Dr. Lacatski's Bombshell About US Government Possesion of UFO- Clarity On AAWSAP vs AATIp, Lue ELizondo And More- SPECIAL PRESENTATION

0:01 Speaker 1: Like we have different species of humans on this planet.

0:03 Speaker 1: I'm quite certain there's different species of alien life forms,

0:07 Speaker 1: so we could run into metallevolence. In fact, President Reagan

0:10 Speaker 1: on several occasions alerted concern about the potential hostilities from

0:15 Speaker 1: outer space.

0:17 Speaker 2: We know for a fact that the US government has

0:19 Speaker 2: solid information about negative health effects from being in the

0:24 Speaker 2: proximity of uap UFOs and people.

0:27 Speaker 3: Congress individuals will be speaking with the Department of Defense

0:32 Speaker 3: Inspector General now when they have this. It only took

0:36 Speaker 3: a couple of years to get this meeting to go

0:38 Speaker 3: to place. But the idea is that the dodig they're

0:42 Speaker 3: going to work with Congress that kind of let them

0:45 Speaker 3: know about some of the stuff going.

0:46 Speaker 2: On, secrets, cover ups and strange phenomena.

0:52 Speaker 3: UFOs and ideas that challenge reality itself, all these mysteries,

0:57 Speaker 3: all this time, we're ever going to get to the

0:59 Speaker 3: bottom of.

0:59 Speaker 2: The My name is George Knapp. I dig into news

1:03 Speaker 2: stories that others can't or won't.

1:05 Speaker 3: I'm Jeremy Corbel, and for some reason people tell me

1:08 Speaker 3: things they probably shouldn't and this is weapon weapons.

1:16 Speaker 4: Hey Jeremy, how you doing, good man?

1:19 Speaker 3: How you doing?

1:20 Speaker 4: Busy?

1:21 Speaker 2: Busy week in UFO world, Arrow came out with its

1:25 Speaker 2: long anticipated second report.

1:28 Speaker 4: Did you read it?

1:29 Speaker 5: Oh?

1:29 Speaker 3: Yeah, I read it.

1:30 Speaker 4: Man.

1:30 Speaker 3: You know it's the same thing. Oh my little puppies.

1:33 Speaker 3: My little boy's crying about the Arrow Report. Everybody's crying

1:37 Speaker 3: about it. Oh okay, so so yeah, man, it was.

1:42 Speaker 3: It was kind of towing the line like they use

1:45 Speaker 3: all these things, like during our investigation time frame, we

1:50 Speaker 3: didn't find any negative biological effects on people. It's like,

1:54 Speaker 3: it's really frustrating to people like you and me and

1:57 Speaker 3: people that know a broader scope of you history. You've

2:01 Speaker 3: got Sean Kirkpatrick, doctor Shan Kapatrick kind of like tallying

2:05 Speaker 3: up the recent you know, things that they've seen that

2:07 Speaker 3: the military has been able to film or document. But

2:12 Speaker 3: isn't the whole point of Arrow that there are these

2:14 Speaker 3: illegal programs that we have been reverse engineering, that we

2:19 Speaker 3: have these things within private defense contractors and they're just

2:24 Speaker 3: playing around with things they see in the sky. I mean,

2:27 Speaker 3: if we have these things on the ground and they've

2:29 Speaker 3: been notified of that, which we know they have, what

2:31 Speaker 3: game are they playing? I don't get it.

2:34 Speaker 2: Well, it's a game that we've seen many times before.

2:36 Speaker 2: I mean, we've seen this movie. We saw it with

2:38 Speaker 2: Project sign which you know, was the first really big

2:42 Speaker 2: Air Force study of UFOs. The staff members came up

2:46 Speaker 2: with what they thought was a compelling case that these

2:48 Speaker 2: were possibly extraterrestrial, but they knew that they weren't ours,

2:53 Speaker 2: and the guy who was the head of the Air

2:55 Speaker 2: Force at the time put the kibosh on it. He

2:57 Speaker 2: wouldn't allow that report to be made public. So then

3:00 Speaker 2: you have Projects Grudge and a blue Book that came

3:03 Speaker 2: out that basically did their best to explain away UFO cases,

3:07 Speaker 2: even when the explanations were more outrageous than the possibility

3:11 Speaker 2: that these are from somewhere else, some non human intelligence.

3:15 Speaker 2: You know, the Project blue Book was a public relations exercise.

3:18 Speaker 2: It's starting to feel like Arrow is the same thing.

3:21 Speaker 2: You know, they're ostensibly supposed to investigate these sightings, and

3:26 Speaker 2: it sounds like they are. I mean, in terms of

3:28 Speaker 2: the good news of what we heard this week, it's

3:30 Speaker 2: that Sean Kirkpatrick saying that they've received dozens of reports

3:35 Speaker 2: per month, so at least there is a flow of reports.

3:38 Speaker 2: Some of the stigma has decreased to a point where

3:40 Speaker 2: military pilots and military witnesses and some commercial pilots will

3:45 Speaker 2: go ahead and file reports.

3:46 Speaker 4: That's a good thing.

3:48 Speaker 2: It's good that they've got a total of eight hundred

3:50 Speaker 2: or so, which is up from six hundred and fifty

3:52 Speaker 2: the last time, you know, but you start to feel

3:56 Speaker 2: the creep of what we've seen before. Half of these

3:59 Speaker 2: are explained their balloons and drones. Only two to four

4:04 Speaker 2: percent are truly anomalist, I think, Kirkpatrick said, and require

4:08 Speaker 2: further investigation. Only a very small percentage display quote unusual characteristics.

4:14 Speaker 2: But it was interesting to me that Kirkpatrick gets out

4:16 Speaker 2: in front of this report, he goes on CNN to

4:19 Speaker 2: spin it before the report is actually released. Were you

4:23 Speaker 2: did that catch your attention?

4:25 Speaker 3: It sure did. I'm sorry, I just have to say,

4:28 Speaker 3: this is my little boy. He is really crying about

4:30 Speaker 3: the error form. Yeah, right, so there's nothing I can do.

4:34 Speaker 3: He's going to do a little crime. So yeah, that

4:36 Speaker 3: was something that really struck me was that we see

4:40 Speaker 3: immediately before this report comes out, doctor Kirkpatrick. You know,

4:44 Speaker 3: he straight up gives an interview to CNN to absolutely

4:48 Speaker 3: try to spin it, try to put it in his favor.

4:51 Speaker 3: And they were compliant. They were like, oh cool, great,

4:54 Speaker 3: So it was really bizarre. I just you know, here's

4:57 Speaker 3: the deal you you have always said did with Arrow?

5:01 Speaker 3: They have to earn our trust. They haven't done that.

5:03 Speaker 3: There have been lies for decades, and I was like

5:05 Speaker 3: fighting for them. I'm like, come on, man, this is

5:07 Speaker 3: really cool. It's gonna be okay. But I do see

5:10 Speaker 3: what you're saying now, which is that the way everything

5:14 Speaker 3: is worded, it is absolutely a whitewash. And that's not

5:17 Speaker 3: even what we know. They've been told and have not

5:21 Speaker 3: investigated or have covered up. So when it comes to

5:24 Speaker 3: just reports coming in from the military, they go above

5:27 Speaker 3: and beyond to try to dismiss and try to show

5:32 Speaker 3: us cases that are already resolved, as if we need

5:34 Speaker 3: a lesson on what that looks like when things are resolved, right.

5:38 Speaker 3: So yeah, man, it's really it's really annoying. At the

5:43 Speaker 3: same time, I think the real frustration I have is

5:48 Speaker 3: that we know for sure, David Grush says, we have

5:53 Speaker 3: the locations, I know the program names, I've got hostile

5:57 Speaker 3: and non hostile witnesses, but we know that ARROW is

6:01 Speaker 3: not pursuing that in a public way, and they're even

6:04 Speaker 3: throwing it back in the face of the people that

6:06 Speaker 3: we know, some of whom we've sent to testify to error.

6:09 Speaker 3: I'm never doing that again, by the way. So yeah, man,

6:12 Speaker 3: it's really frustrating if people go read the ERRA report,

6:16 Speaker 3: you know, it's like this little bait and switch thing.

6:18 Speaker 3: It makes you think that they're doing something legitimate, but

6:21 Speaker 3: then they're edging towards Oh, we can verify everything, this

6:26 Speaker 3: might be this might be adversarial tech. Did we have

6:29 Speaker 3: this adversarial tech before our military even existed?

6:32 Speaker 4: I mean, come on, Yeah.

6:34 Speaker 2: I thought Kirkpatrick's comments to CNN about Grush and other

6:40 Speaker 2: whistleblowers were pretty telling in that he said something like

6:43 Speaker 2: he dismissed the sensational claims, saying, quote, he has no

6:46 Speaker 2: evidence that suggests anything is extraterrestrial in nature, and I'm

6:51 Speaker 2: not sure that Dave Grush ever used the word extraterrestrial.

6:53 Speaker 4: It was non human intelligence.

6:55 Speaker 2: And then he said, if anybody thinks they know what

6:57 Speaker 2: these things are, they should be coming to talk to us.

