"IMMINENT" LUE ELIZONDO'S NEW BOOK LEAKED? ARTICLE BY JEREMY MCGOWAN Says Lue is part of Disinformation Campaign- REVAMPED!

0:51 Speaker 1: Many dam.

1:26 Speaker 2: All right, guys, welcome back to Total Disclosure Live revamped.

1:31 Speaker 3: We're here with my buddy, Wait am I pointing the

1:34 Speaker 3: wrong way?

1:35 Speaker 2: Josh Maitland remote viewer, And today we have a big,

1:39 Speaker 2: big show for you, kind of early in the morning.

1:42 Speaker 3: I'm not used to doing shows this.

1:45 Speaker 2: Early anymore, Josh. I'm surprised you're awake.

1:48 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm Most of my shows happen at night too,

1:51 Speaker 1: so it's different for me as well.

1:55 Speaker 2: But we're both here. We're both interested in in what

1:59 Speaker 2: we're to talk about. I think everybody in the UFO

2:04 Speaker 2: or you know, any related phenomena that encompasses UFOs, a

2:09 Speaker 2: paranormal and and all that knows who lou Alexondo is

2:16 Speaker 2: now el A Zondo has had this book in the

2:19 Speaker 2: works for multiple years and it's finally coming out next month.

2:26 Speaker 2: I know I have my pre order.

2:28 Speaker 3: I don't know if you've ordered it yet. But there

2:32 Speaker 3: was a fiasco.

2:34 Speaker 2: Google leaked like sixty of the pages, and I don't

2:39 Speaker 2: know if they're real, like if it was a leak

2:42 Speaker 2: leak or if it was like here's something for everyone

2:46 Speaker 2: who's been waiting so long, because I mean, the leak

2:50 Speaker 2: has everything from the Christopher Mellan forward to the chapter titles,

2:56 Speaker 2: and the way it's written looks correct.

2:59 Speaker 3: But there's a lot of talk in those pages.

3:02 Speaker 2: And and I'm not gonna We're not gonna blow loose

3:05 Speaker 2: book up or anything like that, but there were.

3:09 Speaker 3: A few things that have been talked about.

3:11 Speaker 2: Uh in in detail in those pages. And I want

3:17 Speaker 2: to start with Roswell because at one point in the pages,

3:22 Speaker 2: and this has been circulating, you know, Jimmy Church has

3:25 Speaker 2: talked about it, so I think it's pretty safe to

3:27 Speaker 2: say out there. But in a conversation with Kit Green,

3:32 Speaker 2: he basically asks asks Kate Green about Roswell, and Roswell

3:38 Speaker 2: Kit was a kid or how put off, I don't remember,

3:42 Speaker 2: but Kit basically tells him that you can take Roswell

3:45 Speaker 2: to the bank.

3:47 Speaker 3: That's a big statement.

3:49 Speaker 1: Yeah. So I haven't read any of the pages, so

3:53 Speaker 1: I've got some of the you know, stuff people have

3:57 Speaker 1: been talking about on Twitter or whatever, but I'm waiting

4:00 Speaker 1: for the full thing to come out before I dive in.

4:04 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, what do you think.

4:06 Speaker 1: I think Roswell was probably a real event. I mean,

4:10 Speaker 1: there's just so many, so many stories from so many people,

4:14 Speaker 1: and and it's been. It's been investigated so often over

4:19 Speaker 1: the years, and you know, people seem to all keep

4:23 Speaker 1: coming to the same conclusions about it, like it something.

4:26 Speaker 3: Happened that night. Yeah, for sure, something definitely happened that night.

4:32 Speaker 2: And you know the military doesn't put out a pressure

4:38 Speaker 2: release like that every day. Let's just put it that way, right,

4:42 Speaker 2: and then retract it the next day. But yeah, if if,

4:46 Speaker 2: if for some reason, if when Lou's book comes out,

4:50 Speaker 2: it turns out that these are the real pages. Kit

4:53 Speaker 2: Green is someone who's who's who doesn't really like joke

4:59 Speaker 2: around under or like poke fun or or say something

5:04 Speaker 2: he doesn't mean.

5:05 Speaker 3: He's a very real person who is very serious about

5:09 Speaker 3: the topic. So if he is actually saying that you

5:12 Speaker 3: can take the Roswell story to the bank, then that

5:17 Speaker 3: truly means that we have been in possession.

5:23 Speaker 2: Of UAP or UFOs since the forties, right, Yeah, And

5:30 Speaker 2: that would be consistent with you know what David Grush

5:33 Speaker 2: has been saying and stuff too, like that.

5:35 Speaker 1: The program goes all the way back to the forties

5:37 Speaker 1: and fifties, and you know, anti gravity research got you know,

5:41 Speaker 1: kicked off pretty heavy in the fifties and then suddenly

5:44 Speaker 1: just stopped, which you know, maybe it just went underground.

5:48 Speaker 1: I don't know. There's there's been lots of lots of

5:53 Speaker 1: lots of disparate kind of data points coming out in

5:58 Speaker 1: the last few years that really do suggest that something's

6:01 Speaker 1: been going on since at least kind of World War

6:03 Speaker 1: two sort of time. As far as our you know,

6:07 Speaker 1: humanity's uh, direct interaction with I would say the technology

6:14 Speaker 1: associated with the phenomenon. I think the phenomenon itself has

6:17 Speaker 1: been a much longer process. Like we've you know, even

6:21 Speaker 1: biblical times. There's there's lots and you know, the ancient

6:24 Speaker 1: alien stuff, all of that, Like it's it's something that's

6:27 Speaker 1: been around forever. But I think I think just the

6:30 Speaker 1: character of it started ramping up, you know, probably around

6:34 Speaker 1: that time in the in the forties fifties, and the

6:37 Speaker 1: cat's attacking the background there. So that's that's not ghosts

6:40 Speaker 1: or anything.

6:41 Speaker 3: I wish it was. Come on, just let the audience

6:44 Speaker 3: believe it. Man, No, I want to well, here here's

6:49 Speaker 3: the thing.

6:50 Speaker 2: Here's here's what I am very very interested in. Is like,

6:56 Speaker 2: because you actually brought it up now anti graviy. Now,

7:00 Speaker 2: this was something that was in all like the popular

7:02 Speaker 2: mechanics magazines. Yeah, scientists were saying that they were, you know,

7:07 Speaker 2: a couple of years away from a breakthrough, and then

7:09 Speaker 2: all of a sudden, boom gone nothing out of literally

7:13 Speaker 2: out of all the science magazines, out of all the circulation.

7:18 Speaker 3: It just disappeared.

7:20 Speaker 2: Now could that be because the military industrial complex had

7:25 Speaker 2: been formed and they have you know, they had kinda

7:29 Speaker 2: put the put the put the cap in back in

7:31 Speaker 2: the bag and and and stuffed it shut and said,

7:34 Speaker 2: you know, this is now a slap under a national

7:37 Speaker 2: security order.

7:39 Speaker 3: You know, do you think that that is something that

7:41 Speaker 3: could have possibly happened?

7:43 Speaker 1: Seems seems plausible. I mean, I'm only basing that assumption

7:47 Speaker 1: on what I've seen out in the public sphere. Like

7:50 Speaker 1: I know, Jesse Michaels did a really cool episode of

7:54 Speaker 1: American Alchemy about I think it was Townsend Brown yea,

7:59 Speaker 1: his his research into all the antigraph stuff. And I

8:04 Speaker 1: mean people are seeing stuff out there like there since

8:08 Speaker 1: you know, the whole time I've been on the planet,

8:10 Speaker 1: there's been people reporting these things and and well before

8:13 Speaker 1: that too, So I do think probably some of what

8:17 Speaker 1: people see in the skies is legitimate phenomenon. I imagine

8:23 Speaker 1: there likely is some kind of reverse engineering program that

8:28 Speaker 1: certainly the stuff that's out in the public sphere seems

8:32 Speaker 1: to suggest that. And you know, some pretty pretty reputable

8:36 Speaker 1: people coming out and saying that, you know, this is

8:39 Speaker 1: this is the case. And yeah, I know, I'm looking

8:43 Speaker 1: forward to to to see and lose book when it drops,

8:46 Speaker 1: because you know, he's he's been in the game. He

8:51 Speaker 1: presumably knows a lot more about what's going on than

8:54 Speaker 1: we do, so it'll be interesting to hear his his

8:57 Speaker 1: take on it all.

8:59 Speaker 3: Here is my issue, and I know.

9:04 Speaker 2: I've always I'm always going to stay neutral, But lou

9:13 Speaker 2: had claimed to run the a TIP program right now,

9:18 Speaker 2: that's the Advanced eraspace Threat Identification program this, and and

9:26 Speaker 2: he it's not like he put the notion in there

9:29 Speaker 2: that it had nothing to do with ASAP. It wasn't

9:33 Speaker 2: until he.

9:34 Speaker 3: Was questioned hard on the fact that he had to

9:38 Speaker 3: that he had to separate the two.

9:40 Speaker 2: So if no one had pressed him on it, I

9:44 Speaker 2: think he would have let people believe that a TIP

9:47 Speaker 2: was the because originally, remember in the New York Times

9:51 Speaker 2: when the twenty seventeen article came out, people don't realize

9:55 Speaker 2: how many errors were in it A tip did not

9:58 Speaker 2: receive the money that it was awesome.

10:01 Speaker 3: That was the sorry God, I always forget what else

10:06 Speaker 3: stands for one.

10:07 Speaker 2: Of the Weapons Systems Applications Process program something like that.

10:14 Speaker 2: They were the ones that received the twenty two million.

10:18 Speaker 2: Now by the time Lou had taken charge, if he

10:23 Speaker 2: took charge of this program called a TIP, that was

10:28 Speaker 2: by the time Lou had taken it over, it was

10:30 Speaker 2: basically unfunded. There was no money in it right, the

10:34 Speaker 2: money had run out. It had run out because Bigelow

10:37 Speaker 2: had gotten the contract, used it studying Skinwalker Ranch, other

10:43 Speaker 2: ranches like.

10:46 Speaker 3: The other the other ranch that he owned at the

10:48 Speaker 3: same time. It's it's I can't remember, uh right the

10:52 Speaker 3: top of my head. Yes, yes, yes, there's a mountain.

10:57 Speaker 1: Uh, Carl Crusher the one car.

10:59 Speaker 3: Crusher was Yep, that one.

11:03 Speaker 2: He owned both of them at the same time. So

11:04 Speaker 2: that's where the twenty two million went. Now Harry Reid

11:08 Speaker 2: asked for more money, and then they used the A

11:12 Speaker 2: Tip Moniker as a way to kind of not trick Congress,

11:19 Speaker 2: but to conceal that they were looking into the paranormal

11:24 Speaker 2: and the other worldly.

11:25 Speaker 3: They changed the name from US APP to A tip

11:29 Speaker 3: in the public sphere.

11:31 Speaker 2: So when they did the proposal for the next couple

11:35 Speaker 2: of years after the money ran out, they wanted more money,

11:38 Speaker 2: and the money increased every year, but as A didn't

11:42 Speaker 2: have enough to prove or didn't have enough to show,

11:45 Speaker 2: so they ultimately lost funding and the program was scrapped.

11:49 Speaker 2: Now I'm not saying a TIP didn't exist, but what

11:53 Speaker 2: I'm saying is a TIP was probably more of an

11:56 Speaker 2: unfunded program that people like Elizondo who are interested.

12:04 Speaker 3: Right did as a as a as.

