of them

13:51 Speaker 3: that this lecture is suitable. I actually gave an official

13:57 Speaker 3: lecture to the Department of Defense with authorization by the

14:02 Speaker 3: Department of Defense, to talk about the effect of UAPs

14:06 Speaker 3: and to give guidelines on how medical people should interview

14:15 Speaker 3: people who had witnessed UAPs, and so that was my lecture,

14:20 Speaker 3: and so the last fifteen or twenty minutes was all

14:24 Speaker 3: about UAPs and how we need to treat people who

14:29 Speaker 3: have seen UAPs, which would include our pilots, our personnel.

14:35 Speaker 3: So I gave an authorized lecture to the Department of

14:40 Speaker 3: Defense about UAPs.

14:42 Speaker 1: So do you now if they're using this for training?

14:46 Speaker 1: I mean, we have to assume that they want these

14:53 Speaker 1: The quality of your work, it speaks for itself and

14:55 Speaker 1: who you are as you know, as the former chief

14:58 Speaker 1: of Aerospace Medicine, surgeon and nature and ability and now

15:04 Speaker 1: you're talking about, you know, what, how to approach as

15:07 Speaker 1: a medical professional, a pilot or someone in the service

15:11 Speaker 1: who has either come in contact seen a UFO. So

15:15 Speaker 1: how to approach that is basic essentially.

15:17 Speaker 3: Yes. In fact, the first part of the lecture was

15:23 Speaker 3: keys to observation. For instance, if we have someone who

15:30 Speaker 3: is observing an event, what are the kinds of visual

15:36 Speaker 3: effects that can cause them to get confused about what

15:40 Speaker 3: they're seeing. So most of the lecture was about all

15:44 Speaker 3: this kind of stuff. I didn't include lecture for the

15:51 Speaker 3: military dealing with drones and how they operate, but of

15:55 Speaker 3: course I can't discuss that of course. And then in fact,

16:01 Speaker 3: this year's have you ever heard of COSPAS or SARSAT?

16:06 Speaker 1: Is that the latter?

16:07 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, well, the SARSAT is the American version of

16:10 Speaker 3: COSPAS is the Russian version which started first. But in

16:16 Speaker 3: the meantime, France, England, I believe, Japan, and China have

16:20 Speaker 3: all gotten together with this. We started with lower th

16:25 Speaker 3: orbit satellites and so as a satellite passed over, it

16:29 Speaker 3: could see a beacon, and so at first they were

16:35 Speaker 3: using different kinds of frequencies, and so we've now gone

16:38 Speaker 3: to four hundred and five megaherts and as the satellite

16:44 Speaker 3: goes by it is it will be looking for four

16:48 Speaker 3: or five megaherts as the beacon as the beacon. But

16:52 Speaker 3: the problem is that lower th orbit satellites can see

16:56 Speaker 3: real clearly where somebody's at, but only at the timeframe

17:00 Speaker 3: that it's over. So when there were only a few satellites,

17:06 Speaker 3: they might have to pass six times before they would

17:09 Speaker 3: finally see the location. So what they did was they

17:14 Speaker 3: started hooking up the four h six megahart attenuators to

17:19 Speaker 3: the geostationary satellites. But the thing is, geostationary satellites can

17:24 Speaker 3: see half of the world at the time, but they

17:29 Speaker 3: didn't have the detail to say, okay, they're located right here.

17:34 Speaker 3: So what we've done now is gone to the mem

17:36 Speaker 3: R satellites, the medium orbit or satellites, and so we've

17:46 Speaker 3: already got a bunch of them up. There's going to

17:47 Speaker 3: be thirty four of them. And because they have continuous

17:55 Speaker 3: surveillance of the world. If you're in a boat that

17:58 Speaker 3: sinks in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean, if you're

18:04 Speaker 3: climbing a mountain in the deserts of Utah, you know,

18:11 Speaker 3: if somebody disappeared it was hard to find him. It's

18:14 Speaker 3: always has been. So I've done a number of search

18:17 Speaker 3: and rescue missions where we had to spend a lot

18:21 Speaker 3: of efforts to try to find the people. Well, if

18:25 Speaker 3: you if you have one of these transmitters, you have

18:28 Speaker 3: to register it and you give your name, your address,

18:36 Speaker 3: your telephone number. You also give contact personnel and their

18:41 Speaker 3: telephone numbers. Now, then say the boat sinks, you initiate

18:48 Speaker 3: the four or five megahartz beacon and within two seconds

18:56 Speaker 3: you're going to be spotted to within ten meters. Within

19:00 Speaker 3: thirty minutes, you'll be spotted to within two meters. Now

19:04 Speaker 3: then they it will also say, okay, this beacon belongs

19:09 Speaker 3: to Greg Rogers. Here's his address, and here's the telephone

19:14 Speaker 3: numbers that we need to call to notice by his

19:18 Speaker 3: emergency contacts. And we are also transmitting this by satellite

19:25 Speaker 3: to the mission control centers all over the Earth, and

19:30 Speaker 3: so whichever one is closest will immediately send out a

19:35 Speaker 3: rescue team to that location.

19:37 Speaker 1: It's a it's like a global commercial security system.

19:43 Speaker 3: Yes, and so so now you know I'm old enough

19:50 Speaker 3: that I've done lots of search and rescue missions, and

19:52 Speaker 3: so somebody's down and you go into this large pattern

19:59 Speaker 3: that takes you an hour and a half for two

20:01 Speaker 3: hours to complete the pattern, and if they're not in there,

20:04 Speaker 3: you have to go to another sector and do it

20:06 Speaker 3: all over again. So that was the search part of

20:10 Speaker 3: the search and rescue, and the search was always the most.

20:12 Speaker 1: Difficult, difficult.

20:13 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, now you hit the four or five megaherts

20:17 Speaker 3: and we know where you're at, so we don't have

20:20 Speaker 3: to search right now. It's just rescue, right. So this

20:24 Speaker 3: is tech. This is the technology that I just lectured

20:27 Speaker 3: on in April of this year, and that.

20:30 Speaker 1: Cuts a lot of money out of spending on search

20:34 Speaker 1: because search, again is the hardest part. So you've done

20:37 Speaker 1: and you know, I'm glad you told that story because

20:40 Speaker 1: it's just a credit to who you are and what

20:43 Speaker 1: you've done for our country that people would never even expect.

20:47 Speaker 1: You know, you are the nations, uh you know you

20:50 Speaker 1: you are the protector of the men and women and

20:56 Speaker 1: people that left earth to be our national Euros and

21:00 Speaker 1: and all the things. And you're doing all this post

21:05 Speaker 1: having seen what you saw in ninety two. So I

21:08 Speaker 1: want to I want to shift the focus because you're

21:10 Speaker 1: giving these lectures on U APS, you're getting a lot

21:14 Speaker 1: of eyes on it.