7:00 Speaker 2: That's why we've set up this entire architecture for people

7:03 Speaker 2: to securely come in and talk with us. Well, you

7:05 Speaker 2: and I know people who have come in to talk

7:08 Speaker 2: to them and they don't seem to be taking their

7:10 Speaker 2: testimony very seriously. We know people who have provided information

7:14 Speaker 2: to other arms of the US government. Arrow has either

7:18 Speaker 2: hasn't paid attention to it, or hasn't gone after it,

7:21 Speaker 2: or hasn't read it. And then you know, lastly, I

7:24 Speaker 2: guess we know people who have been invited to speak

7:27 Speaker 2: with ARROW but are not going to get.

7:30 Speaker 4: Within ten feet of that office.

7:31 Speaker 2: They don't trust them, they don't believe that they're doing

7:33 Speaker 2: an honest investigation, and there's no way that they're going

7:36 Speaker 2: to come up and cough up what they know to

7:39 Speaker 2: Sean Kirkpatrick or his staff.

7:42 Speaker 3: I mean, I would actually argue that they've taken very

7:45 Speaker 3: seriously the testimony, but they've completely locked that in to

7:50 Speaker 3: not allow that to be part of public disclosure. When

7:54 Speaker 3: people go and talk with ARROW, there's this new thing.

7:56 Speaker 3: When they submit it becomes part of an investigation. We

8:00 Speaker 3: can no longer talk about it. So they become silenced

8:02 Speaker 3: just because they went to ERA. That's what I'm hearing

8:05 Speaker 3: from people that did actually go and testify. So it's

8:08 Speaker 3: kind of this catch twenty two where I think they

8:11 Speaker 3: are taking things very seriously. When people say I was

8:13 Speaker 3: in this program. This was the name, this is what

8:15 Speaker 3: we did. It was exploitation of nonterrestrial NHI non human

8:19 Speaker 3: intelligent craft and then they just lock it up. So

8:21 Speaker 3: I think it's more diabolical than they're just not taking

8:24 Speaker 3: it seriously. I think this is a position to organization

8:28 Speaker 3: like Blue Book, like Project Sign, Project Grudge, where they're

8:32 Speaker 3: trying to get as much information. Oh, come tell us

8:35 Speaker 3: the information, and then lock that shit down. That's the

8:39 Speaker 3: fear and the understanding of a lot of people that

8:41 Speaker 3: have come forward to them. I am hopeful though, because

8:45 Speaker 3: we do know that on the twenty sixth, so next week,

8:49 Speaker 3: we do know that Representative Birchant and people at Congress

8:54 Speaker 3: individuals will be speaking with the Department of Defense Inspector General.

9:00 Speaker 3: Now when they have this it only took a couple

9:02 Speaker 3: of years to get this meeting to go to place.

9:04 Speaker 3: But the idea is that the do O d IG

9:08 Speaker 3: they're going to work with Congress and kind of let

9:11 Speaker 3: them know about some of the stuff going on. Now.

9:13 Speaker 3: I don't know how that meeting's going to go, but

9:15 Speaker 3: I'm hopeful that that meeting is happening. Actually this week

9:19 Speaker 3: when people are listening to it, it'll be this week.

9:23 Speaker 2: A couple of other things that Kirkpatrick has said, or

9:26 Speaker 2: the report said, that jumped out at me, and this

9:29 Speaker 2: was the one that both you and I reacted to

9:32 Speaker 2: off camera offline, is that they have found no evidence

9:36 Speaker 2: of adverse health effects documented to date, which is maybe

9:42 Speaker 2: they haven't. Maybe the cases they're getting all come mostly

9:44 Speaker 2: come from pilots and they're not getting close up to

9:47 Speaker 2: these UFOs, whatever these objects are. But we know for

9:51 Speaker 2: a fact that the US government has solid information about

9:55 Speaker 2: negative health effects from being in the proximity of uap UFO.

10:00 Speaker 2: There's a Sean Kirkpatrick to walk across the street to

10:04 Speaker 2: DA and get the dird That was part of the

10:08 Speaker 2: ASAPP program. Sorry for all the acronyms, but there was

10:11 Speaker 2: a report compiled. The guy who was in charge of

10:14 Speaker 2: it is Kit Green, who worked for CIA for a

10:16 Speaker 2: number of years. He's a neuroscientists, a medical doctor, and

10:21 Speaker 2: he cataloged all these hundreds hundreds of cases where they've

10:25 Speaker 2: been deleterious health effects caused by being in the proximity

10:29 Speaker 2: to UFOs, burns and body marks and serious, really weird

10:34 Speaker 2: diseases that pop up when people get too close to

10:37 Speaker 2: these things. It's hundreds of cases. It's a dird that

10:40 Speaker 2: is now public information. We posted on a mystery wire

10:44 Speaker 2: a couple of years ago. You and I have talked

10:46 Speaker 2: about it before. So the fact that Sean Kirkpatrick seems

10:49 Speaker 2: blissfully unaware that this report exists is telling, I think, right.

10:54 Speaker 3: So, I think they hide behind language because when you

10:57 Speaker 3: read it, it's like within the reporting period, you know,

11:00 Speaker 3: how do you even have time to really look at

11:02 Speaker 3: the brain scans of individuals who had an experience within

11:06 Speaker 3: that reporting time, So they kind of hide behind language.

11:10 Speaker 3: He is very well aware that there are negative impacts

11:13 Speaker 3: to human biology, including the brain when it comes to

11:17 Speaker 3: close proximity to UAP. Now, I don't know if he's

11:20 Speaker 3: read the great work of AWSAP and these reports, the

11:23 Speaker 3: ones that you released to the public showing that human

11:27 Speaker 3: beings have these really devastating biological effects. But remember when

11:31 Speaker 3: you asked doctor Colin Kelleher to come on Weaponize a

11:34 Speaker 3: number of episodes ago, he really brought this up. He

11:38 Speaker 3: talked about this. Now, remember this is a for our audience.

11:41 Speaker 3: This is the government's acknowledged, biggest ever acknowledged UFO program

11:47 Speaker 3: running through the DA. But it was the one that

11:50 Speaker 3: was funded for twenty two million called AWSAP Advanced Aerospace

11:54 Speaker 3: Weapons System Applications Program and one of the DIRDS. The

11:58 Speaker 3: Defense Intelligence Reference documents that you released to the public

12:03 Speaker 3: shows a really intense knowledge, a very studied knowledge of

12:10 Speaker 3: what UAP or UFOs can do to the human body

12:14 Speaker 3: when people come into close proximity. Not that they're actively

12:17 Speaker 3: targeting human beings in general, but just that that close

12:21 Speaker 3: proximity to that power source. Although there are other cases

12:24 Speaker 3: like in Kolaris, which in this new episode we talked about.

12:27 Speaker 3: So yeah, man, it's super frustrating. An aspect of the

12:32 Speaker 3: UFO phenomenon is human health effects, and doctor Kirkpatrick damn

12:36 Speaker 3: well knows that, I think.

12:38 Speaker 4: Yeah.

12:39 Speaker 2: We had some great comments from Colin Kelleher, a biochemist

12:43 Speaker 2: who was directly involved with OSAPPY, was one of the

12:45 Speaker 2: program managers. He oversaw out of the research into the

12:49 Speaker 2: health effects. He was directly involved with it. He told

12:52 Speaker 2: us about that months ago. Somehow that information has never

12:55 Speaker 2: got to the aero folks. I'm not sure that I

12:58 Speaker 2: know that. Kirk Patrick said. They have almost forty people

13:02 Speaker 2: on staff for ARROWNOW, which is a great thing. They

13:05 Speaker 2: need to ramp it up and maybe they'll be adding more.

13:07 Speaker 2: I wonder how many of them are medical doctors or

13:09 Speaker 2: have some kind of medical experience where they could actually

13:12 Speaker 2: have the expertise to.

13:14 Speaker 4: Investigate the possible health effects.

13:16 Speaker 2: As we have said on this program before, they've been

13:19 Speaker 2: well documented for a long time. One of them, I mean,

13:23 Speaker 2: there's John Burrows, that guy who got too close to

13:25 Speaker 2: the Bentwaters UFO. His injuries were severe enough that Senator

13:29 Speaker 2: John McCain authorized got him authorized to have federal health

13:34 Speaker 2: benefits because his injuries were directly related to his service

13:38 Speaker 2: during the military.

13:40 Speaker 3: That's right. So I remember that because when I was

13:42 Speaker 3: with Reuben Langdon and he was putting on a citizen

13:45 Speaker 3: hearing on disclosure, which everybody should watch. It's forty witnesses

13:51 Speaker 3: and a week of testimony in front of five congress

13:56 Speaker 3: people and one senator. John Burrows was part of the

14:00 Speaker 3: Rendelsham Forrest's UFO encounters and he had a heart problem.

14:04 Speaker 3: They wouldn't admit that he was even there because it

14:06 Speaker 3: was a UFO incident. Was all classified. So when he

14:10 Speaker 3: testified at that panel that we all set up there,

14:13 Speaker 3: they couldn't believe it. They wouldn't give him health benefits

14:17 Speaker 3: because of an injury he received because of close proximity

14:19 Speaker 3: to UFOs. So you're right, John McCain jumped in. That

14:24 Speaker 3: was a letter that everybody signed that was there. We

14:26 Speaker 3: documented that signing and it worked. They gave him full

14:30 Speaker 3: medical benefits. He had a life saving surgery on his heart.

