REVAMPED_ 29 Palms UFO Sighting by US Marines Flares or Something Otherworldly

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1:38 Speaker 2: going right now tonight doing something a little bit, a

1:42 Speaker 2: little bit different. This is a case that I, I

1:46 Speaker 2: guess I kind of glanced not I wouldn't say glanced

1:51 Speaker 2: over it. I definitely listen to Weaponized, I think like everybody,

1:57 Speaker 2: I listen to every episode of of of Weaponized, and

2:03 Speaker 2: I do remember this case and it it was solid,

2:08 Speaker 2: but I just for some reason I just didn't check

2:11 Speaker 2: into it too much. However, tonight we have Arthur Preston,

2:17 Speaker 2: who has been really really deep diving into this and

2:22 Speaker 2: once to let people know that it's it. It wasn't

2:24 Speaker 2: just you know, a routine, you know, a night and

2:30 Speaker 2: something spectacular was seene.

2:33 Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you, ty.

2:34 Speaker 4: And Yeah.

2:35 Speaker 3: So a little bit of background on myself. Kind of

2:39 Speaker 3: got into ufology around two thousand and six or so

2:42 Speaker 3: out of high school. It's been a few few years,

2:46 Speaker 3: you know, going to different you know conferences, you know,

2:50 Speaker 3: educating myself on the field. Then I kind of put

2:53 Speaker 3: all that on the back burner and went to college

2:56 Speaker 3: and got a degree in biology and then went on

3:00 Speaker 3: in public health to focus on toxicology and drinking water treatment.

3:04 Speaker 3: Oh okay, and then I guess last year when things

3:08 Speaker 3: started popping off with you know, all the big big

3:11 Speaker 3: news and upology, I decided I wanted to get back

3:14 Speaker 3: into it and kind of apply my research skills and

3:18 Speaker 3: see where it takes me. So that's that's why I'm here.

3:22 Speaker 2: That's awesome, man. And I think everyone, like you know,

3:26 Speaker 2: everybody gets to ufology in a different way. For me,

3:30 Speaker 2: I think, you know, we all have our story right

3:34 Speaker 2: that like weaves us back into the pictures a while,

3:38 Speaker 2: and that in itself is a whole show, right you know,

3:44 Speaker 2: like whether that's predetermined, you know, like we all suppose,

3:47 Speaker 2: you know, I don't know. There's definitely something different about

3:51 Speaker 2: the people in this community, and I love that about it.

3:55 Speaker 2: It's it's got that uniqueness to it. But listen, twenty

4:00 Speaker 2: nine Palms, it's a it's a military base. I actually

4:05 Speaker 2: have very very deep connections to the base, which is

4:11 Speaker 2: now kind of back on it. I'm wondering why I

4:14 Speaker 2: didn't look in this further or care about it more,

4:18 Speaker 2: because not only did I almost live in Oceanside with

4:23 Speaker 2: my cousin who was on going to the base commuting

4:29 Speaker 2: back and forth between multiple bases at the time. Actually,

4:33 Speaker 2: so and I've had best friends other family members who

4:38 Speaker 2: have been stationed at that base. So like, I have

4:41 Speaker 2: a long history with family members in that base. So

4:44 Speaker 2: I ran a couple of questions by them today.

4:46 Speaker 3: And yeah, yeah, yeah, and he said it was you know,

4:52 Speaker 3: so I want to talk about a couple of the

4:54 Speaker 3: different things.

4:55 Speaker 2: Just banter with me for a few before we get

4:57 Speaker 2: into your presentation. Sure, Now, this case, obviously, like just

5:02 Speaker 2: even just from the picture alone, it looks like, uh

5:07 Speaker 2: similar to like the phoenix lights the formation at least

5:11 Speaker 2: you know, v shaped set set of lights, set of

5:16 Speaker 2: orbs that look like a part of a larger craft

5:20 Speaker 2: potentially and it doesn't make noise. Uh so is it

5:26 Speaker 2: one of our own because you know, people have talked

5:30 Speaker 2: about the t R three v Astra, uh you know,

5:33 Speaker 2: unlocked in skunk works. You know, I just want to

5:37 Speaker 2: get your gauge, like, do you think this was potentially us?

5:44 Speaker 3: Well, you know what they say, it's it's almost impossible

5:46 Speaker 3: to differentiate between you know, our advanced anti gravity technology

5:51 Speaker 3: and extraterrestrial sense. So the only reason I kind of

5:55 Speaker 3: point towards the ET for this case is because of

5:59 Speaker 3: the map of response. You know, after the event happened,

6:03 Speaker 3: it seemed to be something they weren't prepared for. So

6:08 Speaker 3: to me, it just doesn't track with it being you know,

6:10 Speaker 3: classified military technology, because you think they would do that

6:15 Speaker 3: somewhere where it's a little a little more secluded, you know.

6:19 Speaker 2: Uh yeah. And and and when I did ask multiple

6:22 Speaker 2: of my family members who you know, because once a marine,

6:27 Speaker 2: always a marine, so uh, you know, I asked them

6:31 Speaker 2: and they were they essentially said that if there were

6:36 Speaker 2: training exercise that were happening and they were dropping flares,

6:41 Speaker 2: especially over that area, that they would have known about

6:45 Speaker 2: it in advance. So this is something that people would

6:47 Speaker 2: have been privy to so uh and and it would

6:52 Speaker 2: have been something that wouldn't have bought them off guard.

6:58 Speaker 2: And then what really intrigues me is how long they sustained.

7:04 Speaker 2: How long they the people, the witnesses say these lights

7:08 Speaker 2: stayed in the air.

7:10 Speaker 3: Yeah, a really long time. And I think that's why

7:14 Speaker 3: everyone's coming out of there, you know, bunks and everyone's

7:16 Speaker 3: trying to figure out what the hell was going on.

7:19 Speaker 3: It wasn't easily identifiable by the witnesses on the ground.

7:22 Speaker 3: And these are trained people.

7:25 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would, I would if I were to say,

7:28 Speaker 2: I would say that, you know, anyone who was in

7:31 Speaker 2: the military. Uh, they just have that added credibility. You know,

7:36 Speaker 2: they've gone through rigorous training, especially depending on their job title.

7:41 Speaker 2: Uh So it depends. But these Marines, they when I

7:46 Speaker 2: I now that I go back and I listened to

7:48 Speaker 2: their testimony again, just the the the determination in their voice,

7:56 Speaker 2: the the absoluteness of it of them knowing that this

8:02 Speaker 2: was not a drill or or or flares really speaks volumes.

8:09 Speaker 3: I agree, and I think the testimony is probably the

8:12 Speaker 3: strongest evidence evidence is for like persuasion, Like you can

8:17 Speaker 3: hear in the tone of their voices. I mean there,

8:20 Speaker 3: I just think that they're highly credible sounding to me,

8:24 Speaker 3: they weren't. You know, a lot of people are thrown

8:26 Speaker 3: around the idea that they were joking around or you know,

8:29 Speaker 3: you know, playing a prank that doesn't really track with

8:33 Speaker 3: me with whatever, when I.

8:34 Speaker 2: Was like, yeah, playing a prank doesn't see because no one,

8:38 Speaker 2: no one. I'm sorry to say that, but nobody wants

8:41 Speaker 2: to be the UFO person, especially in the you know,

8:45 Speaker 2: in the military. And this is a multiple Now, maybe

8:50 Speaker 2: I could see, you know, like if this was a

8:53 Speaker 2: group of like fifty kids, like like you know, twenty

8:58 Speaker 2: year olds, Uh, that would be a different story. But uh,

9:03 Speaker 2: a group of trained, uh trained trained military members, uh,

9:09 Speaker 2: with ages ranging. I just don't see something like a

9:12 Speaker 2: hoax being developed like that. So let's yeah, let's start

9:17 Speaker 2: by So let's start by how did you how did

9:22 Speaker 2: you start assessing this case? How did you how did

9:27 Speaker 2: you bring this case from start to where it is?

9:31 Speaker 5: Now?

9:33 Speaker 2: We you know, walk us through what you've learned through

9:37 Speaker 2: uh the picture, you know, or uh going back through it.

9:42 Speaker 2: So talk to me about why I should uh you know,

9:45 Speaker 2: pay attention as a general general uh person.

9:49 Speaker 3: Yeah, So and you followed you. We have a lot

9:51 Speaker 3: of different types of cases. You know, we have like

9:53 Speaker 3: a single witness cases, we have experiencers, and then we

9:57 Speaker 3: have you know, larger cases that have multiple witnesses and

10:01 Speaker 3: multiple evidences associated with it. So this is a case

10:06 Speaker 3: that has a lot of evidence associated with it because

10:08 Speaker 3: we have five on the record US military witnesses, we

10:13 Speaker 3: have multiple videos, we have multiple low light photos, and

10:18 Speaker 3: then we have a whole array of additional data that

10:21 Speaker 3: came through Foier requests which we can analyze and compared

10:24 Speaker 3: to the original videos, which is a lot of the

10:27 Speaker 3: work that I've done. So I would consider there's a

10:30 Speaker 3: high quality case in that sense that there's so much

10:33 Speaker 3: evidence associated with it. But I think it just got

10:36 Speaker 3: quote unquote debunked so fast, like immediately after it came out,

10:42 Speaker 3: within twenty four hours, we had official statements coming out

10:45 Speaker 3: of Errow.

10:47 Speaker 2: Do you think that I'm sorry, I forgot it wasn't

10:51 Speaker 2: hardline plugged, so I'm just plugging it.

10:57 Speaker 3: No no problem.

11:01 Speaker 2: My computer was was given me like a weird connection

11:05 Speaker 2: and it was flashing. So sorry about that, folks. Okay,

11:10 Speaker 2: so I but this immediately is like you said, it was,

11:16 Speaker 2: it seemed like the baby was thrown out with the

11:18 Speaker 2: bathwater almost immediately upon the military's explanation, John, I'm not

11:24 Speaker 2: gonna say, John Greenwald, he's been on the show's.

11:28 Speaker 3: Susan go He came out of Susan go.

11:32 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, so I went back. I guess. So, I

11:38 Speaker 2: guess I was talking about how it proliferated through the community.

11:42 Speaker 2: But so talk to me about what Susan Goe said

11:45 Speaker 2: about it at first? What was the official response.

11:49 Speaker 3: And the official response from Susan go which and she

11:54 Speaker 3: emailed to Greenwald within twenty four hours, was that there

11:59 Speaker 3: was no reports of the UAP that night and there

12:03 Speaker 3: would Yeah, I have it, It's in my slides.

12:07 Speaker 2: Okay, how do I get that up?

12:09 Speaker 3: I could share my screen.

12:11 Speaker 2: Yeah, let's bring up that. Let's bring up that because

12:14 Speaker 2: I want to see what the what Susan goes because

12:17 Speaker 2: Susan often comes up, especially lately when it comes to

12:23 Speaker 2: the UFO topic, and she seems like a person who

12:27 Speaker 2: is not necessarily someone who's trusts that. It seems a

12:33 Speaker 2: consensus is the community doesn't trust her. I'm speaking from

12:36 Speaker 2: a neutral standpoint. I neither say I won't tell you

12:41 Speaker 2: what my belief is on her, but the community doesn't

12:45 Speaker 2: seem to believe her at all.

12:47 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think this is an interesting statement if

12:50 Speaker 3: we actually take time to dissect it a little bit.

12:53 Speaker 3: So I think the first important note is that was

12:57 Speaker 3: given to him the same day. So the premier was

13:00 Speaker 3: on May twenty third, and the statement from Susan Go

13:03 Speaker 3: came out May twenty third as well. So that that's

13:06 Speaker 3: a really really fast response.

13:10 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know that's that. That's actually like really weird.

13:17 Speaker 2: I never actually put that together. So, by the way,

13:22 Speaker 2: if anyone knows government, they know it's the it's not

13:27 Speaker 2: it's anything but quick. So that I didn't realize it

13:32 Speaker 2: was that quick. Huh. So okay, So basically it reads

13:37 Speaker 2: so this is a John Greenwald Junior tweet for anyone

13:40 Speaker 2: who's listening in the future, because I'm gonna put on

13:42 Speaker 2: the audio platforms as well, although I do recommend watching it, uh,

13:47 Speaker 2: because we are he has Arthur has put a presentation together.

13:53 Speaker 2: So this is a tweet from John Greywall Junior, who

13:56 Speaker 2: is owner of the Black Vault dot com, saying the

14:00 Speaker 2: Pentagon has responded to the claims about the alleged UAP

14:04 Speaker 2: cited over twenty nine POMS. I have requests into the

14:09 Speaker 2: Marines for further comment, but for now, and then it

14:13 Speaker 2: goes into quotes. I can't confirm that there were military

14:17 Speaker 2: aviation assets in the twenty nine Palms, California airspace and

14:21 Speaker 2: a weapons and Tactics instructor course was being conducted at

14:25 Speaker 2: the time. There is no record of communication with the

14:29 Speaker 2: Base Range Control concerning a UAP siding, nor of the

14:34 Speaker 2: allocation of any base resource into investigate a UAP siding.

14:39 Speaker 2: AERO does not have a record of this alleged event

14:42 Speaker 2: and cannot verify the authenticity of this report. Dot dot

14:47 Speaker 2: Susan Go from the Department of Defense, at least as

14:50 Speaker 2: the spokesperson. Listen, when now, when did the actual event

14:59 Speaker 2: take place?

15:00 Speaker 3: Yes, it happened April twentieth, Let's see, I can find

15:07 Speaker 3: it here two years prior.

15:10 Speaker 4: So.

15:12 Speaker 2: April up, so roughly twenty twenty two.

15:17 Speaker 3: Yeah, well actually, yeah, I just need to exit out

15:22 Speaker 3: of here. The exact day. Let's see, it was April twentieth,

15:26 Speaker 3: twenty twenty one.

15:28 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, actually I always forget the chat. Yeah April,

15:35 Speaker 2: thank you. So okay, so they had a good amount

15:41 Speaker 2: of time, so this was never reported.

15:47 Speaker 3: Well, Corbel, he got the witnesses came to him two

15:53 Speaker 3: days after the event. So they reached out to Corbel

15:58 Speaker 3: two days after the event, and he interviewed at least

16:00 Speaker 3: two of the witnesses two days after the event.

16:04 Speaker 2: Meaning April twenty second, twenty twenty one. Now this is

16:10 Speaker 2: this is crucial because the topic at the time is

16:16 Speaker 2: almost at a fever pinch, right, because the twenty seventeen

16:21 Speaker 2: article comes out right even though it is riddled with error,

16:25 Speaker 2: and it was at a tip that got the money.

16:29 Speaker 2: It was alsoppy, it was big low and then a

16:33 Speaker 2: tip was a moniker used in the declassified setting. And

16:37 Speaker 2: it seems that luel Zondo may have taken over a

16:42 Speaker 2: program that didn't have any money. It wasn't there was

16:44 Speaker 2: no money allocated to it at least or did run

16:47 Speaker 2: out by then. But that's neither here nor there. But

16:53 Speaker 2: the subject was coming to a fever pitch. In twenty twenty,

16:56 Speaker 2: the they did admit that the videos are authentic, the

17:03 Speaker 2: three videos, the gimbal to Go Fast and the thick

17:08 Speaker 2: CAC So at this time it's still pretty stigmatized to

17:14 Speaker 2: report in the military. In twenty twenty and twenty twenty one.