21:16 Speaker 3: Let's go back one thing. I even got a letter

21:19 Speaker 3: recommendation from the commander who's said that he had a

21:24 Speaker 3: positive result from it and he enjoyed the lecture.

21:27 Speaker 1: Wow wow's And.

21:30 Speaker 3: The lecture was about u APS, so officially presented to

21:36 Speaker 3: the Department of Defense.

21:39 Speaker 1: And it's really odd. I really want to we could

21:41 Speaker 1: talk about ARROW in a few minutes, because clearly the

21:45 Speaker 1: d ID has more information and more detailed information the

21:51 Speaker 1: ARROW is willing to say out there, and I do

21:55 Speaker 1: want to talk about that. But after so, let's go

21:58 Speaker 1: back to ninety two. Can we recap what happens to

22:00 Speaker 1: you on that day.

22:04 Speaker 3: It was supposed to be just a regular ordinary day.

22:08 Speaker 3: So about once a month I would go up to

22:12 Speaker 3: keep Canaveral from Patrick Air Force Base, where my flight

22:18 Speaker 3: medicine clinic was, and so I would be responsible for

22:24 Speaker 3: contacting the contractors, which was E. G and G. So

22:29 Speaker 3: they were the contractor that ran the operations. Now then

22:34 Speaker 3: like lockeed Martin they're building rockets, Boeing they're building rocket parts,

22:45 Speaker 3: but also satellites, and so there's all these companies doing

22:49 Speaker 3: all of these things. But someone from the Air Force

22:53 Speaker 3: has to oversee what they're doing. So I had a

22:57 Speaker 3: contact with the doctor at E G and G, and

23:02 Speaker 3: so I told him I'm coming out. He was busy,

23:05 Speaker 3: so they had another guy I didn't know take me out,

23:10 Speaker 3: and so I think we went to three buildings that day,

23:14 Speaker 3: and so the third building was the one where this happened.

23:20 Speaker 3: I'd gone into this clean room to see the processing

23:24 Speaker 3: they were doing, and as I was coming out, I

23:27 Speaker 3: had on booties that were non an electrostatic, and you

23:33 Speaker 3: didn't want to carry debris in. So I had a

23:39 Speaker 3: a little hat on, sort of like a surgical cap, right,

23:42 Speaker 3: and I had had a mask on, and so when

23:51 Speaker 3: we came out, you take all this off and dump it,

23:55 Speaker 3: and then I was going to go back to work.

24:00 Speaker 3: So the guy that was escorting me we finished inside there,

24:08 Speaker 3: because he did it all the time, he just swipped

24:11 Speaker 3: it off and he was gone. So I took a

24:13 Speaker 3: little bit longer, so maybe one minute difference. But as

24:18 Speaker 3: I walk out through these double doors, there's this guy

24:22 Speaker 3: standing there, and it turned out he was a fellow major.

24:26 Speaker 3: I was a major at the time, and he was

24:30 Speaker 3: an Air Force officer. Now, I did flight physicals and

24:37 Speaker 3: gave medical care for about eighteen hundred people at that time.

24:41 Speaker 3: So there's no way I can remember every one of

24:44 Speaker 3: the eighteen hundred people, especially if i'd done his flight physical,

24:51 Speaker 3: you know, a year ago. Right.

24:52 Speaker 1: It's easier for your eighteen hundred people to remember you

24:56 Speaker 1: than for you to remember all eighteen hundred people.

24:59 Speaker 3: Especially considering the fact that for a lot of them

25:02 Speaker 3: I held their careers in their hands.

25:06 Speaker 1: Right, that's a dynamic.

25:09 Speaker 3: Just as an example, we had this one kernel and

25:14 Speaker 3: he was on flight status, but he was mainly flying

25:17 Speaker 3: a desk at this point, but he still had to

25:21 Speaker 3: adhere to all of the rules and regulations for flight status. Well,

25:26 Speaker 3: I got a medical record back from a doctor in

25:31 Speaker 3: Melbourne about a treatment he had put my patient on,

25:38 Speaker 3: and it turned out the colonel had not wanted that

25:43 Speaker 3: doctor to communicate with us at all because he had

25:47 Speaker 3: a medical condition which was disqualifying from flight, so he

25:54 Speaker 3: was not going to admit to us what was going on.

25:57 Speaker 3: But as soon as I saw that medical record, I

26:00 Speaker 3: called him in my office. Even though I'm a major,

26:02 Speaker 3: he's a colonel. I had him standing and attention, and

26:07 Speaker 3: I read him the Riot Act and I told you

26:11 Speaker 3: he needed to provide me all the medical records that

26:14 Speaker 3: he had been hiding, and if he didn't do it

26:17 Speaker 3: within ten days, I was turning U into his chain

26:23 Speaker 3: of command and they would be taking administrative action against him.

26:27 Speaker 1: And I want to preface this, and again we'll go

26:31 Speaker 1: full circle with this. You are willing to make that

26:35 Speaker 1: hard call I did. You've had You've had to.

26:38 Speaker 3: He was forced into an early retirement in lieu of

26:42 Speaker 3: court martial.

26:43 Speaker 1: So let's go back. That's a That was a great

26:46 Speaker 1: example because that that it shows that you're you will,

26:50 Speaker 1: you do the right thing, You follow protocol. So when

26:54 Speaker 1: this day happens, you're taking your you're taking your booties

26:57 Speaker 1: and head gear off.

26:58 Speaker 3: Yeah. So I'm walking down there. But let me say

27:03 Speaker 3: this real quick. I once had an argument with the

27:05 Speaker 3: four star general and I won because I was right

27:09 Speaker 3: and he was wrong and the people advising him were

27:13 Speaker 3: wrong and they were giving him bad advice and I

27:16 Speaker 3: was the only person that was telling him the truth. Anyway,

27:21 Speaker 3: going beyond that, as I walked out, there was this guy.

27:28 Speaker 3: He seemed to me to be sort of insecure, and

27:33 Speaker 3: he said, hey, Doc, I want to show you something

27:36 Speaker 3: that you've never seen before, so.

27:38 Speaker 1: You thought he was insecure.

27:39 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he felt insecure, and looking back on

27:44 Speaker 3: it now, I think he was trying to build himself

27:47 Speaker 3: up by showing me how important he was. Well, the

27:52 Speaker 3: only thing is I didn't know what he was doing.

27:54 Speaker 3: So he said, I need to show you something. So

27:58 Speaker 3: I stepped into the office. There there were windows and

28:02 Speaker 3: then a door, and so he shut the door, locked it,

28:06 Speaker 3: and then he closed the little louver mini blinds on

28:10 Speaker 3: the door and then also on the curtains.

28:12 Speaker 1: So was this common to do?

28:16 Speaker 3: Not as far as I was concerned, I thought, what

28:20 Speaker 3: what is going on here? What's the guy up to?