14:33 Speaker 3: Very weird thing happened though. When he was in surgery,

14:36 Speaker 3: the doctor got a call from a military individual telling

14:40 Speaker 3: them exactly what to do to repair this issue that

14:44 Speaker 3: was caused by UAP, and that showed knowledge of our

14:49 Speaker 3: military and exactly what UAP does to the heart in

14:52 Speaker 3: that situation. He then came forward and I have this

14:55 Speaker 3: also documented where he's thanking everybody for putting this pressure

14:59 Speaker 3: on during the citizen hearing because it did save his life.

15:02 Speaker 3: It gave him full benefits. It's a really neat piece

15:05 Speaker 3: of footage, but it's part of history. It's true. So look, yeah,

15:08 Speaker 3: the investigations into leaks is an essential part of the

15:12 Speaker 3: way intelligence agencies work. I get that. I take no

15:15 Speaker 3: offense on that. You and I as journalists, no one's

15:17 Speaker 3: coming at us. We're obtaining information, we're releasing it for

15:21 Speaker 3: public good. As long as we've vetted it, and we

15:23 Speaker 3: do our best. So I do understand why these investigations

15:28 Speaker 3: are going. And maybe you have a different opinion, but

15:30 Speaker 3: I understand it.

15:31 Speaker 2: No, yeah, no idea, Yeah, totally agree, sure, because I

15:35 Speaker 2: mean there might be foreign agents involved in this stuff.

15:38 Speaker 2: They're very interested in our UFO programs and what we

15:41 Speaker 2: know about this issue for sure.

15:43 Speaker 3: Yeah, And you and I have been notified by numerous

15:46 Speaker 3: agencies at different times when there's a new hack to

15:49 Speaker 3: signal or that kind of thing, so we can sure

15:51 Speaker 3: up our security when it because you know, agencies know

15:54 Speaker 3: that we have people leak into us all the time

15:56 Speaker 3: information and they're more concerned that foreign nation will get

16:01 Speaker 3: it then impeding upon the work of journalists. So I

16:04 Speaker 3: kind of admire that if it actually stays that way.

16:06 Speaker 3: But that's what you and I have experienced, So I

16:08 Speaker 3: don't know. Hopefully we find you and I find the

16:13 Speaker 3: time during this season, which I know we will have

16:15 Speaker 3: weaponized to put out information that we've vetted and we

16:18 Speaker 3: think is worthy of public discourse.

16:21 Speaker 4: Is that what you call it? Tease, Jeremy, I'm.

16:24 Speaker 3: Just saying, man, I'm just saying it's hard. You know,

16:27 Speaker 3: we got to make sure it's like worthy, Like what

16:29 Speaker 3: do they say, like the juice is worth the squeeze.

16:32 Speaker 3: That's what you and I have been kind of wrestling

16:33 Speaker 3: with for some of it.

16:34 Speaker 2: So Sean Kirkpatrick has now said they have around forty

16:37 Speaker 2: people working for Arrow. That's great. You know, we haven't

16:41 Speaker 2: known how many people they had working. They wouldn't even

16:44 Speaker 2: tell Congress what kind of budget they had or anything,

16:47 Speaker 2: or how many staff members.

16:48 Speaker 4: They had.

16:49 Speaker 2: Forty people working for Arrow, that's great. We'd like to

16:51 Speaker 2: hear from some of them.

16:52 Speaker 4: Maybe.

16:53 Speaker 2: I mean, I wonder how those folks go to work

16:55 Speaker 2: every day trying to figure out these UFO cases, UAP incidents,

16:59 Speaker 2: and then they have kirk Patrick saying, you know, we've

17:01 Speaker 2: explained pretty much all of them. I wonder if those

17:04 Speaker 2: folks go along with that, if they're frustrated. But whatever,

17:07 Speaker 2: we're not bashing their work. We're just saying asking questions

17:11 Speaker 2: about their boss and what he is sharing with the public.

17:14 Speaker 3: Right And I think you and I are asking that

17:16 Speaker 3: because we have a little bit of insight into the

17:18 Speaker 3: inner mechanics of how stuff is being portrayed publicly compared

17:22 Speaker 3: to you know, whatever information they may be getting. So look,

17:26 Speaker 3: bottom line, let's bottom line it, because we're about to

17:28 Speaker 3: talk about what happened last week, which is really interesting

17:31 Speaker 3: with doctor Lekatski and doctor Colin Kelleher. I think people

17:34 Speaker 3: need to hear how we took that interview that we

17:37 Speaker 3: did last week. But you know, before that, I think

17:41 Speaker 3: just looking at the idea that okay, great, you're looking

17:44 Speaker 3: at military cases, trying to discern what shape is this?

17:48 Speaker 3: Is this AUFO? What's going on here? Hold on, hold on.

17:54 Speaker 3: If we have craft and we are exploiting those craft

17:59 Speaker 3: and they are UFOs, this is a charade, an absolute

18:04 Speaker 3: total charade. Arrow is a charade. And if that's the case,

18:09 Speaker 3: it's really frustrating. And unfortunately I believe that to be

18:13 Speaker 3: the case. And there's a reason why. So last week

18:16 Speaker 3: you asked your pal, doctor James Lakatski, who is a

18:20 Speaker 3: career DIA intelligence in individual who ran the UFO program

18:25 Speaker 3: for the United States government with doctor Colin Kellerher, who

18:29 Speaker 3: is the project manager when they got the contract for

18:32 Speaker 3: this DIA program, and we had him on. Only you

18:35 Speaker 3: could get guys like this on. Doctor Lakaski doesn't do

18:37 Speaker 3: a bunch of interviews. He's a buy the book kind

18:39 Speaker 3: of guy. So there he is, and we're reading through

18:42 Speaker 3: his book and you show me a certain paragraph and

18:47 Speaker 3: in there he straight admits it. He admits that our

18:51 Speaker 3: government has a UFO in their possession. He admits that

18:55 Speaker 3: they're trying to open it up, that they have an

18:57 Speaker 3: exploitation program with the idea for verse engineering, and then

19:02 Speaker 3: he admits they were able to breach the hull. And

19:05 Speaker 3: it's you just fly by it in the book, but

19:08 Speaker 3: it's so frustrating. I wanted to really look. They're friends

19:11 Speaker 3: of ours in a way, like we're not against them.

19:12 Speaker 3: We understand they have to hold secrecy. That's why they

19:15 Speaker 3: have these positions of power within the DIA, because they're trustworthy.

19:20 Speaker 3: But they'd done did set it, they wrote it in

19:23 Speaker 3: the book. So you and I pushed. We pushed really

19:25 Speaker 3: damn hard, and it was frustrating for us, and sure

19:28 Speaker 3: enough we get him to say, yes, those events happened.

19:31 Speaker 3: What I said is true, and that's as far as

19:34 Speaker 3: they can go.

19:36 Speaker 2: I understand why many of our listeners express frustration with

19:40 Speaker 2: the interview, because there's only so far that doctor Lakatski

19:43 Speaker 2: and Colin Kelleher were willing to go, and beyond that,

19:46 Speaker 2: they're just not going to talk about it. That approach

19:49 Speaker 2: has served doctor Lakatski well. I mean, he was a

19:52 Speaker 2: career intelligence analyst. He worked for DIA for a couple

19:55 Speaker 2: of decades in the Defense Warning Office. He's he's walked

19:58 Speaker 2: the walk and talked the tall and he does not

20:01 Speaker 2: really support full disclosure of everything right away. He's done

20:07 Speaker 2: it a bit at a time what he can get

20:09 Speaker 2: away with. So, you know, we had skinwalkers at the

20:12 Speaker 2: Pentagon where we revealed a lot about os APP.

20:15 Speaker 4: If not for doctor.

20:16 Speaker 2: Lakatski coming forward to me and Harry Reid in twenty eighteen,

20:20 Speaker 2: we wouldn't know anything about it.

20:21 Speaker 4: We would have still had.

20:22 Speaker 2: The New York Times story about a tip as been

20:26 Speaker 2: the only record about that period of history of UFO history.

20:29 Speaker 2: But we met with him in Washington on Saint Patrick's

20:33 Speaker 2: Day in twenty eighteen, and he laid it out about

20:36 Speaker 2: the ASAPP program that had received twenty two million dollars,

20:40 Speaker 2: what they did with the money. Shown showed me a

20:43 Speaker 2: variety of documentation that backed up what he had to say.

20:47 Speaker 2: And if he had not come forward at that point

20:50 Speaker 2: and in subsequent releases and interviews, we wouldn't know anything

20:54 Speaker 2: about this stuff. So I understand people's frustrations. But we've

20:57 Speaker 2: already learned a heck of a lot from doctor Lakatski

21:00 Speaker 2: about what the government knew, and he has done it

21:02 Speaker 2: incrementally as he could get away with it with with

21:06 Speaker 2: permission from the Dopster process for the books, the two books.

21:10 Speaker 2: The Dopster approved this this new book back in April,

21:14 Speaker 2: and it approved basically the manuscript back in April.

