The Demonic Threads of UFOs, Aliens, and the Puppet Masters of Earth (With Guest Total Disclosure)

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1:49 Speaker 1: Oliver Ah, I pressed the wrong button, go away. I

1:54 Speaker 1: tried to rename you Oliver, David and our special guest

1:59 Speaker 1: this evening Thailand from total disclosure. How are we doing?

2:02 Speaker 1: Everybody good?

2:06 Speaker 2: I'm doing I'm doing swell. Ready to get get chatting.

2:11 Speaker 1: Well, I'm just happy to be here. I'm alive. Are

2:16 Speaker 1: you are you Allie? Are you happy to be here? Yeah?

2:24 Speaker 2: He's got three hours left.

2:29 Speaker 3: I'll last night and yeah, well me and Dave, we

2:35 Speaker 3: don't we don't drink very much.

2:37 Speaker 1: I've I've only recently started this journey of almost sobriety.

2:44 Speaker 1: Oliver has kind of hopped onto this, but he's still

2:48 Speaker 1: in that phase now of where he's not he doesn't

2:51 Speaker 1: know he's trying to do it yet. So because he

2:54 Speaker 1: goes for big stages without drinking. Now he looks at

2:57 Speaker 1: a couple of pints and the next day feels like

3:01 Speaker 1: he wants to destroy his own livers. So he never

3:03 Speaker 1: has to do it ever again. That's pretty much.

3:06 Speaker 2: Yeah, five years sober, Yeah, yeah, five years almost I'm

3:15 Speaker 2: going on six without your drink.

3:18 Speaker 1: Wow.

3:19 Speaker 2: Yeah, I will say this. I will say this. Your

3:23 Speaker 2: life quality will improve immensely the day that you give

3:28 Speaker 2: that ship up.

3:29 Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

3:30 Speaker 2: It's it's why do you think that they call it?

3:33 Speaker 2: Why do you think that they call it spirits? Like?

3:38 Speaker 2: You know how they call it? You know, I don't

3:39 Speaker 2: know about the UK. But so if you're if you're

3:42 Speaker 2: looking for like a liquor store in the United States,

3:45 Speaker 2: usually what you'll see is beer like wine, spirits and

3:48 Speaker 2: more right so they call it spirits because and liquor specifically,

3:54 Speaker 2: because it seemed like you are a different person, you

3:58 Speaker 2: were possessed by spirit. It's a spirit in the bottle, right,

4:03 Speaker 2: So there's no question to me that that drinking there's

4:10 Speaker 2: some connection with some I think it makes you a

4:13 Speaker 2: little bit more susceptible to maybe something tomorrow.

4:18 Speaker 1: Well, we've spoke about this sort of stuff on the

4:21 Speaker 1: podcast before. I believe that all people have some sort

4:25 Speaker 1: of innate like spiritual antibodies, you know, so that like

4:33 Speaker 1: protect protectors, like a what's the right word for it, autoimmune, Yeah,

4:40 Speaker 1: an immune syst like a spiritual immune system. And I

4:43 Speaker 1: think drinking drugs can like deplete that and leave you

4:49 Speaker 1: susceptible to things. I have one hundred percent agree with that.

4:55 Speaker 1: So total disclosure. How did how did that happen? How

4:59 Speaker 1: did you get into this craziness?

5:01 Speaker 2: Oh well I've always been into it, Yeah, I've always

5:05 Speaker 2: always I had a sighting of the UFO when I

5:10 Speaker 2: was very young. Uh, this is before pre inner. I

5:14 Speaker 2: look young, but I'm thirty one. Uh and that's I'm

5:18 Speaker 2: still young. I mean there's no I know, there's a

5:21 Speaker 2: bunch of people out there like, oh he thinks he's old.

5:24 Speaker 2: But when I was, when I was a boy, I

5:28 Speaker 2: had uh I was. I was in front of my house.

5:32 Speaker 2: I remember it like it's it's like one of the

5:35 Speaker 2: clearest memories that I have, and that also strikes me

5:40 Speaker 2: as odd. But I'm standing there and the kids in

5:48 Speaker 2: the neighborhood hadn't gotten home from school yet. I stayed

5:51 Speaker 2: home sick, quote unquote right sick. I was fine, I

5:56 Speaker 2: just didn't want.

5:57 Speaker 1: To go to school.

5:58 Speaker 2: But so we had the very inclined roof. So I

6:03 Speaker 2: used to take a tennis ball when no one was around.

6:05 Speaker 2: It was a way to kind of play catch with yourself.

6:09 Speaker 2: You'd throw the tennis ball up onto the roof. It

6:11 Speaker 2: would roll down the roof and it would pop off

6:13 Speaker 2: the gutter and you'd have to, you know, then you'd

6:16 Speaker 2: catch it. So I'm mid throw, so I'm looking up

6:22 Speaker 2: in this circular craft oscillating and moving forward at tree

6:27 Speaker 2: top level just comes right over my head. Classic gun

6:32 Speaker 2: metal gray circular with three distinct points that made a triangle,

6:41 Speaker 2: like if you were to draw a line to each

6:44 Speaker 2: of the circles, it would have made a triangle inside

6:47 Speaker 2: of the circle. Does that make sense? So okay, I

6:54 Speaker 2: chased it I went around my house and it was gone.

6:59 Speaker 2: And so I remember that very very clearly. What I

7:03 Speaker 2: don't remember is the next twenty four hours. But then

7:12 Speaker 2: I remember going to the library because again no computers.

7:19 Speaker 2: I went to the library and that's where I found communion.

7:23 Speaker 2: Communion let me down the path. I ended up finding

7:28 Speaker 2: a picture of a flying saucer in that section, and

7:32 Speaker 2: it looked damn mirror exactly what I saw. So that

7:37 Speaker 2: led me to always be the person at the party

7:41 Speaker 2: in high school, in history class, questioning everything right. I

7:48 Speaker 2: went to film school. I went into Hollywood. I was

7:53 Speaker 2: interviewing actors. My mom got diagnosed with breast cancer. I

8:00 Speaker 2: only include that not for sympathy, not not not to

8:03 Speaker 2: say oh, but because it comes up later. So I'm

8:07 Speaker 2: interviewing actors. I go the route of Hollywood after film school.

8:11 Speaker 2: I want to work in Hollywood. But uh, Hollywood's toxic.

8:17 Speaker 2: Everybody sucks. You have to deal with agents. Their agents

8:21 Speaker 2: are are They make you feel grimy. Just working on

8:25 Speaker 2: sets was grimy. The the glamor that I thought was Hollywood,

8:31 Speaker 2: it was just it's it's a farce. It's it's not real.

8:35 Speaker 2: It's it's it's it's a screen what I call now,

8:39 Speaker 2: it's it's it's just a screen. The memory. It's this

8:43 Speaker 2: idea of what we have of what we think of

8:45 Speaker 2: Hollywood as like you know, lights, camera action, but it's

8:48 Speaker 2: a it's a lot of toxicity, it's a lot of

8:52 Speaker 2: just bad people. So in that time, my mom gets

8:58 Speaker 2: diagnosed with breast cancer and I end up in the

9:02 Speaker 2: room with her the moment she passes right And I

9:10 Speaker 2: don't know how to explain this very well. I've never

9:13 Speaker 2: really been able to explain it very well. But I

9:18 Speaker 2: saw her leave the room. I saw so I looked,

9:21 Speaker 2: I was talking to her. She was on a lot

9:24 Speaker 2: of more feed so you know, I was talking to

9:28 Speaker 2: essentially just her body and her spirit. And you know,

9:34 Speaker 2: I'm telling her that, you know, I'm glad that she

9:36 Speaker 2: got to see me sober. I'm glad, you know. And

9:41 Speaker 2: then my phone vibrates and I make we've all had this,

9:44 Speaker 2: we know what this means. I made a split second

9:48 Speaker 2: decision in my head. It happened so quickly. I felt

9:52 Speaker 2: my phone buzzing in my pocket, and in that split second,

9:57 Speaker 2: I made the decision, no matter who is texting, calling,

10:00 Speaker 2: or whatever it is, it's not worth it. But I

10:03 Speaker 2: looked at my pants. When I looked up, this like

10:06 Speaker 2: ball of if you ever looked down a hot highway

10:12 Speaker 2: and saw like the heat DISPERSIONA put that in a ball,

10:17 Speaker 2: perfect ball I saw when I came up from looking

10:22 Speaker 2: at my pants, just a ball of that across my field.

10:26 Speaker 2: Division went out the window. I looked back at my mother,

10:30 Speaker 2: and she had passed away.

10:34 Speaker 1: Not said wild wow.

10:37 Speaker 2: I'm not drawing any conclusions, but what the fuck was that?

10:42 Speaker 1: I find it interesting, you say went out the window

10:43 Speaker 1: as well, because I know I know people in healthcare.

10:46 Speaker 1: I know people that have worked in like trauma and

10:48 Speaker 1: stuff like that. And they built a hospital where I

10:53 Speaker 1: am and in the oh I can't remember. Yeah, it

10:57 Speaker 1: was in the like the trauma room if you come

11:00 Speaker 1: into like er. They didn't put any windows in it.

11:04 Speaker 1: It was just a box. And the first thing, like

11:08 Speaker 1: some of the people I know that work in there said,

11:10 Speaker 1: was like, that room's getting haunted because you always leave

11:13 Speaker 1: a window in those rooms to allow things to escape.

11:17 Speaker 1: So I find that really interesting that he just said.

11:20 Speaker 2: Oh whoa, But so okay, all right, so it leaves

11:26 Speaker 2: the room right I I and I don't know what

11:29 Speaker 2: the I don't know what the hell I just saw

11:32 Speaker 2: m But I'm not quick to dismiss right, So the

11:37 Speaker 2: rest of my brother, my brothers, and sister, my two

11:40 Speaker 2: brothers and sister come in. I don't tell them. I

11:43 Speaker 2: don't think it's appropriate at that time. We go through

11:47 Speaker 2: our grieving process, whatever, whatever, And I wasn't happy with

11:55 Speaker 2: what I was doing. And that's where total disclosure birth was.

12:01 Speaker 2: When my mom passed, that's when it birthed. Right, is

12:08 Speaker 2: that that was the final domino. I was a closeted

12:13 Speaker 2: UFO participant, right, so I was always aware of what

12:18 Speaker 2: was going on. I knew the twenty seventeen article came out.

12:22 Speaker 2: I paid so much attention to everything. I watched all

12:25 Speaker 2: the documentaries still, but I never talked publicly about it.

12:31 Speaker 2: I did with my friends, like I said, at parties,

12:34 Speaker 2: in history class, I question everything. But it wasn't until

12:38 Speaker 2: I saw my mother essentially what I think, leave her essence,

12:43 Speaker 2: leave her body, leave the room and depart. That's what

12:48 Speaker 2: I was like, whoever's playing Because at the time, what

12:54 Speaker 2: I was doing was talking actors, mostly in the comic

12:57 Speaker 2: book Realm. How can you sit there and have a

13:01 Speaker 2: conversation about Batman as cool as he is when there

13:07 Speaker 2: is some real shit happening. Mm hmmm, how can that

13:13 Speaker 2: be more important? Right? It can't. There's I could not

13:18 Speaker 2: justify doing pop culture Corner anymore, so I killed it.