17:20 Speaker 2: The pandemic is happening. People are very very distant, and

17:27 Speaker 2: it's a very weird time in the world. So I

17:31 Speaker 2: can understand at least why this went so long or

17:37 Speaker 2: maybe wasn't reported right away.

17:41 Speaker 3: Well, I'm my basic thesis is that there was a

17:45 Speaker 3: cover up associated with this, So I really yeah, yeah,

17:49 Speaker 3: I definitely think there was a major cover up associated

17:51 Speaker 3: with this, just because I'm going back to the tweet

17:57 Speaker 3: from Susan go Oh. I'll go back to that if

18:03 Speaker 3: you look at if you read it carefully, So this

18:06 Speaker 3: can so get the time right. So Courbel publishes a

18:11 Speaker 3: podcast and within twenty four hours you can see she's

18:14 Speaker 3: alleging that she reached out to the twenty nine Palms

18:18 Speaker 3: Air Force or the twenty nine Palms Marine Base and

18:21 Speaker 3: found out that there was nothing happening on that range

18:24 Speaker 3: that night, So there was no record of communication with

18:27 Speaker 3: the base Range Control concerning UAP. So that means that

18:30 Speaker 3: she had to engage with the communication with the twenty

18:33 Speaker 3: nine Palms base and then get a response from twenty

18:36 Speaker 3: nine Palms. That kind of thing does happen within it.

18:39 Speaker 2: It doesn't happen within twenty four hours. Listen I can.

18:43 Speaker 2: I can affirm that there's absolutely no way that within

18:53 Speaker 2: twenty four hours she was able to do that turnaround.

18:58 Speaker 2: So I wouldn't. I don't know if that is grounds

19:03 Speaker 2: to say that there's a cover up. I would just

19:07 Speaker 2: say that there was grounds for lack of just they

19:13 Speaker 2: just didn't want to deal with it.

19:16 Speaker 3: Yeah, well it would. It would definitely think it was.

19:18 Speaker 2: I would need suggestive.

19:20 Speaker 3: It's suggestive of a possible cover up to me, at

19:22 Speaker 3: least to me, it sounds like she had was prepared

19:29 Speaker 3: for responding. So I guess I'll lay out my basic

19:33 Speaker 3: like narrative of what I think happened, and then I'll

19:36 Speaker 3: go through the evidence. So I think there was a

19:39 Speaker 3: major sighting that night. I think there was at least

19:43 Speaker 3: there was at least fifty people who saw it, But

19:45 Speaker 3: we know that there was multiple locations on the base

19:48 Speaker 3: where people were filming it. So I would put the

19:50 Speaker 3: number of people who witnessed it upwards of three hundred.

19:53 Speaker 3: That's just an estimate. We know at least fifty, but

19:56 Speaker 3: I would say in the hundreds. And it lasted, you know,

19:59 Speaker 3: thirty five minutes. It was freaking people out even so much.

20:04 Speaker 2: Yeah, go ahead, So in my research that I've done,

20:08 Speaker 2: even flares that are suspended even so, even if they're

20:13 Speaker 2: suspended by like parachutes, they're they're you know, they kind

20:18 Speaker 2: of like act like a hot air balloon. But even

20:20 Speaker 2: those ones don't fly for more than what I saw,

20:26 Speaker 2: Like like, they don't stay lit and burned for any

20:30 Speaker 2: longer than ten to twenty minutes. Like that was the

20:34 Speaker 2: max I could I could find.

20:38 Speaker 3: I found that they usually go from between three and

20:41 Speaker 3: seven minutes. That's a typical range for a parachute flare.

20:47 Speaker 3: It seems like you, like, I would be curious to

20:48 Speaker 3: see that because that seems like.

20:50 Speaker 2: Well I was, I was, I was, I was being

20:53 Speaker 2: very generous because from what I but the longest I

20:56 Speaker 2: really did see was and seconds. But I would say

21:02 Speaker 2: that DARPA has some crazy ass technology somewhere that could

21:06 Speaker 2: probably suspend and have a flare of that burns a

21:09 Speaker 2: little longer. But you know, I guarantee that they have

21:14 Speaker 2: some some crazy stuff, you know, some crazy technology, uh

21:19 Speaker 2: that that is on a shelf somewhere. So I would

21:23 Speaker 2: say that the longest flare would would because you wouldn't

21:26 Speaker 2: need it for for any longer than that. You wouldn't

21:29 Speaker 2: need it to burn any longer than that.

21:32 Speaker 3: And yeah, and if you're talking about some other technology

21:35 Speaker 3: other than a parachute with something heavy hanging off of it,

21:39 Speaker 3: and you're you're you're talking about some sort of you know,

21:41 Speaker 3: novel unknown technology. Basically, flares are pretty simple. They've been

21:45 Speaker 3: doing the same thing for yeah, probably one hundred years.

21:48 Speaker 2: There's not Yeah, they're not a complicated tool. So they

21:51 Speaker 2: sometimes they deploy them in a way that will like

21:55 Speaker 2: throw like enemy rocket fire off and like that. You know,

22:01 Speaker 2: it's an interesting it's cool, but again, these things are

22:06 Speaker 2: they're a very simple technology. They don't sustain flight, especially

22:12 Speaker 2: in a direct line like that. They're way more chaotic

22:17 Speaker 2: in the way that they look when they come down.

22:21 Speaker 2: The military tried to reproduce this multiple times to the

22:25 Speaker 2: people in Phoenix when the event happened in ninety seven,

22:29 Speaker 2: and they every single time they failed.

22:32 Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's an important comparison the Phoenix Lights to

22:35 Speaker 3: this case, because according to my research, the things likes

22:39 Speaker 3: there was actually this V shaped craft that like flew

22:43 Speaker 3: over that large area and people are like looking up

22:46 Speaker 3: at it. The governor of the state actually witnessed it,

22:50 Speaker 3: and then in the in the immediate response to that.

22:54 Speaker 3: The theory is that they went out and launched some

22:56 Speaker 3: flares ye distraction to get everyone saying, oh, look there's

23:01 Speaker 3: some flares. So now everything that everyone saw that night

23:05 Speaker 3: was flares.

23:06 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was it was almost them like as as

23:09 Speaker 2: it was a counter intel, like.

23:11 Speaker 3: It was a cover up operation.

23:12 Speaker 2: Yeah. And and again, see that is evidence for now

23:17 Speaker 2: if you could prove to me that that they did that,

23:21 Speaker 2: if if they went up and launched flairs after so

23:25 Speaker 2: that's when I would say, Okay, maybe you got something

23:29 Speaker 2: uh with with some sort of uh uh uh cover

23:34 Speaker 2: up happening. But as of right now, I'm gonna stick

23:36 Speaker 2: with incompetence.

23:39 Speaker 3: Okay, well, why don't we go through kind of yeah,

23:41 Speaker 3: some of the videos and kind of everyone kind of

23:44 Speaker 3: educated on.

23:44 Speaker 2: This, Yeah, do you have do you have them in

23:47 Speaker 2: your presentation?

23:49 Speaker 3: They're not embedded into the slides, so I would have

23:52 Speaker 3: to bring it up through Twitter, which I can do.

24:03 Speaker 2: Yeah. So I and and it's one thing for and

24:08 Speaker 2: I like, like I said, I think a very good

24:10 Speaker 2: comparison case to to this, this is the Phoenix Lights.

24:15 Speaker 2: It's it's almost like it was a daytime version of

24:19 Speaker 2: of the Phoenix lights. Uh, it's it's it's missing one

24:24 Speaker 2: point of Uh. Well, I think Phoenix lights had six lights,

24:31 Speaker 2: six orbs rather than this one. This is a picture

24:34 Speaker 2: of it I have saved. So this is what I have.

24:38 Speaker 2: This is all I have, uh, at least handy. I

24:41 Speaker 2: have your thread as well.

24:43 Speaker 3: Okay, so we can kind of bring up. This is

24:46 Speaker 3: video one, all right?

24:49 Speaker 2: One second? Oh wait a second, this is a video?

24:59 Speaker 6: All right?

24:59 Speaker 3: God, yeah, I'll play it. Let's see.

25:05 Speaker 6: Here we are.

25:14 Speaker 7: What it is.

25:24 Speaker 3: Okay. So there's a total of five videos, the one

25:35 Speaker 3: video two. Here we go.

25:37 Speaker 4: Oh, those are not a limb rounds.

25:40 Speaker 2: Fall, see, so they're saying it in the video.

25:44 Speaker 4: And nobody shoots in a five gun section.

25:49 Speaker 7: No, you can see like an outline or something.

25:52 Speaker 3: So yeah, that's that's a question.

25:54 Speaker 2: You pause real quick.

25:55 Speaker 3: I paused it, all right.

25:57 Speaker 2: So I just want to go on the record here.

26:00 Speaker 2: And we all know this. We all, every single person

26:06 Speaker 2: in the world, at least that has a smartphone, knows

26:11 Speaker 2: that when you point your smartphone at something, even in

26:15 Speaker 2: the night sky, your eyes are so much better at

26:20 Speaker 2: seeing what the object is versus what we're seeing here.

26:24 Speaker 2: We've all had this problem, like even if you go

26:27 Speaker 2: to take a picture of the moon, you know, it

26:29 Speaker 2: comes out as a as a it looks like a

26:32 Speaker 2: Chris Bloedsoe orb floating through the picture, you know, in

26:36 Speaker 2: the in the picture, even with the iPhone fifteen that

26:39 Speaker 2: the Samsung Galaxy, I mean, that's all AI. It enhances

26:44 Speaker 2: the picture, so you're not getting the actual picture of

26:47 Speaker 2: the moon, so that they're seeing structure to this and

26:53 Speaker 2: they're they're literally stating it at the time.

26:57 Speaker 3: Yeah, say an outline, he says, I can see an outline.

27:01 Speaker 2: Yeah, so there, I mean, this thing does I wonder

27:04 Speaker 2: what they estimate that, how what the altitude of this

27:08 Speaker 2: thing was?

27:10 Speaker 3: Well, if they did, you know, that's a good question

27:13 Speaker 3: because I don't think Jeremy ever asked the witnesses how

27:15 Speaker 3: high up it was or.

27:17 Speaker 2: That would be like my third question, or how.

27:20 Speaker 3: Far, but you know it would be you know, an estimate.

27:24 Speaker 3: But yeah, I don't think we know that.

27:27 Speaker 2: Is this something like that you can see with our eyes,

27:29 Speaker 2: like because there are certain things in the night sky

27:32 Speaker 2: that if they're low enough, you know, you can get

27:35 Speaker 2: you see some detail of them. Right, you know, we're

27:38 Speaker 2: we have very good sight, you know, as as humans.

27:41 Speaker 2: Not great, not the best, but uh like we can make,

27:45 Speaker 2: uh make make things out in the night sky if

27:49 Speaker 2: it's especially in an area out there like that where

27:54 Speaker 2: the night sky is a little bit more open.

27:57 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that it was quite close. Just for

27:59 Speaker 3: my now aalyasis that I've done, I think it was

28:01 Speaker 3: quite close to the base. And the reason I say

28:04 Speaker 3: that is because from different angles from video, the shape

28:09 Speaker 3: of the craft changes. So if it was really far away,

28:14 Speaker 3: it wouldn't change in configuration. If you moved, you know,

28:17 Speaker 3: two hundred yards to the left, it would still have

28:20 Speaker 3: the same shape. But in the videos that I'll go through,

28:23 Speaker 3: you'll actually be able to see that the shape changes

28:26 Speaker 3: from different locations, meaning it was probably pretty close.

28:33 Speaker 2: All right, you can continue it.

28:34 Speaker 3: Okay, we'll go through all these videos. This is a

28:36 Speaker 3: video tape.

28:46 Speaker 7: This is weird. We got UFOs outside.

28:52 Speaker 5: Everyone's out here.

28:55 Speaker 2: They're saying everybody's out here.

28:57 Speaker 4: Those are not allom round roun.

29:00 Speaker 2: So okay, I just want to again reiterate that they're

29:05 Speaker 2: literally in the video saying that they're not a loom arounds,

29:10 Speaker 2: which are the flares that would drop. He's literally saying

29:15 Speaker 2: they can't be they would never shoot him in that

29:17 Speaker 2: five motion that that that formation, and they would be falling.

29:23 Speaker 2: They wouldn't be maintaining at their elevation.

29:26 Speaker 3: Exactly, and they would fall pretty.

29:29 Speaker 2: Fast, you know, pretty pretty quickly.

29:31 Speaker 3: And you know, I think that's the upper limit that

29:34 Speaker 3: I've seen from typical flares. But I mean, of course

29:37 Speaker 3: there might be some weird ones that I haven't learned about,

29:41 Speaker 3: but that's the general. You know, three to seven minutes

29:43 Speaker 3: for a flare, and it falls pretty fast, and you

29:47 Speaker 3: know what you're you know, I'm sure they know what

29:49 Speaker 3: they're seeing. Okay, continue video three.

29:59 Speaker 2: Crazy see what others see.

30:07 Speaker 6: In my basic.

30:17 Speaker 4: Oh, it's not showing up in my camera.

30:24 Speaker 3: That was kind of interesting where he said, now it's

30:26 Speaker 3: not showing up in my camera, and the other guy said, yeah,

30:30 Speaker 3: the same.

30:31 Speaker 2: I don't know I heard.

30:33 Speaker 3: I don't know if that means that the auto focus

30:36 Speaker 3: just went out or it actually went It.

30:38 Speaker 2: Could have passed, So there's I guess. I would say,

30:45 Speaker 2: my best guess is is either it went behind something

30:49 Speaker 2: or like a cloud, or like you said, it cloaked

30:53 Speaker 2: or you know, did one of its dimensional things that

30:57 Speaker 2: UFOs seemed to be able to do.

30:58 Speaker 3: I don't know, I I think it might have been

31:01 Speaker 3: a function of the auto focus, But the question is

31:04 Speaker 3: what caused the auto focus to try to focus on

31:07 Speaker 3: something closer? So I will get to this later. But

31:11 Speaker 3: there are also these flashes that are happening around the

31:14 Speaker 3: five light formation, so maybe it was one of those

31:17 Speaker 3: flat unidentified flashes that the auto focus to go out.

31:22 Speaker 3: Oh okay, this is number four.

31:30 Speaker 4: I told you nothing.

31:35 Speaker 2: Wait, he's talking about research.

31:39 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a UFO nerd like us.

31:42 Speaker 2: Whoa whoa, whoa, whoa whoa. You heard that? Yeah, all

31:46 Speaker 2: this research wasn't for nothing.

31:49 Speaker 4: Yeah.

31:50 Speaker 3: I think he's talking about how he talks to his

31:51 Speaker 3: friends about UFOs and researchers UFOs, and it's kind of

31:55 Speaker 3: saying like, look everyone, it's real. It wasn't wasted time.

32:00 Speaker 2: Yeah, Or maybe it's yeah, yeah, I don't know, dude,

32:06 Speaker 2: Maybe he could be I don't know. I don't know.