12:06 Speaker 2: More of like a not a hobby, because I would

12:09 Speaker 2: say that that's wrong too. I think they definitely had

12:12 Speaker 2: very very dense motives and wanting to get to the

12:16 Speaker 2: bottom of it. But I do think it was a

12:18 Speaker 2: group of people that were just as interested in this

12:21 Speaker 2: topic as you and I, and we're just as motivated,

12:25 Speaker 2: and they were just in a position where they could

12:29 Speaker 2: kind of take that a tip moniker and carry the

12:32 Speaker 2: torch even though.

12:33 Speaker 3: It was unfunded. And I don't think that I don't

12:36 Speaker 3: think that's a problem.

12:38 Speaker 1: There's also, you know, different if you have different projects

12:41 Speaker 1: on your roster, Like I'm a project manager, so I

12:44 Speaker 1: know how some of that stuff works too, And if

12:48 Speaker 1: you've got different projects, you know, each project has kind

12:51 Speaker 1: of a buck a bucket of money. Let's say that

12:53 Speaker 1: you've that you've got that you can draw from for it.

12:55 Speaker 1: So if they've got this empty bucket and they want

12:58 Speaker 1: to go to Congress and get more money and fill

13:00 Speaker 1: up their bucket so they can do more stuff, you know,

13:04 Speaker 1: having the fact that something already exists and you want

13:07 Speaker 1: more money is a lot easier than getting a new

13:11 Speaker 1: project from scratch, right, So I imagine probably there's some

13:15 Speaker 1: element of that to it, like probably more of like

13:19 Speaker 1: a bureaucracy logistics type type thing there. You know, I

13:25 Speaker 1: just thrown it out there.

13:27 Speaker 3: But yeah, you don't, well, no, you're absolutely right, you don't.

13:31 Speaker 1: There's also a history of Congress not liking paranormal research.

13:36 Speaker 1: Like I don't have anything to verify this, per se,

13:40 Speaker 1: but I've heard that part of why the old remote

13:43 Speaker 1: viewing program was scrapped was because certain certain Congress folks

13:49 Speaker 1: who were of a religious persuasion thought that it was

13:53 Speaker 1: the work of the devil and decided to kybos places.

13:58 Speaker 1: So you know, it's controversial stuff, So I get that,

14:04 Speaker 1: you know, Yeah.

14:06 Speaker 2: It's definitely a huge problem in our government that that

14:08 Speaker 2: that they think that we're dealing with angels and demons,

14:11 Speaker 2: you know, like we need to wipe that off the surface,

14:14 Speaker 2: because even if we are dealing with angels and demons, it's.

14:18 Speaker 3: Our duty to figure the ship out, to figure it out, right,

14:25 Speaker 3: what is happening?

14:26 Speaker 2: And there are there are people that think that they're

14:33 Speaker 2: So my issue with Elizondo. I like him, I really do.

14:38 Speaker 2: I I like something in me wants to like him.

14:41 Speaker 2: And but but then again, I say the same thing

14:44 Speaker 2: about Ric Dooty so and like, I don't know if

14:48 Speaker 2: Rick Doty is lying right to my face, he's either

14:51 Speaker 2: the best he should be in Hollywood, or he's telling

14:53 Speaker 2: the truth. And I think that's where some people think

15:00 Speaker 2: who's at you know, once a disinformation agent, always.

15:03 Speaker 3: A disinfo agent.

15:04 Speaker 2: And I don't know if that's necessarily the case with

15:07 Speaker 2: Lou because he seems so genuine, But there are people

15:11 Speaker 2: out there who have been in Lou's inner circle that

15:16 Speaker 2: say that.

15:18 Speaker 3: Lou is full of shit.

15:21 Speaker 2: Now I am only saying what I've heard, and obviously

15:25 Speaker 2: everyone knows.

15:26 Speaker 3: Who I'm talking about. That's Jeremy mcgallan, right, he gave me.

15:30 Speaker 2: I talked to Jeremy before I did this show, and

15:33 Speaker 2: I said that I was going to put him out

15:35 Speaker 2: there because he wrote an article about about Lou and

15:40 Speaker 2: what he knows about Lou and remote viewing because apparently

15:45 Speaker 2: Lou is a remote viewer. Yeah, it's something that he

15:52 Speaker 2: learned after becoming interested in the topic.

15:56 Speaker 3: And like, who's this? I mean, you you're sitting right

15:59 Speaker 3: now to me.

16:00 Speaker 2: You you're remote viewer, right, I've seen your skills put

16:04 Speaker 2: onto the test. I know that there is something to it.

16:07 Speaker 2: So Jeremy, I don't think does I think there's anything

16:12 Speaker 2: to it? So he wrote this article basically saying that

16:17 Speaker 2: Lu's been tricked into thinking he has superpowers and he

16:21 Speaker 2: is out there kind of spitting information out as whoever

16:28 Speaker 2: told it to him once? Right, So again this like

16:32 Speaker 2: this like disinformation quote of quote?

16:37 Speaker 1: Do you think there is sorry, go ahead, do.

16:41 Speaker 3: You think that's what we're dealing with? Is disinfo?

16:44 Speaker 1: No? I I like, as far as remote viewing goes,

16:48 Speaker 1: absolutely not. Because I mean so I read I read

16:52 Speaker 1: most of the article, Jeremy's article there that you sent me,

16:56 Speaker 1: and I didn't have time to go through it all

16:59 Speaker 1: before this. But the uh, the argument he makes, I

17:05 Speaker 1: think is is that you know, the CIA is sneaky.

17:08 Speaker 1: They did, you know mk ultra, and so that's what

17:13 Speaker 1: remote viewing is too. And I mean my rebuttal to

17:17 Speaker 1: that would be, no, mk Ultra was mk Ultra. Remote

17:21 Speaker 1: viewing was its own secret thing, like it definitely was

17:24 Speaker 1: a secret program. And he he kind of tends to

17:27 Speaker 1: focus on Stargate, which was the last remote viewing program,

17:32 Speaker 1: like official one, but there was a bunch of programs

17:36 Speaker 1: before Stargate. There was Grill Grill Flame and Center Lane,

17:41 Speaker 1: and I think some others too, but you know, it

17:43 Speaker 1: was going from the I think I think Stargate was

17:46 Speaker 1: the nineties, like it was ninety to ninety five or

17:49 Speaker 1: something like that, and then there were there were previous

17:51 Speaker 1: programs before that. And I'm not an expert on the history.

17:56 Speaker 1: I don't have all the points to rattle off here,

18:00 Speaker 1: but it was ongoing for twenty years and I remember

18:05 Speaker 1: hearing I don't know if it was Skip batwater Ed

18:09 Speaker 1: may or one of those guys, but one of the

18:12 Speaker 1: people who was sort of involved in the administration and

18:15 Speaker 1: working with the agencies and stuff, and they said they

18:19 Speaker 1: had something like an eighty five percent return customer rate

18:22 Speaker 1: among the agencies that they were doing work for. Just

18:25 Speaker 1: today on Twitter, my buddy Daz Smith posted something about

18:31 Speaker 1: it was like a redacted document from the NSSAY talking

18:34 Speaker 1: about their experience working with the remote viewers, and it

18:37 Speaker 1: said we worked on three different projects, and then that

18:40 Speaker 1: was blacked out, and then it kind of went into

18:42 Speaker 1: what their discussion of those projects was, and they said,

18:47 Speaker 1: generally speaking, we got actionable, useful information and we were

18:51 Speaker 1: happy with the results. And that was I think on

18:54 Speaker 1: Center Lane, which was one of the ones before Stargate.

18:57 Speaker 1: But right, yeah, I mean, I don't know, you know,

19:02 Speaker 1: the idea that the focus on psychic stuff was was,

19:08 Speaker 1: you know, they were tricking people into believing they were

19:11 Speaker 1: a psychic. Like I mean, Joe mcmonagall was a natural

19:14 Speaker 1: clairvoyant and he just really really what this is remote

19:18 Speaker 1: viewing is just putting a framework around natural psychic abilities

19:23 Speaker 1: that we all have access to. Not everybody has developed

19:28 Speaker 1: these abilities, because I mean, the only reason I didn't

19:32 Speaker 1: get into this earlier was because I didn't even realize

19:35 Speaker 1: it was possible. I think most people don't realize that

19:39 Speaker 1: it's possible. But you know, all it is is intuition.

19:44 Speaker 1: It's just it's putting a remote viewing is putting a

19:46 Speaker 1: framework around intuition and using it to effectively extract data

19:54 Speaker 1: from you know, non local sources to pat.

20:00 Speaker 2: So medium is where Jeremy puts everything. I don't know

20:05 Speaker 2: how if it ended up on the intercept, then it

20:07 Speaker 2: came from medium, because at least Jeremy sent it through

20:13 Speaker 2: to me through medium because he knows I'm interested in

20:16 Speaker 2: this whole thing. And I and then listen mcgonagal his

20:22 Speaker 2: he there is something. I mean, the stories that guy tells.

20:26 Speaker 1: Uh.

20:27 Speaker 2: He was recently on Danny Jones and I remember he

20:31 Speaker 2: was telling a story about there's a missing boy right and.

20:38 Speaker 3: The cops or some whoever called him.

20:41 Speaker 2: The authorities called him and they were like, we need

20:43 Speaker 2: your help locating.

20:44 Speaker 3: This missing boy. And he was like, it's three am.

20:47 Speaker 3: Why are you calling me?

20:48 Speaker 2: You know, like okay, okay, uh, you know, did his thing.

20:53 Speaker 2: He's like, all right, he's at the top of this hill.

20:57 Speaker 2: Like go there, yeah, tell his name and he will come.

21:03 Speaker 2: Don't wake me up. Click they rang him again. Said

21:09 Speaker 2: the officer said that he would that a young boy

21:13 Speaker 2: under eleven would never seek high ground. He would stay

21:18 Speaker 2: in place or find somewhere close to him, and Joe said,

21:23 Speaker 2: follow my instructions. Click, and then they said to follow

21:30 Speaker 2: the instructions. They went up to the top of the hill,

21:33 Speaker 2: yelled the name. There happened to be a house at

21:35 Speaker 2: the top of the hill. The kid was right there.

21:37 Speaker 2: They called Joe back, said, hey, we found him. Joe's like,

21:41 Speaker 2: where'd you find him? They were like, right where you

21:43 Speaker 2: said he was. Click, went back to bed.

21:47 Speaker 1: If you get woken up at three in the morning,

21:50 Speaker 1: you're going to be in a pretty good state to

21:52 Speaker 1: do psychic stuff because you're going to be in that

21:54 Speaker 1: kind of subliminal or that liminal state between wakeful and sleep.

21:59 Speaker 1: So that's probably why he smashed that one out of

22:01 Speaker 1: the park. Right, He's pretty good at one for sure.

22:05 Speaker 1: He's he's an og. But yeah, that's interesting. I hadn't

22:09 Speaker 1: heard that story.

22:10 Speaker 2: But to say, to say remote viewings bullshit is bullshit

22:16 Speaker 2: in itself. Yeah, So I don't agree with Jeremy here.

22:21 Speaker 2: I don't agree with Jeremy.

