TDP LIVE: Varginha, Abduction, & Congressional Response (FT. GINO FROM THE WHY FILES)

0:03 Speaker 1: All right, everybody, welcome back to Total Disclosure.

0:18 Speaker 2: Back in good old Boston. It's we just took a

0:24 Speaker 2: trip down to DC. For anyone who doesn't or didn't know,

0:28 Speaker 2: there was a National Press Club event that James Fox,

0:33 Speaker 2: the filmmaker of Moment of Contact, the Phenomenon, fifty Years

0:37 Speaker 2: of Denial, I know what I saw in so many

0:39 Speaker 2: other amazing UFO films. He put on this National Press

0:44 Speaker 2: Club event similar to like the Doctor Reer event, and

0:48 Speaker 2: you know, put on the witnesses or as many as

0:50 Speaker 2: he could, including the neurosurgeon, doctor Edelo, and then a

0:55 Speaker 2: very powerful witness from the beginning of the film, Carlos Desusa.

1:01 Speaker 2: I was able to speak with both of them, along

1:03 Speaker 2: with people like Representative Burlson, Jean Sticko, veto a just plethora,

1:12 Speaker 2: Jeff new Totelli, or someone from the Y Files. I

1:17 Speaker 2: don't know if that's cool, but so many people were there,

1:21 Speaker 2: so many cool things to discuss, so many opportunities, that

1:26 Speaker 2: we figured we owe it one more stream, one more

1:29 Speaker 2: stream to bring it all together, to bring it home,

1:33 Speaker 2: if you will. So before I get into it, everyone

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1:56 Speaker 2: let's get into it. I got my couple of guests

1:59 Speaker 2: here and we're gonna start breaking shit down. Jeane, well, welcome. Hey,

2:06 Speaker 2: long time no see. You have some of my tripods.

2:10 Speaker 3: I know we all have. We've all left evidence of

2:13 Speaker 3: one another in one another's belongings.

2:17 Speaker 2: Literally, I got out of your car at like what

2:21 Speaker 2: do we get back at it?

2:22 Speaker 3: Like two am.

2:24 Speaker 2: I got out of your car with like four bags

2:26 Speaker 2: and I looked around and I'm like, yeah, I'm good,

2:28 Speaker 2: I got everything. And then I go back in I

2:30 Speaker 2: start going through shit and I'm like, I'm missing so

2:33 Speaker 2: much shit.

2:35 Speaker 3: Yeah. We we were pumped up on some bad wah

2:38 Speaker 3: wah coffee after leaving Veto in New Jersey.

2:43 Speaker 2: Dude, that wahwa trip you. I remember you looking at

2:47 Speaker 2: me and going, hey, this is not a good representation

2:52 Speaker 2: of wahwah Because I had never been there. I didn't

2:55 Speaker 2: know to Wawa and you were just like, this is

2:57 Speaker 2: not a good representation.

3:00 Speaker 3: Huah was is at its best?

3:02 Speaker 2: No, no, not at its finest. So Gene, I'm gonna

3:07 Speaker 2: bring in Veto Veto long time no see Vito is

3:11 Speaker 2: uh what do you want to say? Perfect gaming?

3:15 Speaker 3: W damn it?

3:18 Speaker 4: Why do I have a Gene out there? Hold on

3:20 Speaker 4: a second? Uh, Veto is fine, vitos perfectly fine.

3:24 Speaker 2: And then Joe from the UAP Reporting Center who also joined.

3:29 Speaker 3: Us, Joe, love guy.

3:33 Speaker 2: How's everyone doing? So?

3:35 Speaker 3: Doing pretty good?

3:37 Speaker 2: Obviously I interviewed I think I interviewed all three of

3:39 Speaker 2: you night one with and That's what I've been going

3:43 Speaker 2: through with some of the footage, uh with you know,

3:46 Speaker 2: just the amazing memorial in the background. Such good interviews.

3:50 Speaker 2: But for the for the live what, maybe we could

3:54 Speaker 2: start with twelve o'clock go around to Gene what and

3:58 Speaker 2: this will be for everyone? What were what was your

4:00 Speaker 2: overall thought on the National Press Club event, the Virginia incident,

4:04 Speaker 2: the witnesses and you know what's next?

4:09 Speaker 3: Starting with me? Yeah, I just thought it was it

4:14 Speaker 3: was very powerful to be there and hear it in person.

4:19 Speaker 3: It was encouraging to see the room was packed. Great

4:27 Speaker 3: to see so many people in the community working together

4:34 Speaker 3: and and helping one another throughout the whole thing. I mean,

4:38 Speaker 3: you know, we did it amongst ourselves shore, but you

4:41 Speaker 3: know constant. I know, I lended a hand where I

4:45 Speaker 3: could with others and saw it happening a lot.

4:49 Speaker 5: You know.

4:50 Speaker 3: Representative Burlison, I think, you know, was fired up.

4:55 Speaker 5: Uh.

4:55 Speaker 3: He seemed much more positive than previous interviews previous to that. So,

5:03 Speaker 3: you know, overall, I think it was a good event.

5:05 Speaker 3: I think it laid a great foundation. It left. What

5:10 Speaker 3: I liked about it was the Air Force guy at

5:13 Speaker 3: the end, the Air Force kernel. You know, there's essentially

5:16 Speaker 3: there was like actions to take actually leaving on of

5:21 Speaker 3: their like here's the information, and here's where we're at,

5:24 Speaker 3: and here we need to go next. Have a it world.

5:28 Speaker 2: And I was like, wow, what did anyone else get?

5:32 Speaker 2: What is that? Did you guys hear that?

5:38 Speaker 3: Yeah?

5:38 Speaker 6: I can hear it.

5:39 Speaker 2: Vito, I needed Vita for a second. It's looping. I

5:44 Speaker 2: got home and I don't know how this happened. I

5:47 Speaker 2: don't know, and I wanted to ask you guys about this.

5:49 Speaker 2: I got home, I started going through my computer. There's

5:53 Speaker 2: just a file on my computer that says Vargenia file

5:57 Speaker 2: and there's like ninety nine videos in stuff inside.

6:01 Speaker 3: Yeah.

6:01 Speaker 2: I never downloaded that.

6:04 Speaker 6: I didn't either. I thought one of you guys like

6:06 Speaker 6: sent it to me or something. But it's on mine.

6:08 Speaker 2: Too, So you okay, I wasn't the only one who

6:11 Speaker 2: got this fucking file randomly.

6:14 Speaker 4: Yeah right.

6:15 Speaker 6: It has all the documents and videos and pictures and

6:19 Speaker 6: witness statements.

6:20 Speaker 4: It was from a QR code. Is my audio no

6:23 Speaker 4: longer looping?

6:23 Speaker 2: Yep? You would have had to press something.

6:25 Speaker 3: It doesn't.

6:26 Speaker 2: It doesn't usually work like that.

6:28 Speaker 6: Oh you know what I wonder if it's when we

6:31 Speaker 6: scanned to get in. You know, you had to scan

6:34 Speaker 6: your phone to get into the press conference.

6:37 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I scanned my phone. It was on my laptop.

6:41 Speaker 3: It wasn't on my phone.

6:42 Speaker 4: Yeah, but you don't. Doesn't your stuff crossed platform? You

6:45 Speaker 4: said to me like, oh, yeah, I got maybe maybe

6:48 Speaker 4: it's weird guy.

6:49 Speaker 2: It maybe. But I was just like, how the fuck

6:51 Speaker 2: did they get that on my computer because I didn't

6:54 Speaker 2: knowingly click like let's go download this. I just it

6:59 Speaker 2: was there, and I was like, huh, what the hell.

7:03 Speaker 2: One of my lights went out but sorry, Jean, So

7:08 Speaker 2: that that Air Force captain was someone who I had.

7:11 Speaker 3: Not heard from. Yeah, I liked him a lot heard

7:14 Speaker 3: from before. Yeah, well, you know, it seemed like he

7:17 Speaker 3: was just somebody who came forward based on his experience

7:21 Speaker 3: and was like, hey, I can help out. This is

7:23 Speaker 3: what a paper trail looks like, and and who we

7:26 Speaker 3: need to call for. So I thought that was that

7:29 Speaker 3: was fantastic. And the uh, the other gentleman who spoke

7:34 Speaker 3: about the was it the sort of the powers that

7:37 Speaker 3: Congress does have to grant immunity for testimony? I think

7:42 Speaker 3: was interesting. And you know, we'll see if anybody takes

7:46 Speaker 3: it to heart or road tests it, I guess interesting.

7:50 Speaker 2: All right on onto to Joe. What what What were

7:54 Speaker 2: your just overall thoughts?

7:56 Speaker 6: Yeah, I thought it was a great event. You know,

8:01 Speaker 6: I think that the more events we have like that,

8:04 Speaker 6: the better. I wish there were more of them, And

8:07 Speaker 6: and I know it's difficult, but just because I think

8:10 Speaker 6: people physically being somewhere and seeing so many people make

8:14 Speaker 6: the effort to travel to another city to support something

8:19 Speaker 6: that actually not to a convention or anything like that,

8:22 Speaker 6: but an actual hearing or a press conference, it just

8:26 Speaker 6: goes to show how many people are invested and involved

8:30 Speaker 6: in wanting the truth on this subject. I think it's

8:34 Speaker 6: I think it sends a message to Congress and to others.

8:38 Speaker 3: Yeah, but.

8:40 Speaker 2: Not to interrupt you there, I'm sorry, you know, because

8:44 Speaker 2: you and I have been to the congressional hearings as well.

8:48 Speaker 2: It had a different feel but similar in a way.

8:51 Speaker 2: It was similar where people were coming from all over

8:54 Speaker 2: and descending upon DC for this specific event. It wasn't

8:58 Speaker 2: just like you know, people in the area, uh, you know,

9:01 Speaker 2: filling in right, It was people flew in specifically, like

9:05 Speaker 2: you know, Gene and I and and Vito and you

9:09 Speaker 2: we all like that was the one sole reason for

9:13 Speaker 2: being inc Yeah.

9:15 Speaker 6: Yeah, And I was talking even, I was talking to

9:18 Speaker 6: James and he said, right right up until, like not

9:22 Speaker 6: long before the hearing, he was like terrified that it

9:25 Speaker 6: was going to be empty. Yeah, so I don't even

9:28 Speaker 6: think he knew, like, you know, just the ground swell

9:32 Speaker 6: of support disclosure have and how people are invested.

9:37 Speaker 2: Well, let me ask this as a follow up. Were

9:39 Speaker 2: you where were where did you stand on Virginia before

9:43 Speaker 2: and where are you standing now?

9:47 Speaker 6: Yeah, that's a good question. I I always thought It

9:51 Speaker 6: was really really intriguing and and interesting, I could say

9:59 Speaker 6: after the here, but let me let me preface that

10:01 Speaker 6: by saying I didn't have my mind completely made up.

10:05 Speaker 6: I'm not an expert on the subject by by any stretch.

10:09 Speaker 6: But you know, I thought it was intriguing. But after

10:13 Speaker 6: seeing the witnesses, it it's answered any question I had.

10:19 Speaker 6: There is zero down in my mind that any of

10:21 Speaker 6: those witnesses were lying. You can't fake the the kind

10:26 Speaker 6: of emotion they showed during their testimony. I don't know

10:33 Speaker 6: what just happened. Are you guys still there?

10:36 Speaker 4: I'm here. He put you on the there we go.

10:40 Speaker 4: He changed, but he changes screens that like miss it

10:43 Speaker 4: was it around? Okay, he gave he gave you your your

10:48 Speaker 4: close up brother.

10:49 Speaker 2: Yeah, I gave you the floor.

10:51 Speaker 5: Thank you.

10:54 Speaker 3: Under the pressure thought we were screwing with him, we

11:01 Speaker 3: all abandoned the here, we all left, one by one.

11:06 Speaker 3: That'd be hilarious, just like yeah you got this right,

11:11 Speaker 3: yeah you later.

11:13 Speaker 2: No, but that's actually a good insight, like knowing that

11:16 Speaker 2: you weren't fully sold, but you know, seeing because there

11:19 Speaker 2: was a couple moments like especially with Carlos Desusa, I mean,

11:23 Speaker 2: I'm just gonna go out and say it. Whether whether

11:28 Speaker 2: he's gotta be he's either an award winning actor that

11:31 Speaker 2: never pursued acting. That dude is just raw telling the truth,

11:39 Speaker 2: like Rawig telling the truth. I got to speak with

11:41 Speaker 2: him close up after, and I felt the emotion in him,

11:45 Speaker 2: not even knowing his language, you know, it was going

11:48 Speaker 2: through the interpreter and then to me, I could feel

11:51 Speaker 2: it from him. And he had a couple of powerful

11:53 Speaker 2: moments at that podium.

11:56 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'll tell you a couple of things from

11:58 Speaker 3: you know, my perspective. I noticed sort of watching again,

12:03 Speaker 3: watching the micro expressions, the interactions and and and things

12:07 Speaker 3: like that that added credibility to it. If he knows

12:10 Speaker 3: there was like a so there was a translator at

12:15 Speaker 3: the end of the table, and there were obviously prepared statements.

12:18 Speaker 3: They were you know, following down and he was going

12:22 Speaker 3: you know, off script here and there. But then there

12:25 Speaker 3: was a point where he was really going off the

12:28 Speaker 3: prepared statement and she had to kind of wrangle them

12:31 Speaker 3: in and be like, hey, let's keep it focused again.

12:34 Speaker 3: It just sort of showed he has so much to

12:37 Speaker 3: say and so much to talk about that you know,

12:42 Speaker 3: they they kind of had to put those guardrails around

12:45 Speaker 3: it because I think it's just over overwhelming and overflowing

12:51 Speaker 3: with with both information and emotion for him.

12:58 Speaker 2: Absolutely, and and you know, doctor Itelo was was someone

13:03 Speaker 2: that again I got to speak to after and I think,

13:08 Speaker 2: you know, James wanted that. I remember him in the video.

13:11 Speaker 2: I forget which podcast he was doing where he was like,

13:13 Speaker 2: you know, come ask the difficult questions. Come, you know,

13:17 Speaker 2: meet their family, meet their wife, meet there this, you know,

13:21 Speaker 2: talk to them directly. And I found that to be

13:25 Speaker 2: you know, I find that to be one of the

13:27 Speaker 2: most powerful tools in this field, especially when we're judging

13:31 Speaker 2: such complex things, because I can look into your eye

13:36 Speaker 2: and like, if you're bullshitting me, like about like getting

13:38 Speaker 2: probed by an alien, I can usually tell right, like right,

13:44 Speaker 2: there's the liars and then there's the people. You go,

13:47 Speaker 2: you don't really have too much to gain, and I

13:52 Speaker 2: just don't see what you would you would actually benefit

13:55 Speaker 2: from this. I mean, Carlos disappeared for twenty some odd years,

14:00 Speaker 2: disappeared now after so he goes to the gas station,

14:04 Speaker 2: and we can start early with this. So he sees

14:08 Speaker 2: this craft and he's a he's a pilot, not a pilot,

14:12 Speaker 2: like a commercial pilot. But he flies, Uh what it

14:16 Speaker 2: fixed wing? Gene, what are they called? Do you remember?

14:20 Speaker 3: No?

14:21 Speaker 2: No, No, he flies like r C. What are those called?

14:24 Speaker 3: Fixed wing?

14:26 Speaker 2: Yeah? Just he flies fixed wing. So he's familiar with

14:29 Speaker 2: with what something looks like in the air and how

14:32 Speaker 2: it behaves when it's in trouble and when it's not.

14:35 Speaker 2: And he describes seeing and this is very early in

14:38 Speaker 2: the morning. He's going out to fly that morning. Uh,

14:42 Speaker 2: he sees this cylindrical craft so like a cigar, white

14:48 Speaker 2: metallic and it and it's shimmering, it's shivering in the air.

14:53 Speaker 2: So it's like looks like it's in trouble. It's bowling

14:55 Speaker 2: down and up and like it's trying to maintain its bearing.

14:59 Speaker 2: And then there's this white stuff coming out at the back.

15:02 Speaker 2: Smoke is what he assumes. He never says UFOs or

15:06 Speaker 2: aliens or like. He thinks someone's gonna need help. So

15:10 Speaker 2: he peels off the highway, gets on the dirt road,

15:14 Speaker 2: comes across this this wreckage where he comes upon the metal. Now,

15:21 Speaker 2: I'm sure you guys know, what does that metal sound like?

15:24 Speaker 2: What have we ever heard that before? This metal that

15:28 Speaker 2: crumbles in your hand.

15:30 Speaker 4: And yeah, yeahswell, it's roswell.

15:32 Speaker 1: Yeah.

15:33 Speaker 2: So as soon as I heard that, right, So again

15:37 Speaker 2: it's these things and cases that are very far apart

15:42 Speaker 2: that maybe we can start to glean. We don't have

15:44 Speaker 2: to know the exact what, why, when, and where, but

15:48 Speaker 2: we can draw correlation or not correlation, but we can

15:51 Speaker 2: draw lines across and say, huh, well that's weird both

15:56 Speaker 2: talking about this same kind of metal. Thirty forty fifty

15:59 Speaker 2: sixty years is in uh in timeframe? So what is

16:03 Speaker 2: that metal and why does it keep being seen after crashes?

16:08 Speaker 2: UFO crashes specifically, he also spoke of the He spoke

16:14 Speaker 2: of the smell, so he said that he needed to

16:17 Speaker 2: cover his face. And you know, I always, I always

16:21 Speaker 2: harped on that smell, the smell of ammonia, the smell

16:25 Speaker 2: of sulfur. That's a detail that I found to be

16:28 Speaker 2: very intriguing and something that you can easily follow throughout

16:31 Speaker 2: the witnesses that essentially, if you know what we're being

16:35 Speaker 2: told is true, they have no affiliation with each other

16:37 Speaker 2: aside from this case. You know, so they all talk

16:42 Speaker 2: about this ammonia sulfur smell. And he smelled it at

16:46 Speaker 2: the at the crash as well, but he was sent

16:49 Speaker 2: away by military later, you know, intimidated by the Men

16:53 Speaker 2: in Black. What are your guys thoughts on these these

16:57 Speaker 2: this quote unquote men in Black seemingly appearing at these

17:02 Speaker 2: crash sites.

17:05 Speaker 4: I think it's linked to to Nhi personally.

17:10 Speaker 2: You know, So, yeah, it doesn't strike me as a

17:12 Speaker 2: particular even though it's human, it doesn't particularly strike me

17:16 Speaker 2: as a human like. I don't think a human craft

17:20 Speaker 2: does that play here?

17:21 Speaker 3: I think not that not that fast.

17:23 Speaker 4: As far as like the the the the n Men

17:25 Speaker 4: in Black, Oh, they're definitely linked to something like that.

17:28 Speaker 4: There's no way they can just show up. They look

17:30 Speaker 4: for and they act far and something that weird. There's

17:32 Speaker 4: just a lot to it with them, you know what

17:34 Speaker 4: I mean. It's it's it's it's weird with them. So

17:36 Speaker 4: I don't know what's at the time.

17:38 Speaker 6: Does anybody know how long after this did the Men

17:41 Speaker 6: in Black show up for Carlos?

17:43 Speaker 3: It was mere minutes, You're not minutes.

17:46 Speaker 2: I wouldn't say minutes because he went to the gas

17:49 Speaker 2: station after being so he's in the field with the

17:53 Speaker 2: debris and the military is backing him off, right, like, like,

17:58 Speaker 2: get the fuck out of here, dude, Like, you know

18:01 Speaker 2: what I mean? Right next the next time I ask,

18:05 Speaker 2: it's is I'm not asking next time? So he gets

18:09 Speaker 2: the hint. He backs off, goes to a gas station

18:12 Speaker 2: to get a couple of coffee. It's early in the morning,

18:14 Speaker 2: and it's at that gas station. He says, a car

18:18 Speaker 2: with no plate what rides up on him, and that's

18:23 Speaker 2: when they go, Carlos, you married to this person. You

18:27 Speaker 2: live at this person I mean you live at this address. Yeah,

18:31 Speaker 2: you do this for work. Okay, I remember you saw nothing.

18:34 Speaker 2: You didn't see shit, and and like, if you do

18:38 Speaker 2: say what you saw, things might get weird for you.

18:42 Speaker 2: And he took that as a threat that he said

18:44 Speaker 2: that they were foreigners, so not native Brazilian speaking. We

18:50 Speaker 2: don't know if they're American, but we weren't Brazilian. And

18:56 Speaker 2: they told him things will get weird if he started talking,

18:58 Speaker 2: so he disappeared. I mean that's something not everyone does that, right.

19:05 Speaker 6: It's strange. It's definitely strange because I would normally say

19:10 Speaker 6: they're Americans, but you know, Americans, I don't think didn't

19:13 Speaker 6: show up for quite a while after that, so I

19:17 Speaker 6: find it hard to believe that, you know, American you know,

19:20 Speaker 6: intelligence officials could show up that fast.

19:24 Speaker 3: That's why I think.

19:25 Speaker 4: That's why I think it's Nhi.

19:27 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, it's strange. Maybe hybrids something like that.

19:34 Speaker 3: It sounds crazy, but yeah, maybe.

19:38 Speaker 6: I'm hesitant to even say it, but I just don't

19:41 Speaker 6: know what else it would be.

19:43 Speaker 4: Maybe they're working in conjunction with a government, you know

19:46 Speaker 4: what I mean.

19:47 Speaker 2: I think if there's that's probably what I would glean

19:50 Speaker 2: towards the most is that they if there is this

19:54 Speaker 2: like quote unquote deal like this print quote quote with

19:59 Speaker 2: the government and some sort of you know, even if

20:02 Speaker 2: it's just one faction, like one species that's visiting us,

20:06 Speaker 2: like you know, if you want to go off of

20:08 Speaker 2: uh this multiple species you know, visiting us kind of mindset.

20:14 Speaker 2: Say the grays are like they're not necessarily malevolent, but

20:18 Speaker 2: they're indifferent. That could look like malevolency in some cases, right,

20:24 Speaker 2: indifferent mistaken for you know, like if from where they're from,

20:30 Speaker 2: like taking you, you know, against a lesser species, that's

20:34 Speaker 2: that's we do it. We do it the cows, we

20:36 Speaker 2: do it the fucking lions and tigers in the jungle.

20:40 Speaker 2: Gene and I had a conversation bro Gene made me laugh.

20:44 Speaker 2: I just thought of it, Gene, do you know what

20:46 Speaker 2: I thought of? Okay, anyway, ah, back to it.

20:52 Speaker 3: But it was, it was it was those last hours

20:55 Speaker 3: of the car ride, and I couldn't aliens might think

21:00 Speaker 3: of life and society today and what if it was

21:04 Speaker 3: nothing like our norms and standards that.

21:09 Speaker 2: Yeah, so if if it is one of these species

21:12 Speaker 2: that has a contract or whatever with the government, I

21:16 Speaker 2: think this would be the quote unquote agency that yeah.

21:20 Speaker 3: For sure, right keep the Men in Black?

21:22 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, yeah, well that's what The Men in

21:25 Speaker 2: Black ends up being based on. Right, It's probably called

21:28 Speaker 2: something completely different, of course, the Men in Black. But

21:33 Speaker 2: because a lot of people think, oh it came from

21:34 Speaker 2: the movie, no, no, no, no, the movie, like even Independence Day.

21:39 Speaker 2: Independence Day showed area fifty one before Area fifty one

21:43 Speaker 2: was even admitted.

21:45 Speaker 3: On the radar. Yeah. Yeah, that's why.

21:47 Speaker 4: That's why I say that the movies definitely give a

21:52 Speaker 4: lot of Uh. I think the movies are definitely telling

21:54 Speaker 4: a lot of truth, if that makes sense. Like, I

21:56 Speaker 4: think they're giving like kind of like Richard Doty. Richard

21:59 Speaker 4: was put out there to be like a liar, right,

22:01 Speaker 4: But then a lot about who time we find out

22:03 Speaker 4: is the truth or there's some truth in what he's saying.

22:05 Speaker 3: So I think it's a mixture of both.

22:06 Speaker 4: And I know it sounds absolutely batchit crazy, but you know,

22:10 Speaker 4: the wools here, you know, the WO sounds crazy to

22:12 Speaker 4: talk about it, but the WO is here, it's a

22:14 Speaker 4: part of it.

22:15 Speaker 2: I would agree, Yeah, it's it's for me. I think

22:22 Speaker 2: it's it's definitely something that's there because you see it

22:26 Speaker 2: in very specific cases and always the most because again,

22:30 Speaker 2: now I don't know if you want to like if

22:33 Speaker 2: this is the same group. But later on in this

22:37 Speaker 2: case that the three girls, Katya, that's the only one

22:42 Speaker 2: whose name I really remember, to be honest, Katya's mother

22:47 Speaker 2: she said that guys came into the house. You know

22:54 Speaker 2: you said about that.

22:55 Speaker 3: I'm sorry, Jesus, I'm both sorry. My bad thought he

23:04 Speaker 3: was off his human suitating streamers.

23:10 Speaker 2: They come and try to do real podcasts, and they

23:12 Speaker 2: they utterly have no no respect for audio.

23:19 Speaker 3: Vito, just go ahead, sugar water.

23:22 Speaker 2: Yes, bugging sounded like the literal villain from Men in Black,

23:30 Speaker 2: but yeah, anyway, So the the mother, she says that

23:38 Speaker 2: after the girls had come forward with their story. She

23:41 Speaker 2: was visited by some non Brazilian natives. She thought they

23:47 Speaker 2: were American, she couldn't say for sure, but they offered

23:51 Speaker 2: her cash that they they quote said, could only be

23:55 Speaker 2: spent outside of Brazil, basically inferring you're gonna take your

23:59 Speaker 2: kids and you're going to get the fuck out of Dodge,

24:03 Speaker 2: you know. So that's when I start thinking something. That's

24:07 Speaker 2: when I start registering. All right, now we have two

24:09 Speaker 2: people saying they were essentially bribed or or or intimidated, right,

24:17 Speaker 2: So this case, it just it starts to look very

24:21 Speaker 2: good in terms from the witnesses perspective.

24:25 Speaker 3: So I think there's a couple of things at play here,

24:28 Speaker 3: you know, when it comes to the people who came

24:32 Speaker 3: to do the interviews that we also have to consider.

24:36 Speaker 3: So the Brazilian military, and we don't have the exact

24:40 Speaker 3: timeframe of how long from when the crash till the

24:45 Speaker 3: soldiers show up and start securing the scene is so

24:49 Speaker 3: for me, there is a little bit of a question

24:52 Speaker 3: of that time period and were there was there a

24:58 Speaker 3: military base close enough to respond and how quickly would

25:05 Speaker 3: that response be mounted versus were they potentially already tracking

25:12 Speaker 3: this object exactly would have had a mobile team out there,

25:20 Speaker 3: you know it just the order of events like that

25:25 Speaker 3: didn't seem to fill out. And then you have what's

25:29 Speaker 3: his name again, Carlos Carlos, Carlos Carlos at the gas

25:35 Speaker 3: station later and that's when he first gets his approach.

25:40 Speaker 3: So again it's before we start, you know, they get

25:43 Speaker 3: all right, interplanetary or interdimensional men in black show up

25:47 Speaker 3: and you know, start intimidating people. We got to understand.

25:52 Speaker 3: I think that order the timelines around that order of

25:56 Speaker 3: events within you know, within twelve hours, some Americans show

26:02 Speaker 3: up quite possibly right, because let's face it, all all

26:06 Speaker 3: embassies include CIA people, right, and somebody could very easily

26:14 Speaker 3: throw in their suit, jump in a helicopter. You know,

26:16 Speaker 3: they have those resources, particularly with something like this. And

26:21 Speaker 3: then when that US aircraft arrived to take everything away,

26:28 Speaker 3: so in the same one sense, stuff's got to be

26:31 Speaker 3: you know, collected, packed up, put in boxes. You probably

26:37 Speaker 3: have to build the boxes to put everything in, you know, And.