13:24 Speaker 2: Total Disclosure was birth that day. I was like, I

13:28 Speaker 2: need answers, and I now I'm set out. Now now

13:33 Speaker 2: I'm out of the closet. If you will, has.

13:35 Speaker 4: Your opinion changed on the UFO subject for your journey

13:41 Speaker 4: with total Disclosure?

13:43 Speaker 2: Yes?

13:44 Speaker 1: Sorry, sorry to interject there, but to add to Ali's things,

13:49 Speaker 1: maybe if you can explain, like if you see how

13:52 Speaker 1: to sight him? Maybe if you can, if you can

13:54 Speaker 1: explain how you felt at the beginning of doing the podcast,

13:58 Speaker 1: of doing your podcast about these things, and then elaborate

14:01 Speaker 1: on how it's changed.

14:03 Speaker 2: Yeah, So at the beginning, I was still very much

14:09 Speaker 2: nuts and bolts, right. What I saw was a UFO,

14:15 Speaker 2: A nut I saw a craft right that I could

14:21 Speaker 2: wrap my head around. Now, I think I think the big,

14:27 Speaker 2: the big lie that we're all, that we're all led

14:30 Speaker 2: to believe growing up, is that the world is black

14:32 Speaker 2: and white. Right. It's not till later that the veils

14:38 Speaker 2: pulled out from you and you realize there's so much

14:40 Speaker 2: more gray than there is, right, It's not everything can

14:45 Speaker 2: be summed up by a one or a zero. H it.

14:49 Speaker 2: So I've gone from really nuts and bolts to I

14:54 Speaker 2: think that we're dealing with dimensions, not only dimension. I

14:58 Speaker 2: think there's not just a phenomenon, but phenomena converging a

15:05 Speaker 2: lot of different things happening. So I make of that

15:12 Speaker 2: what you will, but I think that's where the cross

15:15 Speaker 2: sections of the paranormal, the UFO world, or the other worldly,

15:21 Speaker 2: you know, interdimensional cryptids. I think there's all and for

15:27 Speaker 2: some reason, UH consciousness seems to be the key to

15:30 Speaker 2: all of it.

15:31 Speaker 1: Mm hmm. I've been wondering lately whether when you look

15:36 Speaker 1: back at UH history and folklore and stuff like that,

15:42 Speaker 1: I find interest in that, Like for in, for instance,

15:47 Speaker 1: the Chinese zodiac, I think is made up of x

15:50 Speaker 1: amount of real animals apart from a dragon. So there's

15:53 Speaker 1: there's a dragon in there, so for some reason they

15:56 Speaker 1: supposedly stick one fictitious animal in there. The the ideas

16:03 Speaker 1: come to me like just like we have like natural

16:07 Speaker 1: like ebbs and flows and climate over the years, whether

16:12 Speaker 1: there is something to do something to do with that

16:15 Speaker 1: has like you say, either something to do with conscious

16:17 Speaker 1: consciousness or however thick the veil is. So whenever, when

16:22 Speaker 1: we look at like all this crazy folklore times where

16:27 Speaker 1: you would be forgiven for thinking that they lived in

16:30 Speaker 1: like tolkien esque, like a tolkeien Esque world, I wonder

16:37 Speaker 1: if that's actually how it was at some point and

16:41 Speaker 1: all these things this that whatever this phenomena was, was

16:44 Speaker 1: interacting much more and much heavier with people at that time.

16:49 Speaker 1: I mean, even even if you take like medieval folklore

16:52 Speaker 1: out of it and just go back to what the

16:55 Speaker 1: Egyptians were saying about pyramids being built. They for some

17:01 Speaker 1: reason we know we have half half beast, half man,

17:05 Speaker 1: great creatures on higher hieroglyphs. It's that could be a

17:12 Speaker 1: similar thing where we just go through these phases. And

17:15 Speaker 1: if that's the case, I wonder if we're entering another

17:19 Speaker 1: one of these periods in history now where we start

17:23 Speaker 1: interacting with whatever this is outside of like our idea

17:27 Speaker 1: of physical reality.

17:29 Speaker 2: Well, I think that there is absolutely something to be

17:33 Speaker 2: said that technology the way we see it is right,

17:40 Speaker 2: it's technology, right, But I think the technology our ancestors

17:45 Speaker 2: were using was of a different volition. It was it

17:51 Speaker 2: had more to do with consciousness, interaction with and and

17:56 Speaker 2: and and they had. There's just something that has me

18:02 Speaker 2: set that. I mean, we look around and yes, we've

18:06 Speaker 2: become more advanced in our civilization, but have we lost

18:10 Speaker 2: something along the way. I think we have. And I

18:14 Speaker 2: think that is our connection. Two, there are are the

18:21 Speaker 2: missing link, if you will, Like, why we're here? How

18:24 Speaker 2: are we a species that doesn't know our own fucking origin?

18:28 Speaker 2: I'm sorry? Can that curse? Okay? All right? Like how

18:33 Speaker 2: is that possible? How? How could that be that we

18:37 Speaker 2: are so so advanced, you know, so meticulous, you know, uh,

18:46 Speaker 2: but we don't understand our true origin. At least we

18:51 Speaker 2: cannot all agree that there's a consensus reality.

18:55 Speaker 1: M hmm.

18:56 Speaker 2: Right, you got your your your religious you know, people

19:00 Speaker 2: who think that the earth is like six thousand years old,

19:04 Speaker 2: and then you know, you have the the the Big

19:08 Speaker 2: Bang and more scientific approach. But then if you look

19:12 Speaker 2: at them, right, uh, there's way more similarities than you

19:16 Speaker 2: then then then then they're there are not right God?

19:21 Speaker 2: Let God said, let there be light. Well, that sounds

19:24 Speaker 2: like the Big Bang to me? Mm hmm, yeah, what

19:28 Speaker 2: does it sound like to you? They're talking about the

19:30 Speaker 2: same goddamn thing, right, I just think the timelines I

19:35 Speaker 2: think I think I think man Man wrote the Bible,

19:40 Speaker 2: and that's why it's flawed.

19:42 Speaker 1: And and.

19:45 Speaker 2: I think that we all as a civilization need to

19:50 Speaker 2: step back because all the stories that we tell, why

19:55 Speaker 2: are they also familiar?

19:57 Speaker 1: Well, we're doing the same thing again with oh, the

20:01 Speaker 1: simulation for theory, because simulation theory is just creationism for atheists.

20:07 Speaker 2: It's a very good it's a very good analogy. Yeah,

20:14 Speaker 2: I would say so, but it it just it's always

20:17 Speaker 2: got me wondering, you know, what kind of connection did

20:22 Speaker 2: our ancestors have to this intelligent this intelligence? Because there

20:30 Speaker 2: is clearly from the micro to the macro intelligent design

20:35 Speaker 2: to our universe. The similarities in the micro and the macro.

20:42 Speaker 2: Just the fact that we're able to have this conversation,

20:45 Speaker 2: that we're able to contemplate this shows me there's intelligent

20:50 Speaker 2: design to the universe. So to suggest that there are

20:53 Speaker 2: no that we're the only thing, that we're the best

20:58 Speaker 2: of the best, it's just uttered bis to me. Right, So,

21:04 Speaker 2: especially with all the flaws that we have, I mean,

21:06 Speaker 2: we're tearing our own planet down.

21:11 Speaker 5: It makes me like the depth of the mystery. Right,

21:16 Speaker 5: it's so broad, it's so deep. It only to me anyway,

21:21 Speaker 5: lends itself to for me to believe that there's this

21:24 Speaker 5: ecosystem of flora and fauna that exists alongside and with us,

21:28 Speaker 5: that we're unable to perceive, and that someone along the

21:31 Speaker 5: line either used to be able to see it and

21:33 Speaker 5: interact with it for their betterment or for their detriment,

21:36 Speaker 5: and that maybe along the line somebody's maintained that technology,

21:40 Speaker 5: but they just keep it to themselves and they're still

21:42 Speaker 5: doing it. Can even look at the massive scientific discoveries

21:45 Speaker 5: that have been made in the past one hundred years,

21:47 Speaker 5: how many of them came to these people in dreams

21:49 Speaker 5: or visions, And even though they got a Nobel prize,

21:51 Speaker 5: they left that part of it out right, And no,

21:54 Speaker 5: here's you found DNA, but we're not telling you how

21:55 Speaker 5: you found DNA. You found out that Adams split this way,

21:58 Speaker 5: but we're not talking about how you found out. There's

22:01 Speaker 5: something more, and it's been hidden from us, actively hidden from.

22:04 Speaker 2: Us at the like the great late Senator Daniel an

22:10 Speaker 2: Away said, right, there's a shadow government and operates on

22:15 Speaker 2: its own agenda, above the law, with its own army

22:19 Speaker 2: fundraising mechanisms, and I mean, come on, it's it's just

22:26 Speaker 2: it's it's so you know, I would say one hundred

22:31 Speaker 2: years ago, if you surveyed one hundred people, ninety nine

22:35 Speaker 2: would say we are alone in the universe. Today ninety

22:40 Speaker 2: nine would say we're not right. So the conversation, the proof,

22:45 Speaker 2: the burden of proof is shifted. Mitchell Cocker says this

22:48 Speaker 2: a lot. The burden of proof is shifted from the

22:50 Speaker 2: believer to the to the non believer to the skeptic.

22:55 Speaker 2: Tell me, because in a court of law, we have

22:58 Speaker 2: enough evidence to suggest that there is phenomenal, nothing, something happening.

23:07 Speaker 2: So beyond a reasonable doubt, I think we can all

23:10 Speaker 2: agree that something on Earth is happening, and it's it's

23:14 Speaker 2: it's it something that we don't understand fully, we can't

23:19 Speaker 2: perceive it. We've either lost some sort of some lost

23:23 Speaker 2: in ability to perceive it, or it's there and it's dormant.

23:30 Speaker 1: So I have a question for you. Sorry, you go no, no, no, no.

23:36 Speaker 1: The I believe like, I think you're right with what

23:40 Speaker 1: you say. And I think if you ask a lot

23:42 Speaker 1: of people now, they would say, yeah, we're not alone

23:45 Speaker 1: in the universe. I think ninety that falls on the

23:52 Speaker 1: New York Times article to this day, congressional hearings, all

23:56 Speaker 1: that sort of stuff. So if that's the case, and

23:59 Speaker 1: I think you're right, why all of a sudden did

24:04 Speaker 1: because I believe what you say about the shadow of

24:06 Speaker 1: shadow government as well. The only thing I would add

24:08 Speaker 1: to that is, I don't think it's a shadow government.