28:23 Speaker 3: And like I said, I already had some concerns about

28:30 Speaker 3: him being because of the way he was behaving. Uh,

28:35 Speaker 3: And I said, uh, you know, what are you doing?

28:38 Speaker 3: He said, I got to show you something. This is

28:40 Speaker 3: going to knock your stocks off. So he sat down

28:45 Speaker 3: at the computer station and did whatever he needed to

28:51 Speaker 3: do to bring up this video. Because I don't know

28:53 Speaker 3: if it was a file, whether he was cooking into

28:56 Speaker 3: another location or or what. But all of a sudden

29:00 Speaker 3: that the screen came up, and so he moved to

29:03 Speaker 3: the chair right next to it, to the left and

29:07 Speaker 3: had me sit down in his chair. So I'm looking

29:09 Speaker 3: at this video screen, and it looks like a typical hanger.

29:16 Speaker 1: Uh, an air force hanger.

29:18 Speaker 3: Yeah, it could have been an air Force hangar, could

29:20 Speaker 3: have been a marine hanger, Navy hanger. Yeah, it was

29:25 Speaker 3: absolutely typical. But what was in the hangar was not typical.

29:32 Speaker 3: Because I'm sitting there and I look at it and

29:36 Speaker 3: it's a flying saucer.

29:39 Speaker 1: Is that the best way you could describe it.

29:41 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what it was. You know, I know spacecraft, I.

29:47 Speaker 1: This was it.

29:48 Speaker 3: I had a lot of training from the Air Force

29:52 Speaker 3: and NASA. You know, I know what spacecraft looked like.

29:56 Speaker 3: I know what artig's looked like, radio isotope, thermal electric generators.

30:02 Speaker 3: I knew about the inertial upper stages that we would

30:08 Speaker 3: launch higher altitude or geosynchronous satellites out of this space Shuttle,

30:15 Speaker 3: and this was nothing like that. It was a flying saucer.

30:20 Speaker 3: I mean there's no interpretation needed. You know, like if

30:24 Speaker 3: you said, I see a GMC pickup, Well, how do

30:29 Speaker 3: you know it's a GMC pickup, Well, it says GMC

30:32 Speaker 3: and it's a pickup. Yes, So I look at this,

30:35 Speaker 3: it's a flying saucer. So you know, that really surprised me.

30:41 Speaker 3: So I made a comment to him about, you know,

30:45 Speaker 3: why on Earth would we design something like this, and

30:49 Speaker 3: you know, he didn't really give an answer that I

30:52 Speaker 3: recall anyway, And then I said, well where did we

30:56 Speaker 3: get it? And he did this, He said, we got

30:59 Speaker 3: it from them, from them, from them, So that obviously

31:05 Speaker 3: meant outer space, so it had to it had to

31:11 Speaker 3: be a vehicle not made by human intelligence or the design.

31:19 Speaker 3: The design was now that we designed this one based

31:24 Speaker 3: on something else, is what I believe.

31:26 Speaker 1: So he's saying that we either got it from the

31:29 Speaker 1: gods or we got it from a non human intelligence.

31:35 Speaker 3: Yes, well God would be a non human intelligence, so

31:41 Speaker 3: we know for sure it was a non human intelligence.

31:44 Speaker 1: Right.

31:45 Speaker 3: This was not anything that I was familiar with in

31:50 Speaker 3: the way, shape or form, and I knew the aircraft.

31:54 Speaker 1: So was it was it held up by a crane?

31:59 Speaker 3: No, it was actually just sitting on this floor. It

32:04 Speaker 3: looked like it was a concrete floor with some sort

32:07 Speaker 3: of protective surface on it and it's just sitting there.

32:13 Speaker 3: So over to the left there were two guys that

32:17 Speaker 3: were in lab coats, so I assumed they were engineers.

32:21 Speaker 3: There were three guys over on the right side, and

32:23 Speaker 3: they were walking around, you know, enclosed in tibek suits

32:29 Speaker 3: is what I would call it today.

32:31 Speaker 4: So I clean room potentially, yes, Well, these technicians were

32:40 Speaker 4: obviously working with something that you don't want dust, you

32:44 Speaker 4: don't want their.

32:44 Speaker 3: Hair falling out, you don't want parts of your clothing,

32:52 Speaker 3: the threads from your clothing getting on it, any kind

32:56 Speaker 3: of thing like that. Well, just very shortly after it started,

33:03 Speaker 3: there was a warning sound that came up, and so

33:08 Speaker 3: the two engineers went this way, the technicians went that way,

33:12 Speaker 3: and then it's just sitting there.

33:14 Speaker 1: So the video had audio, Yeah, it had audio. So

33:20 Speaker 1: this wasn't just closed caption like oh, court security.

33:24 Speaker 3: For what I would say was I was primarily flying

33:30 Speaker 3: with the forty first Air Rescue Squadron at that time,

33:32 Speaker 3: and we had h three helicopters. If you hooked up

33:36 Speaker 3: a camera pointing at one of our helicopters in our

33:41 Speaker 3: hangar and you had a clear closed circuit view of

33:48 Speaker 3: that helicopter, that's exactly what I was seeing, except that

33:52 Speaker 3: it wasn't a helicopter. It was a flying saucer. And

33:57 Speaker 3: now then several minutes after everybody disappeared, it started giving

34:06 Speaker 3: off these sounds and uh what I took as signatures

34:14 Speaker 3: of electromagnetic discharge discharges. But you know, I want to

34:21 Speaker 3: be careful. I don't want to say anything about what

34:26 Speaker 3: it was or how it specifically acted because I don't know.

34:31 Speaker 3: But what that craft, or more advanced craft still using

34:36 Speaker 3: the same technology would be within the Air Force inventory,

34:42 Speaker 3: So I I do not want to disclose anything that

34:47 Speaker 3: in any way could give any of our adversaries a

34:49 Speaker 3: leg up on what we know and what we can do.

34:54 Speaker 1: So when we have you seen the gimbal video? Yes,

34:59 Speaker 1: do you think that that could have been Do you

35:03 Speaker 1: think the capabilities of the gimbal craft, how it rotated

35:08 Speaker 1: and stuff, do you think that that could be similar

35:10 Speaker 1: to this craft?

35:12 Speaker 3: It would be very similar in activity, but in appearance

35:17 Speaker 3: it would have been more like the tic.

35:19 Speaker 1: TAC Okay, okay, yeah, especially given.

35:22 Speaker 3: It was completely white. There were no seams, no rivets,

35:28 Speaker 3: no evidence of windows or doors in anything of that sort.