26:44 Speaker 6: We don't know, like Dean mentioned, how long they were

26:48 Speaker 6: tracking this craft. Now, was this craft hovering over Brazil

26:52 Speaker 6: for hours and hours and hours or days or who

26:54 Speaker 6: knows however long. You know, maybe the Americans put put

26:59 Speaker 6: resources is you know, where they needed to be in

27:01 Speaker 6: Brazil in case i'mlike, this should happen.

27:04 Speaker 4: But so yeah, I.

27:05 Speaker 6: Think that's probably much more likely than like Gene said,

27:08 Speaker 6: interplanetary men in black. You know, anything's possible, but that

27:13 Speaker 6: makes a lot more sense. It's why I said, you know,

27:15 Speaker 6: how long? How long? After and Jean had another great point.

27:19 Speaker 6: You know, was there a military base nearby? Does that

27:22 Speaker 6: military base have American assets on it? I mean, who knows? Well, yeah,

27:29 Speaker 6: all those things need to be figured out.

27:32 Speaker 3: Yeah, And to your point, right, we don't know were

27:35 Speaker 3: there were there reports from other cities and towns in

27:40 Speaker 3: the days prior. This might have been, you know, a

27:43 Speaker 3: week long thing for all we know. Possibly that's actually

27:49 Speaker 3: a really good point.

27:50 Speaker 4: YEA.

27:51 Speaker 2: Our entrance into this case really starts with Carlos's visual

27:57 Speaker 2: We don't know, and that would make sense for how

28:00 Speaker 2: quick the military gained on him, because he peels off

28:03 Speaker 2: the highway, he gets to the farm where the debris

28:06 Speaker 2: is and you know, he's barely able to pick up

28:10 Speaker 2: a few pieces of metal and take in what's happening

28:13 Speaker 2: before the military is coming from the opposite side, so

28:16 Speaker 2: they're clearly already on their way through, right, And this.

28:20 Speaker 3: Is what I'm you know, this is what I'm saying.

28:22 Speaker 3: We've got to again step back from the spectacle. Whether

28:26 Speaker 3: it's this or you know, anything else, we've got to

28:29 Speaker 3: step back from the spectacle, and we got to start

28:31 Speaker 3: thinking about things, you know, step by step. So let's

28:35 Speaker 3: you know, let's say this thing even crashed in the

28:38 Speaker 3: you know, in in the forest across the street from

28:41 Speaker 3: the military base, if there even were a military base there. Right,

28:46 Speaker 3: there is not a room full of people that are

28:49 Speaker 3: sitting around staring at each other all day waiting for

28:53 Speaker 3: something to happen to respond to. Everybody has a normal

28:58 Speaker 3: job that they're doing. And you know, you take that

29:01 Speaker 3: the US military, that could be any number of things. Right,

29:05 Speaker 3: There aren't specific teams sitting around waiting for something bad

29:09 Speaker 3: to happen. Something bad happens, stuff starts kicking into the gear.

29:15 Speaker 3: Everybody gets called in to all of their workplaces as

29:20 Speaker 3: the commanders begin to figure out what exactly do we

29:23 Speaker 3: need and who exactly do we need to go do that.

29:27 Speaker 3: And you're talking, you know, in the US military, you're

29:30 Speaker 3: talking at best, people in combat type positions. You know,

29:35 Speaker 3: you've got fifteen to thirty minutes sometimes to get forty

29:38 Speaker 3: people together and dressed and ready to go. So not

29:44 Speaker 3: trying to disrespect the Brazilian military in any way, but

29:48 Speaker 3: do they you know, in ninety six where they able

29:50 Speaker 3: to respond similarly in the same way that a unit

29:55 Speaker 3: with trucks and resources in personnel could get thirty people

30:02 Speaker 3: in thirty minutes, dressed in out into a field.

30:08 Speaker 4: I think they've been seeing the Kraft for a few days. Basically,

30:11 Speaker 4: they've been seeing them for over a course of either

30:13 Speaker 4: a week or so. And it was two crap, not

30:14 Speaker 4: just one. Also, I got Carlos to admit that the

30:17 Speaker 4: craft that I showed him in the video was identical

30:19 Speaker 4: to what he saw on the live stream, So that

30:21 Speaker 4: was awesome.

30:22 Speaker 6: What craft did you show?

30:24 Speaker 3: The cigar one?

30:25 Speaker 4: The silver cigar one that's on my It's on my

30:28 Speaker 4: one of my latest shorts.

30:29 Speaker 2: Okay, I'll pull it up on X But I mean,

30:33 Speaker 2: what if again, if it did look like this kind

30:36 Speaker 2: of like if we you know, assuming Darring inference here,

30:42 Speaker 2: but if these things are the same, could they have

30:47 Speaker 2: been you know, dropping from eighty thousand feet down, you know,

30:52 Speaker 2: over that area, just like you know they did with

30:54 Speaker 2: the Nimitz and then for sure something happens, right or

30:58 Speaker 2: could that be where we derived if the tic TAC

31:01 Speaker 2: technology somewhere down the line. I don't think that matters

31:05 Speaker 2: as much.

31:05 Speaker 6: Possibilities are limitless, rotten what could have been.

31:10 Speaker 2: But I think it's safe to say that the military

31:16 Speaker 2: they're clearly watching not just our airspace but the planetary airspace.

31:24 Speaker 2: There's some sort of like I don't know, response, like

31:28 Speaker 2: rapid response team that, like Jean said, they do their

31:33 Speaker 2: other jobs, but when shit goes down and they get

31:36 Speaker 2: the call, you know, they they're they're on a plane

31:39 Speaker 2: to wherever.

31:40 Speaker 6: Well America. They don't have any other job, you know.

31:43 Speaker 6: That's what I would point I was going to make

31:44 Speaker 6: in America, like Jean was saying, Yeah, thirty minutes, we

31:48 Speaker 6: have a team of seals on base ready to go.

31:51 Speaker 4: Yeah ready.

31:51 Speaker 6: I find it hard to believe that Brazil has that capability.

31:55 Speaker 6: I would think locally it's half farmer, half military. Every

32:00 Speaker 6: person round them up from the local village. You know,

32:04 Speaker 6: it's a I just think back then, especially, it would

32:06 Speaker 6: be a big difference between assets America have versus assets

32:10 Speaker 6: Brazil had it, Well, here's that can reach anywhere within

32:15 Speaker 6: thirty minutes.

32:16 Speaker 2: Basically, and within a day or two. They concede the

32:21 Speaker 2: body and the craft to the US Air Force seemingly

32:26 Speaker 2: seemingly they don't.

32:27 Speaker 4: I don't think they had a choice. They were coming,

32:29 Speaker 4: whether you wanted to or not. Like we're landing and

32:31 Speaker 4: that's that. So when the colonel said that there's going

32:33 Speaker 4: to be a paper trail.

32:36 Speaker 6: If I had a guess, I would say there's been

32:39 Speaker 6: an agreement between American allies for quite a while that

32:43 Speaker 6: if something cratches something namelyst that America is coming to

32:47 Speaker 6: get it.

32:47 Speaker 3: Dibbs, Yeah, I agree with you, absolutely, see you, guys.

32:51 Speaker 3: I think the one other aspect of that too is

32:53 Speaker 3: again resources based. You know, do would any of these

32:59 Speaker 3: other nations have the financial and technical resources to exploit

33:07 Speaker 3: whatever it is improperly investigate it? You know? So that

33:12 Speaker 3: may again it might not be just brute force that

33:15 Speaker 3: we're going in there taking it, but it very well

33:17 Speaker 3: may be a matter of that we have the capacity

33:22 Speaker 3: to handle it, to absorb it, to absorb the costs

33:26 Speaker 3: and everything associated with it, and real quick if I can.

33:30 Speaker 3: I wanted to bring something up because what part of

33:33 Speaker 3: the evidence that people were talking about were the smells

33:36 Speaker 3: and the odors. And so I dove into again my

33:42 Speaker 3: father in law's work and mentioning nothing nothing about the incident,

33:48 Speaker 3: you know, in Vargina or Brazil, but purely based upon

33:53 Speaker 3: the idea of the components that he describes being in there,

33:59 Speaker 3: if there were a crash, what smells might come from

34:03 Speaker 3: the crash. And essentially it says that the if any

34:13 Speaker 3: of the bearing feedstock escaped in a failure, the smell

34:18 Speaker 3: would be a sharp pull, bleach slash chlorine odor, and

34:25 Speaker 3: that in another part of it, if that burned in

34:28 Speaker 3: a crash, you'd get the acrid burnt plastic slash electrical

34:33 Speaker 3: insulation kind of smell that people are most familiar with,

34:39 Speaker 3: So mostly a burnt plastic, electric and chlorine type. And

34:45 Speaker 3: if I remember correctly, somebody was saying something like an

34:47 Speaker 3: ammonious smell. Yeah.

34:52 Speaker 2: And so one thing I was a little confused at

34:56 Speaker 2: was when doctor Edelo in his testimony he talked about

35:00 Speaker 2: how the body uh didn't have a like a smell

35:06 Speaker 2: He's and I don't know what if he's referring to,

35:09 Speaker 2: because this this one was alive, right, So if it

35:13 Speaker 2: was the stuff that was because That's where I got

35:17 Speaker 2: a little confused, because I'm trying to follow this sulfur

35:20 Speaker 2: smell because I think that's a very unique detail coupling

35:24 Speaker 2: the fact with that and sorry, my weed just arrived.

35:31 Speaker 2: I was I've been so concerned with where this went

35:36 Speaker 2: that I've been so unfocused. Anyway, thank you the sulfur smell,

35:45 Speaker 2: because the doctor Evelo in his testimony said the body

35:48 Speaker 2: had no smell, and that threw me off. I was like,

35:51 Speaker 2: wait a second, because I thought they had to shut

35:53 Speaker 2: the the the hospital down. So what's bringing in that smell?

35:59 Speaker 2: Is it the line that they excrete in the hot sun?

36:03 Speaker 2: That is a defense mechanism because they're actually aquatic beings

36:07 Speaker 2: giving them that red eye, horned eye look, red eye

36:10 Speaker 2: horned head look as well. I mean, I start my

36:15 Speaker 2: mind just starts going a million miles per hour.

36:17 Speaker 3: What is it? Could be?

36:19 Speaker 4: It could be a mixture of a few things. Could be

36:20 Speaker 4: the liquid that was in the craft itself that was

36:22 Speaker 4: getting on people at viscous stuff.

36:24 Speaker 2: It could got white vapor right right.

36:26 Speaker 4: It could be it could be their skin itself. They

36:28 Speaker 4: claim that a lot of the grays excrete from their skin,

36:32 Speaker 4: could be nervous tick. It could be like, you know,

36:34 Speaker 4: oh my god, I'm freaking out. I'm gonna die because

36:37 Speaker 4: you listen to what the doctor was saying, the alien

36:39 Speaker 4: looks afraid and staring out the window and then looking

36:41 Speaker 4: at him and looking out the window like he wanted

36:43 Speaker 4: to leave. So clearly, I would assume that the aliens

36:46 Speaker 4: given off some type of pheromone or or off gassing

36:49 Speaker 4: of something. You know. If that's the case, that's the

36:51 Speaker 4: only thing that I could think of, or.

36:54 Speaker 3: What your microphones at least I'm here and now don't

36:57 Speaker 3: know if anyone else. That's kind of in and out.

37:00 Speaker 2: Yeah it's stream stream yard. Yea streamyard does.

37:04 Speaker 3: Yeah. Bro, I'm like fighting with it.

37:05 Speaker 4: It's driving me crazy.

37:07 Speaker 7: Okay, wow, Now, so let me ask was there were

37:10 Speaker 7: there two different Were there reports of smells associated with

37:15 Speaker 7: the crash and smells associated with the creature in the

37:19 Speaker 7: hospital or just one.

37:22 Speaker 2: Because Okay, the Carlos smells it upon arrival at the scene.

37:30 Speaker 2: But I think it's safe to say that the craft

37:35 Speaker 2: was nowhere near the hospital, right. I think we could.

37:40 Speaker 3: Say that they the same smell at both.

37:43 Speaker 2: And they reported the same smell at both. So I

37:45 Speaker 2: don't know what it is because and that's what's throwing

37:49 Speaker 2: me off. I mean, could it just be this like

37:52 Speaker 2: smell that just encompasses like I said that the bodies

37:56 Speaker 2: like in peril, because any time we hear about the smell,

38:01 Speaker 2: it's in some sort of for the alien, for the being,

38:05 Speaker 2: it's in some sort of like situation. You wouldn't want

38:07 Speaker 2: to be in on a on a planet that you're

38:09 Speaker 2: not from, in the hot sun in January, which is

38:13 Speaker 2: summer for Brazil. Right.

38:16 Speaker 3: You know what, aren't you reminded Independence Day the movie

38:20 Speaker 3: when Will Smith the alien crashes and he first sees

38:25 Speaker 3: the alien and he knocks it out, and he's sitting

38:30 Speaker 3: having the cigar. He goes, and what is that smell?

38:35 Speaker 6: Oh that's a great point. Holy, well done.

38:39 Speaker 4: I'm telling you these movies have reality.

38:42 Speaker 6: I'm telling you, well, what did they say?

38:44 Speaker 5: Art?

38:44 Speaker 6: Art imitates life?

38:45 Speaker 4: Right? It's a slow It's a slow drip to disclosure,

38:48 Speaker 4: is what it is.

38:49 Speaker 5: Holy?

38:49 Speaker 2: How has no one brought that up before?

38:52 Speaker 6: How is bean pickall, ladies and gentlemen, how no one.

38:57 Speaker 2: Caught that detail before?

38:59 Speaker 4: Got whistling Mike in the shat?

39:00 Speaker 2: What I was saying, like, damn, bro, Well, that is

39:03 Speaker 2: very interesting because, like I said, you know when the

39:06 Speaker 2: girls come upon the creature, when Marco Sherizi comes upon

39:10 Speaker 2: the creature, and I don't even like using that word

39:13 Speaker 2: creature because it invokes this like monster in your mind.

39:16 Speaker 2: So when they come across the being, Marco, I mean,

39:21 Speaker 2: the thing's running across the street has no idea. It's

39:24 Speaker 2: like it's it's not doing well. And he grabs it

39:30 Speaker 2: and detains the thing. So that's where he gets in trouble, right,

39:36 Speaker 2: He gets a scratch and then then his antibody like

39:40 Speaker 2: something attacks his his whole system. So and then but

39:45 Speaker 2: the girls see it and it's in the corner, kind

39:48 Speaker 2: of hunched over, trying to get out of the sun.

39:51 Speaker 2: And it's slimy, it's got like some slime. Look, it's

39:54 Speaker 2: got red eyes and horns. They think they see a demon.

39:57 Speaker 2: I mean sulfur smell red eyes. I'd think it was

40:00 Speaker 2: a demon too.

40:01 Speaker 4: And the ones the ones that sort of locks eyes

40:02 Speaker 4: with it, and it says, either leave me alone or

40:04 Speaker 4: help me.

40:05 Speaker 2: And that's another theme I was gonna bring up, is

40:08 Speaker 2: this telepathic like communication between So it's like what when

40:13 Speaker 2: you look at directly in the eyes, mm hmm something.

40:18 Speaker 2: Maybe that's where you entangle with it, like where where

40:22 Speaker 2: it can entangle itself with your consciousness or so. I

40:25 Speaker 2: don't know that, I don't think, but there's That's another

40:28 Speaker 2: commonality is most of the witnesses had I would I

40:31 Speaker 2: would be so interested if we could hear from Marco

40:35 Speaker 2: Sherisi today if he had any while he's holding it, right,

40:41 Speaker 2: he's holding it for the right length of a car

40:44 Speaker 2: ride to the hospital. I mean, you have to you

40:48 Speaker 2: have to start pondering, like did he because he was

40:52 Speaker 2: also pretty okay with everything in the hospital while he

40:56 Speaker 2: was dying. From what I understand, he he knew that

41:00 Speaker 2: something wasn't right, the story, what they were telling it

41:04 Speaker 2: wasn't right. But he told his sister and I think

41:06 Speaker 2: you can quote me on this, this story is going

41:10 Speaker 2: to change the world. What did he know or what

41:15 Speaker 2: did he think was going to happen?

41:17 Speaker 6: Well, he was holding an alien in his arms. The

41:20 Speaker 6: thing you got to take from that point of view,

41:22 Speaker 6: he's like, holy shit, you know, like public finds out

41:26 Speaker 6: about this, it's it's you know, the world changes, right.

41:31 Speaker 3: He thinks all the same, you know, the New York

41:33 Speaker 3: Times are going to show up. He doesn't realize it's

41:35 Speaker 3: going to take quite the opposite term. Right.

41:38 Speaker 2: And his mother, his mother is someone who's very interesting

41:44 Speaker 2: and I remember talking to you guys about this on

41:45 Speaker 2: the on the right home. His mother, she went along

41:50 Speaker 2: with the state secret She the sister describes her as

41:55 Speaker 2: being complacent.

41:57 Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you think happened?

41:58 Speaker 4: She probably they probably scared the sh at her, probably

42:00 Speaker 4: said no choice, right, do this or else.

42:04 Speaker 2: Your son died a hero. They probably gave her that

42:07 Speaker 2: hole speed.

42:07 Speaker 4: And then here's the other thing, sorry, go ahead about

42:14 Speaker 4: they're talking about zooming the body, right, what if that

42:16 Speaker 4: body is not there? Or what if it's a different

42:18 Speaker 4: body that that right there is going to be like

42:20 Speaker 4: the biggest And that was a question I wanted to ask.

42:22 Speaker 4: But they, you know, everybody, that guy was yelling about

42:25 Speaker 4: freaking politics. That was my question, Joe, when we were

42:28 Speaker 4: saying I want to ask a question, that was what

42:30 Speaker 4: I wanted to ask. Well, you know, what's the what's

42:32 Speaker 4: the status of the body? What if the body's not there?

42:34 Speaker 4: Because because that guy was right, that guy was right,

42:37 Speaker 4: if it's I look at it from from a work

42:39 Speaker 4: biological hazard standpoint. You can't go putting a biological hazard

42:42 Speaker 4: like that in the grounds. If he did die from that,

42:44 Speaker 4: you just can't do that, like you'll you'll contaminate everything,

42:47 Speaker 4: especially it being alien and he did if he if

42:49 Speaker 4: he did hypothetically die from that, they all do know.

42:51 Speaker 4: You can't just go stick in a body in the

42:52 Speaker 4: ground with God knows what isn't it?

42:54 Speaker 2: No, theyerd him right, So that was that's a great point.

42:59 Speaker 2: I didn't even think about that, dude.

43:01 Speaker 4: And then and then we got to test the DNA

43:02 Speaker 4: for the body. What if it's what it's totally not him,

43:04 Speaker 4: you know what I mean. So that's my thoughts. I

43:08 Speaker 4: know it's part of the will, but I put enough

43:10 Speaker 4: in past him. You saw that people cut Dylan Borland's

43:12 Speaker 4: break lines. You know, they threw somebody to have a

43:14 Speaker 4: fourteen story window. I think of all the crazy ship

43:16 Speaker 4: that's been done, then this is nothing.

43:19 Speaker 2: Allegedly we got up, we got up, we gotta be

43:23 Speaker 2: fair here, allegedly cut his brake lines.

43:27 Speaker 6: I think he'd make it up.

43:28 Speaker 4: The dude who got lost launch out of the window.

43:30 Speaker 4: I believe that happened, and I don't believe he decided

43:32 Speaker 4: I want to fly today because he was looking to

43:34 Speaker 4: get out, you know what I mean, he was like, oh,

43:36 Speaker 4: its flapped my fre wings.

43:37 Speaker 3: Let's be honest.

43:43 Speaker 4: Yes, I always forget his name.

43:45 Speaker 6: I think they either threw him out of the window

43:47 Speaker 6: or they trend his family and he did one of

43:50 Speaker 6: one or the other.

43:53 Speaker 3: Before we go down, Before we get too fire off track,

43:57 Speaker 3: each of you had some kind kind of time one

44:01 Speaker 3: on one with the witnesses, So I think it'd be

44:04 Speaker 3: good for everybody listening, Like if you can each kind

44:07 Speaker 3: of take a few minutes and go through the just

44:10 Speaker 3: the one on ones that you had, you know, and

44:14 Speaker 3: let's do it uninterrupted. So really, you know, what were

44:17 Speaker 3: you what did you talk about? What were your thoughts?

44:21 Speaker 3: How did they you know? Again, what was the read?

44:24 Speaker 3: Because that's you know, those are the points where you're

44:27 Speaker 3: up close and personal. So I mean, let's I think

44:30 Speaker 3: that's worth giving a little bit of attention to, you know,

44:33 Speaker 3: without distraction.

44:36 Speaker 6: I have to jump off here, I was gonna say. First, Yeah,

44:42 Speaker 6: so I I didn't talk to the witnesses afterwards. There

44:46 Speaker 6: are just too many people. I didn't feel like playing

44:48 Speaker 6: with the crowd. But I thought the witnesses were phenomenal.

44:52 Speaker 6: I thought the event was an absolute success. I don't

44:56 Speaker 6: think it does anything but move the conversation forward for disclosure.

45:02 Speaker 6: The more media that that the disclosure subject gets, the better.

45:08 Speaker 6: I think it was awesome meeting you guys there. It

45:10 Speaker 6: was you know, meeting some other people in our community.

45:13 Speaker 6: There was great, and I just think the whole thing

45:16 Speaker 6: was success. Congratulations to James Fox for putting that together.

45:21 Speaker 6: And one thing I do want to say is James

45:24 Speaker 6: Fox is a very intelligent guy and a very impressive guy,

45:29 Speaker 6: and you can tell by talking to him for one

45:31 Speaker 6: second that he wholeheartedly believes in this case with every

45:36 Speaker 6: fiber of his being. So either everybody involved in this

45:40 Speaker 6: case is a master con artist and pulled the wool

45:43 Speaker 6: over his eyes, or there there is some there there,

45:47 Speaker 6: and I don't think there's any question about that. So

45:49 Speaker 6: hopefully we can keep digging and just keep uncovering the

45:52 Speaker 6: truth about what happened in Virginia. But thanks for having

45:56 Speaker 6: me on and great show.

45:57 Speaker 3: And UAP reporting center on X well.

46:02 Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, you and be reporting center on X same

46:04 Speaker 6: thing on YouTube, So give me a follow. I'm always

46:08 Speaker 6: posting stuff and I appreciate.

46:10 Speaker 2: It, alright, bro all right, gee host and dude, is

46:14 Speaker 2: I love it? I gotta do nothing. Uh, Joe, let's

46:19 Speaker 2: end wrangle cats.

46:20 Speaker 3: That's all.

46:22 Speaker 2: Soon. I'd love to I'd love to collab on something, man.

46:25 Speaker 6: Yeah, anytime.

46:26 Speaker 3: Just let me know. Take care, all right.

46:30 Speaker 2: And then it was three, So Vito, you're up next

46:37 Speaker 2: when you got to sit and stand with the witnesses.

46:39 Speaker 4: Yeah, so the same as Joe, I really didn't tell

46:42 Speaker 4: I wanted to just ask a question into Q and I.

46:44 Speaker 4: The only reason one I got to speak to was

46:45 Speaker 4: Carlos with the question of the of the craft, and

46:49 Speaker 4: that blew my mind because like he took a look

46:52 Speaker 4: at it for a second and was like, that is

46:54 Speaker 4: identical to what I saw, like literally identical. So that

46:58 Speaker 4: was the best part. But yeah, like Joe, it, I

47:00 Speaker 4: didn't want to bother and it was too many people

47:02 Speaker 4: in their faces and stuff like that.

47:04 Speaker 3: I showed I showed James Fox the video.

47:07 Speaker 4: He was his mind was kind of blown at that,

47:09 Speaker 4: and I said, you know, Carlos said, this was the VI,

47:11 Speaker 4: this is the vehicle. This is identical to what he saw.

47:13 Speaker 4: So that was about it. I mean, like I said,

47:15 Speaker 4: I was just chilling with like Nicoatelli and Geno from

47:17 Speaker 4: the WiFi is a couple of other guys that just

47:19 Speaker 4: walking around and live stream and I wasn't doing Yeah,

47:22 Speaker 4: I didn't do a lot of interviews.

47:23 Speaker 2: At the end, I'm trying to find.

47:26 Speaker 3: You seem to got got a moment with Megan.

47:29 Speaker 4: Yes, I gotta, I gotta, I gotta.

47:30 Speaker 3: I got a fun.

47:31 Speaker 4: Little moment with Megan uh where we pranked Bigfoot Disclosure

47:34 Speaker 4: Dyers as well, because he's been he kind of like

47:37 Speaker 4: got us a couple. I love his videos by the way.

47:39 Speaker 4: I think it's I think the I think we need

47:40 Speaker 4: more of that. We need more levity in a community

47:43 Speaker 4: and and enough of the drama and the hatred and

47:46 Speaker 4: you know the docxing. We need just more more togetherness

47:49 Speaker 4: and more like what the four of us did. I

47:51 Speaker 4: didn't know you guys from Adam. We got together in

47:53 Speaker 4: a car, we drove, We had a great time. Joe

47:56 Speaker 4: joined us because he didn't he didn't take the ride

47:58 Speaker 4: with it because he came from PA and it was

47:59 Speaker 4: a last We need more of that, like anytime there's

48:01 Speaker 4: something like that. And I can get the time off.

48:03 Speaker 4: As long as you two boys are down, I'm down.

48:05 Speaker 4: Let's do it. Yeah, get up for asses and get

48:08 Speaker 4: out there. I loved it.

48:10 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was some of the most more. I would

48:12 Speaker 2: say that that was probably one of, if not the

48:17 Speaker 2: highlights of this year so far. And I know it's

48:20 Speaker 2: only been fucking one month out of the year. It's

48:23 Speaker 2: been a long This month has been.

48:26 Speaker 3: A long month. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah right, But.

48:31 Speaker 2: That's what this whole thing, you know, the moral, the theme,

48:35 Speaker 2: the things that we kept touching on is is leaving

48:39 Speaker 2: this digital world behind and getting out. Touching grass is

48:46 Speaker 2: as as kind of cliche as it sounds, like getting

48:49 Speaker 2: out and and and getting boots on the ground and

48:53 Speaker 2: just you know, whether you know I've done that before,

48:56 Speaker 2: I've I've I've grown almost addicted to it at this point.

49:00 Speaker 2: Is actually like when an event like this happens, I

49:03 Speaker 2: almost feel a fear of missing out if I'm not there.

49:06 Speaker 2: And that is because of the opportunities the even just

49:13 Speaker 2: like the feeling of like sitting in the room while

49:18 Speaker 2: while it's happening, even if you weren't a streamer podcaster,

49:22 Speaker 2: just being there and hearing it for your own ears,

49:24 Speaker 2: not watching it online, like it just brings a heavier

49:29 Speaker 2: toll with it. It impacts you more because you're in

49:33 Speaker 2: the room. You feel the electricity, you feel the vibe,

49:36 Speaker 2: you feel what had to come together, everything that had

49:39 Speaker 2: to work, every piece of the puzzle, they had to

49:42 Speaker 2: come together to show this final landscape.

49:45 Speaker 4: And I definitely had fomo of leaving early in Joe

49:48 Speaker 4: staying at night extra. I absolutely had fomo. I wanted

49:51 Speaker 4: to stay so.

49:51 Speaker 3: Bad, right right, Yeah, that was getting tired. Where did

49:54 Speaker 3: you guys go?