21:17 Speaker 4: We've tinkered with it and I'm a co author. We

21:20 Speaker 4: tickerd with some of the content since then. But Laktski

21:24 Speaker 4: wanted to include the fact that, yeah, it's true, we

21:26 Speaker 4: do have a craft. This is I think.

21:28 Speaker 2: Before Grussia's big revelations before Congress, and you know, he

21:33 Speaker 2: was he was acknowledging that we've got one that we

21:35 Speaker 2: gained access to the middle. He could not say where

21:38 Speaker 2: it is, he could not say who has it, He

21:41 Speaker 2: couldn't say who exactly got into the into the craft itself,

21:44 Speaker 2: but he shared with us what he could. That's that's

21:46 Speaker 2: what he could do without going to prison.

21:50 Speaker 3: Right, I mean, so look, it's like stepping back a second.

21:53 Speaker 3: Doctor Lukatski admittedly, so that the negative that I've heard

21:57 Speaker 3: about him, is that like he's glib and he like

21:59 Speaker 3: like holding these secrets that I don't see it that

22:02 Speaker 3: way at all. You know, he's a patriot, he's worked

22:05 Speaker 3: in the DIA. You know, he ran this UFO program.

22:08 Speaker 3: That's heroic of him to get that through the dopts

22:11 Speaker 3: or process where they look at what can you say

22:13 Speaker 3: publicly and print it in a book? You know, he's

22:16 Speaker 3: just a buy the book kind of guy, which you've

22:18 Speaker 3: said is the kind of guy you want in our

22:20 Speaker 3: intelligence agencies. But it sounds like you've had a lot

22:24 Speaker 3: of interaction. I know you've been a fly in a

22:27 Speaker 3: wall in a lot of places. You have a little

22:29 Speaker 3: extra information that I think is public, so you can

22:32 Speaker 3: kind of push a little bit, and I can push

22:34 Speaker 3: a little bit to try to get more out. But

22:36 Speaker 3: I think don't let that be lost on you. So

22:39 Speaker 3: if you watch that whole last episode of Weaponized again,

22:42 Speaker 3: it's not that you see somebody trying to hide anything.

22:46 Speaker 3: The guy is on our podcast, for God's sake. I mean,

22:49 Speaker 3: he's coming out trying to tell you something, but he

22:52 Speaker 3: just has confines of which he can do that One

22:56 Speaker 3: news station did pick it up, you know, News Nation

22:59 Speaker 3: is really like on this UFO thing now, and they

23:02 Speaker 3: really picked it up when they saw that episode. They're like,

23:04 Speaker 3: wait a second, Wait a second, you're saying the head

23:08 Speaker 3: of the DAUFO program straight up admitted, did we have

23:12 Speaker 3: a UFO? The government does. We've been exploiting it and

23:15 Speaker 3: we got inside the hall. I'm like, yep, They're like,

23:17 Speaker 3: come on the news. So I did that yesterday. It

23:20 Speaker 3: was also to promote. By the way, I just want

23:21 Speaker 3: to say, there's a two parts special on George Now.

23:24 Speaker 3: They released part one last week and by the time

23:27 Speaker 3: you hear this, part two will have been released. And

23:30 Speaker 3: look it up. It's so cool, George. I just got

23:32 Speaker 3: to take a second. It shows your reporting from the

23:35 Speaker 3: mob to politics to UFOs. It shows how you got

23:39 Speaker 3: on this weird and wild path into UFO investigating with

23:43 Speaker 3: the Bob Blazar interview as kind of like the thing

23:46 Speaker 3: that happened right after you interviewed John Lear and he

23:49 Speaker 3: laid out this hypothesis of what's going on with the

23:52 Speaker 3: government covering up UFOs. It was just such a cool thing.

23:55 Speaker 3: I know you hate that kind of stuff, but as

23:58 Speaker 3: a as a fan of this topic, to see how

24:00 Speaker 3: we got to where we are. You were saying things

24:03 Speaker 3: thirty seven years ago that, like now we know are true,

24:08 Speaker 3: and I know you didn't believe it back then you

24:10 Speaker 3: were investigating it. But man, that's got to be kind

24:12 Speaker 3: of weird, George, to see your whole life out on

24:14 Speaker 3: display when it comes to your investigations on another news network.

24:20 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's weird. It's odd. And I have not seen

24:23 Speaker 4: that part one yet.

24:24 Speaker 2: I just saw the first ten minutes of it because

24:26 Speaker 2: Sunday night I have a radio show, so I'm prepping

24:29 Speaker 2: for that. I've got it recorded and I'll probably watch

24:31 Speaker 2: it later today or something, but I have not seen

24:33 Speaker 2: part two. But yeah, it is weird to see all

24:36 Speaker 2: that unfold. And thank god they haven't got my whole

24:40 Speaker 2: life the show on television. There's chunks of it that

24:44 Speaker 2: would not be pretty. But yeah, it's interesting that the

24:48 Speaker 2: ideas and concepts that we pursued thirty six thirty seven

24:52 Speaker 2: years ago, and that people had a hard time swallowing

24:56 Speaker 2: back then, are now almost mainstream. I mean, we've come

24:59 Speaker 2: a long way, but it's the same stuff the Lazaarre

25:02 Speaker 2: and others said back then is coming is coming to

25:06 Speaker 2: Fruition now and hopefully he keeps marching forward.

25:10 Speaker 3: Yeah, that news the guy Brian who did the news

25:14 Speaker 3: report that I was on yesterday, he was like, look,

25:17 Speaker 3: for most people, this is kind of new information. I

25:20 Speaker 3: was like frustrated. I was like, this is like the

25:22 Speaker 3: movie don't look up. It's been so obvious. This has

25:25 Speaker 3: been said, you know, for so long. And he's like,

25:27 Speaker 3: but for most people who were not as educated on this,

25:31 Speaker 3: And I was kind of set back. I'm like, Okay, no,

25:34 Speaker 3: I get it. You're right, You're right. Let's start, you know,

25:36 Speaker 3: at a level one here.

25:38 Speaker 4: Yeah.

25:38 Speaker 6: I think it's a lot to process, though, Jeremy. I mean,

25:40 Speaker 6: you interview people every day. This is sort of your specialty.

25:43 Speaker 6: For guys like me mostly on the outside. You know,

25:47 Speaker 6: it's a lot to take in. But what's interesting since

25:49 Speaker 6: I've been interviewing and studying George Knapp, your sort of

25:52 Speaker 6: partner in crime who's been doing this for almost forty years,

25:55 Speaker 6: you know, a lot of the stuff that you're breaking

25:58 Speaker 6: now and the things that people are saying now he

25:59 Speaker 6: was reporting you know, decades ago, like like with Bob Lazar,

26:04 Speaker 6: another person who worked out an area fifty one saw

26:08 Speaker 6: things and then first spoke with uh spoke with George

26:11 Speaker 6: decades ago. I want to play you a clip from

26:13 Speaker 6: the special on Sunday with Bob Lazar.

26:17 Speaker 5: What's going on up there could be the most important

26:19 Speaker 5: event in history. You're talking about contact, physical, physical contact

26:26 Speaker 5: and proof from another system, another planet, another intelligence. That's

26:31 Speaker 5: got to be the biggest event in history period. And

26:34 Speaker 5: it's real and it's real and it's there.

26:37 Speaker 3: But I want to bring us into so this idea

26:40 Speaker 3: that doctor Lekatski came on our show and he verbally

26:43 Speaker 3: and on camera made this admission. It was a huge deal.

26:48 Speaker 3: Is you're officially allowed to tell us that the United

26:51 Speaker 3: States government has in its possession of craft of unknown

26:54 Speaker 3: origin and you were able to access the inside. Is

26:58 Speaker 3: that correct? The wording that you're you read is correct. Ah,

27:04 Speaker 3: you're going beyond the wording. No, I'm not, I'm not.

27:07 Speaker 3: I'm asking you did that mind happen? And is that true?

27:12 Speaker 3: And it's true? You're you're telling us you told us

27:17 Speaker 3: because you were allowed to tell us that our government

27:19 Speaker 3: has a UF and it's possession and has been able

27:22 Speaker 3: to access the inside of it. Right. Yes. It made

27:26 Speaker 3: me kind of go back and look at the archives

27:28 Speaker 3: and one of the things that I found was this guy,

27:32 Speaker 3: this researcher, this you have a researcher named Bob Exler,

27:36 Speaker 3: and he had this kind of famously in my mind,

27:39 Speaker 3: he had this interview with Admiral Bobby ray Inman, and

27:45 Speaker 3: Admiral Inman was I mean, this guy was was. His

27:50 Speaker 3: career was incredible. So so to let me break this

27:53 Speaker 3: down real quick, I want to play some clips and

27:54 Speaker 3: get your thoughts, George. So, Bob Exler was a National

27:59 Speaker 3: Mission special so a serious guy. From what I understand

28:02 Speaker 3: from looking through his history, he interviewed Admiral Inman and

28:06 Speaker 3: that was once Inman was out of the military, but

28:09 Speaker 3: Admiral Inman just checked this out, this guy in military

28:12 Speaker 3: and intelligence. He was the director of the DNI, the

28:17 Speaker 3: Naval Intelligence until nineteen seventy six, which is the role

28:21 Speaker 3: the same role that Scott Bray now holds. From what

28:25 Speaker 3: I understand, so Scott Bray was one of the guys

28:27 Speaker 3: that was kind of like, nothing to see here, move

28:30 Speaker 3: along in that first UFO hearing. So that's Inman held

28:33 Speaker 3: that role back in nineteen seventy six. Then he was

28:37 Speaker 3: the vice director of the DA until nineteen seventy seven.

