Robert Salas: The Malmstrom AFB UFO that Shut down US Nukes.
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Speaker 4: Let's get this intro just over with, right. I've never
Speaker 4: been more excited for a show in my life. One
Speaker 4: of the top people I've always wanted to talk to.
Speaker 4: Today I get the chance, and yeah, a little bit
Speaker 4: of nervous jitters, but that's okay. Today we're talking to
Speaker 4: Robert Sallas. Robert has an absolutely stellar, stellar career and
Speaker 4: as a graduate of the US Air Force Academy, he
Speaker 4: served seven years on active duty, worked as a weapons controller,
Speaker 4: flew target drones, commanded intercontinental ballistic missiles otherwise.
Speaker 8: Known as minute men, and in his time.
Speaker 4: He experienced one of the most notorious UFO incidents at
Speaker 4: any nuclear Air Force base. With that being said, let's
Speaker 4: welcome the man, the myth, the legend, Robert Salas. Robert,
Speaker 4: thank you again for being here today, and I'm so excited.
Speaker 4: I'm a little i haven't been nervous for a show
Speaker 4: in a while. I'm a little nervous.
Speaker 9: A little nerves are fine, Yeah, yeah, yeah, Toleran, it's
Speaker 9: great to be with you. I love your excitement about
Speaker 9: this subject, and of course I'm eager to answer any
Speaker 9: questions you may have about my incident and other related
Speaker 9: topics that may come up happy to be here.
Speaker 8: Yeah. Well, well, I think one of the first things
Speaker 8: that we should get out of the way is who
Speaker 8: is Robert Sallas? Know what Robert Dallas?
Speaker 4: Before joining the military, you know what made you choose
Speaker 4: that career path, what motivated you and and why?
Speaker 9: Well, to be honest, uh, I was looking for ways
Speaker 9: to get into college and my parents didn't have the
Speaker 9: resources to send me to college. So I applied to
Speaker 9: my congressman to be considered for an appointment to one
Speaker 9: of the military academies, and and of course the Air
Speaker 9: Force Academy was uh my first choice. My uh some
Speaker 9: of my uh uh my uncles were in World War two,
Speaker 9: fund World War two. One it was in the Pacific,
Speaker 9: the other in uh in Europe, and uh so that
Speaker 9: was a motivation there to enter the service and get
Speaker 9: my college degree at the same time.
Speaker 4: So when going through that process, uh, you know, did
Speaker 4: you did you ever see yourself uh becoming the person
Speaker 4: with the hand on the key for the nuclear arsenal.
Speaker 9: No, honestly, that was not my one of my goals.
Speaker 9: Uh So that just happened, uh during circumstances and assignments
Speaker 9: that were offered at the time. Uh. So no, that
Speaker 9: was not an objective.
Speaker 4: So I would have to Now this is just me
Speaker 4: assuming you would have to be of not only the
Speaker 4: top caliber, but among the top caliber of the top caliber.
Speaker 4: As far as mentality constraint, uh, mental awareness, situational awareness?
Speaker 8: What what were the uh prerequisites for a role that
Speaker 8: you would eventually accept as a launch commander?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 9: Well, I know we were evaluated before selected for this
Speaker 9: kind of duty, but I don't know the details. I
Speaker 9: was not made aware how they made that evaluation.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 9: But so I really can't answer that question in detail.
Speaker 9: I simply don't know what criteria they is to select
Speaker 9: us for this sort of duty.
Speaker 8: So that's that's kind of not I don't know if
Speaker 8: it's troubling. I don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't think it would be troubling. But is it
Speaker 4: safe to say though, that you would need to be now,
Speaker 4: I mean, you would need to have scored a certain
Speaker 4: proficient you know, a certain score, have a certain background,
Speaker 4: and you know, be of sound mind to be in
Speaker 4: a position where you know you're essentially safeguarding the world
Speaker 4: at that point. I mean in the US is arguably
Speaker 4: you know, the biggest superpower, and you know we dictate essentially,
Speaker 4: what is you know, the global atmosphere. So to be
Speaker 4: in that position, I just I would assume that there
Speaker 4: would be more of a of a selection process.
Speaker 7: So you're as I said, I think there was a
Speaker 7: process to evaluate those of us that went into uh uh.
Speaker 9: This kind of work and had this kind of responsibility.
Speaker 9: But I simply don't know those details. Certainly, I would
Speaker 9: think we'd have to be reliable and a committed to
Speaker 9: our jobs. And but you know, I'm struggling here because
Speaker 9: I simply don't know the criteria here.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's okay, it's okay, Well, you know what, let's
Speaker 4: just breath. You know, it doesn't really even matter to
Speaker 4: the context. But all right, so you go through, right,
Speaker 4: you get the job. Can you describe your role and
Speaker 4: your responsibilities at Malstroam Air Force Base and subsequently on
Speaker 4: the night of March fourteenth, nineteen sixty seven.
Speaker 9: Okay, I'll correct you on that date. It was March
Speaker 9: twenty fourth.
Speaker 8: That must have been a typo on my part, my dad.
Speaker 9: But so we were broken up into two man crews
Speaker 9: and we were sent out to what is called launch
Speaker 9: control facilities where we had the ability to monitor and
Speaker 9: of course launch missiles if given the order correctly, and
Speaker 9: that was our duty to maintain, make sure the missiles
Speaker 9: were ready to launch, and then to launch given them
Speaker 9: proper orders. We would go out to what's called a
Speaker 9: launch control for FACIA, but then there was something called
Speaker 9: a launch control center, which was sixty feet underground. We
Speaker 9: would go down in the elevator and we would be
Speaker 9: we would relieve the crew on duty and then we're
Speaker 9: locked in for twenty four hours until we were relieved
Speaker 9: the next day. And this was we had a little
Speaker 9: cot down there, so we took breaks from time to time,
Speaker 9: take a rest break. On the evening of March twenty fourth,
Speaker 9: nineteen sixty seven, I was in charge of the facility
Speaker 9: because my commander, whose name is Fred Mywald, he was
Speaker 9: later Colonel Mywald and he is now deceased. But on
Speaker 9: that evening he was taking a rest break and I
Speaker 9: was on duty in charge of the facility. So the
Speaker 9: first thing that happened was I get a call from
Speaker 9: my top side security guard. We had about six guards
Speaker 9: upstairs and they were used to of course monitor our
Speaker 9: particular facility, but they would also go out to the
Speaker 9: launch facilities where the missiles were actually located. The missiles
Speaker 9: were located approximately a mile or two away in a
Speaker 9: kind of a circle around this central point called the
Speaker 9: launch control center. Right, so, the main guard calls sometime
Speaker 9: in the evening hours. I can't tell you exact time.
Speaker 9: I don't recall other than that it was dark outside.
Speaker 9: Of course, we had no window into outside. We were
Speaker 9: sixty feet underground. We had no cameras up there at
Speaker 9: any rate. He reports that he's seeing strange lights in
Speaker 9: the sky, flying very fast, stopping on a dime, reversing course,
Speaker 9: making ninety degree turns. Things you've heard from other witnesses.
Speaker 9: But that's what he told me specifically, And he said
Speaker 9: he wanted to emphasize these are not airplanes, sir. I've
Speaker 9: never seen any airplane do with these lights are doing
Speaker 9: so and there was no engine noise, but it was
Speaker 9: these things were flying over our facility, and he just
Speaker 9: wanted to report it. I didn't quite know what to think.
Speaker 9: I may have mentioned, you mean like UFOs, because I
Speaker 9: think I did make that comment because we had had
Speaker 9: reports in the local great Falls Tribune newspaper. Great Falls,
Speaker 9: as were Monster Air Force Base is located about people
Speaker 9: reporting objects in the sky. So I was just joking, really,
Speaker 9: and his response was, well, all I can say is
Speaker 9: they're not aircraft. And I said, well, okay, well, thank
Speaker 9: you for your report, and we terminated the call. At
Speaker 9: that point, I didn't know what what else to do
Speaker 9: with it. I certainly wasn't going to report lights in
Speaker 9: the sky back to the base.
Speaker 8: So well, so when.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, what was your initial reaction when the
Speaker 4: flight security controller, you know, reported those unusual lights in
Speaker 4: the sky. Did you think this was I mean, in
Speaker 4: your head you had to have questioned, you know, could
Speaker 4: this be adverse?
Speaker 8: Adverse?
Speaker 9: Yeah? I thought it was a strange call. You know,
Speaker 9: their job was to secure the facility and maintain security,
Speaker 9: and so I think he was trying to alert me
Speaker 9: to something that could happen because of these lights nearby,
Speaker 9: but we didn't have enough information at that point. Now
Speaker 9: he calls back within minutes, maybe five ten minutes later,
Speaker 9: and starts screaming into the phone. I couldn't make sense
Speaker 9: of what he was saying, but he was obviously frightened.
Speaker 9: When I finally got him to calm down, he said
Speaker 9: that he's got all the guards pointing their weapons at
Speaker 9: this object. It's a glowing reddish orange polt seating light
Speaker 9: that is hovering just above the front gate, and scared
Speaker 9: to death, obviously frightened, and he wanted me to tell
Speaker 9: him what to do next. Of course, I was dumbfounded.
Speaker 9: I didn't know what to think. I knew he was serious,
Speaker 9: this was a serious report, and by the way, they
Speaker 9: had no ability to control things up the top side.
Speaker 9: So I told him something like make sure the secure
Speaker 9: facility is secure, and then he jumped in and said
Speaker 9: that one of the guards was injured, he had to go,
Speaker 9: and he hung up the phone. So I went to
Speaker 9: wake Mike. The first thing I did, actually, to be honest,
Speaker 9: was to look over at the status board that we
Speaker 9: had on the status of the missiles. We could tell
Speaker 9: if they were operational by lights that showed their status,
Speaker 9: and they were all green at that time. I went
Speaker 9: over to wake up my commander who was taking that
Speaker 9: rest break, and started to tell them about those phone calls.
Speaker 9: Then all of a sudden, we get some bells and
Speaker 9: whistles going off in the capsule, and we both look
Speaker 9: at the board, and sure enough, one of the missiles
Speaker 9: just went what we call no go condition. The light
Speaker 9: went from green, which is operational to red, which is
Speaker 9: a no go condition. In other words, it could not
Speaker 9: be launched. And then very shortly after that, the rest
Speaker 9: of the missiles went down, and all this while this
Speaker 9: object was still up there. We went ahead and there
Speaker 9: were also a couple of the launch facilities where there
Speaker 9: was a potential incursion in the facility. In other words,
Speaker 9: we had indicator lights that told us if something or
Speaker 9: someone or something was trying to get into one of
Speaker 9: the launch facilities where the missiles were. We had to
Speaker 9: those facilities that indicated that. So we went through our checklist.
Speaker 9: My commander called the command post back at Great Falls
Speaker 9: or Mouse from Air Force Base, and I called upstairs
Speaker 9: to see what was going on up there and to
Speaker 9: report these incursion lights or indicators of potential incursion into
Speaker 9: two of the facilities, and ordered uh them to go
Speaker 9: out to those facilities. I asked about the object, uh
Speaker 9: the flight security controller, and he said had just flown off.
Speaker 9: Uh So, as I said, the object was above us
Speaker 9: at the time the missiles were disabled.
Speaker 8: Okay, so I have one I have I have a
Speaker 8: question now.