49:54 Speaker 2: I'm like, shit, I stayed a while after cod packed

50:00 Speaker 2: in the desert and it wasn't like I had a

50:04 Speaker 2: I had a fear of why didn't I leave already?

50:09 Speaker 1: Oh?

50:09 Speaker 3: Is that bad?

50:10 Speaker 2: Yeah?

50:10 Speaker 4: Yeah, I want to I'm definitely need to look into Contact. Brother,

50:12 Speaker 4: I gotta I gotta find out. Contact is just like

50:14 Speaker 4: I want to.

50:15 Speaker 2: Go days and by the end of it, people are

50:17 Speaker 2: just like, dude, I'm out of here. I'm out of here.

50:22 Speaker 4: I can see that. I can totally see that. But

50:24 Speaker 4: I think it'd be blessed the three or four of

50:26 Speaker 4: us go into Contact together.

50:27 Speaker 3: Can then.

50:29 Speaker 2: Like, can you just DM it to me? I'm looking

50:31 Speaker 2: on your page. I can't find it.

50:33 Speaker 3: Yeah. I want to bring one other thing about that ride,

50:36 Speaker 3: I'm looking forward to the Ty was taking a lot

50:39 Speaker 3: of videos along that trip, and yeah, he was sneaking

50:43 Speaker 3: now and then, so there's gonna be some good outtakes

50:46 Speaker 3: in that.

50:46 Speaker 4: Oh yeah. Anytime it was like silence and like, what

50:48 Speaker 4: is he doing back there?

50:49 Speaker 3: I look back, you know it.

50:52 Speaker 4: But but I don't get to experience that often because

50:56 Speaker 4: usually it's me with the camera. So it was great

50:58 Speaker 4: to like not be the direct So I thank you

51:00 Speaker 4: for that, you know what I mean, Like it was

51:02 Speaker 4: so good to just be the pretty face in front

51:04 Speaker 4: of the camera occasionally, you know what I mean.

51:06 Speaker 3: It was so thank you the usually what you do.

51:10 Speaker 2: There was one point where I'm on the second floor

51:12 Speaker 2: of the hotel and I'm looking down on you guys,

51:16 Speaker 2: and you guys are having some drinks and it's, uh,

51:19 Speaker 2: it's all of you everyone, Yeah, you Totelli, Gino. I'm

51:25 Speaker 2: looking down on you guys and you guys cheers, and

51:28 Speaker 2: then I saw Geene ended up catching my eye and

51:31 Speaker 2: he looked up and saw me, but no one else

51:34 Speaker 2: did for the whole time, and I got some of

51:36 Speaker 2: the shot where you guys toast. I was like, I

51:39 Speaker 2: could not have scripted that, right, I could not have

51:44 Speaker 2: scripted that myself. I mean I could have, but it

51:47 Speaker 2: would have it wouldn't have looked the way you.

51:50 Speaker 4: Get it, just like right, it was.

51:52 Speaker 3: It was.

51:53 Speaker 4: It was candid love. It was moments. Candid moments are

51:57 Speaker 4: everything to me. I can't stand contrived. And also, thank

52:01 Speaker 4: god you're not one of those guys that are like,

52:02 Speaker 4: let's do another two, because I probably would have choked you.

52:04 Speaker 4: I can't do the fake.

52:06 Speaker 3: I love real. It's got to be real.

52:08 Speaker 2: I get what you get, right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, but

52:11 Speaker 2: I did. I did get the I have it on

52:14 Speaker 2: video too of my conversations with both the witnesses. Actually,

52:20 Speaker 2: while I was talking to Carlos to SUSA, all of

52:23 Speaker 2: a sudden, I'm asking him very very pointed, very very

52:29 Speaker 2: specific questions, and all of a sudden from above me,

52:34 Speaker 2: I see a boom, mic come over me.

52:36 Speaker 5: What the fuck me?

52:41 Speaker 2: It was the Brazilians. Uh yeah, they they they just

52:45 Speaker 2: started because I was asking such good questions and like

52:48 Speaker 2: had such a flow.

52:49 Speaker 4: Yeah, no, you were up there, dude. I was like,

52:51 Speaker 4: you know what, there's no point, Ty's got it.

52:53 Speaker 2: Yeah.

52:53 Speaker 3: I was up there.

52:54 Speaker 2: I was flowing. I had the translator like me and her.

52:57 Speaker 2: I talked to her for a few minutes before I'm like,

52:59 Speaker 2: you know this what I want to ask? Can you

53:01 Speaker 2: can we do this? And then just Brazilian camera crew

53:05 Speaker 2: just started surrounding me. But I asked when I was

53:08 Speaker 2: with Carlos, I kept saying, I specifically looking into his eyes.

53:16 Speaker 2: He has these he has these eyes that it's almost

53:21 Speaker 2: like you're looking into the like the and I don't

53:24 Speaker 2: want to sound certain way about this. I am a

53:27 Speaker 2: straight male, but he has very nice eyes hypnotized. I'm

53:35 Speaker 2: talking to him and it's almost like I can feel

53:37 Speaker 2: what he's feeling. And every time I thank.

53:40 Speaker 3: Him, very very sincere.

53:42 Speaker 2: Every time I say thank you know what you're doing

53:46 Speaker 2: it takes it takes heart because you have to, like,

53:49 Speaker 2: you know, when it's a different language and there's that barrier,

53:52 Speaker 2: you start talking like a fucking You're talking to a

53:54 Speaker 2: two year old for some reason, it's weird. But so

53:57 Speaker 2: I'm like expressing myself like a baboon and I'm like,

54:00 Speaker 2: but he then he flips it every time and he said, no,

54:04 Speaker 2: I wouldn't be telling this story if it wasn't for

54:08 Speaker 2: the warm embrace I felt from this community. This, you know,

54:14 Speaker 2: James Fox the moment of contact film. So you know,

54:18 Speaker 2: just they that the reason they are coming forward, people

54:23 Speaker 2: like that are coming forward right now, are because they

54:26 Speaker 2: feel comfortable with an audience like us.

54:29 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's such an important point, Tye. And

54:32 Speaker 3: you know, if we can only imagine there the limited

54:38 Speaker 3: contact really that they had with Americans in this space,

54:43 Speaker 3: they're mostly relying on, you know, James and his small

54:46 Speaker 3: team who incidentally some of the Gavin Evolution, some of

54:52 Speaker 3: the guys who were assisting him, Yes, show that, I mean.

54:55 Speaker 4: Shot a lot of a lot of more experiences too,

54:58 Speaker 4: Like they're good people.

54:59 Speaker 3: Yeah, Gavin story they have. I mean, that's what I said.

55:04 Speaker 3: I don't care what you feel about James Fox or anything.

55:08 Speaker 3: That was a top class event. You can see the

55:13 Speaker 3: resources that were poured into that, not to make it

55:17 Speaker 3: a spectacle, but to make it accessible. You know, the translators,

55:24 Speaker 3: the crew, the ability to interact with that with the

55:29 Speaker 3: crew and talk to them, and you can tell those

55:32 Speaker 3: guys were our top professionals themselves, and so that, you know,

55:38 Speaker 3: that's the first impression that these witnesses from Brazil are getting.

55:44 Speaker 3: And then they come here and they look and there's

55:46 Speaker 3: a room full of people who are interested, who are there,

55:50 Speaker 3: and being supportive and not attacking them.

55:55 Speaker 8: Again as asking thoughtful questions about their experiences, and to

56:02 Speaker 8: have representative Burleson in the front row. And then the

56:06 Speaker 8: there was a representative of the brazil or a Brazilian

56:10 Speaker 8: senator who was there not officially representing the Brazilian Senate.

56:17 Speaker 8: He came of his own accord, on his own dime

56:19 Speaker 8: to support these witnesses, but spoke a lot about the

56:25 Speaker 8: interest in cooperating, you know, and with with the Americans.

56:31 Speaker 3: Do you help them?

56:32 Speaker 2: Do you think they will? Jean, I got a question,

56:36 Speaker 2: what's the legal authority to exhuom that body? What would

56:41 Speaker 2: we have to go through or what what would have

56:43 Speaker 2: to Would you have.

56:44 Speaker 3: To get permission from the parents? I would assume, like,

56:46 Speaker 3: well it would, I mean it would be the it

56:48 Speaker 3: would be the brazil So again it's according to Brazilian laws.

56:52 Speaker 3: So I don't know the Brazilian laws much more generally,

56:58 Speaker 3: right it is, well they might again they might be

57:03 Speaker 3: much more restrictive in some ways from a cultural slash

57:10 Speaker 3: religious background, But all that aside, generally, what does it

57:14 Speaker 3: take to exhume a body? It takes evidence after the

57:22 Speaker 3: after the burial that would lead to you know, a

57:26 Speaker 3: reasonable suspicion or reasonable cause or probable cause to question

57:33 Speaker 3: the manner of death, and the only way to resolve

57:38 Speaker 3: it is to re examine the body. Again, So that's

57:46 Speaker 3: at least the standard in the US. Would the same

57:51 Speaker 3: evidence presented to a US judge to exhume the body

57:58 Speaker 3: be granted, you know, I don't. I don't know what

58:02 Speaker 3: that standard of evidence is in Brazil, right, it's got

58:07 Speaker 3: to be.

58:07 Speaker 4: But whatever their laws are, tie that the link is

58:10 Speaker 4: in the chat.

58:12 Speaker 2: Oh thank you, yeah, because I would I when they

58:16 Speaker 2: had mentioned that, I was like, oh damn that that

58:21 Speaker 2: would be. That would be a power move if they

58:24 Speaker 2: could do that. But then again, like are we are

58:27 Speaker 2: we crossing a line at that point? Because like morally,

58:31 Speaker 2: are we crossing a line? Just to just to like

58:35 Speaker 2: it's a real gray area, because like in my head,

58:38 Speaker 2: I'm like, God, I don't know if this is right,

58:40 Speaker 2: Like I don't know if this is should we be

58:43 Speaker 2: going this far?

58:44 Speaker 3: Right?

58:45 Speaker 2: Then again?

58:45 Speaker 3: Why you know? And that's the whole thing. Is it

58:48 Speaker 3: a matter of based on this new evidence or based

58:53 Speaker 3: on the evidence that's now come forward because of all

58:56 Speaker 3: of this, they want to examine, is there is they're

59:00 Speaker 3: potentially a biological danger of some kind that's posed to

59:06 Speaker 3: the ground and ground water. That's a case that might

59:10 Speaker 3: be able to be made. Right, So somebody they think, oh,

59:13 Speaker 3: you know, this person got shot and they buried them,

59:15 Speaker 3: and then they found out, oh, he got shot with

59:17 Speaker 3: a you know, uranium bullet and it's still lodged inside

59:21 Speaker 3: the body and it's radioactive. You can bet you're they're

59:24 Speaker 3: going to exhume the body, remove the buried and the

59:27 Speaker 3: lead and all the rest of it. So, you know,

59:30 Speaker 3: if that's the case, they're trying to make that there is,

59:35 Speaker 3: or that by changing the cause of death has some

59:40 Speaker 3: net benefit for the family, perhaps historical significance. Again, we've

59:47 Speaker 3: seen historical figures who were exhumed to solve their murders.

59:52 Speaker 3: But you know, we're talking centuries sometimes after the initial burial,

59:59 Speaker 3: you know, So I I think it's a good thing

1:00:02 Speaker 3: to follow, something good to dig into a little bit

1:00:05 Speaker 3: more to understand the laws and literally the rationale behind

1:00:10 Speaker 3: the exempt the exooming the body, and again for the

1:00:14 Speaker 3: public body. We're all out there, you know, talking about

1:00:18 Speaker 3: this stuff. Let's get people's heads around the idea right,

1:00:22 Speaker 3: they don't just exum bodies because somebody said, you know

1:00:27 Speaker 3: it was because of an alien and you know these

1:00:30 Speaker 3: are long legal you know, legal and medical professionals have

1:00:35 Speaker 3: to agree that there is a valid reason to do it. Right.

1:00:39 Speaker 4: I wonder do they cremate in Brazil? Like is it

1:00:42 Speaker 4: is it? Is it mandatory? That's a good question.

1:00:47 Speaker 3: They want to be talking about exooming anybody if there

1:00:49 Speaker 3: was mandatory cremation. Oh yeah, right, you're right, right.

1:00:52 Speaker 2: So like I wonder someone said, I wonder what the

1:00:55 Speaker 2: grave site would be? Like I do too, I wonder

1:00:58 Speaker 2: if there is a grave site, like is there's some

1:01:00 Speaker 2: sort of memorial to him? Is that where he really is?

1:01:06 Speaker 3: Because you know, I just well again, in Brazil, the

1:01:11 Speaker 3: regular person, his family would have buried him. You know, however,

1:01:14 Speaker 3: the family buries it and it's you know, not going

1:01:17 Speaker 3: to be a giant you know, UFO with you know,

1:01:21 Speaker 3: but Allen had flowers around it just because he was

1:01:24 Speaker 3: involved in this incident.

1:01:26 Speaker 2: Right. Well, I guess more of my question is is

1:01:29 Speaker 2: if he died from an alien bacteria, right.

1:01:34 Speaker 3: Or an alien as.

1:01:38 Speaker 2: God can get me fucking canceled for that, I know.

1:01:46 Speaker 2: But if he died of some sort of like literally

1:01:50 Speaker 2: like unknown non human biologically something. Would they even release

1:02:00 Speaker 2: the body to the mother? Right? Would they even like

1:02:04 Speaker 2: was that something that.

1:02:05 Speaker 4: Should you can you take the chance of that getting loose?

1:02:08 Speaker 4: You have to think about that. You can't.

1:02:09 Speaker 2: Yeah, if we're basing it on. Okay, this really happened, right,

1:02:15 Speaker 2: That's the way he died. By what these people said.

1:02:17 Speaker 2: There was some sort of infection that they threw the

1:02:19 Speaker 2: fucking they threw the They threw every antibiotics, slash, you know,

1:02:25 Speaker 2: tool they had at it from their bat belt, and

1:02:27 Speaker 2: nothing even you know, remotely worked. His body essentially started

1:02:34 Speaker 2: working against him. I assume that's not something you just release.

1:02:39 Speaker 4: No, And I'm scared of it, of that of them

1:02:41 Speaker 4: weaponizing whatever that was, God forbid they can weaponize it.

1:02:44 Speaker 4: And now they turn on a don't trust this ship man,

1:02:47 Speaker 4: don't trust you.

1:02:50 Speaker 3: And that's what you're saying, we're getting excited about. They

1:02:52 Speaker 3: they very they very well could have just buried, you know,

1:02:56 Speaker 3: somebody else side boulders.

1:02:58 Speaker 4: Taking that taking there's no way to put that body

1:03:01 Speaker 4: in the grounds.

1:03:01 Speaker 3: Right. They have to still have to be you know,

1:03:06 Speaker 3: worked through and and and understood before I think they

1:03:10 Speaker 3: there's ever a shovel going shovel in the ground doesn't

1:03:12 Speaker 3: happen in anytime soon.

1:03:15 Speaker 2: He said it it's I I could have swore they

1:03:18 Speaker 2: said it was like nothing they'd ever seen before.

1:03:21 Speaker 4: Yeah, but even if it was still from the alien

1:03:23 Speaker 4: So you don't know what what specifically it was, you

1:03:27 Speaker 4: know what I mean?

1:03:28 Speaker 2: Yeah, and someone said I'm from Brazil, I'd be be

1:03:33 Speaker 2: o Tavia, I'd be what is the cultural like like

1:03:38 Speaker 2: worst case scenario if they're like really religious, what what

1:03:42 Speaker 2: would what would the the line and the sand be?

1:03:46 Speaker 2: You know, would they do You think they could actually

1:03:48 Speaker 2: pull off something like exooming that body? And if not,

1:03:53 Speaker 2: why does the Brazilian Congress just sub poena Eric Lopes?

1:03:58 Speaker 2: What's I mean, he's alive, you know where he is?

1:04:01 Speaker 3: I mean again, very much the same you know, we

1:04:04 Speaker 3: say that of our own politicians comparatively.

1:04:08 Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, why didn't they do this? Because it's because

1:04:10 Speaker 4: they know they're the complicit in it. That's why.

1:04:13 Speaker 2: Well, the I think, is it what they show it

1:04:16 Speaker 2: in a moment of contact, the is it the governor

1:04:19 Speaker 2: or mayor? I don't know. I think Virginia is kind

1:04:22 Speaker 2: of like a little big city like not like New York,

1:04:26 Speaker 2: but maybe like uh like.

1:04:29 Speaker 4: Uh, I'm curious if it's a hot lawrence, Like, hey,

1:04:38 Speaker 4: good idea.

1:04:39 Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'm gonna run in the I'm gonna go

1:04:41 Speaker 3: in the background here, and I'm going to run the

1:04:43 Speaker 3: characteristics and see where it sits on the on that

1:04:49 Speaker 3: chart of optimum conditions for craft operations.

1:04:54 Speaker 4: I was also really taken it back by the soldier's

1:04:57 Speaker 4: story with the soldier who basically said, I saw the body,

1:05:00 Speaker 4: I transported it, but he was completely incognito and voice altered.

1:05:05 Speaker 4: That's the one that really stuck out to me was him,

1:05:07 Speaker 4: because it's like, all right, dude, like you you saw

1:05:09 Speaker 4: some shit. The colonel's story was great to me, But

1:05:13 Speaker 4: I don't think there's a paper trail. I think if

1:05:15 Speaker 4: the United States are doing some dark shit like this,

1:05:17 Speaker 4: they're just showing up and doing what they want. They're

1:05:19 Speaker 4: not going to leave a paper trail. I think that's

1:05:21 Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know how military works, but I'm

1:05:23 Speaker 4: assuming black ops is just that you don't need to know.

1:05:27 Speaker 4: We ain't telling you shit.

1:05:29 Speaker 3: But beyond the you know, the paperwork trail is super

1:05:33 Speaker 3: would be super. But I think the bigger takeaway that

1:05:37 Speaker 3: the colonel was talking about is there are at least

1:05:40 Speaker 3: thirty or forty people who were involved in a sudden

1:05:45 Speaker 3: trip to Brazil in nineteen ninety six, and they might

1:05:51 Speaker 3: not know why they were going there, They might not

1:05:54 Speaker 3: know what was on the plane. They just know they

1:05:57 Speaker 3: went there and they came back and calling on and

1:06:02 Speaker 3: that those people, you know, he said they're upwards of seventy.

1:06:06 Speaker 3: Now I would say, you know, they're possibly even a

1:06:09 Speaker 3: little bit younger. You know, there are some sixty year

1:06:13 Speaker 3: old retirees perhaps or former Air Force members who would

1:06:19 Speaker 3: have had a hand in that operation and calling them

1:06:25 Speaker 3: forward not to say, you know, you know, did you

1:06:28 Speaker 3: see an alien body? Did you see a UFO? Just

1:06:31 Speaker 3: the fact did the flight happen? You know? Can you

1:06:35 Speaker 3: recall how many boxes of materials were brought on? Was

1:06:41 Speaker 3: there anything strange? Did it strang? Were there any rumors

1:06:44 Speaker 3: were there was there anybody else who got on the

1:06:47 Speaker 3: plane with you? There's a lot of information again from

1:06:50 Speaker 3: that that can be extracted. It's just identifying those people.

1:06:54 Speaker 3: And so I took his message as more of that

1:06:57 Speaker 3: call out for anybody who who was watching, anyone who

1:07:01 Speaker 3: had a family member who served in the Air Force

1:07:04 Speaker 3: in the nineties and might have flown see seventeen's you know,

1:07:08 Speaker 3: go ask Grandpa, you know, go ask Uncle Bob if

1:07:13 Speaker 3: he knew anything about this.

1:07:16 Speaker 4: So UFOs around the road just said something about why

1:07:19 Speaker 4: did anybody else get it on there?

1:07:20 Speaker 3: The infection?

1:07:22 Speaker 4: It's because he was the only one that got scratched.

1:07:24 Speaker 4: That's what happened. I guess whatever that liquid was got

1:07:26 Speaker 4: into his cut and that's what caused it. Ty, I

1:07:29 Speaker 4: sent it to your text message the exact the video itself.

1:07:34 Speaker 2: Okay, but the yeah, I think the infection part was.

1:07:40 Speaker 4: I mean, because he got a cut sunder his arm.

1:07:42 Speaker 2: Marco Marco, so Eric Lopes was the superior officer, you know,

1:07:49 Speaker 2: the higher rank, and they were in like the personal

1:07:53 Speaker 2: car they got the call to like Eric Lopes specifically.

1:07:58 Speaker 2: So Marco kind of only dies because he's friends with Eric,

1:08:02 Speaker 2: friendly enough where Eric got sent on a call and

1:08:05 Speaker 2: Eric was like, hey, you want to come, you know,

1:08:06 Speaker 2: want to come with me. I got this bullshit call

1:08:09 Speaker 2: like be on the lookout for something strange. I want

1:08:11 Speaker 2: to just drive around with me, And then they come

1:08:14 Speaker 2: across the fucking thing. It runs right across the road. Marco,

1:08:18 Speaker 2: being the passenger, gets out and and grapples the thing,

1:08:23 Speaker 2: has a little tussle. That's where he got scratched, right.

1:08:27 Speaker 3: Because raw dogs in bare hands crazy.

1:08:30 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Yeah, dude, that he did raw dog and alien.

1:08:34 Speaker 2: That's great.

1:08:36 Speaker 4: No way in hell I'm doing that. I don't know

1:08:38 Speaker 4: what's on that alien, and I ain't get nowhere near it.

1:08:40 Speaker 2: But think about that. That's what they sent them out

1:08:43 Speaker 2: with this amount of information, right, Hey, be on the

1:08:48 Speaker 2: lookout for something strange. Like what does that mean? What

1:08:51 Speaker 2: does that mean? So Eric says, hey, Marco, like I

1:08:54 Speaker 2: just got this, you know, like I just got this

1:08:56 Speaker 2: bullshit call. We're gonna want to go. We're gonna go

1:08:58 Speaker 2: blockade Virgin looking for some you know what they probably

1:09:03 Speaker 2: think is like some got out of the zoo, right,

1:09:06 Speaker 2: something got out of the zoo. You know whatever. We're

1:09:09 Speaker 2: gonna have to go fucking wrangle it up with the

1:09:11 Speaker 2: fire department. Just another night on the job and in Vargenia, right,

1:09:16 Speaker 2: and next thing you know, they come across this thing

1:09:19 Speaker 2: that's maybe not from this dimension. Right, they're not geared

1:09:24 Speaker 2: up for that, they're not bacterial suits.

1:09:28 Speaker 4: And as the resident career firefighter. It's it's silly to say,

1:09:31 Speaker 4: but like, legitimately we get called for some of the

1:09:34 Speaker 4: craziest ship and it doesn't put I wouldn't. I wouldn't

1:09:38 Speaker 4: think twice if we got a call for an alien,

1:09:40 Speaker 4: you know what I mean? Yeah, random shit, it really is.

1:09:45 Speaker 2: Again, they're not they're not even calling for an alien.

1:09:47 Speaker 2: They're saying, be on the lookout for something strange.

1:09:50 Speaker 4: Right, And they caught They caught it with a net,

1:09:51 Speaker 4: which makes me laugh, Like that's just throwing a freaking

1:09:54 Speaker 4: net on an alien.

1:09:55 Speaker 2: It's like, hey, yeah, and that was the one that

1:09:58 Speaker 2: happened separate. So I think the creature, the being that

1:10:03 Speaker 2: Marco SCHERIZI caught, I think is the same one that

1:10:07 Speaker 2: the girls saw. Yeah, yesh thing because when they do

1:10:12 Speaker 2: the when they do the the full view of the

1:10:15 Speaker 2: like the area, it's he's in that same area. But

1:10:19 Speaker 2: the fire department earlier that morning had caught the one

1:10:24 Speaker 2: that ends up.

1:10:27 Speaker 4: You know.

1:10:28 Speaker 3: In the box in the box.

1:10:30 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, so I don't know what happens, but that

1:10:34 Speaker 2: one doesn't make it out alive. It doesn't sound like

1:10:38 Speaker 2: and then the one Marco that's a that's something again

1:10:41 Speaker 2: that I I wanted to try to clear up, but

1:10:43 Speaker 2: I didn't really I don't think it got cleared up

1:10:46 Speaker 2: because I want to know that was there? Two?

1:10:49 Speaker 3: Was it?

1:10:49 Speaker 2: Three? What do they think?

1:10:51 Speaker 7: Like?

1:10:52 Speaker 2: Did one of them get away? Because again there was

1:10:56 Speaker 2: just again there's other witnesses said that they're a crack.

1:11:00 Speaker 2: Was above Virginia a couple of days later doing a

1:11:04 Speaker 2: grid search. Did one of them get out?

1:11:09 Speaker 5: Like?

1:11:11 Speaker 2: What are the ins and outs?

1:11:13 Speaker 3: We they were talking about going you know, the team

1:11:18 Speaker 3: was headed headed back to Brazil. Did either of you

1:11:22 Speaker 3: glean any insights into you know? I did not? What

1:11:26 Speaker 3: was they got?

1:11:28 Speaker 4: They got mobs? So like you couldn't really you know

1:11:30 Speaker 4: what I mean?

1:11:33 Speaker 5: You did?

1:11:34 Speaker 3: You did? Yeah?

1:11:35 Speaker 4: I just I don't like I hate crowds.

1:11:39 Speaker 3: The question was, yeah, their insights into you know, they there,

1:11:44 Speaker 3: so they were talking about their going back, the James

1:11:47 Speaker 3: and the entire team, any ideas what they're sort of

1:11:54 Speaker 3: the the next phase of this is going to look

1:11:56 Speaker 3: like did you glean.

1:11:58 Speaker 2: That it's the thirtieth anniversary because remember ninety six, we're

1:12:03 Speaker 2: on two thousand and six. Now, in two thousand and six, Jesus.

1:12:07 Speaker 4: That's as long as I've been with my wife says

1:12:09 Speaker 4: ninety six.

1:12:12 Speaker 2: Yeah, so thirty the thirty year anniversary. So actually on

1:12:16 Speaker 2: the thirtieth they're they're doing something, They're doing a big

1:12:19 Speaker 2: press conference and then Brazilian media, so the Brazilian TV

1:12:26 Speaker 2: is they're doing this like three or four part series

1:12:29 Speaker 2: on Virginia. So I think that along with moment of contact,

1:12:35 Speaker 2: along with just this case kind of being kicked back

1:12:38 Speaker 2: up and freshened people's minds with everything that's going on,

1:12:42 Speaker 2: the town clearly embraces it, right. We see that the

1:12:46 Speaker 2: mayor of the town is like, you know, I think

1:12:50 Speaker 2: it happened like talking to James, showing around, YadA YadA.

1:12:53 Speaker 2: So I think we are in a place that we

1:12:56 Speaker 2: may see someone like Eric Lope's flip the next couple

1:13:00 Speaker 2: of years. I think. I think, I think what James

1:13:04 Speaker 2: is chasing right now is obviously the video. The video

1:13:07 Speaker 2: would be that's the crim Della crim.

1:13:10 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's that's the that's the key to everything.

1:13:14 Speaker 3: Wondered some detail on that too, because I think we

1:13:16 Speaker 3: sort of skirted over this this video and the role

1:13:20 Speaker 3: of the video and what it supposedly shows and everything too. Yeah,

1:13:23 Speaker 3: that's what that's video circulating right, we've seen I've seen

1:13:28 Speaker 3: a couple of them on XO box. The guy video circulating,

1:13:32 Speaker 3: you know, supposedly, So again to clarify the for the audience,

1:13:36 Speaker 3: there has been no scoomy. There has been no video

1:13:42 Speaker 3: release or obtained, and what you're watching that's being circulated

1:13:48 Speaker 3: right now is likely a yes. So yeah, if you

1:13:53 Speaker 3: want to, you know, dive into what that video the

1:13:56 Speaker 3: details of that, that would be good. So we sort

1:13:58 Speaker 3: of know what to expected.