24:10 Speaker 1: I think it's like a shadow covenant, that is something

24:13 Speaker 1: that is above everything else, like watches, keepers, whatever, these

24:18 Speaker 1: things that these things or people or entity are. There

24:21 Speaker 1: is something above what we see as the surface level

24:24 Speaker 1: roof of.

24:25 Speaker 2: Power and terrifying notion.

24:31 Speaker 1: But why then did those people suddenly want my mom

24:35 Speaker 1: and dad that didn't believe in UFOs yesterday, why do

24:39 Speaker 1: they want them to believe in UFOs today? Because that's

24:43 Speaker 1: what's happened. At some point, there's been a shift in

24:47 Speaker 1: what the people at the top want public perception to be.

24:51 Speaker 1: And twenty years ago they didn't want people talking about UFOs.

24:56 Speaker 1: Now they want everybody talking about Ufos's good.

25:00 Speaker 2: That's a good point. What has changed?

25:05 Speaker 1: Well, the minute the minute government forces asked me to

25:11 Speaker 1: believe in aliens, specifically aliens, was the day I stopped

25:16 Speaker 1: believe in in aliens.

25:18 Speaker 5: I think there was enough of a like after the

25:21 Speaker 5: after World War Two, there has been a consistent push

25:24 Speaker 5: to put science as the god and the focus. We

25:27 Speaker 5: don't question science, scientists to the new priesthood. We've seen

25:30 Speaker 5: that in the last undoings and unhappenings, right like these

25:33 Speaker 5: last tragic things. I think someone along the line says,

25:37 Speaker 5: we've got enough depth, we have enough push, we have

25:41 Speaker 5: enough of them thinking now we need to bring in

25:43 Speaker 5: the new gods and we'll explain it in a way

25:45 Speaker 5: that they'll believe and they'll submit unconditionally. Because if they

25:49 Speaker 5: would have done it beforehand, people would have been rebuking

25:51 Speaker 5: that and running back to the church. No one's doing

25:54 Speaker 5: that today.

25:55 Speaker 2: Shit, Dave, the new gods, the new gods, that's just.

26:00 Speaker 5: Like the old ones that got kicked out right right right.

26:06 Speaker 6: I was watching Guardians of the Galaxy with the kids,

26:10 Speaker 6: and I just thought, maybe maybe maybe in all this,

26:18 Speaker 6: like the movies and what have you, that they are

26:21 Speaker 6: telling us something.

26:22 Speaker 4: Because those it got.

26:24 Speaker 2: Into the galaxy, it goes further back.

26:27 Speaker 4: It's like the so called aliens.

26:30 Speaker 2: But they are think about think about the movies, right,

26:34 Speaker 2: They're based on the comics. Mm hmm, what just like

26:39 Speaker 2: just like Steven Spielberg and Close Encounters, right now, we

26:43 Speaker 2: think the government kind of went to or you know,

26:48 Speaker 2: we know that Alan Heinek was a consultant for the film,

26:52 Speaker 2: that Spielberg had a lot of access to to Project

26:55 Speaker 2: Blue Book or who what was a huge four if

27:00 Speaker 2: not the biggest form of entertainment for people in the

27:07 Speaker 2: forty I would say thirties, forties, fifties, sixties into the

27:14 Speaker 2: seventies is comic books, Right, So who's to say that

27:18 Speaker 2: they didn't call stan Lee and give him some ideas

27:23 Speaker 2: why store an Avenger?

27:26 Speaker 1: Yeah?

27:27 Speaker 2: Right, So to your point about Guardians the Galaxy, I think, yes,

27:31 Speaker 2: I think what they're doing is they're solidifying the fact

27:36 Speaker 2: that the cosmos is teeming with life.

27:39 Speaker 1: Yeah.

27:41 Speaker 5: You know what I thought was interesting, since we're talking

27:42 Speaker 5: about movie references, which I think are always a good,

27:45 Speaker 5: good way to at least spur on interesting conversation.

27:49 Speaker 1: When you look at that.

27:53 Speaker 5: Close Encounters of the Third kind, and I just watched

27:55 Speaker 5: it recently, I finally kind of dawned. I mean, maybe

27:58 Speaker 5: in this weird way that maybe I hadn't noticed before,

28:00 Speaker 5: but I you know, it was this guy's journey and

28:02 Speaker 5: all this. I don't really think it was so much

28:05 Speaker 5: about the journey as it was illustrating a point like

28:07 Speaker 5: if it's an acknowledgment, say it's the government acknowledging something,

28:10 Speaker 5: which just you know, we're on a conspiracy show.

28:12 Speaker 1: We can we can do outlandish things. What would be

28:15 Speaker 1: the thing that they're acknowledging the most?

28:18 Speaker 5: Is it that there are some kind of being that

28:20 Speaker 5: they're aware of and they're trying to communicate with maybe maybe,

28:25 Speaker 5: Or is it that there's some other intelligence that chooses

28:28 Speaker 5: who it wants to communicate with, and the government monitors

28:32 Speaker 5: interferes with those people, tries to intercept if it possible,

28:38 Speaker 5: because they want the conversation that those things aren't interested

28:41 Speaker 5: in having with them, they want to have with the

28:43 Speaker 5: people they already picked. It would make sense if you

28:45 Speaker 5: follow the phenomenon. How many people see things and then

28:48 Speaker 5: have paranormal activity, Like they live unusual lives that maybe

28:52 Speaker 5: to them seem normal, but if you compare it side

28:55 Speaker 5: by side with anyone with a vanilla cookie cutter life,

28:57 Speaker 5: they just start stacking experiences.

29:01 Speaker 2: Yeah, I I agree, it's interesting thing.

29:07 Speaker 1: It is good.

29:10 Speaker 2: No, no, no, go well, and I forgot now, So.

29:15 Speaker 1: In and out I've been I've been slowly terrifying myself

29:19 Speaker 1: actually over the past few days about things and there.

29:25 Speaker 1: But this goes back to what Dave was saying about

29:27 Speaker 1: the idea of ushering in new gods, and then that

29:30 Speaker 1: got me thinking about the what we've been through, like

29:34 Speaker 1: with the pandemic and the whole idea of like you

29:36 Speaker 1: know what, we kept hearing the idea of this, like

29:39 Speaker 1: the Great Reset, and it only dawned on me maybe

29:42 Speaker 1: yesterday or day before, when I was looking at certain

29:45 Speaker 1: stuff I've been looking into, like the orphan trains in

29:48 Speaker 1: the US, and it's suddenly dawned on me when I

29:52 Speaker 1: was looking at that. So I'll hang on a second.

29:55 Speaker 1: So if we look at this for the conspiracy lens

29:59 Speaker 1: of the Great Reset, and we think of it as

30:03 Speaker 1: being like some sort of new monetary system that's been

30:06 Speaker 1: brought in, and you know, you will be shifted over

30:09 Speaker 1: from like Fiat currency to some sort of digital euro

30:13 Speaker 1: book thing and it will all be controlled on like

30:17 Speaker 1: an app with the social credit score and stuff. I

30:20 Speaker 1: thought to myself, Yeah, that's a shift, that's a change,

30:24 Speaker 1: but it's it's not like a a great reset. And

30:30 Speaker 1: then when I started looking into this the orphan train thing,

30:34 Speaker 1: and it's the like the quick synopsis that I was

30:38 Speaker 1: reading was saying that there was between eighteen fifty four

30:41 Speaker 1: and nineteen twenty nine, they shifted two hundred thousand kids

30:46 Speaker 1: from supposedly like over overcrowded cities in the US like

30:53 Speaker 1: to rural areas in the Midwest. Now, the the official

30:59 Speaker 1: word words for this is that these two hundred thousand

31:03 Speaker 1: kids that was shifted were either abandoned or put up

31:09 Speaker 1: for it. Well, so abandoned or unwanted, which I would

31:14 Speaker 1: have thought was the same thing. So even if you

31:17 Speaker 1: think about it, even if you say, right, well we'll

31:19 Speaker 1: average it out at a that there was two hundred

31:24 Speaker 1: thousand kids, but they both came as brothers and sisters

31:27 Speaker 1: from from two children child families, you still miss it.

31:32 Speaker 1: One hundred thousand pairs of parents. That's two hundred thousand

31:36 Speaker 1: parents from this So where where did these kids come

31:41 Speaker 1: from that was shipped around the country? Why was this?

31:47 Speaker 1: Why do we only have like what why is our

31:49 Speaker 1: records go back that long? Like so shaky, so sketchy,

31:54 Speaker 1: and essentially like that, because I've been if anyone that

31:56 Speaker 1: hasn't found the YouTube channel yet on my lunch break,

32:00 Speaker 1: I implore you to go and find it if you're

32:03 Speaker 1: interested in like hidden history stuff, maybe like Tartarius like thing,

32:09 Speaker 1: like where where the sort of old world has gone.

32:14 Speaker 1: I don't think anybody is doing a better job than

32:17 Speaker 1: on my lunch break. And if for some reason someone

32:20 Speaker 1: listens to this that either knows him or is in

32:23 Speaker 1: contact with him, I'd fucking love to get him on

32:25 Speaker 1: this show. But yeah, that's so. That's the way I'm

32:30 Speaker 1: kind of terrifying myself with this stuff now is maybe

32:33 Speaker 1: Dave's right, Maybe this is the ushering in of new gods.

32:38 Speaker 1: Maybe this has happened multiple times, and this entity that

32:44 Speaker 1: exists above government and above like the service level, just

32:49 Speaker 1: knows that there's a certain point we can get, we

32:51 Speaker 1: can let humanity get to before we start losing control

32:55 Speaker 1: of it, before we get like I don't know. For instance,

32:57 Speaker 1: let's say the instantaneous trying fur of information. Let's say

33:02 Speaker 1: the ability for four people in completely different parts of

33:07 Speaker 1: the world to get together and talk to this in

33:10 Speaker 1: front of one hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands of people

33:14 Speaker 1: through multiple platforms that they can do instantaneously at once,

33:19 Speaker 1: allowing one person to become a news network. Maybe that's

33:23 Speaker 1: happened multiple times. And when that happens, they have to

33:27 Speaker 1: hit the great reset button in order to keep control

33:31 Speaker 1: on humanity. So this is our fault.

33:33 Speaker 2: That's the tower of babble. M is it not think

33:38 Speaker 2: about every single time?

33:40 Speaker 1: Right?

33:41 Speaker 2: Every single time? That because we're on the we're on

33:45 Speaker 2: the precipice of no language barrier, right, the Samsung buds

33:51 Speaker 2: that can translate in real time? Yeah, right, why we're

33:56 Speaker 2: why we're Why were humans struck down? Right? Because we

34:00 Speaker 2: we we got too close, too close to the gods.

34:06 Speaker 2: And you know that's when they decided, all right, sever

34:11 Speaker 2: what uh sever the language right, split them up, separate languages.