28:41 Speaker 3: Then he was the director of the NSSAY until nineteen

28:44 Speaker 3: eighty one, then the deputy director of the CIA until

28:49 Speaker 3: nineteen eighty two, So nineteen eighty one and eighty two

28:52 Speaker 3: he was both the director of the NSA and the

28:54 Speaker 3: CIA simultaneously, which is crazy because he'd write one thing

28:58 Speaker 3: that he wanted authorized and he did himself from what

29:01 Speaker 3: I hear, so it was a lot of power this

29:03 Speaker 3: guy had. So this is a guy in position to

29:05 Speaker 3: know with that said he oh, by the way, and

29:09 Speaker 3: then private industry, so like after his military career he

29:13 Speaker 3: became he went on the board of SAIC Science Applications

29:18 Speaker 3: International Corporation. What is SAICE, George.

29:21 Speaker 2: Well, that's one of those big Pentagon contractors. Those two

29:25 Speaker 2: of us who believe there is UFO information and craft

29:28 Speaker 2: and materials stashed suspect that SAIC would be one of

29:32 Speaker 2: the likely candidates to get that stuff. It's right in

29:35 Speaker 2: the heart of the larger conspiracy. Lowre. You can't prove

29:40 Speaker 2: it for sure, but you know there are a lot

29:42 Speaker 2: of arrows pointing towards SAIC as being directly involved with this.

29:46 Speaker 4: So when he.

29:47 Speaker 2: Leaves all those multi letter agencies and then goes to SAIC,

29:52 Speaker 2: another acronym. You know, a lot of eyebrows were raised

29:56 Speaker 2: and suspicions. And Bob Exler, as you mentioned, he was

29:59 Speaker 2: a U. He got into the UFO field in the

30:02 Speaker 2: late eighties, right around the time that I joined that

30:06 Speaker 2: the cause the investigation, and stayed into it.

30:08 Speaker 4: In the mid nineties.

30:09 Speaker 2: He played a role in the Bob Lazart investigation that

30:12 Speaker 2: we can talk about later. But he knew the enough

30:15 Speaker 2: of the lingo to talk his way into a phone

30:18 Speaker 2: call with Bobby ray Enman, and Wow, the stuff that

30:21 Speaker 2: came out and what Inman thought was an off the

30:23 Speaker 2: record conversation is pretty amazing.

30:25 Speaker 3: Yeah, so we'll talk about an admission from a DIA

30:28 Speaker 3: official when it comes to doctor Lakatski, but he was

30:31 Speaker 3: authorized to admit, you know, the three things he did

30:35 Speaker 3: that our government has at least one UFO, that we've

30:38 Speaker 3: been exploiting it, trying to get inside of it, and

30:40 Speaker 3: that we did that we got inside the hall. So

30:42 Speaker 3: that's one thing that we learned. But going back to

30:45 Speaker 3: this excellent interview that I found, I want to see

30:47 Speaker 3: what you think about it. So the first clip is

30:50 Speaker 3: just him kind of giving us a basic understanding of

30:53 Speaker 3: where he's coming from you. He talks about the paper trail,

30:56 Speaker 3: and I think that is how you got involved with

30:59 Speaker 3: this too, is that our government is hiding something from us,

31:02 Speaker 3: and that pissed you off. So let me play this

31:04 Speaker 3: first clip with Bob Exler. What is it twenty four seconds.

31:09 Speaker 3: I just want you to hear what he said, and

31:11 Speaker 3: this is probably nineteen ninety seven, just for context. Let's

31:15 Speaker 3: hear what he has to say.

31:16 Speaker 1: I started out extremely skeptical about this whole thing.

31:19 Speaker 4: I thought this was just rubbish from the tabloids.

31:21 Speaker 1: But I was surprised to find thousands of US government

31:25 Speaker 1: documents from intelligence agencies that tended to indicate that there

31:29 Speaker 1: was a little bit more to this than met the eye.

31:31 Speaker 1: So I went to seek guidance from the various highest

31:34 Speaker 1: levels of the United States intelligence community, and I was

31:37 Speaker 1: quite alarmed at what I was able to learn.

31:40 Speaker 3: Does that sound familiar to you that?

31:46 Speaker 4: Yeah?

31:47 Speaker 2: I think we met Exler in nineteen eighty nine at

31:50 Speaker 2: the MUFON conference and then stayed in touch with him

31:52 Speaker 2: over the next couple of years until up to that point.

31:56 Speaker 2: And yeah, his voice rings a bell with me. Sure, Yeah, I.

32:00 Speaker 3: Mean also just like getting hooked on it because you

32:02 Speaker 3: realize there's all these documents that are leading towards we're

32:05 Speaker 3: studying UFOs. We take it very seriously. He got hooked

32:08 Speaker 3: and he had access. That's kind of what happened to you.

32:10 Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, That's exactly the path I followed.

32:13 Speaker 3: All right, So let's now listen. There's just a fifty

32:15 Speaker 3: eight second thing, a new thing, you know, from that

32:18 Speaker 3: same interview. I want to lead us into this interview

32:20 Speaker 3: that he had with Admiral Inman, who made an absolute

32:24 Speaker 3: astonishing admission. So let's hear him. Set it up again.

32:28 Speaker 3: This is Bob Exler, who was investigating this, you know,

32:32 Speaker 3: a NASAs specialist who really got bit by the UFO.

32:35 Speaker 3: Boger was like, I want to find out what's going on.

32:36 Speaker 3: Here's his next little clip.

32:38 Speaker 1: Well, I had contacted Admiral Bobby ray Enman, who was

32:41 Speaker 1: the head of the National Security Agency in the United States,

32:44 Speaker 1: Deputy director at CIA, director of Naval Intelligence, and a

32:48 Speaker 1: variety of intelligence posts, a technologist, and clearly someone that

32:53 Speaker 1: if this was really accurate, that there really were UFOs

32:56 Speaker 1: and non human intelligence around this as a man who

33:00 Speaker 1: had to know. So I was able to contact him

33:03 Speaker 1: thanks to contact through Admiral Lord Hill Norton here in

33:06 Speaker 1: the UK, and this conversation he alarmingly not only indicated

33:13 Speaker 1: that these issues were covered under national secrecy laws, but

33:16 Speaker 1: that the United States government did in fact have possession

33:19 Speaker 1: of the hardware associated with this. In other words, this

33:21 Speaker 1: was an actual physical phenomenon.

33:23 Speaker 3: As the craft a spaceship, several.

33:25 Speaker 1: Of them, and they were in operational condition, which I

33:27 Speaker 1: assume suggested that they had been in contact, that they

33:31 Speaker 1: had been given these craft for some reason or another,

33:33 Speaker 1: because they certainly weren't crashed vehicles.

33:35 Speaker 3: Wow. So here's a guy, he's a UNFO investigator, he's

33:38 Speaker 3: got high credibility, he's got some insight in the intelligence

33:41 Speaker 3: community because of his role in NASA, and he's like,

33:44 Speaker 3: I'm going to call this guy Admiral Inman and I'm

33:47 Speaker 3: going to get through to him. Now. I don't think

33:49 Speaker 3: he legally recorded this recording you're about to hear, but

33:53 Speaker 3: it was an admission. He said, we have craft. They're

33:56 Speaker 3: not just crashed, almost as like they're given to us,

33:58 Speaker 3: which would mean we have some sort of communication. Where

34:01 Speaker 3: have we heard this.

34:01 Speaker 4: Before, Bob Bazaar maybe, yeah, yeah.

34:07 Speaker 3: And a lot. And now now where we are now

34:10 Speaker 3: that there's multiple craft, not just one like Lakatski. Doctor

34:13 Speaker 3: Lakotski was able to admit, but like multiple craft. So

34:16 Speaker 3: let's let's play this audio and again understand the gravity.

34:20 Speaker 3: Who's talking with this former head of the CIA d

34:24 Speaker 3: n I, I mean nssay. This guy was involved in

34:27 Speaker 3: every intelligence agency. He was a really respected and really

34:31 Speaker 3: trusted guy. I don't think he knew he was being recorded.

34:34 Speaker 3: He was talking with a colleague, is what he thought.

34:36 Speaker 3: But wow, let me play this for you twenty five seconds.

34:39 Speaker 3: Just hear what he said.

34:41 Speaker 7: Do you anticipate that any of the recovered that vehicles

34:46 Speaker 7: would ever be uh become available for technological research outside

34:52 Speaker 7: of the military circles. Yeah, honestly, uh Ago the answer

34:58 Speaker 7: a little bit ou whether its time is evolved.