1:14:00 Speaker 2: Multiple multiple people, all right, I'm gonna drop you down.

1:14:04 Speaker 2: Then multiple people including Military X, who was going to

1:14:11 Speaker 2: come forward. So that dude, Military X is at as

1:14:15 Speaker 2: he is at a point right now where he was

1:14:18 Speaker 2: willing to come public in the United States in DC.

1:14:25 Speaker 2: His visa got denied. Why that's another question. But Military

1:14:31 Speaker 2: X when he saw the being that he there was

1:14:37 Speaker 2: another member of the army that was there that had

1:14:42 Speaker 2: this camera like strapped like just a camera around his neck,

1:14:48 Speaker 2: like one of those like video cameras you know that

1:14:52 Speaker 2: that that you can hold. So it was around the

1:14:55 Speaker 2: the service personnel's neck. He wasn't filming anything at the moment,

1:15:00 Speaker 2: but he had known that it. I mean, you didn't

1:15:03 Speaker 2: just bring it for no reason right, this had clearly

1:15:07 Speaker 2: filmed something and it filmed the body was right there.

1:15:10 Speaker 2: He could he never saw the the what was what

1:15:14 Speaker 2: got filmed, but he knows the existence because he saw

1:15:18 Speaker 2: the camera there in the same room with the being,

1:15:22 Speaker 2: someone who's clearly there to document it on film. Now

1:15:26 Speaker 2: where that film went, I don't know. But several of

1:15:30 Speaker 2: the doctors also have either seen or have a video

1:15:38 Speaker 2: that was shot separately, so this is something that was

1:15:42 Speaker 2: shot entirely. I think. I think it's these are two

1:15:45 Speaker 2: different videos. So the doctors got their hands on something

1:15:48 Speaker 2: that they had them filmed themselves of the being and

1:15:54 Speaker 2: then but the military also has something, so they're they're

1:15:57 Speaker 2: really pressing the angle for the doctors and they think

1:16:01 Speaker 2: that's their best shot at obtaining whatever video evidence they can.

1:16:05 Speaker 2: I don't think the Brazilian government or whoever ended up

1:16:08 Speaker 2: with that military X spoken about footage that's locked away

1:16:13 Speaker 2: and some government, you know, deep state facility, I would assume.

1:16:17 Speaker 2: But the doctor's video has been rumored to exist. James

1:16:23 Speaker 2: confirmed and existed, and then he has slowly started to

1:16:28 Speaker 2: make relationships because he says he has a mole at

1:16:30 Speaker 2: the hospital who pointed them in the direction of doctor

1:16:33 Speaker 2: et Aloe and all these guys. So that's his source.

1:16:38 Speaker 2: You know, that's because a lot of people were questioning

1:16:42 Speaker 2: Oho is the same guy that James got on videos

1:16:46 Speaker 2: saying nothing happened? And James was like, yeah, he was lying.

1:16:52 Speaker 2: He was people lie until they're ready, not to right

1:16:56 Speaker 2: in a heart attack and cancer made say I'm not

1:17:00 Speaker 2: going to the grave with this. The other guy that

1:17:03 Speaker 2: that did see the video and knows everything I know,

1:17:06 Speaker 2: he's already dead. So if I die, this story dies

1:17:10 Speaker 2: with me.

1:17:11 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right.

1:17:13 Speaker 3: And yeah, because so my understanding correct me if I

1:17:16 Speaker 3: got it wrong, is that they had they had been

1:17:19 Speaker 3: approaching doctor Ilo through the years. Yes, and he denied, denied, denied, yep,

1:17:25 Speaker 3: as you said, got ill was in the hospital with

1:17:28 Speaker 3: a heart attack, and then the next time he knew

1:17:32 Speaker 3: James was in town, he sought James out. Yes, right,

1:17:37 Speaker 3: is that correct?

1:17:38 Speaker 2: That is correct?

1:17:39 Speaker 3: Because he felt this, you know, he needed to get

1:17:43 Speaker 3: the burden off his chest.

1:17:44 Speaker 2: So to speak, unburdened because he just didn't want to imagine.

1:17:50 Speaker 2: And then so really, really the question becomes, where's that

1:17:55 Speaker 2: fucking video? Right? And how how critical is it? Does

1:18:03 Speaker 2: it become the only next step that could move this

1:18:07 Speaker 2: case forward. I argue no, but some might argue that

1:18:12 Speaker 2: that's the only thing that will seal the deal.

1:18:14 Speaker 4: Wow and Android Android said in my chat that the

1:18:20 Speaker 4: CIA director of ninety ninety six is still alive, John

1:18:23 Speaker 4: and John and Douche eighty seven years old, and it

1:18:26 Speaker 4: was the CIA who denied James Fox the foyer request.

1:18:29 Speaker 4: So I think he's the one to start with personally.

1:18:31 Speaker 2: Yeah, interesting eighty seven. So I mean for you guys,

1:18:40 Speaker 2: like what would like is the video the only thing

1:18:43 Speaker 2: that that you would accepts as evidence to this case?

1:18:49 Speaker 4: Video footage of the footage of the craft. Footage was something.

1:18:53 Speaker 4: I mean, I believe it happens. Believe it happens. I

1:18:56 Speaker 4: don't deny. I don't doubt for a second that it happens.

1:18:59 Speaker 4: There's too many eyewitnesses, there's too many people with the

1:19:02 Speaker 4: same story that's never changed. I loved seeing that the

1:19:05 Speaker 4: little girls are all grown up and seeing what they've become.

1:19:07 Speaker 4: One's a teacher wants this, one's that they're all irrespectable

1:19:10 Speaker 4: and they're like, they're all none of them are fuck ups,

1:19:13 Speaker 4: basically like they're all respectable in their fields. I think

1:19:15 Speaker 4: one was like a nurse, one was a teacher. One

1:19:18 Speaker 4: sister did this, one sister did that, and their story's

1:19:20 Speaker 4: never changed. So I loved it. I mean I thought

1:19:23 Speaker 4: it was great. And like I said, I love the

1:19:25 Speaker 4: soldier's testimony. I thought that was the key. And yeah,

1:19:28 Speaker 4: noticed that he's the one who's who uh who's visa

1:19:31 Speaker 4: got canceled, you know what I mean? The soldier who's gonna.

1:19:33 Speaker 2: Come from one of either way we would have if

1:19:38 Speaker 2: he had gotten his visa and I and I spoke

1:19:40 Speaker 2: to Marco Leal Marco. Marco is a very good friend

1:19:43 Speaker 2: of mine, and he was the one who made sure

1:19:46 Speaker 2: that I was going to be able to talk to everybody. Marco,

1:19:52 Speaker 2: he's his visa got denied. He's the fucking he's the

1:19:57 Speaker 2: he was the boots on the ground for this whole thing,

1:20:01 Speaker 2: and his visa got denied.

1:20:04 Speaker 4: What short short of even even if the video is

1:20:08 Speaker 4: brought out, people would deny it short of an alien

1:20:11 Speaker 4: being dragged out, you know, in ANET, no one's going

1:20:14 Speaker 4: to believe it.

1:20:15 Speaker 3: They're just not.

1:20:15 Speaker 2: We would have just we we would have seen, we

1:20:19 Speaker 2: would have seen and been this this. If you think

1:20:23 Speaker 2: that press conference is something, if military ex had stepped

1:20:27 Speaker 2: up onto that podium for the first time, showing his face,

1:20:30 Speaker 2: his rank, everything, and gave his testimony about seeing the

1:20:35 Speaker 2: being and you know how his whole life that that

1:20:39 Speaker 2: testimony for a moment of contact that he gives right

1:20:43 Speaker 2: at the end when he when he if we if

1:20:45 Speaker 2: we were, if he was able to do that, I

1:20:48 Speaker 2: think that would have been I think that would have

1:20:50 Speaker 2: sent this over. And I think they stopped it from happening.

1:20:55 Speaker 2: So I think they let just any album.

1:20:59 Speaker 3: We don't we don't need convincing, right, we don't. Does

1:21:04 Speaker 3: it push it over? Does the video it's exciting? You know, yeah,

1:21:08 Speaker 3: that would be exciting. While I'd love to see it,

1:21:10 Speaker 3: but you don't need to convince me. I think as

1:21:14 Speaker 3: Veto is saying, right, it fits the patterns. I think

1:21:19 Speaker 3: the people are credible. You know, the the details somewhat

1:21:25 Speaker 3: matter less in the grand scale of what it is

1:21:29 Speaker 3: that we're trying to achieve, and what we're trying to

1:21:32 Speaker 3: achieve collectively is disclosure. Transparency from the government that begins

1:21:38 Speaker 3: to how the normalization within society of the idea that

1:21:46 Speaker 3: there are things in the sky we can't explain, and

1:21:50 Speaker 3: whatever else it is that comes from it. You know,

1:21:55 Speaker 3: whether it's immediate or in the preceding generations or the

1:22:01 Speaker 3: generations going forward. I guess who will learn and experience

1:22:07 Speaker 3: more than any than any of us do. And so

1:22:11 Speaker 3: you know, what does the video what does a video

1:22:14 Speaker 3: coming forward do it's again going to be does it

1:22:20 Speaker 3: does it grab the attention of the mainstream media of

1:22:25 Speaker 3: the science community as there you know, are there materials

1:22:30 Speaker 3: and you know, slides and things like that that people

1:22:33 Speaker 3: are going to be able to examine that that get

1:22:36 Speaker 3: us towards that. So I don't think that any one

1:22:40 Speaker 3: thing that is going to happen is going to necessarily

1:22:44 Speaker 3: blow the lid off of it. And you know, all

1:22:48 Speaker 3: of a sudden, you know, walking down the street to

1:22:50 Speaker 3: McDonald's and there's UFO is going by, like uh, you know,

1:22:54 Speaker 3: it's a normal Monday morning.

1:22:55 Speaker 2: There's no alien UFO highway above route too.

1:22:59 Speaker 3: Yeah, So you know, and and and so that's why

1:23:01 Speaker 3: I think it's we've gotta we've got to be responsible

1:23:05 Speaker 3: and try and manage expectations to a degree with whatever

1:23:11 Speaker 3: it is that comes out. It is another piece of

1:23:14 Speaker 3: the puzzle. It hopefully adds it hopefully garners more attention

1:23:21 Speaker 3: from people that normally don't pay attention to this. That's

1:23:26 Speaker 3: why I'm thankful for nation.

1:23:27 Speaker 9: Yeah conversations, but that's why I think this press conference,

1:23:34 Speaker 9: if it had to if it had been everything that

1:23:39 Speaker 9: they that James said it to be right with with

1:23:42 Speaker 9: military X coming forward for the first time, unveiling who

1:23:46 Speaker 9: he is in DC at that, I think maybe that.

1:23:49 Speaker 2: Would have got on like Fox's radar, right that maybe

1:23:52 Speaker 2: that would have elevated it that much more like an

1:23:55 Speaker 2: actual like even even though the neurosurgeon is a very

1:23:59 Speaker 2: very vital like he his testimony, you could argue is is.

1:24:05 Speaker 4: More I felt it, like like I felt it when

1:24:08 Speaker 4: he was like, I didn't want to die with this

1:24:09 Speaker 4: ship on my conscience.

1:24:10 Speaker 2: But someone from the middle came came up there for

1:24:14 Speaker 2: the first time, showed themselves, you know, Congress Brazilian Congress

1:24:20 Speaker 2: members there, and then you know all the people that

1:24:24 Speaker 2: were there supposed to be because there was like four

1:24:25 Speaker 2: other people too, I think Marco military acts of them

1:24:31 Speaker 2: all together, I think it would have elevated it to

1:24:34 Speaker 2: another level. So this might not be the only time.

1:24:37 Speaker 3: Yeah, And if we look at it from the perspective

1:24:40 Speaker 3: of not just the you know, not just this community

1:24:44 Speaker 3: and not just whatever information because there was a lot

1:24:47 Speaker 3: of talk around. You know, I wonder how many you know,

1:24:50 Speaker 3: counter intel operatives there are in the room and Gena,

1:24:55 Speaker 3: what's that? Geno's in my chat? I'm sorry, So if

1:25:00 Speaker 3: you know, and and that there's counterintelligence operatives in the

1:25:03 Speaker 3: audience and things like that, And I kept saying, good

1:25:07 Speaker 3: because if if they are there to collect information, and

1:25:10 Speaker 3: they're there to collect that information on who was in

1:25:13 Speaker 3: the room, right, look at who is in that room?

1:25:17 Speaker 3: Who was in that room? Right? There were media professionals,

1:25:22 Speaker 3: a lot of PhDs, researchers, you know, military ex military people, government,

1:25:32 Speaker 3: government officials, government representatives. So it's you know, it's not

1:25:36 Speaker 3: your East bumpfuck. Yeah, you know, invention West bubblefuck right, right,

1:25:45 Speaker 3: you know it's not you know, it's it's it's not that.

1:25:50 Speaker 2: And guys like Jeff there, guys.

1:25:52 Speaker 4: Like that room got was there, Yeah, got packed, dude, Les.

1:26:02 Speaker 3: Yeah, Whitney Whitney Striver, Yeah, yeah. Leli kean.

1:26:06 Speaker 2: She for all its errors, for all its errors. The

1:26:10 Speaker 2: twenty seventeen New York Times article that really it was

1:26:14 Speaker 2: the catalyst that brought along the wave of change that

1:26:18 Speaker 2: we're currently seeing in the topic of you athology.

1:26:22 Speaker 3: Right, So if there's if there's an intel operative in

1:26:24 Speaker 3: that room collecting that information, who's there and what conversations

1:26:29 Speaker 3: are happening and what does this mean towards disclosure? And

1:26:33 Speaker 3: they said, listen, this is this is getting this is

1:26:36 Speaker 3: very professionalized. These are serious people with legitimate backgrounds and

1:26:40 Speaker 3: highly credentialed and highly smart. And and you know there's

1:26:45 Speaker 3: x percent of that audience were streamers and independent journalists.

1:26:51 Speaker 3: And you know Martin Willis, our friend, Martin Willis tie

1:26:54 Speaker 3: from a podcast UFO, who's been doing the thirty years.

1:26:58 Speaker 2: Themselfary fucking place.

1:27:00 Speaker 3: I go, I look everywhere. He was right there, he

1:27:04 Speaker 3: was with Science Bob. I had the chance to you know,

1:27:06 Speaker 3: the chance.

1:27:09 Speaker 2: By the way, Bob, you owe me a fucking hour,

1:27:12 Speaker 2: you bastard an hour.

1:27:16 Speaker 3: Wait, somebody tagged science Bob. He's been pulled out. Yeah,

1:27:22 Speaker 3: so I think you know from the who from they

1:27:29 Speaker 3: looking in at that event, if they're trying to gauge

1:27:35 Speaker 3: the movement in the momentum and they try to measure,

1:27:40 Speaker 3: you know, can't can the four hundred c you know,

1:27:45 Speaker 3: auditorium at the National Press Center get filmed filled that

1:27:50 Speaker 3: that question was answered resoundingly.

1:27:52 Speaker 4: Yes, that definitely got filled.

1:27:54 Speaker 3: And that people are coming in from all over, from

1:27:58 Speaker 3: all over the country, and even to to Megan's credit

1:28:03 Speaker 3: and and not you know, to bad mouth you know,

1:28:05 Speaker 3: News Nation. Megan flew in there on her own dime.

1:28:08 Speaker 3: And I was gonna touch on that.

1:28:10 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm grateful for Megan, and and yeah, and and

1:28:14 Speaker 4: and and the fact that they're going on their own money.

1:28:17 Speaker 4: Like she she didn't get paid to go there to

1:28:19 Speaker 4: do that. She it came out of her pocket. He

1:28:21 Speaker 4: bought a brand new iPhone, that little adorable pink holder

1:28:25 Speaker 4: she had with it. Like, dude, it's it's messed up, man.

1:28:27 Speaker 4: For somebody like that. That's moving the needle. Her and

1:28:30 Speaker 4: Ross are moving the needle on this stuff, getting it

1:28:32 Speaker 4: out to normal people. It's making it to where like

1:28:34 Speaker 4: my friends who normally not can make fun of me

1:28:36 Speaker 4: for this ship are are asking me questions about it.

1:28:40 Speaker 4: So like it's it's doing what it's supposed to do.

1:28:43 Speaker 3: And and and you guys know, you know, I had

1:28:46 Speaker 3: well before we knew Megan was going to be there,

1:28:48 Speaker 3: I had was in communication with Ross and I said

1:28:51 Speaker 3: to him, we are going there and are gonna have video.

1:28:53 Speaker 3: I don't know if you have anything going on or whatever,

1:28:56 Speaker 3: but would be happy to share. You know what, what

1:28:58 Speaker 3: these guys are all we'll you'll throw you whatever they

1:29:01 Speaker 3: have if you if you'd like it. And then he

1:29:04 Speaker 3: you know, say, oh well a Megan is going to

1:29:06 Speaker 3: go now.

1:29:06 Speaker 2: So yeah, just just.

1:29:09 Speaker 3: Be just be ready to do the work and support whoever.

1:29:13 Speaker 4: Right yeh yeah, there are there are sixty five watching

1:29:16 Speaker 4: us on X right now. Guys, if you have any questions,

1:29:18 Speaker 4: either hopp into minor tize streams on uh YouTube. If

1:29:22 Speaker 4: you have questions, there's sixty five watching US on.

1:29:24 Speaker 3: X, which is I can see one hundred and thirty

1:29:27 Speaker 3: six in mind.

1:29:28 Speaker 4: They're oh shit, nice nice.

1:29:30 Speaker 3: One thirty six in mine, one eleven and sixty four

1:29:34 Speaker 3: so fun. Yeah, but well just to say, get over

1:29:38 Speaker 3: to YouTube if you want to ask questions.

1:29:40 Speaker 4: If you want to ask questions, yeah, yeah, that's I'm

1:29:41 Speaker 4: not saying I don't for them.

1:29:44 Speaker 2: I do it for me. No, I'm just kidding. I

1:29:46 Speaker 2: love everybody who supports.

1:29:49 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm and a shout out hold on real

1:29:51 Speaker 3: quick well, a shout out to Hannibal. Hannibal UFO channel

1:29:54 Speaker 3: he's allowing us to stream over his channel too. We

1:29:58 Speaker 3: help each other. So again, another guy, pro former pro

1:30:02 Speaker 3: wrestler or pro wrestler's got his wrestling channel is UFO channel,

1:30:07 Speaker 3: and I should I should link him up.

1:30:10 Speaker 4: My boy Chase.

1:30:11 Speaker 3: He does all the wrestling.

1:30:12 Speaker 4: He does a buff Bagwalls channel on YouTube and stuff,

1:30:15 Speaker 4: and he works with man.

1:30:17 Speaker 3: Hannibal is awesome. He's he gets you know, he gets

1:30:20 Speaker 3: all the eighties guys that I just you know, I

1:30:21 Speaker 3: grow all my childhood heroes. He's always thought, of course, but.

1:30:28 Speaker 2: I forget where I was going. Are you you beat

1:30:31 Speaker 2: me there?

1:30:32 Speaker 3: My bad?

1:30:33 Speaker 2: No? No, no, no.

1:30:34 Speaker 3: Talking about the sharing of the information, you know, sharing

1:30:36 Speaker 3: of the getting out there, sharing the stuff, that.

1:30:38 Speaker 2: Is though, that was kind of what the that's the

1:30:42 Speaker 2: underlying tone again, it's it's it's one thing to watch,

1:30:47 Speaker 2: you know, and and like there's nothing wrong with like

1:30:51 Speaker 2: if if you're if you live in the middle of

1:30:54 Speaker 2: the country or live in a different country, and you know,

1:30:58 Speaker 2: the online part of the community is really you know,

1:31:01 Speaker 2: that's really all you engage with. That's not a problem.

1:31:04 Speaker 2: If you know your place, like if you know what

1:31:07 Speaker 2: you're delivering, what you're giving back, and if you found

1:31:12 Speaker 2: your purpose. I think that's like, you know, to each

1:31:15 Speaker 2: their own to all the better. But getting out there

1:31:19 Speaker 2: and being part of the change that you want to

1:31:21 Speaker 2: see in the community is it's got to be more

1:31:25 Speaker 2: of a priority for people across the board. Across the board,

1:31:29 Speaker 2: it's not just one side, it's not just the other.

1:31:32 Speaker 2: Get out there, whether it's making videos or interviewing people

1:31:37 Speaker 2: or just chasing down cases literal case work. We need

1:31:40 Speaker 2: more casework. Honestly, I think that's my personal opinion. But

1:31:46 Speaker 2: and we you know, I think just a more united front.

1:31:52 Speaker 2: And one thing I can say about the room that

1:31:54 Speaker 2: day is it felt united.

1:31:58 Speaker 3: Yeah.

1:31:58 Speaker 2: We were all there as at you know, when the

1:32:01 Speaker 2: standing ovations were happening.

1:32:03 Speaker 3: Oh, that doesn't happen.

1:32:05 Speaker 2: That didn't happen in Congress. I'd never been you know,

1:32:08 Speaker 2: I don't really see that outside of like sporting events.

1:32:11 Speaker 2: So after Carlos gave like that impactful, very like heartfelt

1:32:15 Speaker 2: ending to his people are on their feet, I was

1:32:18 Speaker 2: like I was looking around.

1:32:20 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you could feel it. You could feel

1:32:23 Speaker 4: the emotion from the first speech to Burlston's you could

1:32:25 Speaker 4: feel the emotion.

1:32:26 Speaker 3: It just got it built. It was great. Burlston's speech.

1:32:29 Speaker 4: I was like, fuck yeah, I felt like I did

1:32:31 Speaker 4: when I first heard Dylan Borland put out his call

1:32:33 Speaker 4: to like for help from people like I really do.

1:32:35 Speaker 4: Was like, hell, yeah, brother, this is awesome, you know

1:32:38 Speaker 4: what I mean? Like, I felt like I was part

1:32:40 Speaker 4: of something.

1:32:41 Speaker 2: I've talked to Burloson on many occasions and Jane pointed

1:32:44 Speaker 2: this out.

1:32:45 Speaker 3: He's fired up.

1:32:46 Speaker 2: There was a time where it felt like his enthusiasm

1:32:50 Speaker 2: dipped and he had a renewed, renewed energy, and uh,

1:32:55 Speaker 2: I was definitely witness to that. People like Steve Bassett.

1:33:01 Speaker 2: Uh you know, for everything that everyone says about the guy,

1:33:05 Speaker 2: he's consistent, he's he's there, and he's he's another one

1:33:09 Speaker 2: of these people that works very hard behind the scenes,

1:33:12 Speaker 2: and you know he's he's he's just he's a great

1:33:16 Speaker 2: This networking part of this is really fun and and

1:33:19 Speaker 2: and getting to meet people from all different walks of life.

1:33:22 Speaker 2: And you know, you know, didn't know you before. I

1:33:26 Speaker 2: hate you now. Uh no, no, but this is the

1:33:32 Speaker 2: reason we do it.

1:33:35 Speaker 3: I was joking on the way down. I think it's

1:33:37 Speaker 3: a it's a gabe that pops in some spaces I'm

1:33:41 Speaker 3: on and a couple of times he said, Oh, Jean's

1:33:43 Speaker 3: the class. He is a guy I you know. I

1:33:45 Speaker 3: meant on X and I said to Veto, I said,

1:33:47 Speaker 3: if you ever hear him say that, you can be like, oh,

1:33:49 Speaker 3: you haven't spent eight hours in a car with him, wait.

1:33:53 Speaker 2: To hear him far On the last leg of that

1:33:56 Speaker 2: trip with uh you know and hour were left crossing

1:34:01 Speaker 2: into Massachusetts. Certain types. But one thing I wanted to

1:34:07 Speaker 2: bring up, guys, and you got you guys are like

1:34:11 Speaker 2: my You guys are like my antenna for this obviously,

1:34:16 Speaker 2: I'm I started editing Uh the the longer because I'm

1:34:20 Speaker 2: gonna put out like a really polished version of our trip.

1:34:25 Speaker 2: It just you know, in a nice way, and it's

1:34:27 Speaker 2: gonna include all the interviews I do with you guys,

1:34:30 Speaker 2: with Burlison, with Whitley, all of it's gonna be woven

1:34:33 Speaker 2: into it somehow, and it's gonna be really nice, and

1:34:35 Speaker 2: it's gonna be really fun. You come out, I've done.

1:34:40 Speaker 2: I've been waiting to release this episode with Gene for

1:34:43 Speaker 2: Gina Nat for so long. We had to refilm it.

1:34:46 Speaker 2: I owe it to him to get this goddamn interview out.

1:34:49 Speaker 2: So that's my next thing that I'm like making sure

1:34:51 Speaker 2: it's already scheduled to come out on next Sunday. But

1:34:57 Speaker 2: this video is gonna be really fun. It's been fun

1:34:59 Speaker 2: to look and put together. But I was watching something

1:35:05 Speaker 2: I was I was flipping through the X feed and

1:35:08 Speaker 2: I came across last night. I came across Disclosure Tonight

1:35:13 Speaker 2: and they were talking about, Yeah, what's going on there?

1:35:21 Speaker 2: Is the host?

1:35:23 Speaker 3: Now?

1:35:23 Speaker 2: Like, I just want to know. I try to pay

1:35:26 Speaker 2: attention to everything.

1:35:29 Speaker 3: I'll go first and actually and then I wanted to

1:35:31 Speaker 3: go have a smoke anyway, So on Disclosure Tonight, obviously

1:35:37 Speaker 3: people that follow know Thomas Fessler and Mike Disclosure host it.

1:35:43 Speaker 3: They know they have a ongoing conflict with others in

1:35:49 Speaker 3: the community as well. It goes back and forth understandment.

1:35:54 Speaker 3: Right last night, so there was some some actions that

1:36:00 Speaker 3: I think Vito would want to get into that occurred recently,

1:36:05 Speaker 3: and as a result of those, Thomas announced that Mike

1:36:09 Speaker 3: was on a hiatus from the show hopefully, so listen

1:36:15 Speaker 3: and I had jumped on last night and kind of

1:36:19 Speaker 3: helped out co hosting. My hope in my heart you

1:36:23 Speaker 3: know everybody again, temperature gets lowered and and people dive

1:36:28 Speaker 3: into what it is that there we're all here for.

1:36:33 Speaker 3: That will be my you know, ideology and just wanting

1:36:38 Speaker 3: to see everybody get along ago, But I know reality

1:36:43 Speaker 3: is much different from that as well, so uh veto

1:36:47 Speaker 3: you know, I mean you were a little bit closer

1:36:49 Speaker 3: to that in print. So I don't want to. I

1:36:52 Speaker 3: mean I didn't.

1:36:52 Speaker 4: I didn't want to be. I just I just want

1:36:54 Speaker 4: to show up on the show, support you my new friends,

1:36:57 Speaker 4: talk about our trip, talk about what we had plans,

1:37:00 Speaker 4: like what we were gonna get going and stuff. I

1:37:03 Speaker 4: did not at all expect to be lambassad like that.

1:37:09 Speaker 4: Like it literally felt like it almost felt like I

1:37:12 Speaker 4: was ambush to be honest with you, and like, obviously

1:37:14 Speaker 4: it's not anyone's fault.

1:37:16 Speaker 3: I went on there.

1:37:17 Speaker 4: I went on there thinking that I could just talk

1:37:19 Speaker 4: about our trip, talk about my channel, promote what we

1:37:21 Speaker 4: got going on, promote what I got coming up, et cetera.