35:36 Speaker 3: There was a mass that was sticking out of a

35:38 Speaker 3: shallow dome that was at the top, and then it

35:41 Speaker 3: had several umbilicals that went off screen. And if there

35:49 Speaker 3: had been nothing else there, it would have been pure

35:52 Speaker 3: white looking sort of like if you modified an egg,

35:58 Speaker 3: it would look like that. Now, then the thing is

36:01 Speaker 3: there was painting on it. There was horizontal rectangles located

36:08 Speaker 3: from the twelve thirty to two thirty location the three

36:13 Speaker 3: thirty to five thirty location. I didn't see it at first,

36:17 Speaker 3: but when it rotated, I saw that there was also

36:20 Speaker 3: a rectangle at the six thirty to eight thirty position

36:24 Speaker 3: and at the nine thirty to eleven thirty position, So

36:27 Speaker 3: there were four equally placed around the beam of the craft.

36:34 Speaker 3: What is that indicative of, Well, whenever you're doing testing

36:38 Speaker 3: the aircraft, you want to follow every motion, especially if

36:42 Speaker 3: something is pure white. If it starts to do something,

36:48 Speaker 3: you can't really see what it's doing. But you put

36:52 Speaker 3: a rectangle vertically at three o'clock, six o'clock and twelve o'clock.

36:59 Speaker 3: As soon as the vehicle starts to rotate, you're going

37:03 Speaker 3: to you're going to be able to track the motion

37:09 Speaker 3: by the movement of the rectangles, right. So, so that's

37:13 Speaker 3: what what you do when when you're testing the circle.

37:16 Speaker 1: So all of this being said, all the circumstance is

37:23 Speaker 1: similar to or indicative of a test craft. It's just

37:29 Speaker 1: a craft itself that did not resemble anything that we

37:33 Speaker 1: have in our public inventory.

37:35 Speaker 3: That that's correct. As soon as I saw it and

37:41 Speaker 3: saw the way it was marked, I was thinking, okay, uh,

37:46 Speaker 3: somebody's built a test fling saucer and here were built it. Well,

37:54 Speaker 3: my guess would be that it would have been one

37:57 Speaker 3: or more contractors. Know, if you think about how the

38:02 Speaker 3: Air Force acquires aircraft.

38:05 Speaker 1: Right, they don't build themselves.

38:07 Speaker 3: They don't build it themselves. They will give the specifications

38:11 Speaker 3: and then Northrop will make their version, Boeing will make

38:16 Speaker 3: their version. You know, all these different companies will give

38:21 Speaker 3: their versions, and so they will make it look like

38:26 Speaker 3: it belongs in the US Air Force, but it still

38:28 Speaker 3: belongs to the contractor who's making it right now. Then,

38:34 Speaker 3: like when we wanted the Advanced Air Superiority Fighter, they

38:42 Speaker 3: had the YF twenty two and the YF twenty three

38:46 Speaker 3: built by different consortiums, right, and so when they were

38:50 Speaker 3: being tested, they still had Air Force insignias and all

38:57 Speaker 3: of the markings that an aircraft that was in the

39:03 Speaker 3: Air Force inventory wouldn't have. But then they decided we're

39:07 Speaker 3: not going to go with the YF twenty three, we're

39:10 Speaker 3: going to go with the YF twenty two. And so

39:13 Speaker 3: then they went into production, and then they made modifications,

39:18 Speaker 3: and when they came out with the actual F twenty two,

39:21 Speaker 3: the F twenty two was introduced into the Air Force

39:25 Speaker 3: inventory and they became official aircraft of the US Air Force.

39:32 Speaker 1: Okay, And and that's that's how that goes to date.

39:37 Speaker 1: We don't know that it that the US Air Force

39:41 Speaker 1: has any of these craft in our profit invagory. We

39:44 Speaker 1: know that they don't, but there was and this is

39:50 Speaker 1: some a detail that I think a lot of people

39:52 Speaker 1: missed the first time around. Is a lot a lot

39:55 Speaker 1: of the community, a lot of people in our community,

39:57 Speaker 1: they say, you know, why isn't there a Russian flag

40:00 Speaker 1: on these things? Why isn't there an American flag or

40:04 Speaker 1: a Chinese flag or some sort of emblem if they

40:08 Speaker 1: are human made or you know, ARV's alien reproduction vehicles.

40:13 Speaker 1: What did other than the rectangle track markings? Was there

40:19 Speaker 1: any other marking?

40:22 Speaker 3: Yes, And that's the second thing that caught my attention.

40:28 Speaker 3: Once it began to operate, one of the first things

40:32 Speaker 3: that it did was a very slow and smooth rotation

40:38 Speaker 3: three hundred and sixty degrees clockwise and then three hundred

40:42 Speaker 3: and sixty degrees counterclockwise. Now, then as the what I

40:47 Speaker 3: would call the twelve o'clock position move past me, I

40:50 Speaker 3: could see that it had US Air Force right there,

40:57 Speaker 3: and then just above that was UH an American flight insignia.

41:03 Speaker 3: You know, the Navy and Air Force use the similar

41:11 Speaker 3: YAH markings on their aircraft, so it said US Air

41:20 Speaker 3: Force and then it had this flight insigney. So then

41:24 Speaker 3: I sitting there, you got to be kidding me.

41:27 Speaker 1: These are what's going through your head? So is your

41:31 Speaker 1: reality going you know? Oh my god, all these UFOs

41:35 Speaker 1: that we that that have been seen by people, have

41:38 Speaker 1: they been ours? Or? I mean, but but he also

41:41 Speaker 1: lets you know that we got it from up there,

41:43 Speaker 1: So that's playing in your head. I mean, what's what's

41:46 Speaker 1: going through your mind like at that moment when you

41:49 Speaker 1: see that. I mean, this is an Air Force test vehicle, and.

41:53 Speaker 3: Well it's clearly a test vehicle, but there's several clues.

41:58 Speaker 3: There's no door so you can't get into it, so

42:02 Speaker 3: it would not be human piloted craft. H At the

42:10 Speaker 3: at the top of the mast, there were it seemed

42:14 Speaker 3: like three umbilicals that were there, so that that was

42:17 Speaker 3: probably providing electricity, electrical guidance information. It could be having

42:26 Speaker 3: internal monitoring for how well is the mechanism for flight

42:34 Speaker 3: working inside the vehicle? Right, So, a vehicle that was

42:43 Speaker 3: non human intelligence that had blown through space. I've never

42:47 Speaker 3: seen a picture of one carrying umbilicals from their home planet.

42:52 Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think that's other than a

42:54 Speaker 1: human trait.

42:57 Speaker 3: All of that spoke to me that, Okay, we are

43:00 Speaker 3: trying to reproduce this vehicle from wherever we got it.

43:07 Speaker 3: But I want to bring up something that most people

43:10 Speaker 3: don't think about. Reproducing something is very difficult to do.

43:16 Speaker 3: Let's go back, you know, just over one hundred years.

43:20 Speaker 3: If we took one of the F twenty two advanced

43:24 Speaker 3: fighters that we have now and transported it to nineteen fourteen,

43:29 Speaker 3: and we gave it to the best aeronautical engineers in

43:32 Speaker 3: our country and said reproduce it, they couldn't do it.