22:22 Speaker 1: I would suggest that perhaps he hasn't likely tried remote

22:27 Speaker 1: viewing because I was a skeptic before I came into this,

22:33 Speaker 1: But when I first heard like I was introduced to

22:37 Speaker 1: this through the documentary Third Eye Spies, and that documentary

22:44 Speaker 1: at the end of it, I was just like, I

22:45 Speaker 1: gotta try this. Like that that was my reaction to

22:49 Speaker 1: hearing about the reality of remote viewing. And you know,

22:55 Speaker 1: I tried it and it worked quite well. It turned out,

22:59 Speaker 1: I was I had kind of a natural affinity for it,

23:02 Speaker 1: and I think that's just because I've had a lifetime

23:05 Speaker 1: of doing other creative stuff, and you know, I think

23:09 Speaker 1: I think intuition is is a creative process as much

23:12 Speaker 1: as anything else. And again, yeah, just remote viewing is

23:16 Speaker 1: is putting a process, like a procedure, a protocol around

23:21 Speaker 1: harnessing intuition for the purpose of acquiring specific information. And

23:28 Speaker 1: it's well designed, and it was designed well before the

23:31 Speaker 1: Stargate project, which was the focus of this article. It

23:35 Speaker 1: was you know, back in the in the seventies when

23:38 Speaker 1: Ingo and Hell and Russell targ and everybody else at

23:42 Speaker 1: SRI was developing this these procedures. And so in the

23:46 Speaker 1: article he talks about things like, you know how, oh,

23:50 Speaker 1: it's it's not scientific because they don't focus on the

23:53 Speaker 1: on the misses. They only focus on the hits. But

23:57 Speaker 1: some of the research that's been done in developing remote

24:01 Speaker 1: viewing shows that you know, if you're and this is

24:05 Speaker 1: at least from what I've seen, it is more particular

24:07 Speaker 1: to like the associative of remote viewing, the the binary

24:10 Speaker 1: choice stuff. But if you if you think of it

24:13 Speaker 1: this way, if you're even if remote viewing is just

24:16 Speaker 1: basic precognition and you're you're precognitively sensing a photo you're

24:21 Speaker 1: going to see in ten minutes or whatever, if you

24:24 Speaker 1: are only shown the right photo after that and not

24:27 Speaker 1: the wrong target, you're you're gonna do better because if

24:32 Speaker 1: you if you have to subconsciously discern between two different targets,

24:36 Speaker 1: you're going to get a better result if you're not

24:39 Speaker 1: shown both of them. So I mean there's an app

24:42 Speaker 1: called RV Tournament which shows you both and you know,

24:45 Speaker 1: people people complain that that's not a good protocol or

24:48 Speaker 1: not a good way of doing it, but you know,

24:51 Speaker 1: this is the idea that it's that the reinforcement of

24:56 Speaker 1: good results was some kind of manipulation. Like I don't

25:00 Speaker 1: agree with that at all, because you know, you it's

25:06 Speaker 1: it's like it's like training in anything. Really, like if

25:08 Speaker 1: I'm if I'm doing an engineering project, I'm not gonna

25:12 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna give the contractor my rough sketches to

25:15 Speaker 1: build something from. I'm going to refine them and get

25:17 Speaker 1: them to the point where I've got a final design

25:20 Speaker 1: that I'm happy with and that i know is gonna work.

25:24 Speaker 1: You know, it's it also sort of to the point of,

25:28 Speaker 1: you know, so a lot of the data is vague, Well, yeah,

25:30 Speaker 1: of course it is, because the first few pages of

25:33 Speaker 1: any given remote viewing session, you're you're you're capturing those

25:36 Speaker 1: high level, vague details, and then you're you're drilling down

25:40 Speaker 1: to the core of it as you get deeper in

25:42 Speaker 1: the session, as the signal gets stronger, as you connect

25:46 Speaker 1: more with the target. That's that's been my experience, and

25:51 Speaker 1: I mean that's that's really how it's how it's designed.

25:53 Speaker 1: You start, you start by scraping that high level data

25:56 Speaker 1: to connect to the target, you you make contact, and

26:00 Speaker 1: then you you dig deeper. That's that's the whole process,

26:03 Speaker 1: that's the whole procedure. So, of course, a lot of

26:05 Speaker 1: the data in any given session is going to be

26:08 Speaker 1: you know, either either nebulous and kind of yes, kind

26:12 Speaker 1: of no. But you're you're you need to look at

26:17 Speaker 1: any given session as as a whole, and usually it's

26:21 Speaker 1: the summary at the end of the session that kind

26:23 Speaker 1: of sticks out as Okay, this is where maybe some

26:26 Speaker 1: actionable data is going to because that's where you say, Okay,

26:29 Speaker 1: these are the tangible things that I know are here

26:32 Speaker 1: that feel important to me as the viewer. This is

26:34 Speaker 1: the other thing too. It's very subjective. It's a it's

26:37 Speaker 1: a subconscious process, and each viewer is going to get

26:40 Speaker 1: different results given the same target because they're filtering that

26:44 Speaker 1: information through their own subconscious mind. So you know, all

26:48 Speaker 1: their experience, all their all their emotions, all their everything

26:52 Speaker 1: is contributing to whatever it is their process. It's just

26:56 Speaker 1: like any creative process. Like if I'm playing music on

26:59 Speaker 1: sta age, the way I play is going to be

27:01 Speaker 1: different than another bass player because of the influences that

27:04 Speaker 1: I have on my on my music, you know. So

27:09 Speaker 1: it's he's looking at remote viewing I think as this

27:11 Speaker 1: kind of weird thing, But like I don't, I don't know.

27:14 Speaker 1: I don't think it's that weird. I think it's just

27:15 Speaker 1: I think it's just another creative process.

27:19 Speaker 2: All right, But you don't think that it is a

27:22 Speaker 2: little weird that we see the same people all the

27:31 Speaker 2: time wherever there's money, like whenever a contract like this

27:37 Speaker 2: is given out by the government.

27:40 Speaker 3: Right, we see the same people how put Off, Kick

27:43 Speaker 3: Green Bigelow. It's the same faces all.

27:50 Speaker 1: And and I think odd it doesn't because the Ingo

27:57 Speaker 1: Swan people specialize in certain things, right, So these happened

28:02 Speaker 1: to be the people that decided to specialize in the

28:05 Speaker 1: field of you know, wo wo psychic stuff and advanced

28:11 Speaker 1: technology in UFO and so on. So if you've got

28:15 Speaker 1: so how put Off for example, you know he was

28:17 Speaker 1: him and him and Russell Tard were both laser physicists,

28:21 Speaker 1: I believe, and they went from that world into studying

28:26 Speaker 1: all this esoteric remote viewing stuff. Sorry I'm talking too much,

28:32 Speaker 1: my throats getting all scratchy again. But you know, they

28:37 Speaker 1: they that they had like twenty years of experience with

28:40 Speaker 1: remote viewing with the remote viewing programs, and that experience

28:46 Speaker 1: would obviously be beneficial to leverage for additional research into

28:52 Speaker 1: similar phenomenon. So I don't think it's weird. I just

28:56 Speaker 1: think it's like, that's what those guys career trajectories are.

29:00 Speaker 1: You know, It's it's as weird as you know, me

29:05 Speaker 1: doing water resource projects because I've studied water resource engineering

29:10 Speaker 1: and have worked in that field for a long time.

29:13 Speaker 1: You know, it just happens to be that the topic

29:15 Speaker 1: itself is a weird topic overall, and so and there's

29:20 Speaker 1: very few people that specialize in that stuff because it's

29:23 Speaker 1: so kind of you know, off the beaten path, I think,

29:27 Speaker 1: And and even now, like tons, there's tons of people

29:30 Speaker 1: that as hobbyists kind of look into remote viewing and

29:34 Speaker 1: and try it out and study it and and just

29:36 Speaker 1: do it because they're interested in it. I know, I

29:39 Speaker 1: know hundreds of people to do that. You know, it's

29:41 Speaker 1: I mean, there's there's a whole discord and subreddit about

29:45 Speaker 1: remote viewing where people will trade the options and look

29:48 Speaker 1: into try different research methods and and share their results,

29:53 Speaker 1: and you know, it's it's just it's just such a

29:57 Speaker 1: niche thing that not many people know about. I think

30:00 Speaker 1: that's really the only reason that you see the same

30:02 Speaker 1: people kind of floating around it. There just isn't that

30:04 Speaker 1: many people that are, you know, highly specialized in this field.

30:10 Speaker 1: There's I think there's I think I could probably name

30:12 Speaker 1: ten people that do remote viewing professionally. There's probably well,

30:17 Speaker 1: I've only seen maybe that many.

30:20 Speaker 3: Well, here's my next question.

30:23 Speaker 2: Lou's book comes out right, he tells the world that

30:29 Speaker 2: because okay.

30:30 Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you a story.

30:31 Speaker 2: Jeremy told me right, and this was when he was

30:35 Speaker 2: on the podcast, so anyone can go back and watch it.

30:39 Speaker 2: Basically he told me that he was when Lou was

30:43 Speaker 2: filming Unidentified, that was the show that he did when

30:48 Speaker 2: he was part of To the Stars Academy. They got

30:52 Speaker 2: in touch with Jeremy because Jeremy had an experience in

30:59 Speaker 2: the desert, the desert of let I think it was Turkey,

31:03 Speaker 2: just desolate and they were guarding a box.

31:05 Speaker 3: They didn't know what was in the box, but.

31:07 Speaker 2: It was this huge wooden crete and they were told

31:11 Speaker 2: not to get near it, don't open it, you know,

31:15 Speaker 2: if anyone approaches it, shoot them on site. And they

31:19 Speaker 2: just didn't know what the hell that they were that

31:21 Speaker 2: they were doing, and a craft or what seemed to

31:26 Speaker 2: be a craft came over them him and his partner

31:29 Speaker 2: that night, and that's what sparked his interest in UFOs

31:34 Speaker 2: and and he later found out that what was most

31:39 Speaker 2: likely in the crate was some sort of.

31:44 Speaker 3: Uh.

31:44 Speaker 2: They intercepted a nuclear a piece of a nuclear weapon,

31:49 Speaker 2: because you can't ship the whole nuclear weapon. You gotta

31:52 Speaker 2: ship it in parts, right, So that because that's how

31:55 Speaker 2: bad you know, state actors do things they can't the

31:58 Speaker 2: bad actors.

31:59 Speaker 3: You can't.

31:59 Speaker 2: You can't just ship a nuclear weapon, you know, across

32:02 Speaker 2: state borders.

32:02 Speaker 3: It's not how it works. So the US intercepted a

32:08 Speaker 3: piece of it and that's what was in the create

32:11 Speaker 3: Jerry Jeremy suspects. So YadA, YadA, YadA.

32:15 Speaker 2: Jeremy ends up contacting unidentified he gets on the show,

32:21 Speaker 2: he ends up becoming friends with Lou.

32:24 Speaker 1: And then.

32:26 Speaker 3: Stays behind the curtain. What Jeremy says is that.

32:31 Speaker 2: Lou is full of shit, that he's that that he

32:36 Speaker 2: is making it all up, YadA ya. You know, uh

32:40 Speaker 2: that Jeremy doesn't really believe anything that Lou says.

32:44 Speaker 3: Uh. There there was a lot of false promises made.

32:47 Speaker 3: There was a lot of tom foolery, if you will.

32:53 Speaker 2: Uh.

32:53 Speaker 3: So, Jeremy I think has an asta grind with Lou,

32:56 Speaker 3: which I think could cloud his judgment a bit.

33:00 Speaker 2: It But but we've seen in the UFO community. Wow,

33:09 Speaker 2: being at the top like this can affect you. Look

33:11 Speaker 2: at what happened with like Stephen career right, who started

33:15 Speaker 2: off as what I would say is purely intent, like

33:19 Speaker 2: had pure intentions.

33:20 Speaker 3: In the beginning.

33:22 Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's not fair to say that people don't

33:24 Speaker 2: become money hungry.

33:30 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, when you when you have a lot

33:32 Speaker 1: of attention on you too, Like it happens in music

33:35 Speaker 1: as well. You know, if if when somebody gets famous,

33:38 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you see, you see people get

33:40 Speaker 1: famous and then go on ego trips and so forth

33:45 Speaker 1: pretty pretty regularly all over the place. That's certainly not

33:50 Speaker 1: unique to UFO world. So well, and I mean I

33:56 Speaker 1: don't know much about about that with lou particularly, so

33:59 Speaker 1: I couldn't really say much, but you know, I know

34:02 Speaker 1: there was I know I saw some stuff about you know,

34:05 Speaker 1: he made some predictions that didn't come true or whatever.