32:10 Speaker 2: I want to I guess I'm going with my uh

32:14 Speaker 2: X files. That thing here is. I want to believe

32:17 Speaker 2: there's something more sinister to that, but it's probably just

32:22 Speaker 2: he's a he's a uphone nerd like us.

32:25 Speaker 6: Yeah.

32:25 Speaker 2: I think so that's probably what that is real. That

32:33 Speaker 2: thing is so yes, yes, it's and this thing is

32:37 Speaker 2: maintaining its coarse altitude and it is shimmering. My god.

32:51 Speaker 2: So it's kind of like phasing in and out.

32:54 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's like the auto focus. Oh okay,

32:58 Speaker 3: it's going in and out like that. Okay, let's see

33:03 Speaker 3: number five and then and then near the end of

33:09 Speaker 3: the event. An important thing is they launched two flares

33:14 Speaker 3: in response and seemingly in response to the five light formation.

33:20 Speaker 3: So in this last two videos you'll see these two

33:24 Speaker 3: bright orbs above a much dimmer five light formation, and

33:29 Speaker 3: those two bright orbs, like these two bright things right here,

33:32 Speaker 3: those are actually flares that were apparently launched in response

33:37 Speaker 3: to this, you know, formation to eliminate it.

33:41 Speaker 2: Yeah, so they did launch flares.

33:44 Speaker 3: They absolutely did launch, but it.

33:47 Speaker 2: Was it wasn't in. So they're they're they're they're they're

33:52 Speaker 2: just leaving some context out. That's all, susan, that's all

33:57 Speaker 2: they're doing. That's the cover up. They're just leaving the

34:01 Speaker 2: They're like, yeah, we launched flares, but we don't know

34:05 Speaker 2: what you're talking about. We just launched flares.

34:09 Speaker 3: Yeah, and well they're trying to make it sound like

34:11 Speaker 3: it's all flares. Yeah, according to the narrative of the witnesses,

34:15 Speaker 3: they were seeing this unidentified you know, formation, and then

34:20 Speaker 3: near the end of the time that was visible, two

34:24 Speaker 3: mortar launch flares were launched from their camps. That's wild,

34:27 Speaker 3: Seemingly according to them, it was in response to this

34:31 Speaker 3: what they called it a craft.

34:33 Speaker 2: So I try to eliminate it. What you're telling me

34:36 Speaker 2: is that they they must have been pickancing up on radar. Then, oh, yeah,

34:44 Speaker 2: they they must have been like, this is an incursion,

34:48 Speaker 2: because what when I did ask my cousin about the

34:52 Speaker 2: safety standards of the base, Uh, there is strict no

34:56 Speaker 2: fly zones over those bases unless like training operations are underway.

35:03 Speaker 2: So if this credit, if they're I'm wondering why, if

35:09 Speaker 2: this is a genuine UFO, why they didn't shoot the

35:12 Speaker 2: thing down?

35:15 Speaker 3: Well, typically rules of engagement is you want to know

35:18 Speaker 3: your target before you shoot it. And so if that's

35:21 Speaker 3: the whole thing with UFO is if you can't get

35:24 Speaker 3: a positive ID on your target, you do not fire

35:26 Speaker 3: because you're you're you're risking shooting your friendlies that way.

35:30 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, yeah, we know, we we do know, and

35:33 Speaker 2: and and the Soviet Union did put out that order

35:36 Speaker 2: back in the day that said because they did they

35:39 Speaker 2: were firing upon UFOs, And then they put out after

35:45 Speaker 2: a ton of accidents, they put out a memo basically

35:47 Speaker 2: saying these things have a very high rate of like

35:52 Speaker 2: uh capacity of retaliate retaliation. So basically saying like if

35:58 Speaker 2: you if you mess with that, unfortunately they mess back harder,

36:04 Speaker 2: you know. Yeah, so don't don't do it. Just observe.

36:10 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's probably the best move unless you're you really know,

36:12 Speaker 3: what I would do is illuminate them. Yep. Watch the

36:18 Speaker 3: video number five and this is near the end of

36:20 Speaker 3: the event after they launched the two flares, but if

36:23 Speaker 3: you look closely, you'll you'll also see the five light formation.

36:29 Speaker 4: Please tell me this at the end of the world, see.

36:41 Speaker 3: All you can kind of see it now.

36:44 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so they're they're in there for anyone who

36:49 Speaker 2: does Okay, look at the end of Weaponized go a

36:53 Speaker 2: little bit like halfway to the to the flares, and

36:57 Speaker 2: you can kind of see them right there. So they're

37:00 Speaker 2: in the distance and it seems they've they've launched these

37:04 Speaker 2: flares and obviously that's what's dimming them for our camera man.

37:11 Speaker 2: But unfortunately but they are trying to get a better

37:17 Speaker 2: look at this thing. Yep, that's what's happening.

37:35 Speaker 3: Okay.

37:37 Speaker 2: I wonder why the base didn't go on alert or anything.

37:40 Speaker 3: Well, according to the witnesses, there was a massive response

37:45 Speaker 3: in the immediate aftermath of the sighting where they had,

37:48 Speaker 3: you know, a bunch of high speed, low flying helicopters

37:51 Speaker 3: Zippen over Camp Wilson, which is not normal, and there

37:54 Speaker 3: was a convoy of trucks and there is a video

37:57 Speaker 3: of that too. There's one last video and this video

38:00 Speaker 3: came from Reddit, so this actually came out after This

38:04 Speaker 3: is separate. This came out after Corbell published his podcast.

38:09 Speaker 3: This is a different angle. But in this one you

38:12 Speaker 3: can also see the two flares right and then the

38:15 Speaker 3: five light formation below it.

38:17 Speaker 2: Yeah, just like I was saying, so you could see

38:20 Speaker 2: so it's like halfway up the screen and they so

38:25 Speaker 2: it's now the only thing I'm having a hard time

38:29 Speaker 2: with is it seemed closer earlier. But the way the

38:35 Speaker 2: v shape is, you think it would be coming over

38:39 Speaker 2: their heads, but it seems like it's going away from them.

38:43 Speaker 3: That's what they said. If that audio in that last

38:46 Speaker 3: video when witness said that it seemed like it was

38:48 Speaker 3: going further away, so I think they launched the flares

38:52 Speaker 3: and maybe it kind of backed away. Okay, the flares.

38:58 Speaker 3: Maybe that's just one night. And then they also said

39:01 Speaker 3: the witnesses said it just disappeared, So that's cloaking. So

39:06 Speaker 3: that's that's one of the five observables. Ah yeah, yeah yeah,

39:11 Speaker 3: So let's play this last one and we can talk more. Heo.

39:19 Speaker 4: I think they know we're looking at them.

39:20 Speaker 3: You'll also see flashing.

39:26 Speaker 2: The cowpany do you hear how many people?

39:31 Speaker 3: Pardon?

39:32 Speaker 2: Do you hear? How many people are screaming? Yeah, like

39:36 Speaker 2: scream like like like not in like a scared way,

39:39 Speaker 2: because like I bet some of them were a little

39:43 Speaker 2: bit actually scared because they have no idea what's really

39:46 Speaker 2: going on. But it seems like there's a lot of people.

39:50 Speaker 2: So up to how many witnesses I heard around fifty?

39:56 Speaker 3: Well that's according to one of the witnesses who is

40:00 Speaker 3: at one location. He said there was at least fifty

40:04 Speaker 3: people in the immediate area where he was.

40:07 Speaker 2: Okay, so I got that's where I got that number. Yeah, fifty,

40:12 Speaker 2: at least fifty, but but but probably somewhere upwards of

40:17 Speaker 2: I would say that. My cousin told me that if

40:20 Speaker 2: it was fully if it was if it was if

40:25 Speaker 2: that area was full, which it most likely was at

40:29 Speaker 2: the time from the sounds of these videos, that you

40:33 Speaker 2: would be looking at three four maybe five hundred.

40:38 Speaker 4: Yeah.

40:38 Speaker 3: I could easily see that, especially considering there were different

40:41 Speaker 3: locations quite quite a ways away from each other. Yeah,

40:45 Speaker 3: like hundreds of yards away from each other very much

40:48 Speaker 3: that were filming.

40:50 Speaker 2: Yeah, so he said, because Camp Willson or I'd have

40:54 Speaker 2: to bring the text back up. But but basically what

40:58 Speaker 2: he said was that at.

41:03 Speaker 3: Let me bring it.

41:06 Speaker 2: So Camp Wilson, this is the one that they're at

41:14 Speaker 2: right there in that location, he said, he knows exactly

41:17 Speaker 2: where that location is. That's Camp Wilson. Camp Wilson, which

41:23 Speaker 2: is it's what is he saying, isn't a training area.

41:27 Speaker 2: It's a main camp to stage for units before they

41:30 Speaker 2: push out for the actual ranges. So it's like a

41:34 Speaker 2: staging area where they stage. So these guys there'd be

41:39 Speaker 2: like I said, upwards of five hundred. So it's not

41:43 Speaker 2: they're not actually like training or doing anything. It's more

41:46 Speaker 2: like a staging getting ready to go to the range.

41:49 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's the largest military and largest marine base

41:53 Speaker 3: in the world. They have a ton of a space

41:56 Speaker 3: to go out and do things. They're not going to

41:58 Speaker 3: be launching flares and launching munitions right over the head.

42:01 Speaker 4: Of the king.

42:02 Speaker 2: No, No, absolutely not, especially this area where it's a

42:05 Speaker 2: staging area. It's like it just doesn't make any sense.

42:09 Speaker 2: It doesn't add up. But clearly this thing provoked some

42:14 Speaker 2: response out of the base. So I wonder why John

42:21 Speaker 2: Greenwald is so quick to dismiss this case and not

42:24 Speaker 2: start for you requesting documents about that that evening.

42:30 Speaker 3: Well, actually he did make a FOYA request and we

42:32 Speaker 3: have the results of that, and that's also part of

42:34 Speaker 3: my research. Okay, yeah, so we'll get to that in

42:39 Speaker 3: a little bit. I just want to go through all

42:41 Speaker 3: the different videos. I think this was the last video,

42:43 Speaker 3: so we'll just finish playing this one. Start from the

42:46 Speaker 3: beginning again.

42:48 Speaker 4: Hey, oh, I think they know we're looking at him.

42:59 Speaker 4: Wait and if you look at.

43:01 Speaker 3: If you look at the the five light formation, you

43:04 Speaker 3: can kind of see that it's kind of like four

43:06 Speaker 3: lights and then one kind of goes down. This is

43:09 Speaker 3: what I was talking about, how the shape changes from

43:12 Speaker 3: different locations. And I'll get back to that later.

43:16 Speaker 2: But you don't think that's just perception.

43:20 Speaker 3: It is perception exactly. Yeah, so from a different angle

43:24 Speaker 3: it appears to look different. That's what I think is happening.

43:29 Speaker 2: Okay, but.

43:39 Speaker 4: Those are flares that we know.

43:40 Speaker 6: Those are flares.

43:41 Speaker 3: But what.

43:44 Speaker 2: Yeah, so so again again we have the marines differentiating

43:50 Speaker 2: the flares that they know and the lights that they

43:54 Speaker 2: do not know exactly. So, in my opinion, why is it,

44:02 Speaker 2: why are we not taking this seriously?

44:07 Speaker 3: I think it has to do with just, you know,

44:10 Speaker 3: first impressions matter for a lot of people. And in

44:14 Speaker 3: the immediate aftermath of when this case came out, you know,

44:17 Speaker 3: Mick West had a video out there, quote unquote debunking it.

44:22 Speaker 3: Greenwald had a statement from the government saying nothing to

44:25 Speaker 3: see here. And you know, I think there was just

44:29 Speaker 3: a bandwagon people are like and a lot of people

44:32 Speaker 3: don't like Corbel, so they're all there's also that factor

44:35 Speaker 3: they just hate Corbel just for you know him, is

44:38 Speaker 3: the fact that he's the person who brought out the case.

44:41 Speaker 3: That's enough for them to say it's all bullshit.

44:45 Speaker 2: I mean, look, don't get me wrong, guys, Listen, this

44:49 Speaker 2: is from the bottom of my heart. We all know.

44:54 Speaker 2: I've been very vocal about it lately. I'm so sick

44:59 Speaker 2: of the trust me bro attitude that is conveyed by

45:07 Speaker 2: some people in the community that put themselves on these

45:12 Speaker 2: high pedestals and kind of gatekeep information. And to say

45:18 Speaker 2: Jeremy is not one of those people is an understatement, okay,

45:23 Speaker 2: because he very much is.

45:25 Speaker 6: Now.

45:25 Speaker 2: I'm not going to say he has not put out

45:27 Speaker 2: great work. Him and George Knapp. I like what they

45:30 Speaker 2: do that they're doing, but they definitely hold themselves high

45:34 Speaker 2: to a higher standard and to a higher degree than

45:39 Speaker 2: the rest of the community. They they are separate to

45:42 Speaker 2: the community, is the way they see it. They are

45:46 Speaker 2: giving the information. He said it in multiple podcasts about

45:51 Speaker 2: how he doesn't even check Twitter. He doesn't even look

45:54 Speaker 2: at the numbers for Weaponis you know this or that

45:57 Speaker 2: he doesn't? So in my in my opinion, listen, do

46:02 Speaker 2: I have to agree with I don't agree with doctor Greer,

46:06 Speaker 2: but I still watch every movie he makes because there

46:10 Speaker 2: are things like you got to separate the week from

46:13 Speaker 2: the chef, and you got it. In this community, you

46:16 Speaker 2: have to be able to look at both sides, lean

46:19 Speaker 2: through it, and take what you need from it.

46:22 Speaker 3: So that's what we need to do more of exactly.

46:24 Speaker 3: And I would just echo what you were saying about,

46:27 Speaker 3: you know, the gatekeepers in the community. And yeah, I

46:30 Speaker 3: could level a bunch of criticism against Corbel right now.

46:33 Speaker 3: But he also got this data, he got the video,

46:37 Speaker 3: and he put it out there, and I'm here analyzing

46:39 Speaker 3: that information. And I like to try to think of

46:42 Speaker 3: myself as being you know, objective in the sense that

46:44 Speaker 3: I can separate my feelings for a person from the

46:48 Speaker 3: case at hand. So that's what I'm trying to do

46:51 Speaker 3: with this case.

46:53 Speaker 5: I still.

46:55 Speaker 2: Yeah, so, uh, let's so this that video is interesting.

47:01 Speaker 2: So that came separately and much later, So that wasn't

47:05 Speaker 2: a part of the official.

47:07 Speaker 3: Yeah, this was not part of the release. And there's

47:09 Speaker 3: also a couple of photos that didn't come out with

47:12 Speaker 3: the release.

47:13 Speaker 2: Oh the photos came after.

47:16 Speaker 3: Well, you know, there's so many different witnesses, like for instance,

47:22 Speaker 3: this photo came after so that, yes, this came after

47:28 Speaker 3: the podcast.

47:30 Speaker 2: Ship can you zoom in on that by your browser?