1:37:24 Speaker 4: And unfortunately they happened to docs red Panda with my

1:37:27 Speaker 4: stupid face, my big dumb, goofy looking face under there,

1:37:30 Speaker 4: and uh, you know, it's my own fault for not

1:37:32 Speaker 4: paying attention. I have been partying a little bit. I

1:37:34 Speaker 4: just got promoted on Monday, so I was It's Friday.

1:37:37 Speaker 4: I was having enough a nice you know what I mean,

1:37:40 Speaker 4: A nice relax on Friday out there.

1:37:42 Speaker 2: Who doesn't understand how that show is set up. I've

1:37:44 Speaker 2: done it. You are in like a Google Meet. Yeah,

1:37:48 Speaker 2: unless you're monitoring the YouTube, like if you're shopping, the YouTube,

1:37:52 Speaker 2: which usually I do, is on the screen.

1:37:55 Speaker 3: Right, And I was more distracted.

1:37:58 Speaker 4: I was distracted at the way they had it set up.

1:38:00 Speaker 4: Like anybody who knows me, knows my channels, knows I

1:38:02 Speaker 4: like interactivity, and I love how that Google Meet is

1:38:05 Speaker 4: set up.

1:38:06 Speaker 3: I love how it set up.

1:38:07 Speaker 4: With Google Meet, I'm gonna be doing something very similar,

1:38:09 Speaker 4: if not almost identical to what they're doing so that

1:38:11 Speaker 4: way people can come, because my whole thing is about

1:38:13 Speaker 4: having anybody on to give their story blah blah blah,

1:38:15 Speaker 4: and then to have it feel like it's a family

1:38:17 Speaker 4: in a community, so that would add to it. So

1:38:19 Speaker 4: I was mesmerized by the back chat and all the

1:38:21 Speaker 4: cool stuff that was going on, and then the first

1:38:24 Speaker 4: to thirty minutes of being on there, not being on there,

1:38:27 Speaker 4: but being in the back chat, I spent changing my

1:38:29 Speaker 4: name because I didn't want my government name, first and

1:38:31 Speaker 4: last name to be up on this channel. That's you know,

1:38:34 Speaker 4: that is gotta gott a freaking.

1:38:40 Speaker 2: Yeah.

1:38:40 Speaker 4: You were like, yeah, yeah, and I wasn't listen. I'm

1:38:43 Speaker 4: not I'm not here to I'm not here to fight

1:38:48 Speaker 4: anyone's battles. Had I seen what was posted on the screen,

1:38:52 Speaker 4: I would have said, Yo, what what the what the

1:38:55 Speaker 4: fuck's going on? Guys like that's not even remotely cool,

1:38:58 Speaker 4: and I would have called them out on it. Unfortunately,

1:39:00 Speaker 4: I was completely distracted by everything else, had no idea

1:39:04 Speaker 4: why the show ended early, had no idea what the

1:39:06 Speaker 4: doxing was like, I just did not know. You know

1:39:09 Speaker 4: what I'm saying, and I'm not there to fight and

1:39:11 Speaker 4: I'm not shitting on Ride or two. But like these dudes,

1:39:14 Speaker 4: these dudes are going through it, man, and they don't

1:39:15 Speaker 4: deserve to be going through No one deserves to be

1:39:17 Speaker 4: going through that ship. To be worried about your families,

1:39:20 Speaker 4: your sisters, your mothers, your brothers, worried about some random

1:39:23 Speaker 4: ass weirdo showing up and Charlie kirking you. That's why

1:39:25 Speaker 4: I've gotten into the politics side of this stuff, because

1:39:29 Speaker 4: I know how I am. It's it's scary, dude, after

1:39:31 Speaker 4: watching somebody get murdered on TV for their kids, I I,

1:39:35 Speaker 4: I ain't down with that, brother. I want to walk

1:39:37 Speaker 4: my three girls down the aisle. I want to see

1:39:39 Speaker 4: my you know, hold my son's kids, hopefully see my

1:39:43 Speaker 4: son become a fireman like me, following my footsteps. But again,

1:39:46 Speaker 4: I'm not I'm not here for for people fucking around

1:39:48 Speaker 4: Like I don't do the.

1:39:49 Speaker 2: Doxing shit, so no one should get it.

1:39:52 Speaker 3: I don't.

1:39:53 Speaker 4: I don't stand for that aget it.

1:39:55 Speaker 2: It's it's this disassociation, it's it's this weird dichotomy between

1:40:02 Speaker 2: like the ex communities or like the it's wild.

1:40:06 Speaker 3: It's wild, bro.

1:40:08 Speaker 2: Gets taken into the real world. Like even even when

1:40:11 Speaker 2: when you guys were you guys were literally in the

1:40:16 Speaker 2: in the National Press Club and I got caught in

1:40:19 Speaker 2: the in a in an anti protest.

1:40:23 Speaker 4: Yeah, how the hell did you? I'm sorry you didn't

1:40:24 Speaker 4: get carried away. Dog, I don't know what you're doing

1:40:26 Speaker 4: out there.

1:40:26 Speaker 2: All of a sudden, I'm in the middle of a protest.

1:40:30 Speaker 2: Oh ship, like this is real, Like this is real real,

1:40:35 Speaker 2: And I was like, I should probably leave, I should

1:40:37 Speaker 2: probably get out of here.

1:40:40 Speaker 4: It could turn bad, and oh he said this, and

1:40:42 Speaker 4: next thing you know, you're getting.

1:40:43 Speaker 2: Dragged in a moment's notice, you know, and and and

1:40:47 Speaker 2: again I did see. The reason I did bring it

1:40:49 Speaker 2: up is because I wanted you to be able to

1:40:51 Speaker 2: get that off your chest. I know that wasn't fair

1:40:54 Speaker 2: to you because I and I was like, that's weird.

1:40:59 Speaker 4: I yeah, I didn't even see it until way later,

1:41:03 Speaker 4: hours later. I didn't even see it. Like when I

1:41:05 Speaker 4: posted that video of me saying, Yo, this isn't what

1:41:07 Speaker 4: I'm down for. That's when I realized what the picture

1:41:09 Speaker 4: was because Patrick from Vettitt called me out in his discord,

1:41:13 Speaker 4: was like, Yo, how you know I've known you for

1:41:15 Speaker 4: a year. How are you down with this? And then

1:41:17 Speaker 4: I was I didn't understand what he was talking about

1:41:18 Speaker 4: it first, I'm like, I just went on the show.

1:41:20 Speaker 3: What was the problem.

1:41:21 Speaker 4: And he's like, oh, they doc's red Panda, and I'm like,

1:41:23 Speaker 4: I don't know what you're talking about. And then he

1:41:25 Speaker 4: showed the screenshot. But again, I'm still eight drinks in,

1:41:29 Speaker 4: still it's midnight, I'm goofy. So I didn't realize it

1:41:33 Speaker 4: until I saw the actual screenshots. Was like, holy crap

1:41:36 Speaker 4: like that is insane. And then that's when I was like, Yo,

1:41:39 Speaker 4: this is not good. That is not okay. If I

1:41:42 Speaker 4: had seen that and realized what they did, I would

1:41:44 Speaker 4: have said something. Number two, I don't believe for a

1:41:46 Speaker 4: second that Michael disclosure is separated from that show. They

1:41:50 Speaker 4: can do what they want. I call bullshit. You don't

1:41:53 Speaker 4: wait a week, release nothing, and then all of a sudden,

1:41:55 Speaker 4: oh he's no longer on the show. I bet you

1:41:57 Speaker 4: would give it three months, you'll see his goofy ass

1:41:59 Speaker 4: back on there. And again, none of my business. I

1:42:01 Speaker 4: don't care. I just I just don't get down with

1:42:04 Speaker 4: the fuckery. I really don't. I'm here for Juster and UFOs.

1:42:08 Speaker 4: That is it.

1:42:09 Speaker 2: Well, man, did you see and thank you guys for

1:42:12 Speaker 2: clear and that I just wasn't. I was like, I know,

1:42:14 Speaker 2: there was like some confusion there, so I just wanted

1:42:17 Speaker 2: to make make sure that that was kind of all

1:42:19 Speaker 2: taken care of. And but did you see did you

1:42:25 Speaker 2: did you see that the directed entergy that the government

1:42:30 Speaker 2: essentially the military a couple things before you wrap up,

1:42:33 Speaker 2: that they essentially confirmed that directed energy weapons exist.

1:42:37 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, hold on, what's there to confirm? You're

1:42:40 Speaker 4: watching them zap those boats. What do you think zap

1:42:42 Speaker 4: in those boats? The fishing boats. It isn't farting like

1:42:46 Speaker 4: it's not it's not wind. There aren't those aren't missiles.

1:42:49 Speaker 2: That's the reason I bring this up in this context

1:42:54 Speaker 2: is if the military say, you know how we talked

1:42:58 Speaker 2: about the military tracking the craft in our right, what

1:43:02 Speaker 2: if they brought it down.

1:43:06 Speaker 4: It's possible, It's possible they knew about it. They knew

1:43:09 Speaker 4: about it.

1:43:10 Speaker 2: And if if they were using directed energy weapons and

1:43:13 Speaker 2: we just shoot these things out of the sky and respond

1:43:16 Speaker 2: and we call them gifts, you know, right, Diana Poska

1:43:20 Speaker 2: in her book, you know, the guy Tim Taylor had

1:43:23 Speaker 2: referred to some of these crashes as gifts. So are

1:43:28 Speaker 2: we are we uh five finger discounting these craft and

1:43:33 Speaker 2: shooting them down? Or you know what's that?

1:43:37 Speaker 3: That's got me?

1:43:38 Speaker 4: That that's got me really, word, if we are shooting

1:43:40 Speaker 4: down these craft because if somebody shot down our craft

1:43:43 Speaker 4: a I want vengeance and.

1:43:45 Speaker 2: Entered us into an interplanetary war.

1:43:47 Speaker 3: Without yeah, man kind of yeah.

1:43:49 Speaker 4: That That's what scares me is if is if they

1:43:52 Speaker 4: are fucking around and knocking these things out of the sky.

1:43:54 Speaker 2: If we are engaging them kinetically. It shows way more

1:43:58 Speaker 2: about the restraint of them that it does about the

1:44:02 Speaker 2: nature of human beings.

1:44:04 Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I mean, we don't know if they're getting

1:44:05 Speaker 4: even they could be nuking the ship out of things.

1:44:07 Speaker 3: We just don't know about it.

1:44:08 Speaker 2: They could just be abducting and.

1:44:10 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's That's what my fear has been, is

1:44:13 Speaker 4: that all of these missing people is from inductions. There's

1:44:18 Speaker 4: too many people that go missing randomly. You think, no,

1:44:20 Speaker 4: no trace.

1:44:21 Speaker 2: Missing four eleven stuff. Have you seen that?

1:44:27 Speaker 4: No, what's that look into?

1:44:30 Speaker 2: David politis missing for one one. He talks about the

1:44:34 Speaker 2: people that go missing in like state parks and.

1:44:36 Speaker 4: Ship Yeah, just gone, just gone.

1:44:39 Speaker 2: Yeah, he thinks it's connected to all this stuff.

1:44:41 Speaker 4: I I kind of do too, and I'm worried about that. Like,

1:44:45 Speaker 4: you know, I don't want to be a de dumer,

1:44:46 Speaker 4: But there's a reason that they're here. And we're called containers,

1:44:51 Speaker 4: bless you, you.

1:44:52 Speaker 3: Know what I mean.

1:44:54 Speaker 2: That's a that's an interesting point too. You raise the

1:44:56 Speaker 2: container thing. What like again, Gene and I were spitballing

1:45:01 Speaker 2: so much ship, but like we talked about, like, you know, again,

1:45:06 Speaker 2: what if these what what what what would happen, you know,

1:45:09 Speaker 2: if we found out that we were kinetically engaging them

1:45:13 Speaker 2: and our our government has just been willy nilly, you're

1:45:16 Speaker 2: shooting these fucking things down, potentially entering us into not

1:45:20 Speaker 2: just World War three, but world wars like World.

1:45:25 Speaker 3: War worlds, yeah, galaxy wars world And that was something

1:45:31 Speaker 3: I stepped stepped out to have a smoke break in.

1:45:34 Speaker 2: I was listening my own studio.

1:45:36 Speaker 3: Baby, and when you were talking about the UH the

1:45:40 Speaker 3: direct the direct energy weapons and the possibility of that

1:45:44 Speaker 3: being used in UH our genia the you know, in

1:45:48 Speaker 3: the research that I've done, that was one of the

1:45:50 Speaker 3: things I found interesting was that I ran this whole

1:45:54 Speaker 3: assessment on whether there were technologies developed by the government

1:46:00 Speaker 3: that could specifically take down the craft as it is

1:46:05 Speaker 3: detailed in my father in law's body of work, Reverse

1:46:08 Speaker 3: Engineering a UFO. And you know, the what I determined

1:46:14 Speaker 3: was yes, high power microwave weapons, HARP and ionosphere heaters

1:46:20 Speaker 3: and electromatic e m P e MP weapons, you know,

1:46:26 Speaker 3: those were the things that came up. So looking at

1:46:28 Speaker 3: again a body of work from the nineteen eighties government programs,

1:46:33 Speaker 3: if they've how did how did they develop weapons that

1:46:37 Speaker 3: could specifically take down this type of craft. And then

1:46:41 Speaker 3: we look at a case like Virginia where you see

1:46:47 Speaker 3: an apparent unknown cause of what was causing this craft

1:46:53 Speaker 3: to begin to smoke and think that sound like weapons,

1:46:59 Speaker 3: a laser type weapon of some kind.

1:47:02 Speaker 4: Yeah, what what what caused? It's a rip in half?

1:47:04 Speaker 4: Like what caused that?

1:47:06 Speaker 3: Well?

1:47:06 Speaker 2: That right? And then because there were the two farmers

1:47:09 Speaker 2: and the original cut of moment of contact, they might

1:47:11 Speaker 2: even be in the new one I forget, but the

1:47:14 Speaker 2: farmers that also saw it like like it was in

1:47:18 Speaker 2: trouble and it was missing a piece. It looked like

1:47:22 Speaker 2: a school bus and it was like missing a piece

1:47:24 Speaker 2: out of the back and it was smoking. So what

1:47:27 Speaker 2: causes that? Right? Directed? I think are we using? Are

1:47:33 Speaker 2: we potentially? Do we have some sort of global Whether

1:47:36 Speaker 2: it's global, I don't know, but some sort of maybe

1:47:41 Speaker 2: maybe it's even like on this sphere base like over

1:47:47 Speaker 2: North America right where the United States and the ALLY

1:47:52 Speaker 2: or the NATO or anyone, you know what I mean

1:47:57 Speaker 2: that sector. You know, we're just like, hey, if anything

1:48:00 Speaker 2: you know, comes into this space, like it's being directed

1:48:06 Speaker 2: a energy weapon, try to retrieve it. We have these

1:48:09 Speaker 2: rapid response teams to go get it. But maybe they've

1:48:12 Speaker 2: figured out like what craft can we shoot at? What

1:48:15 Speaker 2: what ones will defend themselves? Like in Russia, we know

1:48:18 Speaker 2: that there was that one that did defend itself. So

1:48:21 Speaker 2: if they are kinetically engaging, that's a whole other level

1:48:25 Speaker 2: to the story because we're seeing it when again we start.

1:48:29 Speaker 2: Our perception of this case starts when Carlos sees it

1:48:33 Speaker 2: in trouble. I want to know how did it get

1:48:37 Speaker 2: in that trouble?

1:48:39 Speaker 4: Clearly, clearly something because if there was no storms, no

1:48:43 Speaker 4: electric magnetic anything, no nuclear weapons, no EMPs, something fucked

1:48:48 Speaker 4: that thing up and and and what was That's a

1:48:50 Speaker 4: valid question. Now do you think we had that ability?

1:48:53 Speaker 2: Why were and why were they so comfortable after being retrieved?

1:48:57 Speaker 2: Why did they show that that humbleness?

1:49:01 Speaker 4: That's a good question.

1:49:02 Speaker 3: Yeah, So to you to your your question, veto did

1:49:06 Speaker 3: we have that capacity in ninety six? Well absolutely? What

1:49:08 Speaker 3: you what you have to consider is when when the

1:49:11 Speaker 3: United States comes out and says here's our here's our

1:49:14 Speaker 3: latest most advanced technology that's code word for this is

1:49:19 Speaker 3: twenty five years old, and we're already retiring it.

1:49:22 Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, good cause I'll.

1:49:24 Speaker 3: Talk at this point. You know, I go back to

1:49:28 Speaker 3: my experience in the oil and gas industry in the

1:49:31 Speaker 3: early to mid two thousands, So talking two thousand and

1:49:37 Speaker 3: five to twenty ten period, let's say specifically, I know,

1:49:43 Speaker 3: you know, we were deploying l rads and sonic weapons

1:49:48 Speaker 3: and systems to deter piracy against offshore platforms. We had

1:49:56 Speaker 3: the sonic systems being put on ships to secure them

1:50:01 Speaker 3: from piracy going through the Malacca Straits and other vulnerable checkpoints,

1:50:07 Speaker 3: you know, going down the coast of East Africa. So

1:50:11 Speaker 3: these were things that were already in two thousand and

1:50:14 Speaker 3: five available commercially, let's say, within the critical infrastructure industries.

1:50:22 Speaker 3: So we're talking only ten years from Virginia to that point.

1:50:28 Speaker 3: So you know, yeah, absolutely it was deployed, known about used.

1:50:35 Speaker 3: I remember my Air Force days I got out in

1:50:38 Speaker 3: ninety nine, drones, you know, really starting to make their

1:50:46 Speaker 3: way into the force and looking at the controller and

1:50:50 Speaker 3: it was like a PlayStation controller. I remember, I was like, oh,

1:50:54 Speaker 3: how brilliant your training generation. You know, you're training generations

1:50:58 Speaker 3: of future pilots and they don't even know they're being

1:51:01 Speaker 3: trained as future pilots because everything's literally on a PlayStation control.

1:51:07 Speaker 4: I would love to see what Dylan Borland saw when

1:51:10 Speaker 4: he was operating drones, Like, I just love to have him.

1:51:14 Speaker 3: Just have a little conversation.

1:51:16 Speaker 4: There's a I can imagine that guy scene there.

1:51:22 Speaker 2: Isn't there. There's this technology that I was just listening

1:51:25 Speaker 2: to a show and they were talking about it, and

1:51:27 Speaker 2: I had to double check that this is real, because

1:51:30 Speaker 2: that's how fucking crazy it sounded to me. Apparently the

1:51:34 Speaker 2: military has these lasers. They're like they're lasers, and if

1:51:39 Speaker 2: you come into contact, you can hear like warning, God, yeah,

1:51:45 Speaker 2: like warning, you have entered a fucking facility restricted area.

1:51:51 Speaker 2: It is unlawful to enter this area without permission of

1:51:54 Speaker 2: the Installation Commander Section twenty one Internal Security Act of

1:51:58 Speaker 2: nineteen fifty as it raised that whole spiel. They really

1:52:02 Speaker 2: fucking have.

1:52:03 Speaker 3: That, Yes, and we wasn't sapping you. Yeah, we were

1:52:07 Speaker 3: using something similar in oil and gas, and we had

1:52:12 Speaker 3: a system that would make you feel if if so,

1:52:15 Speaker 3: we knew if you had headphones on, then you were

1:52:18 Speaker 3: already aware that the platform of the ship was outfitted

1:52:22 Speaker 3: with that kind of system. And then we had another

1:52:25 Speaker 3: one that would just make everybody start vomiting. And incapacitate

1:52:31 Speaker 3: him that way.

1:52:32 Speaker 4: Look at the rumors that the Venezuelan troops said. He

1:52:35 Speaker 4: was like, we didn't even know what the fuck hit

1:52:37 Speaker 4: us or where they came from. Caac.

1:52:40 Speaker 3: Everybody the Cuban soldiers came home, went home and yeah, yeah,

1:52:45 Speaker 3: you know, and and you know, and on this again,

1:52:48 Speaker 3: Eric Hecker former. I was going to bring him up.

1:52:51 Speaker 3: You know, I was on his coffee talk this morning,

1:52:56 Speaker 3: and uh, you know what I appreciate about him. He

1:52:58 Speaker 3: is not above the eye, told you so, and he

1:53:01 Speaker 3: is justly saying it loudly and proudly. This is exactly

1:53:07 Speaker 3: what he was talking about. I want to interview him.

1:53:11 Speaker 2: I was going to bring him up because him and I.

1:53:16 Speaker 2: I was gonna bring him up because well, him and

1:53:19 Speaker 2: I kind of got into like an not an argument,

1:53:21 Speaker 2: but just like a weird situation when I was interviewing Burlson.

1:53:27 Speaker 2: But I do feel that he's he's not like I

1:53:31 Speaker 2: don't I don't want to say vindicated today by this confirmation,

1:53:35 Speaker 2: but I think it is one step closer for him

1:53:39 Speaker 2: to be able to say, like, listen, what I'm saying

1:53:42 Speaker 2: is not outlandish, It's not crazy that this neutrino detector

1:53:47 Speaker 2: is not just a passive. It doesn't just collect, it

1:53:51 Speaker 2: can transmit. Right, it's and and it caused this.

1:53:59 Speaker 3: And the stretch right in the in the stretches are

1:54:01 Speaker 3: not so much of a stretch anymore, right as other

1:54:05 Speaker 3: people wanted to to frame them.

1:54:07 Speaker 2: Right, there's people, I know, guys that think that nine

1:54:10 Speaker 2: to eleven was a literal project blue beam, that that

1:54:15 Speaker 2: those planes weren't real, and that they hit the tower.

1:54:19 Speaker 2: I know this is the sour subject, I trust me,

1:54:21 Speaker 2: I know that. But they think that that day they

1:54:26 Speaker 2: they used because doctor Judy Woods whole thing? Right, where

1:54:31 Speaker 2: did where did the rubble go? Because jet fuel? Last

1:54:35 Speaker 2: time I checked, it doesn't justify a building, not one

1:54:39 Speaker 2: that is has a literal core that is pure steel, right,

1:54:45 Speaker 2: and it was reinforced for this very specific reason. How

1:54:49 Speaker 2: does that just justify those towers? That part doesn't add

1:54:54 Speaker 2: up to energy weapons? That does.

1:54:58 Speaker 4: I mean, being being a firefighter and coming from this background,

1:55:00 Speaker 4: I was always on the fence with it, and I

1:55:02 Speaker 4: I just don't know. Do I think that they stood

1:55:04 Speaker 4: they took a year and a half to plant explosives

1:55:06 Speaker 4: in the building. No, do I think that they found

1:55:09 Speaker 4: the way to knock the building down using the planes

1:55:11 Speaker 4: and the jet fuel, et cetera. Aps fucking lotly do

1:55:14 Speaker 4: I think that there was an It was an inside job,

1:55:17 Speaker 4: without a doubt. There's just so many Yeah, that was

1:55:22 Speaker 4: gonna happen, and they didn't, they and they and they

1:55:25 Speaker 4: let it.

1:55:25 Speaker 2: They they they didn't, but they didn't just let it happen.

1:55:29 Speaker 2: They helped to make sure.

1:55:31 Speaker 4: Yeah, that they went down, that that.

1:55:33 Speaker 2: They went down, but they caused the least damage because

1:55:36 Speaker 2: you have to remember what's right under the World Trade Center.

1:55:41 Speaker 4: I really don't know.

1:55:44 Speaker 2: Water, the the thing that damns the water that holds

1:55:51 Speaker 2: that bay back.

1:55:52 Speaker 3: Well, it's all, it's all. I mean, the entire you

1:55:55 Speaker 3: known of Manhattan is reclaimed from the from the sea anyway.

1:56:00 Speaker 3: And you know, and again oil and gas experience. One

1:56:03 Speaker 3: of the top things that you know, we we talked

1:56:07 Speaker 3: about it was a misconception, even when we were dealing

1:56:10 Speaker 3: with the government on the law of their threat info

1:56:12 Speaker 3: and things like that, is this idea that things are

1:56:17 Speaker 3: built to fail catastrophically, and when they fail catastrophically, caused

1:56:22 Speaker 3: the least amount of damage. But we I think we're

1:56:26 Speaker 3: going down another rabbit hole. We're talking about Eric.

1:56:28 Speaker 2: And yeah we did. I did want to show.

1:56:32 Speaker 3: But I think you know veto Yeah, absolutely, you would

1:56:34 Speaker 3: be a brilliant interview for you to have. He's a

1:56:39 Speaker 3: he's a Long Island guy. I tried your language.

1:56:42 Speaker 4: I tried he I guess he looked at me as

1:56:44 Speaker 4: a grifter because I said, I'm trying to be like

1:56:47 Speaker 4: and again I'm I say, I'm trying to be Juliandori.

1:56:49 Speaker 4: But I'm like, I want to do it like, you know,

1:56:51 Speaker 4: similar to what Julian or he's doing. I want to

1:56:53 Speaker 4: et cetera, all that shit, you know what I mean.

1:56:55 Speaker 4: And he didn't like it.

1:56:56 Speaker 2: So we'll talk. We'll have a chat with him.

1:56:59 Speaker 4: I talked to him minute and heart.

1:57:01 Speaker 2: Will we'll have a chat on your behalf.

1:57:02 Speaker 4: And he's and he's a fellow, he's a fellow firefighters.

1:57:05 Speaker 4: So I'm like, of course I want to talk to

1:57:06 Speaker 4: this guy.

1:57:06 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I was gonna fly him here to Boston

1:57:10 Speaker 2: from and he lives in the worst fucking.

1:57:13 Speaker 4: He's Alaska, isn't he He's like fucking Alaska like and.

1:57:16 Speaker 2: He's why that guy anywhere costs a fortune for someone.

1:57:19 Speaker 3: I can imagine.

1:57:20 Speaker 4: He's a cool dude, though I still know ill will

1:57:22 Speaker 4: I talk to him and anybody and heartbeat.

1:57:24 Speaker 3: Yeah, I love I. I get on that coffee talk

1:57:27 Speaker 3: every morning and and you know, I listen a lot

1:57:31 Speaker 3: but also join in great you know group of folks

1:57:35 Speaker 3: that jump in there. Super intelligent folks too. I really

1:57:40 Speaker 3: it's always an intellectual conversation.

1:57:43 Speaker 2: So the video that Veto showed two, so I want

1:57:48 Speaker 2: to very make this very clear. The video that Veto

1:57:53 Speaker 2: walked up and showed to Carlos Desuza said and said,

1:57:57 Speaker 2: what did you say, Vido?

1:57:59 Speaker 4: I just say, can you please take a look at

1:58:01 Speaker 4: this and tell me if this is similar to what

1:58:04 Speaker 4: you saw similar? And he's he literally said, it's identical.

1:58:11 Speaker 2: This is the video.

1:58:28 Speaker 10: Huh read a weird NA video?

1:58:43 Speaker 1: Is it?

1:58:43 Speaker 2: Did it just replay?

1:58:45 Speaker 4: It's a it's a video. It's only like one year,

1:58:48 Speaker 4: thirty seconds long. Oh okay, it's a it's a video

1:58:52 Speaker 4: that that I think. Uh. John Stewart shared from from

1:58:57 Speaker 4: uh from TikTok and I took it in like repurp

1:59:00 Speaker 4: did and put my own music on, et cetera. But

1:59:02 Speaker 4: I've seen this video of I've seen this video a lot,

1:59:04 Speaker 4: so I'm.

1:59:04 Speaker 2: Like here's one. Here's my one thing. I think again,

1:59:11 Speaker 2: could it be could it be that it did look

1:59:15 Speaker 2: very similar to that? And but could it be that

1:59:18 Speaker 2: that's a balloon? I don't know.