34:08 Speaker 1: And that happens all the time, you know, and in

34:12 Speaker 1: remote viewing you get it's it's like baseball, you know,

34:17 Speaker 1: you don't you don't bat a thousand, Nobody bats a thousand.

34:20 Speaker 1: Sometimes you'll strike out, sometimes you'll hit a home run.

34:22 Speaker 1: A lot of the time you'll be somewhere in between.

34:26 Speaker 3: But I agree, yeah, I agree, I agree.

34:29 Speaker 2: But so essentially he broke down because once he was

34:34 Speaker 2: in the inner circle.

34:35 Speaker 3: This is Jeremy I'm speaking of.

34:38 Speaker 2: He said that Sean Khill and Lou were basically like

34:47 Speaker 2: it was like this whole facade that Sean on the

34:53 Speaker 2: ride to Lose House because they decided not the fly.

34:56 Speaker 2: They drove from you know wherever to where, but it

35:00 Speaker 2: took multiple days.

35:02 Speaker 3: So Sean asked him.

35:04 Speaker 2: Some probing questions in the car just as they were

35:07 Speaker 2: getting to know each other, and then Jeremy thinks that

35:11 Speaker 2: Sean passed that information to Lou because once they got

35:15 Speaker 2: to Lose House, Lou started predicting Jeremy's future and it

35:21 Speaker 2: included some of the information that he had provided to Sean.

35:26 Speaker 2: But what Sean did know was that Jeremy had an

35:30 Speaker 2: ex wife as well. So I'm not going to get

35:33 Speaker 2: into a full story, but yeah, like there was a

35:36 Speaker 2: lot of things wrong, but that could have been frontal loading,

35:42 Speaker 2: you know. That's what that could be, is a front

35:47 Speaker 2: like we've talked about in our own sessions that we've

35:50 Speaker 2: done together. So again, like now, back then when I

35:56 Speaker 2: talked to Jeremy, I was a little bit more like

35:59 Speaker 2: I had my line in the sand, and maybe a

36:02 Speaker 2: remote viewing was a bit over that line, But now

36:06 Speaker 2: my line has moved up, so I'm kind of thinking

36:09 Speaker 2: of it from a different aspect. Could Could they have

36:14 Speaker 2: been trying to impress Jeremy Sean front loaded Lou Lou

36:18 Speaker 2: did his thing, got a couple things right, a couple

36:21 Speaker 2: of things wrong, but just enough for Jeremy to be like,

36:25 Speaker 2: h it's all.

36:26 Speaker 3: Bullshit, you know what I mean?

36:29 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's tough. Like I know, you look at

36:34 Speaker 1: what's his name there, super famous Israeli guy, psychic? Why

36:41 Speaker 1: can't I think of his name?

36:44 Speaker 3: So there's Ingo.

36:45 Speaker 2: Swan, there's oh, I know what you're talking about.

36:51 Speaker 1: Yeah, God, oh god? Why is this sickness? Brain? You're

36:57 Speaker 1: a yellow mornings or you're a yelling Yeah. So like

37:01 Speaker 1: he was, he was a performative psychic, and I get

37:04 Speaker 1: you know, he had been called out for faking it

37:06 Speaker 1: some on occasion, right, And and I mean that's why

37:09 Speaker 1: I don't like doing like performative psychic stuff. I've done

37:13 Speaker 1: it and I will do it, but it's like you

37:17 Speaker 1: know it sometimes you miss you're taking a risk if

37:19 Speaker 1: you're gonna if you're gonna try and do something like that, right,

37:23 Speaker 1: and and if you're good at pressure like I I've

37:26 Speaker 1: done okay on when I've attempted live remote viewing stuff,

37:29 Speaker 1: and I think it's because I am a performer, Like

37:31 Speaker 1: I've I've been performing on stages my you know, since

37:35 Speaker 1: I was a teenager. So I feel like maybe it

37:38 Speaker 1: doesn't bother me as much. But again, like I prefer

37:41 Speaker 1: to kind of just work one on one with people

37:43 Speaker 1: or or you know, do my stuff in the background

37:45 Speaker 1: and then like totally blind and then send it off

37:48 Speaker 1: to people and then have them kind of come back

37:50 Speaker 1: to me and say, okay, uh, dig deeper on element

37:54 Speaker 1: X or Y or whatever, just because it's you know,

37:58 Speaker 1: it's it's like putting yourself in a high stress position

38:02 Speaker 1: to be performative. And just the nature of psychic phenomenon

38:07 Speaker 1: itself is it's such a subtle thing. It's all subconscious

38:10 Speaker 1: and it's all you know, energy stuff. And if you

38:14 Speaker 1: if you put too many parameters around it, it can

38:18 Speaker 1: be particularly parameters that are rooted in sort of these

38:22 Speaker 1: ego type need to need to prove something, you know,

38:28 Speaker 1: like if I'm or A good example would be, you know,

38:32 Speaker 1: if I'm doing associated remote viewing, which is again you're

38:35 Speaker 1: trying to get a fifty to fifty choice and get

38:38 Speaker 1: it right more than fifty percent of the time, or

38:41 Speaker 1: as much as possible, really, which is what people use

38:43 Speaker 1: remote viewing to do, like gambling on sports bets and

38:46 Speaker 1: stuff like that. So if you if you have this

38:50 Speaker 1: sort of ego based need to be right, you're gonna

38:56 Speaker 1: screw it up a lot of the time. You're gonna

38:58 Speaker 1: you might displace like read the wrong target, which actually

39:02 Speaker 1: happened to me the other day, and or you might

39:05 Speaker 1: just completely botch the session and get nothing useful. But

39:10 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's tough, like it's interesting. Like the

39:13 Speaker 1: military program, you know they had they had obviously pressure

39:18 Speaker 1: because they knew they were doing operational targets. But I

39:21 Speaker 1: think for the most part they were, you know, either

39:22 Speaker 1: blind or double blind. And if you approach it from

39:25 Speaker 1: sort of a method where it's like a practice and

39:30 Speaker 1: you're just you're just doing it and it's not if

39:33 Speaker 1: you can remove any of that external pressure, it seems

39:36 Speaker 1: to work a lot better.

39:38 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and I but so so so, say Ali

39:43 Speaker 2: Zonda's book comes out, it's obviously going to be a

39:46 Speaker 2: major success because everyone in the community is going to

39:49 Speaker 2: be reading it. But do you think that this could

39:52 Speaker 2: end up, regardless being a positive thing for phenomena like

39:58 Speaker 2: RV because it would lend major exposure to it in

40:04 Speaker 2: the modern day.

40:06 Speaker 1: Yeah, I could. I mean it already sort of is

40:09 Speaker 1: like people are talking about it. We're talking about it

40:11 Speaker 1: right now. I think I think the more I think

40:13 Speaker 1: more people should talk about this subject. I find it

40:16 Speaker 1: absolutely fascinating. It's, you know, been one of the most

40:19 Speaker 1: interesting things I've ever discovered in my life as far

40:23 Speaker 1: as topics of discussion and exploration. So right, yeah, I

40:29 Speaker 1: think it would be. I think it's any anybody who's

40:31 Speaker 1: talking about remote viewing and taking it seriously is a

40:33 Speaker 1: positive thing.

40:36 Speaker 3: What if what So, what happens when everybody learns that

40:42 Speaker 3: they can be a remote viewer?

40:44 Speaker 1: Well, I mean I'd love for everybody to learn remote

40:48 Speaker 1: view What if.

40:52 Speaker 2: You and the moon mars everyone every day all day?

40:59 Speaker 1: I don't know would happen. The thing the thing about

41:02 Speaker 1: it is, it's, uh, it seems to be kind of

41:06 Speaker 1: like a psychedelic experience, like it tends to open you

41:10 Speaker 1: up and and sort of change your worldview a lot.

41:14 Speaker 1: And I think that's maybe why it hasn't taken off more.

41:17 Speaker 1: Is that like It's kind of an uncomfortable thing to

41:20 Speaker 1: learn how to do, because particularly if you don't believe

41:24 Speaker 1: in it at first, and then you're you're you dive

41:28 Speaker 1: into it and you're presented with this information that's contrary

41:32 Speaker 1: to your belief system. You know that that can kind

41:35 Speaker 1: of shatter your reality box or stretch it a bit

41:39 Speaker 1: at least, and that can be uncomfortable for people. It

41:42 Speaker 1: was uncomfortable for me at certain points, but you I

41:47 Speaker 1: flged through the discomfort and kept going because my fascination

41:51 Speaker 1: outweighed my discomfort. And I think that was a beneficial

41:55 Speaker 1: thing for me to do because now I'm pretty good

41:58 Speaker 1: at it and I use it. Just on the other

42:00 Speaker 1: side of that discomfort is that you know, innate psychic

42:05 Speaker 1: ability that that you can then sort of just have

42:09 Speaker 1: running in the background. And this is like if you

42:11 Speaker 1: do some proper training and you work at it for

42:13 Speaker 1: a while, it's not going to happen on day one,

42:17 Speaker 1: but if you put it, you know, I I when

42:20 Speaker 1: I started, I did. I went super hard for like

42:22 Speaker 1: two months, and at the end of those two months,

42:27 Speaker 1: I I felt like my intuition was sharper, like I

42:31 Speaker 1: was just and you know, in the in the in

42:34 Speaker 1: the years that that preceded, I kept doing it. I

42:37 Speaker 1: wasn't you know, doing it every day or anything after that.

42:40 Speaker 1: But it's you know, it's it's a tough thing. It's

42:44 Speaker 1: it's like you need to pace yourself. You need to

42:47 Speaker 1: you need to rest your mind, especially when you kind

42:51 Speaker 1: of shatter yourself with with this, because like it that's

42:56 Speaker 1: the thing. Like and in Jeremy's article he talks about,

43:00 Speaker 1: well they fostered belief, Well they kept they you know,

43:04 Speaker 1: they tried to get them to believe that it was real.

43:06 Speaker 1: It's like, well, there's actually statistical data that shows that,

43:11 Speaker 1: you know, there's something like a five percent buff if

43:15 Speaker 1: you believe in this stuff. Look the placebo effect for example.

43:17 Speaker 1: You know that's everybody knows the placebo effect. That's the

43:20 Speaker 1: medical equivalent of it. But there's a great book which

43:24 Speaker 1: I actually have right here, called Real Magic by Dean

43:28 Speaker 1: Rayden from the Institute of Noadic Sciences, And I thought

43:34 Speaker 1: maybe i'd open right to the right page. That happens sometimes,

43:37 Speaker 1: but he's got he goes through some research that he

43:41 Speaker 1: did where they had people try remote viewing exercises and

43:49 Speaker 1: so just.

43:49 Speaker 3: Normal just like never done it before people.

43:53 Speaker 1: Yeah, but they categorized the groups with people who believed

43:58 Speaker 1: in psychic phenomenon and people who didn't, and the people

44:01 Speaker 1: who already believed did better by again like five percent.

44:05 Speaker 1: So you know that's and I think they had like

44:09 Speaker 1: it was a pretty good amount of trials that they did,

44:12 Speaker 1: Like it was a statistically significant result. And Dean Rayden's

44:16 Speaker 1: a proper scientist. He doesn't screw around, and he's a

44:19 Speaker 1: remote viewer, and and well, let me he knows that

44:22 Speaker 1: all this stuff works.

44:24 Speaker 3: So let me, let me, let me pose a thought

44:26 Speaker 3: to you.