35:01 Speaker 3: They're beginning to a couple of open on it as

35:04 Speaker 3: a possibility. So ten years ago, he says, the answer

35:08 Speaker 3: would have been, no, none of this is coming out.

35:11 Speaker 3: It's not going to get out to this broader scientific community.

35:14 Speaker 3: So that would have made it about nineteen eighty seven.

35:17 Speaker 3: No way. But he's saying maybe now, maybe, now this

35:20 Speaker 3: stuff is going to be able to leak out again.

35:23 Speaker 3: This is in ninety seven. Here we are in twenty

35:25 Speaker 3: twenty four. We're just starting to see maybe some of

35:29 Speaker 3: this kind of coming out. Maybe maybe this big mystery

35:33 Speaker 3: is going to crack open a little bit.

35:35 Speaker 2: Yeah, twenty six years later, we're finally seeing little glimpses

35:38 Speaker 2: of it. I don't think that the leaks, what we're

35:41 Speaker 2: getting right now is part of some master plan, though.

35:44 Speaker 2: I think that the hand of those folks keeping the

35:46 Speaker 2: secrets has been forced on this. And we know right

35:49 Speaker 2: now that they pushback is underway in Washington at the

35:52 Speaker 2: Pentagon and other places. They're trying to plug the leaks

35:56 Speaker 2: right now.

35:58 Speaker 3: Right And So another thing that happened this week that's

36:01 Speaker 3: really interesting, or last week, is that they got a

36:05 Speaker 3: skiff for David Grush to be able to go into

36:08 Speaker 3: or the documents that he has, the reports that he

36:11 Speaker 3: has go into and inform people like Representative Birchett and

36:15 Speaker 3: others who have the authority. So finally they got that skiff.

36:19 Speaker 3: Do you remember that it was so weird? You and

36:21 Speaker 3: I have been in skiffs. That's no problem for us.

36:24 Speaker 3: Why wouldn't they let you know, a decorated intelligence officer

36:28 Speaker 3: tell Congress for overset what they need to know. Well,

36:31 Speaker 3: luckily we're there and we saw a post by Representative

36:36 Speaker 3: Luna that they got the skiff, and I confirmed that

36:39 Speaker 3: with Representative Birchett. So they're going to be able to

36:43 Speaker 3: hear what David Grush couldn't say in the congressional hearing.

36:47 Speaker 3: Are you optimistic about that?

36:51 Speaker 2: I'll believe it when I see it. I mean, they've

36:53 Speaker 2: already run into substantial opposition from within their own party

36:56 Speaker 2: in the House, and you know, I suspect that there's

36:59 Speaker 2: the hand of some Pentagon folks and defense contractors who's

37:03 Speaker 2: been pressuring senior members of the House, the Republican leadership

37:08 Speaker 2: to stop this, which is why there's been a problem

37:10 Speaker 2: in getting a skiff approved, which is ridiculous. They should

37:13 Speaker 2: have had that as soon as they wanted it, asked

37:15 Speaker 2: for it. I'm hopeful that they get to hear it.

37:18 Speaker 2: I'm hopeful the week the public gets to learn some

37:20 Speaker 2: of what they are shared with. But it might be

37:23 Speaker 2: a test case where they're going to give them little

37:25 Speaker 2: breadcrumbs and see who leaks what to see how much

37:29 Speaker 2: further information they'll get down the line.

37:32 Speaker 3: And for our audience that's listening or watching, if you

37:34 Speaker 3: don't know what a skiff is. It's just a secure

37:37 Speaker 3: facility where you can transmit classified information if everybody in

37:40 Speaker 3: that skiff has the proper clearance. So it's one thing

37:44 Speaker 3: to get a skiff, but it's another thing to make

37:45 Speaker 3: sure that everybody has proper clearance. But from what I understand,

37:49 Speaker 3: David Grush is going to be able to tell them

37:53 Speaker 3: not only the program names for these exploitation or reverse

37:58 Speaker 3: engineering programs for UFO, but he's also gonna be able

38:02 Speaker 3: to tell them a list of hostile and non hostile witnesses,

38:05 Speaker 3: people that want to talk and tell you that they've

38:07 Speaker 3: been working on these craft. First direct first hand individuals

38:12 Speaker 3: working on non human intelligence craft, but also from program

38:17 Speaker 3: names to this direct testimony of people working on the

38:21 Speaker 3: crafts that kind of thing, but also the locations, the locations,

38:27 Speaker 3: the holding locations of these non human intelligence craft. Look, man,

38:32 Speaker 3: that will be huge. If you got somebody like Representative

38:36 Speaker 3: birch It in there and he hears this information like

38:39 Speaker 3: he'll keep it confident, but he will push even harder

38:42 Speaker 3: to get that information out. And with that meeting coming

38:45 Speaker 3: up with the DoD Inspector General, Man, it feels to

38:49 Speaker 3: me like it's colliding, like everything's colliding. Like I am

38:53 Speaker 3: optimistic because we have rogue individuals trying to do it right.

38:57 Speaker 3: Like David Gresh, I feel like we're gonna make progres

39:00 Speaker 3: that really hope, So I'm optimistic.

39:03 Speaker 4: I am too.

39:04 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, we've talked about it before on

39:06 Speaker 2: this program and elsewhere that national security implications are inherent

39:11 Speaker 2: in this topic. You can't get around it because the technology,

39:14 Speaker 2: if you could figure out how to reverse engineer it,

39:16 Speaker 2: how it works, it'd be an incredible boon to our

39:20 Speaker 2: defense establishment, to the Pentagon, DoD intelligence agencies, everybody. I mean,

39:25 Speaker 2: the weapons potential alone would be tremendous. We're worried that

39:29 Speaker 2: our adversaries are doing the same thing that Russia and

39:31 Speaker 2: China and maybe some other countries are investigating this and

39:35 Speaker 2: trying to get a leap forward in technology as an

39:38 Speaker 2: advantage over US. So national security is baked into this,

39:42 Speaker 2: which is one reason that James Lukatski has been reluctant

39:45 Speaker 2: to spill all the beans that he might know. He

39:48 Speaker 2: worries that appearing before Congress, even behind closed doors, would

39:53 Speaker 2: lead to leaks, and it would be the equivalent of

39:56 Speaker 2: telling Congress would almost be like telling Red China in

39:59 Speaker 2: some world that I have heard. So, you know, I

40:02 Speaker 2: know people are mad at him because he didn't tell

40:04 Speaker 2: everything he knew at once, but of course, you know

40:07 Speaker 2: in UFL world, people are always mad about something. But

40:11 Speaker 2: he told us what he could, what he was authorized

40:13 Speaker 2: to say, and didn't want to go beyond it. But

40:16 Speaker 2: he's hoping to push the topic forward in coming months

40:21 Speaker 2: and years. So I know people are mad at James

40:24 Speaker 2: Lekaski right now, but I think he went as far

40:26 Speaker 2: as he can and as he has told us, there

40:29 Speaker 2: are national security implications baked into this topic and that

40:33 Speaker 2: will apply to Tim Burchett and Luna and other members

40:35 Speaker 2: of Congress who want to push the ball forward.

40:39 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm really glad you brought that up. And people

40:41 Speaker 3: are kind of like pissed. They watch last Weaponize. They

40:44 Speaker 3: think he's being evasive, and doctor Colin Keller her too.

40:47 Speaker 3: But I'm going to remind everybody. So doctor Lelkaski made

40:50 Speaker 3: it clear. He says national security is the number one

40:53 Speaker 3: most important thing. This is the kind of guy we

40:55 Speaker 3: trust in the DA. You know, he's doing his best.

40:59 Speaker 3: He says, I'm not for disclosure when it hurts national security.

41:03 Speaker 3: But you know, obviously he is to some degree because

41:05 Speaker 3: he's trying, he's making an effort to get this information out.

41:09 Speaker 3: I will remind people that when we interviewed doctor kellaher

41:13 Speaker 3: on our show, that was the first time we had

41:16 Speaker 3: somebody running as the program manager for the acknowledged UFO

41:20 Speaker 3: program called OSSEP. He admitted that we had UFOs in

41:25 Speaker 3: government possession. He just came right up to that line

41:29 Speaker 3: and when I asked him, he said yes, And that

41:32 Speaker 3: was a bombshell. Back then, there were no details. Before

41:35 Speaker 3: this new book, there were no details. He just says, yes,

41:39 Speaker 3: we have them, and I'm like, oh cool. So that

41:43 Speaker 3: was something that we were able to break back then.

41:45 Speaker 3: But now there's more meat on the bone with doctor

41:47 Speaker 3: Lukowski giving a little bit more information that we were

41:49 Speaker 3: exploiting it, trying to get inside the hole and we did.

41:53 Speaker 3: So Look, there's another thing I want to play for you.

41:56 Speaker 3: There's this little clip. There was this guy named Tom

41:58 Speaker 3: King who was in Admiral Inman's office. So after Exler

42:03 Speaker 3: made this, you know, announcement on television, or maybe just

42:07 Speaker 3: before that, he's like, can I go public with this?

42:10 Speaker 3: And they were like Nope, it would be a big problem.