Speaker 4: After the second frantic phone call, I I I want
Speaker 4: to put I put a pin in two things that
Speaker 4: you said.
Speaker 8: One of the guards was injured.
Speaker 4: Now this is maybe inconsequential, but did you ever figure.
Speaker 8: Out what the injury was and was it related to
Speaker 8: what was happening?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 9: Uh. The next day, after we were relieved, I went
Speaker 9: up and talked to the guard, the pledge security controller,
Speaker 9: he's the main guard, and asked him about the man
Speaker 9: who had been injured all right, either the next morning
Speaker 9: or on that call I just told you about. And
Speaker 9: he said that the injury was due had something to
Speaker 9: do with his rifle or he tried to climb the fence.
Speaker 9: I'm not uh sure about that, and he wasn't sure
Speaker 9: the but he did cut his hand. It was not
Speaker 9: from the object itself that the injury occurred. He cut
Speaker 9: his hand, and they thought that the gash was big
Speaker 9: enough that he needed stitches, et cetera. So they had
Speaker 9: to send him back to the base, and they did
Speaker 9: to do that.
Speaker 4: But could it be safe to say that he was
Speaker 4: trying to get a better vantage point.
Speaker 8: Of this object? Who?
Speaker 4: I mean, who knows what he was really doing? I
Speaker 4: guess we'd have to ask him about that. But the
Speaker 4: second thing, now, when.
Speaker 9: When by the way, Tyler, I got confirmation by letter
Speaker 9: from a man who was part of the security squadron,
Speaker 9: and he had heard at the barracks. You know, they
Speaker 9: all stated the same barracks, yep, that that this did happen.
Speaker 9: The man was injured, but he heard both possible abilities.
Speaker 9: He didn't talk to the man himself, he had just
Speaker 9: turned scuttle but back at the base that it was
Speaker 9: a cut on his hand, and it could have been
Speaker 9: from some mishandling of his rifle. Or we had barboi
Speaker 9: around the perimeter of the facility, so he might have
Speaker 9: cut his hand on that barboir. Now, other than that,
Speaker 9: I cannot provide any details. I have never been able
Speaker 9: to contact any of these individuals. They did call me
Speaker 9: the next day. I don't know how they got my
Speaker 9: home phone, but they one of them called me and
Speaker 9: and they were begging me to come talk to them,
Speaker 9: and I really wanted to talk to them, but I
Speaker 9: had to say no, I could not because I had
Speaker 9: already signed a non disclosure agreement at that time never
Speaker 9: to talk about the incident again to them or anyone else.
Speaker 4: And and that's something that you did for twenty seven years.
Speaker 4: But I want to go back. We'll get to that
Speaker 4: when and when you say the nuclear weapons or the
Speaker 4: icbm's minute, men went into.
Speaker 8: No A, no go. What does that exactly mean?
Speaker 4: And I know that these these weapons, they are not
Speaker 4: connected to each other, so it's it's almost like a safeguard,
Speaker 4: so that if one does go down, that the rest
Speaker 4: are not affected. So I guess their confusion lies in
Speaker 4: were these weapons rendered operation operationally unlaunchable or did they
Speaker 4: just go into like a standby.
Speaker 9: No, they were not in standby. I forgot to mention
Speaker 9: that one of the first things we did was check.
Speaker 9: We had something called VERSA. It was a voice activated
Speaker 9: system that would give us information on the status of
Speaker 9: the missile, and we were able to check each missile separately.
Speaker 9: But they were all this VERSA was all reading a
Speaker 9: guidance in control system failure. So all of them had
Speaker 9: been And to answer your question, no go simply means
Speaker 9: that they were unlaunchable. They said they were not operational,
Speaker 9: they could not be used.
Speaker 4: So if the president were to call right and Russia,
Speaker 4: you know, was messing around, You're saying that those weapons
Speaker 4: would not have been able to be.
Speaker 8: Utilized by our northern by our command.
Speaker 9: That's correct, okay, And.
Speaker 8: In your experience. Is there anything.
Speaker 4: Or any other situation prior to this day, the twenty fourth.
Speaker 8: I'm sorry, I.
Speaker 4: Must have typoed that that this had ever happened before.
Speaker 9: Not to my knowledge at that point. However, as I mentioned,
Speaker 9: my commander called the wing command post to report our incident,
Speaker 9: and he was told that the same thing happened at
Speaker 9: another flight of missiles. Now, my commander told be this
Speaker 9: after he was finished with his call, and I thought
Speaker 9: at the time he met that evening, but in fact
Speaker 9: he was telling me about an incident that occurred eight
Speaker 9: days earlier, and that's called the Echo Flight incident. I
Speaker 9: was at Oscar Flight now, so we had the launch
Speaker 9: control facilities. We simply used letters of the alphabet to
Speaker 9: identify them, and they were basically cookie cutters of each other.
Speaker 9: You could hardly tell the difference between one or the
Speaker 9: other other than they were in different locations. But and
Speaker 9: I just wanted to make that point because later on
Speaker 9: I'll i'll mention why I was a little confused as
Speaker 9: to exactly where I was when I started researching this
Speaker 9: in earnest.
Speaker 4: Right, right, So, okay, so now we've established that because
Speaker 4: I have.
Speaker 8: That somewhere here that.
Speaker 4: OSA or or Special Investigation right.
Speaker 8: Had had put out I don't I don't know if
Speaker 8: it was after this incident.
Speaker 4: I don't have the date in front of me, but
Speaker 4: they'd put out essentially a memo saying that they were
Speaker 4: having incursions and it was specifically at our nuclear installations.
Speaker 4: So I'm just wondering if it was before or after.
Speaker 9: I'm not sure what document you're talking about. I've never
Speaker 9: seen any documents by a f O s I stating
Speaker 9: that they had incursions at nuclear facilities. If you've got
Speaker 9: such a document, I'd love to see it. I've never
Speaker 9: seen it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm gonna have to look into that one, because
Speaker 4: that is that because that that that was told to
Speaker 4: me my multiple multiple people, including Richard Dody of O
Speaker 4: s I.
Speaker 8: But again he is Rick Dody, and.
Speaker 4: You know, people see it both ways. But to go
Speaker 4: back to the incident, M.
Speaker 8: When what.
Speaker 4: I can't I can't imagine that there was a procedure
Speaker 4: in place for such an event. But what is there
Speaker 4: a procedure for a breach of a nuclear missile base?
Speaker 9: Okay, good question, I'll tell you what I think. Because
Speaker 9: of the circumstances. The next morning, after we were relieved
Speaker 9: by another crew. We were ordered to go to our
Speaker 9: squadron commander's office. There we met our squadron commander. I
Speaker 9: asked him if this was some sort of air force exercise.
Speaker 9: He said absolutely not. He was white as a sheet.
Speaker 9: He didn't know what had happened, but right away they
Speaker 9: had prepared a There was a man from AFOSI Air
Speaker 9: Force Office of Special Investigations in the office and they
Speaker 9: shoved the non disclosure statement in our faces and said
Speaker 9: sign here, h do you go ahead?
Speaker 4: I gotta ask you. Do you think that they do this?
Speaker 4: I mean you said it was the next day? Yes,
Speaker 4: do you think that there is a coordinated Now now
Speaker 4: I know we're kind of like skipping ahead, but do
Speaker 4: you think there is a coordinated effort by our government
Speaker 4: to not let these kind of incidents get out into
Speaker 4: the public. Because if you essentially admit that something can
Speaker 4: fly and turn off and on nuclear weapons es actually
Speaker 4: admitting that you're you're you're defenseless, you're prone, And the
Speaker 4: last thing a government wants to admit is that they
Speaker 4: can't protect their people, especially when it comes to this.
Speaker 4: So do you think that there's a coordinated effort to shut.
Speaker 8: You guys up.
Speaker 9: Absolutely no question.
Speaker 4: Okay, so OSI agents that showed up, do you recall
Speaker 4: any of their names?
Speaker 8: Do you recall any of them?
Speaker 9: No? Well, I asked for a copy of this NDA,
Speaker 9: and they wouldn't give me one, So I didn't even
Speaker 9: retain a copy. But I would think if government, if
Speaker 9: our government is serious about getting to the bottom of
Speaker 9: this particular incident, they could go to the Air Force
Speaker 9: Office of Special Investigations and asked for a copy of
Speaker 9: that NDA that I signed and other people have signed. Now,
Speaker 9: getting back to your question is to whether or not
Speaker 9: there was some procedure already established. I think there was
Speaker 9: because the Echo flight incident occurred on March sixteenth, and
Speaker 9: before that, the incident at mine Not Air Force Base
Speaker 9: in September of nineteen sixty six, which David Schindelli has
Speaker 9: testified to was a similar incident again UFOs overhead all
Speaker 9: ten missiles were shut down. So by March twenty fourth
Speaker 9: of sixty seven, I know at least two incidents that
Speaker 9: resulted in the same thing the Air Force and that's
Speaker 9: why they were prepared to deal with with my incident
Speaker 9: so quickly.
Speaker 4: That would be, like you said, so between mine Not
Speaker 4: and Malstrom. I mean, they did not want this to
Speaker 4: get out.
Speaker 8: So the NDA that they hit you with, Now, how
Speaker 8: long is that? Is that a lifetime? Bet so lifetime
Speaker 8: lifetime NBA? Yes, okay, okay?
Speaker 4: And why so why did you why after twenty seven
Speaker 4: years as you break.
Speaker 8: That that?
Speaker 9: Oh all right, let's go forward in time to nineteen
Speaker 9: ninety four. April of nineteen ninety four, I was in
Speaker 9: a bookstore in Seattle and happened to see a title
Speaker 9: that looked interesting. The title in the book was above
Speaker 9: Top Secret by Timothy Good. I picked the book up,
Speaker 9: opened it to page three hundred and one. Believe it
Speaker 9: or not, this is the truth. I just happened to
Speaker 9: open to the only page in the five hundred page
Speaker 9: book that talked about missiles being shut down at Melschrom
Speaker 9: Air Force Base in nineteen sixty six and in nineteen
Speaker 9: sixty seven. I was flabbergasted, but I was also excited
Speaker 9: because I thought, Wow, this is maybe the Air Force
Speaker 9: has declassified my incident, because this sounded a lawful lot
Speaker 9: like what I recalled I had experienced. Now again, this
Speaker 9: was some twenty seven years later, but of course that
Speaker 9: the memory of the incident itself had not faded, even though, well,
Speaker 9: I'll take that back, it faded, but I still remembered
Speaker 9: the fact that my missiles shut down during a UFO encounter.
Speaker 9: So let's go ahead.
Speaker 8: So, okay, I do. I'm gonna let.
Speaker 4: You finish that statement because I'm gonna bring I I
Speaker 4: do want to go back to the to the to
Speaker 4: the night that the missiles were disabled.
Speaker 9: Okay. So, like I said, I was very excited, and
Speaker 9: because it was in this book that was published, I
Speaker 9: jumped to the conclusion, literally jumped to the conclusion that
Speaker 9: the Air Force had declassified these incidents. So I went
Speaker 9: home and the first thing I did was to tell
Speaker 9: my wife, uh about my experience. Up to that point,
Speaker 9: I had not mentioned a word to her about it,
Speaker 9: of course, because I was following the requirement of my NDA.