47:39 Speaker 2: Like if you go to your browser and to zoom in, Yeah,

47:45 Speaker 2: there you go. Ah. Twitter doesn't Yeah, Twitter doesn't let

47:49 Speaker 2: me do anything.

47:51 Speaker 3: But I might be able to bring it up because

47:54 Speaker 3: they have it.

47:56 Speaker 2: Because on a file right right here doesn't really look

48:01 Speaker 2: like much, but it does show like in the actual

48:05 Speaker 2: picture when you can see it in like clear form,

48:09 Speaker 2: it does show up as like you can see each

48:11 Speaker 2: individual point of light and it shows that that similar

48:17 Speaker 2: V shape. Yeah, yeah, what's different. What's different is the

48:24 Speaker 2: contrasts of the sighting here. So what that's what's thrown

48:30 Speaker 2: me off here?

48:31 Speaker 3: It looks it is a low light and this is

48:33 Speaker 3: an iPhone eleven taking a low light photo at night?

48:39 Speaker 2: How how did it get because the other videos are

48:42 Speaker 2: so dark?

48:44 Speaker 3: Yeah, So the the low light photo function on an

48:47 Speaker 3: iPhone you can take photos at night using a long

48:51 Speaker 3: exposure and it makes it much brighter, so like you

48:54 Speaker 3: can see the mountains and the hills away, So you

48:56 Speaker 3: can take photos like that. You can't take video of

48:59 Speaker 3: that night.

48:59 Speaker 2: So so this person had the wherewithal to do that,

49:02 Speaker 2: which is great. So I would love to get the

49:05 Speaker 2: actual picture up here. So, uh, while maybe while you

49:11 Speaker 2: find that I want to do, I do want to

49:13 Speaker 2: show you guys something because I found a couple instances

49:19 Speaker 2: of just what flares do look like when they're dropped.

49:24 Speaker 2: It looks something similar to this or something similar to this.

49:30 Speaker 2: They're very they leave trails of smoke behind them. They

49:34 Speaker 2: illuminated for for seconds, not minute, you know, sometimes not

49:39 Speaker 2: even minutes. Uh, they're very quick flash of light. But yeah,

49:45 Speaker 2: very these were not flares. I can definitely rule that

49:50 Speaker 2: out right now already.

49:53 Speaker 3: Yeah, I can definitely rule that out too. Here's another photo,

49:57 Speaker 3: a low light photo. You can just barely see the

50:00 Speaker 3: craft down here. And then let's see obviously that's has

50:06 Speaker 3: filters put on to it. But I think, why don't

50:10 Speaker 3: we dive into the witness testimony. You want to do

50:13 Speaker 3: that now that we've gone through the video.

50:15 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, so let's do that. So

50:22 Speaker 2: these are some of the So what you're saying is,

50:26 Speaker 2: these are some of the marines that were there and

50:30 Speaker 2: their testimony that they gave to weaponize.

50:34 Speaker 3: Yep, okay, and we can just pause and whenever you

50:38 Speaker 3: want to talk about what they say.

50:41 Speaker 2: Good, let them playfully through.

50:45 Speaker 6: The artillery.

50:47 Speaker 7: What are the facts, man? What based which which marine based?

50:50 Speaker 7: And what time was this?

50:53 Speaker 6: Two nights ago? It was roughly like eight at night.

50:58 Speaker 6: It was twenty nine Palms, California.

51:00 Speaker 5: So I don't know if you're.

51:01 Speaker 8: Familiar with the base at all, but Camp Wilson is

51:04 Speaker 8: attached to twenty nine homes, so it's like a one

51:08 Speaker 8: way road in and out of the camp.

51:10 Speaker 9: One of my buddies moved out bad and he's looking

51:13 Speaker 9: at this guy, and then it just kind of appeared

51:15 Speaker 9: out of nowhere, and we all came out and looked,

51:18 Speaker 9: and then slowly, like fifty plus people started coming out

51:20 Speaker 9: and looking.

51:21 Speaker 6: Those lights appeared out of nowhere.

51:24 Speaker 7: Obviously a lot of people saw this. What did people think?

51:28 Speaker 6: They're just kind of they were just kind of like

51:33 Speaker 6: nobody could recognize it. I mean, we're all in the military,

51:35 Speaker 6: so you think we've.

51:36 Speaker 7: This happened in a number of places. I've got reports

51:39 Speaker 7: from other people that are coming in with the video

51:41 Speaker 7: you sent me, was that yours?

51:43 Speaker 6: Yes, that's my?

51:45 Speaker 7: And the photo is that a still photo or pulled

51:47 Speaker 7: from the video?

51:49 Speaker 6: It's a still photo. If you walk in picture, you

51:52 Speaker 6: can see like a black triang your shape.

51:54 Speaker 7: Why are these not flares.

51:56 Speaker 9: Because they stayed there first solid ten minutes, just in

52:00 Speaker 9: the same spot.

52:02 Speaker 7: And flares don't sit in one spot for ten minutes.

52:06 Speaker 6: No, they definitely they fall.

52:08 Speaker 7: So you personally know that These were not flares. Do

52:11 Speaker 7: you believe this was a crap?

52:13 Speaker 6: Yeah, I would have to believe.

52:14 Speaker 9: So with the picture I took with the black right

52:16 Speaker 9: yours shape underneath the lights, it's definitely not any type

52:20 Speaker 9: of like flair illumination rounds or anything.

52:23 Speaker 6: I didn't need to fudge in.

52:24 Speaker 8: But I worked with artillery and we shoot illumination rounds

52:28 Speaker 8: out of our already guns into the air, so I

52:30 Speaker 8: loom infantry.

52:32 Speaker 6: Guys. Yeah, this was nothing compared to what that is.

52:36 Speaker 5: Like.

52:36 Speaker 8: This was something none of us had ever seen before.

52:39 Speaker 8: It was completely different color, The size of the illumination

52:43 Speaker 8: was just you shoot illumination rounds. It's one you shoot

52:48 Speaker 8: in the air and let it drop and then you

52:50 Speaker 8: shoot another one.

52:51 Speaker 6: This was like obviously you seen the picture.

52:53 Speaker 8: This was like five right next to each other, and

52:56 Speaker 8: they're kind of reddish, and our loom rounds are like

52:59 Speaker 8: a yellow white color.

53:01 Speaker 2: So as you can see right here.

53:04 Speaker 7: Was there any sound There was absolutely no sound.

53:07 Speaker 6: No sound, but it was definitely stationary.

53:10 Speaker 7: How big was it? Estimate to me?

53:12 Speaker 6: How big to uh one of those stealth bombers the size.

53:17 Speaker 7: Well, hold on, hold on, stealth bombers can't cover exactly.

53:20 Speaker 6: That's why I can compare it to that. But that's

53:22 Speaker 6: how I know it.

53:23 Speaker 9: Plus's that I would say the size of my three

53:26 Speaker 9: bedroom of the house. What maybe bigger?

53:32 Speaker 7: You said that there were like objects that came out

53:34 Speaker 7: and like circled it right after and then it went dark.

53:37 Speaker 5: What do you mean?

53:38 Speaker 9: So right before they went out, the allume rounds popped

53:41 Speaker 9: off over the top of it, those two orange lights,

53:44 Speaker 9: the actual alum rounds that went up over top of it.

53:47 Speaker 9: And then after that it disappeared like just straight went black,

53:51 Speaker 9: and then helicopter started like falling as they.

53:55 Speaker 2: Went whoa pause, Yeah, he said a helicopter.

54:04 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I actually had.

54:05 Speaker 2: A helicopter started hauling ass towards it.

54:09 Speaker 3: Yeah, and so and then there's also a video of

54:13 Speaker 3: that too. They recorded the helicopter response in the car

54:18 Speaker 3: and they said there was a convoy response to a

54:20 Speaker 3: fifty plus trucks, so it was a big deal.

54:27 Speaker 2: So there was a massive response.

54:30 Speaker 3: Yeah, there was two flares launched at the time, and

54:34 Speaker 3: then immediately after there were helicopters hauling ass, low flying helicopters.

54:42 Speaker 3: What time was it, I was around eight pm? Eight pm, Yeah,

54:47 Speaker 3: and that in that time eight to eight thirty.

54:50 Speaker 2: Yeah, they would not be conducting training at that hour

54:54 Speaker 2: on that well they do, did you conduct training at night?

55:00 Speaker 2: I'm not, but I don't think the training thing doesn't

55:04 Speaker 2: seem like it's adding up because the people that be

55:08 Speaker 2: training just.

55:10 Speaker 3: They wouldn't be doing the training right where the camp is.

55:13 Speaker 3: They say they go out to the ranges, uh, and

55:18 Speaker 3: then do the training there and they come back to

55:20 Speaker 3: the camp. They don't do the training right at the

55:23 Speaker 3: camp exactly.

55:26 Speaker 2: Yes, and that's what and that's what I mean, thank you. Yeah,

55:29 Speaker 2: but it's so the the the the active training doesn't

55:34 Speaker 2: so that takes that theory out for me. I don't

55:38 Speaker 2: think it's flairs, So now we can can Okay.

55:46 Speaker 9: The helicopters started like and they went like in the

55:50 Speaker 9: direction of it, and then they started circling the area.

55:53 Speaker 8: These helicopters were circling for a good bit afterwards, and

55:57 Speaker 8: there was a there was a convoy as well that

55:59 Speaker 8: went out. It was like a sixty plus truck convoy

56:02 Speaker 8: and we saw it go out as well, were take

56:05 Speaker 8: pictures afterwards.

56:07 Speaker 6: It was just straight black disappeared.

56:10 Speaker 7: What do you think you saw?

56:13 Speaker 6: I couldn't tell you.

56:15 Speaker 9: I just know, it's not anything that I recognized or

56:18 Speaker 9: any of my close defends could recognize either.

56:21 Speaker 6: So I don't think it was Anna became US military.

56:26 Speaker 9: Definitely some type of UFO, and Gover was trying to

56:29 Speaker 9: look for it after it disappeared.

56:32 Speaker 6: I'm just trying to figure out what the hell that was.

56:35 Speaker 7: This is a highly documented event. We just don't know

56:38 Speaker 7: what it is.

56:40 Speaker 9: Yeah, like through exercises that We've worked with a lot

56:43 Speaker 9: of people who use different type of weapons.

56:46 Speaker 6: So I've never seen anything like it.

56:48 Speaker 3: What the fuck? Okay, So that was the first two

56:52 Speaker 3: witnesses there.

56:54 Speaker 2: Oh my god. So I'm just gonna say it. They

56:57 Speaker 2: don't sound you again. You can hear it in their

57:02 Speaker 2: voices that they they they did not know what this was.

57:13 Speaker 2: This this this this caught them by.

57:17 Speaker 3: Surprise and they were disturbed, I think, and and and

57:23 Speaker 3: and again.

57:23 Speaker 2: Yeah, so when something and and twenty nine Palms is

57:28 Speaker 2: a very very active military base.

57:34 Speaker 3: So it's also a paranormal hotspot. That area that's Joshua

57:38 Speaker 3: Tree right right by there, yes, and that whole hobby

57:44 Speaker 3: desert there. Yeah, And there's also been talk that twenty

57:48 Speaker 3: nine Palms might have a deep underground military base located

57:51 Speaker 3: there as well, a Doug.

57:55 Speaker 2: But I wouldn't I wouldn't be surprised, but I can't

58:01 Speaker 2: confirm more than.

58:01 Speaker 3: I Yeah, I don't know. That's just that's just out

58:05 Speaker 3: in ether in the community. Like there's some maps of

58:09 Speaker 3: deep underground military basis, and.

58:13 Speaker 2: I would say, I would say that it would be

58:16 Speaker 2: stupid not to so but let's let's continue with the witnesses.

58:22 Speaker 3: Yeah, let's go.

58:28 Speaker 2: So that's why I'm putting up banners and stuff.

58:30 Speaker 3: I put up the banners as much as possible, and

58:34 Speaker 3: this is OZ and like talk about it as much

58:37 Speaker 3: as possible.

58:38 Speaker 2: Fair use, Yeah, because I can do the fair use.

58:41 Speaker 2: I just don't want to get I.

58:42 Speaker 3: Don't think Corbel is gonna strike you down. If he did,

58:46 Speaker 3: that would be a big deal in the community, right.

58:48 Speaker 2: Yeah, So if anyone does, if if I am strucking

58:52 Speaker 2: down Corbell, come on, man, you say you don't care, right,

58:59 Speaker 2: you don't care, So put your money way about this.

59:02 Speaker 2: Let me let me use this. But let's continue.

59:07 Speaker 10: April twentieth, twenty twenty one. You were there that night, yes,

59:12 Speaker 10: and you saw it.

59:14 Speaker 5: Yes, I saw it appear and disappeared.

59:17 Speaker 10: Well, first of all, how many people do you think

59:19 Speaker 10: saw this.

59:22 Speaker 11: So there there's like fifteen people in my hoops and

59:27 Speaker 11: the line the hooches, there's a bunch of people.

59:30 Speaker 5: There's like ten booches in a line with people on it.

59:33 Speaker 5: So a lot of people saw it.

59:35 Speaker 10: Yeah, I heard about fifty witnesses at Camp Wilson alone. Yeah,

59:39 Speaker 10: how you first alerted to the fact that was outside? Like,

59:42 Speaker 10: how did you first see it?

59:44 Speaker 11: When we were there, we would have like at night,

59:47 Speaker 11: we'd have like story time or saw them just past

59:50 Speaker 11: the time it disappeared.

59:53 Speaker 5: And then when we saw it, and then I would

59:55 Speaker 5: start freaking out.

59:58 Speaker 10: They really they were freaking out of little bitter.

1:00:01 Speaker 3: Yeah, they're freaking out.

1:00:02 Speaker 4: They were.

1:00:03 Speaker 2: I mean in some of the videos, we can hear

1:00:06 Speaker 2: that there are there. That's what I and I brought

1:00:09 Speaker 2: it up earlier. There is some commotion in the background.

1:00:13 Speaker 2: You could kind of hear it at the end of

1:00:15 Speaker 2: one of the videos where like like there's not like

1:00:20 Speaker 2: it is.

1:00:21 Speaker 3: The I think one guy the end of the world.

1:00:24 Speaker 2: Yeah, like they're like literally pondering this, and and I've

1:00:28 Speaker 2: had my own UFO's hiding but it didn't last that long,

1:00:32 Speaker 2: So I can't say that that I don't I wouldn't

1:00:37 Speaker 2: be asking this questions, right if if I was them,

1:00:45 Speaker 2: you know, because there's they're the ones who're supposed to know.

1:00:49 Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, I'll start this back up.

1:00:53 Speaker 10: No one knew what it was, and how long would

1:00:56 Speaker 10: you suspect that it was there? What's the longest length

1:01:00 Speaker 10: that it was there?

1:01:02 Speaker 5: Thirty five minutes?

1:01:04 Speaker 3: Really?

1:01:05 Speaker 6: Wow?

1:01:05 Speaker 3: Yeah, so there's that thirty five minutes.

1:01:09 Speaker 2: So again, just so we're very clear, there is not

1:01:15 Speaker 2: a flare known that can sustain its altitude information perfectly

1:01:24 Speaker 2: and then move in code. So move like literally move

1:01:30 Speaker 2: its distance away, maintaining altitude and staying and staying lit.