44:29 Speaker 2: Let let's say lou is still working for the government

44:32 Speaker 2: to some degree, coult this book be part of some

44:40 Speaker 2: larger grand scheme for a slow, slow drip disclosure and

44:46 Speaker 2: pushing it forward. I mean, you think about all the

44:49 Speaker 2: interviews Alexander did up until about a year and a

44:54 Speaker 2: half ago, I would say, uh, and then just completely

44:59 Speaker 2: went off the map, off the grid, and started working

45:03 Speaker 2: behind the scenes writing this book, YadA, YadA. Do you

45:08 Speaker 2: think that this could potentially be part of a larger

45:13 Speaker 2: slow drip disclosure to garner the public to essentially get

45:22 Speaker 2: them ready for something that's coming.

45:26 Speaker 1: I don't know if it'll I don't know if it's

45:28 Speaker 1: an intentional thing to serve that purpose, but I think

45:31 Speaker 1: it will contribute to that. It doesn't feel like, you know,

45:38 Speaker 1: some some planned thing. Maybe it's planned between lou and

45:43 Speaker 1: some of the people he's working with, but I don't

45:46 Speaker 1: think it's some big I tend to I tend to

45:50 Speaker 1: shy away from the big conspiracy stuff with with this

45:53 Speaker 1: in the sense that I've heard it all and I'm

45:56 Speaker 1: not really convinced that the government is is that well

46:01 Speaker 1: organized smart, that's the smart people working for them. But

46:06 Speaker 1: the more complex the system is, the more challenging it

46:10 Speaker 1: is to manage, right.

46:12 Speaker 3: And individuals are.

46:14 Speaker 1: There's also I think a lot of stuff going on

46:16 Speaker 1: at kind of you know, energetic subconscious levels collectively among

46:23 Speaker 1: humanity that you know, if this stuff, I think is

46:27 Speaker 1: eventually meant to come out and to help us evolve

46:30 Speaker 1: as a species, whether that's even even even looking at

46:34 Speaker 1: remote viewing, like maybe maybe that is meant to be

46:39 Speaker 1: a thing that helps people realize that, oh hey, we

46:42 Speaker 1: can do psychic stuff like that's real. Oh hey, the

46:45 Speaker 1: universe is made of energy. That's crazy. Oh wait, the

46:49 Speaker 1: pontam physicists are already saying all that, Oh wait, I

46:52 Speaker 1: can tune into that energy with my mind. Holy this

46:55 Speaker 1: is crazy. So that's kind of the short version of

46:58 Speaker 1: the journey I've been on the last couple of years.

47:01 Speaker 1: But you get those realizations, and it changes your worldview

47:05 Speaker 1: as your as you dive into this topic and and

47:08 Speaker 1: this information, and it it shifts the way you behave

47:13 Speaker 1: because how can it not like it it's not perfect,

47:19 Speaker 1: and it's it's a it's a journey like it's it's

47:21 Speaker 1: you know, the the journey of enlightenment, they call it,

47:24 Speaker 1: you know, like it's it's it's that same thing that

47:26 Speaker 1: people mystics have been doing for thousands of years. But

47:31 Speaker 1: remote viewing is just kind of the latest addition to

47:35 Speaker 1: that that pile of things, of tools that people can

47:39 Speaker 1: use to to go down those kind of spiritual paths.

47:42 Speaker 1: I think, I think all of this is more of

47:45 Speaker 1: a spiritual thing than a nuts and bolts thing than

47:48 Speaker 1: most of us tend to give it credit for. You know, again,

47:54 Speaker 1: like the correlation between angels and aliens and and stuff

47:58 Speaker 1: in the Bible and and in deep history and art

48:02 Speaker 1: and ancient aliens and all that kind of stuff. I

48:05 Speaker 1: think it is sort of more of the UFO thing

48:09 Speaker 1: in general is more of sort of a story arc

48:12 Speaker 1: for humanity itself and where we've been, where we're going

48:18 Speaker 1: long term. I think I think that's maybe going to

48:21 Speaker 1: be part of where this goes. And that's I think

48:25 Speaker 1: consistent with like the jacquel A type theory about you know,

48:29 Speaker 1: this being interdimensional and non physical and all that kind

48:33 Speaker 1: of stuff. Excuse me, but yeah, all I know is

48:40 Speaker 1: that it's incredibly fascinating and I'm glad I dove down

48:45 Speaker 1: the rabbit hole and I did.

48:47 Speaker 3: It.

48:47 Speaker 1: Feels time to learn remote viewing. You know, we're at

48:49 Speaker 1: kind of the the peak of chaos and uncertainty in society,

48:53 Speaker 1: at least as long as I can remember and intuition,

48:59 Speaker 1: you know, training remote viewing trains your intuition like a muscle.

49:03 Speaker 1: It's uh, that's that's I think the biggest benefit of it,

49:07 Speaker 1: whether you're using it for operational stuff to get detailed

49:10 Speaker 1: information about specific things. Sorry, I think that's irrelevant to

49:19 Speaker 1: most people, Like most of us aren't going to be

49:22 Speaker 1: trying to remote view you know, operational targets uh on

49:29 Speaker 1: on an individual level, though by proper it's going to

49:34 Speaker 1: help you develop your intuition and your inner bullshit detector.

49:39 Speaker 1: That's that's how I always describe it.

49:41 Speaker 3: Sorry, I didn't mean to catch you off there.

49:43 Speaker 2: Yeah, if you okay, The c I A arguably started

49:54 Speaker 2: whatever they tapped into this this phenomena. Do you think

50:00 Speaker 2: that they have hardened their facilities some way against remote

50:05 Speaker 2: viewing it? Is there a way that you could hide

50:10 Speaker 2: from a remote viewer? Is that possible?

50:14 Speaker 1: I mean it all works on intention, right, So I

50:17 Speaker 1: think you know, if you don't want somebody to know

50:20 Speaker 1: something enough, then they're not gonna there's that psychic noise

50:25 Speaker 1: that you're gonna have to break through if you're trying

50:27 Speaker 1: to figure that thing out, right, Like I it's all

50:30 Speaker 1: it's all intention and energy, and from what I can tell,

50:35 Speaker 1: it works best when your intentions are positive. You know.

50:39 Speaker 1: I think I think there's elements of karma involved. So

50:43 Speaker 1: if you're trying to use this stuff for shady shit,

50:45 Speaker 1: it's probably gonna bite you in the ass.

50:48 Speaker 3: Like getting rich.

50:50 Speaker 1: Well, that's that's it. Like I've had very little success

50:53 Speaker 1: winning the lottery with this. I know other people. I

50:56 Speaker 1: know lots of people who tried too, and it's like

50:59 Speaker 1: you see people, people will get little wins. I'll get

51:01 Speaker 1: two out of three on the pick three pretty regularly,

51:04 Speaker 1: and it's fun. It's a fun little thing to try.

51:06 Speaker 1: But you know, I don't think any again that comes

51:10 Speaker 1: back to this ego stuff, Like it's so tied to

51:12 Speaker 1: psychology and the subconscious and this idea of the ego

51:17 Speaker 1: versus the higher self. At least once you really get

51:19 Speaker 1: into into remote viewing. That's the part of it that

51:23 Speaker 1: I think is the most interesting and that nobody's really

51:26 Speaker 1: talking about. Like, yeah, it's a cool skill. You can

51:29 Speaker 1: find specific information about non local targets, but the way

51:35 Speaker 1: it seems to work is on this level of like

51:39 Speaker 1: quantum energy information transfer and deeply intertwined with psychology and

51:48 Speaker 1: neuroscience and the way the human mind operates, which we

51:52 Speaker 1: also don't know very much about. Really, you know, we

51:57 Speaker 1: still don't have a definitive answer on what consciousness is.

52:03 Speaker 1: I think remote viewing does a lot to make the

52:06 Speaker 1: case that consciousness is not local to the physical brain.

52:12 Speaker 1: I think, just based on the idea that we can

52:17 Speaker 1: we can consciously perceive stuff that is not specific to

52:21 Speaker 1: us and our current environment, I think it actually makes

52:24 Speaker 1: the case that consciousness is sort of an underlying you know,

52:30 Speaker 1: piece of reality that is you know, intertwines everything. You

52:35 Speaker 1: know that everything is consciousness, that that whole, that whole theory.

52:39 Speaker 3: Well, isn't it weird?

52:41 Speaker 2: That?

52:41 Speaker 3: Okay? Actually, you know what? How was I going to

52:43 Speaker 3: do this?

52:44 Speaker 2: But I wonder if I can This is a picture

52:49 Speaker 2: of the of the It's a picture of the universe.

52:55 Speaker 2: These are all stars right right? What if I showed

53:01 Speaker 2: you a picture of a close up of a beach,

53:06 Speaker 2: it would look exactly.

53:07 Speaker 3: The exactly the same, right now?

53:13 Speaker 1: Why is it?

53:15 Speaker 2: Why is it that on a micro scale, every it

53:19 Speaker 2: resembles the macro and vice versa.

53:23 Speaker 3: Why is it?

53:23 Speaker 1: Like?

53:24 Speaker 3: Why? You know?

53:25 Speaker 2: Because then then we get to it and maybe I

53:29 Speaker 2: could play this little video for a little for help,

54:35 Speaker 2: so you see what I'm saying, Like above as above,

54:41 Speaker 2: so below there we go.

54:44 Speaker 3: So what could we be living in some sort of

54:48 Speaker 3: or it's consciousness just the universe's way of experiencing all reality,

54:56 Speaker 3: all at the speed of now right, at the speed

54:59 Speaker 3: of now out. Not the speed of why not sound,

55:02 Speaker 3: but the speed of now right.

55:05 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think consciousness renders the hologram for

55:09 Speaker 1: us or our awareness, our body, our bodily systems render

55:15 Speaker 1: what consciousness is is putting forward to us from this

55:19 Speaker 1: you know, fractal holographic, you know, root level of reality.

55:26 Speaker 1: It's too early for me to really get into the

55:30 Speaker 1: weeds on that stuff, I think. But there's a great

55:32 Speaker 1: book called on the Mechanics of Consciousness by a guy

55:36 Speaker 1: named Yit sac Bentov, and it's like it goes wicked

55:41 Speaker 1: deep into this stuff. And he's like, I don't think

55:44 Speaker 1: he's like a scientist. He's he's kind of more of

55:46 Speaker 1: an intuitive what's up you just you just.

55:49 Speaker 3: Sounded like you were from Boston?

55:51 Speaker 1: Oh did I? Oh? Yeah, wicked as man.

55:58 Speaker 2: Dude, I fucking poked my car over at the over

56:01 Speaker 2: at the bah.

56:02 Speaker 3: Let's get some wicked good food. Huh.

56:04 Speaker 1: Nice.

56:04 Speaker 2: But listen, I argue, you know the saying if a

56:08 Speaker 2: tree falls in the woods and no one's around to

56:12 Speaker 2: hear it, does it make a noise? I argue, the

56:15 Speaker 2: tree the woods and nothing exists unless someone is observing it.

56:20 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, there is the whole quantum observer effect, which

56:24 Speaker 1: is interesting to think about that within remote viewing. There's

56:27 Speaker 1: some discussion on that too, like if we if we

56:30 Speaker 1: remote view the future, are we impacting the events that

56:33 Speaker 1: we're viewing just by viewing them. I think probably, I

56:36 Speaker 1: think I think that's likely, which I think maybe is

56:40 Speaker 1: you know perhaps, and this is like I'm going way

56:44 Speaker 1: out there on this one. But if if somebody reviews

56:50 Speaker 1: a a remote views a future event, like a catastrophic event,

56:57 Speaker 1: and then that doesn't happen, it doesn't transpire. Did that

57:02 Speaker 1: viewing of it and you know, being like, oh, that's terrible,

57:05 Speaker 1: I don't want that to happen. Does that somehow cause

57:08 Speaker 1: it not to happen? You know, I want I wonder

57:11 Speaker 1: if some of these things, because you get you get

57:13 Speaker 1: to let you see a lot of in the kind

57:14 Speaker 1: of future forecasting type remote viewing that people do, either

57:19 Speaker 1: either events that are kind of big and scary don't happen,

57:23 Speaker 1: or they end up being a lot less intense. And

57:26 Speaker 1: I think the intensity part is maybe that the viewer

57:28 Speaker 1: is kind of experiencing it directly. So, you know, a

57:33 Speaker 1: bomb going off somewhere in the world is going to

57:37 Speaker 1: be a lot more scary to the people that are

57:39 Speaker 1: near to that event and experiencing it directly than somebody

57:43 Speaker 1: on the other side of the world who's watching it

57:44 Speaker 1: on the news. Right, So maybe part of it is

57:48 Speaker 1: that because when you are remote viewing your you're you're

57:51 Speaker 1: perceiving kind of the specific on the ground details and

57:55 Speaker 1: things that are happening.