Speaker 9: She happened to have a friend with her who was
Speaker 9: aware that there was a mof on organization mutual UFO
Speaker 9: network in Seattle and suggested I contact them. I did,
Speaker 9: and I asked for an investigator to help me submit
Speaker 9: a Freedom of Information Act request FOY request for more
Speaker 9: information about these incidents of my incident actually, which I
Speaker 9: thought was the Well anyway, I contacted a man by
Speaker 9: the name of James Klotz, and he agreed to help
Speaker 9: me submit FOY request, and actually he and a friend
Speaker 9: of his wrote up the request. I said, don't mention
Speaker 9: anything about UFOs. We don't want to spook the Air
Speaker 9: Force about that, So just mentioned the incidents that occurred
Speaker 9: in sixty seven. The actual article, I mean paragraph in
Speaker 9: the book said sixty six and sixty seven, so I
Speaker 9: specified sixty seven. The Air Force wrote back and said,
Speaker 9: you know this is classified. However, because the time has elapsed,
Speaker 9: we're going to declassify this incident. So they declassified what
Speaker 9: I referred to as the Echo Flight incident and started
Speaker 9: sending US documents. So when we received those documents, I
Speaker 9: I was so excited because I thought they had declassified
Speaker 9: the incident that I experienced. It turns out I was
Speaker 9: wrong about that. I was not an Echo flight, and
Speaker 9: it wasn't until two years later that I realized that
Speaker 9: was an OSCAR flight when I finally contacted my commander
Speaker 9: who was with me at the time, Fred Myrwald.
Speaker 8: Interesting, so at that point, at that point, I went public.
Speaker 9: I gave an interview to the Great Falls Tribune. They
Speaker 9: actually wrote up a front page article on it. I
Speaker 9: have a copy of that, and it was published on
Speaker 9: my birthday. Ah a coincidental in nineteen ninety six.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that was three years after I was born. Sir.
Speaker 9: Wow.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: Just to put it into perspective for you, how long
Speaker 4: that you've been fighting this? Uh so all right, So
Speaker 4: I'm gonna bring you back because I did. I did
Speaker 4: skip a couple of things that I wanted to ask.
Speaker 8: So can you detail the sequence of event events that
Speaker 8: led to the alarms indicating that all ten or up
Speaker 8: to ten or twelve I believe it's been said, Uh minute, man,
Speaker 8: nuclear ICBMs were disabled? So what what does that look
Speaker 8: like when that starts to happen?
Speaker 9: Like I said, when we heard the first horn go off,
Speaker 9: I was about to tell my world, my commander, that
Speaker 9: we had had these phone calls. But before I could
Speaker 9: even talk about those phone calls, we get a blast.
Speaker 9: It sounds like a horn you'd hear at a basketball game,
Speaker 9: you know, at halftime. Yeah, right, So we immediately recognized
Speaker 9: there was something wrong with one of our missiles. We
Speaker 9: looked over at the board and we could see that
Speaker 9: one of the launch facilities had gone from a green
Speaker 9: status to a red status or a no go and
Speaker 9: then the other missiles followed suit very quickly, one at
Speaker 9: a time. They went from green to red, and we
Speaker 9: wound up with all ten missiles disabled. There were never twelve,
Speaker 9: there were always.
Speaker 8: So it's ten.
Speaker 4: It's okay, all right, because I've I've heard both numbers,
Speaker 4: and I've always wanted to know which one was the real.
Speaker 8: Which one was the real number. So ten, Thank you
Speaker 8: for that.
Speaker 4: So, I mean, that's going to be that that in itself,
Speaker 4: seeing seeing something like that, being a part of something
Speaker 4: like that. When the most powerful, the most destructive uh
Speaker 4: uh technology and weaponry starts to just you know, one
Speaker 4: by one, click click click, go into you know, unlaunchable mode.
Speaker 4: I mean, your heart's going to be beaten at a
Speaker 4: million miles per per second. So what's going through your
Speaker 4: head at that moment?
Speaker 9: We're both pretty amazed. None of us have ever seen
Speaker 9: anything like that before or after. Uh I was there
Speaker 9: for three years, so is my world. And of course
Speaker 9: we went on duty at the missile sites about every
Speaker 9: three days, and we'd never seen more than one missile
Speaker 9: go down for any reason. And by the way, this
Speaker 9: was not a power loss. We never lost power to
Speaker 9: the missile sites or to ourselves. And one of the
Speaker 9: reports that I received states from the Air Force investigation
Speaker 9: that was ongoing that was an external signal that caused
Speaker 9: the shutdown of Echo Flight. I'm going to say our
Speaker 9: incident was very, very similar to the Echo Flight incident.
Speaker 9: And uh, the investigations that were done stated that there
Speaker 9: was no power loss at any time.
Speaker 8: Hmm.
Speaker 4: So God, it's it's I mean, I I just I
Speaker 4: can't even put myself.
Speaker 8: In that position. Uh, I just so I after an
Speaker 8: event like this takes place, is it?
Speaker 9: Uh?
Speaker 8: And and I know someone brought it.
Speaker 4: Up in the thread from uh the other day, and
Speaker 4: I wanted to bring it up because we we talked
Speaker 4: about it on the phone.
Speaker 8: So there was a question.
Speaker 4: Uh so the about the official account? So uh, this
Speaker 4: is from you you said you wanted to address it,
Speaker 4: and and from Osyrus or Jeremy McGowan.
Speaker 9: Yes, so he.
Speaker 4: Is in the chat. So I figure if we wanted
Speaker 4: to do this, we could do it now.
Speaker 8: That's fine, okay. So essentially what he is saying is
Speaker 8: I want to find the.
Speaker 4: Correct So what is the official count of the alleged
Speaker 4: U HAVE incident?
Speaker 8: Yeah? God, good Robert god Well.
Speaker 9: I think one of the questions he had was how
Speaker 9: long were the missiles down? And at one point he
Speaker 9: wrote that they were down for some forty seconds and
Speaker 9: then they came back up. That's not true, and the
Speaker 9: reason is because a guidance in control system failure requires
Speaker 9: maintenance people to go out there and reset the entire
Speaker 9: guidance system, which means they have to make sure that
Speaker 9: the targeting is correct. You know where the missiles are
Speaker 9: being targeted for, and that the missile orientation is correct.
Speaker 9: And so it's a involved procedure which takes people to
Speaker 9: go out there and and manually go through the process.
Speaker 9: There's no automatic reset of the missiles. We can't just
Speaker 9: push a button and reset everything like you do on
Speaker 9: your laptop. So I hope that clarifies that point.
Speaker 4: And so these were not So what you're saying is
Speaker 4: these were These were down for much longer.
Speaker 8: Now, how how long were these down?
Speaker 9: Well, of course we were relieved the next morning. When
Speaker 9: we were relieved all our missiles were still down. We
Speaker 9: had we did have, as I recall, UH maintenance people
Speaker 9: on the sites at that time, but the process was
Speaker 9: ongoing and it probably took a day there, so to
Speaker 9: get all the missiles back up on alert status.
Speaker 8: So they had to take this these this whole system apart,
Speaker 8: piece by piece, is what you're saying.
Speaker 9: No, No, there was no taking anything apart. And by
Speaker 9: the way, there was no damage to any of the
Speaker 9: missile equipment. Uh, it was simply Ah, I'll tell you
Speaker 9: what Boeing discovered. Boying had their own investigative team and
Speaker 9: they had taken a part called logic coupler to do
Speaker 9: a bench test, not on one of our missiles, but
Speaker 9: you know, a part they had back back at Boeing
Speaker 9: in Seattle, and they did a bench test and were
Speaker 9: able to have an intermittent fault signal injected, a signal
Speaker 9: injected at a particular voltage for a particular time. It
Speaker 9: was microseconds or milliseconds that resulted in this logic coupler
Speaker 9: flipping off or going offline, and that they consider may
Speaker 9: have caused the missiles to shut down, but in order.
Speaker 9: But it was an external signal, not an internal glitch
Speaker 9: or internal signal. So in order for that to happen,
Speaker 9: these objects, these UAPs would have had to send a
Speaker 9: signal through sixty feet of earth and concrete penetrate triply
Speaker 9: shielded cable systems one at a time, very quickly. They
Speaker 9: would go to this particular piece of hardware called the
Speaker 9: logic coupler, and that could have caused the guidance system
Speaker 9: to go offline intermittently and and result in the Nogo condition.
Speaker 8: Okay, okay, So how did the commanding officer.
Speaker 4: I believe it was first Lieutenant is it Frederick Frederick Mywald,
Speaker 4: my Wald, thank you, thank you? How did he respond
Speaker 4: to the unfolding of this whole situation when you woke
Speaker 4: him up?
Speaker 9: Uh? Well, you know, we were well trained, let's say,
Speaker 9: to react for any uh situations such as a missile
Speaker 9: going down in other words, getting a no go indication.
Speaker 8: Uh.
Speaker 9: We had trained for that, and so we were reacting professionally.
Speaker 9: I would say, Uh, we knew exactly what we had
Speaker 9: to do, and we had a checklist to do to
Speaker 9: go through and so there was no throwing up of
Speaker 9: hands or emotional upbursion like that.
Speaker 8: So there was no panic. But but top side, well.
Speaker 9: The top nick guards. You have to understand, they were
Speaker 9: standing there with their weapons drawn and looking at uh
Speaker 9: a red, orange glowing pulsating object. They didn't know what
Speaker 9: to expect from that. No one had ever seen anything
Speaker 9: like that before. They could have been, you know, blown
Speaker 9: to smithereens by some weapon that had who knows, but
Speaker 9: I can I can certainly understand why they would have
Speaker 9: been frightened.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like this absolutely so and and and so I
Speaker 4: feel like there was different different atmospheres below ground and
Speaker 4: above ground. Yes, and and and obviously you know you're,
Speaker 4: like you said, you have to take an elevator sixty.
Speaker 8: Stories down and you know if you're sixty.
Speaker 4: Yeah, sixty feet down, and you know you're there till
Speaker 4: till your relief comes. So the next day when when
Speaker 4: when you came up, and I know you said you
Speaker 4: didn't get to talk to many of the people, But
Speaker 4: in the time that is now since past, have you
Speaker 4: been able to reconnect with any of them and and
Speaker 4: kind of get a better better gauge on on on
Speaker 4: what the atmosphere was top side when the when the
Speaker 4: event was actually occurring.
Speaker 9: No, I'd never you know, I've tried to locate, uh
Speaker 9: uh some of them, but I've never been able to
Speaker 9: make contact with any of them. Uh. One of the
Speaker 9: Air Force techniques of keeping secrets like this is to
Speaker 9: disperse the way this is. And I'm sure a lot
Speaker 9: of these guys were dispersed to different assignments. They were
Speaker 9: all weapons trained, so since we had Vietnam going on
Speaker 9: at the time, there were many of them probably were
Speaker 9: sent to Vietnam.
Speaker 8: Right and then.
Speaker 4: And this is that is I'm so glad you brought
Speaker 4: that point up, because that's something that we don't It's
Speaker 4: not just Malmstrom that is evident of this, it's Ellsworth,
Speaker 4: an event that would take place some ten years later.
Speaker 4: They would do the same thing with Mario Woods the
Speaker 4: day after him and his partner who experienced the UFO.
Speaker 4: They shipped them off to different bases, to different assignments.