43:38 Speaker 3: They wouldn't know what the surface was made of, they

43:42 Speaker 3: wouldn't know what the alloy materials the alloys, or they

43:50 Speaker 3: wouldn't even comprehend what the computer systems.

43:53 Speaker 1: Were or integrated chips they I mean, this would be

43:57 Speaker 1: all be it would look like pure science and fucking right.

44:00 Speaker 3: And if you can't make a transistor chip, you can't

44:07 Speaker 3: make an F twenty two, right. But the thing is,

44:10 Speaker 3: there's lots of stuff in an F twenty two that,

44:14 Speaker 3: even though they were smart and brilliant people, there was

44:18 Speaker 3: no way to match what the industry that produced the

44:24 Speaker 3: F twenty two, you know, less than one hundred years later, right,

44:30 Speaker 3: could have done. And so this would have seemed like

44:34 Speaker 3: a spacecraft from Venus or something.

44:41 Speaker 1: The F twenty two would be a UFO.

44:42 Speaker 3: Yeah, it would be a UFO. They would have no

44:45 Speaker 3: means of In fact that in my lecture to the

44:52 Speaker 3: Navy PDS, I did that. I showed a stop with

44:56 Speaker 3: Kimmel and I said, it's nineteen eighteen, and U or

45:00 Speaker 3: this pilot. Now, then you take off, all of a sudden,

45:07 Speaker 3: here comes in F sixteen flying by you, and you say,

45:10 Speaker 3: oh my goodness, what was that? So you keep flying

45:15 Speaker 3: in fifteen minutes later, all of a sudden, you see

45:21 Speaker 3: a B two bomber fly by you. It doesn't even

45:25 Speaker 3: have a tail. There's no propellers on any of these things.

45:29 Speaker 1: And looks completely different.

45:30 Speaker 3: Yeah, and so he's shocked he turns around and heads

45:35 Speaker 3: back for base, and just about that time, in SR

45:37 Speaker 3: seventy one, zip's passing at fourteen hundred miles an.

45:41 Speaker 1: Hour, faster than sound.

45:44 Speaker 3: Now, then he hears a sonic boom. He has no

45:46 Speaker 3: idea what it is because there's never been a sonic boom. Now,

45:50 Speaker 3: then he lands he's going to have to tell his

45:54 Speaker 3: commander and an intelligence officer. Well, there was this one

45:59 Speaker 3: aircraft was small, It had this little dome on the front,

46:05 Speaker 3: and I think there was someone inside it, but it

46:09 Speaker 3: made this big noise and I could not tell where

46:13 Speaker 3: on Earth the propellers were. And so he's trying to

46:17 Speaker 3: describe the F sixteen. So he spends thirty minutes trying

46:21 Speaker 3: to explain that he saw in sixteen.

46:25 Speaker 1: But he knows what he saw.

46:26 Speaker 3: He knows what he saw. Well, he can't prove it

46:30 Speaker 3: because he didn't have a camera.

46:32 Speaker 1: And all of these all the authorities are saying this

46:35 Speaker 1: guy's lost his mind.

46:37 Speaker 3: Well, next he's going to describe it B two bomber.

46:41 Speaker 1: That's it.

46:42 Speaker 3: Okay, it looks like a batwing, but it's totally black.

46:49 Speaker 3: It doesn't make as much noise as the smaller aircraft,

46:55 Speaker 3: but it doesn't have a tail. There were no propellers

47:00 Speaker 3: on it. I couldn't even describe.

47:02 Speaker 1: To you it moved so fast.

47:04 Speaker 3: And so he spends thirty minutes trying to explain what

47:08 Speaker 3: the B two bomber was that he actually saw. When

47:12 Speaker 3: it gets through that, he has to explain what the

47:15 Speaker 3: SR seventy one looked like. Now, the SR seventy one

47:20 Speaker 3: was made less than fifty years separated from what he's doing, right,

47:26 Speaker 3: but the technology in fifty years has advanced on. He

47:29 Speaker 3: has no ability to describe what he saw in the.

47:35 Speaker 1: In the vernacular. Yes, it's not been created yet.

47:39 Speaker 3: He has no technical terms. He can't say there was

47:43 Speaker 3: a jet and it had its after burners on. No

47:46 Speaker 3: one knew what a jet was, or no one knew

47:48 Speaker 3: what an after burner.

47:49 Speaker 1: Was or jet propulse.

47:52 Speaker 3: Everything that flew had a propeller. These three craft didn't

47:58 Speaker 3: have a propeller. Also, this last one made this big,

48:03 Speaker 3: horrible booming sound that shook me up. And it didn't

48:08 Speaker 3: look like it even did anything to it, but it

48:11 Speaker 3: shook my aircraft up and nerdly blew my ears out.

48:14 Speaker 3: And you know, going eight thousand feet was pretty high

48:20 Speaker 3: back then. Well that's our something lie.

48:26 Speaker 1: This is in three.

48:27 Speaker 3: Minutes, it's over fifty thousand feet and disappears, which is, well,

48:32 Speaker 3: nothing can five fifty thousand feet in nineteen eighteen. So

48:37 Speaker 3: his ability to describe what he saw would be impossible.

48:44 Speaker 3: And yet this was human technology less than one hundred

48:47 Speaker 3: years that raved. So now, then if you're going to

48:52 Speaker 3: talk about maybe a civilization on another planet, on another

48:58 Speaker 3: star and they are a thousand years ahead of us,

49:02 Speaker 3: and they hand us a flying saucer and they say

49:08 Speaker 3: reproduce it. We don't know what the metal is that

49:12 Speaker 3: it's made of, We don't know what the propulsion system is.

49:17 Speaker 3: You know, Roswell was seventy years ago. You know, approximately

49:23 Speaker 3: in seventy years, we still might not be able to

49:27 Speaker 3: completely reproduce that vehicle because we don't have the technology

49:32 Speaker 3: and material science to make the equipment and design functions

49:42 Speaker 3: that you have to have for this vehicle.

49:45 Speaker 1: Right.

49:46 Speaker 3: So, you know a lot of times people think, oh,

49:49 Speaker 3: a UFO crashes two years later you have yeah, yeah, no,

49:57 Speaker 3: you can't do that.

49:58 Speaker 1: And so especially with heartmentalized information and stove piping.

50:03 Speaker 3: But if you went back to Sir Isaac Newton and

50:07 Speaker 3: took that f twenty two to him and said, hey,

50:10 Speaker 3: why don't you guys reproduce this? You can't, he would,

50:14 Speaker 3: he would have no ability to even conceive what this

50:19 Speaker 3: vehicle was. And this is still human technology, separated by

50:23 Speaker 3: just a few hundred years.

50:25 Speaker 1: It does make you wonder, and this is it makes

50:27 Speaker 1: me wonder, And this, of course, this is now. We're

50:29 Speaker 1: in a speculative territory here, but it makes me wonder

50:33 Speaker 1: if the future impacts, if the future has just as

50:39 Speaker 1: much of an impact on the now as the past does.