34:18 Speaker 2: So factionalism is what is keeping us from a united front.

34:27 Speaker 2: And we look at the UFO community. Just look at

34:30 Speaker 2: the UFO community. Factions upon factions. You got your doctor

34:34 Speaker 2: Greer lovers, doctor Greed, I mean I mean greer Sorry

34:40 Speaker 2: Smith spoked cough, just kidding. The Alezondo folk, Uh, get.

34:52 Speaker 1: The host picture, Ali the host picture, finish them off.

35:00 Speaker 1: Ha ha ha there you go. Bro.

35:06 Speaker 2: Oh that was so perfect clip that time stamp and

35:10 Speaker 2: somebody Uh, we can't.

35:12 Speaker 5: Figure out why he won't come on the show. We've

35:17 Speaker 5: been asking for years.

35:21 Speaker 2: Well, I tell you what, you wouldn't get a word

35:23 Speaker 2: in edgewise. He dude, he's so fucking jacked. Man, look

35:29 Speaker 2: at that guy. Got that guy's leading disclosure and if

35:33 Speaker 2: you don't like it, fucking flat just kidding. But even

35:39 Speaker 2: in the community, we can't get it together. We factionalize,

35:44 Speaker 2: we got our you know camps. It's like and and

35:48 Speaker 2: and then and and. Doctor Greer honestly is a good

35:51 Speaker 2: case study because he I think he did start with

35:56 Speaker 2: some good intentions. I think he started pure and was

36:00 Speaker 2: corrupted by money to read and essentially uh an untapped

36:08 Speaker 2: uh well of money. I mean, the guy charges six

36:13 Speaker 2: thousand dollars to meditate on a wooden spike. The fuck

36:17 Speaker 2: is going on?

36:19 Speaker 5: Do you have that picture of him with all those

36:21 Speaker 5: notable figures?

36:23 Speaker 1: That the worst picture he was referencing?

36:26 Speaker 2: Yeah, the Rockefeller Ranch picture? Yes, so wow. I haven't

36:34 Speaker 2: seen this in a while though, So lookod, lookod, why

36:41 Speaker 2: did my cameras just shut off.

36:45 Speaker 1: These things?

36:45 Speaker 5: They know you can't talk about Bigelow and Linda Moltenhowell

36:49 Speaker 5: cozying up.

36:52 Speaker 2: I I think that I think that Greer really did

36:55 Speaker 2: start with pure intentions. I think he was correct it

37:00 Speaker 2: along the way. But I think, if you he's a

37:04 Speaker 2: really good case study in this in the sense that

37:09 Speaker 2: he preaches that all new non human intelligence is they've

37:15 Speaker 2: advanced past hostility, they've advanced past they're all our brothers.

37:22 Speaker 2: They're here to help us, that we should welcome them

37:25 Speaker 2: with open arms, right, and we all need to come

37:29 Speaker 2: together as one community. Yet every single person that comes

37:33 Speaker 2: out and tries to shed more light, he's the first

37:38 Speaker 2: person to call them a disinformation agent, right, So he's

37:42 Speaker 2: not practicing what he preaches. So it's hard for me

37:46 Speaker 2: to take a guy like that serious.

37:49 Speaker 1: Yeah you get in the same thing right now, aren't

37:51 Speaker 1: you with David Ike? And yes, you know he he

37:57 Speaker 1: will sit there and say how he's been posed cuted

38:00 Speaker 1: over the years, and then we'll instantly try and throw

38:03 Speaker 1: Alex Jones, Joe Rogan, Andrew take anyone, anyone that happens

38:07 Speaker 1: to come up. He'll launched them under the buses, being

38:10 Speaker 1: like part of the problem. And you go hang on

38:13 Speaker 1: a second, because they they seem to be saying, okay

38:16 Speaker 1: things about you, So what's what's the deal here, the

38:20 Speaker 1: Stephen that, like the Stephen Greer thing. I think you're right.

38:26 Speaker 1: I think he probably started with some sort of pure intentions.

38:28 Speaker 1: I think.

38:28 Speaker 2: I mean, I remember, he just parts his ass at

38:31 Speaker 2: money making avenue and didn't didn't never left.

38:35 Speaker 1: I don't even necessarily think it's it's that because but

38:39 Speaker 1: I mean, don't get wrong, I think it's obviously part

38:41 Speaker 1: of it. I think the guy has clearly made some money,

38:43 Speaker 1: and he's making money through what he's doing. But you've

38:48 Speaker 1: got around I wonder why, I mean, look at the

38:51 Speaker 1: Disclosure Project, for instance, the Disclosure Project. If we look

38:54 Speaker 1: at like these things at face value should have been disclosure.

38:58 Speaker 1: There was enough people. There was enough people and enough

39:00 Speaker 1: credible people that came forward with stories that the world

39:04 Speaker 1: should have took notice. The world didn't take notice. The

39:06 Speaker 1: world didn't care. We were far too busy with everything else.

39:11 Speaker 1: And I wonder whether that was like, oh okay, well

39:15 Speaker 1: I tried, and and I still think, like when you

39:19 Speaker 1: watch the documentaries with him on, I still think he

39:23 Speaker 1: means what he says. We often say this. I think

39:26 Speaker 1: me and Dave brought this on a podcast the other

39:28 Speaker 1: day because we were talking about who was it when

39:30 Speaker 1: we were talking about Dave that constantly gets thrown under

39:33 Speaker 1: like the shill buss and stuff like that. Yeah, pretty sure.

39:40 Speaker 1: I don't believe in the lifetime actor theory. Oh he's dead. Yeah,

39:48 Speaker 1: I don't believe in the lifetime actor theory. I think

39:51 Speaker 1: the the idea that Greek could just be like on

39:54 Speaker 1: the Grift all the time, not care about what he's doing,

39:58 Speaker 1: not care care of about or even believe what he's saying.

40:02 Speaker 1: I think that the best salesman believe in the product

40:06 Speaker 1: they're trying to sell. They do, and that you could

40:14 Speaker 1: dildo salesman.

40:15 Speaker 4: I am a good dildo salesman, the best.

40:19 Speaker 1: Yeah.

40:19 Speaker 5: He tastes everyone himself exactly quality insurance.

40:27 Speaker 2: Think about all the stories that Greer has inserted himself into.

40:34 Speaker 2: He does a need to be.

40:38 Speaker 1: In the.

40:40 Speaker 2: In the mix of all of it. He's always somehow

40:43 Speaker 2: a part of it. And I'm not gonna say I

40:47 Speaker 2: don't watch every documentary, every podcast that he goes on,

40:51 Speaker 2: because I do. And I think that more of the

40:55 Speaker 2: UFO community, more of the paranormal what you know this

40:59 Speaker 2: I when I say a UFO community, I mean everything

41:03 Speaker 2: you know, all related phenomena. I think we all need

41:09 Speaker 2: to be a little bit better at remaining neutral and

41:14 Speaker 2: hearing what everybody has to say, and start separating the

41:19 Speaker 2: wheat from the chaft, right, take what you need right,

41:22 Speaker 2: start looking for the dots connecting them. Right, Because even

41:27 Speaker 2: though Greer is maybe out of touch with some things,

41:34 Speaker 2: the guy does know stuff. There's no doubt, right, there's

41:40 Speaker 2: no doubt that he knows things and that he has

41:43 Speaker 2: talked of the picture you just showed.

41:46 Speaker 1: I mean, just look at that picture.

41:48 Speaker 2: Look at the amount of the look at the heavy

41:50 Speaker 2: hitters there.

41:51 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, right, so.

41:54 Speaker 2: That's and then and then you can make that argument.

42:00 Speaker 1: Yeah.

42:00 Speaker 2: Look, I've had Linda on the show. Actually that's the o.

42:06 Speaker 2: They won't have had on out of that group. But

42:09 Speaker 2: is that Bigelow?

42:10 Speaker 5: Then yes, they're snuggled together. Next time you have her

42:14 Speaker 5: on the show, you should ask her about that.

42:16 Speaker 2: Well, Uh, I never noticed that Bigelow is in that picture.

42:22 Speaker 5: M h, Well, damn, I'd be curious to know what

42:26 Speaker 5: the rock Feller J White ranch in Wyoe means really, Like, Uh,

42:30 Speaker 5: I get what you're saying. Though, for Greer, the way

42:32 Speaker 5: I look at it, with Greer, I think he started

42:34 Speaker 5: out with the best of intentions. I think he's actually

42:37 Speaker 5: done a tremendous amount of good for the quote unquote

42:40 Speaker 5: air quote UFO community, whatever that means. But he's bringing

42:44 Speaker 5: the topic up to a lot of people. Because he

42:46 Speaker 5: has valid credentials, people will take him seriously. And he's

42:49 Speaker 5: spoken to how many tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands,

42:52 Speaker 5: if not millions of people have heard this story from

42:55 Speaker 5: him and at least sparked their curiosity moving forward. You know,

43:00 Speaker 5: he's done that. He's done more than any of us, right.

43:03 Speaker 5: He has gotten people into the subject to question the narrative,

43:07 Speaker 5: to get involved and understand that there is something going on,

43:09 Speaker 5: and that should absolutely be commended. I would love to

43:11 Speaker 5: have a conversation with him see what the change is,

43:15 Speaker 5: because it does seem to be a perceptible change in things.

43:19 Speaker 1: But if anything, I think, what is it?

43:21 Speaker 5: He just got an award here recently, right, yeah, yeah,

43:25 Speaker 5: and and and good for him, he deserve I forget

43:28 Speaker 5: who it was.

43:29 Speaker 1: I can't think of it.

43:32 Speaker 2: It wasn't the Cosmic Conscious Awards, was it?

43:36 Speaker 1: I don't know, No, sure, but he should get more.

43:40 Speaker 5: I mean, I'm it's easy for people who are deep

43:43 Speaker 5: into the subject to hate on the guy because they

43:45 Speaker 5: don't think he does enough. It's the same people anytime

43:46 Speaker 5: a documentary comes to people, Well, he didn't have this

43:48 Speaker 5: information and we already know all that. No one takes

43:51 Speaker 5: into account that the majority of the population doesn't know

43:55 Speaker 5: these things and when they come out it is new

43:58 Speaker 5: to them. To the diehard craze, he's like us who

44:01 Speaker 5: are very mentally unwell, yeah, yeah, we're all about it, right,

44:05 Speaker 5: like we get that's not enough, we need more.

44:07 Speaker 2: Uh.

44:08 Speaker 5: But for you know, John Jones living down the street

44:11 Speaker 5: and mister Smith, who aren't into this. Him and his

44:14 Speaker 5: wife happened to catch the documentary and they're, WHOA is

44:18 Speaker 5: that A that's a he's a real emergency room doctor.

44:20 Speaker 1: Talking about this stuff and career. He left that career,

44:25 Speaker 1: And I did look.

44:26 Speaker 2: I did actually vent because I was always I was

44:29 Speaker 2: always a little weary about that. I looked into it.