Speaker 4: And I can imagine that, like you said, this is
Speaker 4: a way of kind of separating everyone so that they
Speaker 4: no one can get a hear a picture of what
Speaker 4: actually took place.
Speaker 9: All right, And they wanted to stop any rumors of
Speaker 9: you know, progressing through the through the base about what
Speaker 9: had happened, right.
Speaker 4: And I mean were there rumors, yes, So I mean
Speaker 4: even though you did sign an NDA, people knew something happened,
Speaker 4: I mean went into no go. So it's safe to
Speaker 4: say that that's something that people would be aware of
Speaker 4: on a base that houses these kinds of things. So
Speaker 4: you know, did you did you get ridiculed or did
Speaker 4: you get looked at?
Speaker 8: No.
Speaker 9: We, of course, we couldn't talk to anybody about this,
Speaker 9: and nobody talked to us about it. In fact, I
Speaker 9: want to at that point too that even though our
Speaker 9: crews were briefed every time they went out on alert
Speaker 9: about the status of missiles, any problems in the field,
Speaker 9: you know, technical issues, et cetera, in the two years
Speaker 9: that I was there after the incident, I never heard
Speaker 9: any discussion about any of these two incidents, Echo or
Speaker 9: Oscar incident. The reason I mentioned rumors is because it
Speaker 9: was in one of the official documents that we received.
Speaker 9: It actually stated rumors of UFO around the time of
Speaker 9: the Echo flight shutdown were disproven. Now I don't know
Speaker 9: how they went about disproving a rumor. I actually wrote
Speaker 9: to the author of that document. It's called the Quarterly
Speaker 9: Report from the Wing to SEC Headquarters Strategic are Command Headquarters.
Speaker 9: We were required to write a quarterly review, and that
Speaker 9: man we wrote to him, the author of that report
Speaker 9: for this time period, asked him about this statement about
Speaker 9: rumors or UFOs and he said he never interviewed anybody
Speaker 9: that was indicating any rumors of UFOs. And he said
Speaker 9: there were times when you know, his commanders would change
Speaker 9: what he had written, and those times were the UFO
Speaker 9: history of the wing and those were his words, and
Speaker 9: some kind of morale problem. And the fighter squad We
Speaker 9: had a fighter squadron UH assigned a Malvestrom at the time.
Speaker 9: So basically he had indicated that there had been other
Speaker 9: UFO incidents at Malstrom.
Speaker 8: And I think the there's a there's there's overwhelming and
Speaker 8: and and it's and if you were finding that out
Speaker 8: then about previous then.
Speaker 4: Anything that came out the evidence that I've come across
Speaker 4: that happened two and regarding Malmstrom since UH, it just
Speaker 4: seems like it's it's a it's a real hot spot
Speaker 4: for for for UFOs or unidentified aerial phenomena.
Speaker 8: U had p S. What can I I would ask
Speaker 8: you a personal question in a way.
Speaker 4: At first, you said, you know that initial phone call
Speaker 4: you took, you can't. I don't want to say you
Speaker 4: were dismissive, but let let's just say that was your
Speaker 4: your your left brain or right brain, whichever the one is,
Speaker 4: is the one that thinks logic about logic, It was
Speaker 4: a one yeah, yeah, right, right, right, right, because left
Speaker 4: these are the only ones in their right mind.
Speaker 8: Yes, that makes sense.
Speaker 4: Yes, So it's after that the second phone call comes in.
Speaker 4: He's more panicked than the missiles. They start shutting off.
Speaker 4: I know you didn't see the ufhoe, But before this incident,
Speaker 4: before March twenty fourth, did you believe UFOs existed?
Speaker 9: You know, I had no opinion one way or the other.
Speaker 9: I had read the reports in the newspaper, like I said,
Speaker 9: and when we started researching this in earnest, I received
Speaker 9: copies of many days of reports of lights in the
Speaker 9: sky reported by farmers, ordinary citizens, et cetera. So I
Speaker 9: really didn't pay much attention to that. I was not
Speaker 9: interested in the subject per se. So that's about the
Speaker 9: best I can tell you. I was not focused on UFOs.
Speaker 8: So it's not like.
Speaker 4: Because a lot of people think that people make up
Speaker 4: these stories, you know, they're prone to fantasy.
Speaker 8: That kind of stuff.
Speaker 4: But it seems like number one, we can discount that
Speaker 4: by you having the job that you had, you would
Speaker 4: need to be of sound mind and so many other things.
Speaker 8: That that that would be out of the question.
Speaker 4: So your credibility is among what I would consider the
Speaker 4: top of the top in terms of like I said,
Speaker 4: in terms of credibility just in who you are. So
Speaker 4: but you also really didn't have an opinion nor care
Speaker 4: about the UFO issue prior. When did you become a believer? Well,
Speaker 4: that evening, that's what I was hoping.
Speaker 8: That's what I was hoping.
Speaker 9: You know again that evening the next day and onward.
Speaker 9: You know, I looked this guy in the face. When
Speaker 9: I went back upstairs the next day, I was relieved,
Speaker 9: we were relieved by another crew.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 9: I had to really force him to talk to me
Speaker 9: because they had already been told not to talk to
Speaker 9: anyone about what they had experienced. I think he never
Speaker 9: said that, but that's that was the impression I got.
Speaker 9: But I looked at this guy in the face, and
Speaker 9: you know, when you when you want to get the
Speaker 9: truth out of somebody, you look him in the eyes,
Speaker 9: and and you know when people are lying to you
Speaker 9: or telling the truth. But that was no question that
Speaker 9: what had happened top side. And like I said, I
Speaker 9: got confirmation about the injury later on in writing. But
Speaker 9: so I was a believer, then no question about it.
Speaker 9: And very interested, very curious as to just what had occurred.
Speaker 9: I confirmed that it was not an Air Force exercise
Speaker 9: with my commander, who was an old World War Two
Speaker 9: pilot through B seventeen's and I trusted implicitly. So it
Speaker 9: was difficult for me, i have to say, to keep
Speaker 9: that secret for twenty seven years, but I was able
Speaker 9: to do it, and very relieved and very eager to
Speaker 9: research this further after I thought the Air Force had
Speaker 9: declassified my incident. Now let me go back into that
Speaker 9: just a little bit. The reason that story was in
Speaker 9: above top secret is because a man by the name
Speaker 9: of Ray Fowler.
Speaker 8: Oh I know him, okay.
Speaker 9: So he happened to be working for Sylvania at the
Speaker 9: time on an electrical contract for the minute Man system,
Speaker 9: and he had people working for him at Malson Air
Speaker 9: Force Base who reported to him that the these UFO
Speaker 9: incidents did in were involved in the missile shutdowns. And
Speaker 9: Ray Fowler in turn reported to what was ongoing at
Speaker 9: the time, the Condon investigation, Yeah, the Condon report, Yeah,
Speaker 9: And that was ongoing at that time. It started in
Speaker 9: sixty six and ended in sixty eight. And so the
Speaker 9: I've got all this written up in my recent book. Anyway,
Speaker 9: I've got all these details written up in books I.
Speaker 4: Have written, But yeah, I have all of so for
Speaker 4: anyone watching or listening in the future, all of the
Speaker 4: links for Robert are below in the description, So if
Speaker 4: you want to read any of his work or follow
Speaker 4: up with it, I have all of his links below.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I've got a YouTube channel under Bob Solace or
Speaker 9: Giant had three And I've also got a website called
Speaker 9: Spiral Galaxy dot or or g where you can link
Speaker 9: to a lot of the recordings. I've got recordings when
Speaker 9: I spoke with my commander and also the man who
Speaker 9: commanded the Echo flight at the time of his incident.
Speaker 9: And I've got copies of some of the documents I
Speaker 9: received from the Air Force. But anyway, the Air Force
Speaker 9: was anxious, very anxious about getting a clean bill of
Speaker 9: health from the content investigators so that they could get
Speaker 9: out of reporting UFO incidents to the public and having
Speaker 9: to explain to the public exactly what this was all about.
Speaker 9: And so they've been over backwards. In fact, they lied
Speaker 9: to each other officially, and I've got that documented work.
Speaker 4: It was a travesty, I mean, it was a joke
Speaker 4: in itself. It's almost it's almost laughable to suggest that
Speaker 4: that that that that I don't we don't have to
Speaker 4: go there.
Speaker 6: Right now, but we will get there, Uh when we
Speaker 6: talk about Aaron and and your how your submission. But
Speaker 6: we'll stay here for now. But I want to finish
Speaker 6: your statement.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I just wanted to mention that Follower reported what
Speaker 9: he knew. He gave him phone numbers and names, et
Speaker 9: cetera to the Condon investigator. The kind of investigator went
Speaker 9: to Malstrom to check on on what Follower had told him, uh,
Speaker 9: and got, you know, stonewalled. And so the two incidents
Speaker 9: I'm talking about Echo and Oscar Malstrom in sixty seven
Speaker 9: were never included in any way in the final Condon report.
Speaker 9: When Followers saw that published report, he was livid. He
Speaker 9: was angry, angry enough to risk his job to give
Speaker 9: an interview to the Christian Science Monitor. And I think
Speaker 9: it was seventy three, if I'm not mistaken at any rate,
Speaker 9: the Christian Science Monitor published Follower's statements about the incidents,
Speaker 9: and that is what resulted in those reports getting into
Speaker 9: above Timothy Goods book Above Top Secret. That's how it
Speaker 9: got published. And so when I thought when I assumed
Speaker 9: that the Air Force had declassified it, I was incorrect.
Speaker 9: The Air Force had to declassified it even though it
Speaker 9: was published in this book.
Speaker 8: But did you do your due diligence? Did you? Then?
Speaker 8: You know, go, I don't know when.
Speaker 9: My due diligence was to write to the Air Force
Speaker 9: and under the Freedom of Information Act requests documents about
Speaker 9: the incidents that were published in this book.
Speaker 8: That's right, Okay, Okay, that's right.
Speaker 9: And the Air Force wrote back said this was classified.
Speaker 9: However they were they were now going to declassify that
Speaker 9: incident and send me documents which they have.
Speaker 8: Okay, if you could send me those documents, I love them.
Speaker 9: Well, there are a lot of documents. You can see
Speaker 9: many of them as an appendix to my book Faded Giant,
Speaker 9: which is available on Amazon linked below. Okay, but uh yeah,
Speaker 9: so most of those documents are in there, if not
Speaker 9: all important, the important ones are in there out Okay.
Speaker 4: So, so you you're you're now you you you're you're,
Speaker 4: you're a.
Speaker 8: Believer in the UFO phenomenon.
Speaker 4: So I want to I want to make sure that
Speaker 4: we get to everything tonight or today. But I just
Speaker 4: really go back one more time two the night in question,
Speaker 4: and that is to say, uh, I'm sorry, I just
Speaker 4: I just had like.
Speaker 8: A a a complete funk. So after.
Speaker 9: It's called a brain fart.
Speaker 4: Yes, that's yeah, I'm going through it right now, so.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, and it's live. So I got to cut
Speaker 8: this out of the edited, edited version.
Speaker 4: Uh so, the so just to be clear, what were
Speaker 4: the findings of the Air Force Office of Special Investigations
Speaker 4: And they instructed you to handle it by obviously signing
Speaker 4: the n d A.
Speaker 8: But uh you're saying that their official position was that
Speaker 8: this never happened.