1:01:38 Speaker 2: This object is clearly moving. I don't know what direction,

1:01:41 Speaker 2: but it is moving away from the cameraman's perspective. So

1:01:45 Speaker 2: it's moving. So uh, there's no way that that that

1:01:49 Speaker 2: that it's flares.

1:01:51 Speaker 3: Yeah, I definitely agree. Not flares. And that's the biggest

1:01:54 Speaker 3: point because everyone is saying, oh, it's flares, but those

1:01:57 Speaker 3: are low information people. I feel like they haven't listened

1:02:00 Speaker 3: the witnesses.

1:02:01 Speaker 2: Or I feel bad. I feel terrible that I was

1:02:04 Speaker 2: one of those people.

1:02:06 Speaker 3: It's okay, well, maybe we'll we'll start the movement to

1:02:09 Speaker 3: get get the rest of the UFO community looking at

1:02:12 Speaker 3: this case again.

1:02:13 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would love to help because this is this

1:02:15 Speaker 2: is actually wild.

1:02:17 Speaker 3: Yeah all right, let's keep going.

1:02:20 Speaker 5: Yeah, it was there for a hob minute.

1:02:22 Speaker 10: A lot of people are saying that these are flares.

1:02:27 Speaker 6: No, they weren't.

1:02:29 Speaker 5: Definitely not flairs. I think it was a crap.

1:02:35 Speaker 10: It was weird so that this was unlike anything you've

1:02:37 Speaker 10: seen before or since.

1:02:40 Speaker 11: Oh yeah, yeah, first time seeing something like that. Yeah,

1:02:44 Speaker 11: it definitely looked like a craft.

1:02:47 Speaker 10: Was there any sound, no sound at all?

1:02:52 Speaker 5: It was kind of eerie.

1:02:54 Speaker 10: And if you had to just guesstimate and you give

1:02:57 Speaker 10: me an estimate size, but now was pretty big.

1:03:01 Speaker 5: It was pretty much like the same length as the

1:03:03 Speaker 5: top of the bout. So I'm saying like.

1:03:07 Speaker 6: At least.

1:03:10 Speaker 11: Seventy five yards, like almost a little more than half

1:03:15 Speaker 11: the bowldfield.

1:03:16 Speaker 10: I would say, yeah, I keep hearing that, and you

1:03:20 Speaker 10: still don't know what it was.

1:03:23 Speaker 5: No, I could speculate that it was definitely UFOE.

1:03:27 Speaker 10: Why would you call it a UFO? Sorry, identified it

1:03:33 Speaker 10: wasn't some military object or craft?

1:03:36 Speaker 2: Oh my god.

1:03:37 Speaker 6: No.

1:03:39 Speaker 11: If it was, the wife would have been blinking and

1:03:41 Speaker 11: it would have been moving, and I was not doing

1:03:43 Speaker 11: any of that.

1:03:45 Speaker 5: The night was pretty crazy.

1:03:47 Speaker 11: Why there was boys of vehicles, helicopters, snunn you'd really

1:03:52 Speaker 11: see happen there.

1:03:54 Speaker 10: So that was unusual. The response was unusual.

1:03:57 Speaker 11: Oh yeah, yeah, there was like a convoy that night

1:04:00 Speaker 11: of people's heading that way.

1:04:02 Speaker 5: Had to be at least like fifty to seventy trucks.

1:04:06 Speaker 5: It was a huge convoy and then all night long

1:04:11 Speaker 5: flying around everywhere.

1:04:12 Speaker 2: Yeah, fifty to seven So okay, so we have a

1:04:17 Speaker 2: massive response. We have flares being shot, and in the

1:04:22 Speaker 2: video you can differentiate what a flare looks like versus

1:04:26 Speaker 2: what not a flair looks like, what a craft of

1:04:31 Speaker 2: unknown origin may look like. Potentially we have a massive

1:04:37 Speaker 2: response from not only helicopters that hauled asked, and then

1:04:42 Speaker 2: we're circling the base. But fifty to seventy trucks. Yeah,

1:04:48 Speaker 2: you don't. You don't unless this is again again, unless

1:04:56 Speaker 2: this is some sort of like like we'd do shadow

1:05:01 Speaker 2: government test against our own government with some sort of

1:05:06 Speaker 2: advanced craft Darba has has come cooked up, reverse engineered,

1:05:11 Speaker 2: you know, like crush the same. Well, it's something like that.

1:05:17 Speaker 2: I'm baffled.

1:05:20 Speaker 3: That's why I now more towards the you know et

1:05:24 Speaker 3: hypothesis than the classified military technology, because why would they

1:05:28 Speaker 3: be responding to their own technology. Why would they be

1:05:31 Speaker 3: sending a convoy out if it's their own stuff?

1:05:35 Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, and and and so I see someone of

1:05:39 Speaker 2: the comments has experience with artillery, So I would love

1:05:44 Speaker 2: to hear the argument for how this could be sustained flight,

1:05:50 Speaker 2: how you could sustain players for so. So, essentially, what

1:05:56 Speaker 2: you would be saying is that if if the were flares,

1:06:02 Speaker 2: that this event unfolded in mere minutes rather than the

1:06:06 Speaker 2: thirty five to forty minutes, because that's the only way

1:06:09 Speaker 2: the flare hypothesis works is if you take the timeframe

1:06:15 Speaker 2: of what the gentlemen are saying and cut that down

1:06:18 Speaker 2: to minutes, right, And even then you make you'd have

1:06:23 Speaker 2: a hard time pressing the flare case. So someone's lying.

1:06:30 Speaker 2: Somebody is lying. Either Susan Go, the Department of Defense,

1:06:36 Speaker 2: or the witnesses are lying.

1:06:42 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I would definitely put my money on Susan

1:06:44 Speaker 3: Go because I find these people a lot more credits.

1:06:47 Speaker 3: She's probably the least credible person in my book.

1:06:51 Speaker 2: Right, if we put the videos all together, how much

1:06:58 Speaker 2: video time do we have of this craft.

1:07:00 Speaker 8: Yeah.

1:07:01 Speaker 3: So according to Corbell, the earliest video according to the metadata,

1:07:07 Speaker 3: uh to the the last video that he has, according

1:07:10 Speaker 3: to the metadata, was a span of six minutes, So

1:07:13 Speaker 3: he only has a six minute hard data. But even

1:07:19 Speaker 3: that that's still pushing it. Seven minutes is about the top,

1:07:23 Speaker 3: and they don't they wouldn't stay in the same spot.

1:07:26 Speaker 2: I just I'm sorry, even if you have experienced with flares,

1:07:33 Speaker 2: I just if we have, If there's truly six minutes

1:07:36 Speaker 2: of video and this thing is sustained altitude and it's

1:07:41 Speaker 2: just sustaining its altitude for the full six minutes of video,

1:07:46 Speaker 2: and we can prove, be on a shadow of a doubt,

1:07:50 Speaker 2: that all the videos are from separate time frames, then

1:07:55 Speaker 2: I think the flare excuse could be written off as

1:08:01 Speaker 2: literally not possibility, not a not possible.

1:08:08 Speaker 5: But I agree.

1:08:09 Speaker 2: But let's just play Devil's Advocate and say it was flares.

1:08:17 Speaker 2: What did they have seen them come down? At one point?

1:08:21 Speaker 3: Yeah, and we'll get to another witness who describes what

1:08:25 Speaker 3: a flare looks like.

1:08:26 Speaker 2: But but yeah, yeah, because because eventually a flare comes down,

1:08:30 Speaker 2: these guys say it disappeared.

1:08:33 Speaker 3: Yes, they said it like it They kind of described

1:08:36 Speaker 3: it as like it cloaked, because they said they saw

1:08:38 Speaker 3: that the five light formation and then like an outline

1:08:41 Speaker 3: of it, and then they said as the two flares

1:08:43 Speaker 3: that they launched in response kind of floated down and

1:08:47 Speaker 3: got closer to the five light formation, that it just

1:08:50 Speaker 3: disappeared like it cloaked.

1:08:53 Speaker 2: Interesting. Interesting, All right, let's keep going.

1:08:58 Speaker 10: Are it was very unusual even though that was part

1:09:02 Speaker 10: of your you're there for training missions and there's a

1:09:04 Speaker 10: known training mission going on there at that time, this

1:09:07 Speaker 10: is still unusual.

1:09:09 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, it was definitely very unusual.

1:09:11 Speaker 10: The response was unusual. Yeah, what's your interpretation of that response?

1:09:17 Speaker 11: I think they're probably going to hunt it down or

1:09:20 Speaker 11: something to see if they could find it.

1:09:23 Speaker 5: Oh no, it was pretty wild. Definitely wasn't players.

1:09:34 Speaker 2: That's all I'm saying. You said that witness quotations was

1:09:40 Speaker 2: not flares.

1:09:42 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, they all they all pretty much agree with

1:09:45 Speaker 3: that that it wasn't flaars and like.

1:09:48 Speaker 2: Insert witness in like literally insert witness, they all bring

1:09:53 Speaker 2: it up it was not flares. So either there again,

1:09:58 Speaker 2: either they're perpetrating Yeah, some sort of this elaborate hoax

1:10:03 Speaker 2: about a training mission, which I again that that is

1:10:09 Speaker 2: more unbelievable than just being a fucking craft of an

1:10:12 Speaker 2: unknown origin.

1:10:16 Speaker 4: I agree.

1:10:17 Speaker 3: Yeah, the idea of get all these guys together.

1:10:20 Speaker 2: And yeah, yeah, because in life.

1:10:27 Speaker 3: You could hear them, you could hear them respond in

1:10:30 Speaker 3: live time that they couldn't figure it out. So unless

1:10:33 Speaker 3: they had a you know, they got together ahead of

1:10:35 Speaker 3: time and they're like, okay, so there's gonna be some

1:10:38 Speaker 3: flares that're gonna drop, and let's all act crazy like

1:10:40 Speaker 3: we don't know what's going on.

1:10:43 Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems see, it almost seems implausible that that

1:10:52 Speaker 2: I don't know, are we that is our military that

1:10:55 Speaker 2: starved for attention while while on the mainland. I personally

1:11:00 Speaker 2: assure you that they're not so not personally, actually, I

1:11:06 Speaker 2: don't know why I said that. I can't personally, but

1:11:09 Speaker 2: I can mutually assure you that they have much better

1:11:15 Speaker 2: things to be doing than creating an elaborate hoax about

1:11:20 Speaker 2: a UFO in the air. It's not like Corbell's paying

1:11:24 Speaker 2: them for the testimony, at least I hope not.

1:11:29 Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, let's go to number four right now.

1:11:34 Speaker 6: I'm just going to school and working.

1:11:35 Speaker 10: I work an engineering company. In all of your time

1:11:38 Speaker 10: in the military the five years. Did you have a

1:11:40 Speaker 10: specialty or anything that you did by trade. I was

1:11:43 Speaker 10: a data systems technician. I worked on all the communications

1:11:47 Speaker 10: equipment and stuff that the ground guys used. I did

1:11:50 Speaker 10: that and I operated it too.

1:11:52 Speaker 12: For example, you know the guys running around in the

1:11:55 Speaker 12: movies with the antennas and they're always like calling it

1:11:57 Speaker 12: up there the one's communicating with the ups and you know,

1:12:01 Speaker 12: doing that kind of stuff, like, that's that's what I did.

1:12:03 Speaker 2: You know.

1:12:03 Speaker 10: April twentieth, twenty twenty one, about eight twenty pm. As

1:12:08 Speaker 10: far as this event, walk me through it.

1:12:11 Speaker 7: We were out in Poms, if I recall correctly, I

1:12:15 Speaker 7: was one of the first people. I walked outside, and

1:12:16 Speaker 7: I was like, what the fuck is that?

1:12:17 Speaker 5: That was weird?

1:12:18 Speaker 10: And I was like, dude. That's when I pulled my

1:12:20 Speaker 10: head inside and I was like, hey, guys, there's like

1:12:24 Speaker 10: some weird stuff in the sky.

1:12:25 Speaker 6: You guys just come check this out.

1:12:27 Speaker 10: And then so when everyone came outside, and then like

1:12:29 Speaker 10: in one of the pictures I sent you, you can

1:12:30 Speaker 10: see just rows of like those cans that we were

1:12:33 Speaker 10: sleeping in, just rose of people coming out and like

1:12:35 Speaker 10: looking up into the sky. I've heard different timelines.

1:12:39 Speaker 2: Of like how long it was they're in there, skippy guy,

1:12:43 Speaker 2: can you.

1:12:43 Speaker 10: Tell me for how long you saw it in the sky.

1:12:46 Speaker 2: They're in their skippies out there watching that's how, that's how.

1:12:52 Speaker 2: That's how crazy it was. They're out in their skippies, bro,

1:12:57 Speaker 2: They're literally in their underwear out there watching this this thing.

1:13:02 Speaker 3: Yeah, look at you can see their phones. There's at

1:13:04 Speaker 3: least I can see three people with their phones out,

1:13:07 Speaker 3: so there's maybe four people.

1:13:10 Speaker 2: There's probably way more video.

1:13:12 Speaker 3: I think there's a lot more video because we got

1:13:16 Speaker 3: an additional video and additional two photos that came through

1:13:19 Speaker 3: Reddit after Corbell published his podcast. So, I mean this

1:13:24 Speaker 3: is a shout out to if there's if anyone knows

1:13:26 Speaker 3: any of the witnesses, reach out to Tie or myself

1:13:30 Speaker 3: and we'd love to talk more and try to get

1:13:32 Speaker 3: more footage and just get there, you know, get their

1:13:35 Speaker 3: point of view. Even if you've never weren't there that night,

1:13:38 Speaker 3: if you but if you were someone who's been at

1:13:40 Speaker 3: that base, I'd love to talk to you get more

1:13:42 Speaker 3: context about the situation.

1:13:45 Speaker 2: Yeah. Please, if you're one of the witnesses, please please

1:13:50 Speaker 2: reach out. I would love to talk to uh to

1:13:53 Speaker 2: someone who actually saw this, but we can continue the video.

1:13:58 Speaker 10: You saw it in the sky.

1:14:01 Speaker 5: I was outside for at least ten to fifteen minutes.

1:14:05 Speaker 2: I know that.

1:14:05 Speaker 5: I wasn't outside like the whole time.

1:14:08 Speaker 10: Did you see when they shot flares up and they

1:14:10 Speaker 10: had those lumin flares?

1:14:12 Speaker 6: Yeah, for sure. Yeah.

1:14:13 Speaker 10: There's one of the pictures I sent you. There's flares

1:14:15 Speaker 10: in the sky with the lights behind it. One of

1:14:18 Speaker 10: the kids, he goes, you could see a shape, he

1:14:21 Speaker 10: said about it not just being lights, but seeing the

1:14:25 Speaker 10: shape of a body of a craft. Did you see that?

1:14:29 Speaker 6: Yeah?

1:14:29 Speaker 10: Yeah, it just they were stagnant. They weren't moving. They

1:14:33 Speaker 10: were very in place. That's what was so weird to

1:14:37 Speaker 10: us is that it was just kind of just like there.