1:59:21 Speaker 4: I don't think so, because that is actually stabilized. That

1:59:24 Speaker 4: video is not when you're seeing it, it's moving around

1:59:28 Speaker 4: it like the actual I think the original video of it,

1:59:30 Speaker 4: it's it's moving weird. That's that's actually stabilized. And and

1:59:34 Speaker 4: like Redoney.

1:59:38 Speaker 2: Jimmy Church talks about a sighting like that.

1:59:41 Speaker 3: And it's flying weird.

1:59:43 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was like flip it exactly.

1:59:46 Speaker 4: Yeah, And that's what I'm thinking, Like, yo, I could

1:59:48 Speaker 4: imagine being in that fucking thing. Like it's just it's

1:59:51 Speaker 4: like being on the worst ride ever.

1:59:52 Speaker 2: But but but look at like, look at what a

1:59:55 Speaker 2: solar balloon looks like. Look at if you look into that,

2:00:01 Speaker 2: it's a very interesting dynamic. I think it would be

2:00:04 Speaker 2: give you a is this is that real?

2:00:10 Speaker 4: What's up?

2:00:12 Speaker 3: Oh?

2:00:12 Speaker 2: Ship dude? What is up?

2:00:19 Speaker 5: Ready?

2:00:20 Speaker 4: I hope you don't mind. I may have snuck him

2:00:22 Speaker 4: the link. I hope you don't mind.

2:00:23 Speaker 2: Oh that's more than okay, it's like how.

2:00:26 Speaker 4: Kill you in the back channel?

2:00:28 Speaker 3: But hey, forget about it.

2:00:30 Speaker 2: I would say, look into a solar balloon. But Gina,

2:00:32 Speaker 2: what's going on? Brother?

2:00:34 Speaker 3: Not much ship?

2:00:36 Speaker 4: Who's this guy? Who's this random guy? Who's this random guy?

2:00:41 Speaker 5: It's just me? He thanks for pulling me up here, guys.

2:00:44 Speaker 5: I really enjoyed hanging out with you guys this weekend.

2:00:49 Speaker 5: You know, I got some chance to meet Jane before

2:00:52 Speaker 5: you two guys, so we had a good rapport. Uh.

2:00:54 Speaker 5: He made me feel welcome as soon as I got

2:00:56 Speaker 5: down there in DC. Uh because I didn't know anyone

2:00:59 Speaker 5: going uh you know, James, James wrote me, Really, yeah,

2:01:03 Speaker 5: I didn't well, I didn't speak to anyone. I I

2:01:06 Speaker 5: just wasn't paying enough attention. Right before I left and

2:01:09 Speaker 5: uh again, James wrote me, told me he was doing it.

2:01:12 Speaker 5: I said, look, I'll jump on a plane. I'll be

2:01:14 Speaker 5: there tomorrow. So you know, I was glad to get

2:01:18 Speaker 5: to spend some time with you guys, and you know

2:01:21 Speaker 5: hear your everyone's thoughts on what we had going on there.

2:01:25 Speaker 5: You guys did a great wrap up job here.

2:01:27 Speaker 4: Oh wow, thank you man. I appreciate that so much much,

2:01:30 Speaker 4: especially to come from you, that is wow. Thank you.

2:01:32 Speaker 3: What was your ten cents of it all Gane and

2:01:34 Speaker 3: you hung out another day, right, I'm so jealous.

2:01:38 Speaker 5: I did. I wound up spending some time with James, Me,

2:01:44 Speaker 5: James and Jeff and Taylor from Planetarry HQ went out

2:01:48 Speaker 5: that night. I had some really great conversations. I can

2:01:54 Speaker 5: tell you to stick with the presentation. Uh my. Few

2:02:01 Speaker 5: of my main takeaways were. Number one, Burlison had an

2:02:05 Speaker 5: amazing speech. Really yeah, I really felt like that. That

2:02:09 Speaker 5: was a highlight for me. Secondly, I would say this

2:02:13 Speaker 5: is the most important case in UFO history of biologics.

2:02:23 Speaker 5: Like we keep hearing biologics, you know, when they're talking

2:02:26 Speaker 5: to Congress, Hey, there's biologics, there's biologic but no one

2:02:30 Speaker 5: wants to talk about what are the biologics? Are we

2:02:32 Speaker 5: talking about? You know, mushroom spores? Are we talking about

2:02:35 Speaker 5: things moving around? What are we talking about it? As

2:02:37 Speaker 5: far as biologics, you're now and then if we go

2:02:41 Speaker 5: back in history, we're talking about biologics that were pulled

2:02:44 Speaker 5: out of Roswell. Do we know if that's true. We

2:02:47 Speaker 5: don't know if that's true. It's so far back everyone

2:02:50 Speaker 5: who was there is no longer alive. So I think

2:02:55 Speaker 5: for the most part, you know, because again, what are

2:02:59 Speaker 5: we talking eighty years ago, So if they were twenty

2:03:02 Speaker 5: years old at the time they would have been, they'd

2:03:05 Speaker 5: have to be one hundred nown so, so no one

2:03:07 Speaker 5: knows for sure as an eyewitness to Roswell. But here

2:03:10 Speaker 5: we have a recent case where we have multiple people

2:03:16 Speaker 5: that are testifying to their being an actual entity and

2:03:22 Speaker 5: moving around living being. That's very important because like I have,

2:03:29 Speaker 5: you know, plenty of friends. I don't think I could

2:03:31 Speaker 5: get six of them to lie for me and say

2:03:34 Speaker 5: they are an alien with me, you know, especially for years,

2:03:39 Speaker 5: and these people don't know each other. The girls had

2:03:41 Speaker 5: nothing to do with the doctor. There's no connection, there's

2:03:44 Speaker 5: there's no connection to these people.

2:03:47 Speaker 3: You know.

2:03:48 Speaker 5: The doctors aren't in the military. They have no reason

2:03:50 Speaker 5: you know, to uh say the same thing as military

2:03:54 Speaker 5: x So. So it's very interesting to me that here

2:03:58 Speaker 5: we're talking about the first like live case of biologics

2:04:03 Speaker 5: that's being taken seriously like this technology involved of course.

2:04:07 Speaker 4: From thirty from thirty years ago. It's recent, it's it's

2:04:10 Speaker 4: it's recent.

2:04:11 Speaker 5: Well, the people are alive, we're talking to them, we're

2:04:14 Speaker 5: face to face, looking at their tears, seeing their emotion,

2:04:17 Speaker 5: and you know, they could all be the best actors

2:04:21 Speaker 5: in the world. I don't think. So that's not what

2:04:23 Speaker 5: I get from these people, especially because the only monetization

2:04:28 Speaker 5: that's ever happened on it is James Fox's movie. He's

2:04:31 Speaker 5: not paying them as far as I know. Maybe he is,

2:04:34 Speaker 5: but they're not. They're not becoming uh, they're not having

2:04:38 Speaker 5: their lives changed to where they're millionaires or or if

2:04:41 Speaker 5: something wants along those lines over this. So, so what's

2:04:47 Speaker 5: the incentive for them? I don't see it.

2:04:51 Speaker 4: And actually the doctor said I might here for that

2:04:55 Speaker 4: telling anything to.

2:04:56 Speaker 2: Cap on Gino's point in the In the if anyone

2:04:59 Speaker 2: watched the new cut of Moment of Contact, I forget

2:05:03 Speaker 2: I keep forgetting what the tagline is. I think it's

2:05:05 Speaker 2: a revelations for alien contacts something to that degree. When

2:05:11 Speaker 2: when the doctor brings when Edeloh first brings James's crew in,

2:05:16 Speaker 2: he brings them into the hospital and they just start filming,

2:05:20 Speaker 2: and then they get spotted by the owners of the hospital,

2:05:23 Speaker 2: and Edelo says, I think I just lost my job,

2:05:26 Speaker 2: right like, because then they had to get they had

2:05:29 Speaker 2: to leave, and then they regrouped at a coffee shop.

2:05:31 Speaker 2: So you know, he went, he's a neurosurgeon, not just

2:05:35 Speaker 2: ten years ago, but like as of today, a week ago.

2:05:39 Speaker 2: You know, while he's doing that testimony. So it's right,

2:05:42 Speaker 2: he's putting his why do it at such an age?

2:05:46 Speaker 3: Right?

2:05:47 Speaker 2: Like? It just it doesn't I don't see that angle

2:05:50 Speaker 2: of like, oh, just another grifter telling a story really right?

2:05:56 Speaker 5: So so so again that's that's why these witnesses is

2:06:00 Speaker 5: mattered most to me. Now there's also technology involved. We

2:06:05 Speaker 5: have a downcraft. Where's that downcraft? What happened to it?

2:06:08 Speaker 1: Uh?

2:06:08 Speaker 5: You know where? Who has it? Did it go? Did

2:06:11 Speaker 5: it get flown back to the United States? Obviously? Uh?

2:06:17 Speaker 5: There What we heard from the general was it was

2:06:20 Speaker 5: it a general that that stood up and said, look,

2:06:23 Speaker 5: there's got to be records. There's there's records, it's colonel,

2:06:27 Speaker 5: these flights, these flights, there should be some kind of record. Now,

2:06:31 Speaker 5: I know we're talking about about thirty years ago, so

2:06:34 Speaker 5: you know, computers were just gaining their their momentum at

2:06:38 Speaker 5: that point. But that doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.

2:06:43 Speaker 5: So uh, if it does exist, I'd love that for

2:06:47 Speaker 5: them to find that because that would be a big

2:06:49 Speaker 5: piece of the puzzle. But again, let's put the technology

2:06:51 Speaker 5: aside and only concentrate on the living being. Now we

2:06:56 Speaker 5: also have the the military, a soldier who died of

2:07:01 Speaker 5: the bacterial infection. Now, a lot of people were trying

2:07:06 Speaker 5: to debunk it, saying, well that bacterial infection, uh they

2:07:11 Speaker 5: said was alien. But turns out it's not alien. It

2:07:14 Speaker 5: is found found on the earth. However, the doctors did

2:07:17 Speaker 5: testify that it acted differently than they've ever seen that

2:07:22 Speaker 5: bacteria act on Earth. So uh so did that bacteria

2:07:27 Speaker 5: interact with something that then when the soldier was scratched,

2:07:32 Speaker 5: that's why why it it reacted differently. But there's no

2:07:38 Speaker 5: doubt that that that soldier died. That soldier's sister testified.

2:07:43 Speaker 5: She looked very credible. She lost her brother. She's she's

2:07:47 Speaker 5: she's upset about it. She wants answers. So so again,

2:07:51 Speaker 5: uh that that was probably the most important thing for

2:07:55 Speaker 5: me again to to have a case on biological because

2:08:00 Speaker 5: I can't think of another one. Now, you know we

2:08:03 Speaker 5: got if you go back to Coast to coast, you

2:08:05 Speaker 5: got the guy with the alien in the freezer with

2:08:10 Speaker 5: yeah video things like that. You know, the alien killed

2:08:14 Speaker 5: his dog, he punched him out or he hit him

2:08:16 Speaker 5: with a stick and then.

2:08:18 Speaker 3: Oh my god.

2:08:19 Speaker 4: Yeah, bro, that was a great story though, that's where

2:08:21 Speaker 4: it was crazy.

2:08:22 Speaker 5: It's a great story. But I think that's what we're

2:08:25 Speaker 5: stuck with is a story there's only one person who've

2:08:27 Speaker 5: ever seen seen that alien. So so that again every.

2:08:33 Speaker 3: Time you described it as like is the complete three.

2:08:37 Speaker 5: Sixty Yeah, so every every everything time we're hearing alien stories,

2:08:42 Speaker 5: it's typically one person, like even uh Mike Batista, who

2:08:51 Speaker 5: is uh skywatcher, he said these things landed, he recorded him,

2:08:55 Speaker 5: but it's him. What do you mean? What do you mean? Like, okay,

2:09:00 Speaker 5: thanks to give more people be there? Why why why

2:09:03 Speaker 5: are we only dealing with one person at a time.

2:09:05 Speaker 5: Here we have multiple credible witnesses.

2:09:09 Speaker 2: It's uncorrelated, Unlike, there's nothing that that ties all these

2:09:15 Speaker 2: people together. They're all talking. I think you're absolutely right

2:09:19 Speaker 2: this might be the And whether there is another case

2:09:24 Speaker 2: that isn't known about, well that's the problem. It's not

2:09:28 Speaker 2: known about, right, and we know about this one. It's fresh,

2:09:32 Speaker 2: it's ninety six. Most of the witnesses, if not all

2:09:35 Speaker 2: of them, are a live give or take, or been

2:09:39 Speaker 2: on record at least, and it does it touches on

2:09:42 Speaker 2: all of the thing, crash retrieval, biologics, you know, uh, witness, intimidation,

2:09:48 Speaker 2: cover up. It hits on every major facet of conspiracy.

2:09:52 Speaker 2: So whoever you are, and then just as a human,

2:09:56 Speaker 2: it should it should hit you as we might not

2:09:58 Speaker 2: be alone. Like, if that doesn't grip you, then what

2:10:02 Speaker 2: the fuck will.

2:10:04 Speaker 3: Where do you think it needs to go next? GENA

2:10:06 Speaker 3: based on your read of the situation.

2:10:09 Speaker 5: Well, that's a hard call for me. I'm not sure

2:10:14 Speaker 5: what to do next, you know, like, uh, we're going

2:10:17 Speaker 5: to platform James. We want we want to get his

2:10:21 Speaker 5: the word out as best as possible. We did. We

2:10:25 Speaker 5: did the original Varhenia case with Moment of Contact and

2:10:29 Speaker 5: got three million views. I want to get as many

2:10:32 Speaker 5: eyeballs on it as possible, especially because this is one

2:10:37 Speaker 5: of the cases that I feel I've put a question

2:10:43 Speaker 5: question mark on AJ's mind about whether it's real or fake, because.

2:10:50 Speaker 2: He's pretty conservative when it comes.

2:10:53 Speaker 3: To yeah, he's cases, he believes.

2:10:57 Speaker 5: Right and and he's I think that is still out

2:11:00 Speaker 5: for him on on Varhena. Uh, if you watch our episode, mainly,

2:11:05 Speaker 5: I think there was some debunking of the girl, the

2:11:09 Speaker 5: girls and I don't want to see the bunking, just

2:11:13 Speaker 5: other sides of the story. I think what was said

2:11:16 Speaker 5: that we found out there on the internet was that

2:11:20 Speaker 5: there was a really badly uh uh kind of downtrodden

2:11:28 Speaker 5: homeless guy who in the area, who is always dirty

2:11:33 Speaker 5: things like that, So can you mistake that guy for

2:11:36 Speaker 5: the alien? I guess again that's that's that's just the

2:11:39 Speaker 5: other info that's out there. However, that doesn't explain the doctors.

2:11:44 Speaker 5: That doesn't explain military X also, which we didn't see

2:11:50 Speaker 5: down in DC. But from the original video, there was

2:11:53 Speaker 5: the other family that said, hey, we seen a UFO. Yeah,

2:11:58 Speaker 5: that's Surger Gard, the.

2:11:59 Speaker 2: One that's still won't even go on record. They were

2:12:01 Speaker 2: filming from the back that that's the one that I

2:12:04 Speaker 2: brought up earlier, the one that was doing the grid

2:12:06 Speaker 2: pattern after it was almost like a search and rescue

2:12:10 Speaker 2: and that was a disc shaped craft and the main

2:12:14 Speaker 2: guy like when you hear them and you know, I'm sorry,

2:12:17 Speaker 2: you just fired me up about that part because I

2:12:20 Speaker 2: remembered something that really like set me off with that guy.

2:12:24 Speaker 2: Was he even literally like when you watch that scene

2:12:28 Speaker 2: from the film, right, the families remembering it and they're

2:12:32 Speaker 2: going tit for tat, like they're remembering like a Super

2:12:35 Speaker 2: Bowl Sunday memory, right, They're like finishing each other's sentences,

2:12:39 Speaker 2: they're they're jumping in at when this guy's like when

2:12:42 Speaker 2: they it was so raw and so like just that

2:12:47 Speaker 2: that family dynamic. And then the guy even says like

2:12:50 Speaker 2: James is like, you know, are you sure? Are you sure?

2:12:53 Speaker 2: And he's like, I stood there for five extra minutes

2:12:58 Speaker 2: making sure I was sure of what I was seeing

2:13:01 Speaker 2: because I was. It was like that crazy. So that

2:13:04 Speaker 2: that part, I feel like, does get left out a

2:13:06 Speaker 2: lot of this story.

2:13:08 Speaker 5: Yeah, so it's a complete it's a complete eyewitness account

2:13:12 Speaker 5: for multiple witnesses, So it's important. What could be done

2:13:16 Speaker 5: with it? I don't think much can be done further

2:13:18 Speaker 5: than listening to the testimony. I think one of the

2:13:21 Speaker 5: missing pieces that that breaks everyone's logic is, all right,

2:13:28 Speaker 5: so we have things that we know are in the sky,

2:13:31 Speaker 5: maybe we have things that are coming down down down

2:13:33 Speaker 5: to the ground, especially if it's a crash. So if

2:13:38 Speaker 5: they're coming here, it's more than likely and I would

2:13:42 Speaker 5: say ninety nine point nine percent to against that they

2:13:47 Speaker 5: are just here on vacation. So what is the mission?

2:13:51 Speaker 5: So there has to be some sort of mission as

2:13:55 Speaker 5: to why these things are here and why only these

2:13:59 Speaker 5: few things are here, because even though we're seeing a lot,

2:14:03 Speaker 5: we're not seeing thousands a day. We're not seeing, you know,

2:14:07 Speaker 5: if it is only a certain small amount that get witnessed,

2:14:11 Speaker 5: and that's which ones even get witnessed. So what is

2:14:15 Speaker 5: the goal? What could be the goal? There was no

2:14:19 Speaker 5: scientific technology found or anything else beyond the craft. So

2:14:24 Speaker 5: we have technology in a craft, but then we have

2:14:27 Speaker 5: a being, but we have no tools, we have no

2:14:30 Speaker 5: It was doing this, you know, like if you read

2:14:33 Speaker 5: the original book of Et and I someone can correct

2:14:36 Speaker 5: me if I'm wrong. Et was there as a botanist.

2:14:41 Speaker 5: He was into the plants and and I think that's

2:14:44 Speaker 5: kind of more explained in the book than in.

2:14:47 Speaker 3: The movie the book.

2:14:51 Speaker 5: Look, I'm going off of what people said. I didn't

2:14:53 Speaker 5: read the book either.

2:14:54 Speaker 2: I don't want to tell you I read the.

2:14:58 Speaker 3: Look.

2:14:58 Speaker 5: I had every cliff that I was a kid, and

2:15:01 Speaker 5: basically that's the cliff notes. Is exactly what I do

2:15:04 Speaker 5: for the WI files. I give cliff notes of every story.

2:15:07 Speaker 5: You know I talk about, you know, when I'm going

2:15:10 Speaker 5: into pitch meetings to talk to the entire team about

2:15:13 Speaker 5: what new stories we're gonna do.

2:15:15 Speaker 2: Uh.

2:15:15 Speaker 5: That's what I'm doing. I'm giving the cliff notes of

2:15:17 Speaker 5: the story and saying, hey, all right, I got this

2:15:20 Speaker 5: great one. It's a you know, a moment of contact Marhina.

2:15:24 Speaker 5: We got a downcraft. We got a pilot who tried

2:15:28 Speaker 5: to save people thinking it was a plane crash. Then

2:15:31 Speaker 5: we got military throwing him out of the area when

2:15:34 Speaker 5: he's trying to help help save people. You got an alien,

2:15:37 Speaker 5: you got soldiers, you got you got doctors. So like that.

2:15:45 Speaker 5: So I pitched the whole story to try and get

2:15:49 Speaker 5: the attention of AJ and the team, uh, to go, yeah,

2:15:52 Speaker 5: it sounds like a good one, good one to do. Uh,

2:15:55 Speaker 5: But that's what I'm doing. I'm always just doing cliff notes.

2:15:58 Speaker 5: Once they say yes, then I take every story I

2:16:02 Speaker 5: can find on it and which is mainly usually videos,

2:16:09 Speaker 5: and I put them all together with their transcripts and

2:16:11 Speaker 5: things like that before I hand off the research to AJ. Now,

2:16:14 Speaker 5: every time I do that, I'm only concentrated on the

2:16:18 Speaker 5: story itself, as if the story is one hundred percent true. Now, AJ,

2:16:23 Speaker 5: being a black belt in research, we always used to

2:16:27 Speaker 5: make it make that joke that he has a black

2:16:29 Speaker 5: belt in homework. He could go out and find anything.

2:16:32 Speaker 5: So hopefully the other side, you know, that doesn't make

2:16:37 Speaker 5: it debunking. It just means there's this side of the

2:16:39 Speaker 5: story out there, and there's this side of the story

2:16:41 Speaker 5: out there. The user, you know, the watcher has to

2:16:45 Speaker 5: kind of make that decision.

2:16:46 Speaker 3: Now.

2:16:47 Speaker 5: Again, I feel like he's not one hundred percent one

2:16:50 Speaker 5: over on it, but he does feel like James is

2:16:54 Speaker 5: certainly interesting enough to talk about it, and let's let's,

2:16:59 Speaker 5: you know, uh get the word out there a little

2:17:02 Speaker 5: more so we you know, the more the word gets

2:17:04 Speaker 5: out there on platforms like uh, James has just done

2:17:09 Speaker 5: Jesse Bichels and Chris Ramsey.

2:17:17 Speaker 2: Yeah, well that that's what I have such such and

2:17:21 Speaker 2: I think I've always felt this way about, you know,

2:17:25 Speaker 2: the WI files, the you know, the Jesse michaels Is

2:17:29 Speaker 2: of the world is you guys are getting you guys

2:17:32 Speaker 2: are getting to audiences that like that that.

2:17:35 Speaker 4: That we just everybody, everybody.

2:17:38 Speaker 2: Yeah, we can't touch you guys are getting to the

2:17:40 Speaker 2: audiences that sit down and they have like a little

2:17:44 Speaker 2: family dinner around your guys' videos. Like I've seen it

2:17:48 Speaker 2: in the comments of the Wi Files, like it's like

2:17:50 Speaker 2: a TV show for people. That's the Internet is what

2:17:53 Speaker 2: you know cable used to be for for for families.

2:17:56 Speaker 2: Now they're sitting around watching a Wi Files episode instead

2:17:59 Speaker 2: of like, so you know Law and Order right, it's

2:18:02 Speaker 2: it's but you guys have got the attention of the

2:18:06 Speaker 2: everyday person.

2:18:07 Speaker 4: And your kids.

2:18:08 Speaker 2: When you choose to do a topic or to shed

2:18:12 Speaker 2: light on a case. I don't think you realize how

2:18:16 Speaker 2: how fucking much that influence. I mean, not to stroke

2:18:20 Speaker 2: your ego, but how much that that goes and swaying

2:18:24 Speaker 2: people and to taking action.

2:18:27 Speaker 5: And that was one of the other takeaways for me

2:18:29 Speaker 5: because when Congressman Burlson walk walked out of the room,

2:18:36 Speaker 5: I followed him and I wanted to introduce myself and

2:18:38 Speaker 5: talk to him. And as soon as I introduced myself

2:18:41 Speaker 5: and told him I produced the Wi Files, he pulled

2:18:43 Speaker 5: up his phone and showed me his history of him

2:18:47 Speaker 5: watching the Wi Files. He couldn't be happy, He couldn't

2:18:50 Speaker 5: have been happier. He did a little video for me

2:18:52 Speaker 5: to send off to Heckelfish as well, which was really funny.

2:18:56 Speaker 3: So you said it to yourself, I'm convince your.

2:19:01 Speaker 1: Joe.

2:19:02 Speaker 4: Joe's coming back on, by the way.

2:19:04 Speaker 5: So uh so yeah, so I know we're we're reaching

2:19:10 Speaker 5: the people and also the right people and that matters.

2:19:14 Speaker 5: You know, what we put out there. Uh uh does

2:19:18 Speaker 5: get some some weight uh to the normies? Is uh

2:19:23 Speaker 5: you know what a lot of the people in the

2:19:25 Speaker 5: UFO community call it. Yeah, because we live and breathe

2:19:28 Speaker 5: in this community. So info we we know there's not

2:19:32 Speaker 5: much new. I mean, I'm sure, Uh, there was hardly

2:19:35 Speaker 5: anything new any of you guys learned from watching the testimony.

2:19:40 Speaker 5: It was good to see the testimony, but it was

2:19:43 Speaker 5: not not if you're paying attention to it. It has

2:19:47 Speaker 5: already been out there. It's just uh these people kind

2:19:51 Speaker 5: of swearing to it and make letting you know that

2:19:53 Speaker 5: this is this.

2:19:54 Speaker 3: Is Was there anything when you know, so you had

2:19:59 Speaker 3: some some one on time with James. Is there anything

2:20:01 Speaker 3: you can share? Did he provide any insights because they

2:20:05 Speaker 3: were talking about going back following the following this press

2:20:09 Speaker 3: or that everybody was headed back down to Brazil. Did

2:20:12 Speaker 3: you have any feel for you know, their next steps

2:20:16 Speaker 3: or their follow up or what he might be tackling next.

2:20:20 Speaker 5: Well, I do know that he is going back down

2:20:25 Speaker 5: to Brazil right away. I don't know. I don't know,

2:20:29 Speaker 5: if I'm sorry, I can't say exactly what he's doing

2:20:35 Speaker 5: because he just hasn't told me that that I can.

2:20:39 Speaker 5: But I do know he's on his way back to Brazil.

2:20:41 Speaker 4: No worries. I hope he gets whatever he's after. That'd

2:20:44 Speaker 4: be great.

2:20:45 Speaker 6: I did wonder if I I just what an interesting

2:20:48 Speaker 6: point to that, Not to just jump right in, but yeah,

2:20:51 Speaker 6: I heard him, did meant mention about working on getting

2:20:54 Speaker 6: the body exoomed of the Mauricio I believe was the

2:20:59 Speaker 6: guy's name. Yes, just a cool thought. I think maybe

2:21:02 Speaker 6: that's what he's throwing back down for, to work on something.

2:21:04 Speaker 3: Like that, that'd be great.

2:21:06 Speaker 4: I don't know if the body's there so or if

2:21:07 Speaker 4: it's been gone or changed. That's my that's my theory,

2:21:10 Speaker 4: is that body is not going to be there.

2:21:11 Speaker 2: That would be a wild like revelation.

2:21:14 Speaker 4: That would be like, that would be the gotcha. If

2:21:16 Speaker 4: that body's not there or it's been changed at all,

2:21:18 Speaker 4: that's the gotcha right there.

2:21:20 Speaker 3: So why would you.

2:21:20 Speaker 5: Change the body if there's nobody that's number one? If

2:21:24 Speaker 5: it's not the same body that's number one? And he

2:21:27 Speaker 5: doesn't match. Number three is if they re exhuom and

2:21:31 Speaker 5: and do medical tests and don't find the same bacteria,

2:21:35 Speaker 5: you know, all that that is, uh is interesting.

2:21:38 Speaker 4: I don't think it's well. I mean another another thing

2:21:42 Speaker 4: is you know they could say that he died from

2:21:43 Speaker 4: an infection, but they could have killed him as well,

2:21:46 Speaker 4: just to shut him up, being that he wrestled the

2:21:49 Speaker 4: fucking thing.

2:21:49 Speaker 3: And you know, it.

2:21:53 Speaker 5: Could have been a biological warfare infection that they used

2:21:57 Speaker 5: to uh ye take. And when I'm saying they, I

2:22:01 Speaker 5: don't even know who they is.