50:43 Speaker 1: You know, obviously the past brings us to the now, right,

50:47 Speaker 1: but what is time? I don't want to I don't

50:51 Speaker 1: want to go. I don't want to lose a tangent here.

50:53 Speaker 1: So sure, if these machines are well, do you think

50:57 Speaker 1: they're being donated to us or do you think they

50:59 Speaker 1: are crash and then we're retrieving them?

51:01 Speaker 3: Well, this is purely my speculation. I don't think spacecraft

51:13 Speaker 3: that have flown across huge distances in space are just

51:21 Speaker 3: going to be crashing now. Then if there are more

51:25 Speaker 3: than one sets of civilizations that are here and they

51:32 Speaker 3: don't always get along with each other, you know, civilization

51:39 Speaker 3: A has this kind of spacecraft civilization B has this

51:43 Speaker 3: other one, and that's why they look different. But if

51:48 Speaker 3: they are not getting into a situation, one of them

51:53 Speaker 3: might say, look, no one's looking, I'm going to shoot

51:58 Speaker 3: then the other and so they shoot it down and.

52:01 Speaker 1: It crashes, and then we have a roswell.

52:05 Speaker 3: Yes, and then we have a roswell. I think it

52:08 Speaker 3: would be much more likely that the spacecraft of another

52:13 Speaker 3: civilization would cheat down one rather than all of these

52:19 Speaker 3: highly advanced spacecraft just crashing all the time.

52:22 Speaker 1: Right right now, I want to so obviously in the

52:27 Speaker 1: podcast that we did, we went really deep into it,

52:30 Speaker 1: so I don't want to I don't want to stay

52:32 Speaker 1: too much on it because I want to I want

52:33 Speaker 1: to talk about some other aspects that we weren't able

52:36 Speaker 1: to get to. You don't end up reporting the other

52:40 Speaker 1: this major because you start thinking in your head about

52:44 Speaker 1: all all of the things that you would have to

52:46 Speaker 1: do to report him, which would then jeopardize your own standing.

52:51 Speaker 3: Absolutely, in nineteen ninety two in the Air Force, nobody

52:55 Speaker 3: goes around and says, hey, I just saw a flying saucer.

53:00 Speaker 1: Do that and you either fly a desk or you

53:03 Speaker 1: fly you fly the padded room.

53:06 Speaker 3: Yes that there was nothing in my knowledge. You know,

53:13 Speaker 3: I knew astronauts that flew in space and saw u

53:20 Speaker 3: APS bullets, and when they came back down, there was

53:25 Speaker 3: no way they were going to report anything because if

53:28 Speaker 3: they ever wanted to fly in space again, they had

53:31 Speaker 3: to keep their mouths shut.

53:33 Speaker 1: Yes they did.

53:34 Speaker 3: So I knew of stories. I knew of Air Force

53:39 Speaker 3: personnel who had seen UAPs. But the one thing I

53:45 Speaker 3: knew for sure is that nobody's talking about it.

53:49 Speaker 1: Right. So there's this clear, clear brick wall in service

53:56 Speaker 1: person service persons, civilian contractors, and this black world of

54:03 Speaker 1: we can't we all know the objective reality, but we

54:08 Speaker 1: can't talk about it openly.

54:10 Speaker 3: Well, go back to close encounters of the third kind.

54:16 Speaker 3: There's these aircraft and you see the air traffic controllers

54:19 Speaker 3: that are talking to the pilots, and they are experiencing

54:25 Speaker 3: a UAP, right, and they can see it. It flies

54:29 Speaker 3: right by all that kind of stuff. And then afterwards

54:31 Speaker 3: they say, do you want to report a UFO And

54:36 Speaker 3: one of the guys says, no, I don't want to

54:38 Speaker 3: report one of those. He doesn't even want to use

54:41 Speaker 3: the term UFO, right, And so the air traffic controller

54:48 Speaker 3: asks the other guy, do you want to file a report?

54:52 Speaker 3: And the guy says, I don't even know what kind

54:54 Speaker 3: of report I would file. No, I'm not going to file.

54:58 Speaker 3: And so that's that's the way things have been done

55:07 Speaker 3: up until at least since World War Two. Now, then

55:13 Speaker 3: one thing I would point out is why would World

55:16 Speaker 3: War two be an impetus for increased observation? Now, observation

55:21 Speaker 3: of Earth is ancient.

55:24 Speaker 1: Of course.

55:25 Speaker 3: I was recently on a podcast with the Novajo Paranormal Rangers,

55:34 Speaker 3: and so as I was talking about this, John said, well,

55:39 Speaker 3: that's not anything new to us ours. We have the

55:44 Speaker 3: stories of the star people that we have known about

55:47 Speaker 3: for hundreds of years and and so you guys are

55:51 Speaker 3: just catching up to us.

55:54 Speaker 1: Right, So it's cultural South America as well as they're

55:57 Speaker 1: they're more open to talk about it.

56:00 Speaker 3: Uh India with the Vermonas.

56:02 Speaker 1: With the Vermonas.

56:03 Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, yes, So these these are all things that

56:07 Speaker 3: have always been there, but it picked up after World

56:11 Speaker 3: War Two? Why because we're setting off nuclear weapons.

56:15 Speaker 1: So you think that there is a connection between.

56:17 Speaker 3: I think that when the civilization advances to the point

56:22 Speaker 3: that you're setting off nuclear devices, that's going to get

56:27 Speaker 3: the tension.

56:30 Speaker 1: Daddy coming home. I think daddy's been out too long

56:34 Speaker 1: a pack of cigarettes.

56:37 Speaker 3: You know. Planet A says, hold it, we detected and

56:44 Speaker 3: the right. And here's a key that people don't always

56:50 Speaker 3: think about. When we talk about, you know, the the

56:57 Speaker 3: explosion and the electromagnetic force spreading through the space, we forget.

57:07 Speaker 3: We know for sure that electrons and other sub atomac

57:17 Speaker 3: particles can have quantum entanglement. Yes, spooky spooky action at

57:24 Speaker 3: a distance. And so if an electron on Earth is

57:29 Speaker 3: tied to an electron well light years away and this

57:36 Speaker 3: one does something particular, they can see it there.

57:41 Speaker 1: At the speed of now though, yeah, with no.

57:44 Speaker 3: Discern because the spooky interaction at a distance is faster

57:51 Speaker 3: than the speed of light. It's instantaneous, it no matter

57:55 Speaker 3: where it is in the universe. Right, So, if all

57:58 Speaker 3: of a sudden we have all these quantum entangled particles

58:04 Speaker 3: particles on Earth and we set off a.

58:06 Speaker 5: Nuclear devias, sciences that are one hundred thousand years more

58:14 Speaker 5: advanced than we are could know how to pick that

58:18 Speaker 5: up and say, okay, the planet Earth.