44:34 Speaker 2: The dude who is making moucho, I mean, he was

44:40 Speaker 2: the lead, like he was above above, so I don't

44:46 Speaker 2: know what it means in the medical world, but he

44:49 Speaker 2: was like he was the supervisor of this like that.

44:54 Speaker 2: So he had a cushy job and he left it

44:59 Speaker 2: to pursue this So I think there is one thing

45:03 Speaker 2: to be said about the UFO community and the paranormal

45:06 Speaker 2: community is that we say this often. It's someone has

45:12 Speaker 2: an experience, and it's unlike any other topic or niche

45:17 Speaker 2: or hobby, because once it touches you, you become obsessed

45:27 Speaker 2: and you instead of this is the only topic. Like

45:32 Speaker 2: I said that, I've seen people literally drop everything and

45:39 Speaker 2: just go full on course correction. I want answers, and

45:45 Speaker 2: that's what I'm doing for the rest of my life.

45:48 Speaker 2: What other thing? What other topic?

45:52 Speaker 1: What other uh?

45:55 Speaker 2: I don't really know how to say it, but what

45:57 Speaker 2: other thing would make someone like that, make someone act

46:03 Speaker 2: that way, make someone up? Well, aside from addiction.

46:09 Speaker 5: Hookers, Yeah, well only if you're drowning them.

46:13 Speaker 1: You know already give up, right, But.

46:18 Speaker 2: You see what I'm saying. I just had Robert Sallas

46:23 Speaker 2: on the show.

46:26 Speaker 1: Who's That? That was your last show, wasn't I think

46:29 Speaker 1: it was.

46:30 Speaker 2: My last show?

46:30 Speaker 1: Yes?

46:32 Speaker 2: And he was part of that Disclosure Project. I don't

46:36 Speaker 2: know if you remember the original two thousand and one

46:38 Speaker 2: disclosure project. Someone from my audience brought it up, that

46:43 Speaker 2: disclosure project. One point zero happens, what happens a month

46:48 Speaker 2: later nine to eleven. Mm hmm, because, like you said,

46:54 Speaker 2: that should have been disclosure right there. Yeah, immediate something

46:59 Speaker 2: take told of the news cycle immediately after.

47:04 Speaker 1: The disclosure project like a the first one reminds me

47:08 Speaker 1: somewhat of because we just had butt Brella on last

47:16 Speaker 1: week and we when we were talking about the Moon show,

47:19 Speaker 1: I said to him, like towards the end of our

47:21 Speaker 1: interview with him that I thought, I think a funny

47:24 Speaker 1: thing happened on the way to the Moon. If that

47:26 Speaker 1: had been released in a Internet world where it would

47:32 Speaker 1: have been shared on multiple video sites and millions of

47:36 Speaker 1: people would have seen it, I think that would have

47:39 Speaker 1: changed the world. Yeah, it would have changed changed the world.

47:41 Speaker 1: That the the the clean up operation that would have

47:47 Speaker 1: had to have gone on from the Moon hoax team

47:51 Speaker 1: because I I don't believe we went to the Moon

47:55 Speaker 1: would have had to be so it would have been impossible,

47:58 Speaker 1: it would.

47:58 Speaker 2: You know, they we went to the Moon?

48:01 Speaker 1: No, not for a second.

48:03 Speaker 2: What am I talking to here? I doesn't say I

48:08 Speaker 2: just had a different screen up. Who doesn't believe?

48:12 Speaker 5: I don't believe it went don't believe, but neither of you.

48:17 Speaker 1: Hollie, Come on, make make make the pyramid.

48:24 Speaker 4: I don't, but I don't believe the footage we saw

48:26 Speaker 4: it was.

48:29 Speaker 2: Scare. Now you're saying, now we're now, we're on the

48:33 Speaker 2: right path, do I do?

48:35 Speaker 1: I know?

48:36 Speaker 4: I think, Okay, if we went to the moon, we're there. Now,

48:42 Speaker 4: we're still there. I don't believe that they stopped. If

48:45 Speaker 4: they did go, they didn't stop.

48:48 Speaker 2: I was gonna say, you can't believe in a secret

48:50 Speaker 2: fucking government and not think we've been to the moon.

48:54 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know.

48:55 Speaker 5: I think they can go. I think that the there's

48:58 Speaker 5: investigates cha charing to we didn't go to the moon.

49:01 Speaker 5: I think that they would be more obsessed with the

49:04 Speaker 5: occults and control measures here because when I look at

49:07 Speaker 5: secret emails, I don't see too much about the secret

49:10 Speaker 5: space program or agency. But I do see things where

49:13 Speaker 5: world leaders are talking about sacrificing chickens.

49:15 Speaker 1: To Moloch, you know what I mean.

49:19 Speaker 5: They're not, hey, get Captain Kirk ready for the beam

49:22 Speaker 5: me up to Mars, but they're like, hey, get the

49:24 Speaker 5: chicken ready, because we're gonna cut the head off that

49:26 Speaker 5: with some walnut sauce and dance naked in the moonlight

49:28 Speaker 5: under fire No, we're just pouling around.

49:31 Speaker 1: All the guys are doing. All the guys are doing

49:33 Speaker 1: little grab ass, you know, no big deal. But yeah,

49:37 Speaker 1: the amounts of times I've like just sent like joke

49:41 Speaker 1: emails to people talking about making sacrifice to Baffa Matt, Like,

49:45 Speaker 1: I can't count those emails. I sent six hundred and

49:48 Speaker 1: sixty six today. I need that from there. Was right.

50:05 Speaker 2: Oh man, I got to chat with you more. Oh god,

50:10 Speaker 2: I haven't laughed like that in a while.

50:13 Speaker 4: So I asked you earlier, what what what do you think?

50:20 Speaker 4: So obviously you've you've done your research on this subject.

50:25 Speaker 1: Where are you now? Where am I now?

50:28 Speaker 4: I'm in in this in this subject? Where where is

50:31 Speaker 4: your headspace with this?

50:32 Speaker 1: He's not a podcast, Come on here.

50:37 Speaker 2: I was going to make the joke I'm in framing him.

50:42 Speaker 2: But I think that we're dealing with a much more

50:46 Speaker 2: complex I used to think that it was all aliens, right,

50:52 Speaker 2: it was all beings from other planets now coming here.

51:00 Speaker 1: You know, And and I think this is flat and

51:03 Speaker 1: it's run by reptilians a little bit more every day.

51:06 Speaker 2: Man, But you know it's weird. You know it's weird.

51:09 Speaker 2: I was in the UN Building. I don't know if

51:12 Speaker 2: you've ever if you've ever been there, but in the

51:15 Speaker 2: UN building hangs a flat Earth map.

51:20 Speaker 6: Yeah.

51:21 Speaker 1: Wild. Also the I believe the picture of it the

51:25 Speaker 1: other day.

51:26 Speaker 2: It sparked it.

51:27 Speaker 1: Yeah, I believe the map on the Air Force one

51:31 Speaker 1: as well as a fat earth map.

51:34 Speaker 2: Yeah, they're all essentially flat earth maps.

51:39 Speaker 1: And a weird that's on like.

51:40 Speaker 2: A logo like that tends to reflect and listen. I

51:47 Speaker 2: I I, I don't know about the flat earth thing.

51:51 Speaker 2: I don't. I don't I.

51:53 Speaker 1: Believe the way you're speaking. We have a T ship

51:56 Speaker 1: for you. Yeah, definitely have a T ship for you.

52:00 Speaker 1: And it feels like you should be wearing that flat

52:08 Speaker 1: earther How much is it? I'm not sure.

52:14 Speaker 2: Shall buy that right now?

52:16 Speaker 1: Reasonabok they are?

52:19 Speaker 2: You know you got a great You've got a great

52:20 Speaker 2: audience too. See I go.

52:24 Speaker 5: On the medication today.

52:25 Speaker 1: I'm I might.

52:26 Speaker 2: Shadow band on YouTube for some reason.

52:29 Speaker 1: My podcast.

52:30 Speaker 2: My podcast has an average one hundred thousand listeners average,

52:36 Speaker 2: so you know, I'm not I'm not trying to brand.

52:40 Speaker 2: But on YouTube, ickup barely cracked six heighter views. I'm like,

52:44 Speaker 2: what the fuck is going on? Yeah?

52:46 Speaker 5: Oh hey, man, I mean, you know our audio, we're

52:49 Speaker 5: we're getting like two hundred so yeah, no, just two

52:53 Speaker 5: hundred thousand.

52:58 Speaker 2: Backwards.

52:59 Speaker 1: Yeah, one less than two hundred and one, one more

53:01 Speaker 1: than one hundred and ninety nine.

53:02 Speaker 2: So we should come together, scissor.

53:05 Speaker 5: I don't think we can do that, or at least

53:07 Speaker 5: not without an OnlyFans.

53:11 Speaker 2: No, but back to it, guys, that's that was a

53:13 Speaker 2: fucking amazing joke. By the way, where I'm at now

53:17 Speaker 2: is I just think there's so much more going on,

53:19 Speaker 2: and I think that that, Like I said, it's kind

53:24 Speaker 2: of like this notion that you know, the big the

53:29 Speaker 2: big reveal. Right when we when we're young, we look

53:34 Speaker 2: up to our parents and any adult honestly, and we

53:38 Speaker 2: say they know everything. They know everything because they're an adult,

53:45 Speaker 2: so they know everything. Right. It's not until a little

53:49 Speaker 2: bit later in life that we realize that our parents

53:54 Speaker 2: they're just fucking people and they're winging it day by day,

53:58 Speaker 2: just like Joe Dick in the head read down the street,

54:01 Speaker 2: just like Tom Sally and Joe over on the block,

54:05 Speaker 2: just like everybody is so right. It's it's this big secret.

54:11 Speaker 2: It's the same thing with the world that we're taught

54:14 Speaker 2: it's black and white. It's not right. Yeah, Like we're

54:18 Speaker 2: taught that this desk is real. I can see it,

54:21 Speaker 2: I can feel it, right, And and what we can

54:26 Speaker 2: see touch and feels, that's what's real, right, Science is

54:31 Speaker 2: real right because we can we can test, we can

54:36 Speaker 2: test it, we can measure it, we can yahda yaha

54:41 Speaker 2: ya Okay, I get that. But I'm seeing a lot

54:45 Speaker 2: more gray now than I ever have before. Is that's

54:50 Speaker 2: where I am.

54:53 Speaker 5: Right, That's the healthy place to be. That's the natural

54:56 Speaker 5: evolution of logic. That logic was never meant to those

55:01 Speaker 5: who believe themselves to be better and have made upon

55:04 Speaker 5: initials to put behind their name because they hang out

55:06 Speaker 5: for a really long time at school with a bunch

55:08 Speaker 5: of really old people, and how they get the grades

55:10 Speaker 5: that are very questionable depending on chess size, bus size,

55:12 Speaker 5: and willingness to humiliate themselves. So why would we put

55:17 Speaker 5: ourselves under the judgment of them instead of question it

55:21 Speaker 5: for ourselves. And again, it's another trick that's been played, right,

55:24 Speaker 5: it's a trick that's been played on the populace that

55:27 Speaker 5: they are better and more intelligent than you. You should

55:29 Speaker 5: listen to them because they speak loudly. If you tell

55:33 Speaker 5: a lie loud enough, long enough, it becomes the truth.