57:57 Speaker 3: Right, But uh, ask a question.

58:00 Speaker 1: There's so many mysteries about this stuff.

58:01 Speaker 2: Man, when you remote view, say you did remote view

58:09 Speaker 2: something like Hiroshima, can you feel emotion?

58:16 Speaker 1: Yes? I have a buddy who did that session that

58:21 Speaker 1: he did that He did Hiroshima as one of his

58:25 Speaker 1: early targets and it sucked him right up, like just

58:28 Speaker 1: it was a really unpleasant I I one of my

58:31 Speaker 1: early targets I did was a disaster type target, and

58:36 Speaker 1: it was I saw people's like skin melting off, like

58:40 Speaker 1: it was fucked. It was not good. And so that's

58:43 Speaker 1: the thing you gotta be careful about too. And and

58:46 Speaker 1: you know that's when I train people. I don't give

58:48 Speaker 1: them targets that are gonna have that kind of effect

58:53 Speaker 1: on people, Like if you're doing military targets, like that's

58:57 Speaker 1: the kind of stuff that the star Gate and Proceeding

59:02 Speaker 1: programs like they were doing military targets, so they were

59:05 Speaker 1: getting some gritty stuff and and you know, you've got

59:08 Speaker 1: to have a fairly powerful mind to not let that

59:11 Speaker 1: affect you. So it's important to it's important to have

59:14 Speaker 1: like energetic protection when you're doing remote viewing and and

59:18 Speaker 1: to kind of separate yourself a little bit and be

59:22 Speaker 1: be cognizant of when you are emotionally resonating with stuff,

59:26 Speaker 1: because emotional resonance is a big part of remote viewing.

59:29 Speaker 1: Like that's that's a lot of how you get I

59:32 Speaker 1: think it's more that than anything. And it's more that

59:34 Speaker 1: we're kind of interpreting the emotions. I think all the

59:37 Speaker 1: information actually kind of comes in through the the heart portal,

59:40 Speaker 1: like the heart chakra. H to get weird and esoteric

59:44 Speaker 1: about it, but and then the mind kind of you know,

59:49 Speaker 1: deciphers that that more emotional information. And there is research

59:53 Speaker 1: to support that too. The Institute of Heart Math has

59:55 Speaker 1: done a lot of good stuff on intuition and and

1:00:00 Speaker 1: and uh the heart heart mind connection and all that

1:00:02 Speaker 1: kind of stuff. But uh, yeah, it's important to be

1:00:07 Speaker 1: you know, to to if you're going if you're getting

1:00:09 Speaker 1: into remote viewing, it's important to do targets that are

1:00:12 Speaker 1: safe if you want to protect yourself from from having

1:00:17 Speaker 1: a bad time. And for the same reason I wouldn't

1:00:20 Speaker 1: recommend anybody does these kind of wo targets like UFOs

1:00:24 Speaker 1: and stuff, until they've had a lot of training and

1:00:28 Speaker 1: and and gotten familiar with the process and the procedures

1:00:33 Speaker 1: and how it feels and and how how it affects

1:00:36 Speaker 1: you after a session, even if you're doing a mundane

1:00:38 Speaker 1: target like it can be, as I said earlier, kind

1:00:41 Speaker 1: of a mind blowing thing to do this for the

1:00:44 Speaker 1: first couple of times, and even now, it still blows

1:00:47 Speaker 1: my mind that I can get this stuff right, Like

1:00:49 Speaker 1: it's it's it's always crazy to me.

1:00:52 Speaker 3: You almost amaze yourself at the ability.

1:00:56 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, at first, that's the thing, Like, it's just

1:00:58 Speaker 1: every single target is like, whoa.

1:01:01 Speaker 3: I can believe I did that? Yeah? Yeah.

1:01:04 Speaker 2: Do you think that there's a chance that people like

1:01:07 Speaker 2: say Nostra Damis and Tesla and Einstein and some of

1:01:15 Speaker 2: the other geniuses that you know, because they told they

1:01:18 Speaker 2: would say often that they were channeling.

1:01:21 Speaker 1: Yep.

1:01:22 Speaker 3: Do you think that they were doing something close to

1:01:24 Speaker 3: remote viewing.

1:01:25 Speaker 1: I think they were doing the exact same thing, but

1:01:28 Speaker 1: without a remote viewing structure around it. Yeah, it's those

1:01:31 Speaker 1: are the type of people I would call rock star intuitives.

1:01:35 Speaker 1: Tesla and Einstein in particular. I have used that phrase

1:01:38 Speaker 1: before about them.

1:01:39 Speaker 2: Because think about this, why would ein so Einstein wrote

1:01:44 Speaker 2: the letter to the president that initiated the sequencing of

1:01:51 Speaker 2: the bomb, right, the only reason that that the bomb

1:01:55 Speaker 2: was created as fast and when it was was because

1:02:00 Speaker 2: Einstein wrote that letter. Did he see something terrible on?

1:02:07 Speaker 2: Because it arguably, if if Einstein never writes that letter,

1:02:11 Speaker 2: we don't go down a nuclear path, no not, then

1:02:15 Speaker 2: at least if someone probably would have cracked the code eventually.

1:02:19 Speaker 3: But Oppenheimer all that nothing, nothing like that happens.

1:02:23 Speaker 2: So do you think this is a side effect of

1:02:26 Speaker 2: what happens when you do get involved and try.

1:02:30 Speaker 1: To change Yeah, that's an interesting question because I mean,

1:02:36 Speaker 1: then you gotta you gotta, you gotta wonder, like, was

1:02:39 Speaker 1: that was that horrible event something that needed to happen

1:02:43 Speaker 1: in history for us to get somewhere else? I don't know,

1:02:47 Speaker 1: you know, it's that's that's the kind of stuff that's

1:02:49 Speaker 1: well beyond my ability to to say. And there's you know,

1:02:54 Speaker 1: there's so much that goes into that. But I mean,

1:02:56 Speaker 1: I think Einstein was a fairly intuitive guy.

1:03:01 Speaker 2: Very I mean, you've seen that, you've seen his brain, right,

1:03:05 Speaker 2: seen his brain.

1:03:07 Speaker 3: Have you seen his brain?

1:03:08 Speaker 2: No, when he died at the age of whatever, eighty something,

1:03:13 Speaker 2: his brain looked like a twenty year old's.

1:03:16 Speaker 3: Oh it made no sense.

1:03:18 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think. I think doing doing creative stuff is

1:03:22 Speaker 1: good for the brain. Uh And and any intuition process

1:03:25 Speaker 1: like remote viewing is a creative process at its root,

1:03:28 Speaker 1: I think. And you know, it's it's the same. It's

1:03:32 Speaker 1: the same ideas as taking care of your body. If

1:03:34 Speaker 1: you're if you're if you're exercising that you know, intuitive

1:03:40 Speaker 1: system regularly, it's going to stay strong. Uh And And

1:03:44 Speaker 1: Einstein certainly was doing that, you know he was. He

1:03:47 Speaker 1: was a deep thinker. He was constantly you know, he

1:03:49 Speaker 1: went for a lot of walks and you know, to me,

1:03:52 Speaker 1: walking as a meditation, like I go for walks to

1:03:55 Speaker 1: get clarity and and uh, you know, commune with nature

1:03:59 Speaker 1: and all that stuff. But yeah, I mean to say,

1:04:04 Speaker 1: whether he knew he was going to create some horrible

1:04:11 Speaker 1: things then, I don't know. I know, in hindsight he

1:04:14 Speaker 1: certainly struggled with it.

1:04:18 Speaker 4: I can't find it.

1:04:19 Speaker 1: But you know, this is this is where things get weird,

1:04:24 Speaker 1: and you have to start talking about the idea of

1:04:26 Speaker 1: fate versus free will, right, Like, are some things faded

1:04:31 Speaker 1: to happen? I think maybe? I think maybe there are

1:04:34 Speaker 1: certain things that are faded to happen, and we we

1:04:39 Speaker 1: get some some leeway and how we get to them.

1:04:41 Speaker 1: But I think a lot of us maybe sign up

1:04:43 Speaker 1: for certain certain things that that we know are going

1:04:47 Speaker 1: to happen in the future, maybe before we get here,

1:04:49 Speaker 1: and when they when they transpire, you know, we we

1:04:53 Speaker 1: participate in them in whatever way we're meant to. It's again,

1:04:58 Speaker 1: now we're getting into the far right WU territory a

1:05:01 Speaker 1: little bit, but it's it's interesting stuff to think about,

1:05:05 Speaker 1: you know, right for sure.

1:05:07 Speaker 2: And I just it just makes me wonder, like like

1:05:14 Speaker 2: the geniuses of the world, Like, uh, I mean, you

1:05:18 Speaker 2: can arguably say Elon Musk, now, uh, Elon Musk, I

1:05:22 Speaker 2: would say, he's like the most modern day, you know,

1:05:26 Speaker 2: kind of genius out there.

1:05:28 Speaker 3: But are these people able to tap because they seem

1:05:32 Speaker 3: to have.

1:05:33 Speaker 2: Some sort of drive that just regular people don't like everyone,

1:05:36 Speaker 2: even Rogan asks Musk, like, how the fuck do you

1:05:41 Speaker 2: find time to run the boring company's space x Twitter right,

1:05:48 Speaker 2: and still time five find time to like, you know, uh,

1:05:53 Speaker 2: just be a human.

1:05:55 Speaker 1: He works very hard, but he also outsources a ton

1:05:59 Speaker 1: of stuff. So I'm sure that's part of it.

1:06:03 Speaker 2: But you just got to wonder if, like some of

1:06:06 Speaker 2: these people are on another level, right, that they are

1:06:11 Speaker 2: that maybe because the way I see it is, we

1:06:15 Speaker 2: are the pinnacle of.

1:06:19 Speaker 3: On Earth, right, we.

1:06:23 Speaker 2: Construct the world around us the way we see fit.

1:06:27 Speaker 2: There's nothing that is essentially attacking us and going to

1:06:32 Speaker 2: make us evolve physically. I think the next stage is

1:06:37 Speaker 2: an evolution will all come in the mind and in

1:06:41 Speaker 2: the brain, right, because that's the only place that we're

1:06:44 Speaker 2: actually being challenged at this point.