58:21 Speaker 1: Has a sunda.

58:22 Speaker 3: Just went nuclear, just went clear, Yeah, okay, okay, we

58:28 Speaker 3: ran about okay, Flight seven we're sending you guys to Earth.

58:34 Speaker 3: We want to know monitor and then when you think

58:37 Speaker 3: about the UAPs, how often are they around nuclear facilities.

58:43 Speaker 1: All the time. Yeah, Bob Salas, I mean, he's a

58:47 Speaker 1: guy that we're going to be speaking to you a

58:48 Speaker 1: little bit later later today. I mean, this interview is

58:51 Speaker 1: under not you guys not understand that. But we're we

58:54 Speaker 1: have a lot of things to do today at Contact

58:57 Speaker 1: and I'm so glad you're here. But that's a huge

59:01 Speaker 1: aspect of this phenomena is with the the rise in

59:06 Speaker 1: nuclear activity. I mean, Roswell is home of the five

59:11 Speaker 1: to ninth bomb squadron, the only nuclear equipped squadron in

59:16 Speaker 1: the globe on the globe, but that's not.

59:18 Speaker 3: The history that's ever dropped atomic nuclear weapon for.

59:23 Speaker 1: Real, those other guys that end up responding to macbrasel

59:30 Speaker 1: and the Ranch and all that.

59:32 Speaker 3: Not only that, but not too far away, you've got

59:34 Speaker 3: White Sands and Operation paper Clip took all of the

59:38 Speaker 3: German scientists out there and they're launching B two missiles and.

59:42 Speaker 1: Getting ready to turn that into the Saturn. Right, So

59:45 Speaker 1: I mean you got to start asking yourself about I mean,

59:48 Speaker 1: it's funny because in real estate. Right, it's like location,

59:50 Speaker 1: location location, but I say it in the in the

59:53 Speaker 1: in the UFO world, it's location location location. Look at

59:57 Speaker 1: where these things are happening, and they're either in reference

1:00:00 Speaker 1: to water or reference to nuclear those are always.

1:00:04 Speaker 3: Core or other advanced technologies.

1:00:07 Speaker 1: Right now, I wonder if.

1:00:09 Speaker 3: If when we start doing you know, just imagine that

1:00:18 Speaker 3: we knew about a civilization of people in the South

1:00:25 Speaker 3: Pacific that no one had ever found before, and we

1:00:30 Speaker 3: want to prevent any of the modern personnel from going

1:00:37 Speaker 3: out there and messing with them. Uh, we would set

1:00:44 Speaker 3: rules and guidelines for what you don't do. But then

1:00:49 Speaker 3: all of a sudden, Uh, they build outrigger canoes and

1:00:54 Speaker 3: they start sailing into other islands. Well, that whole idea

1:00:59 Speaker 3: is gone because now they've got contact with other civilizations.

1:01:04 Speaker 3: So the reason we were wanting to protect them is

1:01:06 Speaker 3: no longer valid because they have developed the technology to

1:01:11 Speaker 3: reach out to other cultures.

1:01:15 Speaker 1: And that's a great argument because a lot of people say,

1:01:20 Speaker 1: like the a lot of people think that they're just

1:01:25 Speaker 1: monitoring and they won't engage with us because because they

1:01:30 Speaker 1: don't want to interrupt, and they don't want to they

1:01:33 Speaker 1: don't want to hinder or speed up our evolutionary process. Well,

1:01:39 Speaker 1: I think when we rang that dinner bell with the

1:01:41 Speaker 1: nuclear the nuclear bell, When we rang that bell, I

1:01:44 Speaker 1: think we let the universe know that we were ready

1:01:47 Speaker 1: for a higher form of communication, intelligence, and consciousness.

1:01:52 Speaker 3: Yes, because we develop a technology that when you get

1:01:57 Speaker 3: to that point, it gets serious. But you know, something

1:02:03 Speaker 3: else to think about is that, uh, once these other

1:02:10 Speaker 3: cultures come, they're going to play politics too. Now, then

1:02:16 Speaker 3: if it was America and Russia and China, we may

1:02:22 Speaker 3: have a treaty that we're not going to do this stuff.

1:02:26 Speaker 3: But as soon as we get a chance to do

1:02:28 Speaker 3: it behind somebody's back, we're going to do it.

1:02:30 Speaker 1: We do it.

1:02:31 Speaker 3: So, you know, like like the Grays, if they've signed

1:02:35 Speaker 3: an agreement that they're not going to experiment on humans,

1:02:38 Speaker 3: as soon as nobody's looking, they're going to experiment on humans. Yes,

1:02:44 Speaker 3: you know, if one culture says, hey, these minute men

1:02:51 Speaker 3: rockets out of Malstrom Air Force Base look pretty advanced,

1:02:56 Speaker 3: I wonder if we can shut them down if we

1:02:57 Speaker 3: want to, let's try that. So they shut them down

1:03:02 Speaker 3: and they said, okay, yeah, we can still control them.

1:03:05 Speaker 3: If they were trying to launch them, we could make

1:03:07 Speaker 3: sure that they launch these So they're testing us, and

1:03:14 Speaker 3: they're testing their technology in relation to our technology. But

1:03:20 Speaker 3: how many times do we say we know that these

1:03:26 Speaker 3: UAPs are around military facilities, nuclear power plants, you know,

1:03:33 Speaker 3: they're monitoring nuclear weapons development. So if if we were

1:03:42 Speaker 3: going to do this to another world, that would be

1:03:44 Speaker 3: the things that we'd.

1:03:45 Speaker 1: Be looking for exactly. And that's why, like, you know,

1:03:49 Speaker 1: not to go off topic here, because I we we

1:03:52 Speaker 1: got to a couple more minutes. I have a question

1:03:55 Speaker 1: that I think is going to really drive us home here.

1:03:58 Speaker 1: But like people like nildergrass Tyson, they're always saying, oh,

1:04:03 Speaker 1: why would aliens or non human intelligence, why would they

1:04:06 Speaker 1: care about humans? That's the dumbest That's one of the

1:04:11 Speaker 1: most ignorant arguments. I've ever heard. Because why do we

1:04:15 Speaker 1: have a fascination with insects in the rainforest? Because we

1:04:21 Speaker 1: want to know. We have a curiosity about us as intelligent,

1:04:26 Speaker 1: conscious beings to learn as much as we can about

1:04:29 Speaker 1: the environment that surrounds us. And if I was a civilization,

1:04:33 Speaker 1: an off Earth civilization, or if I was an Earth

1:04:35 Speaker 1: civilization and we found life elsewhere, I'd want to know

1:04:38 Speaker 1: every I'd want to know if they had an Einstein,

1:04:40 Speaker 1: I'd want to know when they figured out they do,

1:04:43 Speaker 1: they have religion, I'd want to know all of that.