55:36 Speaker 5: And that has been mastered, and the masses have been

55:39 Speaker 5: fold into believing that they are less than they are

55:41 Speaker 5: when the realities people are intelligent and capable and competent,

55:44 Speaker 5: and they can judge for themselves, and they should. They

55:46 Speaker 5: should be given the evidence and not just the word

55:49 Speaker 5: of strangers on TV that we don't know their background,

55:51 Speaker 5: especially when you find out that they dress up like

55:53 Speaker 5: a dog and beat other people with steel dildos and

55:57 Speaker 5: they hold lectures on it, and they like to steal

55:59 Speaker 5: women's clothing from airports. Like, that's not the person you

56:02 Speaker 5: put in charge of nuclear security.

56:03 Speaker 1: Of waste, you know what?

56:04 Speaker 2: I like.

56:05 Speaker 1: I'm just saying we should have even made more aware

56:08 Speaker 1: of that before this was going on.

56:10 Speaker 2: Why do you think why do you think the Epstein

56:12 Speaker 2: list didn't come out?

56:14 Speaker 1: Who never heard of him?

56:15 Speaker 2: Yeah? Why do you think that? Why do you think

56:18 Speaker 2: we'll never know who p did he had information on?

56:23 Speaker 1: I think we do know.

56:24 Speaker 5: I think we do know he he had it on.

56:26 Speaker 5: I guarantee it with someone at federal and government levels

56:28 Speaker 5: as quickly as those charges disappeared, right right, Yeah, I

56:31 Speaker 5: think we could run that to the top of Homeland

56:33 Speaker 5: Security and the FBI and see the people who are

56:36 Speaker 5: directly Like who's the American Attorney General for Southern Florida,

56:40 Speaker 5: who was in charge of that? Who made that go away?

56:42 Speaker 1: Oh? You used to go to Ditty's parties? Cool?

56:44 Speaker 5: Can we see your cell phone?

56:46 Speaker 2: Yeah? Right, right, So Julian Dorry. I don't know if

56:51 Speaker 2: you guys know Julian.

56:53 Speaker 1: Yeah, heard of him?

56:54 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So he's not like a friend of mine.

56:58 Speaker 2: We've conversed here and there. But someone made a remark

57:05 Speaker 2: to him almost seven to eight years ago and it

57:08 Speaker 2: was like and he kind of like brushed it off,

57:11 Speaker 2: and it was like, if you get invited to a

57:13 Speaker 2: P Diddy party, don't go, And like he just was

57:17 Speaker 2: like what they just moved on?

57:21 Speaker 1: Right?

57:21 Speaker 2: He didn't know what it meant. Hindsight being twenty twenty, right,

57:26 Speaker 2: fucking I mean, that's weird. Now. Think about and anyone

57:33 Speaker 2: worth their salt in the intelligence world will tell you

57:37 Speaker 2: that if you find one mole, there's at least two

57:41 Speaker 2: more at least so P Diddy getting caught, I mean

57:49 Speaker 2: a man, there's probably people like P Diddy who have

57:52 Speaker 2: you know, the sex. You know, the walls, the double mirrors,

57:59 Speaker 2: that kind of ship. You know, the there's probably one

58:02 Speaker 2: of the three or five of those in every major industry, right,

58:07 Speaker 2: big Pharma, big, big, big Tech, Hollywood, definitely Hollywood. I mean,

58:15 Speaker 2: there's no question about it. So I left just any

58:19 Speaker 2: major industry, right, there's there's you got your honeypots, and

58:24 Speaker 2: there's people. That's what we've done.

58:28 Speaker 1: So the question then is is the question then has

58:31 Speaker 1: to be why I understand like the I mean, I

58:33 Speaker 1: think we know the answer power of a hypothetical, but

58:37 Speaker 1: it makes sense obviously, like it. I don't care whether

58:40 Speaker 1: you are like the Kremlin, Mussad, whatever it is. You

58:46 Speaker 1: if you can get a president or a or a

58:48 Speaker 1: top level politician in the bag, it's worth having a

58:54 Speaker 1: a politician like that in the bag.

58:57 Speaker 5: You mean, like, thanks, boyfriend, the Chinese affirmed agent Feng Fang,

59:02 Speaker 5: who is dating a United States congressman and a mayor

59:05 Speaker 5: and a couple other people.

59:08 Speaker 1: Getting bang bang. But this is why this control system hamed.

59:11 Speaker 1: But this is where this control system is much bigger

59:14 Speaker 1: than that. Because that's fine, Like the idea of corrupt

59:17 Speaker 1: politicians brilliant, Yeah, so why but why are we doing

59:21 Speaker 1: it with the entertainment industry then why, like because I mean,

59:24 Speaker 1: I I'm not alleging anything.

59:27 Speaker 5: It makes sense, Bro, they're the idols. You have to

59:30 Speaker 5: control the idol.

59:30 Speaker 2: They Yeah, they are the new gods. If you want

59:34 Speaker 2: to talk about gods, I mean, look at the way

59:38 Speaker 2: people fucking like literally, I mean, right, yeah, look at

59:44 Speaker 2: in Sync. I know this is like a throwback, right,

59:48 Speaker 2: but I mean you could say about Justin Bieber, like

59:52 Speaker 2: the the amount of people that would lose their goddamn

59:56 Speaker 2: minds when that guy was just maybe an a one

1:00:00 Speaker 2: hundred to two hundred yards of them.

1:00:02 Speaker 1: Yeah, but we'll look look at the videos of the

1:00:04 Speaker 1: Beatles and stuff for that right insane.

1:00:07 Speaker 2: Look going bananas. So celebrities are the new I mean,

1:00:12 Speaker 2: and now we see it yearning over into politics. Everything's

1:00:15 Speaker 2: going back into politics. And it's I mean, our fathers

1:00:21 Speaker 2: and their fathers politics was never in politics, stayed in politics, correct,

1:00:29 Speaker 2: And if it wasn't in politics, it would be backroom

1:00:32 Speaker 2: conversations that you're having, And it wasn't. It didn't come

1:00:36 Speaker 2: out into the into the world. Right.

1:00:38 Speaker 5: Yeah, before we non surgically transition to a different topic,

1:00:44 Speaker 5: something that I find we should definitely look at and

1:00:47 Speaker 5: at least have an intellectual thought about, right, a little

1:00:50 Speaker 5: little gaming up there.

1:00:52 Speaker 1: I agree with you.

1:00:53 Speaker 5: I think that the golden idols that are put out

1:00:55 Speaker 5: that are celebrities, and they are groomed for that, so

1:00:58 Speaker 5: they have influence well than fame. But just like we

1:01:01 Speaker 5: were saying before, there's always something above that's pulling those strings.

1:01:05 Speaker 5: And if you're one of these uber celebrities, who you're

1:01:07 Speaker 5: unto yourself, this little kingdom right of getting worshiped and

1:01:11 Speaker 5: you know, adored by the masses. Money's thorn at you,

1:01:13 Speaker 5: everything's thrown at you. M how do they wrangle them

1:01:17 Speaker 5: into Maria Brahmovinch's spirit cooking parties? And they look so

1:01:20 Speaker 5: unhappy about being there, but they're all there. They're all

1:01:23 Speaker 5: toeing the line. They're all eating the blood and seamen cake,

1:01:27 Speaker 5: you know what I mean, as she as they bow

1:01:29 Speaker 5: and kiss her feet, right strings?

1:01:34 Speaker 2: WHOA. I hate to say this publicly, Alex Jones, he

1:01:45 Speaker 2: might not be so far off.

1:01:48 Speaker 5: Uh No, I think he's just gone.

1:01:49 Speaker 2: Crazy from He's definitely way off on one issue, probably

1:01:57 Speaker 2: a couple, probably multiple, probably a couple. But there's a

1:02:01 Speaker 2: lot of ship that that guy.

1:02:04 Speaker 5: Yeah, she broke a while back.

1:02:08 Speaker 1: To the crazy thing because obviously we're not gonna we're

1:02:10 Speaker 1: not going to talk about that one thing that he

1:02:12 Speaker 1: was definitely wrong about. But what I will point out

1:02:15 Speaker 1: about that one thing that he was definitely wrong about

1:02:18 Speaker 1: is I remember that being the talk of the Internet

1:02:21 Speaker 1: back in old school YouTube days, and there was so

1:02:24 Speaker 1: many more people. There were so many more people out

1:02:27 Speaker 1: there saying so much more stuff about that than the

1:02:30 Speaker 1: twenty minutes that he talked about on a on a podcast,

1:02:34 Speaker 1: which and I've.

1:02:35 Speaker 2: Never seen the action happen so swiftly where every single

1:02:41 Speaker 2: company unanimously boot dropped it.

1:02:46 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that was a floodgate as well, because there

1:02:49 Speaker 1: was a load of other people went after that as well,

1:02:50 Speaker 1: because that's they talked. They took from from Ike to

1:02:54 Speaker 1: Mi Louianopolis. There was there was this big glut where

1:02:58 Speaker 1: the at the time social media and the Silicon Valley

1:03:02 Speaker 1: elites took out problematic people. It didn't matter whether they

1:03:07 Speaker 1: were problematic conspiracy theorists or just political commentators. They tooked

1:03:13 Speaker 1: the dissidents out. And that was like the worst, bleakest,

1:03:17 Speaker 1: boring time of X or Twitter back then. It's it

1:03:22 Speaker 1: seems strange to me that how do I talk about

1:03:27 Speaker 1: this in a safe way?

1:03:29 Speaker 2: Uh?

1:03:30 Speaker 1: You know what we can't on a podcast. We talked

1:03:33 Speaker 1: about tomorrow on a podcast. Yeah, you know, I'm gonna

1:03:36 Speaker 1: let it go. I'm gonna let it go. I'm gonna

1:03:38 Speaker 1: let ride away.

1:03:40 Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe maybe we can transition. I know we uh well,

1:03:43 Speaker 2: we've got like seventeen minutes left.

1:03:45 Speaker 1: I was literally gonna say this. We've talked about your documentary.

1:03:48 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, Hey, before we transition, I'm keeping my penis.

1:03:52 Speaker 1: I'm just letting you know. Oh my god, you don't

1:03:59 Speaker 1: have to cut off that.

1:04:00 Speaker 2: That joke went so far.

1:04:02 Speaker 1: Over my head that you ass that's what I don't

1:04:06 Speaker 1: want keep your dick and balls.