1:14:40 Speaker 10: Did they drop like flares, did they descend like flares

1:14:43 Speaker 10: or did it stay and hover and play?

1:14:45 Speaker 6: No, not at all.

1:14:46 Speaker 10: That's not what these lights were doing. The lights were

1:14:50 Speaker 10: pretty stagnant in the sky and not moving anywhere besize.

1:14:55 Speaker 10: If you had to guess, it was a big object.

1:14:58 Speaker 10: Whatever it was, it was, it had some mass to it.

1:15:01 Speaker 10: It wasn't just you know, some freaking small, unmanned thing

1:15:05 Speaker 10: flying in the sky. I mean with the distance and stuff.

1:15:09 Speaker 10: It could have been as big as a freaking football field. Honestly,

1:15:13 Speaker 10: that's like something.

1:15:15 Speaker 2: That's one thing we keep hearing is it's it's roughly

1:15:20 Speaker 2: the size of a football field or half a football

1:15:24 Speaker 2: field at least, so that we could say that probably is.

1:15:32 Speaker 6: Uh.

1:15:33 Speaker 2: I wonder if we could calculate how high the flares were,

1:15:40 Speaker 2: what's the max on the flares? And then But but

1:15:46 Speaker 2: that's just me thinking out loud.

1:15:47 Speaker 3: No, No, I think that's a good thing to think about,

1:15:50 Speaker 3: like can we triangulate this?

1:15:52 Speaker 2: Yeah, multiple.

1:15:54 Speaker 3: And I I've done a little bit of that work,

1:15:57 Speaker 3: so it is possible. But the thing that's holding me

1:16:01 Speaker 3: back right now.

1:16:01 Speaker 2: There's gotta be more data.

1:16:03 Speaker 3: There's more data.

1:16:04 Speaker 2: The military is holding back.

1:16:07 Speaker 3: Oh the military, Oh my gosh, they probably have a

1:16:09 Speaker 3: ton of data and anything. They got radar, they got

1:16:13 Speaker 3: all sorts of you know CEE, you know, CRT cameras,

1:16:16 Speaker 3: security cameras all over the place.

1:16:18 Speaker 2: Oh my god.

1:16:18 Speaker 3: Yeah, and they probably if they had any assets out there.

1:16:21 Speaker 3: You know, they have night vision, thermal vision, so a

1:16:26 Speaker 3: ton of stuff. But something that that's been holding me

1:16:30 Speaker 3: back from doing more analysis is I don't have the

1:16:32 Speaker 3: metadata on some of these videos that when Corbel released

1:16:36 Speaker 3: his videos, you didn't really give us the metadata. So

1:16:39 Speaker 3: if you're listening, Corbel, please send me the metadata.

1:16:43 Speaker 2: Yeah, we have about we actually had about two hundred

1:16:46 Speaker 2: and fifty live. But again it's always mostly on Twitter.

1:16:52 Speaker 2: That's the thing. Nowadays. People just watch on X which

1:16:55 Speaker 2: I like, I like, but they can't comment. They don't

1:16:59 Speaker 2: their comments so come through for some reason. It's weird.

1:17:03 Speaker 6: Yeah.

1:17:03 Speaker 2: So this, this, this case is really blowing my mind.

1:17:08 Speaker 2: So this there's so much more to this than I thought.

1:17:10 Speaker 3: Oh, there's so much more. I haven't gotten into my

1:17:13 Speaker 3: analysis yet. All right, but let's finish these witnesses out

1:17:17 Speaker 3: you've ever seen before?

1:17:19 Speaker 13: No, were those as a lance corporal at twenty nine poems.

1:17:26 Speaker 10: At Campbellton without knowing any of the hubbub in the

1:17:30 Speaker 10: media right now that's going on. You know what night

1:17:34 Speaker 10: I'm referring to, right.

1:17:36 Speaker 5: Yes, fair, I do.

1:17:37 Speaker 10: In twenty twenty one, twentieth of April, you were there, Yes,

1:17:44 Speaker 10: I was. You know exactly what I'm asking about, don't you.

1:17:48 Speaker 13: I know the exact date because I remember when the

1:17:51 Speaker 13: helicopters started taken off and they were flying jets all

1:17:54 Speaker 13: over the base.

1:17:54 Speaker 5: All sporadically. Now we have jets that happened yep.

1:17:58 Speaker 3: So we got helicopters, jets, yep.

1:18:03 Speaker 2: I'm literally taking a list. So now we have a

1:18:07 Speaker 2: witness saying that there were jets deployed. I'm starting to

1:18:13 Speaker 2: wonder that the reason that we don't have any footage

1:18:17 Speaker 2: of that is because it's inherently classified.

1:18:22 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, anything in the in the military, if it's

1:18:24 Speaker 3: a military camera or a military sensor, it's automatically classified.

1:18:30 Speaker 2: Right. Well, that, but I'm talking about even these these

1:18:34 Speaker 2: guys's footage, I.

1:18:36 Speaker 3: Mean their cell phone camera footage.

1:18:38 Speaker 2: Yeah. I think maybe if you're listen, if you think

1:18:43 Speaker 2: there is a cover up, I think that there's some

1:18:46 Speaker 2: things that that they might have to be holding.

1:18:49 Speaker 3: Back, that it's possible. But the thing is, all these

1:18:54 Speaker 3: witnesses said that they were confused that no one wanted

1:18:57 Speaker 3: to interview them after the event. You know, they were like,

1:19:01 Speaker 3: why doesn't anyone want to get you know, the details

1:19:04 Speaker 3: of what we saw? So I think they their their

1:19:07 Speaker 3: modus operande is to you know, silence, you know, and

1:19:12 Speaker 3: it's silence and then maybe have a cover up afterwards.

1:19:15 Speaker 3: So I don't think that the cell phone footage would

1:19:17 Speaker 3: have been classified because it's not a classified sense.

1:19:21 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, no, Well maybe I should have waited for

1:19:24 Speaker 2: your analysis on that one because I didn't know if

1:19:27 Speaker 2: anyone had visited them, but it seems like that was the.

1:19:31 Speaker 3: No, yeah, no one, No one interviewed them or visited

1:19:35 Speaker 3: to them and wanted to get their point of view.

1:19:37 Speaker 3: And they were kind of confused by that because they're like,

1:19:39 Speaker 3: this big, big thing happened last night, and seems like

1:19:42 Speaker 3: none of our higher ups even get give.

1:19:44 Speaker 2: A ship, right, But that's kind of a that's like

1:19:47 Speaker 2: a Kevin Day told me or someone I can't remember

1:19:54 Speaker 2: who it was, Uh, there was. It seems that that's

1:19:59 Speaker 2: a common theme.

1:20:00 Speaker 3: Well, my guess is that the military, the higher ups

1:20:03 Speaker 3: and the military, they have way more data than what

1:20:06 Speaker 3: these witnesses have. So it's like they don't even need

1:20:10 Speaker 3: the witnesses to know what happened.

1:20:13 Speaker 2: Right, They're they're they're focused on compartmentalizing it, so we

1:20:20 Speaker 2: can talk about that later.

1:20:23 Speaker 3: Let's finish okay.

1:20:24 Speaker 10: Off, okay, and is that your voice in the video

1:20:28 Speaker 10: that says you can see a shape?

1:20:30 Speaker 13: Yes, sir, I already know which video you're talking about.

1:20:33 Speaker 13: We all ran outside seeing.

1:20:35 Speaker 4: What it was.

1:20:36 Speaker 13: At first, of course we all thought it was players,

1:20:38 Speaker 13: but players don't stay open the air that long. They

1:20:41 Speaker 13: were in like a triangular shaped They were just hoping

1:20:44 Speaker 13: that pattern for a long time. You can kind of

1:20:47 Speaker 13: see an outline of something, but we weren't sure what

1:20:49 Speaker 13: it was.

1:20:50 Speaker 5: It just looks like something I've never seen. It was

1:20:53 Speaker 5: very odd.

1:20:55 Speaker 13: Why, Well, when a player gets shot up, I mean,

1:21:00 Speaker 13: it leaves a trail and it's also being parachuted, so

1:21:03 Speaker 13: it doesn't sit in the same spot for a very

1:21:06 Speaker 13: long period to come and the light dims down. That

1:21:09 Speaker 13: light was there for a very long time.

1:21:12 Speaker 10: How long.

1:21:15 Speaker 5: I can't remember precisely how long it.

1:21:17 Speaker 10: Was, like approximate, was it five minutes, was it an hour?

1:21:22 Speaker 13: I remember we were all out there probably for about

1:21:25 Speaker 13: I did thirty minutes looking at it, which I guess

1:21:28 Speaker 13: that makes no sense to me if it would be

1:21:30 Speaker 13: a flare, because a flare is continuously falling, you'll see that.

1:21:34 Speaker 3: So there's two witnesses that said it was thirty minutes.

1:21:38 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's multiple witnesses now saying that that. We have

1:21:43 Speaker 2: a timeline of approximately up to thirty five minutes, somewhere

1:21:49 Speaker 2: between thirty and thirty five minutes.

1:21:52 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think we might have gone by it

1:21:54 Speaker 3: already and I didn't stop. But one of the witnesses

1:21:57 Speaker 3: said he actually saw it a peer, so he was

1:22:00 Speaker 3: there from the very beginning when it appeared to the

1:22:04 Speaker 3: very end. Other witnesses were.

1:22:07 Speaker 2: Did did he did he? Because I may have missed that.

1:22:11 Speaker 2: Did he say that it just looked like the same

1:22:14 Speaker 2: way it left, like just appeared, or did he say

1:22:17 Speaker 2: it like just entered the field of view?

1:22:21 Speaker 3: I don't think he gave that specific details. So he

1:22:24 Speaker 3: just said that he saw it when it first appeared.

1:22:27 Speaker 2: And see, that's why I need to interview them. Well,

1:22:30 Speaker 2: come on, we can do much better.

1:22:33 Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, we can get more more out of

1:22:35 Speaker 3: these witnesses.

1:22:37 Speaker 2: So I'm going to try to get these guys I got.

1:22:40 Speaker 2: I'm not. I don't want to say I have polled,

1:22:42 Speaker 2: but I mean I I.

1:22:45 Speaker 13: You can do it.

1:22:46 Speaker 2: I can do it. I can do it.

1:22:48 Speaker 3: I got you hooked on this case. So we're teaming up. Now,

1:22:52 Speaker 3: all right, let's keep listening.

1:22:54 Speaker 13: That's smoke. There's a parachute attached to him. So they

1:22:58 Speaker 13: slow down, they all and you didn't You couldn't see

1:23:02 Speaker 13: a parachute on them. Even if they were zoomed in,

1:23:05 Speaker 13: they weren't moving. It wasn't even burning like a burning

1:23:09 Speaker 13: kind of light, because you know a flare's combustion.

1:23:13 Speaker 3: I have a video where so that's an important important point.

1:23:17 Speaker 3: And he said it wasn't like a burning light like

1:23:19 Speaker 3: a like a flare doesn't have a steady light. It

1:23:23 Speaker 3: kind of like fluctuates as it burns.

1:23:26 Speaker 2: Yeah, it would, it would. It would. What it would

1:23:30 Speaker 2: be like to the camera is like it would be

1:23:34 Speaker 2: intensity and then the intensity would drop, intensity drop. It

1:23:40 Speaker 2: would be a constant fluctuation and it would look very

1:23:44 Speaker 2: very uh well, we see what it looks like.

1:23:48 Speaker 3: Yeah the video mm hmm.

1:23:51 Speaker 2: So yeah, it just doesn't that's a it's a great

1:23:55 Speaker 2: he's he's bringing up exactly. He's kind of saying everything

1:24:00 Speaker 2: I think everyone's thinking.

1:24:03 Speaker 10: Okay, afterwards, these loom flares go up and they look

1:24:08 Speaker 10: very different, like they're falling.

1:24:10 Speaker 5: And it's durastically different from what we saw.

1:24:13 Speaker 10: Your adamant that these were not flares, Yes, sir, And

1:24:20 Speaker 10: is it because of the proximity to you, the color

1:24:23 Speaker 10: of them, not seeing descent, not seeing smoke. Why are

1:24:26 Speaker 10: these not flares?

1:24:28 Speaker 13: The smoke descent, Like I said, the flares of combustion light,

1:24:33 Speaker 13: so it's kind of flickering the entire time. And then

1:24:37 Speaker 13: those lights weren't flickering.

1:24:39 Speaker 5: Like just bright, just the and thebes in a triangle.

1:24:46 Speaker 4: What was that?

1:24:47 Speaker 5: See?

1:24:48 Speaker 2: There are there are so many questions like did the

1:24:52 Speaker 2: craft make sound? It sounds from the video that it didn't,

1:24:56 Speaker 2: so that's an Then we have low visibility. Uh, we

1:25:02 Speaker 2: have many of the observables.

1:25:04 Speaker 3: So in positive lift, like it wasn't falling down, so

1:25:07 Speaker 3: something was keeping it from falling down. So that's one

1:25:10 Speaker 3: of the fine anti gravity.

1:25:13 Speaker 2: So we have we have multiple of the five observables. Yeah,

1:25:17 Speaker 2: we have two of them at least they at least Yeah,

1:25:21 Speaker 2: And if you want to if you do want to say,

1:25:24 Speaker 2: if you want to go on the witnesses claims this

1:25:27 Speaker 2: thing just disappeared, I would say that that falls under

1:25:30 Speaker 2: the instantaneous acceleration category because it's it's either uh, you know,

1:25:37 Speaker 2: cloaking or going into a different dimension or doing something

1:25:42 Speaker 2: at you know, rapid speed. So I would say that

1:25:46 Speaker 2: that would fall as a third observable. So yeah, this

1:25:50 Speaker 2: this thing is is odd. This is odd.

1:25:55 Speaker 3: Yeah, it definitely is odd. And I think when this

1:25:59 Speaker 3: case came out, there was so much happening in the

1:26:01 Speaker 3: UFO community at the time, Like I think Rush.

1:26:03 Speaker 2: Might have just came out, just that it got overshadowed. Yes,

1:26:08 Speaker 2: it got overshadowed, you know. I think I definitely think

1:26:13 Speaker 2: that that are added part to play.

1:26:15 Speaker 3: Yeah, so yeah, keep going.

1:26:20 Speaker 10: You're saying that with normal flares that I assume you've

1:26:23 Speaker 10: seen a lot of in your military career, right, yes, sir, Okay,

1:26:27 Speaker 10: so this doesn't look like any flare that you've ever seen.

1:26:31 Speaker 13: I have not seen a flare like that in my

1:26:33 Speaker 13: military career. It looks like it was eliminated from a

1:26:38 Speaker 13: bulb or some other stores.

1:26:40 Speaker 10: What was the color that you kind of saw compared

1:26:43 Speaker 10: to like loom flares or something. Was it different in color?

1:26:47 Speaker 13: I mean, we have some flareres, we have red flares,

1:26:50 Speaker 13: but that was like a reddish orange color. Those lights

1:26:53 Speaker 13: were with like a hat of yellow around it. We

1:26:56 Speaker 13: don't have flayers that are like that color. Like the

1:26:59 Speaker 13: red flayers are like a blood red color, very.