Speaker 9: Uh No. I walked into my squad commander's office, I
Speaker 9: was handed this NDA document is signed by the man
Speaker 9: who was there from a f O s I. He
Speaker 9: introduced himself as Captain SO and so from a FO
Speaker 9: s I. We wanted to discuss what had happened with them.
Speaker 9: We thought that that's why they invited us in. But
Speaker 9: it seemed like they didn't necessarily want to talk about it.
Speaker 9: So the a f O s I didn't take a
Speaker 9: position on what had happened. They simply said, we specifically
Speaker 9: mentioned the fact that you cannot speak about this to
Speaker 9: anyone ever. Sign here and that that was about That's
Speaker 9: about the way the com conversation went. So they never
Speaker 9: gave me any kind of bottom line about this incident
Speaker 9: other than you, my commander, telling me it was not
Speaker 9: an Air Force exercise.
Speaker 8: And okay, oh my god, thank you, thank.
Speaker 4: You, you you you.
Speaker 8: Unclouded my brain. Robert.
Speaker 4: So, I've talked to so many military uh with witnesses
Speaker 4: from two thousand and four, the USS Nimics incident, on
Speaker 4: so many other other military personnel than on this show. Now,
Speaker 4: if there's one thing that I've learned in that time is,
Speaker 4: especially with the Navy, if they are performing exercises, the
Speaker 4: number one.
Speaker 8: Rule is safety.
Speaker 4: Now, can you one one hundred percent say with certainty
Speaker 4: this was not a test by some sort of US
Speaker 4: intelligence or the US government or the US military on
Speaker 4: its own strategic basis to test your reaction.
Speaker 9: Well, let me answer that in a couple of ways.
Speaker 9: One of the first documents we received was a telegram
Speaker 9: from Strategic Air Command Headquarters announcing that the Echo flight
Speaker 9: incident occurred on March sixteenth, and they admitted that they
Speaker 9: had no idea why this had happened. It's in the
Speaker 9: telegram and the fact that they didn't know. What had
Speaker 9: happened was of grave concern. That's the words on the telegram,
Speaker 9: grave concern to this command. If it had been an
Speaker 9: air force exercise, it would have so stated. Again, my
Speaker 9: commander confirmed that it was not any kind of an
Speaker 9: air force exercise. I mean, we're talking about operational weapons.
Speaker 9: You mentioned the fact that these could not once they
Speaker 9: were disabled, could not be used if given the order,
Speaker 9: you know, to launch missiles. So is general policy for
Speaker 9: our military not to uh, you know, disable their capabilities
Speaker 9: of response to a potential attack by disabling their own,
Speaker 9: you know, their own weapons. So that's about the best
Speaker 9: I can say is with regard to why I'm convinced that, no,
Speaker 9: it was not any kind of an exercise. This was
Speaker 9: a real event. We were not notified before or after
Speaker 9: that it was some sort of an exercise.
Speaker 4: So again, just to reassure that notion, this was not
Speaker 4: some sort of clandestine operation that that was was operated
Speaker 4: on on you guys as a test, and I don't
Speaker 4: I never thought it was anyway, for all the reason
Speaker 4: you mentioned, right, taking your own nuclear missiles offline doesn't
Speaker 4: seem like a smart move, even if testing. So it
Speaker 4: just never added up for as a theory, but some
Speaker 4: have proposed it, and I think it's kind of irrational
Speaker 4: because I mean, I'm sure you know about the incident
Speaker 4: that happened in Russia where kind of the opposite happened,
Speaker 4: where they turned the weapons on instead of disabling them,
Speaker 4: they enabled them and put them into a ready like
Speaker 4: launch mode.
Speaker 9: That's right, Yeah, that's correct.
Speaker 8: So if I was you.
Speaker 4: And I was in Russia, or if I was at
Speaker 4: any of these nuclear bases where anything like this happened,
Speaker 4: the thought that would cross my mind is.
Speaker 9: They're not.
Speaker 8: They're not showing hostility in the sense of forceful nature.
Speaker 8: They must be sending a message, Robert, what is that message?
Speaker 9: Very simply, you humans are being very foolish by having
Speaker 9: these weapons that could literally destroy, if you know, went
Speaker 9: to World War three and launched them against each other,
Speaker 9: literally destroy every living thing on this planet. And I
Speaker 9: don't think anybody would disagree that we've got a multitude
Speaker 9: of very precious living things on this planet, the least
Speaker 9: of all humans. So yeah, I think it was a
Speaker 9: message to us to abolish nuclear weapons. And that's what
Speaker 9: I've been promoting, you know, all of my books, and
Speaker 9: you know I'm not saying that the US should abolish
Speaker 9: their weapons in laterally, it's that we can do it
Speaker 9: together as a process, and that process has been initiated
Speaker 9: in the past. I know that during the Obama administration,
Speaker 9: we signed a treaty what was it called that salt
Speaker 9: was anyway, we did sign a treaty with Russia to
Speaker 9: reduce the number of operational weapons and also work towards
Speaker 9: the abolishment of nuclear weapons. Yes, and the United Nations
Speaker 9: has also made a declaration very similar to that. But
Speaker 9: now with the conditions UH with Russia and the US UH,
Speaker 9: Russia is now no longer following that that.
Speaker 8: Treaty and the current geopolitical landscape is honestly it's terrifying,
Speaker 8: you know, from Russia and Ukraine down to UH, Israel
Speaker 8: and Hamas that war.
Speaker 9: There.
Speaker 4: There's there's just a lot going on right now and
Speaker 4: it just feels very tense and that we're one miscalculation,
Speaker 4: one misunderstanding, one bad reaction away from complete annihilation.
Speaker 9: Well, it's a very dangerous situation. We find ourselves in Iran,
Speaker 9: as you know, is threatening to attack Israel and in retaliation,
Speaker 9: and Iran has the capability of obtaining nuclear weapons. Very quickly.
Speaker 9: They have worked on en whiching their uranium. Uh, and
Speaker 9: have a certain amount of weapons grade enriched. Yeah. And now,
Speaker 9: and of course Israel is a nuclear power. They have
Speaker 9: nuclear weapons, although it hasn't been announced officially, but analysis
Speaker 9: I've seen for a long state that Israel does have
Speaker 9: nuclear weapons. And of course NATO has tactical nuclear weapons,
Speaker 9: where Russia has both tactical and strategic and they have
Speaker 9: threatened to use tactical to war in Ukraine. India and
Speaker 9: Pakistan are at war with each other over Kashmir, and
Speaker 9: they are both nuclear powers and could use nukes at
Speaker 9: any time. So once nukes are used again, you know,
Speaker 9: we were the last to use them during World War Two.
Speaker 9: But once these so called tactical or small nukes are
Speaker 9: used in any kind of a conflict, I think there
Speaker 9: would be a quick escalation of more countries wanting to
Speaker 9: obtain nuclear weapons.
Speaker 4: Well, well, don't you don't we have a use them
Speaker 4: or lose them policy?
Speaker 9: I'm sorry I say that again.
Speaker 8: Uh? Is it?
Speaker 4: It's my understanding that the United States has used them
Speaker 4: or lose them type of policy, in which not they
Speaker 4: would not just launch one weapon, they would launch all
Speaker 4: of them.
Speaker 9: Well, I don't know. I've never read a policy like that.
Speaker 9: What the policy I have read is it's called the
Speaker 9: Nuclear Posture Review. The last one that was done was
Speaker 9: I think twenty twenty two. But it is the nuclear
Speaker 9: deterrence or having a preponderance of nuclear weapons over our enemy,
Speaker 9: which in this case is Russia, is a baseline or
Speaker 9: absolute necessity for our policy of nuclear deterrence. And that's
Speaker 9: what we've established at this point. In other words, that
Speaker 9: is the basis of our national security. And now, first
Speaker 9: if you may be talking about first use, that's a
Speaker 9: very fuzzy issue, and that is if the US or Russia,
Speaker 9: Russia has the same kind of policy, thinks that we
Speaker 9: are about to be attacked with nuclear weapons, then we
Speaker 9: have the policy that we could launch to preclude such
Speaker 9: an attack.
Speaker 8: So that's like a preactive launch.
Speaker 9: A preaptive launch. Yeah, that's first use policy. Now, there's
Speaker 9: a lot of internal things that have to happen, but
Speaker 9: these are, like I said, they're kind of fuzzy policies,
Speaker 9: which goes back to your point earlier, that is that
Speaker 9: we could have a third World war by accident, similar
Speaker 9: to other wars that we've been engaged in. Misunderstandings or
Speaker 9: some incident that happened accidentally, et cetera.
Speaker 8: It really terrifies me.
Speaker 9: It is a terrifying situation. And that's why we should
Speaker 9: work hard. We should all work hard towards this abolishment
Speaker 9: of nuclear weapons, which we can do if we if
Speaker 9: we put our minds to it.
Speaker 8: I I truly do think that one day we will
Speaker 8: get there. I have hope for this this, I have
Speaker 8: hope for humanity. Now, a lot of people asked me
Speaker 8: behind the scenes, so there's something, there's something known as
Speaker 8: the hitchhiker effect. Now, I I'm not I'm not too
Speaker 8: privy on your experiences, and so this is new territory
Speaker 8: for me. But have you had any encounters with the phenomena?
Speaker 8: And I say phenomena because I do think we're dealing
Speaker 8: with multiple phenomena, not just a singular phenomenon. But have
Speaker 8: you had any experience with the phenomena after the incident
Speaker 8: at Malstrop?
Speaker 9: Yes?
Speaker 8: Okay, would you care to elaborate?
Speaker 9: Sure? I have actually written about this in two of
Speaker 9: my books, very briefly in nineteen eighty five, so this
Speaker 9: was some time after my incident, but prior to my
Speaker 9: going public on the mounsterm incidents. In nineteen eighty five,
Speaker 9: I was living in a particular house in the South
Speaker 9: Bay area of California here, and one evening I woke up.
Speaker 9: I was sleeping, of course, in the middle of the night.
Speaker 9: I woke up and noticed a blue light emanating from
Speaker 9: our living room. I woke my wife up, and this
Speaker 9: is my version. She's got a slightly different version. But
Speaker 9: I woke my wife up and asked her if she
Speaker 9: saw this blue light coming from our living room, which
Speaker 9: was strange because we know we knew we didn't have
Speaker 9: any blue lights in the house, and she acknowledged seeing
Speaker 9: this blue light, and I said, well, I'm gonna have
Speaker 9: to get up and investigate. We might have someone in
Speaker 9: the house. And of course, at that time, we had
Speaker 9: two small children living with us our home. I started
Speaker 9: to get up and couldn't because I became paralyzed. And
Speaker 9: I know people talk about sleep paralysis, but this wasn't.
Speaker 9: I recall fighting, fighting, fighting very hard to retrieve some
Speaker 9: ability to move my legs, my arms, et cetera. But
Speaker 9: I was having a very difficult time. I turned to
Speaker 9: ask my wife for help, and at this point she
Speaker 9: was unconscious, which is unusual because I had we had
Speaker 9: just agreed that there may be someone had broken into
Speaker 9: our house.
Speaker 8: So that's not something you just fall asleep over.
Speaker 9: No, no, my God, like I said, we had two
Speaker 9: small children also.
Speaker 4: And right right, and that that also tells me that
Speaker 4: this is not sleep proalysis, because you were able to
Speaker 4: wake her up and to move, and then all of
Speaker 4: a sudden you became restrained.