1:04:08 Speaker 2: That was fucking brilliant, man. Can you uh can you

1:04:13 Speaker 2: give me? Give me twenty seconds? I just want to

1:04:15 Speaker 2: grab my notebook that has all the notes.

1:04:18 Speaker 1: Absolutely. Yeah, would you guys do this weekend?

1:04:21 Speaker 2: I thought it was in the two notebooks.

1:04:24 Speaker 1: Tried one of all these dildos? Yeah? How do they

1:04:27 Speaker 1: taste delicious? I've got mine on order.

1:04:33 Speaker 5: I made some hot sauce and got it taste tested

1:04:35 Speaker 5: at a party.

1:04:37 Speaker 1: How did that go? They love it? I wish I

1:04:39 Speaker 1: could send you guys a couple of bottles. Oh yeah,

1:04:42 Speaker 1: I love I think would get it stopped though. Oh

1:04:47 Speaker 1: I made jerky for the first time.

1:04:49 Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, you got callouses?

1:04:51 Speaker 1: Are you still good? You a little bit? I've had

1:04:55 Speaker 1: caluses for ages. It's fine, but no, it was a

1:04:58 Speaker 1: roaring success.

1:05:00 Speaker 4: It's what when you said you made jerky, looks of

1:05:03 Speaker 4: pounds to make it.

1:05:04 Speaker 5: I have to do this yourate meat.

1:05:09 Speaker 1: Oh, I like you.

1:05:11 Speaker 5: What's going on in your country? Do you guys have

1:05:13 Speaker 5: robot brothels too.

1:05:15 Speaker 1: Well? Yet? Fucking we deserve to be judged. It wasn't

1:05:22 Speaker 1: prepared for that. I was just talking about robot brothels.

1:05:27 Speaker 2: I've never been good good I heard that fun I think.

1:05:35 Speaker 1: I think we deserve to be judged.

1:05:37 Speaker 5: And it is the downfall of humanity that they have

1:05:39 Speaker 5: robot like we're taking jobs from prostitutes.

1:05:44 Speaker 1: I didn't see AI doing that. I never call that

1:05:47 Speaker 1: one prostitute. What Dave's truly worried about is the fact

1:05:55 Speaker 1: that you can't drown a robot. You can't drown a

1:05:58 Speaker 1: robot prostitute. You'll get electric.

1:06:03 Speaker 2: Well, they're getting more realistic. I've seen them the China.

1:06:09 Speaker 2: They're trying to they're like doing like biological skin. It's creepy.

1:06:14 Speaker 2: But speaking of that, so there is a so my

1:06:22 Speaker 2: girlfriend and I we set on an adventure because so

1:06:28 Speaker 2: we talked about my YouTube and the disproportionality between the viewership.

1:06:34 Speaker 1: Uh.

1:06:34 Speaker 2: And so we decided that, Okay, we're going to continue

1:06:38 Speaker 2: putting on the podcasts out on YouTube, but why don't

1:06:41 Speaker 2: we use my skill set. I have enough equipment to

1:06:45 Speaker 2: house a small TV studio. Why don't we start doing

1:06:49 Speaker 2: more like boots on the ground investigation. Uh. And I

1:06:55 Speaker 2: was like, that's, oh my god, it's such a good idea,

1:06:57 Speaker 2: you know. I think that's a really good way to

1:06:59 Speaker 2: kind of switch things up. And I was like, I

1:07:02 Speaker 2: got the perfect story. I grew up five minutes from

1:07:08 Speaker 2: the most haunted road in New England. It is known

1:07:12 Speaker 2: as Dudley Road. Anyone can look it up, Dudley Road.

1:07:17 Speaker 2: It's on the border of bill Rica and Bedford, Massachusetts,

1:07:23 Speaker 2: and it is it's let's just say that a lot

1:07:28 Speaker 2: of the lore for the town it was a there

1:07:35 Speaker 2: was it's a big hub. It was a big hub,

1:07:38 Speaker 2: and there was a big battle that was fought between

1:07:41 Speaker 2: the natives of the land and the colonials in this

1:07:45 Speaker 2: habit in northern Bilrica, but it did spread. But again

1:07:51 Speaker 2: that's neither here nor there. It doesn't really play into

1:07:54 Speaker 2: the story that I'm telling. So Dudley Road, now, people

1:08:00 Speaker 2: from the town, this is a road that has stories

1:08:04 Speaker 2: passed down and you'll hear it in the trailer, passed

1:08:07 Speaker 2: down through generations. But I want to emphasize before we

1:08:12 Speaker 2: show the trailer that at the time that this trailer

1:08:16 Speaker 2: was created, it was at the time a YouTube video

1:08:20 Speaker 2: that we were doing. By happenstance, we ended up on

1:08:27 Speaker 2: a tour that brought us from Dudley Road to Salem,

1:08:32 Speaker 2: Massachusetts and the witch trials, and then the witches and

1:08:37 Speaker 2: medium in Salem told us that my story ended in Bridgewater.

1:08:44 Speaker 2: The fuck does that mean? I was like, what's in Bridgewater? Lo,

1:08:48 Speaker 2: and behold, there's something called the Bridgewater Triangle. Right, So

1:08:54 Speaker 2: this thing just grew and all of a sudden it

1:08:58 Speaker 2: went from a YouTube short film to a legitimate feature film.

1:09:04 Speaker 2: We don't have a official trailer for the movie, but

1:09:09 Speaker 2: what we're gonna show you is the what I I'm

1:09:12 Speaker 2: now calling just it's a teaser. It just shows you

1:09:15 Speaker 2: a little bit into the larger picture. So do you

1:09:19 Speaker 2: mind if I just throw that out now?

1:09:22 Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you.

1:09:23 Speaker 2: Actually you would have to add it. Yeah, Dudley Road

1:09:31 Speaker 2: boats a rich history with tales dating back centuries. It's

1:09:34 Speaker 2: not just it's colonial charm that draws attention. It's the

1:09:37 Speaker 2: stories whispered in hoss tones, passed down through generations. That's

1:09:59 Speaker 2: not all.

1:10:25 Speaker 1: M hm.

1:10:35 Speaker 2: Hm now again cool uh yeah, now again it said

1:10:50 Speaker 2: coming this October, that is not the case anymore. And

1:10:55 Speaker 2: the so we've renamed the project Cursed Echoes. Beyond the veil,

1:11:00 Speaker 2: we have found some just I mean the amount I

1:11:05 Speaker 2: don't want to spoil too much of it, but the

1:11:07 Speaker 2: amount of of connections between Burrica and Salem. Uh and

1:11:14 Speaker 2: the witch trials. I mean everyone knows about the Salem

1:11:18 Speaker 2: with trials, right yeah, all right, well the Queen of Witches.

1:11:24 Speaker 2: Now in the documentary that in the trailer, that trailer,

1:11:29 Speaker 2: there there are some stone anomalies that I show. Those

1:11:34 Speaker 2: are the stone anomalies that are in the woods where

1:11:37 Speaker 2: these So the legend of Dudley Road is a group

1:11:41 Speaker 2: of nuns. We're practicing witchcraft. There's a convent on Dudley Road.

1:11:46 Speaker 2: Now the convent, it's shrouded in mystery, to say the least.

1:11:54 Speaker 2: But the witches, the nuns were caught having practiced witch

1:12:00 Speaker 2: craft now in the sixteenth century, not only being a

1:12:03 Speaker 2: woman of God. But this is like the highest of

1:12:08 Speaker 2: treason that you can commit, right, is witchcraft, because not

1:12:13 Speaker 2: only are you betraying God, but you're I mean you're

1:12:18 Speaker 2: using dark magic right and potentially drawing from demonic power instead.

1:12:28 Speaker 2: So you could see that this would be an ultimate

1:12:30 Speaker 2: treasonous act of a nun. So the nuns were hanged

1:12:35 Speaker 2: out on the you see in the document in the

1:12:37 Speaker 2: trailer there's a tree that's allegedly where they were hanged.

1:12:42 Speaker 2: They now haunt the road. I have dozens of witnesses

1:12:47 Speaker 2: myself included, that have seen experienced weird shit on the road,

1:12:54 Speaker 2: from orbs of light to full body apparitions to your

1:12:58 Speaker 2: car just dying. It's spooky as hell. The further we

1:13:03 Speaker 2: dug into Dudley Road, turns out that Dudley Road Thomas

1:13:11 Speaker 2: Dudley his family. If you chain it all the way

1:13:16 Speaker 2: up or chain it all the way back, I should

1:13:19 Speaker 2: say they are the Pickmans. The Pickmans got rich in

1:13:25 Speaker 2: Salem off of the boating industry. Now funny story about

1:13:30 Speaker 2: the boating industry in Salem. Salem was the second largest

1:13:33 Speaker 2: port out of outside of Boston, so Blackbeard's apprentice was

1:13:38 Speaker 2: trained out of Salem. A lot of high profile pirates

1:13:42 Speaker 2: came out of Salem, so they used to employ the

1:13:47 Speaker 2: witches after building a new ship. In witches, we use

1:13:53 Speaker 2: with air quotes because it was more like if we

1:13:56 Speaker 2: were to say it now, it'd be more holistic, right,

1:14:00 Speaker 2: blessings herbal you know that kind of stuff, Like if

1:14:06 Speaker 2: anyone's been to Salem, you know what I'm talking about.

1:14:09 Speaker 2: It's the witchcraft that's presented to you there now. And

1:14:13 Speaker 2: it's ironic that you know, now it's a town where

1:14:17 Speaker 2: it's the exact opposite. It's celebrated, right. But the Pickman's

1:14:24 Speaker 2: got their wealth from the shipping industry. They were builders, shipbuilders,

1:14:32 Speaker 2: and they would often employ witches quote unquote again to

1:14:37 Speaker 2: come and bless their ships for pillage and plunder. It

1:14:41 Speaker 2: wasn't until later that they turned on the witches for

1:14:46 Speaker 2: greed and other circumstances. That'scessaria being one of them. Mostly

1:14:51 Speaker 2: power and greed. What I'm getting at is it seems

1:14:58 Speaker 2: that the le and is what is holding the atrocities

1:15:05 Speaker 2: committed by man, corruption, greed, that yearning for power creates

1:15:16 Speaker 2: some sort of resonance in the land. Now, I think

1:15:21 Speaker 2: we're dealing with some sort of cursed echo. And that's

1:15:26 Speaker 2: where I get my idea for like a ghost, because

1:15:29 Speaker 2: many of the people that I talk to in Salem,

1:15:33 Speaker 2: in Bridgewater and on Dubley Road have seen a lady

1:15:37 Speaker 2: in white or people in colonial era clothing. Why is

1:15:43 Speaker 2: this so? Are we just seeing beyond the veil some

1:15:48 Speaker 2: sort of uh, you know, it's not that the the

1:15:56 Speaker 2: you know, the ghost we can interact with, right, It's

1:15:59 Speaker 2: it's an echo of the past, held there by the

1:16:02 Speaker 2: land and held there by the atrocities by man that

1:16:07 Speaker 2: that you know, uh, allowed us to be corrupted in

1:16:11 Speaker 2: the first place. Right. We trace all of that back,

1:16:14 Speaker 2: you know, we trace it back to the garden, right,

1:16:20 Speaker 2: the serpent in the garden corrupted mankind.