42:13 Speaker 3: And it was just a cool little audio. They left

42:15 Speaker 3: it on his voicemail and I thought we should play

42:17 Speaker 3: it because this is the kind of call you and

42:19 Speaker 3: I have got. This is the kind of call where like, no,

42:21 Speaker 3: don't do that. So I just want to play this

42:23 Speaker 3: real quick at seventeen seconds. But listen to this guy,

42:26 Speaker 3: Tom King from Admiral Inman's office kind of tell Exler,

42:29 Speaker 3: don't go public with this. Check this out, mitter Ekler.

42:33 Speaker 4: This is Tom King and em Inland's office.

42:36 Speaker 2: Yes, you would be breaching the confidence and or violation.

42:41 Speaker 3: Laws and discussing his involvement in any matter. Right, so

42:47 Speaker 3: you you would be breaching not only confidence, but it

42:50 Speaker 3: would be a violation of laws in discussing, you know,

42:54 Speaker 3: Admiral Inman's involvement in any manner. I mean, man, that

42:59 Speaker 3: kind of call is really it sucks to gain.

43:03 Speaker 4: Yeah. I love that mood music that was playing in

43:05 Speaker 4: the background there. I don't know whether it was in

43:07 Speaker 4: a hookah lounge or what was that.

43:09 Speaker 3: That was just I grabbed something online where I got

43:11 Speaker 3: the audio and it had like dramatic music from a TV.

43:15 Speaker 2: Well, I would just say that there are you know,

43:17 Speaker 2: the pushback is real. There are people that do not

43:19 Speaker 2: want this to come forward. That was nineteen ninety seven

43:22 Speaker 2: when those exchanges happened. We're still waiting for that crowd

43:27 Speaker 2: to come forward with what they know. I would remind

43:30 Speaker 2: people that Lakatski and Kelleher and Bigelow, when they were

43:33 Speaker 2: involved with OSAP, they were trying to track this stuff down.

43:37 Speaker 2: In Skinwalkers at the Pentagon, we had a section where

43:40 Speaker 2: we described one reason for the demise of ASAP is

43:43 Speaker 2: they went knocking on the doors of people who were

43:45 Speaker 2: the keepers of the secrets, trying to access what they

43:49 Speaker 2: thought was the reverse engineering program, and the doors were

43:52 Speaker 2: slammed in their face, and then the knives were out

43:54 Speaker 2: for ASAP, and that was the beginning of the end

43:56 Speaker 2: for the program.

43:58 Speaker 3: I noticed few more clips I want to play where

44:02 Speaker 3: Bob Exler kind of goes big picture, like what you know,

44:06 Speaker 3: why the secrecy? Because everybody wants to know this, Why

44:09 Speaker 3: the secrecy? Why no great photographs? Like why the secrecy?

44:13 Speaker 3: But but before I do that, I remember in our

44:15 Speaker 3: last episode of Weaponized, I mean you were getting pretty

44:18 Speaker 3: annoyed too, You're getting pretty heated, and you asked them

44:21 Speaker 3: because you felt like, gosh, let's just say it. But

44:24 Speaker 3: one of the things you really focused in on is, look,

44:26 Speaker 3: you guys went so doctor Colin kelliher and doctor Lucatski,

44:30 Speaker 3: we're trying to figure out where the good as you say,

44:32 Speaker 3: the goodies are held, where the UFOs, where the saucers

44:35 Speaker 3: are held, and you're really pushing them on that. Can

44:37 Speaker 3: you can you explain that a little bit?

44:40 Speaker 2: Well, you know, you can sense that we I've had

44:43 Speaker 2: these conversations before with those guys, you know, in private,

44:47 Speaker 2: and it has gone a little bit further, well much

44:50 Speaker 2: further than than what we're allowed to say in public.

44:52 Speaker 2: So I was trying to encourage doctor Lekotski to use

44:56 Speaker 2: the platform available to go ahead and say more about it.

44:59 Speaker 2: And I wasn't getting anywhere with either one of them.

45:02 Speaker 2: They're my friends, they're my co authors. I know them

45:05 Speaker 2: really well and you do too, So you know, we

45:08 Speaker 2: wanted to get what we could while the moment was

45:11 Speaker 2: available to us, you know, So we tried, and we're

45:15 Speaker 2: still in good terms with those guys, but you know

45:18 Speaker 2: that's our job was to try to push it a

45:20 Speaker 2: little bit further.

45:21 Speaker 3: Yeah, and they respect it, and I'm sure in some

45:24 Speaker 3: way like they want to be pushed further. And I

45:26 Speaker 3: think we definitely got Lakatski just that one millimeter further.

45:31 Speaker 3: When he says yes, it's true, Yes it happened or whatever, I.

45:34 Speaker 4: Was like, wow.

45:35 Speaker 3: So but yeah, it's got to be frustrating to you

45:38 Speaker 3: all these years. You know, again looking back, if you

45:40 Speaker 3: watch those you know, the New Special Match, you see

45:43 Speaker 3: that you've been on this case from the beginning. I mean,

45:46 Speaker 3: everything John Lee was saying to you was savage, so

45:48 Speaker 3: crazy back in the day in nineteen eighty seven or

45:51 Speaker 3: whenever you first interviewed him. But like along the way,

45:54 Speaker 3: we've learned so much of this is real. So I

45:56 Speaker 3: want to think big picture now. I want to think

45:59 Speaker 3: about this same interview with Exeler. He kind of said

46:03 Speaker 3: some really profound things. Let me play you a clip.

46:05 Speaker 3: It's about it's a minute and a half and it's

46:07 Speaker 3: just kind of how he threw down. And I believe

46:10 Speaker 3: it's nineteen ninety seven when this was done, this interview,

46:14 Speaker 3: but just hear what he had to say minute and

46:16 Speaker 3: a half and I want to get your response. Check

46:18 Speaker 3: this out. His government's the Canadian government, the American government,

46:22 Speaker 3: if they are in possession of spacecraft, if they have

46:25 Speaker 3: made contact with aliens, why don't they tell us?

46:30 Speaker 1: What I was able to learn is that the issue

46:32 Speaker 1: of secrecy dates back into the early nineteen fifties, and

46:36 Speaker 1: in nineteen fifty nine actually, NASA had a study conducted

46:39 Speaker 1: by the Brookings Institution in Washington, DC addressing the issue

46:43 Speaker 1: of whether this alarming issue of a confrontation with an

46:47 Speaker 1: extraterrestrial culture should be a release to the public this information.

46:53 Speaker 1: It was determined that there would be grave consequences for

46:56 Speaker 1: just an overt public pronouncement by government officials, so a

47:01 Speaker 1: determination we would all panic, well not necessarily necessarily just panic,

47:06 Speaker 1: but the issues that it presented, not only theology, but

47:09 Speaker 1: issues involving economics, standards of monetary concerns. If you acknowledge

47:16 Speaker 1: type of technology that renders fossil fuel related industries obsoimately,

47:20 Speaker 1: for example, you have grave consequences economically all the way

47:23 Speaker 1: around the world, all our values are rendered. So the

47:26 Speaker 1: determining yes, the determination was made that the only way

47:29 Speaker 1: to avoid this chaos would be through a slow indoctrination

47:32 Speaker 1: process over a matter of decades. The decisions to maintain

47:36 Speaker 1: secrecy regarding this center more around not upsetting the economic

47:41 Speaker 1: apple KRT, religion, theology issues that come into play, and

47:46 Speaker 1: quite a number of issues that essentially center around science

47:49 Speaker 1: and technology.

47:51 Speaker 3: How does that hold up now, all these years later

47:54 Speaker 3: what he was saying.

47:56 Speaker 2: Well, I think some of those concerns are still a

47:59 Speaker 2: reason to keep this stuff secret. There would be disruption

48:02 Speaker 2: of the world's economy, the fossil fuel industry at a

48:05 Speaker 2: time when our planet is baking and climate change is

48:09 Speaker 2: real and we're seeing the consequences all over, maybe it

48:12 Speaker 2: is time to reevaluate our reliance on fossil fuels. Do

48:16 Speaker 2: we just keep going with that and cook the planet

48:19 Speaker 2: even though it's as dire consequences for the future of humanity.

48:24 Speaker 2: There would be repercussions if we release this stuff. But

48:27 Speaker 2: as Exler says, and as many people have said, and

48:30 Speaker 2: there's the Brookings Report said, you'd have to do this

48:33 Speaker 2: over time. Well, it's been a long time that Brookings

48:36 Speaker 2: Report came out in nineteen sixty. We're a long way

48:39 Speaker 2: down the road for sixty three years or sixty three

48:42 Speaker 2: years since then. I think the public is ready for it.

48:45 Speaker 2: I think we have been conditioned to accept it, and

48:48 Speaker 2: I don't think there would be tremendous turmoil, and religious

48:51 Speaker 2: circles or social institutions would necessarily collapse depending on what

48:56 Speaker 2: the ultimate truth really is.

48:58 Speaker 4: We don't know what it is yet.

49:00 Speaker 3: Yeah, and just to kind of affirm and confirm to

49:03 Speaker 3: people like, look, you and I were interested in this.