Speaker 9: Yes, So I was fighting this paralysis when I saw
Speaker 9: some one just in the doorway of our bedroom, and
Speaker 9: it had a hood on, so it had a dark hood.
Speaker 9: I could not make or I don't recall what the
Speaker 9: face looked like, or I couldn't make it out, or
Speaker 9: it was too dark. But of course that was frightening.
Speaker 9: And and then I started to relax a little bit.
Speaker 9: But then I not felt or sensed that there were
Speaker 9: other beings in the room, and these were small beings.
Speaker 9: I thought they were chill, childlike or children. But at
Speaker 9: that point I was lifted off the bed and I
Speaker 9: was floating towards a closed window that we had in
Speaker 9: the bedroom, and I thought, well, these are small, too
Speaker 9: small children. They I don't think they'll be able to
Speaker 9: reach the latch and open the window. But they didn't
Speaker 9: bother with that. They just took me right through the window.
Speaker 9: I know that sounds a little ridiculous, but this is
Speaker 9: what I recall. I've had four hypnotic regression sessions to
Speaker 9: recover these memories. But I went right through that window.
Speaker 9: There was no broken glass or anything.
Speaker 8: I've had so many people on this podcast that have
Speaker 8: said things, and that is that that's actually a very
Speaker 8: common theme. Is now my theory on this is, do
Speaker 8: you think that you could have been abducted astrally, so
Speaker 8: more or less your body remained in the in the
Speaker 8: position it was, but they took your astral form instead,
Speaker 8: and that's why you're able to pass your walls.
Speaker 9: Well, I don't again with my left brain here, I
Speaker 9: don't understand what astral means. So etheric body or a
Speaker 9: light body, you know, these are terms I've heard. I
Speaker 9: believe we all have souls, et cetera, but I can't
Speaker 9: explain how this happened.
Speaker 4: Okay, So basically what I'm saying is they abducted your soul, okay,
Speaker 4: and they took your essence from your body, so you
Speaker 4: remain you right, and that's how you're But but that's
Speaker 4: just my theory on how some of this induction might
Speaker 4: work if you know. But but I'm sorry, continue your
Speaker 4: your amazing.
Speaker 9: Well, let's just say it was a very strange experience.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 9: So the next thing I recall, or was able to recall,
Speaker 9: was being on this like an operating room table and
Speaker 9: being shown a long needle. I actually recall them holding
Speaker 9: or one of them, ah, holding this long needle. By long,
Speaker 9: I mean at least over a foot low. But they
Speaker 9: were holding this with long things and put it right
Speaker 9: in front of my eyes and communicated to me telepathically
Speaker 9: they were going to insert this needle into my growing area,
Speaker 9: but it wouldn't hurt. But when they started the procedure,
Speaker 9: it was extremely painful, and I never experienced that kind
Speaker 9: of pain in my life until then. So I communicated
Speaker 9: that to them, and the pain went away almost instantly,
Speaker 9: and so they continued whatever procedure they were doing. When
Speaker 9: they were finished, they sat me up on this table,
Speaker 9: escorted by two I guess you call them gray beans,
Speaker 9: although I don't remember exactly what they looked like, but
Speaker 9: there were two beings on either side of me, and
Speaker 9: I was floated over to a molded seating that they
Speaker 9: had molded inside the craft and sat there for a
Speaker 9: little while. I was taken to another cubicle then and
Speaker 9: the being there turned me around, poked two fingers down
Speaker 9: my spine, and then turned me back around. I was
Speaker 9: escorted out again, two beings on either side along a
Speaker 9: curve hallway, bright light, and I was back in my bed. Now.
Speaker 9: The next morning, neither my wife nor I recalled that
Speaker 9: that incident. The evening before, we didn't talk about it.
Speaker 9: I didn't say anything. Fast forward another twenty five later
Speaker 9: years at least, we were at a conference in Ireland
Speaker 9: and they had an experiencer up there talking about her experience,
Speaker 9: and she happened to mention a blue light engulfed her
Speaker 9: in her room, and that set something off. I turned
Speaker 9: to my wife, who was sitting next to me, I said,
Speaker 9: do you remember a blue light in our bedroom a
Speaker 9: long time ago? And she said, yes, yes I do,
Speaker 9: And that confirmed for me that this incident was real
Speaker 9: and that evening actually Mary Rodwell have to be speaking there.
Speaker 9: I don't know if you've heard of her.
Speaker 4: I've been trying to get her on the show for
Speaker 4: some time, but yeah, Mary, so Mary did was did
Speaker 4: she do your regression?
Speaker 9: She did the first regression. Oh, and I've heard two others.
Speaker 9: I've had two other regressions by Von Smith and another
Speaker 9: one by the name escapes me right now, but another individual. So,
Speaker 9: like I said, I've had four regression sessions, and.
Speaker 8: In all of them, in all the sessions, when you
Speaker 8: go back to the craft, is there is there any
Speaker 8: correlation between what happened at Malmstrom and why you are
Speaker 8: being taken from your bed.
Speaker 9: Well, again, there's probably many things I don't recall if
Speaker 9: I had any other interactions with the beings at the time,
Speaker 9: so I can't say for sure there's a direct connection. However,
Speaker 9: I've been speaking about this and committed to researching my
Speaker 9: incident for over thirty years, and I've even though I'm
Speaker 9: technically in violation of my NDA, I've been speaking about
Speaker 9: this openly all that time, and so I think I'm
Speaker 9: I've been, let's say, chosen to talk about this and
Speaker 9: give the message to the public about the nuclear weapons
Speaker 9: dangers and risks as a result of the incident I experienced,
Speaker 9: and there have been many, many, many others similar incidents
Speaker 9: at nuclear weapons bases and nuclear power plants.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it doesn't just for anyone listening. I want to
Speaker 8: get this very I want to cap off what Robert
Speaker 8: just said. This is not just our nuclear weapons facilities.
Speaker 8: This is also our nuclear power plants and anything nuclear related.
Speaker 8: So the ets or beings, any childe.
Speaker 4: Whatever you want to call it, Robert, there's some clear,
Speaker 4: clear correlation that we.
Speaker 8: Can draw and define. They have a clear.
Speaker 4: Vested interest in do you think this planet or is
Speaker 4: it more humanity?
Speaker 9: Well, a good question. I think it's both. I think
Speaker 9: they're interested in our evolution. I think they want to
Speaker 9: see us take the action to eliminate our nuclear weapons
Speaker 9: on our own. I don't think they want to interfere
Speaker 9: with what we're doing per se. However, they may have
Speaker 9: helped us along at times. Who knows a lot of questions.
Speaker 8: A lot a lot of questions, right, a lot and
Speaker 8: and so the so with the malves shouldn't.
Speaker 4: Uh case, it's it's it's so easy to default, right
Speaker 4: and to to correlate the lesson.
Speaker 8: Right, what is the lesson? It is shut down the
Speaker 8: nuclear weapons right because at any moment we can and
Speaker 8: we will. Right.
Speaker 4: It's like taking the the the matches from a baby,
Speaker 4: but then giving them back and saying, you know, be
Speaker 4: you know, be responsible, you know, you know you need
Speaker 4: to do this yourself. But just in case, Uh, you know,
Speaker 4: we are here, uh, and we are watching. And no
Speaker 4: matter what, no matter how powerful you think you are, yeah,
Speaker 4: you you pale in comparison.
Speaker 8: But what is the lesson from your abduction?
Speaker 9: Well that was kind of a more of a confirmation,
Speaker 9: ah uh that they are here. Also, the other lesson
Speaker 9: is they have objectives relative to us, and one of
Speaker 9: the objectives appears to be producing hybrids. For what reason
Speaker 9: is another big question, uh, but many experiences have talked
Speaker 9: about the fact that they are producing hybrids between themselves
Speaker 9: and humans. Another potential lesson is that they were here
Speaker 9: a long time ago and may have uh been involved
Speaker 9: in our evolutionary process for a long long time right.
Speaker 5: Right the the the they could be the missing link
Speaker 5: if you will, you know, it's it's I think.
Speaker 8: And why do you think? So you've given you gave
Speaker 8: testimony to ARROW, Am I am I correct? How How
Speaker 8: long was that? How did you deliver? So for anyone
Speaker 8: who didn't doesn't know, the ARROW office is it's set
Speaker 8: up and it's the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Offense.
Speaker 9: Uh.
Speaker 4: This is uh basically the Pentagon's away of sufficing the
Speaker 4: public's demand on UFOs. UH lately, you know, I've had
Speaker 4: timber Chet on the show, Danny she and Steve Bassett,
Speaker 4: all these people are involved in on that side of
Speaker 4: the things.
Speaker 9: Uh.
Speaker 8: But uh, how.
Speaker 9: Did you do it? Yeah? Before I get to that,
Speaker 9: just let me mention that in a recent newsletter from
Speaker 9: Danny shean UH representative Luna has stated that they want
Speaker 9: to have another hearing in the September October time frame.
Speaker 9: And so I don't know if you knew that your
Speaker 9: audience might be interested in keeping an eye out for that.
Speaker 8: Yes, I have.
Speaker 9: Not received my invitation to be a witness, but hopeful,
Speaker 9: still hopeful.
Speaker 4: Well if you're, if you're, if you do so, why
Speaker 4: that that's my whole thing is you know, with with
Speaker 4: this whole arrow process, and you know the ability to
Speaker 4: kind of come away from the n d A s
Speaker 4: and the securitios because I get it.
Speaker 8: Listen, you come from.
Speaker 4: A time where patriotism was a thing, right, you know,
Speaker 4: you know, pride for your nation, pride for your job,
Speaker 4: prideful to be an American.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 4: I think lately we're having UH an identity crisis.
Speaker 8: If you will ultimately, but I think we'll see the.
Speaker 4: Other side of this, but that back then, it was
Speaker 4: a different era. And I believe that's why you were
Speaker 4: able to keep your oath for so long, is because
Speaker 4: you were, you know, committed to country and and you
Speaker 4: know you're a man of your word. You signed the document.
Speaker 4: But there's twenty seven years, I mean, and no progress made,
Speaker 4: no effort that had to piss you off in some way.
Speaker 4: So I can see why you came forward.
Speaker 9: Well, I came forward. I'm committed to speaking out. I
Speaker 9: have been, like I said, for over thirty years. So
Speaker 9: in February of twenty twenty three, I was contacted by
Speaker 9: Errow and asked to give a presentation, which I did.
Speaker 9: I think it was the fifteenth of February of twenty
Speaker 9: twenty three. I was contacted by Errow telephone contact. I
Speaker 9: gave the presentation. It was over two hours, two hours plus.
Speaker 9: I had prepared PowerPoint presentation and I had prepared twenty
Speaker 9: two documents supporting the facts of my incident and the
Speaker 9: Echo incident. And when I was finished, I had one
Speaker 9: question for them. Would they check with the Air Force
Speaker 9: and confirm that these incidents did in fact occur? And
Speaker 9: they were UFO incidents, and I got the run around.