2:22:04 Speaker 3: That's just don't worry about who they are. It's just them.

2:22:08 Speaker 4: They quote Saul, they is everybody, Well, I think everybody.

2:22:15 Speaker 2: I think we can we can rule in that the

2:22:19 Speaker 2: air Force was absolutely involved, right and and if there

2:22:24 Speaker 2: is a paper trail, I hope that someone has taken

2:22:28 Speaker 2: it upon themselves too, and if not, like, let us

2:22:32 Speaker 2: know so someone else so we can do this, chase

2:22:36 Speaker 2: down that paper trail and and figure out because we

2:22:40 Speaker 2: we know okay, now, all right, we know the events

2:22:44 Speaker 2: of how it went down in Brazil. We or at

2:22:46 Speaker 2: least we have an idea of of what happened in

2:22:49 Speaker 2: Brazil from the time of the crash until it's taken

2:22:55 Speaker 2: to the US lands in uh Campinas and takes takes

2:23:02 Speaker 2: whatever they take back to the United States. What happens then,

2:23:06 Speaker 2: I think that side of the case, if that could

2:23:09 Speaker 2: be you know, shed light on like someone from the

2:23:13 Speaker 2: US if you're involved in this, like step forward.

2:23:17 Speaker 4: That's the.

2:23:21 Speaker 5: Well we had, and we had Jeff Nuka Telly down

2:23:24 Speaker 5: there as well, who went down to Brazil, and Jeff

2:23:28 Speaker 5: is doing a you know, out of all the testimonial

2:23:34 Speaker 5: that was given the Congress, his might have been the

2:23:36 Speaker 5: most important because he is trying to figure out a

2:23:40 Speaker 5: better way to open the door for whistleblowers. Now, what

2:23:45 Speaker 5: I found out from Jeff was very interesting that everything

2:23:51 Speaker 5: that he testified about seeing the cube and things in

2:23:56 Speaker 5: the air you know, and everyone that was involved in

2:23:59 Speaker 5: in uh you know, on the the Air Force base,

2:24:03 Speaker 5: none of that was classified, so he didn't have to

2:24:05 Speaker 5: go through Bobster or anything to talk about it. So,

2:24:09 Speaker 5: uh So that's that's an interesting point also that uh

2:24:14 Speaker 5: he's talking about things that that are not classified. So

2:24:18 Speaker 5: everyone who was on base at that point should be

2:24:23 Speaker 5: able to talk about it, should be it should should

2:24:25 Speaker 5: be okay too. They're not coming forward, which is an

2:24:29 Speaker 5: interesting you know.

2:24:31 Speaker 2: Yeah, and again I think I think that is over

2:24:38 Speaker 2: the next few years now here, I guess hear me

2:24:41 Speaker 2: out on this with again with popularity of channels like

2:24:46 Speaker 2: the Wi Files, Jesse Michaels and this whole topic range

2:24:50 Speaker 2: like whichever streamer podcaster that you want to point to. Again,

2:24:56 Speaker 2: what brought doctor it Loo forward? What brought uh Carlos

2:25:00 Speaker 2: to Suza forward? You know, was the audience willing to

2:25:04 Speaker 2: listen and not to judge, right, not to call you

2:25:08 Speaker 2: crazy or call you a lunatic or or you know

2:25:13 Speaker 2: it label you that guy in the family, right, the

2:25:17 Speaker 2: one who Uncle Joe just you know, he went a

2:25:19 Speaker 2: little crazy, right, We paid no mind to Uncle Joe.

2:25:22 Speaker 2: That's not that that's not necessarily the culture anymore. It's

2:25:27 Speaker 2: it's more like, oh shit, yeah, because it's being legitimized

2:25:31 Speaker 2: in other places. Now, whether that those other places are flawed,

2:25:35 Speaker 2: because I think the twenty seventeen article is flawed right

2:25:38 Speaker 2: in his information, but it still set the tone and

2:25:42 Speaker 2: built the wave that crashed down afterward. Right, So, you know,

2:25:46 Speaker 2: was Alizondo the MANDA champion This probably not let's let's

2:25:52 Speaker 2: but he but he was. He's what we had and

2:25:56 Speaker 2: did what he did. So you know, it's gotten us

2:25:59 Speaker 2: to this point where I think today we are a

2:26:02 Speaker 2: long way from seven eight years ago. Where are we

2:26:08 Speaker 2: in three years?

2:26:09 Speaker 4: I don't know, Aliens hopefully, like legit, I'm hoping three

2:26:14 Speaker 4: years Aliens, we'll see.

2:26:17 Speaker 3: You know.

2:26:18 Speaker 5: I was having a conversation about this yesterday and I

2:26:22 Speaker 5: really that Aliens, that's great. I'm interested in it. I

2:26:27 Speaker 5: wanted to be there. But my number one takeaway from

2:26:32 Speaker 5: all of what we're doing here is the technology of

2:26:36 Speaker 5: zero point energy changes the world. Aliens doesn't, does it?

2:26:40 Speaker 5: Aliens means everyone's gonna maybe change religion and a few

2:26:45 Speaker 5: things in their life, but you're going going to work

2:26:47 Speaker 5: the next day and everything. It's just you're just kind

2:26:49 Speaker 5: of talking about it. Zero point energy changes everything from

2:26:54 Speaker 5: from the food industry, uh you know, and the world hunger.

2:26:59 Speaker 4: Hic medical.

2:27:03 Speaker 5: The reason desalination isn't more prevalent is the power that

2:27:08 Speaker 5: it takes to do it. So so so really I

2:27:13 Speaker 5: think zero the biggest world disruptor that that's there, and

2:27:19 Speaker 5: we're seeing it. We know that everything that we're seeing

2:27:22 Speaker 5: if it's real, And I think I've had my own

2:27:26 Speaker 5: own personal experiences. If it's real, and any part of

2:27:31 Speaker 5: uap S is not planes and things that we already

2:27:36 Speaker 5: know of, then zero point energy exists and it's being

2:27:39 Speaker 5: hidden from us. Is it being hidden from us by

2:27:41 Speaker 5: aliens or is it being hidden from us by the government.

2:27:45 Speaker 5: But either way, if it's being hidden from us by

2:27:47 Speaker 5: the government, then that's probably the biggest world crime that

2:27:52 Speaker 5: could ever be. So, so hiding aliens from us, I

2:27:56 Speaker 5: could understand. Hiding zero point energy I do not understand.

2:28:00 Speaker 2: That's an interesting Actually, that is very interesting. So you

2:28:04 Speaker 2: think the line in the sand for like so, so

2:28:08 Speaker 2: you think that if they came out and said, guys, hey,

2:28:11 Speaker 2: fuck it, we've been aliens exist. You know, we had

2:28:16 Speaker 2: to keep it a secret for a while, you think

2:28:19 Speaker 2: that that is not a crime against humanity. But say, hey, guys,

2:28:23 Speaker 2: we've had free energy since you know, Tesla was around,

2:28:27 Speaker 2: but we chose to go with the other thing because

2:28:28 Speaker 2: we could put a meter on it. That that would

2:28:31 Speaker 2: be a crime.

2:28:33 Speaker 6: Well look at just just look at the reason the

2:28:36 Speaker 6: government would have to hide it from us. If it

2:28:39 Speaker 6: was just aliens, I think maybe they would. It's not

2:28:42 Speaker 6: that big of a deal. However, if it's going to

2:28:44 Speaker 6: bust up the oil companies and it's going to cause

2:28:48 Speaker 6: zillions of dollars in profits, I think that's all the

2:28:51 Speaker 6: reason the government and the deep state needs to hide

2:28:54 Speaker 6: the truth from us.

2:28:56 Speaker 5: So I'm going to throw out my theory here, and

2:29:01 Speaker 5: I think I am maybe the first person to ever

2:29:05 Speaker 5: say this. Anyone correct me if someone else has said this.

2:29:09 Speaker 5: I think the reason that it's being hidden from us

2:29:11 Speaker 5: is not because of aliens. It is because of zero

2:29:13 Speaker 5: point energy. And really, and I think the reason zero

2:29:16 Speaker 5: point energy is being hidden from us is because it's

2:29:19 Speaker 5: easier than we think to make happen. And since it

2:29:23 Speaker 5: is so easy that it would be like people in

2:29:26 Speaker 5: there once the equation is told and and kind of

2:29:30 Speaker 5: figured out, then it would be people like Crisper in

2:29:33 Speaker 5: their own house doing experiments. I feel like zero point

2:29:36 Speaker 5: energy is easier than we think, and that's why it's

2:29:40 Speaker 5: being hidden from us.

2:29:41 Speaker 4: That probably because a lot of people be you know,

2:29:47 Speaker 4: out of money.

2:29:48 Speaker 6: We don't need major companies to facilitate it for us.

2:29:51 Speaker 6: We can pretty much do it yourself.

2:29:53 Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying now. I know I love that,

2:29:57 Speaker 5: but people like my brother, very smart, could figure it

2:29:59 Speaker 5: out out people. Uh, scientists would be able to figure

2:30:03 Speaker 5: it out, and once that toothpases out of the tube,

2:30:06 Speaker 5: I don't think it could ever go back because people

2:30:08 Speaker 5: would want to help humanity. They would want to get

2:30:11 Speaker 5: fresh water to everyone, to get everyone. Those two things

2:30:16 Speaker 5: change the world besides everything else that changes travel, travel,

2:30:21 Speaker 5: everything changes from it, every single industry if.

2:30:26 Speaker 4: You for the better, for the better too, if you

2:30:28 Speaker 4: think about it. I know, I know it's gonna get

2:30:30 Speaker 4: rid of a lot of industry, but it's going to

2:30:32 Speaker 4: help humanity for the better.

2:30:33 Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, that's not true. I think it

2:30:37 Speaker 2: just changes, it changes it fundamentally because again think now,

2:30:41 Speaker 2: think about this from a from a uh, not every

2:30:45 Speaker 2: human being on this planet right now has the good

2:30:48 Speaker 2: intentions just because the technology could solve world hunger and

2:30:53 Speaker 2: most people would want that. You're also given this technology

2:30:57 Speaker 2: to people that want to eradicate entire species of people.

2:31:02 Speaker 2: So we have to balance that, right. It's like giving

2:31:06 Speaker 2: every single person a time time time fucking machine. Again,

2:31:11 Speaker 2: most people probably want to do good, but you can't

2:31:14 Speaker 2: have everyone up mucking up the time timeline, right, You

2:31:17 Speaker 2: can't have everyone going back and killing Hitler. It does

2:31:20 Speaker 2: it can't work like that. Yeah, it can't.

2:31:23 Speaker 6: Rhodes, all that hurt, I mean it hurts the moneyed

2:31:26 Speaker 6: interests and the people that actually run society.

2:31:30 Speaker 2: This is what how put off in those things. Thanks

2:31:33 Speaker 2: we're talking about, and ultimately deemed that, guys, disclosure is

2:31:38 Speaker 2: not not feasible right now? Could it? Could it be?

2:31:43 Speaker 2: Because yes, this technology unlocks overnight a fundamental paradigm shift

2:31:50 Speaker 2: the moment it happens. It's unwavering. It's not there's no

2:31:57 Speaker 2: yes or no. It's simply everyone has it or everyone

2:32:01 Speaker 2: does it. Period. That's fucking fair, and that's kind of scary.

2:32:07 Speaker 1: Geno.

2:32:08 Speaker 5: Well again, I'm I've never heard anyone, uh say say

2:32:12 Speaker 5: it out loud. You know, it's my My theory is

2:32:16 Speaker 5: is uh based off of some feeling more than than science,

2:32:23 Speaker 5: science or anything else. It's it's again, so uh what

2:32:28 Speaker 5: I'm not saying, I know know this for sure. I'm

2:32:32 Speaker 5: just saying that's what I feel that it's hidden from us,

2:32:35 Speaker 5: not because of aliens. I feel like aliens are are

2:32:38 Speaker 5: just the side product.

2:32:41 Speaker 6: I mean, it makes practical sense too. I think what

2:32:43 Speaker 6: you're saying, Geno, just.

2:32:45 Speaker 2: A side product.

2:32:48 Speaker 3: Hey, real, real quick, it's a worry about too. We're

2:32:51 Speaker 3: a little over two and a half hours here, Ty,

2:32:53 Speaker 3: should I go? I don't know how much down what

2:32:57 Speaker 3: rabbit holes we want to go? But you know there's

2:33:00 Speaker 3: one other there's a documentary film project that you're in.

2:33:04 Speaker 3: You were talking about your own experiences that's coming out,

2:33:07 Speaker 3: So yeah, you want to chat like that and get

2:33:11 Speaker 3: that out there.

2:33:12 Speaker 5: Sure. I had a great time. I'm working with Patrick

2:33:16 Speaker 5: Armstrong from Vetted and uh we did a lot of

2:33:20 Speaker 5: filming for his Iionics project. It's his documentary. I just

2:33:24 Speaker 5: went along for the ride.

2:33:26 Speaker 1: Uh.

2:33:26 Speaker 5: You know, I was happy for the invite and to

2:33:29 Speaker 5: help out. We uh we did some amazing things. We went,

2:33:35 Speaker 5: uh you know to some places like uh Sonoma uh

2:33:40 Speaker 5: uh to see uh Gradual Ranch, which.

2:33:43 Speaker 4: Is with Carl Crusher. Right, you guys are hanging with

2:33:47 Speaker 4: Carl Crusher.

2:33:48 Speaker 5: Uh well, we were hanging with Carl Crusher up in

2:33:50 Speaker 5: Utah Saint George uh so.

2:33:53 Speaker 1: Uh.

2:33:53 Speaker 5: But we we went to both places.

2:33:56 Speaker 4: Uh.

2:33:57 Speaker 5: In with with Carl Crusher. We've seen a lot of

2:34:00 Speaker 5: things in the air. We during the day, we walked

2:34:03 Speaker 5: the cliffs, saw all the Petrick lifts.

2:34:07 Speaker 4: You know.

2:34:08 Speaker 5: Carl said things to us like Hey, at night, this

2:34:11 Speaker 5: whole mountain lights up, and like, strangely, now, I expected

2:34:19 Speaker 5: it to be like a bright, bright light. It wasn't,

2:34:21 Speaker 5: but it definitely lit up. It definitely looked different. You

2:34:24 Speaker 5: could see what he was saying. Now, the things that

2:34:27 Speaker 5: we saw in the air, we saw a lot of

2:34:30 Speaker 5: anomaloa stuff, a lot. You know, I've always been a

2:34:34 Speaker 5: city boy, so New York City, La, now Vegas, you

2:34:37 Speaker 5: don't see anything in the air because it's too bright.

2:34:40 Speaker 5: But if you go to places like this, you could

2:34:43 Speaker 5: see that there's a lot more going on in the

2:34:45 Speaker 5: skies than we know in Uh. When I went to Sonoma,

2:34:50 Speaker 5: we were using military grade night vision, and again there

2:34:56 Speaker 5: must have been five or six things in the air

2:35:01 Speaker 5: at all times moving around. Now does that mean that

2:35:06 Speaker 5: they were satellite weren't satellites, weren't planes. I don't know.

2:35:09 Speaker 5: I can't say. But there were some things that were anomalous.

2:35:12 Speaker 5: Like we were with we were at Ratual Ranch and

2:35:18 Speaker 5: let's see, uh, and I was looking at like there

2:35:23 Speaker 5: was what I probably is a satellite moving across the sky,

2:35:29 Speaker 5: and I said, oh, there's one that's moving. And then

2:35:32 Speaker 5: in the same field.

2:35:33 Speaker 3: Of view.

2:35:36 Speaker 5: And both me and Ron Jens who's part of Moufan.

2:35:39 Speaker 2: He's the Accidental Accidental Truth directors.

2:35:44 Speaker 5: Yes, exactly, and he has another follow up, the Accidental Truth,

2:35:47 Speaker 5: coming out. So me and him, we're both tracking this

2:35:50 Speaker 5: this one moving probably a satellite, but moving in the air,

2:35:54 Speaker 5: but right next to it, a light flashed on and

2:35:59 Speaker 5: flashed off off and that was it. And so uh

2:36:03 Speaker 5: so I sat there baffled, going, I never it was like,

2:36:06 Speaker 5: you know, you're on a stage and and someone turned

2:36:09 Speaker 5: on a spotlight and turned it off and we both

2:36:11 Speaker 5: saw it. So it wasn't like, hey, did you see that?

2:36:13 Speaker 5: Did you see that? We both saw it. Very interesting again, anomalous.

2:36:18 Speaker 5: Now I went right home. I got on chat ept

2:36:21 Speaker 5: I'm talking about satellites, things like that. They did say

2:36:24 Speaker 5: satellites have that ability, they can just do a flash,

2:36:28 Speaker 5: and I said, well, why would they do a flash?

2:36:30 Speaker 5: Doesn't make sense, and and it would be a reflection

2:36:34 Speaker 5: of the sun hitting it as it moves the trajectory.

2:36:39 Speaker 5: That's interesting now is that what.

2:36:40 Speaker 2: I guys were know you guys weren't monitoring for out

2:36:45 Speaker 2: of that in real time.

2:36:47 Speaker 5: Uh no, no, not not at not at that point

2:36:51 Speaker 5: because we were uh we were just with our cell phones,

2:36:58 Speaker 5: uh cell phones and you know, uh pocket you know,

2:37:01 Speaker 5: I had my pocket.

2:37:02 Speaker 6: Three Like I had a.

2:37:05 Speaker 5: Rig set up because because we were hiking, you know,

2:37:08 Speaker 5: we were hiking through through the trails, so of.

2:37:11 Speaker 3: Course it's going to be when nobody's ready for it.

2:37:13 Speaker 3: That's always there.

2:37:14 Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's fair, you know. So so again, and

2:37:20 Speaker 5: we did a whole bunch of stuff besides that, besides

2:37:23 Speaker 5: looking at UAPs things like that, we were we were

2:37:26 Speaker 5: working with psionics, so we were there doing uh we

2:37:31 Speaker 5: Ron had a spoon bending event at his house, and

2:37:37 Speaker 5: I really I went into it very very skeptical, very skeptical.

2:37:42 Speaker 5: And I was and I seen people doing it, and

2:37:44 Speaker 5: there was a lot of us there and we were

2:37:46 Speaker 5: participating as well, and I was doing it, and and

2:37:49 Speaker 5: certainly I was ben I bent the spoon and I

2:37:52 Speaker 5: was like, oh yeah, but was that my strength? You know,

2:37:54 Speaker 5: because any one of us could bend this moon? But

2:37:57 Speaker 5: I was like, was that my strength? Was I manipulating it?

2:38:00 Speaker 5: But then this little woman who was next to me,

2:38:03 Speaker 5: instead of bending the spoon like I was like at

2:38:07 Speaker 5: the neck of the she took the stoop of the

2:38:11 Speaker 5: spoon spoon and she rolled it up.

2:38:14 Speaker 4: I couldn't fucking what I.

2:38:17 Speaker 5: Couldn't do with all my strength. I tried and tried

2:38:20 Speaker 5: to mimic what she was doing. And she was rolling

2:38:23 Speaker 5: the spoon, the scoops of the spoon up, not with

2:38:26 Speaker 5: any schoon. I chose that.

2:38:28 Speaker 2: I tried the drunk part.

2:38:30 Speaker 5: And she's a little tiny.

2:38:32 Speaker 4: Woman with her with her hand or her mind, explain.

2:38:35 Speaker 5: That with her with her hand. With her hand, she

2:38:38 Speaker 5: would and told she she'd hold it in her hand

2:38:43 Speaker 5: and she'd say, now it's ready, and then she would

2:38:45 Speaker 5: do it. So and that's what she was trying to

2:38:48 Speaker 5: have me do as well. She was trying to kind

2:38:51 Speaker 5: of teach us how to do it. And she said,

2:38:54 Speaker 5: just wait till you feel like it's ready. And and

2:38:56 Speaker 5: again I sat there going, I don't know, the like

2:39:00 Speaker 5: any I don't know. And and so I bent this mooon.

2:39:04 Speaker 5: I was just like, yeah, but maybe it was just me,

2:39:07 Speaker 5: But maybe it wasn't because I did try and bend

2:39:09 Speaker 5: it with the same amount of strength and it didn't bend.

2:39:13 Speaker 5: But again, you're holding in your hand, there's some heat

2:39:15 Speaker 5: conductivity things like that. I think you're a geller, you know,

2:39:20 Speaker 5: famously tries to tries to you know, work through some of.

2:39:24 Speaker 3: Some of this.

2:39:26 Speaker 2: But uh, but he'll just like walk up to you

2:39:28 Speaker 2: in a restaurant and like, grab your fucking spoon, just

2:39:32 Speaker 2: bend it and then drop it back on the table

2:39:34 Speaker 2: walk by.

2:39:36 Speaker 3: How only bending it.

2:39:39 Speaker 2: Like a lot of people say that if you if

2:39:42 Speaker 2: you use enough friction, like if you use enough heat

2:39:46 Speaker 2: transfer from your your body to the to the spoon,

2:39:50 Speaker 2: you can essentially get it hot enough where it will

2:39:53 Speaker 2: bend itself. It sounds almost like yeah, and it's almost

2:39:57 Speaker 2: like it's a reaction.

2:39:59 Speaker 5: Sounds plausible, But that is not what I seen. It

2:40:03 Speaker 5: was I felt their hands after they're not hot, like like,

2:40:08 Speaker 5: it's not.

2:40:08 Speaker 3: Like I can't wait to watch this footage.

2:40:12 Speaker 6: I really can't make it in a different way I

2:40:16 Speaker 6: always would have, Like I was always extremely skeptical about

2:40:19 Speaker 6: spoon bending, but now hear you say that, it makes

2:40:23 Speaker 6: you think a little differently, and so.

2:40:29 Speaker 5: Come come come out of it saying I believe in this.

2:40:33 Speaker 5: I believe in that I know I seen UFOs because

2:40:36 Speaker 5: that that wouldn't be truthful. I came out of it

2:40:40 Speaker 5: in the same way I did after spending time with

2:40:43 Speaker 5: Chris bled Cell. I came out of it going, Hey,

2:40:46 Speaker 5: I seen some stuff. I don't know what I seen,

2:40:49 Speaker 5: but I want to see more. I want to I

2:40:51 Speaker 5: need to to investigate it more. I would say, you know,

2:40:56 Speaker 5: it didn't give me anything definitive, and I don't And

2:40:59 Speaker 5: I really think, no matter how much you do, we're

2:41:02 Speaker 5: not going to get definitive answers. It is always going

2:41:05 Speaker 5: to come down to what you feel, you know, is

2:41:09 Speaker 5: the truth more than anything else, because you know, until

2:41:14 Speaker 5: until someone pulls up you know, the fuselage of of

2:41:18 Speaker 5: a down cigar, you know, shaped craft with you know,

2:41:23 Speaker 5: it's always just going to be opinion.

2:41:25 Speaker 2: I'm kind of working on Yeah, we're working on stories

2:41:29 Speaker 2: and testimony until then.

2:41:33 Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's the guy who found the plane in

2:41:36 Speaker 5: Varhena mentioned that he had grab material that when wrinkled up,

2:41:44 Speaker 5: they would go back to its own shape, and it

2:41:46 Speaker 5: was he had very thin Now we've heard that before.

2:41:51 Speaker 5: We heard that exactly in Roswell and then I did

2:41:57 Speaker 5: hear that from another person who had a personal situation

2:42:06 Speaker 5: happened with the UAP in Nevada. He's not public about it.

2:42:12 Speaker 5: I don't know what to think about that his story

2:42:16 Speaker 5: because it does have a lot of twists and turns

2:42:18 Speaker 5: in it. But to this the same thing has happened

2:42:21 Speaker 5: to him where he had material, he was arrested, the

2:42:25 Speaker 5: material no longer exists.

2:42:27 Speaker 2: So this this, and I spoke to Carlos about this

2:42:31 Speaker 2: as well. When I got to speak with him, I

2:42:34 Speaker 2: forgot to mention this part. I said, if obviously, hindsight

2:42:39 Speaker 2: being twenty twenty, you know, would you have scooped a

2:42:43 Speaker 2: piece of this metal and you know got away with it?

2:42:46 Speaker 2: Because you know, it's that moment, It's that decision and

2:42:49 Speaker 2: that moment think and again because I think it is

2:42:52 Speaker 2: a testament to what his mindset was where he didn't

2:42:55 Speaker 2: think it's alien or UFO or any of that. He

2:42:59 Speaker 2: thought Pilot is in trouble. And then his mind is

2:43:04 Speaker 2: he's probably kind of corroborated it in his idea. When

2:43:09 Speaker 2: the military then immediately shows up with guns drawn, his

2:43:13 Speaker 2: mind is probably like, oh shit, this was some secretive,

2:43:16 Speaker 2: fucking test thing. And I got you know, I so,

2:43:20 Speaker 2: but I did ask him. I was like, do you

2:43:21 Speaker 2: wish you pocketed some of that metal? And yes, of

2:43:24 Speaker 2: course he does, but uh, because that would have been

2:43:27 Speaker 2: right it that would have been the smoking piece of

2:43:30 Speaker 2: the smoking gun, if you will but we need one

2:43:34 Speaker 2: of these people to get away. You know again that

2:43:39 Speaker 2: that's a if someone does have a piece of this

2:43:41 Speaker 2: ship some somewhere and they're just keeping it private, I

2:43:47 Speaker 2: don't see what benefit to that.

2:43:49 Speaker 4: Is someone's bookshelf.

2:43:51 Speaker 5: They could They might be trying to save their life

2:43:53 Speaker 5: and more so to live of their family. I mean,

2:43:56 Speaker 5: Bob Lazar famously has has a stable element.

2:44:03 Speaker 6: That's why they raided as to us a few years ago,

2:44:05 Speaker 6: is what it seems like.

2:44:10 Speaker 2: People do say that that that was unrelated and YadA YadA,

2:44:16 Speaker 2: to protect myself and my neutral stance. Allegedly, that is

2:44:21 Speaker 2: why they rated Bob Bazaar's complex. But apparently they were

2:44:26 Speaker 2: just looking for the public. The narrative was they were

2:44:31 Speaker 2: looking for a customers because he sell I mean, he

2:44:35 Speaker 2: sells combustible materials, right, So they were looking into someone

2:44:42 Speaker 2: and they wanted all the files on that person.

2:44:44 Speaker 6: So all the years though they choose that time Corbel's

2:44:49 Speaker 6: they're filming to do it.

2:44:50 Speaker 2: I know, I've seen a UFO, I've seen ship. I

2:44:57 Speaker 2: know it's out there again. I think you know, that's

2:45:02 Speaker 2: that's what I think. You know, as someone who has

2:45:06 Speaker 2: seen something like that, just stood out to some degree

2:45:09 Speaker 2: that just doesn't make sense. And then to have that

2:45:11 Speaker 2: other experience, you you start to form this like I

2:45:15 Speaker 2: don't know this this realm of like okay, this discernment,

2:45:21 Speaker 2: and uh I wish everyone could have that type of

2:45:23 Speaker 2: experience because it gives you a good like guiding north Star.

2:45:28 Speaker 2: But anyway, we are getting to uh a bitter end here.

2:45:32 Speaker 3: It looks like Veto's getting bored in the.

2:45:35 Speaker 11: Kick No, no, I'm I'm sorry tonight, so it's a

2:45:41 Speaker 11: good time to go.

2:45:43 Speaker 3: I had question for Joe, actually, did you did you

2:45:47 Speaker 3: change your hat or your sweatshirt from when you sweatshirt?

2:45:51 Speaker 6: I had to go out for a while, so yeah.

2:45:53 Speaker 5: Good.

2:45:54 Speaker 3: Because Gino came on and yeah.

2:45:59 Speaker 2: Comes back back on.