1:06:46 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would suggest that developing intuition is probably the

1:06:53 Speaker 1: next stage of that sort of non physical evolution, and

1:07:00 Speaker 1: it'll probably have physical effects too, Like the physical body

1:07:03 Speaker 1: is certainly very involved. Like I get I get feelings

1:07:08 Speaker 1: in my body for remote viewing sessions all the time,

1:07:11 Speaker 1: Like it's you feel the warmth or the cold or whatever,

1:07:17 Speaker 1: like that session we did a couple of weeks ago

1:07:20 Speaker 1: where I ended up in the desert somewhere and I

1:07:23 Speaker 1: was feeling like warmth and the grittiness of the sand

1:07:27 Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff. So like, and you know,

1:07:31 Speaker 1: I try to exercise fairly regularly too, And and I

1:07:35 Speaker 1: think that helps me to be better at the psychic

1:07:38 Speaker 1: stuff too. It's it's, you know, the the vessel is

1:07:42 Speaker 1: you know, the the meat suit is the the the

1:07:47 Speaker 1: computer hardware I guess for the consciousness software. That's kind

1:07:53 Speaker 1: of another look at it too. But yeah, you know

1:07:57 Speaker 1: we've got this. You get this quantum meat suit that

1:08:00 Speaker 1: you can use to do whatever, to do all the

1:08:06 Speaker 1: wacky psychic stuff. And if you as long as you

1:08:08 Speaker 1: take care of it any practice and you you know,

1:08:11 Speaker 1: you do your monk like stuff, you'll get better and

1:08:14 Speaker 1: better and better at it. But yeah, that's it, Like

1:08:17 Speaker 1: it's a practice. You gotta you gotta make a practice

1:08:20 Speaker 1: of it if you want to get better at it,

1:08:21 Speaker 1: just like anything else.

1:08:23 Speaker 2: Right, right, right, And I want to ask you, I

1:08:29 Speaker 2: know this is like a really weird question, so I

1:08:32 Speaker 2: don't know, I don't know how to phrase it necessarily.

1:08:36 Speaker 3: I guess there is a date, right.

1:08:44 Speaker 2: Lots of people have thrown this date out there, including

1:08:46 Speaker 2: Alizondo himself saying that's something. And I've talked to mediums

1:08:55 Speaker 2: in Salem when I was filming there for the fil

1:08:58 Speaker 2: for the movie.

1:09:01 Speaker 3: About this date and what I've gotten is a wave.

1:09:09 Speaker 2: Now the person couldn't tell me if this wave was

1:09:13 Speaker 2: literal or metaphorical, but a way or metaphysical, Yeah, it

1:09:18 Speaker 2: could be that too.

1:09:19 Speaker 3: That's that's something I didn't even think of, but a

1:09:22 Speaker 3: wave of information.

1:09:25 Speaker 2: Lots of people suspect that twenty twenty seven is the

1:09:29 Speaker 2: disclosure date, and that's been something that's kind of a

1:09:33 Speaker 2: narrative that's been built around. Like I said, people like

1:09:36 Speaker 2: Alizondo back in twenty twenty two said, I think we're

1:09:39 Speaker 2: going to have a very different conversation in five years

1:09:43 Speaker 2: twenty twenty two plus five twenty twenty seven. John Ramirez

1:09:46 Speaker 2: XCIA kept referring to twenty twenty seven. This medium in

1:09:51 Speaker 2: my session randomly brings up twenty twenty seven. So do

1:09:56 Speaker 2: you have any information that can fill in some of

1:09:58 Speaker 2: these gaps?

1:10:00 Speaker 1: I don't, not specifically, but I do kind of feel

1:10:05 Speaker 1: like we're we're barreling towards a very different world and

1:10:10 Speaker 1: that we're you know, there's we're I think we're in

1:10:15 Speaker 1: revolutionary times right now and have been for a while,

1:10:19 Speaker 1: and perhaps.

1:10:20 Speaker 4: Revolutionary in in all kinds of senses, like just look

1:10:26 Speaker 4: at technology with AI, look at just the political chaos

1:10:32 Speaker 4: all over the world.

1:10:33 Speaker 1: Which I think is a symptom more so of just

1:10:37 Speaker 1: the suffering that people are undergoing under the current systems

1:10:41 Speaker 1: that that you know, we have, that the systems don't

1:10:46 Speaker 1: seem to be serving the people the way they perhaps

1:10:49 Speaker 1: could or should, and people are suffering because of that.

1:10:54 Speaker 1: And I mean, I think they were probably designed not

1:10:56 Speaker 1: to serve the people they were deserved to, designed to serve,

1:10:59 Speaker 1: you know, the people at the top. And you know,

1:11:02 Speaker 1: I think I think we are going to see a

1:11:04 Speaker 1: very different world, certainly by twenty thirty. I don't know

1:11:07 Speaker 1: if there's anything specific coming in twenty twenty seven, but

1:11:10 Speaker 1: I've also heard a lot of stuff, probably the same

1:11:12 Speaker 1: stuff you have, more similar, right, So it's it's I know,

1:11:18 Speaker 1: we're I know, we're living in a very interesting period

1:11:21 Speaker 1: of time, and I'm certainly going to keep following my

1:11:26 Speaker 1: own curiosity, uh and and trying to you know, I

1:11:32 Speaker 1: think I think you can just all you can really

1:11:34 Speaker 1: do is try to try to raise the vibes a

1:11:39 Speaker 1: bit in your own life and and pursue the things

1:11:43 Speaker 1: that bring you joy, and you know, try to try

1:11:48 Speaker 1: to not judge people too much. I think that's I

1:11:50 Speaker 1: think that's kind of the big thing. I think that's

1:11:53 Speaker 1: cause I think the judgment is what's causing a lot

1:11:55 Speaker 1: of problems. Everybody's judging everybody else for the way they

1:11:59 Speaker 1: want to leave or whatever. And I mean I've always

1:12:02 Speaker 1: been kind of like live and let live, you know,

1:12:04 Speaker 1: don't as long as you're not hurting anybody, do whatever

1:12:07 Speaker 1: you want and.

1:12:08 Speaker 3: Be whoever you want to be, and be the best.

1:12:10 Speaker 2: Version of that person or that being whatever. So you

1:12:18 Speaker 2: mentioned something earlier that kind of I jotted it down

1:12:22 Speaker 2: to bring up at the end. Do you think that

1:12:27 Speaker 2: you chose to come down and live Josh Maitland's life?

1:12:32 Speaker 1: Quite quite likely? Yeah, I think there. I mean I've

1:12:36 Speaker 1: read some some you know, the Dolores Cannon books where

1:12:40 Speaker 1: she does she does lots of regression hypnosis on people

1:12:43 Speaker 1: and got some fairly consistent results from that. That suggests,

1:12:48 Speaker 1: you know, there's kind of these in between life planning

1:12:52 Speaker 1: phases that people do. And you know, I wouldn't be

1:12:58 Speaker 1: surprised if when this is all over, the that becomes apparent.

1:13:01 Speaker 1: But I don't think we get to know that until

1:13:03 Speaker 1: until after the simulation ends, or at least at our

1:13:08 Speaker 1: current round of the of the simulation.

1:13:13 Speaker 3: And that's the.

1:13:14 Speaker 2: Crazy crazy, crazy, crazy crazy crazy part.

1:13:18 Speaker 3: I want to tell you a story the other day.

1:13:22 Speaker 2: Now, I know how this fucking sounds, dude, Like I

1:13:26 Speaker 2: know how it sounds. It sounds absolutely ridiculous. But all like,

1:13:34 Speaker 2: so I was driving, right, I was driving.

1:13:36 Speaker 1: I know what story you're gonna tell.

1:13:39 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was driving and there was this old Toyota

1:13:43 Speaker 2: behind me. So right off the bat, it was not

1:13:47 Speaker 2: a self driving car, because that's what people keep telling me.

1:13:50 Speaker 2: And I'm like, dude, this thing was this nineteen ninety

1:13:53 Speaker 2: three Toyota Camry.

1:13:55 Speaker 3: It is not self driving.

1:13:58 Speaker 2: It pulled up next to me at so it was

1:14:01 Speaker 2: behind me, and I noticed in my rear view mirror

1:14:04 Speaker 2: that I mean, now, it was twilight. So I was

1:14:08 Speaker 2: coming home from work and I look in my rear

1:14:11 Speaker 2: view mirror and I don't see anyone in the passenger seat.

1:14:14 Speaker 3: Now I'm kind of short myself. Oh shit, I'm kind

1:14:19 Speaker 3: of shirt myself. So when I sit in the driver's seat, like,

1:14:23 Speaker 3: if you're behind me, you probably wouldn't see my head

1:14:26 Speaker 3: over the seat, depending on on on whatever your vandag's point.

1:14:35 Speaker 3: But but.

1:14:38 Speaker 2: This person went from behind me to next to me

1:14:42 Speaker 2: to in front. Oh, this thing went from behind me

1:14:46 Speaker 2: to next to me, pulled up at the light light.

1:14:48 Speaker 3: I walked, dude, there was no one in the fucking

1:14:52 Speaker 3: driver's seat. And listen before anyone says anything. I my

1:14:58 Speaker 3: phone was GPS. I started shaking uncontrollably and it was

1:15:05 Speaker 3: becoming harder to drive. Everything in my fiber. Wanted to

1:15:09 Speaker 3: try to get video, but I swear if I tried,

1:15:12 Speaker 3: I would have crashed. I was. I was so taken

1:15:16 Speaker 3: aback and listen.

1:15:17 Speaker 2: I I looked because I was like, okay, it is

1:15:21 Speaker 2: a little dark out. Maybe a darker skinned person, black

1:15:26 Speaker 2: leather seats, you know. Maybe I'm just maybe my perceptions

1:15:31 Speaker 2: off right. So when he pulled up next to me,

1:15:33 Speaker 2: or it pulled up next to me, I literally like

1:15:38 Speaker 2: up down and I like move my angle. Dude, there

1:15:42 Speaker 2: was no one in this car. And then it green

1:15:45 Speaker 2: light sped past me, sped back. Dude, dude, I'm telling

1:15:50 Speaker 2: you there was nobody in this car.

1:15:52 Speaker 3: There's no one driving it.

1:15:54 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, could be what is that? It could

1:15:59 Speaker 1: be maybe it was a short person you missed. I

1:16:02 Speaker 1: don't know, there's no I don't believe it. I don't

1:16:07 Speaker 1: believe maybe maybe the trickster was messing with you or something.

1:16:13 Speaker 3: Do you want to know something really eerie?

1:16:15 Speaker 1: Were there was there any other traffic around?

1:16:17 Speaker 3: Yes, okay, I want to know something that's extra eerie.

1:16:23 Speaker 1: Sure, all right.

1:16:25 Speaker 2: I spread myself very thin lately, and I've been dealing

1:16:31 Speaker 2: with a lot of stress.

1:16:32 Speaker 3: And I was meditating and and this is.

1:16:37 Speaker 2: The morning of the incident, so the incident would take

1:16:40 Speaker 2: place about twelve hours later. In the meditation, I literally asked,

1:16:48 Speaker 2: show me something that would stop me dead in my tracks,

1:16:52 Speaker 2: let me know I'm on the right path.

1:16:55 Speaker 1: Okay, after that changes things a little bit.

1:16:59 Speaker 2: Yes, it was until after the event that I remembered

1:17:03 Speaker 2: the meditation.

1:17:05 Speaker 3: Because it just slipped my mind.

1:17:06 Speaker 2: I went throughout my day, went to work, you know,

1:17:10 Speaker 2: some work happened, you know, you kind of forget, and

1:17:13 Speaker 2: then this happened. And then when I got home and

1:17:15 Speaker 2: I'll clicked, like I asked for it.

1:17:19 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I've I've had similar experiences, but I got,

1:17:26 Speaker 1: you know, I was walking meditation, basically doing the CE

1:17:31 Speaker 1: five thing where I'm like, show me something, show me

1:17:36 Speaker 1: something interesting. I want to communicate with, you know, something

1:17:42 Speaker 1: non physical, and I got, I got, I got orbs

1:17:47 Speaker 1: in my uh, in my room that night. So yeah,

1:17:50 Speaker 1: if you ask for weird shit, man, you're gonna get it.

1:17:53 Speaker 1: And that's the thing if you're honest about it when

1:17:58 Speaker 1: you ask, if you really.