49:05 Speaker 3: You've been doing this for so long. We're not part

49:08 Speaker 3: of some government conspiracy. I mean, look, that would be

49:10 Speaker 3: super fun if we were leaked stuff so we could

49:12 Speaker 3: put it out, you know, Maclavelli and messing with the

49:16 Speaker 3: consciousness of humanity across the globe about UFOs. I wish

49:19 Speaker 3: my life was that exciting. We're hungry for the information too.

49:23 Speaker 3: This is not an organized attempt. In fact, we've had

49:26 Speaker 3: to fight for every millimeter when it comes to confirmation

49:30 Speaker 3: of this information. But just hearing Exceller talk about that, look,

49:34 Speaker 3: this has been something that we have been kind of

49:36 Speaker 3: fighting for for a long time. It's been so obvious again,

49:40 Speaker 3: like that movie Don't Look Up. It's so obvious if

49:43 Speaker 3: you really get in there and start looking at Now

49:46 Speaker 3: that we know a lot of the people involved, they're

49:48 Speaker 3: not coming forward willingly. This is not we're having to

49:51 Speaker 3: pull teeth now. The next thing is is the legislation.

49:55 Speaker 3: This has not been finally decided yet, but we are

49:59 Speaker 3: in a good place. If this legislation goes through as

50:01 Speaker 3: powerfully the UFO legislation right now in the National Defense

50:05 Speaker 3: Authorization Act and the Intelligence Authorization Act. Man, it's it's

50:10 Speaker 3: going to put pressure on private industry who where this

50:13 Speaker 3: technology that you and I know has been sequestered to

50:17 Speaker 3: to say what do you got? You can keep it,

50:20 Speaker 3: you know, us as the government can't directly work on it.

50:22 Speaker 3: We want you to keep it, but you got to

50:24 Speaker 3: admit it. We have to have oversay. So I'm hopeful,

50:27 Speaker 3: fingers crossed, it will be a huge day if that legislation,

50:31 Speaker 3: Schumer's legislation, if that gets passed and President Biden signs it,

50:35 Speaker 3: it's going to have major impact. The closest thing we'll

50:39 Speaker 3: ever get to confirmation is right now.

50:42 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'm almost hopeful, which is incredible because

50:45 Speaker 2: I'm usually pessimistic. I'm also hopeful, almost hopeful, that that

50:48 Speaker 2: legislation will pass. But as we have discussed here many times,

50:53 Speaker 2: you know, it's always unpredictable. The UFOs have been on

50:56 Speaker 2: the front burner in the past. There's peaks and valleys

50:58 Speaker 2: of public interest and congressional interest, and something always comes

51:02 Speaker 2: along that Trump's UFOs. Right now, Congress is a mess,

51:06 Speaker 2: you know. The House to Representatives can't pick its next leader.

51:10 Speaker 2: They're shut down in essence, there's no going forward on budgets.

51:14 Speaker 2: There's still the looming possibility that there will shut down

51:17 Speaker 2: the US government. There's impeachment proceedings against President Biden, there's

51:21 Speaker 2: a war in the Ukraine, there's terror in the Middle East.

51:24 Speaker 2: There's always something more important and more pressing than UFO.

51:28 Speaker 2: So I'd like to say that I am hopeful, I

51:31 Speaker 2: am a little bit, but I'll believe it when I

51:33 Speaker 2: see it.

51:35 Speaker 3: So let me play this last part. It's a minute

51:38 Speaker 3: in eleven seconds, and this is again Bob Exler, and

51:42 Speaker 3: he's kind of summarizing kind of what's going on, this

51:45 Speaker 3: idea that we might not be the top of the

51:47 Speaker 3: food chain. I just want to give it as food

51:49 Speaker 3: for thought as we end this episode of WEAPONI to

51:51 Speaker 3: check this out.

51:53 Speaker 1: We do have to come to grips with the reality

51:55 Speaker 1: that perhaps human beings aren't the only intelligence in the universe,

51:59 Speaker 1: and that they have in fact been here to visit

52:02 Speaker 1: in spite of projects like the NASA SETI project, the

52:06 Speaker 1: Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence in deep space. That there are

52:10 Speaker 1: serious issues associated with this, and we have a mentality

52:14 Speaker 1: where we like to kind of poke fund at the

52:16 Speaker 1: issue through tabloids and so forth. If there's one that comes,

52:20 Speaker 1: there's obviously going to be more. And just like we

52:22 Speaker 1: have different species of humans on this planet, I'm quite

52:24 Speaker 1: certain there's different species of alien life forms, so we

52:28 Speaker 1: could run into metallevolence. In fact, President Reagan on several

52:31 Speaker 1: occasions alerted concern about the potential hostilities from outer space

52:37 Speaker 1: and why would be important for us to work together

52:40 Speaker 1: on this planet with superpowers and so on uniting. Clearly,

52:44 Speaker 1: the problem that we're confronted with here is that although

52:47 Speaker 1: technologically these beings may be more intelligent than us, we

52:51 Speaker 1: appear to be more advanced in areas of civility. We

52:55 Speaker 1: have emotions and things like that, and we have concern

52:58 Speaker 1: for our fellow man. That doesn't seem to be the

53:01 Speaker 1: case necessarily in some of these other cultures.

53:04 Speaker 3: What do you think of that?

53:06 Speaker 2: Well, it raises the kind of big questions that we

53:09 Speaker 2: tackle all the time.

53:10 Speaker 4: I mean, the fact is we don't know the ultimate truth.

53:13 Speaker 4: I don't know.

53:14 Speaker 2: We don't know anybody who knows all of it. David Grush,

53:17 Speaker 2: Jim Lekatski, Colin Kelleher, Robert Bigelow, Bob Lazar, all those

53:22 Speaker 2: guys know more than we do, maybe, but we're not

53:25 Speaker 2: quite sure what the ultimate truth is. So it's hard

53:28 Speaker 2: to predict what the effect on society will be, what

53:31 Speaker 2: the effect on the planet will be, And we don't

53:33 Speaker 2: know what it is that's going to be disclosed. You know,

53:36 Speaker 2: we have a long way to go on this, and

53:38 Speaker 2: there are legitimate concerns both for national security and how

53:42 Speaker 2: the public handles whatever the disclosure might be. Best we

53:45 Speaker 2: can do is keep plugging away at it.

53:48 Speaker 3: Yeah, it reminds me. I saw this thing recently where

53:51 Speaker 3: President gorbachaw where he came out way later and there

53:55 Speaker 3: was this meeting that he had with Reagan where they

53:58 Speaker 3: were walking alone and they dismissed all of their individuals

54:01 Speaker 3: surrounding them, and I think Reagan was in Russia at

54:03 Speaker 3: the time and they were taking a walk and Gorbacheff

54:06 Speaker 3: admitted that what Reagan said to him, and this is

54:09 Speaker 3: like he admitted it, Like there's video of this. He says,

54:12 Speaker 3: you know, look, if we were if the United States

54:14 Speaker 3: was attacked by an extrusco specie, would would you guys

54:17 Speaker 3: defend us? Would you guys have our back? And Gorbachev

54:21 Speaker 3: said absolutely, and so did Reagan. So at that time

54:24 Speaker 3: when you see him at the UN making those big

54:26 Speaker 3: statements about if we were attacked by somebody else, you know,

54:30 Speaker 3: that came from something that came from the idea that

54:33 Speaker 3: we don't know what this is. And I do believe

54:36 Speaker 3: now it appears that we have technology of unknown origin

54:41 Speaker 3: from what appears to be non human intelligence. Was that

54:44 Speaker 3: given to us or is that something that we got

54:46 Speaker 3: from a crash retreevle These are big questions. We just

54:49 Speaker 3: don't know. But David Grush says that he has the

54:52 Speaker 3: holding locations. I know he actually does, so the holding

54:55 Speaker 3: locations of these of these craft full on UFOs. We

54:58 Speaker 3: are this close if we keep pushing within the next

55:02 Speaker 3: year or so to get more information on this. So

55:04 Speaker 3: I will kind of remain optimistic until proven otherwise. It's

55:09 Speaker 3: an exciting time to study the UFO topic. It's got

55:12 Speaker 3: to be exciting for you to see all this very much.

55:14 Speaker 2: So, yeah, after all these years, you know, there was

55:16 Speaker 2: the late Stan Friedman used to say. One reason for

55:19 Speaker 2: the cover up could be that when the people of

55:23 Speaker 2: Earth start thinking of themselves as Earthlings rather than as

55:26 Speaker 2: Americans or Russians, well, no government in the world wants that.

55:29 Speaker 2: They don't want us to think on a global scale.

55:32 Speaker 2: They like the idea of us being nationalistic and provincial.

55:36 Speaker 2: So that might be a reason why it's been so

55:38 Speaker 2: hard to get some of them to cough up what

55:40 Speaker 2: they know.

55:41 Speaker 4: We'll see, we'll see where it goes, all.

55:44 Speaker 3: Right, man, Well, thanks so much, and I know that

55:46 Speaker 3: with the remaining episodes of Weaponized for this season, I

55:49 Speaker 3: hope that we can put some really great stuff into

55:52 Speaker 3: those episodes. Have they stay tuned? And thanks so much, George,

55:55 Speaker 3: talk to you later. Give you that.

56:08 Speaker 4: Never have so few had so much to tell, but

56:13 Speaker 4: could say soe little.

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