2:46:03 Speaker 6: Uh I went, we went, We went out to eat.

2:46:06 Speaker 11: I had to get pretty okay, that's a story for

2:46:12 Speaker 11: Gino anyway, though, Joe, I never asked, did you end

2:46:14 Speaker 11: up going out that night or you just want to

2:46:15 Speaker 11: back to the whole room hotel room and crash?

2:46:18 Speaker 7: Uh?

2:46:18 Speaker 6: Yeah, I went for dinner and a few drinks afterwards.

2:46:21 Speaker 3: Dope, right, Geo?

2:46:24 Speaker 2: What's next for the what's next for the five miles?

2:46:27 Speaker 2: For you?

2:46:29 Speaker 5: Well? Uh, well, I got a few amazing guests coming

2:46:33 Speaker 5: out that that we're going to be talking to. One

2:46:35 Speaker 5: of them is right on this stream with us, gonna

2:46:38 Speaker 5: be talking to Jean stick Up. Nice got him coming

2:46:43 Speaker 5: up with an interview with a j recently did a

2:46:47 Speaker 5: few really good ones. Tim Hogan from The Knight's Templar Uh,

2:46:55 Speaker 5: Chris Bledsoe out there as well, and and my Barra

2:47:00 Speaker 5: from Ancient Aliens, who who I like? Uh, you know?

2:47:06 Speaker 5: And and I think we also got James Fox is

2:47:10 Speaker 5: gonna come out, so he's another one. And then as

2:47:14 Speaker 5: far as the show goes, I can't tell you what

2:47:17 Speaker 5: our upcoming episodes are exactly.

2:47:20 Speaker 4: They're gonna be good.

2:47:22 Speaker 2: Uh.

2:47:23 Speaker 5: Is our next one I think is going to be

2:47:28 Speaker 5: a NASA cover up?

2:47:32 Speaker 4: Oh nice, I'll be watching that.

2:47:34 Speaker 6: One for sure.

2:47:35 Speaker 4: The ones that, yeah, hey, are you doing any other

2:47:40 Speaker 4: UFO things like this out this way? Or do you

2:47:42 Speaker 4: know anything that's coming out or are you hitting anything

2:47:44 Speaker 4: out that you know about, because I'd love to, like.

2:47:46 Speaker 5: Well, a couple of things. I always am a huge

2:47:50 Speaker 5: supporter of Contact in the Desert. Everyone should go to

2:47:53 Speaker 5: Contact in the Desert. It is the it is the

2:47:56 Speaker 5: best conference out there for this. I want to go,

2:48:00 Speaker 5: especially if you're in positions like you guys are, where

2:48:04 Speaker 5: you want a network and meet the other people who

2:48:06 Speaker 5: are out there, you'll be able to sit down. I mean, uh,

2:48:09 Speaker 5: you know, everyone out there is just like me. They'll

2:48:11 Speaker 5: talk to you. They they want to you know, work together.

2:48:15 Speaker 5: That's how I got to know Chris Ramsey, you know.

2:48:18 Speaker 5: And I'm so pissed.

2:48:20 Speaker 2: We didn't like And that's that's a testament to contact

2:48:23 Speaker 2: the desert to anyone who doesn't know or wants to

2:48:26 Speaker 2: know him. And I occupied that same space for those

2:48:29 Speaker 2: same four days, him being who he is, and I

2:48:33 Speaker 2: was doing my own thing and never cross paths, never

2:48:36 Speaker 2: cross paths with Gino like that. It's a testament to

2:48:42 Speaker 2: how big the fucking conference is. I was interviewing. I

2:48:46 Speaker 2: must have interviewed sixteen people throughout the four days.

2:48:49 Speaker 3: You know.

2:48:50 Speaker 2: Uh, but and and and had I known Gino was there,

2:48:52 Speaker 2: I would have made a made my way to introduce myself. Well,

2:48:57 Speaker 2: that's how big these fucking these conferences are.

2:49:00 Speaker 3: That's that's all I want to say.

2:49:01 Speaker 4: You know, you're you're a real cool, humble dude bro,

2:49:04 Speaker 4: Like thank you for being how you are, like welcoming

2:49:06 Speaker 4: and friendly, and shit like that was cool, Like you

2:49:08 Speaker 4: don't have to be here right now, this is awesome.

2:49:10 Speaker 3: Thank you. Yeah, I appreciate it.

2:49:12 Speaker 5: I've been getting attacked online lately, telling fucking that we're

2:49:18 Speaker 5: afraid to do uh uh to do m H three

2:49:21 Speaker 5: seventy And I tried to tell why.

2:49:27 Speaker 4: Gee, I wonder who's attacking you with that one trolling?

2:49:32 Speaker 5: And I tried to I tried. I was very cordial

2:49:36 Speaker 5: and I tried to say, look, this is the reason

2:49:38 Speaker 5: we didn't do it. And then uh, then I was

2:49:42 Speaker 5: told that I'm afraid of Joe Rogan and that's why

2:49:46 Speaker 5: I won't do it. I said, I'm afraid of my

2:49:47 Speaker 5: friend for twenty years. I don't think so, because that

2:49:50 Speaker 5: is because here's the thing, even if Joe doesn't believe

2:49:53 Speaker 5: in it, which I've never even had the conversation with

2:49:55 Speaker 5: him that I that I can remember. I'm sure maybe

2:49:57 Speaker 5: we mentioned it way back, but I've never I had

2:50:00 Speaker 5: a conversation about about it with him or Jeremy Corbell.

2:50:03 Speaker 5: He was the other one I was told I was

2:50:04 Speaker 5: afraid of.

2:50:05 Speaker 7: Uh.

2:50:05 Speaker 5: But the WI files, we don't. We talk about a

2:50:09 Speaker 5: story and we talk about what's real and what's not

2:50:12 Speaker 5: so we do both sides of the story. Anyway, what

2:50:14 Speaker 5: do we read afraid of?

2:50:18 Speaker 3: You know?

2:50:18 Speaker 5: And I gave the reasons why, which are which are

2:50:21 Speaker 5: a few. One it's it's still uh, it's just out there, you.

2:50:26 Speaker 2: Know, it's not uh in my opinion corridor.

2:50:32 Speaker 5: So and there's also people whose families have been affected

2:50:36 Speaker 5: obviously a lot of losses and and and like I

2:50:40 Speaker 5: remember when I was like Gung Ho back uh In

2:50:45 Speaker 5: during the fires in Maui, and I was angry about him,

2:50:49 Speaker 5: and I'm talking about, hey, you know, blue roofs and

2:50:53 Speaker 5: energy weapons, and my brother reminded me, Hey, we're not

2:50:55 Speaker 5: going to do that because people had to run into

2:50:59 Speaker 5: the water and they lost family members and and you know,

2:51:04 Speaker 5: so we don't want to diminish what's happened to people.

2:51:07 Speaker 5: So so that's one of the other answers. Now that said, uh,

2:51:11 Speaker 5: that doesn't that didn't preclude it from hey, that we're

2:51:15 Speaker 5: never doing it. But I'll tell you, you know, uh,

2:51:18 Speaker 5: there are some things that you know, just don't grab

2:51:21 Speaker 5: this interest the same as some of our other topics.

2:51:25 Speaker 5: So that's the other thing. To try and call me

2:51:28 Speaker 5: chicken for not doing a topic is Billy it's like,

2:51:32 Speaker 5: you know, it's uh, you're not gonna get your way

2:51:35 Speaker 5: just because you know you want to say terrible things

2:51:40 Speaker 5: about us, you know.

2:51:41 Speaker 4: And yeah came tie camera said, screw you them out.

2:51:51 Speaker 2: Were you at the were you? Were you there when

2:51:56 Speaker 2: fucking Ashton tried to run up on lost cool tart contact.

2:52:02 Speaker 5: I wasn't, but I did. I did have talk like

2:52:07 Speaker 5: it was. It was weird because he did jumping a little.

2:52:10 Speaker 5: And I'm not mad at Ashton. I actually like the guy.

2:52:13 Speaker 3: Uh, I think I think it's funny.

2:52:17 Speaker 5: I respect how much research he does. Uh And I

2:52:21 Speaker 5: told him that and that's why it was weird that

2:52:23 Speaker 5: he was kind of letting this troll go on because

2:52:27 Speaker 5: you know that diminishes what he's doing, so uh, you know,

2:52:32 Speaker 5: and like, look, uh he's right or wrong. The way

2:52:37 Speaker 5: I met Ashton was he was very nice, came up

2:52:40 Speaker 5: and and and introduced himself. We talked. I thought I

2:52:43 Speaker 5: thought me and him we were just fine, and now

2:52:45 Speaker 5: he's now. Then he wanted the after this troll came

2:52:48 Speaker 5: out and he started saying, oh, I guess I'm gonna

2:52:51 Speaker 5: call that the wifiuse. I was like, okay, if you want,

2:52:53 Speaker 5: but you're showing you know your personality trade here, I

2:52:57 Speaker 5: don't know what there's no argument between me and you.

2:53:01 Speaker 5: And not only that, but you haven't even asked how

2:53:04 Speaker 5: I feel about the actual content. You're you're trying to

2:53:09 Speaker 5: say that I'm silenced by someone. I'm not being silenced

2:53:13 Speaker 5: by someone. We're just picking other episodes that are better entertainment,

2:53:17 Speaker 5: that that are interesting.

2:53:20 Speaker 3: You know.

2:53:20 Speaker 5: The other thing is, like I told you guys, how

2:53:22 Speaker 5: I pitch pitch episodes. When we're talking to the team,

2:53:26 Speaker 5: you got to get AJ's attention. He has to go, yeah,

2:53:28 Speaker 5: this is the one I want to do. And I

2:53:30 Speaker 5: gave an example which I think was one of the

2:53:34 Speaker 5: best examples and kind of shows the genius that is uh,

2:53:39 Speaker 5: you know Aj and the WI files and his writing

2:53:41 Speaker 5: is I pitched the Moury Island Incident, which was the

2:53:45 Speaker 5: first one of the UFO stories. It has I walk in,

2:53:49 Speaker 5: I go, look, I got a great one for us.

2:53:50 Speaker 5: I got the Moury Island Incident. It's it's a few

2:53:53 Speaker 5: weeks before Roswell. It's uh, there's there's five. There's a

2:53:57 Speaker 5: bunch of UFOs in the air. There they're you know,

2:54:01 Speaker 5: one of them is wonky and looks like it's about

2:54:03 Speaker 5: to crash. So it starts overloading sludge or some kind

2:54:07 Speaker 5: of slag. Something that hits this guy's boat, breaks the

2:54:11 Speaker 5: arm of his son, kills the dog. He doesn't know

2:54:13 Speaker 5: what to do. There's this other witness that sees it,

2:54:17 Speaker 5: and so he goes back and then the men in

2:54:20 Speaker 5: black show up. Men in black show up and try

2:54:22 Speaker 5: and shut him up. And then to Air Force military

2:54:27 Speaker 5: men show up and they take the slag and they're

2:54:29 Speaker 5: taking it back to Washington, DC. They get on a plane.

2:54:33 Speaker 5: That plane explodes, boom. They're dead. Now, so I explained

2:54:38 Speaker 5: this story. I pitched and I go, and then at

2:54:41 Speaker 5: the end of the story, as I'm pitching, I go.

2:54:43 Speaker 5: And the crazy thing is this one second witness. Somehow

2:54:46 Speaker 5: he shows up at JFK's assassination and that's the end. Now,

2:54:52 Speaker 5: if you watched our story, the Maria Island incident is

2:54:56 Speaker 5: the first chapter, which is like three to five minutes

2:54:59 Speaker 5: of it, and then we go into Chrisman, who possibly

2:55:04 Speaker 5: is involved in the murder of JFK. So again it's

2:55:07 Speaker 5: the genius of aj that really, when he sees something,

2:55:11 Speaker 5: he takes takes a magnifying glass and looks for the

2:55:15 Speaker 5: interesting angle and looks for what we could bring differently

2:55:19 Speaker 5: to a story. So I again, I tried to explain,

2:55:21 Speaker 5: and I said, I don't know what we're going to

2:55:23 Speaker 5: do differently than all the info that's out there, not

2:55:27 Speaker 5: just Ashton, but all the inflo that's out there. What

2:55:29 Speaker 5: are we going to bring to it? We always try

2:55:31 Speaker 5: and bring something new. They didn't like that, do that

2:55:33 Speaker 5: answer either?

2:55:34 Speaker 6: So why can't them?

2:55:36 Speaker 2: Why files has become it's become Think about it like this.

2:55:40 Speaker 2: You guys are eminem right, and every other rapper is

2:55:46 Speaker 2: going to try to attach themselves to you because when

2:55:49 Speaker 2: they attach themselves to you that and you respond, that

2:55:54 Speaker 2: brings them up to you. That your you know what

2:55:56 Speaker 2: I mean.

2:55:56 Speaker 5: So it's like three days later and I stopped responding,

2:55:59 Speaker 5: and he's still right.

2:56:03 Speaker 6: They get they came at me to one and they're

2:56:05 Speaker 6: they're like, they're rabbit, some of them. Even if you're nights, Like,

2:56:08 Speaker 6: even if your night's about it and you just don't

2:56:11 Speaker 6: want to engage, they're rabbit. Twitter.

2:56:14 Speaker 3: Twitter is a wild place, dude.

2:56:16 Speaker 4: Twitter. I don't want to.

2:56:17 Speaker 2: I don't want to. I want to get too far

2:56:18 Speaker 2: into it on either side. But yeah, I interviewed early on.

2:56:23 Speaker 2: He was a very nice person. There are again, people

2:56:28 Speaker 2: with every movement that are those types, you know.

2:56:33 Speaker 5: I want to be very clear. I don't think Ashton's wrong.

2:56:37 Speaker 4: You think he's legit, you think that's legit. I think

2:56:39 Speaker 4: those things are legit. I know they the bunk. I

2:56:42 Speaker 4: think that video is legit.

2:56:43 Speaker 5: I'm not saying he's correct, but I don't think he's

2:56:46 Speaker 5: just wrong. It's I'm not like, I'm open, you know,

2:56:51 Speaker 5: I'm not saying saying, hey, like, that's what it is.

2:56:54 Speaker 5: The other thing I said, uh uh, you got you're

2:56:56 Speaker 5: biased because you want this to be what you say

2:57:01 Speaker 5: it is. And I said, why files doesn't do that?

2:57:04 Speaker 5: I would have to talk about the plane might have

2:57:06 Speaker 5: just crashed. It might have just crashed and that's it,

2:57:09 Speaker 5: and it.

2:57:10 Speaker 2: More Yeah, that it's most likely that that is the

2:57:13 Speaker 2: Actually the speaking of that, they actually just reopened the

2:57:17 Speaker 2: fucking investigation, the search. They just reopened it. The I think,

2:57:22 Speaker 2: what is it? The panemania? No, maybe I'm wrong.

2:57:25 Speaker 4: They're not gonna find shit though, I don't think.

2:57:27 Speaker 2: Hey, who knows, you know, it could be it could

2:57:29 Speaker 2: but it could be again, it could be interesting to

2:57:31 Speaker 2: see where it goes if they do present some sort

2:57:34 Speaker 2: of like finding and you then you start asking why

2:57:37 Speaker 2: why the timing? Why? Now you know, because families that

2:57:42 Speaker 2: are grieving. And my problem with this whole thing is,

2:57:46 Speaker 2: like what Gina said at the start, is there are

2:57:48 Speaker 2: people who lost real husbands, real wives on that plane

2:57:53 Speaker 2: and and you know, to give them even this much

2:57:56 Speaker 2: hope that they're they're loved, one might be alive. Like

2:58:00 Speaker 2: teleport is some other dimension. I mean, it's you're you're

2:58:04 Speaker 2: you're treading on really and really weird.

2:58:08 Speaker 4: The woo, it's the that's what you're treading on. He's

2:58:10 Speaker 4: treading on the woom.

2:58:11 Speaker 2: Yeah. And if I'll tell you what if that plane

2:58:14 Speaker 2: got to get teleported, where they where they went? I

2:58:18 Speaker 2: think it was happy, a happy ending.

2:58:20 Speaker 4: I mean either me either do That's that's what scares

2:58:23 Speaker 4: me is where where did they go? If that was

2:58:24 Speaker 4: if the footage we saw was legit, where did they go?

2:58:27 Speaker 4: And as far as Ashton goes, I I think he's funny.

2:58:30 Speaker 4: He was mad, cool and respectful to me. He was

2:58:32 Speaker 4: on my gaming side. He was like, I don't have

2:58:35 Speaker 4: an issue with him at all, So I could see

2:58:37 Speaker 4: what people don.

2:58:40 Speaker 5: My issue was with his troll, you know, not not

2:58:43 Speaker 5: with Ashton again.

2:58:45 Speaker 4: So it wasn't it wasn't him, It was somebody else.

2:58:48 Speaker 3: You know.

2:58:48 Speaker 5: He jumped in and tried and and he did jump in.

2:58:51 Speaker 5: But again I don't hold it against him. I think

2:58:54 Speaker 5: he might have been feeling attacked about it, but I

2:58:56 Speaker 5: wasn't attacking him. Again, I was just trying to explain, Hey,

2:59:00 Speaker 5: this is what our process is. And they didn't like it.

2:59:02 Speaker 5: They again were trying to say that we've been talked

2:59:05 Speaker 5: to or something. You have this specifically, no one's talking

2:59:10 Speaker 5: to me. Hey, where you no spooks, you're talking to me.

2:59:14 Speaker 2: You become if you're not with it, you become the

2:59:20 Speaker 2: Oh they're the deep state. They're the ones who are like,

2:59:23 Speaker 2: if you're not with it, you're you're you're the deep state,

2:59:26 Speaker 2: and you're you've been bought and you're paid for and

2:59:29 Speaker 2: you're uh uh this or that. But yeah, on.

2:59:32 Speaker 6: Twitter, there's no there's no nuance at all in Twitter.

2:59:36 Speaker 6: It's either you're all for something or you're against it.

2:59:39 Speaker 6: There's there's no one between.

2:59:40 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's actually one of the main problems now with

2:59:43 Speaker 2: that being said, Uh, you're gonna wrap up, gentlemen, It's

2:59:46 Speaker 2: been such a pleasure. You know, you're you have an

2:59:49 Speaker 2: open door here when you want. Trust me. I have

2:59:54 Speaker 2: such respect for for what you guys do, and uh,

2:59:57 Speaker 2: you know, keep keep doing it, dude. You're bringing people

3:00:01 Speaker 2: uh to the subject that otherwise they would not be

3:00:05 Speaker 2: plain and simple. So uh mat respect brother.

3:00:08 Speaker 3: And.

3:00:10 Speaker 5: Is great meeting every one of you guys. I appreciate

3:00:13 Speaker 5: a down there. Yeah.

3:00:16 Speaker 6: I've been a fan of the Wi Files since the beginning,

3:00:19 Speaker 6: so just to even be talking to you is really cool.

3:00:22 Speaker 6: To see what a nice guy you are is it

3:00:26 Speaker 6: says a lot.

3:00:27 Speaker 4: About you down Okay. Can't say enough nice things. Such

3:00:31 Speaker 4: a such a sweetheart.

3:00:32 Speaker 2: So we gotta yeah, we gotta what we're gonna do

3:00:34 Speaker 2: is we gotta plan something. You know, Contact is in June,

3:00:37 Speaker 2: first week of June, so we gotta cont we gotta

3:00:41 Speaker 2: put something together before then. I'd be really nice to

3:00:43 Speaker 2: see everybody. Maybe we could find out some common ground

3:00:46 Speaker 2: like event that's happening and we'll talk about that. Gene,

3:00:50 Speaker 2: where can people find you? A gino?

3:00:52 Speaker 5: I'm sorry, let me let me say one more thing

3:00:55 Speaker 5: before I go, and I'll see myself your mind. I

3:00:59 Speaker 5: do think they there are two other events going on

3:01:01 Speaker 5: before contact that I'll be attending. One is in l

3:01:05 Speaker 5: A and I I can't remember the name. I think

3:01:08 Speaker 5: it's Context. And the one in New York.

3:01:14 Speaker 2: Yeah, right, you talk, so get here, Gino. Can you

3:01:21 Speaker 2: repeat that second part?

3:01:23 Speaker 3: Uh?

3:01:24 Speaker 5: Well, there's one in New York City. Might be a

3:01:25 Speaker 5: good place for all of us to jump in. For

3:01:27 Speaker 5: you East Coasters, yeah, that'd be great.

3:01:30 Speaker 2: Yeah, let's let's link up about it. And obviously everyone

3:01:33 Speaker 2: knows where to find Gino. I don't think you have Where's.

3:01:39 Speaker 5: Underscore gena on on most of the socials or if

3:01:44 Speaker 5: hey also, I'm always looking for new stories, so anyone

3:01:48 Speaker 5: feel free to pitch them. Go right onto Twitter and

3:01:52 Speaker 5: Where's Underscore Gino is my my handle. My d ms

3:01:56 Speaker 5: are open on both that and Instagram, or you could

3:01:59 Speaker 5: just go Geno g I n O at the wi

3:02:01 Speaker 5: files dot com. Right to me. I want to know

3:02:03 Speaker 5: what story we haven't covered. Maybe just don't tell me

3:02:07 Speaker 5: about Street seventy. But other than that, thanks guys.

3:02:18 Speaker 2: You know, my god, the fucking belly buster right there.

3:02:24 Speaker 3: Jean, Well, hold on, does Joe want to bow off next?

3:02:28 Speaker 3: Since Gino's gone by you guys?

3:02:37 Speaker 6: All right? You know, thanks, thanks for letting me know.

3:02:40 Speaker 6: Gino was done.

3:02:42 Speaker 3: Of course, dog God, how could I not come on now?

3:02:46 Speaker 9: Yeah, he was always glad to be.

3:02:53 Speaker 6: I don't have three hours sitting here. I'd love to,

3:02:56 Speaker 6: but I just don't have the time.

3:02:59 Speaker 4: His wife's like, away, get your ass off that computer.

3:03:01 Speaker 6: If you ever remember, Gene has met my wife.

3:03:06 Speaker 2: So I gotta I gotta pay the I gotta pay

3:03:08 Speaker 2: the fucking studio bills. I'm obligated. But yeah, Joe, U

3:03:14 Speaker 2: A P Reporting Center. Actually, fun fact, you can report, Uh,

3:03:20 Speaker 2: you have to the U Reporting Center.

3:03:23 Speaker 6: Now you gotta go to you know, I should have

3:03:25 Speaker 6: named it. I screwed up on the name of the

3:03:27 Speaker 6: website a little bit. But the website is ww dot

3:03:31 Speaker 6: www dot thecontact report dot com. There's a just a

3:03:36 Speaker 6: little feature It says, report put in information, all that

3:03:40 Speaker 6: good stuff and and that's how your report.

3:03:44 Speaker 2: And then where can people follow you?

3:03:46 Speaker 6: So on X is our primary Just at U A

3:03:50 Speaker 6: P Reporting c n T or just type in you

3:03:53 Speaker 6: a U a P Reporting Center will come up. Same

3:03:56 Speaker 6: name on YouTube as well. I appreciate for everybody to

3:03:59 Speaker 6: go over and give us a follow.

3:04:02 Speaker 2: Hell yeah, ship Gene. Yeah, books, I have an episode

3:04:08 Speaker 2: coming out with you.

3:04:09 Speaker 3: Yeah, everything's there Engineering infinitybook dot com. I'm starting to

3:04:13 Speaker 3: feel like Jay Leno. I just like I just pop

3:04:16 Speaker 3: on and co host with everybody and make the rounds,

3:04:21 Speaker 3: whether I'm being interviewed myself or just lending a hand

3:04:24 Speaker 3: in a voice and happy to do that. And uh yeah,

3:04:28 Speaker 3: just Infinity disclosed here on X and that's it. Beautiful

3:04:32 Speaker 3: the website beautiful.

3:04:35 Speaker 2: That's all I got veto last, but certainly not least.

3:04:40 Speaker 4: You can follow me on the perfect Storm Gaming on YouTube.

3:04:43 Speaker 4: The perfect Storm Gaming on YouTube is the fastest way

3:04:45 Speaker 4: to find me, and then all of my socials are

3:04:47 Speaker 4: in the link tree. It's the easiest way to do it.

3:04:49 Speaker 4: Instead of or peace Storm Underscore is a peace Form

3:04:52 Speaker 4: Underscore official. I forget how me see my.

3:04:55 Speaker 3: Twitter, but but the easiest way is just is just

3:04:58 Speaker 3: my YouTube is your tag?

3:05:00 Speaker 2: I'd say your mom's favorite YouTube channel.

3:05:04 Speaker 4: Unfortunately it does, and I didn't mean it to say

3:05:05 Speaker 4: it on your show.

3:05:06 Speaker 3: It was when you.

3:05:07 Speaker 4: When you switched it over hilarious when you well, because

3:05:10 Speaker 4: you know what it is. I have like twenty percent

3:05:12 Speaker 4: or more women that follow me, which is crazy to me.

3:05:15 Speaker 4: Everything suck flexing or what a little bit, little flex

3:05:20 Speaker 4: a little bit, you know what I mean.

3:05:21 Speaker 3: So, yeah, no, it was It was funny.

3:05:23 Speaker 4: It was a joke that I was doing my gaming

3:05:24 Speaker 4: buddies because they're like, how the hell do you have

3:05:25 Speaker 4: eighteen or ninety percent women? And I'm like, I'm a

3:05:28 Speaker 4: firefighter and I'm not ugly.

3:05:29 Speaker 2: I'm just chrubby, crazy stistic. Actually that's a good analytic.

3:05:34 Speaker 2: That's a good analytic.

3:05:35 Speaker 4: Yeah.

3:05:35 Speaker 3: No, I checked my shirt like a hawk.

3:05:37 Speaker 2: For everyone else, my DSLR is, Oh, my DSLR is

3:05:42 Speaker 2: back online. I don't know what happened. It just kind

3:05:44 Speaker 2: of shut off. It just fucking shut off there at

3:05:47 Speaker 2: the end. But everyone else you know what it is

3:05:51 Speaker 2: like share, subscribe, you can scan this QRC wherever it

3:05:54 Speaker 2: is QR code and uh it'll bring up the link

3:05:58 Speaker 2: tree and you can support us on every platform. As always,

3:06:02 Speaker 2: it's truly a pleasure to speak with the community. That

3:06:06 Speaker 2: was a real treat having Gino from the Wi Files

3:06:08 Speaker 2: on that, So thank you for that. Veto. That was

3:06:13 Speaker 2: awesome that Like, at first I saw him, I go,

3:06:16 Speaker 2: I don't think I'm fucking reading this right. I was like,

3:06:19 Speaker 2: is that I don't know if I should bring him up.

3:06:22 Speaker 2: I don't know what we do here. That dude is Gino.

3:06:26 Speaker 2: That was one of my highlights from this DC trip

3:06:29 Speaker 2: and everyone else. I got a bunch of stuff coming

3:06:31 Speaker 2: out right now, but we've edited it through, editing it

3:06:35 Speaker 2: out throughout the week. Anyone who is in this winter

3:06:38 Speaker 2: storm region. Be safe over the next couple of days. Uh,

3:06:41 Speaker 2: don't be a lunatic and purchase every loaf of bread.

3:06:45 Speaker 2: Other people need it too. Don't turn the grocery store

3:06:48 Speaker 2: into mad Max. There's no reason we've done this. We

3:06:52 Speaker 2: do it every year. So stay safe, like share, subscribe, rate,

3:06:56 Speaker 2: and review if you're listening in the future, and stay humble,

3:06:58 Speaker 2: stay kind, stay vigilant.

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3:07:08 Speaker 2: Every Natti intatting

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