1:17:59 Speaker 2: Want your your your intentions need to be pure because honestly.

1:18:05 Speaker 1: And it works better if you're in you know, a

1:18:07 Speaker 1: meditative theta you know, alpha theta delta type some somewhere

1:18:14 Speaker 1: in those lower frequency type ranges where the subconscious is

1:18:21 Speaker 1: more active and the conscious awareness is less in control.

1:18:25 Speaker 1: In those lower frequency ranges, I think when you ask

1:18:29 Speaker 1: in the in those states, you get, you get better results.

1:18:32 Speaker 1: That's the state that you're in when you're doing most

1:18:33 Speaker 1: of the remote viewing, I think, or at least when

1:18:35 Speaker 1: I'm doing the best remote viewing, I'm in that kind

1:18:39 Speaker 1: of flow state, which is generally I think around the

1:18:42 Speaker 1: theta theta kind of band is where flow state lives.

1:18:46 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know some other another funny thing happened.

1:18:52 Speaker 3: I can't tell it yet.

1:18:53 Speaker 2: I can't say yet because my sister hasn't announced it,

1:18:58 Speaker 2: so I can't really I'm just gonna tease everybody some uh.

1:19:05 Speaker 2: The the thing that set me on the course right

1:19:09 Speaker 2: of doing this show was my mother's death. I watched

1:19:13 Speaker 2: her spirit leave the room. Right, yeah, dot dot dot right.

1:19:22 Speaker 2: So I'll tell the I'll tell the I'll tell you

1:19:24 Speaker 2: behind after we wrap up. But next week, next next Friday,

1:19:32 Speaker 2: I'll tell the full story. But the synchronicities are just

1:19:36 Speaker 2: outstanding lately.

1:19:39 Speaker 1: And it is there is when you when I know

1:19:43 Speaker 1: I'm on the right path. Is when I'm getting synchronous

1:19:45 Speaker 1: all the time.

1:19:46 Speaker 2: Dude left and right, boom boom boom, boom over over,

1:19:49 Speaker 2: slap me in the face. So I finally realized that

1:19:53 Speaker 2: I just.

1:19:54 Speaker 1: To you, man.

1:19:55 Speaker 3: Yeah, so when you give I just go black.

1:20:00 Speaker 1: You did.

1:20:03 Speaker 3: Camera died.

1:20:05 Speaker 1: That's okay. I got it going pretty soon too.

1:20:07 Speaker 3: So yeah, we'll wrap it up here. Let's so, I'm.

1:20:13 Speaker 2: Going to I want to just do this for you

1:20:15 Speaker 2: because I haven't put it in the description yet, but

1:20:18 Speaker 2: I want to give you the platform for a couple

1:20:21 Speaker 2: of minutes.

1:20:21 Speaker 3: Multiple people have asked in the.

1:20:23 Speaker 2: Comments that I saw, how can they learn remote viewing?

1:20:27 Speaker 2: Now Total Disclosure is going to be helping at least

1:20:34 Speaker 2: with what we can promoting your course for learning remote viewing.

1:20:41 Speaker 2: Now you have a free course and a paid course.

1:20:44 Speaker 2: So we're going to be including that link in the

1:20:46 Speaker 2: description below for everybody to take the free course and

1:20:50 Speaker 2: then determine if you want to take the paid course.

1:20:53 Speaker 2: Josh can give us a little brief background on what

1:20:57 Speaker 2: people would get if they do the course.

1:21:01 Speaker 1: Yeah, so the Rockstar Innuation Course, it's Rockstar Intuition dot Com.

1:21:06 Speaker 1: And there'll be Yeah, I guess I'll link it down

1:21:07 Speaker 1: below there. So it's it's essentially I've taken my own

1:21:13 Speaker 1: experience going through learning remote viewing and intuition and consciousness

1:21:19 Speaker 1: science and all this stuff, and I tried to distill

1:21:22 Speaker 1: it down into what I call a challenge. So you

1:21:29 Speaker 1: the first few chapters the free the free course, it

1:21:31 Speaker 1: kind of gives you the high level of what what

1:21:34 Speaker 1: is remote viewing, what is intuition? How do these things

1:21:37 Speaker 1: work together? We've talked about it a bit today. And

1:21:42 Speaker 1: once you once you take that free course, it'll get

1:21:45 Speaker 1: you kind of enough of the basic information to try

1:21:48 Speaker 1: a remote viewing session. And then the free course ends

1:21:50 Speaker 1: with your first remote viewing session, and it's a guided one.

1:21:54 Speaker 1: I take you through a little meditation first to kind

1:21:57 Speaker 1: of again get into that receptive eight to be able

1:22:01 Speaker 1: to capture that information and uh and then you just

1:22:04 Speaker 1: run the target. And I've had I've had some people

1:22:06 Speaker 1: do it and have really good success on that, even

1:22:09 Speaker 1: that first target. I was on a show last week

1:22:12 Speaker 1: and the host actually ran the whole free course right uh,

1:22:17 Speaker 1: right before we had our interviews. So then we ended

1:22:19 Speaker 1: up having a big chat about it after too, which

1:22:21 Speaker 1: was cool, and she crushed it too. She got all

1:22:24 Speaker 1: kinds of good information that was perfectly on target. She

1:22:27 Speaker 1: was like describing the smell of it to me and stuff,

1:22:29 Speaker 1: and I was like, I've actually been to this place

1:22:31 Speaker 1: and you got that right, So yeah, so it's it's cool.

1:22:36 Speaker 1: So it's it's uh. And again like I don't I

1:22:38 Speaker 1: don't give anybody targets that are going to mess them up,

1:22:41 Speaker 1: Like it's it's all.

1:22:45 Speaker 3: I'm not going to send you on the dark side

1:22:47 Speaker 3: of the Moon.

1:22:48 Speaker 1: No, nothing like that. No, it's all it's all mundane targets.

1:22:51 Speaker 1: And yeah, so I'm actually going to be doing a

1:22:55 Speaker 1: Sober October challenge for anyone that resonates with that. That'll

1:22:59 Speaker 1: be a different thing, but it's it's I'm gonna it's

1:23:02 Speaker 1: it's essentially going to be learn remote viewing as as

1:23:07 Speaker 1: a way to distract yourself from partying for the month,

1:23:10 Speaker 1: which is which is how I got into this initially.

1:23:12 Speaker 1: You know, I've been I've been partying pretty hard, uh

1:23:16 Speaker 1: during during my my rock and roll things, and decided

1:23:21 Speaker 1: to do a sober October and I found remote viewing

1:23:23 Speaker 1: kind of write synchronistically at that time, and was like, oh,

1:23:26 Speaker 1: this will be a good thing to kind of keep

1:23:28 Speaker 1: my mind off of, you know, drinking. Yeah, and it

1:23:33 Speaker 1: worked really well. What's up?

1:23:38 Speaker 2: No, no drinking for me. It's easy, So I will

1:23:42 Speaker 2: be happy to.

1:23:43 Speaker 1: Uh, we'll sign you up.

1:23:47 Speaker 3: Yeah.

1:23:47 Speaker 2: Well, so we're gonna put the affiliate link down in

1:23:51 Speaker 2: the description that way people can take the free course.

1:23:54 Speaker 3: And then how much is I mean, how much is

1:23:58 Speaker 3: the the the eight course, and how long and extensive

1:24:03 Speaker 3: is it?

1:24:04 Speaker 1: It's two hundred and forty seven bucks because it'll it'll

1:24:07 Speaker 1: help you to become intuitive twenty four to seven.

1:24:11 Speaker 5: Oh, and then it's there's about three three and a

1:24:17 Speaker 5: half hours of video lessons and there's I think ten

1:24:20 Speaker 5: targets right now, and I'm adding to it and I'm

1:24:25 Speaker 5: updating it all the time too.

1:24:26 Speaker 1: When I when I learned new stuff, I add I

1:24:28 Speaker 1: add things to the course. So yeah, so I think

1:24:31 Speaker 1: there's there's kind of ten targets, but then at the

1:24:33 Speaker 1: end there's other targets that are kind of repeatable, ones

1:24:36 Speaker 1: that you can do that are different every time to

1:24:39 Speaker 1: continue your training. And then I also point you towards

1:24:42 Speaker 1: other resources. There's tons of good, tons of good resources

1:24:45 Speaker 1: out there from other remote viewers, like target pools and

1:24:48 Speaker 1: things that you can use for training and things like that.

1:24:52 Speaker 3: So, yeah, you become an expert. Anyone listening.

1:24:57 Speaker 2: After you become an expert in remote viewing, then I

1:25:00 Speaker 2: will call upon you and get you in here and

1:25:04 Speaker 2: then I'll ask you and uh, we'll have some fun

1:25:09 Speaker 2: with it. Just we'll have some fun with it, Josh.

1:25:12 Speaker 2: As always, I think we should start doing something every week,

1:25:16 Speaker 2: something something fun. So I think we'll work on that

1:25:19 Speaker 2: and and what that could be. But as everyone already knows,

1:25:25 Speaker 2: make sure to like, share or subscribe. By the way, Oh,

1:25:29 Speaker 2: before I get into this, I wish I had video

1:25:31 Speaker 2: right now, but my camera.

1:25:34 Speaker 3: I am gonna be good.

1:25:36 Speaker 2: I'm actually going on TV in the next week and

1:25:40 Speaker 2: I'm going to be promoting the film, so I'll send

1:25:44 Speaker 2: everyone the links for that, but at least put it

1:25:47 Speaker 2: on Twitter. It's gonna be really fun. It's something new

1:25:50 Speaker 2: for me. So we're working hard on the movie. Uh

1:25:55 Speaker 2: and we're we're we kind of just signed on for

1:25:58 Speaker 2: a second one. And it has to do with the

1:26:01 Speaker 2: Pasca Gooula abduction of Calvin Parker and Charles Hickson, Philip

1:26:05 Speaker 2: Mansell and doctor Irena Scott. They wrote a book called

1:26:08 Speaker 2: Beyond a Reasonable Doubt. They want to give me unfettered

1:26:12 Speaker 2: access to everything and have me go down and spend

1:26:16 Speaker 2: a month in Mississippi and basically film an adaptation of

1:26:20 Speaker 2: their book into a documentary. So there is so much

1:26:25 Speaker 2: in the pipeline and so much work that is going

1:26:29 Speaker 2: to be being you know in the future that I'm

1:26:32 Speaker 2: just I love I love all this man, and I

1:26:37 Speaker 2: just I really hope that, you know, everyone enjoys the

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1:27:02 Speaker 2: That way we can keep delivering top notch quality and

1:27:05 Speaker 2: like I said, We're on this little like kick where

1:27:08 Speaker 2: we're investigating the ten most haunted polics in Massachusetts and

1:27:13 Speaker 2: we're gonna be making YouTube videos out of them, starting

1:27:16 Speaker 2: with well, I can't say it yet, but we're starting

1:27:21 Speaker 2: with a very very cool one and that will be

1:27:23 Speaker 2: announced soon. And uh, we got a lot of cool

1:27:26 Speaker 2: people that are going to be a part of it.

1:27:28 Speaker 2: So I can't wait to tell everyone about that. So

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1:27:40 Speaker 2: if you want to learn remote viewing, like I said,

1:27:43 Speaker 2: his are link to learn remote viewing Rockstar Intuition will

1:27:48 Speaker 2: be in the description below. Josh, thank you so much

1:27:52 Speaker 2: for being here today, last minute and everyone.

1:27:58 Speaker 3: You guys are awesome. We'll see you next time.

1:28:00 Speaker 6: Make sure life describe all that jets. You know what

1:28:04 Speaker 6: it is, and I think.

1:28:13 Speaker 1: We can

1:28:32 Speaker 6: And I didn't