1:27:03 Speaker 10: Bright and if you had to approximate the side.

1:27:07 Speaker 3: So that's another point that he made is the color wasn't.

1:27:09 Speaker 2: Correct, right, It's a it was a it was a white,

1:27:14 Speaker 2: whitish blue versus a orange yellow.

1:27:21 Speaker 3: Yeah, let's let's go back and listen to exactly what

1:27:24 Speaker 3: he said. Let's see.

1:27:28 Speaker 2: Well, it's also that he seems to say that they're

1:27:30 Speaker 2: self illuminating, meaning they're they're illuminated from within an outward.

1:27:35 Speaker 3: Yeah, like a light bulb, like he described it, like

1:27:38 Speaker 3: a light bulb.

1:27:39 Speaker 10: Right, Okay, is it different in color?

1:27:43 Speaker 13: I mean, we have some players we have red flares,

1:27:47 Speaker 13: but that was like a reddish orange color. Those lights

1:27:50 Speaker 13: were with like a hand of yellow around it. We

1:27:53 Speaker 13: don't have players that are like that color, Like the

1:27:56 Speaker 13: red flayers are like a blood red color.

1:27:59 Speaker 10: A very right, And if you had to approximate the size,

1:28:04 Speaker 10: what would the size of what you're seeing?

1:28:06 Speaker 5: How big was that for to be that pronounced from

1:28:09 Speaker 5: that distance? I mean it had to be pretty large.

1:28:13 Speaker 10: So a lot of people are saying, what you know, Well,

1:28:16 Speaker 10: that's just a normal training exercise. Aren't there always training

1:28:19 Speaker 10: exercises on that base?

1:28:21 Speaker 13: Yes, sir, Before any big deployment of Marine infantry unit

1:28:25 Speaker 13: will train on that base.

1:28:26 Speaker 10: Let me ask you this. I was told that right

1:28:29 Speaker 10: after there was a pretty massive response, you know, sixty

1:28:33 Speaker 10: five time vehicles Humbi's helicopters that went to like eleven

1:28:37 Speaker 10: thirty at night. Were you witnessed to that as well?

1:28:41 Speaker 2: Three hours yes, Sarah was.

1:28:43 Speaker 10: Do you think that was in direct response to what

1:28:46 Speaker 10: you saw?

1:28:47 Speaker 5: I believe.

1:28:48 Speaker 10: So what do you think they were doing?

1:28:52 Speaker 13: I think they were just surveying, maybe trying to keep

1:28:54 Speaker 13: anything away from ust, seeing what's out there, and the

1:28:58 Speaker 13: same thing, they had jets fired up and they were

1:29:01 Speaker 13: feeling full blast in that direction.

1:29:06 Speaker 10: Do you think it was a craft?

1:29:10 Speaker 5: Honestly, sorry, it looked like it was observing. It's just

1:29:16 Speaker 5: that then and just watched us. That's what it felt like.

1:29:18 Speaker 10: Can you just explain that to me? So I understand, well.

1:29:24 Speaker 13: Like in our line of work, if we were gonna

1:29:27 Speaker 13: do recon on our enemy or something to would take

1:29:30 Speaker 13: a high advantage point where we could see a base

1:29:32 Speaker 13: and we would plant it out.

1:29:35 Speaker 5: After a while. It just now it's just even more

1:29:39 Speaker 5: just we know.

1:29:40 Speaker 13: It wasn't players, because we talked about it a lot

1:29:43 Speaker 13: that night, it just.

1:29:44 Speaker 5: Felt like if it was something not from here, that's

1:29:48 Speaker 5: what they were doing.

1:29:52 Speaker 10: How does that make you feel?

1:29:57 Speaker 5: Kind of I don't know how to explain it.

1:30:00 Speaker 13: I feel like I've known about it, and it's just

1:30:02 Speaker 13: like I felt like we've just been getting lid too

1:30:04 Speaker 13: for a long time about it, and now that I

1:30:09 Speaker 13: saw that, it kind of just you know, confirmed it

1:30:12 Speaker 13: for me, at least to myself, it did.

1:30:18 Speaker 2: Wow.

1:30:20 Speaker 3: Okay that was the five witnesses.

1:30:22 Speaker 5: Wow.

1:30:23 Speaker 2: So just to recap, we have approximately six minutes of video,

1:30:35 Speaker 2: six minutes of video shot, and there was a massive response.

1:30:42 Speaker 2: Two flares at least shot to illuminate the object, while

1:30:47 Speaker 2: a convoy of fifty to seventy vehicles trucks loaded with

1:30:54 Speaker 2: I assume tools for observation and reconnaissance, as well as

1:31:02 Speaker 2: jets and helicopters being deployed. So this is a massive response,

1:31:09 Speaker 2: massive and from what it sounds like, the witnesses are

1:31:15 Speaker 2: very clear and adamant, and they want to make sure

1:31:19 Speaker 2: that we know that it's not flares and that the

1:31:22 Speaker 2: base it provoked a base response if it.

1:31:29 Speaker 3: This was not something that was planned, right, And we

1:31:33 Speaker 3: do have one last video, which is the response video,

1:31:37 Speaker 3: so I can bring that up.

1:31:39 Speaker 2: Oh that's right, copter turned, They're said it.

1:31:46 Speaker 5: So many fucking helicopters turned.

1:31:49 Speaker 3: They're chasing sun, they're flying.

1:31:53 Speaker 2: Holy fuck, they're going fast as hell too.

1:31:57 Speaker 13: They're in like a formation under shod it so many

1:31:59 Speaker 13: fucking helicopters right now, so we.

1:32:04 Speaker 2: Just can't see them.

1:32:06 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just the audio, okay, they just I think

1:32:10 Speaker 3: you might have been able to see a couple of

1:32:11 Speaker 3: the flashing of the the running lights from the hell yeah, at.

1:32:15 Speaker 2: The at the end there. But so they were documenting

1:32:19 Speaker 2: the the response by the helicopters. So that okay, all right,

1:32:25 Speaker 2: So that I mean that, can you bring that picture

1:32:29 Speaker 2: up right there?

1:32:30 Speaker 3: This one here?

1:32:31 Speaker 2: Yep? So that again, guys, that is what it looks

1:32:38 Speaker 2: like what the craft. Uh so you could see its

1:32:41 Speaker 2: position in this photo is different than the orientation from

1:32:45 Speaker 2: the video. The video that was taken is from a

1:32:50 Speaker 2: slightly different angle. Uh. And it's it's it's very peculiar. Uh.

1:32:55 Speaker 2: So you know a lot of people saw this thing.

1:32:57 Speaker 2: Uh And I would love to see what you got

1:33:01 Speaker 2: on the rest of your slides.

1:33:03 Speaker 3: Sure, and you're talking about the orientation, I got something

1:33:07 Speaker 3: specific for that.

1:33:08 Speaker 5: Here.

1:33:09 Speaker 3: Let's seem find it, okay, Yeah, this one right here,

1:33:17 Speaker 3: So this is there are two videos of the As

1:33:24 Speaker 3: you can see, there's the two flares at the top

1:33:26 Speaker 3: and the craft or the five light formation on the bottom,

1:33:30 Speaker 3: and we can even though we don't have the metadata

1:33:33 Speaker 3: so we don't know what times these were taken, you

1:33:35 Speaker 3: can roughly say that this was about the same time

1:33:38 Speaker 3: because the flares are about this about the same distance

1:33:41 Speaker 3: from the five light formation. So if if so, that's

1:33:46 Speaker 3: the case, you can see there's a difference in orientation

1:33:50 Speaker 3: of the lights like here, I'll bring it up maybe

1:33:54 Speaker 3: a little closer there, right, Yeah, two different I think

1:34:01 Speaker 3: it's something like two hundred or three hundred yards away

1:34:05 Speaker 3: from each other.

1:34:06 Speaker 2: But taken almost almost at the same exact time.

1:34:11 Speaker 3: Yes, because we can tell that because of the two flares,

1:34:16 Speaker 3: they were launched at that same time. So to me,

1:34:19 Speaker 3: this proves that this object was pretty close close up

1:34:23 Speaker 3: because it was really like miles away in the distance.

1:34:27 Speaker 3: Changing it, you know, one hundred and two hundred yards

1:34:29 Speaker 3: to the left or the right would not change the

1:34:31 Speaker 3: configuration of the lights like this. So this thing was close.

1:34:36 Speaker 3: This thing was close.

1:34:38 Speaker 11: Yeah.

1:34:39 Speaker 2: What really throws me is in that picture on the right,

1:34:44 Speaker 2: the it almost looks like it's Oh, I guess I

1:34:51 Speaker 2: can't tell from orientation, but I was going to say,

1:34:56 Speaker 2: it looks like it's it's like you said earlier, like

1:35:00 Speaker 2: it's turning or responding to the flares, and the response

1:35:07 Speaker 2: like it went from us, it went from this to

1:35:09 Speaker 2: this to almost like move out of the way, get

1:35:14 Speaker 2: out of you know, to move okay, you know, the

1:35:17 Speaker 2: gig's up, let's go, you know. And it turned and

1:35:21 Speaker 2: then took off.

1:35:23 Speaker 3: I would say I would push back on the fact

1:35:25 Speaker 3: that it was turning. I don't think it was turning.

1:35:27 Speaker 3: I think let's just assume that both of these photos

1:35:30 Speaker 3: were taken at the exact same second, right, We'll just

1:35:34 Speaker 3: assume that. If that's the case, the change in in

1:35:39 Speaker 3: configuration or angle means that the different perspectives caused that

1:35:46 Speaker 3: shit shift in what it looks like, not the actual

1:35:50 Speaker 3: object change moving, just the perspective change, so that it

1:35:55 Speaker 3: caused this change in angle. Gotcha, Does that make sense

1:36:02 Speaker 3: to you?

1:36:03 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it does. It does. And it definitely has

1:36:08 Speaker 2: a peculiar It might not be exactly a V, but uh,

1:36:15 Speaker 2: it definitely has that that that that that's that shape

1:36:20 Speaker 2: like similar to the phoenix lights.

1:36:23 Speaker 3: Yes, it does a V shape formation. And this is

1:36:28 Speaker 3: an enhanced version some filters applied to one of the photos.

1:36:32 Speaker 3: You can kind of you can kind of see the

1:36:34 Speaker 3: outline on this one. Some filters apply.

1:36:38 Speaker 2: What do you see the other one? So look on

1:36:43 Speaker 2: all the way to the left of the picture under

1:36:48 Speaker 2: the Yeah, I.

1:36:51 Speaker 3: Think that's from the power line. I think there's a

1:36:53 Speaker 3: power line coming. I lenk get the original.

1:36:58 Speaker 2: Oh maybe I was, yeah, because I was like, it's

1:37:01 Speaker 2: a similar purple.

1:37:04 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I do have the original here, so this

1:37:07 Speaker 3: is the original. So I think that was the power

1:37:13 Speaker 3: how uh, let me see like this right here? Is

1:37:18 Speaker 3: this what you're talking about?

1:37:20 Speaker 2: Yeah? How is that the power line?

1:37:22 Speaker 3: Well, you know how they have lines that go down

1:37:24 Speaker 3: to anchor the pole so it doesn't fall over. That's

1:37:28 Speaker 3: one of the This is like probably a cable going

1:37:31 Speaker 3: down like this.

1:37:32 Speaker 2: Okay, I'm a little color blind, so maybe I can't

1:37:35 Speaker 2: see as much detail as you. I can't see. I

1:37:40 Speaker 2: can't see the cable.

1:37:43 Speaker 3: It's okay, Yeah, I think that is a cable. I

1:37:45 Speaker 3: think there was only just that there was some flashing though,

1:37:48 Speaker 3: So let's let's maybe talk about the flashing. It was

1:37:52 Speaker 3: also observed. Let's see I slowed it down. Yeah, here

1:38:00 Speaker 3: we go, So in this video you should be able

1:38:07 Speaker 3: to see a flash to the left upper left of

1:38:10 Speaker 3: the five light formation right there.

1:38:18 Speaker 2: Oh ooh, ooh, what was that?

1:38:31 Speaker 3: Yeah, and even comments if you listen, it's still flashing.

1:38:37 Speaker 4: More lights around it.

1:38:39 Speaker 2: There's more lights around it. So again this brings this

1:38:43 Speaker 2: brings me back to that notion of remember, this is

1:38:48 Speaker 2: just twenty eleven iPhones. What we see with our eyes

1:38:54 Speaker 2: is much clearer, so they're probably seeing something again, just

1:39:04 Speaker 2: like I said that that has literally caught them off guard.

1:39:09 Speaker 3: Yeah, and there's also in this video there's flashing. I

1:39:16 Speaker 3: slowed it down, Bella, see that flash. We'll go ahead,

1:39:26 Speaker 3: We'll do it again to the left of the flares,

1:39:27 Speaker 3: the two bright flares, look to the left of it.

1:39:33 Speaker 3: But there was I'll bring it back right there.

1:39:39 Speaker 2: Oh yep, yep, I saw it. Huh, I missed it.

1:39:46 Speaker 3: But yeah, there's flashing in these videos. So that's another

1:39:50 Speaker 3: identified thing.

1:39:52 Speaker 2: That you know. That is another thing about I hate

1:39:56 Speaker 2: to keep bringing this up, but about the Phoenix Lights incident,

1:40:00 Speaker 2: people say there was the main V formation, but there

1:40:03 Speaker 2: was other smaller uh probes that were that basically came

1:40:09 Speaker 2: uh the assumed came out of the craft and we're

1:40:12 Speaker 2: exploring the area right obviously, that making that the quote

1:40:19 Speaker 2: unquote mothership.

1:40:21 Speaker 3: Yeah, we I mean, there's a whole host of possibilities

1:40:26 Speaker 3: of what those flashes. Yeah, they could be a smaller

1:40:29 Speaker 3: probe that they're launching out it. Also, it could be

1:40:32 Speaker 3: some sort of energy weapon. We don't even know. Maybe

1:40:36 Speaker 3: it was an energy weapon. It could have been. You know,

1:40:40 Speaker 3: those are the two things that come to my mind

1:40:42 Speaker 3: that what would cause you.

1:40:44 Speaker 2: Think you think that the military was was firing direct

1:40:48 Speaker 2: energy weapons. Potentially it's possible. Wow, wow, wow, that's that's.

1:41:00 Speaker 3: If you think about it, you know, I mean, I assume,

1:41:03 Speaker 3: I'm of the belief that we reverse engineered a lot

1:41:07 Speaker 3: of this technology already, and if that's the case, I

1:41:10 Speaker 3: think we have directed energy weapons as well. So if

1:41:13 Speaker 3: this was an et craft or a non non NHI craft,

1:41:18 Speaker 3: you might think that they might try to shoot it

1:41:20 Speaker 3: down with energy weapons. Oh god.

1:41:24 Speaker 2: See, And that's who gives them the fucking right, Who

1:41:30 Speaker 2: gives them the right to enter us into a what

1:41:34 Speaker 2: might be interplanetary war with a species that's shown so

1:41:40 Speaker 2: much more restraint then we have ever even dreamt of.