1:16:24 Speaker 1: Right.

1:16:25 Speaker 2: So this story that we're telling it just it really

1:16:28 Speaker 2: dives deep into that and into this idea of witchcraft.

1:16:34 Speaker 2: The devil. You saw the altar I was talking about

1:16:39 Speaker 2: that it's built into the side of a hill, looks

1:16:42 Speaker 2: like a doorway into another world, has gemstones built into

1:16:46 Speaker 2: the top of it, and I mean it's clearly made.

1:16:51 Speaker 2: Oh and by the way, Thomas Dudley the road is

1:16:58 Speaker 2: named after him. It's also a state protected reservation, so

1:17:05 Speaker 2: they can't alter the anything, right, they can't tear anything down.

1:17:11 Speaker 2: They can't. It's really odd, and I really I don't

1:17:17 Speaker 2: want to spoil because if I keep going, I'm gonna

1:17:19 Speaker 2: spoil a lot of the kind of alluring mystery to it.

1:17:24 Speaker 2: But I think I found where the nuns were practicing

1:17:32 Speaker 2: witchcraft that alter. At the bottom it says drink from

1:17:38 Speaker 2: the fountain in some language that we had to trans

1:17:45 Speaker 2: the I don't know exactly what language is off the

1:17:48 Speaker 2: top of my head, but at the base of it,

1:17:50 Speaker 2: it says drink from the fountain. And anyone familiar with

1:17:55 Speaker 2: alchemy will know that the upside down triangle is the

1:17:59 Speaker 2: simp or symbol for water UFOs paranormal what. There's a big,

1:18:08 Speaker 2: big commonality bodies of water, right, the Bridgewater triangle. It

1:18:14 Speaker 2: is literally the center of it is a body of water.

1:18:18 Speaker 2: The hawk a mock swamp. Right. Why did the witches

1:18:21 Speaker 2: tell me that my story ended there? I'll tell you why.

1:18:27 Speaker 2: It's in the movie.

1:18:30 Speaker 1: I can't go.

1:18:31 Speaker 2: I can't go much further than that without spoiling everything.

1:18:37 Speaker 2: We don't it'll be out before the end of the year, right,

1:18:41 Speaker 2: October is just not reasonable at this point.

1:18:46 Speaker 4: But where can our people find it?

1:18:49 Speaker 2: If subscribe on YouTube, I'm sharing all updates there no

1:18:55 Speaker 2: matter what, it will go out on YouTube, but it

1:18:58 Speaker 2: might be behind a member paywall. I'm also in talks

1:19:03 Speaker 2: right now with t B right, so that's what we're

1:19:08 Speaker 2: hoping for. But we're also gonna anyone who's local to

1:19:12 Speaker 2: New England. We're gonna do a premiere, so uh, get

1:19:16 Speaker 2: in contact with me my emails tie at Total Disclosure

1:19:22 Speaker 2: no tie dot Total Disclosure at gmail dot com, or

1:19:25 Speaker 2: just message me at Disclosure Pod on Twitter. The official

1:19:30 Speaker 2: trailer will make its debut in October, and I got

1:19:36 Speaker 2: a bunch of great people working with me. We're actually

1:19:38 Speaker 2: doing a reshoot this Friday, and let's it's safe. So

1:19:44 Speaker 2: I have a nun outfit that we got uh and

1:19:47 Speaker 2: we're gonna pay a little homage this transition.

1:19:51 Speaker 1: This is the transition. We're all waiting for it.

1:19:55 Speaker 2: My girlfriend is going to dress up as a nun

1:19:57 Speaker 2: and we're we have a b roll, so we have

1:20:00 Speaker 2: a a I kind of like, so, I we don't

1:20:05 Speaker 2: know the exact legend of w Road. All we know

1:20:08 Speaker 2: is parts of it, right, you know, is that the

1:20:10 Speaker 2: nuns were hanged. So basically what I did was I

1:20:13 Speaker 2: created my own story around it, and I added dialogue.

1:20:18 Speaker 2: That's how the movie opens. So when we were going

1:20:21 Speaker 2: to do the reshoots, we're doing one scene in specific

1:20:26 Speaker 2: where she's gonna be kneeling in front of that altar

1:20:31 Speaker 2: and she's gonna be chanting a portal open, a legitimate

1:20:35 Speaker 2: Anocchi Latin spell, a portal opening spell, and we are

1:20:42 Speaker 2: going to dump fake blood on her and pay homage

1:20:47 Speaker 2: to carry.

1:20:48 Speaker 1: So it doesn't have to be fake. I know a guy,

1:20:50 Speaker 1: it's like gallons. Yeah, no questions.

1:20:56 Speaker 2: We've a really really hard at work on this and

1:21:00 Speaker 2: the final like that little he's there. I I wish

1:21:06 Speaker 2: that never got out there because what I just I

1:21:11 Speaker 2: I didn't have the scope. But like I said, I

1:21:15 Speaker 2: I think I was led down a path because what

1:21:18 Speaker 2: I experienced in the Bridgewater Triangle made me a believer.

1:21:26 Speaker 2: And it's on a camera.

1:21:29 Speaker 1: Awesome. Yeah, I'm gonna watch. I'm down. I'm sold.

1:21:33 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a two parts, It's gonna be two parts.

1:21:36 Speaker 2: First part will be the the Dudley Salem, second part

1:21:41 Speaker 2: will be Bridgewater, and they will together. It'll be about

1:21:46 Speaker 2: three and a half hours.

1:21:48 Speaker 1: Nice.

1:21:48 Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's why. Yeah, that's that's why. And then

1:21:53 Speaker 2: I'm I'm just I just want to tease this. The

1:21:59 Speaker 2: reason I pulled back and I'm working so much harder

1:22:06 Speaker 2: on this movie is because Philip Mantle and Irena Scott,

1:22:11 Speaker 2: doctor Irena Scott, came to me with a proposition. And

1:22:18 Speaker 2: I'll leave it there. It's a film a film proposition.

1:22:23 Speaker 2: So if you type their names into Google, just just

1:22:27 Speaker 2: look at the work they've done together and you could

1:22:29 Speaker 2: probably deduce what the next project is and why. The

1:22:33 Speaker 2: success of the project I'm working on now kind of

1:22:36 Speaker 2: hinders whether I get that job right right, So now

1:22:42 Speaker 2: I'm putting I've I've brought two more filmmakers on. I

1:22:48 Speaker 2: want to throw a shout out to the Bridgewater Paranormal Investigators.

1:22:53 Speaker 2: Without them, I would not have been able to do

1:22:57 Speaker 2: justice to the Bridgewater segment. They brought me to all

1:22:59 Speaker 2: the uh the hot spots and all the witnesses I

1:23:05 Speaker 2: had to talk to. They facilitated a lot of that.

1:23:08 Speaker 2: It was amazing, But I I uh we interacted with

1:23:14 Speaker 2: something a lot of things.

1:23:18 Speaker 1: It's a life changing experience when something like that happens.

1:23:21 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why I don't include it in my like

1:23:24 Speaker 2: when you asked me earlier, you know, like my I

1:23:27 Speaker 2: defined my two sightings as the UFO and the thing

1:23:33 Speaker 2: that happened with my mother. Right, everything else is as

1:23:36 Speaker 2: a result of me poking.

1:23:39 Speaker 5: Yeah, so we we, at least Leah and I had

1:23:42 Speaker 5: a shared experience that we will be happy to tell

1:23:45 Speaker 5: you about as we transition to the other show.

1:23:49 Speaker 1: Oh so people have to go over there to hear.

1:23:51 Speaker 2: It, all right? Right, all right, so how do we

1:23:57 Speaker 2: how you guys usually wrap this up.

1:24:00 Speaker 1: Really roughly. We don't like people give peg square peg

1:24:05 Speaker 1: ground hole, yeah, that type of thing. But hopefully we

1:24:10 Speaker 1: will will hang out again, either on this show or

1:24:13 Speaker 1: we'll come over to your podcast and hang out and

1:24:15 Speaker 1: have a chat chat about stuff as well. That'd be

1:24:17 Speaker 1: great too. The open, Well, what Dave was saying saying

1:24:23 Speaker 1: there was we we did a ghost hunt in like

1:24:25 Speaker 1: an abandoned prison, and the I went, I'll be dead honest.

1:24:30 Speaker 1: I was in as one hundred percent skeptic. I thought

1:24:32 Speaker 1: we were going to go in there dark and cold

1:24:35 Speaker 1: for eight hours and what ended up when it ended

1:24:38 Speaker 1: up happening was we had it in context communication from

1:24:46 Speaker 1: a spirit box in the room we were in, Like

1:24:49 Speaker 1: I thought that ship was bull Ship Blue. Blew my

1:24:54 Speaker 1: tiny mind open. So yeah, we know, we'd love to

1:24:56 Speaker 1: would love to tell you more about that. It's it's

1:24:59 Speaker 1: a shame we've got a and run so much with

1:25:01 Speaker 1: anyone else because we usually go a little bit longer

1:25:03 Speaker 1: than this on shows sometimes. But the three of us

1:25:06 Speaker 1: have to nip off and we're going to go and

1:25:07 Speaker 1: do Strange Sauna with Greg and that, so make sure

1:25:12 Speaker 1: you're keep an eye of the Strange Sauna. Obviously, we

1:25:15 Speaker 1: will be back tomorrow for our Monday evening podcast that

1:25:19 Speaker 1: you'll be able to listen to on Tuesday or Monday night.

1:25:23 Speaker 5: Hang out just a second with us, ty, yeah, as

1:25:26 Speaker 5: we roll these US credits because everyone always bums off

1:25:29 Speaker 5: away from us.

1:25:30 Speaker 2: No, I'm a stream yard guy, so I know perfect.

1:25:35 Speaker 1: Yeah, cheers, guys. We will see you tomorrow because and.

1:25:39 Speaker 2: You can find by the way, just shameless plug.

1:25:43 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it absolutely go.

1:25:45 Speaker 2: Uh YouTube Total Disclosure and then on any podcast platform

1:25:50 Speaker 2: total just search Total Disclosure look for the red UFO,

1:25:54 Speaker 2: and you're in the right place. Our latest episode is

1:25:57 Speaker 2: up right now with Robert Alice. He was the nuclear

1:26:03 Speaker 2: so he had his hand on the nuclear uh key

1:26:08 Speaker 2: when a UFO shut down ten nukes at Melstrom Air

1:26:12 Speaker 2: Force Base.

1:26:14 Speaker 1: All right, thank you guys, No, thank you, buddy. Cheers guys,

1:26:19 Speaker 1: We'll see you, see you soon. Sh