1:04:46 Speaker 1: So with that being said, after you see this video,

1:04:52 Speaker 1: you see the video of ninety two, you're doing presentations

1:04:55 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four on UAPs. There's a lot of

1:04:59 Speaker 1: time in between those.

1:05:01 Speaker 3: Now, yes, well, see, one of the factors was that

1:05:05 Speaker 3: in the meantime, the Navy declassified the videos of those faaighteen.

1:05:11 Speaker 1: Correct in twenty twenty.

1:05:14 Speaker 3: If they had not declassified that information, I couldn't have

1:05:19 Speaker 3: put it on my presentation to the Navy to the

1:05:24 Speaker 3: Department of Defense in twenty twenty four. So every little

1:05:31 Speaker 3: step that we take makes the next step possible. And

1:05:36 Speaker 3: it takes a whole lot of steps to get disclosure

1:05:39 Speaker 3: on these kinds of things.

1:05:40 Speaker 1: And that's why we have to mount pressure. And I

1:05:43 Speaker 1: think civilian scientists, you know, people with credibility like yours,

1:05:48 Speaker 1: civilian journalists like myself, we're going to be We're gonna

1:05:52 Speaker 1: have to be the ones to mount the pressure. And

1:05:55 Speaker 1: so I want to talk to you about something. In

1:05:57 Speaker 1: our initial interview, I asked you about retribution and retribution

1:06:03 Speaker 1: I don't just mean physical threats. Have you noticed anything

1:06:08 Speaker 1: since ninety two and since you saw what you saw

1:06:13 Speaker 1: to right now, has anything happened that made you say

1:06:18 Speaker 1: they're watching me? Potentially, you don't have to work too

1:06:24 Speaker 1: deep into me. Do you think that they have an

1:06:30 Speaker 1: interest in what you're saying?

1:06:33 Speaker 3: I would say there's going to be somebody somewhere in

1:06:36 Speaker 3: the Department of Defense that's interested in what I'm saying.

1:06:40 Speaker 3: I can't say that I have been harassed in any way.

1:06:45 Speaker 3: There's been a couple of things happened. But where I

1:06:49 Speaker 3: live in Oklahoma, we sometimes have the Internet go out

1:06:54 Speaker 3: for seemingly no reason. But I was in the process

1:07:01 Speaker 3: of sending a message to one of the people who

1:07:06 Speaker 3: have put their version of my story on the Internet,

1:07:12 Speaker 3: and right when I got to the point to where

1:07:17 Speaker 3: I was making a specific point, the internet went out. Now,

1:07:22 Speaker 3: then that could have been absolutely happenstance. Somebody somewhere might

1:07:30 Speaker 3: have done it, But it was like six hours before

1:07:33 Speaker 3: the Internet came back. But in our part of the country,

1:07:38 Speaker 3: that's not necessarily unusual, so I would not rule that

1:07:43 Speaker 3: in that fashion.

1:07:45 Speaker 1: But no men in black, it was annoying. No men

1:07:48 Speaker 1: in black and you know kind of what that's like

1:07:53 Speaker 1: to have.

1:07:55 Speaker 3: Well, I've dealt with classified operations my entire military career, right, so.

1:08:03 Speaker 1: You're pretty keen. You would know if someone was following you.

1:08:07 Speaker 1: You would know if someone was making.

1:08:10 Speaker 3: Threats, especially when you consider that the stories about the

1:08:14 Speaker 3: men in Black and so forth, those people make sure

1:08:19 Speaker 3: that the people they're pursuing knows they're pursuing them. Yes,

1:08:24 Speaker 3: you know, the men in black don't sneak around where

1:08:27 Speaker 3: you don't know they've been there for twenty days. If

1:08:32 Speaker 3: somebody sees uap, they show up within two days and

1:08:38 Speaker 3: they come and talk to them, and they take and

1:08:41 Speaker 3: they can stand around and do things to where you

1:08:45 Speaker 3: know you're being watched by the men in black. Right,

1:08:48 Speaker 3: So they're not going to be subtle. Right, So I.

1:08:52 Speaker 1: Want a round. So okay, so you don't feel like

1:08:55 Speaker 1: you're you don't feel that the government is trying to

1:08:59 Speaker 1: stop you from telling the story of what you saw.

1:09:04 Speaker 3: There is nothing at this point that would make me

1:09:06 Speaker 3: say that, Okay, great if you If you think spaceflight

1:09:11 Speaker 3: is easy, it's not. You know, I've talked to the

1:09:16 Speaker 3: astronauts that went to the Moon. I took care of

1:09:18 Speaker 3: astronauts who were flying with the Space Shuttle. There's nothing

1:09:23 Speaker 3: easy about space. But the more you look at it,

1:09:27 Speaker 3: the worse it gets. And so when you start talking

1:09:30 Speaker 3: about sharing DNA between human and some other entity from

1:09:42 Speaker 3: you know, another planet, how well is that DNA going

1:09:48 Speaker 3: to survive and replicate. So yeah, those are questions that

1:09:54 Speaker 3: I can't answer.

1:09:55 Speaker 1: Not yet, at least we can't answer. But listen, I

1:09:59 Speaker 1: this is going to be I mean, I think we'll

1:10:03 Speaker 1: probably uh price it down one more time before before

1:10:08 Speaker 1: the end of the contact of the desert. But I

1:10:10 Speaker 1: think this is a good place to wrap up on

1:10:12 Speaker 1: this one. What's next for you?

1:10:17 Speaker 3: Well, I'm going to go have lunch with my wife.

1:10:20 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, your your wife is great. She's she's she's amazing,

1:10:26 Speaker 1: she's wonderful, wonderful person. And I think that we're gonna

1:10:29 Speaker 1: have We're gonna have a lot of fun in the future.

1:10:33 Speaker 1: And I think I think probably next year you might

1:10:35 Speaker 1: be speaking at one of these things. So I just

1:10:38 Speaker 1: want to say thank you again for for being a

1:10:40 Speaker 1: part of this and for letting me be a part

1:10:42 Speaker 1: of this.

1:10:43 Speaker 3: So not a problem.

1:10:44 Speaker 1: Well, we'll we'll chat more. But people really want to

1:10:46 Speaker 1: know how they can how they can follow you, and

1:10:49 Speaker 1: how they can keep in touch. Not you know, do

1:10:52 Speaker 1: you have any social media or is there any anywhere

1:10:55 Speaker 1: they can follow your work? No, not yet, not yet.

1:10:59 Speaker 1: The Bureau, the International Uphone Bureau. We're about to go

1:11:02 Speaker 1: represent the Bureau here at Contact the desert now, so

1:11:05 Speaker 1: lots of work to do. It's only uh, it's only

1:11:08 Speaker 1: eleven thirty. We're just getting started, all right, Thank you everyone. Uh,

1:11:12 Speaker 1: until next time, keep your eye in the sky. You

1:11:14 Speaker 1: never know what might fly by.

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