1:41:50 Speaker 2: Because if we are firing on these things regularly kinetically,

1:41:56 Speaker 2: and they're showing tremendous restraint.

1:42:00 Speaker 3: Yeah, we're lucky we're not a cinder.

1:42:03 Speaker 2: We're lucky we're able to have this conversation, because if

1:42:06 Speaker 2: they wanted to, it sounds like at this point they

1:42:10 Speaker 2: could literally end us within minutes. All they really have

1:42:14 Speaker 2: to do is direct an asteroid from the bell right,

1:42:18 Speaker 2: send it our way.

1:42:19 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, there's probably a hundred different ways they could

1:42:21 Speaker 3: totally wipe.

1:42:22 Speaker 2: Us off the planet and do it cleanly.

1:42:26 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, all right, So I think we've gone

1:42:29 Speaker 3: through most of the basic data acount. I'll kind of

1:42:32 Speaker 3: add some more context to this too.

1:42:34 Speaker 2: So yeah, let's do that. Let's do that, and then

1:42:38 Speaker 2: we'll wrap up for tonight.

1:42:40 Speaker 3: Okay, So this is the location Camp Wilson on the left,

1:42:45 Speaker 3: and it's in southern California. One of the big debunks

1:42:50 Speaker 3: coming from like Mick West and other people is that

1:42:52 Speaker 3: there's this training village about seventeen miles away from Camp Wilson,

1:42:57 Speaker 3: that there's some foy photos being associated with this location,

1:43:02 Speaker 3: but that's really far away, that's you know, quite a

1:43:05 Speaker 3: jaunt away. Videos went over that pictures, some more pictures, pictures.

1:43:12 Speaker 3: There's also a night vision photo. Maybe there's video associated

1:43:16 Speaker 3: with that. More pictures. This is actually two photos that

1:43:21 Speaker 3: are transposed upon each other.

1:43:23 Speaker 2: Okay, wait, because I was gonna say, wait, that's double

1:43:27 Speaker 2: ducker all of a sudden.

1:43:28 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I actually sent those are the two that

1:43:31 Speaker 3: I sent you that someone tried to transpose them over

1:43:34 Speaker 3: each other. Actually, I should have changed this slide now

1:43:37 Speaker 3: that I have the originals.

1:43:39 Speaker 2: Basically, what it's it's showing is that it is changed.

1:43:48 Speaker 2: Wait it's yeah, it's nineteen seconds apart.

1:43:53 Speaker 7: Yeah.

1:43:53 Speaker 3: Well, this is actually kind of kind of deceptive in

1:43:58 Speaker 3: the sense because we had two photos and guy walked

1:44:00 Speaker 3: quite a distance between the two photos, and so what

1:44:04 Speaker 3: we might be seeing is a perspective change rather than

1:44:08 Speaker 3: it actually changing an orientation.

1:44:11 Speaker 2: Okay, okay, guys out there scaling, So can you go

1:44:18 Speaker 2: back to what it would look like in the daylight?

1:44:21 Speaker 3: Yes, let's see if I know how to go back. Yeah,

1:44:25 Speaker 3: here we go.

1:44:26 Speaker 2: So this is that same area but in the daytime.

1:44:30 Speaker 3: Yep.

1:44:31 Speaker 2: So, as you can see, guys, it's a very very

1:44:40 Speaker 2: secluded area. So I'm wondering, so this is again we

1:44:45 Speaker 2: just Our last guest on the show was Robert Sallas

1:44:49 Speaker 2: of the Malstrom Air Force Base incident. You know that

1:44:53 Speaker 2: everybody knows where a UFO shut off ten nuclear missiles.

1:44:58 Speaker 2: So this is some thing that, you know, is cause

1:45:02 Speaker 2: for me to ask, why these vehicles of of of

1:45:08 Speaker 2: non human origin? Uh, what are they doing over our bases?

1:45:14 Speaker 3: I think that they were trying to kind of observe.

1:45:17 Speaker 3: I think that what they were doing, like I'm kind

1:45:20 Speaker 3: of the belief that these these beings can actually, you know,

1:45:23 Speaker 3: telepathically touch in with people. So maybe they were kind

1:45:26 Speaker 3: of like seeing like how many of the humans down here,

1:45:29 Speaker 3: you know, are aware that we're ets are even here yet.

1:45:32 Speaker 3: Maybe they're just kind of kind of kind of get

1:45:35 Speaker 3: gathering some data on that. But that's just speculation.

1:45:40 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean it's all speculation right now until

1:45:44 Speaker 2: further notice. So let's go through some of your other And.

1:45:50 Speaker 3: There was a ton of mainstream media coverage of this.

1:45:52 Speaker 3: I think a lot of people forgot, like all of

1:45:55 Speaker 3: these different mainstream news outlets covered this story.

1:45:59 Speaker 6: Yeah.

1:45:59 Speaker 2: Yeah, the Barol Yes, yep, bars, I'm from Boston, so barstools, uh,

1:46:09 Speaker 2: and I Heeart I Heeart covered it that those are

1:46:13 Speaker 2: two Boston companies. So interesting.

1:46:16 Speaker 3: So this was a big case when it first came out.

1:46:18 Speaker 3: Even though the you on Twitter and the UFO community,

1:46:22 Speaker 3: most of us just you know, said it was flares

1:46:24 Speaker 3: and moved on. The mainstream media really took this up

1:46:28 Speaker 3: because you listen to the audio. It's compelling, you know,

1:46:31 Speaker 3: for for the listener.

1:46:33 Speaker 2: Yeah, I am. I have a much different take on

1:46:36 Speaker 2: this now than I did before.

1:46:41 Speaker 3: This is kind of the Twitter response, you know, Mick

1:46:44 Speaker 3: West comes out, puts out, you know, he finds these

1:46:48 Speaker 3: videos of flares that look very similar.

1:46:51 Speaker 2: And like, well, let's I've had Mick. I've had Mick

1:46:58 Speaker 2: on the show. I've had John what John Greenwald. The

1:47:02 Speaker 2: only person I'll never have on the show is Steven

1:47:04 Speaker 2: green Street. I think he's trash. Yeah.

1:47:07 Speaker 3: No, I'm not exactly specifically criticizing these two because I

1:47:11 Speaker 3: think that they were these two guys kind of got

1:47:14 Speaker 3: caught up in a bigger cover up that they're not

1:47:16 Speaker 3: even aware of. And maybe because I've got a lot

1:47:20 Speaker 3: of for the Part two is all about my analysis

1:47:25 Speaker 3: and research by I think it was some sort of

1:47:28 Speaker 3: cover up or pre bunking operation, and that's going to

1:47:31 Speaker 3: take me a while to get through. So maybe you

1:47:33 Speaker 3: do you want to just wrap this part and just

1:47:35 Speaker 3: call it part one, and then maybe you have me

1:47:38 Speaker 3: back and talk about the the analysis or do you

1:47:41 Speaker 3: want to.

1:47:42 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fine, that's fine. So I would like to

1:47:47 Speaker 2: do a whole show about the the part two that, Yeah,

1:47:52 Speaker 2: we can do that. I think that's a good idea

1:47:55 Speaker 2: because we are already at almost two hours. So okay,

1:48:00 Speaker 2: this is You've opened my eyes to this this case.

1:48:05 Speaker 2: I really did pass it over and I feel like

1:48:07 Speaker 2: an idiot. But like you said, this case, I don't

1:48:12 Speaker 2: think they timed it well. If they released this today

1:48:17 Speaker 2: or or like a week ago, I think this would

1:48:21 Speaker 2: have hit much different. I think, much much different, because

1:48:29 Speaker 2: right now the community is starving for something like like

1:48:32 Speaker 2: this and and a good case to dig into. So

1:48:37 Speaker 2: I think the timing that they dropped it on you know,

1:48:40 Speaker 2: I know they had weaponized and you know they wanted

1:48:43 Speaker 2: to use that platform to do all that stuff and

1:48:47 Speaker 2: give it a test run to see if it was

1:48:49 Speaker 2: a profitable podcast, which I think they deemed it was

1:48:54 Speaker 2: because it obviously was. But this this case, there's so

1:49:03 Speaker 2: much more to it than I thought, and the witness

1:49:07 Speaker 2: testimony I think I think goes even further than just

1:49:10 Speaker 2: to light the pictures and videos themselves.

1:49:14 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you can just hear it in their

1:49:16 Speaker 3: voices that they're sincere. You know, they're not making I

1:49:19 Speaker 3: can just like they're not joking around, you can. You

1:49:23 Speaker 3: can hear it by the tone and everything. And I

1:49:28 Speaker 3: really I hope we can work together and try to

1:49:30 Speaker 3: get some of these witnesses on I love to hear

1:49:32 Speaker 3: from and maybe get some more witnesses.

1:49:36 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's my new goal is to to to

1:49:40 Speaker 2: try to I am very intrigued and I want to know.

1:49:44 Speaker 2: I want to get I want more videos, I want

1:49:48 Speaker 2: more evidence. So if again, if by chance you are

1:49:55 Speaker 2: a witness or witnessed this and twenty nine BOMs on

1:50:01 Speaker 2: what day? Was it again?

1:50:03 Speaker 3: April twentieth? For twenty Oh my god, that's another thing.

1:50:08 Speaker 3: I think it was et I think they have a

1:50:09 Speaker 3: sense of humor too.

1:50:11 Speaker 2: Was it for twenty or for twenty one? For twenty okay,

1:50:17 Speaker 2: so for twenty twenty twenty one. Yes, if you were

1:50:22 Speaker 2: a part of that and you saw that craft, you

1:50:24 Speaker 2: have any footage or if you have any evidence or

1:50:27 Speaker 2: testimony that you'd like to give, definitely reach out. My

1:50:30 Speaker 2: email is always in the description of video. But Arthur,

1:50:35 Speaker 2: you've been really digging into this case. How can people

1:50:38 Speaker 2: get hold of you.

1:50:40 Speaker 3: Well, I'm on Twitter x ex caliber three three three

1:50:45 Speaker 3: on Twitter, and I also have a YouTube channel, a

1:50:49 Speaker 3: small YouTube channel, so it's Truth Coalition on YouTube. You

1:50:53 Speaker 3: can find me there and there's I put my email

1:50:56 Speaker 3: there too.

1:50:58 Speaker 2: Okay, right, subscribe and subscribe and and and and and

1:51:02 Speaker 2: follow them on x. I keep calling it Twitter. I

1:51:06 Speaker 2: don't think I can get used to it. Did you

1:51:08 Speaker 2: see the did you see what happened last night?

1:51:13 Speaker 3: I'm not sure what you're talking about with the the

1:51:17 Speaker 3: Trump and uh oh the yeah, the Twitter space with

1:51:22 Speaker 3: Trump and yeah, but but the attack that took place

1:51:25 Speaker 3: on it, Yeah, the d D D O S attack

1:51:30 Speaker 3: the deep man?

1:51:32 Speaker 2: Who knows? Who knows that? Although we know that the

1:51:36 Speaker 2: European Union and the White House both asked Elon or

1:51:42 Speaker 2: nudged Elon into, you know, making sure that the conversation

1:51:49 Speaker 2: state factual, so very interesting stuff.

1:51:54 Speaker 3: But they're afraid of bypassing mainstream media.

1:51:58 Speaker 6: You know.

1:51:59 Speaker 2: Well, I think, well what I said was, I think

1:52:02 Speaker 2: last night was a demonstration that legacy media has been

1:52:07 Speaker 2: fearing for a while, and that was they were completely

1:52:12 Speaker 2: cut out of the headlines last night, completely cut out,

1:52:18 Speaker 2: absolutely cut out. And last time I looked that was

1:52:22 Speaker 2: out twenty four million listens. That was this morning. I

1:52:27 Speaker 2: can't even imagine what it's at right now. By week's end,

1:52:31 Speaker 2: that'll be at one hundred million listens. That's more than

1:52:34 Speaker 2: CNN does and god knows how many shows. Now, legacy

1:52:40 Speaker 2: media is dying and we are pushing forward with this

1:52:45 Speaker 2: new virtual world of social media, and people are getting

1:52:50 Speaker 2: their news and not the news anymore. So you know,

1:52:55 Speaker 2: there is a discrepancy there. But this case, this, this case,

1:53:00 Speaker 2: but this The reason I'll bring it up is is

1:53:03 Speaker 2: you're very advocate about your your pro Trump stance.

1:53:06 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's important that we try to mobilize

1:53:10 Speaker 3: a political movement behind UAP disclosure. I mean, I am

1:53:14 Speaker 3: on the right with you know, MAGA and Trump, but

1:53:16 Speaker 3: I'd also like to see, you know, people on the

1:53:18 Speaker 3: left do the same thing because really, if you look

1:53:21 Speaker 3: in history, all the major activism movements of whether it's

1:53:24 Speaker 3: civil rights, whether it's women's suffrage, they all organized and

1:53:29 Speaker 3: they all did it politically through a political party. So

1:53:33 Speaker 3: we need to, you know, we need to get our

1:53:35 Speaker 3: political parties and we need to you know, ask these

1:53:38 Speaker 3: you know, force them to do what we want. Because

1:53:40 Speaker 3: I think Congress is where this is going to start.

1:53:43 Speaker 3: We need more hearings. That's I think the most important thing.

1:53:46 Speaker 3: We get more hearings, more than the legislation, more than

1:53:49 Speaker 3: anything else. I think we need more hearings and then

1:53:53 Speaker 3: eventually the president needs to come out and say something.

1:53:56 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think more hearings. I've had Tim Burchett

1:54:01 Speaker 2: on the show. I think more imining there. I think

1:54:06 Speaker 2: they're they're they're imminent, and it's just right now is

1:54:12 Speaker 2: the political landscape. It's just not something that's gonna happen

1:54:17 Speaker 2: right now, but I think, uh, they're eyeing October if

1:54:22 Speaker 2: that's the last I heard.

1:54:23 Speaker 5: So.

1:54:24 Speaker 11: Uh.

1:54:24 Speaker 2: With that being said, thank you so much Arthur for

1:54:27 Speaker 2: joining the show tonight. Uh, this is this is really fun.

1:54:31 Speaker 2: I had a lot of fun.

1:54:32 Speaker 14: Uh.

1:54:32 Speaker 2: You got me really interested in this in this case,

1:54:37 Speaker 2: and I want to thank everyone out there. Uh. We're

1:54:39 Speaker 2: at almost three hundred live viewers, uh, least of which

1:54:44 Speaker 2: on YouTube, which pisses me off, but that's just because

1:54:48 Speaker 2: YouTube sucks.

1:54:50 Speaker 3: And I want to come back and give you all

1:54:51 Speaker 3: my research on the cover up aspect of it.

1:54:54 Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's what I would saying. We'll bring you

1:54:56 Speaker 2: back for Part two. I think people want to hear

1:54:59 Speaker 2: more about this, and then we'll start seeking actual witnesses

1:55:03 Speaker 2: to this case. I'm gonna start doing that immediately, but

1:55:06 Speaker 2: I would like to hear from some people who actually

1:55:08 Speaker 2: saw this, and when we'll start talking about and we'll

1:55:13 Speaker 2: start talking about your your part two. So thank you

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