Speaker 9: They said, well, they tried on other cases but were
Speaker 9: not successful. Blah blah blah. It seems like there's even
Speaker 9: though AERO professes to have cooperation from other agencies, it
Speaker 9: seems like they're not getting that cooperation. And that may
Speaker 9: be one of the themes of this next hearing that
Speaker 9: Congress wants to see some progress made in getting more
Speaker 9: information out there. But I did receive letters from Aero
Speaker 9: after the fact stating that I had done a great
Speaker 9: job in my presentation and that it is now an
Speaker 9: official historical record, one of their records, which to me
Speaker 9: says that basically anyone in Congress can get access to
Speaker 9: all of my evidence, all of this testimony and the
Speaker 9: facts as they occurred, as I recalled them, and as
Speaker 9: I have research. So I thought that was a pretty
Speaker 9: significant acknowledgment by Errow. They even commented me to me
Speaker 9: how well I did with this, and even called me
Speaker 9: a patriot.
Speaker 4: Well, you are a patriot, I mean, there's no doubt
Speaker 4: about that, my friend. But with I mean, ultimately, I
Speaker 4: just I don't know how much Arrow is going to
Speaker 4: be able to deliver. But that's beside the point. Do
Speaker 4: you think that we'll ever truly get a disclosure?
Speaker 9: Let me just say I'm hopeful. Yeah, because we still
Speaker 9: have people in Congress that are very motivated to try
Speaker 9: and get some answers. If they continue to have the
Speaker 9: courage to invite UH witnesses UH two hearings, open hearings,
Speaker 9: and keep informing the public publicly with these hearings from
Speaker 9: these witnesses, I think that will go a long way
Speaker 9: to starting to crank open some of some of these secrets.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I really do, I really, really really hope.
Speaker 4: So, and I know Tim Burchett, you know uh Anna,
Speaker 4: Pauline A, Luna, Matt Yeates, even AOC all these people and.
Speaker 8: This is the only issue that seems to be bipartisan.
Speaker 4: So that's a good thing. Let's keep it that way
Speaker 4: because that's where it needs to be.
Speaker 8: This is not a political thing. This concerns every person
Speaker 8: on the face of the earth. Right, So in your experience,
Speaker 8: what do you think the agenda is? What is the endgame?
Speaker 9: Well, one thing we haven't talked about is I have
Speaker 9: written about and convinced that there is a let's say,
Speaker 9: very well organized, well funded, well organized group within government yeah,
Speaker 9: not only our government, but in other countries. I call
Speaker 9: them the UFO secrets ball that is committed to maintaining
Speaker 9: these secrets for whatever reason they may have, including greed,
Speaker 9: including power.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 9: They don't want these secrets released, and they're going to
Speaker 9: fight tooth and nail to keep them. And that's the
Speaker 9: kind of thing that and you hear you hear rumblings
Speaker 9: from some of these people in Congress and that there
Speaker 9: is a strong pushback within d O D in the
Speaker 9: intelligence community to maintain secrecy and right, so, we the
Speaker 9: public deserve the answers. We deserve to know what our
Speaker 9: government is doing, including whether or not they've already concluded
Speaker 9: the our visitors are the enemy and have have weaponry
Speaker 9: to shoot these objects out of the sky. Uh. I
Speaker 9: think we deserve to know that if that's.
Speaker 8: What yeh do you think? Do you think? Do you
Speaker 8: think Roswell happened?
Speaker 9: Absolutely, no question about it, no question, no question. There
Speaker 9: have been over three hundred witnesses that have come forward.
Speaker 9: We have we have affidavits from some of them. Uh.
Speaker 9: These are key witnesses, UH, some of them military.
Speaker 8: Uh.
Speaker 9: We have admitted to the events of Roswell.
Speaker 8: Uh.
Speaker 9: I think there's plenty of evidence, circumstantial evidence, of course,
Speaker 9: that it did happen.
Speaker 4: And and and in my the reason I bring up
Speaker 4: Roswell specifically is because it has a connection to nuclear
Speaker 4: as well.
Speaker 9: Five O nine.
Speaker 4: Uh you know, so the Roswell Army Airfield housed that
Speaker 4: that squadron, and it was the only nuclear power.
Speaker 8: Squadron, so it was a wing. But that's okay, sorry,
Speaker 8: Uh did I yeah?
Speaker 9: What is it called the five nine bomber wing?
Speaker 8: Sorry? Yes, thank you.
Speaker 9: They're the ones that dropped the bombomb Hiroshi.
Speaker 4: Yes, right, So, and that's what I've always said, is
Speaker 4: to think these guys mistook spaceship for weather balloon, sticks,
Speaker 4: tape and tinfoil. I mean, it was a bit outrageous, uh,
Speaker 4: to say the least. And it seems like the government,
Speaker 4: uh the or like you said, and like Daniel in
Speaker 4: a way, you know, in his speech gave right that
Speaker 4: he believes that there's uh this shadowy government with its
Speaker 4: own navy, its own army, you know, its own fundring
Speaker 4: on fundraising mechanism and operates above the law. And and
Speaker 4: and you know, uh sounds very similar to this UFO cabal.
Speaker 4: You know, it seems like they want to keep this
Speaker 4: secret at all costs. And you know, David Grush has
Speaker 4: recently come out and talked about how people been potentially
Speaker 4: murdered and I would say definitely, definitely murdered to keep
Speaker 4: this secret.
Speaker 9: We know from testimonies that many people were threatened with
Speaker 9: their lives if they spoke about what they know about Roswell.
Speaker 9: Whether people were murdered or not as an open question,
Speaker 9: but there have been some suspicious deaths in this field
Speaker 9: from time to time.
Speaker 8: Mm hmmm, yeah yeah. And if you ever I mean,
Speaker 8: have you ever been.
Speaker 4: Visited, have you ever been has anyone ever tried to
Speaker 4: persuade you to come say it's all a lie or
Speaker 4: to just go away?
Speaker 9: No, no, I can say categorically nobody has come to
Speaker 9: me directly and tried to influence me to stop talking
Speaker 9: about this, or threatened me in any way. Wait a minute,
Speaker 9: excuse me. I'm getting notes from my wife here, uh
Speaker 9: that there have been threats against others, and we have
Speaker 9: heard this directly from those people that they have been
Speaker 9: threatened not to speak out.
Speaker 8: Uh.
Speaker 9: So those threats are going on. People are frightened and
Speaker 9: like I say, that this cabal will go to many
Speaker 9: many or all lengths to keep their secrets, right.
Speaker 8: So and and I I just I find it weird
Speaker 8: that ye uh, these special access programs, Uh, you know
Speaker 8: the unacknowledged ones that that that nobody knows of, right, Uh,
Speaker 8: that that.
Speaker 4: Not even you know, these black projects, Uh that that
Speaker 4: had to do with some of the ones that have
Speaker 4: leaked at least you know what that what they were
Speaker 4: working on. Uh, you know they all things like anti gravity. Uh,
Speaker 4: I mean we know anti gravity was a huge thing
Speaker 4: in I think it was the fifties. It was in
Speaker 4: all the magazines and then it just disappeared and some
Speaker 4: have speculated that the code was or anti gravity was cracked.
Speaker 4: Could it be that it was cracked because of reverse
Speaker 4: engineered craft? Do you believe that we are in possession
Speaker 4: of craft of non human origin?
Speaker 9: Yes? Absolutely. In fact, there's a new book that well
Speaker 9: I just foind out about this summer written by Roberto Pinotti,
Speaker 9: an Italian investigator, and the book is about the Magenta
Speaker 9: crash that happened in Magenta, Italy in nineteen thirty three,
Speaker 9: where a craft was recovered. James Fox, who I think
Speaker 9: you're going to have on as a guest.
Speaker 8: Yes, In September.
Speaker 9: Yes, will confirm that there was a crash of a
Speaker 9: craft near Vargina, Brazil, because he did excellent documentary on that.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 9: And then we have Roswell of course, so there's plenty
Speaker 9: of evidence that craft crashed and that we've had access
Speaker 9: to those craft, and no doubt some sort of back
Speaker 9: engineering has been attempted. Who knows what kind of technical
Speaker 9: secrets we've derived problem that and also which you know,
Speaker 9: we know that some of our aerospace companies have been involved.
Speaker 9: Uh we know this from some of the discussions ah
Speaker 9: that have taken place recently in the Congress.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's it's it's absolutely mind boggling actually, and I
Speaker 8: mean in your experts.
Speaker 4: So I had Danny Sheanon and he talked about the
Speaker 4: evidence for a galactic federation that there's multiple species, uh
Speaker 4: you know, interdimensional extraterrestrial you know, there's multiple species visiting
Speaker 4: this planet.
Speaker 8: Have you done any research? Have you looked into that? Uh?
Speaker 8: What what is your belief on on such a thing.
Speaker 9: Well, Uh, there are people I trust who have looked
Speaker 9: into it and had experience uh different types of beings.
Speaker 8: Uh.
Speaker 9: So yeah, I certainly think if one, let's say, civilization
Speaker 9: extraterrestrial civilization visited. The chances are that many have visited
Speaker 9: our world and are working peacefully in concert with each other.
Speaker 9: I mean that would be that's our objective here on Earth,
Speaker 9: right to work peacefully with other countries. We're not doing
Speaker 9: very good at it right now, but that's why we
Speaker 9: have to continue our evolution. But if you think about
Speaker 9: civilizations out there that existed for many, many more years
Speaker 9: than ours have, maybe they have found a way of
Speaker 9: getting along with each other and in cooperation with each other.
Speaker 9: So it makes logical sense that there would be some
Speaker 9: sort of federation like that. Hello, were still there?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Oh sorry, I was muted. So Mark uh Marco Leal
Speaker 4: he put a comment up and you had mentioned, uh,
Speaker 4: James Fox and Moment of Contact. Marco was actually the
Speaker 4: lead investigator for that film and he's a.
Speaker 8: Friend of the show, and he said, great, great live. So, uh,
Speaker 8: Marco's a great UFO researcher.
Speaker 5: He is.
Speaker 4: Without him, James Fox would not have been able to
Speaker 4: make Moment of Contact such a great documentary.
Speaker 9: So I agree.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So you know, uh h you when you were when
Speaker 4: when you were abducted, you said they spoke to you
Speaker 4: telepathically and that you were able to speak back telepathically.
Speaker 4: This is something that that we hear often in cases
Speaker 4: uh of not only abduction, but close encounters kind of
Speaker 4: in general. Do you think that consciousness it seems that
Speaker 4: we are the pinnacle of biological evolution, at least in
Speaker 4: terms of our planet.
Speaker 8: You know, we have thumbs.
Speaker 4: Who are we We are able to manipulate the earth
Speaker 4: around us to our will.
Speaker 8: So it's it's logical to say that our next steps
Speaker 8: of evolution would be in the brain, and that would
Speaker 8: be conscious uh evolution. So do you think that you
Speaker 8: know consciousness? Is it is key to some of this phenomena?
Speaker 9: Uh? Well, in the sense that well, uh, I like
Speaker 9: to talk in terms of values.
Speaker 1: Uh uh.
Speaker 9: You might think of a civilization that in our civilization
Speaker 9: and human civilization, we live by a set of values.
Speaker 9: In other words, fairness, honesty, those kinds of things are
Speaker 9: part of our value system. And when you when I
Speaker 9: when I think of raising our level of consciousness, I
Speaker 9: think about being more faithful or true to our value systems.
Speaker 9: And I think that's what e T is watching waiting
Speaker 9: hoping that we will do. And that is the simple
Speaker 9: value of you know, doing unto others as we would
Speaker 9: have others do unto us, right, right, that we would
Speaker 9: live by that, not just utter the words, but actually
Speaker 9: honor and live by that, take care of each other better.
Speaker 9: Because if they allow us to leave our planet with
Speaker 9: our nuclear weapons, and by the way, we are doing
Speaker 9: that now while at least leaving our planet, we're planning
Speaker 9: to establish bases on the Moon, for example, and in
Speaker 9: the future bases on Mars, and not just the US,
Speaker 9: but China, Russia, other countries.
Speaker 4: Do you think that that the ETS would let us
Speaker 4: bring nuclear weapons to space, because the evidence suggests not.
Speaker 9: I hope not so. But in order to stop that
Speaker 9: or keep that from doing ourselves, you know, we they
Speaker 9: want us to take these actions ourselves and not to
Speaker 9: let's say, interfere with what we're doing, right, we will
Speaker 9: we would have to have mutual agreements, you know, that
Speaker 9: we could all live by that we will not indeed
Speaker 9: take any nuclear weapons to these bases off Earth. So
Speaker 9: that's what I'm talking when I say raising our level
Speaker 9: of consciousness. It's not just a question of uttering our
Speaker 9: value system, but of apply saying it. In fact.
Speaker 8: That makes sense. And uh, but.
Speaker 4: I mean there other people have come forward and said,
Speaker 4: you know that some of our are our our tests.
Speaker 4: When we tried to detonate a nuclear weapon in space,
Speaker 4: that it was thwarted by uh uh a UFO came
Speaker 4: in and and this was just a dummy it was.
Speaker 4: It wasn't even an actual uh like actual warhead. This
Speaker 4: UFO came in and basically zapped it, you know, and
Speaker 4: then it tumbled out of the sky.
Speaker 8: So it seems that that they wouldn't if they are
Speaker 8: that concerned that maybe they're restricting us to Earth only
Speaker 8: you will not be able to leave Earth with nuclear weapons.
Speaker 9: Well, again, like I said, they may have the capability
Speaker 9: of doing that. They may have the capability of stopping
Speaker 9: us from taking our weapons off Earth. However, I am
Speaker 9: also I think my speculation that they want us to,
Speaker 9: let's say, have the will and intent and to do
Speaker 9: that ourselves, to abolish all nuclear weapons on the moon
Speaker 9: on Mars now and not take those weapons out there
Speaker 9: and on our own volition, not because we are forced
Speaker 9: or told not to do that.
Speaker 8: Well, that would make sense in a like a Okay,
Speaker 8: I'm gonna let them. Yeah, I guess it is.
Speaker 9: It's otherwise otherwise we're would be subject to the will
Speaker 9: of some external like you say, a federation of beings,
Speaker 9: of extraterrestrial beings, and we would be under their direction
Speaker 9: per se. And nobody wants that. No nation or group
Speaker 9: of nations wants to be directed by others to do
Speaker 9: something or not.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I agree, I agree, And I think if if this,
Speaker 8: you know, the et races when and if they do
Speaker 8: make contact, I think they want it to be a
Speaker 8: hospitable thing and something that we grow into.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 9: Uh, let's say a mutual respect.
Speaker 4: Right for for right right exactly, let us forge our
Speaker 4: own path. But uh, I mean the latter end of that,
Speaker 4: or the worst side of that, would be what if
Speaker 4: we don't get it right?
Speaker 8: Uh?
Speaker 4: And you know, would that lead to a catastrophic disclosure
Speaker 4: Like Danny Shehan talks about where they they're forced to
Speaker 4: reveal their hand.
Speaker 9: Oh well, yeah, who can say? What what might happen
Speaker 9: in the future? I think, Ah, A lot of this
Speaker 9: is speculation.
Speaker 6: Right yeah?
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, uh, But.
Speaker 9: Like I say, the optimal situation would be that we
Speaker 9: design among ourselves all nations of the Earth optimally will
Speaker 9: abolish nuclear weapons and optimally will come up with firm
Speaker 9: agreements not to transport our weaponry off Earth.
Speaker 8: Well, it's almost like it's almost like.
Speaker 4: A butterfly, I mean a caterpillar, right, It spins its
Speaker 4: cocoon and it needs to break out of that cocoon.
Speaker 4: Upon its evolution, it needs to struggle. If you help it,
Speaker 4: it will die. So you know, uh, we may be
Speaker 4: the caterpillar evolving into the butterfly in this case where
Speaker 4: they can't step in. They can't help us because if
Speaker 4: they do, it will hurt us in the long run.
Speaker 8: And that could be I mean.
Speaker 4: A strong implication of a of a no, almost like
Speaker 4: an eternals h vibe where you know, they have to
Speaker 4: watch from a distance, and that's why maybe only certain
Speaker 4: people get peaks here and there.
Speaker 9: That says Tyler, I agree with your analogy with the butterfly.
Speaker 8: Yeah, we could be the butterfly, you know, the caterpillar.
Speaker 9: Well, we haven't turned into butterflies yet. We're still.
Speaker 8: We're still we're still spinning the cocoon. Yeah, things up, Yeah, ay,
Speaker 8: I kind of you know that that that whole thing
Speaker 8: is throwing me for a loop. But a couple of
Speaker 8: final things, because I so.
Speaker 4: The Malmstrom Air Force based incident, the UFO or.
Speaker 8: The abduction, any other phenomena, as as have you.
Speaker 4: Ever been involved in any other phenomena? Has anything else
Speaker 4: happened to you that you'd like to share?
Speaker 9: Uh, well, I think it would take another hour or
Speaker 9: so to go over some of the other visitations. Let's
Speaker 9: say we've had and experiences. There have been others in
Speaker 9: our lives, both myself and my wife. Uh. But again
Speaker 9: it would be too involved to go into here.
Speaker 8: But you're saying there are more experiences.
Speaker 9: Well, we have had other experiences.
Speaker 8: Yes, that that's that's really really so obviously we'll have
Speaker 8: to have you back on.
Speaker 4: I mean, I you know, I love talking to you, Robert. Uh,
Speaker 4: you're such a honorable man, and and you are a patriot. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you know, you've done all you can. You've given your
Speaker 4: testimony to to the right people. You've given the evidence
Speaker 4: to the people that are supposed to make the changes
Speaker 4: necessary and and and uh do you have hope that
Speaker 4: change is coming?
Speaker 9: Oh? Absolutely? Uh. I have hope that change is coming
Speaker 9: in disclosure and with the human race, that we will
Speaker 9: continue to evolve provided we don't blow each other up.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, I agree.
Speaker 4: Is there anything, Is there any anything that you're working
Speaker 4: on right now that people can look forward to. I
Speaker 4: have a couple by the way, stick around after the
Speaker 4: show ends, after the outra music. I just want to
Speaker 4: talk to you for a second. But is there anything
Speaker 4: you're working on right now that people can look forward
Speaker 4: to or you know, can you tell us about other
Speaker 4: projects that you've done.
Speaker 9: I have written three books. I've spoken in seventeen countries.
Speaker 9: I've spoken to the governments of Brazil and Mexico. Uh
Speaker 9: The only thing I I hope for and would love
Speaker 9: to do is speak at a hearing public hearing in Congress,
Speaker 9: and uh so I've got my feelers up for that.
Speaker 8: I'm going to try to help. I'm gonna reach out.
Speaker 9: That'd be great.
Speaker 8: I'll reach out.
Speaker 4: I have Tim Tim's phone number, so I will I
Speaker 4: will reach out.
Speaker 9: So that's all I'm working on right now. I'm not
Speaker 9: working on another book at this point, although I don't
Speaker 9: uh huh, you know, I'm not saying I won't write
Speaker 9: another book, but.
Speaker 8: I think I think I think there is I.
Speaker 4: Think that your story needs to be told uh in
Speaker 4: in in uh for a new audience, a younger audience.
Speaker 4: Uh So, I think I think there's opportunity here or
Speaker 4: or opportunity there. But I'll have all your links in
Speaker 4: the description like I said below, and anyone tuning in
Speaker 4: can buy any of the books and you can watch
Speaker 4: Robert h Robert, You've given your testimony in so many films,
Speaker 4: documentaries shows that you know there there there's uh so
Speaker 4: much out there that people people can people can feed on.
Speaker 4: So I really just wanted to say thank you for
Speaker 4: coming on the show tonight. And how can people You
Speaker 4: have a Twitter.
Speaker 9: Right, yeah, I'm kept title on Twitter.
Speaker 8: And then on Facebook it's just Robert Salay right right.
Speaker 9: On YouTube, I've got a YouTube channel under Bob Solace
Speaker 9: or Giant Head.
Speaker 8: Three, okay, and you post videos there frequently.
Speaker 9: Uh there are videos on the my YouTube channel. Uh
Speaker 9: what I like, I said, I gave a presentation. I've
Speaker 9: given many presentations at the National Press Club. Some of
Speaker 9: those are on there.
Speaker 8: Uh yeah, yeah, I love all that stuff.
Speaker 4: So I actually I'll put that link in there below
Speaker 4: as well. Robert, thank you so much. I hope this
Speaker 4: is the first of many conversations. Your your true patriot
Speaker 4: and the stuff that you've been through, you know it.
Speaker 4: It's good to see that you still have you know,
Speaker 4: your wits and your sense of humor at your pagiotism,
Speaker 4: and and your wife, she's such a lovely person.
Speaker 8: Congratulations on your guys anniversary, and I just want to
Speaker 8: say again thank you for your service to this country.
Speaker 9: Yeah. I absolutely agree with you about my wife phenomenal
Speaker 9: human being and we will have been married fifty five
Speaker 9: years this this month.
Speaker 8: Yeah. Yeah, whatn't amazing?
Speaker 4: And you know, any veterans that are struggling out there
Speaker 4: who have who have had a sighting, what would you recommend?
Speaker 9: Well? Number one, to make sure you document your memories
Speaker 9: of it as best you can in a journal, and
Speaker 9: try to get corroborating witnesses to document various facts, and
Speaker 9: take seriously the possibility of coming forward publicly. We need,
Speaker 9: we need more, We need as many witnesses as we
Speaker 9: can get. We do. We will have new whistleblower protections,
Speaker 9: uh in the new legislation coming up. Uh so uh,
Speaker 9: keep your hopes up that you can publicly talk about
Speaker 9: this as best you can. Yeah.
Speaker 8: Yeah, So for everyone out there in the podcast sphere,
Speaker 8: I don't know why, but.
Speaker 4: Let me let me start streaming to Twitter at like
Speaker 4: the last twenty minutes only. So that was very uh, elon,
Speaker 4: I'm pulling my finger at you because I pay money
Speaker 4: for uh for Twitter. So that was very that that
Speaker 4: through a wrench. But to anyone out there listening, make
Speaker 4: sure to like, share, subscribe, and if you're listening on
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Speaker 4: show and leave a star rating. It helps us garner
Speaker 4: a wider audience, so we keep bringing you the best
Speaker 4: content possible. We want to thank Robert Tells for his
Speaker 4: service to our country as a retired Air Force commander,
Speaker 4: especially with the job he had, like we.
Speaker 8: Said, and for everyone else our members you know what
Speaker 8: it is. Will see you guys next time. Thank you,
Speaker 8: sorry you said, thank you.
Speaker 9: Thank you very much. Tyler, I appreciate being here. Thank you,
Speaker 9: Thank you child.
Speaker 8: Thank you at entering
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